United States v. Anthony Elonis , 730 F.3d 321 ( 2013 )


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    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE THIRD CIRCUIT
    ___________
    No. 12-3798
    ___________
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    v.
    ANTHONY DOUGLAS ELONIS,
    Appellant
    _______________________
    On Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania
    D.C. Criminal No. 5-11-cr-00013-001
    (Honorable Lawrence F. Stengel)
    ______________
    Argued: June 14, 2013
    Before: SCIRICA, HARDIMAN, and ALDISERT, Circuit
    Judges
    (Filed: September 19, 2013 )
    Ronald H. Levine, Esq. [ARGUED]
    Abraham J. Rein, Esq.
    Post & Schell
    1600 John F. Kennedy Boulevard
    Four Penn Center, 14th Floor
    Philadelphia, PA 19103
    Counsel for Appellant
    Sherri A. Stephan, Esq.
    Office of United States Attorney
    504 West Hamilton Street
    Suite 3701
    Allentown, PA 18101
    Robert A. Zauzmer, Esq. [ARGUED]
    Office of United States Attorney
    615 Chestnut Street
    Suite 1250
    Philadelphia, PA 19106
    Counsel for Appellee
    _________________
    OPINION OF THE COURT
    _________________
    SCIRICA, Circuit Judge
    This case presents the question whether the true threats
    exception to speech protection under the First Amendment
    requires a jury to find the defendant subjectively intended his
    statements to be understood as threats. Anthony Elonis
    challenges his jury conviction under 18 U.S.C. § 875(c),
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    arguing he did not subjectively intend his Facebook posts to
    be threatening. In United States v. Kosma, 
    951 F.2d 549
    , 557
    (3d Cir. 1991) we held a statement is a true threat when a
    reasonable speaker would foresee the statement would be
    interpreted as a threat. We consider whether the Supreme
    Court decision in Virginia v. Black, 
    538 U.S. 343
    , 359 (2003),
    overturns this standard by requiring a subjective intent to
    threaten.
    I.
    In May 2010, Elonis’s wife of seven years moved out
    of their home with their two young children. Following this
    separation, Elonis began experiencing trouble at work. Elonis
    worked at Dorney Park & Wildwater Kingdom amusement
    park as an operations supervisor and a communications
    technician. After his wife left, supervisors observed Elonis
    with his head down on his desk crying, and he was sent home
    on several occasions because he was too upset to work.
    One of the employees Elonis supervised, Amber
    Morrissey, made five sexual harassment reports against him.
    According to Morrissey, Elonis came into the office where
    she was working alone late at night, and began to undress in
    front of her. She left the building after he removed his shirt.
    Morrissey also reported another incident where Elonis made a
    minor female employee uncomfortable when he placed
    himself close to her and told her to stick out her tongue. On
    October 17, 2010 Elonis posted on his Facebook page a
    photograph taken for the Dorney Park Halloween Haunt. The
    photograph showed Elonis in costume holding a knife to
    Morrissey’s neck. Elonis added the caption “I wish” under
    the photograph. Elonis’s supervisor saw the Facebook
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    posting and fired Elonis that same day.
    Two days after he was fired, Elonis began posting
    violent statements on his Facebook page. One post regarding
    Dorney Park stated:
    Moles. Didn’t I tell ya’ll I had several? Ya’ll
    saying I had access to keys for the fucking
    gates, that I have sinister plans for all my
    friends and must have taken home a couple.
    Ya’ll think it’s too dark and foggy to secure
    your facility from a man as mad as me. You
    see, even without a paycheck I’m still the main
    attraction. Whoever thought the Halloween
    haunt could
    be so fucking scary?
    Elonis also began posting statements about his
    estranged wife, Tara Elonis, including the following: “If I
    only knew then what I know now, I would have smothered
    your ass with a pillow, dumped your body in the back seat,
    dropped you off in Toad Creek, and made it look like a rape
    and murder.” Several of the posts about Tara Elonis were in
    response to her sister’s status updates on Facebook. For
    example, Tara Elonis’s sister posted her status update as:
    “Halloween costume shopping with my niece and nephew
    should be interesting.” Elonis commented on this status
    update, writing, “Tell [their son] he should dress up as
    matricide for Halloween. I don’t know what his costume
    would entail though. Maybe [Tara Elonis’s] head on a stick?”
    Elonis also posted in October 2010:
    There’s one way to love you but a thousand
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    ways to kill you. I’m not going to rest until
    your body is a mess, soaked in blood and dying
    from all the little cuts. Hurry up and die, bitch,
    so I can bust this nut all over your corpse from
    atop your shallow grave. I used to be a nice guy
    but then you became a slut. Guess it’s not your
    fault you liked your daddy raped you.
    So hurry up and die, bitch, so I can forgive you.
    Based on these statements a state court issued Tara
    Elonis a Protection From Abuse order against Elonis on
    November 4, 2010. Following the issuance of the state court
    Protection From Abuse order, Elonis posted several
    statements on Facebook expressing intent to harm his wife.
