Garcia v. Secretary of Labor ( 1993 )


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  •                     UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT
    _____________________
    No. 92-8572
    _____________________
    MARIO GARCIA,
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    VERSUS
    THE SECRETARY OF LABOR,
    Defendant-Appellant.
    ____________________________________________________
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Western District of Texas
    _____________________________________________________
    (December 15, 1993)
    Before KING and      BARKSDALE,    Circuit     Judges,   and   DUPLANTIER,1
    District Judge.
    BARKSDALE, Circuit Judge:
    This appeal from the district court's reversing the decision
    by the Secretary of Labor that farm labor contractor Mario Garcia
    knowingly employed illegal aliens, in violation of 29 U.S.C. §
    1816(a) (repealed 1986), turns on the Secretary's interpretation of
    that statute and the sufficiency of the evidence supporting that
    decision, which was contrary to that reached by the Administrative
    Law Judge.    We AFFIRM.
    1
    District Judge of the Eastern District of Louisiana, sitting
    by designation.
    I.
    Garcia provided workers for several farm owners in the "Lower
    Valley" region of El Paso County, Texas.   In the spring of 1985,
    the Department of Labor began an investigation into his hiring
    practices.   As part of that investigation, it reviewed Border
    Patrol deportation records for August 1983 to May 1985.
    Garcia's legal odyssey began almost eight years ago, in March
    1986, when, as a result of the investigation, the Department, inter
    alia, assessed $119,275 in civil penalties.     At the subsequent
    hearing before the ALJ, the Department claimed that, in several
    respects, Garcia had violated the Migrant and Seasonal Agricultural
    Worker Protection Act, 29 U.S.C. §§ 1801-1872. Concerning the only
    issue before us, the ALJ concluded that Garcia had not knowingly
    employed illegal aliens in violation of § 1816(a) (repealed 1986).2
    2
    Because the ALJ found that the Department's position was not
    substantially justified, Garcia was awarded attorney's fees. The
    ALJ found:
    The [Department] pursued the case in spite of the
    fact that it had almost no reliable evidence to
    support its position .... [It] pursued this action
    against [Garcia] for thousands of dollars although
    there was little legitimate basis in fact or law.
    The violations found against Garcia by the ALJ included
    failures to keep required records and display a poster advising
    workers of their rights under the Act ($110 fine); the Secretary
    and district court affirmed.    The ALJ found for Garcia on the
    charge that he had employed a farm labor contractor without an
    appropriate certificate of registration; the Secretary reversed,
    imposing a $150 fine; the district court affirmed. These rulings
    are not on appeal.    The Secretary also reversed the award of
    attorney's fees; that decision was not before the district court.
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    More than four years later,3 the Secretary reversed this
    conclusion, assessed $118,800 in penalties ($400 for each of the
    297 illegal aliens), and revoked Garcia's farm labor contractor
    certificate of registration.4         The Secretary's conclusion that
    Garcia knowingly employed illegal aliens was based on his failure
    to check documents prescribed by her.
    Garcia appealed to the district court, which, inter alia, held
    for Garcia on the issue of knowingly employing illegal workers.5
    After   carefully   essaying   the    proper   standard   for   review   and
    recognizing the appropriate deference to be accorded the Secretary,
    it reversed for two reasons:         it found insubstantial evidence to
    support the Secretary's conclusion; and it held that the basis for
    that conclusion -- failure to check prescribed documents -- was the
    product of an impermissible construction of the statute.
    3
    It goes without saying that delay of this magnitude is of
    great concern.
    4
    When the decision was rendered in 1991, Lynn Martin was
    Secretary of Labor.
    5
    The Act permits any person against whom civil penalties have
    been imposed or whose farm labor contractor's certificate of
    registration has been revoked to seek review in district court,
    with appeal to circuit court. See 29 U.S.C. §§ 1813(c), 1853(c).
    The district court ruled on cross-motions for summary
    judgment.   Of course, the ruling was based on the undisputed
    administrative record, to which the district court's review is
    necessarily confined. See 5 U.S.C. § 706; see also 29 U.S.C. §§
    1813(c), 1853(c) (referring to § 706(2)(E) for appropriate standard
    of judicial review).
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    II.
    A.
