Bradley Hester v. Matthew Gentry ( 2022 )


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  • USCA11 Case: 18-13894    Date Filed: 07/29/2022   Page: 1 of 142
    [PUBLISH]
    In the
    United States Court of Appeals
    For the Eleventh Circuit
    ____________________
    No. 18-13894
    ____________________
    RAY CHARLES SCHULTZ, et al.,
    Plaintiffs,
    BRADLEY HESTER,
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    versus
    STATE OF ALABAMA, et al.,
    Defendants,
    MATTHEW GENTRY,
    Sheriff of Cullman County, Alabama,
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    in official and individual capacity,
    AMY BLACK,
    in her official capacity as a Magistrate,
    LISA MCSWAIN,
    in her official capacity as a Magistrate,
    JUDGE J. CHAD FLOYD,
    JUDGE RUSTY TURNER,
    Defendants-Appellants.
    ____________________
    Appeals from the United States District Court
    for the Northern District of Alabama
    D.C. Docket No. 5:17-cv-00270-MHH
    ____________________
    Before ROSENBAUM, LAGOA, and ANDERSON, Circuit Judges.
    LAGOA, Circuit Judge:
    Cullman County, Alabama, maintains a bail system that, un-
    til recently, was commonplace throughout the country. When ar-
    rested, the accused is assessed an amount of bail based on a bail
    schedule. Those who can pay the amount are immediately re-
    leased. Those who cannot afford to post bail, however, are de-
    tained for a short time period until they can appear at a bail hearing.
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    At that bail hearing, the arrestee must prove his inability to post
    bail and show that he is not a flight risk or a danger to the commu-
    nity in order to secure his release.
    Today, we are asked to assess the constitutionality of this
    ubiquitous system. Bradley Hester, on behalf of a class of similarly
    situated pretrial detainees, argues that the bail system is unconsti-
    tutional because it discriminates against the indigent, both by ab-
    solutely depriving them of pretrial release and by depriving them
    of due process at their bail hearings. In the district court, Hester
    moved for a preliminary injunction on both grounds. The district
    court agreed with his position and enjoined the Sheriff of Cullman
    County from continuing to operate its bail system as written, es-
    sentially guaranteeing indigent arrestees immediate pretrial re-
    lease. This appeal followed.
    I.     FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL HISTORY
    The factual background of this case is long and complicated.
    When Hester was first arrested and detained, Cullman County
    maintained a bail system that is no longer in effect. On March 26,
    2018—after Hester filed his complaint but before the district court
    issued its preliminary injunction—Cullman County adopted a new
    bail system, as memorialized in what we will refer to as the “Stand-
    ing Bail Order.” The Standing Bail Order is the bail system at issue
    in this case.
    We will thus summarize the facts in four parts. First, we
    describe the relevant provisions of Alabama law at issue. Second,
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    we describe Cullman County’s prior bail system—i.e., the bail sys-
    tem in place before March 26, 2018. Third, we detail the changes
    Cullman County made to its bail system upon the issuance of the
    Standing Bail Order. Fourth, we summarize Hester’s arrest and the
    resulting procedural history of this case.
    Under Alabama law, all arrestees not charged with capital
    murder have the statutory right to bail. See 
    Ala. Code §§ 15-13-106
    to -108. The purposes of setting bail are obvious: getting defend-
    ants to appear for court proceedings and ensuring public safety.
    See Ala. R. Crim. P. 7.2(a) (noting that conditions of pretrial release
    should “reasonably assure the defendant’s appearance” at court
    proceedings and protect “the public at large” from “real and pre-
    sent danger”).
    Alabama Rule of Criminal Procedure 7.2(a) establishes the
    framework for the right to bail and specifies the factors to be con-
    sidered when conducting an individualized bail determination:
    Rule 7.2. Right to release on one’s personal recogni-
    zance or on bond.
    (a) Before Conviction. Any defendant charged with
    an offense bailable as a matter of right may be re-
    leased pending or during trial on his or her personal
    recognizance or on an appearance bond unless the
    court or magistrate determines that such a release
    will not reasonably assure the defendant’s appearance
    as required, or that the defendant’s being at large will
    pose a real and present danger to others or to the pub-
    lic at large. If such a determination is made, the court
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    may impose the least onerous condition or conditions
    contained in Rule 7.3(b) that will reasonably assure
    the defendant’s appearance or that will eliminate or
    minimize the risk of harm to others or to the public
    at large. In making such a determination, the court
    may take into account the following:
    1. The age, background and family ties, rela-
    tionships and circumstances of the defendant.
    2. The defendant’s reputation, character, and
    health.
    3. The defendant’s prior criminal record, in-
    cluding prior releases on recognizance or on
    secured appearance bonds, and other pending
    cases.
    4. The identity of responsible members of the
    community who will vouch for the defend-
    ant’s reliability.
    5. Violence or lack of violence in the alleged
    commission of the offense.
    6. The nature of the offense charged, the ap-
    parent probability of conviction, and the likely
    sentence, insofar as these factors are relevant
    to the risk of nonappearance.
    7. The type of weapon used, e.g., knife, pistol,
    shotgun, sawed-off shotgun.
    8. Threats made against victims and/or wit-
    nesses.
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    9. The value of property taken during the al-
    leged commission of the offense.
    10. Whether the property allegedly taken was
    recovered or not; damage or lack of damage to
    property allegedly taken.
    11. Residence of the defendant, including con-
    sideration of real property ownership, and
    length of residence in his or her place of domi-
    cile.
    12. In cases where the defendant is charged
    with a drug offense, evidence of selling or
    pusher activity should indicate a substantial in-
    crease in the amount of bond.
    13. Consideration of the defendant’s employ-
    ment status and history, the location of defend-
    ant’s employment, e.g., whether employed in
    the county where the alleged offense occurred,
    and the defendant’s financial condition.
    14. Any enhancement statutes related to the
    charged offense.
    Ala R. Crim. P. 7.2(a).
    Individuals in Cullman County can be arrested in one of two
    ways—pursuant to a warrant or pursuant to a warrantless probable
    cause arrest. For individuals arrested pursuant to a warrant issued
    by one of the County’s magistrate judges, those judges set the ini-
    tial bail amount in the warrant. For individuals arrested without a
    warrant, the Cullman County Sheriff’s Office sets the initial bail
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    amount. In Cullman County, both before and after the Standing
    Bail Order went into effect, bail was initially assessed under a Mas-
    ter Bail Schedule that matched an amount of bail with a particular
    criminal offense.
    Because many individuals do not have liquid assets in an
    amount sufficient to satisfy the bail schedule, Cullman County also
    has a bonding process that allows arrestees to post bail. Arrestees
    can post either property bonds or surety bonds to make bail. In the
    case of property bonds, the arrestee posts either real or chattel
    property as collateral for his bail. With surety bonds, the arrestee
    contacts a bonding company and works out an arrangement by
    which he pays a fee or percentage of his bail to the bonding com-
    pany, which then posts bail in the full amount.
    Before March 26, 2018, the Cullman County bail schedule
    matched specific criminal offenses with a range of bail that could
    be assessed. When an individual was arrested without a warrant,
    the Sheriff’s Office would set bail under that schedule based on the
    crime charged. Those individuals who could post bail through a
    secured bond were immediately released, while those who could
    not afford to post bail were detained until a magistrate judge could
    conduct an initial appearance. At that initial appearance, the mag-
    istrate judge would explain the basis of the bail amount set but was
    not permitted to evaluate the bail amount or determine whether it
    exceeded the amount necessary to satisfy the purposes of bail. Af-
    ter that bail hearing, an arrestee could move to have his bail
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    amount reconsidered, which would then be heard by a district
    judge in Cullman County.
    The parties disputed the efficacy of this now-defunct bail sys-
    tem. According to Alacourt—Alabama’s electronic court monitor-
    ing system—around 34% of arrestees in February 2018 could not
    secure their release by posting bond within seventy-two hours of
    arrest. And of that group, Alacourt explained that a substantial per-
    centage did not receive their initial appearance within the seventy-
    two hours prescribed by Alabama law. The Defendants, however,
    contended that Alacourt did not contain all relevant information
    and sometimes experienced substantial lag time in updating. Ac-
    cording to them, the number of February 2018 arrestees who were
    released without the need of an initial appearance was 76%. But,
    according to the Defendants, a number of arrestees who ultimately
    did not post bond were ineligible for release anyway due to either
    a new probable cause arrest or a warrant for failure to appear.
    On March 26, 2018, the presiding circuit judge of Cullman
    County issued a new “Standing Order Regarding Pre-Trial Appear-
    ance and the Setting of Bond.” This Standing Bail Order set new
    policies for the County, including providing a new bail schedule
    that specified specific bail amounts (rather than a range) for specific
    crimes. Some bail amounts were also lower than in the previous
    system.
    The Standing Bail Order prescribed new procedures for ad-
    ministering bail. As with the previous system, arrestees who could
    afford to pay the bail amount imposed upon arrest would be
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    immediately released—usually within ninety minutes or so of ar-
    riving at the Sheriff’s Office. But if the Sheriff believed that the
    amount in the bail schedule was insufficient for serving the pur-
    poses of bail—i.e., if the Sheriff believed that the arrestee posed a
    risk of flight or danger to the community that did not match the
    amount of bail prescribed by the schedule—the Standing Bail Or-
    der allowed the Sheriff to submit a “Bail Request Form.” If such a
    form was submitted, the arrestee—regardless of ability to pay—
    would be held by the Sheriff’s Office until a magistrate judge could
    hold an initial appearance, at which time the magistrate judge
    would conduct an individualized determination of the conditions
    and release, and either grant the Sheriff’s bail request (setting an
    amount higher than prescribed in the schedule) or deny the bail
    request (and thus fall back on the amount prescribed in the sched-
    ule). The Standing Bail Order requires that such a hearing will take
    place within seventy-two hours of arrest. If the hearing does not
    take place within seventy-two hours, the Standing Bail Order guar-
    antees the arrestee release upon posting bail in the initial amount
    prescribed by the bail schedule.
    Under the Standing Bail Order, indigent arrestees—those
    who cannot afford to post bail—receive similar treatment to ar-
    restees for whom the Sheriff submits a bail request. After arrest,
    the Standing Bail Order guarantees them an initial appearance and
    bail hearing within seventy-two hours. At the initial appearance, a
    judge determines the terms of pretrial release. Before that initial
    appearance, the Standing Bail Order requires indigent arrestees to
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    complete two forms: an “Affidavit of Substantial Hardship,” and a
    “Release Questionnaire.” In the Release Questionnaire, the ar-
    restee can provide information about his residence, employment,
    family situation, health, and criminal history for the purpose of as-
    certaining information that might be relevant to a pre-trial release.
    It also asks for the contact information of his nearest living relatives
    and of people in the community, who may vouch for his character.
    In the Hardship Affidavit, the arrestee can provide information
    about his employment, assistance benefits, income, expenses, and
    assets to have a public defender appointed.
    At the indigent arrestee’s initial appearance, the court sets
    the terms of the arrestee’s pretrial release. The judge ensures that
    the defendant is aware of the charges against him and reviews his
    paperwork to determine whether he is indigent, as contemplated
    by the Alabama Rules of Criminal Procedure. See Ala. R. Crim. P.
    7.2(a). The Standing Bail Order makes clear that the judge must
    impose the least onerous condition that will assure the purposes of
    bail are satisfied:
    The Court will not require a defendant to post a se-
    cured appearance bond that the defendant cannot af-
    ford to post, or a secured appearance bond in an
    amount less than that contained in the bond schedule
    that the defendant can afford to post, if there is a less
    onerous condition that would assure the defendant’s
    appearance or minimize risk to the public.
    The Standing Bail Order, however, does not guarantee an indigent
    arrestee release upon a showing of indigency. If the court
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    determines at the initial appearance that releasing the indigent de-
    fendant on his own recognizance or on an unsecured appearance
    bond will not satisfy the purposes of bail—i.e., will not guarantee
    his appearance at trial or safeguard the public—the court may re-
    quire the posting of a secured appearance bond even if the indigent
    arrestee cannot afford it. If the court determines that a secured ap-
    pearance bond is necessary, it must detail its findings in a written
    order. If the defendant wants to have his bail amount reconsidered,
    he may file a motion with the court.
    This new system had only been in place for sixteen days
    when the district court held the preliminary injunction hearing. As
    a result, there was almost no evidence presented regarding how the
    system had been implemented. Nevertheless, the district court
    concluded that: (1) the Sheriff’s Office was rarely making bail re-
    quests; (2) one individual was arrested on April 8, 2018, and was
    released on April 13, 2018, after posting a property bond; (3) judges
    were not fastidiously filling out their written findings of fact; and
    most importantly, (4) it was “not unusual for a judge to set bond
    for an indigent defendant in an amount the defendant cannot af-
    ford.”
    This lawsuit was first filed in February 2017—before the
    adoption of the Standing Bail Order—by a group of plaintiffs that
    are no longer a part of this case. Hester, the appellant here, did not
    move to intervene until August 1, 2017. He filed his intervenor
    complaint on March 9, 2018—about two weeks before the Stand-
    ing Bail Order was adopted.
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    In his intervenor complaint, Hester alleges that he was ar-
    rested on August 27, 2017, for possession of drug paraphernalia.
    Because he could not afford to post the $1,000 bond required by
    the now-defunct bail schedule, he was held for two days before a
    magistrate judge could conduct an initial appearance. At that initial
    appearance, the magistrate judge explained to Hester the charge
    levied against him and how he could secure his pretrial release. But
    because he could not afford to post bond, Hester remained de-
    tained.
    Hester sued six Defendants in his complaint: Matt Gentry—
    the Sheriff of Cullman County; Lisa McSwain—the Circuit Clerk
    of Cullman County; Joan White and Amy Black—magistrate
    judges; and Kim Chaney and Rusty Turner—district judges. He
    brought three 
    42 U.S.C. § 1983
     claims: a wealth discrimination
    claim, a substantive due process claim, and a procedural due pro-
    cess claim. In essence, Hester alleged that the now-defunct bail
    system in Cullman County was unconstitutional because it guar-
    anteed immediate pre-trial release to wealthy arrestees but im-
    posed almost automatic detention orders on indigent arrestees.
    On March 12, 2018, three days after filing his complaint,
    Hester moved for a preliminary injunction on his wealth-discrimi-
    nation claim and his procedural due process claim. On March 26,
    2018, as previously discussed, Cullman County instituted a new
    bail system as memorialized in the Standing Bail Order. Two days
    after that, Sheriff Gentry moved to dismiss Hester’s complaint, in
    which he argued that he was not the proper party under § 1983 and
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    Ex parte Young, 
    209 U.S. 123
     (1908), because he was not responsi-
    ble for the bail policies at issue and, as a result, Hester could not
    trace his injury to Sheriff Gentry’s actions.
    Sixteen days after the Standing Bail Order was implemented,
    the district court held a hearing on Hester’s motion for a prelimi-
    nary injunction. At some point between the filing of his complaint
    and the injunction hearing—although we do not know precisely on
    what date—Hester was released from jail. And five months later,
    on September 4, 2018, the district court issued its written order,
    concluding that Cullman County’s new bail system unconstitution-
    ally discriminated against the indigent by absolutely depriving
    them of immediate pretrial release and by denying them proce-
    dural due process at their bail hearings. The next day, the district
    court denied Sheriff Gentry’s motion to dismiss.
    On September 13, 2018, the district court entered a formal
    preliminary injunction order specifying the procedures that Cull-
    man County would have to follow going forward in order to bring
    its bail system in compliance with the Constitution. Those proce-
    dures were detailed and expansive. The district court ordered the
    Sheriff’s Office to immediately release all criminal defendants from
    pretrial confinement unless it was prepared to submit a bail request
    for that defendant. If the Sheriff’s Office submitted such a request,
    then the Sheriff was obligated to inform the defendant—both orally
    and in writing—that a judge would have to find, by clear and con-
    vincing evidence at an initial appearance, that he was a “significant
    risk of flight or danger to the community.” Despite the fact that
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    the County Defendants testified that they would be unable to hold
    initial appearances within forty-eight hours, the district court also
    ordered the Sheriff to immediately release all criminal defendants
    if they did not receive an initial appearance within that period. If
    the Sheriff submitted a bail request, the formal order also required
    the Sheriff to draft a new questionnaire to submit to criminal de-
    fendants that would elicit further information regarding flight risk
    and danger to the community. It also ordered the Sheriff to either
    provide criminal defendants with liaison deputies, who would as-
    sist criminal defendants in filling out this questionnaire, or inform
    the judge conducting the initial appearance that the defendant
    could not complete the questionnaire without assistance. And the
    formal order required the Sheriff to provide criminal defendants
    with an affidavit form in which the criminal defendants could pro-
    vide information about their financial means. Importantly, the dis-
    trict court ordered nothing relating to the Judicial Defendants in
    this case—i.e., the other defendants named in Hester’s complaint—
    —each of the injunction’s terms were directed only at the Sheriff’s
    Office.
    Sheriff Gentry immediately appealed the district court’s or-
    ders denying his motion to dismiss and issuing the preliminary in-
    junction. The remaining Judicial Defendants also filed a notice of
    appeal, directed only at the preliminary injunction orders. After
    initiating his appeal, however, Sheriff Gentry failed to file an ap-
    pendix within the time required and, as a result, we dismissed his
    appeal for failure to prosecute, under this Court’s Rule 42-1, on
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    January 7, 2019. Following that dismissal, the appeal proceeded
    only as between Hester and the Judicial Defendants. On January
    30, 2019, however, Hester moved to dismiss the Judicial Defend-
    ants’ appeal for lack of appellate jurisdiction, arguing that, because
    the injunction bound only the Sheriff, they had no interest in the
    appeal. After that motion was filed, we reinstated Sheriff Gentry’s
    appeal. We then carried the motion to dismiss with the case.
    All in all, we have three issues to address in this appeal: the
    district court’s denial of Sheriff Gentry’s motion to dismiss; the dis-
    trict court’s issuance of a preliminary injunction; and Hester’s mo-
    tion to dismiss the Judicial Defendants from this appeal for lack of
    appellate jurisdiction.
    II.    STANDARDS OF REVIEW
    We review a district court’s order granting or denying a pre-
    liminary injunction for abuse of discretion. See Baker v. Buckeye
    Cellulose Corp., 
    856 F.2d 167
    , 169 (11th Cir. 1988). But we review
    de novo a district court’s determination of the facial constitutional-
    ity of a statute. See Rodriguez ex rel. Rodriguez v. United States,
    
    169 F.3d 1342
    , 1346 (11th Cir. 1999).
    We review de novo a district court’s order denying a state
    officer’s motion to dismiss based on the Eleventh Amendment’s
    grant of sovereign immunity. See Summit Med. Assocs., P.C. v.
    Pryor, 
    180 F.3d 1326
    , 1334 (11th Cir. 1999); Hundertmark v. State
    of Fla. Dep’t of Transp., 
    205 F.3d 1272
    , 1274 (11th Cir. 2000). Ad-
    ditionally, we have discretion to exercise our pendent appellate
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    jurisdiction over the denial of any motion to dismiss if it is “inextri-
    cably intertwined” with an appealable decision or if “review of the
    former decision [is] necessary to ensure meaningful review of the
    latter.” Swint v. Chambers Cnty. Comm’n, 
    514 U.S. 35
    , 51 (1995);
    accord Chudasama v. Mazda Motor Corp., 
    123 F.3d 1353
    , 1365
    (11th Cir. 1997).
    Finally, we determine our own appellate jurisdiction in the
    first instance. Savannah Coll. of Art & Design, Inc. v. Sportswear,
    Inc., 
    978 F.3d 1347
    , 1348 (11th Cir. 2020) (“We have inherent juris-
    diction to determine our own jurisdiction.”).
    III.   ANALYSIS
    Before reaching the merits of the appeal, we have some
    threshold issues to unpack. The Defendants argued that the district
    court should abstain from hearing any part of this case under the
    abstention doctrine of Younger v. Harris, 
    401 U.S. 37
    , 43–44 (1971).
    Because a ruling for the Defendants on that issue would moot the
    rest of the discussion, we will begin there. Next, we will turn to
    Sheriff Gentry’s motion to dismiss—if we determine that we have
    jurisdiction over that motion on appeal, we will decide whether the
    district court was correct in denying the motion. After discussing
    the Sheriff’s motion to dismiss, we will move on to the Judicial De-
    fendants’ own arguments for dismissal—that they are entitled to
    absolute judicial immunity for their actions in setting bail. And af-
    ter disposing of all threshold issues, we will turn to the injunction
    itself.
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    A. Younger Abstention
    The district court was correct not to abstain from hearing
    this case under Younger. Younger abstention “restrain[s] courts of
    equity from interfering with criminal prosecutions.” 
    Id. at 44
    . The
    doctrine is “based not on jurisdiction, but on the principles of eq-
    uity and comity,” and it commands that “absent extraordinary cir-
    cumstances federal courts should not enjoin pending state criminal
    prosecutions.” Hughes v. Att’y Gen. of Fla., 
    377 F.3d 1258
    , 1262–
    63 (11th Cir. 2004) (quoting New Orleans Pub. Serv., Inc. v. Coun-
    cil of New Orleans, 
    491 U.S. 350
    , 364 (1989)). Under Younger, the
    “normal thing to do when federal courts are asked to enjoin pend-
    ing proceedings in state courts is not to issue such injunctions.” 
    401 U.S. at 45
    .
    Younger does not apply here because Hester is not asking us
    to enjoin any prosecution. He merely seeks a faster bail determi-
    nation, which does not require enjoining or even interfering with
    any ongoing or imminent state prosecution. See Walker v. City of
    Calhoun, 
    901 F.3d 1245
    , 1254 (11th Cir. 2018) (“Younger does not
    readily apply here because Walker is not asking to enjoin any pros-
    ecution. Rather, he merely seeks prompt bail determinations for
    himself and his fellow class members.”); Pugh v. Rainwater, 
    483 F.2d 778
    , 781–82 (5th Cir. 1973) 1 (noting that a federal question
    1 Opinions issued by the former Fifth Circuit prior to October 1, 1981, are
    binding precedent in our Circuit. Bonner v. City of Prichard, 
    661 F.2d 1206
    ,
    1207 (11th Cir. 1981) (en banc).
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    whose “resolution . . . would [only] affect state procedures for han-
    dling criminal cases . . . is not ‘against any pending or future court
    proceedings as such’” (quoting Fuentes v. Shevin, 
    407 U.S. 67
    , 71
    n.3 (1972))), aff’d in part and rev’d in part sub nom., Gerstein v.
    Pugh, 
    420 U.S. 103
     (1975)).
    Gerstein is instructive on this point. In that case, a class of
    Florida detainees sought injunctive relief to receive faster probable
    cause determinations. 
    420 U.S. at
    106–07. The state argued that
    Younger should have barred the claim. See 
    id.
     at 108 n.9. But the
    Supreme Court disagreed, making clear that Younger did not apply
    because “[t]he injunction was not directed at the state prosecutions
    as such, but only at the legality of pretrial detention without a ju-
    dicial hearing, an issue that could not be raised in defense of the
    criminal prosecution.” See 
    id.
     The same is true here. Because
    Hester could not have challenged in state court the issues he has
    raised in this federal action, Younger abstention is inappropriate.
    Thus, the district court was correct to deny the Defendants’ re-
    quests to abstain from hearing this case.
    B. Sheriff Gentry’s Motion to Dismiss
    The district court was also correct to deny Sheriff Gentry’s
    motion to dismiss. Sheriff Gentry asked the district court to dismiss
    Hester’s complaint against him under Federal Rules of Civil
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    Procedure 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6). His motion raised three alterna-
    tive grounds for dismissal: failure to state a claim, lack of standing,
    and sovereign immunity. The district court denied the Sheriff’s
    motion in full.
    Our precedent makes clear that the only portion of the order
    over which we have automatic jurisdiction is the ruling on sover-
    eign immunity. “A district court’s denial of a motion to dismiss on
    Eleventh Amendment immunity grounds is appealable immedi-
    ately.” Summit Med., 180 F.3d at 1334.
    That is not to say, however, that we may not review the en-
    tirety of the order. We may, “within our discretion, exercise juris-
    diction over otherwise nonappealable orders under the pendent ap-
    pellate jurisdiction doctrine.” Id. at 1335. That doctrine allows a
    court of appeals to exercise jurisdiction over otherwise nonappeal-
    able orders if those orders are “inextricably intertwined” with an
    appealable decision or if “review of the [nonappealable] decision
    [is] necessary to ensure meaningful review of the [appealable deci-
    sion].” Swint, 
    514 U.S. at 51
    .
    We had occasion to expound on this rule in Moniz v. City of
    Fort Lauderdale, 
    145 F.3d 1278
     (11th Cir. 1998). In Moniz, we con-
    sidered whether the doctrine of pendent appellate jurisdiction al-
    lowed us to review a district court’s decision on standing in tandem
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    with the district court’s decision on qualified immunity. 2 See 
    id.
     at
    1281 n.3. We concluded that the standing issue was neither “inex-
    tricably intertwined” with nor “necessary to ensure meaningful re-
    view” of the immunity issue because we could “resolve the quali-
    fied immunity issue in [the] case without reaching the merits of ap-
    pellants’ challenge to Moniz’s standing.” 
    Id.
     (quoting Swint, 
    514 U.S. at 50-51
    ) ; see also Summit Med., 180 F.3d at 1335 (“As in
    Moniz, we may resolve the Eleventh Amendment immunity issue
    here without reaching the merits of standing.”).
