Cimino v. Raymark Industries ( 1998 )


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  •                        REVISED, September 8, 1998
    IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT
    Nos. 93-4452 through 93-4611
    CLAUDE CIMINO, ET AL.,
    Plaintiffs-Appellees,
    Cross-Appellants,
    versus
    RAYMARK INDUSTRIES, INC., ET AL.,
    Defendants,
    PITTSBURGH CORNING CORPORATION and
    ASBESTOS CORPORATION LIMITED,
    Defendants-Appellants,
    Cross-Appellees.
    Appeals from the United States District Court for the
    Eastern District of Texas
    August 17, 1998
    Before REYNALDO GARZA, GARWOOD and DAVIS, Circuit Judges.
    GARWOOD, Circuit Judge:
    Before us are appeals and cross-appeals in personal injury and
    wrongful   death    damage   suits   against   several     manufacturers    of
    asbestos-containing     insulation        products   and    some    of   their
    suppliers,   the    district    court’s    jurisdiction     being   based   on
    diversity of citizenship and the governing substantive law being
    that of Texas.      This is the same set of cases addressed in In re
    Fibreboard, 
    893 F.2d 706
    (5th Cir. 1990), but the judgments now
    before       us    result    from    a    trial      plan   modified   following    that
    decision.1         Principally at issue on this appeal is the validity of
    that modified trial plan.
    The district court originally consolidated the some 3,031 such
    cases then pending in the Beaumont Division of the Eastern District
    of Texas for trial of certain common issues under Fed. R. Civ. P.
    42(a) and also certified a class action under Fed. R. Civ. P.
    23(b)(3), the class generally consisting of the insulation and
    construction workers, their survivors and household members, who
    were plaintiffs in those pending cases.                        As explained in more
    detail       below,    the     trial       plan      ultimately   implemented      after
    Fibreboard         consisted    of       three    phases,    generally   described    as
    follows.          Phase I comprised a complete jury trial of the entire
    individual cases of the ten class representatives and also a class-
    wide determination of issues of product defectiveness, warning, and
    punitive damages (including a multiplier as to each defendant).
    Phase II, which was to address exposure on a craft and job site
    basis, was dispensed with on the basis of a stipulation.                     In phase
    III, 160 different individual cases (“sample cases”), some from
    each of the five different allegedly asbestos-related diseases
    included in the entire group of underlying cases, were tried to two
    other juries to determine only each of those individual sample case
    1
    Of the district court’s several orders with reasons and
    opinions in these cases, two are published.   Cimino v. Raymark
    Industries, 
    751 F. Supp. 649
    (E.D. Tex. 1990); Cimino v. Raymark
    Industries, 
    739 F. Supp. 328
    (E.D. Tex. 1990).
    2
    plaintiffs’ respective actual damages from their asbestos-related
    disease.     Thereafter, and following a one-day bench hearing on the
    basis of which the district court determined that in each disease
    category the 160 sample cases were reliably representative of the
    cases involving the like disease among the remaining some 2,128
    cases,2 the court ruled that each of these remaining 2,128 cases
    (the “extrapolation cases”) would be assigned by the court to one
    of the five disease categories and each would be entitled to
    judgment based on an amount of actual damages equal to the average
    of the verdicts rendered in those of the 160 sample cases involving
    the same disease category.3    Punitive damages in each case would be
    essentially based on the phase I verdict.
    By the time of the phase I trial, many of the defendants had
    settled and others had taken bankruptcy or otherwise been disposed
    of, so only five remained, namely appellant Pittsburgh Corning
    Corporation      (Pittsburgh   Corning),   Carey   Canada,   Celotex,
    Fibreboard, and appellant Asbestos Corporation, Limited (ACL). The
    case against ACL was tried to the court under the Foreign Sovereign
    Immunities Act, 28 USC §§ 1330(a), 1603(b).    By the time the amount
    of the extrapolation case judgments was to be calculated, all
    defendants except Pittsburgh Corning and ACL had passed out of the
    2
    By the time of the phase I trial, the original 3,031 total
    cases had been reduced to 2,298 by settlement, severance, or
    dismissal.
    3
    Remittiturs were ordered as to 35 of the 160 sample case
    verdicts, and the averages were computed using the thus reduced
    verdict figures as well as the 12 zero verdicts.
    3
    case.4
    Judgment was entered against ACL in only two of the ten class
    representative cases (and in none of either the phase III sample
    cases or the extrapolation cases).   Judgment was actually entered
    against Pittsburgh Corning in a total of 157 cases, consisting of
    9 of the class representative phase I cases, 143 of the phase III
    sample cases, and 5 of the extrapolation cases (1 from each of the
    5 different diseases included in the class).5   In these 157 cases,
    Pittsburgh Corning has been cast in judgment for a total of
    approximately $69,000,000.6 Pittsburgh Corning and ACL each appeal
    the referenced judgments entered against them, and the plaintiffs
    4
    After the phase I trial and before the phase III trial began,
    the district court dismissed all claims for actual damages against
    Carey Canada, finding there could be no evidence any plaintiff was
    exposed to its product (and the four contrary phase I verdicts were
    set aside); although the court opined that Carey Canada would
    nonetheless be liable for punitive damages, it appears that no such
    judgment was rendered and the case against Carey Canada was
    apparently severed. After the phase III trials were completed,
    Celotex filed for bankruptcy and was severed, and Fibreboard
    settled.
    5
    In one of the ten class representative cases, the phase I
    jury returned a verdict for all defendants; the district court
    subsequently granted a new trial in that case, and it has been
    severed. After the phase III trial, the district court granted
    Pittsburgh Corning’s motion for judgment in 17 of the 160 sample
    cases. Pittsburgh Corning is the sole defendant in all but 2 of
    these 157 judgments; in two of the class representative judgments
    it and ACL are both cast in judgment (ACL for actual damages only).
    6
    Pittsburgh Corning asserts, without dispute, that the orders
    for judgment in the remaining some 2,123 extrapolation cases (in
    which judgments have not been entered) call for judgments against
    Pittsburgh   Corning  in   the   approximate   total  amount   of
    $1,300,000,000 for actual damages only, excluding prejudgment
    interest and punitive damages.
    4
    cross-appeal as to each.7         The issues presented in the ACL appeal
    and cross-appeal are few and narrow, and we address them last.
    Pittsburgh Corning’s appeal presents essentially two groups of
    contentions, summarized as follows:           first, those challenging the
    implemented Cimino trial plan as a whole, particularly its asserted
    failure to properly try and determine individual causation and, in
    the five extrapolation cases, damages also, as to any plaintiffs
    other than the class representatives, assertedly contrary to our
    decision in Fibreboard and Texas substantive law and in derogation
    of Pittsburgh Corning’s Seventh Amendment and Due Process rights;
    and    second,    various    other   issues    of   a   more    particular   and
    traditional sort. Plaintiffs’ cross-appeal presents issues of only
    the latter variety.         We now turn to consider Pittsburgh Corning’s
    appeal, addressing first its attacks on the trial plan.
    I.
    PITTSBURGH CORNING APPEAL
    A.   Trial Plan Attack
    1.    Trial Plan
    Initial Plan
    The Cimino trial plan initially adopted by the district court,
    which we subsequently set aside in Fibreboard, also called for
    three phases.      In phase I, the jury would decide which, if any, of
    each       defendant’s    products   were     defective    as    marketed    and
    unreasonably dangerous, when each defendant knew or should have
    7
    The 157 judgments appealed have been certified under Fed. R.
    Civ. P. 54(b).
    5
    known workers or their household members were at risk, whether each
    defendant was guilty of gross negligence in marketing its offending
    product and, as to each defendant so guilty, a punitive damages
    multiplier. In phase II, the same jury would decide the percentage
    of plaintiffs in the class exposed to each defendant’s products,
    the percentage of claims barred by limitations and other defenses,
    and would determine a lump sum amount of actual damages for each
    disease category for all plaintiffs in the class.           The jury in this
    phase would also make a full determination of liability and damages
    with   respect    to     each   of   the   eleven   class   representatives
    individually.      And the jury in phase II would also hear such
    evidence as the parties desired to present from up to thirty other
    illustrative plaintiffs, fifteen chosen by the defense and fifteen
    by plaintiffs, as well as expert testimony regarding the total
    actual damages of the class, such expert testimony to be based,
    among other things, on questionnaires filled out by all class
    members and      other   discovery,    including    forty-five-minute   oral
    depositions of class members taken by defendants.           In phase III, to
    be non-jury, the court would distribute the awarded damages among
    the individual class members.8
    8
    In adopting that plan, the district court adverted to its
    earlier decision in Jenkins v. Raymark Industries, 
    109 F.R.D. 269
    (E.D. Tex. 1985), aff’d, 
    782 F.2d 468
    (5th Cir. 1986). However,
    the district court declined to follow its Jenkins format, noting
    that “[t]rying these [3,000] cases in groups of ten would consume
    the entire available trial time for the Court . . . for the next
    three years.” In Jenkins, the district court had adopted and we
    had sustained a class action trial plan for similar asbestos suits
    which provided for a class-wide trial of essentially the same phase
    I common issues, but to be followed by “consolidated mini-trials of
    four to ten plaintiffs on the issues of exposure to any products
    6
    Fibreboard
    In Fibreboard, we found “no impediment to the trial of Phase
    I,” 
    id. at 712,
    but held the balance of the plan invalid, stating:
    “It infringes upon the dictates of Erie that we remain
    faithful to the law of Texas, and upon the separation of
    powers between the judicial and legislative branches.
    “Texas has made its policy choices in defining the
    duty owed by manufacturers and suppliers of products to
    consumers.     These choices are reflected in the
    requirement that a plaintiff prove both causation and
    damage.   In Texas, it is a ‘fundamental principle of
    traditional products liability law . . . that the
    plaintiffs must prove that the defendant supplied the
    product which caused the injury.’ These elements focus
    upon individuals, not groups. The same may be said, and
    with even greater confidence, of wage losses, pain and
    suffering, and other elements of compensation.    These
    requirements   of   proof  define  the   duty  of   the
    manufacturers.
    . . . .
    . . . The inescapable fact is that the individual
    claims of 2,990 persons will not be presented. Rather,
    the claim of a unit of 2,990 persons will be presented.
    . . . .
    . . . That procedure cannot focus upon such issues
    as individual causation, but ultimately must accept
    general causation as sufficient, contrary to Texas law.
    It is evident that these statistical estimates deal only
    with general causation, for ‘population-based probability
    estimates do not speak to a probability of causation in
    any one case; the estimate of relative risk is a property
    of the studied population, not of an individual’s case.’
    This type of procedure does not allow proof that a
    previously found to be defective; any damages legally caused by
    such exposure; and any comparative fault of each plaintiff in
    incurring such damages.” 
    Id. at 282.
    See also 
    id. at 284
    (“. . .
    the mini-trials preserve the individual issues of product exposure
    for each member of the class with regard to each product (if any)
    found defective in the class action phase”), and our Jenkins
    opinion at 473 (“individual issues of the unnamed class members
    would be resolved later in ‘mini-trials’ of seven to ten
    plaintiffs.”).
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    particular defendant’s asbestos ‘really’ caused a
    particular plaintiff’s disease; the only ‘fact’ that can
    be proved is that in most cases the defendant’s asbestos
    would have been the cause.” 
    Id. at 711-712
    (footnotes
    omitted; emphasis added except in interior quotation and
    in last clause).9
    Present Plan
    Following this Court’s decision in Fibreboard, the district
    court initially determined that “[t]his case will now proceed under
    the procedures set out in Jenkins v. Raymark”——i.e. phase I to be
    followed by a series of mini-trials for all plaintiffs on their
    individual causation and damage issues (see note 
    8, supra
    )——and set
    its previously adopted phase I (which we had declined to block) for
    trial.10      The   court   observed   that   its   “task   appears   to   be
    insurmountable,” but stated that it would nonetheless “take[] its
    place behind the old mule and start down that long row.”
    Some months later, however, the court changed its mind and
    adopted the trial plan now before us (except that a stipulation was
    ultimately utilized instead of phase II), observing:
    “Phase One will leave unresolved the questions of
    exposure, comparative causation, and damages.    These
    remaining questions could easily be resolved by the
    procedure established in Jenkins if the numbers were
    9
    We also stated:
    “Finally, it is questionable whether defendants’
    right to trial by jury is being faithfully honored, but
    we need not explore this issue. It is sufficient now to
    conclude that Phase II cannot go forward without changing
    Texas law and usurping legislative prerogatives, a step
    federal courts lack authority to take.” 
    Id. at 712.
             10
    As its “only modification” to its previous phase I, the
    district court provided that “a trial on the merits of the [entire
    individual cases of] the class representatives . . . will now be
    submitted to the jury in Phase I.”
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    manageable. The numbers are not manageable. Jenkins
    envisioned groupings of ten plaintiffs submitted to a
    succession of juries. If we could try one group a week,
    the process would take 4½ years. Additional judicial
    power and the utilization of multiple courtrooms could
    shorten the time to resolve all these cases, but it would
    not decrease total court time or attorney time.
    Transaction costs to the parties under the Jenkins
    procedure is unacceptable.”
    Instead    of    utilizing    the       Jenkins    procedure,    the   court
    determined to employ new phases II and III:                 “asking the jury in
    Phase Two to make findings on exposure that are specific to job
    site, craft and time; and then by submitting to a jury in Phase
    Three individual damage cases of a statistically significant,
    randomly selected sample from each of the five disease categories.”
    For        purposes      of    phase          II,       twenty-two     different
    worksites——principally refineries, shipyards, and chemical plants,
    and also including other industrial-type facilities and a power
    plant——in Beaumont, Port Arthur, Orange, and Port Neches, Texas, and
    including     two     sites   in   Lake       Charles,    Louisiana,   would   be
    considered.11       The district court contemplated that the phase II
    jury (the same jury as in phase I) would:
    “hear evidence concerning:     (a) the presence of the
    Defendants’ products at the worksites; (b) the presence
    of asbestos dust at the worksites; and (c) the nature of
    the various crafts at the worksites and the relationship
    between these crafts and the presence of asbestos dust at
    these facilities.    Specifically, the jury will hear
    evidence concerning the working conditions of machinists,
    pipefitters, insulators, carpenters, etc. and the
    relationship between these workers and the Defendants’
    asbestos products. The jury will make a determination as
    11
    Although two of the twenty-two sites were in Louisiana, the
    district court, and all parties both below and on this appeal, have
    proceeded on the basis that in this diversity case the controlling
    substantive law is that of Texas, and we do likewise.
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    to which crafts at the worksites were exposed to which
    Defendants’ asbestos products (if any) for a sufficient
    period of time to cause injury, harm, or disease.
    The Court will make a non-jury determination as to
    which Plaintiffs or Plaintiffs’ decedents worked for a
    sufficient period of time at each worksite so as to be a
    proper member of that worksite’s group and which
    Plaintiffs were proper members of each of the crafts at
    these worksites. . . .
    The Court will submit the issue of exposure to the
    jury pursuant to ten-year intervals. So, for example,
    the jury will be asked whether the product(s) of
    Defendant X were present at Worksite Y during the 1940's,
    the 50's, 60's, etc. And, for example, the jury will be
    asked whether the carpenters at Worksite Y were exposed
    to Defendant X’s product(s) during the 1940's, the 50's,
    60's, etc.
    . . . .
    During   Phase   Two,  the    jury  will   apportion
    responsibility among settling and non-settling Defendants
    for the Plaintiffs’ exposure (if any).”
    In Phase III, two other juries would determine for 160 sample
    cases only “two damage issues,” namely “(e) whether the Plaintiffs
    suffered from an asbestos-related injury or disease and, if so, (b)
    what damages the Plaintiffs incurred.”       The court ultimately
    determined, based on information from plaintiffs, that the entire
    class of 2,298 cases could be broken down into the 5 disease
    categories, and the court then randomly selected 160 sample cases,
    some from each disease category, as follows:
    Disease                  Number of            Number of
    Sample Cases         Cases in Class
    Mesothelioma                    15                 32
    Lung Cancer                     25                186
    Other Cancers                   20                 58
    Asbestosis                      50              1,050
    Pleural Disease                 50                972
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    Total                      160              2,29812
    12
    A brief description of asbestos-related diseases is contained
    in Schuck, The Worst Should Go First:      Deferral Registries In
    Asbestos Litigation, 15 Harv. J.L. & Pub. Pol. 541 (1992). Five
    conditions are described, “[m]oving from the least to the most
    serious,” as follows: “(1) pleural plaque; (2) pleural thickening;
    (3) asbestosis; (4) lung and certain other cancers; and (5)
    mesothelioma (a rapidly-fatal form of cancer).” 
    Id. at 544.
    “The
    pleurae are a double membrane surrounding the lung between the lung
    and chest wall. The inner layer, adjacent to the lung tissue, is
    called the visceral pleura. The outer layer, in close contact with
    the inner, is called the parietal pleura.” 
    Id., n.10. “Pleural
    plaques have been described as ‘discrete,
    elevated, opaque, shiny, rounded lesions, . . . diffuse
    or nodular,’ of the parietal pleura or diaphragm. They
    strongly indicate asbestos exposure. Pleural thickening
    includes certain types of lesion of the visceral pleura.
    Unlike plaques, pleural thickening may have non-asbestos
    causes. Asbestosis involves non-malignant lesions of the
    lung tissue itself, varying from small areas of basal
    fibrosis to a diffuse, fine fibrosis. . . . Malignant
    mesothelioma, a usually rapidly-fatal form of cancer, is
    caused almost exclusively by asbestos. Lung cancer can
    also be caused by asbestos, a risk greatly compounded by
    smoking. Whether asbestos exposure is associated with
    other types of cancer remains a matter of considerable
    debate in the medical and legal communities.
    . . . The medical literature indicates that
    claimants   with  pleural   plaques   unaccompanied   by
    asbestosis are ordinarily symptomatically unimpaired.
    Some studies have associated pleural plaques with
    comparatively modest breathing decrements, but many such
    studies have been criticized on various grounds. It is
    clear that diffuse pleural thickening and some of its
    variants can produce significant impairments, although
    thickenings are less common than plaques.     Asbestosis
    ‘[s]ymptoms include shortness of breath, coughing,
    fatigue, and vague feelings of sickness.       When the
    fibrosis worsens, shortness of breath occurs even at
    rest. . . . In severe cases, death may be caused by
    respiratory or cardiac failure.’
    . . . Pleural plaques are certainly markers of prior
    asbestos exposure, but the existing studies provide no
    evidence that they independently cause any progression of
    further asbestos-related conditions. As for asbestosis,
    the evidence suggests that once the disease is
    contracted, the symptoms tend to become progressively
    11
    Individual judgment would be entered in each of the 160 sample
    cases based on the phase III verdict in that particular sample
    case. After phase III, the district court would assign each of the
    remaining 2,298 cases to one of the 5 disease categories, and in
    each case make an award of actual damages equal to the average of
    the awards in the phase III cases involving the same disease.
    Phase I
    The phase I trial lasted approximately eight weeks.         The
    defendants then remaining were Carey Canada, Celotex, Fibreboard,
    and Pittsburgh Corning.13     The jury found in answer to the first
    four questions when the defendants knew or should have known that
    their “asbestos-containing insulation products” posed a risk of
    asbestos-related disease to “insulators” (question 1), to their
    household members, to other “crafts working with or near insulation
    products,” and to their household members. Pittsburgh Corning knew
    or should have known this since 1962 (when it first entered the
    business; it left it in 1972) as to both insulators and other
    crafts; the other three defendants since 1935 as to insulators and
    since 1955 as to other crafts; all four defendants as to both sets
    of household members since 1965.    In answer to question 5, the jury
    found that, since 1962 as to Pittsburgh Corning and since 1935 as
    to the other defendants, the defendants’ listed insulation products
    “were defective and unreasonably dangerous as a result of not
    more serious with continued occupational exposure. In
    some cases, this progression occurs even after exposure
    ceases.” 
    Id. at 545-50
    (footnotes omitted).
    13
    As noted, ACL’s case was tried to the court.
    12
    having     an     adequate      warning.”          The     district        court    ultimately
    disregarded the answers to questions 2, 3, and 4, which addressed
    knowledge        concerning      other      crafts       and    household      members,       and
    ordered judgment rendered on the basis of question 1, knowledge
    concerning        insulators,         and   question       5,       failure   to    warn.      In
    question        7,14    the   jury    found   each       defendant         guilty    of     gross
    negligence warranting punitive damages and assigned a punitive
    damages     multiplier         of    $3.00    per    $1.00          of   actual    damages     to
    Pittsburgh Corning, $2.00 to Celotex, and $1.50 each to Fibreboard
    and Carey Canada.             Questions 8 through 17 separately addressed the
    individual case of each of the 10 class representatives.                               In each
    respective question, the jury was asked to find for the particular
    plaintiff or the defendants, and if for the plaintiff to find
    separate dollar amounts of past and of future damages for that
    plaintiff, and to “apportion causation” (in percentages totaling
    one hundred percent) among that plaintiff, some or all of the then
    current defendants,             and    some   or     all       of    the   dismissed      former
    defendants.            In three of the cases, the plaintiff’s causation was
    not submitted (in one of these the verdict was for the defendants,
    and a new trial was granted), in another three such causation was
    submitted but not found, and in four cases plaintiff causation was
    found (15%, 17%, 20%, and 50%).                 In each of the 9 cases in which
    the jury found for the plaintiff, Pittsburgh Corning’s causation
    was fixed at 20%; Fibreboard and Celotex were each assessed 15% in
    8 of these cases, and in one case Celotex was assessed 30% and
    14
    Question 6 related only to Carey Canada.
