In re: Richard J. Segal ( 2015 )


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  •                                                                      FILED
    1                          NOT FOR PUBLICATION
    JAN 29 2015
    2
    SUSAN M. SPRAUL, CLERK
    U.S. BKCY. APP. PANEL
    3            UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY APPELLATE PANEL              OF THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    4                            OF THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    5   In re:                          )      BAP Nos.   CC-14-1175-KuPaTa
    )                 CC-14-1224-KuPaTa
    6   RICHARD J. SEGAL,               )                 (Cross-Appeals)
    )
    7                       Debtor.     )      Bk. No.    08-12110
    ________________________________)
    8                                   )
    STEPHEN S. FADEN,               )
    9                                   )
    Appellant and Cross-Appellee, )
    10                                   )
    v.                              )      MEMORANDUM*
    11                                   )
    RICHARD JOEL SEGAL;             )
    12   JUDITH SEGAL,                   )
    )
    13    Appellees and Cross-Appellants.)
    ________________________________)
    14
    Argued and Submitted on November 20, 2014
    15                          at Los Angeles, California
    16                          Filed – January 29, 2015
    17               Appeal from the United States Bankruptcy Court
    for the Central District of California
    18
    Honorable Meredith A. Jury, Bankruptcy Judge, Presiding
    19
    20   Appearances:      Victoria A. Silver argued for appellant and cross-
    appellee Stephen S. Faden.
    21
    22   Before: KURTZ, PAPPAS and TAYLOR, Bankruptcy Judges.
    23   Memorandum by Judge Kurtz
    Concurrence by Judge Taylor
    24
    25
    26        *
    This disposition is not appropriate for publication.
    27   Although it may be cited for whatever persuasive value it may
    have (see Fed. R. App. P. 32.1), it has no precedential value.
    28   See 9th Cir. BAP Rule 8013-1.
    1
    1                              INTRODUCTION
    2        Richard and Judith Segal commenced contempt proceedings
    3   against Stephen Faden for violation of the discharge injunction.
    4   The bankruptcy court awarded $7,616 in sanctions against Faden
    5   based on the Segals’ attorney’s fees, but the court denied Judith
    6   Segal’s request for emotional distress damages because it found
    7   that she did not suffer emotional distress as a result of Faden’s
    8   violation of the discharge injunction.
    9        Faden appealed the bankruptcy court’s contempt ruling.
    10   Faden challenges both the finding of contempt and the amount of
    11   the sanctions award.   The Segals filed a cross-appeal focusing on
    12   the court’s denial of emotional distress damages.
    13        We agree with the bankruptcy court’s careful determination
    14   that Faden violated the discharge injunction.   Additionally, the
    15   court’s emotional distress findings are not clearly erroneous.
    16   However, with respect to the amount of sanctions awarded, we need
    17   additional findings.   While the answers to our questions might
    18   seem obvious to the bankruptcy court in light of its familiarity
    19   with the parties and the proceedings, the existing findings and
    20   record leave us uncertain as to the precise basis for the court’s
    21   sanctions award.
    22        Consequently, we AFFIRM in part and VACATE AND REMAND in
    23   part, so the bankruptcy court can make further findings
    24   concerning its sanctions award.
    25                                  FACTS
    26        In 2007, Faden filed a lawsuit in the Los Angeles County
    27
    28
    2
    1   Superior Court against Segal, Segal’s wife Judith,1 and several
    2   businesses owned or controlled by Segal.    In that lawsuit, Faden
    3   sought relief from the defendants’ default on a promissory note.
    4   All of the defendants stipulated to entry of judgment against
    5   them, jointly and severally, in the amount of $346,997.08.    A
    6   stipulated judgment was entered for that amount in December 2007.
    7        A few months later, in February 2008, Faden and others filed
    8   an involuntary chapter 72 bankruptcy petition against both Segal
    9   and Judith.    In March 2008, the petitioning creditors filed an
    10   “amended” involuntary petition purporting to dismiss the petition
    11   as against Judith only.3   Over a year later and after a highly-
    12   contentious litigation process involving numerous filings and
    13   hearings, the bankruptcy court entered an order for relief
    14   against Segal only on March 26, 2009.
    15        During the course of the bankruptcy case, Faden purported to
    16   sell the Faden judgment to a third party by the name of David
    17   Silberstein.   Silberstein used the Faden judgment as the alleged
    18   basis for an exception to discharge claim against Segal under
    19   § 523(a)(2)(A).   Ultimately, the bankruptcy court dismissed with
    20   prejudice Silberstein’s nondischargeability adversary proceeding.
    21
    22        1
    We refer to Segal’s wife Judith by her first name for
    23   clarity. No disrespect is intended.
    24        2
    Unless specified otherwise, all chapter and section
    references are to the Bankruptcy Code, 11 U.S.C. §§ 101-1532, and
    25   all "Rule" references are to the Federal Rules of Bankruptcy
    26   Procedure, Rules 1001-9037.
    3
    27         The petitioning creditors’ actions against Judith
    ultimately led to a damages award in her favor pursuant to
    28   § 303(i).
    3
    1        Meanwhile, in 2012, the bankruptcy court granted Segal a
    2   discharge in his bankruptcy case.    The bankruptcy court entered a
    3   standard form chapter 7 discharge order granting Segal a
    4   discharge pursuant to § 727.   The bankruptcy court’s docket
    5   reflects that a copy of the discharge order was mailed to Faden.
    6   The form order was substantially the same as Official Form 18
    7   and, on the reverse side, described in lay terms the effect of
    8   the discharge as follows:
    9             The discharge prohibits any attempt to collect
    from the debtor a debt that has been discharged. For
    10        example, a creditor is not permitted to contact a
    debtor by mail, phone, or otherwise, to file or
    11        continue a lawsuit, to attach wages or other property,
    or to take any other action to collect a discharged
    12        debt from the debtor. [In a case involving community
    property: There are also special rules that protect
    13        certain community property owned by the debtor's
    spouse, even if that spouse did not file a bankruptcy
    14        case.] A creditor who violates this order can be
    required to pay damages and attorney's fees to the
    15        debtor.
    16   Reverse Side of Discharge Order (March 9, 2012) (emphasis added).
    17        The reverse side of the discharge order further explained
    18   that “[m]ost, but not all, types of debts are discharged if the
    19   debt existed on the date the bankruptcy case was filed.”    
