United States v. Kennedy ( 2004 )


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  •                            PUBLISHED
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE FOURTH CIRCUIT
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,              
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    v.                             No. 02-4917
    ROBERT KENNEDY, JR.,
    Defendant-Appellant.
    
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Western District of Virginia, at Roanoke.
    Jackson L. Kiser, Senior District Judge.
    (CR-02-56)
    Argued: January 21, 2004
    Decided: June 24, 2004
    Before WILKINSON, MICHAEL, and SHEDD, Circuit Judges.
    Affirmed by published opinion. Judge Wilkinson wrote the majority
    opinion, in which Judge Shedd joined. Judge Michael wrote a dissent-
    ing opinion.
    COUNSEL
    ARGUED: Randy Virlin Cargill, MAGEE, FOSTER, GOLDSTEIN
    & SAYERS, P.C., Roanoke, Virginia, for Appellant. Joseph William
    Hooge Mott, Assistant United States Attorney, Roanoke, Virginia, for
    Appellee. ON BRIEF: John L. Brownlee, United States Attorney,
    Brian Samuels, Third Year Law Intern, Roanoke, Virginia, for Appel-
    lee.
    2                     UNITED STATES v. KENNEDY
    OPINION
    WILKINSON, Circuit Judge:
    Appellant Robert Kennedy, Jr. was convicted in August 2001 of
    drug trafficking in Virginia, and he was sentenced to 420 months’
    imprisonment. While his conviction was pending appeal, Kennedy
    was brought to testify on two separate occasions before a grand jury
    that was investigating drug and money laundering activities in the
    Danville, Virginia area. He was subsequently indicted for perjury
    based upon his testimony. He filed a pre-trial motion to suppress his
    perjurious statements, claiming that they were obtained in violation of
    his Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights and were the result of prosecu-
    torial misconduct. The district court rejected his claims, and a jury
    convicted Kennedy of four counts of perjury.
    On appeal, Kennedy contends primarily that the district court erred
    in denying his constitutional claims for suppression. We hold that his
    remedy for any Fifth or Sixth Amendment violations does not encom-
    pass exclusion of his false testimony from his perjury trial. Courts
    cannot condone perjury as a self-help remedy against constitutional
    violations. See United States v. Mandujano, 
    425 U.S. 564
    , 576-77,
    582-83 (1976) (plurality opinion). In addition, there was insufficient
    evidence here of prosecutorial misconduct amounting to a deprivation
    of due process. Kennedy’s testimony was therefore admissible at his
    prosecution for perjury, and we accordingly affirm the district court’s
    judgment.
    I.
    A Virginia jury convicted Kennedy of two counts of distributing
    cocaine base, and one count of conspiring to distribute five kilograms
    or more of cocaine and fifty grams or more of cocaine base. Kennedy
    filed a notice of appeal from his conviction on January 23, 2002.1
    1
    A panel of this Court later affirmed Kennedy’s drug conviction and
    sentence on September 23, 2002. See United States v. Robert Kennedy,
    Jr., No. 02-4072 (4th Cir. Sept. 23, 2002).
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    While his appeal was pending, on February 19, 2002, Assistant
    United States Attorney Joseph Mott had Kennedy brought before a
    grand jury sitting in Roanoke, Virginia. The focus of the grand jury
    investigation, according to the United States, was to probe drug traf-
    ficking and money laundering offenses in the Danville, Virginia area.
    The specific purpose of Kennedy’s appearance was to elicit informa-
    tion about other individuals dealing drugs in Danville, and about cer-
    tain land transactions in which Kennedy was involved. According to
    the United States, Kennedy was not a target of the investigation. Mott
    claims that he notified Kennedy’s trial attorney, Christopher Kowal-
    czuk, that Kennedy would appear before a grand jury on February 19.
    Kowalczuk did not show up for the proceeding, however, and Ken-
    nedy disputes whether Mott ever notified Kowalczuk of the grand
    jury appearance.
    Before appearing in front of the grand jury on February 19, Ken-
    nedy was first interviewed in the U.S. Marshal’s Office in the Roa-
    noke federal building. Mott, Detective Thomas Merricks of the
    Danville Police Department, and Sergeant T.L. Nicholson of the Pitt-
    sylvania County Sheriff’s Office were present for the interview. Mott
    began by advising Kennedy that "since he had been convicted of the
    drug charges, . . . he did not have a right not to testify about those
    charges" before the grand jury. However, Mott informed Kennedy
    that he could refuse to discuss other matters for which he had not
    been convicted. Mott also advised Kennedy that he could consult with
    his attorney outside the presence of the grand jury before answering
    any questions, but that his attorney could not enter the grand jury
    room with him. Mott told Kennedy about the grand jury proceeding
    and about the oath, and he made clear that any material false state-
    ments under oath constituted the crime of perjury. Upon completing
    these instructions, Mott left the room.
    After Mott’s departure, Kennedy told the remaining officers that he
    "would never talk about [his connections] before the grand jury and
    that he would just pull his 35 years." The officers did not give Ken-
    nedy any Miranda warnings, but continued to question him about
    who "he dealt with." During the course of further interrogation, Ken-
    nedy identified a number of individuals from whom he had bought
    drugs, to whom he had sold drugs, or with whom he had conducted
    land deals. Throughout the discussion, according to Merricks, Ken-
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    nedy repeated several times that "he didn’t want to talk" before the
    grand jury and that he would just serve his time.
    When Kennedy appeared before the grand jury, Mott addressed
    him once again. Mott stated that "now that you’ve been convicted and
    sentenced, do you understand that you don’t have the right to refuse
    to answer any question about the events that you’ve already been con-
    victed of?" Mott clarified that "because you’ve been tried and con-
    victed . . . in the drug case, on the indictment[,] . . . I’m telling you
    that you’ve lost your Fifth Amendment right not to testify about those
    events charged in the indictment." Mott stated, however, that "if there
    were other offenses, anything you say could be used against you."
    Mott again told Kennedy that although his attorney could not be pres-
    ent in the grand jury room, Kennedy could consult with him outside
    the room before answering any question. Finally, Mott reminded Ken-
    nedy that he was under oath, and he made clear that "any material
    false statement under oath constitutes the crime of perjury." Kennedy
    acknowledged that he understood these rights.
    Mott then questioned Kennedy about his involvement with drugs,
    specifically probing Kennedy’s sales of cocaine powder. Kennedy
    admitted selling cocaine to various people, including Ruth Guy,
    Wayne Huffman, and Bobbi Brandon. When asked about the sources
    of his drugs, Kennedy requested to speak with counsel. Mott passed
    over that subject and inquired instead about Kennedy’s involvement
    with certain land transactions. After extensive questioning on this
    topic, Kennedy again requested to speak with counsel. Mott therefore
    excused Kennedy from the hearing, saying that he would continue
    Kennedy’s appearance until next month and that he would "make
    arrangements for" Kennedy’s attorney to be there.
    One month later, on March 19, 2002, Mott again had Kennedy
    brought before the grand jury in Roanoke. Officers again began by
    questioning Kennedy in the U.S. Marshal’s Office. Mott, Merricks,
    Nicholson, Special Agent Montie Blakey, and Special Agent Rick
    Elgin of the state police were present. Once again, Mott advised Ken-
    nedy that he had no Fifth Amendment privilege as to the events for
    which he had already been convicted, and at no time was Kennedy
    read Miranda warnings. When questioned by the investigators, Ken-
    nedy reiterated his desire not to talk to the grand jury, and he claimed
    UNITED STATES v. KENNEDY                       5
    not to remember anything about his February 19 testimony. Accord-
    ing to the notes prepared by Blakey, Kennedy asserted that "he did
    not know anything and just wanted to do his time. . . . [W]hen asked
    about information he gave at an earlier interview, [Kennedy] advised
    he didn’t remember." Kennedy’s new attorney, Randy Cargill, who
    had become counsel on March 14, 2002, was not present. According
    to Cargill, neither he nor Kennedy’s former counsel, Kowalczuk, was
    ever notified of the March 19 grand jury appearance, and neither was
    present for it.
    Once before the grand jury, Mott informed Kennedy that he had
    lost "the right not to incriminate [him]self as to those matters of
    which [he’d] been convicted," but he clarified that Kennedy could
    refuse to testify about "new crimes or other matters . . . than the
    events charged in [the] indictment." Kennedy acknowledged that he
    had met with his former attorney, Kowalczuk, since his last appear-
    ance on February 19. Mott then reminded Kennedy that he still had
    the right "to consult with an attorney [outside the presence of the
    grand jury] prior to answering any question." Finally, Mott told Ken-
    nedy again that he was under oath, and "the legal significance of that
    is that any material false statement under oath constitutes the crime
    of perjury."
    Mott then began questioning Kennedy. He asked whether Kennedy
    had sold drugs to the individuals whom Kennedy had named in his
    February 19 appearance, but Kennedy stated that he did not remember
    selling to any of them. Indeed, Kennedy claimed that he could not
    remember ever buying or selling drugs in Danville. During this
    exchange, Mott reminded Kennedy about his oath and the conse-
    quences of making false statements, which included a "false claim of
    no memory," and he clarified that Kennedy had no condition that
    would affect his memory. Mott then inquired extensively about the
    land transactions to which Kennedy had previously testified. Mott
    concluded the proceeding by reminding Kennedy again about the con-
    sequences of giving false testimony, and he gave Kennedy a last
    chance to change his testimony. Kennedy refused, however, and Mott
    excused him.
    On May 21, 2002, Kennedy was indicted on four counts of perjury
    before the grand jury on March 19, and one count of perjury before
    6                      UNITED STATES v. KENNEDY
    the grand jury on February 19. Count 1 was based on allegedly false
    statements Kennedy made on March 19 that related to his general
    drug activities, but the district court dismissed this count due to a lack