    The Secretary contends that the district court erred when it
    held that, as a matter of law, Garcia was not obligated by § 1816
    to verify his workers' legal status in this country.           That section
    provided in part:
    No farm labor contractor shall recruit, hire,
    employ, or use, with knowledge, the services of any
    individual who is an alien not lawfully admitted
    for permanent residence or who has not been
    authorized by the Attorney General to accept
    employment.
    29 U.S.C. § 1816(a) (repealed 1986) (emphasis added).               Section
    1816(b) added the following:
    A farm labor contractor shall be considered to
    have complied with subsection (a) of this section
    if the farm labor contractor demonstrates that the
    farm labor contractor relied in good faith on
    documentation prescribed by the Secretary ....
    29 U.S.C. § 1816(b) (repealed 1986).          Pursuant to § 1816(b), the
    Secretary prescribed a number of documents. See 29 C.F.R. § 500.59
    (repealed 1986).6
    The Secretary maintains that § 1816 created an objective
    standard; that in a geographic area in which illegal workers are
    likely to be encountered, a failure to check documents should be
    deemed   a    proscribed   knowing        employment   under   §   1816(a).
    Accordingly, she asserts that the "Department need only establish
    6
    Those documents included, inter alia: birth certificates,
    United States passports, certificates of citizenship, certificates
    of naturalization, United States identification cards issued by the
    INS, and consular reports of birth. 29 C.F.R. § 500.59 (repealed
    1986).
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    the presence of illegal aliens in Garcia's workcrew in order for
    the burden to shift to Garcia to show that he relied in good faith
    on the prescribed documentation." Because Garcia did not check the
    prescribed documents in the manner advocated by the Secretary,7 she
    claims that he violated § 1816.
    The deference we accord the Secretary's interpretation of a
    statute she   is   charged   with    administering   is   subject   to   the
    following well-known standard:
    When a court reviews an agency's construction of
    the statute which it administers, it is confronted
    with two questions. First, always, is the question
    whether Congress has directly spoken to the precise
    question at issue. If the intent of Congress is
    clear, that is the end of the matter; for the
    court, as well as the agency, must give effect to
    the unambiguously expressed intent of Congress....
    [I]f the statute is silent or ambiguous with
    respect to the specific issue, the question for the
    court is whether the agency's answer is based on a
    permissible construction of the statute.
    Chevron, U.S.A., Inc. v. Natural Resources Defense Council, Inc.,
    
    467 U.S. 837
    , 842-43 (1984).        Accordingly, we do not defer to an
    interpretation which frustrates the clear intent of Congress.            See
    Nicklos Drilling Co. v. Cowart, 
    927 F.2d 828
    , 831-32 (5th Cir.
    7
    Garcia testified that he asked workers for a social security
    card or passport, and hired a worker if he possessed the former.
    The Secretary asserts correctly that a social security card alone
    would not fulfill the requirements of 29 C.F.R. § 500.59 (repealed
    1986). Still, the ALJ determined that Garcia, who lacks formal
    education and is not conversant in English, "constructively
    complied with this requirement to the extent that could be
    realistically expected."    The Secretary disagreed, finding "no
    basis for finding constructive compliance". Because we hold that
    the Secretary's determination that § 1816(a) and § 500.59 placed an
    affirmative duty on farm labor contractors to check the prescribed
    documents is an impermissible interpretation of the statute and
    regulation, we need not reach the issue of constructive compliance.
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    1991) (en banc), aff'd, 
    112 S. Ct. 2589
    (1992); see also 
    Chevron, 467 U.S. at 843
    n.9 ("The judiciary is the final authority on
    issues of statutory construction and must reject administrative
    constructions which are contrary to clear congressional intent.").
    Insofar   as     the   Secretary's     interpretation    of   §   1816
    effectively reads out the "with knowledge" requirement, we hold
    that it frustrates the clear intent of Congress.          Section 1816(a)
    proscribed employing "with knowledge" an illegal worker.8           Section
    1816(b) merely set forth a means by which a farm labor contractor
    could demonstrate an absence of such knowledge; it was in the
    nature of an affirmative defense.            Nor do we read the plain
    language of § 1816(b) to place an affirmative obligation on farm
    labor   contractors   to    check   the   prescribed   documents   (though,
    certainly, they would benefit from doing so).9
    8
    This language requires a particular subjective mental state in
    order to find a violation of § 1816(a).       "With knowledge" is
    synonymous with "knowingly". See Black's Law Dictionary 872 (6th
    ed. 1992). Such phrases are usually directed at, and descriptive
    of, an individual's own, conscious awareness of a particular fact.
