Mitchel Skolnick v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue ( 2023 )


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    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE THIRD CIRCUIT
    ____________
    Nos. 22-1501, 22-1502, and 22-1503
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    MITCHEL SKOLNICK; LESLIE SKOLNICK,
    Appellants in No. 22-1501
    v.
    COMMISSIONER OF INTERNAL REVENUE
    ____________
    MITCHEL SKOLNICK; BRIANNA SKOLNICK,
    Appellants in No. 22-1502
    v.
    COMMISSIONER OF INTERNAL REVENUE
    ____________
    ERIC FREEMAN,
    Appellant in No. 22-1503
    v.
    COMMISSIONER OF INTERNAL REVENUE
    ____________
    On Appeal from the United States Tax Court
    (IRS Nos. 16-24649, 16-24650, 16-24980)
    Tax Court Judge: Honorable Albert G. Lauber
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    Submitted Under Third Circuit L.A.R. 34.1(a)
    January 30, 2023
    Before: HARDIMAN, KRAUSE, and MATEY, Circuit
    Judges.
    (Filed: March 8, 2023)
    Bryan E. Bloom
    Kevin H. DeMaio
    Faegre Drinker Biddle & Reath
    600 Campus Drive
    Florham Park, NJ 07932
    B. Paul Husband
    Law Offices of B. Paul Husband
    101 South First Street
    Suite 202
    Burbank, CA 91502
    Richard W. Craigo
    10724 Wilshire Boulevard
    Suite 406
    Los Angeles, CA 90024
    Counsel for Appellants
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    David A. Hubbert
    Janet A. Bradley
    Joan I. Oppenheimer
    United States Department of Justice
    Tax Division
    Room 4738
    950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
    P.O. Box 502
    Washington, DC 20044
    Counsel for Appellee
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    OPINION OF THE COURT
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    HARDIMAN, Circuit Judge.
    Mitchel Skolnick, Leslie Skolnick, Brianna Skolnick,
    and Eric Freeman (collectively, Taxpayers), appeal an order of
    the United States Tax Court. They argue the Court clearly erred
    when it held their horse activity—undertaken through
    Bluestone Farms, LLC (the Company)—was “not engaged in
    for profit” under § 183 of the Internal Revenue Code.
    Taxpayers also claim the Court erred when it held they could
    not carry forward net operating losses (NOLs) allegedly arising
    from their horse activity in prior years. After scrutinizing the
    Tax Court’s comprehensive opinion, the record, and the briefs,
    we perceive no reversible error. We will affirm.
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    I
    A
    During the tax years at issue, 2010–2013, Mitchel
    Skolnick and Eric Freeman owned the Company, a horse farm
    in New Jersey. They bought, sold, bred, and raced
    Standardbred horses. Mitchel’s first wife, Leslie, and his
    second wife, Brianna, are parties to the case only because they
    filed tax returns jointly with Mitchel. So we focus on the
    activities of Mitchel and Eric.
    Mitchel received an undergraduate degree from Emory
    University in 1976 and an MBA from Adelphi University in
    1986. He remained in Atlanta after college and worked briefly
    as an engineer in training. In 1978, he joined Solgar Co., Inc.,
    a successful vitamin company his father Allen Skolnick
    operated. That same year, Allen took an interest in
    Standardbred horses, which led him and his wife to found
    Southwind Farms to start a breeding operation. In 1986,
    Mitchel started his own consulting firm and became involved
    in the Standardbred industry when Allen asked him to manage
    three horses. By 1996, Mitchel had retired from his consulting
    business and was working full-time at Southwind with Allen.
    Eric graduated from Cornell in 1966 and earned an
    MBA from the University of Virginia two years later. His
    career focused mainly on insurance. Eric’s clients included
    Southwind and Allen’s other ventures. Allen introduced Eric
    to Standardbred horse breeding.
    Around 1993, Eric asked Allen if he could get involved
    in the horse breeding industry. Allen invited Eric to join him,
    along with Mitchel, in the Chancery Equine Group, a syndicate
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    that enabled investors to purchase Standardbred horses. When
    Allen invited Eric to invest, he cautioned Eric that though he
    might lose all his money, he would at least meet people he
    would never meet otherwise. Eric called the predictions
    “prophetic.”
