United States v. Games-Perez ( 2012 )


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    United States Court of Appeals
    Tenth Circuit
    September 17, 2012
    PUBLISH                   Elisabeth A. Shumaker
    Clerk of Court
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    TENTH CIRCUIT
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
    Plaintiff - Appellee,
    v.                                                     No. 11-1011
    (D.Ct. No. 1:10-CR-00263-PAB-1)
    MIGUEL GAMES-PEREZ,
    Defendant - Appellant.
    ORDER
    Before BRISCOE, Chief Judge, KELLY, LUCERO, MURPHY, HARTZ,
    O’BRIEN, TYMKOVICH, GORSUCH, HOLMES, and MATHESON, Circuit
    Judges.
    This matter is before the court on appellant’s Petition for Rehearing En
    Banc. We also have a response from the appellee. The en banc request and
    response were circulated to all the judges of the court who are in regular active
    service. A poll was called, and a majority of the court declined to grant en banc
    review. Consequently, the petition request is denied. See Fed. R. App. P. 35(a).
    Judges Tymkovich, Gorsuch, Holmes, and Matheson would grant the petition for
    rehearing en banc.
    Entered for the Court,
    ELISABETH A. SHUMAKER
    Clerk of Court
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    No. 11-1011, United States v. Games-Perez
    MURPHY, J., concurring in the denial of rehearing en banc.
    I join the order denying en banc review (the “Order”). I write to clarify
    why it is appropriate to deny Games-Perez’s petition for rehearing en banc.
    It is only at this very late stage in the proceedings that this case has come
    to be about whether the plain language of two provisions of the United States
    Code, 
    18 U.S.C. §§ 922
    (g)(1) and 924(a)(2)—which respectively prohibit
    possession of a firearm by a felon and set out the penalty for that criminal
    conduct 1—require for conviction knowledge by a defendant of his status as a
    felon. The Dissent asserts the answer to this late-arriving question is
    unquestionably “yes” and the failure of the en banc court to take it up works an
    obvious injustice. Dissenting Op. at 1. Before the panel, however, Games-Perez
    never asserted the plain-language argument identified by the Dissent. Instead,
    after recognizing this court previously held that knowledge of felonious status is
    not an element of the crime set out in § 922(g)(1), United States v. Capps, 
    77 F.3d 1
    Section 922(g)(1), a provision lacking an express mens rea, criminalizes
    the possession of a firearm by one “convicted in any court of[] a crime punishable
    by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year.” 
    18 U.S.C. § 922
    (g)(1). Section
    924(a)(2), the provision setting out penalties for violations of § 922(g)(1),
    provides that “[w]hoever knowingly violates subsection . . . (g) . . . of section 922
    shall be fined as provided in this title, imprisoned not more than ten years, or
    both.” Id. § 924(a)(2). According to the Dissent, Games-Perez was prosecuted
    under “§ 924(a)(2) for ‘knowingly violat[ing]’ § 922(g).” Dissenting Op. at 1. In
    contrast to the Dissent’s assertion, the indictment in this case makes no mention
    of § 924(a)(2). Instead, the indictment makes clear that Games-Perez was
    charged with violating § 922(g)(1).
    350, 352 (10th Cir. 1996), Games-Perez asserted Capps, and the cases
    Capps relied on, were not controlling because they involved mistakes of law,
    while he is asserting a mistake of fact.
    The panel majority rejected Games-Perez’s arguments and affirmed his
    conviction. Relying on this court’s decision in Capps, and noting every circuit
    court to address the question had reached the same conclusion, the panel majority
    reaffirmed that knowledge of felonious status is not an element of the crime set
    out in § 922(g)(1). United States v. Games-Perez, 
    667 F.3d 1136
    , 1140-42 (10th
    Cir. 2012); see also Capps, 
    77 F.3d at 352
     (“[T]he only knowledge required for a
    § 922(g) conviction is knowledge that the instrument possessed is a firearm.”
    (quotation omitted)).
    In a separate concurring opinion, Judge Gorsuch opined that Capps was
    wrongly decided. Games-Perez, 
    667 F.3d at 1142-43
     (Gorsuch, J., concurring).
    In particular, he asserted “Capps’s holding—that the government doesn’t have to
    prove a defendant knew he was a felon—simply can’t be squared with the text of
    the relevant statutes.” 
    Id. at 1143
    . But see Cone v. Bell, 
    556 U.S. 449
    , 482
    (2009) (“Appellate courts generally do not reach out to decide issues not raised by
    the appellant.”). Nevertheless, because the panel was bound by the decision in
    Capps, Judge Gorsuch concurred in the judgment. Id. at 1142.
    Games-Perez thereafter filed the instant petition for rehearing en banc
    asserting for the very first time that Capps was wrongly decided because the plain
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    language of § 924(a)(2) unambiguously requires the government to prove
    knowledge of felonious status to obtain a conviction under § 922(g)(1). 2 But see
    United States v. Charley, 
    189 F.3d 1251
    , 1264 n.16 (10th Cir. 1999) (“It is
    axiomatic that petitions for rehearing are permitted to enable parties to notify, and
    to correct, errors of fact or law on the issues already presented; they are not
    meant to permit parties to assert new grounds for relief.” (quotation and
    alterations omitted)). A majority of this court has now voted to deny rehearing en
    banc. In response, the Dissent asserts this court’s refusal to set aside Capps
    subjects both Games-Perez and criminal defendants generally to a continuing
    injustice. Dissenting Op. at 1.
    ***
    Before addressing the Dissent’s assertion of injustice and concomitant
    claim that the merits of its plain-language argument are undeniably correct, it is
    necessary to identify substantial procedural impediments to addressing the issue
    set out in the Dissent. As noted above, the crux of the Dissent is its assertion
    that, taken together, §§ 922(g)(1) and 924(a)(2) plainly and unambiguously
    2
    A review of Games-Perez’s panel briefs reveals not a single citation to
    § 924(a)(2), the statutory provision the Dissent relies on in pressing its “plain
    language” argument. Likewise, Games-Perez’s panel briefing never uses the term
    “plain language,” or anything comparable, in asserting the district court erred
    when it denied his proposed jury instruction. Instead, Games-Perez narrowly
    limits his arguments to the contention Capps did not control his case because he
    was asserting a mistake of fact and Capps involved a mistake of law.
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    require the government to prove a defendant’s awareness of his felonious status to
    obtain a conviction for violating the terms of § 922(g)(1). Dissenting Op. at 2-6.
    As recognized by the Dissent, however, the very first time this issue was raised in
    this case was in the panel concurrence. Id. at 3. To be clear, at no point in its
    filings before the district court did Games-Perez ever assert Capps was wrongly
    decided. Instead, in his motion in limine, he argued only that his case was
    distinguishable from Capps because Capps involved a mistake of law and he was
    asserting a mistake of fact.
    Games-Perez affirmatively waived the issue set out in his petition for
    rehearing when he entered his guilty plea in district court. The record makes
    clear Games-Perez entered into a conditional guilty plea pursuant to the terms of
    Fed. R. Crim. P. 11(a)(2). “Although a defendant may not normally appeal his
    conviction after pleading guilty, ‘[w]ith the consent of the court and the
    government, a defendant may enter a conditional plea of guilty or nolo
    contendere, reserving in writing the right to have an appellate court review an
    adverse determination of a specified pretrial motion.’” United States v. Anderson,
    
    374 F.3d 955
    , 957 (10th Cir. 2004). Accordingly, Games-Perez is entitled to raise
    his belated plain-language argument only if he reserved that issue in his
    conditional guilty plea. 
    Id.
    In his motion to enter a conditional guilty plea, Games-Perez indicated as
    follows: “Defendant by this motion[] seeks to reserve ‘in writing’ the right to
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    have an appellate court review this Court’s adverse determination issued on
    September 10, 2010 (Doc. 39)[, i.e., the district court’s] order denying
    Defendant’s Motion in Limine (Doc. 27) filed on August 18, 2010.” As
    recognized by the Dissent, the issue Games-Perez now seeks to bring before the
    court was not included in Games-Perez’s motion in limine. Dissenting Op. at 3
    (recognizing that the first time the issue was raised was when it was raised in the
    panel concurrence). 3 The district court’s minute order memorializing the terms of
    the conditional plea specifically noted that “the issue being reserved for appeal is
    stated in defendant’s motion to enter a conditional plea.” Thus, the record makes
    clear Games-Perez did not preserve the issue upon which he seeks en banc
    review. Furthermore, because this late- arriving argument is clearly within the
    scope of the waiver, 4 was the product of a knowing and voluntary guilty plea, and
    3
    Games-Perez’s motion in limine makes absolutely clear he was not in any
    way challenging the correctness of Capps. That motion specifically
    “incorporates, as if fully set forth herein[,] the argument and reasoning of the
    [district court] in Matlack.” Motion in Limine at 4; see United States v. Matlack,
    No. 09-00531, 
    2010 WL 2682110
    , at *3 (D. Colo. 2010) (specifically recognizing
    validity of Capps, but asserting it did not address the question whether a mistake
    of fact could serve as a defense to a § 922(g)(1) weapons charge).
    4
    See United States v. Anderson, 
    374 F.3d 955
    , 957-58 (10th Cir. 2004)
    (rejecting defendant’s argument “that, even though he did not specifically raise
    his current argument before the District Court, it falls within the scope of his
    reserved appellate rights because he timely raised a suppression-of- the-evidence
    claim under a different theory below”).
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    does not result in a miscarriage of justice, 5 summary denial of Games-Perez’s en
    banc petition is appropriate. Anderson, 
    374 F.3d at 957-59, 957
    .
