Feds for Medical Freedom v. Biden ( 2023 )


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  • Case: 22-40043    Document: 00516687563         Page: 1    Date Filed: 03/23/2023
    United States Court of Appeals
    for the Fifth Circuit                               United States Court of Appeals
    Fifth Circuit
    FILED
    March 23, 2023
    No. 22-40043                         Lyle W. Cayce
    Clerk
    Feds for Medical Freedom; Local 918, American
    Federation of Government Employees; Highland
    Engineering, Incorporated; Raymond A. Beebe, Jr.; John
    Armbrust; et al.,
    Plaintiffs—Appellees,
    versus
    Joseph R. Biden, Jr., in his official capacity as President of the United
    States; The United States of America; Pete Buttigieg, in
    his official capacity as Secretary of Transportation; Department of
    Transportation; Janet Yellen, in her official capacity as Secretary
    of Treasury; et al.,
    Defendants—Appellants.
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Southern District of Texas
    USDC No. 3:21-CV-356
    Before Richman, Chief Judge, and Jones, Smith, Barksdale,
    Stewart, Dennis, Elrod, Southwick, Haynes, Graves,
    Higginson, Willett, Ho, Duncan, Engelhardt, Oldham,
    and Wilson, Circuit Judges.
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    Andrew S. Oldham, Circuit Judge, joined by Jones, Smith,
    Barksdale, Elrod, Willett, Ho, Duncan, Engelhardt, and
    Wilson, Circuit Judges: ∗
    The primary question presented is whether we have jurisdiction over
    pre-enforcement challenges to President Biden’s vaccine mandate for federal
    employees. We do. On the merits, we affirm the district court’s order.
    I.
    On September 9, 2021, President Biden issued Executive Order
    14043, which generally required all federal employees to be vaccinated.
    Employees who didn’t comply would face termination. He also issued
    Executive Order 14042, imposing the same requirements and punishments
    for federal contractors.
    Feds for Medical Freedom is a non-profit organization with over
    6,000 members employed by numerous federal agencies and contractors.
    Feds for Medical Freedom, along with a chapter of the American Federation
    of Government Employees and more than 50 individual plaintiffs, sued for
    declaratory and injunctive relief against the enforcement of both mandates.
    Plaintiffs raised several constitutional and statutory claims. First, they
    asserted constitutional objections. They argued that the President did not
    have inherent Article II authority to issue either mandate. And any purported
    congressional delegation of such power violated either the major questions
    doctrine or the non-delegation doctrine. Second, they claimed both mandates
    were arbitrary, capricious, and otherwise not in accordance with law under
    the Administrative Procedure Act (“APA”). And the contractor mandate
    ∗
    Judge Willett joins all except Part VI. Judge Douglas was not a member
    of the court when this case was submitted to the court en banc and did not participate in
    this decision.
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    violated the APA because it was not in accordance with law. Finally, they
    sought relief under the Declaratory Judgment Act (“DJA”).
    The day after filing their complaint, plaintiffs sought preliminary
    injunctions against both mandates. The district court declined to enjoin the
    contractor mandate because it was already the subject of a nationwide
    injunction. But it enjoined the employee mandate on January 21, 2022. The
    Government timely appealed that injunction.
    On an expedited appeal, a divided panel of our court vacated the
    injunction. See Feds for Medical Freedom v. Biden, 
    30 F.4th 503
     (5th Cir. 2022).
    The panel majority held “that the [Civil Service Reform Act of 1978
    (“CSRA”)] precluded the district court’s jurisdiction. Accordingly, the
    plaintiffs’ claim for preliminary injunctive relief fails because they have not
    shown a substantial likelihood of success on the merits. We do not reach the
    parties’ arguments regarding the other requirements for a preliminary
    injunction.” 
    Id. at 511
    . Judge Barksdale dissented. We granted
    rehearing en banc, vacating the panel opinion. See Feds for Medical Freedom v.
    Biden, 
    37 F.4th 1093
     (5th Cir. 2022).
    II.
    “Jurisdiction is always first.” Carswell v. Camp, 
    54 F.4th 307
    , 310 (5th
    Cir. 2022) (quotation omitted). Congress gave federal district courts
    jurisdiction over “all civil actions arising under the Constitution, laws, or
    treaties of the United States.” 
    28 U.S.C. § 1331
    . It’s undisputed that
    plaintiffs’ claims arise under federal law, both constitutional and statutory.
    It’s also undisputed that the CSRA nowhere expressly repeals district courts’
    § 1331 jurisdiction over plaintiffs’ claims. The Government’s contention,
    however, is that the CSRA implicitly repeals § 1331 jurisdiction over
    plaintiffs’ claims.
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    Implicit jurisdiction-stripping turns on whether it’s “fairly
    discernible” from the statutory scheme that Congress silently took away the
    jurisdiction that § 1331 explicitly conferred. “To determine whether it is
    ‘fairly discernible’ that Congress precluded district court jurisdiction over
    petitioners’ claims, we examine the CSRA’s text, structure, and purpose.”
    Elgin v. Dep’t of Treasury, 
    567 U.S. 1
    , 10 (2012) (citations omitted). We (A)
    begin with the CSRA’s text and structure. Then we (B) discuss the statute’s
    purpose. Then we (C) hold that the CSRA does not apply to the plaintiffs’
    claims and hence does not implicitly displace § 1331 jurisdiction.
    A.
    We begin with the CSRA’s text and structure. The CSRA’s
    “statutory framework provides graduated procedural protections depending
    on an [employment] action’s severity.” Kloeckner v. Solis, 
    568 U.S. 41
    , 44
    (2012). Two parts of that graduated procedural framework are central to this
    case.
    The first is codified at Chapter 23. See 
    5 U.S.C. §§ 2301
     et seq. Chapter
    23 is the bottom of the CSRA’s pyramid. It governs the least severe
    employment actions the Government can take and provides concomitantly
    fewer procedural protections and remedies for federal employees aggrieved
    by those employment actions.
    Specifically, Chapter 23 prohibits federal employers from using a
    “prohibited personnel practice,” 
    id.
     § 2302(a)(1), (b), to take a certain
    “personnel action,” id. § 2302(a)(2)(A). Chapter 23’s “prohibited
    personnel practice[s]” include various forms of discrimination (race, age,
    sex, &c.), nepotism, and retaliation for whistleblowing. See id. § 2302(b)(1)
    (discrimination), (b)(7) (nepotism), (b)(8) (whistleblowing). The triggering
    “personnel action[s]” are limited to the following twelve things:
    (i) an appointment;
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    (ii) a promotion;
    (iii) an action under chapter 75 of this title or other disciplinary
    or corrective action;
    (iv) a detail, transfer, or reassignment;
    (v) a reinstatement;
    (vi) a restoration;
    (vii) a reemployment;
    (viii) a performance evaluation under chapter 43 of this title or
    under title 38;
    (ix) a decision concerning pay, benefits, or awards, or
    concerning education or training if the education or training
    may reasonably be expected to lead to an appointment,
    promotion, performance evaluation, or other action described
    in this subparagraph;
    (x) a decision to order psychiatric testing or examination;
    (xi) the implementation or enforcement of any nondisclosure
    policy, form, or agreement; and
    (xii) any other significant change in duties, responsibilities, or
    working conditions;
    Id. § 2302(a)(2)(A). Chapter 23’s personnel actions obviously do not include
    severe measures such as demotions or terminations. 1
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    Section 2302(a)(2)(A)(iii) (“romanette iii”) cross-references “an action under
    chapter 75 of this title.” Chapter 75 does not use the phrase “personnel action” but instead
    uses the phrase “an action.” 
    5 U.S.C. §§ 7502
    , 7512 (subchapter titles); see also 
    id.
    § 7513(a), (b), (d), (e) (referring to “an action” taken against a federal employee). By virtue
    of romanette iii’s cross-reference, “personnel action” includes both a Chapter 23
    personnel action and a Chapter 75 action. Throughout this opinion, we use “Chapter 23
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    Given that Chapter 23 applies only to relatively mild personnel
    actions, Chapter 23’s review mechanisms are also relatively modest. When a
    federal employee suffers a Chapter 23 “personnel action” based on a
    “prohibited personnel practice,” the employee can file an allegation with the
    Office of Special Counsel (“OSC”). Id. §§ 1214(a), 2302. The OSC, in turn,
    can terminate the matter or refer it to the Merit Systems Protection Board
    (“MSPB”). Id. § 1214(a)(2) (termination), (b) (referral). The employee can
    then seek judicial review of the MSPB’s final order in the United States
    Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit. Id. §§ 1214(c), 7703(b)(1)(A).
    Judicial review for Chapter 23 personnel actions is extremely limited,
    however. As then-Judge Scalia explained: “judicial scrutiny [is] limited, at
    most, to insuring compliance with the statutory requirement that the OSC
    perform an adequate inquiry.” Carducci v. Regan, 
    714 F.2d 171
    , 175 (D.C. Cir.
    1983) (quotation omitted).
    The second part of the CSRA’s graduated procedural framework is
    codified at Chapter 75. See 
    5 U.S.C. §§ 7501
     et seq. Chapter 75 forms the top
    of the CSRA’s pyramid and governs the most-severe employment actions—
    such as suspensions, reductions in pay, and terminations. 
    Id.
     §§ 7502,
    7512(1)–(5). When the Government proposes a suspension of fourteen days
    or less, the covered employee is entitled to notice, the opportunity to
    respond, the right to an attorney, and the right to a written decision. Id.
    § 7503(b)(1)–(4). When the Government proposes any other Chapter 75
    action, the covered employee receives these same protections, id. § 7513(b),
    personnel actions” to refer to the non-Chapter-75, less-severe employment actions listed
    in § 2302. We use “Chapter 75 personnel actions” or “Chapter 75 actions” to refer to the
    more-severe employment actions such as demotion and termination listed in § 7512. And
    unless context dictates otherwise, we use “personnel actions” or “CSRA-covered
    personnel actions” to include any employment actions covered by the CSRA.
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    and can also appeal to the MSPB, id. § 7513(d), and to the Federal Circuit,
    id. § 7703(b)(1)(A).
    Where a covered employee challenges a covered personnel action, the
    CRSA’s review mechanisms are “exclusive.” Elgin, 
    567 U.S. at
    13–14. Take
    for example McAullife v. Rice, 
    966 F.2d 979
     (5th Cir. 1992). There, a CSRA-
    covered employee challenged the Chapter-75-covered termination of her
    employment—but she tried to do it in the Western District of Texas under
    the APA, rather than in the MSPB and Federal Circuit under the CSRA. See
    
    id. at 979
    . We rejected the attempt because the CSRA provides the exclusive
    jurisdictional (and remedial) font for covered federal employees when they are
    challenging CSRA-covered personnel actions. See 
    ibid.