    Following disputes with his father, Mitchel left
    Southwind and the Chancery Group in 1998. Mitchel had
    discussed with Eric starting their own horse farm and they had
    created a business plan and a budget for the Company. They
    planned to buy and breed a stallion and to board other horses.
    To that end, they acquired 61 acres in Hopewell, New Jersey,
    not far from Southwind. They paid $559,000 for the property
    and called it Bluestone Farms.
    By 2000, Mitchel did not have the money to pay for the
    Company’s expenses, so Eric paid most of the bills while
    Mitchel returned to his consulting firm. That year, Mitchel and
    Eric crafted a second business plan, hoping to supplement the
    Company’s income by winning horse races and breeder’s
    awards. In 2001, the Company received $325,000 from a
    passive investor, Frank Russo, in exchange for a 15 percent
    interest. In 2002, the Company bought a 30-acre property,
    Wert Farm, for $850,000.
    In 2003, the Company sold a conservation easement at
    Bluestone for $869,640. The same year, Mitchel retired from
    the consulting business again, and he and Eric developed a
    third business plan. They wrote a fourth (and final) business
    plan in 2004. Soon after, Mitchel began receiving millions of
    dollars from an irrevocable trust his parents created. In 2007,
    the Company purchased 200 acres near Bluestone (the
    Rosenthal Farm) for $4 million. Mitchel and Eric planned to
    expand operations with more broodmares at Rosenthal Farm,
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    but that effort was halted after New Jersey ceased using
    Atlantic City casino funds to subsidize racetracks. The
    Company was audited in 2008, but the Commissioner of
    Internal Revenue took no adverse action. By 2009, Mitchel had
    received about $10 million from his parents’ trust.
    B
    During the tax years at issue (2010–2013) between 15
    and 25 horses lived at Bluestone, Wert, and Rosenthal Farms
    at any given time. Other horses were boarded at out-of-state
    farms. The Company employed between seven and ten
    employees who assisted with the horses and organized the
    Company records. None of the employees had a budget.
    Taxpayers do not contest that they lost more than $3.5 million
    during the years at issue and more than $11.4 million between
    1998 and 2013. See Skolnick v. Comm’r, 
    2021 WL 5936986
    ,
    at *20 (T.C. Dec. 16, 2021).
    Mitchel handled daily operations for the Company,
    including paying bills and monitoring the horse breeding
    process. Eric split his time between Florida and New Jersey,
    and handled the Company’s insurance needs, but had little
    involvement in its day-to-day operations. Eric did, however,
    accompany horses to races and attended “pretty lavish parties.”
    App. 972. Taxpayers contributed capital and made loans to the
    Company without differentiating between the two.
    Over the years, Taxpayers increasingly focused on
    winning studs. The Company owned a 35% interest in a
    successful stallion, Always A Virgin, stabled in Indiana. In
    2013, the Company bought for about $50,000 a 35 percent
    interest (later increased to 55 percent) in a horse sired by
    Always A Virgin called Always B Miki. Always B Miki earned
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    purses totaling $2.7 million from racing through his retirement
    in 2016 and generated substantial stud fees. In 2016, the
    Company sold interests in Always B Miki for nearly $1.2
    million, enabling it to report a modest overall profit in that
    year.
    During the tax years at issue, the Company responded
    to changes in the horse market. New Jersey stopped subsidies
    to racetracks and decreased the purse structures for breeder’s
    awards. Meanwhile, Pennsylvania had tightened its
    requirements for awards by requiring breeders to locate mares
    in Pennsylvania for 180 days to maintain eligibility for state-
    sponsored races. So the Company continued its previous
    partnership with a Kentucky operation, Cane Run Farm, to
    board horses outside Kentucky, including in Pennsylvania, to
    capitalize on breeder’s awards.
    The Wert and Rosenthal Farms were never expanded to
    include additional mares, as originally planned. Mitchel and
    Eric tried to sell those properties in 2012 to a publicly traded
    home builder, Toll Brothers, but negotiations failed. When
    Mitchel and Eric were approached in 2013 about a purchase of
    the building rights on Wert and Rosenthal Farms, they declined
    the offer.