    See 
    id. Cf. United
    States v. Smith, 
    548 F.2d 545
    , 549 (5th Cir.)
    ("the Government must prove that the defendant knowingly did an act
    which the law forbids; that is to say purposely intending to
    violate the law") (emphasis added), cert. denied, 
    431 U.S. 959
    (1977). Therefore, Congress sought to punish those who employed
    workers with an awareness of the workers' illegal status.       The
    Secretary fails to cite any language in the statute which would
    support her interpretation. And, she fails to assert that § 1816
    is silent or ambiguous on this issue, thereby abandoning any basis
    for deference to her interpretation of § 1816.
    9
    Of course, proof that a farm labor contractor both employs
    illegal workers and fails to check prescribed documents is evidence
    from which one might infer that the employer hired illegal workers
    "with knowledge".
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    The Secretary directs our attention to a prior decision by
    this court which cited 29 C.F.R. § 40.51(p) (repealed) as support
    for   the   proposition         that    a     farm       labor    contractor      "has    an
    affirmative duty to inquire into a prospective employee's status as
    a United States citizen or person lawfully authorized to work in
    the United States."           See Counterman v. United States Department of
    Labor, 
    776 F.2d 1247
    , 1248 (5th Cir. 1985).                        Counterman does not
    support     the    Secretary's         interpretation.                 It   involved     the
    predecessor       to    the    Act,    namely,          the    Farm    Labor     Contractor
    Registration Act, 7 U.S.C. §§ 2041-2055 (repealed 1983); § 40.51(p)
    was promulgated by the Secretary under that act.
    Unlike either the statute or regulation in issue here, §
    40.51(p) required that a farm labor contractor "must evidence an
    affirmative showing of a bona fide inquiry of each prospective
    employee's status as" a legal employee.                          29 C.F.R. § 40.51(p)
    (repealed) (emphasis added); see generally, Counterman v. United
    States Dept. of Labor, 
    607 F. Supp. 286
    , 288 (W.D. Tex), aff'd, 
    776 F.2d 1247
    (5th Cir. 1985).             Neither the regulation nor the statute
    in issue explicitly required such an affirmative showing.
    B.
    Needless     to    say,    the    Secretary's           conclusion       that   Garcia
    employed    illegal      workers       must       be,    inter    alia,     supported     by
    substantial evidence.           29 U.S.C. §§ 1813(c), 1853(c); 5 U.S.C. §
    706(2)(E).    Substantial evidence is "such relevant evidence as a
    reasonable mind might accept as adequate to support a conclusion."
    Richardson    v.       Perales,       
    402 U.S. 389
    ,     401    (1971)    (quoting
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    Consolidated Edison Co. v. NLRB, 
    305 U.S. 197
    , 229 (1938)).              "It is
    more than     a   mere   scintilla,    and    less   than   a   preponderance."
    Spellman v. Shalala, 
    1 F.3d 357
    , 360 (5th Cir. 1993) (citation
    omitted).
    In situations in which an ALJ and a Secretary disagree, we
    "must examine the evidence and findings of the [Secretary] more
    critically than [we] would if the [Secretary] and the ALJ were in
    agreement."       See Syncro Corp. v. NLRB, 
    597 F.2d 922
    , 924-25 (5th
    Cir. 1979) (citation omitted).         Although this heightened scrutiny
    does not alter the substantial evidence standard of review, it does
    require us to apply it with a particularly keen eye, especially
    when credibility determinations are in issue, as discussed infra.
    See Universal Camera Corp. v. NLRB, 
    340 U.S. 474
    , 496 (1951).
    Garcia began working as a farm labor contractor in 1983.10
    During the relevant time period (May 1983 - May 1985), he provided
    approximately 5,000 workers to Lower Valley farm owners.               The area
    is noted for its "general chaos of movement and employment".                He
    provided up to 120 workers per day.             They were seldom the same
    workers day in and day out; the turnover rate was about 60% per
    day.
    Garcia obtained a significant number of his workers from the
    Texas Employment Commission (TEC), which attempts to check the
    legal status of its referrals. Its officers frequent the fields in
    which their referrals are working for the purpose of investigating
    10
    Garcia quit school in Mexico after the sixth grade; he neither
    speaks nor reads English.
