United States v. Ramon Alvear ( 2020 )


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  •      Case: 19-10040        Document: 00515414519          Page: 1     Date Filed: 05/13/2020
    IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT
    United States Court of Appeals
    Fifth Circuit
    No. 19-10040
    FILED
    May 13, 2020
    c/w No. 19-10041
    Lyle W. Cayce
    Clerk
    Consolidated with 19-10041
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
    Plaintiff – Appellee,
    v.
    RAMON ALVEAR,
    Defendant – Appellant.
    Appeals from the United States District Court
    for the Northern District of Texas
    Before HAYNES and OLDHAM, Circuit Judges, and HANEN, District Judge. *
    PER CURIAM:
    The district court revoked Ramon Alvear’s supervised release and
    sentenced him to 27 months imprisonment. On appeal, Alvear argues that the
    district court violated his right to confront adverse witnesses by considering
    hearsay during his revocation hearing. On the facts of this case, we affirm.
    I.
    The United States prosecuted, convicted, and incarcerated Alvear for
    various drug crimes. The Bureau of Prisons released him, and he began serving
    *   District Judge for the Southern District of Texas, sitting by designation.
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    his term of supervised release. But according to Alvear’s probation officer, he
    violated the terms of that release by: (1) choking his wife, Lilia Alvarez,
    (2) failing to file a “truthful and complete written report” with his probation
    officer by falsely claiming that he lived with his mom, and (3) failing to inform
    his probation officer that he had, in fact, moved in with Alvarez. 1
    To support these allegations, the probation officer alleged the following
    facts. On March 19, 2018, Dallas police officers responded to a call from
    Alvarez’s house. Alvarez told the officers that Alvear had choked her the night
    before. During the altercation, Alvear had told Alvarez, that “[i]t’s not worth
    killing you. I’m not gonna get my hands dirty. I’ll just get someone else to do
    it.” An arrest warrant soon issued for Alvear for “Assault” of a
    “Family/Household Member” by “Imped[ing] Breath/Circulation,” a third-
    degree felony in Texas. Alvarez also sought and obtained a temporary
    protective order against Alvear.
    But this was not the only incident between Alvear and Alvarez. Several
    weeks prior to this altercation, Alvarez filed a different police report and
    alleged that Alvear was “making threats against her.” She said Alvear told her
    that he was going to post nude pictures of her, taken without her consent, on
    the internet. And on a different occasion, Alvarez told an officer at the hospital
    where she works that she sought a divorce from Alvear. Despite the protective
    order, Alvear had “followed her home from her” job at the hospital for a “few
    weeks” and repeatedly called and texted her.
    With these allegations, the district court held a revocation hearing.
    Alvarez did not testify. Instead, the court heard testimony from Alvear’s
    The probation officer also alleged that Alvear had not made payments towards a fine
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    imposed for one of his convictions. Alvear admitted to this violation and does not contest it
    on appeal.
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    probation officer, a Dallas police officer, and Alvear’s mom. Both the probation
    officer’s and Dallas police officer’s testimony included out-of-court statements
    from Alvarez.
    First, the probation officer spoke with Alvarez “on numerous occasions”
    and “most of [their] conversations [were] about” her relationship with Alvear.
    The probation officer testified that Alvarez and Alvear lived together. And
    Alvarez reached out to the probation officer “on multiple occasions” about
    “concerns for her safety.” During one such call, Alvarez told the probation
    officer about the choking incident the morning after it occurred. The probation
    officer testified that Alvear and Alvarez “were in an argument the night prior,
    and [Alvear] accused her of being . . . a name, and she accused him of putting
    his hands around her neck.”
    The probation officer also discussed her conversations with Alvear about
    the incident. Alvear “denied being physically abusive towards [Alvarez]
    previously.” But one day, Alvear offered more detail of the alleged incident. He
    said that he “put his hands on her cheek[s]” as a “sign of love and affection”
    that night. Only later did he learn that she had “cut her cheeks” on “her braces
    when he did that.”
    Next, a Dallas police officer testified. He was one of the officers who
    responded to Alvarez’s March 2018 call regarding the choking incident. The
    officer recounted that Alvarez told him that “she was assaulted by” Alvear.
    Alvear “grabbed her by the neck while she was driving . . . and began choking
    her.” She had a “hard time breathing,” but she waited until the next morning
    to call because “she was scared.” While there was no sign of physical injuries,
    the police officer described how Alvarez’s mannerisms showed “that she was
    nervous; she was kind of crying” and clearly afraid. The police officer further
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    described his experience in “domestic violence situations.” And he agreed that
    it is “very common” for “victims to have a reluctance or refusal to testify.”