    The italicized clause is very important for two reasons. First, the
    Supreme Court has been clear that the CSRA eliminates § 1331 jurisdiction
    only for personnel actions covered by the CSRA. For example, in United
    States v. Fausto, 
    484 U.S. 439
     (1988), the Court said the CSRA “displays a
    clear congressional intent to deny the excluded employees the protections of
    Chapter 75—including judicial review—for personnel action covered by that
    chapter.” 
    Id. at 447
     (emphasis added). Likewise in Elgin, the Court repeatedly
    limited its holding to the CSRA’s jurisdictional effects on “a covered
    employee challeng[ing] a covered action,” 
    567 U.S. at 13
    ; “a covered
    employee’s appeal of a covered action,” ibid.; and “a covered employee
    [attempting to] challenge a covered employment action first in a district
    court,” 
    id. at 14
     (all emphases added); see also 
    id. at 10
    , 20–21 (reiterating the
    limitation). The Court has never suggested—much less held—that the
    CSRA implicitly strips § 1331 jurisdiction over federal employees’ claims
    outside the CSRA’s covered personnel actions. See Bosco v. United States, 
    931 F.2d 879
    , 883 (Fed. Cir. 1991) (“The Supreme Court did not rule that the
    CSRA provided the only means of judicial review of any actions affecting
    federal employees, but rather that it was the only means of review as to the
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    types of adverse personnel action specifically covered by the CSRA . . . .”
    (emphases in original)).
    Second, the Court has expressly said the opposite—that the CSRA
    does nothing to affect jurisdiction outside of its covered personnel actions:
    Not all personnel actions are covered by this [CSRA] system.
    For example, there are no provisions for appeal of either
    suspensions for 14 days or less or adverse actions against
    probationary employees. In addition, certain actions by
    supervisors against federal employees, such as wiretapping,
    warrantless searches, or uncompensated takings, would not be
    defined as ‘personnel actions’ within the statutory scheme.
    Bush v. Lucas, 
    462 U.S. 367
    , 385 n.28 (1983) (citations omitted). In
    accordance with this express command, federal courts across the country
    have time and again held that the CSRA does not strip § 1331 jurisdiction
    when federal employees challenge something other than a CSRA-covered
    personnel action. For example, installing a hidden camera in the women’s
    changing area of a VA medical center is not a CSRA-covered personnel action
    and hence can be challenged outside the CSRA. See Gustafson v. Adkins, 
    803 F.3d 883
    , 888 (7th Cir. 2015) (“Under the plain language of the statute, the
    term ‘personnel action’ does not encompass Adkins’s conduct . . . [of]
    installing the hidden camera . . . .”). Same with assaulting a federal employee.
    See Orsay v. DOJ, 
    289 F.3d 1125
    , 1131 (9th Cir. 2002), abrogated on other
    grounds by Millbrook v. United States, 
    569 U.S. 50
     (2013) (“Claxton’s alleged
    aiming of a loaded weapon at Appellants does not fit any of the CSRA’s
    definitions of ‘personnel action.’ Consequently, the CSRA does not bar
    Appellants’ [Federal Tort Claims Act] claims . . . .”); Brock v. United States,
    
    64 F.3d 1421
    , 1425 (9th Cir. 1995) (sexual assault). Same with libeling a
    federal employee. See Gutierrez v. Flores, 
    543 F.3d 248
    , 253–54 (5th Cir.
    2008) (holding the CSRA does not apply or strip jurisdiction because “this
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    case does not involve . . . any adverse employment action”). And same with
    illegally searching a federal employee’s home. See Collins v. Bender, 
    195 F.3d 1076
    , 1080 (9th Cir. 1999) (“[W]e do not believe that Congress intended to
    deputize government supervisors as chieftains of security forces that police
    the private lives of their employees subject only to some administrative
    oversight, and we do not believe that Congress meant to shoehorn into the
    CSRA every odd occurrence where a supervisor forms and leads such a
    renegade posse.”).
    Consider for example the Third Circuit’s recent decision in
    Manivannan v. DOE, 
    42 F.4th 163
     (3d Cir. 2022). In that case, DOE
    attempted to fire a CSRA-covered scientist and then allowed him to resign.
    Manivannan sued DOE. Some of his claims challenged CSRA-covered
    personnel actions and hence could be brought under only the CSRA (and not
    under § 1331). Id. at 173 (holding employee could challenge DOE’s internal
    investigation only under the CSRA because that investigation constituted a
    CSRA-covered “significant change in working conditions”). But some of his
    claims were not covered by the CSRA and hence could be brought in the
    district court under § 1331. For example, DOE’s “decision to disclose an
    employee’s records to state prosecutors is not an adverse action” under
    Chapter 75 or a “personnel action” under Chapter 23. Ibid. Same with
    DOE’s conversion of Manivannan’s personal property:
    Even construing the CSRA’s language broadly, we fail to see
    how an employer’s alleged conversion of a former employee’s
    personal property, unrelated to the latter’s federal
    employment, constitutes a ‘disciplinary or corrective action,’
    
    5 U.S.C. § 2302
    (a)(2)(A)(iii), a ‘significant change in duties,
    responsibilities,    or      working       conditions,’     
    id.
    § 2302(a)(2)(A)(xii), or any other employment action set out
    in the statute.
    Id. at 174.
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    In short, the text and structure of the CSRA creates a decades-old,
    well-established, bright-line rule: Federal employees must bring challenges
    to CSRA-covered personnel actions through the CSRA, but they remain free
    to bring other, non-CSRA challenges under the district courts’ general § 1331
    jurisdiction.
    B.
    The CSRA’s purpose reinforces this conclusion. The CSRA was
    enacted “to replace the haphazard arrangements for administrative and
    judicial review of personnel action, part of the ‘outdated patchwork of
    statutes and rules built up over almost a century.’” Fausto, 
    484 U.S. at 444
    (quoting S. Rep. No. 95-969, at 3 (1978)). The old system created different
    grievance rights for federal employees in different agencies; it entailed
    labyrinthine and uncertain administrative review mechanisms that
    disincentivized managers from taking disciplinary action even when clearly
    warranted. See 
    id.
     at 444–45 (citing S. Rep. No. 95-969, at 9 (1978)). The
    CSRA “replaced the patchwork system with an integrated scheme of
    administrative and judicial review, designed to balance the legitimate
    interests of the various categories of federal employees with the needs of
    sound and efficient administration.” 
    Id.
     at 445 (citing S. Rep. No. 95-969,
    at 4 (1978)).
    Thus, the CSRA’s purpose is to streamline and integrate the review
    system for federal employees’ challenges to personnel actions. It does nothing
    to promote that purpose to interpret the CSRA as stripping § 1331
    jurisdiction over disputes beyond CSRA-covered personnel actions. If
    anything, it would disserve the CSRA’s purposes to rewrite it, as the
    Government requests, to strip jurisdiction over every claim any federal
    employee could ever bring. That’s because the MSPB has expertise in the
    byzantine procedures for taking and challenging CSRA-covered personnel
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    actions, but it knows nothing about peephole cameras and wiretaps and
    searches. It would substantially burden the MSPB to task it with such non-
    CSRA matters. And more to the point, if Congress wanted to make the CSRA
    process applicable to every claim an employee could ever bring against a
    federal employer, it could’ve said so. That would’ve made the CSRA less
    complicated by obviating all the personnel-action limitations in Chapter 23
    and Chapter 75—a road Congress plainly did not take. See SAS Inst., Inc. v.
    Iancu, 
    138 S. Ct. 1348
    , 1357 (2018) (“We need not and will not invent an
    atextual explanation for Congress’s drafting choices when the statute’s own
    terms supply an answer.” (quotation omitted)).
    The Government offers two responses. First, the Government claims
    that allowing plaintiffs to bring suits in district court would undermine the
    CSRA’s purpose of creating “an integrated scheme of review.” Gov’t En
    Banc Br. 22. The theory appears to be that federal employees can’t otherwise
    sue in district court, so it would undermine the integration of the MSPB and
    the Federal Circuit to allow this case to get past the CSRA’s roadblocks. This
    contention is quite odd. As the Government well knows, one of the most
    common suits brought by federal employees is the so-called “mixed case.”
    It’s so-called because the employee mixes CSRA-covered claims (for
    example, for CSRA-governed Chapter 75 violations) with non-CSRA claims
    (for example, for sex discrimination under Title VII). See Kloeckner, 
    568 U.S. at
    44–48 (describing mixed cases). Both Congress and the Supreme Court
    say that federal employees are free to bring their mixed cases in district court
    without ever dealing with the MSPB or the Federal Circuit in any way. See 
    5 U.S.C. § 7703
    (b)(2); Kloeckner, 
    568 U.S. at 50
     (holding “mixed cases shall
    be filed in district court”); see also Punch v. Bridenstine, 
    945 F.3d 322
    , 324–25
    (5th Cir. 2019) (holding “the employee [bringing a mixed case] need not start
    with the MSPB—or take any of the roads running from it”—and instead can
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    file in district court). Thus, it’s simply not true that federal employees face
    an “integrated” grievance system that never includes district court.
    Second, the Government claims that it would create a “gaping
    loophole” if employees could see a CSRA-covered personnel action coming
    down the pike and then race to district court to invoke § 1331 jurisdiction
    before it otherwise disappears. Gov’t En Banc Br. 22. Of course it’s our job
    to interpret the words Congress actually wrote, not to entertain such policy
    arguments for writing the CSRA differently. See, e.g., Domino’s Pizza, Inc. v.
    McDonald, 
    546 U.S. 470
    , 479 (2006). And in any event, the Government’s
    policy concerns misunderstand the nature of plaintiffs’ claims. In a case like
    this one, where plaintiffs are not challenging a CSRA-covered personnel
    action, § 1331 jurisdiction would not disappear even if the Government took
    CSRA-covered personnel actions against them. That’s why, for example,
    Manivannan could litigate his non-CSRA claims even after incurring a CSRA-
    covered personnel action. See Manivannan, 42 F.4th at 174. So there’s no
    race to the courthouse because the plaintiff can stay in district court before or
    after the CSRA-covered personnel action so long as he’s not challenging that
    CSRA-covered personnel action.
    C.
    The text, structure, and purpose of the CSRA all show that it provides
    the exclusive review procedures and employment remedies for CSRA-
    covered personnel actions. The dispositive question therefore is whether
    plaintiffs are challenging CSRA-covered personnel actions. If they are, they
    must channel their claims through the CSRA; if they are not, their claims are
    cognizable in the district court.
