United States v. Frost ( 2012 )


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  •                                                                      FILED
    United States Court of Appeals
    Tenth Circuit
    July 10, 2012
    PUBLISH                  Elisabeth A. Shumaker
    Clerk of Court
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    TENTH CIRCUIT
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    v.                                              No. 11-1122
    ADAM FROST,
    Defendant-Appellant.
    APPEAL FROM THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
    FOR THE COLORADO
    (D.C. NO. 1:10-CR-00056-JAP)
    O. Dean Sanderford, Research and Writing Specialist (Raymond P. Moore,
    Federal Public Defender, and Jill M. Wichlens, Assistant Federal Public Defender
    and Chief, Appellate Division, with him on the briefs) Office of the Federal
    Public Defender, Denver, Colorado, for Appellant.
    Joshua S. Johnson, Office of the United States Attorney General, United States
    Department of Justice, Washington, District of Columbia (John F. Walsh, United
    States Attorney, District of Colorado, and Todd Parker Norvell, Assistant United
    States Attorney, District of Colorado, Denver, Colorado, and Lanny A. Breuer,
    Assistant Attorney General, Greg D. Andres, Acting Deputy Assistant Attorney
    General, and Daniel S. Goodman, Criminal Division, Appellate Section, United
    States Department of Justice, Washington, District of Columbia, with him on the
    brief) for Appellee.
    Before MURPHY, HARTZ, and TYMKOVICH, Circuit Judges.
    TYMKOVICH, Circuit Judge.
    Adam Frost was tried and convicted for the rape of a 17-year-old girl, and
    was sentenced to 200 months’ imprisonment. In this appeal, Frost challenges his
    conviction on the grounds that the trial court plainly erred in admitting the
    hearsay testimony of several witnesses, including the victim’s sister, a nurse, and
    law enforcement officers. Frost also challenges his sentence, arguing that the
    district court violated his due process rights by not allowing him to make a
    statement at sentencing until after the court had already decided his sentence.
    We find the district court did not plainly err in admitting the challenged
    testimony. Although some of the challenged testimony was admitted in error,
    none was so obvious or prejudicial as to warrant reversal under the plain-error
    standard. We also find the district court’s alleged error at sentencing did not
    seriously impair the fairness of the proceedings.
    Accordingly, we AFFIRM the judgment of the district court.
    I. Evidentiary Challenges
    A. Background
    1. Undisputed Facts
    In November 2009, defendant Adam Frost, a 28-year-old, and the 17-year
    old victim, A.W., both lived near Ignacio, Colorado. A.W. lived with her mother
    and stepfather. Frost lived with his mother, Bernice Harris. A.W. was friends
    with 12-year-old K.A., a girl related to Frost.
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    On the evening of November 27, 2009, A.W. and K.A. met at a casino on
    the Southern Ute Indian Reservation. Their plan was to meet up with Frost so
    that he could purchase alcohol for them. They met up with Frost at his residence,
    walked to the Thriftway, a nearby convenience store, to buy alcohol, and returned
    to Frost’s room, where they drank and watched television. At some point, K.A.
    left the room and Frost had sex with A.W. Soon thereafter, A.W. left the house,
    used her cellphone to call her sister, and told her she had been raped. Her sister
    met her back at the Thriftway and took her home.
    When A.W. got home, she repeated her account of the rape to her parents,
    who called the police. When the police arrived, she again repeated her story.
    Then she went to the hospital, received a rape-kit examination, and repeated her
    story a fourth time to the examining nurse. Finally, she was interviewed by an
    FBI agent.
    2. Frost’s Theory of the Case
    Frost did not testify at trial. But Frost’s counsel admitted in her opening
    statement that Frost had a sexual encounter with A.W., and claimed it was
    consensual. Counsel stated that soon after the sexual encounter, Harris
    discovered A.W. in Frost’s room, became angry, and kicked her out. Counsel
    intimated that A.W. fabricated the rape allegation as a way to explain to her
    parents why she was out on the street at 3:00 AM near Frost’s house.
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    3. A.W.’s Testimony
    a. Direct Examination
    On direct examination, A.W. testified she had known K.A. “[a]bout a
    couple of days” prior to her encounter with Frost. R., Vol. 3, at 120. A.W. met
    K.A. on the evening of November 27 with the intention of drinking alcohol. The
    two girls met Frost at his residence and went to the Thriftway, where Frost
    purchased alcohol. They returned to Frost’s residence; Frost entered through the
    front door and, because Harris was home, he let A.W. and K.A. in through his
    bedroom window. A.W. and K.A. sat on Frost’s bed and drank while Frost played
    video games. Later, Frost put on a pornographic DVD at K.A.’s request.
    At some point, K.A. left the room to go to the bathroom. While she was
    gone, Frost placed his hand in A.W.’s hand. When K.A. returned, A.W. told her
    she needed to use the bathroom herself. K.A. had to help her to the bathroom
    because she was too drunk to get up by herself. In the bathroom, A.W. told K.A.
    she should not have left her alone with Frost and that she wanted to leave. The
    two returned to Frost’s room. K.A. and Frost whispered to each other, sometimes
    looking at A.W.
    Later, Harris, Frost’s mother, entered the room. She saw K.A. and ordered
    her to leave the room. Frost and K.A. had hidden A.W. under a blanket on
    Frost’s bed and told her to be quiet; apparently Harris did not see her.
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    After Harris left, Frost climbed into the bed with A.W. He touched her
    breasts under her shirt, removed her pants and underwear, and touched her vagina.
    A.W. told him to stop and unsuccessfully tried to push him away. Frost removed
    his shorts and penetrated A.W.’s vagina with his penis for two or three minutes.
    Frost then penetrated A.W.’s anus for about four minutes, which caused A.W. to
    cry out.
    At that point, Frost stopped, A.W. put her pants back on, and Harris re-
    entered Frost’s room and told A.W. to get out of the house. A.W. put on her
    shoes and jacket, and Harris showed her out the front door.
    As soon as she left the house, at approximately 3:00 AM, A.W. used her
    cellphone to call her sister, Bridget W., and told her Frost had raped her. Bridget
    then met A.W. back at the Thriftway. Bridget brought A.W. home, where she told
    her mother and stepfather she had been raped. Her parents called the police.
    Officers Monica Medina and Jacob Steinhage arrived and questioned A.W.
    about the incident. A.W. was then driven to a nearby hospital, where she was
    interviewed and examined by Lynne Murison, a nurse practitioner and certified
    rape examiner. Finally, A.W. was interviewed at the hospital by John Wallace, an
    FBI agent.
