Project Veritas Action Fund v. Rollins ( 2020 )


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  •           United States Court of Appeals
    For the First Circuit
    Nos. 19-1586, 19-1640
    PROJECT VERITAS ACTION FUND,
    Plaintiff, Appellee / Cross-Appellant,
    v.
    RACHAEL S. ROLLINS, in her official capacity as
    District Attorney for Suffolk County,
    Defendant, Appellant / Cross-Appellee.
    No. 19-1629
    K. ERIC MARTIN & RENÉ PÉREZ,
    Plaintiffs, Appellees,
    v.
    RACHAEL S. ROLLINS, in her official capacity as
    District Attorney for Suffolk County,
    Defendant, Appellant,
    WILLIAM G. GROSS, in his official capacity as
    Police Commissioner for the City of Boston,
    Defendant.
    APPEALS FROM THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
    FOR THE DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS
    [Hon. Patti B. Saris, U.S. District Judge]
    Before
    Barron, Circuit Judge,
    Souter,* Associate Justice,
    and Selya, Circuit Judge.
    Eric A. Haskell, Assistant Attorney General of Massachusetts,
    with whom Maura Healey, Attorney General of Massachusetts, was on
    brief, for Appellant/Cross-Appellee Rachael S. Rollins.
    Benjamin T. Barr, with whom Steve Klein and Statecraft PLLC
    were on brief, for Appellee/Cross-Appellant Project Veritas.
    Jessie J. Rossman, with whom Matthew R. Segal, American Civil
    Liberties Union Foundation of Massachusetts, Inc., William D.
    Dalsen, and Proskauer Rose LLP were on brief, for Appellees K.
    Eric Martin and René Pérez.
    Adam Schwartz and Sophia Cope on brief for Electronic Frontier
    Foundation, amicus curiae.
    Bruce D. Brown, Katie Townsend, Josh R. Moore, Shannon A.
    Jankowski, Dan Krockmalnic, David Bralow, Kurt Wimmer, Covington
    & Burling LLP, Joshua N. Pila, James Cregan, Tonda F. Rush, Mickey
    H. Osterreicher, Robert A. Bertsche, Prince Lobel Tye LLP, David
    McCraw, Elizabeth C. Koch, Ballard Spahr LLP, D. Victoria
    Baranetsky, Bruce W. Sanford, Mark I. Bailen, and Baker & Hostetler
    LLP on brief for The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press;
    The American Society of Magazine Editors; Boston Globe Media
    Partners, LLC; First Look Media Works, Inc.; The Media Institute;
    Meredith Corporation; MPA - The Association of Magazine Media;
    National Freedom of Information Coalition; National Newspaper
    Association; National Press Photographers Association; New England
    First Amendment Coalition; The New York Times Company; Politico,
    LLC; Reveal from the Center for Investigative Reporting; Society
    of Environmental Journalists; Society of Professional Journalists;
    and Tully Center for Free Speech, amici curiae.
    Oren N. Nimni and Lauren A. Sampson on brief for Lawyers for
    Civil Rights, Center for Constitutional Rights, and LatinoJustice
    PRLDEF, amici curiae.
    Nicolas Y. Riley and Robert D. Friedman on brief for Institute
    for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection, amicus curiae.
    * Hon. David H. Souter, Associate Justice (Ret.) of the
    Supreme Court of the United States, sitting by designation.
    December 15, 2020
    BARRON, Circuit Judge.     Massachusetts, like other states
    concerned about the threat to privacy that commercially available
    electronic eavesdropping devices pose, makes it a crime to record
    another person's words secretly and without consent.              But, unlike
    other   concerned    states,    Massachusetts   does     not    recognize   any
    exceptions based on whether that person has an expectation of
    privacy in what is recorded.          See 
    Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 272, § 99
    ("Section 99").      As a result, Massachusetts makes it as much a
    crime for a civic-minded observer to use a smartphone to record
    from a safe distance what is said during a police officer's
    mistreatment of a civilian in a city park as it is for a revenge-
    seeker to hide a tape recorder under the table at a private home
    to capture a conversation with an ex-spouse.             The categorical and
    sweeping nature of Section 99 gives rise to the important questions
    under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution that
    the challenges that underlie the consolidated appeals before us
    present.
    The first appeal that we address stems from a 2016 suit
    filed   in   the   District    of   Massachusetts   by    two   civil   rights
    activists in Boston -- K. Eric Martin and René Pérez ("the Martin
    Plaintiffs").       They allege that Section 99 violates the First
    Amendment insofar as it criminalizes the secret, nonconsensual
    audio recording of police officers discharging their official
    duties in public spaces.        The other appeal that we address stems
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    from a suit filed in that same year in that same district -- and
    eventually resolved by the same district court judge -- by Project
    Veritas Action Fund ("Project Veritas"), which is a national media
    organization dedicated to "undercover investigative journalism."
    Project Veritas's suit targets Section 99 insofar as it
    bans the secret, nonconsensual audio recording of any government
    official discharging official duties in public spaces, as well as
    insofar as it bans such recording of any person who does not have
    a reasonable expectation of privacy in what is recorded.           Project
    Veritas also alleges that Section 99 must be struck down in its
    entirety pursuant to the First Amendment doctrine of overbreadth.
    We affirm the District Court's grant of summary judgment
    to the Martin Plaintiffs, based on its ruling that Section 99
    violates    the    First   Amendment   by     prohibiting   the    secret,
    nonconsensual audio recording of police officers discharging their
    official duties in public spaces.           We also affirm the District
    Court's    order   dismissing   Project     Veritas's   First     Amendment
    overbreadth challenge for failing to state a claim on which relief
    may be granted.       However, we vacate on ripeness grounds the
    District Court's order dismissing with prejudice Project Veritas's
    First Amendment challenge to Section 99 insofar as that statute
    prohibits the secret, nonconsensual audio recording of individuals
    who lack an expectation of privacy in what is recorded.            For the
    same reason, we vacate the District Court's grant of summary
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    judgment to Project Veritas on its claim that Section 99 violates
    the First Amendment insofar as that statute bars the secret,
    nonconsensual audio recording of government officials discharging
    their duties in public.        We remand the claims asserting these two
    latter challenges to the District Court with instructions to
    dismiss    them   without   prejudice        for    lack    of    subject   matter
    jurisdiction.
    I.
    We begin by reviewing the background that led to the
    enactment of Section 99, its key terms, and the way that the
    Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts ("the SJC") construes
    them.    We then describe the travel of the two cases.
    A.
    In 1964, Massachusetts created a commission to study
    whether    to     strengthen    the    Commonwealth's            prohibitions   on
    electronic eavesdropping.       The commission issued its final report
    in June of 1968, which found "that eavesdropping devices are
    readily available to members of the public from commercially
    available stores" and that these devices make it quite easy for
    even laypeople to use them "for purposes of illegally intercepting
    wire or oral communications."         Report of the Special Commission on
    Electronic Eavesdropping, 1968 Mass. Sen. Doc. No. 1132, at 6
    ("1968    Commission    Report").           The    report    recommended     "that
    wiretapping     and   eavesdropping        other   than     by   law   enforcement
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    officers should be strictly prohibited," and it proposed the
    adoption    of   an   "'all-party          consent'        provision,"      "which      would
    require the consent of all parties to a conversation before that
    conversation     could        be    recorded         or    otherwise     electronically
    'intercepted.'"       
    Id. at 9, 11
    .
    A month later, the Massachusetts legislature enacted
    Section 99, which states in its preamble "that the uncontrolled
    development and unrestricted use of modern electronic surveillance
    devices pose grave dangers to the privacy of all citizens of the
    commonwealth."        
    Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 272, § 99
    (A).                      The measure
    goes on to make it a crime for "any person" to "willfully commit[]
    an interception, attempt[] to commit an interception, or procure[]
    any other person to commit an interception or to attempt to commit
    an    interception     of     any    wire       or    oral       communication."          
    Id.
    § 99(C)(1).
    Section      99      defines    a    "wire       communication"        as    "any
    communication     made      in     whole    or   in       part    through    the    use    of
    facilities for the transmission of communications by the aid of
    wire, cable, or other like connection between the point of origin
    and   the   point     of      reception."            Id.    § 99(B)(1).        An       "oral
    communication" is defined as "speech, except such speech as is
    transmitted over the public air waves by radio or other similar
    device."    Id. § 99(B)(2).           The term "interception" is defined as
    follows:    "to secretly hear, secretly record, or aid another to
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    secretly hear or secretly record the contents of any wire or oral
    communication through the use of any intercepting device by any
    person other than a person given prior authority by all parties to
    such communication."        Id. § 99(B)(4).
    B.
    Roughly a decade after Section 99's enactment, the SJC
    construed the measure in Commonwealth v. Jackson, 
    349 N.E.2d 337
    (Mass. 1976), which concerned, among other things, whether audio
    recordings of a kidnapper's ransom calls had been made in violation
    of Section 99.      
    Id. at 339
    .      In holding that they had been, the
    SJC agreed that even a recording of the audio of a person who had
    no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in what was recorded could
    fall under Section 99's prohibition.          
    Id. at 340
    .
    The      SJC   explained   that     if   it    "were   to   interpret
    'secretly'    as    encompassing     only    those      situations    where   an
    individual has a reasonable expectation of privacy," it "would
    render meaningless the Legislature's careful choice of words" in
    Section 99.     
    Id.
          The SJC concluded that a nonconsensual audio
    recording is made "secretly" -- and thus in violation of Section
    99 -- if the person recorded does not have "actual knowledge of
    the recording."       
    Id.
       The SJC added that actual knowledge of the
    recording could be "proved where there are clear and unequivocal
    objective manifestations of knowledge."            
    Id.
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    Some years later, in Commonwealth v. Hyde, 
    750 N.E.2d 963
     (Mass. 2001), the SJC again held that Section 99 did not
    impliedly exempt recordings of audio of persons who lacked an
    expectation of privacy in what was recorded.                   
    Id. at 965-66
    .     This
    time, unlike in Jackson, the issue arose in connection with a
    prosecution for a violation of Section 99 itself.                       In the case,
    the criminal defendant had been charged with violating that statute
    for having recorded the audio of his encounter with police --
    without the officers' knowledge -- during a traffic stop.                       
    Id. at 964-65
    .    The defendant moved to dismiss the criminal complaint
    against him on the ground that Section 99 did not apply to
    recordings of "police officers . . . performing official police
    duties."      
    Id. at 965
    .      In    such    a    situation,    the   defendant
    contended, the officers "had no privacy expectations in their
    words,    and,    as    a    result,       their   conversation       should   not    be
    considered 'oral communication' within the statute."                     
    Id.
    The SJC affirmed the denial of the defendant's motion by
    explaining       that       "[t]he     statute      is     carefully     worded      and
    unambiguous, and lists no exception for a private individual who
    secretly records the oral communications of public officials."
    
    Id. at 966
    .      For that reason, the SJC held, "the plain language of
    the   statute     accurately         states   the       Legislature's   intent"      and
    nothing in that language "would protect, on the basis of privacy
    rights, the recording that occurred here," regardless of "[t]he
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    value   of    obtaining       probative    evidence     of   occasional       official
    misconduct."        
    Id. at 966-69
    .
    The    SJC     emphasized    that     "[t]he       commission    clearly
    designed      the    1968     amendments    to     create    a    more   restrictive
    electronic surveillance statute than comparable statutes in other
    States."      
    Id. at 967
    .          In fact, the SJC explained, to permit the
    recording "on the ground that public officials are involved" would
    necessarily         permit    the     secret,     nonconsensual      recording     "of
    virtually every encounter or meeting between a person and a public
    official,      whether       the     meeting . . .      is   stressful . . .        or
    nonstressful (like a routine meeting between a parent and a teacher
    in a public school to discuss a good student's progress)."                      
    Id. at 970
    .    "The door once opened would be hard to close, and the result
    would contravene the statute's broad purpose and the Legislature's
    clear prohibition of all secret interceptions and recordings by
    private citizens."           
    Id.
    Hyde did note, however, that "[t]he problem . . . could
    have been avoided if, at the outset of the traffic stop, the
    defendant had simply informed the police of his intention to tape
    record the encounter, or even held the tape recorder in plain
    sight."      
    Id. at 971
     (emphasis added).           In this way, Hyde clarified
    Jackson's      prior       holding     about     what   constituted      "secretly"
    recording under Section 99.
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    The dissenting opinion in Hyde asserted that neither
    Section 99's text nor its legislative history indicated "that the
    Legislature had in mind outlawing the secret tape recording of a
    public exchange between a police officer and a citizen."                  
    Id. at 974
       (Marshall,   C.J.,    dissenting).       To   support   this    narrower
    understanding of the measure, the dissent offered an example that
    remains all too relevant today.             It claimed that, under the
    majority's ruling, George Holliday "would have been exposed to
    criminal indictment rather than lauded for exposing an injustice,"
    if his then-recent recording of Rodney King's beating at the hands
    of police officers in Los Angeles, California had taken place in
    Massachusetts.     
    Id. at 972
    .
    The majority responded that "[t]here is no basis to
    ignore the plain language and legislative history" of Section 99,
    "or our case law interpreting it, in favor of speculation as to
    how an imaginary scenario might have played out, had the Rodney
    King episode occurred in Massachusetts and not in California."
    
