SE Property Holdings v. Stewart ( 2020 )


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    United States Court of Appeals
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS                      Tenth Circuit
    FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT                      August 14, 2020
    _________________________________
    Christopher M. Wolpert
    Clerk of Court
    In re: DAVID A. STEWART; TERRY P.
    STEWART,
    Debtors.
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    SE PROPERTY HOLDINGS, LLC,
    Appellant,
    v.                                                   Nos. 19-6103 & 19-6104
    DAVID A. STEWART; TERRY P.
    STEWART; DOUGLAS GOULD, Chapter
    7 Trustee; RUSTON C. WELCH; WELCH
    LAW FIRM, P.C.; KIRKPATRICK
    BANK,
    Appellees.
    _________________________________
    Appeals from the Bankruptcy Appellate Panel
    (BAP Nos. WO-18-068 & WO-18-079)
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    Richard M. Gaal, McDowell Knight Roedder & Sledge, LLC, Mobile, Alabama (S.
    Fraser Reid, III, McDowell Knight Roedder & Sledge, LLC, Mobile, Alabama, Mark B.
    Toffoli, The Gooding Law Firm, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, with him on the briefs), for
    Appellant.
    David Cheek, Cheek & Falcone, PLLC, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (Ruston C. Welch,
    Welch Law Firm, P.C., Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, with him on the brief) for Appellees.
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    Before HARTZ, BALDOCK, and EID, Circuit Judges.
    _________________________________
    HARTZ, Circuit Judge.
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    Attorney Ruston Welch received $348,404.41 in fees for representing David and
    Terry Stewart in their Chapter 7 bankruptcy proceedings. This appeal arises out of his
    failure to disclose his fee arrangements and payments, as required by 
    11 U.S.C. § 329
    (a)
    and Federal Rule of Bankruptcy Procedure 2016(b), until ordered to do so by the
    bankruptcy court more than two years after he should have disclosed his fee agreement
    and more than a year after he should have disclosed the payments. For these violations
    the bankruptcy court sanctioned Mr. Welch by requiring him to pay $25,000 to the
    bankruptcy estate.
    The bankruptcy appellate panel (BAP) affirmed the sanction after the Stewarts’
    largest creditor, SE Property Holdings (SEPH), which had initiated the proceedings as an
    involuntary bankruptcy, challenged the sanction as so inadequate as to constitute an
    abuse of discretion. SEPH appeals that decision. Exercising jurisdiction under 
    28 U.S.C. § 158
    (d), we agree with SEPH and reverse and remand for further consideration. The
    presumptive sanction for a violation of § 329(a) is forfeiture of the entire fee. For good
    reason the bankruptcy court can impose a lesser sanction. But the court thus far has not
    provided good reason. It assumed facts that were not in evidence and, most importantly,
    apparently assumed good faith without examining the possible motives for nondisclosure.
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    I.     ATTORNEY DISCLOSURE REQUIREMENTS UNDER
    BANKRUPTCY LAW
    Attorneys for debtors perform an essential role in bankruptcy proceedings. But
    when it comes to compensation, they play second fiddle to creditors. In a Chapter 7
    proceeding, such as the one before us, the attorney can be paid out of the bankruptcy
    estate only if first employed by the trustee and approved by the bankruptcy court. See
    Lamie v. U.S. Tr., 
    540 U.S. 526
    , 538–39 (2004). As a check on debtor attorneys, the
    Bankruptcy Code and the Federal Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure require them to
    promptly disclose their fee arrangements and all payments for their bankruptcy services.
    Section 329(a) of the Bankruptcy Code states:
    Any attorney representing a debtor in a case under this title, or in
    connection with such a case, whether or not such attorney applies for
    compensation under this title, shall file with the court a statement of the
    compensation paid or agreed to be paid, if such payment or agreement was
    made after one year before the date of the filing of the petition, for services
    rendered or to be rendered in contemplation of or in connection with the
    case by such attorney, and the source of such compensation.
    Rule 2016(b), which implements § 329, states:
    Every attorney for a debtor, whether or not the attorney applies for
    compensation, shall file and transmit to the United States trustee within 14
    days after the order for relief [see 
    11 U.S.C. § 303
    (h) (requirements that
    must be satisfied before issuance of order for relief after filing of a petition
    for involuntary bankruptcy)], or at another time as the court may direct, the
    statement required by § 329 of the Code including whether the attorney has
    shared or agreed to share the compensation with any other entity. The
    statement shall include the particulars of any such sharing or agreement to
    share by the attorney, but the details of any agreement for the sharing of the
    compensation with a member or regular associate of the attorney’s law firm
    shall not be required. A supplemental statement shall be filed and
    transmitted to the United States trustee within 14 days after any payment or
    agreement not previously disclosed.
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    These provisions “require[] every attorney representing a debtor in bankruptcy to file
    with the court [within 14 days of the order for relief] a statement of all compensation
    received during the preceding year, or to be received, in connection with the bankruptcy.”
    Bethea v. Robert J. Adams & Assocs., 
    352 F.3d 1125
    , 1127 (7th Cir. 2003). The
    disclosure obligation is a continuing one. Rule 2016(b) requires attorneys to submit
    supplemental statements “within 14 days after any payment or agreement not previously
    disclosed.”