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    b. Cross Examination
    Defense counsel’s cross examination of A.W. covered much of the same
    ground as the government’s direct examination. Three portions of the cross
    examination are particularly relevant here. First, counsel questioned A.W.
    regarding how long she had known K.A. On direct, A.W. had said she had only
    known K.A. for a couple of days; on cross, however, she changed her answer to
    “[a]bout a couple of weeks.” R., Vol. 3, at 159.
    Second, counsel questioned A.W. about her statements to Agent Wallace
    regarding how she and K.A. had entered Frost’s residence:
    Q. Did you tell Agent Wallace that after the three of you left
    Thriftway and went back to Adam’s house that all three of you snuck
    through the bedroom window?
    A. No.
    Q. And if he said that, that would be incorrect?
    A. Yes.
    Id. at 212.
    Third, counsel pressed A.W. for more details regarding the point in her
    story when Harris entered Frost’s room and ordered K.A. to leave. A.W.
    reiterated that she had laid down on the bed and that Frost and K.A. covered her
    with a blanket and told her to be quiet. A.W. explained that although she was
    uncomfortable, she did not make any noise to notify Harris of her presence.
    Counsel again asked A.W. about her statements to Wallace:
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    Q. Did you also say to Agent Wallace that Ms. Harris looked at you
    and told you you would be okay in the bedroom?
    A. No.
    Q. And if he says that you said that, that would be incorrect?
    A. Yes.
    Id.
    4. Alleged Hearsay Testimony
    After A.W. testified, the government put on several witnesses with whom
    A.W. had spoken in the hours following her encounter with Frost: Bridget W.,
    Medina, Steinhage, Murison, and Wallace. These witnesses repeated what A.W.
    told them about the rape.
    Frost did not object to these statements as hearsay.
    a. Bridget W.’s Testimony
    A.W.’s older sister Bridget W. testified about the phone call she received
    from A.W. at approximately 3:00 AM on November 28, shortly after A.W. left
    Frost’s residence. According to Bridget, A.W. “was crying, and she sounded
    really scared.” R., Vol. 3, at 233. A.W. told Bridget she had been raped by
    K.A.’s relative. Id. at 234. Bridget asked her if she was referring to “Eli,” a
    different relative of K.A.’s, and A.W. corrected her: “No, it was Adam.” Id. at
    244. Bridget told A.W. to meet her at the Thriftway, down the hill from Frost’s
    residence. Id. at 234.
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    Bridget got a friend to drive her to the Thriftway, where she met A.W. Id.
    at 235. A.W. had “[t]ears coming down her face,” and was “shaking.” Id. From
    there, Bridget and A.W. traveled to A.W.’s home, where she lived with their
    mother and stepfather. Id. at 236. Bridget woke her mother and stepfather and
    told them A.W. had been raped. Id. Their mother called the police, and two
    police officers soon arrived. Id. at 237. A.W.’s father also arrived. Id. at 238.
    Bridget sat on a recliner in the living room, holding A.W. and “just crying
    together.” Id.
    The police officers “start[ed] asking [A.W.] what happened.” Id. A.W.
    identified Adam Frost as her assailant. Id. at 239. A.W. “tells them a little bit,
    but she doesn’t really tell everything until we get to the hospital.” Id.
    Bridget traveled with A.W. to the hospital. Id. A.W. did not seem fearful
    or apprehensive during the ride over. Id. at 240. At the hospital, A.W. asked
    Bridget to accompany her during her medical examination; “she seemed really
    scared and nervous.” Id. at 241. During the exam, “she was shaking” and looked
    uncomfortable. Id.
    b. Officer Medina’s and Officer Steinhage’s Testimony
    Monica Medina and Jacob Steinhage were the Southern Ute Police
    Department officers who responded to the call made by A.W.’s mother, “a little
    after 3:00 AM on November 28th.” Id. at 255–56. When they arrived at A.W.’s
    home, Officer Steinhage introduced himself to A.W. and started asking questions.
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    Id. According to Medina, A.W. “was very emotional, had a hard time talking,”
    id., and was “distraught” and “crying,” id. at 257.
    Medina testified that A.W. described some of what had happened to her.
    A.W. explained that she was friends with K.A. and had been planning to sleep
    over at Harris’s home that night. Id. She said Adam Frost, “a cousin or uncle” of
    K.A., was there; that he had provided A.W. and K.A. with alcohol; and that she
    had consumed some alcohol. Id. at 257–58. A.W. told Medina that at some point
    K.A. left the room, after which
    Adam had taken off his shorts, had pushed her down on the bed and
    pulled her pants off, and she attempted to kick or push him away but
    was unable to. She further stated that he had forced himself on her,
    and that he had penetrated her vagina with his penis.
    Id. at 258. As she described these events, A.W. “became very, very emotional
    and cried even more.” Id. at 258–59. A.W. also told Medina that she told Frost
    to stop, but “he was not listening.” Id. at 259. Medina asked A.W. whether Frost
    had ejaculated, and A.W. said she did not think he had. Id.
    Medina then asked A.W. how she left Frost’s residence. A.W. responded
    “that [K.A.’s] grandma had came in and kicked her out, had told her to leave,
    which she was fine with leaving.” Id. at 260. A.W. said she walked down to the
    Thriftway and called her sister on her cellphone. Id.
    After A.W. described what had happened, Medina “asked her if she would
    be willing to get an examination done at the hospital . . . and she said she was
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    willing to do that.” Id. at 261. A.W. elected to go to the hospital with her family,
    where she arrived at about 4:30 AM. Id. at 263.
    Officer Jacob Steinhage, also testified. He recounted what A.W. told him
    about her encounter with Frost:
    She spoke to us and said that she had gone up to a residence on
    Sunset Circle of another location within the exterior boundary of the
    reservation with a friend of hers named [K.A.]. They had gone up to
    spend the night at [K.A.’s] grandmother’s house, at that residence,
    and they had been there along with [K.A.’s] uncle, Adam Frost. She
    basically said that — and throughout her questioning, determined
    that she had been up there, and at one point or another, she had been
    left alone with Adam, and he had sexually assaulted her.
    ...
    She indicated that she told him to stop and tried to push him away, as
    well as tried to close her legs, essentially, and she was trying to kick
    him off but was unable to get her legs in a position to be able to do
    so.
    Id. at 358–59.
    c. Lynne Murison’s Testimony
    Lynne Murison is the nurse practitioner who conducted A.W.’s examination
    at the hospital. Murison testified that she began A.W.’s exam around 4:00 AM
    and ended it at 9:20 AM. As was her typical practice, Murison first conducted a
    patient history about the incident and then conducted a physical examination.