    Id. at 971
    .    The majority did assert, though, that "[a]lthough the
    Rodney King videotape visually captured the conduct of the police
    officers'     [beating     of]   King,   the   recording      was    virtually
    inaudible,    until   electronic     enhancements     filtered      the    audio
    portion to allow the actual commands of the police officers to be
    heard."   
    Id.
     at 971 n.11.
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    C.
    The appeals before us arise from two different suits
    that challenge Section 99.           But, while these suits ultimately
    intersected    below,   it    is   useful     to    describe     their    travel
    separately.
    1.
    On June 30, 2016, Martin and Pérez filed suit in the
    United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts
    against the Commissioner of the Boston Police Department ("BPD
    Commissioner")   and    the   District      Attorney   for      Suffolk    County
    ("District Attorney") in their official capacities.               We will refer
    to the BPD Commissioner and the District Attorney collectively as
    "the Defendants."
    The Martin Plaintiffs' complaint alleges that they are
    civil rights activists who have regularly and openly recorded the
    audio of police officers without their consent as they discharge
    their official duties in public.          Their complaint alleges that the
    Martin Plaintiffs would like to undertake that same type of
    recording   secretly    but   fear    doing    so    due   to    the     criminal
    prohibition that Section 99 imposes.                The Martin Plaintiffs'
    complaint alleges that others have been prosecuted by the District
    Attorney for such recording and that the BPD's "official training
    materials," including a "Training Bulletin" and "training video"
    distributed to police cadets in 2010, "instruct officers that they
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    may   arrest    and    seek   charges      against   private       individuals    who
    secretly   record      police      officers      performing    their    duties     in
    public."
    Based on these allegations, the complaint claims that
    Section 99 "as applied to secretly recording police officers
    engaged in their official duties in public places, violates the
    First    Amendment       by     causing      Plaintiffs       to     refrain     from
    constitutionally        protected       information     gathering"       and     from
    "encouraging,     or    aiding     other    individuals   to       secretly    record
    police conduct in public."              The complaint requests "declaratory
    and injunctive relief under 
    42 U.S.C. § 1983
     and the First and
    Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution" on the
    ground   that   Section       99   is   unconstitutional      when     "applied    to
    prohibit the secret audio recording of police officers performing
    their duties in public."
    On September 30, 2016, the Defendants filed motions to
    dismiss for lack of jurisdiction under Federal Rule of Civil
    Procedure 12(b)(1) and for failure to state a claim under Federal
    Rule of Civil Procedure 12(b)(6).             In March of 2017, the District
    Court denied both motions.          Martin v. Evans, 
    241 F. Supp. 3d 276
    ,
    288 (D. Mass. 2017). Discovery proceeded for roughly a year before
    the parties filed dueling motions for summary judgment.                           The
    District Court granted summary judgment to the Martin Plaintiffs
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    on December 10, 2018.       Martin v. Gross, 
    340 F. Supp. 3d 87
    , 109
    (D. Mass. 2018).
    The   District    Court   first   rejected   the   Defendants'
    contention that the Martin Plaintiffs' First Amendment claim was
    not ripe for essentially the reasons set forth in its earlier
    ruling rejecting the Defendants' 12(b)(1) motion.             
    Id. at 103
    .
    But, the District Court added, discovery reinforced the basis for
    that earlier ruling, as the plaintiffs had "attested to their prior
    recordings of police officers" and "aver[red] that they desire to
    secretly record police officers but have refrained from doing so
    because of" Section 99, and "the defendants have sought criminal
    complaints or charged persons for violating [the statute] numerous
    times since 2011."    
    Id.
        The District Court also noted that "the
    government has not disavowed enforcement of" the statute.             
    Id.
    Accordingly, the District Court determined that the "facts give
    rise to a live controversy over genuine First Amendment injuries."
    
    Id.
    As to the merits, the District Court first addressed
    whether the Martin Plaintiffs were bringing a "facial" or "as
    applied" attack on Section 99.       The District Court explained that
    the Martin Plaintiffs' challenge targets only a slice of what
    Section 99 bans, and so in that sense was "as applied."            
    Id. at 105
    .   But, the District Court noted, the Martin Plaintiffs sought
    relief that would "block the application of Section 99 to any
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    situation involving the secret recording of police officers . . .
    performing their duties in public, not just in a specific instance
    of the plaintiffs engaging in such conduct." 
    Id.
     In that respect,
    the District Court concluded, the Martin Plaintiffs' challenge was
    facial in nature, notwithstanding that their challenge did not
    seek to invalidate Section 99 in its entirety.                
    Id.
    The   District    Court    also      explained     that    the    Martin
    Plaintiffs'    planned     recording       warranted   at     least    some   First
    Amendment   protection,      just     as    it   had   held    in     denying   the
    Defendants' motion to dismiss.             
    Id. at 96-98
    ; see Martin, 241 F.
    Supp. 3d at 287-88.        There, the District Court explained that it
    disagreed     with   the   Defendants'        contention      that    "the    First
    Amendment does not provide any right to secretly record police
    officers," as it ruled that "[e]xisting First Circuit authority"
    -- namely Glik v. Cunniffe, 
    655 F.3d 78
     (1st Cir. 2011), and
    Gericke v. Begin, 
    753 F.3d 1
     (1st Cir. 2014) -- "holds otherwise."
    Martin, 241 F. Supp. 3d at 286.
    The District Court then trained its attention on the
    level of First Amendment scrutiny that applied to Section 99's ban
    on the recording at issue.          Martin, 340 F. Supp. 3d at 105.             The
    District Court concluded that Section 99 was a content-neutral
    restriction on the time, place, or manner of the Martin Plaintiffs'
    planned speech-related activity and that, in consequence, the
    measure's prohibition was not subject to strict scrutiny.                       Id.
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    The   District    Court   went   on    to   subject   the   ban   at   issue   to
    "intermediate scrutiny," noting that although the Defendants had
    suggested that an even less demanding level of scrutiny "might"
    apply, they had not developed an argument as to why that would be
    the case.        Id. at 105-06.        In addition, the District Court
    explained that our prior precedent did not support the application
    of less than intermediate scrutiny. Id. at 106 (first citing Glik,
    
    655 F.3d at 82-84
    , then citing Jean v. Mass. State Police, 
    492 F.3d 24
    , 29 (1st Cir. 2007)).
    Finally, the District Court evaluated Section 99's ban
    on such recording under intermediate scrutiny and determined that
    -- on its face -- it could not survive review due to its sweep.
    
    Id. at 106-08
    .       Despite recognizing that, "[i]n this context,
    narrow tailoring does not require that the law be the least
    restrictive or least intrusive means of serving the government's
    interests," the District Court explained that the ban "is not
    narrowly tailored to protect a significant government interest
    when applied to law enforcement officials discharging their duties
    in a public place."       
    Id. at 106-07
    .       The District Court noted that
    Section 99 prohibits such recording even in circumstances in which
    police officers would have no expectation of privacy in what is
    recorded.    
    Id. at 108
    .     The District Court added that, given its
    analysis to that point, it "need[] not decide whether [the statute]
    leaves open adequate alternative channels for" the speech-related
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    activity at issue. 
    Id.
     (quoting Am. C.L. Union of Ill. v. Alvarez,
    
    679 F.3d 583
    , 607 (7th Cir. 2012)).
    2.
    Project Veritas brought a similar though more expansive
    First Amendment challenge to Section 99 on March 4, 2016 in the
    same federal district as the Martin Plaintiffs.              The two suits
    ultimately ended up before the same judge.           Martin, 340 F. Supp.
    3d at 92-93.     Like the Martin Plaintiffs, Project Veritas brought
    suit under 
    42 U.S.C. § 1983
    .           Project Veritas Action Fund v.
    Conley, 
    244 F. Supp. 3d 256
    , 259 (D. Mass. 2017).
    The    Defendants   moved    to    dismiss    Project   Veritas's
    complaint for lack of subject matter jurisdiction under Federal
    Rule of Civil Procedure 12(b)(1) and for failure to state a claim
    under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 12(b)(6). The District Court
    determined that it had jurisdiction under Article III of the United
    States   Constitution   over   Project       Veritas's   challenge   to   the
    statute's prohibition on the secret recording of individuals who
    lack a reasonable expectation of privacy and as to its challenge
    to the statute in its entirety.    
    Id. at 262
    .      However, the District
    Court concluded that Project Veritas's allegations that it wanted
    to use secret recording to investigate government officials were
    "too vague" to render ripe its pre-enforcement challenge to Section
    99 insofar as it banned the secret, nonconsensual audio recording
    of any such officials in public spaces, though it left Project
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    Veritas the opportunity "to replead[] more specific allegations."
    
    Id.
    With that latter challenge to Section 99 out of the way
    for the time being, the District Court took up the merits of
    Project   Veritas's       claim   that   Section    99    violated     the       First
    Amendment both "as-applied," insofar as the measure prohibited the
    secret recording of private individuals who lacked an expectation
    of privacy (though, apparently, even as to circumstances not
    involving Project Veritas's own recording), and facially under the
    First Amendment overbreadth doctrine as to the statute as a whole.
    