    In this case, unlike in Moniz and Summit Medical, Sheriff
    Gentry is entitled to immediate appellate review of both a denial of
    his sovereign immunity and the district court’s issuance of a per-
    manent injunction. The two remaining issues—the two that are
    not immediately appealable—are standing and failure to state a
    claim. But because a litigant requires both in order to obtain a pre-
    liminary injunction, we are permitted to exercise our pendent ap-
    pellate jurisdiction to review the entirety of the district court’s or-
    der denying Sheriff Gentry’s motion to dismiss. Indeed, without
    standing or a viable legal claim, a litigant is not entitled to a prelim-
    inary injunction. Thus, exercising our pendent appellate jurisdic-
    tion to review the standing and pleading issues, over which we do
    2 A district court’s denial of a motion to dismiss based on qualified immunity,
    like sovereign immunity, is immediately appealable. See Summit Med., 180
    F.3d at 1335 n.9.
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    not have automatic appellate jurisdiction, is “necessary to ensure
    meaningful review” of the preliminary injunction.
    In the motion to dismiss, Sheriff Gentry—despite nominally
    raising three different bases for relief—rests his argument on essen-
    tially one point: that because he is not the individual responsible
    for writing Cullman County’s bail policy or the individual bail or-
    der under the Standing Bail Order, he is not the proper defendant
    in this case. It is for this reason that Sheriff Gentry argues that he
    is entitled to sovereign immunity, that Hester fails to state a claim,
    and that Hester lacks standing. But no matter how the argument
    is framed, it fails.
    First, Sheriff Gentry is not entitled to sovereign immunity.
    To be sure, the Eleventh Amendment’s “fundamental principle of
    sovereign immunity limits the grant of judicial authority in
    Art[icle] III.” Pennhurst State Sch. & Hosp. v. Halderman, 
    465 U.S. 89
    , 98 (1984). “States may not be sued in federal court unless they
    consent to it in unequivocal terms or unless Congress, pursuant to
    a valid exercise of power, unequivocally expresses its intent to ab-
    rogate the immunity.” Green v. Mansour, 
    474 U.S. 64
    , 68 (1985).
    In Ex parte Young, however, the Supreme Court created an excep-
    tion to this general principle by holding that a suit challenging the
    constitutionality of a state official’s action in enforcing state law is
    not a suit against the state. See 
    209 U.S. at
    159–60. Instead, the law
    at issue, if found unconstitutional, is void, and therefore does not
    “impart to [the official] any immunity from responsibility to the
    supreme authority of the United States.” 
    Id. at 160
    . The Supreme
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    Court also made clear that the way to bring such a suit—the only
    way to avoid the shield of sovereign immunity—is to bring a suit
    for prospective injunctive relief against the official charged with en-
    forcing the law. See 
    id.
     at 155–56, 159. Because a state cannot au-
    thorize an official to do something that violates the Constitution, a
    state official who enforces an unconstitutional action is “stripped
    of his official or representative character and is subjected in his per-
    son to the consequences of his individual conduct.” 
    Id. at 160
    .
    Thus, a federal court has authority, under the Constitution, to
    grant “prospective injunctive relief to prevent a continuing viola-
    tion of federal law.” Green, 474 U.S. at 68.
    Sovereign immunity, however—as well as the Ex parte
    Young exception to it—generally applies only to state officials, not
    county officials. See Mt. Healthy City Sch. Dist. Bd. of Educ. v.
    Doyle, 
    429 U.S. 274
    , 280 (1977) (noting that the Eleventh Amend-
    ment does not apply to “counties and similar municipal corpora-
    tions”). It extends to county officials only when relief against them
    would drain the state treasury or the county officials have been en-
    listed to carry out state policy. See Lake Country Ests., Inc. v. Ta-
    hoe Reg’l Plan. Agency, 
    440 U.S. 391
    , 401 (1979) (noting that the
    Eleventh Amendment may bar suit against county officials “in or-
    der to protect the state treasury from liability that would have had
    essentially the same practical consequences as a judgment against
    the State itself.”). Sheriff Gentry, as the Sheriff of Cullman County,
    is not acting as a state official. Moreover, it is a county policy that
    we are reviewing, and the only relief sought is injunctive, not
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    monetary. As a result, Sheriff Gentry is not entitled to Eleventh
    Amendment sovereign immunity in the first instance, and we need
    not reach the Ex parte Young analysis.
    Admittedly, at least some portions of Hester’s challenge to
    the bail scheme implicate state law—specifically, the factors to be
    considered at a bail hearing and the timing within which that hear-
    ing must occur. But even if we were to conclude that Sheriff Gen-
    try was thereby enlisted to carry out state policy, he still would not
    be entitled to sovereign immunity under Ex parte Young. As our
    precedent makes clear:
    Personal action by defendants individually is not a
    necessary condition of injunctive relief against state
    officers in their official capacity. All that is required is
    that the official be responsible for the challenged ac-
    tion. As the Young court held, it is sufficient that the
    state officer sued must, “by virtue of his office, ha[ve]
    some connection” with the unconstitutional act or
    conduct complained of.
    Luckey v. Harris, 
    860 F.2d 1012
    , 1015–16 (11th Cir. 1988) (altera-
    tion in original) (quoting Ex parte Young, 
    209 U.S. at 157
    ). And
    here it is the Sheriff who is tasked with the portions of the Standing
    Bail Order that are relevant to the injunction—specifically, the di-
    rective to continue detaining criminal defendants after forty-eight
    hours have passed and to provide defendants with certain forms
    while in custody. He thus has “some connection” with the alleg-
    edly unconstitutional act.
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    Second, Hester has stated a plausible claim for relief against
    Sheriff Gentry, meaning that the district court rightfully rejected
    Sheriff Gentry’s arguments about plausibility and standing because
    Sheriff Gentry was properly named as a defendant. In arguing for
    dismissal on this ground, Sheriff Gentry relies on ODonnell v. Har-
    ris County, 
    892 F.3d 147
    , 163 (5th Cir. 2018), abrogated by Daves
    v. Dallas County, 
    22 F.4th 522
    (5th Cir. 2022) (en banc), for support.
    In that case, the Fifth Circuit concluded that the Sheriff was not the
    proper defendant in a § 1983 action challenging unconstitutional
    bail procedures, and that the suit was appropriately brought only
    against the county judges. See 892 F.3d at 155–56.
    The problem with Sheriff Gentry’s reliance on ODonnell 3 is
    twofold. First, ODonnell was concerned with whether the Sheriff
    was a “policymaker” under § 1983 such that municipal liability
    could attach to his actions. See id. at 156. This case, however, does
    not seek to impose municipal liability under § 1983. In this respect,
    this case is more similar to Pugh v. Rainwater, 
    483 F.2d 778
     (5th
    3 Following oral argument in this appeal, the en banc Fifth Circuit in Daves
    abrogated its decision in ODonnell. The en banc court, however, did not
    reach the standing issue as to whether the Sheriff of Dallas County was the
    proper party, leaving that issue to be considered by the en banc court follow-
    ing its limited remand on the Younger abstention issue. See Daves, 22 F.4th
    at 545.
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    Cir. 1973), 4 in which this Court allowed a constitutional challenge
    to bail to proceed against eight judges and other state officials in-
    cluding the State Attorney.
    Second, the question of whether a state official has been
    given sufficient authority to be sued under § 1983 is “a question of
    state law.” Pembaur v. City of Cincinnati, 
    475 U.S. 469
    , 483 (1986).
    ODonnell dealt with a Sheriff’s authority under Texas law, while
    this case concerns Alabama law. In Texas, as the ODonnell Court
    itself noted, the Sheriff “is legally obliged to execute all lawful pro-
    cess and cannot release prisoners committed to jail by a magis-
    trate’s warrant.” 892 F.3d at 156 (citing Tex. Code Crim. Pro. arts.
    2.13, 2.16, 2.18, and Tex. Loc. Gov’t Code § 351.041(a)). In Ala-
    bama, on the other hand, Cullman County’s Standing Bail Order
    requires the Sheriff to release criminal defendants—regardless of
    how they were arrested—after a specific time period has passed.
    See Standing Bail Order at 8 (“In the unlikely event that a defendant
    arrested for a bailable offense cannot obtain release by posting the
    bond contained in the bond schedule or set in a warrant and cannot
    be given a hearing to determine conditions of release within 72
    hours after arrest, such a defendant will be released on an appear-
    ance bond in the amount of the minimum bond set in Rule 7.2 at
    the expiration of the 72-hour period.” (emphasis added)).
    4 Opinions issued by the former Fifth Circuit prior to October 1, 1981, are
    binding precedent in our Circuit. Bonner v. City of Prichard, 
    661 F.2d 1206
    ,
    1207 (11th Cir. 1981) (en banc).
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    Additionally, in Luckey v. Harris, 
    860 F.2d 1012
     (11th Cir.
    1988), a group of indigent plaintiffs sought to challenge the lack of
    effective legal representation in Georgia’s state courts. See 
    id. at 1013
    . We allowed the suit to proceed against both the Governor
    of Georgia and a group of judges in the state— even though none
    of those defendants “personally” participated in the deprivation of
    counsel—because each of the defendants had at least “some con-
    nection” to the public-defender scheme at issue. See 
    id.
     at 1015–
    16.
    Here, as in Luckey, it is immaterial that Sheriff Gentry is not
    personally responsible for drafting the policy at issue. Because he
    has the authority, under Cullman County’s currently operative bail
    procedures, to release criminal defendants from jail after a specified
    amount of time has passed, he has a sufficient connection with the
    policy for suit to be brought against him. Thus, the district court
    was right to deny Sheriff Gentry’s motion to dismiss. Regardless
    of whether Sheriff Gentry is a state official (in which case Ex parte
    Young would allow suit) or whether he is a county official (in
    which case sovereign immunity does not apply), the Eleventh
    Amendment does not shield the Sheriff from litigation. And Hester
    has stated a viable § 1983 claim for violation of his rights under the
    equal protection and due process clauses. Hester has standing for
    these claims because his injury—not being promptly released from
    jail—is traceable to the Sheriff’s decision not to promptly release
    him from jail. Given this level of authority, we have no trouble
    concluding that Sheriff Gentry is the appropriate defendant here,
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    and we therefore conclude that his arguments for dismissal fail.
    We thus affirm the district court’s denial of the Sheriff’s motion to
    dismiss.
    C. Hester’s Motion to Dismiss the Judicial Defendants from
    this Appeal
    Finally, we reach the only motion filed directly in this Court:
    Hester’s motion to dismiss the Judicial Defendants from this appeal
    for lack of appellate jurisdiction. Hester’s argument for dismissal—
    that the Judicial Defendants may not appeal the entry of an injunc-
    tion because the injunction binds only the Sheriff—is in large part
    based on an argument that the Judicial Defendants themselves
    raised in the first instance. In response to Hester’s motion for a
    preliminary injunction, and again in this Court, the Judicial De-
    fendants argued that, as sitting judges, they are entitled to judicial
    immunity for their actions. And because, according to them, at
    least, the injunction has the practical effect of binding their actions
    and is enforceable against them through contempt, they argue that
    this Court has appellate jurisdiction over their appeal and should
    reverse the injunction based on their judicial immunity.
    Hester raises the inverse of this argument in his motion to
    dismiss before this Court. Here, he argues that the Judicial Defend-
    ants may not even appeal the injunction because no part of the in-
    junction is directed at them, and, as such, this Court lacks appellate
    jurisdiction under 
    28 U.S.C. § 1292
    (a)(1).
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    For an order to be appealable under § 1292(a)(1), it must be
    a clear and understandable directive from the district court, it must
    be enforceable through contempt proceedings if the directive is dis-
    obeyed, and it must give some or all of the substantive relief sought
    in the complaint. See Alabama v. U.S. Army Corps of Eng’rs, 
    424 F.3d 1117
    , 1128 (11th Cir. 2005); Sierra Club v. Van Antwerp, 
    526 F.3d 1353
    , 1358 (11th Cir. 2008). But to appeal an order granting
    or dissolving a preliminary injunction, “[l]itigants must establish
    their standing not only to bring claims, but also to appeal judg-
    ments.” Wolff v. Cash 4 Titles, 
    351 F.3d 1348
    , 1353 (11th Cir. 2003).
    A litigant may appeal only if he is aggrieved by the decision. 
    Id. at 1354
    . Thus, parties may lack standing to appeal trial court rulings
    that do not affect their interests. 
    Id.
    The Judicial Defendants, in an attempt to establish their
    standing to bring this appeal, make three arguments in support of
    appellate jurisdiction. They say that: (1) the injunction has the
    “practical effect” of enjoining them; (2) even if the injunction does
    not directly bind them, it is still enforceable against them through
    contempt; and (3) even if the first two arguments fail, this Court
    may exercise “pendent party appellate jurisdiction” to hear their
    appeal.
    Each of these arguments lacks merit. There is little question
    here that the injunction, by its very terms, does not require the Ju-
    dicial Defendants to do anything, and that the injunction could not
    be enforceable against the Judicial Defendants through contempt.
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    Moreover, this Court does not exercise pendent party appellate ju-
    risdiction.
    The Judicial Defendants first argue that the injunction, de-
    spite binding only the Sheriff, has the “practical effect” of enjoining
    them as well. They cite Sierra Club as support for this argument.
    But in that case, we were concerned with an altogether different
    question: whether an order that we unquestionably had appellate
    jurisdiction over was only a merits ruling or was also an injunction.
    See 
    526 F.3d at
    1358–59 (“Sierra Club points to the district court’s
    express declaration that it was not issuing an injunction, but we
    conclude this is an instance where substance should control over
    form. The district court issued commands of such specificity and
    breadth that no litigant would dare violate them. If the Miners had
    violated the commands, the district court could have initiated con-
    tempt proceedings, and it is not clear to us that the court would
    accept ‘But you said it wasn’t an injunction’ as a defense.” (citation
    omitted)). Sierra Club said nothing about the issue raised here:
    whether an injunction directed at one defendant is appealable by
    some other defendant.
    And we also note that the injunction does not have the ef-
    fect—practically or otherwise—of binding their actions. Nothing
    in the injunction prevents the Judicial Defendants from taking any
    action they wish. It orders the Sheriff to provide notice to ar-
    restees, prevents the Sheriff from continuing to hold arrestees after
    forty-eight hours, and orders the Sheriff to deliver forms to the
    Clerk of Court. No part of this injunction requires anything of the
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    Judicial Defendants. If they wish to continue scheduling bail hear-
    ings more than forty-eight hours after arrest, they may continue to
    do so. If they wish to ignore the information that the Sheriff pro-
    vides them, they may do that as well. No part of the injunction
    requires them to modify their actions in any way.
    For this same reason, the Judicial Defendants’ argument that
    the injunction is enforceable against them through contempt—as
    required for appellate jurisdiction—fails. It is true that a district
    court may hold in contempt any entity who acts in concert with an
    enjoined party to assist in violating the injunction. See Fed. R. Civ.
    P. 65. But even if the Judicial Defendants order the Sheriff to diso-
    bey the federal court’s injunction, or jail him for failing to do so,
    they would not themselves be participating in the violation of the
    injunction.
    Under the Supremacy Clause, the federal Constitution is the
    “supreme Law of the Land.” U.S. Const. art. VI, cl. 2. If faced be-
    tween the decision to obey federal law, as memorialized in the in-
    junction, and state law, as memorialized in whatever order the Ju-
    dicial Defendants issue, the choice is easy: the Sheriff must follow
    the injunction. As such, if and when the Sheriff chooses to obey
    state law over federal law, it will be his—and only his—violation of
    the injunction. The Judicial Defendants cite no case to the con-
    trary. And our conclusion that the district court may not use its
    contempt power over the Judicial Defendants is bolstered by the
    fact that this is not a question we answer on a blank slate: the dis-
    trict court has already made clear, in a written order, that it will not
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    use its contempt power against the Judicial Defendants if they
    choose to continue their current bail-setting practices. Specifically,
    the district court in its written order concluded that “[b]ecause the
    preliminary injunction does not direct the conduct of the judicial
    defendants in any manner and because this [c]ourt has no contempt
    power over the judicial defendants under the injunction, the judi-
    cial defendants are unlikely to succeed in their procedural effort to
    present their substantive arguments.” Thus, under the law-of-the-
    case doctrine, the issue has been decided. See This That & the
    Other Gift & Tobacco, Inc. v. Cobb County, 
    439 F.3d 1275
    , 1283
    (11th Cir. 2006) (noting that “the law-of-the-case doctrine bars re-
    litigation of issues that were decided either explicitly or by neces-
    sary implication”).
    Finally, the Judicial Defendants’ attempt to have their case
    heard based on the doctrine of pendent party appellate jurisdiction
    is a nonstarter as this Court does not recognize that doctrine. See
    Swint v. City of Wadley, 
    51 F.3d 988
    , 1002 (11th Cir. 1995) (“There
    is no pendent party appellate jurisdiction.”); see also Haney v. City
    of Cumming, 
    69 F.3d 1098
    , 1102 (11th Cir. 1995).
    In short, because the injunction at issue on appeal: (1) does
    not bind the Judicial Defendants on its face or in practice; (2) is not
    enforceable against the Judicial Defendants through contempt; and
    (3) because no other basis exists to exercise jurisdiction, the Judicial
    Defendants’ appeal must be dismissed. And because they will be
    excused from this lawsuit, we will not reach their arguments
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    related to judicial immunity. Those questions may be answered
    only when properly presented.
    D. The Preliminary Injunction
    Having concluded that Sheriff Gentry is the appropriate Ap-
    pellant and that the district court was right not to abstain from
    hearing the case under Younger, we now turn to the merits of the
    appeal—the injunction.
    In its written order, the district court found that Cullman
    County’s bail system violated both the Equal Protection and Due
    Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment. The district court
    concluded that the bail system impermissibly discriminated against
    the indigent by absolutely depriving them of pretrial release and by
    denying them procedural due process at their bail hearings.
    Our first task is to properly construe the nature of Hester’s
    challenge to the bail system. At oral argument, the parties disputed
    whether Hester was bringing a facial challenge to the bail system
    or an as-applied challenge to the bail system, especially as the dis-
    trict court never made clear in its order whether it was construing
    the challenge as a facial or an as-applied factual challenge. It is
    clear, however, that Hester was neither arrested nor imprisoned
    under Cullman County’s current operative bail system. And by the
    time of the hearing on the preliminary injunction, Hester had been
    released. As such, Hester cannot trace his injury to the current op-
    erative bail system, and thus may not challenge it on an as-applied
    basis. Cf. Pugh v. Rainwater, 
    572 F.2d 1053
    , 1058–59 (5th Cir. 1978)
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    (en banc) (reconstruing as-applied challenge to Florida bail rules as
    facial challenge because Florida had changed the applicable rules
    during pendency of litigation); Walker, 901 F.3d at 1267 n.13 (de-
    termining only whether the City of Calhoun’s bail scheme is fa-
    cially unconstitutional because the bail scheme was amended dur-
    ing pendency of litigation).
    Moreover, the bail system at issue had only been in place for
    sixteen days before the district court held its preliminary injunction
    hearing. Indeed, as the district court found in its order: “at the
    hearing on Mr. Hester’s motion, the defendants were able to offer
    little evidence concerning the implementation of the new policy.”
    And because a factual, as-applied challenge “asserts that a statute
    cannot be constitutionally applied in particular circumstances, it
    necessarily requires the development of a factual record for the
    court to consider.” Harris v. Mexican Specialty Foods, Inc., 
    564 F.3d 1301
    , 1308 (11th Cir. 2009). This is because an as-applied chal-
    lenge “addresses whether ‘a statute is unconstitutional on the facts
    of a particular case or to a particular party.’” 
    Id.
     (quoting Black’s
    Law Dictionary 223 (7th ed. 1999)).
    In this case, both the party—Hester—and the facts of his
    case are tied to the now-defunct bail scheme in Cullman County,
    as the new scheme had been in place only for a very short while
    before the district court ruled on its constitutionality. Construing
    Hester’s challenge as an as-applied challenge to the new bail
    scheme, given the record before us, would violate core justiciabil-
    ity principles. Hester’s lawsuit will succeed only if Cullman
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    County’s new scheme is facially unconstitutional—i.e., if Hester
    can “establish that no set of circumstances exists under which the
    [bail scheme] would be valid.” United States v. Salerno, 
    481 U.S. 739
    , 745 (1987).
    Our dissenting colleague, however, suggests that, based on
    our determination that Hester cannot trace his injury to the current
    operative bail system, as he was detained under the pre-Standing
    Bail Order bail policies that are no longer in effect, we should con-
    clude that Hester lacks standing to raise a challenge against the
    Standing Bail Order. See Dis. Op. at 9–12. But based on our bind-
    ing precedent in the nearly indistinguishable Rainwater and
    Walker cases, we conclude that, as to Hester’s facial challenge to
    the Standing Bail Order, we have jurisdiction because Hester’s
    challenge is not moot.
    It is well-established that, to establish standing, a plaintiff
    must have: “(1) suffered an injury in fact, (2) that is fairly traceable
    to the challenged conduct of the defendant, and (3) that is likely to
    be redressed by a favorable judicial decision.” Johnson v. 27th Ave.
    Caraf, Inc., 
    9 F.4th 1300
    , 1311 (11th Cir. 2021) (quoting Spokeo, Inc.
    v. Robins, 
    578 U.S. 330
    , 338 (2016)). We have long held that stand-
    ing is determined as of the time at which the plaintiff’s complaint
    is filed. Arcia v. Fla. Sec’y of State, 
    772 F.3d 1335
    , 1340 (11th Cir.
    2014); Focus on the Family v. Pinellas Suncoast Transit Auth., 
    344 F.3d 1263
    , 1275 (11th Cir. 2003); Sims v. Fla., Dep’t of Highway
    Safety & Motor Vehicles, 
    862 F.2d 1449
    , 1458–59 (11th Cir. 1989).
    Where a plaintiff establishes standing at the time he filed his
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    complaint but “[w]hen events subsequent to the commencement
    of a lawsuit create a situation in which the court can no longer give
    the plaintiff meaningful relief,” the question becomes whether the
    case is moot. Fla. Ass’n of Rehab. Facilities, Inc. v. Fla. Dep’t of
    Health & Rehab. Servs., 
    225 F.3d 1208
    , 1217 (11th Cir. 2000); see
    also Coral Springs Street Sys., Inc. v. City of Sunrise, 
    371 F.3d 1320
    ,
    1328 (11th Cir. 2004) (“Mootness can occur due to a change in cir-
    cumstances, or . . . a change in the law.”).
    When Hester moved to intervene and filed a proposed in-
    tervenor complaint in the underlying action, Hester alleged that he
    had suffered an injury in fact, i.e., his detention on a bond that he
    could not pay due to his indigent status, which he claimed was es-
    sentially an automatic detention order. This injury was fairly trace-
    able to the challenged conduct of the Defendants and would have
    likely been redressed by a favorable judicial decision—a court rul-
    ing that Cullman County’s former bail policies were unconstitu-
    tional and injunctive relief against those policies. Thus, Hester had
    standing at the time he filed his intervenor motion and proposed
    intervenor complaint.
    The question then becomes whether the Standing Bail Or-
    der issued by the presiding circuit judge of Cullman County on
    March 26, 2018—issued after Hester was granted leave to intervene
    in the case and while the case was still pending in the district
    court—renders Hester’s challenge moot or prevents him from rais-
    ing any challenge to the new Standing Bail Order policies. Under
    our binding precedent in Rainwater and Walker, we conclude that
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    the case is not moot and that we have jurisdiction to hear Hester’s
    facial challenge to the Standing Bail Order.
    For example, in Rainwater, during the pendency of the liti-
    gation, Florida adopted a new rule of criminal procedure govern-
    ing bail determinations within the state. See 
    572 F.2d at 1055, 1058
    .
    Sitting en banc, the former Fifth Circuit noted that, given the new
    rule, the record before it “reflect[ed] neither [the rule’s] interpreta-
    tion nor application by the courts of Florida,” as it contained “only
    evidence of practices under criminal procedures which predate the
    adoption of the current Florida rule.” 
    Id. at 1058
    . Although the
    court determined that “[a]s an attack on the Florida procedures
    which existed as of the time of trial, the case has lost its character
    as a present, live controversy and is therefore moot,” it nonetheless
    concluded that Florida’s new rule, “on its face,” did “not suffer such
    infirmity that its constitutional application is precluded.” 
    Id.
     The
    former Fifth Circuit further emphasized this conclusion: “We hold
    that the new Florida rule is not facially unconstitutional.” 
    Id. at 1059
    . But, as to any as-applied challenges, the court explained that
    “[f]urther adjudication . . . should await presentation of a proper
    record reflecting application by” Florida courts. See 
    id.
     at 1058–59.
    This case is virtually identical to Rainwater. As in Rainwa-
    ter, there has been almost no evidence presented as to the Standing
    Bail Order, and Hester was not detained under the new bail proce-
    dures. And, as in Rainwater, as a result of the Standing Bail Order,
    Hester’s challenge to Cullman County’s former bail procedures is
    now moot. Yet the en banc former Fifth Circuit ruled on the facial
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    challenge to the new Florida bail procedures; we likewise reach
    Hester’s facial challenge to the Standing Bail Order.