    One of the purposes of a patient history is to determine the appropriate course of
    treatment. See id. at 281 (“[D]epending on the history, I will give medications.”);
    id. at 306 (“There are some medications we don’t give if alcohol is on board.”).
    Murison testified that A.W. told her, as part of the history,
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    [T]hat she and a friend had gone over to the casino. They wanted to
    drink, so they found someone to buy drinks for them. That they
    walked back to her friend’s house, got some scratches along the way,
    and then they were in Adam’s room. And apparently, this young
    woman’s grandmother came in and saw the friend, told her to leave.
    The friend left, but in the process, they were hiding [A.W.], and she
    was sort of hidden on the bed.
    She said she was very drunk. And this man that she called
    Adam began to approach her and asked her questions like whether
    she had ever had sex before. She told him no. Began to touch her
    breasts, as I recall, and she told him to stop and tried to push him
    away.
    Id. at 283. After refreshing her recollection, Murison continued:
    [A.W. said] “he was taking my pants off, and I tried to stop
    him, but I couldn’t.”
    “Then he said, ‘I want to taste you down there.’ She said, ‘I
    was making loud noises.’”
    Then he entered her, which I often will ask, did he put his
    penis inside your vagina. She clarified that as yes. She said, “That
    really hurt and I got louder.”
    Then he withdrew the penis from the vagina, put his fingers
    inside. When he finished that, he retried, reentered the vagina. She
    said, “I got really loud.”
    He entered her rectum, went past the anus, which inside is
    called the rectum, and she said, “That really hurt and I got even
    louder.” And then he passed out.
    Id. at 284. When the government asked her to clarify the extent to which A.W.
    resisted Frost, Murison said that “she was trying to push him away as well as
    telling him no, and when he was inside her or trying to get inside the rectum, that
    she also was trying to push him off and was unable to.” Id. at 284–85.
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    As Murison began the physical exam, “[A.W.] just broke down in tears and
    said, ‘I can’t do this by myself. I need my sister.’” Id. at 292. At that point
    Murison brought Bridget into the examination room. Murison testified that A.W.
    was “very tearful” during the exam, and that they took two or three breaks to
    allow A.W. to regain her composure. Id. Murison then described the results of
    the physical examination, which revealed several small injuries to A.W.’s vaginal
    and anal area.
    On redirect examination, the government asked Murison, “When you’re
    taking the patient’s history, is it fair to say that you’re doing that primarily for the
    purposes of medical diagnosis and treatment?” Id. at 305. Murison answered,
    “Yes.” Id. at 306. When asked whether any law enforcement purpose of the
    exam was secondary, Murison responded, “Our role at that time is not as law
    enforcement. We’re there to get a history, gather evidence, come to a
    conclusion.” Id. She testified that knowing the patient’s history helps her to
    decide what medications to prescribe.
    d. Agent Wallace’s Testimony
    At about 6:00 AM, while still in the hospital, A.W. was interviewed by FBI
    Agent John Wallace. Most of Wallace’s questions covered the same ground
    previously covered by Medina, Steinhage, and Murison. Wallace’s questioning
    was detailed and specific, not open-ended; A.W. was “pretty literal” and Wallace
    “had to ask each question.” R., Vol. 3, at 432. Most of the account A.W. gave
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    Wallace matched very closely with the accounts she gave Medina, Steinhage, and
    Murison.
    One question Wallace asked was how long A.W. had known K.A. A.W.
    told him she had known K.A. “for about a year.” Id. at 425. This statement
    contradicted A.W.’s testimony on direct examination that she had known K.A.
    only for a few days, and on cross that she had known her for a few weeks.
    Another question was, “How did you get back in the house?” Id. at 430.
    A.W. “Basically said, ‘We snuck in through the window.’” Id. Wallace
    “assumed” this meant A.W., K.A., and Frost all entered through the window,
    contrary to A.W.’s testimony that Frost had entered through the front door and
    opened the window for A.W. and K.A.
    On cross-examination, Frost’s counsel questioned Wallace about portions
    of his testimony that supposedly differed from his official report. In particular,
    she identified a discrepancy regarding the moment when Harris removed K.A.
    from Frost’s room. Wallace had testified that Frost and K.A. had covered A.W.
    with a blanket when Harris came in, and that K.A. told A.W. she would be
    “alright.” Id. at 435. Wallace’s report, however, made it seem as if it was Harris,
    not K.A. that told A.W. she would be alright; the report stated, “Ms. Harris came
    into the room, took [K.A.] out, and told [A.W. she] would be okay.” Id. at 473.
    Wallace stood by his testimony and explained the discrepancy as inartful note-
    taking.
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    5. Defense Counsel’s Closing Argument
    In her closing argument, defense counsel highlighted several
    inconsistencies between A.W.’s testimony and other witnesses’ testimony.
    Counsel pointed out that A.W. had given conflicting accounts regarding how long
    she had known K.A.: “there is a big difference between knowing somebody for a
    couple of days, which . . . is what she first said on direct, to knowing somebody a
    couple of weeks, which is what she said on cross, and knowing somebody for a
    year, which is what she said to Agent Wallace.” Id. at 563. Counsel argued this
    discrepancy “goes to her credibility. Nobody confuses that amount of time if you
    know somebody for a year versus a few weeks versus a few days.” Id.
    Similarly, counsel identified inconsistencies regarding precisely what
    happened when Harris removed K.A. from Frost’s room:
    [A.W.] testified that Ms. Harris came into the room, took
    [K.A.] out, and they covered her up with blankets, and she stayed
    there. In another scenario, she told Agent Wallace Ms. Harris came
    into the room, took [K.A.] out, looked at her, and said, “You’ll be all
    right in here.” In some statements, she said, “I was intoxicated, I
    was drunk, I had to lay on the bed. When I had to go to the
    bathroom, [K.A.] had to help me.” When I asked her what she meant
    by help, did she have to hold you up, “No, I was able to walk on my
    own.” She told Ms. Murison . . . that they hid her under a blanket
    because she was too drunk to get up. When I asked [A.W.] from the
    stand did she say that to Ms. Murison, she said no, and if Ms.
    Murison said that, it would be incorrect.
    These inconsistencies have a bearing on, then, your evaluation
    of did she say no to Adam Frost, did she say don’t, did she say stop,
    did she try to push him away.
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    Id. at 564. Based on these and other alleged inconsistencies, counsel urged:
    “[A.W.] gave her testimony, gave several different statements at different times,
    and some of those statements just fly in the face of common sense and reason.”
