Tracy D. , Tarah D. v. Dcs, T.D. ( 2021 )


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  •                                      IN THE
    ARIZONA COURT OF APPEALS
    DIVISION ONE
    TRACY D., TARAH D., Appellants,
    v.
    DEPARTMENT OF CHILD SAFETY, T.D., Appellees.
    No. 1 CA-JV 20-0204
    FILED 12-30-2021
    Appeal from the Superior Court in Maricopa County
    Nos. JD 20340
    JS 20198
    The Honorable Jo Lynn Gentry, Judge
    AFFIRMED
    COUNSEL
    The Stavris Law Firm PLLC, Scottsdale
    By Alison Stavris
    Counsel for Appellant, Tracy D.
    Denise L. Carroll Esq., Scottsdale
    Counsel for Appellant, Tarah D.
    Arizona Attorney General’s Office, Tucson
    By Autumn Spritzer
    Counsel for Appellee, Department of Child Safety
    TRACY D., TARAH D. v. DCS, T.D.
    Opinion of the Court
    OPINION
    Judge Michael J. Brown delivered the opinion of the Court, in which
    Presiding Judge Jennifer M. Perkins and Judge David B. Gass joined.
    B R O W N, Judge:
    ¶1           Tracy D. (“Father”) and Tarah D. (“Mother”) appeal the
    juvenile court’s dependency and termination orders concerning their
    daughter, T.D.    Both parents challenge the court’s subject matter
    jurisdiction under the Uniform Child Custody Jurisdiction and
    Enforcement Act (“UCCJEA”), and Mother argues the court denied her due
    process when it conducted the consolidated adjudication hearing by
    telephone. Neither parent challenges the merits of the dependency or
    termination orders. Because the court had default jurisdiction under the
    UCCJEA, and Mother was not denied due process, we affirm.
    BACKGROUND
    ¶2            In 2012, after a contested hearing, the juvenile court
    terminated Mother’s parental rights to two older children (involving a
    different father) based on chronic substance abuse. In March 2019, after
    receiving no contest pleas from each parent, the court terminated Mother
    and Father’s parental rights to two other children, again due to chronic
    substance abuse. Sometime in May that year, and near the end of her
    pregnancy with T.D., Mother traveled to Indiana, where her parents lived.
    Father remained in Arizona.
    ¶3             Mother gave birth to T.D. in early June 2019. She returned to
    Arizona with T.D. about seven weeks after the child was born. After
    receiving a report about T.D.’s welfare, the Department of Child Safety
    (“DCS”) investigated and took the child into temporary custody. DCS then
    petitioned for dependency on August 12, 2019, alleging the parents
    neglected T.D. because of their substance abuse and were unwilling or
    unable to provide effective parental care. DCS also alleged Mother gave
    birth to T.D. in Indiana to avoid DCS involvement.
    ¶4             On September 18, 2019, DCS petitioned to terminate parental
    rights, alleging chronic substance abuse and prior termination due to the
    same cause as to both parents, and neglect as to Mother. See A.R.S. § 8-
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    533(B)(2)–(3), (10). DCS noted both parents’ long history of substance abuse
    and specifically alleged that Mother tested positive for methamphetamine
    during her pregnancy with T.D. as recently as the end of January 2019.
    ¶5            After scheduling delays, the court conducted a consolidated
    dependency/termination hearing on April 24 and 28, 2020. Because of
    health and safety concerns arising from the COVID-19 pandemic, the court
    conducted the hearing by telephone. The court later granted both petitions,
    finding T.D. dependent as to both parents, DCS proved all three statutory
    grounds for termination by clear and convincing evidence, and DCS met its
    burden of showing that termination of parental rights was in the child’s best
    interests by preponderance of the evidence. Each parent timely appealed,
    and we have jurisdiction under A.R.S. § 8-235(A).
    DISCUSSION
    A.     Subject Matter Jurisdiction
    1.     Procedural History
    ¶6            In its termination ruling, the juvenile court found that T.D.
    had “been physically present within Arizona at all relevant times . . . [and]
    Arizona is the ‘home state’ of [T.D.] under the [UCCJEA].” On appeal,
    Father argued for the first time that the juvenile court lacked subject matter
    jurisdiction, contending T.D.’s home state was Indiana, not Arizona.
    Although the juvenile court had summarily concluded Arizona was T.D.’s
    home state, because the parties had not addressed the issue, we stayed the
    appeal and remanded to allow the juvenile court to conduct further
    proceedings to determine its jurisdiction under the UCCJEA.1 See Bruce v.