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    Fibreboard none; in the only 4 of these cases in which Carey
    Canada’s causation was submitted, it was found to be 15%.                In each
    of   these   9   cases,   the   causation   of   each   of   some   10   former
    defendants was submitted, separately for each, and it was found in
    each case in amounts ranging from as little as a total of 10% for
    all of them to as much as 50% for all.           The jury’s phase I actual
    damage findings totaled some $3.5 million.
    Phase III
    Following completion of the phase I trial (and a continuance),
    the district court proceeded directly into phase III, without any
    phase II trial.       It was not until approximately seven weeks into
    the phase III trials that the stipulation——which ultimately replaced
    phase II——was entered into. It was clear from the beginning of, and
    throughout, the phase III trials that the two juries were not to,
    and did not, determine whether exposure to any of defendants’
    products was a cause of the sample plaintiffs’ complained-of
    condition.       In phase III the court instructed the jury that they
    were to assume exposure was sufficient to be a producing cause of
    all the disease categories.         As plaintiffs admit in their brief
    here, in the phase III trial “the juries were told to assume that
    the claimants had sufficient exposure.”15 Indeed, for the most part
    evidence of exposure and its likely or possible results was not
    15
    And, in hearings on post-trial motions below, the plaintiffs’
    counsel twice expressly agreed with the district court’s assessment
    that the court’s “instruction was that the jury was to assume
    exposure was sufficient to be a producing cause of all these
    diseases.”
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    allowed.16   Simply stated, whether there was exposure to Pittsburgh
    16
    The district court announced on more than one occasion at the
    beginning of the phase III trials, “[w]e are not going to try 160
    cases of individual exposure.” Plaintiffs’ counsel informed the
    district court post-trial——and defense counsel concurred——”[w]e were
    not allowed to litigate exposure during Phase 3. When we tried the
    individual cases, we were not allowed to litigate exposure,” and
    “we were prohibited in Phase 3 from proving exposure either to
    Pittsburgh Corning’s products or exactly when the decades of
    exposure were or how much they were.” As the district court noted
    in one of its post-trial orders, “the parties did not litigate
    during the ‘Phase Three’ trials the duration and extent of exposure
    to asbestos by each of the 160 individual plaintiffs,” and
    “[e]vidence quantifying how much exposure was not allowed in
    individual cases unless the issue of smoking was raised,” and “the
    ‘Phase Three’ trials did not involve litigation of individual
    exposure, periods and duration.” Evidence of exposure was limited
    to lung cancer and certain other cancer cases where smoking was
    raised, essentially consisted of showing the number of years of
    asbestos exposure, and was not product or defendant specific. At
    the beginning of the phase III trials, the court instructed the
    juries they would:
    “not hear evidence concerning which product they might
    have been exposed to or how much exposure they might have
    had. Or which product they used more than others.
    For most of these cases, you may assume that there
    has been sufficient exposure to asbestos-containing
    insulation products for that exposure to be a producing
    cause of an asbestos-related injury or disease.
    Now, therefore, it will not be necessary for you to
    hear any evidence about the quantity or amount of
    exposure in most of these cases. There is a category
    that I wish to address separately with you.
    It is not scientifically disputed that in lung
    cancer cases, there are two causes of lung cancer, of the
    types of lung cancer that we have that are the subject of
    claims in this case. And those two causes are exposure
    to asbestos fibers and smoking.
    Therefore, I have ruled that it is appropriate for
    you to hear evidence on the lung cancer category of cases
    that relates to quantification of exposure.
    . . . .
    You may assume that there was a sufficient exposure for
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    Corning’s——or any other defendant’s——asbestos, and, if so, whether
    that exposure was a cause of any of the 160 sample plaintiffs’
    illness, disease, or damages, was neither litigated nor determined
    in any of the phase III trials.          Nor were any matters concerning
    any   individual   sample   plaintiff’s      past    connection    with    any
    particular worksite or craft either litigated or determined in
    phase III (although some miscellaneous information in this regard
    was not infrequently incidentally reflected in general background
    or work history testimony).
    Following the phase III jury verdicts (including 12 zero
    verdicts) in the 160 sample cases, the district court ordered
    remittiturs in 35 of these cases (“34 of the pulmonary and pleural
    cases and in one mesothelioma case”), and calculated the average
    actual damage award, after remittitur (and considering the zero
    verdicts),   in    each   disease   category    to    be   the    following:
    mesothelioma, $1,224,333; lung cancer, $545,200; other cancer,
    $917,785; asbestosis, $543, 783; pleural disease, $558,900.               These
    that exposure to be a producing cause of an asbestos-
    related injury or disease on the damage question.
    Now, you may very well have, as I told you -- I
    guess it was Tuesday -- a dispute about a diagnosis in
    some cases. And I am going to permit in those cases you
    to hear evidence about amounts of exposure compared, for
    example, to amounts of smoking, so you can decide one way
    or the other.
    And you will hear evidence -- it is not disputed
    scientifically -- that for lung cancer cases, probably
    laryngeal cancer cases and maybe some other cases that
    fall in that category of, quote, “other cancers,” that
    there’s a synergistic effect between smoking and asbestos
    exposure.”
    16
    were the figures to be applied to the extrapolation cases.
    Phase II stipulation
    We now turn to the written stipulation——entered into after some
    seven weeks of the phase III trials had taken place——which replaced
    phase II.       It was executed by all the plaintiffs and by Pittsburgh
    Corning, Fibreboard, and Celotex, who constituted all the then-
    remaining defendants (except ACL, whose case was non-jury), and was
    approved “so ordered” by the district court.
    Attached to the stipulation as an exhibit was a special
    verdict form that would consist of separate interrogatories, each
    with a part (a) and a part (b), one each for each of the twenty-two
    worksites at issue.             For example, question 1(a) would ask “For
    Worksite        No.   1,   do   you   find    that   the   following   crafts   had
    sufficient exposure to asbestos during the specified time periods
    to be a producing cause of the disease of asbestosis.”17                 The jury
    would answer yes or no separately as to each of over fifty listed
    crafts for each of four specified decades, namely 1942-52, 1952-62,
    1962-72, and 1972-82.18          Question 1(b) would state, “For the crafts
    17
    It appears undisputed that exposure sufficient to cause
    asbestosis is also sufficient to cause mesothelioma, lung cancer,
    and pleural plaques.
    18
    The crafts were divided into four general groupings:
    “Production Crafts” (some thirteen in all, including e.g. pumper,
    gauger, and tube cleaner and various railyard crafts, including
    brakeman and engineer); “Maintenance Crafts” (eighteen, including
    boilermaker/steamfitter, insulator, machinist, brick mason, heavy
    equipment operator, and welder); “Shipyard” (thirteen, including
    rigger, ship fitter, laborer, electrician, carpenter, insulator,
    machinist, and pipefitter); and “GSU Powerhouses” (one of the
    twenty-two sites) (eleven, including operator, electrician,
    pipefitter, heavy equipment operator, and insulator).      Of the
    plaintiffs involved in this suit, only a very small minority were
    17
    and the time periods which were answered ‘yes’ in question 1(a),
    causation is apportioned as follows.”      This question would be
    answered by stating separately for each listed craft a percentage
    applicable to each of the current defendants and each of the former
    defendants who had settled as to each of the same four decades (as
    to each decade the percentages were to total one hundred percent).19
    This process would be repeated, with questions 2(a) and 2(b), 3(a)
    and 3(b), and so forth, separately as to each of the remaining
    worksites.
    The stipulation provides in part that:
    “(3) It is stipulated that some individuals working
    in the listed crafts . . . at the 22 Phase Two worksites
    during each decade from 1942 to 1982 were exposed to
    asbestos during the course of their employment.      The
    exposure of some members of each of the crafts . . . at
    the 22 worksites was of sufficient length and intensity
    insulators.
    19
    Thus, for example, the verdict form would allow the jury to
    find in its answer to question 1(a) that at worksite No. 1 the
    production “craft” of “operator” had “sufficient exposure to
    asbestos to be a producing cause of the disease of asbestosis
    during” each of the 1962-72 and 1972-82 decades, but not during
    either the 1942-52 or the 1952-62 decades. Again for example, the
    jury, assuming it had made the answers to question 1(a)
    hypothesized in the preceding sentence, would be able in answer to
    question 1(b) to apportion “causation” with respect to the
    production “craft” of “operator” at worksite No. 1 during the
    decade 1962-72, say twenty percent to Pittsburgh Corning, twenty
    percent to Fibreboard, fifteen percent to Celotex, and specific
    percentages (presumably including zero) severally to each of the
    former defendants who had settled, all such percentages to total
    one hundred percent for that particular decade; “causation”
    percentages with respect to the production “craft” of “operator” at
    worksite No. 1 would similarly be assigned to each current
    defendant and former defendant for the decade 1972-82, but such
    percentages could be different from those stated for them
    respectively for the 1962-1972 decade (or the percentages could
    remain the same as between the decades), and, again, the
    percentages would total one hundred percent.
    18
    to cause pulmonary asbestosis of varying degrees.
    Asbestos-containing products of predecessors to the
    Celotex Corporation and Fibreboard Corporation were
    present during each decade in the specified worksites.
    An asbestos-containing product of Pittsburgh Corning
    Corporation was present during the decades 1962-1982 at
    the specified worksites.
    The defendants do not stipulate that any members of
    the various crafts at the various worksites had the same
    exposure to any products or that any such individuals had
    the same susceptibility to asbestos-related diseases in
    the various crafts and worksites.” (Emphasis added).
    The stipulation further provides that, although “[i]f the
    Court were to proceed with ‘Phase Two’ . . . [i]t is stipulated for
    purpose of appellate review that the [phase II] jury’s verdicts
    would assign different [causation] percentages to each” of the
    defendants Pittsburgh Corning, Fibreboard, and Celotex, and “would
    assign        different    percentages   with   respect   to   each    Phase   Two
    worksite . . . craft . . . and decade combinations” submitted,
    nevertheless “[defendants] stipulate it shall be deemed that the
    Phase Two jury” assigned in all instances the following comparative
    causation        shares,     viz:     Pittsburgh      Corning,   ten    percent;
    Fibreboard,        ten    percent;   Celotex,   ten   percent;   and    Manville
    Personal Injury Settlement Trust, thirteen percent.20                  The court
    20
    As Pittsburgh Corning did not produce or sell asbestos-
    containing insulation products before 1962, special provisions were
    made concerning it. “If an individual did not have exposure to
    asbestos after July 1, 1962, Pittsburgh Corning Corporation will be
    assessed no percentage responsibility.”     And, “[i]f the Cimino
    trial management plan is affirmed on appeal and . . . [the cited
    percentage provisions] become operative, the percentage to be
    applied to Pittsburgh Corning Corporation shall be reduced
    according to the following formula.” This formula provided that in
    each individual plaintiff’s case, Pittsburgh Corning’s causation
    share would be the same fraction of ten percent as the number of
    the Pittsburgh Corning decades (1962-72; 1972-82) during which that
    19
    would use these stated percentages to fashion judgments in the 160
    phase III sample cases and in the extrapolation cases.
    Before setting out these percentages, however, the stipulation
    had made clear that defendants were not thereby agreeing that the
    trial   plan——either   the   originally   planned   phase   II   or   the
    contemplated extrapolation procedure——was a permissible way to
    adjudicate their liability and damages.      Thus, it stated:
    “This stipulation relates to the percentage findings
    to be supplied through the Court’s special verdict form
    which the Court intends to apply to individuals pursuant
    to the Cimino trial management plan, to which these
    defendants object.     If the reviewing courts reject
    determination of individual legal causation issues by
    resort to general Phase Two worksite/craft findings, or
    reject the use of Rule 23 class trials for asbestos
    injury cases, the Phase Two share percentage findings
    specified below are void.” (Emphasis added).
    individual was exposed to asbestos was of the total number of the
    inquired-about decades (1942-52; 1952-62; 1962-72; 1972-82) during
    which that individual was exposed to asbestos.        Thus, if an
    individual had been exposed to asbestos in each of the decades
    1962-72 and 1972-82, but not in any other of the four decades,
    Pittsburgh Corning’s causation share would be 10% (2/2 x 10); if
    the individual had been exposed to asbestos in each of the three
    decades 1952-62, 1962-72, and 1972-82, but not in the 1942-52
    decade, Pittsburgh Corning’s share would be 6 2/3% (2/3 x 10); if
    the individual was exposed in all four decades, Pittsburgh
    Corning’s share would be 5% (2/4 x 10); if the individual was
    exposed in each of the decades 1942-52, 1952-62, and 1962-72, but
    not in the 1972-82 decade, Pittsburgh Corning’s share would be 3
    1/3% (1/3 x 10).   The district court subsequently ruled that these
    decades were 1/1/1942 through 12/31/1951, 1/1/1952 through
    12/31/1961, 1/1/1962 through 12/31/1971, and 1/1/1972 through
    12/31/1982, and that exposure at any time during the decade
    sufficed, that is, for example, exposure from December 1, 1961,
    through January 31, 1972, but not thereafter, was exposure in each
    of the three decades ending 12/31/82. For these purposes, exposure
    to asbestos was not limited to exposure at one of the twenty-two
    worksites; thus one extrapolation plaintiff was judged to have been
    exposed during all four decades, although it is evident that the
    court found none of his exposure prior to 1964 was at any of those
    twenty-two sites.
    20
    Defendants’ reservations of their objections in this respect are
    also reflected in later passages of the stipulation.              In paragraph
    5 it is stated that “Defendants continue to object to these
    extrapolation procedures,” and paragraph 8 states:
    “Defendants reserve all rights to object to all past and
    future aspects of the Cimino trial plan and to assign as
    error all prior, present, and future rulings of the
    Court, except only that Defendants shall not assert that
    the evidence is or would be insufficient to support a 10%
    finding (as compared, e.g., to a 5% finding, etc.) with
    respect to any particular Phase Two jobsite and craft
    combination.”
    And, the stipulation recites that defendants specifically reserved,
    and would      be   afforded,   the   right   to   contend   on   appeal21   the
    following (among other things):
    “that it is impermissible to determine medical or other
    causal responsibility on a jobsite or craft-wide basis;
    that it is impermissible to establish a single period of
    time sufficient to cause asbestos related disease, injury
    or harm except in connection with evidence presented in
    regard to an individual and as applied to that
    individual; that it is impermissible to use decades of
    exposure to asbestos, worksite or employment status to
    assess individual exposure or medical causation issues;
    and that it would be impermissible under governing law to
    assign   a   single    percentage   of   ‘causation’   or
    ‘responsibility’    to   a   particular   craft  or   job
    classification.”22
    21
    And to submit offers of proof to the district court
    concerning.
    22
    The stipulation also says that “[i]t is understood by the
    Court, and it is agreed by the parties, that Defendants do intend
    to challenge all aspects of the Cimino trial management plan
    including all aspects of the Phase Two trial which would culminate
    in use of the special verdict form.” Finally, paragraph 15 of the
    stipulation states:
    “The District Court is of the view, and the parties
    stipulate, that no appellate rights are prejudiced or
    waived by entering into this stipulation, and that no
    reviewing court should construe this stipulation as being
    21
    Paragraph 12 of the stipulation confirms its limited nature,
    viz:
    “(12) Without limitation, Defendants do not
    stipulate that: entry of any judgment based on actual or
    stipulated Phase Two findings is legally or factually
    sound; any Defendant in fact has legal responsibility to
    any individual plaintiff; any individual plaintiff was in
    fact exposed to injurious quantities of asbestos from the
    products of any Defendant; the products of any of the
    Defendants were in fact legal causes of injury to any
    individual plaintiff; or that any issue framed by the
    Cimino pleadings can be adjudicated on a jobsite or
    craft-wide basis.    Defendants have not stipulated or
    agreed that evidence to be received under the Cimino
    trial management plan is or could be sufficient to
    establish in these cases that any class member plaintiff
    suffers from an asbestos-related disease (except as
    previously stipulated on the record in particular cases),
    or that the asbestos-containing product or products of
    any defendant caused or contributed to any such disease,
    nor that a finding of responsibility or causation in any
    percentage with respect to a defendant and any class
    member is or could be sustained by evidence limited to
    asbestos-related disease among, or exposure to asbestos
    of, members of specified crafts at specified worksites
    over ten-year periods of time in the absence of evidence
    sufficient to show that each plaintiff class member to
    whom a defendant is held liable in any percent himself or
    herself has an asbestos-related disease and that such
    class member was exposed to the defendant’s asbestos
    product or products in quantities and for times
    sufficient to cause such disease. Further, defendants
    have not stipulated to the sufficiency of any evidence
    which would permit any finding by the Court or jury that
    any class member plaintiff has been damaged in any sum or
    amount by reference or resort to damages suffered by any
    other plaintiff, or groups of plaintiffs, in the absence
    of evidence specifically showing damage suffered by such
    plaintiff class member himself or herself individually.”
    (Emphasis added).
    Finally, the stipulation reflects that the court, by its
    an agreement by the parties to any part of the Cimino
    trial management plan, or to the trials that have
    occurred as of the date of this stipulation, or to
    further implementation of Cimino procedures by the
    Court.”
    22
    approval thereof, had ruled, and “would have adhered to such ruling
    throughout the trial” and “will adhere to this ruling in reviewing
    offers of proof” mentioned in the stipulation, that, with presently
    immaterial exceptions,
    “. . . it would not submit to the jury for a verdict (or
    receive individual evidence for individual adjudication)
    as to each plaintiff class member except where it has
    done so in proceedings to date, several issues,
    including: whether he or she was exposed to an asbestos-
    containing product; whether that exposure was sufficient
    to cause injury; the identity of those who manufactured
    the products to which such each plaintiff was exposed;
    and the individual damages suffered by such person as a
    result of exposure.”
    After the stipulation, the phase III trials continued for
    approximately five more weeks, conducted in all material respects
    on the same basis and in the same manner as they had been during
    the some seven weeks before the stipulation was entered into.
    Extrapolation
    The final phase was that of extrapolation.                About a month
    after completion of the phase III trials, a one-day non-jury
    hearing was    held   in   which   the     district   court   heard   evidence
    concerning    the   degree   to    which     the   160   sample   cases   were
    representative, in their respective disease categories, of the
    cases in the same disease category among the 2,128 extrapolation
    cases.   Essentially the only evidence at this hearing was the
    testimony of three expert witnesses called by the plaintiffs,
    namely Dr. John Dement, Director, Office of Occupation Health and
    Technical Services, National Institute of Environmental Health
    Sciences; Professor Ronald Frankewitz of the University of Houston,
    a Ph.D. in Evaluation, Measurement, and Statistics; and University
    23
    of Texas Law School Professor of Trial Practice Patrick Hazel, an
    experienced personal injury trial lawyer.
    The district court’s opinion dealing with extrapolation does
    not refer, either generically or specifically, to any evidence
    other than Professor Frankewitz’s testimony. He stated that he was
    furnished    by   someone   in   the    offices   of   plaintiffs’   counsel
    computerized written data reflecting, as to each of the 160 sample
    cases and each of the 2,128 extrapolation cases, whether the case
    was a sample case or an extrapolation case, which of the 5 disease
    categories the case involved, and an answer to each of 12 specific
    variables pertaining to the particular plaintiff or plaintiff’s
    decedent alleged injury to whom formed the basis of the suit.            The
    12 variable were gender, race, whether living, whether ever smoked,
    whether was a wage earner (when not specified), age, first year of
    exposure, last year of exposure, total years of exposure, latency,
    pack   years   smoked,   trade    and    predominant    craft.   Professor
    Frankewitz testified that the sample cases in each of the five
    disease categories were representative of the extrapolation cases
    in the same disease category “in terms of the variables that I’ve
    analyzed,” so that, for example, if one were to randomly select
    another 50 asbestosis cases from the 2,128 extrapolation cases, 99
    out of 100 times (98 out of 100 in two minor respects) those 50
    cases would have “the same mix of variables” as the 50 asbestosis
    cases which were a part of the 160 sample phase III cases.23             Dr.
    23
    Professor Frankewitz had no information as to any of the
    verdicts in any of the phase III sample cases, “made no attempt .
    . . to correlate or to identify any results or factors . . . that
    24
    Frankewitz did not select the variables, nor did he determine what
    those variables were in any of the cases; rather he was simply
    furnished   that   information   by     plaintiffs’   counsel’s   office.
