United States v. Channon (Brandi) ( 2020 )


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    United States Court of Appeals
    PUBLISH                               Tenth Circuit
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS                      September 1, 2020
    Christopher M. Wolpert
    FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT                          Clerk of Court
    _________________________________
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
    Plaintiff - Appellee,
    v.                                                         No. 19-2028
    BRANDI CHANNON,
    Defendant - Appellant.
    _________________________________
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
    Plaintiff - Appellee,
    v.                                                         No. 19-2029
    MATTHEW CHANNON,
    Defendant - Appellant.
    _________________________________
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the District of New Mexico
    (D.C. Nos. 1:13-CR-966-JCH-KK-1 and 1:13-CR-966-JCH-KK-2)
    _________________________________
    Katayoun A. Donnelly, Azizpour Donnelly LLC, Denver, Colorado, for Defendant-
    Appellant Brandi Channon.
    James L. Hankins, Edmond, Oklahoma, for Defendant-Appellant Matthew Channon.
    C. Paige Messec, Assistant United States Attorney (John C. Anderson, United States
    Attorney, with her on the brief), Albuquerque, New Mexico, for Plaintiff-Appellee.
    _________________________________
    Before BRISCOE, KELLY, and CARSON, Circuit Judges.
    _________________________________
    CARSON, Circuit Judge.
    _________________________________
    At first glance, a district court’s order of forfeiture and its order of restitution
    may appear to be a double punishment to a defendant—especially when the district
    court orders a defendant to pay forfeiture and restitution in the same amount. But
    forfeiture and restitution are distinct remedies. Restitution exists to make victims
    whole. Forfeiture, on the other hand, exists to punish those who commit crimes. In
    this case, Defendants fraudulently obtained over $100,000 in store credit, redeemed
    those credits for merchandise and prepaid debit cards, and then sold that same
    merchandise on the internet.
    Unsurprisingly, no one disputes how to calculate the value of the loss to the
    retailer—the loss equals the value of the fraudulently obtained merchandise. But
    what is Defendants’ gain? Is it the value of the fraudulently obtained merchandise?
    Or is it solely the profit Defendants received from selling the merchandise? And do
    Defendants have a forfeitable gain if they sell the merchandise for less than market
    value?
    In some cases, a defendant either does not resell fraudulently obtained
    merchandise or does so at a discount and thus has no profit above the value of the
    merchandise. To address that scenario, we hold that a district court may base a
    judgment’s forfeiture amount on the value of the fraudulently obtained merchandise
    at the time a defendant acquired it. We further hold that a district court may not
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    reduce or eliminate criminal forfeiture because of restitution. Finally, we reaffirm
    our holding that in personam money judgments representing the amount of unlawful
    proceeds are appropriate under the criminal forfeiture statutes. United States v.
    McGinty, 
    610 F.3d 1242
    , 1245 (10th Cir. 2010). We exercise jurisdiction under 28
    U.S.C. § 1291 and affirm the district court’s forfeiture order.
    I.
    Defendants—a married couple—opened numerous rewards accounts at
    OfficeMax using fictitious names and addresses. They fraudulently claimed other
    customers’ purchases as their own to generate undeserved rewards through
    OfficeMax’s customer loyalty program. As part of the scheme, Defendants also
    violated the terms of the reward program by using various accounts to sell more than
    27,000 used ink cartridges to OfficeMax in exchange for OfficeMax rewards.
    Defendants’ scheme lasted twenty-one months. In that time, they redeemed $105,191
    in OfficeMax rewards.
    A jury convicted Defendants of wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire
    fraud relating to their scheme to defraud OfficeMax in violation of 18 U.S.C.
    §§ 1343 and 1349. At sentencing, after an evidentiary hearing, the district court
    ordered Defendants to pay $96,278 in restitution to OfficeMax and entered a separate
    forfeiture money judgment jointly and severally against Defendants in the amount of
    $105,191. Defendants appealed. In their first appeal, Defendants argued, among
    other things, that the district court erred when it entered a forfeiture money judgment
    without proving the $105,191 constituted, or was derived from, proceeds traceable to
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    the wire fraud. Specifically, Defendant Matthew Channon posited that the
    government made no attempt to trace the OfficeMax rewards to cash. The
    government, on the other hand, contended that they proved Defendants fraudulently
    acquired OfficeMax rewards with a face value of $105,191, and that Defendants
    exchanged that credit for $105,191 in actual merchandise. At oral argument in their
    first appeal, Defendants spent their entire argument regarding forfeiture disputing the
    amount of forfeiture the district court ordered. Specifically, Defendant Brandi
    Channon’s attorney argued that if a defendant steals something worth $50,000, but
    sells it for $3,000, the gain to that defendant, and thus the proper amount of
    forfeiture, is $3,000, not $50,000.
    We upheld the district court’s admission of certain challenged exhibits but
    remanded for further proceedings on the money judgment of forfeiture in light of the
    Supreme Court’s decision in Honeycutt v. United States, 
    137 S. Ct. 1626
    (2017).
    Honeycutt held, among other things, that the substitute-asset provision of the
    Comprehensive Forfeiture Act of 1984, 21 U.S.C. § 853(p), provides the only method
    for the forfeiture of untainted property; that is, property not flowing from or used in
    the crime itself.
    Id. at
    1632. At the time, we stated:
    Defendants last argue that the government failed to meet its burden to prove
    the amount forfeited ($105,191) was traceable to the offense of wire fraud.
    We have held that wire fraud proceeds are subject to forfeiture under 18
    U.S.C. § 981(a)(1)(C) and 28 U.S.C. § 2461. See United States v.
    Courtney, 
    816 F.3d 681
    , 685 (10th Cir. 2016). The property subject to
    forfeiture includes “[a]ny property, real, or personal, which constitutes or is
    derived from proceeds traceable to [the] violation.” 18 U.S.C.
    § 981(a)(1)(C). The substitute-asset provision, 21 U.S.C. § 853(p),
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    provides the only method for the forfeiture of untainted property.
    Honeycutt v. United States, 
    137 S. Ct. 1626
    , 1633 (2017).
    The government concedes a remand to conform the money judgment to the
    requirements of § 853(p) may be necessary. The government explains that
    going forward it will seek only to enforce a forfeiture money judgment
    through the substitute-asset provisions of § 853(p) and will seek to amend
    the forfeiture order under Fed. R. Crim. P. 32.2(e). Accordingly, we
    remand so the district court may conduct further proceedings on this issue.
    United States v. Channon, 
    881 F.3d 806
    , 812 (10th Cir. 2018).
    On remand, Defendant Matthew Channon sought another evidentiary hearing
    on the money judgment. Defendants argued that the district court incorrectly
    calculated the forfeiture amount and had to determine the amount of profit they
    received through their fraudulent scheme. The government objected to the motion,
    contending that our mandate “left that determination untouched.” The district court
    did not hold a second evidentiary hearing. Instead, it amended its order, clarifying
    that if the government seeks forfeiture of substitute-property—i.e., untainted property
    when the tainted property is unavailable—it must satisfy § 853(p)’s requirements at
    that time. Defendants again appealed the district court’s forfeiture order.
    II.
    In this second appeal, Defendants fault the district court for simply amending
    the judgment to clarify that the government must satisfy the requirements of § 853(p)
    when seeking forfeiture of substitute property. Defendants assert that our mandate
    required an evidentiary hearing on the proper forfeiture amount because the
    government failed to prove the amount of profit Defendants realized as a result of
    their scheme. Defendants further contend the district court failed to make specific
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    findings as to what tainted assets each Defendant obtained as a result of their
    criminal activity, whether any need existed for substitution of untainted assets for the
    tainted assets, and whether the value of the substituted asset is equal to or less than
    the value of unavailable tainted assets. Finally, they assert that Supreme Court
    precedent foreclosed the district court from holding Defendants jointly and severally
    liable for the entire forfeiture judgment.
    We first examine the language of our prior mandate, looking to whether the
    district court acted within its discretion in failing to hold an evidentiary hearing after
    remand. We then turn to the district court’s forfeiture order. For the reasons set
    forth below, we conclude that the district court did not abuse its discretion in refusing
    an evidentiary hearing. We further hold that the district court properly entered the
    money judgment in the amount of $105,191 and that the district court did not err in
    imposing joint and several liability against Defendants. Finally, we hold that the
    government may satisfy § 853(p)’s substitute-asset requirements at the time it seeks
    forfeiture of substitute assets.