    Moreover, while our predecessor court did not expressly dis-
    cuss standing, its decision in Rainwater expressly discussed moot-
    ness, which is closely related to the standing doctrine. See Sims,
    
    862 F.2d at
    1459 (citing Warth v. Seldin, 
    422 U.S. 490
    , 499 n.10
    (1975)) (“Mootness and standing are related doctrines. Where a
    party challenges standing, the court inquires whether the plaintiff
    is entitled to relief. Where mootness is at issue, the court deter-
    mines whether judicial activity remains necessary.”). And given its
    mootness discussion, we disagree with our dissenting colleague
    that the former Fifth Circuit did not conclude it had jurisdiction to
    address the facial challenge to the new bail procedures issued dur-
    ing the pendency of that litigation. Thus, under Rainwater, Hester
    has standing to challenge the Standing Bail Order.
    Similarly, in Walker, the plaintiff was arrested and detained,
    but could not post bail. 901 F.3d at 1251. While still detained, the
    plaintiff sued the city, alleging that the city’s bail procedures were
    unconstitutional. See id. at 1251–52. The day after filing suit, the
    plaintiff was released, and while the plaintiff’s case was pending,
    the city altered the bail policies by issuing a standing bail order. Id.
    at 1252. On appeal, we concluded that the district court abused its
    discretion in enjoining the standing bail order, reaching the merits
    of the plaintiff’s claim even though he was detained under the city’s
    former bail procedures. Id. at 1269, 1272; accord id. at 1267 n.13
    (stating that the standing bail order facially passed constitutional
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    muster). In so doing, we addressed the city’s argument that the
    standing bail order, if constitutional, rendered the plaintiff’s claim
    moot. See id. at 1269–71. Specifically, the city contended that “be-
    cause a new policy has been promulgated after this litigation began,
    which supplanted the original policy, the claim against the original
    policy is now moot.” Id. at 1269.
    We found the city’s argument without merit. We explained
    that “[v]oluntary cessation of allegedly illegal conduct does not de-
    prive the tribunal of power to hear and determine the case, i.e.,
    does not make the case moot.” Id. at 1270 (quoting Flanigan’s En-
    ters., Inc. of Ga. v. City of Sandy Springs, 
    868 F.3d 1248
    , 1255 (11th
    Cir. 2017) (en banc)), abrogated on other grounds by Uzuegbunam
    v. Preczewski, 
    141 S. Ct. 792
     (2021)). Rather, the case was moot
    only if this Court had “no reasonable expectation that the chal-
    lenged practice will resume after the lawsuit is dismissed.” 
    Id.
    (quoting Flanigan’s, 868 F.3d at 1255–56). We considered three fac-
    tors to determine whether a reasonable expectation existed: (1)
    “whether the change in conduct resulted from substantial deliber-
    ation or is merely an attempt to manipulate our jurisdiction,” i.e.,
    by examining “the timing of the repeal, the procedures used in en-
    acting it, and any explanations independent of this litigation which
    may have motivated it”; (2) “whether the government’s decision to
    terminate the challenged conduct was ‘unambiguous,’” i.e.,
    “whether the actions that have been taken to allegedly moot the
    case reflect a rejection of the challenged conduct that is both per-
    manent and complete”; and (3) “whether the government has
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    consistently maintained its commitment to the new policy or leg-
    islative scheme.” Id. (quoting Flanigan’s, 868 F.3d at 1257). Based
    on our analysis of these factors, we concluded the case was not
    moot. As to the first factor, we doubted the city intended to ma-
    nipulate jurisdiction (as opposed to correcting a deficient policy)
    but explained that the city was unnecessarily secretive, as it failed
    to disclose the process to create the standing bail order. Id. at 1271.
    As for the second factor, we explained the city had not changed its
    bail policy through a legislative act; instead, a single judge had is-
    sued the new bail policy “and, while it is perhaps unlikely, we
    [could not] say that this judge might not revert to the original pol-
    icy.” Id. And as to the third factor, we concluded that it did “not
    cut strongly either way” because the implementation of the policy
    was enjoined shortly after its creation by the district court. Id.
    As in Rainwater, in Walker this Court addressed the facial
    constitutionality of the city’s new bail policy instead of determining
    that the plaintiff lacked standing. And, as to the “reasonable expec-
    tation” factors for mootness, this case has key factual similarities to
    the facts in Walker. For example, the second factor weighs against
    a finding of mootness, as the Standing Bail Order was issued by a
    single judge in Cullman County, not a legislative body. Addition-
    ally, as to the first factor, while the “unnecessarily secretive” con-
    cerns as to the creation of the new bail policy present in Walker,
    see id., are not present, other concerns weigh in favor of a finding
    against mootness, i.e., the Standing Bail Order’s issuance after Hes-
    ter intervened in the case and while the case was pending in the
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    district court. Accordingly, Walker likewise supports our determi-
    nation that we have jurisdiction to consider Hester’s challenge to
    the Standing Bail Order. 5
    Concluding we have jurisdiction, we now turn to address
    Hester’s wealth-discrimination claim.
    5 We also disagree with our dissenting colleague’s assertion that we are
    “throw[ing] out” the facts we rely on to establish jurisdiction in analyzing Hes-
    ter’s claim. Dis. Op. at 12. Our determinations on this issue are simply based
    on the undisputed background below—i.e., Hester was detained under the
    pre-Standing Bail Order, and the Standing Bail Order was issued after Hester
    was released and while he was litigating in the district court below—and how
    that background places this case jurisdictionally under the purview of Rainwa-
    ter and Walker. We also conclude that the fact that the district courts in Rain-
    water and Walker did not make factual findings on the new bail procedures,
    which is unlike the case before us (see Dis. Op. at 12–16), to be a distinction
    that does not make a difference in our conclusion that we are limited to con-
    sidering only Hester’s facial challenge to the Standing Bail Order and that we
    have jurisdiction to consider that challenge. The dissent’s attempt to distin-
    guish our precedents in Rainwater and Walker on that basis is a weak read on
    which to rely given the district court’s minimal findings of fact concerning the
    Standing Bail Order. See Docket 159 at 19 (the district court acknowledged
    that “the defendants were able to offer little evidence concerning implemen-
    tation of the new policy, but the limited evidence that the defendants did offer
    indicates that officials in Cullman County do not always comply with the writ-
    ten requirements in the new Standing Order”).
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    1. Equal Protection
    The Constitution makes clear that “[n]o State shall . . . deny
    to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the
    laws.” U.S. Const. amend. XIV, § 1. But this promise of equal pro-
    tection “must coexist with the practical necessity that most legisla-
    tion classifies for one purpose or another, with resulting disad-
    vantage to various groups or persons.” Romer v. Evans, 
    517 U.S. 620
    , 631 (1996). Accordingly, we, as a general matter, examine laws
    only to determine whether they bear a rational basis to a legitimate
    government interest. See, e.g., Williamson v. Lee Optical of Okla.,
    Inc., 
    348 U.S. 483
    , 491 (1955). Heightened scrutiny, on the other
    hand, is reserved for state laws that burden fundamental rights or
    draw lines between suspect classes. As the Supreme Court has di-
    rected, we must, in the equal protection context
    decide, first, whether [the law] operates to the disad-
    vantage of some suspect class or impinges upon a fun-
    damental right explicitly or implicitly protected by
    the Constitution, thereby requiring strict judicial
    scrutiny. . . . If [it does] not, the [law] must still be
    examined to determine whether it rationally furthers
    some legitimate, articulated state purpose and there-
    fore does not constitute an invidious discrimination
    in violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the
    Fourteenth Amendment.
    San Antonio Indep. Sch. Dist. v. Rodriguez, 
    411 U.S. 1
    , 17 (1973).
    The Supreme Court has unambiguously held that discrimi-
    nation against the indigent, without more, does not implicate a
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    suspect classification—and thus does not trigger strict scrutiny.
    See, e.g., Maher v. Roe, 
    432 U.S. 464
    , 471 (1977) (“In a sense, every
    denial of welfare to an indigent creates a wealth classification as
    compared to nonindigents who are able to pay for the desired
    goods or services. But this Court has never held that financial need
    alone identifies a suspect class for purposes of equal protection
    analysis.”); Rodriguez, 
    411 U.S. at 29
     (noting that “this Court has
    never heretofore held that wealth discrimination alone provides an
    adequate basis for invoking strict scrutiny”).
    The Supreme Court, however, has signaled that heightened
    scrutiny for claims of wealth discrimination may be appropriate in
    certain contexts. And two of those contexts have been in setting
    the terms of carceral punishment and ensuring access to judicial
    proceedings. See Jones v. Governor of Florida, 
    975 F.3d 1016
    , 1030
    (11th Cir. 2020) (en banc) (citing Bearden v. Georgia, 
    461 U.S. 660
    (1983), and Griffin v. Illinois, 
    351 U.S. 12
     (1956)). That such con-
    texts are implicated in a case, however, does not immediately re-
    quire the application of heightened scrutiny. In Rodriguez, the Su-
    preme Court explained that, in the historical cases in which height-
    ened scrutiny applied to claims of wealth discrimination, the
    individuals, or groups of individuals, who constituted
    the class discriminated against . . . shared two distin-
    guishing characteristics: because of their impecunity
    they were completely unable to pay for some desired
    benefit, and as a consequence, they sustained an ab-
    solute deprivation of a meaningful opportunity to en-
    joy that benefit.
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    411 U.S. at 20
     (emphasis added). In Walker, we similarly noted that
    [t]he sine qua non of a Bearden- or Rainwater-style
    claim . . . is that the State is treating the indigent and
    the non-indigent categorically differently. Only
    someone who can show that the indigent are being
    treated systematically worse “solely because of [their]
    lack of financial resources”—and not for some legiti-
    mate State interest—will be able to make out such a
    claim.
    901 F.3d at 1260 (alteration in original) (quoting Bearden, 
    461 U.S. at 661
    ). For heightened scrutiny to apply to a claim of wealth dis-
    crimination, then, not only must the claim arise in certain well-de-
    fined contexts that the Supreme Court has identified, but the indi-
    gent must suffer an absolute deprivation of a government benefit
    in that context due solely to their inability to pay for it. See, e.g.,
    Jones, 975 F.3d at 1055 (Lagoa, J., concurring).
    The question we must answer to resolve this appeal is thus
    whether Cullman County’s bail scheme absolutely deprives indi-
    gent arrestees of pretrial release solely because of their inability to
    pay. We begin this analysis by noting that the right to pretrial re-
    lease is not absolute. Rather, it is “conditioned upon the accused’s
    giving adequate assurance that he will stand trial and submit to sen-
    tence if found guilty.” Rainwater, 
    572 F.2d at 1057
     (quoting Stack
    v. Boyle, 
    342 U.S. 1
    , 4 (1951)). Indeed, states have “a compelling
    interest in assuring the presence at trial of persons charged with
    crime.” 
    Id. at 1056
    . At the same time, however, the accused indi-
    viduals “remain clothed with a presumption of innocence and with
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    their constitutional guarantees intact.” 
    Id.
     For this reason, the res-
    olution of “the problems concerning pretrial bail requires a delicate
    balancing of the vital interests of the state with those of the individ-
    ual.” 
    Id.
    No one disputes that Cullman County maintains a compel-
    ling interest in ensuring that pretrial detainees appear for trial and
    do not pose a risk of danger to their community while on release.
    See Ala. R. Crim P. 7.2. And Hester does not allege that his bail
    amount—or that any bail amount in Cullman County—is higher
    than necessary to satisfy those two purposes of bail. For good rea-
    son: that would be an Eighth Amendment claim under the Exces-
    sive Bail clause, and analysis under the Eighth Amendment pro-
    ceeds without reference to ability to pay. See United States v.
    James, 
    674 F.2d 886
    , 891 (11th Cir. 1982) (“The basic test for exces-
    sive bail is whether the amount is higher than reasonably necessary
    to assure the accused’s presence at trial.”). Indeed, “we have im-
    plicitly held that bail is not excessive under the Eighth Amendment
    merely because it is unaffordable.” Walker, 901 F.3d at 1258.
    Here, we conclude that indigent pretrial detainees in Cull-
    man County are not discriminated against solely based on their in-
    ability to pay, and neither do they suffer an absolute deprivation of
    a meaningful opportunity to obtain pretrial release. On this point,
    we reiterate that bail serves an important purpose. By the posting
    of bail, the accused has made a showing—a financial sacrifice—that
    he will appear for his trial. Thus, the indigent and the non-indigent
    arrestees are not on equal footing—only the latter has made a
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    showing that he will appear for his trial, and he has made that
    showing by satisfying the terms of Cullman County’s master bail
    schedule. See Rainwater, 
    572 F.2d at 1057
     (approving of the
    “[u]tilization of a master bond schedule”). In this way, pretrial de-
    tainees who do not secure immediate release are not being discrim-
    inated against due to inability to pay—they are being discriminated
    against for failure to ensure in the first instance their future appear-
    ance at trial.
    Although an indigent arrestee cannot secure his immediate
    release by satisfying the terms of the master bond schedule, the
    Standing Bail Order guarantees indigent arrestees an initial appear-
    ance and bail hearing before a circuit judge. At the bail hearing,
    the judge is tasked with assessing the accused’s indigency, flight
    risk, and likelihood of appearing at trial. See Ala. R. Crim. P. 7.2(a).
    The Standing Bail Order makes clear, however, that the judge must
    impose the least onerous condition that will assure the purposes of
    bail are satisfied:
    The Court will not require a defendant to post a se-
    cured appearance bond that the defendant cannot af-
    ford to post, or a secured appearance bond in an
    amount less than that contained in the bond schedule
    that the defendant can afford to post, if there is a less
    onerous condition that would assure the defendant’s
    appearance or minimize risk to the public.
    The Standing Bail Order thus adopts a presumption against money
    bail, that an indigent arrestee cannot afford, at individualized bail
    hearings. At the hearing, the judge may impose a secured
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    appearance bond on the accused only if the judge determines that
    there is no less onerous method of ensuring the accused’s appear-
    ance at trial. This is not discrimination against the indigent. All
    arrestees are presumptively entitled to pretrial release as soon as
    they make a showing that they will appear at trial—either by post-
    ing bail or by appearing at a hearing and attempting to show
    through other means that they will appear at trial.
    Our caselaw amply supports the conclusion that Cullman
    County’s bail system does not unconstitutionally discriminate
    against the indigent. Indeed, this Court has already applied the
    Bearden wealth-discrimination framework to the bail context on
    two separate occasions. In Rainwater, this Court was tasked with
    deciding whether “in the case of indigents, equal protection stand-
    ards require a presumption against money bail.” 
    572 F.2d at 1056
    .
    And in Walker, this Court analyzed “what process the Constitution
    requires in setting bail for indigent arrestees.” 901 F.3d at 1251. In
    both cases, this Court upheld the constitutionality of money bail
    against constitutional challenges.
    In an earlier Pugh v. Rainwater decision, our predecessor
    court decided the narrow issue of “whether the imprisonment of
    an indigent prior to trial solely because he cannot afford to pay
    money bail violates his right to equal protection under the Four-
    teenth Amendment.” See 
    557 F.2d 1189
    , 1192 (5th Cir. 1977), va-
    cated in part on reh’g en banc, 
    572 F.2d 1053
     (5th Cir. 1978) (en
    banc). The plaintiffs, a class of pretrial detainees, sued a group of
    judges and state officials to enjoin the pretrial detention of arrestees
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    without a determination of probable cause and the pretrial deten-
    tion of indigent arrestees solely because they could not post money
    bail. 
    Id. at 1193
    . This Court, rehearing the case en banc, acknowl-
    edged the “principle that imprisonment solely because of indigent
    status is invidious discrimination and not constitutionally permissi-
    ble.” 
    572 F.2d at 1056
    . At the same time, however, the Court noted
    the delicate balance of the competing interests at play: “Florida has
    a compelling interest in assuring the presence at trial of persons
    charged with crime. Yet such individuals remain clothed with a
    presumption of innocence and with their constitutional guarantees
    intact.” 
    Id.
     (footnote omitted).
    During the Rainwater litigation, Florida passed a new Rule
    of Criminal Procedure that governed bail determinations in the
    state: Rule 3.130(b)(4). See 
    id. at 1055
    ; see also In re Fla. Rules of
    Crim. Proc., 
    272 So. 2d 65
    , 82 (Fla. 1972), amended sub nom., In re
    Fla. Rules of Crim. Proc., Amends. to Rules 3.140 & 3.170, 
    272 So. 2d 513
     (Fla. 1973) (adopting new rules of criminal procedure, in-
    cluding Rule 3.130(b)(4), “Hearing at First Appearance”). Under
    that new rule, Florida mandated that judges consider “all relevant
    factors” in determining “what form of release is necessary to assure
    the defendant’s appearance.” Id. at 1058 (quoting Rule 3.130(b)(4)).
    And this Court interpreted the Rule to require the judge to impose
    the least onerous condition that would assure the defendant’s ap-
    pearance at trial. Id. at 1058 n.8.
    This Court said that the record “contain[ed] only evidence
    of practices under criminal procedures which predate the adoption
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    of the current Florida rule.” Id. Thus, it determined that “[a]s an
    attack on the Florida procedures which existed as of the time of
    trial, the case ha[d] lost its character as a present, live controversy
    and [was] therefore moot.” Id. The en banc Court proceeded—as
    we do here—to assess only whether the new scheme was constitu-
    tional on its face. See id. at 1058–59. As relevant here, the Court
    said that “[t]he demands of equal protection of the laws and of due
    process prohibit depriving pre-trial detainees of the rights of other
    citizens to a greater extent than necessary to assure appearance at
    trial and security of the jail.” Id. at 1057 (quoting Rhem v. Mal-
    colm, 
    507 F.2d 333
    , 336 (2d Cir. 1974)). Therefore, “[t]he incarcer-
    ation of those who cannot” meet a master bond schedule’s require-
    ments, “without meaningful consideration of other possible alter-
    natives, [would infringe] on both due process and equal protection
    requirements.” 
    Id.
     Ultimately, the Rainwater en banc Court found
    that Florida’s bail system met this test. In Florida, indigent ar-
    restees who could not afford to post bail were given a bail hearing
    at which all relevant factors for bail would be considered and the
    judge was required to impose the least onerous condition on re-
    lease that would satisfy the purposes of bail. That system, the Court
    said, passed constitutional muster. See 
    id.
    In Walker, the plaintiff, alleged that the City of Calhoun,
    Georgia, followed a policy of using a secured-money bail schedule
    that, in some cases, would jail people before trial for inordinate
    amounts of time. 901 F.3d at 1252. Because Walker was arrested
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    on the Monday before Labor Day, for example, he waited eleven
    days before receiving his bail hearing. Id.
    Shortly after the lawsuit was filed, the City of Calhoun al-
    tered the prevailing bail policy by issuing a new standing bail order
    that adopted a bail schedule and guaranteed that defendants would
    be brought to court within forty-eight hours of arrest. Id. The new
    standing order also guaranteed indigent arrestees a public defender
    at the bail hearing and adopted a standard of indigency that was
    commensurate with the federal poverty guidelines. Id. If the ar-
    restee was found indigent at the bail hearing, he would be released
    without paying any bail and, if no hearing was held within forty-
    eight hours, he would be released on a recognizance bond. Id. “In
    summary,” this Court noted that
    the Standing Bail Order envisions three forms of re-
    lease depending on the type of offense charged and
    the financial means of the arrestee. First, arrestees
    charged with State offenses within the Municipal
    Court’s jurisdiction will be released immediately on a
    secured bond if they are able and willing to deposit
    money bail in the amount set by the bail schedule.
    They can post cash bail themselves or use a commer-
    cial surety at twice the amount set by the bail sched-
    ule. Second, arrestees charged with State offenses
    who do not post bail immediately must wait for a bail
    hearing with court-appointed counsel, to take place
    within 48 hours from arrest. Those who can prove
    they are indigent at the hearing will be released on a
    recognizance bond—meaning no bail amount is set,
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    either secured or unsecured. Third, all arrestees
    charged with violating City ordinances will be re-
    leased on unsecured bond, meaning that they need
    deposit no collateral immediately but will be assessed
    the bail schedule amount if they fail subsequently to
    appear in court.
    Id. at 1252–53.
    The Walker Court next turned to the appropriate level of
    scrutiny, summarizing the relevant Bearden principles as follows:
    The sine qua non of a Bearden- or Rainwater-style
    claim, then, is that the State is treating the indigent
    and the non-indigent categorically differently. Only
    someone who can show that the indigent are being
    treated systematically worse “solely because of [their]
    lack of financial resources”—and not for some legiti-
    mate State interest—will be able to make out such a
    claim.
    Id. at 1260 (quoting Bearden, 
    461 U.S. at 661
    ); see also Rodriguez,
    
    411 U.S. at 20
     (“The individuals, or group of individuals, who con-
    stituted the class discriminated against in our prior cases shared
    two distinguishing characteristics: because of their impecunity they
    were completely unable to pay for some desired benefit, and as a
    consequence, they sustained an absolute deprivation of a meaning-
    ful opportunity to enjoy that benefit.”).
    Citing Rodriguez, the Walker Court noted that an indigent
    had to show an absolute deprivation of a benefit in order for
    Bearden’s level of heightened scrutiny to apply. 901 F.3d at 1261–
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    62. It concluded that the indigent arrestees did not satisfy that
    standard; the plaintiffs did not suffer an absolute deprivation be-
    cause they “merely” had to “wait some appropriate amount of time
    to receive the same benefit as the more affluent. Indeed, after such
    delay, they arguably receive[d] preferential treatment, in at least
    one respect, by being released on recognizance without having to
    provide any security. Id. Such a scheme does not trigger height-
    ened scrutiny.” Id.; cf. Jones, 975 F.3d at 1056 (Lagoa, J., concur-
    ring) (noting that a scheme that provides indigents alternative ave-
    nues to the attainment of a state-created benefit does not constitute
    an absolute deprivation).
    After concluding that the indigents did not qualify for
    Bearden scrutiny—because they merely had to wait a brief period
    of time to obtain their release at a hearing and were thus not de-
    prived of it absolutely—the Walker Court concluded that
    Walker failed to make the necessary showing that he
    is likely to succeed on the merits of his claim that the
    Standing Bail order is unconstitutional. Neither the
    48-hour window for a bail determination nor the use
    of an adversarial bail hearing in lieu of an affidavit-
    based process runs afoul of the Constitution.
    901 F.3d at 1269.
    The district court here was not blind to the existence of
    Walker and Rainwater. It examined both cases in its analysis and
    concluded that neither compelled a finding that the bail system in
    Cullman County was constitutional. It instead found that two
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    salient differences between Walker and this case obligated the op-
    posite result—that Cullman County operates its bail system in an
    unconstitutional manner. We turn to those differences now.
    First, in Walker, the bail order guaranteed a bail hearing to
    all criminal defendants who could not post bond within forty-eight
    hours. Id. at 1252. This was vitally important to the Walker Court,
    both because the Supreme Court in County of Riverside v.
    McLaughlin, 
    500 U.S. 44
    , 56 (1991), held that forty-eight hours was
    an appropriate period of time within which to hold probable cause
    determinations and because the Fifth Circuit, in ODonnell, im-
    ported that forty-eight-hour rule into the bail context. See Walker,
    901 F.3d at 1266–67.
    Second, and just as important, the bail order in Walker guar-
    anteed indigent arrestees release on a recognizance bond immedi-
    ately upon proving their indigency. See id. at 1252 (“If the court
    finds that the defendant is indigent under that standard, ‘then
    he/she shall be subject to release on recognizance without making
    a secured bail.’ If no hearing is held within 48 hours, ‘then the ac-
    cused shall be released on a recognizance bond.’”). In other words,
    the only purpose of the bail hearing in the City of Calhoun was to
    determine whether the arrestee was indigent in reference to federal
    poverty guidelines.
    In this case, however, indigent arrestees in Cullman County
    are entitled to a hearing within seventy-two hours and they are not
    released immediately upon a finding of indigency. Rather, at their
    initial bail hearings, they must show not only that they are indigent,
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    but also that they are not a flight risk or a danger to the community.
    But neither of these differences—neither the wait of only forty-
    eight hours rather than seventy-two hours nor the additional con-
    siderations of flight risk and danger—compel a departure from the
    holdings of Walker and Rainwater, and the district court was
    wrong to conclude otherwise.
    First, as to the forty-eight-hour requirement, the district
    court seemed to conclude that Walker established a bright-line rule
    that a bail hearing must be held within forty-eight hours, not sev-
    enty-two hours as guaranteed by Cullman County’s Standing Bail
    Order. But Walker did nothing of the sort. True, the Walker court
    found a bail system constitutional because it provided for hearings
    within forty-eight hours. But that timeframe was merely because
    the system under consideration imposed that deadline not because
    the court mandated it. Thus, the Walker decision did not establish
    a bright-line rule. Instead, the Court concluded that a forty-eight-
    hour deadline was “presumptively constitutional.” Walker, 901
    F.3d at 1266; see also id. at 1267 n.13 (“We are satisfied that
    McLaughlin establishes at least a 48-hour presumptive safe harbor
    for making bail determinations without deciding if that safe harbor
    extends longer.”). Rather, it was the Fifth Circuit, in ODonnell,
    that concluded federal due process rights guaranteed a bail deter-
    mination within forty-eight hours. 892 F.3d at 160 (“We conclude
    that the federal due process right entitles detainees to a hearing
    within 48 hours.”).