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    the legal status of workers at the site.   Eli Vera, a TEC liaison
    officer, routinely visited the fields in which Garcia's workers
    were working, doing so at least weekly. While making these visits,
    he normally determined that all, or almost all, of Garcia's workers
    were legally employed.     On those occasions when illegal workers
    were found at a Garcia site, they numbered four to five out of 100
    to 150 workers.
    1.
    At the hearing, the Department presented only two witnesses
    who were not authorized to work in the United States and had worked
    for Garcia:   Manuel Ortiz, on April 11, 1985; Ricardo Alvillar, on
    April 10-11, 1985.11   Together, their testimony was proof that two
    illegal workers had been employed by Garcia for a collective total
    of three days.    Alvillar had no contact with Garcia; it appears
    doubtful that Ortiz did.
    In addition, Garcia admitted on cross that one of his foremen,
    Mr. Perea, was an illegal worker.       The Secretary states that
    "Garcia admitted ... that he was aware that Perea was a citizen of
    Mexico and ... was not authorized to work in the U.S. at the time
    11
    Ricardo Anaya, the Department's compliance officer who
    conducted the investigation, testified that, in April and May 1985,
    he took statements from ten persons being deported, whom he claimed
    had worked for Garcia: seven on April 11 (including Alvillar and
    Ortiz); two on May 1; and three on May 2. Of those ten, Anaya
    testified that only Alvillar and Ortiz could be located in order to
    testify; the Department offered the statements of the other eight
    into evidence. Garcia objected because, among other things, a pre-
    hearing order required the exchange of proposed exhibits, but the
    Department had not provided the statements to Garcia; the ALJ
    sustained the objection. In its offer of proof, the Department
    stated that the statements "would be cumulative" of Alvillar's and
    Ortiz's testimony.
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    he   worked    for   Garcia."     Although   technically    accurate,   this
    statement overreaches.          Garcia was asked:     "Are you aware that
    [Perea] is not authorized to seek employment in the United States?"
    (Emphasis added.)      Garcia answered affirmatively.        This falls far
    short of establishing that Garcia was aware of Perea's illegal
    status when he employed him.            In fact, the ALJ found that "the
    evidence does not establish that [Garcia] knew, at the time Perea
    worked with him, that Perea could not lawfully accept employment."12
    Thus,     through   these   witnesses,    the   Department   provided
    evidence that, at most, three individuals employed by Garcia were
    not authorized to seek employment in the United States, but offered
    no evidence that Garcia hired them with knowledge of their illegal
    status.
    2.
    The remaining evidence offered to prove violation of the Act
    was documentary.       Several documents were admitted by stipulation,
    but Garcia reserved the right to make objections as to weight or
    purpose.      Three documents are relevant to our review.
    The     first,   exhibit     5,    consisted    of   approximately 40
    Immigration and Naturalization Record of Deportable Alien forms (I-
    213s), all dated April 11, 1985.         The I-213s reflect that they are
    prepared by Border Patrol officers prior to deporting illegal
    12
    Indeed, the record supports the inference that Perea was no
    longer working for Garcia. Garcia affirmed that Perea "was" one of
    his workers, suggesting that Perea no longer is. This would be
    consistent with Garcia's standard operating procedure upon
    discovering illegal workers in his employ: "let them go."
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    aliens.   Most of the I-213s list Garcia as the employer of the
    deportable alien, a few do not, and some are illegible.13        No
    evidence explains these forms in any meaningful respect; we cannot
    discern from them how they were generated, or how the reference to
    Garcia came to be on them.
    The second document is exhibit 6, compiled by Ricardo Anaya,
    who conducted the investigation.   It consists of a series of dates
    of deportation, with the names of persons deported (total of
    approximately 1800) on those dates.    (As discussed infra, the same
    name is often listed under more than one date.)        According to
    Anaya, the exhibit is a "daily summary ... made upon reviewing the
    [deportation] logs kept by the border patrol station", with the
    names being those shown in the logs as employed by Garcia.     But,
    once again, we have no evidence clarifying the means by which these
    names came to be associated with Garcia.