    Id. 20 The
    reverse side also provided a list of common types of debt
    21   excepted from the discharge.   The concluding paragraph on the
    22   reverse side cautioned that its explanation of the effect of the
    23   discharge was a general summary of the law and encouraged
    24   interested parties to consult an attorney if they needed to
    25   ascertain the precise effect of the discharge to their specific
    26   situation.
    27        Notwithstanding the entry of the discharge order, in October
    28   2013, Faden took legal action against the Segals.   In a state
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    1   court lawsuit commenced by RJS Realty LTD and Greenstone LLC (two
    2   of Segal’s affiliated business entities), Faden filed a cross-
    3   complaint against the Segals and others based on the Faden
    4   judgment and other prepetition claims.4
    5        Within a couple of weeks, Segal (a licensed attorney)
    6   reopened his bankruptcy case and filed a motion on behalf of
    7   himself and Judith seeking an order to show cause why Faden
    8   should not be held in contempt for violation of the discharge
    9   injunction.   In the motion, the Segals asserted that Faden
    10   violated the discharge injunction as to both of them by filing
    11   the cross-complaint.   They further asserted that they were
    12   entitled to compensatory damages in the form of the attorney’s
    13   fees Segal would incur in representing them, damages resulting
    14   from the emotional distress that Judith had suffered as a result
    15   of the filing of the cross-complaint, and punitive damages.
    16        In response, Faden filed a preliminary opposition to the
    17   Segals’ motion arguing that an order to show cause should not
    18   issue.    Faden denied that he had knowingly violated the discharge
    19   injunction and also argued that his actions were justified by
    20   Segal's alleged misconduct in the state court litigation and in
    21   the transactions leading up to the state court litigation.    In
    22   addition, Faden asserted that his actions were beyond the scope
    23   of the discharge injunction afforded to Judith as a non-debtor
    24   spouse.
    25        After the bankruptcy court entered the order to show cause,
    26
    4
    27         Faden contended that the sale of the Faden judgment to
    Silberstein was invalid and that he thus retained ownership of
    28   and the right to enforce that judgment.
    5
    1   both sides filed additional papers in support of their positions.
    2   Upon reviewing the additional filings, the court issued a notice
    3   in January 2014 identifying certain facts as undisputed and other
    4   facts as disputed and setting an evidentiary hearing.
    5        The court identified as undisputed Faden’s active
    6   participation in Segal’s bankruptcy case as a petitioning
    7   creditor, his assignment or sale of the Faden judgment to
    8   Silberstein, and Silberstein’s unsuccessful attempt to except the
    9   Faden judgment from discharge.   The court further noted that the
    10   discharge order in Segal’s bankruptcy case was mailed to Faden
    11   and that the discharge protected both Segal and Judith.   With
    12   respect to Judith, the court stated that the Faden judgment was a
    13   community claim and that, unless Judith had separate property,
    14   any action against her would constitute a discharge injunction
    15   violation.   Finally, the court stated that Faden filed the cross-
    16   complaint in part based on the Faden judgment and that Faden
    17   still had not dismissed the cross-complaint as against the
    18   Segals.
    19        The court identified the following factual issues to be
    20   resolved at the evidentiary hearing:
    21        1. [Whether], despite the notice of discharge from the
    bankruptcy court, Faden had no knowledge of the
    22        discharge prior to this OSC.
    23        2. [Whether] Judith Segal has separate property which
    would be subject to the Faden Judgment.
    24
    3. [Whether] any of the documents attached to any of
    25        the pleadings filed by debtor or Faden in support of or
    opposition to this OSC lack authenticity or would be
    26        otherwise inadmissible.
    27        4. [Whether] debtor incurred recoverable damages as a
    result of the discharge violation and the amount of
    28        those damages.
    6
    1   Notice of Issues for Evidentiary Hearing on OSC (Jan. 22, 2014)
    2   at 2:21-3:2.
    3        In the final sentence of the evidentiary hearing notice, the
    4   court directed that Faden would be the first to present evidence
    5   at the hearing because Segal already had presented a prima facie
    6   case in support of his contempt motion.
    7        The bankruptcy court held the hearing on the contempt motion
    8   on February 7, 2014.   Through most of the contempt proceedings,
    9   the Segals represented themselves, but the Segals retained
    10   counsel by the name of Craig Smith to represent them at the
    11   evidentiary hearing.   Faden was represented by counsel as well,
    12   but Faden did not appear for examination at the hearing, nor did
    13   his counsel request a continuance so that Faden could appear and
    14   testify.   The court expressed surprise at Faden’s failure to
    15   appear given that the contempt proceedings were brought against
    16   Faden and some of the factual issues concerned Faden’s state of
    17   mind, particularly his knowledge of the discharge injunction.
    18        Faden’s counsel’s presentation was limited to argument and
    19   the declarations and exhibits that Faden had presented to the
    20   court before the evidentiary hearing.   One of Faden’s key points
    21   was that Faden never served a summons or the cross-complaint on
    22   either of the Segals in their personal capacity.   Faden
    23   acknowledged that he served Segal in his capacity as counsel for
    24   RJS Realty Ltd, but he pointed out that the only act he arguably
    25   took in violation of the discharge injunction was the filing of
    26   the cross-complaint naming both of the Segals as defendants.
    27        Faden also pointed out that, several days before the
    28   evidentiary hearing, he filed in the state court a request for
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    1   dismissal of the Segals from the cross-complaint and that he
    2   notified the Segals of the filing of this request.
    3        Faden’s counsel also attempted to frame other arguments at
    4   the hearing, including arguments regarding Faden’s knowledge of
    5   the discharge injunction.   The court advised Faden’s counsel
    6   that, without Faden’s live testimony, these other arguments were
    7   virtually worthless.
    8        The Segals then presented their testimony, and Faden’s
    9   counsel cross-examined them both.      Their testimony principally
    10   focused on damages they allegedly suffered as a result of Faden’s
    11   filing of the cross-complaint.   Their evidence regarding Judith’s
    12   emotional distress was limited to their testimony.
    13        The court accepted into evidence all of the exhibits offered
    14   by the parties.   Among those exhibits were invoices for legal
    15   services rendered in the contempt proceedings by Segal and Smith.
    16   Smith’s invoice covered services rendered beginning on
    17   February 3, 2014, and ending on February 7, 2014, and was first
    18   presented to the court and Faden’s counsel at the time of the
    19   hearing.   After the close of evidence, the bankruptcy court set a
    20   schedule for post-hearing briefs and concluded the hearing.