    On November 7 he wrote: 1
    Did you know that it’s illegal for me to say I
    want to kill my wife?
    It’s illegal.
    It’s indirect criminal contempt.
    It’s one of the only sentences that I’m not
    allowed to say.
    Now it was okay for me to say it right then
    because I was just telling you that it’s illegal for
    me to say I want to kill my wife.
    I’m not actually saying it.
    I’m just letting you know that it’s illegal for me
    to say that.
    It’s kind of like a public service.
    I’m letting you know so that you don’t
    accidently go out and say something like that
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    This statement was the basis of Count 2 of the indictment.
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    Um, what’s interesting is that it’s very illegal to
    say I really, really think someone out there
    should kill my wife.
    That’s illegal.
    Very, very illegal.
    But not illegal to say with a mortar launcher.
    Because that’s its own sentence.
    It’s an incomplete sentence but it may have
    nothing to do with the sentence before that.
    So that’s perfectly fine.
    Perfectly legal.
    I also found out that it’s incredibly illegal,
    extremely illegal, to go on Facebook and say
    something like the best place to fire a mortar
    launcher at her house would be from the
    cornfield behind it because of easy access to a
    getaway road and you’d have a clear line of
    sight through the sun room.
    Insanely illegal.
    Ridiculously, wrecklessly, insanely illegal.
    Yet even more illegal to show an illustrated
    diagram.
    ===[ __ ] =====house
    : : : : : : : ^ : : : : : : : : : : : :cornfield
    ::::::::::::::::::::
    ::::::::::::::::::::
    ::::::::::::::::::::
    ######################getaway road
    Insanely illegal.
    Ridiculously, horribly felonious.
    Cause they will come to my house in the middle
    of the night and they will lock me up.
    Extremely against the law.
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    Uh, one thing that is technically legal to say is
    that we have a group that meets Fridays at my
    parent’s house and the password is sic simper
    tyrannis.
    Tara Elonis testified at trial that she took these statements
    seriously, saying, “I felt like I was being stalked. I felt
    extremely afraid for mine and my children’s and my families’
    lives.” Trial Tr. 97, Oct. 19, 2011. Ms. Elonis further
    testified that Elonis rarely listened to rap music, and that she
    had never seen Elonis write rap lyrics during their seven years
    of marriage. She explained that the lyric form of the
    statements did not make her take the threats any less
    seriously.
    On November 15 Elonis posted on his Facebook page:
    Fold up your PFA and put it in your pocket
    Is it thick enough to stop a bullet?
    Try to enforce an Order
    That was improperly granted in the first place
    Me thinks the judge needs an education on true
    threat jurisprudence
    And prison time will add zeroes to my
    settlement
    Which you won’t see a lick
    Because you suck dog dick in front of children
    ****
    And if worse comes to worse
    I’ve got enough explosives
    to take care of the state police and the sheriff's
    department
    [link: Freedom of Speech, www.wikipedia.org]
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    This statement was the basis both of Count 2, threats to
    Elonis’s wife, and Count 3, threats to local law enforcement.
    A post the following day on November 16 involving an
    elementary school was the basis of Count 4:
    That’s it, I’ve had about enough
    I’m checking out and making a name for myself
    Enough elementary schools in a ten mile radius
    to initiate the most heinous school shooting ever
    imagined
    And hell hath no fury like a crazy man in a
    kindergarten class
    The only question is . . . which one?
    By this point FBI Agent Denise Stevens was
    monitoring Elonis’s public Facebook postings, because
    Dorney Park contacted the FBI claiming Elonis had posted
    threats against Dorney Park and its employees on his
    Facebook page. After reading these and other Facebook posts
    by Elonis, Agent Stevens and another FBI agent went to
    Elonis’s house to interview him. When the agents knocked
    on his door, Elonis’s father answered and told the agents
    Elonis was sleeping. The agents waited several minutes until
    Elonis came to the door wearing a t-shirt, jeans, and no shoes.
    Elonis asked the agents if they were law enforcement and
    asked if he was free to go. After the agents identified
    themselves and told him he was free to go, Elonis went inside
    and closed the door. Later that day, Elonis posted the
    following on Facebook:
    You know your shit’s ridiculous
    when you have the FBI knockin’ at yo’ door
    Little Agent Lady stood so close
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    Took all the strength I had not to turn the bitch
    ghost
    Pull my knife, flick my wrist, and slit her throat
    Leave her bleedin’ from her jugular in the arms
    of her partner
    [laughter]
    So the next time you knock, you best be serving
    a warrant
    And bring yo’ SWAT and an explosives expert
    while you’re at it
    Cause little did y’all know, I was strapped wit’
    a bomb
    Why do you think it took me so long to get
    dressed with no shoes on?
    I was jus’ waitin’ for y’all to handcuff me and
    pat me down
    Touch the detonator in my pocket and we’re all
    goin’
    [BOOM!]
    These statements were the basis of Count 5 of the indictment.
    After she observed this post on Elonis’s Facebook page,
    Agent Stevens contacted the U.S. Attorney’s Office.
    II.