    Id. at 566.
    Ultimately, the defense arguments were unsuccessful, and the jury
    convicted Frost.
    B. Discussion
    Frost claims the district court plainly erred in allowing five witnesses to
    testify about what they were told by A.W. despite defense counsel’s failure to
    object to the testimony. Frost contends the testimony of Bridget W., Medina,
    Murison, Steinhage, and Wallace regarding what A.W. told them in the hours
    following the alleged rape was hearsay, and therefore inadmissible under Federal
    Rule of Evidence 802.
    We conclude the district court did not plainly err in admitting any of this
    testimony. First, the admission of Bridget W.’s testimony was not error because
    of the excited utterance exception to the hearsay rule. See Fed. R. Evid. 803(2).
    Second, even if in error, the admission of the testimony of Officers Medina and
    Steinhage under the excited utterance exception was not plain error. Third, the
    admission of most of Murison’s testimony was not error due to the medical
    history exception to the hearsay rule, and her remaining testimony, though
    arguably inadmissable, did not affect Frost’s substantial rights. Fourth, even if
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    the admission of Agent Wallace’s testimony was error, the error did not affect the
    fairness of the proceedings because Frost invited the testimony and based his
    defense strategy around inconsistencies between Wallace’s testimony and A.W.’s
    testimony.
    1. Standard of Review: Plain Error
    Because Frost did not object to the admission of the challenged testimony
    at trial, we review the district court’s decision only for plain error. United States
    v. Hinson, 
    585 F.3d 1328
    , 1333 (10th Cir. 2009) (citing United States v. Olano,
    
    507 U.S. 725
    , 731 (1993); United States v. Schene, 
    543 F.3d 627
    , 640 (10th Cir.
    2008)). “Plain error occurs when there is (1) error, (2) that is plain, which (3)
    affects substantial rights, and which (4) seriously affects the fairness, integrity, or
    public reputation of judicial proceedings.” 
    Id.
     (quoting United States v. Alapizco-
    Valenzuela, 
    546 F.3d 1208
    , 1222 (10th Cir. 2008)). An error is “plain” if it is
    “clear or obvious at the time of the appeal.” United States v. Cordery, 
    656 F.3d 1103
    , 1106 (10th Cir. 2011) (quoting United States v. Gonzalez-Huerta, 
    403 F.3d 727
    , 732 (10th Cir. 2005)). “To satisfy the third prong of the plain error test,
    however, [Defendant] must demonstrate that the error affected his substantial
    rights, i.e., that the error disturbed ‘the outcome of the district court
    proceedings.’” United States v. Taylor, 
    413 F.3d 1146
    , 1154 (10th Cir. 2005)
    (quoting United States v. Cotton 
    535 U.S. 625
    , 632 (2002)). And to satisfy the
    fourth prong, the error must “implicate core notions of justice,” or “fundamental
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    fairness issues.” United States v. Sierra-Castillo, 
    405 F.3d 932
    , 941–42 (10th
    Cir. 2005).
    We note that the plain-error standard, while difficult to overcome, serves an
    important goal: to balance “our need to encourage all trial participants to seek a
    fair and accurate trial the first time around against our insistence that obvious
    injustice be promptly redressed.” United States v. Young, 
    470 U.S. 1
    , 15 (1985)
    (quoting United States v. Frady, 
    456 U.S. 152
    , 163 (1982)). As one of our
    circuits recently observed:
    The purpose of plain error review is to instill in litigators the
    importance of preparing adequately before appearing in the trial
    court and, as necessary, clarifying issues to that court. Timely,
    adequate objections allow the trial court to rule in the first instance
    and, if necessary, correct itself without spawning an appeal. This
    standard usually shields the district court from reversal because of
    error that was unwittingly committed, because not brought to its
    attention. The standard also shields this court from ruling on issues
    that have been insufficiently vetted below. Plain error review
    implicitly acknowledges that, in many cases, an appeal represents the
    triumph of hindsight, as a party attempts to shore up objections
    ineffectively lodged in the trial court, or not lodged at all, by
    adducing after-the-fact support for its position.
    United States v. Chavez-Hernandez, 
    671 F.3d 494
    , 497 (5th Cir. 2012). If not for
    the plain-error standard, parties might be tempted to deliberately avoid a timely
    objection in order to challenge an unnoticed error on appeal. Accordingly, we
    will find plain error only when “an error is ‘particularly egregious’ and the failure
    to remand for correction would produce a ‘miscarriage of justice.’” United States
    v. Trujillo-Terrazas, 
    405 F.3d 814
    , 820 (10th Cir. 2005).
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    We should also note that the failure to lodge routine evidentiary objections
    at trial presents particular challenges for appellate review. A timely objection
    permits the parties to bolster a necessary foundation or explain why none is
    necessary. And as most trial lawyers know, not every objectionable question is
    objected to. Trial strategy, witness sympathy, and other factors play into the
    decision to challenge particular lines of questioning. Parties may deliberately
    invite otherwise objectionable testimony to gain some advantage at trial; “[f]or
    example, a defendant may seek to present to the jury a confession by an alleged
    fellow culprit. There may be components of the confession that could be
    damaging to the defendant, but the defendant believes that the overall impact
    would be quite favorable.” 
    Id.
     Thus, to some extent the failure to object can be
    a strategic choice, and not fodder for reversal on plain error review. See, e.g.,
    United States v. Chavez, 
    229 F.3d 946
    , 952 (10th Cir. 2000); United States v.
    Baker, 
    432 F.3d 1189
    , 1215 (11th Cir. 2005); United States v. Davis, 
    443 F.2d 560
    , 564–65 (5th Cir. 1971) (“In the case before us there was no objection to the
    testimony of the witness [] on direct examination. On cross-examination counsel
    for the appellant elicited further information and stressed that which the
    Government had introduced. By so doing we are precluded from invoking the
    plain error rule and reversing because of the production of this evidence.”).
    With this background, we examine the testimony of each of the challenged
    witnesses.
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    2. Bridget W.’s Testimony
    A.W. made a number of statements to her sister, Bridget W., after the
    incident, hearsay statements that Bridget W. recounted at trial. The Federal Rules
    of Evidence allow the admission of hearsay testimony if the declarant’s statement
    is the result of a startling or stressful event:
    The following are not excluded by the rule against hearsay,
    regardless of whether the declarant is available as a witness:
    ...
    (2) Excited Utterance. A statement relating to a startling event or
    condition, made while the declarant was under the stress of
    excitement that it caused.
    Fed. R. Evid. 803(2).