    Similarly, he made no independent judgment as to which disease
    category any case fit in, but simply was furnished that conclusion
    by the office of plaintiffs’ attorneys.         And Dr. Frankewitz was
    even not sure just what some of the variables meant.         When asked
    what the variable “total years of exposure” meant, he repled “As
    far as I’m concerned, I believe it’s . . . I’d be guessing.            I
    would say it’s the number of years that an individual was exposed
    to asbestos in a particular setting, particular situation” (earlier
    in his testimony he had indicated that it was “a function of” first
    and last years of exposure).     He did not calculate “total years of
    exposure” and when asked who did, said “My belief would be it would
    be a clerk under the supervision or direction of one of the
    plaintiffs’ attorneys.”24   The district court concluded “that the
    distribution of variables between the samples and their respective
    would predict or estimate what jury awards might be,” and stated
    that “none of what I have done . . . related to magnitude of
    verdicts.”
    24
    Similarly, when asked “what criteria were used to determined
    who was a wage earner,” Dr. Frankewitz replied “Again, this was
    information that was encoded and afforded to me.”       When asked
    whether the wage earner variable “is equivalent in some fashion to
    whether or not a wage-lost claim was asserted,” he responded “I
    don’t know what we’re talking about there. I have no knowledge of
    that terminology.     I’m operating on the basis of merely a
    categorical variable, sir, whether a person was classified as a
    wage earner or not.”
    25
    subclasses is comparable.”25
    25
    Defendants unsuccessfully objected to Professor Frankewitz’s
    testimony on the basis that his testimony as to the presence and
    distribution of the different variables depended entirely on what
    he was told by employees of plaintiffs’ attorneys. In an effort to
    respond to this, and to a similar unsuccessful objection to Dr.
    Dement’s testimony, plaintiffs, well after the extrapolation
    hearing and the orders initially entered on the basis thereof,
    moved to place of record the answers of all class members to
    Fibreboard and Master interrogatories, which they asserted were the
    ultimate source of the “variables” and disease data furnished
    Frankewitz and Dement.     The district court denied the motion,
    stating that these answers “were neither offered nor admitted into
    evidence at trial. Fed. R. Civ. P. 33 requires a formal offer of
    answers to interrogatories at trial. Jones v. Diamond, 
    519 F.2d 1090
    , 1098 and n.13 (5th Cir. 1975); 4A Moore’s Federal Practice §
    33.29(1.-2).” The plaintiffs’ interrogatory answers are not in the
    record before us.    Apparently for the same reason (and also in
    reference to prejudgment interest), plaintiffs also filed (well
    after the extrapolation hearing) a motion and supplemental motion
    to take judicial notice of the years of last exposure of each
    plaintiff (relying on their referenced interrogatory answers). The
    district court likewise denied those motions.
    Dr. Dement concluded that from an epidemiological point of
    view the distribution of certain important “risk factors” in each
    disease category in the 160 phase III sample cases was very
    comparable to or representative of the distribution of those same
    factors in the like disease category cases among the extrapolation
    cases.   The “factors” were age, race, sex, whether or not the
    individual ever smoked (at least in some disease categories), the
    year of first exposure (year of last exposure was not considered),
    and the length of time from first exposure to the initial diagnosis
    (latency period).      A final factor was to characterize the
    individual’s “predominant work site” (site of longest employment)
    as having been in one of six different generic types, namely
    “refinery, chemical plant, shipyards, construction and trades,
    household exposure, and a group sort of catch-all other.” This
    factor also asked as to each of these six generic types of work
    sites whether the individual had or had not ever worked at such a
    site. Concerning the some 2,128 extrapolation cases, Dr. Dement
    was furnished by personnel in the office of plaintiffs’ counsel the
    answer as to each individual to each of the above “factors” as well
    as the appropriate disease category for that individual.        Dr.
    Dement did not make any review of any of those 2,128 cases and
    relied entirely on the referenced answers furnished by the office
    of plaintiffs’ counsel.     He did state that whether or not an
    individual was exposed to asbestos at a work site was not a
    criteria in determining the individual’s “predominant work site”
    and “we have no exposure information, to my knowledge, or very
    little at most of these work sites.”          However, in general
    26
    refineries, chemical plants, and shipyards were a source of
    asbestos exposure. Dr. Dement acknowledged that since 1970 there
    was likely some decrease in industrial asbestos exposure, but that
    in some instances “there was some deterioration in plant
    operational maintenance conditions that would cause increases.” He
    also stated that “it [the 2,128 cases] is of a very mixed work
    history population. Many of these individuals worked in many, many
    different places.”     Dr. Dement likewise acknowledged that his
    “analysis was strictly the risk factors for the disease not in the
    level of any disability,” and that the risk factors simply related
    to “increased risk and you cannot predict on any individual basis
    whether or not . . . he’s going to develop lung cancer or
    asbestosis or not.”
    Professor Hazel testified that in personal injury cases
    generally (he had never had an asbestos case) the main factors
    important to evaluation for settlement purposes were the potential
    for liability for actual or punitive damages, the extent of the
    plaintiff’s injury, the venue or forum (the particular jury
    selected if settled at that stage), the quality of the opposite
    party’s legal representation, the defendant’s ability to pay, and
    “the host of other factors I would call the plaintiff’s
    characteristics . . . what is the appearance this plaintiff is
    likely to make? What kind of presentation in front of the jury is
    this plaintiff likely to make?”     Professor Hazel looked at the
    verdicts in the 160 sample phase III cases and also at some of the
    evidence in some of those cases; he did not do any review of any of
    the extrapolation cases. He received information from some of the
    plaintiffs’ lawyers regarding what they thought were “pluses” and
    “minuses” in their sample phase III cases, and stated that smoking
    was a reported negative, as was age in some instances and “whether
    the jury won’t like him or her”; while no one had had “ten years”
    in prison, there were instances counsel “said here’s something we
    know but the other side doesn’t know.”         Most of the things
    plaintiffs’ counsel reported “as the positives and the negatives”
    would   fit   into    Hazel’s   classification    of   “plaintiff’s
    characteristics.” Reviewing memos from defense counsel concerning
    possible settlement of these cases, Hazel noted (over defense
    objections) that they mentioned disease classifications, smoking
    (in lung cancer cases only), whether or not over age 60 (or 65),
    and what Hazel assumed was job impairment; other than smoking they
    did not “appear to consider . . . the individual characteristics of
    any Plaintiff.” In reviewing the verdicts rendered in the phase
    III cases, Hazel “was struck” by the difference in verdicts as
    between the two different juries that tried those cases. Hazel
    recognized that attorneys generally value pleural cases with “the
    lowest evaluation” of all asbestos-related disease classifications,
    and noticed this pattern had not been followed in the phase III
    verdicts, but had no explanation for that. Indeed, the average
    phase III pleural verdict exceeded both the average asbestosis and
    the average lung cancer verdict by more than $10,000 (after
    27
    2.   Analysis
    As noted, Pittsburgh Corning attacks the Cimino trial plan, as
    it did at all times below, principally on the basis that it fails
    to properly try and determine individual causation, and in the
    extrapolation cases also fails to properly try and determine
    individual damages, as to any plaintiffs other than the ten class
    representatives whose individual cases were fully tried in phase I.
    Pittsburgh Corning asserts in this connection, among other things,
    that these aspects of the trial plan are contrary to Fibreboard,
    impose liability and damages where they would not be imposed under
    Texas substantive law, and invade its Seventh Amendment and due
    process rights.      Although we do not separately address the due
    process contention as such, we conclude that the Cimino trial plan
    is invalid in these respects, necessitating reversal of all the
    phase III sample case judgments as well as the five extrapolation
    case judgments before us.26
    remittitur and including zero verdicts). Hazel had no information
    on the range of injury involved in the phase III pleural cases; nor
    had he ever before seen or studied a situation where one particular
    jury repeatedly returned separate verdicts in a long series of
    cases.
    26
    At approximately the conclusion of the phase I trial, and
    well before phrase III began, a motions panel of this Court issued
    an order denying a petition for writ of mandamus filed by
    Fibreboard challenging the trial plan.      The order was without
    opinion (it merely recited “It is ordered that the petition for
    writ of mandamus is denied”). It is settled that the motions panel
    order is not binding on us. See, e.g., Mattern v. Eastman Kodak
    Co., 
    104 F.3d 702
    , 704 (5th Cir. 1997), cert. denied, 
    118 S. Ct. 336
    (1997); Browning v. Navarro, 
    887 F.2d 553
    , 557 (5th Cir. 1989),
    28
    We begin by stating some very basic propositions.                        These
    personal       injury   tort     actions      for    monetary     damages    are   “a
    prototypical example of an action at law, to which the Seventh
    Amendment applies.”           Wooddell v. Intern. Broth. of Elec. Workers,
    
    112 S. Ct. 494
    ,    498    (1991).        The    Seventh    Amendment     applies
    notwithstanding that these are diversity cases.                   Simler v. Conner,
    
    83 S. Ct. 609
    (1963).          See also Gasperini v. Center for Humanities,
    Inc., 
    116 S. Ct. 2211
    (1996).                 But because these are diversity
    cases, the Rules of Decision Act, 28 U.S.C. § 1652, and Erie R. Co.
    v.    Tompkins,    
    58 S. Ct. 817
    ,      822-23   (1938),    with   its    seeming
    constitutional      underpinning,        mandate     that   the    substantive     law
    applied be that of the relevant state, here Texas. Substantive law
    includes not only the factual elements which must be found to
    impose liability and fix damages, but also the burdens of going
    forward with       evidence      and   of    persuasion     thereon.     Palmer     v.
    Hoffman, 
    63 S. Ct. 477
    , 482 (1943); Cities Service Oil Co. v.
    Dunlap, 
    60 S. Ct. 201
    (1939).
    None of the foregoing is or can be altered by the utilization
    of Fed. R. Civ. P. 23(b)(3) or Fed. R. Civ. P. 42(a).                       As to the
    Seventh Amendment, the Court in Ross v. Bernhard, 
    90 S. Ct. 733
    (1970), held that in a stockholders’ derivative action seeking
    monetary relief——now provided for in Fed. R. Civ. P. 23.1——although
    the right of the stockholders to sue on behalf of the corporation
    was an equitable matter determinable by the court, the monetary
    reh’g denied, 
    894 F.2d 99
    (5th Cir. 1990); Northshore Development
    Co. v. Lee, 
    835 F.2d 580
    , 583 (5th Cir. 1988) (“a motions panel
    decision is not binding precedent”).
    29
    claims of the corporation against the defendants were legal claims
    to which the Seventh Amendment applied.     The Court observed that
    “The Seventh Amendment question depends on the nature of the issue
    to be tried rather than the character of the overall action,” 
    id. at 738,
    and “nothing turns now upon the form of the action or the
    procedural devices by which the parties happen to come before the
    court.”   
    Id. at 739.
      It also noted that it was “inclined to agree
    with the description” of derivative suits “as one kind of ‘true’
    class action,” and that “it now seems settled in the lower federal
    courts that class action plaintiffs may obtain a jury trial on any
    legal issues they present.”       
    Id. A leading
    text gives the
    following commentary on Ross:
    “The language just quoted, that nothing turns on
    ‘the procedural devices by which the parties happen to
    come before the court,’ makes the Ross case controlling
    not only for derivative actions but also for the other
    procedural devices that the Civil Rules borrowed from
    equity. In all of these it will be for the judge to
    decide whether the device may be used, but once he or she
    does so there will be a right to jury trial on any of the
    underlying issues that are legal in nature. Indeed, the
    Ross decision itself relied in part on lower court
    decisions reaching this result with regard to class
    actions under Rule 23. The Court said that ‘it now seems
    settled in the lower federal courts that class action
    plaintiffs may obtain a jury trial on any legal issues
    they present,’ and indicated its agreement with the view
    that derivative suits are one kind of ‘true’ class
    action.”    9 Wright & Miller, Federal Practice and
    Procedure, § 2307 at 79 (footnotes omitted).27
    27
    Indeed, the instant case is clearly a fortiori of Ross. In
    Ross, the Court was dealing with an action——a stockholders’
    derivative suit——which was historically equitable and which was
    fairly described as a “true” class action. Here we are dealing
    with tort personal injury damage suits, historically the
    quintessential legal action for Seventh Amendment purposes, and
    with a Rule 23(b)(3) class action which, at least in the personal
    injury damage suit context, has no equitable antecedents and is not
    30
    And, this Court has long held that the applicability of the Seventh
    Amendment is not altered simply because the case is Rule 23(b)(3)
    class action.    State of Alabama v. Blue Bird Body Co., Inc., 
    573 F.2d 309
    , 318 (5th Cir. 1978).28
    Similarly, use of Rule 23(b)(3) or 42(a) does not alter the
    required elements which must be found to impose liability and fix
    damages (or the burden of proof thereon) or the identity of the
    substantive law——here that of Texas——which determines such elements.
    We squarely so held in Fibreboard.      And the rules enabling act, 28
    U.S.C. § 2072 likewise mandates that conclusion.29      As we said in
    Blue Bird Body Co.:
    “This Circuit has also explained that the meaning of
    liability for antitrust purposes does not change simply
    because a trial is bifurcated under Fed. R. Civ. P.
    a “true” but rather a “spurious” class action.
    We also observe that the passing reference in Ross’s footnote
    10 to “the practical abilities and limitations of juries” has been
    explained by the Court as referring to one of the criteria to be
    used in assessing, under the “public rights” doctrine, “whether
    Congress has permissibly entrusted the resolution of certain
    disputes to an administrative agency or specialized court of
    equity, and whether jury trials would impair the functioning of the
    legislative scheme.” Granfinanciera, S.A. v. Nordberg, 
    109 S. Ct. 2782
    , 2790 n.4 (1989). See also Wright, Law of Federal Courts (5th
    ed.), § 92 at 658-59.
    28
    Further, Fed. R. Civ. P. 38(a) provides that: “The right of
    trial by jury as declared by the Seventh Amendment to the
    Constitution or as given by a statute of the United States shall be
    preserved to the parties inviolate.”        The original advisory
    committee notes reflect that:       “This rule provides for the
    preservation of the constitutional right of trial by jury as
    directed in the enabling act . . . .” See also Fed. R. Civ. P.
    42(b) (“. . . always preserving inviolate the right of trial by
    jury as declared by the Seventh Amendment to the Constitution or as
    given by a statute of the United States”).
    29
    As do also Erie and the Rules of Decision Act in diversity
    cases.
    31
    42(b). In Response of Carolina, Inc. v. Leasco Response,
    Inc., 
    537 F.2d 1307
    (5th Cir. 1976), this court stated
    that there was ‘no basis in law or logic to give
    liability different meanings depending upon the trial
    procedure used.’    
    Id. at 1321.
       The Leasco opinion
    explained that bifurcation in no way diminishes the
    requirement that a plaintiff show some evidence that a
    violation caused him injury before a defendant is found
    liable.
    . . . .
    Just as the meaning of liability does not vary
    because a trial is bifurcated, the requisite proof also
    in no way hinges upon whether or not the action is
    brought on behalf of a class under Rule 23.       It is
    axiomatic that a procedural rule cannot ‘abridge,
    enlarge, or modify any substantive right.’ [citing 28
    U.S.C. § 2072] Consequently, this court has no power to
    define differently the substantive right of individual
    plaintiffs as compared to class plaintiffs.” 
    Id. at 317-
         318 (footnote omitted; emphasis added).30
    30
    See also 
    id. at 327:
    “The holding in Shumate [Shumate & Co. v. Ntl.
    Ass’n, 
    509 F.2d 147
    (5th Cir. 1975)] affirming the
    district court’s denial of a class certification is a
    recognition by this court that the fact that a case is
    proceeding as a class action does not in any way alter
    the substantive proof required to prove up a claim for
    relief. The holding is also a recognition that ‘impact’
    is a question unique to each particular plaintiff . . .
    .”
    Similarly, the en banc Fourth Circuit stated in the anti-trust
    class action case of Windham v. American Brands, Inc., 
    565 F.2d 59
    ,
    66 (4th Cir. 1977)——which we cited with approval in Blue Bird Body
    Co., n.20——as follows:
    “While a case may present a common question of violation,
    the issues of injury and damage remain the critical
    issues in such a case and are always strictly
    individualized.
    . . . .
    Generalized or class-wide proof of damages in a private
    anti-trust action would, in addition, contravene the
    mandate of the Rules Enabling Act that the Rules of Civil
    Procedure ‘shall not abridge, enlarge or modify any
    32
    Nor is deviation from these settled principles authorized
    because these are asbestos cases whose vast numbers swamp the
    courts.   Fibreboard clearly so holds.    So, also, in Jackson v.
    Johns-Manville Sales Corp., 
    750 F.2d 1314
    (5th Cir. 1985), cert.
    denied, 
    106 S. Ct. 3339
    (1986), a diversity asbestos case arising in
    Mississippi, we declined to adopt a federal common law rule for
    asbestos cases (or to certify to the United States Supreme Court
    whether to do so), stating:
    “. . . [U]nder our federal system Congress is generally
    the body responsible for balancing competing interests
    and setting national policy. There is no doubt that a
    desperate need exists for federal legislation in the
    field of asbestos litigation. Congress’ silence on the
    matter, however, hardly authorizes the federal judiciary
    to assume for itself the responsibility for formulating
    what essentially are legislative solutions. Displacement
    of state law is primarily a decision for Congress, and
    Congress has yet to act. . . .” 
    Id. at 1327.
    When, after Fibreboard, the district court adopted the present
    trial plan, it initially justified doing so on the basis of its
    conclusion that “the Texas Supreme Court, if faced with the facts
    of this case, would apply a collective liability theory, such as
    the Court’s plan, to an asbestos consolidated action.”31   The court
    based this conclusion on a passage in Gaulding v. Celotex Corp.,
    
    772 S.W.2d 66
    , 71 (Tex. 1989), stating “We are not to be construed
    substantive right.’”   (Footnotes omitted).
    31
    As previously observed, after Fibreboard the district court
    at first determined to follow the Jenkins multiple mini-trials
    format (see note 
    8, supra
    ), but some months later changed its mind
    and devised the present plan; the quoted language comes from the
    latter opinion-order.   It may also be noted that in its final
    published opinion in this matter, Cimino, 
    751 F. Supp. 649
    , the
    district court does not again advert to the idea that Texas would
    apply some sort of collective liability theory.
    33
    as approving or disapproving alternative liability, concert of
    action, enterprise liability, or market share liability in an
    appropriate case.” We are compelled to reject the district court’s
    conclusion for each of several independently sufficient reasons.
    To begin with, it is contrary to Fibreboard, which plainly holds
    that under Texas substantive law causation of plaintiff’s injury by
    defendant’s product and plaintiff’s resultant damages must be
    determined     as   to   “individuals,   not   groups.”32   Fibreboard’s
    determination of Texas law is precedent which binds this panel.
    See, e.g., F.D.I.C v. Abraham, 
    137 F.3d 264
    , 268-69 (5th Cir.
    1998); Broussard v. Southern Pacific Transportation Company, 
    665 F.2d 1387
    , 1389 (5th Cir. 1982) (en banc).         Gaulding furnishes no
    basis to depart form Fibreboard because it was quoted and relied on
    32
    Thus, we held in Fibreboard:
    “Texas has made its policy choices in defining the duty
    owed by manufacturers and suppliers of products to
    consumers.     These choices are reflected in the
    requirement that a plaintiff prove both causation and
    damage.   In Texas, it is a ‘fundamental principle of
    traditional products liability law . . . that the
    plaintiffs must prove that the defendant supplied the
    product which caused the injury.’ [citing Gaulding]
    These elements focus upon individuals, not groups. The
    same may be said, and with even greater confidence, of
    wage losses, pain and suffering, and other elements of
    compensation.” 
    Id. at 711
    (footnotes omitted; emphasis
    added).
    See also 
    id. at 711-712,
    invalidating procedure because it “cannot
    focus upon such issues as individual causation, but ultimately must
    accept general causation as sufficient, contrary to Texas law” and
    “it does not allow proof that a particular defendant’s asbestos
    ‘really’ caused a particular plaintiff’s disease; the only ‘fact’
    that can be proved is that in most cases the defendant’s asbestos
    would have been the cause.” 
    Id. at 712
    (footnote omitted; original
    emphasis).
    34
    therein.   Fibreboard at 711, n.4.        No Texas appellate decision or
    statute subsequent to Fibreboard casts doubt on the correctness of
    its reading of Texas law.      In the second place, even were we not
    bound by Fibreboard we would reach the same conclusion it did,
    namely that under Texas personal injury products liability law
    causation and damages are determined respecting plaintiffs as
    “individuals, not groups.”     We know of no Texas appellate decision
    which in that or a similar context has even approved of in dicta,
    much less adopted, the theories of “alternative liability, concert
    of action, enterprise liability, or market share liability” which
    Gaulding states it was not “approving or disapproving.” 
    Id. at 71.
    “We have long followed the principle that we will not create
    ‘innovative theories of recovery or defense’ under local law, but
    will rather merely apply it ‘as it currently exists.’”          Johnson v.