    The Company also paid for many of Mitchel’s personal
    expenses. Mitchel moved to Bluestone in 2008 after he
    separated from Leslie. Brianna began staying with him around
    2009. Beginning in 2010, and for the rest of the years at issue,
    Mitchel and Brianna lived together rent-free in a renovated
    farmhouse at Bluestone. The Company paid to tear down and
    rebuild the farmhouse. By 2011, Brianna had a Company credit
    card that she sometimes used for personal expenses. The
    Company also paid for Brianna to keep her horses at Bluestone.
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    In 2013, Mitchel divorced Leslie and married Brianna. Mitchel
    admitted at trial that Company funds “definitely” paid for
    wedding expenses, including extensive landscaping. App. 790.
    C
    Mitchel filed joint tax returns with Leslie for 2010–
    2012, and with Brianna for 2013, claiming Company losses
    substantial enough to eliminate any income tax liability for
    those years. Eric also claimed losses and reported owing little
    or no taxes for the years at issue.
    In 2016, the Internal Revenue Service sent notices of
    income tax deficiencies and penalties to Mitchel and Leslie for
    2010–2012, Mitchel and Brianna for 2013, and Eric for 2010–
    2013. Taxpayers timely filed amended petitions in the United
    States Tax Court for a redetermination of the deficiencies and
    penalties.
    After a five-day trial, the Tax Court sustained the
    deficiency determinations, holding that Taxpayers could not
    deduct Company losses because their horse breeding activity
    was not engaged in for profit under § 183 of the Internal
    Revenue Code. Skolnick, 
    2021 WL 5936986
    , at *22. The Court
    also held that Taxpayers failed to substantiate net operating
    loss carryforwards that allegedly arose from Company activity.
    Id. at *23. The Court further held that Mitchel and Leslie were
    liable for the late-filing penalty, but Taxpayers were not liable
    for the accuracy-related penalties. Id.
    Under the final orders, the Skolnicks were liable for tax
    deficiencies for 2010–2013 of $282,036, $230,141, $189,077,
    and $174,664, respectively. Eric Freeman was liable for tax
    deficiencies of $52,421, $38,514, $39,478, and $21,385 for
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    those years. Mitchel and Leslie were also ordered to pay
    $67,026 for filing late in 2010. Taxpayers filed timely appeals
    and we consolidated the cases.
    II
    The Tax Court had jurisdiction under 
    26 U.S.C. §§ 6214
    and 7442. We have jurisdiction under 
    26 U.S.C. § 7482
    (a)(1).
    Venue was proper because, at the time they filed their petitions,
    Mitchel and Brianna resided in New Jersey, and Leslie resided
    in Pennsylvania. Eric resided in Florida, but the parties
    stipulated to venue in the Third Circuit for his appeal.
    III
    The key issue on appeal is whether Taxpayers’ horse
    activity was not engaged in for profit under § 183 of the
    Internal Revenue Code during 2010–2013. We review that
    factual determination for clear error. Keating v. Comm’r, 
    544 F.3d 900
    , 903 (8th Cir. 2008); Comm’r v. Duberstein, 
    363 U.S. 278
    , 291 & n.13 (1960). “[W]e affirm the court’s finding so
    long as it is ‘plausible’; we reverse only when ‘left with the
    definite and firm conviction that a mistake has been
    committed.’” Cooper v. Harris, 
    581 U.S. 285
    , 309 (2017)
    (citation omitted).
    Section 183(a) of the Internal Revenue Code provides
    that “[i]n the case of an activity engaged in by an individual or
    an S corporation, if such activity is not engaged in for profit,
    no deduction attributable to such activity shall be allowed. . .
    .” 
    26 U.S.C. § 183
    (a). Treasury Regulation 1.183–2(b) lists
    nine non-exclusive factors to consider in determining whether
    an activity is engaged in for profit. They are: (1) the manner in
    which the taxpayer carries on the activity; (2) the expertise of
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    the taxpayer or his advisors; (3) the time and effort expended
    by the taxpayer in carrying on the activity; (4) the expectation
    that assets used in the activity may appreciate in value; (5) the
    success of the taxpayer in carrying on other similar or
    dissimilar activities; (6) the taxpayer’s history of income or
    losses with respect to the activity; (7) the amount of occasional
    profits, if any; (8) the financial status of the taxpayer; and (9)
    elements of personal pleasure or recreation. 