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    But the Eleventh Circuit was no longer part of the Fifth
    when ODonnell was decided, 6 and we are thus free to conclude
    otherwise. And there are good reasons to do so. In the federal
    criminal system, for example, a district court is free to delay a bail
    hearing for arrestees that pose a flight risk or other enumerated fac-
    tors by three days after an arrestee’s initial appearance—and that
    does not include intervening weekends and holidays. See 
    18 U.S.C. § 3142
    (f)(2) (“The hearing shall be held immediately . . . unless that
    person, or the attorney for the Government, seeks a continuance.
    Except for good cause, a continuance on motion . . . of the attorney
    for the Government may not exceed three days (not including any
    intermediate Saturday, Sunday, or legal holiday).”). Upon a show-
    ing of good cause, the bail hearing may be scheduled even more
    than three days after the initial appearance. See 
    id.
    More importantly, the forty-eight-hour window within
    which the Supreme Court has mandated probable cause determi-
    nations to be held, and which the Fifth Circuit imported into the
    bail context, serves a fundamentally distinct purpose from the set-
    ting of bail. A probable cause finding determines whether the gov-
    ernment has a basis to hold a criminal defendant in the first in-
    stance—i.e., whether the state may detain him at all. See Gerstein,
    6As the dissenting opinion recognizes, ODonnell is no longer good law in the
    Fifth Circuit. Dis.Op. at 41. While it is true that the en banc Fifth Circuit did
    not reach the merits of ODonnell’s analysis of the challenge to the bail system,
    see Daves, 22 F.4th at 528 (“Our decision today does not reach the merits.”),
    we disagree with that analysis, as explained in our decision.
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    420 U.S. at
    124–25 (“Whatever procedure a State may adopt, it
    must provide a fair and reliable determination of probable cause as
    a condition for any significant pretrial restraint of liberty.” (empha-
    sis added)). As a matter of logic, this threshold showing that a State
    has the ability to arrest and detain a criminal defendant should have
    to be made before the State determines the terms of pretrial re-
    lease. Though, of course, as a matter of efficiency, it may make
    sense to hold both at the same time. See McLaughlin, 
    500 U.S. at 58
    . Ultimately, where the constitutional line must be drawn is a
    question for a separate case. Here, we simply must determine
    whether the seventy-two-hour deadline before us is facially uncon-
    stitutional, and we are satisfied that it is not.
    Second, the fact that indigent defendants in Cullman County
    must show that they are not a flight risk or danger to the commu-
    nity in order to secure release, while the defendants in the City of
    Calhoun were released immediately upon proving their indigency,
    is not constitutionally significant. Nowhere in Walker did we sug-
    gest that this additional showing would somehow result in a con-
    stitutional infirmity. In fact, we made clear that the City of Cal-
    houn took it upon itself to subject indigent arrestees to better treat-
    ment than affluent arrestees. See 901 F.3d at 1261–62 (explaining
    that after delay indigents experienced waiting for their hearing,
    “they arguably receive preferential treatment, in at least one re-
    spect, by being released on recognizance without having to provide
    any security” and that “[s]uch scheme does not trigger heightened
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    scrutiny under the Supreme Court’s equal protection jurispru-
    dence.”)
    It may go without saying, but the Equal Protection Clause
    does not mandate that the indigent receive preferential treatment.
    In fact, “at least where wealth is involved, the Equal Protection
    Clause does not require absolute equality or precisely equal ad-
    vantages.” Rodriguez, 
    411 U.S. at 24
    . Cullman County, however,
    has chosen to place all arrestees on equal footing: all are released as
    soon as they are able to show that they are not a flight risk or dan-
    ger to the community. The affluent satisfy this requirement by
    posting bail; the indigent do so by making what, in the eyes of the
    County, is an equal showing 7—appearing at a hearing where a
    judge determines their indigency, their danger level, and flight risk.
    We do not believe that the difference between the hearing
    in Walker and the hearing in this case—that, in addition to showing
    indigency, an arrestee here also has to show that he is not a flight
    risk or danger to the public—is constitutionally significant. Once
    7 Although we acknowledge that posting bail is not the equivalent of a judge’s
    finding that an arrestee is not a danger to the public, the procedures do account
    for the danger factor in that law enforcement is expected to file a “Bail Request
    Form” to avoid the release of any arrestee who might be a danger to the pub-
    lic. Although that too is not a precise equivalent of the hearing that the indi-
    gent undergo, it is consistent with the laudable goal of promoting prompt re-
    lease where feasible and consistent with the safety of the public. We therefore
    conclude that the hearing provided for in the instant Standing Bail Order is a
    “constitutionally permissible secondary option.” See Walker, 901 F.3d at 1260.
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    the arrestee is temporarily detained pending a hearing to determine
    indigency, as in Walker, it is eminently reasonable to also deter-
    mine in that same hearing the flight risk and danger issues. Indeed,
    our Walker and Rainwater decisions provide strong support for the
    propriety of the more encompassing hearing provided for in the
    instant Standing Bail Order. In Walker, we described Rainwater as
    holding:
    [T]he court approved the “[u]tilization of a master
    bond schedule” without applying any heightened
    form of scrutiny. It explained that a bond schedule
    “provides speedy and convenient release for those
    who have no difficulty in meeting its requirements.”
    Of course, if the bond schedule provided “speedy” re-
    lease to those who can meet its requirements, it nec-
    essarily provided less speedy release to those who
    could not. Nevertheless, the Rainwater court upheld
    the scheme because it gave indigent defendants who
    could not satisfy the master bond schedule a constitu-
    tionally permissible secondary option: a bail hearing
    at which the judge could consider “all relevant fac-
    tors” when deciding the conditions of release.
    901 F.3d at 1260 (second alteration in original) (internal citations
    omitted) (quoting Rainwater, 
    572 F.2d at
    1057–58). The hearing
    provided for in the procedures at issue in Rainwater were not sub-
    stantially different from the hearing provided for in the instant
    Standing Bail Order. Thus, contrary to the position put forth by
    Hester and the district court, we cannot conclude that the
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    additional consideration of flight risk and danger at the hearing is
    constitutionally significant.
    It is important to reiterate here that bail serves a purpose,
    and that purpose is not punitive. Bail is a liberty preserving de-
    vice—it balances the community’s interest in security and the de-
    fendant’s interest in liberty by allowing that defendant to “deposit
    . . . a sum of money subject to forfeiture,” which serves as “assur-
    ance of the presence of an accused” at trial. Stack, 342 U.S. at 5.
    Since before the days of the Magna Carta, society has used the post-
    ing of surety as a mechanism for the accused to secure their pre-
    trial release. See Brief for Am. Bail Coal. & Ga. Ass’n of Prof’l
    Bondsmen as Amici Curiae Supporting Appellants at 6–8, Hester v.
    Gentry (No. 18-13894). So those who can post bail, and those who
    cannot, are separated by more than wealth. Only the former group
    has shown that the purposes of bail have been satisfied.
    We thus will not hold that requiring indigent arrestees to
    appear for a hearing and make a showing of their flight risk and
    danger to the community mandates heightened scrutiny under
    Bearden’s framework of equal protection. The indigent may ob-
    tain release upon a showing that they can satisfy the purposes of
    bail, by allowing a judge to make written findings about their flight
    risk and danger to the community. Thus, the Rodriguez frame-
    work mandates that only rational basis review applies to the bail
    system. See 
    411 U.S. at 17
     (providing the “framework for our anal-
    ysis” requires a court to first determine whether a system “operates
    to the disadvantage of some suspect class or impinges upon a
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    fundamental right explicitly or implicitly protected by the Consti-
    tution, thereby requiring strict judicial scrutiny,” and, if not, to ap-
    ply rational basis review); see also McGinnis v. Royster, 
    410 U.S. 263
    , 269–70 (1973) (evaluating a claim that good-time-credit
    scheme that benefitted the wealthy who were able to afford bail
    violated equal protection under rational basis); ODonnell v.
    Goodhart, 
    900 F.3d 220
    , 226 (5th Cir. 2018) (“An Equal Protection
    Claim that an indigent ‘person spends more time incarcerated than
    a wealthier person’ is reviewed for a rational basis.” (quoting Doyle
    v. Elsea, 
    658 F.2d 512
    , 518 (7th Cir. 1981))), abrogated by Daves, 
    22 F.4th 522
    ; Smith v. U.S. Parole Comm’n, 
    752 F.2d 1056
    , 1059 (5th
    Cir. 1985) (same); Doyle, 
    658 F.2d at 518
     (evaluating a claim that
    indigents spend more time in prison than the wealthy only for ra-
    tional basis).
    Under rational basis review, laws must be rationally related
    to a legitimate government interest.” Vance v. Bradley, 
    440 U.S. 93
    , 97 (1979) (quoting Mass. Bd. of Ret. v. Murgia, 
    427 U.S. 307
    , 312
    (1976). Laws “must be upheld against equal protection challenge
    if there is any reasonably conceivable state of facts that could pro-
    vide a rational basis for the classification” drawn by the law. See
    FCC v. Beach Commc’ns, Inc., 
    508 U.S. 307
    , 313 (1993). “[W]e will
    not overturn such a statute unless the varying treatment of differ-
    ent groups or persons is so unrelated to the achievement of any
    combination of legitimate purposes that we can only conclude that
    the legislature’s actions were irrational.” Vance, 
    440 U.S. at 97
    .
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    Here, we conclude that Cullman County’s bail system satis-
    fies rational basis review. As we held in Rainwater, states maintain
    not only a legitimate but a “compelling interest in assuring the pres-
    ence at trial of persons charged with crime.” 
    572 F.2d at 1056
    . And
    Cullman County’s bail system is rationally related to that interest—
    requiring defendants to post surety will result in more of those de-
    fendants appearing for trial.
    Ultimately, this case falls firmly within the purview of Rain-
    water. Here, as in Rainwater, only arrestees who have the means
    to post bail are immediately released. Those who are not so able
    are held for a brief time period before appearing at an individual-
    ized bail hearing. At both the hearing in Rainwater and the hearing
    here, the judge will consider all relevant factors and must impose
    the least onerous condition of release that will satisfy the purposes
    of bail—i.e., a secured appearance bond may be imposed on the
    indigent only if it is the only method that will assure the presence
    of that criminal defendant at trial. 8 In Rainwater, we held that this
    8 The Standing Bail Order’s explicit memorialization of this “least onerous con-
    dition” requirement separates Cullman County’s bail system from those
    which courts have held (or suggested) were constitutionally infirm. For ex-
    ample, in Rainwater, we noted that the mechanistic application of a bail sched-
    ule, “without meaningful consideration of other possible alternatives,” would
    violate the Supreme Court’s wealth-discrimination jurisprudence by automat-
    ically imposing money bail on those who are unable to afford it. 
    572 F.2d at 1057
    ; see also In re Humphrey, 
    482 P.3d 1008
    , 1018 (Cal. 2021) (collecting
    cases). Here, however, judges must consider an arrestee’s financial situation
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    scheme was constitutional, and we reiterate that holding now. And
    Walker likewise supports our holding. Accordingly, we reject this
    claim.
    2. Due Process
    The district court also concluded that Cullman County’s bail
    procedures violate arrestees’ rights of procedural and substantive
    due process. In this respect, the district court identified four prob-
    lems with Cullman County’s system: (1) the lack of adequate notice
    of the factors to be considered in setting bail; (2) the lack of a guar-
    anteed opportunity to be heard; (3) the lack of a uniform eviden-
    tiary standard to be used in denying bail; and (4) the lack of detailed
    factual findings. To remedy these supposed deficiencies, the dis-
    trict court directed the Sheriff of Cullman County to immediately
    release all bail-eligible criminal defendants from pretrial confine-
    ment unless it was prepared to submit a bail request for that de-
    fendant; if such a request was submitted, to inform the defendant—
    both orally and in writing—that a judge would have to find by clear
    and convincing evidence at an initial appearance that he was a flight
    risk or a danger to the community in order to be detained and to
    draft a new questionnaire to provide to the defendants, which
    would elicit further information regarding flight risk and danger to
    the community; to immediately release all criminal defendants if
    they did not receive an initial appearance within forty-eight hours
    during his individualized bail hearing and may require money bail only if no
    less onerous condition of release would ensure his appearance at trial.
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    of arrest; to provide criminal defendants with liaison deputies who
    would assist them in filling out the new questionnaire; and to pro-
    vide criminal defendants with an affidavit form in which the de-
    fendants could provide information about their financial means.
    Despite nominally resting on the doctrines of both proce-
    dural due process and substantive due process, the district court did
    not significantly rely on the latter for any of its findings. Indeed, it
    discussed few substantive due process cases in its analysis, did not
    identify any fundamental right at issue, and did not seek to provide
    a remedy for any substantive due process violation.
    This is unsurprising, as our precedent makes clear that the
    substantive due process claim is a nonstarter. Although in Salerno,
    the Supreme Court recognized that “[i]n our society liberty is the
    norm, and detention prior to trial or without trial is the carefully
    limited exception,” it also stated that an arrestee may be incarcer-
    ated before trial “if he presents a risk of flight or a danger to wit-
    nesses.” 
    481 U.S. at 749, 755
     (internal citation omitted). And the
    Supreme Court ultimately permitted even preventive detention if
    the arrestee “pose[s] a threat to the safety of individuals or to the
    community which no condition of release can dispel.” 
    Id. at 755
    .
    In Walker, this Court analyzed Salerno and concluded that
    it was a procedural due process case, not a substantive due process
    case. 901 F.3d at 1262–65. Pretrial detainees have no fundamental
    right to pretrial release. If they did, bail itself would be unconstitu-
    tional. But, of course, it is not—Salerno said as much. And Hester
    cannot “avoid the Supreme Court’s holding [in Salerno] by
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    smuggling a substantive due process claim into the Equal Protec-
    tion Clause.” Id. at 1264–65; see also Goodhart, 900 F.3d at 228
    (“The grant of automatic release smuggles in a substantive remedy
    via a procedural harm. That goes too far.”).
    Each of the district court’s findings do, however, fit squarely
    within the rubric of procedural due process. Procedural due pro-
    cess “encompasses . . . a guarantee of fair procedure.” Zinermon
    v. Burch, 
    494 U.S. 113
    , 125 (1990). In due process analyses, “[t]he
    fundamental requirement of due process is the opportunity to be
    heard ‘at a meaningful time and in a meaningful man-
    ner.’” Mathews v. Eldridge, 
    424 U.S. 319
    , 333 (1976) (quoting Arm-
    strong v. Manzo, 
    380 U.S. 545
    , 552 (1965)). Due process “is not a
    technical conception with a fixed content unrelated to time, place
    and circumstances,” but rather is “flexible” and “requires analysis
    of the governmental and private interests that are affected.” Id. at
    334 (first quoting Cafeteria Workers v. McElroy, 
    367 U.S. 886
    , 895
    (1961) then quoting Morrissey v. Brewer, 
    408 U.S. 471
    , 481 (1972)).
    Thus, a standard analysis under the Due Process Clause proceeds
    in two steps: “We first ask whether there exists a liberty or property
    interest of which a person has been deprived, and if so we ask
    whether the procedures followed by the State were constitution-
    ally sufficient.” Swarthout v. Cooke, 
    562 U.S. 216
    , 219 (2011). Dur-
    ing that second step, we are guided by the balancing test of
    Mathews, in which we look to the nature of the private interest
    affected, the risk of erroneous deprivation, the value of additional
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    safeguards, and the government’s interest, including any burdens.
    See 
    424 U.S. at 335
    .
    In the pretrial detention context, procedural due process re-
    quires that the procedures used be “adequate to authorize the pre-
    trial detention of at least some [persons] charged with crimes,”
    whether or not they might be insufficient in some other circum-
    stances. Salerno, 
    481 U.S. at 751
     (alteration in original) (quoting
    Schall v. Martin, 
    467 U.S. 253
    , 264 (1984)). Answering that question
    requires “[t]wo separate inquiries”: “First, does preventive deten-
    tion . . . serve a legitimate state objective? And, second, are the
    procedural safeguards . . . adequate to authorize the pretrial deten-
    tion[?]” Schall, 
    467 U.S. at
    263–64 (citations omitted).
    There is no question about the first inquiry. As we said in
    Rainwater, states maintain not only a legitimate, but a “compelling
    interest in assuring the presence at trial of persons charged with
    crime.” 
    572 F.2d at 1056
    . The question thus becomes whether the
    procedural safeguards used by Cullman County are “adequate to
    authorize the pretrial detention.”
    Ultimately, we conclude—as the Supreme Court did in both
    Schall and Salerno—that the procedures presented to us pass that
    test, as “there is nothing inherently unattainable about a prediction
    of future criminal conduct.” See Salerno, 
    481 U.S. at 751
     (quoting
    Schall, 
    467 U.S. at 278
    ). Or, more specifically, that there is nothing
    “inherently unattainable about a prediction” of flight risk or danger
    to the community.
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    Cullman County’s procedures are specifically designed to
    further the accuracy of the danger to the community and flight risk
    inquiries. Before arrestees in Cullman County have their bail set
    (or are denied bail), they are presented with two forms that aid the
    judge in making a bail determination: an “Affidavit of Substantial
    Hardship,” and a “Release Questionnaire.” In the Release Ques-
    tionnaire, the arrestee can provide information about his residence,
    employment, family situation, health, and criminal history for the
    purpose of ascertaining information that might be relevant to a pre-
    trial release. It also asks for the contact information of his nearest
    living relatives, who may vouch for his character. In the Hardship
    Affidavit, the arrestee can provide information about his employ-
    ment, assistance benefits, income, expenses, and assets. These two
    forms, collectively, provide pretrial detainees notice of the hearing
    to take place and give them an opportunity to present information
    relevant to the bail determination.
    After these forms are filled out, they are presented to the
    bail-setting judge, who is guided by fourteen statutorily enumer-
    ated factors in making his decision on bail. See Ala. R. Crim. P.
    7.2(a). These factors include inquiries into the defendant’s charac-
    ter, criminal record, community standing, and employment his-
    tory—each directed at ascertaining how likely it is the defendant
    will take flight before his next appearance. Cullman County’s form
    order—titled, “Order On Initial Appearance and Bond Hearing”—
    includes these fourteen factors, and also provides the bail-setting
    judge with a fifteenth factor, “Other,” where the judge can
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    enumerate any case-specific consideration that was not adequately
    represented in the enumerated factors.
    At the bail hearing, the judge must give “the Defendant the
    opportunity to make a statement regarding his/her ability to post
    the bond currently set in this matter.” 9 And if the judge deter-
    mines, after considering the relevant factors, that the setting of bail
    is the least onerous condition that will ensure that the purposes of
    bail are satisfied, the judge must notate which of the fifteen factors
    relevant to the bail determination led him to that conclusion. 10
    9 The district court took issue with the Standing Bail Order’s pronouncement
    that the court “may elicit testimony about the defendant’s financial condi-
    tion.” The district court concluded that this rendered the procedure constitu-
    tionally deficient, in that it did not guarantee arrestees the opportunity to be
    heard at their bail hearings. But this clause is capable of a constitutional con-
    struction—i.e., the court may elicit testimony if the defendant seeks to offer
    it. And indeed, the scant evidence presented on the issue is consistent with
    this interpretation. The form order that judges must complete after the hear-
    ing makes clear that they are to give arrestees the opportunity to speak. And
    as the district court itself admitted, the only judge who testified on the mat-
    ter—Judge Turner—made clear that he always speaks with arrestees at their
    bail hearing, and the “record does not indicate whether other judges in Cull-
    man County” deny arrestees that right. Given the forms and record presented,
    there is simply no basis to presume that arrestees in Cullman County are de-
    nied an opportunity to be heard.
    10 The district court also took issue with the form order used by judges in Cull-
    man County, preferring instead that the judges announce their findings orally
    on the record. But most of the factors Alabama requires judges to consider
    refer to binary propositions that either are or are not present in the arrestee’s
    case. Requiring judges to make oral findings, which would require the order-
    ing of a transcript before review, would inject unnecessary procedural
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    After the hearing, arrestees—if unhappy with their bail de-
    termination—are entitled to file a motion to reduce their bond,
    which may be granted upon a showing of mere “good cause.” See
    Ala. R. Crim. P. 7.4(b). And indigent arrestees are entitled to the
    aid of counsel in the filing of that motion.
    These safeguards are sufficient, and they are similar to the
    procedures that the Supreme Court found “extensive” and “more
    exacting” than necessary in Salerno. There, the Supreme Court
    was tasked with assessing the constitutionality of the Bail Reform
    Act. Salerno, 
    481 U.S. at
    751–52. The Supreme Court noted that
    detainees had the right to counsel at the detention hearing and
    were permitted to testify, that the judicial officers were guided by
    statutorily enumerated factors relevant to the determination and
    had to find that bail was necessary by clear and convincing evi-
    dence and detail their findings in a written order, and, finally, that
    detainees were entitled to appellate review of the detention deci-
    sion. See 
    id.
     The Supreme Court determined that these proce-
    dures were “extensive,” “more exacting” than necessary, and “far
    exceed[ed] what [it] found necessary to effect limited postarrest de-
    tention” in other cases. 
    Id. at 752
    .
    complication into the process. Cf. McLaughlin, 
    500 U.S. at 53
     (noting that
    defendants might be disserved by adding procedural complexity into the al-
    ready complicated pretrial system); ODonnell, 892 F.3d at 160 (“We decline to
    hold that the Constitution requires the County to produce 50,000 written
    opinions per year to satisfy due process.”).
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    The differences between Salerno and this case are not so dif-
    ferent as to warrant a departure from that holding. The only salient
    differences are that detainees in Cullman County are not entitled
    to counsel at their initial bail hearing and that judges in Cullman
    County are not required to meet the clear and convincing evidence
    standard before imposing bail. But both of these differences are
    mitigated by Cullman County’s procedure for obtaining review of
    the bail determination. Indeed, indigent detainees in Cullman
    County are entitled to the aid of counsel in obtaining review of
    their bail determinations and can secure a modification of their de-
    tention orders upon a showing of “good cause.”
    The district court reached the opposite conclusion and
    found that the procedures in Cullman County were constitution-
    ally infirm by relying on the Fifth Circuit’s decision in ODonnell.
    But the facts of that case stand in stark contrast to the case before
    us. In its now vacated opinion, the Fifth Circuit found that Harris
    County engaged in an unconstitutional “custom and practice” that
    resulted in “the automatic imposition of pretrial detention on indi-
    gent misdemeanor arrestees.” ODonnell, 892 F.3d at 160–61. The
    district court in ODonnell reached that same finding only after con-
    ducting an exhaustive review of, inter alia, “nearly 300 written ex-
    hibits, in addition to 2,300 video recordings of bail-setting hearings”
    in Harris County. ODonnell v. Harris County, 
    251 F. Supp. 3d 1052
    , 1061 (S.D. Tex. 2017). The Fifth Circuit, after reviewing that
    same record, found that the evidence showed that Harris County
    officers “instructed” indigent defendants “not to speak” at bail
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    hearings and that the defendants were “not offered any oppor-
    tunity to submit evidence of relative ability to post bond at the
    scheduled amount.” 892 F.3d at 153–54.
    None of these observations are true of this case. Arrestees
    in Cullman County are given paperwork before their bail hearings
    that provides them with notice of the upcoming proceeding, and
    there is no suggestion that officers (or anyone else for that matter)
    instructs them not to speak. And the district court did not con-
    clude, nor is there any suggestion in the record, that judges “auto-
    matically” impose monetary bail conditions on indigent arrestees.
    To the contrary, the Standing Bail Order makes clear that judges
    must impose the least onerous condition of release, which will sat-
    isfy the purposes of bail.
    In short, pretrial detainees in Cullman County are not de-
    prived of due process at their bail determinations. They are pro-
    vided a hearing before an impartial judge, notice of that hearing,
    and there is no evidence that they are being denied an opportunity
    to be heard at the hearing. Furthermore, the judge’s bail determi-
    nation may be modified upon a showing of good cause, and the
    judge must make written findings of fact specifying which factors
    he considered in setting the amount of bail. This satisfies the Due
    Process Clause.
    IV.    CONCLUSION
    Under our plenary de novo review of the facial constitution-
    ality of the current Cullman County bail system, we conclude that
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    the district court erred both in finding that the bail system discrim-
    inated against the indigent and in finding that the bail system de-
    prived pretrial detainees of procedural due process. Thus, the dis-
    trict court also erred in concluding that Hester has shown a sub-
    stantial likelihood of success on the merits, and the issuance of the
    preliminary injunction was thus in error.
    For all these reasons, we AFFIRM the district court’s deci-
    sion not to abstain from hearing this case under Younger and
    AFFIRM the court’s denial of Sheriff Gentry’s motion to dismiss.
    We DISMISS the Judicial Defendants from the present appeal. And
    we REVERSE the district court’s entry of a preliminary injunction
    and REMAND for further proceedings consistent with this opin-
    ion.
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    18-13894            ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting                      1
    ROSENBAUM, Circuit Judge, dissenting in part:
    Cullman County justifies setting bonds indigent arrestees
    can’t afford and thereby de facto detaining them under its current
    bail practices, based on its interests in ensuring arrestees’ appear-
    ances at trial and in protecting the community from arrestees it
    deems a danger to the public. No doubt these are valid and com-
    pelling interests. And they could justify a bail system where de
    facto pretrial detention occurred only when no other means could
    reasonably satisfy these interests, and the same rules applied to the
    indigent and non-indigent alike.
    But that does not describe Cullman County’s bail system.
    Not even close.