    of evidence of falsity. Counts 2, 3, and 4 stemmed from alleged
    inconsistencies between Kennedy’s testimony on February 19 and his
    testimony on March 19. Specifically, Kennedy admitted on February
    19 that he had sold drugs to Ruth Guy, Wayne Huffman, and Bobbi
    Brandon, but he stated on March 19 that he could not remember sell-
    ing drugs to any of them. Count 5 involved Kennedy’s February 19
    testimony relating to a land deal, which the government claimed was
    false on its own terms.
    Before trial, Kennedy moved to suppress the statements he made
    prior to and during the grand jury hearing. He argued that they were
    obtained in violation of his Fifth and Sixth Amendments rights, and
    that Mott had engaged in prosecutorial misconduct. On September 26,
    2002, the district court denied Kennedy’s motion. It held that
    although Mott had wrongly advised Kennedy that he had no right to
    remain silent about subjects relating to his drug conviction, this viola-
    tion did not require suppression of Kennedy’s statements at the per-
    jury trial. The court also rejected Kennedy’s claims that his right to
    counsel was violated during the grand jury proceeding, or that Mott
    had committed prosecutorial misconduct.
    At trial, the jury was presented with transcripts of Kennedy’s grand
    jury testimony on February 19 and March 19, 2002, as well as testi-
    monial evidence from Detective Merricks and Special Agent Blakey,
    among others. On October 1, 2002, the jury convicted Kennedy of
    four counts of perjury, and the district court later sentenced him to 30
    months’ imprisonment.
    II.
    Kennedy’s primary contention on appeal is that his perjurious testi-
    mony should have been suppressed because it was obtained in viola-
    tion of his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination and his
    Sixth Amendment right to counsel. Alternatively, Kennedy argues
    that these violations constituted prosecutorial misconduct amounting
    to a denial of due process. We address Kennedy’s arguments in turn.
    UNITED STATES v. KENNEDY                        7
    Kennedy first asserts infringements of his Fifth and Sixth Amend-
    ment rights. Kennedy argues that while his drug conviction was pend-
    ing appeal, he retained his privilege against self-incrimination and his
    right to counsel as to those events forming the basis of his conviction.
    Since he was both interrogated by detectives and questioned before
    the grand jury about his drug conviction in the absence of counsel, he
    asserts that the resulting statements should be inadmissible for any
    purpose.
    As an initial matter, we note that the United States has not
    attempted to use any of Kennedy’s statements from the pre-grand jury
    interviews. Nor could the United States have used these statements in
    Kennedy’s trial for perjury, since Kennedy was not under oath during
    the interviews. Consequently, the violations alleged to have occurred
    during these pre-grand jury interviews are irrelevant to Kennedy’s
    claims that the grand jury transcripts should be suppressed under the
    Fifth and Sixth Amendments. We therefore focus here only upon the
    alleged constitutional breaches during the grand jury appearances.2
    A.
    First, we agree with Kennedy that the government violated his
    Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination during the grand
    jury proceeding. We have held in no uncertain terms that a defen-
    dant’s right to invoke the Fifth Amendment as to events for which he
    has been convicted extends to the period during which the conviction
    is pending appeal. See Taylor v. Best, 
    746 F.2d 220
    , 222 (4th Cir.
    1984); accord United States v. Duchi, 
    944 F.2d 391
    , 394 (8th Cir.
    1991); Frank v. United States, 
    347 F.2d 486
    , 491 (D.C. Cir. 1965).
    Because any post-conviction evidence could be used against a defen-
    dant if his conviction were to be overturned, the risk of coerced self-
    incrimination remains until the conviction has been affirmed on
    appeal. See 
    Taylor, 746 F.2d at 222
    . By misadvising Kennedy that he
    had no right to refuse to answer questions relating to his drug convic-
    tion before the grand jury, Mott thus violated Kennedy’s Fifth
    Amendment rights.
    2
    The asserted violations of Kennedy’s constitutional rights during the
    pre-grand jury interviews are relevant, however, for his due process
    claim based on prosecutorial misconduct. See infra pp. 13-16.
    8                     UNITED STATES v. KENNEDY
    Kennedy also alleges violations of his Sixth Amendment right to
    counsel. The Sixth Amendment prohibits the government from delib-
    erately eliciting incriminating evidence from an accused "after he
    ha[s] been indicted and in the absence of his counsel." Massiah v.
    United States, 
    377 U.S. 201
    , 206 (1964). This right to counsel
    attaches upon the "initiation of adversary judicial criminal proceed-
    ings — whether by way of formal charge, preliminary hearing, indict-
    ment, information, or arraignment." Kirby v. Illinois, 
    406 U.S. 682
    ,
    689 (1972). And the right to appointed counsel "extends to the first
    appeal of right." Pennsylvania v. Finley, 
    481 U.S. 551
    , 555 (1987).
    However, the right to counsel is offense specific. See McNeil v. Wis-
    consin, 
    501 U.S. 171
    , 175 (1991). Thus, "incriminating statements
    pertaining to other crimes, as to which the Sixth Amendment right has
    not yet attached, are, of course, admissible at a trial of those
    offenses." Maine v. Moulton, 
    474 U.S. 159
    , 180 n.16 (1985).
    It is clear, as the district court found, that Kennedy had no right to
    counsel for his perjury charges at the time he committed perjury,
    since no formal proceedings had been initiated against him for those
    charges. But it is equally clear that Kennedy had invoked his right to
    counsel for his drug conviction at the time he testified before the
    grand jury. Because Mott questioned Kennedy about the substance of
    his drug conviction in the grand jury hearing, outside the presence of
    counsel, it is at least arguable that he breached Kennedy’s Sixth
    Amendment right to counsel. See, e.g., Brewer v. Williams, 
    430 U.S. 387
    , 401 (1977) ("[O]nce adversary proceedings have commenced
    against an individual, he has a right to legal representation when the
    government interrogates him.").
    However, it is relevant that Kennedy was questioned before a
    grand jury. The Supreme Court has stated that a grand jury witness
    "cannot insist, as a matter of constitutional right, on being represented
    by his counsel," even where the witness is a target of the investiga-
    tion. In re Groban, 
    352 U.S. 330
    , 333 (1957); see also United States
    v. Williams, 
    504 U.S. 36
    , 49 (1992). Indeed, some courts have held
    that a grand jury witness who has an appeal pending from a prior
    criminal conviction has no absolute Sixth Amendment right to have
    counsel present inside the grand jury room. See In re Grand Jury Sub-
    poena (United States v. McDougal), 
    97 F.3d 1090
    , 1093 (8th Cir.
    1996); United States v. Schwimmer, 
    882 F.2d 22
    , 27 (2d Cir. 1989).
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    According to these courts, it is sufficient that a witness is allowed to
    have an attorney present outside the grand jury room and to consult
    with the attorney before answering any question. See 
    McDougal, 97 F.3d at 1092-93
    ; 
    Schwimmer, 882 F.2d at 27
    . Here, Mott abided by
    this procedure and advised Kennedy that he could consult with his
    attorney outside the room before answering any question. And when
    Kennedy invoked his right to speak with counsel during the hearing,
    Mott appropriately respected it by stopping his line of questioning and
    ultimately continuing Kennedy’s appearance for a month.
    The parties have pointed us to no case from either the Supreme
    Court or this circuit deciding the exact dimensions of a defendant’s
    right to counsel (once attached) when appearing before a grand jury.
    We need not define precisely the nature or extent of Kennedy’s right
    to counsel here, however. It is clear that Kennedy’s Fifth Amendment
    rights were violated. We are willing to assume, purely for purposes
    of argument, that his Sixth Amendment right to counsel was also vio-
    lated during the grand jury hearing, either by Mott’s alleged failure
    to notify Kennedy’s counsel of the proceedings or by the simple fact
    that Kennedy was subject to questioning about his drug conviction
    pending appeal outside the presence of his counsel. See 
    Massiah, 377 U.S. at 206
    .
    B.
    The principal question we must answer, then, is whether these
    asserted violations of Kennedy’s Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights
    require exclusion of his false statements before the grand jury. That
    Kennedy’s rights were violated does not necessarily mean that his
    remedy includes suppression of these statements from his perjury
    trial. The distinction between rights and remedies, a classic feature of
    our legal system, is particularly important in the context of the proce-
    dural rights afforded to criminal defendants. The sweep of exclusion-
    ary rules is far from absolute, as courts have found illegally obtained
    evidence to be admissible for some purposes. See United States v.
    Calandra, 
    414 U.S. 338
    , 348 (1974) ("As with any remedial device,
    the application of the [exclusionary] rule has been restricted to those
    areas where its remedial objectives are thought most efficaciously
    served."). Therefore, though Kennedy’s rights were violated, we still
    must determine the nature of the remedy to which he is entitled, and
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    specifically whether it includes prohibiting the government from
    using his testimony for the purpose of establishing perjury.
    We would not hesitate to find that Kennedy’s statements would be
    inadmissible at any subsequent proceeding relating to his drug con-
    viction. Mott and the detectives legitimately sought to investigate
    drug and money laundering activities in Danville, and they reasonably
    believed that Kennedy possessed information that was relevant to this
    investigation. But they were not entitled to ignore Kennedy’s consti-
    tutional rights in the process. See Maine v. Moulton, 
    474 U.S. 159
    ,
    179-80 (1985).
    If it is plain that Kennedy’s statements would be inadmissible in
    proceedings relating to his drug conviction, we are not prepared to
    accept Kennedy’s more adventurous claim that his false statements
    should be excluded from his prosecution for perjury. It is well estab-
    lished that a defendant cannot immunize acts of perjury through sup-
    pression of false statements that were taken in violation of the
    defendant’s constitutional rights. See United States v. Mandujano,
    