    26 C.F.R. § 1.183
    –
    2(b). The inquiry is fact-driven and we give greater weight to
    objective facts than to intent. 
    26 C.F.R. §§ 1.183
    −2(a), (b). No
    one factor is determinative and the analysis does not depend on
    a preponderance of the nine factors. 
    26 C.F.R. § 1.183
    –2(b).
    The Tax Court considered these factors and determined
    that Taxpayers did not conduct the Company’s horse activity
    during 2010–2013 with a genuine intent to make a profit.
    Skolnick, 
    2021 WL 5936986
    , at *12–22. Section 183 thus
    disallowed as deductions the losses that the Company passed
    through to them. In its analysis, the Court found that five
    factors—1, 6, 7, 8, and 9—favored the Commissioner. Three
    factors—3, 4, and 5—were neutral. And only factor 2 favored
    Taxpayers. We review these three groups in turn. Taxpayers
    dispute the Tax Court’s analysis of every factor.
    A. Factors Favoring the Commissioner
    1
    Because the history of income and losses (factor 6) was
    “by far” the most important to the Tax Court’s analysis, we
    begin with that factor before discussing the other four that
    favored the Commissioner. Skolnick, 
    2021 WL 5936986
    , at
    *20. And it weighed heavily against Taxpayers. 
    Id.
     Between
    1998 and 2013, the Company lost more than $11.4 million. The
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    Tax Court has held the start-up phase for horse activity is five
    to ten years. Engdahl v. Comm’r, 
    72 T.C. 659
    , 669 (1979). But
    the Company’s losses continued essentially unabated after that
    timeframe. By 2010 the Company had been in operation for
    twelve years. Yet from 2010 through 2013, the Company lost
    more than $3.5 million.
    Taxpayers point to profits the Company earned after the
    years at issue, emphasizing the success of Always A Virgin.
    But as the Tax Court noted, those profits occurred after the IRS
    selected Mitchel and Leslie’s tax return for examination. So
    Taxpayers were motivated to generate a profit. Skolnick, 
    2021 WL 5936986
    , at *20. Taxpayers’ arguments about their gross
    receipts also fall flat because they failed to measure them
    against their expenditures. See Faulconer v. Comm’r, 
    748 F.2d 890
    , 901 (4th Cir. 1984).
    Taxpayers try to excuse the Company’s lack of profit by
    citing adverse events beyond their control. The Tax Court
    acknowledged that the economic environment for
    Standardbred horses had declined and that a financial crisis
    occurred in 2008. Skolnick, 
    2021 WL 5936986
    , at *20. But the
    elimination of the New Jersey subsidy to the horse industry in
    2012 “d[id] not explain the magnitude of [the Company’s] loss
    in 2012 ($993,066) or the magnitude of its losses in earlier
    years when the subsidy existed.” 
    Id.
     Likewise, the Company’s
    losses during the severe downturn in the economy from 2008–
    2010 ($3,063,893) were barely greater than its losses in 2011–
    2013 ($2,993,873), when the economy was recovering. 
    Id.
     So
    the Tax Court did not clearly err when it found that adverse
    market conditions did not explain the Company’s sustained
    unprofitability. The substantial history of losses strongly
    weighed against Taxpayers.
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    2
    The Tax Court found that the way Taxpayers conducted
    their horse activity (factor 1) also strongly favored the
    Commissioner. Skolnick, 
    2021 WL 5936986
    , at *12–15.
    Taxpayers challenge this finding by citing their voluminous
    business records. The Tax Court acknowledged the records but
    identified significant inaccuracies and gaps in them. Id. at *12.
    For example, although the Company was founded in 1998, the
    initial operating agreement between Mitchel and Eric was
    dated 2001. At trial, Mitchel could not recall how much he or
    Eric had initially contributed to the Company or if their
    contributions were equal. Mitchel also testified that he and Eric
    did not distinguish between capital contributions and loans. In
    the same vein, important changes in the ownership interests of
    the Company were not memorialized until after the IRS began
    its examination.
