Randy Cole v. Michael Hunter ( 2015 )


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  •      Case: 14-10228   Document: 00513212484    Page: 1   Date Filed: 09/29/2015
    IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT
    United States Court of Appeals
    Fifth Circuit
    No. 14-10228                            FILED
    September 25, 2015
    Lyle W. Cayce
    RANDY COLE; KAREN COLE; RYAN COLE,                                      Clerk
    Plaintiffs-Appellees
    v.
    CARL CARSON,
    Defendant-Appellant
    ****************
    No. 15-10045
    RANDY COLE; KAREN COLE; RYAN COLE,
    Plaintiffs-Appellees
    v.
    MICHAEL HUNTER; MARTIN CASSIDY,
    Defendants-Appellants
    Appeals from the United States District Court
    for the Northern District of Texas
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    Before HIGGINBOTHAM, CLEMENT, and HIGGINSON, Circuit Judges.
    PATRICK E. HIGGINBOTHAM, Circuit Judge:
    Seventeen-year-old Ryan Cole was severely injured in an armed
    encounter with police. Ryan and his parents, Karen and Randy Cole (“the
    Coles”), brought suit against Officers Michael Hunter and Martin Cassidy,
    alleging that they violated Ryan’s Fourth Amendment right not to be
    subjected to excessive force. They also sued Officer Carl Carson, alleging
    Carson violated Ryan’s rights under the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments
    by lying and concealing evidence in order to protect Hunter and Cassidy; that
    he caused Ryan to be wrongfully charged with aggravated assault of a public
    servant. The district court denied Carson’s motion to dismiss and Hunter and
    Cassidy’s motion for summary judgment, rejecting the officers’ immunity
    defense at the motion stage of the case.
    We dismiss defendants’ appeal of the district court’s order refusing to
    grant summary judgment on the excessive force claim, and we affirm the
    district court’s refusal to dismiss the due process claim relating to fabrication
    of evidence. However, we conclude that the district court erred in allowing all
    other claims to proceed.
    I
    Seventeen-year-old Ryan Cole was a junior at Sachse High School. 1
    Ryan suffered from obsessive-compulsive disorder. The night before the
    shooting, he quarreled with his parents, and later took guns and ammunition
    from their gun safe. He visited his friend Eric Reed Jr. late that night
    1 One of the cases before us comes from a denial of summary judgment, and one from
    a denial of a motion to dismiss. They involve distinct standards of review and universes of
    relevant facts. For purposes of this summary, we describe the facts in broad strokes,
    turning to their detail as we address specific issues.
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    carrying weapons. The next morning, October 25, 2010, Ryan visited Eric
    again carrying two handguns: a revolver and a Springfield 9mm semi-
    automatic. At around 10:45 in the morning Ryan allowed Eric to take the
    revolver, and used Eric’s cellphone to ask his grandparents to pick him up at
    a nearby CVS.
    During the course of the morning, police were informed that Ryan was
    carrying at least one gun and acting aggressively, and they began looking for
    him. After Ryan left Eric’s house with his remaining handgun, he was seen
    by several officers and ordered to stop. He continued to walk away from the
    officers and placed the gun against his own head. He walked towards a set of
    train tracks separated by a narrow wooded area and grassy strip from
    Highway 78, a major road. The CVS where he was to meet his grandparents
    was located on the other side of the wooded area, across Highway 78.
    Three police officers—Hunter, Cassidy, and Carson—were attempting
    to locate Ryan on the other side of the wooded area, near Highway 78 and the
    CVS. Ryan crossed the wooded area and backed out of the woods near Officer
    Hunter, who was some distance from Officers Cassidy and Carson. The
    officers believed Ryan was unaware of them when he backed out, and
    remained quiet so as not to alert him. Then Ryan made some turning motion
    to his left. The officers say that he turned to face Officer Hunter and pointed
    his gun at him, while the Coles argue that he merely began to turn toward
    the CVS, still with his gun pointed at his own head. Whether any warning
    was given is disputed, but Officers Hunter and Cassidy opened fire, hitting
    Ryan twice. In addition, Ryan’s gun discharged, hitting his own head, and
    leaving stippling—gunpowder residue around the wound due to the gun being
    fired from less than thirty inches away.
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    Ryan fell, and the officers ceased firing. He was picked up by an
    ambulance and taken for treatment of his severe injuries. Over time, Ryan
    has made a significant recovery, but lives with profound disabilities. He has
    incurred extensive medical bills and continues to require care. After the
    shooting, the three officers had an opportunity to confer before making their
    statements to police investigators—statements which conveyed that Ryan
    was given a warning and that he pointed his gun at Officer Hunter prior to
    being shot. The Coles argue that these statements are lies contradicted by
    recordings and physical evidence.
    The officers’ statements resulted in Ryan being charged with
    aggravated assault on a public servant—a felony. As a result of the assault
    charge, Ryan was placed under house arrest. The assault charge was
    dismissed by the District Attorney on May 8, 2012, and Ryan received
    deferred adjudication for an unlawful carrying charge. The Coles incurred
    substantial legal fees in order to confront the aggravated assault charge,
    which they allege was concocted by the officers to justify the shooting.
    II
    The Coles brought suit in the Eastern District of Texas. The appellant
    officers 2 moved to transfer; answered, asserting absolute and qualified
    immunity defenses; and moved to dismiss or alternatively for the court to
    order a reply to their immunity defenses under Federal Rule of Civil
    Procedure 7(a). 3 After transfer to the Northern District of Texas, the district
    court ordered the Coles to notify it whether they would file additional
    2Along with other defendants.
    3 A procedure for employing Rule 7(a) to require a reply when a qualified immunity
    defense is pleaded with specificity was described in Schultea v. Wood, 
    47 F.3d 1427
    (5th Cir.
    1995).
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    documents in the form of a Rule 7(a) Reply or an amended Complaint.
    The Coles filed their First Amended Complaint which, as relevant here,
    includes § 1983 claims against Officers Cassidy and Hunter for excessive
    force and against all three officers for manufacturing and concealing evidence
    in order to get Ryan falsely charged with assault. The defendants moved to
    dismiss, with the appellant officers asserting absolute and qualified
    immunity defenses. The court then issued a Memorandum Opinion and
    Order denying the Motion to Dismiss with respect to the § 1983 claims based
    on both excessive force and conspiracy to conceal and manufacture evidence
    to bring a false charge. Officer Carson appealed that order with regard to the
    latter claim; Officers Cassidy and Hunter did not. The district court stayed
    the false charge claim as to Cassidy and Hunter pending the result of
    Carson’s appeal. We heard argument on that appeal.
    Meanwhile, the district court allowed limited discovery focused on
    Officers Cassidy and Hunter’s qualified immunity defense to the excessive
    force charge. Those two officers then moved for summary judgment on that
    charge, which the district court denied. Officers Cassidy and Hunter
    appealed, and we consolidated their appeal with Carson’s.
    III
    Following the chronology of the underlying events, we turn first to the
    excessive force claim. The district court denied Officers Cassidy and Hunter’s
    motion for summary judgment, finding they were not entitled to qualified
    immunity because, under the plaintiffs’ evidence, their use of force violated
    clearly established law.
    a. Qualified immunity inquiry at summary judgment
    The officers are protected “from liability for civil damages” by qualified
    immunity “insofar as their conduct does not violate clearly established
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    statutory or constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have
    known.” 4 Qualified immunity is an immunity from suit and thus should be
    resolved as early as possible. 5 At summary judgment, it is the plaintiff’s
    burden to rebut a claim of qualified immunity once the defendant has
    properly raised it in good faith. 6
    “District court orders denying summary judgment on the basis of
    qualified immunity are immediately appealable . . . when based on a
    conclusion of law.” 7 We may not review the district court’s determination that
    a genuine fact dispute exists, 8 but we are called to determine whether,
    resolving all fact disputes in the plaintiffs’ favor, the defendants are
    nonetheless entitled to qualified immunity as a matter of law. 9 Within the
    limited scope of our inquiry, review is de novo. 10 We must:
    engage in a two-pronged inquiry. The first asks whether the
    facts, “[t]aken in the light most favorable to the party asserting
    the injury . . . show the officer’s conduct violated a [federal] right .
    . . .” The second prong . . . asks whether the right in question was
    “clearly established” at the time of the violation. 11
    We may address either prong first. 12
    b. Fourth Amendment violation
    4 Pearson v. Callahan, 
    555 U.S. 223
    , 231 (2009) (citation omitted).
    5 
    Id. at 231-32.
           6 Salas v. Carpenter, 
    980 F.2d 299
    , 306 (5th Cir. 1992).
    7 Coleman v. Houston Indep. Sch. Dist., 
    113 F.3d 528
    , 531 (5th Cir. 1997).
    8 Good v. Curtis, 
    601 F.3d 393
    , 397 (5th Cir. 2010).
    9 
    Id. at 397-98;
    Wagner v. Bay City, 
    227 F.3d 316
    , 320 (5th Cir. 2000).
    10 
    Good, 601 F.3d at 398
    .
    11 Tolan v. Cotton, 
    134 S. Ct. 1861
    , 1865-66 (2014) (citations omitted); see also Trent
    v. Wade, 
    776 F.3d 368
    , 384 (5th Cir. 2015) (rejecting idea that the second prong should be
    further subdivided to ask whether the defendants’ actions were “objectively reasonable”).
    12 Morgan v. Swanson, 
    659 F.3d 359
    , 371 (5th Cir. 2011) (en banc) (citing 
    Pearson, 555 U.S. at 236
    ).
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    To show a violation of the Fourth Amendment’s prohibition against
    excessive force, the Coles must prove that “the force used was objectively
    unreasonable.” 13 In assessing the reasonableness of the force, we examine:
    the facts and circumstances of the particular case—the need for
    force determines how much force is constitutionally permissible.