    21        Faden’s trial summation and closing brief principally
    22   challenged the Segals’ $20,000 claim for attorney’s fees Segal
    23   incurred in representing the Segals.      Faden argued that
    24   attorney’s fees for in pro per representation are not recoverable
    25   as compensatory damages in a contempt proceeding, and the Segals
    26   ultimately conceded this issue and withdrew the damages claim
    27   based on Segal’s legal services.
    28        Faden also challenged the $7,616 in attorney’s fees incurred
    8
    1   by Smith in representing the Segals in the contempt proceedings.
    2   Faden argued that Smith’s fees were completely unnecessary and
    3   unreasonable because Faden already had requested dismissal of the
    4   cross-complaint as against the Segals at the time Smith began
    5   representing the Segals.   Faden further argued that Smith’s
    6   services were partly duplicative of the legal services provided
    7   by Segal.   Finally, Faden specifically claimed as excessive and
    8   unreasonable the 6.6 hours Smith billed as time spent preparing
    9   for the evidentiary hearing and the seven hours Smith billed as
    10   time spent attending the hearing and in transit to and from the
    11   hearing.
    12        The Segals filed a one-sentence post-hearing brief, in which
    13   they withdrew their damage claim based on Segal’s $20,000 in
    14   legal services.
    15        After the parties filed their post-hearing briefs, the
    16   bankruptcy court issued a memorandum decision.       In it, the court
    17   first noted that it already had accepted into evidence, without
    18   objection, all of the declarations and exhibits presented by the
    19   parties at and before the hearing.       The court also reiterated the
    20   undisputed facts and factual issues recited in its January 2014
    21   evidentiary hearing notice.
    22        The court supplemented the undisputed facts with findings
    23   based on the evidence presented.       In relevant part, the court
    24   found that Faden violated the discharge injunction by filing the
    25   cross-complaint against the Segals, but the court also noted that
    26   neither a summons nor the cross-complaint had been served on the
    27   Segals in their personal capacities.       The court further found
    28   that Faden knew of the discharge injunction and its effect on the
    9
    1   Faden judgment when he filed the cross-complaint.    The court
    2   emphasized that Faden’s denial of this knowledge was not
    3   credible.5
    4        With respect to damages, the court noted that the only types
    5   of compensatory damages the Segals claimed were for emotional
    6   distress and for attorney’s fees.    The court ruled that the
    7   Segals’ evidence of the emotional distress Judith allegedly
    8   suffered was subject to a fatal deficiency:
    9        To award emotional distress damages, the Court must
    find causation between the offending act of Faden -
    10        filing the cross complaint - and the distress caused to
    Judith. The evidence fails to show that causal
    11        connection: The cross complaint was not served upon
    Judith. She only learned about it when Segal showed
    12        her a copy which was served on him by mail as attorney
    for RJS Realty. Faden did not directly cause her
    13        distress. The Court cannot award emotional distress
    damages based on the undisputed evidence.
    14
    15   Mem. Dec. (March 27, 2014) at 9:17-22.
    16        As for attorney’s fees, the court rejected Faden’s
    17   contention that the Segals could not recover any of Smith’s
    18   attorney’s fees because they all were incurred after Faden had
    19   advised the Segals that he had filed a request to dismiss them
    20   from the cross-complaint.   Instead, the court noted that it had
    21
    5
    The bankruptcy court also rejected Faden’s argument that
    22
    Judith was not protected by the discharge in Segal’s bankruptcy
    23   case. In so ruling, the court focused on the lack of evidence
    that Judith had separate property; it thus concluded that the
    24   litigation necessarily involved an act against her community
    property and a violation of the non-debtor spouse discharge
    25   injunction. We question this determination as the non-filing
    26   spouse discharge injunction protects against collection activity
    as opposed to liquidation of a debt that may be collectible from
    27   non-community assets at any future point in time. Faden,
    however, failed to raise this point on appeal, so we do not
    28   address it further.
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    1   discretion to award Smith’s fees “as § 105 damages” based on
    2   Faden’s willful violation of the discharge injunction.    The court
    3   then stated:   “On the facts of this case, the court will award
    4   those damages as a sanction for Faden's calous [sic] disregard of
    5   the protection the Segals received when Segal's bankruptcy case
    6   was discharged.”   
    Id. at 10:10-12.
     7        After two paragraphs identifying Faden’s conduct supporting
    8   the sanctions award, the court summed up by stating: “This
    9   egregious and blatant behavior warrants a sanction from this
    10   Court.   Unable to award any compensatory damages to Segal and
    11   Judith, the Court's decision to award those attorney's fees as a
    12   sanction is well-founded.”    
    Id. at 10:24-26
    (emphasis added).
    13        On March 28, 2014, the court entered its order awarding
    14   $7,616 in contempt sanctions against Faden.    The Segals then
    15   filed a reconsideration motion seeking to reargue the emotional
    16   distress issue, which motion the court denied.    Faden timely
    17   appealed the bankruptcy court’s sanctions order, and the Segals
    18   cross-appealed.
    19                                JURISDICTION
    20        The bankruptcy court had jurisdiction pursuant to 28 U.S.C.
    21   §§ 1334 and 157(b)(2)(O).    We have jurisdiction under 28 U.S.C.
    22   § 158.
    23                                   ISSUES
    24   1.   Did the bankruptcy court abuse its discretion when it held
    25        Faden in contempt of court and awarded sanctions against him
    26        in the amount of $7,616 based on the fees Smith incurred in
    27        representing the Segals in the contempt proceedings?
    28   2.   Did the bankruptcy court abuse its discretion when it denied
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    1        the Segals’ claim for emotional distress damages?
    2                             STANDARDS OF REVIEW
    3        The bankruptcy court's decision to impose contempt sanctions
    4   for violation of the discharge injunction is reviewed for an
    5   abuse of discretion.    Nash v. Clark Cnty. Dist. Atty's. Office
    6   (In re Nash), 
    464 B.R. 874
    , 878 (9th Cir. BAP 2012).
    7        The bankruptcy court abuses its discretion if its decision
    8   was based on an incorrect legal rule or its factual findings were
    9   illogical, implausible, or without support in the record.       