    The third document, exhibit 7, also prepared by Anaya, lists
    the 297 names that appear in exhibit 6 more than once.   Of course,
    this list is not any more probative of Garcia's alleged knowing
    13
    Apparently, the original exhibit has been lost; nevertheless,
    the contents are not in dispute. The Secretary acknowledges that
    two of the I-213s did not list Garcia as the employer. Also, she
    recognizes that at least 14 of the I-213s were illegible. In any
    event, we can infer the essential contents of the exhibit by
    referring to copies of the two I-213s provided in the record
    excerpts.
    Likewise, it appears that exhibits 6 and 7, discussed infra,
    have been lost. But, copies of the first page of each are in the
    record excerpts.   Once again, the contents are not in dispute;
    conflict only arises concerning the weight to be given the
    exhibits.
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    employment of illegal workers than the list from which it was
    derived.
    In evidence was a certification by a Border Patrol officer
    that there are I-213s for all of the names on the lists.                 But, we
    agree with the ALJ that the lists do not prove that Garcia
    knowingly employed illegal aliens.              The certification does not
    explain how an I-213 is generated; in other words, it does not add
    any explanation to the content of the I-213. Perhaps, as the
    district court noted, the certifying officer could have testified
    as to how the I-213s are generated.           Such an explanation might have
    added to the weight we attach to these documents.
    Although the Secretary presents contentions regarding the
    admissibility of these documents,14 few are advanced to support the
    weight to be given them.         Apparently referring to the I-213s, the
    Secretary asserts that the Department was not required to "produce
    the author of the item".         Obviously, we agree; the Department does
    not have to produce the border agent who created each I-213 because
    of, among other things, the "improbability that he would recall the
    facts surrounding any one particular deportation."                  See United
    States     v.   Quezada,   
    754 F.2d 1190
    ,    1196    (5th   Cir.    1985).
    Nevertheless,     the   Department    should      have   called   someone   with
    sufficient knowledge to give "testimony relating to the procedures
    followed in keeping the records".          See 
    id. 14 We
    do not doubt their admissibility; Garcia stipulated to
    that.
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    Finally, the Secretary maintains that the "trustworthiness and
    probative weight of these documents is assured by ... the integrity
    of   public   officials."      More    specifically,       she   contends   that
    "[t]here is no indication ... that the ... officials involved were
    untrustworthy or incompetent in preparing these documents, nor is
    there any other reason to doubt the trustworthiness or accuracy of
    these records."       Once again, we do not doubt this; but, simply
    stated, we do not know either how the I-213s were generated or how
    Garcia came to be associated with the deportable aliens identified
    on them.      For example, did a Border Patrol agent engage in a
    thorough investigation of the deportee's employment history in this
    country and make an independent finding that Garcia had employed
    the illegal worker; or, did the agent put Garcia's name on the I-
    213 because an illegal alien said that he worked for him?                 In the
    absence of any factual basis in the record for determining the
    means   by    which   Garcia   has   been     identified   on    Border   Patrol
    documents as an employer of deportable aliens, we agree with the
    ALJ that Anaya's testimony fell "short of making the necessary
    connection" between the I-213s and employment of illegal workers by
    Garcia.15
    15
    The Secretary once again cites Counterman, claiming that it
    compels us to reverse the district court.        Specifically, she
    asserts that in Counterman, "an ALJ based his holding that a [Farm
    Labor Contractor] had habitually hired illegal aliens solely on the
    testimony of one illegal alien witness and on [Border Patrol] logs
    and summaries introduced into evidence and testified to by a
    compliance officer."    Counterman, however, does not thoroughly
    discuss the testimony surrounding the introduction of the logs and
    summaries. We simply do not know what testimony was introduced to
    explain them. In any event, it goes without saying that we cannot
    look to the records in other cases to determine whether the
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    3.
    We have serious doubts that the preceding evidence, offered by
    the Secretary, produced "more than a mere scintilla" of proof that
    Garcia employed illegal workers with knowledge.             See 
    Spellman, 1 F.3d at 360
    .     In any event, there was additional evidence before
    the ALJ, involving some credibility determinations.
    When evaluating whether substantial evidence supports the
    Secretary's conclusion, the "significance" of the ALJ's contrary
    conclusion "depends largely on the importance of credibility in the
    particular case."      Universal 
    Camera, 340 U.S. at 496
    ; see also
    Texas World Svc. Co. v. NLRB, 
    928 F.2d 1426
    , 1431 (5th Cir. 1991).