    A.
    We first address the parties’ disagreement regarding the scope of our prior
    mandate. Defendants believe our mandate required the district court to hold an
    evidentiary hearing while the government contends that the district court had the
    discretion to hold a hearing but did not have an obligation to begin anew. We agree
    with the government.
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    Under the law of the case doctrine, “once a court decides an issue, the same
    issue may not be relitigated in subsequent proceedings in the same case.” Harte v.
    Bd. of Comm’rs of Cty. of Johnson, Kan., 
    940 F.3d 498
    , 510 (10th Cir. 2019)
    (quoting Ute Indian Tribe of the Uintah & Ouray Reservation v. Utah, 
    114 F.3d 1513
    ,
    1520 (10th Cir. 1997)). An important corollary of the law of the case doctrine—the
    “mandate rule”—“provides that a district court must comply strictly” with the
    reviewing court’s mandate.
    Id. Although “[i]nterpretation of
    the mandate is an issue
    of law that we review de novo,”
    id., “where the appellate
    court has not specifically
    limited the scope of the remand, the district court generally has discretion to expand
    the resentencing beyond the sentencing error causing the reversal.” United States v.
    West, 
    646 F.3d 745
    , 748 (10th Cir. 2011). In this Circuit, “unless the district court’s
    discretion is specifically cabined, it may exercise discretion on what may be heard.”
    Id. at
    749. In practice, a district court looks “to the mandate for any limitations on
    the scope of the remand and, in the absence of such limitations, exercise[s] discretion
    in determining the appropriate scope.”
    Id. In interpreting the
    prior panel’s forfeiture holding, we look to the language of
    the prior opinion and, in particular, the mandate. 
    Harte, 940 F.3d at 511
    . The panel
    acknowledged the government’s concession that a remand to conform the money
    judgment might be necessary and set forth the government’s position that it would
    seek to enforce a forfeiture money judgment only through the substitute-asset
    provisions of § 853(p). The panel remanded “so the district court may conduct
    further proceedings on this issue.” 
    Channon, 881 F.3d at 812
    . Nothing in the prior
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    panel’s holding cabined the district court on remand. Importantly, nothing in the
    prior panel’s holding indicated to the district court that it had erred in calculating the
    amount of forfeiture money judgment. Thus, the mandate’s language did not require
    the district court to hold an evidentiary hearing on the forfeiture amount.
    Accordingly, the district court retained the discretion to make its own determination
    on Matthew Channon’s hearing request.
    The dissent argues that the district court should not have relied on the
    language of the opinion to determine the mandate. Instead, the dissent tells us that in
    addition to looking at the clear language of the order, the district court should have
    also examined the parties’ arguments from the first appeal. The mandate rule
    demands no such inquiry and the dissent provides no basis for one. Prior to the first
    appeal, the district court had held a hearing at which time it listened to testimony,
    viewed evidence, and calculated a forfeiture money judgment. Defendants appealed
    that judgment. The prior panel remanded based on the government’s concession that
    the language of the judgment needed to reference § 853(p)’s requirements—no more
    explanation, no less. The prior panel did not specifically cabin the district court’s
    actions on remand. Did the mandate give the district court the discretion to hold a
    second hearing? Absolutely. But did it require a second hearing? No. The dissent’s
    statement that the mandate encompassed “the general arguments raised by the
    Channons” in their appeal does not comport with the long-standing and established
    discretion we afford a district court. Indeed, the dissent’s position that we must scour
    the Court record for appellate arguments made in prior appeals finds no support in
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    our precedents. And we decline to require district courts on remand to rehash every
    argument mentioned in old briefing, but not set forth in the mandate.
    Now, we turn to whether the district court abused that discretion in refusing to
    hold a second evidentiary hearing.
    B.
    Defendants assert the district court erred: (1) by declining to revisit the amount
    of the money judgment representing the proceeds of the scheme, (2) by holding them
    jointly and severally liable, and (3) by failing to determine the need for substitution
    of untainted assets for tainted assets or to determine whether the value of the
    substituted asset is equal to or less than that of the unavailable tainted assets
    Defendants obtained.1 Defendant Matthew Channon principally relies on Honeycutt,
    which held that the procedure outlined in § 853(p) is the only way for the government
    to recoup substitute property (which prompted the government’s concession to
    remand) and that forfeiture is limited to property the defendant himself actually
    acquired as a result of the crime. He argues that Honeycutt required a hearing on
    remand to determine whether the government met its burden and to amend the
    judgment so as to not hold him and his wife jointly and severally liable. Defendant
    Brandi Channon’s argument focuses on the district court’s understanding of the
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    The dissent asserts that we acknowledge, but then ultimately fail to address
    these issues on the merits. We disagree. See infra Section II.B.3. (discussing that
    nothing in the text of § 853(p) limits the substitute property eligible for forfeiture to
    property that the defendant owns at the time of sentencing and that the government
    will have to prove one of the elements in § 853(p)(1) before the district court may
    order forfeiture of specific substitute property under § 853(p)(2)).
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    difference between restitution and forfeiture. We review the district court’s
    interpretation of the federal forfeiture laws de novo, 
    McGinty, 610 F.3d at 1245
    , and
    its factual findings for clear error, United States v. Bader, 
    678 F.3d 858
    , 893 (10th
    Cir. 2012).
    1.
    We first consider whether the district court had an obligation to revisit the
    amount of the money judgment. And we begin our inquiry with the plain language of
    the statute. 
    McGinty, 610 F.3d at 1245
    . The criminal forfeiture statute at issue
    provides that “[a]ny property, real or personal, which constitutes or is derived from
    proceeds traceable to a violation of . . . ‘specified unlawful activity’” including wire
    fraud “is subject to forfeiture to the United States.” 18 U.S.C. § 981(a)(1)(C). The
    statute defines “proceeds” as “property of any kind obtained directly or indirectly, as
    the result of the commission of the offense giving rise to forfeiture, and any property
    traceable thereto, and is not limited to the net gain or profit realized from the
    offense.” 18 U.S.C. § 981(a)(2)(A). The Code further provides that if a defendant is
    charged in a criminal case “with a violation of an Act of Congress for which the civil
    or criminal forfeiture of property is authorized,” the government may include a notice
    of forfeiture in the charging document. 28 U.S.C. § 2461(c). And if the defendant is
    convicted of the offense giving rise to the forfeiture, “the court shall order the
    forfeiture of the property as part of the sentence in the criminal case pursuant to the
    Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure.”
    Id. In personam money
    judgments
    representing the amount of unlawful proceeds are appropriate under criminal
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    forfeiture.2 
    McGinty, 610 F.3d at 1246
    . Thus, a district court may award the
    government a money judgment against a defendant for the value of what he obtained
    from his criminal activity.
    Id. Defendants do not
    dispute that a district court may award a forfeiture
    judgment, but instead fault the district court for entering a forfeiture judgment based
    on the value of the merchandise and certificates they redeemed through OfficeMax
    rewards.3 Defendants specifically claim that because the district court based both the
    restitution and forfeiture amounts on OfficeMax’s loss, the forfeiture judgment
    constitutes a double recovery. But awarding a forfeiture amount equal to restitution
    does not amount to a double recovery.
    Id. at
    1247.
    “Criminal forfeiture and restitution are separate remedies with different
    purposes.”
    Id. Restitution—designed to compensate
    victims and restore their
    losses—is not punitive, but rather is remedial in nature.
    Id. Forfeiture—the vesting of
    title in the United States in a defendant’s tainted property—is punitive in nature
    and seeks to disgorge any profits that the offender realized from his illegal activity.
    Id.; see also United States v. Awad, 
    598 F.3d 76
    , 78 (2d Cir. 2010) (stating that
    2
    An “in personam” judgment is a “judgment that imposes personal liability on
    a defendant and that may therefore be satisfied out of any of the defendant’s property
    within judicial reach.” Black’s Law Dictionary 861 (8th ed. 1999).