    The disclosure requirements enable bankruptcy judges to perform their core and
    traditional role of overseeing lawyers who represent bankrupt debtors. See 3 Richard
    Levin & Henry J. Sommer, Collier on Bankruptcy ¶ 329.LH, at 329–34 (16th ed. 2020)
    (“Under prior law, as under the modern Bankruptcy Code, compensation of the attorney
    for the debtor was scrutinized more closely than the compensation of other officers and
    professional persons.”). The oversight is justified by two significant concerns. Debtors
    can be exploited by overreaching lawyers who overcharge for their services. And
    creditors can be denied their proper share of the bankruptcy estate if debtors (particularly
    those who believe they will net nothing from the nonexempt assets of the estate) direct
    money to their attorneys in preference to other creditors. See Bethea, 
    352 F.3d at 1127
    (when facing bankruptcy, “[d]ebtors may not care who gets what money remains (if the
    attorney gets more, other creditors get less), and, when clients do not haggle over price,
    some attorneys will be tempted to divert the funds to themselves by charging excessive
    fees”); In re Redding, 
    263 B.R. 874
    , 878 (B.A.P. 8th Cir.) (§ 329 “reflects Congress’
    concern that payments to attorneys in the bankruptcy context might be the result of
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    evasion of creditor protections and provide the opportunity for overreaching by
    attorneys”), revised on rehearing on other grounds, 
    265 B.R. 601
     (B.A.P. 8th Cir. 2001);
    H.R. Rep. No. 95–595, at 329 (1977) (Congress adopted § 329 because “[p]ayments to a
    debtor’s attorney provide serious potential for evasion of creditor protection provisions of
    the bankruptcy laws, and serious potential for overreaching by the debtor’s attorney, and
    should be subject to careful scrutiny”); S. Rep. No. 95–989, at 39 (1977) (same). The
    required disclosures are necessary for that oversight. See Bethea, 
    352 F.3d at 1127
    (disclosures “enable[] the court to determine whether the lawyer has received a
    preferential transfer”); Law Offs. of Nicholas A. Franke v. Tiffany (In re Lewis), 
    113 F.3d 1040
    , 1045 (9th Cir. 1997) (court must be able to rely on attorney’s disclosures).
    II.    THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SEPH AND THE STEWARTS
    SEPH has complained that Mr. Welch, through arrangements not timely disclosed
    to the bankruptcy court, has been paid large sums that should have gone to SEPH and
    other creditors. To understand this issue, we must review the relationship between SEPH
    and the Stewarts.
    SEPH is the largest creditor in the Stewarts’ bankruptcy, with a claim exceeding
    $20 million. It has loaned millions of dollars to businesses that were controlled and
    largely owned by the Stewarts, in particular Neverve, LLC, in which David Stewart
    owned at least a 50% interest. The Stewarts personally signed or guaranteed the loans.
    As the maturity date of a $16 million note approached, SEPH agreed to extend it
    in return for additional security. The security was the assignment by the Stewarts and
    companies they controlled of an interest in claims against British Petroleum (BP) arising
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    out of the disastrous 2010 “Deepwater Horizon” oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
    According to SEPH, the assignment document gave SEPH a security interest in the BP
    claims of all entities that David Stewart owned directly or indirectly.
    The new maturity date came but the note was not paid. SEPH therefore filed on
    September 30, 2014, a petition in the United States Bankruptcy Court for the Southern
    District of Alabama to place the Stewarts in involuntary Chapter 7 bankruptcy. On
    March 18, 2015, the court ordered entry of orders for relief, and it entered an order on
    April 24 for joint administration of the cases for the two Stewarts.
    The case was moved on June 12, 2015, to the United States Bankruptcy Court for
    the Western District of Oklahoma. Mr. Welch, who had not entered an appearance in
    Alabama, entered his appearance as attorney for the Stewarts in the Oklahoma
    proceedings on June 17.
    III.   WELCH’S FEE ARRANGEMENT AND PAYMENTS
    On the same day that Mr. Welch entered an appearance, he executed a
    representation agreement with the Stewarts. The engagement included general
    representation, debt counseling, and corporate-structure and bankruptcy representation to
    the Stewarts and certain named business affiliates. Also at that time, the named affiliates,
    including Neverve, guaranteed Mr. Welch’s legal fees in connection with the bankruptcy
    representation.
    The BP claims were settled in spring 2016. By that time Mr. Welch had obtained
    an interest in the settlement proceeds. Under a fee-sharing agreement executed on
    April 19, 2016, the total attorney fee was 40% of the proceeds; that amount was split
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    three ways with 52% of it going to the chief attorney, 32% to Mr. Welch, and 16% to the
    person who referred the matter to the chief attorney. Mr. Welch’s fee would therefore be
    about 13% of the amount recovered on the claims. There had been a previous attorney-
    compensation agreement governing the BP claims. But according to Mr. Welch, it could
    not be found; and the record apparently does not show what the terms of that earlier
    agreement were, or even whether he was a party to it. To explain his receipt of a
    contingency fee, Mr. Welch told the bankruptcy court that he “advised and assisted the
    non-debtor claimants in providing substantiating documents to support [the chief
    attorney] in the settlement process and negotiated specific language to the settlement
    agreements.” Aplt. App., Vol. 13 at 3305.
    The settlement proceeds were disbursed in August 2016. All of Mr. Welch’s
    $348,404.41 in fees in this case came out of proceeds that were wired to him. He
    received $144,591.85 under his contingency-fee contract, but he then credited all that
    toward what he was owed for his bankruptcy work. In his own words, this was “a matter
    of fairness and efficiency in [his] mind.” 