    The court should consider “the severity of the crime at issue,
    whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to the safety of
    the officers or others, and whether he is actively resisting arrest
    or attempting to evade arrest by flight.” 14
    In deadly force cases, “the severity and immediacy of the threat of harm to
    officers or others are paramount to the reasonableness analysis.” 15
    Additionally, we bear in mind both that “[t]he intrusiveness of a seizure by
    means of deadly force is unmatched,” 16 and that the use of force “must be
    judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than
    with the 20/20 vision of hindsight.” 17
    Accepting the Coles’ best version of the evidence, as they must, Officers
    Cassidy and Hunter argue that shooting Ryan was not objectively
    unreasonable—that he presented an immediate threat of serious harm when
    they fired. 18 Accordingly, we recount the version of events most favorable to
    the Coles.
    13 Luna v. Mullenix, 
    773 F.3d 712
    , 719 (5th Cir. 2014) (citing Goodson v. City of
    Corpus Christi, 
    202 F.3d 730
    , 740 (5th Cir. 2000)). The officers do not dispute that the Coles
    have produced evidence of “(1) an injury; (2) which resulted directly from a use of force that
    was clearly excessive to the need.” 
    Luna, 773 F.3d at 719
    .
    14 Hogan v. Cunningham, 
    722 F.3d 725
    , 734 (5th Cir. 2013) (footnotes omitted).
    15 
    Luna, 773 F.3d at 719
    -20.
    16 Tennessee v. Garner, 
    471 U.S. 1
    , 9 (1985).
    17 Graham v. Connor, 
    490 U.S. 386
    , 396-97 (1989) (“The calculus of reasonableness
    must embody allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second
    judgments—in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving—about the
    amount of force that is necessary in a particular situation.”).
    18 Both the officers and the Coles focus on the reasonableness of the shooting as a
    whole, without any serious attempt to separate the analysis as to each officer.
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    Just before the shooting, Officer Hunter was in an exposed position
    between Highway 78 and the narrow wooded area separating it from the
    train tracks. He was looking for Ryan, expecting him to be nearby because of
    his own observations and a radio report that Ryan was on the railroad tracks
    near his position. Officer Cassidy was also between Highway 78 and the
    wooded area with Officer Carson, but was some distance away. Officer
    Hunter heard rustling in the woods near him, and signaled to the other
    officers that Ryan was there. Ryan then backed out of the woods with his gun
    to his own head, and his back to Officer Hunter. Both Officers Cassidy and
    Hunter believed Ryan was initially unaware of their presence, and stayed
    quiet so that he would not become aware of them. Ryan turned somewhat to
    his left, possibly in order to approach the CVS where his grandparents were
    waiting, and the officers opened fire without warning. Ryan turned further
    around as the officers continued firing, and his own gun, still pointed at his
    head and with his finger on the trigger, discharged involuntarily as a result
    of his being shot.
    At the time they fired, the officers were aware that Ryan had been
    walking around the neighborhood holding a gun to his head, and that he had
    not surrendered to other officers who came in contact with him. Ryan looked
    like a teenager, and Officer Cassidy was aware that he had recently broken
    up with his girlfriend, a student at Sachse High. Officer Hunter believed
    Ryan might be suicidal or might simply be using the threat to himself to
    evade officers. Both officers were aware that Ryan had brought guns to Eric
    Reed Jr.’s house, and Officer Cassidy knew that there had been a disturbance
    at the Cole house the night before. The officers were aware that Ryan had
    told Eric not to try to take his remaining gun, and that he did not “wanna use
    it on” him. This was the only threatening or aggressive action or speech
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    Officer Hunter was aware of Ryan making. The officers knew that they were
    firing in the vicinity of a busy road, across from shops and other populated
    buildings. They knew there were schools within walking distance, and that
    measures were taken to secure them and to protect Ryan’s ex-girlfriend.
    First, the relevant principles. It is clear that the “use of deadly force,
    absent a sufficiently substantial and immediate threat, violate[s] the Fourth
    Amendment.” 19 The threat must be “immediate”; 20 we consider the totality of
    the circumstances, 21 including relevant information known to the officers.
    The fact that a person has a gun and is behaving in a dangerous
    manner does not necessarily constitute an immediate and serious threat
    justifying use of deadly force. In unpublished but persuasive decisions, we
    have denied qualified immunity where a person, though undisputedly holding
    a gun to his own head, was complying with officers’ orders, 22 and where a
    person, reportedly armed and a suspect in a double-homicide, had ceased
    running and had his arms at his sides. 23 When we have found officers
    justified for shooting suicidal people who were armed with guns, we have
    19 
    Luna, 773 F.3d at 725
    . Our focus is not upon actual risk, but upon the question of
    whether the officer could have “reasonably believe[d] that the suspect pose[d] a threat of
    serious harm to the officer or to others.’” Harris v. Serpas, 
    745 F.3d 767
    , 773 (5th Cir. 2014)
    (quoting Rockwell v. Brown, 
    664 F.3d 985
    , 991 (5th Cir. 2011)).
    20 
    Luna, 773 F.3d at 725
    ; 
    Harris, 745 F.3d at 772
    ; Sanchez v. Fraley, 376 F. App’x
    449, 453 & n.1 (5th Cir. 2010) (unpublished) (“[I]t was clearly established well before [2007]
    that ‘deadly force violates the Fourth Amendment unless “the officer has probable cause to
    believe that the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm”’ . . . [which] must be
    ‘immediate.’” (citations omitted) (quoting Bazan ex rel. Bazan v. Hidalgo Cty., 
    246 F.3d 481
    ,
    488 (5th Cir. 2001), and Tennessee v. Garner, 
    471 U.S. 1
    , 11 (1985))); Reyes v. Bridgwater,
    362 F. App’x 403, 407-09 (5th Cir. 2010); Reese v. Anderson, 
    926 F.2d 494
    , 500 (5th Cir.
    1991).
    21 See Ramirez v. Knoulton, 
    542 F.3d 124
    , 129 (5th Cir. 2008); 
    Reese, 926 F.2d at 500
    .
    22 Graves v. Zachary, 277 F. App’x 344, 349 (5th Cir. 2008) (finding fact dispute over
    whether the victim was complying with officer’s orders at the time he was shot to be
    material, notwithstanding the fact that he was holding a gun to his own head); 
    id. at 348
    (“Merely having a gun in one’s hand does not mean per se that one is dangerous.”).
    23 Sanchez, 376 F. App’x at 451-52.
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    depended on the victim’s additional threatening “Manis” 24 acts and
    disobedience of police commands, which elevated the immediacy and severity
    of the danger. 25
    Our caselaw persuasively has held that the fact that a suicidal person
    who has a gun to his head, hence poses some deadly risk to officers and
    others, does not always justify shooting him. 26 Just as there is no “open
    season on suspects fleeing in motor vehicles,” 27 despite the inherent risks of
    such flight, 28 there is no open season on suspects with guns. 29 Instead, “the
    real inquiry is whether the fleeing suspect posed such a threat that the use of
    deadly force was justifiable.” 30 “[T]he threat must be sufficiently imminent at
    the moment of the shooting to justify deadly force.” 31
    We conclude that the facts that Ryan was holding a gun to his head,
    that the officers believed he had made some threat to use it against a peer,
    and that the officers knew Ryan was attempting to evade officers, could not
    24  See discussion below at notes 34-40.
    25   See, e.g., Royal v. Spragins, 575 F. App’x 300, 301, 303-04 (5th Cir. 2014)
    (emphasizing that suicidal victim ignored warning to drop his gun and pointed it at the
    officers); Rice v. ReliaStar Life Ins. Co., 
    770 F.3d 1122
    , 1134-35 (5th Cir. 2014)
    (emphasizing that the suicidal victim fired gun, ignored warnings to put it down, and
    moved towards officers with it); 
    Ramirez, 542 F.3d at 127
    , 131 (emphasizing that suicidal
    victim with gun ignored officer’s commands, got out of his car, and “brought his hands
    together in front of his waist” “as if to grip the handgun with both hands in preparation to
    aim it at the officers”); see also City of San Francisco v. Sheehan, 
    135 S. Ct. 1765
    , 1770,
    1775 (2015) (addressing shooting of woman with knife who threatened officers and, despite
    warnings and then pepper spray, “kept coming at the officers until she was ‘only a few feet
    from a cornered Officer Holder.’ At this point, the use of potentially deadly force was
    justified.”).
    26 See, e.g., Graves, 277 F. App’x at 349.
    27 Lytle v. Bexar Cty., 
    560 F.3d 404
    , 414-15 (5th Cir. 2009).
    28 
    Id. at 415
    (“Nearly any suspect fleeing in a motor vehicle poses some threat of
    harm to the public.”).
    29 See Graves, 277 F. App’x at 348 (“Merely having a gun in one’s hand does not
    mean per se that one is dangerous.”).
    30 
    Id. 31 Luna,
    773 F.3d at 723.
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    in the circumstances here justify the use of deadly force. 32 Though Ryan was
    approaching a busier area from which several witnesses observed the
    shooting, he was shot in a relatively open area with only the officers
    immediately present. 33 He was on foot and walking, not running, and he did
    not know Officers Hunter, Cassidy, and Carson were there.
    Indeed, the officers do not argue that they were justified in shooting
    Ryan by the above circumstances alone. Instead, they focus on the fact that
    Ryan, whose back was initially towards Officer Hunter, turned to his left
    immediately before they shot. They argue that if they had waited, Ryan could
    have continued turning until he was facing Officer Hunter, and shot him
    before they could react. According to the officers, if Ryan had been allowed to
    turn around and face Officer Hunter without being fired on, he would have
    “posed an immediate deadly threat.”
    The officers invoke cases in which we have found that a use of deadly
    force was justified expressly because the person, ignoring police warnings,
    made some threatening motion towards officers, or moved in a way
    reasonably interpretable as drawing an immediately dangerous weapon. 34
    32 The facts here contrast instructively with those in Ballard v. Burton, where we
    found that shooting was justified even if the suicidal victim did not point his gun directly at
    law enforcement officers just before he was shot because “during the course of the night’s
    events [he] refused to put down his rifle, discharged the rifle into the air several times
    while near officers, and pointed it in the general direction of law enforcement officers.” 
    444 F.3d 391
    , 402-03 (5th Cir. 2006).
    33 Indeed, only Officer Hunter was reported by the officers as being in immediate
    danger. Of course, officers may use deadly force to protect their own lives, but the relative
    openness and lack of immediate bystanders or chaotic conditions informs our
    understanding of the circumstances.