    3
    Restitution and forfeiture are not the same amount in this case because the
    district court considered the value of the used ink cartridges Defendants brought to
    OfficeMax and subtracted that amount from the value of the merchandise Defendants
    obtained from OfficeMax with the fraudulent rewards. Because of the value of the
    used ink cartridges, the district court reduced OfficeMax’s loss—the restitution
    amount—to $96,278.
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    forfeiture “is concerned not with how much an individual has but with how much he
    received in connection with the commission of the crime” (quoting United States v.
    Casey, 
    444 F.3d 1071
    , 1077 (9th Cir. 2006))). Because restitution (calculated based
    on the victim’s loss) and forfeiture (calculated based on the offender’s gain) are
    distinct remedies, “ordering both in the same or similar amounts does not generally
    amount to a double recovery.” 
    McGinty, 610 F.3d at 1247
    .
    We understand that the orders of forfeiture and restitution may at first glance
    appear to be a double or alternative punishment. Both order cash payments that
    approximate OfficeMax’s loss. But Defendants’ “double recovery” argument runs
    afoul of not only our precedent, but also the text of the statute. Section 981 treats as
    “proceeds” any “property” that a defendant “obtained directly or indirectly” as a
    result of the commission of the theft of property and “is not limited to the net gain or
    profit realized from the offense.” 18 U.S.C. § 981(a)(2)(A).
    Likewise, case law provides that restitution and forfeiture serve different
    goals. 
    McGinty, 610 F.3d at 1247
    . “[T]hat the combination of a forfeiture order and
    a restitution order results in a form of punitive damages piled on top of the other
    penalties for the defendant’s crime” is appropriate given that fraud is a concealable
    offense. United States v. Navarrete, 
    667 F.3d 886
    , 888 (7th Cir. 2012); see also
    
    McGinty, 610 F.3d at 1247
    –48 (concluding that requiring an offender to pay both
    restitution and forfeiture “at worst forces the offender to disgorge a total amount
    equal to twice the value of the proceeds of the crime” (quoting United States v.
    Taylor, 
    582 F.3d 558
    , 566 (5th Cir. 2009))). “Given the many tangible and intangible
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    costs of criminal activity, this is in no way disproportionate to the harm [the offense]
    inflicted upon government and society.” 
    McGinty, 610 F.3d at 1247
    –48 (quoting
    
    Taylor, 582 F.3d at 566
    ).
    To illustrate their position, Defendants ask us to imagine a defendant who
    steals a $50,000 piano from a music store and then sells that piano for $3,000.
    Defendants argue that the music store is entitled to $50,000 in restitution and the
    government is entitled to $3,000 in forfeiture. Defendants’ argument overlooks the
    distinction between restitution and forfeiture. In addition to Defendants’ scenario—
    where the hypothetical thief sells the piano for less than $50,000, let’s also assume a
    scenario where the thief keeps the piano for his personal use. Under either scenario,
    the thief realizes a gain of $50,000—the value of the piano at the time of the
    wrongdoing. The thief does not need to sell the piano for more than its value to
    realize a gain.4 The forfeiture statute says that “any property . . . which constitutes or
    is derived from proceeds traceable to” the scheme is subject to forfeiture. 18 U.S.C.
    § 981(a)(1)(C). Nothing in the statute requires that Defendants re-sell the OfficeMax
    merchandise to realize a gain. Put simply, the government is entitled to forfeiture in
    the amount of Defendants’ proceeds, and OfficeMax, the victim, was entitled to
    restitution in the amount of its loss. United States v. Arnold, 
    878 F.3d 940
    , 946 (10th
    Cir. 2017).
    4
    Although not at issue in this case, assume that hypothetical thief sells the
    piano for $53,000. In that scenario, the thief’s gain is $53,000.
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    Statutes mandating restitution and forfeiture do not allow a defendant’s
    payments toward one to offset the amount owed to the other.
    Id. In this case,
    Defendants either did not resell the merchandise they fraudulently obtained from
    OfficeMax or claim that they sold it at a discount and thus had no profit above the
    value of the merchandise.5 Thus, because Defendants did not resell the merchandise
    or sell it for a profit above the value of the merchandise, we base Defendants’ gain on
    the value of the merchandise at the time they obtained it. And at trial, the
    government presented evidence showing that Defendants redeemed certificates for
    merchandise worth $105,191—property traceable to Defendants’ scheme.6
    Remarkably, the dissent contends that Defendants do not and have “never
    made” the argument contesting the forfeiture amount and suggests that we
    misunderstand Defendants’ arguments. Yet both in this second appeal and the first
    appeal Defendants challenged the forfeiture amount. As mentioned above, Brandi
    Channon’s counsel at the first oral argument argued that Defendants sold the
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    The dissent asserts that Defendants do not claim that they sold the
    merchandise at a discount and thus had no profit above the value of the merchandise.
    In her opening brief, Brandi Channon argued that the “Government has presented
    evidence of the loss of OfficeMax, but no evidence concerning the actual gain by the
    Channons, which is likely much less because the evidence at trial indicated that the
    Channons sold items received as a result of their use of OfficeMax rewards at a deep
    discount.” Appellant Brandi Channon’s Opening Br. at 18–19 (emphasis added).
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    The dissent posits that we appear to place the burden on criminal defendants
    to prove what happened to merchandise obtained from their crimes. Not so. The
    government, as it did in this case, must prove the amount of loss. And before the
    district court may order forfeiture of specific substitute property, the government
    must prove one of the elements in § 853(p)(1). See infra Section II.B.3.
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    merchandise at discounted prices, so the district court erred in its forfeiture
    calculation. In her briefing in this appeal, Brandi Channon stated she wanted to
    underscore “the conceptual difference between restitution, which is a measure of loss
    to the victim; as opposed to forfeiture, which is a measure of gain by the perpetrator.”
    Appellant Brandi Channon Br. at 11. She then raised the piano example by way of
    analogy and said:
    Channon perceives force in this example because it illustrates the defense
    argument—that the $105,191.00 figure proffered by the Government as the
    forfeiture amount does not include with any acceptable degree of proof by
    the Government that this figure represents the amount of gain to the
    Channons traceable to the wire fraud conviction as distinguished from the
    amount of loss to Office Max.
    It may well be that the Government agrees to comply with § 853(p) at the
    time that it seizes and attempts to convert assets to cash, but that does not
    resolve the central attack of the Channons on the amount of judgment itself.
    Id. at
    18 (emphasis in original). Brandi Channon clearly perceives the “central
    attack” in this appeal to be “the amount of judgment itself.”
    Despite the dissent’s assertions to the contrary, Defendant Matthew Channon
    also shared this view. In his “Motion for Evidentiary Hearing to Determine
    Forfeiture Amount” filed in the district court after remand, but before the second
    appeal, Matthew Channon asked “the Court to set this matter for an evidentiary
    hearing to determine the actual amount of gain to the Channons; and then, and only
    then, if the government satisfies its burden of proof on that issue, to identify
    traceable property, or substitute assets, for satisfaction of any forfeiture judgment”
    (emphasis added). By way of example, he not only used the piano example, but also
    argued that “If a $30 gift card was sold for $10, then the gain to the Channons would
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    have been $10, not $30.”
    Id. at
    DNM 255. Again, Matthew Channon sought to re-
    litigate the forfeiture amount on remand and then “and only then” identify traceable
    property or substitute assets.
    We conclude the district court properly determined the forfeiture judgment
    based on the value of the merchandise and, as a result, did not abuse its discretion in
    declining to hold a second evidentiary hearing.
    2.