    Rule 803’s advisory notes explain the rationale for this exception and offer
    some guidance regarding how we should apply it:
    The theory of Exception [paragraph] (2) is simply that circumstances
    may produce a condition of excitement which temporarily stills the
    capacity of reflection and produces utterances free of conscious
    fabrication. Spontaneity is the key factor
    ...
    With respect to the time element . . . the standard of measurement is
    the duration of the state of excitement. How long can excitement
    prevail? Obviously there are no pat answers and the character of the
    transaction or event will largely determine the significance of the
    time factor.
    ...
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    Permissible subject matter of the statement is [not] limited . . . to
    description or explanation of the event or condition . . . the statement
    need only relate to the startling event or condition, thus affording a
    broader scope of subject matter coverage.
    Fed. R. Evid. 803 Advisory Comm. Notes (citations and quotation marks
    excluded).
    Recently, in United States v. Smith, 
    606 F.3d 1270
     (10th Cir. 2010), we
    summarized our approach to Rule 803(2):
    The so-called excited-utterance exception has three requirements: (1)
    a startling event; (2) the statement was made while the declarant was
    under the stress of the event’s excitement; and (3) a nexus between
    the content of the statement and the event. [T]here is no precise
    amount of time between the event and the statement beyond which
    the statement cannot qualify as an excited utterance. Admissibility
    hinges on a statement’s contemporaneousness with the excitement a
    startling event causes, not the event itself. There is no hard time limit
    that must be met under Rule 803; what is relevant is whether the
    declarant is still under the excitement of the startling event.
    
    Id. at 1279
     (citations and quotation marks omitted).
    A.W.’s statements to Bridget W. satisfy all three requirements of the
    excited utterance exception. First, A.W. called Bridget W. directly after
    experiencing two startling events: being raped, and being kicked out by Harris in
    the middle of the night. Second, the facts indicate A.W. was under the stress of
    the events when she called Bridget; she was crying, and was still crying and
    visibly upset when Bridget arrived to pick her up several minutes later. Third, the
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    statement related directly to the startling event: A.W. told Bridget she had been
    raped by Frost. 1
    Thus, Bridget W.’s hearsay testimony was covered by the excited utterance
    exception and therefore was admissible.
    3. Officer Medina’s and Officer Steinhage’s Testimony
    The government argues the testimony of Officers Medina and Steinhage
    was also admissible under the excited utterance exception. A.W.’s hearsay
    statements to the officers clearly satisfy the first and third requirements of the
    exception: the statements were made after startling events and related to those
    events. It is less than clear, however, whether these statements satisfy the
    requirement that “the statement[s] w[ere] made while the declarant was under the
    stress of the event’s excitement.” Smith, 
    606 F.3d at 1279
    . A.W.’s statements
    were a product of police questioning approximately an hour after the encounter,
    and the exception does not encompass every statement made in response to police
    interrogation while the declarant is upset. At the same time, there is no
    categorical rule that statements made to police are per se inadmissible under the
    excited utterance exception.
    In determining whether statements to police are admissible as excited
    utterances, courts have looked to two primary factors. First, they have looked to
    1
    While the uncontested facts support application of the exception, a timely
    objection to admissibility could have required the government to elicit additional
    foundation if the defense truly believed the exception did not apply.
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    the spontaneity of the statement. A spontaneous statement volunteered by the
    declarant is more likely to come within the exception than a statement that is
    elicited by detailed police questioning. Compare, e.g., United States v. Arnold,
    
    486 F.3d 177
    , 186 (6th Cir. 2007) (admitting victim’s exclamation to police that
    the defendant had threatened her with a gun), with Paxton v. Ward 
    199 F.3d 1197
    ,
    1211 (10th Cir. 1999) (finding statement inadmissible because, among other
    reasons, it “was not spontaneously volunteered, but rather was offered in response
    to questioning”).
    But even if prompted by questioning, a statement may be admissible if the
    questions are somewhat open-ended. See, e.g., United States v. Phelps, 
    168 F.3d 1048
    , 1055 (8th Cir. 1999) (district court did not abuse its discretion by admitting
    statements to officer where “[e]ach time [victim] began to talk to [officer] about
    the shooting, she began to cry, despite [officer’s] attempts to calm her down,” and
    victim’s “statements to [officer] were not made in response to suggestive
    questioning”); United States v. Iron Shell, 
    633 F.2d 77
    , 86 (8th Cir. 1980) (no
    abuse of discretion where officer “did not ask [victim] suggestive questions but . .
    . only asked [victim], ‘what happened?’” and victim “did not give a detailed
    narrative but spoke in short bursts about the incident”).
    Second, courts have looked to the level of excitement experienced by the
    declarant. If the declarant’s excitement level is severe, then even statements
    made in response to questioning may be admitted. See, e.g., United States v.
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    Belfast, 
    611 F.3d 783
    , 817–18 (11th Cir. 2010) (statement made four to five hours
    after victim tortured and threatened with death admissible); United States v.
    Clemmons, 
    461 F.3d 1057
    , 1061 (8th Cir. 2006) (“Although Officer . . . testified
    that [declarant] was talking . . . in a calm manner, [declarant] had suffered five
    gunshot wounds and lay bleeding on the ground. . . . [I]t would be unreasonable
    to conclude that someone recently suffering multiple gun-shot wounds . . . is
    likely to calculate who he might unfairly blame for his injuries.”) (quotation
    marks omitted); Webb v. Lane, 
    922 F.2d 390
    , 394 (7th Cir. 1991) (“[T]he fact that
    the statements were made in response to . . . questions, although relevant, did not
    destroy their . . . spontaneity. The tremendous shock and stress caused by the
    shooting and [the declarant’s] subsequent pain may well have postponed his
    opportunity to reflect.”). Not only life-threatening violence, but also sexual
    assault, are encounters that may produce the requisite level of emotional
    excitement in some victims. See, e.g., Iron Shell, 
    633 F.2d at 86
     (applying
    exception where evidence “suggested . . . that [nine-year-old declarant] had
    struggled with the defendant, that he had threatened her with serious harm and
    that he had unsnapped and pulled down her jeans. The stress and fear that such
    an occurrence would impose upon a young girl cannot be discounted.”); see also
    United States v. Bercier, 
    506 F.3d 625
    , 630 (applying exception where eighteen-
    year-old declarant was “shaking and crying uncontrollably [and] had trouble
    breathing” about “fifteen to twenty minutes” after sexual assault).