    State, 
    126 Ariz. 271
    , 272 (1980) (“Jurisdiction cannot be waived and may be
    raised at any stage of the proceedings.”).
    ¶7            On remand, the juvenile court held a UCCJEA conference
    with a circuit court judge from Jay County, Indiana, where Mother had
    given birth. Mother briefly testified, though no other parties were given the
    opportunity to cross-examine or to present additional evidence. The
    juvenile court then stated that it appeared “Indiana would be the home
    state” because Mother intended to reside there with T.D. after birth. When
    1       Consistent with the child’s best interests, this avoidable step shows
    the wisdom in having the parties and the juvenile court address
    jurisdictional issues at the outset of dependency and termination
    proceedings.
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    asked about Indiana’s “inclination in terms of exercising jurisdiction,” the
    Indiana judge explained he was unaware of any dissolution matter or
    Indiana Department of Child Services (“Indiana DCS”) investigation
    involving T.D., but he would defer to the juvenile court’s decision. The
    juvenile court then directed that a copy of T.D.’s file be provided to the
    Indiana judge and canceled a previously scheduled oral argument on
    jurisdiction.
    ¶8            The Indiana judge and an attorney with Indiana DCS
    participated in a follow-up status conference with the juvenile court. The
    attorney stated he did not think Indiana had jurisdiction, as Indiana DCS
    had not received a report about T.D. at birth, and thus Indiana lacked a
    sufficient connection to the child to “open a case.” The Indiana judge said
    he would defer to the juvenile court’s ruling, but noted he could not compel
    Indiana DCS to initiate proceedings for T.D. At the same hearing, T.D.’s
    guardian ad litem (“GAL”) explained he had been unable to attend the
    prior UCCJEA conference and did not receive notice that the oral argument
    on jurisdiction had been vacated. In response, the juvenile court scheduled
    an evidentiary hearing to permit the parties to present evidence and to
    allow the court to make factual findings affecting jurisdiction.
    ¶9            Following the hearing, the juvenile court found that Arizona
    was T.D.’s home state at the time of the “commencement of the dependency
    and termination proceedings,” and Mother and T.D.’s presence in Indiana
    for a period of weeks after the child was born was merely a temporary
    absence from Arizona. After considering Mother’s testimony and other
    evidence, the court reasoned in part that, other than her own assertions,
    there was “no indicia of Mother’s intent to remain in Indiana.” After
    receiving the court’s ruling, we permitted the parties to file supplemental
    briefing addressing the court’s UCCJEA ruling.
    2.     Analysis
    ¶10            We review de novo whether the juvenile court has subject
    matter jurisdiction under the UCCJEA. Gutierrez v. Fox, 
    242 Ariz. 259
    , 264,
    ¶ 17 (App. 2017). But to the extent a court’s jurisdictional decision depends
    on its resolution of disputed facts, we will accept the court’s findings if they
    are supported by reasonable evidence. Holly C. v. Tohono O’odham Nation,
    
    247 Ariz. 495
    , 505, ¶ 26 (App. 2019). We also review de novo the
    interpretation of statutes. Nicaise v. Sundaram, 
    245 Ariz. 566
    , 567, ¶ 6 (2019).
    “We interpret statutory language in view of the entire text, considering the
    context and related statutes on the same subject.” 
    Id. at 568, ¶ 11
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    ¶11              “The jurisdiction and authority of the courts of this state in all
    proceedings and matters affecting juveniles shall be as provided by the
    legislature . . . .” Ariz. Const. art. VI, § 15. As the legislature has mandated,
    jurisdiction over interstate child custody proceedings is governed by the
    UCCJEA. See A.R.S. §§ 25-1002(4)(A), 25-1031(A)(1); Angel B. v. Vanessa J.,
    
    234 Ariz. 69
    , 73, ¶ 14 (App. 2014). Almost all states have adopted the
    UCCJEA, Sha’quia G. v. Dep’t of Child Safety, 
    251 Ariz. 212
    , 214, ¶ 9 (App.
    2021), including Arizona, A.R.S. §§ 25-1001 to -1067, and Indiana, Ind. Code.
    §§ 31-21-1-1 to -7-3.
    ¶12           Mother and Father first argue the juvenile court proceedings
    should have ended after the initial UCCJEA conference when the court
    concluded Indiana was likely the home state. Nothing in the record,
    however, shows the court intended that statement as a final ruling; in fact,
    the court decided to conduct a full evidentiary hearing after the GAL
    pointed out the procedural irregularities of the earlier UCCJEA hearing.