    34 See, e.g., 
    Rice, 770 F.3d at 1134-35
    (finding no constitutional violation where police
    warned and then shot a suicidal man who “was undisputedly approaching the officers with
    a loaded weapon which he had recently fired and which he refused to surrender”); Clayton
    v. Columbia Cas. Co., 547 F. App’x 645, 653 (5th Cir. 2013) (qualified immunity appropriate
    where “suspect with dangerous and violent propensities” “continued toward the Deputy,
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    The act justifying deadly force is sometimes called a Manis act. 35 We have
    found qualified immunity was inappropriate due to the absence of a Manis
    act, even when the victim had or was believed to have a gun. 36
    Turning to one’s left is not a threatening Manis act in these
    circumstances, particularly when the person does not even know the officers
    are there. 37 It is distinctly unlike raising a gun at officers or moving a gun up
    to waist-level and gripping as if preparing to fire. 38 The officers make much of
    our statement in Rice that “the material fact” was that the victim was “armed
    and moving toward the officers.” 39 But moving purposefully towards an
    officer who is ordering the person to stop, with a drawn and recently fired
    gun, 40 is much more threatening than having a gun to one’s own head, and
    turning without knowledge of the officer’s presence.
    ignoring his commands”); Elizondo v. Green, 
    671 F.3d 506
    , 510-11 (5th Cir. 2012) (finding it
    was not clearly unreasonable to shoot a person who “ignored repeated instructions to put
    down the knife he was holding” and “was hostile, armed with a knife, in close proximity to
    [the officer], and moving closer”); Manis v. Lawson, 
    585 F.3d 839
    , 844 (5th Cir. 2009)
    (finding no constitutional violation where victim ignored repeated police commands,
    “reached under the seat of his vehicle and then moved as if he had obtained the object he
    sought”); 
    id. (collecting cases);
    Ramirez, 542 F.3d at 131 
    (“The totality of Ramirez’s conduct
    could reasonably be interpreted as defiant and threatening. He repeatedly refused the
    officers’ commands and ultimately stood, armed, several yards from the officers. Ramirez
    brought his hands together in what we believe could reasonably be interpreted as a
    threatening gesture, as if to grip the handgun with both hands in preparation to aim it at
    the officers.”).
    35 See 
    Manis, 585 F.3d at 844
    .
    36 See Sanchez, 376 F. App’x at 451-52 (finding qualified immunity inappropriate in
    absence of Manis act where victim, who was a suspect in a double homicide and was
    reported to have a gun and to have “forcibly attempted to enter somebody’s house,” had
    ceased running and had his hands at his sides when shot); Graves, 277 F. App’x at 346 (“It
    is not disputed that [the victim] never verbally threatened [the officers], never pointed his
    gun at the officers, and did not even move aggressively.”).
    37 Recall that the officers themselves believed Ryan was not aware of their presence.
    38 See cases cited in note 34.
    39 
    Rice, 770 F.3d at 1135
    .
    40 
    Id. at 1134-35.
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    In sum, if the Coles’ version of the evidence is believed, it was not
    objectively reasonable to use deadly force against Ryan Cole when the
    teenager emerged on foot from the wooded area with a gun to his own head
    and turned to his left.
    c. Clearly established law
    Under the second prong of the qualified immunity analysis, we ask
    whether it was clearly established in October 2010 that using deadly force
    against a person in circumstances like those here was objectively
    unreasonable: 41
    A right is clearly established only if “the right’s contours were
    sufficiently definite that any reasonable official in the defendant’s
    shoes would have understood that he was violating it.” A case
    directly on point is not required; rather, “[t]he central concept is
    that of ‘fair warning’: The law can be clearly established despite
    notable factual distinctions between the precedents relied on and
    the cases then before the Court, so long as the prior decisions
    gave reasonable warning that the conduct then at issue violated
    constitutional rights.” 42
    In 2009, we held that “[i]t has long been clearly established that,
    absent any other justification for the use of force, it is unreasonable for a
    police officer to use deadly force against a fleeing felon who does not pose a
    sufficient threat of harm to the officer or others.” 43 In Luna v. Mullenix we
    extended that holding, finding that by March 2010, it was clearly established
    that shooting at a fleeing car whose driver had threatened to shoot pursuing
    41 See Saucier v. Katz, 
    533 U.S. 194
    , 200 (2001).
    42 
    Trent, 776 F.3d at 383
    (citations to Plumhoff v. Rickard, 
    134 S. Ct. 2012
    , 2023
    (2014), and Kinney v. Weaver, 
    367 F.3d 337
    , 350 (5th Cir. 2004) (en banc), removed); see also
    
    Sheehan, 135 S. Ct. at 1776
    (“Qualified immunity is no immunity at all if ‘clearly
    established’ law can simply be defined as the right to be free from unreasonable searches
    and seizures.”).
    43 
    Lytle, 560 F.3d at 417
    .
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    police officers was objectively unreasonable. 44 We also held that it was clearly
    established by March 2010 that the threat in question had to be “sufficiently
    substantial and immediate.” 45
    If anything, the foot pursuit of Ryan Cole presented a less severe and
    immediate threat than the chase in Luna. First, walking away on foot is less
    inherently dangerous than fleeing in a car. Second, though in Ryan’s case
    officers could see that he was pointing a gun at his own head, he never
    threatened officers with it; in Luna, the victim not only claimed to have a gun
    in the fleeing car, but explicitly threatened to shoot police officers. 46 In Luna,
    we emphasized that the shooting officer decided to shoot the car before it
    came into view—that he was not forced to make a “split-second judgment.” 47
    In this case, though the officers may not have decided to shoot ahead of time,
    they were expecting to encounter exactly what they found: Ryan walking
    with a gun to his head.
    By October 2010, we had also repeatedly analyzed the sufficiency of
    Manis acts to justify deadly force when the underlying circumstances might
    not otherwise justify it. 48 In short, by October 2010, reasonable officers were
    on notice that they could not lawfully use deadly force to stop a fleeing person
    who did not pose a severe and immediate risk to the officers or others, and
    they had many examples of the sorts of threatening actions which could
    
    44 773 F.3d at 725
    .
    45 
    Id. 46 Id.
    at 722. It turned out that he did not actually have a gun.
    47 
    Id. at 723-24.
           48 See, e.g., Sanchez, 376 F. App’x at 451-52; Reyes, 362 F. App’x at 407; 
    Manis, 585 F.3d at 844
    (collecting cases); Graves, 277 F. App’x at 346; 
    Ramirez, 542 F.3d at 127
    , 131;
    Mace v. City of Palestine, 
    333 F.3d 621
    , 624-25 (5th Cir. 2003).
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    justify deadly force. 49 Turning left while unaware of an officer’s presence is
    not among them.
    Under the Coles’ version of the facts, it was objectively unreasonable
    under clearly established law to shoot Ryan. As a result, the fact disputes
    identified by the district court—including the central issue of whether Ryan
    pointed his gun at Officer Hunter—are material, and we dismiss the appeal
    for lack of jurisdiction.
    IV
    We now turn to the claim that Officer Carson lied and concealed
    evidence in order to protect Officers Hunter and Cassidy after the shooting.
    The district court refused to dismiss the Coles’ claim that Officer Carson
    agreed and acted with others “to deprive Ryan Cole of various constitutional
    rights including, but not limited to, his right to remain free from malicious
    prosecution, wrongful conviction, and unlawful confinement.” The court
    located     the   source    of   the    rights     in   the   “Fourth     and     Fourteenth
    Amendment[s].” Officer Carson appeals, asserting qualified and absolute
    immunity defenses as he did below.
    49  The out-of-circuit cases cited by the officers do not lead to a different conclusion.
    They involve situations where the victim had been warned repeatedly yet moved a gun
    “very quickly” and pointed it at officers shortly before being shot, see Thomson v. Salt Lake
    Cty., 
    584 F.3d 1304
    , 1311 (10th Cir. 2009); where it was difficult for officers to see, and the
    victim ignored commands at the scene of the shooting and instead escalated matters by
    raising a gun to his head, see Garczynski v. Bradshaw, 
    573 F.3d 1158
    , 1162-63, (11th Cir.
    2009); where the victim fired a gun in a chaotic, crowded environment and then ignored an
    officer’s orders to stop, see Montoute v. Carr, 
    114 F.3d 181
    , 185 (11th Cir. 1997); and where
    the victim ignored the shooting officers’ commands and moved either his gun hand or his
    other hand in the vicinity of his gun just prior to being shot, see Thurman v. Hawkins, CIV.
    13-50-GFVT 2014, WL 4384387, at *1, 4 (E.D. Ky. Sept. 3, 2014). These cases are
    distinguishable from the facts before us, and in any event do not undermine this circuit’s
    clearly established law.
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    The denial of a motion to dismiss based on qualified immunity or a
    substantial claim of absolute immunity is immediately appealable to the
    extent it turns on legal questions. 50 We review de novo, 51 accepting “all well-
    pleaded facts as true and draw[ing] all reasonable inferences in favor of the
    nonmoving party.” 52 To avoid dismissal based on qualified immunity, the
    Coles had to allege (1) “a violation of a constitutional right” which (2) was
    “‘clearly established’ at the time of [Carson’s] alleged misconduct.” 53 The
    Coles had the burden of pleading “specific conduct and actions giving rise to a
    constitutional violation” to meet the defense. 54
    a. Allegations that Officer Carson fabricated evidence
    The Coles pled the following relevant facts in their First Amended
    Complaint (FAC) and the expert affidavits they attached to it. 55 First, Ryan
    was seen by several officers walking in public openly carrying a handgun,
    and at least one witness called police to report that he had a gun. The FAC
    alleges that when Ryan emerged from the wooded area, he was facing away
    from Officer Hunter, with the gun held to his own head. Without warning
    Ryan or identifying themselves, Officers Hunter and Cassidy opened fire.
    After the shooting, Officers Carson, Cassidy, and Hunter were “permitted to
    leave the scene for a considerable period of time without any supervision,”
    50  Mitchell v. Forsyth, 
    472 U.S. 511
    , 525, 530 (1985); Hous. Cmty. Hosp. v. Blue Cross
    & Blue Shield of Tex., Inc., 
    481 F.3d 265
    , 268-69 & n.11 (5th Cir. 2007).