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    Conversely, statements made after a clear opportunity for reflection, even if
    entirely voluntary, may be inadmissible. See, e.g., Winzer v. Hall, 
    494 F.3d 1192
    ,
    1200 (9th Cir. 2007) (“If [declarant] was able to calmly and coolly call 911
    several hours after the threat and discuss both the threat and other circumstances,
    she must have weighed the costs of intrusion against the benefit of obtaining help
    from the police.”).
    Reviewing the facts here places this case somewhere in the middle.
    Although A.W. was no longer in danger, she had just been through an ordeal that
    anyone would find traumatic—let alone a seventeen-year-old girl with no prior
    sexual experience. The officers questioned A.W. within a short time after the
    alleged rape, and the evidence suggested A.W. had been in a heightened
    emotional state since she left Frost’s residence. Like the declarant in Phelps,
    A.W. had difficulty communicating her account of the events due to her agitation.
    See R., Vol. 3, at 258 (“She was very upset. I allowed her to regain her
    composure, and it did take a while to finally get it out of her. She was crying.
    She was very emotional.”).
    There are other facts, however, that cut against finding A.W.’s statements
    were spontaneous. Most significantly, the officers’ testimony shows that they
    questioned A.W. in a detailed fashion. Officer Medina methodically had A.W.
    walk through each step of the night’s events, and asked specific clarifying
    questions when A.W. was unclear. See, e.g., 
    id.
     (“I asked her if she knew what
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    that meant, to be penetrated, and she shook her head yes. And I asked if [Frost]
    penetrated her vagina, . . . and she said yes . . . .”). This type of questioning
    differs from the open-ended questioning found in the cases described above. A
    general question like “what happened?” may serve as a nudge that elicits an
    excited utterance, whereas responses to detailed questioning lack the
    characteristic spontaneity of an excited utterance.
    Had Frost objected to the officers’ testimony at trial, a strong case against
    admissibility could have been made. But Frost must show the error was plain—
    that it was “clear or obvious at the time of the appeal.” Cordery, 
    656 F.3d at 1106
    . This he cannot do. A.W.’s statements to the officers came when she was
    still visibly upset. Under only slightly different facts, the court’s admission of
    the officers’ testimony may have been entirely unproblematic. Thus, we cannot
    say that the officers’ testimony was obviously inadmissible, such that the district
    court should have excluded the testimony even without an objection from Frost.
    Therefore, we find the court did not commit plain error in admitting the
    testimony of Officers Medina and Steinhage.
    4. Nurse Murison’s Testimony
    Frost next contends it was plain error to admit Nurse Murison’s hearsay
    statements regarding what A.W. told her about the incident. But some hearsay
    statements are admissible under the federal rules if they are related to the
    declarant seeking medical treatment:
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    The following are not excluded by the rule against hearsay,
    regardless of whether the declarant is available as a witness:
    ...
    (4) Statement Made for Medical Diagnosis or Treatment. A statement
    that:
    (A) is made for — and is reasonably pertinent to — medical
    diagnosis or treatment; and
    (B) describes medical history; past or present symptoms or
    sensations; their inception; or their general cause.
    Fed. R. Evid. 803. This exception “is founded on a theory of reliability that
    emanates from the patient’s own selfish motive—her understanding ‘that the
    effectiveness of the treatment received will depend upon the accuracy of the
    information provided to the physician.’” United States v. Joe, 
    8 F.3d 1488
    ,
    1493–94 (10th Cir. 1993) (quoting 2 McCormick on Evidence § 277, at 246–47
    (John W. Strong ed., 4th ed. 1992)).
    Most of A.W.’s statements to Murison fall within this exception. A.W.
    needed to describe what had happened so that Murison could make an informed
    judgment about how best to proceed with the examination and whether to
    prescribe medications. Details regarding whether, where, and how A.W. was
    touched are pertinent to medical diagnosis in a sexual assault case. United States
    v. Tome, 
    61 F.3d 1446
     (10th Cir. 1995); see also United States v. Nathan J., 
    127 F.3d 1110
    , *1 (10th Cir. 1997) (unpublished) (allowing, under plain-error
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    standard, medical examiner’s hearsay testimony about the details of the victim’s
    assault).
    Certain aspects of Murison’s testimony may have been inadmissible,
    including A.W.’s identification of Frost and her claims of loud resistance.
    Ordinarily, a hearsay statement identifying an accused rapist is not covered by the
    medical diagnosis or treatment exception. Tome, 
    61 F.3d at 1450
    . 2 Here,
    however, Frost admitted he had sex with A.W. but argued she consented. Thus,
    hearsay statements identifying Frost, even if admitted in error, were harmless.
    A.W.’s claims of loud resistance are potentially more problematic, but our
    review is hampered by the incompleteness of the factual record. Hearsay
    determinations are particularly fact- and case- specific. See United States v.
    Pursley, 
    577 F.3d 1204
    , 1220 (10th Cir. 2009). Had Frost timely objected to
    Murison’s testimony, we would have a record to determine whether those
    statements were made for the purpose of diagnosis or treatment and were relevant
    to that endeavor. Since no objection was made, these issues were not explored in
    detail below; all we have is Murison’s general affirmation that the patient history
    was “primarily for the purposes of medical diagnosis and treatment,” and not law
    2
    There are some circumstances in which the identity of the accused abuser
    is pertinent to medical diagnosis or treatment, and therefore admissible—for
    example, when the assailant is a member of the victim’s family or household. See
    Tome, 
    61 F.3d at 1450
    .
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    enforcement. R., Vol. 3, at 305–06. We are thus left to speculate regarding the
    pertinence of A.W.’s claims of resistance.
    We suspect that a victim’s description of how loud she resisted often will
    not be pertinent to medical diagnosis or treatment. But such a description
    sometimes may be pertinent—for example, when used to describe the level of
    pain experienced by the victim. Questions about a patient’s pain level are
    legitimate medical inquiries, and the patient’s responses to such questions might
    be admissible under the medical exception. See United States v. Santos, 
    589 F.3d 759
    , 763 (5th Cir. 2009). And, of course, a patient’s description of the location
    of pain may guide an examiner in looking for injuries.
    Here, while A.W.’s descriptions of loud resistance may have been pertinent
    to the location and intensity of her pain, they could also emphasize her lack of
    consent. Without more factual development, it is impossible to know whether the
    medical hearsay exception should apply.
    Given these circumstances, and mindful that Frost bears the burden of
    showing plain error, we decline to reverse based on Murison’s hearsay testimony.
    The medical pertinence of hearsay statements is a heavily fact-dependent matter.