    Elonis was arrested on December 8, 2010 and charged
    with transmitting in interstate commerce communications
    containing a threat to injure the person of another in violation
    of 18 U.S.C. § 875(c). The grand jury indicted Elonis on five
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    counts of making threatening communications: Count 1
    threats to patrons and employees of Dorney Park &
    Wildwater Kingdom, Count 2 threats to his wife, Count 3
    threats to employees of the Pennsylvania State Police and
    Berks County Sheriff’s Department, Count 4 threats to a
    kindergarten class, and Count 5 threats to an FBI agent.
    Elonis moved to dismiss the indictments against him,
    contending the Supreme Court held in Virginia v. Black, 
    538 U.S. 343
    , 347-48 (2003) that a subjective intent to threaten
    was required under the true threat exception to the First
    Amendment and that his statements were not threats but were
    protected speech. The District Court denied the motion to
    dismiss because even if the subjective intent standard applied,
    Elonis’s intent and the attendant circumstances showing
    whether or not the statements were true threats were questions
    of fact for the jury. United States v. Elonis, No. 11-13, 
    2011 WL 5024284
    , at *3 (E.D. Pa. Oct. 20, 2011).
    Elonis testified in his own defense at trial. A jury
    convicted Elonis on Counts 2 through 5, and the court
    sentenced him to 44 months’ imprisonment followed by three
    years supervised release. Elonis filed a post-trial Motion to
    Dismiss Indictment with Prejudice under Rule 12(b)(3); and
    for New Trial under Rule 33(a), to Arrest Judgment under
    Rule 34(b) and/or Dismissal under Rule 29(c). The District
    Court denied the motion to dismiss the indictment, finding the
    indictment correctly tracked the language of the statute and
    stated the nature of the threat, the date of the threat and the
    victim of the threat. The court also stated the objective intent
    standard conformed with Third Circuit precedent. The court
    found the evidence supported the jury’s finding that the
    statements in Count 3 and Count 5 were true threats. Finally,
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    the court held that the jury instruction presuming
    communications over the internet were transmitted through
    interstate commerce was supported by our precedent in
    United States v. MacEwan, 
    445 F.3d 237
    , 244 (3d Cir. 2006).
    III. 2
    A.
    Elonis was convicted under 18 U.S.C. § 875(c) for
    “transmit[ting] in interstate or foreign commerce any
    communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or
    any threat to injure the person of another . . . .” Elonis
    contends the trial court incorrectly instructed the jury on the
    standard of a true threat. The court gave the following jury
    instruction:
    A statement is a true threat when a defendant
    intentionally makes a statement in a context or
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    The District Court had jurisdiction over this case under 18
    U.S.C. § 3231. We exercise appellate jurisdiction under 28
    U.S.C. § 1291. We review statutory interpretations and
    conclusions of law de novo. Kosma, 951 F.2d at 553. We
    exercise plenary review over the sufficiency of indictments.
    United States v. Kemp, 
    500 F.3d 257
    , 280 (3d Cir. 2007).
    “We apply a particularly deferential standard of review when
    deciding whether a jury verdict rests on legally sufficient
    evidence.” United States v. Dent, 
    149 F.3d 180
    , 187 (3d Cir.
    1998). Because Elonis failed to object to the jury instructions
    at trial, we review whether the jury instructions stated the
    correct legal standard for plain error. United States v. Lee,
    
    612 F.3d 170
    , 191 (3d Cir. 2010).
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    under such circumstances wherein a reasonable
    person would foresee that the statement would
    be interpreted by those to whom the maker
    communicates the statement as a serious
    expression of an
    intention to inflict bodily injury or take the life
    of an individual.
    Trial Tr. 127, Oct. 20, 2011. Elonis posits that the Supreme
    Court decision in Virginia v. Black requires that a defendant
    subjectively intend to threaten, and overturns the reasonable
    speaker standard we articulated in United States v. Kosma,
    
    951 F.3d 549
    , 557 (3d Cir. 1991).
    In United States v. Kosma, we held a true threat
    requires that
    the defendant intentionally make a statement,
    written or oral, in a context or under such
    circumstances wherein a reasonable person
    would foresee that the statement would be
    interpreted by those to whom the maker
    communicates the statement as a serious
    expression of an intention to inflict bodily harm
    upon or to take the life of the President, and that
    the statement not be the result of mistake,
    duress, or coercion.
    Id. at 557 (quoting Roy v. United States, 
    416 F.2d 874
    , 877-
    78 (9th Cir. 1969) (emphasis omitted)). We rejected a
    subjective intent requirement that the defendant “intended at
    least to convey the impression that the threat was a serious
    one.” Id. at 558 (quoting Rogers v. United States, 
    422 U.S. 12
    35, 46 (1975) (Marshall, J., concurring)). We found “any
    subjective test potentially frustrates the purposes of section
    871—to prevent not only actual threats on the President’s life,
    but also the harmful consequences which flow from such
    threats.” Id. (explaining “it would make prosecution of these
    threats significantly more difficult”). We have held the same
    “knowingly and willfully” mens rea Kosma analyzed under
    18 U.S.C. § 871, threats against the president, applies to
    § 875(c). United States v. Himelwright, 
    42 F.3d 777
    , 782 (3d
    Cir. 1994) (holding “the government bore only the burden of
    proving that Himelwright acted knowingly and willfully when
    he placed the threatening telephone calls and that those calls
    were reasonably perceived as threatening bodily injury”).