    Taxpayers claim the Court erroneously found that the
    regulation “requires” a plausible business plan. Taxpayers Br.
    26 n.11. But the Court said no such thing. Skolnick, 
    2021 WL 5936986
    , at *12. The lack of a business plan after 2004, plus
    the lack of employee budgets, supported a finding that the
    horse activity was not conducted in a businesslike manner.
    Mitchel did not help his case either when he testified that cost-
    saving options suggested by staff were not a priority because
    he approached the Company “not so much in income and
    expenses.” App. 910.
    If that were not enough, the Company paid for personal
    expenses, including the Bluestone farmhouse reconstruction
    and landscaping for Mitchel’s wedding. Brianna used a
    Company credit card for her personal expenses. Mitchel set
    aside the bills for the cost of boarding Brianna’s horses and
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    Company staff widened the walking path for her. At trial, when
    asked about some of these costs, Brianna called them her “bar
    tab,” but she could not say how much she owed. App. 1514–
    1515. Mitchel likewise testified: “it sounds like a lot of money,
    but . . . [Brianna is] my wife,” although he was still married to
    Leslie when many expenses were incurred. App. 803, 806–
    811. The Tax Court did not err when it said that piling these
    costs onto Bluestone “sits uneasily” with claims that the
    Company operated with a profit motive. Skolnick, 
    2021 WL 5936986
    , at *14.
    Taxpayers argue persuasively that the Court should not
    have substituted its own business judgment in evaluating how
    Mitchel and Eric responded to losses. See Skolnick, 
    2021 WL 5936986
    , at *15. Under the regulation, changing operating
    methods to respond to losses is evidence of a profit motive. 
    26 C.F.R. § 1.183
    –2(b)(1). Taxpayers responded to changes in
    breeder’s award requirements, including by partnering with
    Cane Run and boarding their horses in other states. Even so,
    those actions were minor cost-saving measures that are not
    quite the “abandonment of unprofitable methods”
    contemplated by this part of the regulation. 
    26 C.F.R. § 1.183
    –
    2(b)(1). Despite the Tax Court’s slight misstep, there remained
    sufficient evidence that the Company was not run in a
    businesslike manner. So the Court did not clearly err in
    weighing this factor in favor of the Commissioner.
    Mitchel’s and Eric’s financial status (factor 8) also
    weighed strongly in the Commissioner’s favor. Skolnick, 
    2021 WL 5936986
    , at *21. The Tax Court correctly considered
    Taxpayers’ substantial income from sources other than the
    Company as evidence that their horse breeding activity was not
    engaged in for profit. Both the Skolnicks’ and Eric’s returns
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    during the years in question reported six-figure gross income
    from sources other than the Company.
    Mitchel insists he did not invest in the Company for tax
    benefits, but the record suggests otherwise. The Company
    produced substantial tax benefits. Mitchel’s income totaled
    $3.5 million, some $1.5 million of which was taxable. Mitchel
    argues that if he had been motivated by tax savings, “surely”
    he would have been “savvy enough” to switch his tax-exempt
    bonds to another investment. Taxpayers Br. 51. But the
    substantial annual Company losses for 2010–2013 reduced
    Taxpayers’ income tax liabilities for those years to zero or
    close to it.
    Taxpayers argue that any tax benefits were not
    dispositive. That’s true, but the Tax Court did not rely on this
    factor alone. The tax benefits were real, they were significant,
    and the Court did not err in finding that factor 8 favored the
    Commissioner.
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    The last two factors that favored the Commissioner are
    the amount of occasional profits (factor 7) and the elements of
    personal pleasure or recreation (factor 9). Though we perceive
    some weaknesses in the Court’s analyses of these factors, it
    placed little weight or emphasis on either one.
    Taxpayers raise some persuasive challenges to the Tax
    Court’s analysis of factor 7—the amount of occasional profits.