    Id. at 3198
    . The remaining $203,812.56 came
    out of the $275,572.27 in net-settlement proceeds for Neverve. Mr. Welch paid himself
    because of Neverve’s guarantee of his fee.
    Although 
    11 U.S.C. § 329
     and Bankruptcy Rule 2016(b) require attorneys for
    debtors to disclose their fee arrangements and all payments for their bankruptcy services,
    Mr. Welch failed to do so until September 2017, more than two years after entering into
    the bankruptcy-fee arrangement and more than a year after being paid. His disclosure
    was not voluntary. The failure to disclose was pointed out by SEPH during proceedings
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    on August 30, 2017, to determine whether the bankruptcy court would approve an
    agreement between the Trustee and the Stewarts signed in April. The agreement stated
    that the Trustee would abandon (thereby relinquishing to the Stewarts) all nonexempt
    property, including the Stewarts’ membership interests in various limited liability
    companies, and the Stewarts would pay $750,000.
    Before negotiations on the settlement agreement the Stewarts had argued that the
    Trustee should abandon those membership interests because they were valueless. In
    particular, on November 3, 2015, the Stewarts had moved in bankruptcy court to have the
    Trustee abandon their membership interests in three companies: Raven Resources, LLC,
    Oklamiss Investments, LLC, and Shimmering Sands Development Company, LLC,
    claiming that the three entities were in so much debt that they provided no value to the
    Stewarts’ bankruptcy estate. See 
    11 U.S.C. § 554
    (a) (“[T]he trustee may abandon any
    property of the estate that is burdensome to the estate or that is of inconsequential value
    and benefit to the estate.”). At a hearing on the matter on January 20, 2016, Mr. Welch
    acknowledged that at least one of the entities, Shimmering Sands, had a $600,000 claim
    against BP and that “an attorney’s contingency fee firm [had] agreed to try it” (he makes
    no mention that he was to receive any of that contingency fee). Aplt. App., Vol. 6
    at 1516. But he downplayed the value of the claim, saying that it was “years from ever
    even being heard” and that they still would need to put on evidence and witnesses and the
    result was uncertain. 
    Id.
     On March 18, however, Mr. Welch informed the Trustee that
    he had just learned that there was movement on the BP claims. On April 13 the
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    bankruptcy court denied the motion to abandon, at least in part because of the possibility
    the estate could benefit from the BP claims.
    This led to the settlement agreement between the Stewarts and the Trustee, and
    then the August 30, 2017 hearing on whether the court should approve it. It was when
    Mr. Welch stated at the hearing that he had paid himself out of the BP proceeds, that
    SEPH and the bankruptcy court began questioning Mr. Welch about his compensation
    arrangements. SEPH brought up that Mr. Welch had never filed his required disclosures,
    including anything regarding his compensation or representation agreement. Offering no
    explanation, Mr. Welch merely acknowledged his obligation to make disclosures. The
    bankruptcy court said that it did not understand why he had not turned over the Neverve
    BP claim proceeds to the Trustee, telling Mr. Welch that the Trustee “should be the one
    making these decisions, not you and not David Stewart.” Aplt. App., Vol. 29 at 6568.
    It told Mr. Welch to immediately make his disclosures. He filed disclosures on
    September 14 and 20, 2017.
    IV.    BANKRUPTCY COURT PROCEEDINGS ON FAILURES TO
    DISCLOSE
    In October 2017 SEPH filed a motion seeking disgorgement of Mr. Welch’s fees
    and the denial of future compensation for violation of his disclosure obligations under
    § 329(a) and Rule 2016(b). SEPH cited precedent within (and outside of) the Tenth
    Circuit that such strong medicine was appropriate for violations like Mr. Welch’s. SEPH
    also argued that it was entitled to the money received by Mr. Welch because it had a
    security interest in the Neverve funds or, alternatively, they were property of the estate.
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    It accused Mr. Welch of “conceal[ing] the fact that he was in possession of assets that
    belonged to either the Estate or to SEPH and then [] convert[ing] those assets to pay
    himself legal fees.” Aplt. App., Vol. 13 at 3105. SEPH also pointed out that Mr. Welch
    had never said that he failed to disclose “because of ignorance of the law or because of
    oversight.” Id. at 3106.
    To excuse his failure to disclose some of the payments, Mr. Welch argued that his
    contingency fees did not need to be disclosed because they were “earned for services not
    in connection with the bankruptcy case.” Id. at 3194; see 
    11 U.S.C. § 329
    (a) (requiring
    reporting of compensation for services in connection with the bankruptcy case). He did
    not otherwise seek to justify his failures to disclose even after SEPH’s accusations.
    Instead, he argued that he had not taken property of the estate to pay his fees. He also
    requested that the bankruptcy court consider the beneficial work he had done for the
    estate. In reply, SEPH again argued that Mr. Welch’s payments were from estate
    property and that in any event his violations warranted full disgorgement and denial of
    his fees.
    The bankruptcy court did not conduct a hearing on the motion for disgorgement.