    Since our precedent is clear, the question is whether the
    Supreme Court decision in Virginia v. Black overturned this
    standard.
    The Supreme Court first articulated the true threats
    exception to speech protected under the First Amendment in
    Watts v. United States, 
    394 U.S. 705
     (1969). During a rally
    opposing the Vietnam war, Watts told the crowd, “I am not
    going. If they ever make me carry a rifle the first man I want
    to get in my sights is L.B.J.” Id. at 706 (internal quotation
    marks omitted). The Court reversed his conviction for
    making a threat against the president because the statement
    was “political hyperbole,” rather than a true threat. Id. at 708.
    The Court articulated three factors supporting its finding: 1.
    the context was a political speech; 2. the statement was
    “expressly conditional”; and 3. “the reaction of the listeners”
    who “laughed after the statement was made.” Id. at 707-08.
    The Court did not address the true threats exception again
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    until Virginia v. Black in 2003. 3
    In Virginia v. Black the Court considered a Virginia
    statute that banned burning a cross with the “intent of
    intimidating” and provided “[a]ny such burning of a cross
    shall be prima facie evidence of an intent to intimidate a
    person or group of persons.” 538 U.S. at 348 (citation and
    internal quotation marks omitted). The Court reviewed three
    separate convictions of defendants under the statute and
    concluded that intimidating cross burning could be proscribed
    as a true threat under the First Amendment. Id. at 363. But
    the prima facie evidence provision violated due process,
    because it permitted a jury to convict whenever a defendant
    exercised his or her right to not put on a defense. Id. at 364-
    65.
    The Court reviewed the historic and contextual
    meanings behind cross burning, and found it conveyed a
    political message, a cultural message, and a threatening
    message, depending on the circumstances. Id. at 354-57. The
    Court then described the true threat exception generally
    before analyzing the Virginia statute:
    “True threats” encompass those statements
    where the speaker means to communicate a
    serious expression of an intent to commit an act
    of unlawful violence to a particular individual
    or group of individuals. See Watts v. United
    States, supra, at 708 . . . (“political hyperbole”
    3
    The Court did discuss the constitutional limits on banning
    “fighting words” in R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul, 
    505 U.S. 377
    ,
    388 (1992).
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    is not a true threat); R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul,
    505 U.S., at 388. . . . The speaker need not
    actually intend to carry out the threat. Rather, a
    prohibition on true threats “protect[s]
    individuals from the fear of violence” and
    “from the disruption that fear engenders,” in
    addition to protecting people “from the
    possibility that the threatened violence will
    occur.” Ibid. Intimidation in the
    constitutionally proscribable sense of the word
    is a type of true threat, where a speaker directs a
    threat to a person or group of persons with the
    intent of placing the victim in fear of bodily
    harm or death. Respondents do not contest that
    some cross burnings fit within this meaning of
    intimidating speech, and rightly so. As noted in
    Part II, supra, the history of cross burning in
    this country shows that cross burning is often
    intimidating, intended to create a pervasive fear
    in victims that they are a
    target of violence.
    Id. at 359-60 (citation omitted). Elonis contends that this
    definition of true threats means that the speaker must both
    intend to communicate and intend for the language to threaten
    the victim. 4 But the Court did not have occasion to make
    4
    Elonis also points to the passage “[i]ntimidation in the
    constitutionally proscribable sense of the word is a type of
    true threat, where a speaker directs a threat to a person or
    group of persons with the intent of placing the victim in fear
    of bodily harm or death.” Black, 538 U.S. at 360. But this
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    such a sweeping holding, because the challenged Virginia
    statute already required a subjective intent to intimidate. We
    do not infer from the use of the term “intent” that the Court
    invalidated the objective intent standard the majority of
    circuits applied to true threats. 5 Instead, we read “statements
    where the speaker means to communicate a serious
    expression of an intent to commit an act of unlawful
    violence” to mean that the speaker must intend to make the
    communication. It would require adding language the Court
    did not write to read the passage as “statements where the
    speaker means to communicate [and intends the statement to
    be understood as] a serious expression of an intent to commit
    an act of unlawful violence.” Id. at 359. This is not what the
    Court wrote, and it is inconsistent with the logic animating
    the true threats exception.
    The “prohibition on true threats ‘protect[s] individuals
    from the fear of violence’ and ‘from the disruption that fear
    engenders,’ in addition to protecting people ‘from the
    possibility that the threatened violence will occur.’” Id. at
    sentence explains when intimidation can be a true threat, and
    does not define when threatening language is a true threat.