    425 U.S. 564
    , 576-78, 582-84 (1976) (plurality opinion); United
    States v. Wong, 
    431 U.S. 174
    , 178-79 (1977). In Mandujano, a grand
    jury witness claimed that his false statements before a grand jury
    should have been suppressed from his perjury trial because he was
    never read his full Miranda rights. 
    See 425 U.S. at 569
    . Although the
    Court was divided as to the exact nature of Mandujano’s constitu-
    tional rights before the grand jury, the Court was unanimous that vio-
    lation of those rights — whatever their nature — would not require
    exclusion of his false statements at his perjury trial. See 
    id. at 576-77,
    582-84 (plurality opinion); 
    id. at 584-85,
    607-08 (Brennan, J., concur-
    ring); 
    id. at 609
    (Stewart, J., concurring). Chief Justice Burger
    declared for a plurality that "perjured testimony is an obvious and fla-
    grant affront to the basic concepts of judicial proceedings." 
    Id. at 576.
    As such, he observed that the Court’s cases "have consistently —
    indeed without exception — allowed sanctions for false statements or
    perjury," even "where the perjurer complained that the Government
    exceeded its constitutional powers in making the inquiry." 
    Id. at 577.
    Just one year later, in United States v. Wong, the Court reaffirmed
    this signal principle. There, Wong was being prosecuted for perjury
    based on her testimony before a grand jury, and she claimed that her
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    allegedly false statements should have been suppressed because she
    effectively had not been warned of her Fifth Amendment privilege.
    