    51 
    Morgan, 659 F.3d at 370
    (qualified immunity); Orellana v. Kyle, 
    65 F.3d 29
    , 33
    (5th Cir. 1995) (absolute immunity).
    52 
    Morgan, 659 F.3d at 370
    (footnote omitted).
    53 Pearson v. Callahan, 
    555 U.S. 223
    , 232 (2009); see also Hernandez v. United
    States, 
    785 F.3d 117
    , 120 (5th Cir. 2015) (en banc).
    54 Baker v. Putnal, 
    75 F.3d 190
    , 195 (5th Cir. 1996).
    55 Neither party argues that the facts alleged in the expert affidavits, which were
    attached to the FAC expressly to provide greater detail to meet the officers’ immunity
    defenses, are not properly considered. See Davoodi v. Austin Indep. Sch. Dist., 
    755 F.3d 307
    ,
    310 (5th Cir. 2014); Wilson v. Birnberg, 569 F. App’x 343, 344 n.1 (5th Cir. 2014).
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    giving them opportunity to confer. The Coles allege that the officers “formed
    and carried out an agreement . . . to hide and cover up . . . the true events” in
    order to justify the use of force and avoid consequences for killing Ryan, who
    they believed was likely to die. Their alleged aim was to “prosecute and
    arrest Ryan Cole for . . . an offense that each of them knew he did not
    commit.”
    The Coles allege that Officer Carson made false statements to
    investigators that Ryan aimed his gun at Officer Hunter and that Hunter
    warned him before shooting. The Coles allege that physical evidence,
    recordings, and expert opinions show these statements cannot be true. They
    allege that the false statements led “Garland police officers [to] file[] a case
    with the District Attorney’s office in Dallas County charging Ryan Cole with
    the felony offense of aggravated assault on a public servant.” Ryan was
    subsequently indicted by a grand jury for that offense, based again on the
    officers’ statements. “As a result of the fictitious charges . . . Ryan Cole was
    confined indefinitely under house arrest.” We are also told that “[o]n or about
    May 8, 2012, the Dallas County District Attorney’s office dismissed” the
    assault charge. “At or near the same time,” Ryan “pleaded no contest” and
    “received deferred adjudication for the charge of unlawfully carrying a
    weapon.” The Coles incurred substantial legal fees in order to confront the
    aggravated assault charge.
    We address the alleged constitutional violations in turn.
    b. Fourth Amendment violation
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    Pretrial use of fabricated evidence to secure a person’s arrest can
    violate the Fourth Amendment. 56 However, we have said that in order to
    make out a Fourth Amendment claim under either a “false arrest” or “illegal
    detention” theory, the relevant actors must not be aware of facts constituting
    probable cause to arrest or detain the person for any crime. 57 The Supreme
    Court has made it clear that this is the law as far as warrantless arrests are
    concerned. 58
    There is some suggestion that the standard may be different when a
    magistrate is deceived in order to obtain a warrant. 59 In such a case, the
    focus may not be on what facts officers were aware of, but on whether, once
    the false information is excised, the information presented to the magistrate
    could justify the arrest. 60 We need not decide the precise contours of these
    56  Castellano v. Fragozo, 
    352 F.3d 939
    , 959 (5th Cir. 2003) (en banc) (noting that, in
    contrast to misconduct occurring at trial, Castellano’s “arrest and pretrial detention” could
    support a Fourth Amendment claim).
    57 Whittington v. Maxwell, 455 F. App’x 450, 458-59 (5th Cir. 2011) (stating that
    “[w]ith regard to pretrial confinement, ‘[t]he sole issue [under the Fourth Amendment] is
    whether there is probable cause for detaining the arrested person pending further
    proceedings,’” and finding illegal detention claim could stand where there was a factual
    dispute over the existence of probable cause); O'Dwyer v. Nelson, 310 F. App’x 741, 745 (5th
    Cir. 2009) (“‘[T]o prevail in a § 1983 claim for false arrest,’ . . . [a]s applied to the qualified
    immunity inquiry, the plaintiff must show that the officers could not have reasonably
    believed that they had probable cause to arrest the plaintiff for any crime.” (citations
    omitted)).
    58 Devenpeck v. Alford, 
    543 U.S. 146
    , 153-54 (2004).
    59 See Hamilton v. Collett, 83 F. App’x 634, 637 (5th Cir. 2003) (“[T]he question is
    whether the allegedly false testimony was necessary to the Magistrate Judge's
    determination of probable case.”); see also Baldwin v. Placer Cty., 
    418 F.3d 966
    , 970 (9th
    Cir. 2005) (in search warrant case, finding that true information outside affidavit tainted
    by lies could not be used to sustain warrant).
    60 See Hamilton, 83 F. App’x at 637. An arrest may be valid under the Fourth
    Amendment though the warrant was not if there was probable cause for a warrantless
    arrest. See Behrens v. Sharp, 
    15 F.3d 180
    , 
    1994 WL 24936
    , at *3-4 (5th Cir. 1994). We have
    said that the Fourth Amendment is not implicated by an arrest by an officer with probable
    cause, even when the offense is a misdemeanor occurring outside the officer’s presence.
    Fields v. City of S. Houston, 
    922 F.2d 1183
    , 1189 (5th Cir. 1991). However, this analysis
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    issues now, however, because the Coles’ First Amended Complaint fails to set
    out “specific conduct and actions” concerning Ryan’s seizure which can
    survive qualified immunity.
    In Texas, unlawful carrying consists of “intentionally, knowingly, or
    recklessly carr[ying] on or about [one’s] person a handgun” or other weapon
    when one is not on his own property or inside of or directly en route to his
    motor vehicle. 61 Based on the Coles’ pleadings, it appears that, during the
    entire period Ryan was under house arrest, there was known probable cause
    to arrest him for unlawful carrying of a weapon. Both the unlawful carry and
    aggravated assault charges were disposed of “at or near the same time,” after
    which Ryan was apparently no longer subject to house arrest.
    To the extent that the Coles seek to argue that the existence of known
    probable cause to arrest Ryan for unlawful carrying is not fatal to their
    Fourth Amendment claim, they have failed to allege specific conduct to meet
    Officer Carson’s qualified immunity defense. We are told only that Ryan was
    placed under house arrest “[a]s a result of [the] fictitious charges.”
    Given that the face of the FAC reveals the known existence of probable
    cause to arrest for unlawful carrying, and given the Coles’ failure to plead
    facts supporting a theory of Fourth Amendment violation despite that
    probable cause, the Coles have not pled a violation of clearly established law,
    and Officer Carson is entitled to qualified immunity. Put another way, the
    Coles have alleged that Ryan was placed under house arrest with probable
    cause. That is not a clearly established Fourth Amendment violation without
    may be affected if Ryan was at home when he was placed under house arrest. Harris v.
    Canulette, 
    997 F.2d 881
    , 
    1993 WL 261085
    , at *2 n.8 (5th Cir. 1993) (limiting Fields to
    arrests outside the home).
    61 Tex. Penal Code Ann. § 46.02.
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    something more, and the Coles have not alleged what that something more
    might be.
    c. Brady violation
    The Coles argue that Officer Carson also violated Ryan’s Fourteenth
    Amendment due process rights, due both to a Brady 62 violation, and more
    generally to his role in the filing of false charges. The Coles allege that
    Officer Carson committed a Brady violation in two ways: by lying to conceal
    his own knowledge that Ryan Cole never assaulted an officer, and by
    conspiring with other officers to conceal physical evidence also tending to
    exculpate Ryan. But prior to 2010, we had held that Brady is not implicated
    when there is no trial. 63 Ryan Cole was not tried for aggravated assault, nor
    did he plead guilty; the charge was dismissed. There is no suggestion that the
    aggravated assault charge was used as leverage to secure a plea on the
    unlawful carrying charge. It follows that Officer Carson was not on notice
    that withholding evidence in these circumstances could violate Brady, and he
    is entitled to qualified immunity for the alleged Brady violations.
    d. Due process violation – fabrication of evidence
    We turn now to the Coles’ claim that Officer Carson violated Ryan’s
    clearly established due process rights when he allegedly lied to investigators
    to secure a false charge of aggravated assault.
    We begin by recognizing that there is no “substantive right under the
    Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to be free from criminal
    62 Brady v. Maryland, 
    373 U.S. 83
    , 87 (1963) (holding that “suppression by the
    prosecution of evidence favorable to an accused upon request violates due process where the
    evidence is material either to guilt or to punishment”).
    63 United States v. Santa Cruz, 297 F. App’x 300, 301 (5th Cir. 2008); see also
    Matthew v. Johnson, 
    201 F.3d 353
    , 361-62 (5th Cir. 2000) (applying rule in Teague v. Lane,
    
    489 U.S. 288
    (1989), to bar Brady attack on state court conviction).
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    prosecution except upon probable cause.” 64 That much is clear from the
    Supreme Court’s fractured decision in Albright v. Oliver. In Albright, a
    plaintiff was wrongfully charged with selling a cocaine look-alike substance, a
    charge later dismissed. 65 The Court rejected his claim that the prosecution
    violated due process. We have held that Albright’s reach is limited; the case
    “did not speak to the Fourteenth Amendment beyond eschewing reliance
    upon substantive due process to create a requirement of probable cause to
    initiate a prosecution. . . .” 66 Moreover, “that portion of Albright that suggests
    that the Fourth Amendment applies to pretrial deprivations of liberty did not
    receive the support of a majority of the Justices.” 67
    Albright also differs in two important ways from the case at hand.
    First, although the defendant detective in Albright accepted the story of an
    unreliable informant and may have given “misleading” testimony, 68 there
    was no suggestion that he deliberately fabricated evidence. In contrast, the
    Coles allege that Officer Carson deliberately lied in order to get Ryan charged
    to cover an unlawful use of force. Several of our sister circuits have found this
    distinction pivotal in determining whether a due process violation is
    committed by the fabrication of evidence. 69
    Second, a majority of the Justices in Albright depended upon the
    potential availability of a Fourth Amendment recourse the plaintiff had
    64 Albright v. Oliver, 
    510 U.S. 266
    , 268 (1994) (plurality).