    Defendants next argue that the district court erred in holding them jointly and
    severally liable for the forfeiture judgment. Defendant Matthew Channon asserts that
    Honeycutt made clear that the criminal forfeiture statute does not permit joint and
    several liability. Under his interpretation of Honeycutt, the government may only
    substitute untainted assets (money) for the tainted assets that the defendant personally
    (not jointly with his wife) obtained. Because Defendants did not raise this issue to
    the district court on remand—after the Supreme Court decided Honeycutt—we
    review for plain error.7 Accordingly, Defendants must show “(1) there was error,
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    Defendants refuse to make their arguments under a plain error standard of
    review. They assert that the district court failed on remand to apply new Supreme
    Court law in accordance with our direction for the district court to “conduct further
    proceedings on this issue.” True, the Supreme Court decided Honeycutt prior to our
    remand. But once back in the district court, Defendants never asked the court in their
    requests for hearing to reassess the forfeiture order because they believed Honeycutt
    prohibited joint and several liability. The dissent believes Defendants did not have
    an opportunity to raise this issue. Defendants had such an opportunity. Defendant
    Matthew Channon filed a “Motion for Evidentiary Hearing to Determine Forfeiture
    Amount” in the district court following the remand. He never mentioned joint and
    several liability. Instead, he focused his request for a hearing on the district court’s
    alleged error in properly calculating their gain.
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    (2) that is plain, (3) that affects substantial rights, and (4) that seriously affects the
    fairness, integrity or public reputation of judicial proceedings.” United States v.
    Headman, 
    594 F.3d 1179
    , 1183 (10th Cir. 2010) (quoting United States v. Fields, 
    516 F.3d 923
    , 943 (10th Cir. 2008)).
    We note that a circuit split has developed over whether Honeycutt applies to a
    forfeiture under 18 U.S.C. § 981(a)(1)(C). In Honeycutt, the Supreme Court
    analyzed a forfeiture under a different statute, 21 U.S.C. § 853(a), which states that
    “[a]ny person convicted of a violation of this subchapter . . . shall forfeit to the
    United States . . . (1) any property constituting, or derived from, any proceeds the
    person obtained, directly or indirectly, as the result of such violation.” To limit
    forfeiture to property that the defendant actually acquired under that statute, the
    Supreme Court relied on § 853(a)’s phrase “the person obtained.” Honeycutt, 137 S.
    Ct. at 1632–33. This led the Supreme Court to hold that a defendant may not be
    “held jointly and severally liable for property that his co-conspirator derived from the
    crime but that the defendant himself did not acquire.”
    Id. at
    1630, 1634. Unlike
    § 853(a), Congress did not write the phrase “the person obtained” into
    § 981(a)(1)(C). The circuits concluding that Honeycutt does not apply to
    § 981(a)(1)(C) identified that phrase as the “linchpin” of the Supreme Court’s
    decision. Compare United States v. Sexton, 
    894 F.3d 787
    , 799 (6th Cir. 2018)
    (holding Honeycutt’s reasoning does not apply to a forfeiture under § 981(a)(1)(C)),
    and United States v. Peithman, 
    917 F.3d 635
    , 652 (8th Cir. 2019) (same), with United
    States v. Gjeli, 
    867 F.3d 418
    , 427 n.16, 428 (3d Cir. 2017) (holding that a court may
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    no longer impose joint and several liability in a forfeiture under § 981(a)(1)(C) after
    Honeycutt).
    We do not need to weigh in on whether Honeycutt applies to forfeitures under
    § 981(a)(1)(C) for two reasons. First, under plain error review, Defendants must
    show that the district court committed obvious error. United States v. Cingari, 
    952 F.3d 1301
    , 1305 (11th Cir. 2020) (concluding Defendants could not demonstrate an
    obvious error in the same situation). The textual difference between § 853 and § 981
    proves fatal to this plain error argument.
    Id. at
    1306. Moreover, because of the split
    in authority on whether Honeycutt applies to a § 981 forfeiture, we cannot rely on
    Honeycutt as the basis for obvious error.8 See United States v. Teague, 
    443 F.3d 1310
    , 1319 (10th Cir. 2006) (“If neither the Supreme Court nor the Tenth Circuit has
    8
    Even if Honeycutt applied to § 981(a)(1)(C), Defendants failed to show that
    its analysis plainly applies to them. In Honeycutt, the Supreme Court’s analysis
    turned on an employer-employee relationship. The employer-owner in that case
    obtained the profits while the salaried employee did not. “Honeycutt’s bar against
    joint and several forfeiture for co-conspirators applies only to co-conspirators who
    never possessed the tainted proceeds of their crimes.” United States v. Tanner, 
    942 F.3d 60
    , 67–68 (2d Cir. 2019). “But when each co-conspirator acquired the full
    proceeds ‘as a result of the crime,’ each can still be held liable to forfeit the value of
    those tainted proceeds.”
    Id. at
    68 (quoting 
    Honeycutt, 137 S. Ct. at 1635
    ).
    Defendants are a married couple who lived together and enjoyed the benefits of their
    scheme together. The facts here are unlike the case of a drug kingpin and several
    drug dealers who do not have any relationship or shared benefits outside of the
    conspiracy. In that scenario, each member would take his cut and go his separate
    way, resulting in different forfeiture amounts. The record indicates that both
    Defendants acquired the full proceeds of their conspiracy as a result of their scheme.
    For example, Defendant Brandi Channon’s attorney at sentencing told the district
    court that “as a result of being married to Mr. Channon, she was a . . . passive
    recipient of those benefits.”
    18
    ruled on the subject, we cannot find plain error if the authority in other circuits is
    split.”). Thus, we see no plain error in the district court’s decision to hold them
    jointly and severally liable for the entire forfeiture amount.
    3.
    We agree with Defendants that the government will have to prove one of the
    elements in § 853(p)(1) before the district court may order forfeiture of specific
    substitute property under § 853(p)(2).9 The government, however, is not required to
    do so at sentencing. See United States v. Newman, 
    659 F.3d 1235
    , 1242–43 (9th Cir.
    2011) (“Because the government sought a money judgment in the first instance, there
    was no need to seek substitute property.” (emphasis in original)). Federal Rule of
    Criminal Procedure 32.2(b)(4)(C) allows Defendants or the government the
    opportunity to appeal a district court’s amended order regarding substitute property
    when that order granting or denying the amendment becomes final. Accordingly, the
    district court did not err in declining to hold an evidentiary hearing on remand to
    determine the need for substitution of untainted assets for tainted assets or to
    determine whether the value of the substituted asset is equal to or less than that of the
    unavailable tainted assets Defendants obtained.
    9
    Pursuant to § 853(p)(1), the district court shall order the forfeiture of
    substitute property when, as a result of a defendant’s act or omission, the tainted
    property:
    (A) cannot be located upon the exercise of due diligence; (B) has been
    transferred or sold to, or deposited with, a third party; (C) has been
    placed beyond the jurisdiction of the court; (D) has been substantially
    diminished in value; or (E) has been commingled with other property
    which cannot be divided without difficulty.
    19
    The dissent finds our holding that a district court may order forfeiture in the
    form of a money judgment against a defendant at the time of sentencing troubling.
    We agree with the dissent that if Defendants are still in possession of the tainted
    merchandise, then those items are subject to forfeiture under the applicable statutes.
    We also agree with the dissent that only if the government proves the existence of
    one or more of the circumstances described in § 853(p)(1) can it seek the forfeiture of
    untainted property. But we part ways with the dissent when it comes to when the
    government must meet its burden. Section 853(p) does not require the government to
    prove the existence of one or more of the circumstances described in § 853(p)(1) at
    sentencing. Indeed, nothing in § 853(p)’s text “limit[s] the substitute property
    eligible for forfeiture to property that the defendant owns at the time of sentencing.”
    United States v. Nejad, 
    933 F.3d 1162
    , 1165 (9th Cir. 2019). As the Nejad court
    pointed out, a contrary rule “would allow an insolvent defendant to escape the
    mandatory forfeiture penalty Congress has imposed simply by spending or otherwise
    disposing of his criminal proceeds before sentencing.”10
    Id. 10
              In addition to nothing in the statute or the Rules requiring the government
    to prove the elements in § 853(p)(1) at the time of sentencing, the practical concern
    exists that the government often does not have evidence showing what proceeds a
    defendant has in possession at that time. As we explained in Arnold, Federal Rule of
    Criminal Procedure 32.2 “anticipates the possibility that the court may not be able to
    determine the amount of the money judgment before sentencing.” 
    Arnold, 878 F.3d at 944
    . In this case, the government does not have evidence of what Defendants did
    with the merchandise they obtained from OfficeMax. The government, however,
    proved that the Channons fraudulently obtained $105,191 of actual merchandise from
    OfficeMax.