    Id. at 262-66
    .     The District Court rejected both contentions.                  
    Id. at 265-66
    .
    With respect to what the District Court characterized as
    Project   Veritas's       "as-applied"    challenge       --   which    concerned
    Section 99's ban on the secret, nonconsensual audio recording of
    any person lacking a reasonable expectation of privacy in what was
    recorded but not Section 99 as a whole -- it applied intermediate
    scrutiny.      
    Id. at 262-63
    .     It then rejected this challenge on the
    merits,   because    it    concluded     that   Section    99's   ban       on   such
    recording "is narrowly tailored to serve the purpose of protecting
    privacy   by    permitting    only     non-secret   recordings         of   private
    conversations," even though the statute banned secret recordings
    in circumstances where the private speaker might not have a
    reasonable expectation of privacy.              
    Id. at 265
    ; see also 
    id.
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    ("While    the     reasonable       expectation       of    privacy      standard       for
    defining    oral    communications          might     be   the     least   restrictive
    alternative, that approach is not required under intermediate
    scrutiny    when    the    privacy     of     individual      conversations        is    at
    stake.").
    There remained at that point only what the District Court
    characterized as Project Veritas's facial challenge to Section 99,
    which sought to invalidate the statute in its entirety under the
    First     Amendment      overbreadth        doctrine.         In      addressing    this
    challenge, the District Court observed that, under that doctrine,
    a plaintiff may bring a facial challenge to a statute -- under the
    First Amendment -- even "though its application in the case under
    consideration      may    be   constitutionally            unobjectionable."            
    Id.
    (quoting Forsyth County v. Nationalist Movement, 
    505 U.S. 123
    , 129
    (1992)). The District Court went on to hold, however, that Project
    Veritas's First Amendment overbreadth challenge failed because
    "[m]ost    applications        of    Section     99    are    constitutional,"           as
    "Section 99 constitutionally protects private conversations in all
    settings and conversations with government officials in nonpublic
    settings or about non-official matters."                   
    Id. at 266
    .
    In the wake of the District Court's rulings, Project
    Veritas    then    filed    an      amended    complaint         on   April   7,    2017.
    Following some further back and forth, it next filed a second
    amended complaint on September 29, 2017.                         In that complaint,
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    Project Veritas asserted that, but for Section 99, it would use or
    would have used secret recordings to:
        "investigate instances of landlords taking advantage
    of housing shortages in Boston where students may live
    in unsafe and dilapidated conditions, as well as the
    ties between these landlords and public officials";
        "investigate and report on the public controversy over
    'sanctuary cities' in Massachusetts . . . by secretly
    investigating     and     recording        interactions       with
    government officials in Boston in the discharge of
    their   duties   in    public    places,    including       police
    officers, to learn more about their concerns about
    immigration policy and deportation"; and
        "investigate and record government officials who are
    discharging their duties at or around the State House
    in Boston and other public spaces to learn about their
    motives and concerns about immigration policy and
    deportation."
    Project Veritas further alleged that, but for Section
    99,   its    "journalists     would      have    attended"    "a     large    public
    event . . . in downtown Boston" on August 19, 2017, that involved
    "[i]ndividuals and organizations from other states tied to the
    ongoing     PVA    'antifa'   investigation,"       where     they    would    have
    "secretly recorded public officials executing their duties as they
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    related to attendees."       At similar events in the future, the
    complaint added, Project Veritas planned to "employ cellular phone
    cameras and 'button cameras'" in order to "capture whether antifa
    public events and protests are peaceful, whether police or other
    public      officials'   interactions    with     antifa   members   are
    non-violent, and otherwise capture the events to report to the
    public."1
    By the summer of 2018, discovery had been conducted and
    Project Veritas, like the Martin Plaintiffs in their case, had
    filed a motion for summary judgment.     On December 10, 2018, in the
    same opinion in which the District Court granted summary judgment
    to the Martin Plaintiffs, the District Court granted Project
    Veritas's motion for summary judgment in part.       See Martin, 340 F.
    Supp. 3d at 109.
    The District Court concluded that Project Veritas had
    standing to challenge Section 99's bar to the secret, nonconsensual
    audio recording of any government official discharging official
    duties in public spaces.      Id. at 104.       The District Court also
    1
    Project Veritas's second amended complaint also
    requested that the District Court hold that the statute was
    constitutionally infirm insofar as it prohibited the secret,
    nonconsensual recording of oral communications made by any person
    speaking without a reasonable expectation of privacy. It did not
    make this request in its motion for summary judgment, however,
    partially "in recognition of the fact that the [District] Court
    ha[d] already dismissed [its] claims insofar as they pertain[ed]
    to private individuals." Martin, 340 F. Supp. 3d at 104 & n.5.
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    noted that "[t]he breadth of potential conduct" that Project
    Veritas claimed it wanted to undertake in Massachusetts, "none of
    which has actually occurred, creates serious ripeness concerns."
    Id.     But, the District Court concluded that it "need[ed] no
    additional    facts    to   resolve"   the   legal     dispute   over   Project
    Veritas's challenge to the statute's application to the secret,
    nonconsensual audio recording of government officials performing
    their duties in public places and thus that the claim was ripe.
    Id. at 103.
    Then, for largely the same reasons that led the District
    Court to grant summary judgment to the Martin Plaintiffs on their
    narrower-gauged First Amendment challenge to Section 99, it ruled
    that Project Veritas's challenge to the statute -- insofar as it
    applied to ban the secret, nonconsensual audio recording of any
    government officials discharging their duties in public -- was
    meritorious.       Just like a ban on secretly recording the audio of
    police officers without their consent while they are carrying out
    their   official     duties   in   public    places,    the   District    Court
    determined, a ban on such recording of government officials more
    generally    was    subject   to   intermediate      scrutiny    and    was   not
    "narrowly tailored to serve a significant government interest."
    Id. at 106-07 (quoting Rideout v. Gardner, 
    838 F.3d 65
    , 72 (1st
    Cir. 2016)). The District Court explained that this was so because
    the statute's total ban on such recording went far beyond merely
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    protecting       the    "diminished      privacy     interests   of    government
    officials performing their duties in public."               
    Id. at 107
    .
    3.
    Following the District Court's summary judgment rulings
    in favor of the Martin Plaintiffs and Project Veritas, the parties
    participated       in     briefing    regarding     the   injunction   that   the
    District Court would order.             But, on May 22, 2019, the District
    Court announced that it would not issue an injunction and that
    instead it would issue a declaratory judgment to the effect that
    Section 99 violated the First Amendment insofar as it barred the
    secret        recording     "of   government        officials,   including    law
    enforcement officers, performing their duties in public spaces."
    Martin v. Gross, 
    380 F. Supp. 3d 169
    , 173 (D. Mass. 2019).
    The Defendants had requested that the District Court
    narrow or specify the meaning of "government officials" and "public
    space."       
    Id. at 172
    .     They also had asked the District Court to
    alter its ruling so that Section 99 could "still [be] enforceable
    where     a     surreptitious        audio    recording    captures    the    oral
    communications of both a government official and a non-government
    official (i.e., a civilian)." 
    Id. at 173
     (emphasis omitted). But,
    the District Court declined to "reconsider" its approach at that
    "late stage in the proceedings."              
    Id.
    The District Court explained, however, that it gave the
    terms "public space" and "government official" the same meaning
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    that it understood them to have in Glik, which addressed whether
    an individual had a First Amendment right to openly record the
    audio of police officers -- without their consent -- performing
    their duties in public.         Martin, 380 F. Supp. 3d at 172-73
    (discussing Glik, 
    655 F.3d at 82-85
    ).           In addition, the District
    Court noted that in Glik, this Court found that the plaintiff had
    a First Amendment right to record police officers discharging their
    duties in public without their consent, notwithstanding the fact
    that the plaintiff captured a private citizen -- namely, the
    individual the officers were arresting -- in the process.                  
    Id. at 173
    .    The District Court consequently declined to narrow its
    declaratory judgment on that front, too.             Id.
    4.
    The District Attorney filed timely notices of appeal in
    both cases.   The BPD Commissioner did not appeal.          Project Veritas
    filed its own timely notice of appeal from the District Court's
    decision dismissing its claims that challenged Section 99, both in
    its entirety under the First Amendment overbreadth doctrine and
    insofar as it banned the secret, nonconsensual recording of any
    oral   communication    made   by   any     person    without    a    reasonable
    expectation of privacy.
    II.
    We begin with the District Attorney's appeal from the
    District   Court's     grant   of   summary     judgment    to       the   Martin
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    Plaintiffs. The District Attorney contends that the District Court
    erred in its treatment of both jurisdiction and the merits.             We
    review the District Court's ruling granting summary judgment to
    the Martin Plaintiffs de novo in determining "if the record, viewed
    in the light most favorable to the nonmoving party" evinces "no
    genuine issue of material fact," such that "the moving party is
    entitled to a judgment as a matter of law."           Zabala-De Jesus v.
    Sanofi-Aventis P.R., Inc., 
    959 F.3d 423
    , 427-28 (1st Cir. 2020)
    (quoting Iverson v. City of Boston, 
    452 F.3d 94
    , 98 (1st Cir.
    2006)).
    A.
    The   District   Attorney's      jurisdictional     objection
    concerns   ripeness.      The    ripeness   inquiry    is   grounded     in
    Article III's "prohibition against advisory opinions."         Sindicato
    Puertorriqueño de Trabajadores v. Fortuño, 
    699 F.3d 1
    , 8 (1st Cir.
    2012) (quoting Mangual v. Rotger-Sabat, 
    317 F.3d 45
    , 59 (1st Cir.
    2003)).    The requirement's "basic rationale is to prevent the
    courts,    through   avoidance   of     premature   adjudication,      from
    entangling themselves in abstract disagreements."           
    Id.
     (quoting
    Abbott Lab'ys v. Gardner, 
    387 U.S. 136
    , 148 (1967)).
    We have long used a "two-part test," derived from the
    Supreme Court's decision in Abbott Laboratories, to determine if
    a claim is ripe:
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    First, the court must consider whether the
    issue presented is fit for review.          This
    branch   of   the    test   typically   involves
    subsidiary    queries     concerning   finality,
    definiteness,    and   the    extent  to   which
    resolution of the challenge depends upon facts
    that may not yet be sufficiently developed.
    The second branch of the Abbott Labs test
    requires the court to consider the extent to
    which hardship looms -- an inquiry that
    typically "turns upon whether the challenged
    action creates a 'direct and immediate'
    dilemma for the parties."
    Ernst & Young v. Depositors Econ. Prot. Corp., 
    45 F.3d 530
    , 535
    (1st Cir. 1995) (citation omitted) (quoting W.R. Grace & Co. v.
    EPA, 
    959 F.2d 360
    , 364 (1st Cir. 1992)).
    "[W]hen free speech is at issue," however, "concerns
    over     chilling   effect    call     for    a     relaxation   of     ripeness
    requirements."      Sullivan v. City of Augusta, 
    511 F.3d 16
    , 31 (1st
    Cir. 2007).    For that reason, "[a] party need not marshal all its
    resources and march to the line of illegality to challenge a
    statute on First Amendment grounds."              Sindicato Puertorriqueño de
    Trabajadores, 699 F.3d at 9.          Still, "[t]o establish ripeness in
    a pre-enforcement context, a party must have concrete plans to
    engage    immediately   (or   nearly    so)   in     an   arguably    proscribed
    activity.     This gives a precise shape to disobedience, posing a
    specific legal question fit for judicial review."                R.I. Ass'n of
    Realtors, Inc. v. Whitehouse, 
    199 F.3d 26
    , 33 (1st Cir. 1999).
    To frame the ripeness inquiry here, it helps to describe
    the Martin Plaintiffs' challenge more precisely with respect to
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    where it falls along the facial/as-applied spectrum.           With their
    challenge so described, we then explain why we conclude that they
    have met their burden to satisfy both the fitness and hardship
    prongs under the ripeness inquiry.
    1.
    Whether a challenge is facial or as-applied can bear on
    whether it is ripe, see Kines v. Day, 
    754 F.2d 28
    , 30-31 (1st Cir.
    1985), and so it is useful to address at the outset of our
    jurisdictional analysis the parties' dispute over the proper way
    to characterize the Martin Plaintiffs' First Amendment challenge.
    The dispute arises because the Martin Plaintiffs contend that they
    are   bringing   only   "an   as-applied   claim,"   while   the   District
    Attorney contends that they are making a "facial" attack on Section
    99.
    This battle over labels is not fruitful.            The Martin
    Plaintiffs' challenge takes aim at only a portion of Section 99,
    but it seeks to block it in circumstances beyond the Martin
    Plaintiffs' own recording.         The challenge thus has both "as-
    applied" and "facial" characteristics.        There is no obvious sense
    in which one predominates.
    Fortunately, the Supreme Court has confronted similar
    half-fish, half-fowl First Amendment challenges and instructed
    that where the challengers "do[] not seek to strike [a statute] in
    all its applications" but the relief sought "reach[es] beyond the
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    particular circumstances of [the] plaintiffs," they must "satisfy
    [the] standards for a facial challenge to the extent of that
    reach."    John Doe No. 1 v. Reed, 
    561 U.S. 186
    , 194 (2010) (emphasis
    added); see also Showtime Ent., LLC v. Town of Mendon, 
    769 F.3d 61
    , 70 (1st Cir. 2014).        We thus proceed on the understanding that
    the Martin Plaintiffs seek the invalidation -- facially -- of
    Section 99 but only insofar as it applies to bar the secret,
    nonconsensual audio recording of police officers discharging their
    official duties in public spaces.
    We emphasize, though, that the Martin Plaintiffs contend
    that Section 99 is unconstitutional as applied to their own
    recording.      In   that   respect,    they   are   not   bringing   a   First
    Amendment overbreadth challenge.          Nor are they seeking, however,
    to invalidate the measure only insofar as it applies to their own
    conduct.    They are bringing a challenge to a portion of Section 99
    that they contend cannot be applied to bar such recording, whether
    undertaken by them or by anyone else, because it is not tailored
    in the way that they contend the First Amendment requires.
    With the Martin Plaintiffs' challenge now better in
    view, we are well positioned to explain why we conclude that it is
    ripe.      We   begin   with    the   question   whether    it   is   fit   for
    adjudication in federal court.             We then address whether the
    hardship prong of the ripeness inquiry has been met.             In doing so,
    we are mindful of the Supreme Court's observation in Susan B.
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    Anthony List v. Driehaus, 
    573 U.S. 149
     (2014), that the notion
    that certain ripeness considerations are more prudential than
    constitutional "is in some tension" with the Court's admonition
    that "'a federal court's obligation to hear and decide' cases
    within its jurisdiction 'is virtually unflagging.'"                   
    Id. at 167
    (quoting Lexmark Int'l, Inc. v. Static Control Components, Inc.,
    