    65 
    Id. at 268-69.
           66 
    Castellano, 352 F.3d at 948
    .
    67 Brothers v. Klevenhagen, 
    28 F.3d 452
    , 456 n.3 (5th Cir. 1994).
    68 
    Albright, 510 U.S. at 277
    (opinion of Ginsburg, J.); 
    id. at 292-93
    (Stevens, J.,
    dissenting).
    69 See Moran v. Clarke, 
    296 F.3d 638
    , 647 (8th Cir. 2002) (en banc) (“Although the
    Fourth Amendment covers seizures . . . law enforcement’s intentional creation of damaging
    facts would not fall within its ambit.”); see also Kennedy v. Peele, 552 F. App’x 787, 792-93
    (10th Cir. 2014); Drumgold v. Callahan, 
    707 F.3d 28
    , 61-62 & n.27 (1st Cir. 2013).
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    rejected, 70 observing that Albright should have brought his claim under the
    Fourth Amendment. 71 In contrast, the Coles tried to make out a Fourth
    Amendment claim, but we have explained that it is unavailing due largely to
    the existence of probable cause on another count. Yet setting aside his time
    seized under house arrest, Ryan still was framed and charged with a felony,
    and subjected to attendant monetary and reputational injuries flowing from
    such a serious charge. Unlike Albright, who chose to invoke substantive due
    process rather than the Fourth Amendment, Ryan Cole has no other option.
    1.
    We built upon the uncertain foundation of Albright in our en banc
    decision in Castellano v. Fragozo. 72 Castellano held that the elements of a
    state malicious prosecution claim were neither sufficient nor independently
    necessary to state a claim under § 1983 where a state actor allegedly
    fabricated evidence to procure an arrest and conviction. 73 Rather, the
    particular constitutional violation alleged had to be identified with clarity: 74
    [C]ausing charges to be filed without probable cause will not
    without more violate the Constitution. . . . It is equally apparent
    that additional government acts that may attend the initiation of
    a criminal charge could give rise to claims of constitutional
    deprivation.
    The initiation of criminal charges without probable cause
    70 
    Albright, 510 U.S. at 271
    (plurality); 
    Id. at 277
    (opinion of Ginsburg, J.) (noting
    that “Albright deliberately subordinated invocation of the Fourth Amendment” as a
    “strategic decision); 
    id. at 289
    (opinion of Souter, J.).
    71 The Justices noted that all of Albright’s injuries could likely have been remedied
    via such a challenge. 
    Id. at 274
    (plurality); 
    id. at 276-77
    (opinion of Ginsburg, J.); 
    id. at 288-
    91 (opinion of Souter, J.) (noting “rule of reserving due process for otherwise homeless
    substantial claims”).
    72 
    352 F.3d 939
    .
    73 
    Id. at 953-54.
           74 
    Id. at 945.
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    may set in force events that run afoul of explicit constitutional
    protection—the Fourth Amendment if the accused is seized and
    arrested, for example, or other constitutionally secured rights if a
    case is further pursued. 75
    We ultimately found that a Fourth Amendment violation had been alleged
    with regard to Castellano’s pretrial seizure, and a Fourteenth Amendment
    due process violation was pled with regard to the knowing use of fabricated
    evidence and perjury at trial. 76
    While the due process violation in Castellano was tied to the “right to a
    fair trial,” 77 we rejected the idea that “the specific constitutional rights
    guiding a criminal trial spend their force in assuring a fair trial.” 78 Moreover,
    we later held in Boyd v. Driver that officials’ perjured testimony and
    tampering with video evidence constituted a due process violation even where
    the plaintiff was acquitted. 79 Thus even when a trial functions properly to
    vindicate a person’s innocence, the “manufacturing of evidence and knowing
    use of that evidence along with perjured testimony to obtain a wrongful
    conviction deprives a defendant of his long recognized right to a fair trial
    secured by the Due Process Clause.” 80
    We returned once more to Albright and Castellano in Cuadra v.
    Houston Independent School District. 81 There we considered a claim against a
    school district for manipulating evidence which led to charges against the
    75 
    Id. at 953.
           76 
    Id. at 953-55,
    960. Thus, as in Albright, Castellano did not address a situation
    where the Fourth Amendment provided no recourse.
    77 
    Id. at 942,
    957-58.
    78 
    Id. at 956.
           79 
    579 F.3d 513
    , 514-15 (5th Cir. 2009); see also Boyd v. Driver, 495 F. App’x 518, 523
    (5th Cir. 2012) (reiterating that the first Boyd case decided no conviction was necessary).
    80 
    Boyd, 579 F.3d at 515
    (quoting 
    Castellano, 352 F.3d at 942
    ).
    81 
    626 F.3d 808
    (5th Cir. 2010).
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    plaintiff, and stated that the “claims are based on alleged pretrial
    deprivations of [plaintiff’s] constitutional rights and, under the holding in
    Albright, such claims should be brought under the Fourth Amendment.” 82
    Citing Cuadra, we recently held in Bosarge that a person indicted and held
    for six months based on a mistaken identification had not stated a due
    process claim. 83 But neither Cuadra nor Bosarge involved deliberate
    fabrication of evidence to support false charges. Cuadra focused on a failure
    of certain school officials to turn over a key document; 84 and in Bosarge, we
    did not credit conclusory allegations that the misidentification was
    intentional. 85 Neither case answers the question of whether deliberate
    fabrication by law enforcement officers to justify a police shooting violates
    due process.
    In sum, we have held that a victim of intentional fabrication of
    evidence by officials is denied due process when he is either convicted or
    acquitted. We have never decided whether false charges must survive to the
    trial stage in order to implicate due process rights.
    2.
    Our sister circuits have taken varying approaches to fabrication of
    evidence and “malicious prosecution” claims in the wake of Albright. 86 That
    said, they largely either have held that charges based on fabricated evidence
    support a due process claim, or have not yet answered the question. Two
    82  
    Id. at 814.
          83  Bosarge v. Miss. Bureau of Narcotics, 14–60242, 
    2015 WL 4282372
    , at *5 (5th Cir.
    July 15, 2015). Bosarge also cited Castellano, which we have discussed, and Blackwell v.
    Barton, which involved a mistaken identification rather than intentional fabrication, and
    only a brief detention—no charges were brought. 
    34 F.3d 298
    , 300-01 (5th Cir. 1994).
    84 
    Cuadra, 626 F.3d at 811
    , 813-14.
    85 Bosarge, 
    2015 WL 4282372
    , at *6.
    86 See, e.g., 
    Castellano, 352 F.3d at 949-53
    (surveying the circuits’ “approaches to
    malicious prosecution claims”).
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    circuits have found that there is no due process claim in the absence of a
    conviction—a requirement we have not insisted upon.
    The Ninth Circuit held in Devereaux v. Abbey that “there is a clearly
    established constitutional due process right not to be subjected to criminal
    charges on the basis of false evidence that was deliberately fabricated by the
    government,” 87 a formulation we quoted approvingly in Good v. Curtis. 88 In
    Devereaux, the plaintiff alleged that investigators charged him with rape and
    molestation on the basis of statements they should have known were false. 89
    Though the charges were dropped in exchange for a guilty plea to two
    misdemeanors, 90 the Ninth Circuit reasoned that:
    Under Pyle v. Kansas, 
    317 U.S. 213
    , 216 (1942), the knowing use
    by the prosecution of perjured testimony in order to secure a
    criminal conviction violates the Constitution. While Pyle does not
    deal specifically with the bringing of criminal charges, as opposed
    to the securing of a conviction, we find that the wrongfulness of
    charging someone on the basis of deliberately fabricated evidence
    is sufficiently obvious, and Pyle is sufficiently analogous, that the
    right to be free from such charges is a constitutional right. 91
    In Ricciuti v. N.Y.C. Transit Authority, the police arrested a plaintiff
    with probable cause, but then allegedly fabricated a confession resulting in
    additional charges. 92 The Second Circuit denied qualified immunity for the
    fabrication despite the fact that the charges were dismissed without trial. 93
    The court held that “[w]hen a police officer creates false information likely to
    influence a jury’s decision and forwards that information to prosecutors, he
    87 
    263 F.3d 1070
    , 1074-75 (9th Cir. 2001) (en banc).
    
    88 601 F.3d at 398-99
    .
    
    89 263 F.3d at 1073
    .
    90 
    Id. 91 Id.
    at 1075 (citation shortened).
    92 
    124 F.3d 123
    , 126-27, 129 (2d Cir. 1997).
    93 
    Id. at 129-30
    (citing due process cases and principles).
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    violates the accused’s constitutional right to a fair trial, and the harm
    occasioned by such an unconscionable action is redressable in an action for
    damages under 42 U.S.C. § 1983.” 94 The Second Circuit has since recognized
    that the fabrication in Ricciuti deprived the plaintiffs of liberty in part
    because it “caused [them] to be charged with a more serious crime.” 95
    In Pierce v. Gilchrist, a plaintiff was arrested and convicted on the
    basis of falsified evidence created by an investigator. 96 Though not always
    distinguishing clearly between the plaintiff’s Fourth and Fourteenth
    Amendment claims, 97 the Tenth Circuit upheld the district court’s refusal to
    dismiss on qualified immunity grounds based on the use of false evidence to
    “induce prosecutors to initiate an unwarranted prosecution.” 98 The court
    explained that it saw no “reason to distinguish between falsifying evidence to
    facilitate a wrongful arrest and engaging in the same conduct several days
    later to induce prosecutors to initiate an unwarranted prosecution.” 99 Thus
    the fact that there was probable cause for the arrest was immaterial. In
    another “malicious prosecution” case ending in dismissal of criminal charges,
    the court explicitly rejected substantive and procedural due process claims 100
    94 
    Id. at 130.
           95 Jovanovic v. City of New York, 486 F. App’x 149, 152 (2d Cir. 2012). The circuit
    reiterated its holding in a later case which ended with a not-guilty verdict after “28 court
    appearances,” an apparent reference to the burdensomeness of defending against false
    charges. Jocks v. Tavernier, 
    316 F.3d 128
    , 133, 138 (2d Cir. 2003).