    5
    See, e.g., United States v. Whiffen, 
    121 F.3d 18
    , 20-21 (1st
    Cir. 1997); United States v. Francis, 
    164 F.3d 120
    , 122 (2d
    Cir. 1999); United States v. Darby, 
    37 F.3d 1059
    , 1066 (4th
    Cir. 1994); United States v. Myers, 
    104 F.3d 76
    , 80-81 (5th
    Cir. 1997); United States v. DeAndino, 
    958 F.2d 146
    , 148 (6th
    Cir. 1992); United States v. Schneider, 
    910 F.2d 1569
    , 1570
    (7th Cir. 1990); United States v. Manning, 
    923 F.2d 83
    , 86
    (8th Cir. 1991); United States v. Hart, 
    457 F.2d 1087
    , 1091
    (10th Cir. 1972); United States v. Callahan, 
    702 F.2d 964
    ,
    965 (11th Cir. 1983); Metz v. Dep’t of Treasury, 
    780 F.2d 1001
    , 1002 (Fed. Cir. 1986).
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    360 (quoting R.A.V., 505 U.S. at 388). Limiting the definition
    of true threats to only those statements where the speaker
    subjectively intended to threaten would fail to protect
    individuals from “the fear of violence” and the “disruption
    that fear engenders,” because it would protect speech that a
    reasonable speaker would understand to be threatening. Id.
    Elonis further contends the unconstitutionality of the
    prima facie evidence provision in Black indicates a subjective
    intent to threaten is required. The Court found the fact that
    the defendant burned a cross could not be prima facie
    evidence of intent to intimidate. Id. at 364-65. The Court
    explained that while cross burning was often employed as
    intimidation or a threat of physical violence against others, it
    could also function as a symbol of solidarity for those within
    the white supremacist movement. Id. at 365-66. Less
    frequently, crosses had been burned outside of the white
    supremacist context, such as stage performances. Id. at 366.
    Since the burning of a cross could have a constitutionally-
    protected political message as well as a threatening message,
    the prima facie evidence provision failed to distinguish
    protected speech from unprotected threats. Furthermore, the
    prima facie evidence provision denied defendants the right to
    not put on a defense, since the prosecution did not have to
    produce any evidence of intent to intimidate, which was an
    element of the crime. Id. at 364-65.
    We do not find that the unconstitutionality of
    Virginia’s prima facie evidence provision means the true
    threats exception requires a subjective intent to threaten.
    First, the prima facie evidence provision did not allow the
    factfinder to consider the context to construe the meaning of
    the conduct, id. at 365-66, whereas the reasonable person
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    standard does encompass context to determine whether the
    statement was a serious expression of intent to inflict bodily
    harm. Second, cross-burning is conduct that may or may not
    convey a meaning, as opposed to the language in this case
    which has inherent meaning in addition to the meaning
    derived from context. Finally, the prima facie evidence
    provision violated the defendant’s due process rights to not
    put on a defense, because the defendant could be convicted
    even when the prosecution had not proven all the elements of
    the crime. Id. That is not an issue here because the
    government had to prove that a reasonable person would
    foresee Elonis’s statements would be understood as threats.
    The majority of circuits that have considered this
    question have not found the Supreme Court decision in Black
    to require a subjective intent to threaten. See United States v.
    White, 
    670 F.3d 498
    , 508 (4th Cir. 2012) (“A careful reading
    of the requirements of § 875(c), together with the definition
    from Black, does not, in our opinion, lead to the conclusion
    that    Black     introduced     a    specific-intent-to-threaten
    requirement into § 875(c) . . . .”); United States v. Jeffries,
    
    692 F.3d 473
    , 479 (6th Cir. 2012) (“[T]he position reads too
    much into Black.”); United States v. Mabie, 
    663 F.3d 322
    ,
    332-33 (8th Cir. 2011), cert. denied, 
    133 S. Ct. 107
     (2012)
    (noting the objective test had been applied many times after
    Black) 6; United States v. Nicklas, 
    713 F.3d 435
    , 440 (8th Cir.
    6
    The Eighth Circuit cited the following cases applying an
    objective standard after the Supreme Court’s decision in
    Black:
    United States v. Beale, 
    620 F.3d 856
    , 865 (8th
    Cir. 2010) . . . ; United States v. Armel, 585
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    2013) (quoting extensively from Jeffries, the court
    “concluded § 875(c) does not require the government to prove
    a defendant specifically intended his or her statements to be
    threatening”).
    The Fourth Circuit in United States v. White
    considered the same criminal statute, 18 U.S.C. § 875(c), and
    found the Court in Black “gave no indication it was
    redefining a general intent crime such as § 875(c) to be a
    specific intent crime.” 670 F.3d at 509. The Fourth Circuit
    reasoned that Black had analyzed a statute that included a
    specific intent element, whereas § 875(c) had consistently
    been applied as a general intent statute. Id. at 508. The court
    further distinguished Black by noting the multiple meanings
    of cross-burning necessitated a finding of intent to distinguish
    protected speech from true threats. Id. at 511. The court in
    White found this same problem did not exist for threatening
    language because it has no First Amendment value. Id.