    The court acted within its discretion in conducting additional proceedings
    and then entering a definitive jurisdictional ruling. Thus, we turn to
    UCCJEA’s statutory framework to decide whether the court had subject
    matter jurisdiction to hear the dependency and termination petitions.
    ¶13        Except for temporary emergency jurisdiction, under the
    UCCJEA, an Arizona court
    has jurisdiction to make an initial child                  custody
    determination only if any of the following is true:
    1. This state is the home state of the child on the date of the
    commencement of the proceeding, or was the home state of
    the child within six months before the commencement of the
    proceeding and the child is absent from this state but a parent
    or person acting as a parent continues to live in this state.
    2. A court of another state does not have jurisdiction under
    paragraph 1 or a court of the home state of the child has
    declined to exercise jurisdiction on the ground that this state
    is the more appropriate forum under § 25-1037 or 25-1038 and
    both of the following are true:
    (a) The child and the child’s parents, or the child and at least
    one parent or a person acting as a parent, have a significant
    connection with this state other than mere physical presence.
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    (b) Substantial evidence is available in this state concerning
    the child’s care, protection, training and personal
    relationships.
    3. All courts having jurisdiction under paragraph 1 or 2 have
    declined to exercise jurisdiction on the ground that a court of
    this state is the more appropriate forum to determine the
    custody of the child under § 25-1037 or 25-1038.
    4. A court of any other state would not have jurisdiction under
    the criteria specified in paragraph 1, 2 or 3.
    A.R.S. § 25-1031(A).        This UCCJEA subsection “is the exclusive
    jurisdictional basis for making a child custody determination by a court of
    this state.” A.R.S. § 25-1031(B). We must therefore determine which of the
    statutory grounds for jurisdiction—home state, significant connection,
    more appropriate forum, or jurisdiction by default—apply to the
    circumstances presented here.
    ¶14            We first look to see if either Arizona or Indiana had home
    state jurisdiction under § 25-1031(A)(1). For a child less than six months
    old, the “[h]ome state” is “the state in which the child lived from birth with a
    parent or person acting as a parent, including any period during which that
    person is temporarily absent from that state.” A.R.S. § 25-1002(7)(b)
    (emphasis added). Because T.D. was less than six months old when these
    proceedings began, we look to the circumstances existing when DCS filed
    its dependency and termination petitions to determine home state
    jurisdiction under § 25-1031(A)(1).              See A.R.S. § 25-1002(5)
    (“‘Commencement’ means the filing of the first pleading in a proceeding.”).
    DCS filed the petition for dependency on August 12, 2019, and the petition
    for termination of parental rights on September 18, 2019. See A.R.S. § 25-
    1002(4)(a) (“‘Child custody proceeding’ [m]eans a proceeding, including a
    proceeding for . . . neglect, abuse, dependency, guardianship, paternity, [or]
    termination of parental rights . . . in which legal custody, physical custody
    or visitation with respect to a child is an issue or in which that issue may
    appear.”); Sha’quia G., 251 Ariz. at 217, ¶ 20 (explaining the child custody
    proceeding referenced in § 25-1002(7)(a) “is the motion or petition then
    pending before the court”).
    ¶15           Parents argue the juvenile court lacked subject matter
    jurisdiction because Indiana, and not Arizona, is T.D.’s “home state” under
    the UCCJEA. DCS defends the court’s ruling on the grounds that Mother’s
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    stay in Indiana constituted a temporary absence from Arizona under § 25-
    1002(7)(b).
    ¶16             When T.D. was in Indiana for approximately seven weeks
    after her birth, an Indiana court arguably could have exercised jurisdiction
    in making an initial custody determination if such a request had been made.
    But that issue is not before us. Instead, we initially determine, under the
    first clause of § 25-1031(A)(1), whether any state had home state jurisdiction
    when DCS commenced the dependency and termination proceedings. See
    A.R.S. § 25-1031(A)(1) (referencing the “home state of the child on the date
    of the commencement of the proceeding”); A.R.S. § 25-1002(7)(b) (when a
    child is less than six months old, the court will look to see whether, when
    the proceedings commenced, the child lived “from birth” in the state). On
    both of those dates, T.D. was living in Arizona, in the custody of DCS.
    Because she was no longer living “from birth” in Indiana, Indiana is not the
    home state under the first clause of § 25-1031(A)(1).
