Juan Amaya v. Jeffrey Rosen ( 2021 )


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  •                                      PUBLISHED
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE FOURTH CIRCUIT
    No. 19-1619
    JUAN CARLOS AMAYA,
    Petitioner,
    v.
    JEFFREY A. ROSEN, Acting Attorney General,
    Respondent.
    On Petition for Review of an Order of the Board of Immigration Appeals.
    Argued: September 9, 2020                                     Decided: January 25, 2021
    Before THACKER, RICHARDSON, and QUATTLEBAUM, Circuit Judges.
    Petition for review granted in part and denied in part and case remanded for further
    consideration consistent with this published opinion. Judge Quattlebaum wrote the opinion,
    in which Judge Thacker joined. Judge Richardson wrote a dissenting opinion.
    ARGUED: Abdoul Aziz Konare, KONARE LAW, Frederick, Maryland, for Petitioner.
    John Frederick Stanton, UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, Washington,
    D.C., for Respondent. ON BRIEF: Joseph H. Hunt, Assistant Attorney General, Jessica E.
    Burns, Senior Litigation Counsel, Office of Immigration Litigation, Civil Division,
    UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, Washington, D.C., for Respondent.
    QUATTLEBAUM, Circuit Judge:
    An alien may seek to avoid deportation by showing a clear probability that, if
    deported, he will be persecuted because of his race, religion, nationality, political opinion
    or membership in a particular social group (“PSG”). Relevant here, if an alien claims he
    will be persecuted because of his membership in a PSG, that PSG must be “particular.”
    Juan Carlos Amaya, a citizen of El Salvador, seeks to avoid deportation to that
    country, fearing persecution on account of membership in the PSG “former Salvadoran
    MS-13 members.” 1 Appellant’s Br. at 13–16. For that reason, he argued to an immigration
    judge (“IJ”) that his removal from the United States should be withheld. 2 After the IJ denied
    Amaya’s claims, he appealed to the Board of Immigration Appeals (“BIA”). The BIA
    dismissed Amaya’s appeal, determining that the “former Salvadoran MS-13 members”
    PSG was “too diffuse” to satisfy the particularity requirement. J.A. 4. Assuming we must
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    The parties dispute the precise delineation of the PSG that this Court should
    review. The government asserts it is “former gang members,” whereas Amaya asserts it is
    “former Salvadoran MS-13 members.” Compare Appellee’s Br. at 13 with Appellant’s Br.
    at 13–16. First, we find that Amaya properly raised the PSG “former Salvadoran MS-13
    members” in his brief before his immigration hearing, which the IJ admitted into the record.
    J.A. 75, 431, 436–38. Second, the IJ analyzed this PSG in her decision. Finally, Amaya did
    not waive review of this precisely delineated PSG by making more generic descriptive
    references in his brief before the BIA. Therefore, “former Salvadoran MS-13 members” is
    properly preserved for review here. Amaya also sought relief based on his membership in
    the PSG “[potential] testifying witness.” J.A. 121. Because Amaya never raised this PSG
    in his brief here, he waived review in this appeal. See Fed. R. App. P. 28(a)(8)(A); Karimi
    v. Holder, 
    715 F.3d 561
    , 565 n. 2 (4th Cir. 2013). Thus, we will only consider the PSG
    “former Salvadoran MS-13 members.”
    2
    Amaya also petitions for review of the BIA’s dismissal of his claim for protection
    under the Convention Against Torture (“CAT”).
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    afford Chevron deference to the BIA’s decision, our question is whether we think the BIA’s
    decision is reasonable. Because we do not, we grant the petition in part and remand on this
    ground.
    I.
    For context, we begin with a brief description of the law governing Amaya’s theory
    of relief—withholding of removal. “Consistent with our country’s obligations under
    international law, Congress has provided that a noncitizen may not be removed to a
    country” where he will be persecuted or tortured, regardless of the noncitizen’s eligibility
    for asylum. Guzman Chavez v. Hott, 
    940 F.3d 867
    , 869 (4th Cir. 2019).
    The withholding of removal statute provides relief from deportation if the noncitizen
    shows that his “life or freedom would be threatened . . . because of . . . race, religion,
    nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.” 
    8 U.S.C. § 1231
    (b)(3)(A). The noncitizen “must show a ‘clear probability of persecution’ on
    account of a protected ground.” Djadjou v. Holder, 
    662 F.3d 265
    , 272 (4th Cir. 2011)
    (quoting INS v. Stevic, 
    467 U.S. 407
    , 430 (1984)). This standard is more stringent than the
    asylum standard because once the noncitizen “establishes eligibility for withholding of
    removal, the grant is mandatory.” See Gandziami-Mickhou v. Gonzales, 
    445 F.3d 351
    ,
    353–54 (4th Cir. 2006). Although the statute does not define “particular social group,” the
    BIA has set forth three criteria: (1) immutability, (2) social distinction and (3) particularity.
    See Matter of M-E-V-G-, 
    26 I&N Dec. 227
    , 237 (BIA 2014). Particularity, which is the
    focus of this appeal, requires that a PSG has “discrete” and “definable boundaries—it must
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    not be amorphous, overbroad, diffuse, or subjective.” Id. at 239; accord Crespin-
    Valladares v. Holder, 
    632 F.3d 117
    , 125 (4th Cir. 2011).
    II.
    Turning now to the pertinent facts and procedural history, Juan Carlos Amaya, a
    thirty-seven-year-old native and citizen of El Salvador, comes before us with a reinstated
    removal order. Amaya first came to the United States in 2009 to escape the MS-13 gang,
    of which he claims he was formerly a member. The government removed Amaya to El
    Salvador in 2012 pursuant to an IJ’s removal order after Amaya was convicted of second-
    degree assault. Shortly thereafter the same year, Amaya re-entered the United States
    without inspection. In 2017, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (“ICE”) arrested
    Amaya at his home in Maryland. ICE reinstated Amaya’s 2012 removal order pursuant to
    
    8 U.S.C. § 1231
    (a)(5). Amaya expressed a fear of persecution and torture in El Salvador
    and was referred to an asylum officer for a “reasonable fear” determination.
    See 
    8 C.F.R. § 208.31
    (b). The asylum officer determined that Amaya possessed a
    reasonable fear of torture if removed to El Salvador and referred the case to an IJ for
    withholding proceedings. See 
    8 C.F.R. § 208.31
    (c), (e). There, Amaya sought withholding
    of removal based on his membership in the PSG “former Salvadoran MS-13 members.”
    J.A. 431, 436–38.
    At his immigration hearing, Amaya was the only witness to testify. He testified that
    gang members forced him to join the MS-13 gang in 2003 in El Salvador. Once he joined
    the gang, he paid them $25 weekly and attended meetings, but he did not commit any
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    crimes for them. He received MS-13 tattoos on his arm and chest, some of which he later
    covered. Amaya testified that he left the gang in 2004 after his daughter was born and is
    no longer a member. He told some other members who did not have leadership positions
    that he was leaving the gang. Soon after, gang members began threatening Amaya. They
    told him they would kill him if they got the chance, and, if he were to go to the police, they
    would kill his family.