    Finally, the court found the general intent standard for §
    875(c) offenses did not chill “statements of jest or political
    F.3d 182, 185 (4th Cir. 2009) (applying an
    objective test in a true threat analysis); Porter v.
    Ascension Parish Sch. Bd., 
    393 F.3d 608
    , 616–
    17 (5th Cir. 2004) (“[T]o lose the protection of
    the First Amendment and be lawfully punished,
    the threat must be intentionally or knowingly
    communicated to either the object of the threat
    or a third person.”); United States v. Zavrel, 
    384 F.3d 130
    , 136 (3d Cir. 2004) (applying an
    objective test in a true threat analysis).
    Mabie, 663 F.3d at 332.
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    hyperbole” because “any such statements will, under the
    objective test, always be protected by the consideration of the
    context and of how a reasonable recipient would understand
    the statement.” Id. at 509. 7
    In United States v. Jeffries the Sixth Circuit agreed that
    Black does not require a subjective intent to threaten to
    convict under 18 U.S.C. § 875(c). 692 F.3d at 479. Because
    Black interpreted a statute that already had a subjective intent
    requirement, the Sixth Circuit found the Court was not
    presented with the question whether an objective intent
    standard is constitutional. Id. Jeffries also found that the
    Court’s ruling on the prima facie evidence provision did not
    address the specific intent question because “the statute
    lacked any standard at all.” Id. at 479-80. Like the Fourth
    Circuit in White, the Sixth Circuit explained that the prima
    facie evidence provision failed to distinguish between
    protected speech and threats by not allowing for consideration
    of any contextual factors. Id. at 480. In contrast, “[t]he
    reasonable-person standard winnows out protected speech
    because, instead of ignoring context, it forces jurors to
    examine the circumstances in which a statement is made.” Id.
    The Ninth Circuit took a different view, and found the
    true threats definition in Black requires the speaker both
    intend to communicate and “intend for his language to
    threaten the victim.” United States v. Cassel, 
    408 F.3d 622
    ,
    631 (9th Cir. 2005). The Ninth Circuit reasoned that the
    unconstitutionality of the prima facie provision meant that the
    Court required a finding of intent to threaten for all speech
    7
    The Fourth Circuit test focuses on the reasonable recipient,
    but our test asks whether a reasonable speaker would foresee
    the statement would be understood as a threat.
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    labeled as “true threats,” and not just cross burning. Id. at
    631-32 (“[T]he prima facie evidence provision rendered the
    statute facially unconstitutional because it effectively
    eliminated the intent requirement.”).      “We are therefore
    bound to conclude that speech may be deemed unprotected by
    the First Amendment as a ‘true threat’ only upon proof that
    the speaker subjectively intended the speech as a threat.” Id.
    at 633. 8
    Regardless of the state of the law in the Ninth Circuit,
    we find that Black does not alter our precedent. We agree
    with the Fourth Circuit that Black does not clearly overturn
    the objective test the majority of circuits applied to § 875(c).
    Black does not say that the true threats exception requires a
    subjective intent to threaten. Furthermore, our standard does
    require a finding of intent to communicate. The jury had to
    find Elonis “knowingly and willfully” transmitted a
    “communication containing . . . [a] threat to injure the person
    of another.” 18 U.S.C. § 875(c). A threat is made
    “knowingly” as when it is “made intentionally and not [as]
    the result of mistake, coercion or duress.” Kosma, 951 F.2d
    at 557 (quotation omitted). A threat is made willfully when
    “a reasonable person would foresee that the statement would
    be interpreted by those to whom the maker communicates the
    statement as a serious expression of an intention to inflict
    bodily harm.” Id. (citation and emphasis omitted). This
    objective intent standard protects non-threatening speech
    8
    Similarly, in United States v. Bagdasarian the Ninth Circuit
    wrote in dicta that, in light of Black, “[a] statement that the
    speaker does not intend as a threat is afforded constitutional
    protection and cannot be held criminal.” 
    652 F.3d 1113
    , 1122
    (9th Cir. 2011).
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    while addressing the harm caused by true threats.
    Accordingly, the Kosma objective intent standard applies to
    this case and the District Court did not err in instructing the
    jury.
    B.
    Elonis contends the indictment was insufficient
    because it did not quote the language of the allegedly
    threatening statements. An indictment “must be a plain,
    concise, and definite written statement of the essential facts
    constituting the offense charged.” Fed. R. Crim. P. 7(c)(1).
    An indictment is sufficient when it “(1) contains the elements
    of the offense intended to be charged, (2) sufficiently apprises
    the defendant of what he must be prepared to meet, and (3)
    allows the defendant to show with accuracy to what extent he
    may plead a former acquittal or conviction in the event of a
    subsequent prosecution.” United States v. Vitillo, 
    490 F.3d 314
    , 321 (3d Cir. 2007) (internal quotations omitted). We
    have found an indictment is sufficient “where it informs the
    defendant of the statute he is charged with violating, lists the
    elements of a violation under the statute, and specifies the
    time period during which the violations occurred.” United
    States v. Huet, 
    665 F.3d 588
    , 595 (3d Cir. 2012), cert. denied,
    
    133 S. Ct. 422
     (2012).