    ¶17            Likewise, Indiana is not the home state under the second
    clause. See A.R.S. § 25-1031(A)(1) (A “state has jurisdiction to make an
    initial custody determination” if it was “the home state of the child within
    six months before the commencement of the proceeding and the child is
    absent from this state but a parent or person acting as a parent continues to live in
    this state.”) (Emphasis added.) The second clause necessarily includes
    children who are less than six months old. See Gutierrez, 242 Ariz. at 265,
    ¶ 21. In Gutierrez, the child was born in Arizona and lived here for two
    months. Id. at 266, ¶ 22. The mother then moved to Wisconsin with the
    child, and about two months later Father petitioned to establish custody-
    related matters in Arizona. Id. As Gutierrez explained, because the child
    was born in Arizona, and the father remained in Arizona after the mother’s
    relocation with the child to Wisconsin, Arizona was the home state under
    the UCCJEA. Id. at ¶ 23.
    ¶18           In contrast, when DCS commenced the proceedings in this
    case, Mother was not “living” in Indiana, as confirmed by the juvenile
    court’s finding that she had significant ties to Arizona and offered nothing
    except self-serving testimony to suggest she planned on returning to
    Indiana to live. See Holly C., 247 Ariz. at 505, ¶ 26 (we defer to the court’s
    findings of fact underlying a jurisdictional determination so long as they
    are supported by reasonable evidence). Thus, Indiana could not exercise
    home state jurisdiction under the second clause of § 25-1031(A)(1) because
    Mother did not live there, and Father still lived in Arizona. See Gutierrez,
    242 Ariz. at 262, ¶ 2; see also Ind. Code § 31-21-5-1(a)(1) (“Indiana . . . was
    the home state of the child within six (6) months before the commencement
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    of the proceeding, and the child is absent from Indiana but a parent or
    person acting as a parent continues to live in Indiana.”) (Emphasis added).
    ¶19           Contrary to DCS’s contention, however, Arizona is not T.D.’s
    home state under § 25-1031(A)(1). T.D. did not live in Arizona “from birth”
    because she was born in Indiana. See A.R.S. § 25-1002(7)(b); Meyeres v.
    Meyeres, 
    196 P.3d 604
    , 607, ¶ 5 (Utah Ct. App. 2008) ([“B]ecause the child
    was less than six months old when the proceedings were commenced, the
    only state that could be the child’s home state was the state in which [the
    child] had lived with a parent since birth.”); In re D.T., 
    743 A.2d 1077
    , 1081
    (Vt. 1999) (holding that Vermont was not 10-week-old child’s home state
    because the child did not live in Vermont from birth).
    ¶20            Additionally, Arizona does not have home state jurisdiction
    under the theory that Mother’s stay in Indiana was merely a temporary
    absence from Arizona. The temporary absence provision of § 25-1002(7)(b)
    comes into play only when a parent temporarily leaves the state where the
    child was born and then returns to that state, so the provision has no
    application here. See A.R.S. § 25-1002(7)(b) (defining “[h]ome state,” for
    child less than six months old, as the state where “the child lived from birth
    with a parent,” including any period when the parent is “temporarily
    absent from that state”); In re Tieri, 
    283 S.W.3d 889
    , 894 (Tex. App. 2008)
    (explaining that, under Texas’s version of the UCCJEA, “[a]lthough a
    temporary absence of a parent is part of the period, there is no provision for
    the children’s temporary absence from the state”).
    ¶21            When there is no home state under § 25-1031(A)(1), the
    second ground for jurisdiction, a “significant connection,” may allow a state
    to exercise jurisdiction. See A.R.S. § 25-1031(A)(2)(a). But neither Arizona
    nor Indiana had a “significant connection” with T.D. at the relevant time.
    As of the filing of the dependency petition, T.D. had lived in Arizona for
    less than two weeks, and when the termination petition was filed she had
    lived in Arizona for about seven weeks. Given those circumstances, T.D.
    had no “significant connection” to Arizona, or Indiana, other than her
    physical presence. See id. Moreover, we cannot conclude that “substantial
    evidence” exists in this record, as of the commencement of the proceedings,
    concerning T.D.’s “care, protection, training and personal relationships” in
    either state. See A.R.S. § 25-1031(A)(2)(b).
    ¶22          The third ground for exercising subject matter jurisdiction
    applies when a state with jurisdiction declines to exercise that jurisdiction
    because another state is a more appropriate forum. See § 25-1031(A)(3) (“All
    courts having jurisdiction under paragraph 1 or 2 have declined to exercise
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    jurisdiction on the ground that a court of this state is the more appropriate
    forum . . . .”). That provision does not apply here because neither Arizona
    nor Indiana has jurisdiction under § 25-1031(A)(1) or (2).