    After the Government presented its witnesses, Alvear’s counsel
    established that Alvarez had filed an “affidavit of non-prosecution” to no longer
    cooperate with the Dallas DA on Alvear’s assault charge. Then counsel called
    one witness—Alvear’s mother, Felipa—to rebut the Government’s accusations
    about where Alvear lived. Felipa described how Alvear stayed at her house
    every single night—including after Alvear and Alvarez got married. Despite
    their marriage, she said Alvear never moved in with Alvarez.
    After the testimony, the district court considered Alvear’s objection to
    those parts of the probation officer’s and policer officer’s testimony that
    incorporated Alvarez’s out-of-court statements. Alvear argued that he had a
    right to cross-examine Alvarez. But the district court found there was good
    cause to forgo cross-examination. And the district court subsequently found
    that Alvear committed the supervised release violations by a preponderance of
    the evidence. Choking Alvarez constituted a Grade A violation of the
    supervised-release conditions. So the district court revoked Alvear’s supervised
    release and sentenced him to 27 additional months of imprisonment.
    Alvear timely appealed, arguing the district court erred in its finding of
    good cause. Our review is de novo. United States v. Jimison, 
    825 F.3d 260
    , 262
    (5th Cir. 2016).
    II.
    In Morrissey v. Brewer, the Supreme Court established “the minimum
    requirements of due process” in parole revocation hearings. 
    408 U.S. 471
    , 488–
    89 (1972). Among these requirements, the Court held that a parolee must have
    “the right to confront and cross-examine adverse witnesses (unless the hearing
    officer specifically finds good cause for not allowing confrontation).” 
    Id. at 489
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    Subsequent to Morrissey, Congress abolished parole and established the
    current system of supervised release. We have applied Morrissey ’s due process
    “minimum” rights to supervised release revocation hearings. See United States
    v. McCormick, 
    54 F.3d 214
    , 221 (5th Cir. 1995).
    In articulating the Morrissey standard, we have established a two-step
    inquiry. We start by determining if the supervisee’s “right to confront
    witnesses” has been “implicated.” Jimison, 825 F.3d at 263. Normally, that
    means we look at whether the district court actually admitted hearsay. See,
    e.g., id. Here, the Government does not contest that the revocation hearing
    testimony included Alvarez’s hearsay and thus “implicated” Alvear’s right. Id.
    So, we confine our inquiry to the second step.
    For the second step, we look to whether the Government has shown “good
    cause” to overcome the defendant’s “right to confront the hearsay declarant[ ] ”
    arrayed against him. McCormick, 
    54 F.3d at 221
    . To determine “good cause,”
    our precedents require us to “weigh the [supervisee’s] interest in confrontation
    of a particular witness against the Government’s proffered reasons for
    pretermitting the confrontation.” United States v. Minnitt, 
    617 F.3d 327
    , 333
    (5th Cir. 2010). In this weighing, the Government may also “prevail . . . when
    the hearsay testimony has strong indicia of reliability.” Jimison, 825 F.3d at
    265 (citing McCormick, 
    54 F.3d at 223
    ). After weighing the facts of this
    particular case, we find that the Government showed good cause.
    A.
    We begin by considering Alvear’s interest. As we’ve previously said in a
    very similar case, Alvear’s “interest in finding a means to undermine the
    putative victim’s . . . statements is certainly a strong one.” United States v.
    Elizondo, 502 F. App’x 369, 373 (5th Cir. 2012). After all, Alvarez’s statements
    formed the core of the case “offered in court to prove the Grade A violation[ ]”
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    of assaulting Alvarez. Jimison, 825 F.3d at 264. Since Grade A violations
    require the revocation of supervised release, U.S.S.G. § 7B1.3(a)(1) (2018), a
    supervisee’s interest is “heightened” when such violations are at issue.
    Jimison, 825 F.3d at 264.
    On the other hand, Alvear’s interest is diminished by at least two other
    considerations. First, a supervisee’s interest is lessened when he had “ample
    opportunity to refute the Government’s evidence via methods other than cross-
    examination.” Minnitt, 
    617 F.3d at
    333–34. In the proceedings below, Alvear
    introduced Alvarez’s affidavit of non-prosecution that at least partially
    recanted her hearsay statements about the alleged assault. See Elizondo, 502
    F. App’x at 370. Additionally, Alvear’s mom testified to directly refute Alvarez’s
    contention that Alvear lived with her instead. Alvear does not indicate what
    he believes cross-examination of Alvarez would have additionally yielded for
    the district court to consider.