    There is some evidence the Court did not acknowledge. For
    example, Frank Russo’s purchase of a 15 percent interest in the
    Company for $325,000 in 2001, although not generating an
    overall profit, was significant. Though Russo’s investment did
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    not put the Company in the black that year, the Court could
    have cited the sale as evidence that the Company was a
    business. There was also the 2003 sale of a conservation
    easement for $869,640, which offset a $652,453 loss. Finally,
    there were profits in 2016 from the sale of the interest in
    Always B Miki. But even had the Court noted this income, it
    would not have tipped the balance in favor of Taxpayers. The
    income was appreciably less than the Company’s consistent
    losses, which often exceeded $1 million a year. As the
    regulation states: “[a]n occasional small profit from an activity
    generating large losses . . . would not generally be
    determinative that the activity is engaged in for profit.” 
    26 C.F.R. § 1.183
    –2(b)(7). And the profit generated from Always
    B Miki is tempered by the fact that it occurred after the tax
    years at issue and after Taxpayers received the notices of
    deficiency.
    Factor 7 also accommodates speculative investments.
    The Tax Court acknowledged that it had “previously found
    certain horse activities—especially racing activities—to be
    highly speculative ventures, even likening them to wildcat oil
    drilling ventures.” Skolnick, 
    2021 WL 5936986
    , at *20 (citing
    Annuzzi v. Comm’r, 
    2014 WL 5904717
    , at *12 (T.C. Nov. 13,
    2014)). The Court then emphasized that the Company’s efforts
    are in breeding, not racing. 
    Id.
     Yet the Court ignored the
    possibility that breeding might be a speculative industry. At
    Southwind, for example, one horse drove farm profits. Mitchel
    also testified that “you raise several horses in the expectation
    that one of them will go on to be what Always B Miki is.” App.
    620. Still, the Court did not err in ultimately finding no hope
    of a big payout. The net profit from the sale of Always B Miki
    in 2016, for example, was $281,450, far below what was
    needed to offset the millions of dollars lost in prior years.
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    Taxpayers make another good point when they claim
    the Tax Court applied the wrong legal standard to factor 7. 
    26 C.F.R. § 1.183
    –2(b)(7). The Court did not think Taxpayers
    “entertained a reasonable belief, during 2010–2013, that the
    outsized success of a few horses would make Bluestone
    profitable overall.” Skolnick, 
    2021 WL 5936986
    , at *21. But a
    “reasonable expectation of profit is not required.” 
    26 C.F.R. § 1.183
    –2(a). The applicable standard is not whether
    Taxpayers had “a bona fide expectation” of profit, but whether
    they engaged in the activity with the “objective” of making a
    profit. See Dreicer v. Comm’r, 
    665 F.2d 1292
    , 1299–1300
    (D.C. Cir. 1981) (quoting 
    26 C.F.R. § 1.183
    –2(a)). The statute
    bars deductibility of losses emanating from “‘activities not
    engaged in for profit,’ not activities lacking an expectation of
    profit.” 
    Id.
     (quoting 
    26 U.S.C. § 183
    ). Despite this
    misstatement, the Tax Court did not clearly err in finding that
    factor 7 favored the Commissioner. As explained above, any
    profits, real or expected, were minimal compared to losses,
    even characterizing horse breeding as speculative. Although
    Taxpayers valiantly mined the record to show that the Court
    could have weighed the evidence differently, their evidence
    does not convince us that the District Court clearly erred.
    Factor 9—elements of personal pleasure or recreation—
    favored the Commissioner. As the Tax Court has previously
    recognized, “[s]uccess in business is largely obtained by
    pleasurable interest therein.” Jackson v. Comm’r, 
    59 T.C. 312
    ,
    317 (1972) (citation omitted). Still, “if the chance for profit is
    small relative to the potential for gratification, the latter may
    emerge as the primary motivation.” Annuzzi, 
    2014 WL 5904717
    , at *13. Here, Taxpayers do not meaningfully resist
    the Court’s analysis about Eric. But as to Mitchel, they insist
    there is no evidence he enjoyed the horse activity because he
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    never rode horses or had parties at Bluestone. The
    Commissioner argues that the Court based its finding on the
    opportunity to socialize. We agree with Mitchel on this point.
    The record does not support that the prospect of social
    opportunities mattered to Mitchel, notwithstanding his
    wedding party at Bluestone. We also agree with Mitchel that
    his enjoyment of the analytical approach to breeding supported
    the Company’s profit motive.