    In 2005, Amaya testified that an MS-13 gang member shot Amaya in the foot. The
    shooter called Amaya a derogatory name referencing his former membership before
    shooting Amaya. That same day, Salvadoran police arrested the shooter. Amaya verified
    the identity of the shooter in custody for police. Shortly after Amaya left the hospital, two
    gang members threatened him at his home. They shoved a gun in his mouth and broke two
    of his teeth, threatening to kill him if he testified against the shooter. Because Amaya did
    not testify, the government released the shooter with a restraining order for Amaya’s
    protection. Gang members continued to threaten Amaya for leaving the gang after the
    shooter’s release.
    Amaya testified that in 2007, Salvadoran police arrested him for killing three of his
    soccer friends. The police told Amaya a protected witness had accused him. Amaya alleges
    the police wanted to find him guilty so that they could imprison him with MS-13 gang
    members who would kill him. The Salvadoran government detained Amaya for over a year
    awaiting trial. At trial, the protected witness testified that a police officer had ordered him
    to accuse Amaya, so the judge released Amaya. In the following year, Amaya claims that
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    gang members continued to threaten him and accuse him of betrayal. Amaya then fled to
    the United States.
    After the U.S. government deported Amaya in 2012 following his assault
    conviction, he remained in El Salvador for about a month. First, Amaya stayed with his
    brother, but, after a few days, gang members identified Amaya, which he claimed put his
    brother’s family at risk. Amaya then tried to stay with his sister and later his parents, but
    the same thing happened. After a childhood friend tipped Amaya off that gang members
    were planning to kill him, Amaya fled back to the United States.
    The IJ denied Amaya’s withholding claim and ordered him removed. The IJ found
    that Amaya was not a credible witness and that there was insufficient independent evidence
    to support his withholding claim. 3 In the alternative, the IJ held that the PSG “former
    Salvadoran MS-13 members” lacked particularity and social distinction. As to
    particularity, the IJ cited the BIA’s decision in Matter of W-G-R-, which rejected a similar
    PSG and guided that “former association . . . will often need to be further defined with
    respect to the duration or strength” of participation to qualify as a PSG. J.A. 65 (quoting
    Matter of W-G-R-, 
    26 I&N Dec. 208
    , 221–22 (BIA 2014)). The IJ noted that this Court had
    yet to reach the issue but also discussed the reasoning of the Ninth and Eleventh Circuits,
    both of which found W-G-R- reasonable. See Reyes v. Lynch, 
    842 F.3d 1125
     (9th Cir.
    3
    The IJ also denied Amaya’s claim for protection under CAT. The IJ held that
    notwithstanding the adverse credibility determination, the other evidence in the record did
    not demonstrate it was more likely than not Amaya would be tortured if removed to El
    Salvador. The IJ noted that police responded to Amaya when a gang member shot him and
    that Amaya’s year-long imprisonment did not constitute torture. On appeal, the BIA
    concluded there was no error in the IJ’s denial of the CAT claim.
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    2016); Gonzalez v. U.S. Attorney Gen., 
    820 F.3d 399
     (11th Cir. 2016). Turning to Amaya’s
    PSG, the IJ explained that it was too amorphous and thus lacked particularity. The IJ also
    held that Amaya’s PSG was not socially distinct because “it can be difficult for society to
    determine who belongs to the group.” J.A. 67.
    Amaya timely appealed the IJ’s decision to the BIA, challenging each aspect of the
    IJ’s decision. The BIA affirmed in a single-member decision, holding that even assuming
    Amaya were a credible witness, he did not show that he was a member of a cognizable
    PSG because his proposed PSG lacked particularity. The BIA endorsed the IJ’s analysis,
    concluding that the PSG is “too diffuse and thus lack[s] the requisite particularity.” J.A. 4.
    Because it disposed of the withholding claim solely on the particularity issue, the BIA did
    not address whether the PSG was socially distinct. Amaya timely petitioned this Court for
    review.
    III.
    At the outset, it is important to note what is not before us. Amaya challenges several
    aspects of his removal order and makes arguments relating to his PSG’s social distinction,
    alleged past persecution and persecution nexus. Appellant’s Br. at 8–13, 15–20. But even
    though we review the factual findings related to those decisions under the deferential
    substantial evidence standard, the BIA did not address any of those issues, and,
    accordingly, they are not part of the final order of removal. The Immigration and
    Nationality Act (“INA”) limits this Court’s jurisdiction to final orders of removal. 
    8 U.S.C. § 1252
    (a)(1). Thus, this Court may only reach issues decided by the BIA. See, e.g., Mulyani
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    v. Holder, 
    771 F.3d 190
    , 196 (4th Cir. 2014). We therefore lack jurisdiction to consider
    any of the other grounds on which the IJ denied relief. See 
    8 U.S.C. § 1252
    (a)(1). Since the
    BIA instead only considered the particularity requirement, the only issue before us with
    respect to Amaya’s withholding claim is the narrow question of whether the PSG “former
    Salvadoran MS-13 members” is sufficiently particular.
    A.
    Although the particularity requirement does not appear in the statute, the BIA set
    forth the requirement to ensure that a PSG has “definable boundaries” so that it is
    sufficiently clear who is in and out of the group. See Matter of M-E-V-G-, 26 I&N Dec. at
    239. In promulgating this requirement, the BIA explained that a PSG “must not be
    amorphous, overbroad, diffuse, or subjective.” Id. Thus, the purpose of the particularity
    requirement is “to avoid indeterminacy.” Zelaya v. Holder, 
    668 F.3d 159
    , 165 (4th Cir.
    2012). This Court has rejected proposed PSGs that share only “amorphous characteristics
    that neither provide an adequate benchmark for determining group membership . . . nor
    embody concrete traits that would readily identify a person as possessing those
    characteristics.” Lizama v. Holder, 
    629 F.3d 440
    , 447 (4th Cir. 2011) (holding that wealth,
    Americanization, opposition to gangs and criminal history were amorphous characteristics)
    (internal citation and quotation marks omitted). By contrast, we have approved of PSGs
    that are self-limiting. See Crespin-Valladares, 
    632 F.3d at 125
     (noting the self-limiting
    nature of a family unit).
    The parties disagree as to whether “former Salvadoran MS-13 members” satisfies
    the particularity requirement. The government asserts that the PSG is too indeterminate
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    because it is difficult to ascertain who exactly is a former gang member. It points to
    Amaya’s background as instructive—Amaya does not remember a moment when he
    officially left the gang, and he never told any gang leader that he was leaving. The
    government argues this scenario exemplifies why former gang membership is an
    amorphous description.
    Amaya’s position, by contrast, is that “former Salvadoran MS-13 members” is
    sufficiently particular because it refers to a discrete class of persons and has self-limiting
    components—it excludes all current members of MS-13, all non-Salvadorans, and anyone
    who has never been a member of MS-13. Amaya thus contends the PSG provides a clear
    benchmark for who is in the group, therefore satisfying the particularity requirement.
    B.
    Whether a PSG satisfies the particularity requirement is question of law, which we
    review de novo. See, e.g., Martinez v. Holder, 
    740 F.3d 902
    , 909 (4th Cir. 2014).