    According to the Dissent, the government is foreclosed from prevailing on
    this theory because it “has not raised a Rule 11 waiver objection on its own
    motion.” Dissenting Op. at 12. Given the procedural history of this case, the
    Dissent’s suggestion in this regard is surprising. Consistent with the terms of his
    conditional guilty plea, Games-Perez did not raise before the panel the legal issue
    now before the en banc court. Nevertheless, the panel concurrence reached out
    and raised the argument on behalf of Games-Perez. Having been given the green
    light to ignore the obligations set out in his plea agreement, Games-Perez raised
    the issue for the very first time in his petition for rehearing. But see Charley, 
    189 F.3d at
    1264 n.16 (“It is axiomatic that petitions for rehearing are permitted to
    enable parties to notify, and to correct, errors of fact or law on the issues already
    presented; they are not meant to permit parties to assert new grounds for relief.”
    (quotation and alterations omitted)). 6 Now, because the government has not
    5
    See Anderson, 
    374 F.3d at 959
     (narrowly defining miscarriage of justice as
    including only the following four situations: “[1] where the district court relied on
    an impermissible factor such as race, [2] where ineffective assistance of counsel
    in connection with the negotiation of the waiver renders the waiver invalid, [3]
    where the sentence exceeds the statutory maximum, or [4] where the waiver is
    otherwise unlawful” (quotation omitted)).
    6
    The Dissent never acknowledges the holding in Charley, let alone attempts
    to justify why it is appropriate to disregard that rule and allow Games-Perez to
    raise the plain-language argument now before the en banc court when he never
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    asserted a waiver defense in response to an issue raised for the very first time by
    this court in a panel concurrence, the dissent asserts the government waived the
    Rule 11 waiver. But see Jordan v. U.S. Dep’t of Justice, 
    668 F.3d 1188
    , 1200
    (10th Cir. 2011) (“We have long said that we may affirm on any basis supported
    in the record, even if it requires ruling on arguments not reached by the district
    court or even presented to us on appeal.” (emphasis added)). The Dissent’s
    selective disregard of procedural impediments to reaching the merits of Games-
    Perez’s late-arriving, waived, and forfeited plain-language argument, coupled
    with its refusal to consider alternate procedural avenues for affirming the district
    court’s judgment, perfectly illustrate the dangers of ignoring the adversarial
    process that serves as the foundation of our legal system. 7
    6
    (...continued)
    raised it before the district court or the panel. Setting aside for the moment the
    waiver embodied in Games-Perez’s conditional plea, the binding nature of Capps
    was no impediment to him preserving the issue. Cf. United States v. Antonio-
    Agusta, 
    672 F.3d 1209
    , 1211 n.1 (conceding claim of error failed because panel
    was bound by existing Tenth Circuit precedent, but preserving for en banc review
    challenge to correctness of that precedent); Lowery v. Cnty. of Riley, 
    522 F.3d 1086
    , 1092 (10th Cir. 2008) (same); Brown v. Sirmons, 
    515 F.3d 1072
    , 1091 (10th
    Cir. 2008) (same); United States v. VanDam, 
    493 F.3d 1194
    , 1198 n.2 (10th Cir.
    2007) (same).
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    The Dissent asserts there was nothing irregular about the panel
    concurrence’s decision to raise, on behalf of Games-Perez, the argument now at
    issue before the en banc court. According to the Dissent, “it is entirely consistent
    with our generally adversarial process and nothing at all irregular for a court to
    give voice to the plain language of a controlling statute written by Congress even
    if the parties fail to do so.” Dissenting Op. at 12 n.5 (citing United States Nat.
    Bank of Ore. v. Independent Ins. Agents of America, Inc., 
    508 U.S. 439
    , 448
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    Even setting aside the waiver flowing from his guilty plea, another
    significant procedural impediment precludes this court from granting Games-
    Perez relief on the issue belatedly raised in his petition for rehearing. Because
    Games-Perez never raised before the district court the validity of Capps vis-à-vis
    the plain language of §§ 922(g)(1) and 924(a)(2), the issue is forfeited. Fed. R.
    Crim. P. 52(b); Puckett v. United States, 
    556 U.S. 129
    , 134 (2009) (“If a litigant
    believes that an error has occurred (to his detriment) during a federal judicial
    proceeding, he must object in order to preserve the issue. If he fails to do so in a
    timely manner, his claim for relief from the error is forfeited.”). To obtain
    appellate relief on a claim of error forfeited in the district court, an appellant must
    satisfy the exacting dictates of Rule 52(b) by demonstrating the existence of a
    “plain error.” Puckett, 556 U.S. at 134-35. “Plain error occurs when there is (1)
    7
    (...continued)
    (1993) and United States v. Charles, 
    576 F.3d 1060
    , 1066 (10th Cir. 2009)). The
    problem with the Dissent’s assertion is that neither of these cases address an issue
    subject to a conditional waiver. And, more importantly, the Dissent has not cited
    a single case indicating our obligation to resolve legal disputes empowers this
    court to disregard the terms of a conditional guilty plea in order to address a legal
    question the parties did not bring before us. After all, the very purpose of Rule
    11(a)(2) is to preserve prosecutorial and judicial resources by allowing the parties
    to “identify precisely what pretrial issues have been preserved for appellate
    review.” Fed. R. Crim. P. 11(a)(2) advisory comm. notes (1983). Thus, Rule
    11(a)(2) contemplates the parties will bring only specified issues to this court,
    leaving unreviewed other legal disputes settled by the parties as part of the
    process of negotiating a plea agreement. The Dissent’s novel view of error
    correction wipes away the issue-specific nature of the Rule 11(a)(2) conditional
    plea, empowering this court to sua sponte redraft the parties’ contract.
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    error, (2) that is plain, which (3) affects substantial rights, and which (4)
    seriously affects the fairness, integrity, or public reputation of judicial
    proceedings.” United States v. Gonzalez-Huerta, 
    403 F.3d 727
    , 732 (10th Cir.
    2005) (en banc) (quotation omitted). Because Games-Perez raised this issue for
    the first time in his petition for rehearing, he has never even acknowledged the
    applicability of the plain error doctrine, let alone attempted to satisfy its
    requirements. Richison v. Ernest Group, Inc., 
    634 F.3d 1123
    , 1130-31 (10th Cir.
    2011) (“[Appellant] hasn’t even attempted to show how his new legal theory
    satisfies the plain error standard. And the failure to do so—the failure to argue
    for plain error and its application on appeal—surely marks the end of the road for
    an argument for reversal not first presented to the district court.”). Given this
    procedural state of affairs, this case is simply not an appropriate vehicle to now
    take up the issue addressed at length in the Dissent.
    This court has “long said that we may affirm on any basis supported in the
    record, even if it requires arguments not reached by the district court or even
    presented to us on appeal.” Jordan v. U.S. Dep’t of Justice, 
    668 F.3d 1188
    , 1200
    (10th Cir. 2011) (emphasis added). 8 Thus, it is neither unusual nor unjust for this
    8
    This court has explained the basis for the differing treatment of appellants
    and appellees as follows:
    Our adversarial system endows the parties with the opportunity—and
    duty—to craft their own legal theories for relief in the district court.
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    court to identify a procedural impediment to reversing the district court’s
    judgment in this case, i.e., Games-Perez has forfeited the issue upon which he
    seeks en banc review and has not even attempted to satisfy the plain-error
    requirements. Dissenting Op. at 12 & n.5. Instead, what is highly irregular is for
    this court to raise an issue sua sponte as a basis for reversing the district court.
    8
    (...continued)
    It is the significant but limited job of our appellate system to correct
    errors made by the district court in assessing the legal theories
    presented to it, not to serve as a second-shot forum where secondary,
    back-up theories may be mounted for the first time. Affording
    plenary appellate review to newly raised legal theories would do
    much to undermine this adversarial and appellate order. . . .
    This reluctance to command do-overs in the district court is
    also why we treat arguments for affirming the district court
    differently than arguments for reversing it. We have long said that
    we may affirm on any basis supported by the record, even if it
    requires ruling on arguments not reached by the district court or even
    presented to us on appeal. This preference for affirmance no doubt
    follows from the deference we owe to the district courts and the
    judgments they reach, many times only after years of involved and
    expensive proceedings. Because of the cost and risk involved
    anytime we upset a court’s reasoned judgment, we are ready to
    affirm whenever the record allows it. So it is that appellants must
    always shoulder a heavy burden—they must come ready both to show
    the district court’s error and, when necessary, to explain why no
    other grounds can support affirmance of the district court’s decision.
    And this burden is rightfully all the higher when the argument for
    reversal wasn’t even presented to the lower court.
    Richison v. Ernest Group, Inc., 
    634 F.3d 1123
    , 1130 (10th Cir. 2011). Richison
    makes clear appellants like Games-Perez carry a burden of not only rebutting the
    grounds relied on by a district court in ruling for the appellee, but also a “heavy
    burden” of rebutting potential grounds for affirmance not actually relied on by the
    district court. Richison, 
    634 F.3d at 1130
    .
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    Cone v. Bell, 
    556 U.S. 449
    , 482 (2009) (“Appellate courts generally do not reach
    out to decide issues not raised by the appellant.”).
    Games-Perez’s forfeiture of this issue is not excused merely because the
    district court did not have the power to overrule Capps. The Supreme Court has
    specifically rejected the creation of exceptions to the plain language of Rule
    52(b). See Johnson v. United States, 
    520 U.S. 461
    , 465-66 (1997); see also
    Richison, 
    634 F.3d at 1129
     (“[T]he Supreme Court has cautioned us (repeatedly)
    against creating unwarranted exceptions to plain error review in the criminal
    context.”). Johnson involved a prosecution for perjury. Id. at 463. Pursuant to
    then-extant Eleventh Circuit precedent, the district court instructed the jury that
    the question of materiality was one of law for the court to decide. Id. at 464.
    After Johnson’s conviction, but before her appeal to the Eleventh Circuit, the
    Supreme Court “held that the materiality of a false statement must be submitted to
    the jury rather than decided by the trial judge.” Id. (citing United States v.