    Rather, risk of appearance failure and danger to the commu-
    nity have real relevance in Cullman County’s bail system, if at all,
    as they pertain to only the indigent, who can sit in jail for up to a
    month or more without having a meaningful opportunity to be
    heard on bond. Meanwhile, within ninety minutes of arrest, the
    nonindigent bypass both pretrial detention and the County’s stated
    concerns about failure to appear and danger by simply paying a
    predetermined secured bond that corresponds to the offense for
    which they were arrested. That secured bond does not even pur-
    port to account for any danger to the community the nonindigent
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    2                        ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting                       18-13894
    arrestees might present. Nor does it consider any actual flight or
    failure-to-appear risk. 1
    Put simply, in practice, all things being equal between an in-
    digent and nonindigent arrestee in Cullman County, only the indi-
    gent one will undergo de facto detention. That is different treat-
    ment concerning effective detention, based solely on indigent sta-
    tus.
    Of course, the County has every right to decline to award
    lower secured bail amounts that arrestees can pay, if the County
    reasonably determines that those bail amounts are necessary to en-
    sure the defendant’s appearance and the safety of the public. But
    that secured bail must be necessary, and the County cannot choose
    to apply the appearance and safety criteria to only the indigent.
    Nor can it deprive indigent defendants of due process of law
    in imposing de facto detention. But Cullman County doesn’t even
    appoint counsel for indigent defendants’ initial bail hearings, and
    1 Risk of flight and failure-to-appear risk are not the same thing.  While all risks
    of flight present failure-to-appear risks, not all failure-to-appear risks qualify as
    risks of flight. People who have no intention of fleeing may fail to appear for
    various reasons. For example, Judge Turner of Cullman County testified at
    the preliminary-injunction hearing that people might miss court because they
    don’t have transportation or can’t miss work because they are on a probation-
    ary period such as the first 90 days of employment with a new employer.
    Though these types of failures to appear may not be acceptable, as Judge
    Turner also acknowledged, different and more appropriate fixes are available
    to address them than the solutions used for people who flee.
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    18-13894             ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting                       3
    indigent defendants generally must sit in jail for a month before
    their appointed counsel can obtain reconsideration of the bond im-
    posed when counsel wasn’t present.
    Cullman County judges no doubt act in good faith in apply-
    ing Cullman County bail procedures. But that does not remedy
    the problems with Cullman County’s bail procedures (and prac-
    tices). On the contrary, compounding the problems I have men-
    tioned, the judge who imposes bond need not apply any particular
    standard of proof when determining that a given bond is necessary
    to ensure the defendant’s appearance or the safety of the commu-
    nity. He also doesn’t have to state the reasons for his decision, ren-
    dering it even harder for counsel to challenge the determination
    when the reconsideration motion is finally heard.
    In short, Cullman County’s current bail system unconstitu-
    tionally violates indigent arrestees’ Fourteenth Amendment equal-
    protection and due-process rights. The majority opinion avoids
    this conclusion only by disregarding the facts that the district court
    found about how Cullman County’s current bail system operates
    in practice.
    Yet the district court held a two-day evidentiary hearing and
    reviewed evidence that revealed the County’s actual practices in
    implementing the Standing Bail Order. The parties do not so much
    as suggest that the district court’s factual findings are clearly erro-
    neous, and the Majority Opinion does not take that step, either.
    Nor could it. The record contains no basis to conclude that the
    district court’s factual findings are clearly erroneous.
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    So we must accept them. And when we apply the law to the
    facts the district court found, we must conclude that when it comes
    to setting bail (and thus imposing de facto pretrial detention on in-
    digent arrestees), the County holds indigent arrestees to a different
    and higher standard than nonindigent arrestees. And it does so
    based solely on the fact that they are indigent. Not only that, but
    the processes Cullman County uses to set bond for the indigent fail
    to provide them due process. Because these deficiencies violate the
    Fourteenth Amendment, I respectfully dissent.
    I divide my discussion into four parts. I begin by explaining
    in Section I why the Majority Opinion is not at liberty to ignore the
    district court’s factual findings in its analysis. Section II then cata-
    logs the district court’s relevant factual findings. In Section III, I
    review why pretrial release is important—that is, the significant ad-
    vantages pretrial release bestows on a defendant. In Section IV, I
    explain why Cullman County’s Standing Bail Order release system
    violates the Fourteenth Amendment’s guarantees of equal protec-
    tion and due process.
    I.     The Majority Opinion cannot ignore the district court’s fac-
    tual findings
    A.     We may disregard a district court’s factual findings
    only if we find them to be clearly erroneous
    Here, the district court entered a preliminary injunction, en-
    joining Cullman County’s actual bail practices under the Standing
    Bail Order. We have always reviewed for clear error a district
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    18-13894             ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting                       5
    court’s factual findings supporting an order on a motion for prelim-
    inary injunction. See, e.g., S.E.C. v. Unique Fin. Concepts, Inc.,
    
    196 F.3d 1195
    , 1198 (11th Cir. 1999).
    That standard of review applies whether the district court
    based its factual findings on live testimony, documentary evidence,
    or any other type of admissible evidence. See Fed. R. Civ. P.
    52(a)(6) (“Findings of fact, whether based on oral or other evidence,
    must not be set aside unless clearly erroneous . . . .”). As the Su-
    preme Court has emphasized, the clearly erroneous standard of re-
    view governs even “when the district court’s findings do not rest
    on credibility determinations, but are based instead on physical or
    documentary evidence or inferences from other facts.” Anderson
    v. City of Bessemer City, 
    470 U.S. 564
    , 574 (1985). We defer to the
    original finder of fact not only because she is in a better position to
    make determinations of credibility but also because “[t]he trial
    judge’s major role is the determination of fact, and with experience
    in fulfilling that role comes expertise.” 
    Id.
    A finding of fact is clearly erroneous only when “the review-
    ing court on the entire evidence is left with the definite and firm
    conviction that a mistake has been committed.” 
    Id. at 573
     (citation
    and quotation marks omitted). So long as the district court’s ac-
    count of the evidence “is plausible in light of the record viewed in
    its entirety, the court of appeals may not reverse it even though
    convinced that had it been sitting as the trier of fact, it would have
    weighed the evidence differently.” 
    Id. at 574
    . So even when “two
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    permissible views of the evidence exist, the factfinder’s choice be-
    tween them cannot be clearly erroneous.” 
    Id.
    B.     The Majority Opinion wholly ignores the district
    court’s factual findings without finding them to be
    clearly erroneous
    Hester raised two challenges to the Standing Bail Order.
    The first—a facial challenge—alleged that the procedures the
    Standing Bail Order calls for violate the Fourteenth Amendment.
    But second, Hester also challenged, as the district court explained,
    “the way in which Cullman County implements [the Standing Bail
    Order]”—that is, Cullman County’s actual practices. For that rea-
    son—and without objection by the defendants—after a two-day ev-
    identiary hearing, the district court made factual findings about
    Cullman County’s actual practices under the Standing Bail Order
    and based its entry of the preliminary injunction here at least in part
    on those findings.
    But nowhere does the Majority Opinion discuss any of those
    findings. It doesn’t find them clearly erroneous. Indeed, no party
    even argued that they were.
    Rather, the Majority Opinion sua sponte just dismisses the
    district court’s factual findings about how Cullman County imple-
    ments its current bail system. The Majority Opinion does this, con-
    trary to Hester’s challenge to Cullman County’s actual practices
    and the district court’s treatment of that challenge, by simply de-
    ciding that Hester’s challenge was necessarily only a facial
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    18-13894            ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting                      7
    challenge to the Standing Bail Order. See Maj. Op. at 32–33. In
    support of this determination, the Majority Opinion offers two jus-
    tifications: (1) “Hester cannot trace his injury to the current oper-
    ative bail system” because he was released before it went into ef-
    fect, id. at 32; and (2) “the bail scheme at issue here had only been
    in place for sixteen days before the district court held its prelimi-
    nary injunction hearing,” id. at 33 (emphasis omitted).
    Upon examination, though, these reasons don’t hold up. I
    address them in reverse order.
    To be sure, the bail scheme at issue had been effective for
    sixteen days before the district court’s evidentiary hearing. But as
    Section II of this dissent—which summarizes the evidence taken at
    the hearing—shows, that was more than enough time for the
    County to establish certain uniform practices under the newly
    adopted Standing Bail Order. In fact, the district judge based her
    factual findings about Cullman County’s actual bail practices on
    testimony from the Sheriff himself and from one of only two Cull-
    man County district judges who preside over bond hearings—the
    very Cullman County employees who are responsible for imple-
    menting the Standing Bail Order’s procedures. It is difficult to im-
    agine that anyone else would have been more qualified to testify to
    the County’s actual practices under the Standing Bail Order.
    The district court’s factual findings show that certain Cull-
    man County bail practices under the Standing Bail Order do not
    conform to the Standing Bail Order and never did. But they also
    show that Cullman County does apply some uniform procedures
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    8                   ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting              18-13894
    when it sets bail—those procedures just are not true to the Stand-
    ing Bail Order.
    To be sure, the district court noted that “the defendants
    were able to offer little evidence concerning the implementation of
    the new policy,” but it also found that the evidence established
    Cullman County engages in certain uniform practices that diverge
    from what the Standing Bail Order calls for.
    For example, the district court found without qualification
    that “officials in Cullman County do not handle bail requests in a
    manner consistent with the new standing order.” While I discuss
    in Section II of this dissent how the two processes differ, the point
    for now is that the district court made specific factual findings
    about how some of Cullman County’s actual bail practices do not
    follow the Standing Bail Order.
    And conspicuously, no party even suggests that the district
    court’s factual findings about Cullman County’s implementation
    of the Standing Bail Order were incorrect or unfair because they
    were based on sixteen days of functioning.
    That the Standing Bail Order had been in effect for sixteen
    days when the evidentiary hearing occurred does not somehow
    void the resulting evidence and corresponding factual findings
    about how Cullman County uniformly applied the Standing Bail
    Order to all state-court arrestees throughout that time. And that is
    especially so when Cullman County has not even argued that the
    evidence on which the district court relied does not provide an
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    18-13894             ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting                        9
    accurate picture of what Cullman County’s actual bail practices
    are. That a longer period of operation might have allowed for the
    presentation of evidence about more facets of how Cullman
    County executes the Standing Bail Order likewise does not provide
    a reason to dismiss the district court’s factual findings about the as-
    pects of Cullman County’s bail practices that the evidence did illu-
    minate. These rationales do not even suggest that the district
    court’s view of the evidence before it was not at least “plausible,”
    let alone support a “definite and firm conviction that a mistake has
    been committed.” See Anderson, 
    470 U.S. at 574
    .
    So the mere fact that Cullman County had been operating
    under the Standing Bail Order for sixteen days at the time of the
    evidentiary hearing does not excuse the Majority Opinion from its
    duty to either explain why the facts the district court found are
    clearly erroneous (a task even the defendants do not ask the Court
    to engage in) or conduct its analysis by applying the law to the facts
    the district court found. Yet the Majority Opinion does neither be-
    fore wholesale jettisoning the district court’s factual findings.
    As for the Majority Opinion’s reasoning that “Hester cannot
    trace his injury to the current operative bail system” because he
    was released before it went into effect, Maj. Op. at 32, readers
    might notice that sounds an awful lot like a reason why Hester
    lacks standing to challenge the Standing Bail Order at all. We have
    explained that to establish standing, an Article III jurisdictional re-
    quirement, a plaintiff must show an injury in fact that is fairly trace-
    able to the defendant’s conduct, and he must demonstrate that the
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    injury will likely be redressed by a favorable decision from us.
    Johnson v. 27th Ave. Caraf, Inc., 
    9 F.4th 1300
    , 1311 (11th Cir. 2021).
    Here, the Majority Opinion concedes that Hester can’t show that
    the injury he suffered is related in any way to the Standing Bail Or-
    der, which seems to suggest that Hester lacks standing to challenge
    it.
    The Majority Opinion sidesteps this sticky standing stum-
    bling block by viewing Hester’s challenge to the current bail sys-
    tem through the lens of mootness as it pertains to Hester’s chal-
    lenge to Cullman County’s pre-Standing Bail Order bail system.
    See Maj. Op. at 34–40. As the Majority Opinion’s reasoning goes,
    because Cullman County stopped operating under its pre-Standing
    Bail Order system when it adopted the Standing Bail Order, Hes-
    ter’s efforts to secure injunction of the pre-Standing Bail Order sys-
    tem are moot. See 
    id. at 36
     (“Hester’s challenge to Cullman
    County’s former bail procedures is now moot.”). But, the Majority
    Opinion concludes, Hester’s challenge still survives the County’s
    adoption of the Standing Bail Order under the voluntary-cessation
    exception to mootness. See 
    id.
     at 38–40.
    Under that exception, voluntary cessation of allegedly illegal
    conduct does not necessarily render a case moot and deprive the
    court of jurisdiction. Flanigan’s Enters. Inc. of Ga. v. City of Sandy
    Springs, 
    868 F.3d 1248
    , 1255 (11th Cir. 2017) (en banc), abrogated
    on other grounds by Uzuegbunam v. Preczewski, 
    141 S. Ct. 792
    (2021). That’s to prevent a defendant from ceasing its allegedly
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    18-13894             ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting                      11
    offensive conduct just long enough to obtain dismissal of a lawsuit
    and then reinstate the complained-of behavior. See 
    id.
    We have explained that the voluntary-cessation exception
    does not apply when “the totality of th[e] circumstances persuades
    the court that there is no reasonable expectation that the govern-
    ment entity will [return to its prior allegedly offending conduct].”
    
    Id. at 1257
    . I assume without deciding that the Majority Opinion
    is right that the voluntary-cessation exception applies here.
    But in that case, the entire basis for concluding this matter is
    not moot is that the County may continue to violate state arrestees’
    rights under the Standing Bail Order in the same ways Hester al-
    leged it did before it adopted and implemented the Standing Bail
    Order—mainly by continuing to apply different considerations to
    the indigent and nonindigent when making release decisions, and
    by continuing to impose secured bonds indigent defendants cannot
    meet when less restrictive conditions will satisfy the County’s con-
    cerns.
    Yet the Majority Opinion then just dismisses the district
    court’s factual findings showing that, in fact, in implementing the
    Standing Bail Order, Cullman County has continued these very
    practices that Hester complained of when he challenged the origi-
    nal policy. As the district court explained, “[T]he mootness doc-
    trine does not foreclose Mr. Hester’s efforts to obtain relief because
    although the Cullman County Circuit Court has revised its written
    criminal pretrial procedures, the record demonstrates that the de-
    fendants do not fully comply with the new written procedures.” In
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    other words, the district court concluded that the voluntary-cessa-
    tion doctrine saved the case from mootness, based on Cullman
    County’s actual practices under the Standing Bail Order—not on
    the face of the Standing Bail Order itself.
    But on appeal, on the merits, the Majority Opinion ignores
    the factual findings that establish the very basis for why the case is
    not moot: that the County uniformly implements the Standing
    Bail Order not strictly by the Order’s terms but in a way that con-
    tinues some of the very same practices Hester challenged as uncon-
    stitutional before the County adopted the Standing Bail Order.
    The Majority Opinion cannot have it both ways. Either the
    case as it relates to the County’s pre-Standing Bail Order proce-
    dures is moot because the County ceased all aspects of its chal-
    lenged pre-Standing Bail Order conduct when it adopted the Stand-
    ing Bail Order—in which case we lack jurisdiction—or the case is
    not moot because the County allegedly continued at least some of
    its challenged pre-Standing Bail Order practices after adopting the
    Standing Bail Order—in which case we must consider the district
    court’s factual findings about what those continuing practices
    were.
    Instead, though, the Majority Opinion blazes a third and un-
    authorized path: without finding them to be clearly erroneous, the
    Majority Opinion, on the merits, simply throws out the facts the
    voluntary-cessation exception necessarily relies on to establish ju-
    risdiction and skips any review of Hester’s claim and the district
    court’s analysis based on those factual findings. I am unaware of
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    anything that allows the Majority Opinion to do that. Nor does the
    Majority Opinion’s citation of Pugh v. Rainwater, 
    572 F.2d 1053
    (5th Cir. 1978) (en banc), and Walker v. City of Calhoun, 
    901 F.3d 1245
     (11th Cir. 2018), save the day for it.
    C.     Contrary to the Majority Opinion’s contention, no
    precedent authorizes the Majority Opinion to wholly
    dismiss the district court’s findings without finding
    them to be clearly erroneous
    In Rainwater, the plaintiffs, Florida pretrial detainees, chal-
    lenged certain aspects of Florida’s bail system as it existed when the
    plaintiff detainees brought suit. See Rainwater, 
    572 F.2d at 1055
    .
    After the district court ruled on the constitutionality of the Florida
    plaintiffs’ claims about that bail system and while the case was
    pending on appeal before our predecessor Court, Florida’s Su-
    preme Court adopted a new bail system. 
    Id.
     The Former Fifth
    Circuit found that the Florida plaintiffs’ claims about the original
    bail system were moot. 
    Id. at 1058-59
    ; see also 
    id.
     at 1059 n.10. But
    it facially reviewed the constitutionality of the newly adopted bail
    system. See 
    id. at 1059
    . Our predecessor Court did not explain the
    jurisdictional basis allowing it to do so.
    Rainwater does not justify the Majority Opinion’s decision
    to dismiss the district court’s factual findings here. For starters, in
    Rainwater, there were no district-court findings about the way the
    new Florida rule operated because the new Florida rule was never
    in effect when Rainwater was pending before the district court. So
    it was impossible for our predecessor Court to have ignored factual
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    findings about the new system. That’s very different from the sit-
    uation here, where Cullman County’s new system was operational
    when the district court held its two-day evidentiary hearing, and
    the district court heard evidence and made factual findings about
    the County’s actual new practices.
    Not only that, but the Rainwater Court never went through
    any jurisdictional analysis before upholding Florida’s new bail rule.
    The Majority Opinion invokes Rainwater’s acknowledgment of
    the mootness of the challenge there to the old bail system to try to
    bootstrap an imagined holding about why the Rainwater Court en-
    joyed jurisdiction to rule for the first time on the new bail rule. See
    Maj. Op. at 36–37.
    But our decision on the merits in Rainwater after failing to
    acknowledge or address the jurisdictional question remaining after
    the Court declared the challenge to the old system there moot did
    not create precedent on whether the Court actually enjoyed juris-
    diction under the circumstances of the case. See In re Bradford, 
    830 F.3d 1273
    , 1278 (11th Cir. 2016). As we have said, “when it comes
    to questions of jurisdiction, we are bound only by explicit hold-
    ings.” 
    Id.
     So for this reason and because Rainwater did not involve
    any factual findings on the new rule there, Rainwater obviously
    could not have created precedent for the proposition that only a
    facial challenge to a newer policy can survive the mooting of an old
    policy, when a district court reviews evidence and makes factual
    findings about the actual operation of the newer policy.
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    As for Walker, it is similarly uninstructive here. In Walker,
    Georgia arrestees challenged the City of Calhoun’s then-existing
    bail system. See 901 F.3d at 1251–52. While the case was pending,
    the City of Calhoun altered its prior bail policy by issuing a standing
    bail order. Id. at 1252. The district court enjoined the new policy
    because it found that the standing bail order’s stated procedures
    were unconstitutional. See Walker v. City of Calhoun, No. 4:15-
    CV-170-HLM, 
    2016 WL 361612
    , at *11 (“[A]lthough the Standing
    Order attempts to remedy the deficiencies of the earlier bail policy,
    it simply shortens the amount of time that indigent arrestees are
    held in jail to forty-eight hours. As discussed above, however, any
    detention based solely on financial status or ability to pay is imper-
    missible.”) (N.D. Ga. Jan. 28, 2016); Walker v. City of Calhoun, No.
    4:15-CV-0170-HLM, 
    2017 WL 2794064
    , at *3 (N.D. Ga. June 16,
    2017) (“[T]he Court rejects Defendant’s contention that the Stand-
    ing Bail Order, as it is presently worded, is constitutional.”).
    The Walker district court never purported to determine, nor
    did it make any factual findings purporting to determine, whether
    the way Calhoun implemented its new bail policy complied with
    the terms of the new policy there. So like the situation in Rainwa-
    ter, the Walker record contained no relevant factual findings for us
    to grapple with on appeal. And that is why Walker construed the
    challenge to the new policy there as a facial one only.
    But once again, that is not the situation here. Rather, as I
    have noted, Hester (on behalf of himself and an uncontested class
    of “all state-court arrestees who are or who will be jailed in
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    Cullman County who are unable to pay the secured monetary bail
    amount required for their release”) challenged not only the Stand-
    ing Bail Order itself but also how Cullman County implemented it.
    And significantly, following a two-day evidentiary hearing, the dis-
    trict court made factual findings about the County’s actual prac-
    tices, which it found did not comply with the letter of the Standing
    Bail Order.
    So Walker, which involved no similar challenge to the City’s
    new policy as implemented and no similar factual findings, pro-
    vides no basis for the Majority Opinion to wholly dismiss the dis-
    trict court’s factual findings here and recast the case as one involv-
    ing a facial challenge only. Put simply, that Rainwater and
    Walker—where the district courts made no factual findings about
    how the bail system at issue actually operated—resolved their chal-
    lenges as only facial challenges cannot support the Majority Opin-
    ion’s decision to rid itself of the factual findings the district court
    here made about how Cullman County’s bail system does actually
    function and to ignore those facts in its merits analysis.
    To sum up, Hester sought to enjoin not only the Standing
    Bail Order itself but also Cullman County’s actual practices under
    the Standing Bail Order. Then, the district court heard and re-
    viewed evidence about how Cullman County implemented its
    Standing Bail Order. Ultimately, the district court made factual
    findings about that and held, based on those factual findings, that
    Cullman County’s actual practices under the Standing Bail Order
    were unconstitutional. No party alleged on appeal that the district
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    court’s factual findings about Cullman County’s uniform practices
    under the Standing Bail Order were clearly erroneous.
    And the district court’s factual findings about those prac-
    tices—that, under the Standing Bail Order, the County continued
    the practices from its old system that Hester challenged—serve as
    the basis for why we have jurisdiction under the voluntary-cessa-
    tion doctrine to consider Hester’s case on appeal. But when it
    comes to the merits, the Majority Opinion—at the same time it re-
    lies for jurisdiction on the voluntary-cessation doctrine—sua
    sponte dismisses the district court’s factual findings showing that
    Cullman County’s practices under the old policy continued under
    the Standing Bail Order. And it does so based on reasons that just
    don’t stand up and precedent that can’t support its actions.
    I respectfully disagree that we have the option of ignoring
    the district court’s factual findings here. See Otto v. City of Boca
    Raton, ___ 4th ___, No. 19-10604, 
    2022 WL 2824907
    , *12 (11th Cir.
    July 20, 2022) (Jordan, J., dissenting) (“From my perspective, what
    the panel majority did here—ignoring and/or revising the district
    court’s factual findings and failing to apply the clear error stand-
    ard—is seemingly becoming habit in this circuit. If this trend con-
    tinues, the bench and bar will be forgiven for thinking that a district
    court’s factual findings are only inconvenient speed bumps on the
    road to reversal.”) (internal citations omitted). And when we con-
    sider those factual findings in our legal analysis, there’s no doubt
    that Cullman County’s current bail practices violate the Four-
    teenth Amendment. Conspicuously, the Majority Opinion does
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    not assert otherwise; it simply (impermissibly) dismisses those in-
    convenient factual findings.
    II.      Facts
    For that reason, I turn my attention to the relevant facts that
    the district court found. But to enable a fuller understanding of
    those facts, I first discuss the relevant Alabama state bail frame-
    work.
    A.      Alabama entitles all individuals (except those charged
    with a capital felony or a crime that could turn into a
    capital felony) to “bail as a matter of right”
    Alabama’s Constitution ensures that “all persons shall, be-
    fore conviction, be bailable by sufficient sureties, except for capital
    offenses, when the proof is evident or the presumption great . . . .”
    Ala. Const. art. 1, § 16. In line with the Alabama Constitution’s
    decree, Alabama statutory law promises that “[i]n all cases other
    than those specified in subsection (a) of Section 15-13-3,[ 2] a
    2 Like Alabama’s Constitution, § 15-13-3(a) exempts from this right those
    charged with capital offenses and similar offenses that could result in a capital
    charge:
    (a) A defendant cannot be admitted to bail when he is charged with an
    offense which may be punished by death if the court is of the opinion,
    on the evidence adduced, that he is guilty of the offense in the degree
    punishable capitally, nor when he is charged with a personal injury to
    another which is likely to produce death and which was committed
    under circumstances such as would, if death arises from such injury,
    constitute an offense which may be punished by death.
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    defendant is, before conviction, entitled to bail as a matter of right.”
    Ala. Code 1975 § 15-13-2. Similarly, Rule 7.2, Ala. R. Crim. P., pro-
    vides for every defendant who is charged with an offense that Ala-
    bama has deemed “bailable as a matter of right” to be released be-
    fore trial on his own personal recognizance or on an appearance
    bond (meaning an unsecured bond) unless the court finds that his
    release will not reasonably assure his appearance or that his release
    “will pose a real and present dangers to others or to the public at
    large.”
    When it comes to bail conditions, Alabama law defines “per-
    sonal recognizance” to mean “release without any conditions of an
    undertaking relating to, or a deposit of, security.” Ala. R. Crim. P.
    7.1(a). It defines “appearance bond” as “an undertaking to pay to
    the clerk of the . . . court . . . a specified sum of money upon the
    failure of a person released to comply with its conditions.” Ala. R.
    Crim. P. 7.1(b). In other words, an appearance bond does not re-
    quire a person released under it to pay anything to be released. It
    likewise does not require a person to pay anything ever if he makes
    all court appearances and otherwise complies with his conditions
    of release. Sometimes this type of bond is called an “unsecured
    bond.”