    In its written order it found to be meritless Mr. Welch’s argument that the contingency
    fee was not for services rendered “in connection with” the bankruptcy case because he
    applied the BP funds to his bankruptcy fees. It found Mr. Welch to be in clear violation
    of § 329(a) and Rule 2016(b). The bankruptcy court said it was “incredulous” that such
    an able and experienced bankruptcy practitioner as Mr. Welch would commit such
    misconduct. In re Stewart, 
    583 B.R. 775
    , 784 (Bankr. W.D. Okla. 2018). It lamented
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    that the concealment of Mr. Welch’s fees, in light of the lack of candor and veracity of
    the debtors, 1 generated even more suspicion and mistrust in the already contentious
    bankruptcy proceedings. And it doubted that Mr. Welch would ever have made the
    requisite disclosures without being ordered to do so. The bankruptcy court recognized
    that Mr. Welch’s violations allowed it to order disgorgement of all his fees. But it did
    not choose that path.
    Relying in part on a case involving sanctions against attorneys under Federal Rule
    of Civil Procedure 11, the bankruptcy court applied “the overriding principle in applying
    sanctions that ‘the appropriate sanction should be the least severe sanction adequate to
    deter and punish’ the offender and deter future violations of the rules.” 
    Id. at 786
    (quoting White v. Gen. Motors, Inc., 
    908 F.2d 675
    , 684 (10th Cir. 1990)). Also, the court
    agreed with Mr. Welch that his services had benefited the bankruptcy estate. Notably, it
    deviated from the parties’ briefing to consider mitigating factors never raised by the
    parties:
    • “[T]o this Court’s knowledge, Welch has not been previously
    sanctioned.”
    • “It appears that he has not had much experience representing debtors in
    Chapter 7 in which court approval is not required for either employment
    or payment of counsel.”
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    For example, the Trustee brought a fraudulent-transfer proceeding to recover property
    given by the Stewarts to their children and to a trust for which David Stewart was the
    primary beneficiary. The bankruptcy court found that the transfers took place after SEPH
    had commenced litigation against the Stewarts and were made without consideration, that
    the Stewarts’ personal tax returns continued to claim losses with respect to the property,
    that financial statements provided to lenders continued to claim personal ownership, and
    that David Stewart retained control over the companies.
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    • “It may well be that Welch . . . overlooked the attorney fee disclosure
    requirements imposed upon counsel in all chapters of the Bankruptcy
    Code.”
    • “The Court also believes that ordering disgorgement of all fees as
    sought by SEPH (or even a substantial portion of such fees) would be
    financially catastrophic to someone as Welch engaged in a largely solo
    practice.”
    
    Id.
     at 786–87. In addition, the court expressed its view that it lacked authority to require
    Mr. Welch to pay funds to the debtors’ estate, which never had an interest in them, so it
    would have to order repayment to the entities that paid him and the entities would then
    likely simply repay him. The bankruptcy court ordered Mr. Welch to pay $25,000 to the
    Trustee for the benefit of the estate. It said that this disgorgement and the court’s public
    chastisement of Mr. Welch would adequately deter him from future misconduct.
    Unsatisfied with only a 7% reduction in Mr. Welch’s fee, SEPH moved to alter or
    amend the bankruptcy court’s order. It argued that the bankruptcy court’s sua sponte
    consideration of mitigating circumstances lacked an evidentiary basis in the record
    because the parties themselves had not anticipated that such mitigating circumstances
    would be applied. SEPH also asked the bankruptcy court to clarify whether it concluded
    that the BP funds were property of the estate.
    The bankruptcy court declined to alter the $25,000 sanction. It justified its sua
    sponte consideration of mitigating factors in light of the bankruptcy judge’s common
    sense and 30 years of experience in bankruptcy private practice. The only specific
    argument it addressed on that score was its agreement that Mr. Welch never raised the
    issue of his ability to pay. But the bankruptcy court maintained that “it was appropriate
    for the Court to not require specific evidence as to Welch’s net worth, but to exercise its
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    significant discretion in determining the amount of sanctions . . . subject to the principle
    that the sanction should not be more severe than reasonably necessary to deter repetition
    of the conduct by the offending person or comparable conduct by similarly situated
    persons.” In re Stewart, Bankr. No. 15-12215-JDL, 
    2018 WL 3388925
    , at *3 (Bankr.
    W.D. Okla. July 10, 2018). Although the bankruptcy court had appeared to say in its
    initial order that the BP proceeds were not property of the estate, it clarified that it had
    not decided the issue.
    SEPH appealed to the BAP, which affirmed the $25,000 sanction and the denial of
    SEPH’s motion to alter or amend as within the bankruptcy court’s discretion. See SE
    Prop. Holdings, LLC v. Stewart (In re Stewart), 
    600 B.R. 425
    , 436 (B.A.P. 10th Cir.
    2019). It stated that the sanction fell under the bankruptcy court’s inherent power and
    should be exercised with restraint. Although it acknowledged that the Tenth Circuit had
    not previously recognized the mitigating factors relied on by the bankruptcy court, the
    BAP saw no problem with the bankruptcy court’s considering them in deciding on its
    sanction. It did not address SEPH’s argument that the bankruptcy court’s sua sponte
    assessment of mitigating factors was without evidentiary basis.