    ¶23             It is the fourth ground for jurisdiction, § 25-1031(A)(4), that
    allows Arizona to exercise jurisdiction over these proceedings. Under that
    provision, a state may exercise jurisdiction when no other state has
    jurisdiction under any of the first three grounds. Because Indiana lacks
    such jurisdiction, Arizona has jurisdiction under § 25-1031(A)(4) consistent
    with its state constitutional and statutory authority. See Ariz. Const. art. VI,
    § 15 (“The jurisdiction and authority of the courts of this state in all
    proceedings and matters affecting juveniles shall be as provided by the
    legislature . . . .”). “The juvenile court [has] exclusive original jurisdiction
    over petitions to terminate the parent-child relationship when the child
    involved is present in the state.” A.R.S. § 8-532(A) (emphasis added); see also
    A.R.S. § 8-201(21) (“’Juvenile court’ means the juvenile division of the
    superior court when exercising its jurisdiction over children in any
    proceeding relating to delinquency, dependency or incorrigibility.”). T.D.
    was present in Arizona when DCS filed its petitions for dependency and
    termination; accordingly, under § 25-1031(A)(4) Arizona’s juvenile court
    had subject matter jurisdiction to consider both petitions and all related
    proceedings involving T.D.’s care and custody.
    ¶24            A key purpose of the UCCJEA is to avoid jurisdictional
    conflicts by creating “consistency in interstate child custody jurisdiction
    and enforcement proceedings.” Angel B., 234 Ariz. at 72, ¶ 7 (citation and
    quotation omitted); see also Welch-Doden v. Roberts, 
    202 Ariz. 201
    , 206, ¶ 24
    (App. 2002). Our analysis reflects this purpose because there has never
    been any kind of case relating to T.D., much less a custody determination,
    filed in or order issued by an Indiana court. And other than participating
    in the brief hearings conducted by the juvenile court to resolve subject
    matter jurisdiction, neither Indiana’s courts nor Indiana DCS have any
    connection to this child. The parents cite no authority suggesting a court
    that makes an initial custody determination under its state constitutional
    and statutory authority may lose jurisdiction under the UCCJEA without
    any actual jurisdictional conflict with another state. Cf. Holly C., 247 Ariz.
    at 507, ¶ 34 (noting “§ 8-202 is of little help in determining jurisdiction when
    there is a competing jurisdictional claim of another state” (emphasis added)).
    ¶25          Because the juvenile court was authorized under Arizona law
    to make an initial custody determination under § 25-1031(A)(4) and § 8-532
    when DCS filed its petitions, and made subsequent custody determinations
    throughout the proceedings, the juvenile court has continuously retained
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    subject matter jurisdiction over these matters. See Angel B., 234 Ariz. at 72,
    ¶ 11 (citing A.R.S. § 25-1032(A)) (“Once a court with original jurisdiction
    issues an initial child custody order, the UCCJEA gives that court exclusive,
    continuing jurisdiction over all future custody determinations, subject to
    statutory exceptions.”); Melgar v. Campo, 
    215 Ariz. 605
    , 607, ¶ 11 (App. 2007)
    (recognizing that “[t]he rule of exclusive, continuing jurisdiction remains
    the jurisdictional lodestar until either the court that originated the order
    determines that the child’s connection with the state is too attenuated or
    that the child and parents no longer reside in the state”).
    B.     Telephonic Hearing
    ¶26            Mother argues the juvenile court violated her constitutional
    rights and abused its discretion when it conducted the dependency and
    termination hearing by phone. Acknowledging the importance of the
    interests at stake, we conclude the court’s decision to hold a telephonic
    hearing did not violate Mother’s due process rights and was within the
    court’s discretion.
    1.     Due Process
    ¶27            In the weeks before the consolidated hearing, the COVID-19
    pandemic prompted our supreme court to issue various administrative
    orders requiring courts to limit in-person proceedings and to use other
    means to take testimony. On April 14, 2020, Mother moved to continue the
    dependency/termination hearing until it could be safely conducted in
    person. She contended a telephonic hearing would violate her due process
    rights to assist her counsel and would create a risk of erroneous credibility
    determinations.
    ¶28            DCS opposed the motion and urged the court to determine
    whether, after balancing Mother’s liberty interests against the state’s
    interests, “the inherent value of in-person testimony is outweighed in these
    circumstances by the risk to trial participants’ health, given the present
    threat of an easily transmitted and potentially fatal virus in the
    community.” DCS argued the hearing could be “conducted remotely
    without unduly sacrificing due process protections,” explaining that
    exhibits could be distributed electronically to all parties, and that if
    communication issues arose the court would retain the option of continuing
    a portion of the hearing to address specific issues.