    20
    We also note that, to the extent Defendant Matthew Channon asserts that the
    government cannot seek substitute assets for the value of direct proceeds the
    government has already seized, the government agrees that this would be a double
    recovery and prohibited under § 853(p). The government may obtain a money
    judgment in the full amount of fraud proceeds and apply the value of specific
    forfeited property towards satisfaction of that judgment.
    4.
    The dissent ignores the arguments in Defendants’ opening briefs in this appeal
    and what they identify as the “central attack” of this appeal. In order to reframe the
    arguments, it reaches back to Defendants’ first appeal and quotes from Defendant
    Matthew Channon’s brief in another appeal in order to reframe the issue on the
    present appeal: that a district court may not enter an in personam money judgment
    order of forfeiture for tainted merchandise obtained with rewards points rather than
    cash. But the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure are clear that an opening brief
    must identify “appellant’s contentions and the reasons for them, with citations to the
    authorities and parts of the record on which the appellant relies.” Fed. R. App. P.
    28(a)(8)(A). “Consistent with this requirement, we routinely have declined to
    consider arguments that are not raised, or are inadequately presented, in an
    appellant’s opening brief.” Bronson v. Swensen, 
    500 F.3d 1099
    , 1104 (10th Cir.
    2007).
    True, Defendant Matthew Channon argued in his first appeal that money
    judgments may be appropriate when the offender acquires money but that a jury
    21
    convicted him and his wife of acquiring rewards points, not money. He did not
    reassert that argument in this appeal. Accordingly, Defendants have waived that
    argument in this appeal. Instead, Defendant Matthew Channon argued: (1) the
    government did not prove he personally obtained certain tainted property traced to
    the underlying crime; (2) the government did not prove the identified tainted assets
    could not be forfeited and needed to be substituted; and (3) the government did not
    prove the amount of their gain, which invalidated the forfeiture order. As mentioned
    above, Defendant Brandi Channon’s brief in the present appeal seeks to underscore
    the conceptual difference between restitution and forfeiture and states that the
    government failed to present any evidence of gain by the Channons, which caused the
    forfeiture order amount to be “invalid and over-inflated.”
    “[I]n personam money judgments are appropriate under criminal forfeiture.”
    
    McGinty, 610 F.3d at 1246
    . This holding is not new. And we reaffirm it today.
    Contrary to the dissent’s view, our holding does not undermine or nullify the
    forfeiture statutes in this case. Because the dissent would reverse based on this
    waived argument, we will address it.
    The dissent attempts to distinguish our prior precedent on the basis that
    Defendants’ original proceeds were not cash. The dissent characterizes the proceeds
    traceable to the offenses of conviction as (a) unredeemed MaxPerks Rewards dollars,
    (b) prepaid debit cards, (c) goods obtained through the Channons’ use of the prepaid
    debit cards; and (d) merchandise from OfficeMax (including gift cards). The
    merchandise, however, is “proceeds” because it is property traceable to redeemed
    22
    MaxPerks Rewards dollars. Defendants fraudulently acquired OfficeMax MaxPerks
    Rewards—a cash equivalent that when redeemed has tangible and actual value and
    “proceeds” under § 981(a)(2)(A)—and then used those rewards to obtain gift cards
    and merchandise. And the government has proven that Defendants redeemed
    $105,191 of Rewards for merchandise. Thus, the merchandise was “property
    traceable thereto”—also making it “proceeds” under 18 U.S.C. § 981(a)(2)(A). Our
    reasoning in McGinty and Arnold makes sense and applies equally in this case to
    fraudulently obtained, redeemed rewards points. After all, criminal forfeiture is a
    sanction against the individual rather than a judgment against the property itself.
    
    McGinty, 610 F.3d at 1246
    (quoting United States v. Hall, 
    434 F.3d 42
    , 59 (1st Cir.
    2006)).
    The dissent further contends that had Congress intended to authorize the
    government in any case to obtain an in personam money judgment of forfeiture
    equivalent to the retail value of any tainted merchandise obtained by a defendant, it
    would have explicitly said so. The dissent fails to point out, however, that nothing in
    the applicable statutes authorizes a district court to impose an in personam money
    judgment of forfeiture in any circumstance. And in any event, we crossed that bridge
    in McGinty where we held that “[a]lthough the criminal forfeiture statute does not
    explicitly refer to money judgments, our sister circuits have uniformly recognized
    that money judgments representing the unlawful proceeds are appropriate.”
    
    McGinty, 610 F.3d at 1246
    . In the end, the dissent does not identify the specific
    statutory text we supposedly violate, let alone explain how we run afoul of the text.
    23
    And nothing in our precedent or the statute prohibits or cautions against treating a
    redeemed cash equivalent such as fraudulently obtained store credit or rewards points
    differently from cash.
    AFFIRMED.
    24
    Nos. 19-2028, 19-2029, United States v. Channon
    BRISCOE, Circuit Judge, dissenting.
    I respectfully dissent. In my view, the majority opinion is erroneous in four
    respects. First, it fails to acknowledge the relevant procedural history of this case, and, as
    a result, misinterprets the prior mandate. Second, the majority opinion acknowledges, but
    then ultimately fails to address on the merits, the key arguments asserted by the
    Channons in these appeals. Third, and most problematic for future cases, the majority
    opinion ignores the plain language of the applicable forfeiture statutes, and also
    improperly extends circuit precedent, by authorizing the entry of in personam money
    judgments of forfeiture in cases, such as those at hand, where the offenses of conviction
    resulted in the defendants obtaining items of personal property rather than money. In
    other words, the majority opinion, in direct contravention of the applicable forfeiture
    statutes, allows the government to seize property that was not derived from the offenses
    of conviction (untainted property) without having first proven what proceeds defendants
    actually derived from their offenses of conviction (tainted property) and why that tainted
    property was not available for or otherwise not subject to seizure. Lastly, the majority
    opinion errs in applying a plain error standard of review to the Channons’ argument that
    the district court erred in holding them jointly and severally liable for the amended
    judgment of forfeiture.
    In my view, the district court was obligated to conduct an evidentiary hearing at
    which the government was required to prove what tainted property defendants actually
    derived from their offenses of conviction and, if necessary, the existence of one or more
    of the circumstances described in the substitute-asset provision, 21 U.S.C. § 853(p), that
    might allow for the seizure of untainted property. Here, those key steps were omitted,
    permitting the government to obtain an in personam money judgement by showing only
    the loss amount suffered by the victim—the face value of the redeemed MaxPerks
    Rewards. I therefore vote to reverse the district court’s amended judgment of forfeiture
    and remand to the district court for such a hearing.
    I
    I begin with the scope of the original panel’s mandate. The majority opinion, in
    interpreting this prior mandate, fails to acknowledge the arguments that were made by the
    Channons in their original appeals. Those arguments, however, and the manner in which
    they were addressed by the original panel, necessarily must inform our interpretation of
    the prior mandate.
    In their original appeals, the Channons argued “that the government failed to meet
    its burden to prove the amount forfeited ($105,191) was traceable to the offense of wire
    fraud.” United States v. Channon, 
    881 F.3d 806
    , 811 (10th Cir. 2018) (Channon I). For
    her part, Brandi Channon argued:
    The $105,191 money judgment forfeiture against the Channons is based on
    disregard of the language of 18 U.S.C. § 981(a)(1)(C). The forfeiture is in
    the amount of the face value of the redeemed MaxPerks Rewards. But
    that’s not how § 981(a)(1)(C) works. It does not say “[a]ny property” is
    subject to forfeiture, as the government would have it. What property may
    be forfeited under § 981(a)(1)(C) is “[a]ny property . . . which constitutes or
    is derived from proceeds traceable to” the offense.
    2
    Money judgments may be appropriate when money is what the offender
    acquires as a results of the offense. The Channons were convicted of
    acquiring Rewards and merchandise, not money. The Rewards can only be
    used to buy OfficeMax merchandise. The government alleged in the
    indictment the Channons conspired to obtain merchandise and it set out to
    prove at trial the Channons exchanged Rewards for merchandise. It
    presented evidence of OfficeMax merchandise in the Channons’ home as
    support for that contention. It seized the merchandise.