    Gaudin, 
    515 U.S. 506
     (1995)). Even though a trial objection on the part of
    Johnson would have most certainly been overruled given existing Eleventh Circuit
    precedent, the Supreme Court nevertheless applied the Rule 52 plain-error
    standard specifically because Johnson failed to lodge just such an objection at
    trial. Id. at 465-66. This court has been similarly unwilling to allow appellants to
    avoid the unambiguous dictates of Rule 52 in situations similar to the present
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    case. Gonzalez-Huerta, 
    403 F.3d at 732
    ; United States v. Schleibaum, 
    130 F.3d 947
    , 949 (10th Cir. 1997). 9
    9
    The Dissent suggests there may exist a relaxed standard for the specificity
    of objections when an objection would be inconsistent with binding circuit
    precedent. Dissenting Op. at 13 n.6 (“Does a party seeking to distinguish adverse
    precedent waive or forfeit the logically antecedent question whether the precedent
    itself [is] erroneous?”). As set out above, however, Johnson specifically rejected
    the creation of any exceptions to the plain language of Rule 52(b). Johnson, 
    520 U.S. at 466
     (“Even less appropriate than an unwarranted expansion of the Rule
    would be the creation out of whole cloth of an exception to it, an exception which
    we have no authority to make.”); see also Jimenez v. Wood Cnty., 
    660 F.3d 841
    ,
    846 (5th Cir. 2011) (en banc) (“The language of [the Civil Rules analog to Rule
    52(b) involving jury instructions] clearly sets forth the requirements for
    preserving error and makes no exception for situations where objection would be
    futile because of controlling precedent.”). Furthermore, none of the Supreme
    Court cases cited by the Dissent as evidence of this potential relaxed standard
    involve the Federal Rules. Instead, those cases involve court-developed rules of
    appellate waiver. See Jimenez, 660 F.3d at 846 n.8 (rejecting argument nearly
    identical to the theory advanced by the Dissent). “Whereas courts are free to
    carve out exceptions to their own rules of appellate waiver, federal rules of
    procedure are ‘as binding as any statute duly enacted by Congress, and federal
    courts have no more discretion to disregard [a] Rule’s mandate than they do to
    disregard constitutional or statutory provisions.’” Id. (quoting Bank of Nova
    Scotia v. United States, 
    487 U.S. 250
    , 255 (1988)).
    Likewise, the Dissent errs in suggesting that anytime an appellant attempts
    to distinguish a precedent from this court, he has preserved for en banc review an
    attack on the correctness of that precedent. Dissenting Op. at 13 n.6. Federal
    Rule of Criminal Procedure 51 provides that to preserve a claim of error a
    defendant must specifically inform the district court of the grounds for the
    objection. Fed. R. Crim. P. 51(b). This court’s precedents are “clear that an
    objection must be definite enough to indicate to the district court the precise
    ground for a party’s complaint.” United States v. Winder, 
    557 F.3d 1129
    , 1136
    (10th Cir. 2009) (quotations omitted); see also United States v. Bass, 
    661 F.3d 1299
    , 1303 (10th Cir. 2011); United States v. Bedford, 
    536 F.3d 1148
    , 1153 n.4
    (10th Cir. 2008); cf. Richison, 
    634 F.3d at 1129-30
     (discussing at length injustice
    of allowing appellants the unfettered right to assert on appeal “legal theories”
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    The Dissent asserts this court should disregard Games-Perez’s forfeiture
    because it was not raised by the government in its response to the petition for
    rehearing en banc. Dissenting Op. at 11-12. This court has, however, rejected
    the notion that an appellant can ignore its own forfeiture in an opening merits
    brief. McKissick v. Yuen, 
    618 F.3d 1177
    , 1189-90 (10th Cir. 2010). In
    McKissick, the appellant attempted to raise on appeal an argument not raised
    before the district court. 
    Id. at 1189
    . This court held her failure to set out the
    appropriate standard of review and argue her entitlement to relief under that
    standard doomed her appeal:
    Ms. McKissick’s failure to develop her arguments adequately
    in the district court either forfeited (if her failure was unintentional)
    or waived (if her failure was intentional) them in that court. Which
    it is, however, we cannot tell. No doubt, Ms. McKissick would
    prefer forfeiture, where at least plain error appellate review is
    possible, rather than waiver where appellate review may be lost
    altogether. See United States v. Cruz–Rodriguez, 
    570 F.3d 1179
    ,
    1183–84 (10th Cir. 2009). But her opening appellate brief neither
    identifies which standard of review she thinks pertains to her
    argument nor provides any defense of that standard’s application.
    This despite our longstanding rules requiring parties to identify
    where in the record they raised the point of error they seek to correct
    on appeal, 10th Cir. R. 28.2(C)(2), to state what standard of review
    they think applies to our review of that point of error, Fed. R. App.
    P. 28(a)(9)(B), and to develop any argument for reversal in their
    opening appellate brief or risk having it held waived, see Hill v.
    Kemp, 
    478 F.3d 1236
    , 1250–51 (10th Cir. 2007); Headrick v.
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    (...continued)
    different from those raised in the district court). Thus, the Dissent has offered up
    no support for its novel futility exception to plain error review.
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    Rockwell Int’l Corp., 
    24 F.3d 1272
    , 1277–78 (10th Cir.1994) (White,
    J., sitting by designation).
    In these circumstances, even if Ms. McKissick’s duress
    arguments were merely forfeited before the district court, her failure
    to explain in her opening appellate brief why this is so and how they
    survive the plain error standard waives the arguments in this court.
    A party cannot count on us to pick out, argue for, and apply a
    standard of review for it on our own initiative, without the benefit of
    the adversarial process, and without any opportunity for the
    adversely affected party to be heard on the question. See Herrera v.
    City of Albuquerque, 
    589 F.3d 1064
    , 1075 (10th Cir. 2009); United
    States v. Solomon, 
    399 F.3d 1231
    , 1238 (10th Cir. 2005); cf. Hill,
    
    478 F.3d at 1251
     (noting that, when left without briefing from the
    parties, courts “run the risk of an improvident or ill-advised opinion,
    given our dependence as an Article III court on the adversarial
    process” (internal quotation marks omitted)).
    Id. at 1189-90 (footnote omitted). As was true in McKissick, Games-Perez never
    set out in his petition for rehearing en banc the appropriate standard of review nor
    developed an argument for relief under the applicable standard. 10 Nor, according
    10
    According to the Dissent:
    Games-Perez very well may be able to satisfy plain error review if he
    had to. See Fed. R. Crim. P. 52(b) (courts may correct “plain error . .
    . even though it was not brought to the court’s attention”). After all,
    and as he has argued to us in his petition for rehearing, the error here
    is plain on the statute’s face, it affects his substantial rights, and it is
    difficult to think of many errors reflecting more poorly on our legal
    system than imprisoning a man without first requiring him to be tried
    under the terms Congress expressly prescribed.
    Dissenting Op. at 13. But cf. McKissick v. Yuen, 
    618 F.3d 1177
    , 1189 (10th Cir.
    2010) (“A party cannot count on us to pick out, argue for, and apply a standard of
    review for it on our own initiative, without the benefit of the adversarial process,
    and without any opportunity for the adversely affected party to be heard on the
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    to McKissick, is he excused from doing so by the government’s failure to raise the
    issue here, in its response to the petition for rehearing. That being the case, no
    matter the questionable merits of his plain-language argument, he is not entitled
    to prevail on appeal.
    ***
    Even setting the substantial procedural impediments to the side, there are
    numerous additional considerations counseling against reviewing this case en
    banc. To begin, the Dissent’s assertion of injustice is not particularly compelling.
    In particular, Games-Perez’s assertion of ignorance of his felonious status is
    dubious and the Dissent has failed to demonstrate the question at issue here recurs
    with any frequency. Furthermore, the merits of the Dissent’s plain-language
    theory are far from clear. Additionally, the decision in Capps is long-standing,
    well-entrenched, and, importantly, consistent with the views of every circuit to
    10
    (...continued)
    question.”). Although the Dissent’s merits assertions in this regard are debatable,
    what is not debatable is Games-Perez’s utter failure to raise and argue an
    entitlement to relief under the plain error standard. To be clear, the words
    “plain,” “substantial rights,” and “fairness, integrity, or public reputation of
    judicial proceedings” never appear in Games-Perez’s petition for rehearing en
    banc. Likewise, there is not a single cite to Rule 52(b) in Games-Perez’s petition.
    Under such circumstances, it cannot be that the Dissent is suggesting Games-
    Perez’s late-arriving plain-language theory serves the additional role of a plain-
    error argument
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    address the question. Given all these considerations, this is not the appropriate
    case to reach out and create a circuit split.
    The Dissent begins by asserting in its first sentence: “People sit in prison
    because our circuit’s case law allows the government to put them there without
    proving a statutorily specified element of the charged crime. Today this court
    votes narrowly, 6 to 4, against revisiting this state of affairs.” Dissenting Op. at
    1. The Dissent’s tacit assertion of injustice is not convincing. The assertion of
    injustice depends entirely on the Dissent’s view of the merits. And, as set out at
    length below, there is serious reason to doubt the Dissent’s assertion that the
    statutes at issue here are plain and unambiguous on their face. 11 Furthermore, the
    record before the court in this case contains no mention of the Dissent’s
    hypothetical prisoners. Nor does the Dissent cite to any cases from this court
    involving a credible claim of ignorance of felonious status. In fact, Games-Perez
    asserts in his panel briefing that this court has never before faced a credible claim
    of factual ignorance of felonious status. 12 Appellant’s Reply Brief at 4. More
    11
    It bears repeating that every circuit court to address this question has
    reached the same result as this court in Capps: knowledge of felonious status is
    not an element of a § 922(g)(1) offense. United States v. Games-Perez, 
    667 F.3d 1136
    , 1141-42 (10th Cir. 2012).
    12
    In an effort to demonstrate this case is worthy of en banc review, the
    Dissent asserts the legal question now at issue in this case touches numerous
    individuals. Dissenting Op. at 1, 10 n.4. As the Dissent acknowledges, however,
    this assertion does not find any support in the record of this case or other cases
    from this circuit. 