    See, e.g., United States v. Pacheco, 
    154 F.3d 1236
    , 1242 (10th Cir. 1998). Where
    the determinative facts are missing from the record due to the defendant’s failure
    to make a timely objection, we will not find plain error based on the possibility
    that better factual development would have made the error clear. See United
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    States v. Easter, 
    981 F.2d 1549
    , 1556 (10th Cir. 1992) (“Plain error review is not
    appropriate when the alleged error involves the resolution of factual disputes.”).
    Otherwise, “we could reverse and remand because of ‘plain error’ even though it
    may ultimately be resolved that there was no error at all.” United States v. Lewis,
    
    594 F.3d 1270
    , 1288 (10th Cir. 2010). Some hearsay errors are blatant enough to
    warrant plain-error reversal even without much factual development, but such is
    not the case here.
    5. Agent Wallace’s Testimony
    Finally, Frost argues the admission of Agent Wallace’s testimony was plain
    error. We find, however, that the admission of Agent Wallace’s testimony neither
    prejudiced Frost, nor seriously affected the fairness, integrity, or public reputation
    of the proceedings. Thus, Frost cannot overcome the third and fourth prongs of
    plain-error review.
    To satisfy the prejudice prong of plain error, “a defendant ‘must
    demonstrate a reasonable probability that, but for the error claimed, the result of
    the proceeding would have been different.’” United States v. Caraway, 
    534 F.3d 1290
    , 1299 (10th Cir. 2008) (quoting United States v. Fields, 
    516 F.3d 923
    , 944
    (10th Cir. 2008) (internal quotation marks omitted)). Here, there is no such
    probability. Wallace’s testimony “was hardly central to the trial.” Id. at 1300.
    Before Wallace testified, A.W.’s account had already been corroborated by four
    other witnesses, including two other law enforcement officers. It is unlikely that
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    Wallace’s cumulative testimony would have changed the jury’s evaluation of
    A.W.’s credibility.
    Insofar as Wallace’s testimony might have had some impact, it likely would
    have benefitted Frost rather than the government. There were several
    inconsistencies between A.W.’s testimony and the account she gave to Wallace.
    Frost’s counsel confronted A.W. with these inconsistencies on cross-examination,
    and then returned to highlight them during her cross-examination of Wallace.
    Indeed, Wallace appears to be the only hearsay witness whose account included
    significant discrepancies from A.W.’s testimony.
    In light of the cumulative nature of Wallace’s testimony and its dubious
    value to the government’s case, we find there is not a reasonable probability that,
    but for Wallace’s testimony, the jury would not have convicted Frost. Thus, Frost
    fails to establish the prejudice prong of plain error.
    With regard to the fourth prong, we also find that Wallace’s hearsay
    testimony did not “seriously affect the fairness, integrity, or public reputation of
    the proceedings.” Hinson, 
    585 F.3d at 1333
     (10th Cir. 2009). It was Frost’s
    counsel, not the government, who first made Wallace known to the jury, on her
    cross-examination of A.W.:
    Q. And while you were there [at Mercy Hospital], did you give a statement
    to another . . . agent named John Wallace?
    A. Yes
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    ...
    Q. . . . When you talked with Agent Wallace, you told him that you
    and [K.A.] had been friends for about a year, didn’t you?
    A. Yes.
    Q. And yesterday, you testified you all had been friends, first you
    said a few days, and then you said a few weeks. Is that correct?
    A. Yes. But I couldn’t remember how long I’ve known her.
    Q. So had you known her for a year or had you known her for a few
    weeks?
    A. About a year.
    ...
    Q. Did you tell Agent Wallace that after the three of you left
    Thriftway and went back to Adam’s house that all three of you snuck
    through the bedroom window?
    A. No.
    Q. And if he said that, that would be incorrect?
    A. Yes.
    Q. Did you tell Agent Wallace that when Ms. Harris came into the
    room and saw [K.A.], that she removed [K.A.] from the room by her
    hand, took her by the hand and took her out of the room?
    A. Yes.
    Q. Did you also say to Agent Wallace that Ms. Harris looked at you
    and told you you would be okay in the bedroom?
    A. No.
    Q. And if he says that you said that, that would be incorrect?
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    A. Yes.
    R., Vol. 3, at 212.
    The clear intent of this exchange was to point out the inconsistencies
    between A.W.’s testimony and the account she gave to Wallace. Frost’s counsel
    later highlighted these inconsistencies in her cross-examination of Wallace.
    Finally, counsel made A.W.’s credibility the centerpiece of her closing argument,
    and again highlighted the inconsistencies between her testimony and Wallace’s
    account. Given the importance of these inconsistencies to the defense counsel’s
    argument, her failure to object to Wallace’s testimony reflects more a deliberate
    strategic choice rather than an oversight. Frost received the benefit of these
    highlighted inconsistencies, even though his strategy was ultimately unsuccessful.
    Under these circumstances, we do not believe that Wallace’s testimony
    seriously undermined the fairness, integrity, or public reputation of Frost’s trial.
    II. Allocution Challenge
    Frost also claims that the district court violated his allocution rights by
    sentencing him before he had a chance to address the court.
    A. Background
    After conviction and before sentencing, probation services prepared a
    presentence report and recommended sentence. According to the presentence
    report, although Frost fell within the most lenient criminal history category under
    the Sentencing Guidelines, that category significantly under-represented his
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    criminal history because it failed to account for his past convictions in tribal
    court. The presentence report therefore recommended the court apply a higher
    criminal history category, yielding a guidelines range of 188 to 235 months’
    imprisonment, and further recommended the court impose a mid-range sentence
    of 200 months.
    Frost objected in writing to the recommendation prior to sentencing.
    Nonetheless, at the beginning of the sentencing proceedings, the court told Frost
    and his counsel: “I think there is justification for a much higher sentence, but I
    will abide by the recommendation of Probation and impose a sentence of 200
    months.” R., Vol. 3, at 603.
    The court then asked Frost, “[A]t this time is there anything you’d like to
    say before I state a sentence?” Id. at 604. Frost answered yes, and read a
    prepared statement to the court, which covers about three pages of the transcript.
    His counsel then spoke again, asking the court for a sentence of 188 months. The
    government responded, asking the court to adopt the presentence report’s
    recommendation.
    The district court concluded this segment of the proceeding with an offer to
    the parties: “This is a proposed sentence, and you may comment on it.” Id. at
    612. The court then explained in detail that it had considered the appropriate
    factors and concluded that 200 months was an appropriate sentence. The court
    engaged in a formal pronouncement of the sentence, including all the sentencing
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    conditions, and then again asked the parties for comment. Defense counsel’s only
    request was that a condition on Frost’s computer and internet usage be lifted, to
    which the court agreed. Finally, the court “ordered that the sentence as I stated it
    will be the sentence imposed.” Id. at 620.