    96 
    359 F.3d 1279
    , 1281-82, 1284 (10th Cir. 2004).
    97 See 
    id. at 1296
    & n.11.
    98 
    Id. at 1296.
           99 
    Id. 100 Becker
    v. Kroll, 
    494 F.3d 904
    , 919-24 (10th Cir. 2007). The same month, the court
    considered, but rejected for other reasons, another Fourteenth Amendment claim where the
    charges ended in dismissal. See generally Novitsky v. City Of Aurora, 
    491 F.3d 1244
    (10th
    Cir. 2007).
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    footed on a failure to hand over certain exculpatory evidence. 101
    More recently, the Tenth Circuit has clarified its stance. In Klen v. City
    of Loveland, the court reversed a grant of summary judgment against a claim
    that various defendants fabricated evidence “thus facilitating” prosecution of
    a plaintiff who eventually pleaded no-contest. 102 There the court noted that
    “[u]se of an indictment based on perjured testimony to bring charges, for
    example, itself represents a denial of due process” despite the lack of a
    trial; 103 the “use of a perjured affidavit to defeat a defendant’s attempt to
    dismiss an indictment on grounds of selective prosecution” could also support
    a due process claim. 104
    The Eighth Circuit likewise found that a due process claim is stated
    where a police officer claimed that, though he was innocent of using excessive
    force against a victim, he was “set up,” prosecuted (and acquitted), and
    administratively charged “for patently arbitrary reasons.” 105 In Moran v.
    Clarke, the en banc court held that the substantive due process claim should
    not have been denied in a judgment as a matter of law because the officer
    presented evidence that he was intentionally set up, and there was damage to
    his professional reputation and evidence of improper consideration of his
    race. 106 Such actions could violate fundamental rights and “shock the
    conscience.” 107 The Eighth Circuit has since found that a substantive due
    process violation survived summary judgment in the absence of a trial where
    101  
    Becker, 494 F.3d at 924
    . The Tenth Circuit has also emphasized the importance of
    intentional fabrications. See Kennedy, 552 F. App’x at 792-93.
    102 
    661 F.3d 498
    , 515 (10th Cir. 2011).
    103 
    Id. at 516.
           104 
    Id. 105 Moran
    v. Clarke, 
    296 F.3d 638
    , 648 (8th Cir. 2002) (en banc).
    106 
    Id. at 644-45,
    647.
    107 
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    false evidence was used to cause plaintiffs to plead guilty, 108 and in a case
    where the charges were dropped without a plea. 109
    The Second, Eighth, Ninth, and Tenth Circuits have thus all found
    denials of due process when charges rest on fabricated evidence. The Seventh
    Circuit’s decisions appear to point the other way. The court has held that “a
    police officer does not violate an acquitted defendant’s due process rights
    when he fabricates evidence.” 110 Acquittal forecloses the claim. 111 In the
    Seventh Circuit’s view, the only liberty interest damaged in such cases
    “stems from [plaintiff’s] initial arrest” 112 and should be addressed under the
    Fourth Amendment; 113 being forced to defend oneself at trial is no
    deprivation of liberty. 114 The Seventh Circuit’s no-due process violation
    decisions have occurred in cases that either did not address the availability of
    a Fourth Amendment claim 115 or found that the claim had been purposefully
    abandoned, 116 and it has suggested a willingness to consider deprivations
    short of conviction and imprisonment if properly raised. 117
    The remaining circuits do not appear to have answered the question
    before us. The First Circuit has held that police officers violate due process
    when they fabricate evidence in order to get someone falsely convicted 118 or
    immediately punished with segregation within a jail. 119 The circuit has
    108 Winslow v. Smith, 
    696 F.3d 716
    , 735 (8th Cir. 2012).
    109 Livers v. Schenck, 
    700 F.3d 340
    , 343-44, 354-55 (8th Cir. 2012).
    110 Saunders-El v. Rohde, 
    778 F.3d 556
    , 560-61 (7th Cir. 2015).
    111 
    Id. at 560-61.
          112 
    Id. at 561
    (quoting Alexander v. McKinney, 
    692 F.3d 553
    , 557 (7th Cir. 2012)).
    113 
    Alexander, 692 F.3d at 557-58
    .
    114 
    Saunders-El, 778 F.3d at 561
    .
    115 
    Id. at 559-61.
          116 See 
    Alexander, 692 F.3d at 556
    .
    117 Serino v. Hensley, 
    735 F.3d 588
    , 594-95 (7th Cir. 2013).
    118 Limone v. Condon, 
    372 F.3d 39
    , 44-45 (1st Cir. 2004).
    119 Surprenant v. Rivas, 
    424 F.3d 5
    , 15 (1st Cir. 2005).
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    emphasized the importance of the specific intent to fabricate or use false
    evidence, 120 and explained in oft-quoted broad terms that:
    [S]ome truths are self-evident. This is one such: if any concept is
    fundamental to our American system of justice, it is that those
    charged with upholding the law are prohibited from deliberately
    fabricating evidence and framing individuals for crimes they did
    not commit. Actions taken in contravention of this prohibition
    necessarily violate due process (indeed, we are unsure what due
    process entails if not protection against deliberate framing under
    color of official sanction). 121
    Clear enough, but the circuit does not appear to have explicitly addressed
    whether false charges in the absence of a conviction or immediate
    punishment state a denial of due process.
    The Third Circuit considered a § 1983 claim that police fabricated
    evidence leading to charges and a wrongful conviction. 122 Though the court
    expressly did not answer “whether pre-trial detentions can implicate
    constitutional rights beyond the Fourth Amendment,” 123 it did state that
    “[w]hen falsified evidence is used as a basis to initiate the prosecution of a
    defendant, or is used to convict him, the defendant has been injured.” 124 The
    Sixth Circuit “recognize[s] a . . . claim of malicious prosecution under the
    Fourth Amendment, which encompasses wrongful investigation, prosecution,
    conviction, and incarceration,” 125 but it remains unclear whether a
    120  See 
    Drumgold, 707 F.3d at 61-62
    & n.27.
    121  
    Limone, 372 F.3d at 44-45
    (citation to 
    Devereaux, 263 F.3d at 1074-75
    , omitted);
    see also Halsey v. Pfeiffer, 
    750 F.3d 273
    , 296 (3d Cir. 2014) (quoting Limone); Whitlock v.
    Brueggemann, 
    682 F.3d 567
    , 581-82 (7th Cir. 2012) (same); Brown v. Miller, 
    519 F.3d 231
    ,
    237 (5th Cir. 2008) (same); Washington v. Wilmore, 
    407 F.3d 274
    , 285 (4th Cir. 2005)
    (same); Atkins v. County of Riverside, 151 F. App’x 501, 506 (9th Cir. 2005) (same).
    122 
    Halsey, 750 F.3d at 288-89
    .
    123 
    Id. at 293.
            124 
    Id. at 289.
            125 Sykes v. Anderson, 
    625 F.3d 294
    , 308 (6th Cir. 2010) (citation omitted).
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    substantive due process claim might lie in some circumstances. In Gregory v.
    City of Louisville, the court held that “the subset of malicious prosecution
    claims which allege continued detention without probable cause must be . . .
    analyzed under the Fourth Amendment,” 126 but expressly reserved the
    question of whether “malicious prosecution” claims based on liberty
    deprivations distinct from pretrial detention might state due process
    violations. 127
    The D.C. Circuit does not appear to have addressed the issue of
    whether a due process claim could lie when police fabricate evidence, though
    it has noted its view that Albright “held that malicious prosecution does not
    violate ‘substantive’ due process rights.” 128 The Eleventh Circuit has done
    likewise, 129 though noting the possibility that a procedural due process claim
    might lie. 130 The circuit recently recognized a due process claim where a
    plaintiff alleged that police officers shot, tasered, and beat him, and then
    fabricated a cover-up which resulted in two years of jail and an eventual
    acquittal on charges of aggravated assault on a law enforcement officer. 131
    3.
    126 
    444 F.3d 725
    , 750 (6th Cir. 2006).
    127  
    Id. at 748
    n.10. In a recent unpublished decision where plaintiffs alleged
    constitutional violations stemming from several search warrants and an indictment, the
    court held that the Fourth Amendment rather than substantive due process governed the
    claims “[t]o the extent that [they] involve a challenge to the warrant affidavit and the
    resulting searches, seizures, and prosecutions.” Meeks v. Larsen, 14-1381, 
    2015 WL 2056346
    , at *9 (6th Cir. May 5, 2015). Besides being non-precedential, this was not a case of
    intentional fabrication of evidence, as the court did not credit conclusory allegations that
    the indictment or warrants were based on “false and misleading information.” 
    Id. at *4
    (indictment); 
    id. at *6-7
    (warrants).
    128 Pitt v. D.C., 
    491 F.3d 494
    , 512 (D.C. Cir. 2007).
    129 Wood v. Kesler, 
    323 F.3d 872
    , 881 n.14 (11th Cir. 2003).
    130 U.S. Steel LLC, v. Tieco, Inc., 
    261 F.3d 1275
    , 1289 (11th Cir. 2001).
    131 Weiland v. Palm Beach Cty. Sheriff’s Off., 13-14396, 
    2015 WL 4098270
    , at *1-2, 9
    (11th Cir. July 8, 2015).
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    All the circuits that have squarely considered the question have either
    found that a due process violation may lie where state officers fabricate
    evidence to support false charges against a plaintiff, or have found no due
    process violation in the absence of a conviction, an approach we have
    expressly rejected. 132 We agree with those that have found a due process
    right not to have police deliberately fabricate evidence and use it to frame
    and bring false charges against a person.