    Id. 10 (citing
    United States v. Hinkson, 
    585 F.3d 1247
    , 1262 (9th
    11   Cir.2009) (en banc)).
    12        The bankruptcy court’s findings of fact are not clearly
    13   erroneous unless they are “illogical, implausible, or without
    14   support in the record.”    Retz   v. Samson (In re Retz), 
    606 F.3d 15
      1189, 1196 (9th Cir. 2010).
    16                                 DISCUSSION
    17        A discharge in a bankruptcy case “operates as an injunction
    18   against the commencement or continuation of an action, the
    19   employment of process, or an act, to collect, recover or offset
    20   any [prepetition] debt as a personal liability of the debtor
    21   . . . .”   § 524(a)(2).   The discharge also protects all community
    22   property of the debtor and the debtor’s spouse acquired after the
    23   commencement of the case.    § 524(a)(3); see also Rooz v. Kimmel
    24   (In re Kimmel), 
    378 B.R. 630
    , 635-36 (9th Cir. BAP 2007).
    25        When creditors willfully violate the discharge injunction,
    26   they may be held in contempt.     See ZiLOG, Inc. v. Corning
    27   (In re ZiLOG, Inc.), 
    450 F.3d 996
    , 1007 (9th Cir. 2006).       For
    28   purposes of finding creditors in contempt, the creditors act
    12
    1   willfully if they: “(1) knew the discharge injunction was
    2   applicable and (2) intended the actions which violated the
    3   injunction.”   
    Id. This is
    so even if the creditors did not
    4   specifically intend to violate the discharge injunction.    See
    5   Knupfer v. Lindblade (In re Dyer), 
    322 F.3d 1178
    , 1191 (9th Cir.
    6   2003).
    7        Faden does not dispute on appeal that, under § 524(a)(2) and
    8   (3), he was enjoined from commencing or pursuing legal actions
    9   against both Segal and Judith based on his prepetition claim
    10   associated with the Faden judgment.    Accordingly, we need not
    11   address the scope of the injunction under § 524(a)(3) as it
    12   applied to Judith’s community property interests.    See 
    id. at 13
      1182 (stating that appellate court does not need to consider
    14   issue not raised on appeal).6
    15        However, Faden does challenge on appeal the bankruptcy
    16   court’s determination that his filing of the cross-complaint
    17   naming the Segals as cross-defendants constituted a violation of
    18   the discharge injunction sufficient to justify a contempt
    19   sanctions award.     According to Faden, because he never served the
    20   cross-complaint on the Segals, and because the state court never
    21   acquired personal jurisdiction over the Segals, his action of
    22   filing the cross-complaint was at most a mere “technical”
    23   violation of the discharge injunction, which did not justify the
    24   imposition of any sanctions award.
    25        We disagree.    We have not found any law prohibiting or
    26
    6
    27         We also need not address this issue because Faden’s
    violation of § 524(a)(2) was sufficient to support the court’s
    28   contempt finding.
    13
    1   limiting the remedies a court may impose on account of a so-
    2   called technical violation of the discharge injunction, and Faden
    3   has not cited any.   Nor can we narrowly read § 524(a)(2) in the
    4   way Faden urges – to permit the filing of his cross-complaint
    5   against Segal – without departing from the plain meaning of the
    6   statute’s clear language.
    7        Moreover, the bankruptcy court considered the nature and
    8   impact of Faden’s violative conduct before it determined the
    9   extent to which sanctions should be imposed against Faden.   Thus,
    10   the bankruptcy court’s ruling already accounted for the limited
    11   nature of Faden’s discharge injunction violation.
    12        Faden alternately argues on appeal that the bankruptcy court
    13   did not find, as required, that he “actually knew” of the
    14   discharge injunction.   In essence, Faden contends that the court
    15   only found that he had constructive or imputed knowledge of the
    16   discharge injunction.   Because the court based its knowledge
    17   finding in part on circumstantial evidence and in part on the
    18   application of the “mailbox rule,”   Faden reasons that the court
    19   could not have correctly found that he actually knew about the
    20   discharge in Segal’s bankruptcy case.
    21        Before imposing contempt sanctions for violation of the
    22   discharge injunction, the bankruptcy court needed to find, among
    23   other things, that Faden actually knew of the discharge
    24   injunction.   In re ZiLOG, 
    Inc., 450 F.3d at 1007
    .   Faden’s actual
    25   knowledge of the discharge injunction was a question of fact, 
    id. 26 at
    1007-08, and the bankruptcy court here unequivocally found
    27   that Faden actually knew of the discharge injunction.   In
    28   relevant part, the bankruptcy court explicitly found that Faden’s
    14
    1   “ignorance of the discharge is feigned” and that Faden’s
    2   declaration testimony that he did not know of the bankruptcy
    3   discharge was “not credible.”      Bk Ct. Mem. Dec. (March 28, 2014)
    4   at 6:2-8.    Furthermore, the court explicitly found “based on
    5   circumstantial evidence that Faden knew of the discharge and the
    6   imposition of an injunction against collection of a discharged
    7   debt.”    
    Id. at 7:22-23.
     8        Faden’s argument attacking the bankruptcy court’s knowledge
    9   finding lacks merit.    It is common for the trier of fact to rely
    10   on circumstantial evidence to resolve factual issues bearing on a
    11   party’s state of mind.      See, e.g., In re Zilog, Inc.,
    
    12 450 F.3d at 1008
    ; United States v. Sullivan, 
    522 F.3d 967
    , 974
    13   (9th Cir. 2008).    Indeed, absent an admission, circumstantial
    14   evidence typically is the only means by which a party may prove
    15   another party’s state of mind.
    16        As for the bankruptcy court’s invocation of the mailbox
    17   rule, we perceive no error.      The mailbox rule creates a
    18   rebuttable presumption that documents duly served by mail have
    19   been received by the addressee at the address stated in the proof
    20   of service.    See Schikore v. BankAmerica Supp. Ret. Plan,
    21   
    269 F.3d 956
    , 961 (9th Cir. 2001) (citing Hagner v. United
    22   States, 
    285 U.S. 427
    , 430 (1932)).      To overcome the mailbox rule
    23   presumption, the party served ordinarily must present something
    24   more than a bald denial of receipt.      See Berry v. U.S. Trustee
    25   (In re Sustaita), 
    438 B.R. 198
    , 209 (9th Cir. BAP 2010), aff'd,
    26   460 Fed.Appx. 627 (9th Cir. 2011).