    Sawyer, 
    47 F.3d 716
    , 726 (5th Cir. 1995) (en banc) (citations
    omitted). Consistent with that principle, we have on more than one
    occasion expressly refused to hold that Louisiana would apply a
    market share liability theory to asbestos personal injury claims,
    where no   Louisiana    appellate    decision   had   either   done   so   or
    declined to do so.      Thompson v. Johns-Manville Sales Corp., 
    714 F.2d 581
    , 583 (5th Cir. 1983) (refusing to hold that Louisiana
    would adopt either “enterprise” or “market share” liability; noting
    “[b]oth theories represent radical departures from traditional
    theories of tort liability” and “[s]uch departures are for the
    Louisiana courts, not for us”); Bateman v. Johns-Manville Sales
    Corp.,   
    781 F.2d 1132
    ,   1133   (5th    Cir.   1986)   (market   share
    35
    liability). See also Jefferson v. Lead Industries Ass’n, Inc., 
    106 F.3d 1245
        (5th   Cir.   1997)   (declining   to   adopt   market   share
    liability in Louisiana diversity suit for lead paint poisoning);
    Rhynes v. Branick Mfg. Co., 
    629 F.2d 409
    (5th Cir. 1980) (declining
    to adopt “product line” liability theory in Texas diversity case).33
    We apply Texas law as it currently exits, which is correctly stated
    in Fibreboard.34        Finally, it is clear that this case was neither
    tried nor determined on any of “the collective liability theories”
    mentioned in Gaulding.         See 
    id. at 71.35
    33
    In Thompson, Bateman, and Jefferson, we also declined to
    certify the issue to the Louisiana Supreme Court. Rhynes does not
    mention certification.
    34
    We also note that in Gaulding the Texas Supreme Court
    observed concerning the “concert of action” theory that “[m]ost
    jurisdictions that have considered this theory have rejected its
    application to latent disease product liability cases which involve
    numerous manufacturers,” 
    id. at 69,
    and concerning the “enterprise
    liability” theory that it “has been rejected by virtually all other
    jurisdictions [apart from the Eastern District of New York] that
    have considered this concept.” 
    Id. at 70.
    The Restatement Third,
    Torts: Products Liability expressly declines to take a position on
    market share liability. 
    Id. § 15,
    comment c. The reporter’s notes
    to this section state that “[a] substantial number of courts have
    rejected the market-share approach.”
    35
    For example, there was no finding on any defendant’s market
    share. Moreover, joint and several liability were imposed, which
    Restatement Third, Torts:    Products Liability § 15, comment c
    indicates would be improper if such approach were used (“. . . if
    a court does adopt some form of proportional liability, the
    liability of each defendant is properly limited to the individual
    defendant’s share of the market. The rules of joint and several
    liability are incompatible with a market-share approach to
    causation”). As to “concert of action,” there was no finding of
    any concert. As to “enterprise liability,” there was no finding
    that “the risks inherent in asbestos . . . products were jointly
    controlled by the defendants.”    Gaulding at 70.    “Alternative
    liability” is plainly inapplicable here as it applies only where
    “acts of negligence are simultaneously committed by two or more
    tortfeasors and only one act results in injury . . . [w]hen a
    plaintiff fails to join all possible defendants, alternative does
    36
    Thus, the question becomes:       did the implemented trial plan
    include a litigated determination, consistent with the Seventh
    Amendment, of the Texas-law mandated issues of whether, as to each
    individual plaintiff, Pittsburgh Corning’s product was a cause of
    his complained-of condition and, if so, the damages that plaintiff
    suffered as a result.
    We turn first to the phase III plaintiffs.           In these cases,
    the trial plan was adequately individualized and preserved Seventh
    Amendment rights with respect to each individual’s actual damages
    from an asbestos-related disease.       However, it was not designed or
    intended to, and did not, provide any trial or any determination of
    whether a Pittsburgh Corning product was a cause of that disease.36
    It was strictly a damages trial as to those individual plaintiffs.
    The   stipulation——not   entered   into   until   midway    through   phase
    III——established merely that “some” individuals working in each of
    the listed crafts, “during” each of the four decades 1942-1982 and
    not apply.” 
    Id. at 69
    (emphasis added). See also In Re Benedectin
    Litigation, 
    857 F.2d 290
    , 312 (3d Cir. 1988), cert. denied, 
    488 U.S. 1006
    (1989) (applicable “only when two or more defendants have
    been at fault, and one and only one caused the injury”);
    Restatement Second, Torts § 433 B comment h, which states that
    cases applying the doctrine “all have been cases in which all of
    the actors involved have been joined as defendants. All of these
    cases have involved conduct simultaneous in time, or substantially
    so, . . . .” Here these factors are not met: the wrongful conduct
    of the defendants was not simultaneous or substantially so (e.g.,
    Fibreboard produced and sold asbestos products to which many
    plaintiffs were allegedly exposed decades before Pittsburgh Corning
    entered the business); the conduct of several parties, not only
    one, allegedly caused the complained of injuries; and it is not
    shown that all manufacturers of asbestos products to which all
    plaintiffs were exposed were joined.
    36
    Nor was there any summary judgment, or judgment under Fed.
    R. Civ. P. 50, rendered on that issue.
    37
    at each of the twenty-two worksites, “were exposed to asbestos”
    with “sufficient length and intensity to cause pulmonary asbestosis
    of varying degrees” and that “an asbestos-containing product of
    Pittsburgh Corning Corporation was present during the decades 1962-
    1982 at the specified worksites.”           It was expressly not stipulated
    “that any members of the various crafts at the various worksites
    had   the   same   exposure     to   any    products,”   or    “that   any    such
    individuals    had    the   same     susceptibility      to    asbestos-related
    diseases in     the   various    crafts     and   worksites,”    or    that   “any
    individual plaintiff was in fact exposed to injurious quantities of
    asbestos from the products of any defendant.”                 Phase III did not
    litigate or determine whether or to what extent any of the one
    hundred sixty individual plaintiffs was exposed to Pittsburgh
    Corning’s——or any other defendant’s——asbestos, or was exposed to
    asbestos at any of the twenty-two worksites, or whether any such
    exposure was in fact a cause of that plaintiff’s illness or
    disease.      Nor did phase III litigate or determine either any
    individual plaintiff’s past connection with any particular worksite
    or craft, or whether or to what extent such individual was exposed
    to asbestos otherwise than at any of the specified worksites.37
    37
    Incidental general background and work history testimony as
    to many of these one hundred sixty plaintiffs reflects claimed
    extensive asbestos exposure at many locations other than the
    twenty-two worksites, both within the general southeast Texas area,
    elsewhere in the state, and at numerous locations in other states
    (none of which were claimed to contain Pittsburgh Corning
    asbestos), as well as lengthy exposure prior to 1962, and even
    prior to 1942. For example, one phase III plaintiff’s exposure
    apparently commenced before 1933; another was first exposed in
    Oregon in 1942, later moved to Texas doing construction work “at
    different locations around Texas,” and began experiencing weakness
    38
    Indeed, for the most part exposure evidence was not allowed and the
    jury was instructed to assume sufficient exposure.   Nor did phase
    III either litigate or determine whether or to what extent asbestos
    exposure, either generally or to the product of any particular
    defendant, was uniform or similar for members of any given craft at
    any one or more of the specified worksites.
    We note that at least two of the twenty-two sites actually
    each involved two plants, and another involved “the facilities” of
    a company “including” its powerhouse.   Further, Pittsburgh Corning
    tendered evidence38 that a typical refinery covers several square
    miles and indicating that at refineries, shipyards, and other
    installations asbestos exposure levels were not uniform at the site
    or throughout a craft or within a decade or between decades, and
    that most individuals employed at the twenty-two worksites did not
    have sufficient exposure to cause asbestosis. Also so tendered was
    evidence indicating that exposure to asbestos below some level
    would not produce asbestosis and even above that level risks remain
    and shortness of breath sometime between 1965 and 1975; and another
    “since about 1957" had “worked primarily as a plumber and pipe
    fitter in the Waco area” during which he applied and removed
    asbestos products. Another’s working career commenced in 1961 at
    an ammunition plant in Tyler, Texas, where he remained (except for
    some two years running a small store) until 1977 or 1978 and was
    exposed to asbestos there; thereafter and until 1989 he worked in
    construction at various jobs around Texas, including at Mount
    Pleasant and in paper mills, and in at least eight other states,
    and was exposed to asbestos; in “the early ‘80's” he began to feel
    weaker; in 1986 he was diagnosed with asbestosis; and in 1989 he
    returned to work at the Tyler ammunition plant where he remained
    employed at trial.
    38
    The stipulation reserved it the right to do so and reflects
    that the district court would adhere to its trial plan
    notwithstanding any such tenders.
    39
    very low until a multiple of five or ten or twenty times the
    threshold level is reached;39 that not all those exposed to asbestos
    in substantial quantities and for protracted periods of time
    develop asbestosis; that asbestosis develops in “a relatively small
    percentage of patients with significant asbestos exposure”; and,
    that although there is a dose response relationship——the more
    exposure   the   more   risk,   the   less,   the   less   risk——respecting
    asbestosis, nevertheless the effect of the same exposure is not the
    same as between different individuals and “two similarly exposed
    asbestos workers with exactly the same asbestos historical exposure
    can go on to have in one case asbestosis and the other case no lung
    problems.”   Moreover, we have held, in a Texas law diversity case,
    that “the appropriate test for a [plaintiff’s] minimum showing of
    producing cause in asbestos cases” is that stated in Lohrmann v.
    Pittsburgh Corning Corp., 
    782 F.2d 1156
    (4th Cir. 1986), namely the
    “‘frequency-regularity-proximity’ test” under which “a motion for
    summary judgment cannot be defeated merely by alleging work at a
    shipyard in which defendants’ asbestos products had somewhere been
    present.   Rather, there must be proof of frequent and regular work
    39
    Also, that lung cancer, in addition to being caused by
    smoking and asbestos exposure, can be caused by exposure to
    radiation,    chromium,   arsenic,    and   polynuclear    aromatic
    hydrocarbons, and that exposure to such known causes of lung cancer
    “are very frequent in both shipyards and the petrochemical
    industry”; that because of the long latency of asbestos-related
    lung cancer——generally 25 to 30 years, sometimes as short as 10 to
    15 years——”if an individual were exposed to asbestos only a few
    years prior to the diagnosis of lung cancer, that asbestos would
    not be able to be incriminated” (and “exposures occurring 15 years
    prior to diagnosis of lung cancer are not going to be as important
    as exposures 30 or 35 years prior to diagnosis of lung cancer in
    terms of being causally related”).
    40
    in an area of the shipyard in proximity to some specific item of
    defendants’ asbestos containing product.”              Slaughter v. Southern
    Talc. Co., 
    949 F.2d 167
    , 171 (5th Cir. 1991) (emphasis added).40
    It is important to note that this is merely a minimum showing;
    Slaughter makes clear that making such a showing merely gets a
    plaintiff to the jury, it does not entitled him to judgment as a
    matter of law.          See 
    id. at 173.
         Further, it is obvious that for
    these        purposes   a   shipyard   is    not   considered   as   a   single,
    undifferentiated, and uniform mass.
    We have noted that the district court, in the order in which
    it initially adopted the present plan, stated that for purposes of
    the then-contemplated phase II trial it would “make a non-jury
    determination as to which Plaintiffs or Plaintiffs’ decedents
    worked for a sufficient period of time at each worksite so as to be
    a proper member of that worksite’s group and which Plaintiffs were
    proper members of each of the crafts at these worksites. . . .”              As
    previously observed, after phase I the case proceeded directly into
    phase III without any phase II, and the stipulation was not entered
    into until phase III was half complete.             It is not clear that the
    district court ever determined that any (or, if so, which) of the
    tried one hundred sixty phase III plaintiffs, or that any (or if
    so, which) of the unsevered extrapolation plaintiffs, actually did
    work at the worksites “for a sufficient period of time” to be
    “proper members of each of the crafts at these worksites.”               And, if
    40
    Slaughter also observed that this test had been adopted by
    all but three circuit courts and by some eight states. 
    Id. at 171
    n.3.
    41
    such determinations were made, it is not clear what criteria were
    employed and what source or sources of information were utilized
    either in selecting or in applying the criteria.      In any event, it
    is clear not only that any such determination was made non-jury,
    but further that it was made without either any evidentiary (or
    other) hearing or any summary judgment procedure (or Fed. R. Civ.
    P. 50 motion).    Accordingly, no such determination can serve to
    justify or sustain the trial plan as implemented.
    With one exception, noted below, we are aware of no appellate
    decision    approving   such   a   group,   rather   than   individual,
    determination of cause in a damage suit for personal injuries to
    individuals at widely different times and places.      For example, in
    a personal injury suit by individuals living in the neighborhood of
    a landfill allegedly contaminated by defendant, the Sixth Circuit
    remarked:
    “Thus, the court, as is appropriate in this type of
    mass tort class action litigation, divided its causation
    analysis into two parts. It was first established that
    Velsicol was responsible for the contamination and that
    the particular contaminants were capable of producing
    injuries of the types allegedly suffered by the
    plaintiffs. Up to this point in the proceeding, the five
    representative plaintiffs were acting primarily in their
    representative capacity to the class as a whole. This
    enabled the court the determine a kind of generic
    causation——whether the combination of the chemical
    contaminants and the plaintiffs’ exposure to them had the
    capacity to cause the harm alleged. This still left the
    matter of individual proximate cause to be determined.
    Although such generic and individual causation may appear
    to be inextricably intertwined, the procedural device of
    the class action permitted the court initially to assess
    the defendant’s potential liability for its conduct
    without regard to the individual components of each
    plaintiff’s injuries. However, from this point forward,
    it became the responsibility of each individual plaintiff
    to show that his or her specific injuries or damages were
    42
    proximately caused by ingestion or otherwise using the
    contaminated water.” Sterling v. Velsicol Chemical Co.,
    
    855 F.2d 1188
    , 1200 (6th Cir. 1988).41
    See also In Re Agent Orange Product Liability Litigation, 
    818 F.2d 145
    (2d Cir. 1987), cert. denied, 
    108 S. Ct. 695
    (1988) (in appeal
    from settlement in Rule 23(b)(3) class action for agent orange
    exposure, in which general liability issues, including the military
    contractor defense, were to be tried class-wide and individual
    issues, such as each individual’s damages caused by exposure, “were
    to be left to individual trials,” 
    id. at 150,
    164, the court holds
    certification   proper   only   because   of   “the   centrality   of   the
    military contractor defense” and that certification “would have
    been error” in an action by civilians for exposure during civilian
    affairs, noting “[t]he relevant question . . . is not whether Agent
    Orange has the capacity to cause harm, the generic causation issue,
    but whether it did cause harm and to whom.        That determination is
    highly individualistic, and depends upon the characteristics of
    individual plaintiffs (e.g., state of health, lifestyle) and the
    nature of their exposure to Agent Orange . . .,” 
    id. at 165-166).42
    41
    This was a bench trial case, no jury apparently having been
    demanded, in which a Rule 23(b)(3) class was certified, and a trial
    held in which defendant’s culpability for contaminating the
    landfill and area water supply with chemicals generically capable
    of causing the injuries sued for was determined along with punitive
    damages and the entire claims of the five class representatives.
    Deferred for later “individual hearings” were “the issues of
    causation and injury of” each of the other class members. 
    Id. at 1194.
         42
    Cf. Valentino v. Carter-Wallace, Inc., 
    97 F.3d 1227
    , 1229,
    1234 (9th Cir. 1996) (in certifying Rule 23(b)(3) class in
    prescription drug products liability suit, district court
    “specifically excluded the individual issues of proximate
    causation, compensatory damages”; class certification reversed
    43
    The district court also justified its trial plan by reliance
    on Pettway v. American Cast Iron Pipe Co., 
    494 F.2d 211
    , 258-63
    (5th Cir. 1974), where, in a Title VII Rule 23(b)(2) class action,
    we stated that back pay could be awarded on a class-wide basis,
    using average rates of pay and approximations, and did not require
    an individual plaintiff by individual plaintiff approach. However,
    Pettway is inapplicable here, for each of several reasons.   In the
    first place, Title VII actions are entirely equitable actions43 and
    back pay awards therein are strictly equitable remedies, as we
    recognized in Pettway (“the award of back pay” is “one element of
    the equitable remedy,” 
    id. at 1125),
    and as we have held in other
    decisions both before and after Pettway.       Johnson v. Georgia
    Highway Express, Inc., 
    417 F.2d 1122
    , 1125 (5th Cir. 1969) (no
    entitlement to a jury in Title VII action seeking back pay as that
    is “an integral part of the statutory equitable remedy, to be
    determined through the exercise of the court’s discretion, and not
    by a jury”); Wilson v. Belmont Homes, 
    970 F.2d 53
    , 54-56 (5th Cir.
    because sufficient reasons not given, but rule 23(c)(4)(A)
    exclusion of individual issues essentially approved); Malcolm v.
    National Gypsum Co., 
    995 F.2d 346
    , 350-353 (2d Cir. 1993)
    (disapproving consolidation for trial of forty-eight asbestos cases
    because too many different individual exposures, crafts, worksites,
    and diseases involved); 
    Jenkins, 109 F.R.D. at 284
    (observing, in
    justifying class trial of common issues and individual trials of
    individual issues of exposure-causation and damages, “[t]he
    experience of this Court . . . has been that the verdicts that have
    been rendered in favor of defendants have been rendered on the
    basis of a plaintiff’s failure to prove exposure or to prove the
    existence of an asbestos-related injury. The defendants have not
    been successful on the state of the art defense).”
    43
    Except for certain damages claims first authorized by the
    1991 amendments thereto.
    44
    1992). See also Johnson v. Chapel Hill ISD, 
    853 F.2d 375
    , 383 (5th
    Cir. 1988) (front pay).         Thus, in Pettway there was no Seventh
    Amendment   right   to   jury   trial.    Johnson;   Wilson.   Here,   by
    contrast, we have personal injury damage suits, the protypical
    Seventh Amendment case. In the second place, Pettway involved only
    federal law, and hence this Court was not constrained by the Rules
    of Decision Act and Erie, as it is here.             Relatedly, Pettway
    involved what Johnson had characterized as an “equitable remedy, to
    be determined through the exercise of the court’s discretion,”
    while here the elements of liability and recoverable damages are
    fixed by state substantive law.44
    Nor do we consider that In Re Chevron U.S.A., Inc., 
    109 F.3d 1016
    (5th Cir. 1997), justifies the instant trial plan.            That
    action involved claims by approximately 3,000 neighboring property
    owners for personal injury and property damage allegedly caused
    contamination from Chevron’s former crude oil storage waste pit.
    Apparently no form of class action was involved, although some
    cases were consolidated.        The district court directed that thirty
    individual plaintiffs be chosen, fifteen by the plaintiffs and
    fifteen by the defendants, and that there be “a unitary trial on
    the issues of ‘general liability or causation’ on behalf of the
    remaining plaintiffs, as well as the individual causation and
    44
    Also, Pettway involved matters such as back pay among a class
    of employees, matters which by their nature are far more
    objectively measurable and far more reflected by measurable
    variables common to the group than are such inherently subjective,
    imprecise, and wholly individualized matters as physical pain,
    mental suffering, and loss of enjoyment of life which are
    significant damages elements in this kind of case.
    45
    damage issues of the [thirty] selected plaintiffs.”             
    Id. at 1017.
    Apparently, the individual causation and damage issues of the
    remaining unselected plaintiffs would be determined subsequently in
    individual trials (if the unitary trial established “liability on
    the part of Chevron for the pollutants that, allegedly, give rise
    to all of the plaintiffs’ claims,” 
    id. at 1019).
                 Chevron sought
    mandamus, contending “that the goal of the ‘unitary’ trial was to
    determine its liability, or lack thereof, in a single trial and to
    establish bellwether verdicts to which the remaining claims could
    be matched for settlement purposes.”       
    Id. at 1017.
          We stated that
    the thirty selected plaintiffs were not shown or chosen so as to be
    representative of the other plaintiffs, and observed that “[a]
    bellwether    trial   designed   to   achieve   its   value    ascertainment
    function for settlement purposes or to answer troubling causation
    or liability issues common to the universe of claimants has as a
    core element representativeness . . . .”          
    Id. at 1019
    (emphasis
    added).      We granted mandamus prohibiting “utilization of the
    results obtained from the trial of the thirty (30) selected cases
    for any purpose affecting issues or claims of, or defenses to, the
    remaining untried cases.”        While the majority opinion (one judge
    specially concurred) contains language generally looking with favor
    on the use of bellwether verdicts when shown to be statistically
    representative, this language is plainly dicta, certainly insofar
    as it might suggest that representative bellwether verdicts could
    properly be used to determine individual causation and damages for
    other plaintiffs.      Cf. 
    Sterling, 855 F.2d at 1200
    (difference
    46
    between generic and individual causation).    To begin with, no such
    question was before this Court, as the trial plan contemplated that
    individual causation and damages issues would not be controlled by
    the thirty individual bellwether verdicts, which would be used to
    encourage settlement.     Moreover, what we did——our holding——was to
    prevent any preclusive use of the unitary trial results (whether
    for general causation or individual causation or otherwise) in
    cases other than those of the thirty selected plaintiffs.45    And,
    we concluded that if the district court carried out another,
    different trial plan, that would present “matters for another panel
    to consider in the event those decisions are subject to appellate
    review.”   