    Second, we’ve said that a supervisee’s interest is reduced when they do
    not propose an alternative theory of events. See Carrion, 457 F. App’x at 411;
    cf. Minnitt, 
    617 F.3d at 335
    ; McCormick, 
    54 F.3d at 225
    . We’ve said in the lab
    report context that “speculative false-positive theories . . . offer[ing] no
    supporting evidence” provide “no legally-significant interest in confrontation.”
    Minnitt, 
    617 F.3d at 335
    . Instead, the supervisee must put forward their own
    theory of the case.
    To the extent Alvear has a theory of what happened the night of the
    alleged choking, it is presumably that either no altercation happened or that
    the altercation did not occur as Alvarez said. And if either of those is Alvear’s
    theory, the probation officer testified about both of them. She recounted how
    he denied being physically abusive and how he later added additional detail to
    his story to describe a passionate touching of her face that night. It was that
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    touching, according to Alvear, that resulted in cuts to Alvarez’s cheeks. Thus,
    Alvear’s counter-story was in evidence. And “[t]he plausibility of a
    conveniently” passionate touching of Alvarez’s face “to deny [her] statements
    . . . could be weighed by the district court.” Elizondo, 502 F. App’x at 373.
    Thus, while Alvear’s interest may be heightened, it was undoubtedly
    diminished by the “context of the specific facts” of the proceedings below. 
    Id.
    B.
    Next, we consider the Government’s interest. In assessing this interest,
    we look to the Government’s proffered reason for the hearsay declarant’s
    absence from the hearing or reasons that could be inferred from the record.
    Jimison, 825 F.3d at 264; McCormick, 
    54 F.3d at 221
    ; United States v. Reza,
    759 F. App’x 269, 272 (5th Cir. 2019) (per curiam). Here, the district court
    found that Alvarez did not testify because of fear, and we’ve previously
    accepted fear as a valid reason for an alleged domestic violence victim not to
    testify at a revocation hearing. Reza, 759 F. App’x at 272; Elizondo, 502 F.
    App’x at 372.
    We agree with the district court that there is ample record evidence
    justifying an inference that Alvarez was too afraid to testify. Before the alleged
    choking incident, Alvarez had reached out to the probation officer multiple
    times with fears for her safety. Alvear had threatened her multiple times and
    in multiple ways. The police officer testified that Alvarez appeared “scared”
    when he met with her. And Alvarez had a protective order against Alvear,
    which he repeatedly violated. Accordingly, the district court “plainly found
    good reasons why the government may be reluctant to call an alleged victim in
    a domestic violence case to provide live testimony.” Reza, 759 F. App’x at 272.
    Alvear contests this conclusion on essentially two grounds. Neither is
    availing. First, Alvear argues that a court may not assume a reason from the
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    record; instead the witness must affirmatively declare their reason for not
    showing up. But our precedents do not support such a rule. We’ve previously
    said that “we deem it unnecessary to remand to [the district] court for it to
    make explicit that which is already implicit.” McCormick, 
    54 F.3d at 221
    . In
    other    words,   inferential     conclusions   from   the   “testimony”   and   the
    “documentary evidence” are sufficient to evaluate and find good cause. 
    Id.
     at
    221–26. And, while in Jimison, we could not “infer a strong interest” about one
    “particular informant,” we did not establish a prohibition on such inferences
    where there is sufficient record evidence. 825 F.3d at 264 (emphasis added).
    Nor do we establish such a prohibition today.
    Second, Alvear argues that the Government’s interest is diminished
    because it did not try hard enough to get Alvarez to show up to testify. For
    example, Alvear argues that there was no evidence that the Government
    attempted to subpoena her or that she would defy that subpoena. For support,
    Alvear cites a Ninth Circuit decision where the Government failed to subpoena
    a witness. See United States v. Comito, 
    177 F.3d 1166
    , 1172 (9th Cir. 1999).
    But, in this circuit, a failure to subpoena cuts the other way. We’ve previously
    pointed out that if the supervisee “truly believed that the [declarants] may have
    been able to provide helpful testimony, he could have subpoenaed them
    himself.” Minnitt, 
    617 F.3d at 334
    . And, in all events, the Ninth Circuit relied
    on the fact that “the government offered no evidence of any . . . fear” by the
    declarant. Comito, 177 F.3d at 1172. As discussed, there was ample evidence
    of Alvarez’s fear in this case.