    Nonetheless, this Court gives Chevron deference to an agency’s statutory interpretations
    of vague terms. See Chevron, U.S.A., Inc. v. Natural Res. Def. Council, Inc., 
    467 U.S. 837
    ,
    842–43 (1984). Consistently, both this Court and the Supreme Court have held that we
    defer to the Executive Branch on matters of immigration, which involve “sensitive political
    functions that implicate questions of foreign relations.” Saintha v. Mukasey, 
    516 F.3d 243
    ,
    251 (4th Cir. 2008) (quoting INS v. Aguirre-Aguirre, 
    526 U.S. 415
    , 425 (1999)). And we
    have applied that deference to the statutory term at issue here—“particular social group.”
    Lizama, 
    629 F.3d at
    446–47 (applying Chevron deference to the BIA’s interpretation of
    “particular social group”).
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    In determining whether to apply Chevron deference here, however, we must
    consider several preliminary issues. First, the BIA’s opinion is a single-member decision.
    This Court affords Chevron deference when “an agency’s interpretation is rendered in the
    exercise of its authority to make rules carrying the force of law.” Martinez, 740 F.3d at 909
    (alterations adopted) (quoting A.T. Massey Coal Co. v. Barnhart, 
    472 F.3d 148
    , 166 (4th
    Cir. 2006)). The BIA only exercises its authority to make a rule carrying the force of law
    when it issues an opinion by a three-member panel or en banc. See 
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.1
    (g).
    If a single-member BIA opinion relies on a precedential panel decision, however, we still
    afford the underlying interpretation Chevron deference. Espinal-Andrades v. Holder, 
    777 F.3d 163
    , 167 (4th Cir. 2015). Although the BIA opinion below is a single-member opinion
    and thus does not constitute a precedential interpretation, it does rely on a precedential
    decision that addressed a materially indistinguishable PSG. See Matter of W-G-R-, 
    26 I&N Dec. 208
    , 221 (BIA 2014). Accordingly, the principles of Chevron deference would
    typically inform our de novo review.
    Second, however, the government never sought Chevron deference here until oral
    argument. Normally, we deem a non-jurisdictional argument not raised in one’s briefs
    either waived or forfeited. But this Court in Sierra Club v. United States Department of the
    Interior, suggested that standards of review cannot be waived and that Chevron deference
    is such a standard of review. Sierra Club, 
    899 F.3d 260
    , 286 (4th Cir. 2018). Thus, Sierra
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    Club seemingly implies that we should evaluate whether Chevron deference applies, and,
    if so, apply it, whether or not the parties raise the issue. 4
    Third, although it is established that appellate courts should afford the BIA Chevron
    deference to define vague statutory terms like “particular social group,” see Aguirre-
    Aguirre, 
    526 U.S. at 424
    , it is less clear we should afford the same deference to legal
    questions that arise from the application of the definitional requirements the BIA
    promulgated in defining “particular social group.” Specifically, while Chevron deference
    applies to the BIA’s articulation of the particularity requirement, we are less certain that it
    applies to case-by-case applications to that requirement, which is a step removed from
    4
    Courts and scholars continue to grapple with the circumstances in which Chevron
    deference can be forfeited or waived. See, e.g., Guedes v. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
    Firearms and Explosives, 
    920 F.3d 1
    , 21–23 (D.C. Cir. 2019) (holding that an agency
    cannot waive Chevron deference); SoundExchange, Inc. v. Copyright Royalty Bd., 
    904 F.3d 41
    , 54 (D.C. Cir. 2018) (holding that an agency cannot forfeit Chevron deference); Lubow
    v. U.S. Dep’t of State, 
    783 F.3d 877
    , 884 (D.C. Cir. 2015) (holding that a party challenging
    an agency’s interpretation could forfeit an objection to Chevron deference); Hydro Res.,
    Inc. v. EPA, 
    608 F.3d 1131
    , 1146 (10th Cir. 2010) (en banc) (holding that an agency can
    waive Chevron deference); Kikalos v. C.I.R., 
    190 F.3d 791
    , 796 (7th Cir. 1999) (holding
    that an objection to Chevron deference is waivable); Am. Auto. Mfrs. Ass’n v. Comm’r,
    Mass. Dep’t of Envtl. Prot., 
    31 F.3d 18
    , 25–26 (1st Cir. 1994) (same); James Durling & E.
    Garrett West, May Chevron Be Waived?, 71 Stan. L. Rev. Online 183, 185 (2019) (arguing
    that courts should not allow either private parties or the government to waive Chevron
    deference); Note, Waiving Chevron Deference, 
    132 Harv. L. Rev. 1520
    , 1526–27 (2019)
    (same). Most circuits have assumed that “Chevron deference is not jurisdictional” and
    therefore can be waived or forfeited. Neustar, Inc. v. FCC, 
    857 F.3d 886
    , 893–94 (D.C.
    Cir. 2017). But Sierra Club forecloses this logic by equating Chevron deference with a
    standard of review, which courts independently assess. Sierra Club, 899 F.3d at 286
    (“[P]arties ‘cannot waive the proper standard of review by failing to argue it.’ . . . We
    therefore must independently assure ourselves that any statutory interpretation . . . qualifies
    for Chevron review . . . .”). Although this Court may be in the minority on this legal
    question, as a panel we are bound to follow the precedent established in Sierra Club. In
    any case, we reach the same conclusion here even after affording Chevron deference to the
    BIA because we find its interpretation unreasonable.
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    filling in the gaps of the statute. See Reyes v. Lynch, 
    842 F.3d 1125
    , 1137 (9th Cir. 2016)
    (expressing uncertainty as to whether Chevron deference applied to the application of a
    PSG to the particularity requirement); cf. Amos v. Lynch, 
    790 F.3d 512
    , 519–20 (4th Cir.
    2015) (affording Chevron deference to the BIA’s ultimate case-specific holding without
    addressing the validity of the standard itself or the application to that standard).
    That is our situation here. The BIA, and the underlying IJ opinion which the BIA
    adopted, relied on Matter of W-G-R- in determining that Amaya’s PSG lacked particularity.
    In Matter of W-G-R-, the BIA considered whether a materially indistinguishable PSG from
    the one here—“former members of the Mara 18 gang in El Salvador who have renounced
    their gang membership”—met the BIA’s previously articulated three-part test for defining
    a PSG. Matter of W-G-R-, 26 I&N Dec. at 221–22. The BIA determined the group did not,
    concluding it was neither socially distinct nor particular. Regarding particularity, the BIA
    reasoned that the PSG was “too broad and subjective” because it “could include persons of
    any age, sex, or background.” Id. at 221. Because it was “not limited to those who have
    had a meaningful involvement with the gang,” the boundaries of the group were “not
    adequately defined.” Id. at 221. The BIA explained:
    For example, it could include a person who joined the gang many years ago
    at a young age but disavowed his membership shortly after initiation without
    having engaged in any criminal or other gang-related activities; it could also
    include a long-term, hardened gang member with an extensive criminal
    record who only recently left the gang. It is doubtful that someone in the
    former category would consider himself, or be considered by others, as a
    “former gang member” or could be said to have any but the most peripheral
    connection to someone in the latter category. Even if some in the former
    category might consider themselves “former gang members” in a general
    sense, this does not mean that they would perceive themselves as part of a
    discrete group within society or be so perceived. The boundaries of a group
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    are not sufficiently definable unless the members of society generally agree
    on who is included in the group, and evidence that the social group proposed
    by the respondent is recognized within the society is lacking in this case.