    See 431 U.S. at 175-77
    . The Court, invoking the rule that "the Fifth
    Amendment privilege does not condone perjury," held that the state-
    ments were admissible at her perjury trial. 
    Id. at 178-79.
    The Court
    explained that although defendants may find themselves in situations
    where they must choose between incriminating themselves with the
    truth or lying, perjury is simply not an option. See 
    id. at 178-80.
    "If
    the citizen answers the question, the answer must be truthful." 
    Id. at 180.
    The Supreme Court has in a variety of contexts upheld this princi-
    ple, applied in Mandujano and Wong, that a defendant may not have
    his act of perjury excused, through suppression of evidence, because
    of constitutional violations. See, e.g., Harris v. New York, 
    401 U.S. 222
    , 225 (1971) ("Every criminal defendant is privileged to testify in
    his own defense, or to refuse to do so. But that privilege cannot be
    construed to include the right to commit perjury."); Bryson v. United
    States, 
    396 U.S. 64
    , 72 (1969) ("[I]t cannot be thought that as a gen-
    eral principle of our law a citizen has a privilege to answer fraudu-
    lently a question that the Government should not have asked. Our
    legal system provides methods for challenging the Government’s
    right to ask questions — lying is not one of them.").
    No less unwavering has been this circuit’s commitment to the gen-
    eral principle that perjury is an unacceptable response to asserted con-
    stitutional violations. For example, we stated that a defendant accused
    of committing perjury, though he could have invoked his Fifth
    Amendment privilege, "had no right to provide false testimony under
    oath. It is a stalwart principle of American jurisprudence that testify-
    ing witnesses have two permissible choices. They can provide truthful
    testimony or they can invoke the protections of the Fifth Amendment.
    False testimony is not a permissible option." United States v. Sarihi-
    fard, 
    155 F.3d 301
    , 308 (4th Cir. 1998) (citation omitted); see also
    United States v. Shuck, 
    895 F.2d 962
    , 965 (4th Cir. 1990) ("[The
    defendant’s] insistence that the prosecutor improperly questioned him
    affords no justification for his falsehoods.").
    Other circuits have invoked this principle specifically to deny
    motions to suppress statements from a perjury prosecution that were
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    obtained in violation of a defendant’s constitutional rights. See, e.g.,
    United States v. Bova, 
    350 F.3d 224
    , 227-28 (1st Cir. 2003) (denying
    a motion to suppress testimony from a perjury prosecution over a
    Sixth Amendment right to counsel objection, asserting that "defects
    in the steps that may bring witnesses to the stand are not adequate rea-
    son for tolerating the lies and foregoing punishment"); United States
    v. Olmeda, 
    839 F.2d 1433
    , 1434-37 (11th Cir. 1988) (denying a
    motion to suppress grand jury testimony from a perjury prosecution
    because, even assuming that the witness’s right to have counsel pres-
    ent was violated before the grand jury, "the failure of the government
    to provide an attorney for her does not excuse perjury on her part");
    United States v. Babb, 
    807 F.2d 272
    , 277 (1st Cir. 1986) (denying a
    motion to suppress grand jury testimony from a perjury trial over a
    Fifth Amendment challenge, stating that "the commission of perjury
    does not fall within the protection afforded compelled self-
    incriminating statements").
    It is true, as Kennedy argues, that the actual holdings in Mandujano
    and Wong were limited to the Fifth Amendment. We see no reason
    to treat violations of the Sixth Amendment right to counsel any differ-
    ently in this context, however. Lying under oath is no more of an
    acceptable response to a violation of one’s right to counsel than it is
    to a breach of one’s right to remain silent. In both instances, the
    defendant’s remedy does not include the ability to immunize his false
    testimony from a prosecution for perjury. This is especially true
    because, as it has in the Fifth Amendment context, the Court has nar-
    rowed the remedial scope of asserted Sixth Amendment violations.
    See McNeil v. Wisconsin, 
    501 U.S. 171
    , 175 (1991) (holding that the
    right to counsel is offense specific); 
    Moulton, 474 U.S. at 180
    n.16
    (holding that "incriminating statements pertaining to other crimes, as
    to which the Sixth Amendment right has not yet attached, are, of
    course, admissible at a trial of those offenses"). The use of a defen-
    dant’s false statements in a trial for the separate offense of perjury is
    consistent with the offense-specific nature of the Sixth Amendment.
    Indeed, although the Court has not expressly applied the principle
    of Mandujano and Wong to an asserted Sixth Amendment violation,
    Justice Brennan stated in his concurrence in Mandujano that it was
    unnecessary "to define the exact dimensions of [Mandujano’s] right
    to counsel since the testimony obtained by the grand jury interroga-
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    tion was not introduced as evidence at [Mandujano’s] trial on the
    charge concerning which he was 
    questioned." 425 U.S. at 607-08
    .
    Thus, he suggested that statements obtained in violation of the Sixth
    Amendment could be used to establish perjury, just as he concluded
    in the case of the Fifth Amendment. Moreover, the First Circuit has
    recently applied the principle of Mandujano and Wong to reject a sup-
    pression motion based on an asserted Sixth Amendment violation. See
    
    Bova, 350 F.3d at 227-28
    .
    In view of this authority, we conclude that Kennedy’s false state-
    ments are admissible to prove that he committed perjury, even if they
    were obtained in violation of the Fifth and Sixth Amendments. There
    is no question that Kennedy was entitled to protest the infringement
    of his rights. His remedy, however, was not to perjure himself and
    expect immunity from prosecution. The act of perjury strikes at the
    core of our system of justice: it pollutes the judicial process, and it
    breeds disrespect for the sanctity of the oath and the imposition of
    punishment. See 
    Mandujano, 425 U.S. at 576-78
    . It is simply incom-
    patible with the values underlying our criminal justice system that a
    defendant can lie under oath in order to remedy perceived abuses of
    his rights.
    III.
    Kennedy alternatively claims that the breaches of his Fifth and
    Sixth Amendment rights constituted a violation of due process. The
    Supreme Court recognized in Mandujano and Wong that a perjury
    conviction should be overturned where the false statements were
    induced by prosecutorial misconduct so unfair as to amount to a
    denial of due process. See 
    Mandujano, 425 U.S. at 583
    (plurality
    opinion); 
    id. at 585
    (Brennan, J., concurring); 
    id. at 609
    (Stewart, J.,
    concurring); 
    Wong, 431 U.S. at 179-80
    ; see also United States v.
    Shuck, 
    895 F.2d 962
    , 966 (4th Cir. 1990).
    The basis for Kennedy’s due process claim is his assertion that
    Mott and the detectives committed prosecutorial misconduct. In order
    to establish prosecutorial misconduct, Kennedy must demonstrate that
    Mott’s conduct was improper, and that this misconduct prejudicially
    affected his substantial rights. See United States v. Derrick, 
    163 F.3d 799
    , 807-08 (4th Cir. 1998). We review the district court’s factual
    14                    UNITED STATES v. KENNEDY
    findings for clear error and its legal conclusions de novo. See United
    States v. Ellis, 
    121 F.3d 908
    , 927 (4th Cir. 1997).
    There can be little question that Mott’s conduct was improper. As
    we have held, Mott violated Kennedy’s Fifth Amendment privilege
    by instructing him that he could not refuse to testify about a drug con-
    viction that was on direct appeal. Moreover, while we have assumed
    for purposes of argument that Mott violated Kennedy’s Sixth Amend-
    ment rights in the grand jury proceeding, it is clear that his right to
    counsel in the pre-grand jury interview was breached by questions
    about his drug conviction outside the presence of his attorney. See
    Massiah v. United States, 
    377 U.S. 201
    , 206 (1964).
    In Kennedy’s view, these breaches severely prejudiced him. To
    support this claim, Kennedy points to United States v. Doss, 
    563 F.2d 265
    , 278-79 (6th Cir. 1977), in which the Sixth Circuit suppressed a
    defendant’s grand jury testimony because it was found to be the result
    of prosecutorial misconduct amounting to a denial of due process.
    Like the defendant in Doss, Kennedy asserts, he would not have testi-
    fied before the grand jury but for the violations of his rights, and
    therefore he would not have perjured himself. Thus, Kennedy argues
    that his false statements should be suppressed.
    We disagree. First, Doss is distinguishable from the present case.
    In Doss, the grand jury witness had already been indicted for a sub-
    stantive offense by the grand jury in front of which he was testifying,
    but the prosecution concealed that fact from him. 
    See 563 F.2d at 267
    .
    The prosecutor then proceeded to question the witness about the sub-
    stance of his offense. See 
    id. at 271.
    The Sixth Circuit found that "the
    government deliberately and purposefully employed the grand jury in
    questioning an already indicted defendant about the crime for which
    he was soon to be tried." 
    Id. The Doss
    court’s holding rested upon its
    view that the prosecutor abused the grand jury process by using it as
    a mere discovery tool for obtaining evidence against the defendant.
    See 
    id. at 276-77.
    Here, by contrast, there is no evidence that Mott questioned Ken-
    nedy simply to further the government’s prosecution of Kennedy. The
    government reasonably believed that Kennedy had information that
    would be helpful to the grand jury’s investigation of other individuals
    UNITED STATES v. KENNEDY                        15
    and crimes. See 
    Shuck, 895 F.2d at 966
    . And Kennedy was not even
    a target of the investigation. Thus, Doss provides no help to Kenne-
    dy’s due process claim. See United States v. Schwimmer, 
    882 F.2d 22
    ,
    26 (2d Cir. 1989) ("Unlike Doss, we cannot conclude that the govern-
    ment’s actions were taken for the impermissible purpose of gathering
    evidence against the appellant-witness.").
    Notably, in rejecting Kennedy’s claim, the district court found that
    "there is no indication of trickery or deception on the part of the gov-
    ernment." It observed that although Mott failed to abide by all of Ken-
    nedy’s constitutional rights, he properly advised Kennedy about his
    right to speak with counsel outside of the grand jury room. And Mott
    appropriately respected Kennedy’s invocation of counsel by passing
    over questions and ultimately by continuing Kennedy’s appearance.
    The district court therefore concluded that Kennedy could not estab-
    lish prosecutorial misconduct — a finding that the dissent neglects
    even to mention.
    Two additional factors are important here. First, Mott repeatedly
    warned Kennedy that he was under oath and that lying would consti-
    tute perjury. Mott even gave Kennedy the opportunity to correct his
    testimony at the end of his March 19 appearance. It is abundantly
    clear in light of all these warnings that Mott was not trying to trick
    Kennedy into perjuring himself. See 
    Shuck, 895 F.2d at 966
    . Second,
    the fact that Kennedy consulted his attorney before his second grand
    jury appearance — and prior to perjuring himself — further undercuts
    his claim. Inherent in Kennedy’s due process argument is the notion
    that the Fifth and Sixth Amendment violations were so pervasive that
    they led him to perjure himself. This alleged "but-for causation,"
    however, is difficult to maintain in light of the fact that Kennedy con-
    sulted with his attorney prior to perjuring himself. See 
    id. at 966-67.
    In view of these facts, we agree with the district court’s finding that
    there was no prejudicial prosecutorial misconduct. In Shuck, we held
    that no such misconduct was present where the prosecutor responded
    to a defendant’s invocation of his Fifth Amendment privilege in a
    grand jury proceeding by badgering the witness with repeated ques-
    tions about the subject matter for which the privilege was invoked.
    