    In contrast to an “appearance bond,” a “secured appearance
    bond,” sometimes called simply a “secured bond,” means “an
    Ala. Code. 1975 § 15-13-3(a).
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    appearance bond secured by deposit with the clerk of security
    equal to the full amount thereof.” Ala. R. Crim. P. 7.1(c). So a
    person whose conditions of release include a secured bond must
    pay money (to the clerk directly or to a third party who then pays
    money to the clerk) to obtain release.
    Alabama law imposes no standard of proof by which an Al-
    abama judicial officer must find that a defendant’s release condi-
    tions will not reasonably assure his appearance or that the defend-
    ant “pose[s] a real and present danger[] to others or to the public at
    large” if he is released on his own recognizance or on an unsecured
    bond.
    If a defendant cannot pay a scheduled bail amount upon his
    arrest and must later appear before an Alabama judicial officer for
    a determination of release conditions and if that officer concludes
    that a defendant does not qualify for release on his own recogni-
    zance or an unsecured bond, “the court may impose the least on-
    erous condition or conditions contained in Rule 7.3(b) that will rea-
    sonably assure the defendant’s appearance or that will eliminate or
    minimize the risk of harm . . . .” Id. In so doing, the Alabama
    judicial officer “may take into account” the fourteen considerations
    set forth at Rule 7.2(a), Ala. R. Crim. P., and repeated in the Major-
    ity Opinion at 5–6.
    Alabama law defines “indigent” under the Alabama Rules of
    Criminal Procedure as meaning “a person who is financially unable
    to pay for his or her defense.” Ala. R. Crim. P. R. 6.3. But it states
    no objective criteria for evaluating whether any given defendant
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    qualifies as “indigent.” Rather, the definition of “indigency” is a
    relative one dependent on the circumstances. In particular, to as-
    sess indigency, Alabama law requires the judge to “recognize abil-
    ity to pay as a variable depending on the nature, extent and liquid-
    ity of assets, the disposable net income of the defendant, the nature
    of the offense, the effort and skill required to gather pertinent in-
    formation and the length and complexity of the proceedings.” Ala.
    Code 1975 § 15-12-5(b).
    B.     The district court found that Cullman County’s ac-
    tual bail practices after it adopted the Standing Bail
    Order imposed two altogether different bail standards
    on the indigent and nonindigent, resulting in the de-
    tention of indigent defendants when similarly situ-
    ated nonindigent defendants were not detained
    With this general understanding of Alabama law as it gov-
    erns pretrial release in mind, I turn now to the facts here. Hester
    alleged he was arrested on July 27, 2017, on a misdemeanor charge
    of possession of drug paraphernalia and was held on a $1,000 se-
    cured bond under Cullman County’s pre-Standing Bail Order sys-
    tem. He asserted his bond was set according to the then-existing
    bail schedule, with no inquiry into his ability to pay or the necessity
    to detain him.
    Four days after his arrest, on August 1, 2017, Hester filed his
    original intervenor complaint in this case. Sometime before the
    Standing Bail Order went into effect on March 26, 2018, Hester was
    released from jail.
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    After that happened, in April 2018, over two days, the dis-
    trict court held an evidentiary hearing on Hester’s motion for a pre-
    liminary injunction. During that hearing, the district court heard
    testimony from four witnesses, including Stephen Demuth, Hes-
    ter’s expert witness in statistical analysis and quantitative research
    methods, particularly as those methods relate to pretrial detention
    and release processes; Judge Truman Morrison, a Superior Court
    judge for the District of Columbia and Hester’s expert witness in
    bail-setting practices; Sheriff Kevin Gentry; and Judge Wells
    Turner, a district judge for Cullman County. The parties filed
    nearly sixty exhibits in conjunction with the motion. Among these
    were the expert reports of Demuth and Judge Morrison; several re-
    ports and studies on bail and pretrial detention; the declarations of
    several individuals who have studied pretrial release; and the dec-
    laration of the Vice President of the National Association of Pretrial
    Services Agencies.
    After reviewing the evidence and hearing the witnesses’ tes-
    timony, the district court made several factual findings about how
    the post-March 25, 2018, Standing Bail Order system works. As I
    have mentioned, Hester was released before that system went into
    effect and did not allege that he was ever subjected to it. But the
    district court enjoined the County’s practices under that system,
    and the Majority Opinion reviews the Standing Bail Order facially.
    So I describe the district court’s relevant factual findings.
    First, I explain how the system works for the nonindigent
    defendants. Those arrested without a warrant (which includes
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    most people arrested in Cullman County) receive a bail set by the
    Sheriff, according to a bail schedule that specifies the amount for
    each crime. Using the same schedule, a magistrate (who generally
    is neither a member of the Alabama Bar nor a lawyer 3) presets the
    bail for those arrested with a warrant. So bail is based on only the
    charge and the charge alone. Neither the Sheriff nor the magistrate
    considers the particular facts underlying the charge, the individ-
    ual’s criminal history, past failures to appear, employment status,
    financial resources, ties to the community, age, health, or any other
    information. Indeed, Sheriff Gentry conceded that, under the
    Standing Bail Order, “there’s no leeway in . . . what your bond is
    going to be.” The money bail required is also always secured,
    meaning it must be paid through a surety or a property bond. 4
    Theoretically, if a law-enforcement officer believes a person
    poses “an unreasonable risk of flight or danger to the public,” then
    the officer can submit a bail request form to a magistrate requesting
    that bail be denied until the person is brought before a judge. But
    in reality, if this happens at all, it happens virtually never. And that
    3In Cullman County, magistrates are court specialists and perform important
    functions, but they are not lawyers.
    4 As I have noted, people charged with murder or manslaughter must wait to
    see a judge at their first appearance before they know if they will receive a
    bond. Hester’s challenge to the Standing Bail Order does not include a chal-
    lenge to this aspect of the system, so I do not discuss it further. And for that
    same reason, all references to bail in this dissent’s legal analysis deal with cases
    that do not fall into these limited categories.
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    was also the case under the pre-Standing Bail Order system. So
    while Sheriff Gentry characterized these bail-denial requests as
    “very few and far between,” Judge Turner—one of only two dis-
    trict judges in Cullman County—admitted he had never seen one
    in conjunction with a warrantless arrest. In other words, before
    those who can pay the scheduled bail are released, no one makes a
    danger assessment of any type or an individualized failure-to-ap-
    pear assessment.
    When a person can post bond, his stay in the Cullman
    County jail generally lasts between forty-five and ninety minutes
    from when he is booked until when he is released.
    Now, I turn to the different Standing Bail Order practices
    and procedures that govern the experience of a person who cannot
    post bail. Unlike a person who can pay the scheduled bail and who
    generally spends, at most, ninety minutes in the Cullman County
    jail, an indigent person who cannot post bond may wait in jail up
    to 72 hours before he is brought before a judge for an initial appear-
    ance and bond reassessment. That is so because Cullman County
    holds initial appearances only three times a week—on Monday,
    Wednesday, and Friday afternoons at about 1:30 or 2:00 p.m. So,
    for example, a defendant arrested on a Friday after the cutoff for
    Friday initial appearances will not have his bond hearing until the
    following Monday afternoon. And even when the indigent defend-
    ant has his initial appearance—and unlike those who are not indi-
    gent and can simply pay the pre-assigned bail—the indigent defend-
    ant is not guaranteed to be released.
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    At the indigent defendant’s initial appearance—and again,
    unlike for a person who can pay the scheduled bail and does not
    have a bond hearing—an indigent person like Hester must undergo
    a danger assessment and an individualized failure-to-appear assess-
    ment before his bond is set. And he might never be able to satisfy
    the resulting conditions the presiding judge decides to impose. But
    an arrestee on the same charge as Hester, for example, who can
    pay the $1,000 scheduled bail will undergo neither a danger assess-
    ment of any type nor an individualized failure-to-appear assess-
    ment and will instead be released from jail automatically within
    ninety minutes of his arrest.
    To show the difference even more starkly, while Hester had
    to sit in jail because he could not afford his bond for misdemeanor
    possession of drug paraphernalia, Judge Turner confirmed, if a dep-
    uty sheriff were to arrest an individual on a charge of first-degree
    rape, the Sheriff’s Office would release the individual—with no
    danger inquiry or individualized failure-to-appear assessment—as
    soon as he could post a $20,000 property or surety bond.
    Returning to how the judge sets the bond for the indigent
    defendant at the initial appearance, the judge considers the defend-
    ant’s written answers to questionnaires that seek information
    about the defendant’s life, family, health, criminal history, employ-
    ment, and personal finances. These questionnaires are provided
    to the defendant before his hearing.
    But notably, Judge Turner testified and the district court
    found that many defendants cannot effectively complete the forms.
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    As Judge Turner explained, most people arrested in Cullman
    County do not have a high-school education, many have learning
    disabilities, and “[a] lot of them” struggle with reading comprehen-
    sion. So their efforts to respond to the questionnaires are not al-
    ways helpful.
    Compounding these problems, indigent defendants have no
    counsel present at the bond hearing to assist them. While the judge
    may appoint counsel during the hearing, the indigent defendant
    will be unable to meet with that attorney until about a week later.
    Meanwhile, at the initial appearance, the judge determines
    whether to adjust the secured bond that was required by the bail
    schedule when the defendant was arrested. The Standing Bail Or-
    der provides that, in making this determination, the judge “may
    elicit testimony about the defendant’s financial condition.” But a
    form called “Order on Initial Appearance and Bond Hearing” states
    that the judge must “[give] the Defendant the opportunity to make
    a statement regarding his/her ability to post the bond currently set
    in this matter.”
    After considering the indigent defendant’s individualized cir-
    cumstances, the judge may release the defendant on his own recog-
    nizance or with an unsecured bond, or the judge may again impose
    a secured-bond requirement. If the court requires a secured bond,
    the Standing Bail Order states that “[t]he Court will make a written
    finding [on the Order on Initial Appearance and Bond Hearing and
    the Release Order] as to why the posting of a bond is reasonably
    necessary to assure the defendant’s presence at trial in such a case.”
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    But neither the Order on Initial Appearance and Bond Hear-
    ing nor the Release Order provides space for a written finding. Ra-
    ther, the Order on Initial Appearance and Bond Hearing requires a
    judge to check boxes next to fifteen listed factors to identify the
    factors the judge took into “consideration” in requiring a secured
    bond. Fourteen of the factors come from Rule 7.2(a), Ala. R. Crim.
    P., and the fifteenth simply says, “Other,” which the judge may
    specify in writing. The Release Order requires only that the judge
    check a box if the court imposes a secured bond.
    Although the Standing Bail Order provides that the court
    may “require the posting of a secured appearance bond if that is the
    least onerous condition that will reasonably assure the defendant’s
    appearance or that will eliminate or minimize the risk of harm to
    others or the public at large,” the district court found it is not un-
    common for a judge to set a bond at the uncounseled initial appear-
    ance in an amount she knows the defendant cannot afford. Indeed,
    Judge Turner testified that under the Standing Bail Order system,
    he sets secured bonds for indigent defendants at their initial appear-
    ances about half the time. In setting bonds for indigent defendants,
    Judge Turner does not inquire “much past the defendant’s income
    or indigency status [because he does not] want to get involved with
    . . . the facts on their case until [he has] appointed them counsel.”
    If the defendant cannot pay the bond the judge imposes at
    the initial appearance, typically, up to a month will pass before a
    judge hears the indigent defendant’s counseled motion for bond
    reduction. That is so because it takes some time for the appointed
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    attorney to file the motion for bond reduction, and then the court
    hears those motions only every other Monday. Even if the County
    does not oppose an indigent defendant’s motion for bond reduc-
    tion, it takes at least 15 days and up to 30 for the district judge to
    grant the motion. While the indigent defendant’s motion remains
    pending, of course, he sits in jail.
    If no initial appearance occurs within 72 hours of the indi-
    gent defendant’s arrest, though, the Sheriff must release the de-
    fendant on an unsecured bond. But that rule does not guarantee
    an indigent defendant will have an initial appearance and bond re-
    assessment before a judge within 72 hours. Rather, a magistrate
    may conduct the hearing.
    Cullman County asserted that three compelling interests
    justify the need for secured bonds: (1) providing pretrial release as
    quickly as possible for all who can afford it; (2) ensuring that de-
    fendants appear for court proceedings, and (3) protecting the com-
    munity from dangerous defendants.
    Working backwards, on the County’s interest in protecting
    the public, the district court concluded that data and empirical evi-
    dence in the record revealed no significant difference in public-
    safety rates between defendants released on secured bonds and
    those given unsecured bonds. Based on these facts, the district
    court found that the County’s stated interest in using secured bail
    to promote public safety was illusory.
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    As for the County’s interest in ensuring the defendant’s ap-
    pearance for court proceedings, given the unrebutted evidence, the
    court determined that money bail is not more effective than non-
    monetary conditions of release in reducing the risk of failures to
    appear. As the district court noted, Dr. Demuth explained that sev-
    eral recent empirical studies comparing the effectiveness of pretrial
    release conditions found “no difference in the effectiveness of se-
    cured and unsecured bonds.” For example, the average court-ap-
    pearance rate for defendants in Jefferson County, Colorado, which
    was studied, did not differ significantly for defendants whose bond
    was set by judges who imposed more secured bonds and those who
    set more unsecured bonds. According to Dr. Michael Jones, one of
    the study’s authors, this finding was consistent with the fact that
    “both bond types carry the potential for the defendant to lose
    money for failing to appear.”
    Besides this, the district court noted that Dr. Jones relied on
    research studies that show that court date reminders, “which can
    be delivered through in-person meetings, letters, postcards, live
    callers, robocalls, text messages, and/or email,” are the “single
    most effective pretrial risk management intervention for reducing
    failures to appear,” improving court appearances by about 30% to
    50%. In fact, the district court stated, the public defender in Rich-
    mond, California, was able to reduce failure-to-appear rates among
    its clients from 20% to less than 4% after implementing text-mes-
    sage court-date reminders. And the failure-to-appear rate of low-
    income defendants in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania, decreased
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    from 15% to less than 6% when that county started using text-mes-
    sage court-date reminders.
    The court also relied on the declaration of Insha Rahman, a
    senior planner at a nonprofit criminal-justice organization that de-
    velops pretrial services. She stated that, in New York City, 95% of
    nearly 2,300 criminal defendants whose bail was paid by charitable
    organizations—meaning they had no “skin in the game”—made all
    their court appearances.
    Besides these evidentiary sources, the district court pointed
    to statements from Judge Morrison’s declaration that supported
    the same conclusion. Judge Morrison attested that, in 2017 (the last
    full year for which statistics were available when he prepared his
    declaration), 94% of arrestees in Washington, D.C., were released,
    and 88% of released defendants “made all scheduled appearances
    during the pretrial period.” And, the court observed, Judge Turner
    effectively agreed that unsecured bail can be effective when he
    opined that a defendant would have just as much “skin in the
    game,” whether he had unsecured or a secured bond. Another
    study the court cited, which analyzed data on 153,407 defendants,
    revealed that when secured bonds result in the extension of a de-
    fendant’s pretrial detention, secured bonds make it less likely that
    a defendant appears in court.
    In response to these many studies and related testimony,
    Cullman County offered no empirical evidence or research studies
    to rebut Hester’s evidence. Based on the record, then, the district
    court found that “the plaintiffs’ evidence demonstrates that
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    Cullman County likely would not see an increase in failures to ap-
    pear with unsecured bonds.”
    As for the County’s interest in securing pretrial release as
    quickly as possible for all who can afford it, the district court con-
    cluded that unsecured bonds for those who cannot afford secured
    bonds would continue to allow all who can afford secured bonds
    to be released immediately. But they would also allow those who
    cannot afford secured bonds to obtain immediate release, while
    still protecting against failure to appear.
    Ultimately, the court concluded that “[n]one of the interests
    that [the County] identified relating to Cullman[] County’s secured
    bail procedures finds support in the current record.” Yet although
    the district court found, as a matter of fact, that Cullman County’s
    implementation of its Standing Bail Order does not further the
    County’s stated interests for the policy, under that Order, the indi-
    gent are still de facto pretrial detained, while the nonindigent are
    not.
    III.   Unnecessary pretrial detention can significantly harm the
    defendant, his family, and the community
    Before I get into why Cullman County’s bail system violates
    the Fourteenth Amendment, I think it’s worth explaining the rea-
    sons, including the less obvious ones, why pretrial release is im-
    portant. Not that pretrial detention is never appropriate. It is—in
    cases that involve true and serious risks of flight or real threats to
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    the community (or both) that cannot be mitigated through reason-
    able non-detaining measures.
    But many state-court defendants—including several who
    are arrested on non-violent misdemeanor offenses—do not present
    those types of risks. Rather, as the trial court found, based on the
    evidence, any risks most state-court defendants raise may be suita-
    bly addressed by measures short of pretrial detention. And there
    are important reasons why defendants whose risks can otherwise
    be addressed should be released unless they are convicted and sen-
    tenced to jail or prison time.
    More than three decades ago, the Supreme Court declared
    that “[i]n our society liberty is the norm, and detention prior to trial
    or without trial is the carefully limited exception.” United States v.
    Salerno, 
    481 U.S. 739
    , 755 (1987). The fundamental right to pretrial
    liberty began with the first days of our nation. See Stack v. Boyle,
    
    342 U.S. 1
    , 4 (1951) (explaining that there is a “traditional right to
    freedom before conviction” going back to the Judiciary Act of
    1789). That right is animated by the “bedrock axiomatic and ele-
    mentary principle whose enforcement lies at the foundation of the
    administration of our criminal law”—the presumption of inno-
    cence. In re Winship, 
    397 U.S. 358
    , 363 (1970) (quotation marks
    omitted).
    Put simply, before an arrestee is convicted (if he ever is), he
    is presumed innocent. And we don’t punish innocent people with
    jail time. Yet we have acknowledged the “punitive and heavily bur-
    densome nature” of pretrial detention. Rainwater, 572 F.2d at
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    1056. Because pretrial detention involves the “deprivation of lib-
    erty of one who is accused but not convicted of crime,” we have
    recognized that it “present[s] a question having broader effects and
    constitutional implications than would appear from a rule stated
    solely for the protection of indigents.” 
    Id.
     Among other things,
    pretrial release “prevent[s] the infliction of punishment prior to
    conviction.” 
    Id.
     at 1056–57.
    People who are jailed—even for just a day or two—can lose
    their jobs, homes, and vehicles; and their bonds with family mem-
    bers, who may be relying on them for support or care, can often be
    deeply affected. See Gerstein v. Pugh, 
    420 U.S. 103
    , 114 (1975)
    (“Pretrial confinement may imperil the suspect’s job, interrupt his
    source of income, and impair his family relationships.”); Samuel R.
    Wiseman, Pretrial Detention and the Right to Be Monitored, 
    123 Yale L.J. 1334
    , 1356–57 (2014) (“Many detainees lose their jobs even
    if jailed for a short time, and this deprivation can continue after the
    detainee’s release. Without income, the defendant and his family
    also may fall behind on payments and lose housing, transportation,
    and other basic necessities.”) (footnotes omitted); Cherise Fanno
    Burdeen, The Dangerous Domino Effect of Not Making Bail, The
    Atlantic (Apr. 12, 2016), https://www.theatlantic.com/poli-
    tics/archive/2016/04/the-dangerous-domino-effect-of-not-mak-
    ing-bail/477906/ (“Even short-term incarceration can have dire
    consequences. People can lose their jobs, housing, even custody of
    their kids if they’re in jail.”).
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    34                  ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting              18-13894
    Jail can also have lasting and irreversible consequences on a
    person’s psychological and physical health. Some who have been
    detained when they couldn’t pay bail have committed suicide or
    have otherwise died in custody. In a tragic example, a teenager in
    Michigan accused of stealing a bottle of wine committed suicide
    after spending three days in jail because he could not afford bail.
    See Ted Roelofs, The Price of Michigan’s Cash Bail System, The
    Bridge (Nov. 15, 2016), https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-
    government/price-michigans-cash-bail-system. In another case,
    Sandra Bland was arrested after failing to signal while changing
    lanes. Three days later she was found dead from an apparent sui-
    cide in her jail cell. Abby Ohlheiser & Sarah Larimer, What We
    Know About Sandra Bland, Who Died This Week in a Texas Jail,
    Washington Post (July 17, 2015), https://www.washing-
    tonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/07/17/what-we-
    know-about-sandra-bland-who-died-this-week-in-a-texas-jail/.
    While fortunately not common, sadly, these cases are not
    flukes, either. Before the pandemic, roughly 1,000 people died in
    local jails each year—almost a third by suicide. Martin Kaste, The
    ‘Shock of Confinement’: The Grim Reality of Suicide in Jail, NPR
    (July                          27,                            2015),
    https://www.npr.org/2015/07/27/426742309/the-shock-of-con-
    finement-the-grim-reality-of-suicide-in-jail; E. Ann Carson & Mary
    P. Cowhig, U.S. Dep’t of Justice, Bureau of Just. Stat., Mortality in
    Local Jails, 2000-2016 (February 2020), https://bjs.ojp.gov/con-
    tent/pub/pdf/mlj0016st.pdf. Suicide rates in jails are almost five
    USCA11 Case: 18-13894      Date Filed: 07/29/2022   Page: 105 of 142
    18-13894            ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting                   35
    times higher than they are in prison and three times worse than
    they are in the general public.
    And the COVID-19 pandemic has added problems. Prisons
    and jails have been hotbeds for the spread of COVID-19, where in-
    carcerated people “have been infected at rates several times higher
    than those of their surrounding communities.” Eddie Burkhalter
    et al., Incarcerated and Infected: How the Virus Tore Through the
    U.S. Prison System, N.Y. Times (Apr. 10, 2021), https://www.ny-
    times.com/interactive/2021/04/10/us/covid-prison-out-
    break.html.
    In fact, the pandemic further exacerbated conditions in Ala-
    bama jails because the State halted the transfer of inmates from
    county jails to state prisons. Ashley Remkus, Alabama Inmates
    Sleep on Floors as Jails Overcrowded: ‘It’s Inhumane’, AL.com
    (Dec. 18, 2020), https://www.al.com/news/2020/12/alabama-in-
    mates-sleep-on-floors-as-jails-overcrowd-its-humane.html. As a re-
    sult, Alabama jails have been overcrowded, leading to shortages in
    basic supplies and forcing inmates to sleep on mats for weeks at a
    time. 
    Id.
    Alabama continued for months to see surges in COVID-19
    cases, mainly because of new variants and low vaccination rates.
    Ramsey Archibald, New COVID Surge Begins in Alabama, Hospi-
    talizations Double in July, Positivity Rate Climbing, AL.com (July
    20, 2021), https://www.al.com/news/2021/07/new-covid-surge-
    begins-in-alabama-hospitalizations-double-in-july-positivity-rate-
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    36                   ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting              18-13894
    climbing.html. Three days of pretrial incarceration during the cur-
    rent pandemic could have life-altering consequences.
    That’s not all. Individuals detained pretrial are also more
    likely to be convicted or plead guilty—even if they are not guilty.
    The district court found, based on empirical evidence and studies,
    that pretrial detention boosts the likelihood that an arrestee is con-
    victed. For example, the court relied on a Harris County, Texas,
    study that concluded that “defendants who are detained on a mis-
    demeanor charge are much more likely than similarly situated [de-
    fendants who are released pretrial] to plead guilty and serve jail
    time. Compared to similarly situated [released defendants], de-
    tained defendants are 25% more likely to be convicted . . . .” And
    it pointed to a study from Pittsburgh that found that “pretrial de-
    tention leads to a 13% increase in the likelihood of being convicted,
    an effect largely explained by an increase in guilty pleas among de-
    fendants who otherwise would have been acquitted or had their
    charges dropped.” The district court also relied on “data from New
    York City [that] shows that 92% of people detained pretrial pleaded
    guilty, while only 24% and 32% of the cases in which the defend-
    ant’s bail was paid by the Bronx Freedom and Brooklyn Commu-
    nity Bail Fund, respectively, resulted in a criminal conviction.”
    Those findings are unsurprising given that pretrial release
    “permits the unhampered preparation of a defense” and gives ar-
    restees better bargaining positions for plea deals. Stack, 342 U.S. at
    4. Conversely, those who are detained often feel added pressure to
    plead guilty: each additional hour in jail ratchets up the pressure
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    18-13894              ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting                          37
    to cut a deal to get out as quickly as possible. Wiseman, Pretrial
    Detention, at 1356 (“In some cases, the periods that defendants
    spend in jail awaiting trial is comparable to, or even greater than,
    their potential sentences, thus substantially incentivizing quick
    plea deals regardless of guilt or innocence.”) (footnotes omitted).
    The pressure to plead out is even greater for those (like Hes-
    ter) accused of misdemeanors. For them, “the worst punishment
    may come before conviction” because misdemeanor defendants
    are routinely given “‘time served’ or probation,” so misdemeanor
    arrestees are incentivized to plead guilty and get out of jail as soon
    as possible. Paul Heaton et al., The Downstream Consequences of
    Misdemeanor Pretrial Detention, 
    69 Stan. L. Rev. 711
    , 715 (2017)
    (footnotes omitted). 5 The research backs this up: A study on mis-
    demeanor defendants in Harris County, Texas, found that defend-
    ants who were detained pretrial were 25% more likely to plead
    guilty than non-detained defendants. 