    572 U.S. 118
    , 125-26 (2014)).                But, because, as there, "the
    'fitness' and 'hardship' factors are easily satisfied here," 
    id.,
    we conclude the claim is ripe for our adjudication.
    2.
    Starting   with       fitness,    we     discern   no    problematic
    uncertainty as to the category of public officials whom the
    plaintiffs wish to record.         Nor does the District Attorney suggest
    that the group of public officials encompassed by the phrase
    "police officers" is defined in terms that are too uncertain to
    permit federal court review.
    The   District    Attorney       does    argue   that    there    is    a
    problematic degree of uncertainty as to the locations in which the
    recording   of    police    officers    would       occur,   which   the     Martin
    Plaintiffs identify as "public spaces."                 But, we do not agree.
    The   Seventh     Circuit    in    American     Civil    Liberties     Union       of
    Illinois v. Alvarez held that a pre-enforcement First Amendment
    challenge to a ban on the audio recording of police officers
    discharging their duties in such places was justiciable.                679 F.3d
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    at   594.      Yet,   the   plaintiffs'   recording   plan    there   was   not
    materially more detailed in describing the locations in which the
    recording would occur.        See 
    id. at 593-94
    .
    Indeed,   the   concern     that   "public    spaces"   is    too
    amorphous a category is mitigated here by the fact that we used
    that same phrase in Glik and Gericke to describe the geographical
    bounds of the citizen's right to record police officers that we
    recognized there.       Glik, 
    655 F.3d at 84-85
    ; Gericke, 753 F.3d at
    8.   Our cases have fleshed out the contours of that category by
    specifying that it includes traditional public fora, such as public
    parks like the Boston Common (which was the site of the recording
    in Glik, 
    655 F.3d at 84
    ); the sites of traffic stops, including
    those that occur on the sides of roads, see Gericke, 753 F.3d at
    8 (recognizing the attempted recording of a traffic stop conducted
    on a highway as falling within the First Amendment right to record
    law enforcement discharging their duties in "public spaces"); and
    other "inescapably" public spaces, id. at 7, such as the location
    of the recording that occurred in Iacobucci v. Boulter, 
    193 F.3d 14
     (1st Cir. 1999), which concerned a journalist's arrest for
    openly      recording   members   "of   the   Pembroke     Historic   District
    Commission" that were having a conversation in "the hallway" of
    the town hall immediately following an open public meeting, 
    id. at 17-18
    .
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    Adding still further definition to the geographic scope
    of the recording plan is the fact that -- despite the District
    Attorney's contention to the contrary, see District Att'y's Br. at
    39 -- we, like the District Court, see Martin, 380 F. Supp. 3d at
    172-73, understand the Martin Plaintiffs to be using the phrase
    "public    spaces"       as    Glik   and    Gericke       did,   and   neither   case,
    explicitly or implicitly, held that publicly accessible private
    property fell within the scope of "public spaces" for purposes of
    the right to record.
    Finally, we discern no problematic uncertainty as to the
    nature    of     the   police    activities         that   the    Martin   Plaintiffs'
    challenge targets.            Because the record suffices to show that the
    recording for which protection is sought is of police officers
    only in "public spaces," the range of police conduct at issue here
    is no mystery, just as it was not in Alvarez, given that the
    conduct consists only of the discharge of official functions.                       See
    
    679 F.3d at 593-94
    .
    The Martin Plaintiffs do seek protection for "secretly"
    rather than openly recording, however, and that does make their
    challenge different from the one involved in Alvarez.                      See 
    id. at 607
    .      But,    that    feature     of    their     challenge     does   not    create
    uncertainty as to whether Section 99 creates a risk that the Martin
    Plaintiffs would be prosecuted for engaging in such recording.
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    As we have explained, the SJC has construed Section 99
    to encompass recording not conducted in "plain sight" of the person
    recorded, so long as that person has no actual knowledge it is
    occurring.    See Hyde, 750 N.E.2d at 971.   So, insofar as the record
    suffices to show that Section 99 is enforced, there is nothing
    about the nature of the recording of the kind in which the Martin
    Plaintiffs plan to engage that, legally, insulates it from such
    enforcement.
    Nor does the fact that the recording will be carried out
    secretly make the range of police activities that, in principle,
    is subject to the recording different from the range of such
    activities that was at issue in Alvarez.       Those activities -- as
    described by the Martin Plaintiffs -- are only ones that officers
    engage in while carrying out their official duties and then only
    while they are doing so in public spaces.
    The District Attorney counters that precisely because
    the recording at issue will be conducted secretly, there is a
    "discrepancy . . . between the facts needed to adjudicate [the
    Martin Plaintiffs'] claim[] and the facts actually presented by
    [them]."     As she sees it, courts have previously recognized "a
    right to openly record" police discharging official duties in
    public places but only in cases with well-developed factual records
    and, save for Alvarez, only ex post.
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    The District Attorney contends that a determination as
    to whether "a right to surreptitiously record" warrants the same
    protection as a right to record openly "is even more likely to
    depend on the factual circumstances surrounding the recording," in
    terms of where it occurs, whose audio is recorded, and how the
    fact of the recording is concealed.             She asserts in this regard
    that the Martin Plaintiffs have "failed to present the kind of
    concrete   facts   about      any   prospective   surreptitious    recording
    [they] plan[] to make" that would make it possible for "a court to
    adjudicate    their   novel    claims   without    resort   to   speculation,
    abstraction, and hypothetical facts."           That the Martin Plaintiffs
    acknowledge that they may end up capturing the audio of private
    persons who interact with the police officers whom they record,
    the District Attorney suggests, exacerbates the concern.
    It is true that, "[e]ven though a challenged statute is
    sure to work the injury alleged," there may be cases in which
    "adjudication might be postponed until 'a better factual record
    might be available.'"      Babbitt v. United Farm Workers Nat'l Union,
    
    442 U.S. 289
    , 300 (1979) (quoting Reg'l Rail Reorganization Act
    Cases, 
    419 U.S. 102
    , 143 (1974)).             But, this case is not one of
    them.
    We do not need a more fully developed record to assess
    the merits of the Martin Plaintiffs' purely legal assertion that,
    under our decisions in Glik and Gericke, a criminal statute can
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    constitutionally bar their planned First Amendment activity only
    if that activity would interfere with police officers performing
    their public duties or could be supported by a legitimate interest.
    Nor do we need additional factual development to be able to assess
    the purely legal question that concerns the level of scrutiny that
    applies to a ban on recording of this kind.   See Susan B. Anthony
    List, 573 U.S. at 167 (finding that the challenge was ripe where
    it "present[ed] an issue that [was] 'purely legal, and [would] not
    be clarified by further factual development'" (quoting Thomas v.
    Union Carbide Agric. Prods. Co., 
    473 U.S. 568
    , 581 (1985)));
    Whitehouse, 
    199 F.3d at 34
     (concluding that the claim was ripe
    because it presented a "single, purely legal question"); see also
    Commodity Trend Serv. v. Commodity Futures Trading Comm'n, 
    149 F.3d 679
    , 687 n.3 (7th Cir. 1998) ("[A] facial constitutional
    challenge presents only a legal issue -- the quintessentially 'fit'
    issue for present judicial resolution . . . .").
    There also is no need for additional factual development
    for us to be able to assess the merits of the Martin Plaintiffs'
    assertion that the categorical prohibition that Section 99 places
    on the recording for which they seek protection is, on its face,
    too uncalibrated to survive such First Amendment review.    We may
    assess that contention on this record, taking due account of both
    the fact that third parties may be recorded and that secret
    recording can take many forms.   For while those features bear on
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    the merits of the Martin Plaintiffs' challenge, they do not render
    the contention that the ban at issue is overly broad unfit for
    resolution in federal court.
    Indeed, insofar as the District Attorney posits that the
    way to develop a better record would be for the Martin Plaintiffs
    to first violate the statute, the suggested approach is itself
    problematic.     It runs headlong into the Supreme Court's consistent
    admonition that we avoid putting First Amendment plaintiffs to the
    stark choice of having their speech chilled or committing a crime.
    See, e.g., Babbitt, 
    442 U.S. at 298
     ("When the plaintiff has
    alleged an intention to engage in a course of conduct arguably
    affected with a constitutional interest, but proscribed by a
    statute,   and   there   exists      a    credible      threat   of   prosecution
    thereunder, he 'should not be required to await and undergo a
    criminal   prosecution    as   the       sole   means    of   seeking   relief.'"
    (quoting Doe v. Bolton, 
    410 U.S. 179
    , 188 (1973))); Dombrowski v.
    Pfister, 
    380 U.S. 479
    , 486 (1965) ("Because of the sensitive nature
    of constitutionally protected expression, we have not required
    that all of those subject to overbroad regulations risk prosecution
    to test their rights.").
    3.
    If we shift our focus to the hardship prong of the
    ripeness inquiry, we also see no reason to conclude that there is
    a ripeness problem.      Section 99 plainly makes it a crime to engage
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    in the type of recording that the Martin Plaintiffs seek to
    undertake.       In fact, the District Attorney does not dispute that
    point.    Nor has the District Attorney "convincingly demonstrate[d]
    that the statute is moribund or that it simply will not be
    enforced."       N.H. Right to Life Pol. Action Comm. v. Gardner, 
    99 F.3d 8
    , 16 (1st Cir. 1996).       Indeed, Section 99 has been enforced
    in the not-too-distant past.        Martin, 340 F. Supp. 3d at 93-94.
    Thus, the Martin Plaintiffs have met their burden at this stage of
    the proceedings to establish that it is "highly probable that
    [they] will at some point find [themselves] either in violation
    of" Section 99 "or be forced to self-censor."           N.H. Right to Life
    Pol. Action Comm., 
    99 F.3d at 16
    ; see also Alvarez, 
    679 F.3d at 588, 592
     (finding no Article III bar where the plaintiff explained
    that "because of a credible fear of prosecution, it ha[d] not
    followed through on its [recording] program," where the "statute
    plainly prohibit[ed] the [plaintiffs'] proposed audio recording,"
    and where "[t]he statute [had] not fallen into disuse").
    4.
    The District Attorney does point to various precedents
    that     she    contends   demonstrate    that   the   Martin   Plaintiffs'
    challenge is too unformed to satisfy either the fitness or the
    hardship prongs of the ripeness inquiry.          But, those authorities,
    if anything, suggest the opposite.
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    The District Attorney first points to the portion of
    Babbitt    in   which    the   Supreme     Court    found    a     First   Amendment
    challenge to a state law denying labor organizers access to
    farmworkers on privately owned property not ripe because the
    challenge "depend[ed] inextricably upon the attributes of the
    situs involved."          
    442 U.S. at 304
    .           But, while the District
    Attorney   contends      the   same   is     the   case    here,    the    Court   was
    concerned there that only certain privately owned places to which
    the   plaintiffs    might      be   denied    access      would    be   sufficiently
    analogous to the company town in Marsh v. Alabama, 
    326 U.S. 501
    (1946), to trigger First Amendment constraints at all.                      Babbitt,
    