    Id.
     at 10 n.4 (“[A]dmittedly, I have not tried to delve into old
    (continued...)
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    12
    (...continued)
    case files to identify exactly how many other individuals were denied a triable
    defense under the law Congress wrote. But it’s evident enough Mr. Games-Perez
    was — and one such case is one too many.”); see also 
    id.
     (“[W]e can, as well,
    only guess how many more defendants with a triable claim have ended up
    pleading guilty or forgoing a potentially winning argument at trial or on appeal
    because erroneous existing precedents like Capps foreclose it.”). The Dissent’s
    highly abstract assertion of universal injustice does little to demonstrate this issue
    is worthy of en banc review. Fed. R. App. P. 35(a)(2) (providing en banc review
    is “not favored” and will not be granted unless “the proceeding involves a
    question of exceptional importance”). That is, the Dissent asks this court to
    assume that with some regularity individuals are sent to prison despite a credible
    claim of ignorance of felonious status. A contrary assumption is far more
    defensible: one can safely assume an individual with a felony conviction will
    almost always know he is a convicted felon. Absent some credible evidence to
    the contrary, it is highly unlikely a significant number of individuals, if any, are
    sent to prison in the face of a credible claim of ignorance of felonious status.
    Nor is the Dissent correct in asserting “[d]efendants in several other cases
    in our circuit have unsuccessfully sought to require the government to bear its
    burden of proving they knew they were felons.” Dissenting Op. at 10 n.4. In
    support of this assertion, the Dissent cites to Capps, United States v. Rodriguez,
    63 F. App’x 458, 459 (10th Cir. 2003), and United States v. Matlack, No. 09-
    00531 (D. Colo.). As Capps makes clear, the defendant in that case did not argue
    he was unaware of his felonious status. 
    77 F.3d at 353
    . Instead, Capps asserted
    his ignorance of the law, rather than ignorance of his felonious status, excused his
    violation of § 922(g)(1). Id. (“Capps asserts that his reasonable misinterpretation
    of the effect of state law on his federal conviction negates an element of the
    offense. However, we have held that whether a prior conviction serves as a
    predicate under § 922(g)(1) is a question of law. Therefore, his complaint is
    essentially one of ignorance of the law—‘I thought the law applied differently
    than it does.’”). Thus, rather than asserting the government had to prove he was
    aware of his felonious status to obtain a conviction, Capps was asserting the
    government had to prove he was aware it was illegal for him to possess a weapon
    to obtain a conviction. Id. As to Rodriguez, the opinion gives absolutely no
    indication whether the claimed ignorance of felonious status was remotely
    credible. Finally, the district court decision in Matlack specifically recognizes
    the decision allowing a factual-innocence defense “has limited practical
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    fundamentally, there is a strong and principled reason to doubt Games-Perez’s
    claimed ignorance of his status as a felon. The panel majority opinion indicates
    quite clearly that Games-Perez knew he would lose the benefit of his plea bargain
    if he were to possess a weapon while on probation for a deferred state felony
    conviction. 13 Games-Perez, 
    667 F.3d at 1142
    ; see also 
    id. at 1145
     (Gorsuch, J.,
    12
    (...continued)
    applicability” because a legitimate claim of factual innocence will be exceedingly
    rare. United States v. Matlack, No. 09-00531, 
    2010 WL 2682110
    , at *3 (D. Colo.
    July 1, 2010). That being the case, this court is left only with the Dissent’s
    abstract assertion of injustice. That abstraction is simply not sufficient to render
    this case exceptionally important. Fed. R. App. P. 35(a).
    Relying on dicta from this court’s decision in United States v. Platte, 
    401 F.3d 1176
    , 1184 (10th Cir. 2005), the Dissent asserts it matters not that Capps
    involved a mistake of law, because either a mistake of law or of fact can negate
    the mens rea for the crime in question. Dissenting Op. at 10 n.4. The problem, of
    course, is that it is far from clear the dicta in Platte has any application to the
    facts of this case. Cf. United States v. Mains, 
    33 F.3d 1222
    , 1229-30 (10th Cir.
    1994) (rejecting argument that ignorance of the law is a defense to possession of a
    sawed-off shotgun and holding, instead, that “mens rea requires only knowledge
    of the facts that make conduct illegal; ignorance of the law itself is no defense to
    criminal prosecution”).
    13
    As aptly noted in the panel majority opinion:
    [Games-Perez] claims that he . . . was operating under a
    mistaken view of the facts, based upon ambiguities he was told by
    his attorney and the judge at the time of his deferred conviction in
    state court. We disagree with this view. [Games-Perez] was
    informed repeatedly, both orally and in writing, that he needed to
    follow all the provisions of his probation if he wished to take
    advantage of the opportunity to have his felony conviction erased.
    He was told repeatedly, both orally and in writing, that possession of
    a firearm was a clear violation of his probation.
    (continued...)
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    concurring in the judgment) (recognizing the record contained “a certain amount
    of evidence suggesting that Mr. Games-Perez was aware he had a felony
    conviction”). All this being the case, it is difficult to take too seriously the
    Dissent’s assertion that the court’s denial of en banc review results in a clear and
    obvious injustice.
    More importantly, the resolution of the legal issue presented in the petition
    for rehearing is simply not as clear as the Dissent suggests. The Dissent asserts
    that the seminal decision on the question, United States v. Langley, 
    62 F.3d 602
    (4th Cir 1995), is unpersuasive because the court never supplies any reason for
    concluding the insertion of a mens rea into a penalty provision renders the reach
    of the mens rea requirement ambiguous. Dissenting Op. at 7-8 & n.2. A quick
    review of Langley verifies the contrary is true. The Fourth Circuit unanimously
    13
    (...continued)
    So, regardless of whatever else [Games-Perez] may have
    thought, it was pellucidly clear to him that he could not violate his
    probation, by possessing a firearm, and escape the consequences of
    his felony conviction. He was expressly told those consequences
    could include affecting a subsequent conviction. He informed the
    court that he had talked at length to his attorney about the matter,
    and the court repeatedly asked him about his understanding of the
    proceedings, to which he assured the court of his understanding.
    Thus, Mr. Games–Perez knew, as a matter of fact, that he was losing
    the benefit of his bargain when he picked up a gun while on
    probation. He just did not know the legal consequences of it—up to
    ten years in federal prison. That is simply ignorance of the law,
    which . . . has never excused disobeyance of a law.
    United States v. Games-Perez, 
    667 F.3d 1136
    , 1142 (10th Cir. 2012).
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    concluded the statutory scheme was ambiguous based on the insertion of a
    scienter requirement into a penalty provision, 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (a), rather than into
    the provision criminalizing the act of possession of a firearm by a convicted
    felon, 
    18 U.S.C. § 922
    (g)(1). Langley, 
    62 F.3d at 604-05
     (stating issue on appeal
    was whether insertion of the term “knowingly” in a provision setting penalties for
    gun crimes mandated a scienter as to each element of a 922(g)(1) offense); 
    id. at 610-11
     (Phillips, J., concurring and dissenting) (concluding, after discussing at
    length the oddity of inserting a mens rea requirement into a penalty provision,
    that it was appropriate to resort to legislative history “because the statutory text is
    ambiguous”) 14; see also United States v. Sherbondy, 
    865 F.2d 996
    , 1001 (9th Cir.
    14
    The Dissent asserts that Langley “never supplies any reason for the
    claimed ambiguity.” Dissenting Op at 7. In so asserting, the Dissent ignores the
    unanimity of the Fourth Circuit’s conclusion that the statutes at issue here are
    ambiguous and the lengthy discussion in the Langley dissent as to why that is
    true. Langley, 
    62 F.3d at 610-11
     (Phillips, J., concurring and dissenting). The
    Dissent also fails to recognize that the very context of the Langley appeal
    demonstrates the ambiguity: the district court in that case concluded the insertion
    of the term “knowingly” in § 924(a)(2) did not have any bearing on the mens rea
    requirement for any substantive offense.
    The district court’s . . . holding was based on its reasoning that
    § 924(a) itself does not define any substantive criminal offenses, but
    simply provides penalties for offenses which are defined elsewhere in
    Chapter 44, and that Congress could not have intended its insertion
    of “knowingly” in such a provision to have any bearing on the mens
    rea requirements for any substantive offense. Instead, the court
    thought that Congress had intended the “knowingly” language to
    mean only that the specific penalties provided in § 924(a) could be
    imposed upon an individual convicted of a Chapter 44 offense only if
    (continued...)
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    1988) (“The FOPA amendments are somewhat confusing. Normally, the mens rea
    for a crime is set out as part of the substantive offense, not as part of a penalties
    provision . . . .”). 15 Thus, it is simply not accurate to imply the Fourth Circuit
    14
    (...continued)
    the government proved—not beyond a reasonable doubt, but under
    the lesser preponderance standard applicable to sentencing
    factors—that he had committed that offense with a “knowing” state
    of mind. The district court’s reading of the statute has some
    superficial plausibility, for the mens rea elements of a crime are
    normally set out in the provisions that define the substantive offense
    itself, not in separate penalty provisions. But this could not have
    been what was intended by Congress here.
    Langley, 
    62 F.3d at 610
     (Phillips, J., concurring and dissenting). The Dissent
    nevertheless asserts this discussion in Langley is irrelevant for two reasons: (1) it
    comes “from the dissent, not the majority; and (2) it does not address the issue of
    ambiguity at all, but instead to whether the “knowingly” language in § 924(a)(2)
    is a sentencing factor. Dissenting Op. at 8 n.2. The Dissent’s first assertion fails
    to recognize that the Fourth Circuit unanimously concluded the statutory
    provisions were ambiguous. Its second is simply wrong, as the passage quoted
    above demonstrates. It is the very decision to place the mens rea provision in the
    penalty provision that creates the ambiguity.