    B. Discussion
    Because Frost did “not object to the purported violation of his allocution
    rights at the . . . hearing,” we “review for plain error.” United States v. Rausch,
    
    638 F.3d 1296
    , 1299 (10th Cir. 2011). As a general matter, allocution errors are
    not subject to harmless-error analysis, because it is difficult for defendants to
    establish that proper allocution would have resulted in a lower sentence. Rausch,
    
    638 F.3d at
    1300–01. But even so, allocution errors are not automatically subject
    to reversal. They still must meet the fourth requirement of plain error—that they
    “seriously affect the fairness, integrity, or public reputation of judicial
    proceedings.” 
    Id. at 1301
    . Like many trial errors, “denial of the right of
    allocution is not a fundamental defect which inherently results in a complete
    miscarriage of justice, nor an omission inconsistent with the rudimentary demands
    of fair procedure.” United States v. Mendoza-Lopez, 
    669 F.3d 1148
    , 1153 (10th
    Cir. 2012) (internal quotation marks omitted).
    Rule 32 requires that “before imposing [a] sentence, the court must . . .
    address the defendant personally in order to permit the defendant to speak or
    present any information to mitigate the sentence.” Fed. R. Crim. P.
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    32(i)(4)(A)(ii). This rule codifies the common law right of allocution at
    sentencing. Green v. United States, 
    365 U.S. 301
    , 304 (1961).
    If a court “definitively” announces a defendant’s sentence before giving
    him a chance to speak, the court commits reversible error because it “effectively
    communicate[s] to [the defendant] that his sentence ha[s] already been
    determined, and that he would not have a meaningful opportunity to influence that
    sentence through his statements to the court.” United States v. Landeros-Lopez,
    
    615 F.3d 1260
    , 1268 (10th Cir. 2010). Such error is generally not cured by “the
    court’s later remark that it merely ‘intended’ to impose” the sentence it
    announced. Id.; but see Mendoza-Lopez, 
    669 F.3d at 1152
     (finding no plain error
    where court announced its intention to sentence defendant within the guidelines
    range prior to allocution).
    We find the court below did not commit plain error at sentencing. While
    the court’s preliminary statement obviously disclosed its favorable view of the
    recommendations contained in the presentence report, the totality of the hearing
    shows any error by the court did not “seriously affect[] the fairness, integrity, or
    public reputation of judicial proceedings,” Rausch, 
    638 F.3d at 1301
    .
    First of all, the sentencing transcript shows that the court’s statements did
    not, in fact, inhibit Frost from making a meaningful statement in an attempt to
    influence his sentence. To the contrary, Frost spoke at length about his
    upbringing and family circumstances, as well as his perception of unfair treatment
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    at trial and in his past proceedings relating to his prior rape conviction. Frost also
    proposed “a lesser sentence with the option of probation and early release. And
    . . . I will succeed in counseling of the probation requirements if I’m allowed to
    be put on probation as soon and as early as possible.” R., Vol. 3, at 606.
    Based on these statements and the court’s requests for additional
    comments, we are satisfied Frost had an opportunity to influence the sentence
    imposed. Indeed, Frost was undeterred by the court’s preliminary statement and
    he and his counsel took full advantage of the opportunity to attempt to influence
    the court’s decision. Where the court personally invites the defendant to present
    information to mitigate his sentence, and the defendant in fact does so, fairness is
    not seriously affected, notwithstanding the presumption of prejudice. See
    Mendoza-Lopez, 
    669 F.3d at 1153
    . In addition, Frost “fail[s] to set forth what
    [else] he would have said to the district court” but for the alleged error. Rausch,
    
    638 F.3d at 1302
    .
    These facts differ significantly from the facts in United States v. Landeros-
    Lopez, 
    615 F.3d 1260
     (10th Cir. 2010), in which we remanded for resentencing
    based on the district court’s allocution error. There, after the court announced the
    intended sentence, the defendant addressed the court “briefly” and apologized for
    his actions, but did not make an extended argument for leniency. 
    Id. at 1265
    .
    Here, in contrast, despite the court’s alleged error, Frost made an extended
    statement that included an explicit request for a lower sentence. Put differently,
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    even if the court’s statements in theory could have “effectively communicated . . .
    that his sentence had already been determined,” 
    id. at 1268
    , Frost’s conduct
    shows that the court’s statements did not in fact communicate that to him. See
    Mendoza-Lopez, 
    669 F.3d at 1153
     (finding no serious unfairness where the court
    did not “conclusively adjudge” the defendant’s sentence before allocution).
    The present case also differs from Landeros-Lopez in another significant
    way. In Landeros-Lopez, the defendant was invited to speak only after the court
    pronounced the sentence in a lengthy and detailed fashion, with all the trappings
    of a formal sentence, including the defendant’s conditions of confinement and
    supervised release. See 
    615 F.3d at 1266
    ; see also United States v. Luepke, 
    495 F.3d 443
    , 445 (7th Cir. 2007). We found that allowing the defendant to speak
    only after this formal pronouncement would create the impression that the
    sentence was a “foregone conclusion,” thereby undermining the court’s legitimacy
    and damaging “the public perception of fairness.” Landeros-Lopez, 
    615 F.3d at 1267
    .
    Here, in contrast, the court did not engage in a lengthy, formal recitation of
    the defendant’s sentence until after the defendant had made an extended plea for
    leniency. See Mendoza-Lopez, 
    669 F.3d at 1152
     (distinguishing Landeros-Lopez
    based on the formality of the court’s pronouncement). In addition, both defense
    counsel and government counsel spoke after Frost, before the court formally
    announced a sentence, and offered substantive argument regarding the appropriate
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    sentence. Thus, in light of the proceedings as a whole, a public observer would
    not be left with the impression that Frost did not have a meaningful opportunity to
    address the court before it finalized his sentence. Cf. United States v. Griffin, 
    530 F.3d 433
    , 438 (6th Cir. 2008) (no denial of allocution rights where record
    reflected that court gave defendant’s statements “genuine[]” consideration). And,
    as noted previously, Frost gives no indication of what else he would say if given
    another chance to speak. See Rausch, 
    638 F.3d at 1302
    .
    Therefore, even if the court’s preliminary adoption of the presentence
    report’s recommendation might have been in error, that error did not seriously
    impair the fairness, integrity, or public reputation of the proceeding.
    III. Conclusion
    For the reasons stated above, we AFFIRM the judgment of the district
    court.
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