    Id. at 717, 747
    .
    Plus, the district court here concluded that “pretrial deten-
    tion is associated with harsher sentences upon conviction.” It cited
    the Harris County, Texas, study as finding that “detained individu-
    als were 43% more likely than similarly situated released individu-
    als to be sentenced to a term of incarceration.” And the court sim-
    ilarly pointed to the conclusion of a study of Philadelphia’s pretrial
    5 Hester submitted this article as empirical evidence during the preliminary
    injunction hearing. See ECF No. 129-19.
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    38                   ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting              18-13894
    procedures that “defendants detained pretrial generally end up ow-
    ing $129 more in non-bail court fees and are sentenced to an addi-
    tional 124 days [in jail] on average upon conviction.”
    These costs do not rest solely on the arrestee’s shoulders;
    society also pays for them. In a literal sense, taxpayers pay expo-
    nentially more to detain individuals pretrial than it would if the de-
    tainees were released pretrial. For example, studies have found
    that detaining an arrestee costs $80 to $150 per day, “while moni-
    toring a defendant released pretrial costs between $5 and $15 a
    day.” Nicole Hong and Shibani Mahtani, Cash Bail, a Cornerstone
    of the Criminal-Justice System, is Under Threat, Wall Street Jour-
    nal (May 22, 2017). So we should make sure that those we detain
    really do need to be detained.
    But it is not just our pocketbooks that unnecessary pretrial
    detention hurts; the district court cited a study showing those who
    are detained pretrial are more likely to commit a crime in the fu-
    ture. And other studies reach the same conclusion. See, e.g., Hea-
    ton et al., Downstream Consequences, at 718; see also ECF No.
    129-12 at 5 (a study of detainees in Kentucky found that individuals
    who were detained for 2 or 3 days were 1.39 times more likely to
    engage in new criminal activity than those who were released
    within a day).
    In short, the district court found that unnecessary pretrial
    detention has both deep and rippling consequences—for the de-
    fendant, his family, and the community.
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    18-13894             ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting                     39
    IV.   The district court correctly determined that Cullman
    County’s actual bail practices violate the Fourteenth
    Amendment
    Hester argues that Cullman County subjects indigent state-
    court defendants to effective pretrial detention when it releases
    similarly situated nonindigent defendants. In other words, Hester
    contends Cullman County detains indigent defendants just because
    they are indigent. And that, he asserts, violates the Equal Protec-
    tion and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment. I
    agree.
    The Supreme Court has long recognized that “there can be
    no equal justice where the kind of trial a man gets depends on the
    amount of money he has.” Bearden v. Georgia, 
    461 U.S. 660
    , 664
    (1983) (quoting Griffin v. Illinois, 
    351 U.S. 12
    , 19 (1956) (plurality
    opinion)). And our predecessor Court has acknowledged “that im-
    prisonment solely because of indigent status is invidious discrimi-
    nation and not constitutionally permissible.” Rainwater, 
    572 F.2d at 1056
    .
    Due-process and equal-protection concerns animate this
    principle of “equal justice.” See Bearden, 
    461 U.S. at
    664–65. As
    the Court has explained, we consider “whether the State has invid-
    iously denied one class of defendants a substantial benefit available
    to another class of defendants under the Equal Protection Clause.”
    
    Id. at 665
    . And we also evaluate “the fairness of relations between
    the criminal defendant and the State under the Due Process
    Clause.” 
    Id.
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    40                   ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting               18-13894
    If a defendant is detained just because of his indigent status
    and without “a meaningful opportunity to enjoy” pretrial release,
    we apply heightened scrutiny in reviewing the scheme. Walker v.
    City of Calhoun, 
    901 F.3d 1245
    , 1261 (11th Cir. 2018) (quoting San
    Antonio Indep. Sch. Dist. v. Rodriguez, 
    411 U.S. 1
    , 20 (1973)). In-
    deed, our predecessor Court has explained that “[t]he demands of
    equal protection of the laws and of due process prohibit depriving
    pre-trial detainees of the rights of other citizens to a greater extent
    than necessary to assure appearance at trial and security of the jail.”
    Rainwater, 
    572 F.2d at 1057
     (citation and quotation marks omit-
    ted).
    Rainwater’s use of the phrase “to a greater extent than nec-
    essary” reflects heightened scrutiny, as rational-basis scrutiny
    would uphold a scheme as long as it is “rationally related to a legit-
    imate government purpose,” Leib v. Hillsborough Cnty. Pub.
    Transp. Comm’n, 
    558 F.3d 1301
    , 1306 (11th Cir. 2009)—no matter
    if the scheme deprives pretrial detainees of the rights of other citi-
    zens more than necessary to achieve the government’s legitimate
    interests. Rainwater’s use of heightened scrutiny follows Supreme
    Court precedent in cases involving the state’s use of wealth-based
    incarceration. In Bearden, for example, the Court held that a state
    can imprison an indigent probationer “[o]nly if the sentencing
    court determines that alternatives to imprisonment are not ade-
    quate” to meet the state’s interest. 
    461 U.S. at 672
    . In other words,
    jailing must be the only adequate option—not just a rational one.
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    18-13894             ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting                      41
    A.     Rainwater requires the conclusion that Cullman
    County’s bail system violates the Fourteenth Amend-
    ment
    In ODonnell v. Harris County, 
    892 F.3d 147
     (5th Cir. 2018),
    abrogated by Daves v. Dallas Cnty., 
    22 F.4th 522
     (5th Cir. 2022) (en
    banc), the Fifth Circuit applied these principles—and Rainwater in
    particular—in evaluating a Fourteenth Amendment challenge to
    the bail system of Harris County, Texas.
    Before addressing ODonnell’s analysis of the Fourteenth
    Amendment issues at stake here, I pause to explain the status of
    ODonnell. ODonnell involved a challenge to Harris County,
    Texas’s actual bail practices in connection with a bail schedule. As
    I explain below, the Fifth Circuit concluded that Harris County’s
    bail practices violated the Fourteenth Amendment. Separately, in
    Daves v. Dallas County, 
    22 F.4th 522
    , another group of plaintiffs
    challenged Dallas County’s bail practices, which were allegedly
    similar to the bail practices of Harris County in ODonnell. The
    district court and a panel of the Fifth Circuit therefore applied
    ODonnell’s substantive analysis to whether Dallas County’s bail
    practices violated the Fourteenth Amendment and found that they
    did. See 
    id.
     at 530–31.
    The Fifth Circuit then took Daves en banc solely on issues
    of justiciability. See 
    id. at 528
    . And while the Fifth Circuit vacated
    the district court and panel decisions in Daves in their entirety be-
    cause it concluded, in part, that the plaintiffs lacked standing to sue
    some defendants in Daves (similar defendants are not enjoined in
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    42                        ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting                   18-13894
    Hester’s case) and it directed the district court to address absten-
    tion, it was careful to note that its decision did “not reach the mer-
    its.” 
    Id.
    As the panel decision in Daves was vacated because the Fifth
    Circuit concluded it did not suitably address justiciability concerns,
    and it, in turn, was based on ODonnell and its similar treatment of
    justiciability concerns, ODonnell is no longer good law in the Fifth
    Circuit. But as I’ve mentioned, the Fifth Circuit’s en banc decision
    in Daves did not reach or criticize ODonnell’s merits analysis in
    any way. And the four Fifth Circuit judges who dissented from the
    Daves justiciability-based en banc decision and who did comment
    on the ODonnell merits analysis reaffirmed it. See 
    id.
     at 551–52
    (Haynes, J., dissenting); cf. also 
    id. at 570
     (“The bail system at issue
    in this case blatantly violates arrestees’ constitutional rights.”).
    So while ODonnell is no longer good law, its Fourteenth
    Amendment analysis remains instructive. And that is especially so
    because that analysis is based on our mutually binding precedent
    in the form of Rainwater, since like we are, the Fifth Circuit is
    bound by Rainwater. 6 I therefore review ODonnell.
    6   Rainwater is a Fifth Circuit precedent from 1978. Because it is Fifth Circuit
    precedent, it binds the Fifth Circuit. It also binds us because the Fifth Circuit
    issued it before October 1, 1981, and we have adopted as precedential all such
    Fifth Circuit opinions. See Bonner v. City of Prichard, 
    661 F.2d 1206
    , 1209
    (11th Cir. 1981) (en banc).
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    18-13894             ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting                      43
    The ODonnell district court found that, under Harris
    County’s bail system as it was implemented, all misdemeanor ar-
    restees had hearings where bail amounts were set. See ODonnell,
    892 F.3d at 153–54. But these hearings, in practice, “did not achieve
    any individualized assessment in setting bail.” Id. at 153. At the
    hearings, bail amounts were set in accordance with a bail schedule
    and on a secured basis most of the time, and hearing officers knew
    that, by imposing a secured bail on indigent arrestees, they were
    ensuring that those arrestees would remain detained. Id. at 154.
    Yet (as here) the evidence before the court reflected that “release
    on secured financial conditions does not assure better rates of ap-
    pearance or of law-abiding conduct before trial compared to re-
    lease on unsecured bonds or nonfinancial conditions of supervi-
    sion.” Id. In sum, the district court concluded that Harris County’s
    bail “custom and practice resulted in detainment solely due to a
    person’s indigency because the financial conditions for release are
    based on predetermined amounts beyond a person’s ability to pay
    and without any ‘meaningful consideration of other possible alter-
    natives.’” Id. at 161.
    In conducting its analysis on appeal, on the due-process side
    of the equation, the Fifth Circuit observed that the Texas Constitu-
    tion provided that “[a]ll prisoners shall be bailable by sufficient
    sureties.” Id. at 158 (quoting Tex. Const. art. 1, § 11). Based on
    that, the Fifth Circuit concluded that “Texas state law creates a
    right to bail that appropriately weighs the detainees’ interest in pre-
    trial release and the court’s interest in securing the detainee’s
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    44                   ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting                 18-13894
    attendance.” Id. That right, in turn, means that judicial officers
    cannot “impose a secured bail solely for the purpose of detaining
    the accused.” Id. Rather, decisions on conditions of release must
    “reflect a careful weighing of the individualized factors” Texas law
    set forth. Id. As the Fifth Circuit explained, this right was a state-
    created liberty interest. See id.
    After hashing this out, the Fifth Circuit turned its attention
    to evaluating whether Harris County’s bail practices adequately
    protected the arrestees’ right to such a bail. To conduct this analy-
    sis, the Fifth Circuit employed the Mathews v. Eldridge, 
    424 U.S. 319
    , 335 (1976), three-part balancing test that considers “the private
    interest . . . affected by the official action; the risk of an erroneous
    deprivation of such interest through the procedure used, and the
    probable value, if any, of additional or substitute procedural safe-
    guards; and the Government’s interest, including the function in-
    volved and the fiscal and administrative burdens that new proce-
    dures would impose.” ODonnell, 892 F.3d at 158–59 (citation and
    quotation marks omitted).
    After weighing these interests, the Fifth Circuit determined
    that Harris County’s bail practices were “inadequate” “when ap-
    plied to . . . the liberty interest at stake.” Id. at 159. In particular,
    the court noted that the district court’s factual findings showed that
    “secured bail orders [we]re imposed almost automatically on indi-
    gent arrestees,” even though officials knew the indigent could not
    afford such bail. Id. Based on this fact, the court concluded, Harris
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    18-13894             ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting                      45
    County’s bail practices did “not sufficiently protect detainees from
    [officials] imposing bail as an ‘instrument of oppression.’” Id.
    That said, the court declined to require factfinders to issue a
    written statement of their reasons for the selected pretrial release
    conditions. Id. at 160. As the court explained, the arrestees’ liberty
    interest—“the right to pretrial liberty of those accused (that is, pre-
    sumed innocent) of misdemeanor crimes upon the court’s receipt
    of reasonable assurance of their return”—was “particularly im-
    portant.” Id. at 159. But so was “the government’s interest in effi-
    ciency.” Id. And the court was concerned that requiring Harris
    County to produce 50,000 written opinions per year would impose
    too great a burden. Id. at 160. Rather, it reasoned, requiring offi-
    cials “to specifically enunciate their individualized, case-specific
    reasons” for imposing release conditions they knew indigent indi-
    viduals could not meet was “a sufficient remedy.” Id.
    The Fifth Circuit also determined that “the federal due pro-
    cess right” as recognized in County of Riverside v. McLaughlin, 
    500 U.S. 44
    , 56–58 (1991), “entitles detainees to a [bond] hearing within
    48 hours.” ODonnell, 892 F.3d at 160.
    Then the Fifth Circuit considered the equal-protection part
    of the challenge to Harris County’s bail practices. It determined
    that those practices warranted heightened-scrutiny review under
    Rodriguez. Id. at 162; see also Daves, 22 F.4th at 552 (Haynes, J.,
    dissenting) (“We determined that the district court did not err in
    applying intermediate scrutiny.”). That is, under Harris County’s
    bail practices, indigent arrestees could not pay secured bail, “and,
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    46                  ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting              18-13894
    as a result, sustain[ed] an absolute deprivation of their most basic
    liberty interests—freedom from incarceration.” ODonnell, 892
    F.3d at 162. And, the court continued, indigent arrestees were “in-
    carcerated where similarly situated wealthy arrestees [we]re not,
    solely because the indigent cannot afford to pay a secured bond.”
    Id. And, invoking Rainwater, 
    572 F.2d at 1057
    , the ODonnell
    Court noted that the district court’s factual findings showing that
    Harris County’s bail practices resulted in wealth-based detainment
    “without any ‘meaningful consideration of other possible alterna-
    tives’” meant that Harris County’s bail practices were unconstitu-
    tional. ODonnell, 892 F.3d at 161 (quoting Rainwater, 
    572 F.2d at 1057
    ).
    The Fifth Circuit concluded that Harris County’s bail prac-
    tices flunked heightened scrutiny. Id. at 162. It acknowledged that
    the County enjoyed a “compelling interest in the assurance of a
    misdemeanor detainee’s future appearance and lawful behavior.”
    Id. But the court held that Harris County’s bail practices were “not
    narrowly tailored to meet that interest.” Id. In support of this con-
    clusion, the Fifth Circuit explained that Harris County did not
    show a “link between financial conditions of release and appear-
    ance at trial or law-abiding behavior before trial.” Id. Indeed, the
    County did not present data showing that secured bail was more
    effective than unsecured bail in ensuring an arrestee’s future ap-
    pearance. Id. But meanwhile, the plaintiffs submitted data sug-
    gesting that using secured bail might increase the likelihood of un-
    lawful behavior. Id.
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    18-13894              ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting                       47
    At the end of the day, the Fifth Circuit explained, under Har-
    ris County’s bail practices, “two misdemeanor arrestees who are
    identical in every way—same charge, same criminal backgrounds,
    same circumstances, etc.—except that one is wealthy and one is in-
    digent,” “would almost certainly receive identical secured bail
    amounts.” Id. at 163. The wealthy arrestee could post bond, while
    the indigent one would not. Id. And as a result, “the wealthy ar-
    restee [would be] less likely to plead guilty, more likely to receive
    a shorter sentence or be acquitted, and less likely to bear the social
    costs of incarceration.” Id. Meanwhile, the indigent arrestee
    would not enjoy those same advantages. Id. The Fifth Circuit con-
    cluded that, under Rainwater and Supreme Court precedent, this
    violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amend-
    ment. Id.
    Hester’s case presents the same problems as ODonnell. I
    begin with the due-process analysis.
    First, the liberty interest: there is no meaningful distinction
    between Texas’s constitutional promise that “[a]ll prisoners shall
    be bailable by sufficient sureties,” Tex. Const. art. 1, § 11, and Ala-
    bama’s constitutional guarantee that “all persons shall, before con-
    viction, be bailable by sufficient sureties, except for capital offenses,
    when the proof is evident or the presumption great . . . .” Ala.
    Const. art. 1, § 16. And Alabama courts “have consistently con-
    strued” the Alabama Constitution and § 15-13-2, Code of Alabama
    1975, “as ensuring to an accused an absolute right to bail.” Shabazz
    v. State, 
    440 So. 2d 1200
    , 1201 (Ala. Crim. App. 1983) (citing
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    48                   ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting               18-13894
    Brakefield v. State, 
    113 So. 2d 669
     (Ala. 1959); Holman v. Williams,
    
    53 So. 2d 751
     (Ala. 1951); Sprinkle v. State, 
    368 So. 2d 554
     (Ala.
    Crim. App. 1978)). So those arrested in Alabama must enjoy the
    same liberty interest under the Alabama Constitution that Texas’s
    Constitution created in “a right to bail that appropriately weighs
    the detainees’ interest in pretrial release and the court’s interest in
    securing the detainee’s attendance,” ODonnell, 892 F.3d at 158.
    As for the Mathews balancing test, as in the factual findings
    in ODonnell—where the district court determined that “secured
    bail orders [we]re imposed almost automatically on indigent ar-
    restees,” id. at 159, even though officials knew the indigent could
    not afford such bail—the district court here found that “Cullman
    County mechanically applies a secured money bail schedule to de-
    tain the poor and release the wealthy,” and “[i]t is not uncommon
    for a judge to set a bond in an amount he knows the defendant
    cannot afford.” Just as these circumstances in ODonnell led the
    Fifth Circuit to conclude that Harris County’s actual bail practices
    (rather than its written bail framework) did “not sufficiently protect
    detainees from [officials] imposing bail as an ‘instrument of oppres-
    sion,’”id., the district court here found that “Cullman County’s ac-
    tual procedures are significantly less individualized and protective
    than due process requires.”
    In further support of this conclusion, the district court here
    noted other deficiencies in Cullman County’s practices, including
    that Cullman County “do[es] not provide constitutionally ade-
    quate notice to indigent criminal defendants before an initial
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    18-13894             ROSENBAUM, J., Dissenting                     49
    appearance”; that judges “do[] not have to give a criminal defend-
    ant an opportunity to be heard or present evidence”; that “neither
    the Cullman County Sheriff nor a Cullman County judge must sat-
    isfy an evidentiary standard before entering an unaffordable se-
    cured bond that serves as a de facto detention order”; and that
    judges “do not actually make ‘findings’” when they require a bond
    to be posted.
    As for notice—which relates directly to the opportunity to
    be heard—the district court explained that the only evidence of no-
    tice in the record was the notice statement in the Release Question-
    naire. As for that statement—“FOR THE PURPOSE OF
    DETERMINING CONDITIONS OF PRE-TRIAL RELEASE IN
    THIS CASE, THE COURT MAY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE
    FOLLOWING,”—the district court found it “does not communi-
    cate the most crucial piece of information, namely, that a judge
    may enter a de facto detention order by setting unaffordable se-
    cured money bail even after considering the information provided
    by the defendant.” The district court also noted that Judge Turner
    testified that he does not inform criminal defendants of the four-
    teen factors he uses to set secured bail, so a defendant may not
    know what information may be important to share at the hearing.
    Not only that, but the form is only offered to arrestees, and some
    don’t take it. Plus, the district court found that many arrestees can-
    not read or write, rendering the information on the Questionnaire
    “tantamount to no notice at all.”
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    Even Judge Turner admitted that he had “no idea” whether
    arrestees were ever advised of the fourteen factors that are sup-
    posed to be considered to determine arrestees’ release conditions.
    But the Supreme Court has explained that “[t]he opportunity to be
    heard must be tailored to the capacities and circumstances of those
    who are to be heard.” Goldberg v. Kelly, 
    397 U.S. 254
    , 268 (1970).
    And “at a minimum, the Due Process Clause requires notice and
    the opportunity to be heard incident to the deprivation of . . . lib-
    erty . . . at the hands of the government.” Grayden v. Rhodes, 
    345 F.3d 1225
    , 1232 (11th Cir. 2003).
    As for the lack of an opportunity to be heard, the district
    court found that Cullman County “impermissibly leave[s] a crimi-
    nal defendant’s opportunity to be heard, a ‘fundamental require-
    ment of due process,’ up to the judge’s discretion.” (quoting
    Mathews, 
    424 U.S. at 333
    ). And the district court also observed that
    the Standing Bail Order likewise does not require the judge to give
    the defendant the chance to present evidence.
    Turning to the lack of an evidentiary standard, the district
    court noted that the Standing Bail Order did not identify any stand-
    ard of proof by which the factfinder must find the defendant to be
    a failure-to-appear or danger risk.
    And on the lack of factual findings, the district court found
    that “Cullman County judges do not actually make ‘findings.’” Ra-
    ther, they “merely check[] a box for any of fourteen factors [they]
    ‘considered.’” So, for example, a judge might simply check the box
    next to “age, background and family ties, relationships and
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    circumstances of the defendant” without explaining what he
    learned or how it influenced his decision. Comparing that to the
    ODonnell hearing officers’ insufficient “jotting [of] abbreviated fac-
    tors such as ‘safety’ or ‘criminal history,’” the district judge found
    Cullman County’s practice to be “just as inadequate.”
    The problem with this practice, the district judge explained,
    arises most significantly when “an indigent defendant finally ob-
    tains the assistance of appointed counsel [to move for reconsidera-
    tion of a bond], but the record affords appointed counsel no infor-
    mation regarding the rationale for her client’s bond, making the
    task of identifying error and challenging the bail amount unreason-
    ably—and potentially insurmountably—difficult.” As the district
    court cogently reasoned, “Checking boxes for factors ‘considered’
    is tantamount to providing counsel with a copy of Rule 7.2(a) of
    the Alabama Rules of Criminal Procedure; checkboxes for factors
    ‘considered’ provide no meaningful information to indigent de-
    fendants or their appointed counsel.” To correct these problems,
    the district court required judges to state on the record their rea-
    sons for determining that a secured money bond above a defend-
    ant’s financial means was necessary to ensure the defendant’s ap-
    pearance at trial or protect the community.
    Compounding all these deficiencies, the district court found,
    was the lack of counsel at the bail hearing. As the court explained,
    most of these other deficiencies could be addressed by having
    counsel present to ensure the defendant understood the purpose of
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    the proceeding and the court provided the other requisite proce-
    dural protections.
    But the first opportunity for counsel’s involvement in the
    bail process for indigent defendants does not occur until the ap-
    pointed attorney files a motion for reconsideration of bail and the
    court hears the motion—a process that generally takes up to a
    month or more. In other words, an indigent defendant can sit in
    jail for up to a month or more—a month!—before he receives his
    first meaningful opportunity to be heard. To be clear, that’s a
    month in jail—without conviction—before the indigent defendant
    even has his first meaningful opportunity to be heard on bail.
    That’s a long time for someone who is presumed innocent. Yet
    “[t]he fundamental requisite of due process of law is the oppor-
    tunity to be heard . . . at a meaningful time and in a meaningful
    manner.” Goldberg, 397 U.S. at 267 (cleaned up).
    In sum, the district court found in Cullman County’s bail
    practices the same process deficiencies the Fifth Circuit found in
    Harris County’s bail practices in ODonnell. For the same reasons
    the Fifth Circuit concluded Harris County’s bail practices violated
    the due-process rights of indigent arrestees, then, Cullman
    County’s bail practices do.
    Moving to the equal-protection analysis, first, just as Harris
    County’s bail practices in ODonnell did, Cullman County’s bail
    practices trigger heightened scrutiny under Rodriguez. In Cullman
    County, as in Harris County, indigent arrestees are absolutely
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    deprived of pretrial release just because they are too poor to pay
    for it. We know this for at least two reasons.
    First, the district court found that the Standing Bail Order
    “does nothing to secure public safety.” That finding is not clearly
    erroneous. In fact, the Standing Bail Order itself favorably cites
    precedent for the proposition that “[t]he bond schedule represents
    an assessment of what bail amount would ensure the appearance
    of the average defendant facing such a charge and is therefore
    aimed at assuring the presence of a defendant.” Standing Bail Or-
    der at 2 (cleaned up). Judge Turner similarly characterized the pur-
    pose of the secured-bail schedule as being “[t]o secure the return of
    the defendant, to meet their court dates.”
    And although the Standing Bail Order calls for bail request
    forms to seek release conditions other than the scheduled bail for
    nonindigent defendants when danger or failure-to-appear risk ex-
    ists, the district court also found that the Sheriff just about never
    uses them in warrantless arrests. That means Cullman County
    makes no inquiry into risk of danger before releasing nonindigent
    defendants arrested without a warrant. Meanwhile, Cullman
    County requires all indigent defendants to undergo a danger assess-
    ment and then imposes bond based on that. So two similarly situ-
    ated arrestees with the same arrest offense, the same criminal his-
    tory, and the same offense circumstances—but one of whom is in-
    digent and the other not—will have two different pretrial-release
    statuses. The indigent defendant will remain in jail pretrial on a
    secured bond set too high for the defendant to afford, but the
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    nonindigent defendant who represents the same safety risk will
    stay in jail for no more than about ninety minutes after his arrest.
    And since the only difference between these two defendants is that
    one is indigent and the other isn’t, it’s clear that any alleged danger
    risk is not driving the difference in release status. Rather, as far as
    risk of danger is concerned, the indigent defendant is, in fact, incar-
    cerated just because of his indigence.
    Second, Cullman County asserts that its bail schedule is
    meant to address risk of flight, and since the indigent by definition
    can’t pay their scheduled bail, their bail hearings and resulting bail
    or other release requirements are intended to take the place of the
    scheduled bail amounts. But Cullman County’s bail-schedule pro-
    cedure makes no individualized inquiry into failure-to-appear risk
    that nonindigent arrestees might present. And the County could
    identify no empirical evidence showing that the scheduled secured
    bail amounts in fact reasonably ensure nonindigent defendants’ ap-
    pearances or if they do so, that they do so more than unsecured
    bonds would.