    Id. The BIA offered guidance, in dicta, that former association with a group will “often
    need to be further defined with respect to the duration or strength of the members’ active
    participation in the activity and the recency of their active participation if it is to qualify as
    a particular social group . . . .” Id. at 222.
    Thus, here, the BIA did not rely on Matter of W-G-R- to interpret the term
    “particular social group.” It relied on that decision to apply the particularity requirement to
    “former Salvadoran MS-13 members.” Although this seems to present an extension of
    Chevron deference beyond defining ambiguous statutory provisions, we need not
    determine whether such deference is necessary because, even if it is, we reach the same
    conclusion. Under Chevron, we must examine whether the BIA’s actions, including
    decisions interpreting statutory provisions on a case-by-case basis, are reasonable. Aguirre-
    Aguirre, 
    526 U.S. at 426
    . As described below, the BIA’s interpretation here was
    unreasonable. Therefore, we will assume Chevron deference applies in our analysis
    because it does not change our conclusion.
    C.
    Assuming Chevron deference applies, our question is whether the BIA’s
    particularity holding in W-G-R- was reasonable. See Chevron, 
    467 U.S. at
    843–44;
    Aguirre-Aguirre, 
    526 U.S. at 426
    . An interpretation is unreasonable under Chevron
    deference if it is “arbitrary, capricious, or manifestly contrary to the statute.” Chevron, 
    467 U.S. at 844
    . As evidenced by the word “or,” this standard requires us to evaluate the
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    reasonableness of an agency’s decision in two distinct ways. 
    Id.
     In reverse order, one is
    whether the decision is “manifestly contrary to the statute.” 
    Id.
     Under that test, the BIA’s
    decision is reasonable. Interpreting “particular social group” to exclude “former
    Salvadoran MS-13 members” is not “manifestly contrary” to 
    8 U.S.C. § 1231
    (b)(3)(A). 
    Id.
    But under the antecedent requirement set forth in Chevron, which the Supreme
    Court consolidated in United States v. Mead Corp. and has consistently reiterated, an
    agency decision, even if not manifestly contrary to the statute, is still unreasonable if it is
    “arbitrary or capricious in substance.” United States v. Mead Corp., 
    533 U.S. 218
    , 227
    (2001); accord Judulang v. Holder, 
    565 U.S. 42
    , 52 n.7 (2011) (“[U]nder Chevron step
    two, we ask whether an agency interpretation is ‘arbitrary and capricious in substance.’”
    (quoting Mayo Found. for Med. Ed. & Research v. United States, 
    562 U.S. 44
    , 53 (2011)));
    Schafer v. Astrue, 
    641 F.3d 49
    , 61 (4th Cir. 2011). That is what we have here. For the
    reasons set forth below, the BIA’s interpretation was unreasonable. 5
    5
    While the PSG in W-G-R- is similar to the one Amaya advances, there is an
    important difference. There, the PSG was “former members of the Mara 18 gang in El
    Salvador who have renounced their gang membership.” Matter of W-G-R-, 26 I&N Dec. at
    209. Amaya’s alleged PSG—former Salvadoran MS-13 members—lacks that qualifying
    phrase. The ways in which one might renounce membership in a gang could vary widely.
    For example, one might quietly stop associating with the gang. On the other end of the
    spectrum, one might publicly condemn the gang. Those differences might make the PSG
    in W-G-R- too amorphous to be particular. But that difference is not relevant to our inquiry
    because, curiously, the BIA in W-G-R- did not address the “who have renounced their gang
    membership” language. Instead, it focused on the variations in duration and strength of
    gang membership.
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    1.
    First, the BIA’s description of the particularity requirement in W-G-R-
    impermissibly conflates it with the social distinction requirement. “[T]he particularity
    requirement flows quite naturally from the language of the statute” and is necessary to
    ensure there is a “clear benchmark for determining who falls within the group.” Matter of
    W-G-R-, 26 I&N Dec. at 213–14 (internal citation omitted). As such, particularity is a
    definitional question—an inquiry meant to ensure there is an “adequate benchmark” for
    setting the boundaries of the group. Lizama, 
    629 F.3d at 447
    ; see also S.E.R.L. v. Attorney
    Gen. United States of Am., 
    894 F.3d 535
    , 553 (3d Cir. 2018) (“asking whether a reasonable
    person could look at the proposed definition of a social group and determine who falls
    within it” in order to determine whether a group is particular); Matter of M-E-V-G-, 26
    I&N Dec. at 239 (describing particularity as ensuring the group has “discrete” and
    “definable boundaries”); Matter of A-M-E- & J-G-U-, 
    24 I&N Dec. 69
    , 76 (BIA 2007)
    (holding that the terms “wealthy” and “affluent” are “too amorphous to provide an adequate
    benchmark for determining group membership”).
    Similarly, the social distinction requirement flows from the statute and is necessary
    to ensure that the PSG is “perceived as a group by society.” Matter of W-G-R-, 26 I&N
    Dec. at 216 (emphasis in original). Social distinction thus asks whether the “home society
    actually does recognize that group as being a ‘distinct’ and identifiable group.” S.E.R.L.,
    894 F.3d at 553.
    Critically, the requirements serve distinct purposes, and it is important to consider
    them separately and with integrity to their purposes. Matter of W-G-R-, 26 I&N Dec. at
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    214 (“[T]hey each emphasize different analytical aspects of a ‘particular social group,’ and
    it is necessary to address both elements to properly determine whether the group is
    cognizable under the Act.”). The BIA’s articulation of particularity in W-G-R-, however,
    fails to do this. More specifically, the BIA claims “there is some overlap” between the
    particularity and social distinction requirements because both “take account of the societal
    context specific to the claim for relief.” Matter of W-G-R-, 26 I&N Dec. at 214. In general,
    there is nothing unreasonable about overlap among legal elements or requirements. That
    happens all the time in the law. But what the BIA calls overlap is actually the incorporation
    of the social distinction requirement into the particularity requirement. According to the
    BIA, the particularity question is whether “the group can be described in sufficiently
    distinct terms that it ‘would be recognized, in the society in question, as a discrete class of
    persons.’” Id. (quoting Matter of S-E-G-, 24 I&N Dec. at 584). If that is true, the
    particularity inquiry requires an analysis into whether the PSG is an identifiable,
    recognized group from the perspective of the pertinent society. That inquiry, however, is
    essentially the same analysis the BIA requires for social distinction. This conflation of the
    particularity requirement with the social distinction requirement not only creates an
    analytical muddle but also renders the BIA’s third part of the PSG test—social
    distinction—surplusage.
    The BIA offers an example that illustrates this point. It explains that “landowners”
    in an underdeveloped society “could be sufficiently discrete” to satisfy particularity, but it
    “would be far too amorphous” in “Canada or the United States.” Matter of W-G-R-, 26
    I&N Dec. at 214–15. Owning land is no less clear a boundary for group membership in the
    16
    United States than in any other country. It may be a larger group than in other countries,
    but it is nonetheless easy to discern if someone is a landowner in the United States. 6 Of
    course, it may be true that landowners are not perceived as a distinct social group in the
    United States, unlike in some other countries. But this has nothing to do with particularity
    and everything to do with social distinction.