    27        Here, the bankruptcy court correctly invoked the mailbox
    28   rule.    Based on the court’s records regarding the mailing of the
    15
    1   discharge order, the court presumed that Faden received written
    2   notice of the discharge, and Faden did nothing to counter that
    3   presumption except to deny receipt of that notice.
    4        In any event, the court’s finding regarding Faden’s actual
    5   knowledge was not based solely on the mailbox rule, but rather on
    6   the entirety of the circumstances.     In making its knowledge
    7   finding, the court noted the critical and active role Faden
    8   played as a petitioning creditor in Segal’s bankruptcy case, and
    9   the fact that Faden as a petitioning creditor had been included
    10   in the court’s mailing matrix from and after the commencement of
    11   the case in 2008.   The court further inferred that Faden
    12   understood the effect the discharge would have on his right to
    13   enforce the Faden judgment, as he conveyed the Faden judgment to
    14   Silberstein so that Silberstein could bring an adversary
    15   proceeding attempting to except the Faden judgment from Segal’s
    16   discharge.   That adversary proceeding was unsuccessful.    On these
    17   facts, we cannot say that the bankruptcy court’s finding
    18   regarding Faden’s actual knowledge of the discharge injunction
    19   was illogical, implausible or without support in the record.
    20   In re 
    Retz, 606 F.3d at 1196
    .
    21        Even if we were to discern some error in the bankruptcy
    22   court’s actual knowledge finding (which we do not), Faden has
    23   admitted that he received Segal’s order to show cause motion.    As
    24   a result, Faden indisputably knew of the discharge injunction on
    25   and after his receipt of this motion, and he had an ongoing and
    26   affirmative duty after that point to unwind the effects of his
    27   discharge injunction violation.    See In re 
    Dyer, 322 F.3d at 28
      1192.
    16
    1        In spite of this duty, instead of taking immediate action to
    2   remedy his violative conduct, Faden responded to Segal’s order to
    3   show cause motion by denying that he had knowingly violated the
    4   discharge injunction and also by arguing that his actions were
    5   justified by Segal’s alleged misconduct in the state court
    6   litigation and in the transactions leading up to the state court
    7   litigation.   In fact, it took Faden nearly three months to take
    8   the simple step of dismissing the cross-complaint as against the
    9   Segals, and he finally did so only a few days before the
    10   evidentiary hearing on the contempt motion.    Faden’s knowledge of
    11   the discharge injunction on and after his admitted receipt of
    12   Segal’s order to show cause motion and Faden’s failure to
    13   expeditiously dismiss out the Segals from his cross-complaint
    14   dispels any doubt regarding Faden having the requisite knowledge
    15   for the bankruptcy court to hold him in contempt for violation of
    16   the discharge injunction.   See 
    Id. 17 A
    bankruptcy court may award sanctions for a violation of
    18   the discharge injunction under the court's contempt power.
    19   In re ZiLOG, 
    Inc., 450 F.3d at 1007
    (citing § 105).    Civil
    20   contempt sanctions may be either compensatory or coercive in
    21   nature.   In re 
    Dyer, 322 F.3d at 1192
    .   The sanctions are
    22   compensatory only if they reimburse the injured party for losses
    23   suffered as a result of the sanctionable conduct.    Gen. Signal
    24   Corp. v. Donallco, Inc., 
    787 F.2d 1376
    , 1380 (9th Cir. 1986)
    25   (citing Shuffler v. Heritage Bank, 
    720 F.2d 1141
    , 1148 (9th Cir.
    26   1983)).   If the sanctions are not compensatory and instead are
    27   aimed at deterring future or continued contumacy, they may be
    28   coercive in nature, In re 
    Dyer, 322 F.3d at 1192
    , but such
    17
    1   coercive civil contempt sanctions must afford the contemnor some
    2   opportunity to reduce or avoid the sanction.     
    Id. If there
    is no
    3   such opportunity, a flat, unconditional, noncompensatory fine for
    4   willfully violating a court order is considered to be a punitive
    5   or criminal contempt sanction.   
    Id. 6 Bankruptcy
    courts are not authorized to award “serious”
    7   criminal contempt sanctions, but “relatively mild” non-
    8   compensatory fines may be permissible under some circumstances,
    9   especially when there is no other practicable means of addressing
    10   the contumacious conduct.   
    Id. at 1193
    & n.16.    Under no
    11   circumstances should the relatively mild non-compensatory fine
    12   exceed several thousand dollars.      
    Id. 13 The
    bankruptcy court imposed against Faden a sanctions award
    14   of $7,616, payable to the Segals.      The court made it clear that
    15   the amount of the sanctions award was based on the attorney’s
    16   fees Smith billed for the services he performed in relation to
    17   the contempt proceedings, beginning on February 3, 2014, and
    18   ending on February 7, 2014.   On appeal, Faden argues that the
    19   amount of the award was an abuse of discretion under three
    20   distinct theories: (1) the fees billed were “completely
    21   unnecessary and unreasonable” because they were needlessly
    22   incurred after the Segals and Smith had been notified that Faden
    23   had remedied his discharge injunction violation by requesting
    24   dismissal of the cross-complaint as against the Segals;
    25   (2) Smith’s fees were duplicative of the fees claimed by Segal in
    26   the contempt proceedings; and (3) the court did not make any
    27   evaluation or findings regarding the reasonableness of the fees
    28   Smith claimed.   We will address each of these theories in turn.
    18
    1        We reject Faden’s theory that the Segals’ entitlement to
    2   recover fees ceased upon Faden dismissing the Segals from the
    3   cross-complaint.   Faden cited no legal authority to support this
    4   theory.   Moreover, we agree with the bankruptcy court’s well-
    5   reasoned analysis of this issue.     Citing Sternberg v. Johnston,
    6   
    595 F.3d 937
    , 945-48 (9th Cir. 2010), the bankruptcy court
    7   acknowledged that, in an adversary proceeding brought pursuant to
    8   § 362(k), the debtor cannot claim as an element of damages fees
    9   incurred after the stay or discharge injunction violation has
    10   been undone.   On the other hand, the bankruptcy court pointed out
    11   that its contempt powers are not so limited.    See Rediger Inves.
    12   Servs. v. H Granados Commc'ns, Inc. (In re H Granados Commc'ns,
    13   Inc.), 
    503 B.R. 726
    , 734–35 (9th Cir. BAP 2013).