    The government made no attempt at the forfeiture evidentiary hearing to
    trace the Rewards to cash. It did not attempt to prove the market value of
    the Rewards. It simply declared it was entitled to forfeiture of money
    equivalent to whatever the Rewards certificates indicated they were worth
    in discounts on OfficeMax merchandise. Section 981(a)(1)(C) does not
    contemplate such an outcome. This Court must vacate the money judgment
    forfeiture and remand for further proceedings.
    Case No. 16-2285, Aplt. Br. at 36-37.
    And Matthew Channon similarly argued:
    The $105,191 money judgment forfeiture against the Channons is based on
    a disregard of the language of 18 U.S.C. § 981(a)(1)(C). The forfeiture is in
    the amount of the face value of the redeemed MaxPerks rewards. But that’s
    not how § 981(a)(1)(C) works. It does not say “[a]ny property” is subject to
    forfeiture, as the government would have it. What property may be forfeited
    under § 981(a)(1)(C) is “[a]ny property . . . which constitutes or is derived
    from proceeds traceable to” the offense.
    Money judgments may be appropriate when money is what the offender
    acquires as a result of the offense. The Channons were convicted of
    acquiring rewards, not money. The rewards can only be used to buy
    OfficeMax merchandise. The government alleged in the indictment the
    Channons conspired to obtain merchandise and it set out to prove at trial
    the Channons exchanged rewards for merchandise. It presented evidence of
    OfficeMax merchandise in the Channons’ home as support for that
    contention. It seized that merchandise.
    The government made no attempt at the forfeiture evidentiary hearing to
    trace the rewards to cash.
    3
    Case No. 16-2254, Aplt. Br. at 42-43.
    The government argued, in response:
    The Channons received valuable merchandise from OfficeMax as the
    proceeds of their fraud. Those proceeds were dissipated, hidden, or
    otherwise untraceable, making a money judgment the only means of taking
    title of the Channons’ unlawful gains. The district court did not err in
    awarding the United States a money judgment in the amount of their fraud
    proceeds.
    Case No. 16-2254, Aple Br. at 53. The government also filed a Rule 28(j) letter stating,
    in pertinent part:
    Going forward, including in the Channons’ case, the government w[ould]
    . . . seek to enforce a forfeiture money judgment only through the
    substitute-asset provision of § 853(p). In other words, in seeking to forfeit
    specific property of the Channons to satisfy the money judgment, the
    government will move to amend the forfeiture order under Federal Rule of
    Criminal Procedure 32.2(e) and will establish under § 853(p) that the
    proceeds are unavailable or are substantially diminished in value.
    Aple. Rule 28(j) Letter at 1.
    The original panel had this to say about the parties’ arguments, under the general
    heading description “Forfeiture”:
    Defendants last argue that the government failed to meet its burden to prove
    the amount forfeited ($105,191) was traceable to the offense of wire fraud.
    We have held that wire fraud proceeds are subject to forfeiture under 18
    U.S.C. § 981(a)(1)(C) and 28 U.S.C. § 2461. See United States v.
    Courtney, 
    816 F.3d 681
    , 685 (10th Cir. 2016). The property subject to
    forfeiture includes “[a]ny property, real, or personal, which constitutes or is
    derived from proceeds traceable to [the] violation.” 18 U.S.C.
    § 981(a)(1)(C). The substitute-asset provision, 21 U.S.C. § 853(p),
    provides the only method for the forfeiture of untainted property.
    Honeycutt v. United States, ––– U.S. ––––, 
    137 S. Ct. 1626
    , 1633, 198 L.
    Ed. 2d 73 (2017).
    4
    The government concedes a remand to conform the money judgment to the
    requirements of § 853(p) may be necessary. The government explains that
    going forward it will seek only to enforce a forfeiture money judgment
    through the substitute-asset provisions of § 853(p) and will seek to amend
    the forfeiture order under Fed. R. Crim. P. 32.2(e). Accordingly, we
    remand so the district court may conduct further proceedings on this issue.
    Channon 
    I, 881 F.3d at 811
    –12 (emphasis added).
    There has been confusion on the part of the parties, and I would submit the district
    court as well, regarding the meaning of the concluding phrase “this issue.” The
    Channons have consistently interpreted the phrase “this issue” as referring to their
    general challenge to the district court’s original judgment of forfeiture as identified in the
    original panel’s ruling just quoted: “Defendants last argue that the government failed to
    meet its burden to prove the amount forfeited ($105,191) was traceable to the offense of
    wire fraud.” The government, in contrast, has interpreted it as referring only to the
    government’s concession that a remand was necessary to conform the judgment to the
    requirements of § 853(p).
    In deciding between these two competing interpretations, it is important to note
    that the panel in Channon I acknowledged, but did not expressly address, defendants’
    argument “that the government failed to meet its burden to prove the amount forfeited
    ($105,191) was traceable to the offense of wire fraud.”
    Id. at
    811. Likewise, the panel
    acknowledged, but again did not expressly address, the government’s concession that “a
    remand to conform the money judgment to the requirements of § 853(p) may be
    necessary.”
    Id. at
    811-12. 
    In addition, the panel discussed both defendants’ arguments
    5
    and the government’s concession under the general heading of “Forfeiture.”
    Id. at
    811.
    Therefore, the better interpretation of the prior mandate is that it was intended to
    encompass both the issue raised by defendants, i.e., the general challenge to the judgment
    of forfeiture, and the § 853(p) issue raised by the government in its concession. To
    conclude that the remand was limited only to the § 853(p) issue raised by the government
    would mean that we would have to interpret the decision in Channon I as having
    implicitly rejected the Channons’ general challenge to the original judgment of forfeiture
    order. Nothing in Channon I, however, suggests that this was the prior panel’s intent.
    Unfortunately, the majority opinion fails to acknowledge the full scope of the
    arguments asserted by the Channons in their original appeals, and all but ignores the
    parties’ competing interpretations of the original panel’s mandate. Further, the majority
    opinion treats the phrase “this issue” in Channon I as referring solely to the § 853(p)
    issue raised by the government. Maj. Op. at 8 (“The prior panel remanded based on the
    government’s concession that the language of the judgment needed to reference
    § 853(p)’s requirements—no more explanation, no less.”). For the reasons outlined
    above, I think that this is both incomplete and incorrect.
    Because, in my view, the prior mandate encompassed both the general arguments
    raised by the Channons and the § 853(p) issue raised by the government, I believe that
    the district court was required to do more on remand than simply issue an amended
    judgment of forfeiture. See generally Harte v. Bd. of Comm’rs, 
    940 F.3d 498
    , 510 (10th
    Cir. 2019) (holding that “a district court must comply strictly” with the mandate). More
    6
    to the point, I disagree with the majority opinion’s conclusion that “the [prior] mandate’s
    language did not require the district court to hold an evidentiary hearing on the forfeiture”
    issues raised by the defendants.1 Maj. Op. at 7.
    II
    Near the beginning of Section II, the majority opinion correctly summarizes the
    key arguments made by the Channons in the present appeals:
    Defendants further contend the district court failed to make specific
    findings as to what tainted assets each Defendant obtained as a result of
    their criminal activity, whether any need existed for substitution of
    untainted assets for the tainted assets, and whether the value of the
    substituted asset is equal to or less than the value of unavailable tainted
    assets.
    Id. at
    4-5. In other words, the Channons argue in their current appeals, as they did in
    their original appeals, that the government failed to meets its burden of proving the
    existence of any tainted property that they obtained from their crimes of conviction2 or,
    1
    Whether or not it was the responsibility of the district court to decipher the
    mandate by examining the parties’ arguments from the first appeal, it is most certainly
    our duty to do so.
    2
    Curiously, the majority asserts elsewhere in its opinion that defendant Matthew
    Channon waived his challenge to the money judgment of forfeiture that was entered by
    the district court. Maj. Op. at 22. This is incorrect. Both of the Channons have
    consistently argued, both in their first appeals and again in the current appeals, that the
    government failed to meet its burden of proof under 18 U.S.C. § 981(a)(1)(C) and that, as
    a result, it was error for the district court to enter the money judgment of forfeiture. For
    example, Matthew Channon’s opening brief in this case describes the “ISSUES
    PRESENTED” as follows:
    Whether pursuant to Honeycutt v. United States, 
    137 S. Ct. 1626
    (2017),
    before a court can issue a judgment to forfeit untainted money as substitute
    7
    alternatively, that such tainted property is unavailable for one or more of the reasons
    outlined in the substitute-asset provision, 21 U.S.C. § 853(p).