    442 U.S. at 304
    .        Here, by contrast, the Martin Plaintiffs seek to
    engage in recording only in those "public spaces" that we have
    identified as ones in which First Amendment constraints were
    triggered.      See Gericke, 753 F.3d at 8-9; Glik, 
    655 F.3d at 82
    .
    The District Attorney's reliance on Renne v. Geary, 
    501 U.S. 312
     (1991), is also misplaced.                In that case, the ripeness
    problem arose from the fact that there was "no factual record of
    an actual or imminent application" of the challenged state law
    measure against the plaintiffs.              
    Id. at 321-22
    .        But, no similar
    reason for concern exists in this case, given the record of past
    enforcement of Section 99.
    Finally, the District Attorney relies on Kines v. Day,
    which concerned an inmate's First Amendment challenge to a prison
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    regulation restricting his access to certain publications.                      
    754 F.2d at 29
    .    But, although we found that his challenge as to how
    that   regulation    might      actually     be   applied   to    him     in    some
    unspecified future circumstance was not ripe, we addressed his
    facial challenge to that rule without questioning that it was
    properly subject to our review of the merits.               See 
    id. at 29-31
    .
    Thus, Kines offers no support to the District Attorney, as the
    Martin Plaintiffs' challenge more closely resembles the facial
    challenge in Kines that we addressed on the merits than the as-
    applied challenge that we held to be unripe in that case.                       See
    also Reed, 
    561 U.S. at 194
     (explaining that a claim can have
    "characteristics" of both a facial and an as-applied challenge but
    that it is the "relief that would follow" and not the "label" that
    "matters"); see also supra Section II.A.1.
    5.
    For these reasons, the District Court correctly ruled
    that the Martin Plaintiffs' pre-enforcement challenge satisfies
    both the "fitness" and "hardship" prongs of the test for ripeness
    under Abbott Laboratories, 
    387 U.S. at 148-49
    , and therefore
    necessarily meets the demands of Article III with respect to
    ripeness.     See Alvarez, 
    679 F.3d at 594
     ("So long as th[e]
    uncertainty does not undermine the credible threat of prosecution
    or   the   ability   of   the   court   to    evaluate   the     merits    of   the
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    plaintiff's claim in a preenforcement posture, there is no reason
    to doubt standing.").
    B.
    We move on, then, to the merits.           In taking them up, we
    first need to address whether the recording at issue -- secretly
    conducted though it is -- warrants at least some degree of First
    Amendment protection.       Because we conclude that it does, we next
    need to explicate the level of First Amendment scrutiny that
    Section 99's ban on that recording warrants.            With that analytical
    foundation in place, we then explain why we conclude that, given
    the breadth of the measure's prohibition on that kind of recording,
    it cannot survive the degree of scrutiny that we conclude we must
    apply.
    1.
    The Martin Plaintiffs challenge a restriction on their
    right to collect information rather than on their right to publish
    information that has been lawfully collected.                But, the First
    Amendment    limits   the    government        regulation   of     information
    collection, as our decisions in Glik and Gericke show.               See also
    Branzburg v. Hayes, 
    408 U.S. 665
    , 681 (1972) ("[W]ithout some
    protection for seeking out the news, freedom of the press could be
    eviscerated.").   In fact, as we next explain, those decisions show
    that the First Amendment imposes at least some restrictions on the
    government's   authority     to   bar    the   audio   recording    of   police
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    officers while they are discharging their official duties in public
    spaces.
    As    we     explained      in     Glik,    the    First     Amendment's
    protection "encompasses a range of conduct related to the gathering
    and dissemination of information."                
    655 F.3d at 82
    .         That is so,
    Glik elaborated, because "[g]athering information about government
    officials in a form that can readily be disseminated to others
    serves a cardinal First Amendment interest in protecting and
    promoting 'the free discussion of governmental affairs.'"                          
    Id.
    (quoting Mills v. Alabama, 
    384 U.S. 214
    , 218 (1966)).
    In recognizing the "particular significance" of First
    Amendment    newsgathering           rights   "with     respect    to    government,"
    moreover, Glik noted that "the state has a special incentive to
    repress opposition and often wields a more effective power of
    suppression."       
    Id.
     (quoting First Nat'l Bank v. Bellotti, 
    435 U.S. 765
    ,   777   n.11    (1978)).         Glik    explained    in     this    regard   that
    protecting    the       right   to    collect    information      about    government
    officials "not only aids in the uncovering of abuses, but also may
    have a salutary effect on the functioning of government more
    generally."       Id. at 82-83 (citation omitted).              Glik added that the
    justifications for protecting newsgathering were "particularly
    true" when it came to collecting information about "law enforcement
    officials."       Id. at 82.
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    Based on these observations, Glik held the following.
    It ruled that the federal constitutional guarantee of freedom of
    speech   protects    the   right   to    record    "government    officials,
    including law enforcement officers, in the discharge of their
    duties in a public space," id. at 85, even when the recording,
    which there involved both audio and video, is undertaken without
    the consent of the person recorded, id. at 80.
    Gericke then went on to extend Glik.             See Gericke, 753
    F.3d at 7-8.    There, the person attempting to record both audio
    and video was an individual whom the police had pulled over during
    a traffic stop, id. at 7, and thus, unlike in Glik, she was not a
    mere observer to the police encounter that was recorded but a
    participant in it.     Further distinguishing the case from Glik, the
    recording at issue in Gericke attempted to capture an encounter
    that occurred on the side of a highway rather than in a public
    park.    Id. at 3-4.   But, even though the recording was attempted
    by a person the police had stopped in a location that was hardly
    a traditional site for First Amendment expression, Gericke held
    based on Glik that the recording at issue warranted First Amendment
    protection, at least to some extent.            Id. at 7.    Indeed, Gericke
    reaffirmed Glik's broad formulation of the kind of recording that
    constituted    newsgathering   and      found   that   it   encompassed   the
    attempted recording there.     Id. at 7-9.
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    Notably, Glik and Gericke accord with the decisions of
    several of our sister circuits that similarly have held that such
    recording warrants some degree of First Amendment protection as a
    type of newsgathering.       See, e.g., Alvarez, 
    679 F.3d at 600
    (finding that the challenged eavesdropping statute "burdens speech
    and press rights" because it "interferes with the gathering and
    dissemination of information about government officials performing
    their duties in public"); Fields v. City of Philadelphia, 
    862 F.3d 353
    , 359 (3d Cir. 2017) ("[R]ecording police activity in public
    falls squarely within the First Amendment right of access to
    information."); Smith v. City of Cumming, 
    212 F.3d 1332
    , 1333 (11th
    Cir. 2000) (recognizing the First Amendment "right to gather
    information about what public officials do on public property" and
    "to record matters of public interest"); Fordyce v. City of
    Seattle, 
    55 F.3d 436
    , 442 (9th Cir. 1995) (finding a genuine
    dispute of material fact as to whether officers had interfered
    with the plaintiff's ”First Amendment right to gather news"). And,
    while some courts of appeals have held that this right to record
    is not clearly established in some contexts for purposes of
    qualified immunity, see, e.g., Kelly v. Borough of Carlisle, 
    622 F.3d 248
    , 263 (3d Cir. 2010), none has held that the right does
    not exist.
    It is true that these other cases -- like Glik and
    Gericke themselves -- concerned the open rather than the secret,
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    nonconsensual recording of police officers.     But, Glik described
    the scope of the recording activity that triggers First Amendment
    protection as a type of newsgathering capaciously as recording
    "government officials, including law enforcement officers, in the
    discharge of their duties in a public space."      
    655 F.3d at 85
    .
    Gericke then went on to use that same broad formulation, 753 F.3d
    at 9, which does not exempt secret recording.
    The logic that Glik and Gericke relied on in setting
    forth that encompassing description of First Amendment-protected
    recording of police supplies strong support for understanding it
    to encompass recording even when it is conducted "secretly," at
    least as Section 99 uses that term.    To understand why, one need
    only consider the Hyde dissent's example of the recording of the
    beating of Rodney King.
    Like the many recordings of police misconduct that have
    followed, the recording in the King case was made from a location
    unlikely to permit it to qualify as recording conducted in "plain
    sight" of those recorded, just as the dissent in Hyde emphasized.
    But, as recent events around the nation vividly illustrate, such
    undetected recording can itself serve "a cardinal First Amendment
    interest in protecting and promoting 'the free discussion of
    governmental affairs,'" and "not only aids in the uncovering of
    abuses . . . but also may have a salutary effect on the functioning
    of government more generally."   Glik, 
    655 F.3d at 82-83
     (quoting
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    Mills, 
    384 U.S. at 218
    ); cf. Fields, 862 F.3d at 359 ("Civilian
    video . . . fills the gaps created when police choose not to record
    video or withhold their footage from the public.").
    In fact, as the Martin Plaintiffs point out, audio
    recording   of   that   sort    can    sometimes    be   a   better   tool   for
    "[g]athering information about" police officers conducting their
    official duties in public, and thereby facilitating "the free
    discussion of governmental affairs" and "uncovering . . . abuses,"
    than open recording is.        See Glik, 
    655 F.3d at 82
     (quoting Mills,
    