    Overall, Alvarez’s fear, as extensively evidenced in the record, was
    sufficient to constitute the Government’s interest in allowing her out-of-court
    statements.
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    C.
    Finally, we consider whether Alvarez’s out of court statements had
    sufficient indicia of reliability. They did for three reasons.
    First, we have found declarants’ statements to be reliable when
    corroborated by physical evidence. See Reza, 759 F. App’x at 272; Elizondo, 502
    F. App’x at 373. And while no one testified that they saw Alvarez’s injuries,
    Alvarez’s statements were corroborated by physical manifestations of trauma.
    The police officer saw her the very next day after the alleged altercation and
    testified as to Alvarez’s “mannerisms,” her “nervous[ness],” and her “crying.”
    Moreover, Alvear himself told the probation officer that Alvarez did have a
    physical injury that night—it was just from his passionate touching rather
    than his alleged choking.
    Second, we also have found declarants’ statements to be reliable when
    made “under oath and penalty of perjury.” McCormick, 
    54 F.3d at 225
    . When
    statements are made under these circumstances, we have found them to be
    “more reliable than unsworn hearsay generally.” 
    Id.
     Here, Alvarez filed a police
    report and instituted court proceedings against Alvear based on allegations of
    an altercation that night. These actions—if false or frivolous—carry with them
    sufficient negative consequences to justify crediting them with more reliability
    than “unsworn hearsay generally.” 
    Id.
    Finally, we have expressed concern about the reliability of hearsay when
    there is evidence the witness made the statements with ulterior motives,
    Justice, 430 F. App’x at 278, or other record facts did not “alleviate[ ] concerns
    about the [declarant’s] reliability,” Jimison, 825 F.3d at 265. But Alvear has
    pointed to no record evidence suggesting that Alvarez would be motivated to
    lie. And the record facts do “alleviate concerns about [her] reliability.” Id. For
    instance, Alvarez told the same story and acted consistent with it. She called
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    the probation officer the morning after the altercation. She told the same story
    again to police officers. And consistent with those allegations, she sought a
    protective order, which she maintained.
    Accordingly, Alvarez’s statements had sufficient indicia of reliability.
    *      *      *
    The Government had a strong interest in allowing in Alvarez’s out-of-
    court statements, which we find to have had sufficient indicia of reliability.
    Therefore, we hold the Government’s interest outweighed Alvear’s, and there
    was good cause to forgo cross-examination of Alvarez. 2
    AFFIRMED.
    2 Alvear additionally argues that he has an “absolute right to confront an accuser
    under the Sixth Amendment” and that a jury needed to find, beyond a reasonable doubt, “the
    facts that gave rise to [his] revocation.” As Alvear acknowledges, however, both arguments
    are foreclosed by precedent. See Jimison, 825 F.3d at 263; United States v. Hinson, 
    429 F.3d 114
    , 119 (5th Cir. 2005).
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    ANDREW S. OLDHAM, Circuit Judge, concurring.
    I concur in the court’s opinion. I write separately because, in an
    appropriate case, our en banc court should revisit our understanding of the
    defendant’s right to confront witnesses.
    Let’s start with the confrontation right at trial. That right is protected
    by the Sixth Amendment. It provides: “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused
    shall enjoy the right . . . to be confronted with the witnesses against him.” U.S.
    CONST. amend. VI. “This language ‘comes to us on faded parchment.’” Coy v.
    Iowa, 
    487 U.S. 1012
    , 1015 (1988) (quoting California v. Green, 
    399 U.S. 149
    ,
    174 (1970) (Harlan, J., concurring)). But we know it has ancient origins. See,
    e.g., Fenwick’s Trial, 13 How. St. Tr. 537, 591–92, 638 (1696). And we know it
    prohibits the notorious practice of trial-by-affidavit. See, e.g., Raleigh’s Trial,
    2 How. St. Tr. 1, 16 (1603) (refusing Raleigh’s demand to “[c]all my accuser
    before my face”); id. at 19 (refusing Raleigh’s demand to “let my Accuser come
    face to face, and be deposed”); 1 J. STEPHEN, A HISTORY OF THE CRIMINAL LAW
    OF   ENGLAND 333–36 (1883) (recounting that the King executed Sir Walter
    Raleigh on the basis of an affidavit by an absent accuser named Cobham).