    We hold plaintiffs are not challenging CSRA-covered personnel
    actions. Plaintiffs are challenging (under the Constitution, the APA, and the
    DJA) the President’s executive orders requiring federal employees to make
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    irreversible medical decisions to take COVID-19 vaccines. “Even construing
    the CSRA’s language broadly, we fail to see how an employer’s” medical
    mandate could constitute a covered personnel action. Ibid.
    We (1) begin with Chapter 23. Then we (2) discuss Chapter 75.
    1.
    First, the Government fails to prove plaintiffs are challenging a
    “personnel action” under Chapter 23. Neither § 2302(a)(2)(A)(xii)
    (“romanette xii”) nor § 2302(a)(2)(A)(iii) (“romanette iii”) applies to
    plaintiffs’ claims.
    Romanette xii
    Romanette xii is a residual clause that appears at the end of a twelve-
    item list. After defining Chapter 23’s “personnel action[s]” to include things
    such as appointments, promotions, and reassignments, Congress concluded
    the list by covering “any other significant change in duties, responsibilities,
    or working conditions.” 
    5 U.S.C. § 2302
    (a)(2)(A)(xii). Such residual clauses
    trigger “the maxim ejusdem generis, the statutory canon that where general
    words follow specific words in a statutory enumeration, the general words are
    construed to embrace only objects similar in nature to those objects
    enumerated by the preceding specific words.” Circuit City Stores, Inc. v.
    Adams, 
    532 U.S. 105
    , 114–15 (2001) (quotation omitted). All eleven of the
    personnel actions that precede romanette xii are typical, everyday
    employment decisions to, say, promote or reassign a single employee; none
    is an irrevocable decision that extends beyond the term of employment. See
    Turner v. U.S. Agency for Glob. Media, 
    502 F. Supp. 3d 333
    , 367 (D.D.C. 2020)
    (“[C]ourts have determined that the term ‘working conditions’ generally
    refers to the daily, concrete parameters of a job, for example, hours, discrete
    assignments, and the provision of necessary equipment and resources.”).
    Accordingly, we must interpret romanette xii to refer to these discrete
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    employment decisions—not government-wide mandates that commandeer
    the personal medical decisions of every federal employee. And we must
    interpret romanette xii to only include conditions that last for the duration of
    the employee’s job tenure—not mandated vaccinations that have
    consequences long after the employee leaves the federal workforce.
    Moreover, it strains romanette xii’s text far beyond its breaking point
    to say it includes permanent medical decisions made outside the workplace.
    “[D]uties, responsibilities, or working conditions” plainly refer to duties,
    responsibilities, or working conditions of the employee’s workplace. 
    5 U.S.C. § 2302
    (a)(2)(A)(xii). It doesn’t apply to personal medical choices. That
    result follows a fortiori from Gustafson because if “working conditions” does
    not include peephole cameras in workplace changing rooms, it certainly does
    not include private, irreversible medical decisions made in consultation with
    private medical professionals outside the federal workplace. See 
    803 F.3d at 888
    .
    This interpretation of romanette xii is further reinforced by the
    Supreme Court’s decision in NFIB v. OSHA, 
    142 S. Ct. 661 (2022)
     (per
    curiam). There, the Court considered whether OSHA’s COVID-19 vaccine
    mandate could constitute an “occupational safety and health standard[].” Id.
    at 665 (quoting 
    29 U.S.C. § 655
    (b)). The Court held no—both because “[w]e
    expect Congress to speak clearly when authorizing an agency to exercise
    powers of vast economic and political significance,” and because workplace-
    safety standards refer to “hazards that employees face at work” and not
    “day-to-day dangers that all face from crime, air pollution, or any number of
    communicable diseases.” 
    Ibid.
     (quotation omitted). Likewise here, Congress
    would need to speak much more clearly than it did in romanette xii if it
    wanted to strip § 1331 jurisdiction over challenges to a mandate that extends
    to every single federal employee’s irreversible medical decisions. Cf. Sistek v.
    Dep’t of Veterans Affs., 
    955 F.3d 948
    , 954–56 (Fed. Cir. 2020) (holding
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    Congress’s enumeration of eleven specific personnel actions in the first
    eleven clauses of § 2302(a)(2)(A) precludes interpreting the residual clause
    in romanette xii to include a modest retaliatory investigation of a single
    employee).
    Romanette iii
    Nor does romanette iii help the Government. It defines Chapter 23’s
    “personnel action[s]” to include “disciplinary or corrective action” against
    federal employees. 
    5 U.S.C. § 2302
    (a)(2)(A)(iii). But plaintiffs have not
    received any “disciplinary or corrective action,” and hence their claims do
    not challenge such actions. Some plaintiffs received “letters of counseling”
    and “letters of reprimand” for their failures to comply with the executive
    order. ROA.1195–1202, 1204, 1206, 1212, 1216, 1229, 1232, 1242, 1244, 1486,
    1493, 1745. But it’s well settled that such letters are not “disciplinary or
    corrective action[s]” under the CSRA. See, e.g., Sistek, 955 F.3d at 955–57
    (letter of reprimand was not a “personnel action” under the CSRA); Graham
    v. Ashcroft, 
    358 F.3d 931
    , 933 (D.C. Cir. 2004) (Roberts, J.) (letter of censure
    was not a “personnel action” under the CSRA). 2 Absent any evidence of
    such action, the Government has no basis to suggest plaintiffs’ claims are
    governed by romanette iii.
    And the Government all but concedes the point. In its panel-stage
    brief, the Government obliquely suggests an employee could seek review
    under the CSRA when he receives a letter of reprimand, but it never explains
    2
    The circuits likewise have held that letters of reprimand and other written
    warnings are not “materially adverse actions” in the analogous Title VII context. See
    Durant v. D.C. Gov’t, 
    875 F.3d 685
    , 698 (D.C. Cir. 2017); Baloch v. Kempthorne, 
    550 F.3d 1191
    , 1199 (D.C. Cir. 2008) (Kavanaugh, J.); Medina v. Income Support Div., N.M., 
    413 F.3d 1131
    , 1137 (10th Cir. 2005); Whitaker v. N. Ill. Univ., 
    424 F.3d 640
    , 648 (7th Cir. 2005);
    Stewart v. Evans, 
    275 F.3d 1126
    , 1136 (D.C. Cir. 2002); Krause v. City of La Crosse, 
    246 F.3d 995
    , 1000 (7th Cir. 2001).
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    how or why such review comports with a wall of contrary precedent from
    around the country. Moreover, the Government concedes that receipt of a
    letter is merely “an early stage of [a] still-hypothetical progressive disciplinary
    process.” Blue Br. 24 (emphasis added). That concession all but proves that
    counseling and reprimand letters do not trigger the CSRA’s review
    provisions. And it’s telling that the Government abandons the point
    altogether in its later-filed briefs. 3
    2.
    Second, the Government fails to prove that Chapter 75 implicitly
    strips the court of jurisdiction. As Judge Barksdale noted in his panel
    dissent, the Government has never argued that plaintiffs have suffered any of
    the Chapter 75 personnel actions. See Feds for Medical Freedom, 30 F.4th at
    513 (Barksdale, J., dissenting). And as Judge Barksdale correctly
    concluded, “[t]he EO’s enactment . . . does not constitute an adverse action
    subject to CSRA. The case at hand is instead a pre-enforcement challenge to
    a government-wide policy, imposed by the President, that would affect the
    2.1 million federal civilian workers, including the 6,000 members of Feds for
    Medical Freedom.” Ibid.
    In its en banc briefs, the Government does not contest Judge
    Barksdale’s premise; it effectively concedes that plaintiffs have not yet
    incurred reviewable Chapter 75 employment actions. Rather, the
    Government (incorrectly) contests Judge Barksdale’s conclusion; it
    contends plaintiffs might one day incur Chapter 75 actions, and that alone
    should implicitly strip the jurisdiction explicitly conferred by § 1331 today.
    3
    Even if Chapter 23 did govern plaintiffs’ claims, it’s entirely speculative to think
    plaintiffs could ever get them before a federal court. See infra Part IV (discussing the OSC
    process).
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    We disagree. “It is quite clear, that the jurisdiction of the Court
    depends upon the state of things at the time of the action brought, and that
    after vesting, it cannot be ousted by subsequent events.” Mollan v. Torrance,
    
    22 U.S. (9 Wheat.) 537
    , 539 (1824); see also Carr v. Alta Verde Indus., Inc., 
    931 F.2d 1055
    , 1061 (5th Cir. 1991) (“As with all questions of subject matter
    jurisdiction except mootness, standing is determined as of the date of the
    filing of the complaint, and subsequent events do not deprive the court of
    jurisdiction.”). And it’s equally clear that we do not make jurisdictional
    determinations based on hypothetical future facts. See, e.g., Clapper v.
    Amnesty Int’l USA, 
    568 U.S. 398
    , 409–11 (2013) (rejecting attempt to make
    jurisdictional determinations based on “[a]llegations of possible future
    injury” and “mere speculation” about what the Government will do
    (quotation omitted)). Just as plaintiffs cannot invoke a district court’s
    jurisdiction based on speculation about what the Government will do in the
    future, the Government cannot deny a district court’s jurisdiction based on
    speculation about what its employment supervisors will do in the future. 4
    4
    The contrary rule would have untenable consequences. Consider, for example,
    the amount-in-controversy requirement for diversity jurisdiction under 
    28 U.S.C. § 1332
    .
    “Events occurring subsequent to the institution of suit which reduce the amount
    recoverable below the statutory limit do not oust jurisdiction.” St. Paul Mercury Indem. Co.
    v. Red Cab Co., 
    303 U.S. 283
    , 289–90 (1938). “[O]nce the district court’s jurisdiction is
    established, subsequent events that reduce the amount in controversy to less than $75,000
    generally do not divest the court of diversity jurisdiction.” Gebbia v. Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.,
    
    233 F.3d 880
    , 883 (5th Cir. 2000) (citations omitted). “Importantly, the jurisdictional facts
    must be judged as of the time the complaint is filed; subsequent events cannot serve to
    deprive the court of jurisdiction once it has attached.” St. Paul Reinsurance Co., Ltd. v.
    Greenberg, 
    134 F.3d 1250
    , 1253–54 (5th Cir. 1998) (citations omitted). Yet on the
    Government’s theory here, a defendant could defeat diversity jurisdiction by saying: “We
    recognize plaintiffs properly pleaded an amount in controversy of $75,001, but we’ll
    produce documents in discovery to show the real amount in controversy is around
    $25,000.” Such future-hypothetical-fact arguments have never been allowed to defeat (or
    create) subject matter jurisdiction.