    In Huet we found an indictment for aiding and abetting
    a felon in possession of a firearm was sufficient because it
    alleged the previous felony conviction of the principal, the
    time period of the violation and the specific weapon involved,
    and alleged the defendant “knowingly aided and abetted
    Hall’s possession of that firearm.” Id. at 596. “No more was
    required to allow Huet to prepare her defense and invoke
    double jeopardy.” Id.
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    The Eighth Circuit considered an indictment that did
    not include the verbatim contents of a letter, the date it was
    written, or the name of the author. Keys v. United States, 
    126 F.2d 181
    , 184-85 (8th Cir. 1942). The indictment for
    communicating a threat to injure with the intent to extort
    merely stated the letter threatened to harm the reputation of
    the victim with intent to extort. Id. at 182-83. Since the
    indictment summarized the contents of the letter, provided the
    date it was mailed and the name of the addressee, the Eighth
    Circuit found there could be no confusion as to the elements
    and subject of the crime. Id. at 185 (“The fact that the
    defendant upon reading the indictment recognized the letter
    referred to and made no objection to the description at the
    time indicates the want of merit in his present criticism.”).
    To find a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 875(c) a defendant
    must transmit in interstate or foreign commerce a
    communication containing a threat to injure or kidnap a
    person. 18 U.S.C. § 875(c). Here the indictment on Count 2
    stated:
    On or about November 6, 2010, through on or
    about November 15, 2010, in Bethlehem, in the
    Eastern District of Pennsylvania, and elsewhere,
    defendant ANTHONY DOUGLAS ELONIS
    knowingly and willfully transmitted in interstate
    and foreign commerce, via a computer and the
    Internet, a communication to others, that is, a
    communication containing a threat to injure the
    person of another, specifically, a threat to injure
    and kill T.E., a person known to the grand jury.
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    In violation of Title 18, United States Code,
    Section 875(c).
    The indictment on the other counts was identical, but stated
    each date of the threat, the nature of the threat, and the
    subjects of the threat. Count 3 alleged “a threat to injure
    employees of the Pennsylvania State Police and the Berks
    County Sheriff’s Department”; Count 4 alleged “a threat to
    injure a kindergarten class of elementary school children”;
    and Count 5 alleged “a threat to injure an agent of the Federal
    Bureau of Investigation.” Elonis contends the indictment was
    deficient because they did not include the allegedly
    threatening statements.
    The indictment was sufficient because the counts
    describe the elements of the violation, the nature of the threat,
    the subject of the threat, and the time period of the alleged
    violation. For example, Count Four alleged defendant
    communicated over the internet on November 16, 2010 “a
    threat to injure a kindergarten class.” If Elonis had already
    been charged with this statement, the indictment provided
    enough information to challenge a subsequent prosecution.
    Based on the indictment, defendant was notified he needed to
    dispute that the statement was a threat, that he communicated
    the statement, and that he transmitted the statement through
    interstate commerce. Moreover, like the defendant in Keys,
    Elonis was able to identify which internet communications
    the indictment described, since he did not raise the issue until
    after trial. 9
    9
    Elonis did challenge the sufficiency of the indictment prior
    to trial, but only on constitutional grounds. The indictment
    did not include a subjective intent to threaten.
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    C.
    Elonis contends there was insufficient evidence to
    convict on Counts 3 and 5 of the indictment because the
    statements on which they were based were not threats. “A
    claim of insufficiency of evidence places a very heavy burden
    on the appellant.” United States v. Coyle, 
    63 F.3d 1239
    , 1243
    (3d Cir. 1995). “[T]he relevant question is whether, after
    viewing the evidence in the light most favorable to the
    prosecution, any rational trier of fact could have found the
    essential elements of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt.”
    Jackson v. Virginia, 
    443 U.S. 307
    , 319 (1979) (emphasis
    omitted).
    1.
    Elonis contends Count 3 was based on a conditional
    statement, which he asserts cannot be a true threat. In Watts
    the Supreme Court found the conditional nature of
    defendant’s statement to be one of the three factors
    demonstrating it was not a true threat. Watts, 394 U.S. at 708
    (“Taken in context, and regarding the expressly conditional
    nature of the statement and the reaction of the listeners, we do
    not see how it could be interpreted otherwise.”). Elonis
    posted the following on his Facebook page:
    Fold up your PFA and put it in your pocket
    Is it thick enough to stop a bullet?
    Try to enforce an Order
    That was improperly granted in the first place
    Me thinks the judge needs an education on true
    threat jurisprudence
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    And prison time will add zeroes to my
    settlement
    Which you won’t see a lick
    Because you suck dog dick in front of children
    ****
    And if worse comes to worse
    I’ve got enough explosives
    to take care of the state police and the sheriff’s
    department
    [link: Freedom of Speech, www.wikipedia.org]
    We considered the impact of conditional statements on
    the true threat analysis in Kosma, 951 F.2d at 554. We found
    that Watts did not hold conditional statements can never be
    true threats. Id. at 554 n.8 (“Even if Kosma’s threats were
    truly conditional, they could still be considered true threats.”).