    We also know that the Confrontation Clause has provided fruitful
    grounds for federal litigation in recent times. According to a line of decisions
    starting with Crawford v. Washington, 
    541 U.S. 36
     (2004), the Clause
    “prohibits the introduction of testimonial statements by a nontestifying
    witness, unless the witness is ‘unavailable to testify, and the defendant had
    had a prior opportunity for cross-examination.’ ” Ohio v. Clark, 
    135 S. Ct. 2173
    ,
    2179 (2015) (quoting Crawford, 
    541 U.S. at 54
    ). Admittedly, our understanding
    of what’s “testimonial” has changed over time. See Melendez-Diaz v.
    Massachusetts, 
    557 U.S. 305
    , 330 (2009) (Kennedy, J., dissenting) (“It is
    remarkable that the Court so confidently disregards a century of
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    jurisprudence. We learn now that we have misinterpreted the Confrontation
    Clause . . . for the first 218 years of its existence.”). And it appears that our
    understanding of the Confrontation Clause is still evolving. See, e.g., United
    States v. Foster, 753 F. App’x 307, 312 (5th Cir. 2018) (holding the
    Confrontation Clause requires the Government to make a “reasonable effort”
    to produce human-trafficking victims, even if they had been removed from the
    United States before trial and hence were beyond the Government’s subpoena
    power).
    We’ve paid less attention to the confrontation right at revocation
    hearings. The Sixth Amendment obviously does not apply in such hearings
    because they are not “criminal prosecutions.” U.S. CONST. amend. VI.
    Nevertheless, the Supreme Court and ours have recognized a right to confront
    certain witnesses during revocation hearings. We’ve pointed to two founts of
    that right.
    The first is a Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure. Rule 32.1 gives the
    defendant the right “to question any adverse witness unless the court
    determines that the interest of justice does not require the witness to appear.”
    FED. R. CRIM. P. 32.1(b)(2)(C).
    The second source of a supervisee’s confrontation right is the Due
    Process Clause. The Supreme Court originally recognized this right under the
    Fourteenth Amendment’s Due Process Clause in the context of state-level
    parole-revocation hearings. See Morrissey v. Brewer, 
    408 U.S. 471
    , 489 (1972)
    (holding the due-process minimum for parole-revocation hearings includes “the
    right to confront and cross-examine adverse witnesses (unless the hearing
    officer specifically finds good cause for not allowing confrontation)”). Of course,
    federal prisoners do not have parole or the protections of the Fourteenth
    Amendment; they instead have supervised release and the Fifth Amendment.
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    Nevertheless, without apparent analysis, we’ve simply said the same
    constitutional rules apply in both contexts. E.g., United States v. McCormick,
    
    54 F.3d 214
    , 221 (5th Cir. 1995).
    All of this evolution and cross-referencing has created three oddities for
    federal prisoners. First, it’s unclear what if anything the Due Process Clause
    adds to the protections of Rule 32.1(b)(2)(C). The Supreme Court told us in
    Morrissey that “[w]e cannot write a code of procedure; that is the responsibility
    of each State.” 
    408 U.S. at 488
    . And when the States write their codes for parole
    revocation, they must do so in accordance with “the minimum requirements of
    due process”—which guarantee inter alia “the right to confront and cross-
    examine adverse witnesses” absent “good cause.” 
    Id.
     at 488–89. Of course, the
    Supreme Court did “write a code of criminal procedure” for federal prisoners.
    And I’d assume that the provisions of that code—including Rule 32.1(b)(2)(C)—
    satisfy the Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause. So it seems odd that we’re
    talking about the Constitution at all; why not just apply Rule 32.1?
    Second, instead of applying Rule 32.1(b)(2)(C), many of our decisions in
    this area contain nary a citation to it. Instead, we often decide these questions
    only under the Due Process Clause. See, e.g., United States v. Jimison, 
    825 F.3d 260
    , 262 (5th Cir. 2016); United States v. Minnitt, 
    617 F.3d 327
    , 332–33 (5th
    Cir. 2010). That’s odd because the standards are not textually identical. The
    Due Process right can be overcome for “good cause,” Jimison, 825 F.3d at 263,
    whereas the Rule 32.1 right can be overcome in “the interest of justice.” FED.
    R. CRIM. P. 32.1(b)(2)(C). Maybe “good cause” and the “interest of justice” are
    the same thing. Cf. McCormick, 
    54 F.3d at 221
     (saying without analysis that
    “[t]he due process requirements recognized in Morrissey are incorporated in
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    Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 32.1[(b)(2)(C) 1], which is applicable to
    supervised release revocation proceedings”). Maybe they’re different. See
    United States v. Reza, 759 F. App’x 269, 271–72 (5th Cir. 2019) (per curiam).