    The   Secretary     does     not      dispute   the    ALJ's      credibility
    determinations; rather, she disagreed with the probative weight the
    ALJ afforded the documentary evidence.           Accordingly, we attach
    particular significance to the ALJ's credibility determinations in
    this case.
    Garcia testified that he never knowingly employed illegal
    workers, and that when he became aware that one was in his employ,
    he would fire the worker.            The ALJ determined that Garcia was
    "believable",    and   we   attach    significance    to   this   credibility
    determination.
    In addition, Vera, the TEC liaison officer, testified that he
    believed that Garcia never knowingly employed an illegal worker.
    Because Vera, a state officer, visited the fields in which Garcia's
    Secretary's conclusion in this case is supported by substantial
    evidence.
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    workers   were    employed    at     least     weekly   for   the   purpose   of
    ascertaining those workers' legal status, we attach particular
    weight to this testimony.          The ALJ stated that he gave "special
    weight to Mr. Vera's testimony for the reason that he had no vested
    interest in the outcome of this proceeding other than his own
    reputation in this farming community."               The ALJ questioned Vera
    extensively; obviously, the ALJ's credibility determination is
    significant.
    Because     the   ALJ   found    Vera     and   Garcia   credible,   their
    testimony detracts from the weight to be afforded the evidence
    presented by the Department.         See Universal 
    Camera, 340 U.S. at 488
    ("The substantiality of evidence must take into account whatever in
    the record fairly detracts from its weight."); Texas World 
    Svc., 928 F.2d at 1431
    .      In sum, canvassing the record as a whole, as we
    must, see Universal 
    Camera, 340 U.S. at 488
    , we hold that the
    Secretary's    conclusion    that     Garcia    knowingly     employed   illegal
    workers is not supported by substantial evidence.
    III.
    For the foregoing reasons, the judgment is
    AFFIRMED.
    KING, Circuit Judge, dissenting:
    I concur in the majority's interpretation of 29 U.S.C. § 1816
    (repealed 1986).        However, because I believe that the record
    contains substantial evidence in support of the Secretary of
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    Labor's determination that Garcia knowingly hired or recruited
    aliens not authorized to work in the United States, I respectfully
    dissent.
    Statutory Interpretation
    The threshold issue in this case is whether we must accept the
    Secretary's interpretation of 29 U.S.C. § 1816 (repealed 1986) and
    its accompanying regulations.             The Secretary argues that a farm
    labor   contractor      violates    §     1816(a)      if   he    knows     or   should
    reasonably    know   that   he     is    hiring     or    recruiting        aliens   not
    authorized to work in this country.                Section 1816(a) by its own
    terms   appears   to    make     actual    knowledge        that      one   is   hiring
    unauthorized aliens an element of a violation.                        Section 1816(b)
    provides that a farm labor contractor can comply with § 1816(a) by
    examining and relying in good faith on certain prescribed documents
    evidencing that a prospective employee is entitled to work in this
    country.    As the majority correctly points out, however, § 1816(b)
    does not purport to be the only way for a farm labor contractor to
    comply with § 1816(a).      The Secretary argues that a presumption of
    knowledge should arise if a farm labor contractor is found to be
    employing    unauthorized      aliens      in     an     area    in    which     illegal
    immigration of agricultural workers is widespread, and that this
    presumption should be rebuttable only by compliance with § 1816(b)
    and   its   companion    regulation,       29    C.F.R.     §    500.59     (repealed)
    (prescribing the documents a farm labor contractor may use to
    verify employment status).
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    I agree with the majority that, in a proceeding brought under
    § 1816, the burden of proving actual knowledge remains on the
    government at all times.            In the first place, this reading is
    consistent with the plain language of the statute, while the
    Secretary's interpretation is not.                  The case is analogous to
    Contract Courier Servs., Inc. v. Research and Special Programs
    Admin., 
    924 F.2d 112
    (7th Cir. 1991).               That case also involved a
    statute that proscribed certain conduct if done "knowingly."                  
    Id. at 113.
      The Department of Transportation, however, promulgated a
    regulation that included "should have known" within the meaning of
    "knew,"   and   enforced      its   regulation      against   Contract   Courier
    Services.     
    Id. The Seventh
    Circuit reversed, holding that the
    statute     prohibited       the    Department       of    Transportation    from
    "obliterat[ing] any distinction between knowledge and ignorance."