    384 U.S. at 218
    ).       That is not only because recording undertaken
    from a distance -- and thus out of plain sight of the person
    recorded -- will often be the least likely to disrupt the police
    in carrying out their functions.               It is also because recording
    that is not conducted with the actual knowledge of the police
    officer -- even if conducted proximate to the person recorded --
    may best ensure that it occurs at all, given the allegations that
    the Martin Plaintiffs set forth about the resistance from official
    quarters that open recording sometimes generates.
    In sum, a citizen's audio recording of on-duty police
    officers' treatment of civilians in public spaces while carrying
    out their official duties, even when conducted without an officer's
    knowledge, can constitute newsgathering every bit as much as a
    credentialed reporter's after-the-fact efforts to ascertain what
    had transpired.     The circumstances in which such recording could
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    be conducted from a distance or without the officers' knowledge
    and serve the very same interest in promoting public awareness of
    the conduct of law enforcement -- with all the accountability that
    the provision of such information promotes -- are too numerous to
    permit the conclusion that recording can be prohibited in all of
    those situations without attracting any First Amendment review.
    We   thus   hold   that   the   Martin   Plaintiffs'   proposed   recording
    constitutes a type of newsgathering that falls within the scope of
    the First Amendment, even though it will be undertaken secretly
    within the meaning of Section 99.2
    2.
    That such recording qualifies as a species of protected
    newsgathering does not mean that Section 99's criminal bar against
    it necessarily violates the First Amendment.           We cautioned in Glik
    that the right to record that was recognized there "is not without
    limitations."      Id. at 84.      We thus must determine whether the
    "limitations" that Section 99 imposes on this type of recording
    -- conducted secretly as it will be -- comport with the First
    Amendment.
    Glik had "no occasion to explore those limitations"
    because the audio recording of the officers at issue there occurred
    2
    We thus need not and do not address here the possible
    bounds of this right, such as whether it includes recording via
    deceptive tactics that would affirmatively mislead officers into
    incorrectly thinking that they are not being recorded.
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    "peaceful[ly],"      from    a    "comfortable"        distance,         in    a     "public
    space," and in a manner that did "not interfere with the police
    officers' performance of their duties."                 Id.    But, although Glik
    made clear that such peaceable open recording -- which captured an
    "arrest on the Boston Common" -- was "worlds apart" from the
    recording of a "traffic stop," id. at 85, Gericke explained that
    the distinct concerns about public safety and interference with
    official duties implicated by such a stop did not, without more,
    "extinguish" the right we recognized in Glik.                      Gericke, 753 F.3d
    at 7 (discussing Glik, 
    655 F.3d at 82-83
    ).                      In fact, although
    Gericke    recognized    that     the     circumstances       of     a       given    police
    encounter "might justify a safety measure" that could incidentally
    constrain citizens' right to record, it held that "a police order
    that is specifically directed at the First Amendment right to
    [record]    police    performing        their     duties      in     public          may    be
    constitutionally     imposed       only    if    the   officer       can       reasonably
    conclude that the [recording] itself is interfering, or is about
    to interfere, with his duties."            Id. at 8.
    Gericke did recognize that the government might choose
    to regulate such recording in a more general, ex ante manner. But,
    it    concluded   that      the   government      would       need       a    "legitimate
    governmental purpose" to impose a limitation of that sort.                                 Id.
    Thus, in light of Glik and Gericke, we must decide whether either
    the    Commonwealth's        interest       in    prohibiting            conduct           that
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    "interfere[s]" with police officers' ability to carry out their
    duties or some other "legitimate governmental purpose" justifies
    Section 99's ban on the secret, nonconsensual audio recording of
    police    officers    discharging    their   official   duties     in   public
    spaces.     Id.; see also Glik, 
    655 F.3d at 84
    .
    Before answering that question, though, we must decide
    how tailored Section 99's ban on the recording here needs to be to
    the legitimate governmental interest that the Commonwealth claims
    Section 99's criminal bar against the recording at issue serves,
    whether it is the interest in preventing interference with the
    discharge of police functions or some other interest altogether.
    We thus turn to that antecedent question, which sounds in the
    familiar vernacular of "level of scrutiny."
    a.
    The District Court agreed with the Martin Plaintiffs
    that Section 99's ban is content neutral, because it prohibits
    secret recording without regard to the topics or ideas recorded.
    Martin, 340 F. Supp. 3d at 105; see also Jean, 
    492 F.3d at 29
    ("[S]ection      99    is   a   'content-neutral        law   of        general
    applicability.'" (quoting Bartnicki v. Vopper, 
    532 U.S. 514
    , 526
    (2001))).     Accordingly, the District Court also agreed with the
    Martin Plaintiffs that strict scrutiny would not be appropriate.
    Martin, 340 F. Supp. 3d at 105.
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    The District Court expressly pointed out, however, that
    the Defendants did not develop an argument that "a standard lower
    than intermediate scrutiny" should be applied, as they merely
    suggested that such a lower standard "might" be appropriate.                   Id.
    at 106.   Thus, the District Court accepted the Martin Plaintiffs'
    argument that Section 99's bar on the secret recording at issue
    should be evaluated under "intermediate scrutiny," id. at 105,
    which required the District Court to determine whether the bar is
    "narrowly tailored to serve a significant government interest,"
    id. at 106 (quoting Rideout, 838 F.3d at 71-72).                   The District
    Court also noted that for a law to survive intermediate scrutiny,
    it    "must      'leave     open    ample       alternative       channels     for
    communication.'"         Id. (quoting Ward v. Rock Against Racism, 
    491 U.S. 781
    , 791 (1989)).
    On appeal, the District Attorney challenges the District
    Court's decision to apply that level of scrutiny by referencing
    precedents applying forum analysis to evaluate restrictions on
    expression.        She    notes    that   the    category     "public     spaces"
    encompasses not only traditional public fora like public parks but
    also limited and nonpublic fora, such as the shoulders of highways
    and   certain    areas    of   public   buildings    like   the    site   of   the
    recording at issue in Iacobucci, 
    193 F.3d at 18
    .               But, she points
    out, the intermediate level of scrutiny that applies to content-
    neutral restrictions on expression in traditional public fora, see
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    Cutting v. City of Portland, 
    802 F.3d 79
    , 84 (1st Cir. 2015)
    (applying intermediate scrutiny), gives way to a lower level of
    scrutiny when we evaluate such restrictions in other fora, see Am.
    Freedom Def. Initiative v. Mass. Bay Transp. Auth., 
    781 F.3d 571
    ,
    581 (1st Cir. 2015) (asking as to nonpublic fora whether the
    restrictions "are not viewpoint-based and are reasonable in light
    of the purposes for which the forum was established").               For that
    reason, the District Attorney contends, the District Court erred
    in applying intermediate scrutiny to Section 99's bar across the
    board, as by doing so the District Court failed to attend to the
    differing locales in which the planned recording would occur and
    thus required the government to satisfy a degree of fit between
    means and ends that was unnecessarily demanding.
    Neither    Glik      nor    Gericke,     however,   purported    to
    predicate the level of scrutiny that applied to the challenged
    recording restrictions on forum analysis.              And while the Supreme
    Court has not addressed a challenge to a prohibition against
    secretly (or, for that matter, openly) recording law enforcement,
    there is no indication in its precedent that the "forum based"
    approach that is used to evaluate a "regulation of speech on
    government property," Int'l Soc'y for Krishna Consciousness v.
    Lee, 
    505 U.S. 672
    , 678 (1992) (emphasis added), necessarily applies
    to   a   regulation   on   the    collection    of    information   on   public
    property, see United States v. Am. Libr. Ass'n, 
    539 U.S. 194
    , 205
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    (2003) (plurality opinion) ("[P]ublic forum principles . . . are
    out of place in the context of this case."); see also 
    id.
     ("We
    expressly declined to apply forum analysis [in National Endowment
    for the Arts v. Finley, 
    524 U.S. 569
     (1998)]."); Legal Servs. Corp.
    v. Velazquez, 
    531 U.S. 533
    , 544 (2001) (noting that the Court's
    limited forum cases were related to but did not control its subsidy
    cases). Compare March v. Mills, 
    867 F.3d 46
    , 53-54 (1st Cir. 2017)
    (applying     forum    analysis    to    a   statute    that   "restrict[ed]
    noisemaking even in public parks . . . [and] other traditional
    public fora"), with Pleasant Grove City v. Summum, 
    555 U.S. 460
    ,
    480 (2009) ("[A]s a general matter, forum analysis simply does not
    apply   to   the    installation    of   permanent     monuments   on   public
    property.").       Nor does the District Attorney offer anything beyond
    assertion as to why forum analysis -- in a strict sense -- applies
    in the context of the right to engage in the newsgathering involved
    here.
    The application of intermediate scrutiny also accords
    with the approach that we took in Glik and Gericke, even though
    neither case explicitly named the level of scrutiny deployed.
    Indeed, the District Attorney -- by repeatedly emphasizing that
    the facts underlying Glik took place in a traditional public forum
    and by conceding that intermediate scrutiny pertains in such a
    setting -- implicitly recognizes that we effectively applied that
    level of scrutiny in Glik.         See Glik, 
    655 F.3d at 84
     (recognizing
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    that the right to record may be subject to appropriate time, place,
    and manner restrictions); see also, e.g., Rideout, 838 F.3d at 71-
    72 (citing Ward, 
    491 U.S. at 791
    , a case about time, place, or
    manner restrictions, in articulating the inquiry for intermediate
    scrutiny); McGuire v. Reilly, 
    260 F.3d 36
    , 43 (1st Cir. 2001)
    (describing the "level of analysis" that applies to "time, place,
    and manner" restrictions as "intermediate scrutiny").         And, while
    Gericke was no more express than Glik in naming the level of
    scrutiny applied, it purported only to be following Glik, despite
    the fact that the recording there did not occur in a traditional
    public forum.
    Finally, the intermediate level of scrutiny the District
    Court applied roughly tracks the scrutiny applied to restrictions
    on newsgathering in other locales to which the public generally
    has access to collect information.      This correspondence reinforces
    our conclusion that we have no reason to depart from the District
    Court's approach here.     See Press-Enter. Co. v. Superior Ct., 
    478 U.S. 1
    , 13-14 (1986) (holding that a criminal proceeding may be
    closed to protect the accused's right to a fair trial only if doing
    so is "narrowly tailored to serve that interest," meaning that
    "there is a substantial probability that the defendant's right to
    a fair trial will be prejudiced by publicity that closure would
    prevent"   and   that   "reasonable   alternatives   to   closure   cannot
    adequately protect the defendant's fair trial rights" (quoting
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    Press-Enter. Co. v. Superior Ct., 
    464 U.S. 501
    , 510 (1984))); see
    also Richmond Newspapers, Inc. v. Virginia, 
    448 U.S. 555
    , 580-81
    (1980) (plurality opinion); United States v. Three Juveniles, 
    61 F.3d 86
    , 88 (1st Cir. 1995).
    b.
    We have, then, but one task left to complete:                We need
    to    review       the    District     Court's    application   of   intermediate
    scrutiny to the bar that Section 99 imposes, which in turn requires
    us to evaluate each of the Commonwealth's purported interests in
    enacting the ban on the type of recording in which the Martin
    Plaintiffs plan to engage and the extent to which Section 99
    furthers those interests.3              As we will explain, we conclude that
    the    District          Court    rightly   determined     that,     even    though
    intermediate scrutiny does not require that a measure be the least
    restrictive means of achieving the government's interests, Section
    99 is not narrowly tailored to further either of the identified
    governmental interests -- namely, preventing interference with
    police    activities             and   protecting     individual     privacy     --
    notwithstanding their importance.                See Martin, 340 F. Supp. 3d at
    106-08.
    3
    We note also that at least one other circuit has
    suggested that restrictions on open recording in public places
    should be subject to intermediate scrutiny. See Alvarez, 
    679 F.3d at 604
    .
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    i.
    The government is under no obligation to permit a type
    of   newsgathering   that   would   interfere   with   police   officers'
    ability to do their jobs.     But, neither Glik nor Gericke accepted
    the notion that the mere act of open recording, without more, so
    severely disrupted officers in carrying out their duties that it
    justified the restriction of such recording in the absence of the
    consent of all recorded persons.          Those cases in this respect
    establish, at the least, that the police's own view of whether
    recording of their work is desirable is not the measure of whether
    it causes interference that would justify its total prohibition.
    Because the recording here will not be done in plain
    sight or with the actual knowledge of the officers whose words
    will be recorded, they will not even be aware that such recording
    is occurring. For that reason, they will not be on specific notice
    of a need to take precautions to ensure that words that they do
    not wish to have recorded are not.           But, insofar as the mere
    prospect of being recorded leads officers to feel the need to
    refrain from uttering words or engaging in actions that would
    constitute misconduct, it hardly interferes with their capacity to
    perform their official duties.           Nor does the record show how
    heightened consciousness on the officers' part that recording may
    be occurring, even if the officers are not on specific notice that
    it actually is, would appreciably alter their ability to protect
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    the   public     either    in   gross     or   at   the    retail    level   of   more
    individualized interactions.
    It was suggested at oral argument that officers seeking
    to converse with confidential informants could be constrained in
    their ability to do so, in light of the possibility that any such
    exchange would be recorded by an unknown and unseen observer.                      See
    also Alvarez, 
    679 F.3d at 613
     (Posner, J., dissenting).                      But, we
    presume    officers       are   already    careful        when   engaging    in   such
    sensitive conversations within earshot of others, and the record
    offers no other details about how any such heightened caution might
    disrupt police practice.         Thus, the record provides no support for
    the conclusion that Section 99 reduces interference with official
    police responsibilities in any meaningful way with respect to at
    least the mine-run of circumstances -- whether involving an arrest
    in a park, a roadside traffic stop, or a gathering in a foyer
    following a public meeting in a public building -- in which police
    officers may be "secretly" recorded without their consent while
    discharging      their    official      functions    in     public   spaces.       See
    Gericke, 753 F.3d at 8; cf. City of Houston v. Hill, 
    482 U.S. 451
    ,
    463 n.11 (1987) (explaining that true "physical obstruction of
    police action" may "constitutionally be punished under a properly
    tailored statute" but that such an objective cannot be accomplished
    by    "broadly    criminalizing"        First    Amendment       activity    directed
    toward an officer).
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    Accordingly, we conclude that the statute's outright ban
    on such secret recording is not narrowly tailored to further the
    government's important interest in preventing interference with
    police doing their jobs and thereby protecting the public.            See
    Rideout, 838 F.3d at 72; see also Turner Broad. Sys., Inc. v. FCC,
    