    V.     ANALYSIS
    “Although this appeal is from a decision by the BAP, we review only the
    Bankruptcy Court’s decision.” First Nat’l Bank of Durango v. Woods (In re Woods), 
    743 F.3d 689
    , 692 (10th Cir. 2014) (internal quotation marks omitted). “We review the
    imposition of an attorney-fee sanction, whether rooted in statute, rule, or a court’s
    inherent authority, only for an abuse of discretion.” Farmer v. Banco Popular of N. Am.,
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    791 F.3d 1246
    , 1256 (10th Cir. 2015); see Jensen v. U.S. Tr. (In re Smitty’s Truck Stop,
    Inc.), 
    210 B.R. 844
    , 846, 847–48 (B.A.P. 10th Cir. 1997) (reviewing sanctions for
    violations of § 329(a) and Rule 2016(b) for abuse of discretion). “A [bankruptcy] court
    abuses its discretion when it (1) fails to exercise meaningful discretion, such as acting
    arbitrarily or not at all, (2) commits an error of law, such as applying an incorrect legal
    standard or misapplying the correct legal standard, or (3) relies on clearly erroneous
    factual findings.” Farmer, 791 F.3d at 1256.
    A.     Required Disclosures and Sanctions for Noncompliance
    It is undisputed that Mr. Welch violated the disclosure requirements of § 329(a) of
    the Bankruptcy Code and Bankruptcy Rule 2016(b). The attorney’s duty of disclosure is
    that of a fiduciary. See Mapother & Mapother, P.S.C. v. Cooper (In re Downs), 
    103 F.3d 472
    , 480 (6th Cir. 1996) (“Section 329 and Rule 2016 are fundamentally rooted in the
    fiduciary relationship between attorneys and the court. Thus, the fulfillment of the duties
    imposed under these provisions are crucial to the administration and disposition of
    proceedings before the bankruptcy courts.”); Futuronics Corp. v. Arutt, Nachamie &
    Benjamin (In re Futuronics Corp.), 
    655 F.2d 463
    , 470 (2d Cir. 1981).
    Courts have found violations of the duty to be intolerable, and the sanctions
    imposed have been harsh, going far beyond the need to compensate for the damage done
    or even to deter the specific offender. For example, in Futuronics a law firm had failed
    to disclose a fee-sharing arrangement with another firm. See 
    id. at 470
    . Such
    arrangements are prohibited by the bankruptcy statute “because of their natural tendency
    to cause an attorney to inflate his fees in order to offset the diminution in compensation
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    caused by the agreement.” Id.; see Fed. R. Bankr. P. 2016(b) (disclosure shall include
    “whether the attorney has shared or agreed to share the compensation with any other
    entity”). The law firm argued that “none of the evils that otherwise might be attributable
    to fee-sharing or their other acts manifested themselves” in the case because the
    bankruptcy proceedings were a great success, Futuronics, 
    655 F.2d at 471
    , with general
    creditors possibly receiving 100% payment, see 
    id. at 466
    . Apparently recognizing this,
    the bankruptcy judge allowed the firm $850,000 in fees (including a $200,000 bonus!)
    after imposing a penalty of $190,000. See 
    id. at 468
    . But because of the potential harm
    from the firm’s conduct, the circuit court affirmed the district court’s ruling that the
    bankruptcy court had abused its discretion by allowing any fees. See 
    id. at 471
    . Perhaps
    the harshness of sanctions has had the desired deterrent effect, because there are
    relatively few reported cases of violations among the many, many bankruptcy
    proceedings that are filed.
    Other circuits have similarly supported the full disgorgement or denial of fees for
    § 329(a) violations. See Lewis, 113 F.3d at 1045–46 (affirming bankruptcy court’s
    exercise of its inherent authority over debtor attorney’s compensation by completely
    denying attorney fees for failure to disclose under § 329(a)); Downs, 
    103 F.3d at 478
    (reversing district court’s affirmance of bankruptcy court’s order because it failed to
    impose complete disgorgement and denial of fees, explaining that “[i]n cases involving
    an attorney’s failure to disclose his fee arrangement under § 329 or Rule 2016, . . . the
    courts have consistently denied all fees.”); Neben & Starrett, Inc. v. Chartwell Fin. Corp.
    (In re Park-Helena Corp.), 
    63 F.3d 877
    , 882 (9th Cir. 1995) (“Even a negligent or
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    inadvertent failure to disclose fully relevant information may result in a denial of all
    requested fees. . . . The court’s denial of all fees was within its discretion.”). See
    generally Redding, 
    263 B.R. at 880
     (“It is well settled that disgorgement of fees is an
    appropriate sanction for failure to comply with the disclosure requirements of section 329
    and Rule 2016. Indeed, the Courts of Appeal which have addressed this and similar
    disclosure issues are emphatic in affirming the grant of sanctions.”).
    The view underlying the imposition of total disgorgement for failure to disclose
    has been well-expressed by Bankruptcy Judge Michael of this circuit:
    Ours is a system built upon the principle of full and candid disclosure.
    Debtors must truthfully and accurately list all of their assets and all of their
    liabilities. Counsel must honestly and completely disclose the full nature of
    their relationship with their clients. Creditors must honestly and correctly
    calculate and state their claims. It is these disclosures which allow the
    public to have confidence in the system, and hopefully to believe that
    bankruptcy laws exist to protect the “honest but unfortunate” debtor, that
    those creditors who receive funds receive only their just and proper share,
    and that those who represent debtors perform a service beyond satisfaction
    of their selfish avarice. Without those beliefs, public confidence in the
    bankruptcy process, and perhaps far more, is placed at risk.
    The fragility of the system is found in the fact that many of the required
    disclosures are difficult if not impossible to police, at least in a cost-
    effective manner.
    In re Lewis, 
    309 B.R. 597
    , 602–03 (Bankr. N.D. Okla. 2004). As a result, sanctions must
    sting hard: “The bankruptcy system functions on the premise that the overwhelming
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    majority of those who utilize it are honest, that those who are dishonest are [not] 2 likely
    to be caught, and that the penalties for dishonesty are severe.” 