    We explained the conditional statements in Watts “were
    dependent on the defendant’s induction into the armed
    forces—a condition which the defendant stated would never
    happen.” Id. at 554. Because the defendant’s threats in
    Kosma stated a precise time and place for carrying out the
    alleged threats, they were true threats. Id.
    Here the District Court found that a reasonable jury
    could find the statement to be a true threat. United States v.
    Elonis, 
    897 F. Supp. 2d 335
    , 346 (E.D. Pa. 2012). Unlike in
    Watts, Elonis did not vow the condition precedent would
    never occur. However, this case is also unlike Kosma, where
    the statement included a particular time and place. Elonis’s
    statement only conveys a vague timeline or condition. But,
    taken as a whole, a jury could have found defendant was
    threatening to use explosives on officers who “[t]ry to enforce
    an Order” of protection that was granted to his wife. Since
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    there is no rule that a conditional statement cannot be a true
    threat—the words and context can demonstrate whether the
    statement was a serious expression of intent to harm—and we
    give substantial deference to a jury’s verdict, there was not
    insufficient evidence for the jury to find the statement was a
    threat.
    2.
    Defendant contends that the statement on which Count
    5 is based is a description of past conduct, not a future intent
    to harm:
    You know your shit’s ridiculous
    when you have the FBI knockin’ at yo’ door
    Little Agent Lady stood so close
    Took all the strength I had not to turn the bitch
    ghost
    Pull my knife, flick my wrist, and slit her throat
    Leave her bleedin’ from her jugular in the arms
    of her partner
    [laughter]
    So the next time you knock, you best be serving
    a warrant
    And bring yo’ SWAT and an explosives expert
    while you’re at it
    Cause little did y’all know, I was strapped wit’
    a bomb
    Why do you think it took me so long to get
    dressed with no shoes on?
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    I was jus’ waitin’ for y’all to handcuff me and
    pat me down
    Touch the detonator in my pocket and we’re all
    goin’
    [BOOM!]
    A threat under § 875(c) is a communication
    “expressing an intent to inflict injury in the present or future.”
    United States v. Stock, No. 12-2914, slip op. at 13 (3d Cir.
    Aug. 26, 2013). It was possible for a reasonable jury to
    conclude that the statement “the next time you knock, best be
    serving a warrant [a]nd bring yo’ SWAT and an explosives
    expert” coupled with the past reference to a bomb was a
    threat to use explosives against the agents “the next time.”
    Indeed, the phrase “the next time” refers to the future, not a
    past event. Accordingly, a reasonable jury could have found
    the statement was a true threat.
    D.
    Elonis contends the jury instruction stating
    communications that travel over the internet necessarily travel
    in interstate commerce violated his due process rights because
    the government was required to prove interstate transmission
    as an element of the crime. The District Court instructed the
    jury: “Because of the interstate nature of the Internet, if you
    find beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant used the
    Internet in communicating a threat, then that communication
    traveled in interstate commerce.” Trial Tr. 126, Oct. 11, 2011.
    In United States v. MacEwan we explained the
    difference between interstate transmission and interstate
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    commerce. 
    445 F.3d 237
    , 243-44 (3d Cir. 2006). The
    defendant in MacEwan contended the government failed to
    prove he received child pornography through interstate
    commerce because a Comcast witness testified it was
    impossible to know whether a particular transmission traveled
    through computer servers located entirely within
    Pennsylvania, or to any other server in the United States. Id.
    at 241-42. “[W]e conclude[d] that because of the very
    interstate nature of the Internet, once a user submits a
    connection request to a website server or an image is
    transmitted from the website server back to [the] user, the
    data has traveled in interstate commerce.” Id. at 244.
    “Having concluded that the Internet is an instrumentality and
    channel of interstate commerce . . . . [i]t is sufficient that
    MacEwan downloaded those images from the Internet, a
    system that is inexorably intertwined with interstate
    commerce.” Id. at 245.
    Elonis distinguishes MacEwan by stating that in that
    case the government presented evidence on how the internet
    worked. But the government’s evidence in MacEwan did not
    show that any one of the defendant’s internet transmissions
    traveled outside of Pennsylvania. 10 We found that fact to be
    irrelevant to the question of interstate commerce because
    submitting data on the internet necessarily means the data
    travels in interstate commerce. Id. at 241. Instead, we held
    10
    Notably, the government did present testimony on how
    Facebook works. A computer forensic expert, Michael
    Moore, testified about privacy settings and that when a
    Facebook account is made public the postings can be seen by
    “whoever has access to it through the internet throughout the
    world.” Trial Tr. 15-17, Oct. 17, 2011.
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    “[i]t is sufficient that [the defendant] downloaded those
    images from the Internet.” Id. at 245. Based on our
    conclusion that proving internet transmission alone is
    sufficient to prove transmission through interstate commerce,
    the District Court did not err in instructing the jury.
    IV.
    For the foregoing reasons we will uphold Elonis’s
    convictions under 18 U.S.C. § 875(c).
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