    15
    As both Langley and Sherbondy note, this particular statutory oddity is
    further compounded by the presence of 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (e), which provides
    enhanced penalties for certain types of criminal recidivists: “In the case of a
    person who violates section 922(g) of this title and has three previous convictions
    . . . for a violent felony or a serious drug offense, or both, . . . such person shall
    be fined under this title and imprisoned not less than fifteen years . . . .” It is
    important to note that § 924(e), which will apply in some cases to the exclusion of
    § 924(a), does not contain any mens rea provision. The Dissent asserts the
    omission of a mens rea requirement from § 924(e) tells us nothing about the
    meaning of § 924(a)(2). Dissenting Op. at 8-9. As the Supreme Court has made
    clear, however, “individual sections of a single statute should be construed
    together.” Erlenbaugh v. United States, 
    409 U.S. 239
    , 244 (1972). The absence
    of a mens rea in the statutory provision setting out enhanced penalties for the
    most serious violations of § 922(g)(1), 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (e), surely creates some
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    ignored the statutory text and turned directly to legislative history in interpreting
    §§ 922(g)(1) and 924(a)(2).
    Nor, for those reasons stated so aptly by the courts in Langley and
    Sherbondy, can one confidently declare that the language of §§ 922(g)(1) and
    924(a)(2) is so plain in imposing a mens rea requirement as to a defendant’s
    status as a felon that all the other circuits addressing this question were
    undoubtedly wrong in turning to legislative history to aid interpretation of these
    statutes. Further, as recognized in the panel concurring opinion, the legislative
    history is “stocked with ample artillery for everyone.” Games-Perez, 
    667 F.3d at 1144
     (Gorsuch, J., concurring in the judgment). Thus, the Dissent’s assertion that
    the resolution of the legal issue in this case is so clear and obvious as to be
    beyond doubt is simply not so.
    When coupled with two additional considerations, this lack of clarity as to
    the merits counsels strongly against en banc review. First and foremost, the
    circuits have historically been loath to create a split where none exists. See, e.g.,
    Throneberry v. McGehee Desha Cnty. Hosp., 
    403 F.3d 972
    , 979 (8th Cir. 2005)
    (“[T]he Tenth Circuit’s decision . . . is the only decision from a circuit court
    clearly addressing whether the FMLA mandates strict liability for any
    15
    (...continued)
    question about the meaning of the mens rea requirement in the provision setting
    out penalties for the more mundane violations of § 922(g)(1), 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (a)(2).
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    interference with an employee’s FMLA rights. By adopting the Tenth Circuit’s
    holding . . . , our decision today avoids a circuit split.”); United States v.
    Alexander, 
    287 F.3d 811
    , 820 (9th Cir. 2002) (“Absent a strong reason to do so,
    we will not create a direct conflict with other circuits.” (quotation and alteration
    omitted)); see also The Wilderness Soc’y v. Kane Cnty., 
    632 F.3d 1162
    , 1187
    (10th Cir. 2011) (en banc) (Lucero, J., dissenting) (criticizing majority for
    creating circuit split); Wilson v. Workman, 
    577 F.3d 1284
    , 1317 (10th Cir. 2009)
    (en banc) (Gorsuch, J., dissenting) (same). As noted in the panel majority
    opinion, every circuit court to address this issue has reached a result consistent
    with Capps. Games-Perez, 
    667 F.3d at 1141
    . The avoidance of unnecessary
    circuit splits furthers the legitimacy of the judiciary and reduces friction flowing
    from the application of different rules to similarly situated individuals based
    solely on their geographic location.
    Second, the rule recognized in the panel opinion has been the law in this
    circuit since 1996, Capps, 
    77 F.3d at 352-53
    , and has been universally accepted in
    the circuits for a similar length of time, Games-Perez, 
    667 F.3d at 1141
    . That
    being the case, the distinctive strand of stare decisis applicable to statutory
    interpretation counsels against altering this court’s long-standing construction of
    the relevant statutes absent compelling circumstances. Cf. Hilton v. S.C. Pub. Ry.
    Comm’n, 
    502 U.S. 197
    , 202 (1991) (“Considerations of stare decisis have special
    force in the area of statutory interpretation, for here, unlike in the context of
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    constitutional interpretation, the legislative power is implicated, and Congress
    remains free to alter what we have done.” (quotation omitted)). 16
    Thus, the en banc court is presented with a lengthy list of factors strongly
    counseling against en banc review. The issue now before the en banc court was
    not raised before the trial court and is, therefore, forfeited and waived. Having
    16
    The Dissent thinks little of these justifications for voting to deny en banc
    consideration. Dissenting Op. at 14-18. In so arguing, however, the Dissent falls
    back on its insistence the merits of this case are so clear that the refusal to take
    the case en banc defies the very purpose of en banc review. Id. at 14 (“But even
    assuming some circumstance exists in which we might legitimately decline to
    apply the unambiguous terms of a congressional statute only to avoid
    disagreement with other circuits — a highly doubtful proposition to begin with —
    it surely cannot be that someone must go to prison just so we can avoid treating
    him better than those other circuits have incorrectly allowed to be put away.”); id.
    at 16-17 (“[T]he point of the en banc process, the very reason for its existence, is
    to correct grave errors in panel precedents when they become apparent, even if
    the panel precedents in question happen to be old or involve questions of statutory
    or regulatory interpretation.”). The Dissent’s assertions in this regard are dubious
    at best. Although the Dissent is certain the plain language of §§ 922(g)(1) and
    924(a)(2) obligates the government to prove a defendant’s awareness of felonious
    status, every circuit to consider the question has reached a contrary conclusion.
    Furthermore, if the proper resolution of the issue were as evident as posited by
    the Dissent, one would think Games-Perez would have raised it before the district
    court and in his appellate briefs. Cf. Dissenting Op. at 4 (arguing the
    government’s failure to offer up an argument based solely on the plain language
    of §§ 922(g)(1) and 924(a)(2) “says something, and something not at all good,
    about the plausibility of our precedent”). If the case truly were as clear cut as the
    Dissent paints it to be, it would undoubtedly be appropriate to en banc it even in
    the face of the potential of creating a circuit split. As noted above, however, the
    merits are subject to serious debate; this court’s precedents are long-standing and
    firmly entrenched; and the arguments at issue here were raised by the panel
    concurrence, rather than being raised by Games-Perez. In these circumstances,
    consideration of the desire to avoid unnecessary circuit splits and the stabilizing
    influence of stare decisis is perfectly appropriate.
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    raised the issue for the first time in his petition for rehearing en banc, Games-
    Perez has not even attempted to satisfy the exacting requirements of Rule 52. As
    the panel majority opinion makes clear, the record indicates Games-Perez was
    well aware of his felonious status. Likewise, the Dissent has not identified a
    single case from this circuit, and there apparently is no such case, where an
    individual was sent to prison in the face of a strong factual case of ignorance of
    felonious status. Furthermore, Congress has failed or refused to amend the
    statutes at issue here over a sixteen-year history during which the circuit courts
    uniformly limited the scienter requirement to knowledge the instrument possessed
    is a firearm. Finally, Supreme Court certiorari review is available to correct an
    erroneous statutory interpretation on the part of the circuit courts. Accordingly,
    this is not a case where the arguments in favor of en banc review overcome the
    rule that en banc review is “not favored.” Fed. R. App. P. 35(a).
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    11-1011, United States v. Games-Perez
    GORSUCH, J., joined by HOLMES, J., dissenting from the denial of rehearing
    en banc:
    People sit in prison because our circuit’s case law allows the government to
    put them there without proving a statutorily specified element of the charged
    crime. Today, this court votes narrowly, 6 to 4, against revisiting this state of
    affairs. So Mr. Games-Perez will remain behind bars, without the opportunity to
    present to a jury his argument that he committed no crime at all under the law of
    the land. Of course, rehearing en banc is reserved only for questions of
    exceptional importance. 10th Cir. R. 35.1(A). And I fully appreciate the
    considered judgment of my colleagues who vote against reconsidering our circuit
    precedent: after all, it is both longstanding and consistent with the rulings of
    several other courts. Even so, I respectfully submit this extraordinary situation
    warrants reconsideration.
    ***
    Mr. Games-Perez was prosecuted under 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (a)(2) for
    “knowingly violat[ing]” § 922(g), a statute that in turn prohibits (1) a convicted
    felon (2) from possessing a firearm (3) in interstate commerce. But to win a
    conviction under our governing panel precedent in United States v. Capps, 
    77 F.3d 350
     (10th Cir. 1996), the government had to prove only that Mr. Games-
    Perez knew he possessed a firearm, not that he also knew he was a convicted
    felon.
    For reasons I’ve already explained and won’t belabor in detail here, it is
    difficult to see how someone might “knowingly violate[]” § 922(g) without
    knowing he satisfies all the substantive elements that make his conduct criminal
    — especially the first substantive element Congress expressly identified. For the
    reader interested in more on all this, my concurring panel opinion offers it.
    United States v. Games-Perez, 
    667 F.3d 1136
    , 1143-45 (10th Cir. 2012) (Gorsuch,
    J., concurring). For current purposes, just stating Capps’s holding makes the
    problem clear enough: its interpretation — reading Congress’s mens rea
    requirement as leapfrogging over the first statutorily specified element and
    touching down only at the second listed element — defies grammatical gravity
    and linguistic logic. Ordinarily, after all, when a criminal statute introduces the
    elements of a crime with the word “knowingly,” that mens rea requirement must
    be applied “to all the subsequently listed [substantive] elements of the crime.”
    Flores-Figueroa v. United States, 
    556 U.S. 646
    , 650 (2009) (emphasis and
    alteration added).
    This court’s failure to hold the government to its congressionally specified
    burden of proof means Mr. Games-Perez might very well be wrongfully
    imprisoned. After all, a state court judge repeatedly (if mistakenly) represented
    to him that the state court deferred judgment on which his current conviction
    hinges did not constitute a felony conviction. See Games-Perez, 
    667 F.3d at 1145
    (Gorsuch, J., concurring). Given these repeated misstatements from the court
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    itself, Mr. Games-Perez surely has a triable claim he didn’t know his state court
    deferred judgment amounted to a felony conviction. Yet, because of our
    precedent in Capps, the government never had to face a trial on this question; it
    never had to prove its case that Mr. Games-Perez knew of his felon status. It was
    allowed instead to imprison him without the question even being asked.