    See 895 F.2d at 966-67
    . The present case is less difficult to decide,
    because Mott and the detectives, despite their incorrect assessments
    16                     UNITED STATES v. KENNEDY
    of Kennedy’s rights, never badgered Kennedy or coerced him into
    testifying. Suppression of false statements from a perjury trial under
    a due process rationale — an exception to the general principle estab-
    lished in Mandujano and Wong — should be a rare occurrence. Other-
    wise, we risk subverting the sensible limiting principle to the
    exclusionary rule by treating all violations of the Fifth and Sixth
    Amendments as violations of due process. See United States v. Bova,
    
    350 F.3d 224
    , 229 (1st Cir. 2003) ("Perhaps in some extreme situation
    a prosecutor’s interference with the right to counsel might seem so
    egregious and functionally related to the perjury as to provide an
    arguable case for . . . a sanction [of exclusion]. . . . The naked perjury
    in this case provides no encouragement to plough new ground."). In
    short, Kennedy’s due process claim must fail.
    IV.
    Kennedy next argues that there was insufficient evidence for the
    jury to find that his statements were material to the grand jury’s inves-
    tigation. Although Kennedy’s drug distribution was not the focus of
    the grand jury’s investigation, the fact that his statements bore on the
    drug activities of three potential targets — and affected the grand
    jury’s revelation of other parties involved in drug dealing in Danville
    — made them material. His statements, in short, had the potential to
    "impede the grand jury’s capacity to attain an accurate and prompt
    resolution of the matter under consideration." United States v. Sarihi-
    fard, 
    155 F.3d 301
    , 307 (4th Cir. 1998). We accordingly reject Ken-
    nedy’s claim that there was insufficient evidence to establish
    materiality.
    V.
    Kennedy’s final contention is that the district court erred in failing
    to give a requested jury instruction on the defense of perjury entrap-
    ment. We review a district court’s decision whether to give a jury
    instruction for abuse of discretion. See United States v. Russell, 
    971 F.2d 1098
    , 1107 (4th Cir. 1992).
    Kennedy attempted to assert a perjury entrapment defense, and he
    requested a jury instruction to that effect. The defense of entrapment
    applies where the government induces a person to commit a crime
    UNITED STATES v. KENNEDY                       17
    and that person had no predisposition to engage in the criminal act.
    See Mathews v. United States, 
    485 U.S. 58
    , 62-63 (1988). To estab-
    lish inducement, a defendant must show that the "government acted
    in an excessive manner that would prompt a reasonably firm person
    to commit a crime." 
    Sarihifand, 155 F.3d at 308
    . In the context of a
    perjury charge, "entrapment occurs when a government agent coaxes
    a defendant to testify under oath for the sole purpose of eliciting per-
    jury." 
    Id. The district
    court rejected Kennedy’s request for a jury instruction
    on perjury entrapment. It found that Mott had a legitimate purpose in
    bringing Kennedy before the grand jury. It also noted that Mott made
    every effort in the March 19 proceeding to get Kennedy to tell the
    truth and that he repeatedly warned Kennedy throughout both appear-
    ances of the consequences of perjury. Accordingly, the district court
    concluded that there was no "evidence from [Kennedy] on which to
    predicate an entrapment instruction." We find no reason to disturb this
    ruling.
    VI.
    For the foregoing reasons, the judgment of the district court is
    AFFIRMED.
    MICHAEL, Circuit Judge, dissenting:
    Robert Kennedy, Jr.’s drug trafficking conviction was on appeal
    when an Assistant United States Attorney (AUSA) forced him to tes-
    tify before a grand jury about what he had done. Though it seems
    incredible, the AUSA actually told Kennedy that he did not have a
    Fifth Amendment right to refuse to testify in the grand jury about his
    pending case. The AUSA then questioned Kennedy, who was still an
    accused, in blatant violation of his Sixth Amendment right to counsel.
    In all of this, the AUSA misused the grand jury because it had no
    authority to interrogate Kennedy about his crimes while his case was
    still pending. After Kennedy testified falsely in his second forced
    grand jury appearance, he was prosecuted and convicted for perjury.
    In the events leading up to the perjury prosecution, the AUSA flouted
    18                    UNITED STATES v. KENNEDY
    Kennedy’s rights and abused the grand jury power to such a degree
    that Kennedy was denied due process. I therefore respectfully dissent
    from the majority’s refusal to order the suppression of Kennedy’s
    grand jury testimony.
    I.
    The facts relating to the many violations of Kennedy’s constitu-
    tional rights are worth repeating. Kennedy, who is now fifty-eight
    years old, was subpoenaed to give post-conviction testimony before
    the grand jury in February and March 2002; he had just been sen-
    tenced to thirty-five years in prison on two counts of distributing
    crack cocaine in violation of 21 U.S.C. § 841(a)(1) and one count of
    conspiracy to distribute more than five kilograms of cocaine and more
    than fifty grams of crack in violation of 21 U.S.C. § 846. Kennedy
    was being held in the Roanoke, Virginia, city jail, awaiting transfer
    to federal prison. His appeal was pending, and he was represented by
    counsel. Meanwhile, the investigation into the drug ring that Kennedy
    had been a part of was continuing, and the government was interested
    in learning more about the activities of his confederates. The AUSA,
    who was in charge of the ongoing investigation and who had prose-
    cuted Kennedy on the drug charges, knew that Kennedy’s conviction
    was on direct appeal and that he was represented by counsel.
    Despite this knowledge the AUSA twice brought Kennedy from
    the Roanoke city jail to the federal building to be interrogated and to
    testify before the grand jury about the very same conduct that led to
    his conviction and pending appeal. Kennedy’s lawyer was not there
    to assist him on either occasion. Right before each of Kennedy’s
    grand jury appearances, drug task force officers — at the direction of
    the AUSA — interrogated Kennedy in the U.S. Marshal’s office
    about his offense conduct. Kennedy was not informed of his Miranda
    rights on either occasion. Again, his lawyer was not present, even
    though the officers also knew he was represented. Each pre-grand
    jury interrogation session began with the AUSA giving Kennedy
    wrong or misleading information about his constitutional rights. First,
    the AUSA instructed Kennedy that he did not have a Fifth Amend-
    ment right to refuse to testify about the conduct underlying his con-
    victions that were on appeal. As the majority recognizes, this advice
    was completely wrong and violated Kennedy’s Fifth Amendment
    UNITED STATES v. KENNEDY                        19
    right against self-incrimination. See ante at 7. Second, the AUSA
    gave Kennedy advice that was misleading and deceptive in the cir-
    cumstances: the AUSA told Kennedy that he had a right to consult
    with his lawyer outside the grand jury room. This advice would have
    been correct only if Kennedy’s appeal had been concluded and his
    conviction affirmed. Because Kennedy’s conviction was not yet final,
    the AUSA should have told him that he had the right not to be put
    before the grand jury to testify about his pending case unless he first
    waived his right to counsel. During the interrogation sessions that pre-
    ceded both of his grand jury appearances, Kennedy made it plain to
    the officers that he did not want to talk. He said repeatedly that he did
    "not want[ ] to testify before the grand jury" and that "he would just
    pull his 35 years." J.A. 21, 23. Nevertheless, in the first interview the
    officers were able to get quite a bit of information from Kennedy
    about his drug dealing. Although the AUSA did not remain in the
    room during the pre-grand jury interrogations, he knew that the offi-
    cers would be questioning Kennedy about his offense conduct. And
    the AUSA had access to the information gathered by the officers to
    guide his questions of Kennedy in the grand jury.
    At the start of each of Kennedy’s grand jury appearances, the
    AUSA gave Kennedy the same erroneous and misleading advice he
    was given prior to the sessions in the Marshal’s office. Kennedy was
    told that he did not have the right to refuse to answer questions about
    the offenses for which he had been convicted and that he only had a
    right to consult his lawyer outside the grand jury room. The AUSA
    then asked, and Kennedy answered, many questions about what he
    had done to be convicted. The AUSA suspended the questioning in
    Kennedy’s first appearance after Kennedy asked a second time to
    speak to his lawyer. The AUSA said he would "make arrangements"
    for Kennedy’s lawyer to be there for his next grand jury appearance.
    J.A. 314. No such arrangements were ever made, however. Kennedy
    did talk with his lawyer after his first appearance, but the record
    reveals nothing about the substance of that conversation.
    At his first grand jury appearance, Kennedy testified about the
    cocaine transactions that led to his pending conviction, and he named
    persons to whom he had sold drugs. When Kennedy was asked about
    these transactions at his second grand jury appearance, he claimed
    that he could not remember anything. This led to Kennedy’s indict-
    20                    UNITED STATES v. KENNEDY
    ment on five counts of perjury (one count was dismissed). The district
    court denied Kennedy’s motion, made on Fifth and Sixth Amendment
    grounds, to suppress his grand jury testimony. Kennedy was then con-
    victed of perjury and sentenced to an additional thirty months impris-
    onment, to be served consecutively to his existing 420-month (thirty-
    five year) sentence on the drug charges. Kennedy’s perjury conviction
    is bottomed on nearly a dozen separate violations of his Fifth and
    Sixth Amendment rights that occurred during the pre-grand jury and
    grand jury interrogations. Specifically, Kennedy’s Sixth Amendment
    right to counsel was violated each of the four times (two grand jury
    appearances and two pre-appearance sessions) he was questioned out-
    side the presence of his counsel about the conduct underlying his con-
    victions. His Fifth Amendment right to be free of compelled self-
    incrimination was violated each of the four times the AUSA incor-
    rectly informed him that he had no right to refuse to testify about his
    convictions. Kennedy’s Fifth Amendment rights were also violated
    when he was not given Miranda warnings before each of his pre-
    grand jury interrogation sessions. Finally, when the AUSA’s oppres-
    sive acts, including his abuse of the grand jury process, are all put
    together, they violate Kennedy’s right to due process under the Fifth
    Amendment.
    II.
    A.
    I will first discuss the significance of the Sixth Amendment viola-
    tions, which the majority fails to recognize fully. If Kennedy’s Sixth
    Amendment rights had been honored, he would not have been
    brought before the grand jury in the first place. "The Sixth Amend-
    ment guarantees the accused . . . the right to rely on counsel as a
    ‘medium’ between him and the [government]." Maine v. Moulton,
    