    In this respect, the district court favorably cited “several re-
    cent empirical studies that compare the effectiveness of different
    kinds of bonds in assuring appearance in court . . . [and] [found] no
    difference in the effectiveness of secured and unsecured bonds.”
    (quotation marks omitted) (first bracketed alteration added). As
    the district court noted, one study found that “regardless of a crim-
    inal defendant’s pretrial risk category, unsecured bonds offer deci-
    sion-makers the same likelihood of court appearance as do secured
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    bonds.” (internal quotation marks omitted). In fact, the district
    court found that “secured money bail actually may undermine the
    government’s interest in court appearance because money bail re-
    sults in longer periods of pretrial detention for those who cannot
    easily afford bail, which, in turn, is associated with higher failure to
    appear rates.” And as the district court found, even Judge Turner
    “acknowledged that an individual would have just as much ‘skin in
    the game’ with an unsecured bond [as with a secured bond].”
    No one argues that the district court’s factual finding that
    unsecured bond is at least as effective as secured bond in ensuring
    a defendant’s presence for court proceedings is clearly erroneous.
    Nor, on this record, could they succeed in such an argument. So
    we must accept this factual finding. Because unsecured bond
    would reasonably ensure a defendant’s presence as much as se-
    cured bond, the imposition of secured bonds on the indigent func-
    tions solely to keep indigent defendants detained.
    Overall, under Cullman County’s bail practices, just like un-
    der Harris County’s bail practices, indigent arrestees cannot pay se-
    cured bail, “and, as a result, sustain an absolute deprivation of their
    most basic liberty interests—freedom from incarceration.” See
    ODonnell, 892 F.3d at 162. And they are “incarcerated where sim-
    ilarly situated wealthy arrestees are not, solely because the indigent
    cannot afford to pay a secured bond.” See id. Also as in ODonnell,
    as the due-process analysis here shows, because of their indigency,
    Cullman County indigent defendants do not receive a meaningful
    opportunity to enjoy pretrial release.
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    For these reasons, again, as in ODonnell, heightened scru-
    tiny applies when we perform an equal-protection analysis of Cull-
    man County’s bail practices. Cullman County’s bail practices fare
    no better than did Harris County’s.
    There’s no question that Cullman County has legitimate in-
    terests in its stated concerns for minimizing the risks of failure to
    appear and danger to the community. But for the reasons the dis-
    trict court found and I’ve just described, Cullman County’s bail
    practices, like Harris County’s in ODonnell, are “not narrowly tai-
    lored to meet th[ose] interest[s].” Id. Again echoing Harris
    County’s situation in ODonnell, Cullman County did not establish
    a “link between financial conditions of release and appearance at
    trial or law-abiding behavior before trial.” See id. Nor (like Harris
    County in ODonnell) did Cullman County submit data showing
    that secured bail was more effective than unsecured bail in ensur-
    ing an arrestee’s future appearance. See id. But like the ODonnell
    plaintiffs, Hester and the putative class did present data indicating
    that using secured bail might increase the likelihood of unlawful
    behavior. Id.
    As for Cullman County’s claimed interest in “providing pre-
    trial release as quickly as possible for all who can afford it,” part of
    Cullman County’s equal-protection problem stems from this very
    mindset. While it is admirable that Cullman County seeks to pro-
    vide speedy release, its legitimate interest relating to this concern
    must follow its legitimate interests in minimizing the risks of failure
    to appear and danger to the community. Or releasing those who
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    can afford bail, without considering whether their scheduled se-
    cured bail minimizes failure-to-appear and danger risks, could eas-
    ily work at cross-purposes with those stated interests. And so Cull-
    man County’s third interest more specifically lies in providing pre-
    trial release as quickly as possible for all whose failure-to-appear
    and danger risks can be reasonably minimized through adequate
    release conditions—no matter if that is by secured money bond or
    other conditions. But as I’ve explained, Cullman County’s bail
    practices are not narrowly tailored to further that interest.
    Given these facts, it is no surprise that the district court
    found that “Cullman County’s stated interests [justifying its use of
    secured bonds] are illusory and conspicuously arbitrary.” In fact, it
    concluded that “[n]one of the interests that the defendants have
    identified relating to Cullman County’s secured bail procedures
    finds support in the current record.”
    So at bottom—and again, as in ODonnell—under Cullman
    County’s bail practices, “two misdemeanor arrestees who are iden-
    tical in every way—same charge, same criminal backgrounds, same
    circumstances, etc.—except that one is wealthy and one is indi-
    gent,” “would almost certainly receive identical secured bail
    amounts.” See id. at 163. The wealthy arrestee could post bond,
    while the indigent one would not. See id. And as a result, “the
    wealthy arrestee [would be] less likely to plead guilty, more likely
    to receive a shorter sentence or be acquitted, and less likely to bear
    the social costs of incarceration.” See id. Meanwhile, the indigent
    arrestee would not enjoy those same advantages. See id. Like the
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    Fifth Circuit, I conclude that, under Rainwater and Supreme Court
    precedent, this violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Four-
    teenth Amendment. Id.
    B.     Contrary to the Majority Opinion’s conclusion, our
    caselaw does not “amply support[] the conclusion
    that Cullman County’s bail scheme does not uncon-
    stitutionally discriminate against the indigent,” Maj.
    Op. at 46
    The Majority Opinion reaches the opposite determination,
    holding that “[o]ur caselaw amply supports the conclusion that
    Cullman County’s bail scheme does not unconstitutionally dis-
    criminate against the indigent.” Maj. Op. at 46. The Majority
    Opinion relies specifically on Rainwater and Walker. See Maj. Op.
    at 46–61. Neither helps the Majority Opinion’s case.
    I begin with Rainwater. To be sure, the general legal princi-
    ples Rainwater articulates do govern our analysis here. As we said
    in Walker, “[t]he sine qua non of a Bearden- or Rainwater-style
    claim . . . is that the State is treating the indigent and the non-indi-
    gent category differently. Only someone who can show that the
    indigent are being treated systematically worse solely because of
    [their] lack of financial resources—and not for some legitimate
    State interest—will be able to make out such a claim.” 901 F.3d at
    1260 (internal citation and quotation marks omitted). As I’ve ex-
    plained in Section IV.A. of this dissent, Hester and the putative class
    can show that they satisfy this test, so Rainwater’s legal principle
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    requires the conclusion that Cullman County’s bail practices vio-
    late the Fourteenth Amendment.
    But the Majority Opinion’s efforts to avoid this conclusion
    by shoehorning the facts of Hester’s case into the pattern of the
    facts in Rainwater to conclude that Cullman County’s bail practices
    are like Florida’s rule and are therefore constitutional are another
    story. The problem is that shoe is too small for Hester’s facts to fit.
    In Rainwater, as I’ve discussed, the former Fifth Circuit con-
    sidered only a facial challenge to Florida’s then-new rule establish-
    ing the pretrial bail system. 
    572 F.2d at 1055
    . Florida’s bail system’s
    sole purpose was “to reasonably assure defendant’s presence at
    trial.” 
    Id. at 1057
    . It did not purport to seek to minimize danger to
    the community. See 
    id.
     at 1055 n.2. And Florida’s rule required
    the court to impose simply what was “necessary to assure the de-
    fendant’s appearance.” See id.; see also 
    id. at 1058
    .
    Hester’s case is distinguishable for a few reasons. First, as I
    have discussed in Section I, unlike the facial challenge at issue in
    Rainwater, Hester’s case is based on Cullman County’s actual bail
    practices; it is not solely a facial challenge to the Standing Bail Or-
    der. So unlike in Rainwater, we must consider the district court’s
    factual findings about Cullman County’s actual bail practices; it is
    not enough to look simply and solely at the Standing Bail Order.
    Second, unlike Florida’s rule, Cullman County asserts as a
    justification for bail an interest in reasonably ensuring that the de-
    fendant will not present a risk of danger to the community or
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    himself. Yet when we look at Cullman County’s actual bail prac-
    tices, we find that Cullman County does not, in fact, account for
    this interest when it comes to nonindigent defendants. As I have
    noted, the bail schedule does not purport to be directed at reason-
    ably ensuring that a defendant is not a danger. And the district
    court found that Cullman County pretty much never uses its bail-
    request-form tool to seek for nonindigent defendants release con-
    ditions or restrictions geared towards Cullman County’s claimed
    interest in reasonably ensuring the safety of the public.
    The Majority Opinion ignores this factual finding without
    finding it clearly erroneous and instead concludes, contrary to the
    record, that Cullman County “do[es] account for the danger factor
    in that law enforcement is expected to file a ‘Bail Request Form’ to
    avoid the release of any arrestee who might be a danger to the pub-
    lic.” Maj. Op. at 56 n.7. Only by failing to reckon with Cullman
    County’s actual bail practices, as found by the district court, is the
    Majority Opinion able to conclude that Cullman County “place[s]
    all arrestees on equal footing [because] all are released as soon as
    they are able to show that they are not a flight risk or danger to the
    community.” Maj. Op. at 56. Because that conclusion requires us
    to impermissibly ignore the district court’s factual findings that
    nonindigent defendants are never assessed for danger, it cannot
    bring Hester’s case within the factual pattern on which Rainwater
    was decided.
    Third, unlike in the facial challenge in Rainwater, here, the
    district court made factual findings that “secured money bail is not
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    more effective than unsecured bail or non-monetary conditions of
    release in reducing the risk of flight from prosecution” and that
    “unsecured bonds offer decision-makers the same likelihood of
    court appearance as do secured bonds.” It also found that “secured
    bail is not necessary to secure a criminal defendant’s appearance.”
    The Majority Opinion has not determined those findings to
    be clearly erroneous. So on this record, a secured bond cannot be
    the least onerous way of reasonably ensuring the defendant’s ap-
    pearance. Yet Judge Turner testified that under the Standing Bail
    Order system, he sets secured bonds for indigent defendants at
    their initial appearances about half the time. And the district court
    found that “[i]t is not uncommon for a judge to set a bond in an
    amount he knows the defendant cannot afford.” In other words,
    as a practice, Cullman County sets indigent defendants’ bonds in
    secured amounts it knows they cannot pay, thereby keeping them
    in jail pretrial, even though that is unnecessary to reasonably en-
    sure their appearances in court.
    But in Rainwater, where we looked to only the bail rule at
    issue there (not to actual court practices), we assumed the judges’
    compliance with the language of the rule, requiring judges not to
    impose any more bail than was “necessary” to secure the defend-
    ants’ appearances there. For that reason, we found the rule did not
    violate Fourteenth Amendment concerns. Because the factual
    findings here show that the district court imposes secured bonds
    that indigent defendants cannot afford when such bonds are unnec-
    essary to obtain their appearances in court, Rainwater’s conclusion
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    that the Florida rule did not violate the Fourteenth Amendment
    does not determine the outcome here. The district court’s factual
    finding in this respect further shows, on the appearance-risk assess-
    ment, that Cullman County’s bail practices do not “place all ar-
    restees on equal footing,” Maj. Op. at 56, since Cullman County
    sets secured bonds, knowing the indigent will be unable to afford
    them and obtain release, when unsecured bonds would equally se-
    cure the indigent defendants’ court appearances and similarly situ-
    ated nonindigent defendants are released.
    For these reasons—and contrary to the Majority Opinion’s
    conclusion—Rainwater does not support the Majority Opinion’s
    determination here that Cullman County’s bail practices comply
    with the Fourteenth Amendment. To the contrary, it shows why
    Cullman County’s bail practices are not constitutional.
    Walker likewise fails to support the conclusion that Cullman
    County’s bail practices do not violate the Fourteenth Amendment.
    In Walker, as in Rainwater but unlike here, we were faced with
    only a facial challenge to Calhoun County’s standing bail order.
    901 F.3d at 1267 n.13. We applied rational-basis scrutiny to Cal-
    houn County’s standing bail order because the provisions of that
    order did not cause the Walker plaintiffs to suffer “an absolute dep-
    rivation on account of wealth.” Id. at 1266 n.12.
    But we were careful to distinguish the circumstances in
    Walker from the facts of ODonnell, where the Fifth Circuit applied
    heightened scrutiny to Harris County’s bail practices. See id. In
    fact, we emphasized that the Fifth Circuit, unlike the Walker
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    Court, had “extensive factual findings from the district court, re-
    sulting from a lengthy evidentiary hearing” about Harris County’s
    actual bail practices. Id. As we explained in Walker, the ODonnell
    district court’s factual findings caused the Fifth Circuit to conclude
    that Harris County’s practices “resulted in [indefinite] detainment
    solely due to a person’s indigency.” Id. (quoting ODonnell, 892
    F.3d at 161). We said that “[w]ere the facts of this case the same,
    Walker would have a much stronger argument that indigents in
    the City face an absolute deprivation on account of wealth that
    would trigger the Rodriguez exception.” Id.
    Hester’s case, for reasons I’ve explained in Sections I and IV
    of this dissent, is like ODonnell. As in ODonnell, the district court
    here held an extended evidentiary hearing and received and re-
    viewed many exhibits. And as the district court in ODonnell did
    about Harris County’s bail practices, the district court here, based
    on the evidence from the hearing, made factual findings about
    Cullman County’s actual bail practices. As I’ve discussed, the dis-
    trict court’s findings here—which are not clearly erroneous—re-
    quire the conclusion that Cullman County’s bail practices, like
    those of Harris County, “result in [indefinite] detainment solely
    due to a person’s indigency.” See ODonnell, 892 F.3d at 161.
    The Majority Opinion asserts that we never said in Walker
    that requiring indigent defendants to show that they are not a flight
    risk or danger to the community to secure release “would some-
    how result in a constitutional infirmity.” Maj. Op. at 55. That’s
    true; we didn’t. But that misses the point. It’s not that requiring
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    indigent defendants to show that they are not a flight risk or a dan-
    ger to the community by itself is unconstitutional. Of course, bail
    systems can require indigent defendants to do that before releasing
    them.
    But bail systems cannot require indigent defendants to make
    those showings when they don’t require the same thing of nonin-
    digent defendants. And they cannot refuse to release indigent de-
    fendants when they release similarly situated nonindigent defend-
    ants and have ways to release indigent defendants in a way that
    equally satisfies the government’s interests in bail.
    As for other aspects of Walker, the Calhoun County bail sys-
    tem was different from Cullman County’s bail practices in other
    significant ways as well. Though Calhoun County allowed those
    defendants who could meet the bail schedule to be released imme-
    diately and required indigent defendants to undergo a hearing be-
    fore they could be released, Calhoun County’s system included
    several procedural guarantees that made those hearings meaning-
    ful—procedural guarantees that are not present in Cullman
    County’s bail practices. For example, an indigent defendant had a
    right to be represented by court-appointed counsel at his bail hear-
    ing,Walker, 901 F.3d at 1252; his hearing (where he was repre-
    sented) was held within 48 hours of his arrest, id.; the sole purpose
    of the hearing was to determine whether the defendant met the
    indigency standard—that is, that he earned less than 100 percent of
    the federal poverty guidelines (unless there was evidence he had
    other resources that might reasonably be used), id.; and if the court
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    found he met that standard, the court had to release him on his
    own recognizance, without a secured bond, id.
    None of these circumstances apply in Cullman County. In
    contrast, in Cullman County, an indigent defendant generally does
    not receive a bail hearing where he is represented by counsel for a
    month from his arrest. Instead, he has an unrepresented appear-
    ance before a district judge (or possibly a magistrate) within 72
    hours of his arrest. The purpose of the hearing is not only to de-
    termine his indigency (by a non-specific standard) but also to deter-
    mine what his bail should be (based on an unidentified standard of
    proof). The defendant very well may not receive notice of the pur-
    pose of that hearing. In addition, by design, the presiding judge
    may not ask many questions or receive much information before
    determining what bond or other conditions to impose. And the
    judge may impose a bond that he knows the defendant cannot af-
    ford to pay, effectively detaining the defendant. The judge need
    not state his reasons for his decision on the record, so even when
    the defendant receives his counseled hearing on his motion to re-
    duce bond a month later, counsel may not know why the judge
    imposed the bond he did. 7
    7 The Majority Opinion opines that “[r]equiring judges to make oral findings .
    . . would inject unnecessary procedural complication into the process.” Maj.
    Op. at 66–67 n.10. In support of this conclusion, the Majority Opinion cites
    ODonnell for the proposition that the Fifth Circuit “decline[d] to hold that the
    Constitution requires the County to produce 50,000 written opinions per year
    to satisfy due process.” Id. (quoting ODonnell, 892 F.3d at 160). Ironically,
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    These circumstances—which contrast significantly with the
    procedural protections Calhoun County’s bail system provided—
    violate “[t]he fundamental requisite of due process of law,” which
    is “the opportunity to be heard . . . at a meaningful time and in a
    meaningful manner.” Goldberg, 397 U.S. at 267. Part of that guar-
    antee means that “[t]he opportunity to be heard must be tailored
    to the capacities and circumstances of those who are to be heard.”
    Id. at 269. So indigent defendants who do not receive proper notice
    of the purpose of the uncounseled bond hearing and of their rights
    at the bond hearing—and who do not receive a counseled bond
    hearing for up to a month—do not enjoy an opportunity to be
    heard at a meaningful time and in a meaningful manner.
    For all these reasons, Walker does not support the conclu-
    sion that Cullman County’s bail practices don’t violate the Four-
    teenth Amendment.
    Finally, I want to address the Majority Opinion’s contention
    that Cullman County’s 72-hour period within which it provides in-
    itial, uncounseled bond hearings is constitutionally permissible be-
    cause “[i]n the federal criminal system, . . . a district court is free to
    though, ODonnell did not impose a written-opinion requirement because it
    concluded that “requiring magistrates to specifically enunciate their individu-
    alized, case-specific reasons for [imposing de facto detention] is a sufficient
    remedy.” In other words, the Majority Opinion cites ODonnell’s determina-
    tion that oral statements of reasons for bail determinations satisfy due process
    to hold that oral statements of reasons for bail determinations are unnecessary
    to satisfy due process. I do not see how one follows the other.
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    delay a bail hearing by three days after an arrestee’s initial appear-
    ance.” Maj. Op. at 54. I do not believe that the Bail Reform Act,
    codified at 
    18 U.S.C. § 3142
    , necessarily establishes that Cullman
    County’s 72-hour period is constitutional.
    As relevant here, Salerno, 
    481 U.S. 739
    , the case involving
    the constitutionality of the Bail Reform Act, considered only
    whether the Act’s provisions permitting pretrial detention based on
    future dangerousness were constitutional. See 
    id. at 746
    . It did not
    address or have reason to contemplate whether the 72-hour period
    set forth in the Act is always (or even ever) permissible under due-
    process requirements. And resolving the issue before it did not re-
    quire it to determine whether the 72-hour period satisfied due pro-
    cess.
    But assuming for the purposes of this opinion that Salerno
    did establish that a 72-hour period does not always violate due pro-
    cess, I do not think it can be fairly read for the proposition that a
    72-hour period never violates due process. This is so because the
    Bail Reform Act contains several procedural safeguards that are not
    always built into every bail system, and that may render the 72-
    hour period under the circumstances of the Bail Reform Act more
    constitutionally palatable than a 72-hour period might be in other
    circumstances. To put a finer point on it, the safeguards that the
    Bail Reform includes are not a part of Cullman County’s bail prac-
    tices.
    For starters, the Bail Reform Act does not purport to gener-
    ally authorize all arrestees to be held for 72 hours while awaiting
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    their bond hearings. Rather, setting aside circumstances when the
    defendant seeks additional time to prepare for a hearing, a defend-
    ant may be held for 72 hours before his pretrial-detention hearing
    only in limited circumstances. First, either the government must
    affirmatively move for pretrial detention, 
    18 U.S.C. § 3142
    (f)(1), (2),
    or the court sua sponte must determine it should consider pretrial
    detention, 
    id. at 3142
    (f)(2). Second, if the government moves for
    pretrial detention, one of four circumstances must exist: (1) the
    defendant must be charged with a crime to which Congress has
    attached a presumption of serious risk of flight or danger to the
    community (or both), see, e.g., 
    id.
     § 3142(f)(1)(A), (B), (C) (E); (2)
    the defendant must be charged with a felony after conviction of at
    least two offenses delineated by Congress, see id. § 3142(f)(1)(D);
    (3) the government must conclude that the defendant presents “a
    serious risk that [he] will flee,” id. § 3142(f)(2)(A); or (4) the govern-
    ment must conclude that the defendant presents “a serious risk that
    [he] will obstruct or attempt to obstruct justice, or threaten, injure,
    or intimidate, or attempt to threaten, injure, or intimidate, a pro-
    spective witness or juror,” id. § 3142(f)(2)(B). If the judicial officer
    decides a detention hearing is necessary, she must find that either
    the third or fourth circumstance applies. See id. § 3142(f)(2). No-
    tably, these requirements apply equally to indigent and nonindi-
    gent defendants alike.
    The upshot of this is that, unlike in Cullman County, where
    all indigent arrestees—regardless of the failure-to-appear or danger
    risk they present—are subject to up to a 72-hour period of jail
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    confinement before their bond hearings, only those who satisfy
    specific criteria that make them more likely to need to be held in
    pretrial detention are authorized under the Bail Reform Act to be
    held for 72 hours before their bail hearings.
    Let me put this in further context. If, loosely translated, the
    Bail Reform Act’s requirements applied in Cullman County, before
    an indigent defendant could be required to wait up to 72 hours for
    his bond hearing, the Sheriff would have to affirmatively seek pre-
    trial detention for specific indigent defendants because he deter-
    mined that they represented a serious risk of flight or a serious risk
    of danger (assuming that he also did so for nonindigent defend-
    ants—which, the facts here show he does not). That is so be-
    cause—except for murder and offenses that could be charged as
    murder—Alabama law, unlike federal law, creates no presump-
    tions that pretrial detention may be appropriate.
    The meaningful differences between the Bail Reform Act
    and Cullman County’s bail practices do not end there. Under the
    Bail Reform Act, a defendant has a right to be represented by coun-
    sel (appointed if necessary), 
    18 U.S.C. § 3142
    (f)(2)(B), at the hearing
    that occurs within 72 hours. As I’ve noted, though, Cullman
    County holds its bond hearings within 72 hours without appointing
    counsel to represent indigent defendants at those hearings.
    The Bail Reform Act also provides defendants at their hear-
    ings “an opportunity to testify, to present witnesses, to cross-exam-
    ine witnesses who appear at the hearing, and to present infor-
    mation by proffer or otherwise.” 
    Id.
     Though Cullman County’s
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    practices involve asking indigent defendants some limited ques-
    tions at their bond hearings, Cullman County forms do not require
    judges to allow defendants to make statements and present infor-
    mation by proffer or otherwise. Nor do they provide for indigent
    defendants to present (or cross-examine) witnesses at the hearing.
    Other ways the Bail Reform Act safeguards differ from Cull-
    man County’s practices include the requirements that (1) to pretrial
    detain a defendant based on a finding that “no condition or combi-
    nation of conditions will reasonably assure the safety of any other
    person and the community,” the judicial officer must make her
    finding by “clear and convincing evidence,” id.; and (2) the Bail
    Reform Act requires judges who detain defendants to issue deten-
    tion orders that “include written findings of fact and a written state-
    ment of the reasons for the detention,” 
    id.
     § 3142(i)(1). In contrast,
    Cullman County has no standard by which the judge must find a
    defendant to be a danger or flight risk, and it does not require its
    judges to announce in any form (written or oral)—or even make,
    for that matter—findings of fact or reasons for the detention.
    These differences in safeguards are significant—especially
    the right to counsel. And even setting aside the independent con-
    stitutional violations Cullman County’s practices might represent,
    these Bail Reform Act safeguards could affect the length of the pe-
    riod for which a person may be constitutionally held before he has
    a bail (or detention) hearing. In other words, when some legisla-
    tive presumption or individualized determination that a defendant
    may present a serious risk of flight or danger to the community
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    exists, and the government provides all (or some constitutionally
    significant combination of) the procedural protections the Bail Re-
    form Act affords, perhaps due process is better able to tolerate the
    delay in the bail proceedings. Due-process-safeguard-wise, the de-
    lay may be “worth it.” After all, the Mathews v. Eldridge balancing
    test has also been described as a “sliding scale.” See, e.g., Walsh v.
    Hodge, 
    975 F.3d 475
    , 483 (5th Cir. 2020). And if the procedural
    safeguards available affect how long due process allows for an ar-
    restee to be held before his bond hearing, Cullman County’s lack-
    ing protections mean due process may not tolerate a 72-hour pe-
    riod.
    Our precedent supports the district court’s conclusion here
    that Cullman County’s bail practices violate the Fourteenth
    Amendment.
    V.
    The Majority Opinion incorrectly concludes that the district
    court erred in finding a constitutional violation here. It does this
    because it baselessly throws out the district court’s factual findings,
    even though no party asserts that they are clearly erroneous and
    the Majority Opinion does not make that finding, either. Analyz-
    ing this case based on its factual record requires the conclusion that
    Cullman County’s bail practices violate the Fourteenth Amend-
    ment. Cullman County’s practices deprive indigent defendants of
    pretrial release when they allow similarly situated nonindigent de-
    fendants to enjoy pretrial release, and they do not contain adequate
    procedural protections before depriving indigent defendants of
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    pretrial release without a meaningful opportunity to be heard for
    up to a month or more. For these reasons, I respectfully dissent.