    Either way, I’d think we should figure out the meaning of the Rule first, lest
    we render unnecessary constitutional pronouncements. See, e.g., Nw. Austin
    Mun. Util. Dist. No. One v. Holder, 
    557 U.S. 193
    , 205 (2009) (“[I]t is a well-
    established principle governing the prudent exercise of this Court’s jurisdiction
    that normally the Court will not decide a constitutional question if there is
    some other ground upon which to dispose of the case.” (quotation omitted)). It’s
    odd that we instead treat all of these cases as constitutional ones.
    Third, oddest of all, sometimes the confrontation right in a revocation
    hearing can be broader than the confrontation right at trial. The Supreme
    Court has told us that protections in a revocation hearing are (at most) the
    same as those at trial. See United States v. Haymond, 
    139 S. Ct. 2369
    , 2378–
    79 (2019) (plurality opinion); 
    id.
     at 2385–86 (Breyer, J., concurring in the
    judgment). That result creates its own difficulties. See 
    id.
     at 2390–91 (Alito, J.,
    dissenting). But it’s an altogether different problem to make the constitutional
    protections in the revocation hearing broader than at trial. After all, one
    premise of our system is that post-conviction rights are generally narrower
    because “[o]nce a defendant has been afforded a fair trial and convicted of the
    offense for which he was charged, the presumption of innocence disappears.”
    1When we decided McCormick, the relevant provision of Rule 32.1 gave the defendant
    “the opportunity to question adverse witnesses.” FED. R. CRIM. P. 32.1(a)(2)(D) (1995). That
    text obviously says nothing about “good cause” or the “interest of justice.” Following our
    decision in McCormick, Rule 32.1 was “completely revised and expanded.” FED. R. CRIM. P.
    32.1 advisory committee’s note to 2002 amendments. Those revisions moved the
    confrontation right from Rule 32.1(a)(2)(D) to its current home in Rule 32.1(b)(2)(C) and
    added the current “interest of justice” exception. But we’ve continued applying McCormick
    without apparent analysis of these textual differences. See, e.g., Jimison, 825 F.3d at 265;
    Minnitt, 
    617 F.3d at 333
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    Herrera v. Collins, 
    506 U.S. 390
    , 399 (1993). But when we ask different
    questions under the Confrontation Clause at trial (is the statement
    “testimonial”?) and under the Due Process Clause at revocation (is there “good
    cause” to admit the statement?), we can get incongruous answers.
    Consider an example. A boyfriend violently attacks his girlfriend who
    then immediately calls 911. The Government wants to use her statements to
    the 911 operator against the boyfriend. At trial, the defendant has no right to
    prevent the introduction of these statements under the Confrontation Clause
    because they’re not “testimonial.” Clark, 
    135 S. Ct. at
    2179 (citing Davis v.
    Washington, 
    547 U.S. 813
    , 820 (2006)). But this same 911 call is almost
    certainly hearsay. So at the boyfriend’s revocation hearing, he can object to the
    introduction of the statements under the Due Process Clause, unless there is
    “good cause” to admit them. See, e.g., Jimison, 825 F.3d at 263.
    The oddities don’t end there. The Federal Rules of Evidence apply at
    trial. And they provide for the admission of all sorts of hearsay: an excited
    utterance, a statement made for medical treatment, a present sense
    impression, a business record, a statement against interest, &c. See FED. R.
    EVID. 803, 804. But the hearsay rules in the Federal Rules of Evidence do not
    apply in revocation hearings. FED. R. EVID. 1101(d)(3); Reza, 759 F. App’x at
    271. So if the Government wants to use these same (otherwise-admissible)
    hearsay statements at a revocation hearing, the court has to apply the “good
    cause” analysis demanded by the Due Process Clause. That’s an additional
    hurdle that applies post-conviction that does not apply pre-conviction. 2 How
    odd.
    2 Perhaps recognizing this, the Second Circuit has held the Due Process Clause does
    not “oblige[ ] the district court to perform a good-cause analysis with respect to a proffered
    out-of-court statement [that] is admissible under an established exception to the hearsay
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    At some point, we should square this circle.
    rule.” United States v. Williams, 
    443 F.3d 35
    , 45 (2d Cir. 2006) (quotation omitted). As far as
    I can tell, we do not have the same rule in our Circuit.
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