    ¶29           The juvenile court denied Mother’s motion, citing an
    administrative order issued by our supreme court, which directed the
    juvenile court to use remote technologies in lieu of in-person hearings due
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    to the public health crisis. See Ariz. Sup. Ct. Admin. Order No. 2020-47
    (Mar. 16, 2020); see also Ariz. Sup. Ct. Admin. Order No. 2020-60 (Apr. 6,
    2020); Ariz. Sup. Ct. Admin. Order No. 2020-70 (Apr. 16, 2020). Noting the
    hearing had already been delayed for several months, the court further
    reasoned that
    [w]hile procedural due process may typically require in-
    person termination or dependency adjudications, the right to
    in-person proceedings may be limited where it is justified by
    necessity. At this current time, Arizona is in the midst of the
    COVID-19 pandemic. In person proceedings place the health
    and safety of all participants at risk. Moreover, there is no
    immediate indication of when it will be safe to return to fully
    in-person proceedings, with all participants present in court.
    Given the ongoing pandemic, and the reality of there not
    being an obvious end in sight, this Court concludes that
    Mother’s procedural due process rights will not be violated
    by proceeding with a telephonic termination/dependency
    trial.
    ¶30          At the outset of the April 24 hearing, Mother’s counsel
    renewed her objection to participating telephonically, and Father’s counsel
    joined the objection. The GAL also objected, asserting that holding the
    hearing in this manner would create appealable issues, causing further
    delay. The court proceeded with the hearing over their objections.
    ¶31            Mother argues she was deprived of due process because her
    right to actively participate and aid her attorney was restricted, and her
    attorney was limited in her ability to effectively cross-examine witnesses
    and to verify and introduce exhibits. We review constitutional issues de
    novo. Brenda D. v. Dep’t of Child Safety, 
    243 Ariz. 437
    , 442, ¶ 15 (2018). In a
    termination hearing, an indigent parent has a right to counsel by statute,
    A.R.S. § 8-221; by rule, Rule 38(B); and as a matter of due process, Daniel Y.
    v. Ariz. Dep’t. of Econ. Sec., 
    206 Ariz. 257
    , 260, ¶ 14 (App. 2003) (holding a
    parent’s right in juvenile matters is “not co-extensive with a criminal
    defendant’s right . . . under the Sixth Amendment” but still has a
    “constitutional dimension”). “[D]enial of the right to effective participation
    of counsel” in a dependency proceeding “constitutes a denial of due process
    of law so gross as to lack a necessary attribute of a judicial determination.”
    Ariz. State Dep’t of Pub. Welfare v. Barlow, 
    80 Ariz. 249
    , 253 (1956). If a parent
    is denied the right to counsel at a hearing, the order that results is “void.”
    
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    ¶32            Unlike previous termination cases in which courts have found
    a denial of the right to counsel, Mother does not claim an absence of
    counsel. See Bob H. v. Ariz. Dep’t of Econ. Sec., 
    225 Ariz. 279
    , 283, ¶ 18 (App.
    2010) (juvenile court reversibly erred in commencing termination hearing
    without mother’s counsel present); Christy A. v. Ariz. Dep’t of Econ. Sec., 
    217 Ariz. 299
    , 307, ¶ 29 (App. 2007) (juvenile court “should have briefly
    continued the evidentiary hearing to allow mother’s counsel the
    opportunity to appear and participate”). Instead, Mother asserts that
    although she had representation, her ability to communicate with her
    attorney and thereby assist in her defense was diminished. Because
    Mother’s claims do not rise to the level of complete denial of her right to
    effective participation of counsel, the order from the hearing is not void. See
    Brenda D., 243 Ariz. at 446, ¶ 30 (distinguishing complete absence of counsel
    from situation where counsel could still cross-examine and make objections
    on behalf of parent who failed to appear). However, we still must analyze
    whether any diminution in Mother’s ability to communicate with her
    attorney violated Mother’s due process rights.
    ¶33           Courts may not terminate parental rights without affording
    parents fundamentally fair procedures that satisfy due process. Kent K. v.
    Bobby M., 
    210 Ariz. 279
    , 284, ¶ 24 (2005). Generally, due process requires
    an “opportunity to be heard ‘at a meaningful time and in a meaningful
    manner.’” Dep’t of Child Safety v. Beene, 
    235 Ariz. 300
    , 305, ¶ 11 (App. 2014)
    (quoting Mathews v. Eldridge, 
    424 U.S. 319
    , 333 (1976)). Determining what
    process is due requires analysis of four factors: (1) the “nature of the
    proceedings,” (2) the “private interests at stake,” (3) the “interests of the
    state,” and (4) the “risk that the procedures used will lead to erroneous
    decisions.” 