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    Plaintiffs’ complaint does not challenge any personnel action
    reviewable under the CSRA. Nor does it challenge any personnel action they
    could hypothetically incur in the future. Rather, plaintiffs claim that the
    President’s vaccine mandate violates the U.S. Constitution and the APA. See
    Manivannan, 42 F.4th at 172 (“[W]hen assessing whether the CSRA bars
    federal jurisdiction over an otherwise reviewable claim, courts should look to
    the specific underlying conduct being challenged to determine whether that
    conduct is an employment action covered by the statute.” (emphasis
    added)). 5 The Government does not dispute that plaintiffs’ claims are ripe
    and otherwise cognizable under § 1331. And we can find nothing in the
    CSRA’s text, structure, or purpose that implicitly displaces that jurisdiction
    for a claim outside the CSRA’s coverage. We therefore hold that the district
    court properly exercised its jurisdiction over plaintiffs’ claims.
    III.
    Our reading of the CSRA’s text, structure, and purpose is confirmed
    by precedent. A long line of cases establishes that federal employees can bring
    facial, pre-enforcement actions against federal policies outside of the CSRA.
    For example, in NFFE v. Weinberger, 
    818 F.2d 935
     (D.C. Cir. 1987),
    civilian federal employees sued to enjoin a directive establishing a “Drug
    Abuse Testing Program.” 
    Id. at 937
    . The government argued that the CSRA
    precluded pre-enforcement review in federal court. Rejecting this argument,
    the court noted that its decisions “have made it absolutely clear that civilian
    5
    Judge Higginson points out that some members of Feds for Medical
    Freedom may have incurred adverse personnel actions. See post, at 66–67 & n.8 (Higginson,
    J., dissenting). That would matter only if such actions could displace § 1331 jurisdiction
    that otherwise attaches to claims that do not implicate the CSRA. See supra, at 12 (rejecting
    this contention); accord Manivannan, 42 F.4th at 174.
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    federal employees may seek to enjoin government actions that violate their
    constitutional rights.” Id. at 940 (citation omitted).
    NTEU v. Devine, 
    733 F.2d 114
     (D.C. Cir. 1984), similarly rejected the
    government’s argument that the CSRA precludes jurisdiction over pre-
    enforcement challenges. The court held:
    This claim is meritless. It is one thing to say that when a statute
    provides a detailed scheme of administrative protection for
    defined employment rights, less significant employment rights
    of the same sort are implicitly excluded and cannot form the
    basis for relief directly through the courts. It is quite different
    to suggest, as appellant does, that a detailed scheme of
    administrative        adjudication       impliedly       precludes
    preenforcement judicial review of rules.
    
    Id.
     at 117 n.8 (citations omitted).
    The Supreme Court has also, on multiple occasions, entertained pre-
    enforcement challenges to laws or directives affecting federal employees
    without a word about CSRA preclusion. See, e.g., NTEU v. Von Raab, 
    489 U.S. 656
     (1989) (pre-enforcement challenge to drug-testing program for
    federal employees); United States v. NTEU, 
    513 U.S. 454
     (1995) (pre-
    enforcement challenge to a law prohibiting federal employees from accepting
    honoraria).
    We have done the same. For example, in AFGE v. FLRA, 
    794 F.2d 1013
     (5th Cir. 1986), we cited Devine for the proposition that a union of
    federal employees would be able to bring a pre-enforcement challenge to
    OPM regulations in district court. See 
    id.
     at 1015–16. Similarly, in NTEU v.
    Bush, 
    891 F.2d 99
     (5th Cir. 1989), we addressed the merits of a pre-
    enforcement suit challenging an executive order mandating drug testing for
    federal employees. See id. at 100. We didn’t mention CSRA preclusion, even
    though the claims in the suit centered on the CSRA. See ibid.
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    The Government has two responses. First, it points out that these
    cases predate Elgin, which according to the Government, abrogated them.
    But as we recently held in Cochran v. SEC, 
    20 F.4th 194
     (5th Cir. 2021) (en
    banc), cert. granted, 
    142 S. Ct. 2707 (2022)
    , Elgin did not “break new ground”
    regarding implicit preclusion. Id. at 206. Nor did Elgin address pre-
    enforcement challenges at all. And the Government’s position entails that
    Elgin held sub silentio that the Court lacked jurisdiction in all its past cases
    entertaining pre-enforcement challenges to federal employment policies—
    including Von Raab and United States v. NTEU. So Elgin can’t support the
    weight the Government puts on it.
    The Government’s other response is to claim that most of these
    decisions involve “drive-by jurisdictional rulings” on the scope of CSRA
    preclusion. Gray Br. 6 (quoting Steel Co. v. Citizens for a Better Env’t, 
    523 U.S. 83
    , 91 (1998)). That’s certainly not true of Weinberger and Devine. In
    those cases, the D.C. Circuit carefully considered and emphatically rejected
    the Government’s theory of CSRA preclusion as “discredited” and
    “meritless.” Weinberger, 
    818 F.2d at
    939–42; Devine, 
    733 F.2d at
    117 n.8. So
    it’s no surprise that litigants and courts gave it less-thorough consideration
    in later cases.
    IV.
    Because the CSRA’s text, structure, and purpose foreclose the
    Government’s implicit-jurisdiction-stripping theory, we need not proceed to
    an analysis of the factors listed in Thunder Basin Coal Co. v. Reich, 
    510 U.S. 200
     (1994). See Elgin, 
    567 U.S. at 10
    ; Cochran, 20 F.4th at 204. But even if
    we reach them, those factors only confirm that the CSRA left intact the
    district court’s jurisdiction over this suit.
    The first Thunder Basin factor is whether “a finding of preclusion
    could foreclose all meaningful judicial review.” 
    510 U.S. at
    212–13. The
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    Government contends that plaintiffs have two avenues for meaningful
    judicial review: Chapter 23 and the All Writs Act, 
    28 U.S.C. § 1651
    .
    Chapter 23 provides no guarantee of judicial review—much less a
    meaningful one. With exceptions not relevant here, 6 claims covered by
    Chapter 23 are vindicable only by OSC. And here’s how the OSC process
    works: The employee first files a complaint with the OSC. See 
    5 U.S.C. § 1214
    (a)(1)(A). If the OSC finds “reasonable grounds” of a “prohibited
    personnel practice,” the OSC must report it to the employing agency,
    MSPB, and OPM. 
    Id.
     § 1214(b)(2)(B). If the agency doesn’t fix the problem,
    the OSC “may petition” to the MSPB. Id. § 1214(b)(2)(C) (emphasis added).
    And only a final order from the MSPB is reviewable before the Federal
    Circuit. See id. § 1214(c). This process gives the OSC total and unfettered
    discretion to decide whether to bring the claims before the MSPB. See
    Krafsur v. Davenport, 
    736 F.3d 1032
    , 1034 (6th Cir. 2013) (“[I]f the Special
    Counsel . . . declines to refer the case to the Board, the employee is out of
    luck. A court may not review the Special Counsel’s decisions unless the
    Counsel has declined to investigate a complaint at all.” (quotation omitted)).
    Its decisions not to pursue claims are unreviewable. Cf. Heckler v. Chaney,
    
    470 U.S. 821
    , 837 (1985) (prosecutorial discretion not reviewable).
    This is not particularly surprising, given that Chapter 23 is the bottom
    of the CSRA’s pyramid and warrants the fewest procedural protections for
    federal employees. See Carducci, 
    714 F.2d at 175
    . But the narrowness of
    Chapter 23’s review provisions—and the fact that any review at all turns on
    6
    For example, Congress created an “individual right of action” in certain reprisal
    cases under § 2302(b)(8) and § 2302(b)(9)(A)(i), (B), (C), and (D) that allows some
    employees to sue without OSC’s involvement. See 
    5 U.S.C. §§ 1221
    , 1214(a)(3); Orr v.
    Dep’t of Treasury, 
    83 M.S.P.R. 117
     (1999). But the Government doesn’t argue that this
    exception, or any other, applies.
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    the unreviewable discretion of Government officials—puts the lie to the
    Government’s two-sentence suggestion that the OSC or MSPB could or
    would give the plaintiffs relief against a nationwide vaccine mandate. See
    Gov’t En Banc Br. 26 (so suggesting).
    As for the Government’s invocation of the All Writs Act, it proves
    both too much and too little. It’s too much because the Government cannot
    explain how the CSRA implicitly strips § 1331 jurisdiction but somehow does
    not strip § 1651 jurisdiction. And all of the Government’s policy arguments
    about the former—that it undermines the CSRA’s “integrated” review,
    creates a “loophole,” &c.—apply equally to the latter. But the
    Government’s reliance on the All Writs Act also proves too little because as
    the Government itself concedes, mandamus relief is a “drastic and
    extraordinary” remedy “reserved for really extraordinary causes.” Cheney v.
    U.S. Dist. Ct. for D.C., 
    542 U.S. 367
    , 380 (2004) (quotation omitted). So it’s
    hard to see how it provides “meaningful review.” Moreover, as then-Judge
    Roberts noted for the D.C. Circuit, employees with CSRA-covered claims
    cannot avail themselves of the All Writs Act. See Fornaro v. James, 
    416 F.3d 63
    , 69–70 (D.C. Cir. 2005). So the only way the All Writs Act could apply,
    on the Government’s own logic, is to hold that the plaintiffs’ claims are
    outside the CSRA, thus obviating the need for the All Writs Act in the first
    place. In all events, the All Writs Act does not provide “meaningful review”
    here.
    The second Thunder Basin factor is whether plaintiffs’ claims are
    “wholly collateral” to the CSRA’s review provisions. 
    510 U.S. at 212
    (quotation omitted). “[W]hether a claim is collateral to the relevant
    statutory-review scheme depends on whether that scheme is intended to
    provide the sort of relief sought by the plaintiff.” Cochran, 20 F.4th at 207.