    Unfortunately, the majority opinion, after acknowledging these arguments, makes
    no further mention of them. Instead, much of the remainder of the majority opinion
    focuses on arguments that were actually never made by either defendant: that “because
    the district court based both the restitution and forfeiture amounts on OfficeMax’s loss,
    the forfeiture judgment constitutes a double recovery,” Maj. Op. at 11; that, with respect
    to fraudulently obtained merchandise that defendants subsequently sold, forfeiture is
    proper only if defendants made a profit above the value of the merchandise; and,
    ultimately, that defendants are challenging only the amount, rather than the fact, of the
    money judgment of forfeiture.
    III
    The most troubling aspect of the majority opinion is its “hold[ing] that a district
    court may base a judgment’s forfeiture amount on the value of the fraudulently obtained
    assets under 21 U.S.C. § 853(p) and Fed. R. Crim. P. 32.2(e), it must hold a
    hearing to determine whether the Government has met its burden to prove
    that (1) the defendant obtained certain tainted money or property traced to
    the underlying crime, (2) pursuant to one of the subsections A-E in section
    853(p) and due to the defendant’s actions or omissions, the identified
    tainted assets cannot be forfeited and need to be substituted with untainted
    assets in the defendant’s possession, and (3) the value of the untainted
    substituted assets is not higher than the initial tainted assets the defendant
    had obtained.
    Matthew Channon Br. at 3-4.
    8
    merchandise at the time a defendant acquired it.”
    Id. at
    2; 
    see
    id. at 13
    (“Put simply, the
    government is entitled to forfeiture in the amount of Defendants’ proceeds, and
    OfficeMax, the victim, was entitled to restitution in the amount of its loss.”). This
    holding, as I shall proceed to explain, is quite remarkable because it is contrary to, and
    effectively nullifies, the language of the forfeiture statutes relied on by the government in
    this case by enabling the government to obtain an in personam money judgment by
    proving only the amount of the victim’s loss.
    “Criminal forfeiture statutes empower the Government to confiscate property
    derived from or used to facilitate criminal activity. Such statutes serve important
    governmental interests such as ‘separating a criminal from his ill-gotten gains,’ ‘returning
    property, in full, to those wrongfully deprived or defrauded of it,’ and ‘lessen[ing] the
    economic power’ of criminal enterprises.” Honeycutt v. United States, 
    137 S. Ct. 1626
    ,
    1631 (2017) (quoting Caplin & Drysdale, Chartered v. United States, 
    491 U.S. 617
    , 629–
    630 (1989)).
    “If the government intends to pursue a forfeiture, Federal Rule of Criminal
    Procedure 32.2(a) requires that the indictment ‘contain[] notice to the defendant that the
    government will seek the forfeiture of property as part of any sentence in accordance with
    the applicable statute.’” United States v. Courtney, 
    816 F.3d 681
    , 684–85 (10th Cir.
    2016) (quoting Fed. R. Crim. P. 32.2(a)). In this case, the superseding indictment
    notified the Channons that the government would seek forfeiture pursuant to 18 U.S.C.
    § 981(a)(1)(C) and 28 U.S.C. § 2461.
    9
    “Section 981(a)(1)(C) allows for the forfeiture of any property or proceeds
    traceable to an offense constituting a ‘specified unlawful activity.’” 
    Courtney, 816 F.3d at 685
    . “Specified unlawful activity” is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 1956(c)(7) to include any
    offense listed in 18 U.S.C. § 1961(1). “Among the offenses listed [in] § 1961(1) is
    § 1343—the wire fraud statute” that the Channons were convicted of violating.
    Id. Because § 981(a)(1)(C)
    “is a civil forfeiture statute,” 28 U.S.C. § 2461, the other statute
    cited in the superseding indictment, “comes into play” and “is read as a gap-filler
    between civil and criminal forfeiture, in that it permits criminal forfeiture when no
    criminal forfeiture provision applies to the crime charged against a particular defendant
    but civil forfeiture for that charged crime is nonetheless authorized.”3
    Id. (quotations omitted). 3
            Section 2461(c) states:
    If a person is charged in a criminal case with a violation of an Act of
    Congress for which the civil or criminal forfeiture of property is authorized,
    the Government may include notice of the forfeiture in the indictment or
    information pursuant to the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. If the
    defendant is convicted of the offense giving rise to the forfeiture, the court
    shall order the forfeiture of the property as part of the sentence in the
    criminal case pursuant to the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure and
    section 3554 of title 18, United States Code. The procedures in section 413
    of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. § 853) apply to all stages of a
    criminal forfeiture proceeding, except that subsection (d) of such section
    applies only in cases in which the defendant is convicted of a violation of
    such Act.
    28 U.S.C. § 2461(c).
    10
    The term “proceeds,” as employed in § 981(a)(1)(C), carries slightly different
    definitions depending upon the specific criminal activity at issue. “In cases,” such as the
    one at hand, “involving illegal goods, illegal services, [and] unlawful services, . . . the
    term ‘proceeds’ means property of any kind obtained directly or indirectly, as the result
    of the commission of the offense giving rise to forfeiture, and any property traceable
    thereto, and is not limited to the net gain or profit realized from the offense.”4 18 U.S.C.
    § 981(a)(2)(A).
    As the original panel noted in Channon I, “[t]he substitute-asset provision, 21
    U.S.C. § 853(p), provides the only method for the forfeiture of untainted property.”
    Channon 
    I, 881 F.3d at 811
    . Section 853(p) states as follows:
    (p) Forfeiture of substitute property
    (1) In general
    Paragraph (2) of this subsection shall apply, if any property described in
    subsection (a), as a result of any act or omission of the defendant--
    (A) cannot be located upon the exercise of due diligence;
    (B) has been transferred or sold to, or deposited with, a third party;
    4
    Section 981(a)(2)(A) also lists “telemarketing and health care fraud schemes.”
    The First Circuit has concluded that listing these two specific fraud schemes in
    subsection (a)(2)(A) would have been unnecessary if Congress had intended for the
    generic term “unlawful activities” to be broadly interpreted to include fraud schemes.
    United States v. Carpenter, 
    941 F.3d 1
    , 7 (1st Cir. 2019). The problem here, however, is
    that the other two definitions of “proceeds” outlined in §§ 981(a)(2)(B) and (C) do not
    apply. Subsection (B)’s definition applies to “cases involving lawful goods or lawful
    services that are sold or provided in an illegal manner.” Subsection (C)’s definition
    applies to “cases involving fraud in the process of obtaining a loan or extension of
    credit.”
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    (C) has been placed beyond the jurisdiction of the court;
    (D) has been substantially diminished in value; or
    (E) has been commingled with other property which cannot be divided
    without difficulty.
    (2) Substitute property
    In any case described in any of subparagraphs (A) through (E) of
    paragraph (1), the court shall order the forfeiture of any other
    property of the defendant, up to the value of any property described
    in subparagraphs (A) through (E) of paragraph (1), as applicable.
    (3) Return of property to jurisdiction
    In the case of property described in paragraph (1)(C), the court may, in
    addition to any other action authorized by this subsection, order the
    defendant to return the property to the jurisdiction of the court so that the
    property may be seized and forfeited.
    28 U.S.C. § 853(p).5
    In Honeycutt, the Supreme Court held that “[s]ection 853(p) demonstrates that
    Congress contemplated situations where the tainted property itself would fall outside the
    Government’s reach” and, “[t]o remedy that situation, Congress did not authorize the
    Government to confiscate property from other defendants or co-conspirators; it
    authorized the Government to confiscate assets only from the defendant who initially
    acquired the property and who bears responsibility for its 
    dissipation.” 137 S. Ct. at 1634
    .
    5
    Section 2461(c) expressly states that “[t]he procedures in section” 853 “apply to
    all stages of a criminal forfeiture proceeding.” 28 U.S.C. § 2461(c). Thus, § 853(p)
    applies in instances where the government seeks forfeiture of so-called “substitute
    property,” i.e., property that is untainted by the crimes of conviction.