    Id. ¶34
                As to the nature of the proceedings, termination hearings are
    to be conducted informally. 
    Id. at 306, ¶ 12
    ; Ariz. R. P. Juv. Ct. 6. In
    addition, these hearings generally must occur on a relatively strict timeline
    to ensure permanency for the child involved. See Trisha A. v. Dep’t of Child
    Safety, 
    247 Ariz. 84
    , 91, ¶ 30 (2019) (emphasizing importance of “timely
    stability and permanency” for the child). Here, the joint hearing had been
    delayed several months and a continuance until after COVID-19 restrictions
    were lifted could have led to a longer delay. Concerning the private
    interests at stake, parents have “a fundamental liberty interest in the care,
    custody, and management of their children.” Kent K., 
    210 Ariz. at 284, ¶ 24
    .
    Children also have interests that are entitled to protection, including the
    right to “effective parental care.” Maricopa Cnty. Juv. Action No. JD-561, 
    131 Ariz. 25
    , 28 (1981). Regarding the interests of the state, not only does the
    state have a compelling interest in protecting the welfare of children, Beene,
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    235 Ariz. at 306, ¶ 13, it also bears a significant responsibility for public
    health during the COVID-19 pandemic.
    ¶35             Finally, as to the risk that the procedures used will lead to
    erroneous decisions, we look to the specific circumstances of the case,
    including any procedural safeguards provided. See id. at 307, ¶¶ 17–18. As
    noted in the criminal context, courts generally prefer in-person testimony
    because it “ensures the reliability of the evidence by allowing the trier of
    fact to observe the demeanor, nervousness, expressions, and other body
    language of the witness,” conveys to the witness the seriousness of the
    proceedings, and ensures the witness is not being coached or relying on
    extraneous materials. State v. Moore, 
    203 Ariz. 515
    , 517, ¶ 7 (App. 2002)
    (citation and quotation omitted). However, the circumstances of the
    current global pandemic are not normal, and in-person hearings during the
    height of the pandemic have created unique challenges. For example, such
    hearings may require the use of social distancing and masks, which could
    interfere with a fact-finder’s ability to judge a witness’s demeanor and facial
    expressions. On the other hand, even when a court hears telephonic
    testimony it may rely on other means to judge a witness’s credibility, such
    as assessing the witness’s tone or inflection, and identifying inconsistencies
    between the testimony and objective documentary evidence. See Anderson
    v. City of Bessemer, 
    470 U.S. 564
    , 574–75 (1985).
    ¶36           In addition, in this case the juvenile court employed some
    safeguards to protect Mother’s rights. For example, throughout the
    hearing, the court periodically confirmed that the participants had not been
    disconnected, inquired whether a witness was impermissibly reading from
    a document, and accommodated technical difficulties. Indeed, as the
    second day of the hearing began on April 28, no one expressed any concerns
    to the court about continuing to conduct the hearing telephonically.
    ¶37           When an issue arose about the accuracy of certain exhibits,
    the court took steps to ensure all parties were reviewing the same evidence.
    Mother’s counsel expressed concern that she had not received an exhibit
    log from DCS until shortly before the hearing and was unable to verify
    whether the exhibits she had received in discovery matched those being
    presented in court. DCS explained that Mother had received all required
    discovery, with the exception of two documents DCS had received only
    recently. The court arranged for a post-hearing period for counsel to review
    the exhibits admitted into evidence and confirm they were in fact the same
    exhibits that were previously disclosed, marked, and shown to parent’s
    counsel. And the court advised the parties it would not take the matters
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    under advisement until after counsel had an opportunity to review and
    make new objections to the exhibits.
    ¶38          Moreover, although Mother contends her counsel’s ability to
    cross-examine witnesses and handle exhibits was adversely affected, she
    does not explain what she or her counsel would have done differently if the
    hearing had been in person or how it would have made a difference in the
    outcome. See In re A.H., 
    950 N.W.2d 27
    , 37 (Iowa Ct. App. 2020) (denying a
    parent’s due process challenge to a telephonic hearing, in part, because the
    parent had not identified “any error or risk of error that occurred during
    the hearing as a result of the telephonic procedures other than generally
    ‘questioning’ the ability of counsel to represent” her). Mother was
    represented by counsel, testified, was able to hear the presentation of
    evidence, and her counsel cross-examined the State’s witnesses. Mother
    has not identified any defects or failures in the technology the court
    employed, nor has she specified any instance when she wished to speak
    with counsel privately and was denied the opportunity to do so, or how the
    manner in which the hearing proceeded impaired her counsel’s ability to
    cross-examine a witness or to offer other evidence. Based on the court’s
    findings, DCS proved the grounds for termination by clear and convincing
    evidence; Mother has not challenged any of those findings.