    14        In re H Granados Commc'ns, Inc. stands for the proposition
    15   that a bankruptcy court may include in its compensatory civil
    16   contempt award reasonable attorney’s fees incurred during the
    17   entirety of the contempt proceedings – even those incurred after
    18   the violative conduct has been set aside.    In this respect,
    19   In re H Granados Commc'ns, Inc. is consistent with the Ninth
    20   Circuit’s broad general statements regarding the injured party’s
    21   entitlement to recover attorney’s fees as an element of
    22   compensatory civil contempt sanctions.    See, e.g., In re Dyer,
    
    23 322 F.3d at 1195
    ("attorneys fees are an appropriate component of
    24   a civil contempt award"); Perry v. O'Donnell, 
    759 F.2d 702
    , 705
    25   (9th Cir. 1985) ("an award of fees and expenses is appropriate as
    26   a remedial measure").   Simply put, neither Dyer nor Perry nor any
    27   other Ninth Circuit decision we know of has refused to award fees
    28   as part of a compensatory civil contempt sanctions award because
    19
    1   those fees were incurred in the contempt proceedings after the
    2   violative conduct had been remediated.
    3        As for Faden’s theory that Smith’s fees were duplicative of
    4   those incurred by Segal while Segal was representing himself in
    5   the contempt proceedings, we can quickly dispose of this theory.
    6   It makes no sense for Faden to complain of this duplication of
    7   effort when none of Segal’s attorney’s fees incurred in
    8   representing himself were awarded against Faden.    Put another
    9   way, Faden lacks standing on appeal to complain regarding any
    10   duplication of effort between Segal and Smith because any such
    11   duplication of effort did not adversely affect him pecuniarily.
    12   See generally Fondiller v. Robertson (In re Fondiller), 
    707 F.2d 13
      441, 442 (9th Cir. 1983) (“Only those persons who are directly
    14   and adversely affected pecuniarily by an order of the bankruptcy
    15   court have been held to have standing to appeal that order.”).
    16        Faden’s third theory, that the bankruptcy court did not
    17   evaluate the reasonableness of Smith’s fees, requires greater
    18   thought.   Generally speaking, a compensatory civil contempt fee
    19   award should be supported by a reasonableness finding.    Perry,
    
    20 759 F.2d at 706
    .    Furthermore, in assessing the reasonableness of
    21   such fees, a court typically must consider factors like those
    22   articulated in Kerr v. Screen Extras Guild, Inc., 
    526 F.2d 67
    , 70
    23   (9th Cir. 1975).7   See 
    Perry, 759 F.2d at 706
    .   While some Ninth
    24
    25        7
    Kerr listed the following factors to be considered: (1) the
    26   time and labor required, (2) the novelty and difficulty of the
    questions involved, (3) the skill requisite to perform the legal
    27   service properly, (4) the preclusion of other employment by the
    attorney due to acceptance of the case, (5) the customary fee,
    28                                                      (continued...)
    20
    1   Circuit decisions subsequent to Kerr have indicated that slavish
    2   adherence to a rigid and formulaic recitation of the Kerr factors
    3   is not a prerequisite to a fee award, Brown v. Baden
    4   (In re Yagman), 
    796 F.2d 1165
    , 1184 (9th Cir. 1986), amended by
    5   
    803 F.2d 1085
    (1986), “the court must make some evaluation of the
    6   fee breakdown submitted by counsel.”   
    Id. 7 The
    contemnor may forfeit the reasonableness issue if he or
    8   she does not raise it in the trial court, 
    Perry, 759 F.2d at 706
    ,
    9   but Faden here sufficiently raised the reasonableness issue to
    10   preserve it for appeal.   More specifically, Faden argued the
    11   reasonableness of Smith’s fees in the post-trial brief the
    12   bankruptcy court authorized Faden to file.   Even though most of
    13   Faden’s reasonableness argument in his post-trial brief was
    14   dedicated to his first two theories, discussed above, that we
    15   already have rejected, Faden also contended that some of Smith’s
    16   specific time entries were excessive under the circumstances.
    17        We consider Faden’s raising of the reasonableness issue in
    18
    7
    19         (...continued)
    (6) whether the fee is fixed or contingent, (7) time limitations
    20   imposed by the client or the circumstances, (8) the amount
    involved and the results obtained, (9) the experience,
    21   reputation, and ability of the attorneys, (10) the
    ‘undesirability’ of the case, (11) the nature and length of the
    22
    professional relationship with the client, and (12) awards in
    23   similar cases. 
    Id. at 70.
    24        The Supreme Court has explicitly rejected consideration of
    at least one of these factors – the factor regarding whether the
    25   fee is fixed or contingent. See City of Burlington v. Dague,
    26   
    505 U.S. 557
    , 567 (1992). Additionally, a number of courts have
    indicated that the lodestar method of evaluating fees has
    27   replaced and/or subsumed most of the Kerr factors. See, e.g.,
    Gonzalez v. City of Maywood, 
    729 F.3d 1196
    , 1204 n.3 (9th Cir.
    28   2013).
    21
    1   his post-trial brief timely because the record indicates that
    2   Smith’s invoice was not made available to Faden for review until
    3   the day of the evidentiary hearing.    On this record, we hold that
    4   Faden sufficiently preserved the reasonableness issue for
    5   appellate review.
    6        Even though the bankruptcy court did not explicitly address
    7   the reasonableness issue, we arguably could conclude that the
    8   court implicitly found Smith’s fees to be reasonable.    Both the
    9   relatively small amount of fees involved ($7,616) and the limited
    10   effort Faden devoted to addressing the reasonableness issue could
    11   support a conclusion that the court found it unnecessary to make
    12   an explicit reasonableness finding.    Indeed, Faden concedes in
    13   his appeal brief that an explicit reasonableness finding is not
    14   always required.    See Aplt. Opn. Br. at p. 13 (citing Lloyd v.
    15   Schlag, 
    884 F.2d 409
    , 413 (9th Cir. 1989)).
    16        Moreover, bankruptcy courts have extensive experience in
    17   approving the reasonableness of fees in conjunction with
    18   professional fee applications filed under § 330, as well as in
    19   adversary proceedings in which fee shifting statutes and
    20   contractual attorney’s fee provisions often come into play.
    21   These fee issues, some of them involving hundreds of thousands of
    22   dollars in requested fees, are routinely scrutinized by the
    23   bankruptcy court under the “loadstar approach,” which subsumes
    24   many of the Kerr factors.    See 
    Gonzalez, 729 F.3d at 1204
    n.3.