    512 U.S. 622
    , 664 (1994) (plurality opinion) (explaining that even
    where the government's asserted interests are important it still
    "must demonstrate that the recited harms are real, not merely
    conjectural, and that the regulation will in fact alleviate these
    harms in a direct and material way"); City of Los Angeles v.
    Preferred Commc'ns, Inc., 
    476 U.S. 488
    , 496 (1986) (advising that
    courts should not "simply assume" that a statute "will always
    advance   the   asserted   state    interests   sufficiently"    (quoting
    Members of City Council v. Taxpayers for Vincent, 
    466 U.S. 789
    ,
    803 n.22 (1984))).    Rather, despite a record that does little to
    show how secret, nonconsensual audio recording of police officers
    doing their jobs in public interferes with their mission, Section
    99 broadly prohibits such recording, notwithstanding the myriad
    circumstances in which it may play a critical role in informing
    the public about how the police are conducting themselves, whether
    by   documenting   their   heroism,     dispelling   claims     of   their
    misconduct, or facilitating the public's ability to hold them to
    account for their wrongdoing.
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    ii.
    There     remains      the    question      whether       Section     99's
    prohibition      against      the    recording     at     issue    is    nevertheless
    properly calibrated to serve some other "legitimate governmental
    purpose."      Gericke, 753 F.3d at 8.           The District Attorney contends
    that it is, because although Massachusetts "values public scrutiny
    of    government       affairs,      including     that    accomplished        through
    recordings," it has a "significant interest" in "assur[ing] that
    its       citizens    are    aware   of     when   they    are     being    recorded,
    safeguarding a specific type of privacy -- not freedom from being
    recorded, but rather notice of being recorded."                          The District
    Attorney also presses the related contention that protecting such
    a privacy interest helps ensure "the vibrancy of [] public spaces
    and the quality of the discourse that occurs there" by allowing
    speakers to take comfort in the fact that they will not be
    unwittingly recorded.
    Protecting the privacy of the citizens of Massachusetts
    is    a    legitimate       and   important      governmental      interest.        See
    Bartnicki, 
    532 U.S. at 532-33
    .               But, as we noted in Glik, "[i]n
    our society, police officers are expected to endure significant
    burdens caused by citizens' exercise of their First Amendment
    rights."       
    655 F.3d at 84
    ; see also City of Houston, 
    482 U.S. at 462-63
     ("The freedom of individuals verbally to oppose or challenge
    police      action    without     thereby     risking     arrest    is   one   of   the
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    principal characteristics by which we distinguish a free nation
    from a police state.").       That includes the loss of some measure of
    their privacy when doing their work in public spaces. See Gertz v.
    Robert Welch, Inc., 
    418 U.S. 323
    , 344 (1974) ("An individual who
    decides to seek governmental office . . . runs the risk of closer
    public scrutiny than might otherwise be the case.         And society’s
    interest in the officers of government is not strictly limited to
    the formal discharge of official duties."); Jean, 
    492 F.3d at 30
    (finding police officers' privacy interests "virtually irrelevant"
    where they were recorded searching a private home).        Thus, even if
    there might be circumstances in which officers -- while in public
    spaces and working -- have some privacy interest that the prospect
    of secret recording could threaten, the total ban on all such audio
    recording of any of their official activities in public spaces
    simply because it qualifies as being done "secretly" within the
    meaning of Hyde is too unqualified to be justified in the name of
    protecting that degree of privacy.
    Rather than dispute this point, the District Attorney
    focuses on the fact that private citizens in the vicinity of the
    officers are not themselves governmental employees, let alone law
    enforcement officers on the job.           She argues that "[c]ivilians
    have   many    reasons   to   voluntarily   interact"   with   government
    officials, including police officers, in public and that even
    civilians who have no intention of interacting with police "might
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    simply be within audible recording range."             Yet, the District
    Attorney notes, their words may be picked up by the recording that
    the Martin Plaintiffs contend they have a First Amendment right to
    undertake without those persons having any notice that recording
    is taking place.
    In pressing this point, the District Attorney contends
    that special attention must be paid to the fact that "when a
    recording   is   made   surreptitiously,     the   person    being   recorded
    unwittingly becomes a captive."          She supports this argument by
    invoking the Supreme Court's captive-audience cases.             See, e.g.,
    Hill v. Colorado, 
    530 U.S. 703
    , 716-17 (2000); Rowan v. U.S. Post
    Off. Dep't, 
    397 U.S. 728
    , 738 (1970).
    In   that   line   of   cases,   the   Court    recognized   that
    government can protect an "interest" in "avoid[ing] unwelcome
    speech" if "the degree of captivity makes it impractical for the
    unwilling viewer or auditor to avoid exposure."            Hill, 
    530 U.S. at
    717-18 & n.24 (quoting Erzoznik v. Jacksonville, 
    422 U.S. 205
    , 209
    (1975)).    The District Attorney argues that the recording of an
    unwitting private citizen is tantamount to rendering that person
    a captive because "that person is unaware of the recording, and
    thus is deprived of any meaningful opportunity to do anything about
    it."
    But, the captive-audience line of authority concerns
    restrictions on expression that the government may impose to
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    protect persons from being subjected to speech they wish to avoid.
    The risk of being subjected to unwanted speech, of course, is not
    a concern here.           Moreover, the only individuals who will be
    recorded by the Martin Plaintiffs are those in public spaces who
    are within earshot of police officers and choose to speak.                  Thus,
    we do not see how -- across the board -- the proposed secret
    recording results in "substantial privacy interests . . . being
    invaded      in   an   essentially      intolerable      manner."       Cohen    v.
    California, 
    403 U.S. 15
    , 21 (1971).              For similar reasons, we are
    not persuaded by the District Attorney's reliance on Bartnicki v.
    Vopper,   
    532 U.S. at 517, 533
    .      The   differences     between   the
    circumstances of the telephone conversation recorded there and
    those   in    which      the   recording     would    occur   under   the   Martin
    Plaintiffs' desired rule, which pertains only to a far more public
    setting, are too great to make the analogy a persuasive one.
    We can envision circumstances in which an individual who
    is interacting with (or in the vicinity of) a police officer might
    have a particularly heightened reason to wish to have notice that
    her comments are being recorded.                Cf. Fla. Star v. B.J.F., 
    491 U.S. 524
    , 537 (1989) (recognizing a privacy interest in the
    identity of rape victims); United States v. Cotto-Flores, 
    970 F.3d 17
    , 38 (1st Cir. 2020) (recognizing a compelling interest in
    "protecting 'minor victims of sex crimes from further trauma and
    embarrassment'" (quoting Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. 836
    , 852
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    (1990))); United States v. Tse, 
    375 F.3d 148
    , 164 (1st Cir. 2004)
    (recognizing the "important concern[]" of preventing unnecessary
    embarrassment to witnesses).      But see Branzburg, 
    408 U.S. at 693
    (minimizing the interest of newspaper informants who wish to remain
    anonymous where "[t]hey may fear that disclosure will threaten
    their job security or personal safety or that it will simply result
    in dishonor or embarrassment"); see Alvarez, 
    679 F.3d at 611
    (Posner, J., dissenting) (cataloging examples of interactions that
    an officer may have with private citizens in public).        Notice of
    recording may help such private individuals avoid the shame or
    embarrassment of the recording of their unfiltered comments or
    help prevent their statements from being taken out of context.
    See 1968 Commission Report at 12 (expressing an interest in
    protecting "the person who chooses to speak frankly and freely in
    personal conversation" from the exposure of "what he says in jest,
    with a wink, for its shock value on his conversational partner, or
    to test some belief held by the other party").      But, as a general
    matter, an individual's privacy interests are hardly at their
    zenith in speaking audibly in a public space within earshot of a
    police officer.    Cf. Cox Broad. Corp. v. Cohn, 
    420 U.S. 469
    , 494-
    95 (1975).    Thus, we conclude that Massachusetts may not deploy
    the blunderbuss prohibitory approach embodied in Section 99 to
    protect civilians in the core set of situations where their privacy
    interests    may   be   heightened.   See   Ward,   
    491 U.S. at
    799
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    ("Government may not regulate expression in such a manner that a
    substantial portion of the burden on speech does not serve to
    advance its goals."); Frisby v. Schultz, 
    487 U.S. 474
    , 485 (1988)
    ("A complete ban can be narrowly tailored, but only if each
    activity    within     the   proscription's      scope      is   an   appropriately
    targeted evil."); Cutting, 802 F.3d at 86 ("[B]y demanding a close
    fit between ends and means, the tailoring requirement prevents the
    government from too readily sacrificing speech for efficiency."
    (quoting McCullen v. Coakley, 
    573 U.S. 464
    , 486 (2014))); cf. Fla.
    Star,     
    491 U.S. at 539
        ("We     have        previously     noted   the
    impermissibility of categorical prohibitions upon media access
    where important First Amendment interests are at stake.").
    In light of our analysis to this point, we need not
    address    whether     the   statute    leaves       open    viable    alternative
    channels for First Amendment activity.                See Watchtower Bible &
    Tract Soc'y of N.Y., Inc. v. Village of Stratton, 
    536 U.S. 150
    ,
    168-69 (2002) (striking down an ordinance on tailoring grounds
    without reaching whether alternative channels of communication
    were sufficient).       We are not persuaded, however, by the District
    Attorney's      assertion     that     Section       99     "preserves     adequate
    alternative channels" because it "does not limit open recording in
    any way." "[A]udio and audiovisual recording are uniquely reliable
    and powerful methods of preserving and disseminating news and
    information about events that occur in public," Alvarez, 679 F.3d
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    at 607, and the undisputed record supports the Martin Plaintiffs'
    concern that open recording puts them at risk of physical harm and
    retaliation and thereby undermines its capacity to serve as an
    adequate    alternative    means     of    newsgathering    if   the   type    of
    recording at issue here is barred.
    c.
    We thus conclude that Section 99, which does not contain
    the   privacy-based     exceptions    other      states   recognize    in   their
    recording       bans,   see,   e.g.,        
    Fla. Stat. § 934.02
    (2),       is
    insufficiently tailored to serve the important privacy interests
    implicated in the context of the Martin Plaintiffs' challenge.4
    Accordingly, we affirm the District Court's grant of summary
    judgment to the Martin Plaintiffs.
    III.
    We now turn to the cross-appeals that stem from Project
    Veritas's suit challenging Section 99 on First Amendment grounds.
    We first consider Project Veritas's appeal from the District
    Court's grant of the Defendants' motion to dismiss its claim that
    Section 99 is invalid in its entirety under the First Amendment's
    4
    The District Attorney also "observes," in a footnote,
    that Section 99 "might alternatively be analyzed as a regulation
    of conduct that imposes a mere incidental burden on expression."
    But, the argument is waived for insufficient development. Doe v.
    Trs. of Bos. Coll., 
    892 F.3d 67
    , 83 n.7 (1st Cir. 2018) (quoting
    Nat'l Foreign Trade Council v. Natsios, 
    181 F.3d 38
    , 60 n.17 (1st
    Cir. 1999)).
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    overbreadth doctrine.         We then consider its challenge to the
    District Court's grant of the Defendants' motion to dismiss its
    claim that Section 99 is unconstitutional insofar as it prohibits
    the secret recording of private individuals whenever they have no
    expectation   of     privacy.      Finally,       we    take    up   the     District
    Attorney's appeal from the District Court's decision to grant
    summary judgment to Project Veritas on its claim that this measure
    violates the First Amendment insofar as it prohibits the secret,
    nonconsensual      audio   recording         of   all    government         officials
    performing their duties in public spaces.                The District Attorney
    challenges that ruling both on jurisdictional grounds and on the
    merits.     Our review of these challenges -- whether brought by
    Project Veritas or the District Attorney -- is de novo.                       Zabala-
    De Jesus, 959 F.3d at 427; Lyman v. Baker, 
    954 F.3d 351
    , 359 (1st
    Cir. 2020).
    A.
    The    District     Court    implicitly       ruled      that     Project
    Veritas's   facial    overbreadth       claim     was   ripe,    Project      Veritas
    Action Fund, 244 F. Supp. 3d at 262, 265, and we agree.                           It
    "presents a single, purely legal question."               Whitehouse, 
    199 F.3d at 34
    ; see also Commodity Trend Serv., 
    149 F.3d at
    687 n.3. Project
    Veritas also has adequately shown that it has refrained from some
    secret recording that it would undertake but for Section 99's bar,
    Project Veritas Action Fund, 244 F. Supp. 3d at 262, which the
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    District Attorney has previously enforced, see Martin, 340 F. Supp.
    3d at 93-94.
    The District Court rejected Project Veritas's facial
    overbreadth claim on the merits, however, and it is that ruling
    that Project Veritas challenges on appeal.           We see no error.
    A law may be invalidated in its entirety under the First
    Amendment overbreadth doctrine only "if 'a substantial number of
    its applications are unconstitutional, judged in relation to the
    statute's plainly legitimate sweep.'"            United States v. Stevens,
    