    Id. at 1021.
        Finally, the majority opinion in In Re
    Chevron U.S.A. does not even cite Fibreboard, or the Seventh
    Amendment (or discuss the right to jury trial), and does not refer
    to the Texas substantive law elements of liability and damages in
    the matter before it.      Clearly, In Re Chevron U.S.A. does not
    control the result here, and this panel is not bound by its dicta.46
    In Hilao v. Estate of Marcos, 
    103 F.3d 767
    (9th Cir. 1996), a
    divided panel of the Ninth Circuit in a rule 23(b)(3) class action
    permitted recoverable tort damages to be determined in a lump sum
    for the entire class.   Hilao was a suit under the Alien Tort Claims
    45
    We also specifically stated that we expressed no opinion on
    whether the mix of claims there was such as to potentially
    authorize either bellwether trials based on appropriate sampling or
    a stand-alone, common issue trial. 
    Id. at 1021.
        46
    See, e.g., Cosden Oil v. Karl O. Helm Aktiengesellschaft, 
    736 F.2d 1064
    , 1070 n.7 (5th Cir. 1984) (“This panel, however, is not
    bound by dicta of a previous panel”); Curacao Drydock Co. v. M/V
    Akritas, 
    710 F.2d 204
    , 206 (5th Cir. 1984).
    47
    Act, and the Court essentially applied substantive principles of
    federal or international “common law.”                 See 
    id. at 776-778.
           The
    majority distinguished Fibreboard on the basis that there “the
    proposed procedure worked a change in the parties’ substantive
    rights under Texas law that was barred by the Erie doctrine.”                     
    Id. at 785
      (footnote     omitted).          By   the    same   token,     Hilao    is
    distinguishable here; it did not operate under the constraints of
    the Rules of Decision Act or Erie; the present case, by contrast,
    does operate under those constraints.                   If Hilao is not thus
    distinguishable it is simply contrary to Fibreboard, which binds us
    and which in our opinion is in any event correct.                   Further, Hilao
    did not address——and there was apparently not presented to it any
    contention concerning——the Seventh Amendment.                  Finally, we find
    ourselves in agreement with the thrust of the dissenting opinion
    there.     
    Id. at 788
    (“Even in the context of a class action,
    individual causation and individual damages must still be proved
    individually”).
    In sum, as Fibreboard held, under Texas law causation must be
    determined as to “individuals, not groups.”                    And, the Seventh
    Amendment     gives    the    right    to    a   jury     trial     to   make     that
    determination.    There was no such trial determination made, and no
    jury determined, that exposure to Pittsburgh Corning’s products was
    a cause of the asbestos disease of any of the one hundred sixty
    phase III plaintiffs.          Nor does the stipulation determine or
    establish that.       Accordingly, the judgments in all the one hundred
    forty-three    phase    III    cases   before     us    must   be    reversed     and
    48
    remanded.
    We turn now to the extrapolation cases.                     As to the matter of
    individual causation, it is obvious that the conclusion we have
    reached in respect to the phase III cases applies a fortiori to the
    extrapolation cases. In the extrapolation cases there was no trial
    and no jury determination that any individual plaintiff suffered an
    asbestos-related disease.47                Indeed, in the extrapolation cases
    there was no trial at all——by jury or otherwise——and there was no
    evidence presented.             So, our holding as to the phase III cases
    necessarily       requires       reversal     of    the    judgments     in    the    five
    extrapolation cases before us.
    As to the matter of actual damages, the extrapolation cases
    are likewise fatally defective. Unlike the phase III cases, in the
    extrapolation          cases     there     was     neither      any   sort     of    trial
    determination,         let     alone   a   jury    determination,        nor   even    any
    evidence, of damages.             The district court considered that these
    deficiencies were adequately compensated for by awarding each
    extrapolation          case    plaintiff     who    alleged     an    asbestos-related
    disease an amount of actual damages equal to the average of the
    awards made in the phase III cases for plaintiffs claiming the same
    category of disease. This plainly contravenes Fibreboard’s holding
    that under the substantive law of Texas recoverable damages are the
    “wage        losses,    pain     and     suffering,       and    other    elements      of
    compensation” suffered by each of the several particular plaintiffs
    47
    Nor was there any summary judgment or Rule 50 judgment in
    that respect.    In some few of the cases, an asbestos-related
    disease may have been admitted.
    49
    as “individuals, not groups.”      We also observe in this connection
    that none of the experts at the extrapolation hearing puported to
    say that the damages suffered by the phase III plaintiffs in a
    given disease category (whether as disclosed by the phase III
    evidence or as found by the jury) were to any extent representative
    of the damages suffered by the extrapolation plaintiffs in the same
    disease    category.48    The    procedure    also   violates     Pittsburgh
    Corning’s Seventh Amendment right to have the amount of the legally
    recoverable damages fixed and determined by a jury.                The only
    juries that spoke to actual damages, the phase I and III juries,
    received evidence only of the damages to the particular plaintiffs
    before them, were called on to determine only, and only determined,
    each of those some one hundred seventy particular plaintiffs’
    actual damages individually and severally (not on any kind of a
    group basis), and were not called on to determine, and did not
    detrmine   or   purport   to   determine,    the   damages   of   any   other
    48
    As previously observed, see notes 23, 24, and 
    25, supra
    , and
    accompanying text, comparability or representativeness were
    measured and found only in terms of certain specified variables,
    and these did not include, for example, matters which anyone
    claimed were representative of physical pain, mental suffering,
    loss of enjoyment of life, wage loss (past or future), or medical
    expenses. Similarly, Professor Frankewitz “made no attempt . . .
    to correlate or to identify any results or factors . . . that would
    predict or estimate what jury awards might be” and stated that none
    of what he did “related to magnitude of verdicts.”
    We also note that the testimony at the extrapolation hearing,
    particularly that of Dr. Dement and Professor Frankewitz, was
    fatally flawed because their information as to the distribution of
    the variables among the extrapolation plaintiffs (and to a large
    extent among the phase III plaintiffs) was simply based on what
    they had been furnished by clerks or paralegals in the office of
    plaintiffs’ counsel, who did all the assignment of variables (and
    in some cases their interpretation) to particular plaintiffs, and
    was not supported by independent evidence.
    50
    plaintiffs or group of plaintiffs.49     We have held that “inherent
    in the Seventh Amendment guarantee of a trial by jury is the
    general right of a litigant to have only one jury pass on a common
    issue of fct.”     Blue Bird Body 
    Co., 573 F.2d at 318
    .   This requires
    that if separate trial are ordered, the separately tried issues
    must be “distinct and separable from the others.”         
    Id. See also
    Matter of Rhone Poulenc, 
    51 F.3d 1293
    (7th Cir.), cert. denied, 
    116 S. Ct. 184
    (1995).50      By the same token, where the issues to be
    49
    And we note that the phase III verdicts within each disease
    category varied quite significantly.      There were mesothelioma
    verdicts of $200,000 and of over $2 million, lung cancer verdicts
    of $150,000 and of over $1 million, asbestosis verdicts of less
    than $100,000 and of over $1 million, pleural verdicts of $150,000
    and of over $1 million.    There were also twelve zero verdicts.
    And, Professor Hazel “was struck” by the differences in verdicts as
    between the two different juries that tried the phase III cases.
    The phase III juries did not make average awards, they made a
    series of very different individual awards.      The averages were
    created by others after the fact. And, if we look to averages, we
    note that the average phase III verdict in pleural cases was higher
    than that in both lung cancer and asbestosis cases, contrary to the
    almost universal view that pleural disease is less serious and less
    disabling than either lung cancer or asbestosis (and that of all
    asbestos personal injury cases pleural cases have the least
    settlement value).    Professor Hazel was unable to suggest any
    explanation for this discrepancy.
    50
    There the Seventh Circuit stated:
    “. . . the judge must not divide issues between separate
    trials in such a way that the same issue is reexamined by
    different juries. . . . The right to a jury trial in
    federal civil cases, conferred by the Seventh Amendment,
    is a right to have juriable issues determined by the
    first jury impaneled to hear them (provided there are no
    errors warranting a new trial), and not reexamined by
    another finder of fact. This would be obvious if the
    second finder of fact were a judge. . . . But it is
    equally true if it is another jury.” 
    Id. at 1303.
    Similarly, where legal and equitable claims share one or more
    overlapping common factual issues, the legal issues must first be
    tried to the jury to protect Seventh Amendment rights that could be
    51
    separately tried are separable and distinct, the Seventh Amendment
    rights of the parties are preserved as to both sets of issues.
    Blue   Bird   Body     
    Co., 573 F.2d at 318
    .     As    the   cited   cases
    demonstrate, these principles are fully applicable in class actions
    for damages. It necessarily follows from these principles that the
    jury’s phase III findings of the actual damages of each of the
    individual phase III plaintiffs cannot control the determination
    of, or afford any basis for denial of Pittsburgh-Corning’s Seventh
    Amendment     rights    to    have   a   jury     determine,     the    distinct   and
    separable issues of the actual damages of each of the extrapolation
    plaintiffs.51
    We conclude that the extrapolation case judgments, as well as
    the phase III judgments, are fatally flawed, are contrary to the
    dictates of Fibreboard, and contravene Pittsburgh-Corning’s Seventh
    Amendment rights.       We do not act in ignorance or disregard of the
    asbestos crises.        In Amchem Products, Inc. v. Windsor, 
    117 S. Ct. 2231
    , 2237-38 (1997), the Supreme Court called attention to the
    report of the Judicial Conference’s Ad Hoc Committee on Asbestos
    Litigation,     stating       that   “Real     reform,    the    report   concluded,
    required federal legislation creating a national asbestos-dispute
    resolution scheme.”           
    Id. at 2238.
           The Court also observed, “The
    argument is sensibly made that a nationwide administrative claims
    infringed by prior bench trial determination of the common issues.
    Roscello v. Southwest Airlines, 
    726 F.2d 217
    , 221 (5th Cir. 1984).
    51
    Nor are we aware of any legally valid ground on which the
    personal injury damages suffered by one person may be determined,
    without any evidence, solely on the basis of the average of awards
    made to other persons in similar cases.
    52
    processing     regime   would    provide    the    most   secure,      fair,   and
    efficient means of compensating victims of asbestos exposure.
    Congress, however, has not adopted such a solution.”                  
    Id. at 2252
    (footnote omitted). Nevertheless, the Court refused to stretch the
    law to fill the gap resulting from congressional inaction.                   As we
    said in Fibreboard, federal courts must remain faithful to Erie and
    must maintain “the separation of powers between the judicial and
    legislative branches.”          
    Id. at 711
    .52      “The Judicial Branch can
    offer the trial of lawsuits.         It has no power or competence to do
    more.”    
    Id. at 712.
    We accordingly reverse the judgments before us in all the one
    hundred    forty-three      phase   III    cases    and   in    all    the     five
    extrapolation cases, and those one hundred forty-eight cases are
    remanded for further proceedings not inconsistent herewith.
    B. Other Pittsburgh Corning Contentions;
    Plaintiffs’ Cross-Appeal as to Pittsburgh Corning
    We turn now to Pittsburgh Corning’s remaining claims of error
    and to plaintiffs’ cross-appeal as to Pittsburgh Corning.                        In
    light of our above holding, we pretermit any consideration of any
    remaining claims of Pittsburgh corning, and of any claims of error
    raised    by   plaintiffs   in    their    cross-appeal    as   to    Pittsburgh
    52
    Cf. Granfinanciera, SA v. Nordberg, 
    109 S. Ct. 2782
    , 2790 n.4,
    2795-97 (1989) (indicating that under the “public rights” doctrine
    Congress can, even in some cases not involving the federal
    government, sometimes limit what might otherwise be Seventh
    Amendment rights, when it acts for a valid legislative purpose
    under Article I and has created a seemingly private right so
    closely integrated into a public regulatory scheme as to be a
    matter appropriate for agency or specialized court resolution, and
    has assigned its adjudication to such an agency or specialized
    court, and jury trials would impair the functioning of the scheme).
    53
    Corning, which relate solely to some or all of the phase III cases
    or some or all of the extrapolation cases or solely to both.                        Any
    other     claims    of   Pittsburgh    Corning,      and    plaintiffs       on   their
    referenced cross-appeal, we consider solely insofar as they pertain
    to the nine judgments in the phase I class representative cases.
    We first consider Pittsburgh Corning’s contentions; to the extent
    they sufficiently relate to the same subject matter, we consider
    plaintiffs’        cross-appeal     contentions      along    with     the     related
    Pittsburgh Corning contention.
    1.     Prejudgment Interest
    The district court held that prejudgment interest on past
    actual damages accrued at the expiration of six months after the
    plaintiff’s last exposure.            Pittsburgh Corning contends, inter
    alia, that such accrual date is too early; plaintiffs in their
    cross-appeal contend it is too late.              In Owens-Illinois, Inc. v.
    Estate of Burt, 
    897 S.W.2d 765
    (Tex. 1995), the Texas Supreme Court
    held that in asbestos personal injury actions prejudgment interest
    commences    to     accrue   six    months   after    the    date    the   defendant
    received notice of the claim or the date the lawsuit was filed,
    whichever is earlier.53            The awards of prejudgment interest are
    hence vacated and remanded for recalculation.
    2.     Miscellaneous Asserted Trial Errors
    Pittsburgh          Corning    complains     that      the     district      court
    53
    Strictly speaking, this holding was directed to cases filed
    before September 2, 1987, but the court stated that it was
    “consistent with the current prejudgment interest statute which is
    applicable to actions commenced on or after September 2, 1987.”
    
    Id. at 769.
    54
    erroneously       excluded    evidence    it   tendered   of    studies      by   Dr.
    Selikoff concerning the incidence of cancer among refinery workers.
    However, this claim as briefed to us relates only to the phase III
    cases; and, in the motion for new trial hearing Pittsburgh Corning
    stated “we didn’t really use the refinery worker studies as such in
    the Phase I trial.          We tried to use it in Phase 3, but in Phase 1
    we used many studies other than the fivefold insulator study of Dr.
    Selikoff” and that prejudice was reflected as to phase III by the
    fact that “the [phase III] verdicts are multiples [of] what the
    compensatory results were in Phase I.                I think it’s a striking
    contrast.”       Pittsburgh Corning also complains about being limited
    as    to   its   presentation    of   smoking    evidence      and   of     the   jury
    instructions in that regard. Again, as briefed in this Court, this
    claim appears focused largely on phase III; and, at the motion for
    new    trial     hearing,    Pittsburgh    Corning    observed       that    smoking
    evidence was allowed in the phase I trial and that of the ten phase
    I cases there was a defense verdict in one case and contributory
    negligence findings in four other cases, and in essence conceded
    that this claim was viable only as to phase III.                We conclude that
    the refinery study and smoking contentions present no reversible
    error respecting the phase I cases.
    Pittsburgh Corning complains that plaintiffs’ counsel engaged
    in repeated improper appeals to bias, passion, and prejudice, as a
    result of which the phase I jury awards (and those in phase III,
    which we do not address) were excessive. While Pittsburgh Corning,
    understandably perhaps, rather exaggerates in this connection, it
    55
    is nevertheless regrettably true that plaintiffs’ counsel stepped
    well out of line on several occasions.     However, as to virtually
    all of these instances in which Pittsburgh Corning made objection,
    the objection was promptly and properly sustained and, on request,
    an appropriate instruction was given.     Some of what is raised on
    appeal in this connection was not objected to below.    Considering
    the phase I evidence and verdicts, the length of the phase I trial,
    and the trial court’s rulings, we are not persuaded that reversible
    error has been demonstrated or that manifest injustice would result
    by allowing the verdict to stand.     See Johnson v. Ford Motor Co.,
    
    988 F.2d 573
    , 582 (5th Cir. 1993); Mills v. Beech Aircraft Corp.,
    Inc., 
    886 F.2d 758
    , 765 (5th Cir. 1989); Wilson v. Johns-Manville
    Sales Corp., 
    810 F.2d 1358
    , 1362 (5th Cir.), cert. denied, 
    484 U.S. 828
    (1987).54
    Pittsburgh Corning asserts error in the trial court’s refusal
    to furnish the prospective jurors a list of all the over two
    thousand class members so the jurors could be questioned about
    whether they knew any of them.   The district court determined that
    this was impractical and unnecessary.    The prospective jurors had
    the ten individual class representatives identified to them.   Each
    54
    As to Pittsburgh Corning’s complaint that one of its
    witnesses was served with a subpoena in the courtroom just after
    testifying, the service occurred during a break, outside the
    presence of the jury and the judge. When the proceedings resumed,
    the district court reprimanded plaintiffs’ counsel.     Pittsburgh
    Corning mentions adverse audience reaction on a couple of
    occasions, but the district court properly handled those matters.
    Neither of these occurrences, or the use of the demonstrative box
    alluded to by Pittsburgh Corning, presents any reversible error,
    whether considered alone or in the aggregate with the other claims
    in this connection.
    56
    prospective juror had already filled out a 53-part questionnaire,
    and the completed questionnaires were available to counsel.              Among
    other things, this questionnaire asked whether the prospective
    juror knew anyone suffering from an asbestos-related disease and,
    in a separate question, whether the prospective juror “knew of
    anyone who has or had a lawsuit concerning alleged asbestos-related
    injuries.”     If the latter question were answered “yes,” the person
    or persons so known were to be named and an explanation given.55
    The district judge’s questioning of the prospective jurors resulted
    in several being excused because of their relationship with persons
    who suffered from asbestos-related disease.56 The parties were then
    afforded an opportunity to voir dire the prospective jurors,
    including asking individuals about their answers to the above
    identified questions on the questionnaire. And, Pittsburgh Corning
    did    ask   certain   jurors   about    their   referenced   answers.     No
    complaint is made that voir dire by counsel was unduly restricted
    in this respect.       A district judge generally has broad discretion
    in determining how best to conduct voir dire, United States v.
    Greer, 
    968 F.2d 433
    , 435, 441 (5th Cir. 1992), cert. denied, 
    113 S. Ct. 1390
    (1993), but that discretion is abused if the scope of
    voir dire is inadequate to discover bias or deprives a party of an
    opportunity to make reasonably intelligent use of his peremptory
    55
    Another separate question asked “have you read, heard about
    or seen any reports about court cases or lawsuits about asbestos,”
    with a “yes” answer calling for an explanation.
    56
    The district court also asked the prospective jurors whether,
    should they later learn that someone they knew was a member of the
    class, they could set that aside in their deliberations.
    57
    challenges.        
    Id. at 435,
       443.        Considering        together     the
    questionnaire,     the   court’s      questions      to    the    panel,    and   the
    individual voir dire allowed the parties, we conclude that no abuse
    of discretion has been shown, although the better practice would
    have been to furnish the prospective jurors the class list.
    3.    Recusal
    We reject, as we earlier did in denying Pittsburgh Corning’s
    petition for mandamus raising the identical contentions, Pittsburgh
    Corning’s claims that the district judge who initially primarily
    presided over these cases should have recused himself earlier, as
    well as that the successor district judge did not properly rule on
    their    motions   raising    that    matter.        After       again   thoroughly
    considering the matter, we find these contentions to be without
    merit.
    4.    Exemplary Damages
    Pittsburgh Corning raises several challenges to the award of
    exemplary damages.        It complains of the admission of evidence
    concerning its Tyler asbestos plant.              Although none of the class
    had worked there and the asbestos exposure there was far greater
    than at the twenty-two sites at issue, the evidence was relevant to
    the exemplary      damages    issue    as   having    some       tendency   to    show
    Pittsburgh Corning was aware of, and consciously indifferent to,
    the risks posed by the asbestos it manufactured.                         A limiting
    instruction was given in this connection.                 No abuse of discretion
    in the admission of this evidence has been established.                     See King
    v. Anthony world Industries, 
    906 F.2d 1022
    , 1026 (5th Cir. 1990),
    58
    cert. denied, 
    500 U.S. 942
    (1991).
    Further complaint is made by Pittsburgh Corning as to the
    district court’s instructions concerning exemplary damages and what
    was necessary to find in order to impose them.                 To the extent that
    these contentions are predicated on proper objections made at
    trial, we conclude that the instructions, when taken and considered
    as a whole, were adequate, though not perfect, and that any
    deficiency    did    not   prejudice     Pittsburgh        Corning’s    substantial
    rights.    See Russell v. Plano Bank & Trust, 
    130 F.3d 715
    , 719 (5th
    Cir. 1997).    Some challenges to the instructions that Pittsburgh
    Corning now raises are not supported by proper objection below, and
    as to these we conclude that reversal under the plain error
    doctrine is not appropriate here.             