    There can be fewer graver injustices in a society governed by the rule of
    law than imprisoning a man without requiring proof of his guilt under the written
    laws of the land. Yet that is what Capps permits, excusing the government from
    proving an essential element of the crime Congress recognized. When the case
    was before the panel, I was bound by Capps and forced by my duty to precedent
    to countenance its injustice. Now, though, the case is before the en banc court.
    Here, Capps does not control my vote or require the perpetuation of this wrong,
    and here I believe it should be overruled.
    What’s particularly noteworthy at this stage is that the government offers
    no colorable defense of Capps. After my panel concurrence raised doubts about
    that precedent’s consistency with the language of §§ 922(g) and 924(a)(2), Mr.
    Games-Perez filed a petition for rehearing asking the en banc court to reconsider
    it. In his petition, Mr. Games-Perez argued that Capps is inconsistent with the
    statutory language and inconsistent with the proper application of the usual
    canons of statutory interpretation. Yet even when confronted with all this, the
    government’s response to the petition for rehearing does not even attempt to
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    defend Capps on the basis of the statutory language at issue. While not
    dispositive of the statute’s meaning, this glaring omission surely says something,
    and something not at all good, about the plausibility of our precedent and the
    appropriateness of Mr. Games-Perez’s conviction.
    What’s more, the extra-textual argument the government does press in
    response to the petition for rehearing hardly fills the void. The government seeks
    to defend Capps entirely on the basis of a legislative history exegesis found in the
    Fourth Circuit’s divided decision in United States v. Langley, 
    62 F.3d 602
     (4th
    Cir. 1995) (en banc). According to the government, Langley shows that, although
    
    18 U.S.C. § 922
    (g)’s predecessor statutes did not contain an explicit mens rea,
    courts interpreting them required the government to prove that the defendant
    knew the object he possessed was a firearm — but not that the defendant knew of
    his felon status. See Langley, 
    62 F.3d at 604
    . From this, the government
    surmises, when Congress added the word “knowingly” to § 924(a), it must have
    meant only to adopt this judicial gloss and no more.
    The problem with all this is that hidden intentions never trump expressed
    ones. Whatever weight courts may give to judicial interpretations of predecessor
    statutes when the current statute is ambiguous, those prior interpretations of now
    defunct statutes carry no weight when the language of the current statute is clear.
    When the current statute’s language is clear, it must be enforced just as Congress
    wrote it. See Lamie v. U.S. Trustee, 
    540 U.S. 526
    , 534 (2004) (“The starting
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    point in discerning congressional intent is the existing statutory text, and not the
    predecessor statutes. It is well established that when the statute’s language is
    plain, the sole function of the courts . . . is to enforce it according to its terms.”
    (quotation marks and citations omitted)); RadLAX Gateway Hotel, LLC v.
    Amalgamated Bank, 
    132 S. Ct. 2065
    , 2073 (2012) (while pre-enactment practice
    “can be relevant to the interpretation of an ambiguous text” it has no force when
    the text is clear). And whatever the legislative history may or may not suggest
    about Congress’s collective “intent” (putting aside the difficulties of trying to say
    anything definitive about the intent of 535 legislators and the executive, and
    putting aside as well the Langley dissent’s powerful rejoinders about Congress’s
    putative intent in this case), the law before us that survived the gauntlet of
    bicameralism and presentment couldn’t be plainer. By their express terms,
    §§ 922(g) and 924(a)(2) do not authorize the government to imprison Mr. Games-
    Perez and people like him unless and until the government can show they knew of
    their felon status at the time of the alleged offense. The government did not
    attempt to prove as much here. And that is all we need to know. Congress could
    have written the law differently than it did, and it is always free to rewrite the law
    when it wishes. But in our legal order it is the role of the courts to apply the law
    as it is written, not some different law Congress might have written in the past or
    might write in the future.
    -5-
    Besides, even if the government could somehow manage to squeeze an
    ambiguity out of the plain statutory text before us, it faces another intractable
    problem. The Supreme Court has long recognized a “presumption” grounded in
    our common law tradition that a mens rea requirement attaches to “each of the
    statutory elements that criminalize otherwise innocent conduct.” United States v.
    X-Citement Video, Inc., 
    513 U.S. 64
    , 72 (1994); see also Staples v. United States,
    
    511 U.S. 600
    , 610-12 (1994); United States v. U.S. Gypsum Co., 
    438 U.S. 422
    ,
    437-38 (1978); Morissette v. United States, 
    342 U.S. 246
    , 250-53 (1952).
    Together §§ 922(g) and 924(a)(2) operate to criminalize the possession of any
    kind of gun. But gun possession is often lawful and sometimes even protected as
    a matter of constitutional right. The only statutory element separating innocent
    (even constitutionally protected) gun possession from criminal conduct in §§
    922(g) and 924(a) is a prior felony conviction. So the presumption that the
    government must prove mens rea here applies with full force. See Staples, 
    511 U.S. at 613-14
    ; District of Columbia v. Heller, 
    554 U.S. 570
    , 595 (2008). Yet,
    for its part the government never explains how a much disputed legislative record
    can overcome this longstanding interpretive presumption. 1
    1
    A recent divided en banc decision from another circuit illustrates the
    point. See United States v. Burwell, --- F.3d ----, No. 06-3070, 
    2012 WL 3140196
     (D.C. Cir. Aug. 3, 2012). At issue there was another provision of § 924
    that increases the penalty for those who carry a machine gun while committing a
    crime of violence. That statutory provision includes no express mens rea
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    -6-
    ***
    With all the looming problems facing Capps and the government’s failure
    to provide any convincing defense of it, the concurrence today seeks to
    supplement the government’s case with arguments of its own. These arguments
    are principled and thoughtful and they merit careful consideration. In the end,
    however, I respectfully submit, none justifies retaining an erroneous precedent
    and sustaining Mr. Games-Perez’s conviction without holding the government to
    its statutorily prescribed burden of proof.
    First, the concurrence suggests that Langley and United States v.
    Sherbondy, 
    865 F.2d 996
     (9th Cir. 1988), provide Capps and the government with
    their missing textual analysis. See Concurring Op. at 19-22. And it’s certainly
    true that Langley seems to say that the statutes at issue before us are ambiguous,
    and that this ambiguity justifies its expedition into the legislative history thicket.
    The difficulty is, Langley never supplies any reason for the claimed ambiguity.
    1
    (...continued)
    requirement, but even so three dissenting judges concluded that Staples demanded
    proof the defendant knew the weapon he carried was a machine gun. Id. at *16-17
    (Rogers, J., dissenting); id. at 24-26 (Kavanaugh, J., joined by Tatel, J.,
    dissenting). Even for the majority the critical fact counseling against a mens rea
    requirement was the fact that the “machine gun” element was not the only
    distinguishing factor between innocent and criminal conduct. Instead, the
    government also had to prove the defendant intentionally used or carried a firearm
    in connection with a violent crime. Id. at *5. So it was, for the majority, the
    absence of a knowledge requirement there didn’t risk ensnaring otherwise
    innocent individuals. The same, of course, cannot be said of the statutory
    provisions before us.
    -7-
    The two pages of Langley the concurrence cites (
    62 F.3d at 604-05
    ) simply note
    the defendant’s plain language argument, say “[w]e disagree,” and then proceed
    without further delay to a study of statutory history. It’s just an implacable fact
    that Langley — the foundation on which Capps, the government, and all circuit
    case law in this area rests — contains no meaningful effort to confront the plain
    meaning of the statutory text at issue before us. 2 And Sherbondy does even less
    than that to help the government. That case is about another and different
    problem — whether the defendant, in addition to knowing of the facts and
    circumstances that made his conduct criminal, must also be aware that federal law
    criminalizes being a felon in possession. 
    865 F.2d at 1001-02
    . On that score the
    statute might be ambiguous as Sherbondy suggests. But Sherbondy nowhere
    purports to address (let alone answer) the question whether § 924(a)(2)’s express
    mens rea requirement applies to a defendant’s felon status.
    2
    In a footnote, the concurrence points to two more pages from Langley and
    says they contain a “lengthy discussion” of why the statute is ambiguous. See
    Concurring Op. at 20 n.14 (citing Langley, 
    62 F.3d at 610-11
    ) (Phillips, J.,
    concurring and dissenting). But these pages come from the dissent, not the
    majority. Thus, the majority does not explain why the statute is ambiguous. And
    the pages in question address an entirely different issue — whether proof that the
    defendant acted “knowingly” is an essential element of a § 922(g) offense or
    merely a sentencing factor that must be proved only by a preponderance of the
    evidence. Indeed, they appear in an entirely distinct section of the dissent
    addressing that question (Part I.A) while the discussion of the mens rea question
    now before us appears elsewhere (Part I.B).
    -8-
    Second, the concurrence points to the fact that the term “knowingly
    violates” appears in § 924(a)(2) rather than § 922(g). See Concurring Op. at 1
    n.1. But the concurrence does not explain how this fact might save Capps. If
    anything, it does just the opposite, suggesting § 924(a)(2)’s “knowingly” mens
    rea requirement modifies all the substantive elements of § 922(g) and surely at
    least its first. After all, how can a person “knowingly violate” the § 922(g) felon-
    in-possession statute if he doesn’t know he is a felon in possession? See Games-
    Perez, 
    667 F.3d at 1145
     (Gorsuch, J., concurring). The concurrence points out
    that an entirely separate provision of § 924 — subsection (e) — punishes those
    who violate § 922(g) after three prior violent felonies or serious drug offenses,
    and does so without explicitly imposing any mens rea requirement. Concurring
    Op. at 21 n.15. But if this tells us anything about the meaning of § 924(a)(2) —
    which does contain a mens rea element — the contrasting language only
    strengthens the case for giving subsection (a)(2) its plain meaning. See Sosa v.