    2.
    Second, the BIA’s flawed particularity articulation informed its rejection of the PSG
    in W-G-R-. In the middle of its particularity analysis, the BIA explained that “evidence that
    the social group proposed by the respondent is recognized within the society is lacking in
    this case.” Id. at 221 (emphasis added). Again, that is the wrong question. Particularity is
    a definitional inquiry that, like immutability, by its very nature is a question of law. See
    Martinez, 740 F.3d at 909 (holding that the immutability requirement is a legal question
    not dependent on evidentiary determinations); see also S.E.R.L., 894 F.3d at 553 (holding
    that particularity requires “look[ing] at the proposed definition of a social group” to see if
    one can “determine who falls within it”). Its analysis involves a careful review of the
    proposed PSG’s language to evaluate whether its boundaries are clear. Put another way, is
    it evident from the group’s description who is in and who is not? As such, and in contrast
    6
    In this landowner example, the BIA actually seems concerned about the size of the
    group rather than the indeterminacy of “landowners.” But the size of the group has no
    bearing on the clarity of the group’s boundaries. Matter of W-G-R-, 26 I&N Dec. at 214–
    15; see Reyes, 842 F.3d at 1135 (“The BIA’s statement of the purpose and function of the
    ‘particularity’ requirement does not, on its face, impose a numerical limit on a proposed
    social group or disqualify groups that exceed specific breadth or size limitations.”).
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    to social distinction, it should not depend on “evidence” or society’s perceptions. See, e.g.,
    Pirir-Boc v. Holder, 
    750 F.3d 1077
    , 1084 (9th Cir. 2014) (holding that social distinction
    requires a case-by-case evidentiary inquiry). That is not to suggest that whether a social
    group is recognized within a society is unimportant. It is. But it is important to the social
    distinction analysis. It has no bearing on the particularity analysis, and it was legal error,
    and thus unreasonable, to consider it.
    3.
    Third, the BIA unreasonably grounded its rejection of the PSG in W-G-R- in part on
    the fact that it could further subdivide the group in any number of ways—by “age, sex, or
    background” or by level of “involvement with the gang.” Matter of W-G-R-, 26 I&N Dec.
    at 221. We fail to see how this reasoning provides clarity to the group’s boundaries, as it
    only points out that there are smaller parts to any whole. What matters is not whether the
    group can be subdivided based on some arbitrary characteristic but whether the group itself
    has clear boundaries.
    Here, the boundaries of Amaya’s proposed PSG—“former Salvadoran MS-13
    members”—are clear. On its face, “former Salvadoran MS-13 members” contains several
    self-limiting features that provide clear benchmarks for the boundaries of the group. First,
    the reference to a single notorious gang leaves no ambiguity as to how a “gang” might be
    defined. Second, the group only includes people of Salvadoran nationality, eliminating
    many people with MS-13 affiliation from other countries. Third, and most significantly,
    the group does not include those who never joined the MS-13 gang. All those self-limiting
    features baked into the definition of the group aid in its determinacy.
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    The government wants us to conclude that because there are gradations in gang
    involvement, the term “member” is amorphous. But that same argument could be made for
    any other particular social group and even the other statutorily listed grounds protected
    from persecution, which the BIA explained “are commonly defined” with enough
    “specificity” to be “particular.” Matter of W-G-R-, 26 I&N Dec. at 213. Consider, for
    example, a claim of persecution as a result of being Catholic. Catholics, of course, vary
    widely in the time they have been part of that faith as well as in their level of commitment
    and involvement. Those differences may make it difficult to establish the required nexus
    of persecution or even whether a petitioner is or is not Catholic. But they have nothing to
    do with particularity.
    The government similarly seeks to cast “former” as amorphous because there are
    varying ways one can become a former member of a group. Appellee’s Br. at 15–16
    (explaining how former gang membership could include “those who stopped participating
    in gang activities but never told anyone, those who told gang leaders they were leaving the
    gang, those who told a few fellow members they were leaving but then stopped
    participating, those who left the country or area and never told anyone they were leaving
    the gang, those who left abruptly, [and] those who gradually scaled back their activities
    . . .” (citing IJ order)). Indeed, there are many ways one can become a former member of a
    group, and those differences may be fatal to an argument that the alleged persecution was
    on account of membership in the PSG. But they are irrelevant to the particularity inquiry.
    Further specification of how one becomes a former member does not more clearly define
    the boundaries of the group; instead, it arbitrarily makes the group smaller. It is already
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    sufficiently clear who is a former member of a group—it is someone who (1) joined the
    group and (2) is no longer in the group. These terms stand in contrast to other terms this
    Court has held to be amorphous, like “wealth” and “opposition to gangs,” because the terms
    here provide objective goalposts delineating the boundaries to the group. Lizama, 
    629 F.3d at 447
    .
    Finally, the government argues the difficulty of applying this proposed PSG cuts
    against the clarity of the group’s boundaries. The government points to Amaya’s testimony
    that there was no specific moment he officially left the gang as illustrative of the group’s
    amorphousness. Appellee’s Br. at 16. But that issue goes to whether Amaya met his burden
    that he was actually in the PSG, not the PSG’s particularity. A group can be clearly defined
    and still have difficult applications, no differently than a clear rule can sometimes be
    difficult to apply. A difficult application does not turn a clear rule into a vague standard.
    Take tennis, for example. A tennis court has clear lines that indicate when a ball is in or
    out. Sometimes, however, it is hard to determine whether the ball landed inside or outside
    the line, either because it moved so quickly or the vantage point was subpar. The difficulty
    comes from an inability to see where the ball landed, not from an inability to see the line. 7
    7
    For decades, professional tennis matches had a chair umpire, with an ideal vantage
    point of the entire court, as well as several line judges, each assigned to make calls with
    respect to a single line on the court. Despite the clarity of the court’s boundaries, even these
    professional umpires sometimes made mistakes due to the blistering speeds players hit the
    ball. In the early 2000s, an instant-replay system, Hawk-Eye, was developed to track the
    trajectory of a tennis ball as it bounces on the court. Ten high-speed video cameras are
    mounted around the court, which compile within seconds an image of the precise location
    the ball bounces. After a series of mistaken line calls by umpires against Serena Williams
    in her 2004 U.S. Open quarterfinal match against Jennifer Capriati, tennis tournaments
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    Particularity is no different. Whether an applicant is a member of the group is a factual
    question for the fact-finder to determine on a case-by-case basis. That decision may
    sometimes be difficult based on the available evidence. But what matters for particularity
    is that there are clear lines delineating the boundaries of the group. Here there are.
    4.
    We are mindful that two of our sister circuits have determined that W-G-R- was
    reasonable, though we are unpersuaded by their reasoning to the extent it is relevant here.