    Id. at 719,
    721.         The use of a
    multiplier to determine punitive damages is likewise challenged by
    Pittsburgh    Corning.        However,       our   decisions     in    Jenkins     and
    Fibreboard    mandate      rejection    of    that   challenge.        It   is    also
    contended that the multiplier of three that the jury assigned to
    Pittsburgh Corning is excessive, both generally and as a matter of
    due process.    We reject this contention.               See Edwards v. Armstrong
    World Industries, 
    911 F.2d 1151
    , 1154-55 (5th Cir. 1990).57                         In
    another variation of its excessiveness argument, Pittsburgh Corning
    calls    attention    to   the   fact    that      the    district    court,     after
    57
    We note that neither Pittsburgh Corning nor plaintiffs sought
    to submit evidence of Pittsburgh Corning’s financial resources or
    insurance coverage or evidence of other asbestos damage awards of
    any kind which Pittsburgh Corning had paid or as to which final
    judgments were outstanding against it.          See Owens-Corning
    Fibreglass v. Malone, __ S.W.2d __, 
    41 Tex. Sup. Ct. J. 877
    , 
    1998 WL 288690
    (Tex. 1998).
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    initially concluding that the multiplier applied to all actual
    damages, granted a remittitur by its ruling that the multiplier
    applied only to the share of actual damages for which Pittsburgh
    Corning was liable.    This, says Pittsburgh Corning, was an eighty
    percent reduction (much larger, it says, in the phase III and
    extrapolation cases), and under Wells v. Dallas ISD, 
    793 F.2d 679
    ,
    683-84 (5th Cir. 1986), mandates a new trial.            We disagree.     The
    district court initially observed that as to punitive damages,
    “[t]he jury verdict is well supported by the evidence and does not
    offend the Texas proportionality rule.” Although it then concluded
    that the multiplier should apply to the entire amount of actual
    damages found, it reserved “for another day” whether “for equitable
    considerations   or   by   way   of   remittitur”   it   should   limit   the
    multiplier to the share of actual damages for which Pittsburgh
    Corning would be liable. It ultimately so limited the multiplier.58
    In doing so, however, the court expressly stated “This Court does
    not find the amount of the multipliers to be excessive as to
    suggest that passion rather than reason motivated the jury.”              The
    Court went on, in the same opinion, to state:
    “Taking into account equitable considerations, and
    in the nature of a remittitur, the Court has decided to
    apply the multipliers set for a defendant to that
    defendant’s allocated share of actual damages.      This
    ruling also most closely comports with the holding in
    Edwards v. Armstrong World Industries, 
    Inc., 911 F.2d at 1154
    .”
    Plaintiffs contend “there was not an actual remittitur.” Given the
    58
    Plaintiffs do not challenge this ruling in their cross-
    appeal.
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    district court’s having expressly found that the multiplier verdict
    was well supported by the evidence, was proportional, and was the
    product of reason, not passion, it appears to us that the court was
    in part interpreting the jury’s verdict——which, after all, was a
    multiplier, not a stated sum——in accordance with its most likely
    intent and in part was attempting to conform the judgment to the
    assumptions implicit in our Edwards decision.         In that Texas law
    diversity suit for asbestos personal injury damages, we “review[ed]
    the proportionality of the punitive damage award against Celotex in
    comparison with its allocated share of actual damages” and, so
    doing, did “not find it so excessive as to suggest that passion
    rather than reason motivated the jury.”      
    Id. at 1154.
      Based on the
    foregoing, it is clear to us that the doctrine of Wells v. Dallas
    ISD is   not   applicable   here.    We   reject   Pittsburgh   Corning’s
    challenges to the punitive damage award.
    Plaintiffs present two challenges to the punitive damages
    award.   First, they contend that the multiplier should be applied
    not only to the actual damages awarded by the jury, but also to the
    prejudgment interest which was subsequently awarded by the court.
    They contend in this connection that Texas law regards prejudgment
    interest as a component of actual damages, citing, among other
    cases, Benavides v. Isles Construction Co., 
    726 S.W.2d 23
    , 25 (Tex.
    1987); Paramore v. Nehring, 
    792 S.W.2d 210
    (Tex. App.——Austin 1990,
    no writ); El Paso County Water Imp. Dist. No. 1 v. Grijalua, 
    783 S.W.2d 736
    , 740 (Tex. App.——El Paso 1990), writ denied, 
    795 S.W.2d 705
    (Tex. 1990); and Wood v. Armco, 
    814 F.2d 211
    , 215 (5th Cir.
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    1987).    These cases do not address the issue now before us.              Many
    of them, such as Benavides, El Paso County Water Imp. Dist. No. 1,
    and Wood are essentially pleading cases, stating in general terms
    that “common law” prejudgment interest is an element of actual
    damages that has to be specifically pleaded for.                 Paramore held
    that prejudgment interest was a part of “the actual damages” which
    the Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act (DTPA), Tex. Bus. & Com.
    Code §     17.50(b)(1),    required   the   trial   court   to    double   when
    rendering judgment.       However, Paramore recognizes that three other
    Texas Courts of Appeals had held otherwise, and in each of those
    three cases the Texas Supreme Court had refused application for
    writ of error “no reversible error.”         See 
    Paramore, 792 S.W.2d at 211-212
    .    Since Paramore, the Fourteenth Court of Appeals declined
    to follow its approach and has continued to hold “that prejudgment
    interest should not be included as actual damages before trebling”
    under the DTPA.      Roberts v. Grande, 
    868 S.W.2d 956
    , 960 (Tex.
    App.——Houston [14th] 1994; no writ).59        Moreover, in a case such as
    this there are no mandatory punitive damages, and whether to award
    them, and how much to award, is a question for the jury (subject to
    review for excessiveness).       Here, the most reasonable view of the
    verdict——one apparently shared by the trial court——is that it does
    not reflect on intention to have the multipliers it selected apply
    to anything other than “actual damages” or “compensatory damages”
    as defined in the court’s charge and as fixed by the phase I jury
    59
    And, the Texas legislature likewise has in effect overruled
    the Paramore approach. See Tex. Bus. & Com. Code § 17.50(e) (Acts
    1995, 74th Leg. ch. 414 § 5).
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    for the class representatives (and to be fixed by the phase III
    juries for the other class members).         There was no mention of
    prejudgment interest in the charge, and the definition and elements
    of “actual damages” (or “compensatory damages”) as given in the
    charge included only the conventional elements (and not prejudgment
    interest or anything similar thereto) and purported to be complete.
    The jury was told that class members would “have to prove, first of
    all, whether they are entitled to compensatory, or actual damages,
    and if so, the amount,” and “if you award punitive damages, what
    you are asked to do is make an award for each one dollar of actual
    damages which may subsequently be determined for a particular
    plaintiff . . . an amount that would be a fraction of one dollar or
    a multiple of one dollar for each dollar of actual damages . . .
    for each one dollar of actual or compensatory damages.”        The phase
    I jury proceeded to fix the “compensatory damages” for each of the
    class   representatives,   as   well   as   the   multiplier   for   each
    defendant.   The most reasonable interpretation of the verdict is
    that the jury intended the multiplier to apply only to the actual
    or compensatory damages as found by them, not to something else.
    We reject plaintiffs’ claim that the multiplier should be applied
    to prejudgment interest.
    Plaintiffs’ final contention in their cross-appeal as to
    Pittsburgh Corning is that we should hold it “jointly and severally
    liable for the exemplary damages assessed against it and Celotex.”
    We reject this contention. Plaintiffs base their argument on Hofer
    v. Lavender, 
    679 S.W.2d 470
    (Tex. 1984), in which the Texas Supreme
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    Court held that the wrongdoer’s estate could be liable for punitive
    damages, relying in part on the notion that such damages were not
    simply to punish the guilty party, but also to “reimburse for
    losses   too   remote   to   be    considered     as   elements   of   strict
    compensation” or “to compensate for inconvenience and attorney’s
    fees.”   
    Id. at 474.
       Plaintiffs also rely on Celotex Corp. v. Tate,
    
    797 S.W.2d 197
    , 208-209 (Tex. App.——Corpus Christi 1990; no writ),
    where the court, in rejecting a due process challenge to a punitive
    damage award based on the contention that the defendant was being
    subjected to successive multiple punishments for the same conduct,
    relied on the above language from Hofer in stating that punitive
    damages had a compensatory component as to each plaintiff, that the
    jury was instructed in the quoted Hofer language, and that it could
    not be determined what portion of the exemplary damages award
    related to the Hofer nonpunitive components.           These authorities do
    not address    the   question     of   joint   and   several   liability   for
    punitive damages.
    We believe plaintiffs seek to assign to Hofer and Celotex a
    weight which they will not bear.         We reviewed those two decisions,
    and a host of other Texas authorities, in Estate of Moore v.
    C.I.R., 
    53 F.3d 712
    (5th Cir. 1995), where we stated:
    “. . . [T]he Texas Supreme Court has emphasized at least
    since 1847 that exemplary damages are awarded not to
    compensate the plaintiff for any injury received but to
    punish the defendant and to deter others. [citations
    omitted] This Court too has repeatedly stated that
    exemplary damages are not compensatory under Texas law.
    Jenkins v. Raymark Industries, Inc., 
    782 F.2d 468
    , 474
    (5th Cir. 1986) (‘The purpose of punitive damages is not
    to compensate the victim but to create a deterrence to
    the defendant, and to protect the public interest.’);
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    [citations omitted].
    . . . .
    We also note that the year after the Texas Supreme
    Court released its opinion in Hofer, the court determined
    that prejudgment interest is not available on exemplary
    damages precisely because of their non-compensatory
    nature.    The court stated:      ‘Punitive damages are
    intended to punish the defendant and to set an example to
    others. . . .    They are assessed over and above the
    amount of damages necessary to indemnify the plaintiff.
    The plaintiff can thus be made whole even if prejudgment
    interest is not awarded on punitive damages.’ Cavnar v.
    Quality Control Parking, Inc., 
    696 S.W.2d 549
    , 555-56
    (Tex. 1985) (citation omitted).
    Texas courts have also rejected arguments that
    punitive damages should be reduced in proportion to the
    percentage of negligence attributed to the plaintiff.
    Reduction of punitive damages is not appropriate because
    ‘[t]he purpose of awarding exemplary damages is not to
    compensate the plaintiff, but to punish and set an
    example to others.’ Elbar, Inc. v. Claussen, 
    774 S.W.2d 45
    , 53 (Tex. App.——Dallas 1989, writ dismissed as moot);
    [citations omitted].
    . . . .
    There is no requirement that exemplary damages bear
    any relation to the plaintiff’s inconvenience, attorney’s
    fees, or losses too remote to be considered as elements
    of actual damages.” 
    Id. at 715-716.
    In   Estate   of   Moore,   we   concluded   by   stating   that   “[t]he
    overwhelming weight of Texas authority holds that exemplary damages
    are not awarded to compensate the plaintiff for any injury” and
    that the “fundamental truth” is that “exemplary damages in Texas
    are awarded on account of and in proportion to the defendant’s
    wrongful conduct.”    
    Id. at 716.
       See also Ellis County State Bank
    v. Keever, 
    888 S.W.2d 790
    , 796, 798 (Tex. 1994), which reiterates
    the holding of Cavnar v. Quality Control Board, 
    696 S.W.2d 549
    ,
    555-56 (Tex. 1985), that prejudgment interest is not recoverable on
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    punitive damages because “‘[p]unitive damages are intended to
    punish the defendant and to set an example to others.                          They are
    assessed     over   and    above     the    amount       of   damages    necessary     to
    indemnify     the   plaintiff,’”       and       which    goes     on   to   state   that
    “[p]unitive damages, being inherently penal in character, should
    not be enlarged by the imposition of prejudgment interest.”60
    Whatever may be the case where defendants, each with malice,
    act jointly to commit a single wrong, and the jury assesses a
    single punitive damages award in one specified dollar amount
    “jointly against said defendants,”                  see Waggoner v. Wyatt, 94
    S.W.1076, 1078 (Tex. Civ. App. 1906; writ refused),61 that is not
    the    situation     here.      Here       the    theory      of   liability    against
    defendants as submitted to the jury was not one of joint action (or
    civil conspiracy), but strictly of individual action, often taken
    at widely different times (e.g., Fibreboard and Celotex during the
    period after 1942, Pittsburgh Corning only after 1962).                        Further,
    the jury instructions concerning punitive damages mentioned only
    punishment for wrongdoing and setting an example to deter others,
    and did not include any Hofer-type element such as compensation for
    losses      too   remote   to   be   covered       by    actual     damages,    or    for
    60
    See also Tex. Civ. Proc. & Remedies Code § 41.006 (applicable
    to actions filed after September 2, 1987), which provides that a
    punitive damages award “must be specific as to a defendant” and
    “each defendant is liable only for the amount of the award made
    against that defendant.”
    61
    See also St. Louis & S.W. Ry. Co. of Texas v. Thompson, 
    113 S.W. 144
    , 147 (Tex. 1908).
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    inconvenience or attorney’s fees.62          Finally, punitive damages
    liability and the multiplier were each fixed by the jury separately
    from each other and separately for each defendant.      The multiplier
    ultimately assessed by the jury was different for each defendant
    (except Carey Canada and Fibreboard were each separately assessed
    a $1.50 multiplier).      Obviously, what the jury contemplated was
    separate, several punitive damages awards as to each defendant. We
    know of nothing in Texas law which prevents this.
    Finally, reliance on a Hofer-type quasi-compensatory approach
    to impose joint and several liability for the separate punitive
    damages awards would render suspect the entire multiplier concept
    in this kind of phased trial.     As previously noted, the multiplier
    concept was approved in Jenkins on the basis that punitive damages
    were “not to compensate the victim,” 
    id., 782 F.2d
    at 474, and that
    having them vary with actual damages (by a multiplier for each
    defendant severally based on the wrongfulness of its conduct) would
    preserve the necessary individual consideration because in the
    subsequent individual cases each individual’s actual damages would
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    Thus, the phase I charge stated:
    “Exemplary damages or punitive damages means an
    amount that you may, in your discretion, award as an
    example to others and as a penalty or by way of
    punishment, in addition to any amount that you find as
    actual damages.
    To say it another way, there are several purposes
    behind an exemplary damage award, include [sic] punishing
    the wrongdoer, setting an example so that others may be
    deterred from similar conduct in the future.
    Simply put, this issue is that of just punishment,
    not fair compensation. The focus in this regard is on
    the Defendants’ conduct, not on the product.”
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    be found.     However, the Hofer quasi-compensatory factors were not
    submitted as part of actual (or punitive) damages and they do not
    necessarily vary with variations in the amount of actual damages.
    It is plain then that the trial here, and the trial plan, so
    far   as    concerned     punitive    damages    and    the   multiplier,      was
    formulated, approved, and conducted on the assumption that such
    damages were entirely punitive and to serve as an example and were
    several as to each defendant and related only to the wrongfulness
    of its conduct.      We accordingly reject plaintiffs’ contention that
    Pittsburgh Corning should have been held liable for Celotex’s
    punitive damages.
    5.    Effect of Celotex Bankruptcy
    As   previously     noted,     Celotex    filed   chapter   11    (and   was
    severed) after all the phase III verdicts were returned (and before
    Fibreboard settled).        The district court held Pittsburgh Corning
    liable for all of Celotex’s fifteen percent causation share (in the
    phase I cases; ten percent in the phase III and extrapolation
    cases) of actual (not exemplary) damages.                 Pittsburgh Corning
    contends that Celotex’s share should not all be allocated to it but
    should     instead   be    ratably    redistributed      among    the   settling
    defendants (including Fibreboard), Pittsburgh Corning, and any
    contributory negligent plaintiff, in the proportion which their
    assigned causation percentages bear to each other.                  Were we to
    fashion what we believe would be the most appropriate rule, we
    would tend to agree with Pittsburgh Corning.               But precedent bars
    the way.
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    Duncan v. Cessna Aircraft Co., 
    665 S.W.2d 414
    (Tex. 1984),
    which the parties agree and agreed below controls this issue,
    provides for joint and several liability as to nonsettled shares,
    with the particular view of protecting the plaintiff against an
    insolvent, nonsettling defendant.            
    Id. at 429.
       Celotex was not a
    settling defendant. Had Celotex taken bankruptcy before trial, its
    comparative causation share would not have been submitted to the
    jury, and Pittsburgh Corning could not reduce its liability by
    virtue of any claimed partial causation by Celotex.               That much is
    clear from    Duncan,   and    is   not     really   disputed    by   Pittsburgh
    Corning.    See also Gideon v. Johns-Manville Sales Corp., 
    761 F.2d 1129
    , 1140-41    (5th   Cir.    1985).        Likewise,    had   Celotex   taken
    bankruptcy after the judgment became final, Pittsburgh Corning
    would remain liable for Celotex’s fifteen percent share.                   That,
    too, is clear from Duncan.          So why should it make any difference
    that Celotex’s bankruptcy came after the verdict but before final
    judgment?    The answer to that question is that Celotex’s share of
    causation, along with Fibreboard’s and Pittsburgh Corning’s and
    that of the previously settling defendants and, in some instances,
    that of a negligent plaintiff, was determined by the jury, in
    percentages that totaled one hundred percent (as the instructions
    required).    Logically, it should be assumed that proportionate
    allocation of Celotex’s percentage share of causation among the
    others would produce the same result as if Celotex’s share had
    never been submitted at all (as it would not have been if it had
    taken bankruptcy prior to trial).               For example, if at trial
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    Pittsburgh Corning was assessed 20% causation and Celotex 15% and
    others a total of 65%, then if Celotex’s 15% is reallocated,
    Pittsburgh    Corning’s   causation      share   amounts   to    some   23.53%
    (20/85), not 35% (20% + 15%).         That——20/85ths——is what the jury
    actually found was Pittsburgh Corning’s proportion of causation
    among those whose causation now has legal relevance. However, that
    sort    of   approach   was   rejected,    at    least   for    post-judgment
    insolvency, in Duncan, where the Court said:
    “An alternative would be to reallocate the insolvent
    tortfeasor’s share of liability among all parties whose
    actions or products were a cause of the injuries,
    including the negligent plaintiff. This suggestion is
    attractive and was endorsed by a distinguished Special
    Committee of the Tort and Compensation Section of the
    State Bar. As a judicial rule, however, reallocating the
    insolvent’s share would create problems of post-trial
    jurisdiction and finality of judgments.” 
    Id. at 429,
           n.9.
    The last sentence of this passage suggests that the Duncan court
    may have only been speaking to the situation where a nonsettling
    bankrupt becomes insolvent after the judgment is final.                 As for
    pretrial insolvency, there would be no need to thus “reallocate,”
    as the causative fault of a nonsettling defendant would simply not
    have been submitted to the jury.         Arguably, then, Duncan does not
    necessarily preclude acceptance of Pittsburgh Corning’s argument.
    On the other hand, Duncan can also perhaps reasonably be read
    as generally rejecting this sort of proportionate reallocation.
    That, in substance, is how we read it in Whatley v. Armstrong World
    Industries, Inc., 
    861 F.2d 837
    (5th Cir. 1988).            In that Texas law
    asbestos case, the plaintiff settled before trial with twelve
    defendants and proceeded to trial against Raymark alone.             The jury
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    found Raymark and 10 of the settling defendants guilty of causative
    fault, assigning to Raymark and to 9 of the settling defendants
    each a 9.09% causation share and to the tenth settling defendant a
    9.1% share, for a total of 100%.          Plaintiff’s damages were thus
    reduced by 90.01% for purposes of its judgment against Raymark in
    the trial court.      Plaintiff appealed, urging there was no evidence
    to support a finding of causative fault as to several of the ten
    settling defendants.     We agreed as to 2 of them (who each had 9.09%
    shares), and hence reformed the judgment by assigning to Raymark
    the entirety of those two settling defendants’ shares, making
    Raymark liable for 27.27% (3 x 9.09%) of plaintiff’s total damages.
    
    Id. at 842-44.
        Although   we    did   not   expressly   address   a
    proportional reallocation——under which Raymark’s share would become
    not 27.27% but rather 11.11% (9.09/81.82)——our judgment necessarily
    rejected it.      The dissent expressly contended that Raymark was
    entitled to a new trial on allocation, but the majority rejected
    that approach, holding that automatic reallocation of the entirety
    of the share of each nonliable settling defendant to Raymark was
    required as a matter of law by Duncan.63
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    Pittsburgh Corning contends, not without some force, that its
    approach is supported by Bowers v. Firestone Tire & Rubber Co., 
    832 F.2d 64
    (5th Cir. 1987). In that Texas law case, Bowers, injured
    in a tire explosion, sued Firestone, General Motors (GM), and Budd
    Company (Budd). The jury assessed comparative causation 25% to
    Bowers, 50% to Firestone, 12½% to GM, and 12½% to Budd, but also
    found that Bowers was not at fault. The trial court, because of
    the latter finding, disregarded the 25% causation finding as to
    Bowers, and proportionally reallocated the causative shares of the
    defendants to be 66 2/3% (50/75) for Firestone, 16 2/3% (12½/75)
    for GM, and 16 2/3% (12½/75) for Budd. No complaint was made on
    appeal to these rulings. Firestone and GM settled with Bowers in
    lieu of appealing.     Budd appealed, claiming that the evidence
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    We   conclude,   albeit   reluctantly,   that   Whatley,   and   its
    interpretation of Duncan, compel rejection of Pittsburgh Corning’s
    reallocation arguments respecting Celotex.
    To the extent that Pittsburgh Corning complains that its
    subrogation rights against Celotex are prejudiced, we disagree.