    Alvarez–Machain, 
    542 U.S. 692
    , 711 n.9 (2004) (“[W]hen the legislature uses
    certain language in one part of the statute and different language in another, the
    court assumes different meanings were intended.”). 3 In any event, whether or not
    3
    In a footnote, the concurrence asserts that it would be questionable to
    read § 924(a) as containing a greater mens rea requirement than § 924(e) when
    the latter provision carries harsher sentences. Concurring Op. at 21-22 n.15. But
    § 924(e) applies to defendants with three or more prior convictions while § 924(a)
    applies to offenders with just one prior conviction. And it is hardly unusual for
    (continued...)
    -9-
    any mens rea might properly be imposed in § 924(e) cases as a matter of judicial
    construction is of course an entirely different question for another day. See, e.g.,
    Staples, 
    511 U.S. at 604-05
    .
    Third, the concurrence insists that, wholly apart from the statutory
    interpretation question, this case is an inappropriate candidate for en banc review
    because there’s “a strong and principled reason to doubt Games-Perez’s claimed
    ignorance of his status as a felon.” Concurring Op. at 18. But, respectfully, it is
    the province of the jury to resolve colorable factual disputes. And as my panel
    concurrence explains in greater detail, the state trial judge in Mr. Games-Perez’s
    predicate felony case repeatedly told him that his deferred judgment was not a
    felony conviction. Games-Perez, 
    667 F.3d at 1145
    . The state judge informed Mr.
    Games-Perez that “if I accept your plea today, hopefully you will leave this
    courtroom not convicted of a felony.” 
    Id.
     And after accepting the plea, the state
    judge said, “I am not entering judgment of conviction at this time, hopefully, I
    never will.” 
    Id.
     Given these facts, Mr. Games-Perez undoubtedly has a triable,
    and quite possibly a winnable, case that he did not know of his felon status.
    Tellingly, after reviewing the relevant state court materials the able federal
    district judge in this case acknowledged that Mr. Games-Perez has “an extremely
    good equitable argument.” R. Vol. I. at 174; see also id. at 159-60. And,
    3
    (...continued)
    the law to treat more harshly those with multiple prior offenses.
    -10-
    tellingly too, the government does not pursue the harmless error argument the
    concurrence now presses on its behalf. 4
    4
    Relatedly, the concurrence says that I have failed to identify “any [other]
    cases from this court . . . involving a credible claim of ignorance of felony
    status.” See Concurring Op. at 16. And, admittedly, I have not tried to delve into
    old case files to identify exactly how many other individuals were denied a triable
    defense under the law Congress wrote. But it’s evident enough Mr. Games-Perez
    was — and one such case is one too many. See William Blackstone, 4
    Commentaries *358 (“Better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent
    suffer.”).
    It is evident enough, as well, that the problem in this case has occurred
    before and will recur again. Defendants in several other cases in our circuit have
    unsuccessfully sought to require the government to bear its burden of proving
    they knew they were felons. See, e.g., Capps, 
    77 F.3d at 351-53
    ; United States v.
    Rodriguez, 63 F. App’x. 458, 459-60 (10th Cir. 2003) (unpublished). While the
    concurrence suggests that these were cases of “legal” rather than “factual”
    ignorance, it does not explain why this distinction matters. In fact, and as this
    court has already explained, a defendant’s mistake of law (here, a mistake about
    the legal status of a prior conviction) precludes a conviction every bit as much as
    a mistake of fact where (as here) the mistake of law negates the mental state
    required for the crime in question. See United States v. Platte, 
    401 F.3d 1176
    ,
    1184 (10th Cir. 2005). The concurrence seeks to dismiss Platte’s discussion as
    dicta, see Concurring Op. at 18 n.12, but offers no rejoinder to quality of its
    reasoning. See Wayne R. LaFave & Austin W. Scott, Jr., Substantive Criminal
    Law § 5.1, at 575-76 (1986) (pursuing the same line of reasoning as Platte).
    Beyond our own circuit cases we know, too, that when (despite Capps) a
    district court recently required the government to prove the defendant’s
    knowledge of his felon status in yet another case, the government quickly
    dismissed its prosecution admitting that “due to the Court’s ruling, the
    government cannot proceed with its prosecution at this time.” See Motion to
    Dismiss Indictment, United States v. Matlack, No. 09-00531 (D. Colo. Sept. 15,
    2010). And we know that the issue has arisen many times in other circuits: the
    concurrence points to these very cases and suggests their dispositions and large
    numbers add weight to its view. We can, as well, only guess how many more
    defendants with a triable claim have ended up pleading guilty or forgoing a
    (continued...)
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    Fourth, the concurrence raises procedural impediments that, it says,
    preclude us from reaching the merits of the case. In his petition for rehearing,
    there’s no dispute that Mr. Games-Perez clearly asks us to overrule Capps. But,
    the concurrence points out, Mr. Games-Perez never asked the district court to
    overrule Capps as part of his permitted Rule 11 challenge to his conviction. And
    that, the concurrence reasons, means he either waived or forfeited the issue.
    The first difficulty with this line of reasoning is the fact the government
    itself has not raised any waiver or forfeiture objection, only the concurrence does
    on the government’s behalf. And under our precedents, the government’s failure
    to raise a Rule 11 waiver objection on its own motion is fatal to that argument at
    least, an objection forgone by its omission. See United States v. Hahn, 
    359 F.3d 1315
    , 1328 (10th. Cir. 2004) (en banc) (per curiam); United States v. White, 
    584 F.3d 935
    , 947 n.5 (10th Cir. 2009). 5
    4
    (...continued)
    potentially winning argument at trial or on appeal because erroneous existing
    precedents like Capps foreclose it.
    5
    In a spirited passage, the concurrence argues for an exception to these
    precedents. The concurrence contends that it should be allowed to raise a Rule 11
    waiver argument for the government because my panel concurrence “reached out”
    to voice concern that Capps cannot be reconciled with the statute’s plain terms, in
    the process “ignoring” and posing a “danger[]” to the “adversarial process that
    serves as the foundation of our legal system.” Concurring Op. at 6-7; see also id.
    at 10 (calling this “irregular”). But it is entirely consistent with our generally
    adversarial process and nothing at all irregular for a court to give voice to the
    plain language of a controlling statute written by Congress even if the parties fail
    to do so. See United States Nat. Bank of Ore. v. Indep. Ins. Agents of Am., Inc.,
    (continued...)
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    Separately but equally problematically, when it comes to forfeiture there is
    the fact Mr. Games-Perez very well may be able to satisfy plain error review even
    if he had to. See Fed. R. Crim. P. 52(b) (courts may correct “plain error . . . even
    though it was not brought to the court’s attention”). After all, and as he has
    argued to us in his petition for rehearing, the error here is plain on the statute’s
    face, it affects his substantial rights, and it is difficult to think of many errors
    reflecting more poorly on our legal system than imprisoning a man without first
    requiring him to be tried under the terms Congress expressly prescribed. 6
    5
    (...continued)
    
    508 U.S. 439
    , 448 (1993) (courts may “refus[e] to accept what in effect [is] a
    stipulation on a question of law”); United States v. Charles, 
    576 F.3d 1060
    , 1066
    (10th Cir. 2009) (the parties’ positions do “not dictate the meaning of a federal
    law”). The only thing in this case that might possibly be in tension with our
    generally adversarial process is the concurrence’s suggestion this court press a
    waivable objection for the government. After the petition for rehearing expressly
    asked this court to overrule Capps, the government was unequivocally on notice
    of the nature of the argument it faced. Yet, in its response brief it did not choose
    to pursue a Rule 11 objection, and in our generally adversarial process (and under
    our precedents in Hahn and White) we have no duty to make such an argument for
    it. The case the concurrence cites extensively in its footnote, Greenlaw v. United
    States, 
    554 U.S. 237
    , 244 (2008), makes this very point, reversing a court of
    appeals for raising a waivable argument for the government that the government
    did not raise for itself. Neither in any event is it clear why we would want to tie
    ourselves to the mast and press a waivable objection for the government when
    doing so yields the injustice of denying an individual the day in court promised to
    him by Congress. Certainly the concurrence’s citation to United States v.
    Charley, 
    189 F.3d 1251
     (10th Cir. 1999), doesn’t do much to recommend (let
    alone compel) that course. See Concurring Op. at 6-7. Charley does not even
    address Rule 11, its waivability, or our longstanding practice of following and
    enforcing congressional statutes as written even when the parties don’t ask us to.
    6
    The concurrence suggests Richison v. Ernest Group, Inc., 
    634 F.3d 1123
    ,
    (continued...)
    -13-
    At the end of the day, if a potential waiver or forfeiture argument of our
    own invention is the best reason for not taking this case en banc, and it appears
    that’s the concurrence’s view, at least everyone is now on notice. On notice that,
    to avoid seeing their cases gummed up by procedural defenses this court might
    assert on the government’s behalf, wary defense counsel in future cases should
    6
    (...continued)
    1130-31 (10th Cir. 2011), and McKissick v. Yuen, 
    618 F.3d 1177
    , 1189-90 (10th
    Cir. 2010), preclude us from recognizing even a plain error. See Concurring Op.
    at 9-10, 13-14. They do not. In those civil cases the appellees invoked forfeiture
    and the appellants didn’t proceed to identify any plain error. Whatever our power
    to correct plain error may be, we explained we weren’t compelled to develop a
    plain error argument for the appellants. By contrast, in this criminal case the
    government has not even raised a forfeiture argument for us or Mr. Games-Perez
    to address.
    The concurrence’s self-directed waiver/forfeiture arguments raise other
    curious questions, too. For example, does a party seeking to distinguish adverse
    precedent really waive or forfeit the logically antecedent question whether the
    precedent itself erroneous? Even if it means an appellate court winds up issuing a
    precedential opinion that rests on a faulty legal premise? See, e.g., Kamen v.