    We are unpersuaded, however, by Mitchel’s argument
    that any benefits of his residence at Bluestone somehow
    discount his pleasure in living on the property. The record
    supports the Court’s finding that the personal pleasure Mitchel
    derived from living at Bluestone outweighed the benefits that
    accrued to the Company. Mitchel moved to the farm in 2008
    after he separated from Leslie. By 2010, he and Brianna were
    living together rent-free in the renovated farmhouse. Mitchel
    allowed Brianna to use the property to ride her horses and to
    use a Company credit card for personal expenses. He also
    arranged for substantial improvements to Bluestone before
    their wedding and derived pleasure from residing on the 61-
    acre estate. These personal motives suggest that Mitchel’s
    operation of the Company was not for profit. On balance, we
    agree with the Court’s finding that factor 9 favored the
    Commissioner.
    B. Neutral Factors
    The Court deemed factors 3, 4, and 5 neutral. The Court
    and the parties spent more time evaluating factor 4—the
    expectation that the assets used in the activity may appreciate
    in value—so we focus on that factor first.
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    The Court found that the horse breeding operation and
    real estate holdings at Bluestone were interrelated. Skolnick,
    
    2021 WL 5936986
    , at *18. It follows that Taxpayers’
    expectation that the original property would appreciate
    supported their profit motive. The same is not true, however,
    of the Wert and Rosenthal Farms. There was little horse
    activity on those farms. They were almost sold to Toll Brothers
    for housing development, but whatever appreciation might
    have occurred in that respect could not have supported the
    notion that the Company bred horses for profit.
    As for the horses, the Court did not err when it found
    there was no plausible basis to find the Company’s herd would
    meaningfully appreciate in value. Skolnick, 
    2021 WL 5936986
    ,
    at *19. Even accepting Taxpayers’ belief that Always B Miki
    would succeed, the Company lost more than $11 million on
    horse ownership between 1998–2013. Weighing the evidence
    of Mitchel’s testimony against that of the IRS experts and the
    actual losses, we hold that the Court did not clearly err in
    discounting any expectation of the horses appreciating in
    value.
    We agree with the Tax Court that this factor was neutral
    because that expectation does not support a finding that the
    horse activity as a whole was conducted with a genuine intent
    to make a profit.
    We address factors 3 and 5 only briefly. Factor 3—the
    time and effort expended—was not meaningfully disputed by
    Eric, presumably because his involvement in the Company was
    minimal. Not so for Mitchel, who worked eight to nine hours a
    day, five to six days a week. Taxpayers rightly note that
    considerable hours spent on an activity might reflect a profit
    motive. But hours alone are not necessarily enough to find that
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    this factor must favor a taxpayer. See, e.g., Betts v. Comm’r,
    
    2010 WL 2990300
    , at *9 (T.C. Jul. 27, 2010) (although Betts
    spent a “significant amount of time on her horse activity,” the
    “many personal and recreational aspects” made the factor
    neutral). Here the Tax Court acknowledged Mitchel’s time, but
    also credited the testimony of Company employees that he was
    not much of a hands-on manager. Skolnick, 
    2021 WL 5936986
    ,
    at *16. The evidence here is equivocal, so the Court did not
    clearly err.
    Taxpayers rightly note that “withdrawal from another
    occupation to devote most of his energies to the activity” may
    suggest that the activity is engaged in for profit. 
    26 C.F.R. § 1.183
    –2(b)(3). Mitchel and Eric stopped working at their
    other jobs before working for the Company. And even after
    Mitchel went back to work at his consulting firm to help pay
    the Company’s bills, his second retirement coincided with his
    anticipated receipt of millions of dollars of trust funds. The
    Court did not clearly err in finding factor 3 to be neutral either.
    As for factor 5—success in similar activities—
    Taxpayers showed no meaningful synergy between their past
    business activities and their horse breeding operation. The
    Court did not err in finding this factor neutral.