    474 U.S. 159
    , 176 (1985). The right to counsel attaches at the begin-
    ning of a criminal prosecution and continues through the first appeal
    as of right. Massiah v. United States, 
    377 U.S. 201
    , 206 (1964); Penn-
    sylvania v. Finley, 
    481 U.S. 551
    , 555 (1987); see also Taylor v. Best,
    
    746 F.2d 220
    , 222 (4th Cir. 1984). An indictment, for example, trig-
    gers the right to counsel, Michigan v. Jackson, 
    475 U.S. 625
    , 632
    (1986), and thereafter the defendant must have "legal representation
    when the government interrogates him," Brewer v. Williams, 430 U.S.
    UNITED STATES v. KENNEDY                       21
    387, 401 (1977). Because the right to legal representation after indict-
    ment is so basic, the government has an "affirmative obligation" not
    to interrogate the accused unless his lawyer is present. 
    Moulton, 474 U.S. at 176
    ; see also 
    Jackson, 475 U.S. at 631-32
    . The government’s
    violation of this obligation "contravenes the basic dictates of fairness
    in the conduct of criminal causes and the fundamental rights of per-
    sons charged with crime." 
    Massiah, 377 U.S. at 205
    (internal quota-
    tion marks and citation omitted). The Sixth Amendment right to
    counsel has certain limits. For instance, the right may be waived,
    
    Brewer, 430 U.S. at 404
    , and it only attaches to the offense charged,
    Texas v. Cobb, 
    532 U.S. 162
    , 167-68 (2001). None of the limitations
    applies here, however.
    Kennedy’s Sixth Amendment right to counsel was violated a num-
    ber of times, by the officers in the interrogation sessions and by the
    AUSA before the grand jury. Because Kennedy had been formally
    charged with the very drug offenses he was being questioned about,
    and his conviction for those offenses was on appeal, Kennedy
    remained an accused. See 
    Massiah, 377 U.S. at 206
    ; 
    Taylor, 746 F.2d at 222
    (holding that a defendant with an appeal pending retains his
    Fifth Amendment privilege because compelled statements might be
    used against him in subsequent proceedings). The AUSA and the offi-
    cers, therefore, could not question Kennedy about those offenses
    without his lawyer present, unless he waived his Sixth Amendment
    right. See 
    Brewer, 430 U.S. at 401
    , 404. Moreover, because Kenne-
    dy’s lawyer could not have accompanied Kennedy inside the grand
    jury room, see Fed. R. Crim. P. 6(d), the AUSA had an affirmative
    obligation not to bring Kennedy before the grand jury at all for ques-
    tioning about his unaffirmed convictions. See 
    Moulton, 474 U.S. at 171
    . Instead of respecting Kennedy’s Sixth Amendment rights, the
    AUSA "knowingly circumvent[ed] [Kennedy’s] right to the assistance
    of counsel." 
    Id. at 180.
    The offense specific nature of the right to
    counsel does not negate Kennedy’s right because he was questioned
    about the offenses involved in his pending drug case; he was not
    questioned about any perjury offense. See 
    Cobb, 532 U.S. at 167
    . In
    sum, Kennedy’s Sixth Amendment right was violated every time the
    officers or the AUSA questioned him, either in the pre-grand jury ses-
    sions or before the grand jury itself.
    The majority is wrong to suggest that it might have been permissi-
    ble for the government to bring Kennedy before the grand jury in
    22                    UNITED STATES v. KENNEDY
    these circumstances because the AUSA told him he could consult
    with his lawyer outside the grand jury room. Ante at 8. The cases
    cited by the majority for this proposition are short of the mark
    because they deal with unindicted targets of grand jury investigations,
    who are not yet accused within the meaning of the Sixth Amendment.
    Compare 
    Massiah, 377 U.S. at 206
    , with United States v. Williams,
    