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    This factor again cuts against stripping the district court of
    jurisdiction. As detailed in Part II.A, the CSRA scheme is a highly reticulated
    web of statutes and regulations spanning multiple federal agencies (including
    the employee’s own, the OSC, the OPM, the EEOC, and the MSPB) with
    overlapping procedural requirements and complicated substantive rules. See,
    e.g., Butler v. West, 
    164 F.3d 634
    , 637 (D.C. Cir. 1999) (describing it as a
    “complicated tapestry”). We’ve described the CSRA as a winding road
    which cannot be driven by “the easily carsick.” Punch, 945 F.3d at 324. The
    important point for present purposes, however, is that individual federal
    employees are forced to navigate it to air their individual grievances regarding
    individual personnel actions. The standard fare for the MSPB’s docket
    includes employee misconduct, hostile work environments, whistleblowing,
    and the like. No part of it includes reviewing an executive order for
    compliance with the APA or ordering injunctive relief that affects thousands
    or millions of employees. No part of its byzantine procedures is suited for (or
    even appears to allow) an emergency preliminary injunction. And the
    Government does not cite a single case, nor have we found one, where OSC
    agreed in its unreviewable discretion to petition the MSPB for relief that
    remotely resembles what plaintiffs request here.
    The Government nevertheless contends plaintiffs’ claims are not
    wholly collateral to the CSRA because what plaintiffs really want is to “avoid
    adverse employment action,” namely their terminations. Gov’t En Banc Br.
    17, 21–22. This is an untenable recharacterization of plaintiffs’ suit, which
    prayed to have a federal court “[h]old unlawful and set aside the Federal
    Employee Mandate” and did not make specific employment-related claims.
    ROA.138 (complaint). Declaring unlawful an executive order that requires
    millions of people to undergo a medical procedure is hardly “relief that the
    CSRA routinely affords.” Elgin, 
    567 U.S. at 22
    .
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    The third Thunder Basin factor is whether the claims at issue are
    “outside the agency’s expertise.” 
    510 U.S. at 212
    . As in Cochran, this case
    involves constitutional issues and “standard questions of administrative law,
    which the courts are at no disadvantage in answering.” 20 F.4th at 207–08
    (quotation omitted). By contrast, MSPB’s expertise lies in “ensur[ing] that
    Federal employees are protected against abuses by agency management, that
    Executive branch agencies make employment decisions in accordance with
    the merit system principles, and that Federal merit systems are kept free of
    prohibited personnel practices.” Merit Systems Protection
    Board,        An     Introduction          to    the       Merit    Systems
    Protection Board 5 (1999).
    The Government doesn’t argue that plaintiffs’ claims fall under the
    MSPB’s expertise. Rather, the Government argues that “the MSPB’s
    resolution of preliminary questions unique to the employment context could
    obviate the need to address” plaintiffs’ claims. Gov’t En Banc Br. 17
    (quotation omitted) (emphasis added). The Government provides no further
    support for this claim, however, and we therefore hold that it’s forfeited.
    Innova Hosp. San Antonio, Ltd. P’ship v. Blue Cross & Blue Shield of Ga., Inc.,
    
    892 F.3d 719
    , 732 (5th Cir. 2018).
    V.
    Judge Higginson’s dissent warrants a few additional words. He
    agrees that we have jurisdiction over plaintiffs’ constitutional claims. Thus,
    thirteen of the seventeen members of our en banc court agree that the CSRA
    does not implicitly strip the jurisdiction that § 1331 explicitly confers on the
    district court to hear plaintiffs’ constitutional claims. And eleven members
    agree that the CSRA does not implicitly strip jurisdiction over any of
    plaintiffs’ claims, constitutional and non-constitutional alike. But he
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    disagrees with how we reach that conclusion. We write to address these areas
    of disagreement.
    A.
    As an initial matter, Judge Higginson’s disagreement with the
    majority opinion is perplexing. On the one hand, the dissenting opinion says
    “the CSRA does not provide meaningful judicial review of the plaintiffs’ pre-
    enforcement challenge and [therefore] Congress did not intend the CSRA to
    foreclose judicial review of their separation-of-powers claim” against the
    vaccine requirement, post, at 50 (Higginson, J., dissenting) (emphasis added),
    and “nothing in the CSRA shows that Congress meant to preclude federal
    jurisdiction to adjudicate separation-of-powers challenges to employment
    policies set by the President,” id. at 76 (emphasis added). On the other hand,
    the dissenting opinion says, “Congress’s intent to preclude judicial review
    over challenges to the [vaccine] requirement is fairly discernible within the
    statutory scheme,” id. at 63, “Congress’s intent to preclude jurisdiction over
    pre-enforcement challenges is fairly discernible in the statute,” id. at 64, and
    “the only conclusion consistent with the text of the [CSRA] and binding
    Supreme Court authority is that Congress’s intent to preclude pre-
    enforcement challenges is fairly discernible in the CSRA,” id. at 69. It’s
    difficult to reconcile these two positions.
    The dissent tries to square that circle by arguing that plaintiffs’
    separation-of-powers challenges raise unique constitutional concerns and
    thereby preclude Congress from implicitly stripping § 1331 jurisdiction in this
    case. See, e.g., id. at 75–76 & n.16. But it’s unclear where the dissenting
    opinion would root its concerns in the Constitution or Supreme Court
    precedent. True, the Supreme Court has said the Constitution requires a
    federal forum for certain habeas claims, see Boumediene v. Bush, 
    553 U.S. 723
    ,
    795 (2008), and takings claims, see First Eng. Evangelical Lutheran Church of
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    Glendale v. Los Angeles Cnty., Cal., 
    482 U.S. 304
    , 315–19 (1987); Richard
    H. Fallon, Jr., John F. Manning, Daniel J. Meltzer &
    David L. Shapiro, Hart & Wechsler’s The Federal Courts
    and the Federal System 330 (7th ed. 2015) [Hart & Wechsler].
    But it’s well established that Congress need not provide a federal forum for
    constitutional claims more generally. To the contrary, the first Congress did
    not create general federal question jurisdiction in the Judiciary Act of 1789,
    so all manner of constitutional claims were denied a federal forum at the
    Founding without offending any constitutional principle. See Hart &
    Wechsler, supra, at 25–26; Daniel J. Meltzer, The History and Structure of
    Article III, 
    138 U. Pa. L. Rev. 1569
    , 1585–93 (1990). 7
    Even if the dissenting opinion could identify a constitutional problem
    to be avoided, it then must identify an alternative interpretation of the
    statutory text that avoids it. See Nielsen v. Preap, 
    139 S. Ct. 954
    , 972 (2019)
    (“The trouble with this argument is that constitutional avoidance comes into
    play only when, after the application of ordinary textual analysis, the statute
    is found to be susceptible of more than one construction. The canon has no
    application absent ambiguity.” (quotation omitted)); Zadvydas v. Davis, 
    533 U.S. 678
    , 696 (2001) (“Despite this constitutional problem, if Congress has
    made its intent in the statute clear, we must give effect to that intent.”
    7
    If the dissenting opinion intends to ally itself with an Amarian conception of
    Article III, § 2, clause 1—namely, that Congress somehow must provide a federal forum
    for all cases arising under federal law, see Akhil R. Amar, A Neo-Federalist View of Article III:
    Separating the Two Tiers of Federal Jurisdiction, 
    65 B.U. L. Rev. 205
     (1985)—then it
    proves too much. That’s because Article III, § 2, clause 1 says the judicial power extends
    to “all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution [and] the Laws of the United
    States . . . .” (emphasis added). The Amarian view of Article III would require Congress to
    provide a federal forum for plaintiffs’ statutory APA claims, which the dissenting opinion
    expressly rejects. See post, at 70 n.12 (Higginson, J., dissenting) (arguing Congress can strip
    all jurisdiction over plaintiffs’ claims arising under the APA).
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    (quotation omitted)). But the dissent raises no such plausible alternative
    reading. It simply says there’s a constitutional problem of unknown
    constitutional provenance, so plaintiffs must win to avoid it. That’s a quite-
    odd form of constitutional avoidance.
    B.
    Second, the dissent argues that the CSRA implicitly strips § 1331
    jurisdiction over CSRA-covered personnel actions. See, e.g., post, at 54
    (Higginson, J., dissenting). We agree. Elgin, Fausto, this majority opinion,
    and the dissent all agree (quite clearly) that where the CSRA applies, it
    implicitly strips the district court’s § 1331 jurisdiction. The question of
    course is whether the CSRA applies.
    And on that question, the dissent appears to say that the CSRA applies
    to both personnel actions and pre-enforcement personnel actions. But this
    proposition belies confusion over (1) what plaintiffs are challenging and
    (2) what sort of jurisdiction the CSRA strips. Plaintiffs are challenging the
    President’s vaccine mandate—not any personnel action that may or may not
    be taken in conjunction with that mandate. And the CSRA’s implicit effects
    on jurisdiction depend on the claims plaintiffs choose to bring. That’s why
    the CSRA can apply when a plaintiff challenges his demotion or termination
    under Chapter 75 and not apply when the employee’s boss installs a hidden
    camera in a workplace changing room. See supra, at 8. Thus, if the employee
    is subject to surveillance and then gets fired, she has a multitude of claims.
    She might, for example, challenge her termination—which would be subject
    to the CSRA/MSPB process. But if the employee seeks damages for the
    invasion of privacy itself, which is an obvious injury separate and apart from
    the employment action, that challenge does nothing to trigger the CSRA or
    to implicitly strip § 1331 jurisdiction. See Gustafson, 
    803 F.3d at 888
    ; Bush,
    
    462 U.S. at
    385 n.28.
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    So it might be true, as the dissenting opinion sometimes suggests, that
    the CSRA would implicitly strip jurisdiction over an employee’s pre-
    termination suit to enjoin her termination (i.e., “pre-enforcement challenge
    to a covered personnel action”). We take no position on that because it’s
    irrelevant here. All that matters here is that plaintiffs have identified an illegal
    vaccine mandate and, separate and apart from any personnel action the
    President might one day take to enforce that illegal order, the plaintiffs want
    judicial review of it. The CSRA does nothing to implicitly strip jurisdiction
    over these claims because the vaccine mandate itself is not a personnel
    action—even if a future employer at some future time might take some future
    action to impose some future personnel action on a future plaintiff who might
    violate the mandate in the future.
    C.
    The dissenting opinion next says the vaccine mandate itself is a
    “working condition” of federal employment. That’s so, the dissent says,
    because romanette xii’s reference to “working conditions” is so capacious
    that it includes—and hence channels into the MSPB—any significant change
    to any “circumstances under which an employee performs his or her job.”
    Post, at 57 (Higginson, J., dissenting). Under the dissenting opinion’s theory,
    it’s unclear there are any limits at all on what the President could call a change
    in “working conditions.” But we know there are limits because the Supreme
    Court has said that warrantless searches and wiretaps are so far afield from
    the CSRA’s list of personnel actions that they remain actionable in district
    court. See Bush, 
    462 U.S. at
    385 n.28; see also Collins, 
    195 F.3d at 1080
    . And
    our sister circuits have said the same thing about peephole cameras and
    assaults. See Gustafson, 
    803 F.3d at 888
    ; Brock, 
    64 F.3d at 1425
    ; Orsay, 289
    F.3d at 1131.