    25   Under these circumstances, we might assume that, at a glance, the
    26   bankruptcy court here was able to implicitly find that the $7,616
    27   in fees claimed by Smith were reasonable.
    28        Nonetheless, there are at least a couple aspects of the
    22
    1   bankruptcy court’s fees ruling that prevent us from affirming
    2   that ruling based on the notion that the bankruptcy court
    3   implicitly found Smith’s fees to be reasonable.    One aspect that
    4   concerns us is the need for the bankruptcy court to parse Smith’s
    5   fees to identify those that flowed from Faden’s violation of the
    6   discharge injunction and those that did not.    As explained in
    7   In re Dyer, only those fees flowing from the contumacious conduct
    8   can be awarded as part of a compensatory civil contempt sanctions
    9   award.   
    Id. at 1195.
      In fact, In re Dyer ruled that a remand was
    10   necessary so that the bankruptcy court could make precisely that
    11   type of determination.   
    Id. 12 Here,
    as we discuss below, the bankruptcy court found that
    13   the Segals failed to prove that they suffered any emotional
    14   distress as a result of Faden’s contumacious conduct.    Yet the
    15   record reflects that a significant portion of Smith’s fees were
    16   incurred attempting to elicit from the Segals testimony regarding
    17   Judith’s emotional distress.   If the emotional distress did not
    18   flow from Faden’s discharge injunction violation, how is it that
    19   the bankruptcy court could find that Smith’s services aimed at
    20   presenting emotional distress evidence flowed from Faden’s
    21   discharge injunction violation?    Without a finding of a causal
    22   link between the fees incurred and the contumacious conduct, the
    23   fees are not properly part of a compensatory civil contempt
    24   sanctions award.   In re 
    Dyer, 322 F.3d at 1195
    .
    25        The other aspect of the fees ruling that concerns us
    26   pertains to some of the statements the bankruptcy court made in
    27   the process of imposing the $7,616 in sanctions.    Among other
    28   things, the court stated: “On the facts of this case, the court
    23
    1   will award those damages [Smith’s fees] as a sanction for Faden's
    2   calous [sic] disregard of the protection the Segals received when
    3   Segal's bankruptcy case was discharged.”   Mem. Dec. (March 28,
    4   2014) at 10:10-12.   The court further stated: “This egregious and
    5   blatant behavior warrants a sanction from this Court.   Unable to
    6   award any compensatory damages to Segal and Judith, the Court's
    7   decision to award those attorney's fees as a sanction is
    8   well-founded.”   Mem. Dec. (March 28, 2014) at 10:24-26 (emphasis
    9   added).
    10        These statements, especially the latter one, perhaps suggest
    11   that the bankruptcy court intended its fee award to constitute a
    12   flat, unconditional, noncompensatory fine on account of Faden’s
    13   contumacious conduct.   However, if the court intended the $7,616
    14   in sanctions to be a relatively minor punitive sanction, we have
    15   a different set of concerns.   For instance, whether or not a
    16   punitive sanction should be considered serious depends in part on
    17   the financial condition of the sanctioned party.   See F.J.
    18   Hanshaw Enters., Inc. v. Emerald River Dev., Inc., 
    244 F.3d 1128
    ,
    19   1140 n.10 (9th Cir. 2001).   In other words, the seriousness of
    20   the sanction award depends in part on whether the sanctioned
    21   party is a multinational corporation, an impoverished debtor or
    22   something in between.   Here, the bankruptcy court made no finding
    23   regarding Faden’s financial condition.   The absence of a finding
    24   on the seriousness of the sanction or on Faden’s financial
    25   condition makes us hesitant to conclude that the bankruptcy court
    26   intended to impose a noncompensatory fine.
    27        Furthermore, the court’s findings were not 100% clear on the
    28   mental state accompanying Faden’s violation of the discharge
    24
    1   injunction.   Even though a finding that the contemnor
    2   intentionally violated the court’s order is not necessary to
    3   support a civil contempt sanctions award, In re 
    Dyer, 322 F.3d at 4
      1191, a punitive or criminal contempt sanctions award – even a
    5   minor one – should be supported by a finding that the contemnor
    6   violated the court’s order intentionally or in bad faith.      See
    7   
    Perry, 759 F.2d at 705
    ; see also Zambrano v. City of Tustin,
    8   
    885 F.2d 1473
    , 1482 (9th Cir. 1989).   Here, the bankruptcy court
    9   referred to Faden’s violation of the discharge injunction as
    10   “willful,” “egregious,” “blatant” and in “calous [sic] disregard”
    11   of the discharge order, but the bankruptcy court did not find
    12   that the discharge injunction violation was either intentional or
    13   in bad faith.
    14        There are a handful of other questions that a bankruptcy
    15   court ordinarily should answer before imposing a noncompensatory
    16   fine as a remedy for violation of the court’s order.     See
    17   
    Zambrano, 885 F.2d at 1480
    .   These factors include: (1) whether
    18   the fine is consistent with applicable statutes and rules;
    19   (2) whether the fine is necessary to support the proper
    20   functioning of the court; (3) whether the fine is proportionate
    21   to the offense; and (4) whether the fine is consistent with the
    22   interests of justice.   Id.; accord, In re 1601 W. Sunnyside Dr.
    23   #106, LLC, 
    2010 WL 5481080
    , at *6-7 (Bankr. D. Idaho 2010).      We
    24   are not saying that explicit findings on these questions are
    25   necessary every time the bankruptcy court imposes a non-
    26   compensatory fine, but we are saying that the absence here of
    27   explicit findings addressing these issues further calls into
    28   question whether the bankruptcy court intended to impose a minor
    25
    1   punitive sanction or a compensatory civil contempt sanction.
    2        In sum, we cannot tell from the bankruptcy court’s
    3   memorandum decision or the entirety of the record whether the
    4   bankruptcy court intended the $7,616 in sanctions to be a
    5   compensatory civil contempt sanctions award or a minor punitive
    6   contempt sanctions award.   Either way, there are a number factors
    7   that ordinarily must be considered.   Because there is
    8   insufficient indication in the court’s memorandum decision that
    9   it implicitly addressed these factors, we cannot uphold the
    10   $7,616 in sanctions as either a compensatory civil contempt
    11   sanctions award or as a minor punitive contempt sanctions award.