    
    Id. at 114.
        The court also observed that "knew" and "should have
    known" may be equated if some rule of law penalizes a person's
    failure to make inquiry.           
    Id. No such
    rule existed in that case,
    however, and no such rule has been called to our attention in the
    instant case. This is the key distinction between the instant case
    and Counterman v. United States Dep't of Labor, 
    776 F.2d 1247
    ,
    1248-49 (5th Cir. 1985), in which we emphasized that a regulation
    specifically imposed an affirmative duty of inquiry on farm labor
    contractors     and   that    Counterman      had    not   complied   with   that
    regulation.     The regulation implementing § 1816(b) did not impose
    such an affirmative duty.
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    The successor statute to § 1816 also sheds some light on the
    proper interplay between §§ 1816(a) and (b).           Section 1816 was
    replaced by 8 U.S.C. § 1324a of the Immigration Reform and Control
    Act (IRCA).    IRCA, much like § 1816 before it, generally prohibits
    an employer from knowingly hiring an unauthorized alien.           8 U.S.C.
    § 1324a(a)(1)(A).        Good faith compliance with the prescribed
    verification procedures is an "affirmative defense" to a charge
    that one has hired or recruited unauthorized aliens.           8 U.S.C. §
    1324a(a)(3).16       The legislative history explains how the IRCA
    affirmative defense works as follows.        If an employer proves that
    he   checked   the   required   documents   and   retained   the   attested
    verification forms, he has established a "rebuttable presumption"
    that he did so in "good faith."     At this point the burden shifts to
    the government to prove lack of good faith.
    It should be noted that this is not an absolute defense,
    and the government could rebut the presumption by
    offering proof that the documents did not reasonably
    appear on their face to be genuine, that the verification
    process was pretextual, or that the employer . . .
    colluded with the employee in falsifying documents, etc.
    Of course, even if the employer does not seek to
    establish an affirmative defense, the burden of proving
    a violation of the hiring, recruitment, or referral
    prohibition always remains on the government--by a
    preponderance of the evidence in the case of civil
    penalties and beyond a reasonable doubt in the case of
    criminal penalties.
    H.R. Rep. No. 99-682(I), 99th Cong., 2d Sess. 57 (1986), reprinted
    in 1986 U.S.C.C.A.N. 5649, 5661.      The close similarity between the
    16
    Interestingly, farm labor contractors are given special treatment
    under IRCA. Compliance with the prescribed verification procedures
    is   now   mandatory   for   such   employers.      8   U.S.C.   §§
    1324a(a)(1)(B)(ii), 1324a(b).
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    scheme set forth in IRCA for most employers and that set forth in
    § 1816 for farm labor contractors strongly suggests that they
    should operate the same way.   Thus, as the majority concludes, the
    burden of proving that Garcia had actual knowledge that he was
    hiring unauthorized aliens remained at all times on the government.
    Substantial Evidence
    I disagree with the majority's conclusion that there is no
    substantial evidence in the record to support the Secretary's
    finding that Garcia knowingly hired unauthorized aliens.        The
    majority concedes that evidence exists to support a finding that
    Garcia hired illegal aliens.   What the records lacks, according to
    the majority, is substantial evidence that he did so knowingly.   I
    turn first to the evidence that Garcia hired illegal aliens because
    the sheer volume of that evidence, in my view, raises an inference
    that he did so knowingly. Under the substantial evidence standard,
    the Secretary was entitled to draw that inference, and under the
    applicable standard of appellate review, we should defer to her
    decision to do so.
    Two witnesses testified at the hearing before the ALJ that
    they were Mexican citizens not authorized to work in this country
    and that they had worked for Garcia.    Texas Employment Commission
    Agent Eli Vera also testified that he repeatedly found unauthorized
    aliens working for Garcia (up to four or five on any given day) and
    that he informed Garcia of his discoveries on multiple occasions.
    The exact number of unauthorized aliens that Garcia actually
    hired during the period in question is more difficult to discern.