    Id.
     at 603 n.16.
    It should come as no surprise that this circuit, and, at least until now, the lower
    courts in this circuit, have also consistently affirmed the denial of all fees for § 329(a)
    violations. See Turner v. Davis, Gillenwater & Lynch (In re Investment Bankers), 
    4 F.3d 1556
    , 1565 (10th Cir. 1993) (“[A]n attorney who fails to comply with the requirements of
    § 329 forfeits any right to receive compensation for services rendered on behalf of the
    debtor, . . . and a court may order an attorney sua sponte to disgorge funds already paid to
    the attorney.”); Fairshter v. Stinky Love, Inc. (In re Lacy), 306 F. App’x 413, 419–20
    (10th Cir. 2008) (unpublished) (following Turner); Quiat v. Berger (In re Vann), 
    986 F.2d 1431
    , at *2 (10th Cir. 1993) (unpublished) (affirming full disgorgement of fees
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    The not is not in the original text. But we assume that is a scrivener’s error. After all,
    the sentence appears in a footnote to the sentence in the text that says that “many of the
    required disclosures are difficult if not impossible to police, at least in a cost-effective
    manner.” 
    309 B.R. at 603
    . And it would be somewhat inconsistent to say that we are so
    dependent on the honesty of lawyers in bankruptcy cases if we are usually able to detect
    the dishonesty. Besides, the usual thinking is that sanctions must be harsher when
    detection of misconduct is difficult. A severe sanction on those who misbehave may
    deter people even if the likelihood of being caught is small. See Jeremy Bentham, The
    Theory of Legislation 325 (C.K. Ogden ed. 1931) (“The more deficient in certainty a
    punishment is, the severer it should be.”); cf. Dixon v. District of Columbia, 
    666 F.3d 1337
    , 1343 (D.C. Cir. 2011) (“An individual officer can catch only so many speeding
    motorists. . . . It is precisely the severity of such sanctions that can be expected to deter
    some motorists from speeding.”); Directv, Inc. v. Barczewski, 
    604 F.3d 1004
    , 1010 (7th
    Cir. 2010) (“One economically sound way to determine a penalty is to divide the harm
    done by the probability of apprehension. See Gary S. Becker, Crime and Punishment: An
    Economic Approach, 76 J. Pol. Econ. 169 (1968), a theory of sanctions that played a role
    in his receipt of a Nobel Prize in 1992. . . . Thus if signal theft enables a person to avoid
    paying $200 in fees to DirecTV, and only 1 in 50 signal thieves is caught, the appropriate
    penalty would be $10,000.”).
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    when attorney failed to comply with Rule 2016(b) and disclosure statements were wholly
    inadequate to determine reasonableness of fees); Smitty’s Truck Stop, 
    210 B.R. at 847, 849
     (affirming full disgorgement of $5000 retainer and denial of fees even though
    Chapter 11 attorney argued inadvertence and that the information was disclosed in part in
    debtor’s statement of affairs because “a clear violation of § 329 and Rule
    2016(b)[,] . . .[e]ven if this failure was negligent or inadvertent, . . . is sufficient, in itself,
    to deny all fees”); In re Brown, 
    371 B.R. 486
    , 492 n.17, 501–04 (Bankr. N.D. Okla.
    2007) (ordering disgorgement of all $10,697.08 in payments because of failure to seek
    approval under § 330 and to disclose under § 329, but allowing $460 used toward court
    costs), amended on other grounds by 
    370 B.R. 505
     (Bankr. N.D. Okla. 2007); In re
    Bartmann, 
    320 B.R. 725
    , 750 (Bankr. N.D. Okla. 2004) (ordering disgorgement of
    undisclosed compensation in the amount of $28,000 for violations of §§ 327 and 329, and
    Bankruptcy Rules 2014 and 2016; although the Trustee argued that the attorney should
    disgorge all undisclosed fees and the attorney had been paid $38,000 prepetition, the
    Trustee sought disgorgement of only $28,000, perhaps because it was debatable whether
    some of the fees were paid in connection with the bankruptcy); Lewis, 
    309 B.R. at 606, 611
     (ordering disgorgement of all $892 in one case and denial of all fees sought in
    another because of failure to disclose); In re Woodward, 
    229 B.R. 468
    , 475 (Bankr. N.D.
    Okla. 1999) (ordering disgorgement of $2500 fee because the “law is clear that the failure
    to properly disclose compensation received is in and of itself grounds for disgorgement”).
    In short, the disgorgement sanction imposed on attorneys for violating their duties
    of disclosure to the bankruptcy court is of the nature of a sanction for breach of fiduciary
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    duty. The case law under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11 invoked by the bankruptcy
    court and the BAP in this proceeding is inapposite. Unlike a failure to make disclosures
    required by § 329(a) and Bankruptcy Rule 2016(b), a violation of Rule 11—generally
    based on the lack of factual or legal support for a party’s claims or defenses—is highly
    likely to see the light of day. When the great majority of violations are likely to be
    discovered, the need for harsh sanctions is greatly diminished. The lesson of the case law
    discussed above is that imposition of the least possible sanction as the standard for
    violations of § 329(a) and Bankruptcy Rule 2016(b) would not be effective in assuring
    compliance. Or, to put the matter another way, the least possible sanction to assure
    compliance by others is generally disgorgement of the entire fee.