    In our view, the Ninth Circuit in affirming W-G-R- incorrectly treated particularity as an
    evidentiary question rather than a legal question. See Reyes, 842 F.3d at 1137–38 (“The
    BIA’s application of the ‘particularity’ requirement . . . is reasonable in light of the absence
    of record evidence demonstrating that Salvadoran society recognizes the boundaries of a
    group comprised of former Mara 18 members who have renounced their membership,
    regardless of the length and recency of that membership.”) (emphasis added). Particularity
    is not an evidentiary question—it is a legal question to ensure group determinacy. This
    Court has always treated the particularity question as such, and we think that is the only
    reasonable characterization of the requirement. See Temu v. Holder, 
    740 F.3d 887
    , 895–96
    (4th Cir. 2014) (considering how “bipolar disorder” is a well-defined medical term with
    embraced the Hawk-Eye technology. See Chris Broussard, Williams Receives Apology, and
    Umpire’s Open is Over, N.Y. TIMES, Sept. 9, 2004. Today, roughly thirty percent of player
    challenges to umpire calls are reversed after reviewing the Hawk-Eye image. Even Hawk-
    Eye is not perfect, however—a 3.6 millimeter average error persists. See Ashley Fetters,
    How Instant Replays Changed Professional Tennis, THE ATLANTIC, Sept. 12, 2012. Like
    umpires in tennis, judges must sometimes make difficult determinations based on the
    evidence before them. Difficult applications, however, do not make the lines, or the rules,
    imprecise.
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    identifiable boundaries, as opposed to whether there was record evidence that Guatemalan
    society recognized the boundaries of those with the disorder). Framing the particularity
    inquiry as whether there is “record evidence demonstrating that Salvadoran society
    recognizes the boundaries of a group,” moreover, impermissibly blends the particularity
    inquiry with the social distinction inquiry. Reyes, 842 F.3d at 1137 (emphasis added).
    The Eleventh Circuit similarly held W-G-R- was reasonable, but we do not find its
    analysis relevant here. See Gonzalez v. U.S. Attorney Gen., 
    820 F.3d 399
    , 405–06 (11th
    Cir. 2016) (per curiam). In Gonzalez, the Eleventh Circuit was also deferring to Matter of
    E-A-G-, 
    24 I&N Dec. 591
     (BIA 2008), a case not relied upon here. In its analysis, the
    Eleventh Circuit defers to both W-G-R- and E-A-G- together and, in our view, does not
    meaningfully engage with W-G-R-’s particularity holding, instead “echo[ing]” the analysis
    in E-A-G-. Gonzalez, 820 F.3d at 405–06 (finding “more persuasive the First Circuit’s
    analysis in Cantarero v. Holder, 
    734 F.3d 82
     (1st Cir. 2013),” a case that pre-dated W-G-
    R- and analyzed E-A-G-). Therefore, we are not moved by either opinion.
    5.
    The dissent contends that we have not afforded the BIA appropriate deference. It
    insists the BIA’s statement that “evidence that the social group proposed by the respondent
    is recognized within the society is lacking in this case” refers to a second prong of a two-
    part particularity analysis. It claims that the BIA, in addressing particularity, looks first at
    whether the proposed group’s boundaries are sufficiently defined and then at whether the
    group has sufficient “intergroup similarity” to be discrete. Dis. Op. at 27. It then contends
    the BIA determined “former Salvadoran MS-13 gang members” failed the second prong.
    22
    To the dissent, this determination, even if perhaps not the best approach, was neither
    arbitrary nor capricious.
    There are two problems with this reasoning. First, the BIA has never articulated its
    particularity analysis in the way the dissent describes it. The BIA did use the concepts of
    defined boundaries and discreteness in W-G-R. But rather than articulating them as separate
    requirements, it used those words and concepts interchangeably without any analytical
    distinction. See Matter of W-G-R-, 26 I&N Dec. at 214 (“‘Particularity’ chiefly addresses
    the question of delineation . . . .”); Id. at 221 (“The group as defined lacks particularity
    because it is too diffuse, as well as being too broad and subjective. As described, the group
    could include persons of any age, sex, or background. . . . The boundaries of a group are
    not sufficiently definable unless the members of society generally agree on who is included
    in the group, and evidence that the social group proposed by the respondent is recognized
    within the society is lacking in this case. In this regard, the boundaries of the group . . . are
    not adequately defined. The group would need further specificity to meet the particularity
    requirement.”). If the BIA were in fact employing the analysis the dissent suggests, we
    should at least be able to determine from its opinion in W-G-R- under which supposed
    prong the PSG lacked particularity. But we cannot, because the BIA had not articulated the
    test the dissent describes. Instead, the BIA considered whether Salvadorans would view
    former MS-13 gang members as a discrete group to evaluate whether the definition of the
    group’s boundaries were clear enough. Respectfully, that does not make sense. Whether
    Salvadorans view former MS-13 gang members as a discrete group has nothing to do with
    the clarity of the group’s boundaries. In addition to not making sense, the BIA’s co-
    23
    mingling of how Salvadorans view the group with the definition of the group’s boundaries
    shows the BIA did not employ the test the dissent attributes to it.
    Second, even if the BIA were to adopt such a two-part test, it would necessarily
    transform particularity into an evidentiary question of how the society views the proposed
    group. That does not accomplish anything the social distinction requirement does not
    already account for, and it needlessly muddles an otherwise definitional inquiry with a fact-
    based evidentiary question. 8
    6.
    The BIA is afforded wide latitude in interpreting vague statutory terms like
    “particular social group.” See Lizama, 
    629 F.3d at
    446–47. Those interpretations must only
    be reasonable. 
    Id.
     Our decision today is not intended to hamstring the BIA in its case-by-
    case decision making process. But it was unreasonable for the BIA to reiterate its three-
    part test for a PSG and then apply its particularity requirement in a way that disregards and
    distorts its own test. See Mead, 
    533 U.S. at 227
    ; cf. Good Fortune Shipping SA v. Comm’r
    of Internal Revenue Serv., 
    897 F.3d 256
    , 263 (D.C. Cir. 2018) (holding that an agency must
    engage in a “sufficiently reasoned analysis” that shows awareness and good reasons for
    changing a position). There may be other legal problems with the proposed PSG of “former
    8
    The dissent claims that we have “streamlined and improved on the agency’s
    formulation of its own test.” Dis. Op. at 32. But, it is the dissent that unsuccessfully tries
    to “improve[] . . . the agency’s formulation” of particularity by making it a two-part test
    with separate clear-boundaries and discreteness requirements. 
    Id.
     The BIA has never
    described the particularity inquiry as the dissent does. And the dissent’s attempt to improve
    the particularity test only makes it “the same thing done over” by making particularity and
    social distinction “two ways of saying the same thing.” S.E.R.L., 894 F.3d at 553.
    24
    Salvadoran MS-13 members.” 9 But the only issue before us today is whether that PSG
    lacks particularity. In our view, the BIA’s finding that it does is unreasonable. Therefore,
    we grant this part of Amaya’s petition and remand the case to the BIA to address the other
    grounds of Amaya’s withholding claim. 10
    IV.
    We grant Amaya’s petition in part and remand the BIA’s final order of removal.