    12        The bankruptcy court needs to make sufficient findings to
    13   support its ruling, and when there are insufficient findings, we
    14   must vacate and remand for further findings.   Veal v. Am. Home
    15   Mortg. Servicing, Inc. (In re Veal), 
    450 B.R. 897
    , 919-20 (9th
    16   Cir. BAP 2011).   On remand, the bankruptcy court will be free to
    17   re-open the record to address the issues we have referenced in
    18   this decision, or the bankruptcy court may address them without
    19   reopening the record.   The bankruptcy court also may choose to
    20   adjust its sanctions award either upwards or downwards depending
    21   on what its findings support.
    22        The only remaining issue that we must address is the sole
    23   issue raised in the Segals’ cross-appeal.   The Segals contend
    24   that the bankruptcy court erred when it ruled that Judith was not
    25   entitled to emotional distress damages.   Neither party disputes
    26   on appeal the bankruptcy court’s holding that a court may award
    27   emotional distress damages as an element of a compensatory civil
    28   contempt sanctions award.   See Dawson v. Washington Mutual Bank
    26
    1   (In re Dawson), 
    390 F.3d 1139
    , 1148 (9th Cir. 2004).    Nor does
    2   either party dispute that, in proving up an emotional distress
    3   claim, an individual must:
    4        (1) suffer significant harm, (2) clearly establish the
    significant harm, and (3) demonstrate a causal
    5        connection between that significant harm and the
    violation of the automatic stay (as distinct, for
    6        instance, from the anxiety and pressures inherent in
    the bankruptcy process).
    7
    8   
    Id. at 1149
    (emphasis added).    The Segals take issue with the
    9   bankruptcy court’s finding that Judith’s emotional distress was
    10   not caused by Faden’s violative conduct – the filing of the
    11   cross-complaint.
    12        A party seeking compensatory damages for contempt must
    13   demonstrate that those damages occurred as a result of the
    14   contumacious conduct.   Gen. Signal 
    Corp., 787 F.2d at 1380
    ;
    15   
    Shuffler, 720 F.2d at 1148
    ; see also In re 
    Dawson, 390 F.3d at 16
      1150 (stating that the causal link between the emotional distress
    17   and the contumacious conduct must be “clearly established or
    18   readily apparent”).   Some courts have stated the causation rule
    19   even more emphatically, effectively holding that compensatory
    20   contempt sanctions are limited to damages directly resulting from
    21   the contumacious conduct.    See, e.g., Valdez v. Kismet
    22   Acquisition, LLC, 
    474 B.R. 907
    , 922-23 (S.D. Cal. 2012), aff’d,
    23   567 Fed. Appx. 517 (9th Cir. 2014); Lovell v. Evergreen
    24   Resources, Inc., 
    1995 WL 761269
    , at *3 (N.D. Cal. 1995).
    25        It suffices for us to say that the record supports the
    26   bankruptcy court’s finding that the Segals did not adequately
    27   demonstrate the required causal link between Judith’s emotional
    28   distress and Faden’s violative conduct.    While the court
    27
    1   generally credited the Segals’ testimony regarding Judith’s
    2   emotional distress, the court ultimately inferred from the facts
    3   in the record that Faden’s violative conduct did not cause
    4   Judith’s emotional distress.     We cannot say that this inference
    5   was illogical, implausible or without support in the record.
    6   In re 
    Retz, 606 F.3d at 1196
    .8
    7        Citing California Supreme Court decisions and the
    8   Restatement of the Law of Torts, the Segals assert that the
    9   bankruptcy court misapplied causation doctrine.    However, we are
    10   not dealing with a state law issue or a tort issue.    We are
    11   dealing with a creditor’s failure to comply with federal law and
    12   a bankruptcy court’s order.    None of the cases we have cited
    13   herein have looked to state law or tort law to resolve questions
    14   concerning causation and damages arising from contempt of court.
    15   Nor are we aware of any federal cases doing so.    See generally
    16   Henry v. Assocs. Equity Home Servs. (In re Henry), 
    266 B.R. 457
    ,
    17   480 (Bankr. C.D. Cal. 2001) (holding that contempt proceedings
    18   are not equivalent to tort actions for purposes of determining
    19   damages).
    20        In short, we disagree with the Segals’ causation argument,
    21   and we decline their invitation to apply California Supreme court
    22   precedent and the common law of torts to a federal proceeding
    23   concerning contempt of court.
    24                                 CONCLUSION
    25        For the reasons set forth above we AFFIRM the bankruptcy
    26
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    27         And given our concerns about the existence of any discharge
    violation as to Judith, we also note that any error in the
    28   court's causation analysis would be harmless.
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    2   damages.   However, we VACATE the bankruptcy court’s sanctions
    3   award and REMAND for further findings on that issue.
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    1   Taylor, Bankruptcy Judge, concurring:
    2        I concur in the result reached by the Panel.   I write
    3   separately, however, because I do not question the basis for the
    4   bankruptcy court's sanction award.    A bankruptcy court may award
    5   attorney’s fees as part of a civil contempt sanction award for
    6   violation of the discharge injunction.   See Walls v. Wells Fargo
    7   Bank, N.A., 
    276 F.3d 502
    , 507 (9th Cir. 2002) (“[C]ompensatory
    8   civil contempt allows an aggrieved debtor to obtain compensatory
    9   damages, attorneys fees, and the offending creditor’s compliance
    10   with the discharge injunction.”) (emphasis added); Nash v. Clark
    11   Cnty. Dist. Attys’ Office (In re Nash), 
    464 B.R. 874
    , 880 (9th
    12   Cir. BAP 2012) (“If a bankruptcy court finds that a party has
    13   willfully violated the discharge injunction, the court may award
    14   actual damages, punitive damages and attorney’s fees to the
    15   debtor.”) (emphasis added).   Based on Walls and Nash, a
    16   bankruptcy court appropriately may award attorney’s fees as an
    17   independent sanction for a discharge injunction violation, even
    18   in the rare absence of actual damages.
    19        Here, based on the bankruptcy court’s comments at the
    20   hearing, I firmly believe that it appropriately awarded
    21   attorney’s fees to Segal as a sanction against Faden and that it
    22   was not a purely punitive sanction.   Nonetheless, I also agree
    23   that an award of attorney’s fees must be reasonable.   Given that
    24   some of the attorney’s fees were incurred in connection with
    25   Judith’s emotional distress claim, remand is necessary so that
    26   the bankruptcy court may conduct a reasonableness analysis.
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