    Executive action must shock the conscience in order to violate
    substantive due process. 133 We have said that:
    Conduct sufficient to shock the conscience for substantive due
    process purposes has been described in several different ways. It
    has been described as conduct that ‘violates the decencies of
    civilized conduct’; conduct that is ‘so brutal and offensive that it
    [does] not comport with traditional ideas of fair play and
    decency’; conduct that ‘interferes with rights implicit in the
    concept of ordered liberty’; and conduct that ‘is so egregious, so
    outrageous, that it may fairly be said to shock the contemporary
    conscience.’ 134
    Deliberate framing of a person by the state offends the most strongly held
    values of our nation. We echo again the apt words of the First Circuit that, “if
    any concept is fundamental to our American system of justice, it is that those
    charged with upholding the law are prohibited from deliberately fabricating
    evidence and framing individuals.” 135 As the Third Circuit has stated, “no
    sensible concept of ordered liberty is consistent with law enforcement cooking
    132 
    Boyd, 579 F.3d at 514
    .
    133 Doe ex rel. Magee v. Covington Cty. Sch. Dist. ex rel. Keys, 
    675 F.3d 849
    , 867 (5th
    Cir. 2012); see also Cty. of Sacramento v. Lewis, 
    523 U.S. 833
    , 846-47 (1998); 
    id. at 860-62
    (Scalia, J., concurring).
    134 Doe ex rel 
    Magee, 675 F.3d at 867
    (quoting 
    Lewis, 523 U.S. at 846-47
    & n.8).
    135 
    Limone, 372 F.3d at 44-45
    .
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    up its own evidence.” 136 Here, the framing was allegedly done in order to
    conceal and justify excessive force against one of the people our laws and
    systems are supposed to protect. The rule of law, which we have cherished
    since our founding, cannot abide such conduct.
    We agree with the Second Circuit that official framing of a person in
    these circumstances undermines the right to a fair trial. 137 Being framed and
    falsely charged brings inevitable damage to the person’s reputation,
    especially where, as here, the crime is a felony involving the threat of
    violence. 138 Alongside the reputational damage, 139 it requires the person
    framed to mount a defense, 140 and places him in the power of a court of law,
    where he may be required to appear. 141 Though these wrongs may be
    addressed through a Fourth Amendment challenge in many cases, 142 they do
    not disappear where there is no violation of that amendment. Instead, where
    there is no more specific constitutional protection available, the Fourteenth
    Amendment may offer protection. 143 It does so here, where the conduct is
    136  
    Halsey, 750 F.3d at 292-93
    .
    137  
    Ricciuti, 124 F.3d at 130
    ; see also 
    Boyd, 579 F.3d at 515
    (noting that the right to a
    fair trial is undermined by state fabrication of evidence even when defendant is acquitted).
    138 See 
    Albright, 510 U.S. at 278
    (opinion of Ginsburg, J.) (discussing the
    consequences of being charged with a serious offense); 
    id. at 289
    (opinion of Souter, J.).
    139 See 
    id. at 296
    n.9 (Stevens, J., dissenting) (noting that Paul v. Davis, 
    424 U.S. 693
    , 701 (1976), “recognized that liberty is infringed by governmental conduct that injures
    reputation in conjunction with other interests” and that “commencement of a criminal
    prosecution is certainly such conduct”).
    140 The Coles allege that they incurred “substantial legal fees and expenses for an
    attorney to defend Ryan Cole and to subsequently obtain the dismissal of the” aggravated
    assault on a public servant charge.
    141 See 
    Albright, 510 U.S. at 278
    (opinion of Ginsburg, J.); 
    id. at 289
    (opinion of
    Souter, J.).
    142 See 
    id. at 274
    (plurality); 
    id. at 276-77
    (opinion of Ginsburg, J.); 
    id. at 288-
    91
    (opinion of Souter, J.) (noting the “rule of reserving due process for otherwise homeless
    substantial claims”).
    143 See 
    id. at 273
    (plurality) (“Where a particular Amendment ‘provides an explicit
    textual source of constitutional protection’ against a particular sort of government behavior,
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    undoubtedly shocking to the conscience and no conceivable state interest
    justifies the deprivations imposed. 144
    The Fourteenth Amendment forbids what allegedly happened to Ryan
    Cole. Where police intentionally fabricate evidence and successfully get
    someone falsely charged with a felony as cover for their colleagues’ actions,
    and the Fourth Amendment is unavailing, there may be a due process
    violation. 145
    4.
    Having found that the Coles have alleged a due process violation, we
    must also decide whether the violation was clearly established in October
    2010. As the Supreme Court has explained, “the right to due process of law is
    quite clearly established by the Due Process Clause, and thus there is a sense
    in which any action that violates that Clause (no matter how unclear it may
    be that the particular action is a violation) violates a clearly established
    right.” 146 That is not the test, as it would “convert the rule of qualified
    immunity that our cases plainly establish into a rule of virtually unqualified
    liability.” 147 On the other hand, officials may be on notice that their conduct
    is unlawful even in “novel factual circumstances,” 148 though the courts have
    ‘that Amendment, not the more generalized notion of “substantive due process,” must be
    the guide for analyzing these claims.’”) (quoting Graham v. Connor, 
    490 U.S. 386
    , 395
    (1989)); see also Soldal v. Cook Cty., 
    506 U.S. 56
    , 70 (1992) (“Certain wrongs affect more
    than a single right and, accordingly, can implicate more than one of the Constitution’s
    commands.”).
    144 See 
    Moran, 296 F.3d at 643
    , 647-48.
    145 We also note that the district court in this case ruled that the Coles cannot seek a
    state law malicious prosecution remedy, and Officer Carson has not challenged that
    finding. See 
    Albright, 510 U.S. at 283-84
    (opinion of Kennedy, J.) (discussing the
    significance of adequate state post-deprivation remedies).
    146 Anderson v. Creighton, 
    483 U.S. 635
    , 639 (1987).
    147 
    Id. 148 Hope
    v. Pelzer, 
    536 U.S. 730
    , 741 (2002).
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    not had occasion to rule on “‘materially similar’ conduct.” 149 Indeed, “a
    general constitutional rule already identified in the decisional law may apply
    with obvious clarity to the specific conduct in question.” 150
    By 2010, no “reasonable law enforcement officer would have thought it
    permissible to frame somebody for a crime he or she did not commit.” 151
    Though the First Circuit was addressing official framing that led to
    conviction, and the state of the law in 1967, the principle applies with obvious
    clarity here. “To hold that police officers, having lawfully arrested a suspect,
    are then free to fabricate false [evidence] at will, would make a mockery of
    the notion that Americans enjoy the protection of due process of the law and
    fundamental justice.” 152 “[T]he wrongfulness of charging someone on the
    basis of deliberately fabricated evidence is sufficiently obvious,” 153 that in
    light of our due process violation holdings in Castellano and Boyd and the
    decisions of our sister circuits, 154 a reasonable officer in Officer Carson’s
    shoes would have known his conduct violated the Constitution. “[N]o
    reasonably competent police officer could believe otherwise.” 155
    5.
    149  
    Id. at 753
    (Thomas, J., dissenting); see also Safford Unified Sch. Dist. No. 1 v.
    Redding, 
    557 U.S. 364
    , 377-78 (2009).
    150 
    Hope, 536 U.S. at 741
    (quoting United States v. Lanier, 
    520 U.S. 259
    , 271 (1997));
    see also Brosseau v. Haugen, 
    543 U.S. 194
    , 199 (2004) (“Of course, in an obvious case, these
    standards can ‘clearly establish’ the answer, even without a body of relevant case law.”
    (citation omitted)).
    151 
    Limone, 372 F.3d at 50
    .
    152 
    Ricciuti, 124 F.3d at 130
    .
    153 
    Devereaux, 263 F.3d at 1075
    .
    154 To reiterate, the Second, Eighth, Ninth, and Tenth Circuits have found due
    process violations in similar circumstances. The D.C., First, Third, Sixth, and Eleventh
    Circuits have not answered the question, though some have spoken in broad terms about
    the right not to be framed. The Fourth and Seventh have found no due process violation in
    the absence of a conviction, but based on a theory (the need for conviction) we have rejected.
    155 
    Ricciuti, 124 F.3d at 130
    .
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    Finally, the Coles have pled “specific conduct and actions giving rise to
    a constitutional violation.” 156 We will not rehearse the pleadings in detail yet
    again. The Coles clearly allege that Officer Carson conspired with others and
    intentionally lied in order to cover for his colleagues, among other things
    telling investigators that Ryan turned and pointed his gun at the police. The
    Coles further allege that Officer Carson and other officers’ lies led directly to
    the decision to charge Ryan with aggravated assault. As we have explained,
    that is enough for us to determine that they have pled a clearly established
    constitutional violation.
    V
    Officer Carson claims absolute immunity for all of his alleged conduct
    under Rehburg v. Paulk, 157 where the Supreme Court found that all grand
    jury witnesses have:
    absolute immunity from any § 1983 claim based on the witness’
    testimony. In addition . . . this rule may not be circumvented by
    claiming that a grand jury witness conspired to present false
    testimony or by using evidence of the witness’ testimony to
    support any other § 1983 claim concerning the initiation or
    maintenance of a prosecution . . . In the vast majority of cases
    involving a claim against a grand jury witness, the witness and
    the prosecutor conducting the investigation engage in
    preparatory activity, such as a preliminary discussion in which
    the witness relates the substance of his intended testimony. We
    decline to endorse a rule of absolute immunity that is so easily
    frustrated. 158
    The Court recognized that absolute immunity does not “extend[] to all
    activity that a witness conducts outside of the grand jury room. For example,
    we have accorded only qualified immunity to law enforcement officials who
    156 
    Baker, 75 F.3d at 195
    ; 
    Schultea, 47 F.3d at 1433
    .
    157 
    132 S. Ct. 1497
    (2012).
    158 
    Id. at 1506-07.
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    falsify affidavits and fabricate evidence concerning an unsolved crime.” 159
    Under Rehburg, Officer Carson is immune for grand jury testimony,
    preparation for that testimony, and any conspiracy to falsely testify. He
    argues that all of his alleged conduct falls into those categories, but the First
    Amended Complaint goes further. The Coles allege that Officer Carson made
    false statements in the course of the initial investigation into the shooting,
    before a decision had been made by prosecutors to charge Ryan with
    aggravated assault. The FAC indicates that Carson intended these
    statements to influence the decision to bring charges against Ryan in the first
    place.