    504 U.S. 36
    , 49 (1992), and In re Groban, 
    352 U.S. 330
    , 333 (1957).
    Kennedy, as an accused, had the Sixth Amendment right not to be
    brought before the grand jury to testify about his offenses of convic-
    tion that were pending on appeal. See 
    Moulton, 474 U.S. at 176
    . Sim-
    ply put, the government could not confront Kennedy in any situation
    where his lawyer was not or could not be present. 
    Id. Justice Brennan
    made this same point, relying on the Fifth Amendment, in his opinion
    concurring in the judgment in United States v. Mandujano, 
    425 U.S. 564
    , 594 (1976): "[i]t is clear that the government may not in the
    absence of an intentional and knowing waiver call an indicted defen-
    dant before a grand jury and there interrogate him concerning the sub-
    ject matter of a crime for which he already stands formally charged."
    The cases from other circuits cited by the majority are easily distin-
    guishable from Kennedy’s situation. See ante at 8. Both In re Grand
    Jury Subpoena (United States v. McDougal), 
    97 F.3d 1090
    , 1092-93
    (8th Cir. 1996), and United States v. Schwimmer, 
    882 F.2d 22
    , 27 (2d
    Cir. 1989), relied on the government’s grant of use immunity to hold
    that an indicted grand jury witness could be questioned outside the
    presence of counsel without violating the Constitution. Here, Ken-
    nedy was not granted use immunity, nor did he waive his Sixth
    Amendment right to counsel. He therefore had a constitutional right
    to have his lawyer sitting next to him any time the government ques-
    tioned him about the offenses he was being prosecuted for, even if the
    government’s purpose was to seek information about others involved
    in his drug dealing. See 
    Moulton, 474 U.S. at 179-80
    . The AUSA’s
    misleading advice to Kennedy — that he had the right to consult his
    (absent) lawyer outside the grand jury room — does not excuse the
    blatant Sixth Amendment violations. See 
    id. at 176.
    The majority, in arguing that any Sixth Amendment violations here
    are not a bar to Kennedy’s perjury prosecution, relies on Mandujano,
    
    425 U.S. 564
    , and United States v. Wong, 
    431 U.S. 174
    (1977), cases
    where grand jury testimony obtained in violation of the Fifth Amend-
    UNITED STATES v. KENNEDY                      23
    ment was used to establish perjury. Ante at 10. In relying on these
    Fifth Amendment cases, the majority ignores important differences
    between the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination
    and the Sixth Amendment right to counsel. As long as the government
    honors Fifth Amendment safeguards (such as giving Miranda warn-
    ings when required), it may ask questions of an individual that could
    lead to incriminating answers; it is up to the individual to assert his
    Fifth Amendment privilege. E.g., Minnesota v. Murphy, 
    465 U.S. 420
    ,
    427-28 (1984). This procedure "reflect[s] an appropriate accommoda-
    tion of the Fifth Amendment privilege and the generally applicable
    principle that governments have the right to everyone’s testimony."
    Garner v. United States, 
    424 U.S. 648
    , 655 (1976). In contrast, the
    Sixth Amendment forbids the government from questioning an
    accused about charged offenses outside the presence of his lawyer.
    
    Moulton, 474 U.S. at 176
    . Moreover, once the Sixth Amendment right
    to counsel has attached, the accused does not have to assert his right
    every time the government seeks to question him. 
    Brewer, 430 U.S. at 404
    . The government has an affirmative obligation to refrain from
    questioning an accused without his lawyer present, and that obligation
    is fundamental to "our whole system of adversary criminal justice."
    Kirby v. Illinois, 
    406 U.S. 682
    , 689 (1972). These differences between
    the Fifth and Sixth Amendments mean that the grand juries in Mandu-
    jano and Wong, where the witnesses were not yet accused or indicted,
    could ask the questions that led to perjurous answers that were not
    suppressed. An indicted individual, however, cannot be brought into
    the grand jury to testify about his charged conduct, for that violates
    his right to have counsel at his side. See 
    Moulton, 474 U.S. at 176
    .
    In this case, therefore, where criminal proceedings were still pending
    against Kennedy, the grand jury was constitutionally forbidden from
    asking the questions that led to his false answers. See 
    Mandujano, 425 U.S. at 581
    ; 
    Wong, 431 U.S. at 179-80
    ; Brown v. United States, 
    245 F.2d 549
    , 554-55 (8th Cir. 1957) (reversing a perjury conviction
    because the grand jury was investigating crimes in another jurisdic-
    tion and the purpose of the questioning was to lay a foundation for
    a perjury indictment).
    In sum, the grand jury in this case was never entitled to Kennedy’s
    testimony, truthful or otherwise, because the grand jury (through the
    AUSA) violated Kennedy’s Sixth Amendment right to have his law-
    yer present at all interrogations from indictment through appeal. It is
    24                    UNITED STATES v. KENNEDY
    not necessary to decide, however, whether the Sixth Amendment vio-
    lations alone require the suppression of Kennedy’s grand jury testi-
    mony at his perjury trial. As I explain next, the testimony must be
    suppressed because Kennedy’s rights were trampled to the point that
    he was denied due process.
    B.
    The AUSA’s abusive tactics and procedures violated Kennedy’s
    Fifth Amendment due process rights. After misusing the govern-
    ment’s subpoena power to bring Kennedy to the courthouse while his
    appeal was pending, the AUSA proceeded to commit or orchestrate
    Fifth and Sixth Amendment violations in the process of requiring
    Kennedy to answer questions about his offenses. What is more, the
    AUSA misused the grand jury, which had no authority to question
    Kennedy about his case while it was still on appeal. These overbear-
    ing tactics were pervasive and shocking, and they must be recognized
    for what they amount to — a violation of the Due Process Clause of
    the Fifth Amendment.
    Kennedy was not given the required Miranda warnings at either of
    the pre-grand jury interrogations. Yet at both sessions, Kennedy made
    it clear that he did not want to testify about or discuss his offenses;
    he said repeatedly that he "just wanted to do his time." J.A. 24. Even
    though Kennedy made his wishes plain in laymen’s language, the
    AUSA put him into the grand jury and misadvised him that he did not
    have a Fifth Amendment right to refuse to testify about the conduct
    that led to his convictions then pending on appeal. The AUSA then
    proceeded to ask him questions about that very conduct, compound-
    ing the Fifth Amendment violations. No perjury case cited by the
    majority involves Fifth Amendment violations by a prosecutor that
    approach this level of abuse. For example, in Mandujano the Supreme
    Court held that a grand jury witness, who was a suspect, could be
    prosecuted for perjury even though he was not given full Miranda
    
    warnings. 425 U.S. at 578-79
    . Likewise, in Wong the untruthful grand
    jury witness, who was under investigation, was subject to a perjury
    prosecution even though she did not — because of language barriers
    — understand the prosecutor’s warning that she had a Fifth Amend-
    ment right not to answer incriminating 
    questions. 431 U.S. at 177
    .
    Here, in contrast, the AUSA told Kennedy that he did not have a Fifth
    UNITED STATES v. KENNEDY                          25
    Amendment right to refuse to testify. That was dead wrong and inde-
    fensible. The AUSA simply rode roughshod over Kennedy, forcing
    him to testify against himself.
    Kennedy’s case is also different from Mandujano and Wong
    because the grand juries in those cases were exercising their lawful
    investigative authority to gather evidence from witnesses who were
    suspected of criminal activity. See 
    Mandujano, 425 U.S. at 573
    , 578;
    