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    The dissenting opinion hazards no argument that an employee’s
    irrevocable medical decision like the one at issue here is somehow the
    employer’s prerogative in ways that wiretaps, peephole cameras, and assaults
    are not. Rather, the dissenting opinion contends that Congress contravened
    Bush v. Lucas (and Gustafson, Brock, Orsay, and Collins by extension) when it
    added romanettes x through xii to the CSRA. See post, at 59–61 & n.5
    (Higginson, J., dissenting). Those romanettes bring under the CSRA “a
    decision to order psychiatric testing or examination,” “the implementation
    or enforcement of any nondisclosure policy, form, or agreement,” and “any
    other significant change in duties, responsibilities, or working conditions.” 
    5 U.S.C. § 2302
    (a)(2)(A)(x)–(xii). They say nothing about wiretaps, peephole
    cameras, workplace assaults, or for that matter irrevocable medical decisions.
    We cannot infer that Congress’s decision to cover nondisclosure agreements
    under the CSRA brings with it an implied congressional decision to cover
    elephantine medical decisions in romanette xii’s ambiguous catchall phrase.
    To conclude otherwise, “we would have to conclude that Congress not only
    had hidden a rather large elephant in a rather obscure mousehole, but had
    buried the ambiguity in which the pachyderm lurks beneath an incredibly
    deep mound of specificity, none of which bears the footprints of the beast or
    any indication that Congress even suspected its presence.” ABA v. FTC, 
    430 F.3d 457
    , 469 (D.C. Cir. 2005) (Sentelle, J.).
    Nor would it matter if the President ordered employees to make their
    irrevocable medical decisions “at work.” Post, at 62 (Higginson, J.,
    dissenting). The vaccine mandate still would not be covered by the CSRA in
    any event. After all, the peephole camera in Gustafson was in the workplace.
    See 
    803 F.3d at
    886–87. So too with the hypothesized wiretaps in Bush. See
    
    462 U.S. at
    385 n.28. So too with the assaults in Brock. See 
    64 F.3d at 1425
    .
    The reason these illegalities were actionable outside of the CSRA had
    nothing to do with the location or timing of the employer’s actions. They
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    were actionable outside of the CSRA because the definition of “personnel
    action” cannot reasonably be read to include peephole cameras, assaults, or
    illegal wiretaps. The same is true of irrevocable medical decisions. The fact
    that the President ordered employees to make medical decisions outside of
    the workplace—and to live with those irrevocable decisions even after they
    leave the federal workforce—bolsters plaintiffs’ argument that the mandate
    is not a “working condition.” But it’s not necessary.
    D.
    The dissenting opinion next contends that its reading of the CSRA is
    compelled by “the logic of Fausto.” Post, at 64 (Higginson, J., dissenting).
    Again, we respectfully disagree.
    Fausto involved the removal of a federal employee—unquestionably a
    “personnel    action”    covered       by   the      CSRA.    See   
    5 U.S.C. §§ 2302
    (a)(2)(A)(iii), 7512(1) (covering “a removal”). While the CSRA
    covered the employer’s personnel action, it did not cover Fausto himself
    because he served in the “excepted service.” Fausto, 
    484 U.S. at
    441 & n.1.
    Because Congress carved Fausto out of the CSRA’s coverage, he sought
    remedies under a different federal statute called the Back Pay Act, 
    5 U.S.C. § 5596
    . The question presented was whether Congress’s decision not to
    cover Fausto under the CSRA impliedly preempted his ability to seek more
    generous remedies under the Back Pay Act. The Court held yes because to
    hold otherwise “would have given him greater rights than were available
    under the CSRA to employees who enjoyed rights under that statute—
    primarily those in the competitive service.” Graham, 
    358 F.3d at 934
    .
    Likewise in Graham, the D.C. Circuit held that an employee covered
    by the CSRA must use that process—and only that process—to challenge his
    employer’s personnel actions. See 
    ibid.
     And it did not matter that the
    particular personnel action at issue in Graham (the issuance of a censure
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    letter) was not one of the listed personnel actions covered by the CSRA. As
    then-Judge Roberts wrote: “in granting review with respect to some
    personnel actions under the CSRA, Congress meant to preclude review of
    others.” 
    Ibid.
    These cases teach that the CSRA establishes a comprehensive
    framework for (1) federal employees challenging (2) personnel actions.
    Under both Fausto and Graham, an employee cannot avoid the CSRA’s
    implicit stripping of § 1331 jurisdiction by saying “Congress’s decision to
    limit (1) covered employees and (2) covered personnel actions” should be
    read to allow (1) uncovered employees to avoid the CSRA or (2) judicial
    review of uncovered personnel actions.
    But neither decision strips § 1331 jurisdiction over claims that do not
    challenge personnel actions. That’s why, again, the Supreme Court said that
    federal employees can bring claims unrelated to personnel actions outside of
    the CSRA. See Bush, 
    462 U.S. at
    385 n.28. Congress certainly could pass a
    statute that says, “federal employers are suable under the CSRA and only
    under the CSRA.” But that’s not what Congress said. Congress said
    personnel-action claims must go through the CSRA process—thus leaving
    undisturbed whatever § 1331 jurisdiction might otherwise attach to claims
    unrelated to personnel actions, like wiretaps, peephole cameras, and
    irrevocable medical decisions.
    E.
    The dissenting opinion is also incorrect to contend “this case is
    justiciable because it involves challenges to CSRA-covered personnel
    actions.” Post, at 67 (Higginson, J., dissenting). The dissent’s theory appears
    to be that plaintiffs only have standing because the Government threatens to
    take CSRA-covered personnel actions against noncompliant employees. See
    ibid.
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    We respectfully disagree because the plaintiffs alleged an injury
    distinct from any personnel action. The mandated medical decision alone is
    an injury. When a “regulation is directed at [plaintiffs] in particular” and
    “requires them to make significant changes,” plaintiffs have suffered an
    injury to challenge the order even if the Government has yet to elucidate the
    precise consequences of failing to comply. Abbott Lab’ys v. Gardner, 
    387 U.S. 136
    , 154 (1967); see also Lujan v. Defs. of Wildlife, 
    504 U.S. 555
    , 561–62 (1992).
    Plaintiffs do not have to identify exactly how the Government will enforce
    the mandate; it’s enough that plaintiffs face the ominous order, “get
    vaccinated or else.” See Abbott Lab’ys, 
    387 U.S. at 151
     (holding that plaintiffs
    subject to a regulation had standing to challenge it even though the Attorney
    General had yet to “authorize criminal and seizure actions for violations of
    the statute”).
    Moreover, plaintiffs did not seek or receive relief against any
    personnel action. Plaintiffs only sought an injunction against the executive
    order. The executive order nowhere references any threatened or actual
    personnel action. See Exec. Order 14043. And the district court’s
    injunction nowhere restricts the Government from bringing personnel
    actions against plaintiffs. Rather, it prevents the Government from
    “implementing or enforcing Executive Order 14043 until this case is resolved
    on the merits.” ROA.1770. The Government is thus prohibited from
    ordering plaintiffs to get vaccinated—but the Government is not prohibited
    from taking personnel actions against them.
    True, when a plaintiff seeks pre-enforcement review of a government
    mandate, ripeness is always a concern. See, e.g., Abbott Lab’ys, 
    387 U.S. at 148
    . But in this case, it’s not difficult “to evaluate both the fitness of the
    issues for judicial decision and the hardship to the parties of withholding
    court consideration.” 
    Id. at 149
    . The issue for judicial decision is the purely
    legal one of whether the President can lawfully enact this order. See 
    ibid.
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    (holding “the issues presented are appropriate for judicial resolution at this
    time” because “all parties agree that the issue tendered is a purely legal
    one”). And the hardships to the plaintiffs of withholding a decision are plain:
    they’ll be forced to undergo irrevocable medical procedures and comply with
    a potentially unlawful order or face unknown consequences that “may be
    even more costly.” See 
    id. at 153
    ; 
    id. at 152
     (finding hardship and hence
    ripeness where “[t]he regulations are clear-cut, and were made effective
    immediately upon publication; [and the Government’s lawyers made clear]
    that immediate compliance with their terms was expected”). The mandate
    thus plainly affects plaintiffs’ “primary conduct” and hence is ripe for review
    irrespective of any personnel actions the Government has taken or might
    eventually take. Nat’l Park Hosp. Ass’n v. Dep’t of Interior, 
    538 U.S. 803
    , 810
    (2003).
    F.
    Finally, the dissenting opinion claims that “[t]his circuit’s door is now
    open to all pre-enforcement challenges to federal employment policies.
    Plaintiffs are welcome to challenge any personnel action before it takes
    place.” Post, at 67–68 (Higginson, J., dissenting) (footnote omitted). “But
    this is one of those instances in which the dissent clearly tells us what the law
    is not.” Waste Mgmt. of La., L.L.C. v. River Birch, Inc., 
    920 F.3d 958
    , 978 (5th
    Cir. 2019) (Oldham, J., dissenting) (quotation omitted).
    Plaintiffs in this circuit, as in every circuit of which we’re aware, are
    not free to challenge federal personnel actions under § 1331. Instead,
    challenges to federal personnel actions must be channeled through the CSRA
    process. True, § 1331 jurisdiction remains undisturbed for claims that do not
    challenge federal personnel actions. But even then, the eye of the federal
    employee’s needle is narrow. The plaintiff still must demonstrate an injury
    in fact under well-established standing principles. And if the employee seeks
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    pre-enforcement review of a federal mandate, he must satisfy well-
    established ripeness rules. 8 And even if the plaintiff can thread that needle,
    again, he cannot “challenge any personnel action before it takes place.” Post,
    at 68 (Higginson, J., dissenting). He can only challenge the Government’s
    illegal actions that do not constitute a personnel action.
    Ours is hardly the first court to recognize that this needle, while
    narrow, can be threaded. The plaintiffs in Gustafson, Brock, Orsay, and Collins
    all managed to do it. The sky did not fall, and the doors of the inferior federal
    courts were not blown open to claims that otherwise belonged in the
    CSRA/MSPB process. Therefore in our view, the dissenting opinion’s
    rhetoric is misplaced.
    VI.
    As noted, the panel limited its decision to jurisdiction. See Feds for
    Medical Freedom, 30 F.4th at 511. Finding that we have jurisdiction, we review
    the district court’s decision regarding the other factors necessary for a
    preliminary injunction for abuse of discretion. See NetChoice, L.L.C. v.