    559 U.S. 460
    , 473 (2010) (quoting Wash. State Grange v. Wash. State
    Republican Party, 
    552 U.S. 442
    , 449 n.6 (2008)).                  The District
    Court determined that Project Veritas's overbreadth challenge
    failed,     because    "[m]ost"    of   the   statute's    applications      are
    constitutional.        Project Veritas Action Fund, 244 F. Supp. 3d at
    266.
    Project     Veritas    does      identify    ten     examples    of
    applications of Section 99 that it argues are unconstitutional and
    that "[o]ne can expand these ten examples almost exponentially to
    grasp the amazing breadth and reach of this law."               But, by looking
    solely at one half of the equation, Project Veritas fails to show,
    as     it   must,     that   the   unconstitutional       applications       are
    "substantial" relative to the extensive range of applications it
    does not even challenge.           We thus affirm the District Court's
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    rejection     of   Project    Veritas's      First    Amendment    overbreadth
    challenge.
    B.
    There remain the challenges to the District Court's
    rulings on Project Veritas's two more narrowly targeted attempts
    to show that Section 99 violates the First Amendment insofar as it
    bars certain types of recording.           In the first of these attempts,
    Project Veritas contends that the statute is unconstitutional
    insofar as it prohibits the secret, nonconsensual audio recording
    of any person who does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy
    in what is recorded.       In the second, Project Veritas contends that
    the statute is unconstitutional insofar as it prohibits the secret,
    nonconsensual      audio     recording     of   all   government      officials
    discharging their official duties in public spaces.
    The District Court ruled against Project Veritas on the
    merits as to the former claim but for Project Veritas on the merits
    as to the latter.      Id. at 265; Martin, 340 F. Supp. 3d at 108.
    Thus, we confront an appeal by Project Veritas as to that first
    ruling and an appeal by the District Attorney as to the second.
    As we will explain, we conclude that neither of the underlying
    challenges to Section 99 is ripe.
    Our conclusion, we emphasize, does not turn on any
    skepticism that, but for Section 99, Project Veritas would engage
    in   the    investigations     it   describes    itself    as     intending   to
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    undertake.        See Torres-Negrón v. J & N Recs., LLC, 
    504 F.3d 151
    ,
    163 (1st Cir. 2007) (explaining that, in the event that "the
    plaintiff presents sufficient evidence to create a genuine dispute
    of material (jurisdictional) facts," the case must survive a motion
    to dismiss).        Instead, as we will explain, it rests on the fact
    that Project Veritas has not sought relief in bringing these
    challenges that is more congruent in scope to an articulated set
    of planned investigations.            For that reason, we conclude that the
    organization       through    these    challenges   impermissibly      seeks   to
    transform our First Amendment inquiry "from a necessary means of
    vindicating [a party's] right not to be bound by a statute that is
    unconstitutional into a means of mounting gratuitous wholesale
    attacks upon state and federal laws."                Renne, 
    501 U.S. at 324
    (quoting Bd. of Trs. of State Univ. of N.Y. v. Fox, 
    492 U.S. 469
    ,
    484-85 (1989)).
    1.
    We     begin    with     Project    Veritas's     First   Amendment
    challenge to Section 99 insofar as it bars the secret recording of
    "individuals who lack[] any reasonable expectation of privacy."
    In a response to interrogatories from the District Attorney,
    Project Veritas explained that it "defines 'reasonable expectation
    of   privacy'      as   a   circumstance    in   which   the   parties   to    the
    communication may reasonably expect that the communication may not
    be overheard or recorded."
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    That   vague    yet        sweeping   definition,   however,     is
    problematic from the perspective of the ripeness inquiry. It fails
    to ensure that the "contours" of this challenge to Section 99 are
    "sharply defined."    Stern v. U.S. Dist. Ct., 
    214 F.3d 4
    , 10 (1st
    Cir. 2000); cf. Whitehouse, 
    199 F.3d at 32
     (reviewing claim where
    the "parameters of the activity that [the plaintiff] proposed to
    undertake were discrete and well-defined").
    This lack of precision also prompts the concern that it
    is merely "conjectural to anticipate" that Section 99 will ever be
    applied in many of the distinct contexts to which Project Veritas's
    challenge to that measure -- by the organization's own terms --
    extends.    Babbitt, 
    442 U.S. at 304
    .             That Project Veritas has
    emphasized to us that it intends to record "newsworthy" content
    "in which the public has a legitimate concern" but has made no
    effort to cabin its request for relief accordingly only exacerbates
    the   disconnect   between       the    alleged   intended   action   and   the
    requested   relief.        And    that    concern   about    adjudication    of
    hypothetical rather than real disputes looms even larger when one
    considers the ways in which the First Amendment analysis could be
    affected by the types of conversations that are targeted.
    In this respect, Project Veritas's claims are distinct
    from those brought in Mangual v. Rotger-Sabat, on which the
    organization relies heavily for its jurisdictional arguments.               See
    
    317 F.3d at 59-60
    .     There, the plaintiff sought declaratory and
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    injunctive relief to the effect that Puerto Rico's criminal libel
    statute incorporated constitutionally deficient standards with
    regard to statements about public officials or figures.                 See 
    id. at 51-52, 69
    .     The scope of that pre-enforcement protection was
    coextensive with the plaintiff's alleged plans to continue working
    as an investigative journalist and publish statements about public
    figures.    See 
    id. at 58, 69
    .
    Nor   is    Project   Veritas's    reliance      on   the   Seventh
    Circuit's    analysis    in   Alvarez   helpful   to   its   cause.      As   we
    explained in our analysis of the ripeness of the Martin Plaintiffs'
    challenge, see supra Section II.A.2, Alvarez concerned a very
    different plan of recording -- that the ACLU intended to "use its
    employees and agents to audio record on-duty police officers in
    public places," 
    679 F.3d at 593
    .          That plan was congruent to the
    ACLU's request for relief, which sought pre-enforcement protection
    for that very same activity.       
    Id. at 588
    .
    Accordingly, we conclude not merely that the challenge
    raises     "serious    ripeness   concerns,"      as   the   District     Court
    recognized, Martin, 340 F. Supp. 3d at 104, but that those concerns
    are so serious that Article III precludes this challenge from going
    forward in its present state.           We thus must vacate the District
    Court's merits-based ruling on the ground that this aspect of
    Project Veritas's challenge to Section 99 must be dismissed on
    ripeness grounds.
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    2.
    Project Veritas's First Amendment challenge to Section
    99's   bar       to    the   secret,    nonconsensual     audio   recording    of
    "government officials discharging their duties in public spaces"
    raises similar ripeness concerns. In a response to interrogatories
    from the District Attorney, the organization defined the phrase
    "government officials" as broadly as we can imagine, explaining
    that it intended to refer to "officials and civil servants."5
    That definition is of concern with respect to ripeness
    because Project Veritas has described its planned investigations
    in terms that are not nearly so broad.            Project Veritas alleged in
    connection with this challenge that it seeks to record "government
    officials who are discharging their duties at or around the State
    House in Boston and other public spaces" in hopes of learning those
    officials' unvarnished thoughts about "immigration policy and
    deportation";         "to    capture   whether   antifa    public   events    and
    protests are peaceful, whether police or other public officials’
    interactions          with   antifa    members   are    non-violent,"   and   to
    5
    Project Veritas also listed the Black's Law Dictionary
    definition of each term.     See Official, Black's Law Dictionary
    (10th ed. 2014) ("Someone who holds or is invested with a public
    office; a person elected or appointed to carry out some portion of
    a   government's   sovereign   powers.  --   Also  termed   public
    official."); Civil Servant, Black's Law Dictionary (10th ed. 2014)
    ("Someone employed in a department responsible for conducting the
    affairs of a national or local government. -- Also termed public
    employee.").
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    otherwise report on those events; and that its "journalists would
    have attended" "a large public event" related to "the ongoing PVA
    'antifa' investigation" but for Section 99.
    Thus,    Project    Veritas      gives   no   indication    that   it
    intends to investigate any and every type of civil servant, no
    matter their function or place in the governmental hierarchy. But,
    if we take Project Veritas at its word and construe the term
    "government    officials"       as   broadly    as     "officials    and   civil
    servants," that category covers everyone from an elected official
    to a public school teacher to a city park maintenance worker.
    The contrast between the narrowness of Project Veritas's
    plans and the breadth of the remedy that it has requested leads to
    the concern that it has not adequately shown that it intends to
    engage in much of the conduct covered by the relief it seeks.                  Cf.
    Ohio Forestry Ass'n v. Sierra Club, 
    523 U.S. 726
    , 735 (1998) ("The
    ripeness doctrine reflects a judgment that the disadvantages of a
    premature   review    that     may   prove    too    abstract   or   unnecessary
    ordinarily outweigh the additional costs of -- even repetitive --
    [more focused] litigation.").          The concern that this disconnect
    renders this dispute hypothetical and abstract rather than real
    and concrete is compounded by the fact that the First Amendment
    analysis might be appreciably affected by the type of government
    official who would be recorded.                It is hardly clear that a
    restriction on the recording of a mayor's speech in a public park
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    gives rise to the same First Amendment concerns as a restriction
    on the recording of a grammar school teacher interacting with her
    students in that same locale while on a field trip or public works
    employees conversing while tending to a city park's grounds.
    Thus, we conclude here, too, that the disparity between
    plan and challenge is too great for us to conclude that there is
    a live case or controversy as to Section 99's enforcement in the
    context of the full spectrum of "government officials discharging
    their duties in public spaces."            For that reason, we vacate the
    District   Court's    ruling   on    the    merits   of   Project   Veritas's
    challenge to Section 99 insofar as it applies to bar the secret,
    nonconsensual    audio   recording      of    any    "government    official"
    discharging official duties in public spaces.               Instead, we hold
    that this challenge must be dismissed without prejudice for lack
    of Article III jurisdiction on ripeness grounds.
    IV.
    The privacy that we enjoy, even in public, is too
    important to be taken for granted. Cf. Carpenter v. United States,
    
    138 S. Ct. 2206
    , 2217-18 (2018) (first citing United States v.
    Jones,   
    565 U.S. 400
    ,   430    (2012)    (Alito,     J.,   concurring   in
    judgment), then citing 
    id. at 415
     (Sotomayor, J., concurring)).
    But, so, too, is the role that laypersons can play in informing
    the public about the way public officials, and law enforcement in
    particular, carry out their official duties.
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    We conclude that, by holding that Section 99 violates
    the First Amendment in criminalizing the secret, nonconsensual
    audio recording of police officers discharging their official
    duties in public spaces and by granting declaratory relief to the
    Martin Plaintiffs, the District Court properly accounted for the
    values   of      both    privacy      and     accountability     within     our
    constitutional system. We further conclude that the District Court
    properly rejected Project Veritas's First Amendment overbreadth
    challenge, in which the organization sought to invalidate the
    measure in its entirety, given the substantial protection for
    privacy that it provides in contexts far removed from those that
    concern the need to hold public officials accountable.               Finally,
    we vacate and remand the District Court's rulings as to the
    remainder   of   Project       Veritas's    challenges,   because,   in   their
    present state, they ask us to engage in an inquiry into sensitive
    and difficult First Amendment issues -- concerning both privacy in
    public and government accountability -- that is too likely to be
    a   hypothetical        one,     given      the    disconnect   between     the
    organization's concrete allegations regarding its intentions and
    the breadth of the relief it seeks.               We thus affirm the District
    Court's judgment in the Martin Plaintiffs' case and affirm in part
    and vacate and remand in part its judgment in Project Veritas's.
    The parties shall bear their own costs.
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