    Pittsburgh Corning’s discharge of the judgment will entitle it to
    be subrogated to plaintiffs’ rights as against Celotex.               See
    
    Gideon, 761 F.2d at 1140-41
    .
    We reject Pittsburgh Corning’s complaints as to the effect on
    showed Bowers was negligent as a matter of law, that the weight of
    the evidence against Bowers entitled Budd to a new trial on that
    issue, and that the form of the contributory negligence special
    issues was improper. Bowers v. Firestone Tire & Rubber Co., 
    800 F.2d 474
    , 476-78 (5th Cir. 1986). Bowers cross-appealed because
    the judgment awarded him nothing for prejudgment interest. We held
    Bowers was entitled to prejudgment interest and remanded. 
    Id. at 478-79.
       On remand, the district court held that Bowers was
    entitled to prejudgment interest on only the actual damages for
    which Budd was liable (16 2/3% of the total).         Bowers again
    appealed, claiming not that Budd’s 16 2/3% share of the actual
    damages as fixed in the judgment was in error, but rather only that
    Bowers was entitled to recover from Budd prejudgment interest on
    100% (not, say, 37½%) of the actual damages. 
    Bowers, 832 F.2d at 66-67
    . We rejected this contention, holding that Firestone and GM
    had settled all their liability and that that included prejudgment
    interest. We did not address, and there was not before us, any
    issue as to the propriety of the 66 2/3%, 16 2/3%, and 16 2/3%
    allocation. No claim was made that Bowers was entitled to recover
    more than 16 2/3% of his actual damages from Budd——or that Budd
    should not have been assessed more than 12½% of the actual damages;
    the only issue was whether Bowers was entitled to recover from Budd
    prejudgment interest on 100% (not any lesser percentage) of his
    actual damages rather than merely on the same percentage thereof as
    Budd was liable for. Moreover, the trial court’s action there can
    be viewed not so much as a reallocation as an interpretation of the
    verdict such that the verdict itself did not find any causative
    fault on the part of Bowers.      We conclude that Bowers is not
    controlling.
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    its liability share of the Celotex chapter 11.64
    C.   Conclusion on Pittsburgh Corning’s Appeal and
    Plaintiffs’ Related Cross-Appeal
    In sum, we reverse the judgments in all the 143 phase III
    cases and in all the 5 extrapolation cases before us and those
    cases        are   remanded    for    further         proceedings   not   inconsistent
    herewith.          As to the judgments against Pittsburgh Corning in the
    nine class representative cases before us, we reject all of the
    contentions raised on cross-appeal by plaintiffs and, with the
    single        exception   of    the       date    on   which   prejudgment    interest
    commences to accrue, we likewise reject all of Pittsburgh Corning’s
    contentions on appeal.           The nine class representative cases before
    us as against Pittsburgh Corning are remanded for the sole purpose
    of recalculating prejudgment interest based on the accrual date
    specified in this opinion, and in all other respects said nine
    judgments against Pittsburgh Corning are affirmed.
    II.
    ACL APPEAL
    A.    Introduction
    ACL appeals the two judgments rendered against it in two of
    the nine class representative cases.65                   Plaintiffs cross appeal as
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    Pittsburgh Corning also argues that Fibreboard, because it
    settled after Celotex filed for chapter 11, actually settled more
    than its causative share as found by the jury.     We reject this
    contention. A settling defendant cannot settle more than its jury-
    determined share. International Proteins Corporation v. Ralston-
    Purina, 
    744 S.W.2d 932
    (Tex. 1988).
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    These are the case in which the plaintiffs are the Estate of
    Norman Atchison, Sammy Atchison, and Clarence Atchison, and the
    case in which the plaintiffs are Lowell Nations and Ann Mae
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    to ACL.
    As previously noted, the cases against ACL were bench tried by
    virtue of the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act.
    ACL is a Canadian corporation, a majority of whose shares are
    owned by the government of Quebec, Canada.                ACL mined chrysotile
    asbestos in Canada.         During the years 1951-1961, ACL sold and
    shipped the raw asbestos, minimally processed by it, to Fibreboard
    in the United States. The product was considered raw asbestos when
    received.     Fibreboard refined the raw asbestos, blended it with
    asbestos,     including     amosite     asbestos,      obtained        from    other
    suppliers,    and    incorporated     it    into   many     asbestos-containing
    finished products manufactured and sold by Fibreboard, including
    insulation products——the only products at issue in this case——and
    other products such as shingles and linoleum.66 There was evidence,
    which the district court credited, that during those years 1951-
    1961 ACL supplied at least fifty percent of the asbestos used by
    Fibreboard.     In 1962, Fibreboard ceased its purchases from ACL.
    ACL was     never    involved   in   the    design,    manufacture,        sale,     or
    distribution    of    the   insulation      products      at   issue    here       (or,
    apparently, any other asbestos-containing finished products).
    The    district    court   ruled      that    “ACL’s      liability      to    the
    plaintiffs arises through the plaintiff’s exposure to Fibreboard
    products which contained asbestos supplied by ACL.” But it went on
    Nations.
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    The district court held that Texas substantive law applied
    to the claims against ACL.   No party challenges that ruling on
    appeal.
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    to hold that ACL was not liable to any phase III or extrapolation
    plaintiff    because    “ACL   was    not   a   party   to    the   Phase    II
    stipulation,” so nothing in the stipulation could be used against
    ACL, and “[t]he Court has heard no independent evidence of exposure
    to Fibreboard products from which the Court could make findings to
    form a basis of liability”——presumably to any particular phase III
    plaintiff or to any extrapolation plaintiff——”against ACL for its
    fibre contribution to the Fibreboard insulation products.”                  The
    court did find, however, that “[t]here was sufficient evidence
    presented in Phase I to support a finding that the Phase I
    plaintiffs   were   exposed    to    asbestos   supplied     by   ACL   through
    exposure to Fibreboard products.”           Nevertheless, the court held
    that, except for the plaintiffs in the Nations and Atchison cases
    (see note 
    65, supra
    ), limitations barred recovery against ACL by
    any other phase I or class representative plaintiff.67
    With respect to the two cases in which ACL was held liable,
    the following appears to be the district court’s material findings
    and conclusions.       In its initial findings and conclusions, the
    district court stated:
    “The evidence also shows that ACL knew or should have
    known as early as 1935 that asbestos workers and
    household members of asbestos workers were at risk of
    getting an asbestos-related injury or disease from the
    application, use, or removal of Defendants’ asbestos-
    containing insulation products. . . .    ACL sold its
    product to intermediaries.       These intermediaries
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    No complaint is made by any party on appeal as to this
    limitations ruling; nor does any party complain on this appeal of
    the district court’s dismissal of the conspiracy claims against ACL
    or its ruling that the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act prevented
    any claim for exemplary damages against ACL.
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    incorporated the asbestos into finished products and sold
    the products to the worksites where the Plaintiffs allege
    they were exposed to asbestos. . . .        The issue is
    whether ACL’s reliance on its intermediaries to pass on
    warnings concerning the dangers of asbestos to users of
    asbestos products was reasonable. See Alm v. Aluminum
    Co. of America, 
    717 S.W.2d 588
    , 592 (Tex. 1986) . . . .
    In other words, were ACL’s intermediaries capable of
    passing on a warning and, if not, did ACL know about that
    incapacity? The specific question this Court must answer
    is the following: Did ACL have actual knowledge that the
    raw asbestos it supplied to its intermediaries was being
    made into insulation products and sold by such companies
    without an adequate warning? The evidence in the record
    establishes that ACL did have such knowledge.
    It is apparent that ACL’s liability is derivative of
    the intermediaries to which it sold its raw asbestos.
    . . . .
    The evidence does show that, from 1951 until 1961,
    Fibreboard Corporation purchased over 50% of its raw
    asbestos from ACL.”68
    The district court later reiterated these findings.69   The district
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    The court also found:
    “With the exception of Fibreboard’s products, it is not
    possible for the Court to determine from the record how
    much of ACL’s raw asbestos found its way into the
    Defendants’ products to which the class representatives
    were exposed.    The Court is also persuaded from the
    evidence that, with the exception of Fibreboard’s
    products, the Plaintiffs will not be able to prove the
    amount of ACL fibers contained in the Defendants’
    products to which the remaining Plaintiffs were exposed.”
    No party has challenged this finding on appeal.
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    The court stated:
    “. . . the Court found that ACL knew or should have known
    as early as 1935 that asbestos workers and household
    members of asbestos workers were at risk of getting an
    asbestos-related injury or disease from the application,
    use or removal of asbestos containing insulation
    products. The Court found that from 1951 until 1961,
    Fibreboard Corporation purchased over 50% of its raw
    asbestos from ACL. The Court also found that ACL had
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    court    determined     that       ACL’s   liability    to   a   particular   class
    representative plaintiff would be a fraction of one-half the
    Fibreboard causative share of that plaintiff’s actual damages as
    found by the jury; the fraction would have as its numerator the
    number of years after 1951 that that plaintiff was exposed to
    Fibreboard’s asbestos-containing insulation products and as its
    denominator the total number of that plaintiff’s working years on
    which the jury based on its actual damages award to that plaintiff.
    ACL’s liability would be joint and several with the liability of
    other defendants.         The court further ruled that “Fibreboard’s
    liability for actual damages [to such a phase I plaintiff] will be
    reduced by the amount” of ACL’s liability to that plaintiff.
    B.   ACL Claims of Error
    On    appeal,    ACL    challenges       the   judgments    against    it   on
    essentially two bases.               First, it contends, in a variety of
    arguments, that as a mere bulk supplier of a raw material later
    incorporated      into        various      finished     products     by      another
    (Fibreboard), not all of which products are unreasonably dangerous
    or defective, it owed no duty to the plaintiffs who were harmed by
    exposure to that raw material through exposure to one particular
    type    of   finished    product      (insulation      products).      Second,     it
    contends that any liability it may have is in any event derivative
    of that of Fibreboard, so Fibreboard’s settlement discharged it.
    actual knowledge that the raw asbestos it supplied to
    Fibreboard Corporation was being made into insulation
    products and sold by Fibreboard without an adequate
    warning.”
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    1.    Mere Supplier
    The    district    court      seems     to   have   based   its   liability
    determination against ACL on ACL’s failure to warn the users of
    Fibreboard insulation products, given that ACL knew such insulation
    products were otherwise dangerous and that Fibreboard was not
    giving a warning, or an adequate waiving.
    The district court did not find that ACL’s raw asbestos was
    defective or unreasonably dangerous when sold to Fibreboard, or
    that    Fibreboard       was   not    a   sophisticated      and   knowledgeable
    manufacturer of asbestos containing finished products; nor did the
    court find that all or substantially all of the diverse finished
    products manufactured by Fibreboard and containing ACL-supplied raw
    asbestos were defective or unreasonably dangerous.                       The only
    products at issue here were insulation products, and the district
    court imposed liability on Fibreboard and the other manufacturer
    defendants because their insulation products were, as the phase I
    jury found, “defective and unreasonably dangerous as a result of
    not having an adequate warning.”                    We have held that not all
    asbestos-containing finished products are defective or unreasonably
    dangerous.      See, e.g., 
    Gideon, 761 F.2d at 1143
    (“We have refused
    to hold asbestos products inherently dangerous”), and 1145 (“As to
    Raymark, we are unable to find . . . that the danger created by the
    use of its products [asbestos packings] outweighed their utility.
    . . all asbestos-containing products cannot be lumped together in
    determining their dangerousness”). See also, e.g., Corrosion Proof
    Fittings v. EPA, 
    947 F.2d 1201
    , 1207 (5th Cir. 1991).                If asbestos-
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    containing finished products are not all unreasonably dangerous or
    defective, then it necessarily follows that ordinary raw asbestos
    sold to a sophisticated and knowledgeable manufacturer of such
    products is not of itself defective or unreasonably dangerous. Nor
    did the district court find that ACL failed to adequately warn
    Fibreboard or that Fibreboard was not fully knowledgeable of the
    relevant     risks   posed   by    its     asbestos-containing    insulation
    products.     Indeed, the evidence virtually compels the conclusion
    that Fibreboard was so aware.        That being the case, any failure to
    warn    Fibreboard   would   be     clearly    immaterial.       See,   e.g.,
    Restatement Third, Torts:         Products Liability (1997) § 2, comment
    i (“Notwithstanding the defective condition of the product in the
    absence of special warnings, if a particular user or consumer would
    have decided to use or consume even if warned, the lack of warnings
    is not a legal cause of the plaintiff’s harm”).70
    In imposing liability on ACL, the district court relied on Alm
    v. Aluminum Co. of America, 
    717 S.W.2d 588
    (Tex. 1986).71          That case
    was a suit by James Alm for personal injuries suffered when the cap
    on a bottle of 7-Up he had purchased exploded off the bottle and
    70
    See also 
    id. comment j,
    explaining that a product seller is
    not liable for failure to warn of risks “that should be obvious to,
    or generally known by, foreseeable product users” because “[w]hen
    a risk is obvious or generally known, the prospective addressee of
    a warning will or should already know of its existence. Warning of
    an obvious or generally known risk in most instances would not
    provide an effective additional measure of safety.” It is obvious
    here that no warning ACL failed to give Fibreboard would have
    provided any “effective additional measure of safety” for
    plaintiffs.
    71
    See also Aluminum Co. of American v. Alm, 
    785 S.W.2d 137
    (Tex. 1990) (appeal following remand to court of appeals).
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    struck him in the eye.       The cap was put on the bottle by JFW
    Enterprises, Inc. (JFW) utilizing a capping machine purchased by it
    from Alcoa, the machine’s manufacturer. The retailer from whom Alm
    purchased the bottle had in turn purchased it from JFW.       Alm at
    589-90. “Alcoa supplied a capping machine to JFW.    Alcoa knew that
    through use its capping machine would go out of adjustment, thereby
    causing misapplied caps.     And Alcoa knew of the risk of personal
    injury from bottle cap blow off. . . .”       
    Id. at 591.
      Alm sued
    Alcoa, JFW, and the retailer, but the latter two settled.   The jury
    returned a general finding of negligence and proximate cause
    against Alcoa and JFW each.        One allegation of negligence as
    against Alcoa “was that Alcoa’s warning to JFW was inadequate.”
    
    Id. at 593.
       Alcoa appealed the judgment on the verdict against it,
    and the court of appeals held for Alcoa, reasoning that the jury’s
    finding that JFW was negligent was an implied finding that Alcoa
    had adequately warned JFW.     
    Id. at 592.
      On Alm’s appeal to the
    Texas Supreme Court, that court disagreed because “the jury could
    have determined that JFW was negligent without believing that Alcoa
    adequately warned JFW of the hazards associated with bottle cap
    blow off.     There were, after all, other allegations of negligence
    against JFW.”      
    Id. The Supreme
    Court went on to review the
    evidence concerning whether Alcoa adequately warned JFW and stated
    “This evidence clearly constitutes some evidence, certainly more
    than a scintilla, that Alcoa inadequately warned JFW.” 
    Id. at 594.
    The Supreme Court also called attention to evidence that JFW “was
    not familiar with the hazards associated with misapplied caps.”
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    Id. It remanded
    the case to the court of appeals “for it to
    consider       Alcoa’s   factual    insufficiency   points    regarding    the
    adequacy of its warning of the hazard of cap blow off to JFW.”             
    Id. at 595.
    While Alm contains some broad dicta concerning when one in a
    position analogous to Alcoa’s might be obligated to warn consumers
    despite warning a party such as JFW, its clear holding is that an
    adequate warning to JFW would have protected Alcoa.                 Obviously
    Alcoa    did    not——indeed   could    not   have——warned    Alm,   or   other
    consumers, and there is nothing to suggest the contrary (nor,
    plainly, did JFW warn anyone).               If failure to warn Alm (or
    consumers generally) could alone have supported Alcoa’s liability,
    there would have been no occasion to remand for a determination
    concerning the adequacy of Alcoa’s warning to JFW. Moreover, it is
    clear that there was sufficient evidence that JFW was not otherwise
    knowledgeable of the relevant hazards.
    Alm is thus distinguishable from the case at bar, in which a
    supplier of raw material to a sophisticated and knowledgeable
    manufacturer of diverse finished products which incorporate that
    material is held liable for failure to warn users of one type of
    such finished products of the dangers posed by the raw material’s
    presence in the product.           The general rule in this connection is
    stated in Restatement Third, Torts:           Products Liability (1997) in
    the comments to its section 5.           Comment a to section 5 states in
    relevant part:
    “Product components include raw materials, bulk products,
    and other constituent products sold for integration into
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    other products. Some components, such as raw materials,
    valves, or switches, have no functional capabilities
    unless integrated into other products. Other components,
    such as a truck chassis or a multi-functional machine,
    function on their own but still may be utilized in a
    variety of ways by assemblers of other products.
    As a general rule, component sellers should not be
    liable when the component itself is not defective as
    defined in this Chapter. . . .
    The refusal to impose liability on sellers of
    nondefective components is expressed in various ways,
    such as the ‘raw material supplier defense’ or the ‘bulk
    sales/sophisticated purchaser rule.’ However expressed,
    these formulations recognize that component sellers who
    do not participate in the integration of the component
    into the design of the product should not be liable
    merely because the integration of the component causes
    the product to become dangerously defective.         This
    Section subjects component sellers to liability when the
    components themselves are defective or when component
    providers substantially participate in the integration of
    components into the design of the other products.”
    Illustration   4   to   section   5   gives   an   example   which   closely
    parallels ACL’s situation:
    “4. ABC Foam Co. [here ACL] manufactures bulk foam
    with many different uses.     XYZ Co. [here Fibreboard]
    purchases bulk foam from ABC, then processes the foam and
    incorporates the processed foam in the manufacture of
    disposable dishware. ABC becomes aware that XYZ is using
    processed foam in the dishware. ABC and XYZ are both
    aware that there is a potential danger that processed
    foam may cause allergic skin reactions for some users.
    ABC is aware that XYZ is not warning consumers of this
    potential problem.    ABC has no duty to warn XYZ or
    ultimate consumers of the dangers attendant to use of the
    processed foam for disposable dishware. The foam sold by
    ABC is not defective in itself as defined in this
    Chapter. A supplier of a component has no duty to warn
    a knowledgeable buyer of risks attendant to special
    application of its products when integrated into
    another’s product. ABC did not participate in the design
    of the disposable dishware manufactured by XYZ, and is
    thus not subject to liability under Subsection (b).”
    (Emphasis added).
    Comment c to section 5 focuses specifically on raw materials
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    and includes the following:
    “c. Raw Materials. Product components include raw
    materials. See Comment a. Thus, when raw materials are
    contaminated or otherwise defective within the meaning of
    § 2(a), the seller of the raw materials is subject to
    liability for harm caused by such defects. Regarding the
    seller’s exposure to liability for defective design, a
    basic raw material such as sand, gravel, or kerosene
    cannot be defectively designed. Inappropriate decisions
    regarding the use of such materials are not attributable
    to the supplier of the raw materials but rather to the
    fabricator that puts them to improper use.            The
    manufacturer of the integrated product has a significant
    comparative advantage regarding selection of materials to
    be used.    Accordingly, raw-materials sellers are not
    subject to liability for harm caused by defective design
    of the end-product. The same considerations apply to
    failure-to-warn claims against sellers of raw materials.
    To impose a duty to warn would require the seller to
    develop expertise regarding a multitude of different end-
    products and to investigate the actual use of raw
    materials by manufacturers over whom the supplier has no
    control.   Courts uniformly refuse to impose such an
    onerous duty to warn.” (Emphasis added).
    Illustration 5 to section 5 is also parallel to ACL’s case here,
    viz:
    “5. LMN Sand Co. [here ACL] sells sand in bulk.
    ABC Construction Co. [here Fibreboard] purchases sand to
    use in mixing cement. LMN is aware that the improper
    mixture of its sand with other ingredients can cause
    cement to crack.    ABC utilizes LMN’s sand to form a
    cement supporting column in a building. As a result of
    improper mixture the cement column cracks and gives way
    during a mild earthquake and causes injury to the
    building’s occupants. LMN is not liable to the injured
    occupants. The sand sold by LMN is not itself defective
    under §§ 1-4.     LMN has no duty to warn ABC about
    improperly mixing sand for use in cement. LMN did not
    participate in ABC’s design of the cement and is not
    subject to liability for harm caused by the sand as
    integrated into the cement.”
    We observe that ACL’s asbestos is clearly not defective for
    these purposes.     Under section 2 of the Restatement Third, a
    product is defective if it contains a manufacturing defect or a
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    design defect or because of inadequate warnings or instructions.
    A manufacturing defect exists “when the product departs from its
    intended design.”        
    Id. § 2(a).
       There is no evidence or finding
    that this was the case with ACL’s raw asbestos, or that it was any
    different from any other chrysotile asbestos. Comment c to section
    5, above quoted, makes it clear that neither design defect (“a
    basic raw material . . . cannot be defectively designed”) nor
    failure to warn or instruct (“Courts uniformly refuse to impose
    such an onerous duty to warn”) apply to ACL and its raw asbestos.