    Paxton, 
    49 F.4th 439
    , 447 (5th Cir. 2022). “A preliminary injunction is an
    extraordinary remedy never awarded as of right.” Winter v. Nat. Res. Def.
    Council, Inc., 
    555 U.S. 7
    , 24 (2008). “A plaintiff seeking a preliminary
    injunction must establish that he is likely to succeed on the merits, that he is
    likely to suffer irreparable harm in the absence of preliminary relief, that the
    balance of equities tips in his favor, and that an injunction is in the public
    interest.” 
    Id. at 20
    . The district court carefully considered these factors and
    wrote a thorough opinion explaining its decision to grant preliminary relief.
    After carefully considering the district court’s opinion and the
    8
    For example, the district judge in this case rejected a previous challenge to this
    same mandate as unripe. See Rodden v. Fauci, 
    571 F. Supp. 3d 686
    , 689 (S.D. Tex. 2021).
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    Government’s criticisms of it, we are unpersuaded that the district court
    abused its discretion. And we need not repeat the district court’s reasoning,
    with which we substantially agree.
    The one issue that warrants additional discussion is the scope of
    injunctive relief. The Supreme Court has recently stayed nationwide
    injunctions. See, e.g., DHS v. New York, 
    140 S. Ct. 599 (2020)
     (mem.). But
    the Court has yet to tell us they’re verboten. Some Justices have expressed
    concerns that such injunctions can contravene equitable principles because
    “[e]quitable remedies, like remedies in general, are meant to redress the
    injuries sustained by a particular plaintiff in a particular lawsuit.” New York,
    140 S. Ct. at 600 (Gorsuch, J., concurring); see also Trump v. Hawaii, 
    138 S. Ct. 2392
    , 2426 (2018) (Thomas, J., concurring) (“Universal injunctions do
    not seem to comply with those [equitable] principles.”). For example, the
    English system of equity did not authorize injunctions against the King. See
    Trump, 
    138 S. Ct. at 2427
     (Thomas, J., concurring). And “as a general rule,
    American courts of equity did not provide relief beyond the parties to the
    case.” 
    Ibid.
     As with all general rules, of course, this one was subject to
    exceptions—the most important of which was that an injunction could benefit
    non-parties as long as “that benefit was merely incidental.” 
    Ibid.
    It appears that the district court did its best to follow these equitable
    principles in this case. The court carefully carved the President out of its
    injunction, which is an obviously imperfect analogue to the English king but
    an equally obvious good-faith recognition of the rule. It also recognized that,
    unlike the plaintiffs in both New York and Hawaii, the lead plaintiff in this
    case has over 6,000 members spread across every State in the Nation and
    nearly every federal agency in the entire Government. ROA.1770. And
    plaintiffs cited multiple instances in the aftermath of Executive Order 14043
    where the Government wrongfully targeted unvaccinated federal employees
    who sought exemptions—despite assurances from the Government that it
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    would not do so. ROA.1454, 1464, 1600, 1625, 1645. The court therefore
    expressed its “fears that limiting the relief to only those before it would prove
    unwieldy and would only cause more confusion.” ROA.1770. On this record
    and absent binding precedent from the Supreme Court, we cannot say that
    the district court abused its discretion in rejecting the Government’s
    assurances that it could and would comply with an injunction limited to the
    plaintiffs’ members.
    The Government’s position on the scope of the injunction also sits
    awkwardly with its position on the merits. On the merits, the Government
    wants “consistency across government in enforcement of this government-
    wide vaccine policy.” ROA.810. But on the scope of the injunction, the
    Government wants piecemeal enforcement, where thousands of plaintiffs’
    members across the Nation are subject to the district court’s injunction,
    others are given exemptions from vaccination, and only the remainder are
    subject to the President’s mandate. That undermines rather than supports
    the Government’s purported interest in “consistency across government in
    enforcement of this government-wide vaccine policy.” ROA.810.
    Finally, a word about concerns expressed by Judge Haynes and
    Judge Stewart regarding a purported conflict between this injunction
    and the decisions of other courts across the country. They worry that the
    district court’s injunction awards relief to parties who have already lost their
    claims elsewhere. But our esteemed colleagues reference no cases where
    plaintiffs have lost their claims on the merits. They first cite Rydie v. Biden,
    No. 21-2359, 
    2022 WL 1153249
     (4th Cir. Apr. 19, 2022) (unpublished).
    There, our sister circuit vacated a district court judgment denying a
    preliminary injunction of Executive Order 14043 but only because the court
    concluded that the CSRA stripped the district court of jurisdiction. See id. at
    *1. The panel dismissed the case under Fed. R. Civ. P. 12(b)(1) without
    prejudice and without reaching the merits. See id. at *8 (“We therefore
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    vacate the district court’s judgment and remand the case with instructions
    that it be dismissed without prejudice for lack of subject-matter
    jurisdiction.”). The D.C. Circuit took the same route in Payne v. Biden, ---
    F.4th ----, 
    2023 WL 2576742
     (D.C. Cir. 2023). See id. at *7 (dismissing for
    lack of subject matter jurisdiction without reaching the merits). In all the
    other cases Judge Stewart cites, the districts courts dismissed the claims
    without prejudice on the grounds that the CSRA stripped jurisdiction. See
    Am. Fed’n of Gov’t Emps. Loc. 2018 v. Biden, 
    598 F. Supp. 3d 241
    , 248–49
    (E.D. Pa. 2022); Payne v. Biden, 
    602 F. Supp. 3d 147
    , 151 (D.D.C. 2022); Am.
    Fed’n of Gov’t Emps. Loc. 2586 v. Biden, No. CIV-21-1130-SLP, 
    2022 WL 3695297
    , at *6 (W.D. Okla. July 22, 2022). The overwhelming majority of
    district courts that have dismissed these challenges have also done so for lack
    of jurisdiction under Fed. R. Civ. P. 12(b)(1). See, e.g., Calderwood v.
    United States, No. 2:21-CV-702-CLM, 
    2022 WL 4353382
     (N.D. Ala. Aug.
    25, 2022); Church v. Biden, No. 21-2815 (CKK), 
    2022 WL 1491100
     (D.D.C.
    May 11, 2022); Am. Fed’n of Gov’t Emps. Loc. 501 v. Biden, 
    576 F. Supp. 3d 1155
     (S.D. Fla. 2021); McCray v. Biden, 
    574 F. Supp. 3d 1
     (D.D.C. 2021);
    Brass v. Biden, No. 21-CV-02778-CNS-MEH, 
    2022 WL 11732833
     (D. Colo.
    Oct. 20, 2022). Thirteen members of this court, including Judge Haynes,
    agree that we have jurisdiction and must reach the merits of the preliminary
    injunction. Accordingly, any perceived conflict is misconstrued, and any
    benefit to outside parties is “merely incidental.” See Trump, 
    138 S. Ct. at 2427
     (Thomas, J., concurring).
    We hasten to emphasize that this case only involves a preliminary
    injunction. The preliminary injunction’s purpose is to maintain the status
    quo until the parties have the chance to adjudicate the merits. See Benisek v.
    Lamone, 
    138 S. Ct. 1942
    , 1945 (2018) (“[T]he purpose of a preliminary
    injunction is merely to preserve the relative positions of the parties until a
    trial on the merits can be held . . . .” (quotation omitted)); Texas v. United
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    States, 
    809 F.3d 134
    , 187 n.205 (5th Cir. 2015), affirmed by an equally divided
    Court, 
    579 U.S. 547
     (2016) (per curiam) (similar). When the parties proceed
    to the merits in the district court, the plaintiffs will have to prove that
    whatever injunction they request is broad enough to protect against their
    proven injuries and no broader. And the Government will have another
    chance to show that any permanent injunction should be narrower than the
    preliminary one. And both sides will have to grapple with the White House’s
    announcement that the COVID emergency will finally end on May 11, 2023.
    See Exec. Off. of the President, Statement of Administration Policy Re: H.R.
    382 & H.J. Res. 7 (Jan. 30, 2023).
    AFFIRMED.
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    James C. Ho, Circuit Judge, joined by Jones, Circuit Judge, concurring:
    Our court today holds that we have jurisdiction to hear this challenge
    to the President’s vaccine mandate for federal employees. Moreover, by
    affirming the preliminary injunction, we also hold that coercing an employee
    to comply with a vaccine mandate as a condition of continued employment
    constitutes irreparable injury. 1 I concur.
    Judge Higginson agrees that we have jurisdiction. But he concludes
    that we should deny relief on the merits and therefore reverse. He notes that
    “the ‘executive Power’—all of it—is ‘vested in a President,’ who must ‘take
    Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.’” Post, at 77 (Higginson, J.,
    concurring in part and dissenting in part) (quoting Seila Law LLC v.
    Consumer Fin. Prot. Bureau, 
    140 S. Ct. 2183
    , 2191 (2020) (quoting U.S.
    Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 1; id. at § 3)). He concludes that the President
    possesses the constitutional authority to order federal employees to comply
    with his vaccine mandate, if they wish to avoid removal from office.
    I certainly agree that “[t]he entire ‘executive Power’ belongs to the
    President alone.” Seila Law, 
    140 S. Ct. at 2197
    . Contrast U.S. Const. art.
    I, § 1 (vesting the legislative power in a bicameral Congress); id. art. III, § 1
    (vesting the judicial power in “one supreme Court, and in such inferior
    Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish”). To be
    sure, “it would be impossible for one man to perform all the great business of
    the State.” Seila Law, 
    140 S. Ct. at 2197
     (quotations omitted). So “the
    1
    Cf. NFIB v. OSHA, 
    142 S. Ct. 661
    , 665 (2022) (“A vaccination . . . cannot be
    undone at the end of the workday.”) (quotations omitted); Louisiana v. Biden, 
    55 F.4th 1017
    , 1022 (5th Cir. 2022) (noting that “employees would have to undertake an irreversible
    decision—vaccination—in order to be compliant with this mandate”); see also Sambrano v.
    United Airlines, Inc., 
    45 F.4th 877
    , 878–79 (5th Cir. 2022) (Ho, J., concurring in denial of
    rehearing en banc) (same).
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    Constitution assumes that lesser executive officers will assist the supreme
    Magistrate in discharging the duties of his trust.” 
    Id.
     (quotations omitted).
    But “[t]hese lesser executive officers must remain accountable to the
    President, whose authority they wield.” 
    Id.
    All of this means that the President should possess the constitutional
    authority under Article II to remove his subordinates from office. See, e.g.,
    Myers v. United States, 
    272 U.S. 52
    , 122, (1926) (“[W]hen the grant of the
    executive power is enforced by the express mandate to take care that the laws
    be faithfully executed, it emphasizes the necessity for including within the
    executive power as conferred the exclusive power of removal.”); Free Enter.