    12
    The question is how these forfeiture statutes apply in the case before us. Notably,
    the presentence investigation reports (PSRs) that were prepared and filed in these cases
    provide us with some details about how the Channons committed their crimes:
    This case arose from a fraud scheme perpetrated on the former office-
    supply retail chain OfficeMax by Albuquerque residents Matthew and
    Brandi Channon. The scheme had two basic components, both of which
    depended on the Channons creating and controlling thousands of customer-
    reward accounts in fictitious names. First, the Channons used their
    accounts and a computer program to claim reward credit for purchases
    made by other customers. Second, the Channons used their many accounts
    to evade OfficeMax’s restrictions on participation in a program in which
    OfficeMax would award store credit to customers who recycled used ink
    and toner cartridges at its stores. The Channons then used the store credit
    they amassed through the scheme to purchase prepaid debit cards at
    OfficeMax, which they could use like cash; they also used their rewards to
    purchase items at OfficeMax that Matthew Channon would then resell on
    eBay. To avoid detection, the Channons traveled across the country to
    execute their scheme, personally visiting over 300 different OfficeMax
    stores in 20 states.
    ***
    The investigation also discovered that Matthew Channon was using
    multiple eBay accounts in execution of the fraud. These accounts sold
    merchandise obtained with MaxPerks rewards—and in some cases, sold
    fraudulently obtained MaxPerks Rewards certificates themselves. These
    accounts also purchased at least 32,000 used ink cartridges through eBay at
    an average cost of 32 cents per cartridge. In addition, Matthew Channon’s
    eBay accounts purchased OfficeMax coupons, which the Channons often
    used in connection with the reward certificates to purchase items at
    OfficeMax at a discount.
    ***
    Brandi Channon was interviewed during the search of the Channons’
    residence in Albuquerque on June 28, 2011. * * * She described how she
    and Matthew would travel around the country to execute the scheme,
    including ordering ink online and having it shipped ahead of time to the
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    hotel they planned to stay at. To pay for airfare they would purchase
    Southwest Airlines gift cards at OfficeMax using MaxPerks Rewards.
    ROA, Vol. 3 (Brandi Channon PSR) at 3–8.
    Applying § 981(a)(1)(C) to this set of facts, it appears that the “proceeds traceable
    to” the Channons’ offenses of conviction are varied and include, among other things,
    (a) unredeemed MaxPerks Rewards dollars, (b) prepaid debit cards, (c) goods obtained
    through the Channons’ use of the prepaid debit cards, and (d) merchandise from
    OfficeMax (including gift cards).6 Thus, if the Channons were, at the time of arrest, still
    in possession of merchandise and/or prepaid debit cards that they obtained from
    OfficeMax, then those items of tainted personal property are subject to forfeiture under
    the statute.7 Only if the government proves the existence of one or more of the
    circumstances described in § 853(p)(1) can it seek the forfeiture of untainted property.
    6
    If the government can prove that some of these items were sold by the Channons,
    then the government could obtain a money judgment of forfeiture equal to the sale
    proceeds. See United States v. Gregoire, 
    638 F.3d 962
    , 972 (8th Cir. 2011) (holding that,
    for purposes of criminal forfeiture, “[t]he gross revenues from Gregoire’s eBay sales [of
    stolen property] during the period alleged in the indictment were direct proceeds of his
    mail fraud offense of conviction”).
    7
    Notably, government counsel conceded at oral argument in the first appeals that
    items of merchandise were seized from the Channons’ home during the execution of a
    search warrant. But government counsel offered no explanation as to why it did not seek
    the forfeiture of these items under § 981(a)(1)(C), or why its failure to do so did not
    preclude it from seeking the forfeiture of untainted property. And, curiously, the majority
    “agree[s] . . . that if Defendants are still in possession of the tainted merchandise, then
    those items are subject to forfeiture under the applicable statutes.” Maj. Op. at 19. The
    majority, however, offers no explanation regarding precisely how, under the statutory
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    Unfortunately, the majority opinion ignores these controlling statutory provisions
    and the relevant facts of the Channons’ crimes, and instead “hold[s] that a district court
    may base a judgment’s forfeiture amount on the value of the fraudulently obtained
    merchandise at the time a defendant acquired it.” Maj. Op. at 2; see
    id. at 14
    (“[B]ecause
    Defendants did not resell the merchandise or sell it for a profit above the value of the
    merchandise, we base Defendants’ gain on the value of the merchandise at the time they
    obtained it.”).8 As authority for this holding, the majority opinion cites only to two of our
    prior cases: United States v. Arnold, 
    878 F.3d 940
    (10th Cir. 2017), and United States v.
    McGinty, 
    610 F.3d 1242
    (10th Cir. 2010). Maj. Op. at 8-9, 11. Arnold and McGinty are
    distinguishable, however, because the crimes of conviction in both cases resulted in
    money 
    proceeds. 878 F.3d at 941
    (noting that the defendant “devised a scheme to
    framework, this merchandise should now be forfeited and, if so, how it would impact the
    money judgment issued by the district court.
    Somewhat relatedly, the majority opinion also discusses a hypothetical scenario in
    which a thief steals and then keeps a $50,000 piano.
    Id. at
    13. According to the majority,
    the thief realized a gain of $50,000 at the time of the wrongdoing and thus is subject to a
    money judgment of forfeiture in that amount.
    Id. This is incorrect.
    Under the statutory
    framework outlined above, the piano would be subject to seizure and no money judgment
    of forfeiture would be available (unless, of course, the government could prove the
    existence of one or more of the circumstances described in § 853(p)(1)).
    8
    The majority also, again contrary to the language of the statutory framework that
    is applicable here, appears to place the burden on criminal defendants to prove what
    happened to merchandise obtained from their crimes. See United States v. Ursery, 
    518 U.S. 267
    , 289 (1996) (holding that 19 U.S.C. § 1615 “governs the burden of proof in
    forfeiture proceedings under §§ 881 and 981”); 19 U.S.C. § 1615 (providing that the
    burden of proof lies on the claimant).
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    defraud individuals out of the rebates paid to them when they purchased new 
    vehicles”); 610 F.3d at 1245
    (“The government contends that it is entitled to the forfeiture of the
    proceeds of McGinty’s misapplication of bank funds, and the district court erred in
    refusing to order a money judgment representing those proceeds. We agree.”). Money
    judgments in those cases were therefore consistent with the language of the forfeiture
    statute. Nothing in either Arnold or McGinty can reasonably be read as suggesting that it
    is proper for a district court to impose an in personam money judgment of forfeiture
    against a defendant who obtains merchandise, rather than money proceeds, as a result of
    his crime.
    In sum, the majority opinion’s extension of Arnold and McGinty to the cases at
    hand is clearly contrary to, and effectively serves to nullify, the plain language of the
    forfeiture statutes relied on by the government in these cases. Had Congress intended to
    authorize the government in any case to obtain an in personam money judgment of
    forfeiture equivalent to the retail value of any tainted merchandise obtained by a
    defendant, it would have said so. But it did not.
    For these reasons, I would remand the case to the district court with directions to
    conduct an evidentiary hearing on the forfeiture issues raised by the defendants. At that
    time, the government would be required to establish the existence of tainted property
    and/or the existence of one or more of the circumstances outlined in § 853(p)(1). In the
    absence of such proof, no judgment of forfeiture can properly be entered against the
    Channons.
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    IV
    Lastly, I disagree with the majority opinion’s conclusion that the Channons’
    challenge to the joint and several nature of the district court’s amended judgment of
    forfeiture is subject to review only for plain error. Maj. Op. at 16. As outlined above, the
    Channons believed, reasonably in my view, that the prior mandate required the district
    court to do more than simply issue an amended judgment. Thus, on remand, the
    Channons moved for an “evidentiary hearing on the matter of the propriety and amount,
    if any, of forfeiture of money or property.” ECF No. 486 at 1. The district court,
    however, never ruled on that motion and instead simply issued the amended judgment of
    forfeiture. Thus, there was never truly an opportunity for the Channons to raise the joint
    and several issue prior to the district court’s issuance of its amended judgment of
    forfeiture.
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