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    By stipulation, several government exhibits were admitted into
    evidence.   One exhibit was a collection of some forty I-213 forms,
    all dated April 11, 1985, many of which listed Garcia as the
    employer of deportable aliens.           Another was a list of names of
    aliens deported during the period of the investigation totalling
    some 1800 names in all.    The person who compiled the list testified
    that the list included the names of only those deported aliens
    whose I-213 forms listed Garcia as their employer.           A second list
    showed the names of those unauthorized aliens whose names appeared
    on the first list more than once--almost 300 names.              The majority
    gives slight credence to these exhibits because the government did
    not offer evidence to explain how the agents who prepared the I-213
    forms determined that Garcia was the employer of the particular
    alien being deported.      Admittedly, this evidence would carry far
    more weight if it were supported by the independent investigation
    of a border patrol agent than if it were merely the product of a
    brief interrogation of an illegal alien just prior to deportation.
    Without such support, it is difficult to attach a great deal of
    weight to the Secretary's documentary evidence.            Nevertheless, I
    believe   that   a   reasonable   mind    could   accept   the   documentary
    evidence as adequate to support the conclusion that Garcia employed
    numerous unauthorized aliens, and that he in fact employed many of
    them on more than one occasion.          These conclusions in turn permit
    the inference that Garcia employed unauthorized aliens knowingly.17
    17
    Many courts, it may be noted, accept "willful ignorance" as the
    equivalent of knowledge. See, e.g., Garcia v. Donovan, 101 Lab.
    Cas. ¶ 34,574 (CCH) (M.D. Fla. 1984) (interpreting § 1816). See
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    Thus, on the whole, I believe that substantial evidence
    supports the Secretary's finding in this case.            The substantial
    evidence standard, it is well known, is a very low standard indeed.
    It requires evidence that amounts to more than a mere scintilla,
    but less than a preponderance. Additionally, under the substantial
    evidence standard we may not reweigh the evidence, nor may we try
    the issues de novo.         Conflicts in the evidence are for the
    Secretary to resolve, not the courts.      Spellman v. Shalala, 
    1 F.3d 357
    , 360 (5th Cir. 1993).        In any event, the conflict in the
    evidence in the instant case is not great.           Garcia denied any
    knowledge of the fact that he was employing unauthorized aliens, a
    denial belied by the evidence that he actually employed such aliens
    in droves.   If the government's evidence is accepted that Garcia
    employed   some   1800   unauthorized   aliens   during   the    period   in
    question, this amounts to some 36% of his total work force during
    that time.   The Secretary was entitled to trust the documentary
    evidence as circumstantial evidence of Garcia's knowledge over
    Garcia's self-serving denial.     The Secretary was also entitled to
    discount Vera's testimony that Garcia lacked such knowledge.          Even
    if we take Vera's credibility for granted, he could not have had
    direct knowledge of Garcia's mental state, and in fact he testified
    only that he had no reason to believe that Garcia had ever
    knowingly or intentionally employed any illegal aliens.                   The
    generally   Robin  Charlow,   Willful   Ignorance          and    Criminal
    Culpability, 
    70 Tex. L. Rev. 1351
    (1992).
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    Secretary could reasonably have resolved the conflict in the
    evidence against Garcia.
    As the majority notes, the disagreement between the ALJ and
    the Secretary does not modify in any way the substantial evidence
    standard.    See Universal Camera Corp. v. NLRB, 
    340 U.S. 474
    , 496
    (1951).     Although Garcia's credibility was certainly a factor in
    the ALJ's decision that the Secretary could not lightly dismiss,
    she was entitled to discount it in light of the conflict between
    Garcia's testimony and the "obvious inferences from the remainder
    of the record."     Delchamps, Inc. v. NLRB, 
    588 F.2d 476
    , 480 (5th
    Cir. 1979).      The Secretary is not bound to accept an ALJ's
    credibility determination over conflicting evidence, particularly
    when the ALJ relies on "testimony given by an interested witness,
    relating to his own motives."       Russell-Newman Mfg. Co. v. NLRB, 
    407 F.2d 247
    , 249 (5th Cir. 1969).               Thus, the ALJ's credibility
    determination as to Garcia was not binding on the Secretary in the
    instant case.    The ALJ's credibility determination as to Vera was
    certainly not binding; Vera's testimony, after all, was necessarily
    limited to his own beliefs about Garcia's knowledge.
    Because a reasonable mind could accept the evidence presented
    by the government as adequate to support the conclusion reached by
    the Secretary,     her   findings    should    be   affirmed.   Selders   v.
    Sullivan, 
    914 F.2d 614
    , 617 (5th Cir. 1990).
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