    Comment b, directed at product components, contains a caveat,
    stating:
    “Courts have not yet confronted the question of whether,
    in combination, factors such as the component purchaser’s
    lack of expertise and ignorance of the risks of
    integrating the component into the purchaser’s product,
    and the component supplier’s knowledge of both the
    relevant risks and the purchaser’s ignorance thereof,
    give rise to a duty on the part of the component supplier
    to warn of risks attending integration of the component
    into the purchaser’s product.” (Emphasis added).72
    The hypothetical situation given in the above quotation from
    Comment b is in some respects arguably parallel to Alm, if Alcoa
    there were considered the component supplier and JFW the component
    purchaser, as Alcoa was knowledgeable of the risks and JFW was not,
    and Alcoa knew or should have known JFW was not but failed to warn
    JFW.        Here, however, there not only is no finding that ACL failed
    to warn Fibreboard, but it is also clear that Fibreboard was not
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    Comment c, directed at raw materials, references this caveat,
    stating: “For a consideration of whether special circumstances may
    give rise to a duty on the part of raw-material sellers to warn of
    risks attending integration of raw materials with other components,
    see Comment b.”
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    ignorant of the risks and did not lack expertise (and there is no
    contrary finding).    Moreover, Alm is also distinguishable (and the
    case against Alcoa there stronger than that against nondefective
    component suppliers) because Alcoa’s capping machine and system
    were defective and were so for the only purpose for which they were
    intended or usable, namely putting caps on bottles.           By contrast,
    here ACL’s raw asbestos was not itself defective, and it could be
    and was incorporated by Fibreboard into some of its nondefective
    finished products (as well being incorporated into Fibreboard
    insulation products).
    We believe that the Texas Supreme Court would follow the
    Restatement Third, Torts:     Products Liability § 5 in this respect.
    Cf. Klem v. E.I. Dupont De Nemours Co., 
    19 F.3d 997
    (5th Cir. 1994)
    (Louisiana law).     The Texas Supreme Court has long looked to the
    Restatement of Torts as an influential guide in products liability
    law,73 and has recently heavily relied on the refinements in such
    law reflected in Restatement Third, Torts:             Products Liability.
    See Uniroyal Goodrich Tire Company v. Martinez, ___ S.W.2d ___, 
    41 Tex. Sup. Ct. J. 1047
    , 
    1998 WL 352929
    (Tex. 1998).
    Applying   section   5   of   the   Restatement    of   Torts,   Third:
    Products Liability, as we believe the Texas Supreme Court would, we
    hold that no basis has been demonstrated to hold ACL liable.             Its
    raw asbestos, as sold to Fibreboard, was not adulterated or other
    73
    See, e.g., McKisson v. Sales Affiliates, Inc., 
    416 S.W.2d 787
    , 788-89 (Tex. 1967); Caterpillar, Inc. v. Shears, 
    911 S.W.2d 379
    , 381-83 & nn.2 & 3 (Tex. 1995) (also citing tentative draft of
    Restatement Third, Torts); Firestone Steel Products Co. v. Barajas,
    
    927 S.W.2d 608
    , 613, 616 (Tex. 1996).
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    than normal chrysotile asbestos, and it was not itself defective in
    the sense of section 2 of the Restatement Torts, Third; Fibreboard
    was a sophisticated, expert, and knowledgeable manufacturer who
    produced diverse finished products into which it incorporated,
    after refining it, the raw asbestos purchased from ACL (and from
    other suppliers); not all of such finished products are shown to be
    defective; there is no basis for finding, and no finding, that
    Fibreboard either did not know exactly what it was getting from ACL
    or that it was unaware of the asbestos-related risks presented by
    its finished insulation products; ACL had no role in the design,
    manufacture, sale, or distribution of the insulation products at
    issue     here   (or,   apparently,    any   other   Fibreboard-finished
    products); ACL and Fibreboard were not affiliated; and, there is no
    practical way ACL could have warned plaintiffs of the risks posed
    by Fibreboard insulation products. These factors dictate a finding
    of no liability on the part of ACL to plaintiffs.
    Accordingly, the judgment against ACL in the Atchison and
    Nations cases is reversed and judgment is here rendered that the
    plaintiffs in those cases take nothing from ACL.
    2.    Fibreboard Settlement
    Because of our above holding, ACL’s alternative contention
    that any liability it might have was discharged by the Fibreboard
    settlement becomes moot, and we pretermit consideration of it.
    C.   Cross-Appeal
    The contentions raised in plaintiffs’ cross-appeal as to ACL
    are all rendered moot by our above holding that ACL is in any event
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    not liable, and we accordingly pretermit consideration of them.
    III.
    CONCLUSION
    In conclusion, on Pittsburgh Corning’s appeal we reverse the
    judgments in all the 143 phase III cases and in all 5 extrapolation
    cases that are before us and such cases are remanded for further
    proceedings not inconsistent herewith.   As to Pittsburgh Corning’s
    appeal of the judgments against it in the nine phase I cases before
    us, we reject all of its contentions on appeal except that relating
    to the date on which prejudgment interest commences to accrue; as
    to these same nine cases, we reject plaintiffs’ cross-appeal
    against Pittsburgh Corning; and these nine cases, so far as they
    concern Pittsburgh Corning, are remanded solely to amend the
    judgments therein against Pittsburgh Corning so as to reflect
    prejudgment interest calculated from the appropriate accrual date
    as provided herein.   With respect to ACL’s appeal of the judgments
    against it in the Nations and Atchison cases (two of the class
    representative phase I cases), we reverse the judgments against ACL
    and render judgment in its favor; and we reject plaintiffs’ cross-
    appeal as to ACL.74
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    We accept all the Fed. R. App. R. 28(j) letters previously
    submitted. We GRANT the following motions: Pittsburgh Corning’s
    motion to file three volumes of supplemental transcript excerpts
    related to claims of alleged trial bias, passion, and prejudice;
    motion of ACL to file corrected brief; and Pittsburgh Corning’s
    motion to withdraw its motion to certify questions to the Supreme
    Court of Texas.    All other pending, undisposed of motions are
    DENIED.
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    REVERSED and REMANDED in part; VACATED and REMANDED in part;
    REVERSED and RENDERED in part.
    ENDRECORD
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    REYNALDO G. GARZA, Circuit Judge, specially concurring:
    I write separately to concur in the excellent opinion in this case, but also to add some of
    my own comments and thoughts about these consolidated cases, which have burdened our judicial
    system for so many years. In particular, I wish to express my concerns raised by Pittsburgh
    Corning’s attack on Judge Parker’s ingenious but, unfortunately, legally deficient trial plan. This
    case is a striking example of the crisis presented by the state of asbestos litigation in our judicial
    system; therefore, I am also writing separately to further urge upon Congress the wisdom and
    necessity of a legislative solution.
    Texas law simply provides no way around Pittsburgh Corning’s right to a jury trial as to
    causation or the requirement that causation and damages be determined as to individuals and not
    groups. See In re Fibreboard Corp., 
    893 F.2d 706
    , 711 (5th Cir. 1990) (stating that policy
    choices of State of Texas in defining “the duty owed by manufacturers and suppliers of products
    to consumers . . . are reflected in the requirement that a plaintiff prove both causation and
    damage. . . . These elements focus upon individuals, not groups.”). If Judge Parker had
    conducted phase II according to his plan, however, rather than replacing phase II with the phase
    II stipulation, the only issue before us today would be the propriety of the phase III damages
    determinations. Of course, the majority opinion correctly explains that these damages
    determinations were fatally deficient under Texas law and the Seventh Amendment as to the more
    than 2,000 “extrapolation” cases; however, these “extrapolated” damages determinations are
    valuable in and of themselves as indications of an appropriate settlement range for each of the five
    disease categories involved.
    It is clear that the enigma of asbestos litigation is not readily susceptible to resolution
    under the standards and practices representative of traditional tort litigation. See Jenkins v.
    Raymark Industries, 
    782 F.2d 468
    , 470 (5th Cir. 1986) (“Courts, including those in our own
    circuit, have been ill-equipped to handle this ‘avalanche of litigation.’ . . . Our numerous opinions
    in asbestos-related cases have repeatedly recognized the dilemma confronting our trial courts, and
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    expressed concern about the mounting backlog of cases and inevitable, lengthy trial delays.”); see
    also Lester Brickman, The Asbestos Litigation Crisis: Is There a Need for an Administrative
    Alternative?, 13 CARDOZO L. REV. 1819, 1841 (1992) (arguing that “Appellate opinions arguably
    applying a ‘there is law and there is asbestos law’ doctrine can be found.”). In 1991, the Judicial
    Conference Ad Hoc Committee on Asbestos Litigation (the “Ad Hoc Committee”), whose
    members were appointed by Chief Justice Rehnquist, issued a report noting that:
    What has been a frustrating problem is becoming a disaster of major proportions to both
    the victims and the producers of asbestos products, which the courts are ill-equipped to
    meet effectively.
    ***
    The most objectionable aspects of asbestos litigation can be briefly summarized: dockets
    in both federal and state courts continue to grow; long delays are routine; trials are too
    long; the same issues are litigated over and over; transaction costs exceed the victims’
    recovery by nearly two to one; exhaustion of assets threatens and distorts the process;
    and future claimants may lose altogether.
    REPORT OF THE JUDICIAL CONFERENCE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON ASBESTOS LITIGATION 2-
    3 (Mar. 1991) [hereinafter AD HOC COMMITTEE REPORT]. The history of this case, up to and
    including our resolution of this appeal (which is dictated by binding authority) is a perfect
    illustration of the incompatibility of asbestos litigation and traditional tort litigation procedures.
    This case also illustrates the need for a legislative response to the asbestos litigation crisis.
    As the majority opinion in this case notes, there is a dire need for legislative intervention in the
    arena of the asbestos litigation crisis. In its report, the Ad Hoc Committee argued that effective
    reform of the asbestos litigation crisis requires federal legislation creating a national asbestos
    dispute-resolution scheme. AD HOC COMMITTEE REPORT 3, 27-35. The Judicial Conference of
    the Untied States adopted the Ad Hoc Committee’s recommendations, and urged Congress to
    “consider a national legislative scheme to come to grips with the impending disaster relating to
    resolution of asbestos personnel injury disputes, with the objectives of achieving timely,
    appropriate compensation of present and future asbestos victims and of maximizing the prospects
    for the economic survival and viability of defendants.” REPORT OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE
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    JUDICIAL CONFERENCE OF THE UNITED STATES 33 (Mar. 12, 1991). More recently, the Supreme
    Court discussed the Ad Hoc Committee’s report and the Judicial Conference’s recommendations
    to Congress, noting that “[t]o this date [June 25, 1997], no congressional response has emerged.”
    Amchem Products, Inc. v. Windsor, 
    117 S. Ct. 2231
    , 2237-38 (1997).
    As the majority opinion convincingly establishes, the trial plan which the district court
    implemented below was legally deficient. As to the 160 phase III “sample” plaintiffs, who tried
    their cases to a jury regarding damages, the trial plan was inconsistent with the requirement of
    Texas law that determinations of causation be made as to “individuals, not groups.” See
    
    Fibreboard, 893 F.2d at 711
    . The stipulation that replaced phase II established only that “some”
    individuals working in each of the listed crafts during each of the relevant time periods at each of
    the 22 work sites were “exposed to asbestos [with] sufficient length and intensity to cause
    pulmonary asbestosis of varying degrees,” and that a Pittsburgh Corning asbestos product was
    present at those sites during two of the relevant time periods. As such, the stipulation was not
    sufficiently individualized, as it would have been if Pittsburgh Corning had stipulated that “all” of
    the plaintiffs were so exposed.
    As to the “extrapolation” plaintiffs, the same rationale applies with respect to the issue of
    causation. Additionally, however, the extrapolation cases were deficient with regard to the
    determination of actual damages. In contrast to the “sample” phase III cases, no jury ever
    considered the “extrapolation” cases, and neither the court nor a jury made any individualized
    determinations of actual damages, as required by Texas law. See 
    Fibreboard, 893 F.2d at 711
    . It
    is for these reasons that we are reversing the judgments in the phase III “sample” cases and the
    “extrapolation” cases.
    It appears, however, that Judge Parker’s phase II plan would have been sufficient if he had
    implemented the plan rather than disposing of it with the phase II stipulation. Under the plan,
    phase II would have addressed exposure on a craft and work site basis during the relevant time
    periods. A jury would have made exposure findings regarding specific work sites, crafts, and time
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    periods. The jury would have heard evidence regarding the presence of the defendants’ asbestos
    products and asbestos dust at each work site. The jury would also have heard evidence about the
    nature of the different crafts at each work site and the relationship of those crafts to asbestos.
    Additionally, the jury would have heard evidence regarding working conditions at each work site
    and the relationship of those conditions to the defendants’ products.
    The presentation of such evidence would clearly be sufficient for a reasonable jury to
    conclude that the presence of the defendants’ products caused injuries to individuals working in
    certain crafts at certain work sites during certain time periods, and how long of a time period
    would be sufficient to support such causation. The jury would have also heard evidence regarding
    the presence of the defendants’ products at the relevant work sites during the relevant time
    periods. Based on that evidence, the jury would have apportioned responsibility among the
    settling and non-settling defendants. The court would then make a determination of which
    plaintiffs worked for sufficient periods of time at each work site and which plaintiffs were
    members of each craft at those work sites.
    The evidence, if presented as the plan anticipated, would satisfy the plaintiffs’ burden of
    proof, and would support a reasonable jury’s determination of causation specific to craft, work
    site, and relevant time period. Such evidence would also support a determination of the length of
    time on the job required to support causation. As such, the court’s task of simply plugging each
    plaintiff into a craft, work site, and time period would be a sufficiently individualized
    determination of causation for the district court to grant judgment as to the causation issue.75
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    If the defendants’ contested causation as to any particular
    plaintiff (for example, if a particular plaintiff could have
    sustained his or her injury, in whole or in part, as a result of
    excessive smoking), they could file a motion opposing judgment as
    to that plaintiff with supporting affidavits discussing the
    specific evidence that should preclude judgment as to that
    plaintiff. Although this process could, potentially, still result
    in the necessity of several plaintiff-specific determinations, it
    would at least dispose of the causation issue as to many of the
    plaintiffs.    Alternatively, and perhaps preferably, if the
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    The question of damages, however, is another story. The inescapable reality is that Texas
    law requires that determinations of damages be made as to individuals, not as to groups, and this
    Court is powerless to alter that reality. As stated, the Ad Hoc Committee’s report concluded that
    the only real solution to the problems posed by the asbestos litigation crisis lies with Congress,
    but the Ad Hoc Committee continued that “[a]t the same time, or failing congressional action, the
    federal judiciary must itself act now to achieve the best performance possible from the system
    under current law.” AD HOC COMMITTEE REPORT 4. Judge Parker made a valiant and admirable
    effort to take such action. Unfortunately, however, this Court is without the power to sanction or
    condone his approach.
    Although resolution of these cases, under the current state of law, would require an
    inordinate number of damages trials, the parties involved should not lightly cast aside the figures
    that Judge Parker arrived at in phase III as representative of actual damages in each category of
    disease. In arriving at these figures, Judge Parker tried 160 individual “sample” cases from each
    of the five disease categories represented by the pool of plaintiffs. The two juries that tried those
    160 cases determined only whether each particular “sample” plaintiff suffered from an asbestos-
    related disease or injury and, if so, the amount of damages incurred. Following the trials, Judge
    Parker held a one day hearing after which he determined that the “sample” cases within each
    disease category were reliably representative of the more than 2,000 remaining
    “extrapolation” cases. Judge Parker then assigned each “extrapolation” case to a disease category
    and awarded actual damages equal to the average of the awards in the “sample” cases involving
    the same disease.
    In sum, the judiciary’s utter inability to adequately address the seemingly insurmountable
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    defendants contend that a plaintiff’s injury was the result of
    something other than the defendants’ products, they could address
    that contention during the damages phase, at which time (as the
    majority opinion in this case makes clear) a jury must determine
    each plaintiffs’ damages on an individualized basis.
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    problems posed by asbestos litigation further underscores the need for legislative action.
    Nevertheless, although the procedure outlined above does not satisfy the demands of Texas law
    requiring individual determinations of damages, the parties should take notice of these figures as
    representative of an appropriate settlement range within each disease category. Such notice is
    particularly advisable for Pittsburgh Corning, against whom the phase I jury awarded a three to
    one punitive damages multiplier (i.e., $3.00 of punitive damages for every $1.00 of actual
    damages).
    I tend to agree with Judge Thomas F. Hogan’s Separate Dissenting Statement to the Ad
    Hoc Committee’s report.76 Judge Thomas acknowledged the “national crisis involving asbestos
    litigation,” but expressed concern with the Ad Hoc Committee’s recommendation that, if
    Congress chose not to accept the Committee’s recommendation of a national legislative scheme
    to deal with asbestos claims, Congress should consider legislation to expressly authorize the
    consolidation and collective trial of asbestos cases in order to expedite disposition of cases in
    federal courts with heavy asbestos personal injury caseloads. AD HOC COMMITTEE REPORT 41-43
    (Separate Dissenting Statement of Judge Thomas F. Hogan). Judge Hogan stated:
    My concern is the underlying premise of the report regarding the use of class action
    “collective” trials (trials by aggregation of claims) of asbestos cases. It is a novel and
    radical procedure that has never been accepted by an appellate court. It has been
    challenged as being constitutionally suspect in denying defendants their due process and
    jury trial rights as to individualized claimants, as well as conflicting with the court’s
    obligations to apply state law. . . .
    This recommendation, aside from the constitutional question, as a practical matter
    may well prove impossible to execute. See generally, the reference to the Cimino trial
    (passim) [referring, ironically, to the present case]. Trial by aggregation of claims and
    then the extrapolation of the damages by the court has been recognized by the Committee
    itself as being “the most radical solution . . . .” See Report at 21. As mentioned, it has
    never been approved by any appellate court.
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    The members of the Ad Hoc Committee were Judge Thomas M.
    Reavley (Chairman), Judge David D. Dowd, Jr., Judge Thomas F. Hogan
    (who filed a Separate Dissenting Statement), Judge John F. Nangle,
    Judge Robert M. Parker (the same Judge Parker who tried the cases
    before us on this appeal, except that he is now a Fifth Circuit
    Judge) and Judge Sam C. Pointer, Jr.
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    Id. at 41.
    Our decision in this case shows that Judge Hogan’s prophecy rang true. Judge Hogan did
    agree that “a national solution is the only answer.” 
    Id. at 42.
    He continued, however, that
    “[s]ince the aggregation or collective trial method is highly questionable, a logical and viable
    solution would be the passage by Congress of an administrative claims procedure similar to the
    Black Lung legislation.” 
    Id. Judge Hogan
    concluded:
    There already exists a model to follow in the Black Lung program. If there is to be any
    Conference action, it is hoped the Conference would suggest that Congress consider such
    an approach.
    
    Id. at 43.
    I agree with Judge Hogan’s comments. Obviously, the type of consolidation attempted in
    this case is unworkable in practice. Fibreboard and the majority opinion in this case make that
    much abundantly clear. As I have discussed, it is also apparent that the federal judiciary has not
    been able to formulate an appropriate response to the asbestos litigation crisis. In fact, this case
    suggests that we may be without the power to do so.
    As such, there must be some alternative solution. The power to devise such a solution lies
    solely in the halls of Congress. Although I do not express any opinion on the strengths and
    weaknesses of the Federal Black Lung Program as implemented, the underlying concept of setting
    up an administrative claims procedure to handle a massive amount of claims for disabling
    employment-related impairments makes sense in the context of dealing with claims for asbestos-
    related injuries. Congress promulgated the Black Lung Program to rectify the historical lack of
    adequate state compensatory schemes for miners suffering from pneumoconiosis. 30 U.S.C. §
    901 (1998). Similarly, asbestos-related injuries have presented the courts with an unmanageable
    situation, which has resulted in an inadequate method of compensation for such injuries, both
    from the plaintiffs’ and defendants’ point of view. As such, I join Judge Hogan in urging
    Congress to formulate an administrative claim procedure for dealing with claims for asbestos-
    related injuries modeled on the Black Lung legislation.
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    In conclusion, I agree with the rationale and the result which the majority opinion has
    reached. Our hands are tied by the United States Constitution. We must respect Texas law and
    the Seventh Amendment. As the Ad Hoc Committee noted:
    The picture is not a pretty one. Decisions concerning thousands of deaths, millions of
    injuries, and billions of dollars are entangled in a litigation system whose strengths have
    increasingly been overshadowed by its weaknesses.
    AD HOC COMMITTEE REPORT 2 (quoting statements of the Institute for Civil Justice of the Rand
    Corporation). This statement still holds true; however, the picture is much worse today. I
    implore Congress to heed the plight of the judiciary and the thousands of individuals and
    corporations involved. Congress alone has the power to devise a system to even attempt to
    alleviate these most pressing of concerns. Congress utilized this power in response to the plight
    of the coal miners. Simply stated, it is Congress’ duty and responsibility to do the same in
    response to the asbestos litigation crisis.
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