    An officer who lies to investigating officers in order to try to get
    someone charged with a crime—before the decision to charge has been
    made—is not entitled to absolute testimonial immunity. The Supreme Court
    has held that a prosecutor is not entitled to absolute immunity when she
    falsifies an affidavit supporting an arrest warrant. 160 Neither is a police
    officer who submits an affidavit for a warrant, leading to an arrest without
    probable cause. 161 Nor are prosecutors absolutely immune when they act
    alongside police officers to “solve” an unsolved crime by shopping for an
    unscrupulous expert. 162 Rehberg confirmed that these holdings are still good
    law. 163 We have likewise held that “non-testimonial pretrial actions, such as
    the fabrication of evidence, are not within the scope of absolute immunity
    159Id. at 1507 n.1 (citations omitted).
    160Kalina v. Fletcher, 
    522 U.S. 118
    , 129, 131 (1997).
    161 Malley v. Briggs, 
    475 U.S. 335
    , 344-45 (1986).
    162 Buckley v. Fitzsimmons, 
    509 U.S. 259
    , 275-76 (1993).
    163 
    Rehberg, 132 S. Ct. at 1507
    n.1 (listing each of the preceding three cases to
    illustrate that “absolute immunity [does not] extend[] to all activity that a witness conducts
    outside of the grand jury room”).
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    because they are not part of the trial.” 164
    The conduct here—lying to investigators—comes closer to possibly
    preparing for grand jury testimony than some of the conduct in earlier cases,
    but the timing and purpose of the statements matter. The Supreme Court
    and this court have emphasized that absolute immunity for prosecutors,
    witnesses, and others is based on a need to protect central judicial
    proceedings. 165 Thus conduct that occurs during investigation to discover
    probable cause and before the decision to charge has been made is not
    generally entitled to absolute immunity. 166 Some of the false statements in
    this case are alleged to have been this investigation-stage type of conduct.
    In these circumstances, lying to investigating officers is similar to
    164    
    Castellano, 352 F.3d at 958
    & n.107 (citing 
    Buckley, 509 U.S. at 275-76
    , and
    Spurlock v. Satterfield, 
    167 F.3d 995
    , 1003-04 (6th Cir. 1999), for the proposition that
    “[d]efendants cannot shield any pretrial investigative work with the aegis of absolute
    immunity merely because they later offered the fabricated evidence or testified at trial”).
    165 Briscoe v. LaHue, 
    460 U.S. 325
    , 334-35 (1983) (“The central focus of our analysis
    has been the nature of the judicial proceeding itself.”); 
    Kalina, 522 U.S. at 125
    , 128 (noting
    that immunity covers “activities . . . intimately associated with the judicial phase of the
    criminal process”); 
    Malley, 475 U.S. at 342-43
    (“We have interpreted § 1983 to give absolute
    immunity to functions ‘intimately associated with the judicial phase of the criminal process
    . . . .”); Keko v. Hingle, 
    318 F.3d 639
    , 643 (5th Cir. 2003) (“[A]n informal, ex parte probable
    cause hearing is not the type of judicial proceeding for which a witness’s testimony would
    require the full shield of absolute immunity. . . . We decline to extend absolute witness
    immunity into an arena where the Supreme Court has not found factual testimony to
    justify such heightened protection.”).
    166 
    Buckley, 509 U.S. at 273-74
    (“The prosecutors do not contend that they had
    probable cause to arrest petitioner or to initiate judicial proceedings . . . . Their mission at
    that time was entirely investigative . . . .”); Hoog-Watson v. Guadalupe Cty., 
    591 F.3d 431
    ,
    438 (5th Cir. 2009) (finding under functional approach, “prosecutorial immunity protects
    ‘the advocate’s role in evaluating evidence and interviewing witnesses as he prepares for
    trial,’ but not ‘the detective’s role in searching for the clues and corroboration that might
    give him probable cause to recommend that a suspect be arrested.’”); Beck v. Tex. State Bd.
    of Dental Exam’rs, 
    204 F.3d 629
    , 637 (5th Cir. 2000) (“[A]lthough a prosecutor is absolutely
    immune when she acts . . . as an advocate for the state by initiating and pursuing
    prosecution, or when her conduct is ‘intimately associated with the judicial phase of the
    criminal process,’ she does not enjoy absolute immunity for her acts of investigation . . . .”)
    (citations omitted).
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    falsifying a police report, which the Second Circuit recently held is not
    protected by testimonial immunity. The Second Circuit addressed how to
    apply Rehberg “when a § 1983 plaintiff alleges that the officer withheld and
    falsified evidence in addition to committing perjury before the grand jury.” 167
    It concluded that testimonial immunity does not bar § 1983 claims that can
    be made out without reference to the grand jury testimony or preparation for
    it. 168 As the court explained, “[t]he fact that [defendant’s] grand jury
    testimony paralleled information he gave in other contexts [such as police
    reports] does not mean that [the claim] was ‘based on’ [the] grand jury
    testimony. Rather it was based on [defendant’s] conduct that laid the
    groundwork for [the] indictment.” 169 So here; the fact that some of Officer
    Carson’s statements may have been presented to the grand jury can be
    excised from the complaint and the Coles still make out a case that Carson
    lied in order to ensure charges would be brought in the first place.
    A final wrinkle must be addressed. While we have said that plaintiffs
    must plead with specificity when absolute immunity is asserted, just as with
    qualified immunity, 170 the Supreme Court has held that “the official seeking
    absolute immunity bears the burden of showing that such immunity is
    justified for the function in question.” 171 Officials bear the “burden of
    167 Coggins v. Buonora, 
    776 F.3d 108
    , 112 (2d Cir. 2015).
    168 
    Id. at 113
    & n.7.
    169 
    Id. at 113
    .
    170 Truvia v. Julien, 187 F. App’x 346, 348 (5th Cir. 2006); Elliott v. Perez, 
    751 F.2d 1472
    , 1482 (5th Cir. 1985) abrogated on other grounds by Leatherman v. Tarrant Cty.
    Narcotics Intelligence & Coordination Unit, 
    507 U.S. 163
    (1993).
    171 Burns v. Reed, 
    500 U.S. 478
    , 486-87 (1991) (“The presumption is that qualified
    rather than absolute immunity is sufficient to protect government officials in the exercise of
    their duties. We have been ‘quite sparing’ in our recognition of absolute immunity, and
    have refused to extend it any ‘further than its justification would warrant.’”) (citation
    omitted); 
    Buckley, 509 U.S. at 269
    (quoting Burns); Antoine v. Byers & Anderson, Inc., 508
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    establishing that they were functioning” in an absolutely immune role. 172 The
    Court’s statements emphasize its reluctance to take absolute immunity too
    far, and contemplate the need for defendants to take an active role in
    claiming it. 173 Following these cases and our own precedent, we have held at
    the summary judgment stage that the burden stays with the defendant to
    establish his entitlement to absolute immunity. 174
    We need not decide whether a heightened pleading requirement applies
    at the motion to dismiss stage. We have already explained that the Coles pled
    “specific conduct and actions giving rise to a constitutional violation” insofar
    as they allege that Officer Carson fabricated evidence to get Ryan falsely
    U.S. 429, 432 (1993) (“The proponent of a claim to absolute immunity bears the burden of
    establishing the justification for such immunity.”).
    172 
    Buckley, 509 U.S. at 274
    (“The question, then, is whether the prosecutors have
    carried their burden of establishing that they were functioning as ‘advocates’ . . . .”).
    This goes for cases before the Court on motions to dismiss, summary judgment, and
    directed verdict. See 
    id. at 264
    (motion to dismiss); 
    Burns, 500 U.S. at 483
    (directed
    verdict); 
    Antoine, 508 U.S. at 431
    (summary judgment).
    173 
    Antoine, 508 U.S. at 432
    n.4 (“We have consistently ‘emphasized that the official
    seeking absolute immunity bears the burden of showing that such immunity is justified for
    the function in question. The presumption is that qualified rather than absolute immunity
    is sufficient to protect government officials in the exercise of their duties. We have been
    quite sparing in our recognition of absolute immunity . . . .’”); 
    Buckley, 509 U.S. at 274
    (“The
    question, then, is whether the prosecutors have carried their burden of establishing that
    they were functioning as ‘advocates’ . . . .”); 
    Malley, 475 U.S. at 339-341
    (noting that “[a]s
    the qualified immunity defense has evolved, it provides ample protection to all but the
    plainly incompetent or those who knowingly violate the law.”); see also Lampton v. Diaz,
    
    639 F.3d 223
    , 228 (5th Cir. 2011) (noting failure of proponent of immunity to point to a case
    extending it to his situation).
    174 
    Hoog-Watson, 591 F.3d at 437
    n.6 (“For summary judgment purposes, Buckley[,
    
    509 U.S. 259
    ], and Hart v. O’Brien, 
    127 F.3d 424
    (5th Cir. 1997) . . . hold that the defendant
    who pleads the affirmative defense of absolute prosecutorial immunity bears the burden of
    proving that the conduct at issue served a prosecutorial function . . . . In contrast, more
    recent Fifth Circuit decisions hold that after the defendant pleads the defense of
    prosecutorial immunity, the plaintiff bears the burden of introducing evidence sufficient to
    convince a reasonable factfinder that the defendant acted outside the scope of the
    immunity. Cousin v. Small, 
    325 F.3d 627
    , 632-33 (5th Cir. 2003); 
    Beck[, 204 F.3d at 633
    -
    64]. But because Hart came before Cousin and Beck, Hart controls.”).
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    charged. The Coles alleged that Officer Carson lied to investigating officers,
    telling them that Ryan turned around and pointed his gun at Officer Hunter
    prior to his being shot, and that Officer Hunter gave a warning before firing.
    They make it clear that some of these statements were made prior to the
    decision to charge, were intended to influence, and did influence that
    decision. Their pleadings are specific enough to meet any heightened
    pleading requirement.
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    We DISMISS the appeal by Officers Hunter and Cassidy for lack of
    jurisdiction. We AFFIRM the denial of Officer Carson’s motion to dismiss
    insofar as it relates to the Coles’ due process claim based on fabricated
    evidence and REVERSE the denial as to the Fourth Amendment and Brady
    claims. We REMAND for further proceedings.
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