    Wong, 431 U.S. at 179-80
    . Here, the grand jury’s role in Kennedy’s
    pending case terminated when he was indicted. After his indictment
    the grand jury had no authority to call Kennedy before it to testify
    about his pending case. The AUSA, by putting Kennedy before the
    grand jury to question him about his ongoing case, forced the grand
    jury to act beyond its authority. This amounted to an abuse of process
    in violation of the Fifth Amendment. United States v. Doss, 
    563 F.2d 265
    , 276-77 (6th Cir. 1977); 
    Brown, 245 F.2d at 554-55
    ; see also
    
    Mandujano, 425 U.S. at 583
    ; 
    id. at 594
    (Brennan, J., concurring in the
    judgment).
    The AUSA’s conduct here was far different from that of the prose-
    cutors in Mandujano and Wong for still another reason: the AUSA
    repeatedly violated Kennedy’s Sixth Amendment right to counsel.
    This debacle could have been prevented if the AUSA had honored
    Kennedy’s Sixth Amendment right and allowed his lawyer to be pres-
    ent at the interrogations that preceded each grand jury appearance. If
    the lawyer had been there, he could have put force behind Kennedy’s
    wishes and assisted him in asserting his Fifth Amendment rights
    before any interrogation began. In addition, the lawyer could have
    reminded the AUSA that a defendant whose case is on appeal must
    not be subjected to questioning before a grand jury about the offenses
    involved. By the time Kennedy’s case had reached the post-trial stage,
    he had established a pattern of not talking to the authorities and of not
    testifying. He did not cooperate with the authorities before his trial,
    he did not testify at trial, and he said repeatedly in the post-trial inter-
    rogation sessions that he did not want to talk to the authorities or tes-
    tify in the grand jury. If his lawyer had been with him when he was
    confronted by the authorities after his conviction, it is likely that Ken-
    nedy’s continuing wish to remain silent would have been honored. It
    is not enough to say that Kennedy talked with his lawyer about some-
    thing between his grand jury appearances, see ante at 15, because that
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    is no substitute for his constitutionally guaranteed right to have his
    counsel with him during every interrogation "as a ‘medium’ between
    him and the [authorities]." 
    Moulton, 474 U.S. at 176
    . In short, this
    case is a perfect illustration of why the interrogation of a defendant
    without his lawyer while his case is still pending "contravenes the
    basic dictates of fairness in the conduct of criminal causes and the
    fundamental rights of persons charged with crime." 
    Massiah, 377 U.S. at 205
    (internal quotation marks and citation omitted).
    The majority recognizes six violations of Kennedy’s constitutional
    rights and assumes that two others occurred. Yet it concludes that
    there was no due process violation, in part because the AUSA says
    he was not aiming to gather evidence against Kennedy. Ante at 14-15.
    The AUSA asserts that he was investigating others involved in drug
    dealing; that, of course, was an appropriate prosecutorial mission.
    Nevertheless, as the majority recognizes elsewhere in its opinion, the
    AUSA and the officers "were not entitled to ignore Kennedy’s consti-
    tutional rights in the process" of this investigation. Ante at 10 (citing
    
    Moulton, 474 U.S. at 179-80
    ). The majority also relies on the facts
    that the AUSA did not trick Kennedy into lying, that he paid lip ser-
    vice to Kennedy’s right to consult with his lawyer outside the grand
    jury room, that he warned Kennedy of the consequences of lying
    under oath, and that he gave Kennedy an opportunity to change his
    testimony. Ante at 15. Although the majority may be correct that the
    AUSA’s constitutional violations did not force Kennedy to testify
    falsely, they did force him to testify in "contraven[tion of] the basic
    dictates of fairness in the conduct of criminal causes and [Kennedy’s]
    fundamental rights." 
    Massiah, 377 U.S. at 205
    (internal quotation
    marks and citation omitted). The unfairness here was the very act of
    calling Kennedy to testify before the grand jury. See 
    Wong, 431 U.S. at 179
    . In any event, the AUSA’s repeated and wrong instructions
    about Kennedy’s Fifth Amendment rights almost certainly led him to
    incriminate himself during his first grand jury appearance and to
    answer questions falsely when he should have remained silent during
    his second appearance.
    Kennedy was still an accused with Fifth and Sixth Amendment
    rights when the AUSA twice arranged for his interrogation by officers
    and twice questioned him before the grand jury. The AUSA’s actions
    — from arranging for Kennedy to be interrogated without counsel, to
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    telling him that he had no Fifth Amendment rights, to ignoring his
    express wishes that he not be questioned, to questioning him before
    grand jury in violation of his Sixth Amendment rights, to misusing the
    grand jury at a time when it had no authority over Kennedy’s pending
    case — amount to shocking misconduct. This misconduct corrupted
    the investigative and grand jury process to a degree that it denied
    Kennedy his due process rights. See 
    Mandujano, 425 U.S. at 583
    ; 
    id. at 585
    (Brennan, J., concurring in the judgment).
    C.
    This case presents a real dilemma. There is no solution that offers
    complete justice because both sides have engaged in reprehensible
    conduct. The AUSA repeatedly violated Kennedy’s most basic rights
    as an accused in a criminal case, and that must be condemned. Ken-
    nedy committed perjury, and that must also be condemned. If we
    leave things as they are, Kennedy stands convicted of perjury, and the
    AUSA stands excused. That result, I believe, does not take sufficient
    account of the prosecutorial abuse.
    The government had lawful ways to obtain Kennedy’s testimony
    before his appeal was concluded. The AUSA could have contacted
    Kennedy’s lawyer and requested that he waive his rights and testify
    voluntarily. If that failed, the government could have given Kennedy
    use immunity. Immunity was a reasonable option, especially since the
    government had no intention of pursuing Kennedy any further for
    drug crimes. Rather than taking a common sense approach, the AUSA
    plunged recklessly ahead, jerking Kennedy into interrogation sessions
    and grand jury proceedings and committing a slew of constitutional
    violations along the way.
    During this entire interrogation and grand jury process, Kennedy
    did not know what his rights were. The AUSA used his dominant
    position to mislead Kennedy about his rights, and he forced Kennedy
    to testify against himself. The majority suggests that Kennedy’s rem-
    edy is "to protest the infringement of his rights." Ante at 13. But pro-
    test is an inadequate remedy in this instance. Protest, for example,
    cannot undo the tangible detriment to Kennedy that stems from the
    AUSA’s misconduct: a two and one-half year sentence for perjury
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    added to a thoroughly deserved thirty-five year sentence for drug
    dealing, all to be served by a man who is nearly sixty years old.
    I believe that Kennedy’s false testimony to the grand jury must be
    suppressed in light of the magnitude of the violations of his rights. I
    recognize, of course, that "[p]erjured testimony is an obvious and fla-
    grant affront to the basic concepts of judicial proceedings," and per-
    jury "has no place" in an ordered system of justice. 
    Mandujano, 425 U.S. at 576
    . The rule that perjury cannot be excused is not quite abso-
    lute, however, because the Supreme Court has recognized that entrap-
    ment or abuse of the grand jury process may require the dismissal of
    perjury charges. 
    Mandujano, 425 U.S. at 583
    . As one Justice who
    concurred in the Mandujano judgment explained: when false answers
    before a grand jury are "induced by governmental tactics or proce-
    dures so inherently unfair under all the circumstances . . . a prosecu-
    tion for perjury [may constitute] a violation of the Due Process Clause
    of the Fifth Amendment." 
    Id. at 585
    (Brennan, J., concurring in the
    judgment). See also 
    id. at 609
    (Stewart, J., concurring in the judg-
    ment) (noting that a perjury prosecution may be barred when there is
    "prosecutorial conduct amounting to a denial of due process"). The
    prosecutor’s tactics here, especially his misuse of the grand jury, were
    so abusive and unfair that Kennedy was denied due process. His per-
    jured testimony should therefore be suppressed.