    The BIA’s determination that “former Salvadoran MS-13 members” lacks particularity is
    unreasonable, and we thus remand Amaya’s withholding claim for the BIA to consider the
    IJ’s other holdings with respect to that claim. But, because the record does not compel a
    different understanding of the evidence, we deny Amaya’s petition for review of his CAT
    claim. Accordingly, Amaya’s petition is
    GRANTED IN PART, DENIED IN PART AND REMANDED.
    9
    In addition, one may question the policy basis for providing relief because one
    chose to join a criminal gang and then withdraw from it. But that is an issue for Congress,
    not us. Congress expressly excluded certain groups from the protections afforded under the
    INA. See 
    8 U.S.C. §§ 1158
    (b)(2)(A), 1231(b)(3)(B). It did not categorically exclude former
    gang members. We, therefore, are constrained to evaluate whether former gang members
    qualify as a particular social group.
    10
    As to Amaya’s CAT claim, when reviewing the denial of such a claim, we review
    the agency’s findings of fact for substantial evidence and legal determinations de novo. See
    Rodriguez-Arias v. Whitaker, 
    915 F.3d 968
    , 972 (4th Cir. 2019). Not only does the record
    evidence fail to compel a contrary finding from the BIA, it instead amply supports the
    BIA’s conclusion. Therefore, we dismiss Amaya’s petition for review of the BIA’s denial
    of his CAT claim. INS v. Elias-Zacarias, 
    502 U.S. 478
    , 481 n.1 (1992) (“To reverse the
    BIA finding we must find that the evidence not only supports [the opposite] conclusion,
    but compels it . . . .”) (emphasis original).
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    RICHARDSON, Circuit Judge, dissenting:
    This case comes down to whether the agency was reasonable in deciding that
    “former Salvadoran MS-13 members” was not a “particular social group” under the
    Immigration and Nationality Act. See 
    8 U.S.C. § 1231
    (b)(3)(A); Chevron, U.S.A., Inc. v.
    Nat. Res. Def. Council, Inc., 
    467 U.S. 837
    , 843 (1984). As the majority rightly explains,
    our own precedent demands that parties cannot waive application of Chevron deference,
    as it is a standard of review. See Majority Op. 10–11 (citing Sierra Club v. U.S. Dep’t of
    the Interior, 
    899 F.3d 260
    , 286 (4th Cir. 2018)). And Chevron deference applies even
    when the agency “gives ambiguous statutory terms ‘concrete meaning through a process
    of case-by-case adjudication.’” INS v. Aguirre–Aguirre, 
    526 U.S. 415
    , 425 (1999) (quoting
    INS v. Cardoza–Fonseca, 
    480 U.S. 421
    , 448 (1987)). 1 So the question here is whether the
    agency reasonably determined that “former gang members” was too diffuse to be a social
    group with “particularity”? While the majority recites this standard, it then refuses to give
    the required deference to the agency’s chosen “concrete meaning” for what a “particular
    social group” is. Because I find that the agency could reasonably interpret the statutory
    language “particular social group” to reach that common-sense conclusion, I respectfully
    dissent.
    1
    Reasonable arguments exist for permitting agencies to waive Chevron deference,
    cf. Note, Waiving Chevron Deference, 132 HARV. L. REV. 1520, 1525–26 (2019), and for
    not applying Chevron deference to immigration adjudications, Shoba Sivaprasad Wadhia
    & Christopher J. Walker, The Case Against Chevron Deference in Immigration
    Adjudication, 70 Duke L.J. _(forthcoming 2021) (working copy available at
    https://ssrn.com/abstract=3662827). But, as our precedent stands, we must apply Chevron.
    26
    An alien may avoid removal when his life or freedom would be threatened in the
    country he is removed to because of his “race, religion, nationality, membership in a
    particular social group, or political opinion.” 
    8 U.S.C. § 1231
    (b)(3)(A) (emphasis added).
    Faced with ambiguity over what constitutes a “particular social group,” the Board of
    Immigration Appeals interpreted it to require that “the group is (1) composed of members
    who share a common immutable characteristic, (2) defined with particularity, and (3)
    socially distinct within the society in question.” Matter of M-E-V-G, 
    26 I. & N. Dec. 227
    ,
    237 (BIA 2014) (emphasis added).
    And the agency applies its “particularity” prong by asking two questions: (1) is the
    group “well-defined” by clear boundaries; and (2) is the group “discrete” in that those
    within the boundaries form a single coherent group. See Matter of W-G-R-, 
    26 I. & N. Dec. 208
    , 210, 214 (BIA 2014); see also Matter of M-E-V-G-, 26 I. & N. Dec. at 239 (to be
    particular a group “must not be amorphous, overbroad, diffuse, or subjective”). To answer
    the first question, we ask whether the definition of the group is linguistically certain in
    meaning and the boundaries of it are known. See In re A-M-E- & J-G-U-, 
    24 I. & N. Dec. 69
    , 75 (BIA 2007) (“The terms ‘wealthy’ and ‘affluent’ standing alone are too amorphous
    to provide an adequate benchmark for determining group membership.”). But the second
    part, the “discreteness” question, requires a judgment about intergroup similarity: Does
    the linguistic definition encompass a single group or multiple groups (e.g., adults v.
    professionals v. doctors v. surgeons)? See W-G-R-, 26 I. & N. Dec. at 214 (a particular
    27
    social group cannot be “overbroad” or “diffuse,” and should have some “limiting
    characteristic[s]”). 2
    Here, the agency determined that Amaya’s chosen group, “former Salvadoran MS-
    13 members,” was not sufficiently particular. J.A. 4. The agency relied on its second
    aspect of particularity:   discreteness.   In doing so, the agency found that Amaya’s
    “proposed social group[] [was] too diffuse and thus lack[ed] the requisite particularity to
    constitute [a] cognizable particular social group[].” J.A. 4.
    And because of Chevron deference, we ask only whether rejecting this proposed
    social group because it was not sufficiently discrete is a reasonable interpretation of the
    statute. That is, could one reasonably conclude that the statutory phrase “particular social
    group” requires that the group be adequately discrete? A “particular” group is “a single
    definite . . . set of things or persons, as distinguished from others.” 11 OXFORD ENGLISH
    DICTIONARY 270 (2d ed. 1989); see also WEBSTER’S NINTH NEW COLLEGIATE
    DICTIONARY 858 (1984) (“a specific subclass in logic falling under some general concept
    or term”). This suggests, if not requires, that the proposed group must be a single group
    with shared traits that distinguish that group from others. And as “particular” modifies
    “social,” it must be a social subclass, which indicates that there must be enough similarity
    to link this group together socially. But no matter if the statutory language mandates such
    2
    See also M-E-V-G-, 26 I. & N. Dec. at 239–40 (a group must be “sufficiently
    precise” and not “‘all encompassing’” (quoting Escobar v. Gonzales, 
    417 F.3d 363
    , 368
    (3d Cir. 2005)); cf. Matter of S-E-G-, 
    24 I. & N. Dec. 579
    , 584 (BIA 2008) (explaining that
    “the size of the proposed group may be an important factor in determining whether the
    group can be recognized”); Raffington v. INS, 
    340 F.3d 720
    , 723 (8th Cir. 2003) (explaining
    that a particular social group cannot be “too large [or] too diverse”).