    Kemper Fin. Servs., 
    500 U.S. 90
    , 99 (1991) (suggesting appellate courts “retain[]
    the independent power” to decide a logically antecedent question of law on which
    the challenged lower court judgment rests); Citizens United v. FEC, 
    130 S. Ct. 876
    , 893 (2010) (same); United States v. Billups, 
    536 F.3d 574
    , 578 (7th Cir.
    2008) (same in the criminal context); United States v. Guzman-Padilla, 
    573 F.3d 865
    , 877 n.1 (9th Cir. 2009) (same). The concurrence’s reliance on Johnson v.
    United States, 
    520 U.S. 461
     (1997), see Concurring Op. at 11-12, doesn’t answer
    any of these questions but only invites others. Is distinguishing an adverse
    precedent really the same as saying nothing at all, as was the case in Johnson? Or
    might cases like Kamen and Citizens United suggest instead that the mechanism
    for preserving an objection under Rules 51 and 52 is more expansive than the
    concurrence would have it? I do not claim answers to these questions, but
    identify them simply to point out the many difficult issues we would, in fairness,
    have to confront and surmount if we wanted to carry the government’s waiver and
    forfeiture arguments on our own backs.
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    undertake the — otherwise entirely futile — gesture of asking district courts and
    panels of this court to overrule Capps. All this, of course, ensures the same
    statutory question sooner or later will find its way back to the very same spot it is
    in today. And because no district court or panel is authorized to take up the
    question of overruling Capps, the question won’t be any better briefed,
    adversarially tested, or more ready for decision than it is in this case. But all this
    will at least ensure the issue is heard eventually — even if it remains unresolved
    just long enough so Mr. Games-Perez never receives his statutorily guaranteed
    day in court.
    Fifth, and in a different vein, the concurrence argues this case is unworthy
    of en banc review because it might result in a circuit split and wind up treating
    similarly situated individuals differently “based solely on their geographic
    location.” See Concurring Op. at 23. But even assuming some circumstance
    exists in which we might legitimately decline to apply the unambiguous terms of
    a congressional statute only to avoid disagreement with other circuits — a highly
    doubtful proposition to begin with — it surely cannot be that someone must go to
    prison just so we can avoid treating him better than those other circuits have
    incorrectly allowed to be put away. 7
    7
    The concurrence seems to suggest my dissent in Wilson v. Workman, 
    577 F.3d 1284
    , 1317 (10th Cir. 2009), supports its contrary view. Concurring Op. at
    23. Respectfully, my point in Wilson was two-fold and very different: first, that
    (continued...)
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    Besides, one can easily risk overstating the state and strength of the case
    law in this area. The concurrence stresses, repeatedly, the supposed weight and
    uniformity of case law in this area. See, e.g., Concurring Op. at 2, 15-16, 16
    n.11, 19-22. But while the Fourth Circuit in Langley rejected Mr. Games-Perez’s
    argument and some other circuits have more or less simply followed where
    Langley led, none has paused to address the plain language, structural, and
    canonical arguments he presses in his petition for rehearing. It’s hard to say,
    then, that his arguments have yet received their due. In one form or another, his
    position has, as well, won endorsement from the lengthy en banc dissent in
    Langley joined by four judges, and from at least two district courts, see United
    States v. Matlack, No. 09-cr-00531, 
    2010 WL 2682110
     (D. Colo. July 1, 2010);
    United States v. Kitsch, No. 03-594-01 
    2008 WL 2971548
     (E.D. Pa. Aug. 1,
    2008), and its strength has been acknowledged explicitly or implicitly by at least
    7
    (...continued)
    the majority’s decision to split with sister circuits was in error on the merits (the
    Supreme Court later ruled against our court’s position in the split); and, second,
    that a decision on the issue of federal law in question could have been avoided by
    the expedient of certifying a predicate question of state law to a state court (an
    option unavailable here). I did not suggest this court should disregard a clear
    statutory command in order to avoid a circuit split. Likewise, while the
    concurrence quotes cases from other circuits counseling against creating a circuit
    split “absent a strong reason to do so,” Concurring Op. at 23, inconsistency with
    an unambiguous statutory direction from Congress surely qualifies as just such a
    “strong reason.” See, e.g., Zimmerman v. Ore. Dep’t of Justice, 
    170 F.3d 1169
    ,
    1184 (9th Cir. 1999) (“Although we are hesitant to create [a circuit split], . . . we
    must follow the unambiguously expressed intent of Congress.”). In fact, the
    concurrence itself acknowledges as much. See infra at 18.
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    two other circuits, see United States v. Reyes, 194 F. App’x 69, 70 (2d Cir. 2006)
    (unpublished) (Langley dissent “has some persuasive force”); United States v.
    Gardner, 
    488 F.3d 700
    , 715, n.2 (6th Cir. 2007) (“[K]nowledge of felony status is
    arguably an element of the crime in many different species of felon in possession
    cases.”) (internal quotation marks omitted). Unsurprisingly, too, more than one
    circuit has taken a plain language approach to the phrase “knowingly violates”
    when it appears in other statutes, interpreting the term to require “knowledge of
    facts and attendant circumstances that comprise a violation of the statute.”
    United States v. Weintraub, 
    273 F.3d 139
    , 147 (2d Cir. 2001); see also United
    States v. Lynch, 
    233 F.3d 1139
    , 1143 (9th Cir. 2000). It’s far from safe to say,
    then, that what authority that does exist in this area against Mr. Games-Perez is
    either fully considered or unqualified.
    Approaching from a slightly different angle, the concurrence suggests the
    prudential doctrine of stare decisis should stay our hand. Concurring Op. at 2,
    23-24 & n.16. No doubt stare decisis and precedential considerations are most
    serious ones. As a member of the panel in this case, I was obliged to concur in its
    judgment because our outcome was settled by an earlier and so binding panel
    precedent. But it is surely uncontroversial to suggest that the point of the en banc
    process, the very reason for its existence, is to correct grave errors in panel
    precedents when they become apparent, even if the panel precedents in question
    happen to be old or involve questions of statutory or regulatory interpretation.
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    See, e.g., United States v. Aguon, 
    851 F.2d 1158
    , 1167 n.5 (9th Cir. 1988) (en
    banc) (“The province and obligation of the en banc court is to review the current
    validity of challenged prior decisions.”), overruled on other grounds, Evans v.
    United States, 
    504 U.S. 255
     (1992); Critical Mass Energy Project v. NRC, 
    975 F.2d 871
    , 876 (D.C. Cir. 1992) (en banc) (en banc court may set aside precedent
    “if, on reexamination . . . it decides that the panel’s holding on an important
    question of law was fundamentally flawed”). 8 The concurrence itself
    acknowledges that “[i]f the case truly were as clear cut as the Dissent paints it to
    be, it would undoubtedly be appropriate to en banc it even in the face of the
    potential of creating a circuit split.” Concurring Op. at 24 n.16. Plainly, then our
    disagreement is on the merits, not on the appropriate role of stare decisis. We
    8
    Our recent practice makes the point plain. We routinely use the en banc
    process to revisit seriously flawed statutory and regulatory interpretations, even
    those with some age on them; here are just a few examples from the last few
    years: United States v. Sturm, 
    672 F.3d 891
     (10th Cir. 2012) (reversing
    interpretation of child pornography statute even though statute no longer
    operative); Contreras-Bocanegra v. Holder, 
    678 F.3d 811
     (10th Cir. 2012)
    (reversing interpretation of statutory provision allowing deported aliens to reopen
    their cases); United States v. Payne, 
    644 F.3d 1111
    , 1113 n.2 (10th Cir. 2011)
    (reversing 20 year old interpretation of 
    28 U.S.C. § 2255
    ); United States v.
    Bowling, No. 08-6184, 
    2009 WL 6854970
    , at *1 n.* (10th Cir. Dec. 23, 2009)
    (reversing 25 year old precedent on jury instruction in fraud cases); Carolina Cas.
    Ins. Co. v. Yeates, 
    584 F.3d 868
     (10th Cir. 2009) (reversing 20 year old precedent
    interpreting interstate trucking regulations); In re Mersmann, 
    505 F.3d 1033
     (10th
    Cir. 2007) (overturning prior decision on the res judicata effect of confirmed
    Chapter 13 bankruptcy plan).
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    actually agree that nothing in stare decisis doctrine teaches against rehearing en
    banc a panel precedent inconsistent with clear statutory directions from Congress.
    ***
    In the end, I do not for a moment question that the standard for rehearing
    en banc is a high one or that the arguments one might muster against rehearing
    are thoughtful or principled. In my judgment, however, none of these arguments
    compels us to perpetuate the injustice of disregarding the plain terms of the law
    Congress wrote and denying defendants the day in court that law promises them.
    To the contrary, this case presents the surely exceptional situation where
    rehearing is appropriate to “give effect to [Congress’s] plain command, even if
    doing that will reverse . . . longstanding practice.” Lexecon Inc. v. Milberg Weiss
    Bershad Hynes & Lerach, 
    523 U.S. 26
    , 35 (1998) (internal citations omitted).
    The Supreme Court has told us time and again that “[a]ge is no antidote to clear
    inconsistency with a statute.” Metropolitan Stevedore Co. v. Rambo, 
    515 U.S. 291
    , 300 (1995). And while we must and do always take special care before
    expressing disagreement with other circuits and reversing our own panel
    precedents, sometimes these things are done because they must be done. The
    Supreme Court has not hesitated to give effect to the unambiguous meaning of a
    congressional command even when all circuits to have addressed the question
    have failed to abide the statute’s express terms. See, e.g., Lexecon, 
    523 U.S. at 32
    ; Central Bank of Denver, N.A. v. First Interstate Bank of Denver, N.A., 511
    -19-
    U.S. 164, 177 (1994). Respectfully, I submit, this is a case where we should
    follow the Court’s lead, enforce the law as Congress wrote it, and grant Mr.
    Games-Perez the day in court the law guarantees him.
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