    ¶39           The juvenile court could have adopted additional safeguards
    that might have been helpful in conducting a telephonic hearing. Giving
    the parents “frequent breaks to consult privately by telephone with
    counsel” might have alleviated some of the concerns Mother raises. See 
    id.
    Ensuring the timely exchange/disclosure of exhibits, along with
    anticipating how exhibits may be viewed during the hearing, would have
    assisted the court and parties in avoiding the exhibit issue discussed above.
    Additionally, a better alternative could be videoconferencing, assuming
    reliable technology is available without unduly burdening the participants.
    In any event, the juvenile court is in the best position to assess what
    safeguards it should implement to ensure the rights of all parties are
    protected when the court conducts any proceeding in which the
    participants cannot be present in the courtroom.
    ¶40           After weighing the Eldridge factors, we conclude Mother was
    afforded adequate due process in this case, as the relatively minimal risk of
    error inherent in receiving testimony by telephone was remedied by
    safeguards and outweighed by the significant risks presented by the
    COVID-19 pandemic. The decision how to conduct a proceeding, especially
    during a pandemic, is best left to the juvenile court. A court may evaluate
    various factors when making that decision, including the fundamental right
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    to parent, the child’s best interests, the length of time a case has been
    pending, the parents’ involvement (or lack thereof) in reunification
    services, the expected length of the hearing, the number of witnesses who
    will be testifying, whether the parties intend to object to exhibits, and the
    extent to which the court will be relying on testimony or instead on
    documentary evidence. See JD-561, 
    131 Ariz. at 27
     (recognizing that
    resolving questions of due process in juvenile cases requires courts to
    “weigh and balance the competing interests” of the state, the parents, and
    the children). Indeed, establishing a bright-line rule requiring in-person
    testimony in all instances is unworkable, and in some instances might even
    deprive a parent of due process if special circumstances would not allow a
    parent to fully participate remotely, such as when a parent is incarcerated,
    has a serious illness, or lives in another state or country. We conclude that
    Mother’s right to due process was not violated.
    2.      Discretionary Decision
    ¶41            Mother also argues that even if her due process rights were
    not infringed by the manner in which the hearing proceeded, the court
    nonetheless abused its discretion by holding a telephonic hearing. We
    review a court’s ruling on a discretionary matter for an abuse of discretion.
    Adrian E. v. Ariz. Dep’t of Econ. Sec., 
    215 Ariz. 96
    , 101, ¶ 15 (App. 2007). Such
    a ruling will be reversed only if it is “manifestly unreasonable, or exercised
    on untenable grounds, or for untenable reasons.” 
    Id. ¶42
                  The juvenile court has discretion to “permit telephonic
    testimony . . . in any dependency . . . or termination of parental rights
    hearings” on the court’s own motion or by motion of a party. Ariz. R. P.
    Juv. Ct. 42. In the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Arizona Supreme
    Court extended even greater discretion to superior court judges to hold
    telephonic hearings. See Ariz. Sup. Ct. Admin. Order No. 2020-47. The
    court ordered that all in-person hearings must “be avoided to the greatest
    extent possible consistent with core constitutional rights.” 
    Id.
     To effect that
    ruling, judges were encouraged to “us[e] available technologies, including
    . . . teleconferencing.” 
    Id.
     In a related order issued by the Maricopa County
    Superior Court, the mandate was more specific: except for limited
    exceptions, “no in-person proceeding[s]” would take place during April
    2020, though the court would “continue to hold telephonic hearings.”
    Maricopa Cnty. Sup. Ct. Amended Admin. Order No. 2020-055 (Apr. 1,
    2020). Thus, these orders granted even more discretion to judges to hold
    telephonic hearings to address public health concerns, and Mother does not
    argue the orders are unconstitutional or otherwise invalid.
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    ¶43           In denying Mother’s motion to continue the hearing, the
    juvenile court recognized that the ongoing pandemic (with no foreseeable
    end date) required the court to consider alternatives. We cannot say the
    court abused its discretion in holding a telephonic hearing.
    CONCLUSION
    ¶44         We affirm the juvenile court’s order granting DCS’s petitions
    for dependency and termination.
    AMY M. WOOD • Clerk of the Court
    FILED:    JT
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