    A better analogy than Rule 11 is presented by Eastman v. Union Pacific Railroad
    Co., 
    493 F.3d 1151
    , 1158–60 (10th Cir. 2007), where we held that a debtor who failed to
    disclose to the bankruptcy court a cause of action that could be an asset of the estate was
    judicially estopped from bringing the claim after closure of the bankruptcy proceeding.
    Before filing for bankruptcy, the debtor had brought a personal-injury suit against nine
    defendants in federal court. See 
    id. at 1153, 1159
    . He intentionally failed to disclose this
    litigation in his filings and testimony in bankruptcy court. See 
    id.
     at 1153–55, 1158–59.
    About a year after the debtor obtained a discharge in his Chapter 7 bankruptcy, his
    personal-injury lawyer discovered that there had been bankruptcy proceedings and
    promptly informed the bankruptcy trustee. The trustee successfully moved to reopen the
    bankruptcy and was substituted as the real party in interest in the personal-injury action.
    See 
    id. at 1154
    . The trustee settled with two of the personal-injury defendants, obtaining
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    enough funds to pay all allowable creditor claims. See 
    id. at 1155
    . The district court
    ruled that the debtor could not pursue the personal-injury claims, holding that he was
    judicially estopped because he had obtained his discharge in bankruptcy on the
    representation that he had no such asset. See 
    id.
     at 1154–55 & n.3. We affirmed. In light
    of the seductive “motive to conceal legal claims and reap the financial rewards,” “[t]he
    doctrine of judicial estoppel serves to offset such motive, inducing debtors to be
    completely truthful in their bankruptcy disclosures.” 
    Id. at 1159
    . We explained that it
    would not be enough to simply return the debtor to the position he would be in if he had
    made the proper disclosures:
    That [the debtor’s] bankruptcy was reopened and his creditors were made
    whole once his omission became known is inconsequential. A discharge in
    bankruptcy is sufficient to establish a basis for judicial estoppel, even if the
    discharge is later vacated. Allowing [the debtor] to “back up” and benefit
    from the reopening of his bankruptcy only after his omission had been
    exposed would suggest that a debtor should consider disclosing potential
    assets only if he is caught concealing them. This so-called remedy would
    only diminish the necessary incentive to provide the bankruptcy court with
    a truthful disclosure of the debtor’s assets.
    
    Id. at 1160
     (original brackets, citations, and further internal quotation marks omitted). In
    our view, a similar approach is warranted when the debtor’s attorney does not make the
    required disclosures regarding the terms of the representation and compensation received.
    This is not to say that full disgorgement is always appropriate for failure to
    disclose under § 329. But it should be the default sanction, and there must be sound
    reasons for anything less. For example, in a case where the attorney violated a different
    fiduciary duty (the attorney had a conflict of interest when he acquired a creditor’s
    interest in the bankruptcy estate while providing legal services to the trustee) we said:
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    “In exercising the discretion granted by the statute we think the court should lean
    strongly toward denial of fees, and if the past benefit to the wrongdoer fiduciary can be
    quantified, to require disgorgement of compensation previously paid that fiduciary even
    before the conflict arose. This approach is most in keeping with common law fiduciary
    principles and best serves the deterrence purpose of the rule.” Gray v. English, 
    30 F.3d 1319
    , 1324 (10th Cir. 1994) (emphasis added). Nevertheless, we held that the
    bankruptcy court had not abused its discretion in declining to require disgorgement of
    fees earned before the conflict of interest arose or of fees for work by other attorneys in
    the conflicted attorney’s law firm, who knew nothing of his conflict. We noted that the
    bankruptcy court had “credited [the attorney] with having performed extraordinary
    services to the estate both before and after he acquired the creditor’s interest,” that there
    was no embezzlement or self-dealing, and that “the principal harm done by [the
    conflicted attorney] was to the creditor whose claim he acquired” and that creditor had
    apparently obtained satisfaction from the attorney for that harm. 
    Id.
     We concluded, “It is
    a close case, and we might well have upheld more severe punishment of [the conflicted
    attorney] and his law firm, to whom his conflict was attributable under ordinary agency
    principles,” but we deferred to the bankruptcy judge. 
    Id.
     at 1324–25.
    It would be unwise to try to catalog all potential mitigating circumstances. But
    they must be compelling ones. For example, in In re Wright, 
    591 B.R. 68
     (Bankr. N.D.
    Okla. 2018), an opinion consolidating 13 bankruptcy proceedings, the court said that full
    disgorgement of all fees was appropriate, but it limited disgorgement to postpetition
    payments. See 
    id. at 95
    . According to the court, ordering disgorgement of the prepetition
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    fees, often less than $200, “would be administratively unworkable, since some of the funds
    paid by the debtors pre-petition were allocated to court fees and other miscellaneous
    services.” 
    Id.
    Or the breach may have been only a technical one. See Vergos v. Mendes &
    Gonzalez PLLC (In re McCrary & Dunlap Const. Co.), LLC, 79 F. App’x 770, 780
    (6th Cir. 2003) (unpublished) (“[W]hile a bankruptcy court does not abuse its discretion
    if it denies all compensation where, through mere negligence, an attorney fails to satisfy
    the requirements of the Code and Rules, . . . a ‘technical breach’ of the Code and Rules
    generally warrants a sanction far more lenient than full disgorgement and denial of all
    compensation.”). But see 
    id. at 786
     (Batchelder, J., dissenting) (full disgorgement was
    appropriate because law firm held itself out as experienced and should be held to that
    standard).