    28
    a requirement, the agency’s reading that a “particular social group” must be discrete
    enough to be identified as a single group within a society, not a conglomeration of social
    groups, is at least reasonable.
    Two other circuits have agreed that the agency’s interpretation is reasonable, as the
    majority points out. See Majority Op. 21–22 (citing Gonzales v. U.S. Att’y Gen., 
    820 F.3d 399
     (11th Cir. 2016); Reyes v. Lynch, 
    842 F.3d 1125
     (9th Cir. 2016)). Further, even without
    the benefit of agency guidance, the Ninth Circuit interpreted “particular social group” to
    require a “cohesive, homogeneous group.” Sanchez-Trujillo v. INS, 
    801 F.2d 1571
    , 1576
    (9th Cir. 1986); cf. Bastanipour v. INS, 
    980 F.2d 1129
    , 1132 (7th Cir. 1992) (requiring that
    the group be “relatively homogenous”). So even accepting that the agency’s interpretation
    is not mandated as the only, or even best, reading of the statute, these decisions support
    finding the agency’s interpretation reasonable.
    And reasonable—not clearly right—is all we ask of the agency here: Could the
    agency reasonably conclude that a social group comprised of former gang members lacks
    the intergroup similarity to constitute a “discrete” group of persons? Former gang members
    may include individuals who were in the gang for only a short time, individuals who took
    leadership positions, individuals who were threatened upon their departure, individuals
    who aged out of the gang, and individuals who disassociated for religious reasons. See
    J.A. 67; see also J.A. 307 (describing the ways members can leave an El Salvadoran gang).
    All those individuals have a different experience, and it would be reasonable to conclude
    that an ordinary Salvadoran citizen may not consider them a “discrete” subclass of people.
    29
    Regardless of my own views, it seems at least reasonable for the agency to conclude that
    such a group lacked particularity. 3
    The majority also accuses the agency of allegedly “conflating” the particularity
    requirement with the social distinction requirement. Majority Op. 15. I cannot agree that
    what the agency did was so objectionable as to render it unreasonable. As the agency
    acknowledges, there is overlap in the two requirements. See W-G-R-, 26 I. & N. Dec. at
    214. Social distinction looks to whether the group would be “perceived as a group by
    society.”   Id. at 213 (emphasis in the original).       And, at least under the agency’s
    interpretation, particularity asks whether the group is “discrete” in the society at issue. Id.
    at 214. Thus, in determining whether a social group qualifies as a “particular social group,”
    the agency looks to the relevant society when evaluating the discreteness component of the
    particularity requirement and when evaluating the social distinction requirement. The
    majority, with no apparent legal support, finds this overlap impermissible and would
    require that these two requirements be wholly separate inquiries. While the majority might
    prefer that the two inquires not overlap, nothing about the overlap renders the agency’s
    preferred interpretation unreasonable.
    That the agency’s particularity and social distinction factors overlap does not make
    the factors unreasonable. The very nature of multi-factor tests virtually ensures that the
    3
    In this Circuit we have upheld a Board of Immigration Appeals decision that a
    similar social group lacked particularity. See Zelaya v. Holder, 
    668 F.3d 159
    , 166–67 (4th
    Cir. 2012) (affirming the decision that young Honduran males who refused to join gangs,
    notified the authorities, and had an identifiable tormentor within the gang lacked sufficient
    particularity to be a “particular social group”).
    30
    inquiries often overlap and consider similar evidence. That is particularly true where the
    multi-factor test derives from a single statutory phrase, as it does here with “particular
    social group.” And we do not find our own tests unreasonable just because several factors
    overlap.   See, e.g., United States v. McBride, 
    676 F.3d 385
    , 396 (4th Cir. 2012)
    (acknowledging that the first and second factors of a four-factor test for determining
    admissibility of prior “bad acts” evidence “embody overlapping concerns [and] are often
    considered in tandem”); Jones v. Virginia Oil Co., 69 F. App’x 633, 636, 638 (4th Cir.
    2003) (acknowledging that the factors of the “primary duty” test of the FLSA “overlap to
    a certain extent and are easily examined together”).
    Nor is the overlap as significant as the majority suggests. As discussed above, the
    particularity requirement has two parts: (1) the group must be defined with known
    boundaries, and (2) the group must be a “discrete” class of persons. See W-G-R-, 26 I. &
    N. Dec at 210 (quoting Matter of S-E-G-, 24 I. & N. Dec at 584). It is true that in answering
    the discreteness question, we look to whether the objectively reasonable person in society
    would understand the group to be discrete. Cf. Miller v. California, 
    413 U.S. 15
    , 24–25
    (1973) (considering community standards as part of an objective test for obscenity). But
    although they both look to that society, the discreteness question differs from the social-
    distinction inquiry. The “discreteness” question asks whether someone in that society
    would find the group to have sufficient shared intergroup characteristics to be considered
    a single social group, while the “distinction” inquiry asks whether the group is seen as
    somehow different from the rest of society. See W-G-R-, 26 I. & N. Dec. at 216–17. So,
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    although both focus on the society in which the individual lives, they are different inquiries,
    and thus it is not “unreasonable” for the agency to require both.
    Though a bit unclear, perhaps the majority’s error lies in how it tries to redefine
    “particularity.” The majority at times appears to acknowledge that particularity—at least
    as defined by the agency—has two parts: “The BIA did use the concepts of defined
    boundaries and discreteness in W-G-R.” Majority Op. 23. But while readily discerning
    these two concepts, the majority faults the agency for not being perfectly clear about it. So
    the majority decides to collapse the two concepts, limiting “particularity” to “definable
    boundaries” and leaving “discreteness” to be considered only as a part of the “social
    distinction” factor. See Majority Op. 17–18, 23–24. Although the agency could have
    considered discreteness when evaluating social distinction, it was not unreasonable to
    consider it to be part of the particularity inquiry. 4 The majority may well have streamlined
    and improved on the agency’s formulation of its own test. But that is not the role we play.
    The agency has determined that particularity has two parts, and while one of those parts
    4
    The group of “landowners” that the majority points to reflects how the agency’s
    and the majority’s tests diverge. Majority Op. 16–17. The agency explained that a group
    of all landowners may be far too diffuse to constitute a particular social group in the United
    States. W-G-R-, 26 I. & N. Dec. at 214–15. Under the agency’s test, therefore, it lacks
    particularity as it is not “discrete.” In other societies with restricted land ownership,
    however, it might be a sufficiently discrete group to constitute a particular social group.
    Id. But under the majority’s test, landowners satisfy the particularity standard regardless
    of location because we can identify who owns land and who does not.
    I also question the majority’s reliance on the group of “Catholics.” Majority Op.
    19. Under the agency’s interpretation, perhaps that group lacks the sufficient intergroup
    similarity to meet the particularity requirement. But that should not bother us. I do not
    purport to divine congressional intent, but it is perhaps precisely because Catholics may
    not constitute a “particular social group” that “religion” is specifically enumerated in 
    8 U.S.C. § 1231
    (b)(3)(A).
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    overlaps with social distinction, it remains its own inquiry. Perhaps the agency’s test is not
    the best multi-factor test that one could create to identify a “particularized social group.”
    But, at least to me and a few other judges, it seems a reasonable one. I respectfully dissent.
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