    C. Factor Favoring Taxpayers
    Factor 2—the expertise of Taxpayers and their
    advisors—was the only one that favored Taxpayers. Skolnick,
    
    2021 WL 5936986
    , at *16. Both Mitchel and Eric had
    experience in the horse breeding industry dating back to their
    work with Southwind and the Chancery Equine Group. The
    Tax Court credited that experience. Skolnick, 
    2021 WL 5936986
    , at *16. Taxpayers argue that their experience should
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    have been given more weight. But the case they cite did not
    give this factor significant weight. See Den Besten v. Comm’r,
    
    2019 WL 6312955
    , at *9 (T.C. Nov. 25, 2019).
    Mitchel and Eric also consulted experts in the industry.
    But for § 183 purposes, that counts only if the expert advice
    advances the profit motive. See Whatley v. Comm’r, 
    2021 WL 289333
    , at *7 (T.C. Jan. 28, 2021). Taxpayers did not reveal
    what type of advice they sought from their advisors. So the
    Court did not err in giving little weight to the consultation of
    experts. As the Court noted, hobbyists “often seek expert
    advice” about their interests. Skolnick, 
    2021 WL 5936986
    , at
    *16. And even if this factor were afforded more weight, it
    would have done little to alter the balance of all the other
    factors.
    *      *       *
    In sum, the Tax Court did not clearly err in finding that
    Taxpayers’ horse activity during 2010–2013 was “not engaged
    in for profit” under § 183.
    IV
    Taxpayers also sought to carry forward net operating
    losses generated by the Company in the years prior to 2010 to
    shelter future investment income, including the deficiencies at
    issue. See 
    26 U.S.C. § 172
    (b)(1)(A). Contrary to Taxpayers’
    unsupported claim that the NOL determination is a legal
    question, we consider it a matter of fact and agree with our
    sister courts that we review the sufficiency of evidence
    submitted for tax deductions for clear error. See, e.g., Buelow
    v. Comm’r, 
    970 F.2d 412
    , 415 (7th Cir. 1992) (“The tax court’s
    determination that a taxpayer has failed to come forward with
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    sufficient evidence to support a deduction is a factual
    finding”); Thompson v. Comm’r, 
    631 F.2d 642
    , 646 (9th Cir.
    1980), cert. denied, 
    452 U.S. 961
     (1981).
    The first two pieces of evidence submitted—the income
    tax returns—are insufficient because Taxpayers cannot rely
    solely on their own returns to establish losses. Roberts v.
    Comm’r, 
    62 T.C. 834
    , 837 (1974).
    Taxpayers insist that their third piece of evidence—the
    IRS’s No Change letter submitted in 2010 after the audit of
    their 2008 tax returns—makes this case unique. We disagree.
    The audit and letter did not address whether Taxpayers
    operated the Company intending to make a profit. The letter
    simply says the Internal Revenue Agent proposed no changes
    to their 2008 tax return. App. 5633. Again, tax returns cannot
    establish losses on their own. And the claimed NOLs were
    from more years than just the audit year (2008), and each tax
    year stands on its own. United States v. Skelly Oil Co., 
    394 U.S. 678
    , 684 (1969).
    Taxpayers also failed to submit ledgers from the years
    prior to 2010 in which the asserted NOLs occurred. The last
    piece of evidence Taxpayers submitted were the general
    ledgers from the years 2010–2013. Recognizing their error in
    not submitting more evidence, Taxpayers moved to add
    evidence five months after the record was closed. The Tax
    Court denied that motion as untimely and Taxpayers have not
    challenged that order.
    For the reasons stated, the Tax Court did not clearly err
    in denying the NOL carryforward deductions.
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    V
    Mitchel and Leslie claim that any finding in their favor
    on the prior two issues will eliminate their late-filing penalty
    for 2010 under 
    26 U.S.C. § 6651
    (a)(1). They forfeited this
    argument by only raising it in a footnote. See United States v.
    Centeno, 
    793 F.3d 378
    , 388 n.9 (3d Cir. 2015). They also cited
    no law to support their legal claim. So Mitchel and Leslie
    remain liable for the penalty.
    *      *      *
    The Tax Court adeptly conducted the five-day trial and
    issued a comprehensive opinion. At most, Taxpayers have
    shown that the Tax Court could have weighed the evidence
    differently. Because more is necessary to show clear error, we
    will affirm the decision.
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