    Additional situations when leniency may be warranted can be addressed when
    they arise.
    B.   Application to This Case
    Mr. Welch egregiously violated the disclosure requirements of § 329(a) and
    Bankruptcy Rule 2016(b). As the bankruptcy judge noted, he probably never would have
    made the disclosures had the court not ordered him to. The disclosures came more than
    two years after he was required to disclose his compensation agreement with the Stewarts
    and more than a year after he was required to report the $350,000 paid him.
    As explained above, the default sanction for Mr. Welch’s failures to disclose is
    that he must disgorge all fees received in connection with the bankruptcy. The
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    bankruptcy court could order a lesser disgorgement, but only for sound reasons supported
    by solid evidence. Otherwise, the failure to disgorge all fees is an abuse of discretion.
    On the record before us, we must hold that there was an abuse of discretion in this case.
    The bankruptcy court’s reasons for disgorging only a small fraction of Mr.
    Welch’s fee were wholly inadequate. Without any evidence, or even a supporting
    argument from Mr. Welch, it speculated that Mr. Welch had never been sanctioned, had
    not represented debtors in Chapter 7 proceedings and was not familiar with the disclosure
    requirements, and would face financial catastrophe if he had to disgorge the full fee. The
    court relied on its common sense and long experience with bankruptcy practice. We fail,
    however, to see how those sources could provide a basis for those grounds favoring only
    partial disgorgement. We believe the bankruptcy judge’s experience and participation in
    the proceedings could support its determination that Mr. Welch had provided exceptional
    representation to his clients. But a conclusory statement does not suffice. Particularly
    given the court’s observation about the lack of candor and honesty of his clients, we
    should note that it would not be enough to fight tooth and nail in defense of indefensible
    improprieties of a client. On the other hand, credit should be given to an attorney who
    manages to convince the client of the need for full disclosure and candor in the
    proceedings.
    Most importantly, however, the bankruptcy court failed to examine the source of
    the payments to Mr. Welch. The court seems to have inferred from Mr. Welch’s talent
    and experience that his failures to disclose must have been inadvertent. But an
    alternative hypothesis is that he surely knew of his duty and must have had some very
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    strong reason to keep the payments secret. If, for example, he had thought that disclosure
    would lead to substantial challenges to the payments (as indeed occurred), he would have
    had a motive not to disclose. The lure of an uncontested $350,000 might induce some
    people to violate the disclosure requirements, particularly if the downside risk was
    limited to a $25,000 penalty and criticism in a bankruptcy-court opinion.
    We would therefore expect the court to examine those payments before deciding
    not to require complete disgorgement. Consider the contingency-fee payment of
    $144,591.85. The only document entitling him to that fee is dated shortly before the BP
    settlement and about a month after he had informed the Trustee that there was movement
    in the BP litigation. That is pretty late in the litigation to be adding a recipient of a
    contingency fee, yet there is no evidence that he had been promised any contingency fee
    before the document was executed. Also, there is a question about the value of the work
    he purportedly performed to earn that fee —“advis[ing] and assist[ing] the non-debtor
    claimants in providing substantiating documents to support [the chief attorney] in the
    settlement process and negotiat[ing] specific language to the settlement agreements.”
    Aplt. App., Vol. 13 at 3305. Mr. Welch would not be entitled to the fee if it were merely
    a device to divert to him money that would otherwise be available for creditors of the
    Stewarts’ companies.
    The other payment was $203,812.56 out of Neverve’s net share of the BP
    proceeds. SEPH makes two plausible arguments why that payment was improper. First,
    it contends that it had a security interest in BP payments to any of the Stewarts’
    companies. Second, as we understand the point, it argues that any disbursement by
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    Neverve for the Stewarts’ benefit was a dividend to them and therefore property of the
    estate.
    We make no judgment on the validity of the challenges to these payments to Mr.
    Welch. The challenges may lack merit. But Mr. Welch’s burden on the disgorgement
    issue requires more than simply prevailing on the challenges. Even if they fail, they may
    have caused sufficient concern to induce him to avoid the challenges by keeping the
    payments secret. As we said before about a debtor’s failure to disclose a cause of action
    as an asset of the estate, allowing the debtor “to back up and benefit from the reopening
    of his bankruptcy only after his admission had been exposed would suggest that a debtor
    should consider disclosing potential assets only if he is caught concealing them.”
    Eastman, 
    493 F.3d at 1160
     (brackets and internal quotation marks omitted). If the sole
    penalty for not disclosing is that the debtor’s attorney has to face the challenges that
    would have presented themselves had he disclosed the matter as required, then there is no
    incentive to comply with disclosure requirements.
    For the above reasons, we must reverse the bankruptcy court’s disgorgement order
    and remand for further proceedings. 3
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    We realize that if further disgorgement seems proper, a question may arise regarding
    where the disgorged funds should go. We leave that possibility for the bankruptcy court
    to resolve in the first instance, because what is determined on remand may moot the
    issue. There may be no further disgorgement; or it may be determined that all the funds
    paid to Mr. Welch were property of the estate or subject to liens of creditors.
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    VI.    CONCLUSION
    We REVERSE the bankruptcy court’s order requiring Mr. Welch to pay to the
    Trustee $25,000 for the benefit of the estate and REMAND for further proceedings
    consistent with this opinion.
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