    Fund v. Pub. Co. Acct. Oversight Bd., 
    561 U.S. 477
    , 498 (2010) (insulating
    subordinates from removal “subverts the President’s ability to ensure that
    the laws are faithfully executed—as well as the public’s ability to pass
    judgment on his efforts”); Seila Law, 
    140 S. Ct. at
    2203–04 (observing that
    “the threat of removal” allows the President to “meaningfully control[]”
    subordinates, and that “removal at will” is “the most direct method of
    presidential control”); Collins v. Yellen, 
    141 S. Ct. 1761
    , 1787 (2021) (“The
    President must be able to remove not just officers who disobey his commands
    but also those he finds negligent and inefficient, those who exercise their
    discretion in a way that is not intelligent or wise, those who have different
    views of policy, those who come from a competing political party who is dead
    set against [the President’s] agenda, and those in whom he has simply lost
    confidence.”) (cleaned up). 2
    2
    But see Collins v. Mnuchin, 
    938 F.3d 553
    , 614 (5th Cir. 2019) (en banc) (Higginson,
    J., dissenting in part) (“The Constitution affords sparse materials to resolve this
    question—only broad pronouncements that ‘[t]he executive Power shall be vested’ in the
    President and that ‘he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.’ Art. II §§ 1, 3.
    These clauses say nothing about removal of executive-branch officers.”).
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    In reality, however, the President actually controls surprisingly little
    of the Executive Branch. Only a tiny percentage of Executive Branch
    employees are subject to Presidential removal. The overwhelming majority
    of federal employees, by contrast, are protected against Presidential removal
    by civil service laws. Compare Off. of Mgmt. & Budget, Exec. Off.
    of   the      President,       Budget         of   the     United    States
    Government, Fiscal Year 2023, at 83 (2022) (4.2 million Executive
    Branch employees), with House Committee on Oversight and
    Reform,       United       States            Government      Policy      and
    Supporting Positions 209–15 (2020) (commonly known as the “Plum
    Book”) (fewer than four thousand Executive Branch employees are subject
    to removal at will by the President).
    The net result is that there are only a “small number of politically
    appointed leaders” who “enjoy only limited control of the mass of civil
    servants.” Eric Posner, And if Elected: What President Trump Could or
    Couldn’t Do, N.Y. Times, June 3, 2016. Federal civil service laws make it
    virtually impossible for a President to implement his vision without the active
    consent and cooperation of an army of unaccountable federal employees.
    And that presents a rather curious distortion of our constitutional structure.
    The Constitution requires the President, the Vice President, and every
    member of Congress to stand for re-election if they wish to continue holding
    federal office and exercising federal power. Meanwhile, countless Executive
    Branch employees have the ability to influence or implement federal policy
    in their capacity as subordinates of the President—yet they enjoy a de facto
    form of life tenure, akin to that of Article III judges. See U.S. Const. art.
    III, § 1 (“The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold
    their Offices during good Behaviour”).
    It’s a phenomenon that legal scholars have identified (and decried) for
    decades. “The critical fact of civil service today is that covered employees
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    are rarely discharged from government for inadequately doing their jobs. The
    civil service system has provided the equivalent of life tenure (at least until
    retirement) once a brief probation period is passed, absent what the
    government considers a serious act of misconduct.” Gerald E. Frug, Does the
    Constitution Prevent the Discharge of Civil Service Employees?, 
    124 U. Pa. L. Rev. 942
    , 945 (1976).          See also Philip K. Howard, Not
    Accountable: Rethinking The Constitutionality Of
    Public Employee Unions 136 (2023) (“Federal government . . . is an
    accountability-free zone. More federal employees die on the job than are
    terminated for poor performance. Regular stories emerge of employees who
    cannot be terminated despite outrageous behavior.”).
    Not surprisingly, these “tenure-like protections for the civil service
    have sharply reduced the president’s ability to change the direction of the
    permanent bureaucracy.” John Yoo, Unitary, Executive, or Both?, 
    76 U. Chi. L. Rev. 1935
    , 1956 (2009).
    What’s more, federal employees know it—and they take full-throated
    advantage of it. As anyone who has ever held a senior position in the
    Executive Branch can attest, federal employees often regard themselves, not
    as subordinates duty-bound to carry out the President’s vision whether they
    personally agree with it or not, but as a free-standing interest group entitled
    to make demands on their superiors. See, e.g., Philip K. Howard, Civil Service
    Reform: Reassert the President’s Constitutional Authority, The American
    Interest, Jan. 28, 2017 (“The slow dissipation of presidential power is a
    story rich with irony—designed to avoid interest group capture, the civil
    service became its own special interest.”).
    As a result, “Presidents can have a hard time implementing their
    agenda if civil servants collectively drag their feet or lack the competence to
    carry out the President’s orders.” Jason Marisam, The President’s Agency
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    Selection Powers, 
    65 Admin. L. Rev. 821
    , 863 (2013). “Even if a president
    has the perfect ally running an agency, that ally may still fail to produce the
    desired results if the ally runs into resistance from his civil servants.” 
    Id.
    Indeed, one scholar has pointedly noted that the single “biggest
    obstacle” for any President “is not the separation of powers” designed by
    our Founders, “but the millions of federal employees who are supposed to
    work for him.” Posner, supra (emphasis added). “These employees can drag
    their feet, leak to the press, threaten to resign and employ other tactics to
    undermine [a President’s] initiatives if they object to them.” Id. “They’re
    also hard to fire, thanks to Civil Service protections.” Id. See, e.g., Marisam,
    supra, at 863–64 (“For example, the efforts of President Reagan’s EPA
    Administrator, Ann Gorsuch, to slow down and halt EPA regulatory actions
    was marked by staff resistance to the Administration’s attempt to change the
    agency’s goals.”) (cleaned up).
    In an appropriate case, we should consider whether laws that limit the
    President’s power to remove Executive Branch employees are consistent
    with the vesting of executive power exclusively in the President. See, e.g.,
    Howard, Not Accountable, supra, at 140 (“[T]he president and
    federal supervisory officials must have authority to manage personnel . . . .
    This requires, among other remedies, invalidating specific provisions of the
    Civil Service Reform Act of 1978 that . . . disempower the president and his
    appointees from removing officers.”); Yoo, supra, at 1957 (“[P]residents
    consistently followed a common position toward the civil service that sought
    to maintain the right to fire federal employees in order to guarantee a uniform
    execution of federal law.”); Christopher S. Yoo, Steven G. Calabresi, and
    Anthony J. Colangelo, The Unitary Executive in the Modern Era, 1945–2004,
    
    90 Iowa L. Rev. 601
    , 660 (2005) (“[T]he idea that the civil service laws
    limit the president’s power to remove is of fairly recent vintage dating back
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    only to 1974.”); Frug, supra, at 949 (noting that “the President’s absolute
    power of removal of federal employees was established in principle” in 1789).
    This is not that case, however. That’s because the Government
    doesn’t challenge the validity of the CSRA or invoke the President’s Article
    II removal power in this case. It doesn’t do so in its briefing. And it
    reconfirmed during oral argument that it doesn’t challenge the
    constitutionality of the CSRA here. During oral argument, I asked whether
    the President has the power under the Constitution to remove any Executive
    Branch employee, notwithstanding laws like the CSRA. Counsel for the
    Government responded: “Plaintiffs say periodically we haven’t challenged
    the constitutionality of the CSRA. That’s absolutely right—we have not.”
    Oral Arg. at 5:40-6:23.
    The argument is thus forfeited. We therefore have no occasion to
    decide whether this case implicates the President’s constitutional power to
    remove employees who are unwilling to faithfully execute his policy vision
    for our country—or if, instead, the President is impermissibly leveraging
    (and therefore exceeding) his removal power in order to meddle in the private
    lives of federal employees. See post, at 52 (Higginson, J., concurring in part
    and dissenting in part) (noting that the President’s vaccine mandate
    “requires federal employees to ‘protect themselves’ against COVID-19 by
    getting FDA-approved vaccinations”); cf. Louisiana v. Biden, 
    55 F.4th 1017
    ,
    1030 (5th Cir. 2022) (“unlike the non-discrimination, E-Verify, Beck rights,
    and sick leave orders, which govern the conduct of employers, the [President’s
    federal contractor] vaccine mandate purports to govern the conduct of
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    employees – and more than their conduct, purports to govern their individual
    healthcare decisions”). 3
    3
    See also Horvath v. City of Leander, 
    946 F.3d 787
    , 799 (5th Cir. 2020) (Ho, J.,
    concurring in the judgment and dissenting in part) (observing that a municipal vaccine
    mandate “forces [an employee] to choose between sacrificing his faith or working under
    unequal conditions”); BST Holdings, L.L.C. v. Occupational Safety & Health Admin., 
    17 F.4th 604
    , 618–19 (5th Cir. 2021) (OSHA vaccine mandate implicates “the liberty of
    individuals to make intensely personal decisions according to their own convictions”);
    Sambrano v. United Airlines, Inc., 
    19 F.4th 839
    , 841 (5th Cir. 2021) (Ho, J., dissenting)
    (“Vaccine mandates . . . present a crisis of conscience for many people of faith. It forces
    them to choose between the two most profound obligations they will ever assume—holding
    true to their religious commitments and feeding and housing their children.”); Sambrano
    v. United Airlines, Inc., 
    2022 WL 486610
    , *9 (5th Cir. Feb. 17, 2022) (“United has
    presented plaintiffs with two options: violate their religious convictions or lose all pay and
    benefits indefinitely. That is an impossible choice for plaintiffs who want to remain faithful
    but must put food on the table.”).
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    Haynes, Circuit Judge, concurring in the judgment in part and dissenting
    in part:
    I.      Concurrence
    I concur in the en banc court’s judgment that we have jurisdiction over
    pre-enforcement challenges to President Biden’s vaccine mandate for federal
    employees. I also concur in the affirmance of the preliminary injunction as
    to the parties in this case, but I respectfully dissent from the affirmance of the
    grant of a nationwide injunction.
    II.      Dissent 1
    The district court noted that it was “cognizant of the ‘equitable and
    constitutional questions raised by the rise of nationwide injunctions.’” Feds
    for Medical Freedom v. Biden, 
    581 F. Supp. 3d 826
    , 836 (S.D. Tex. 2022)
    (quoting Dep’t of Homeland Sec. v. New York, 
    140 S. Ct. 599
    , 601 (2020)
    (Gorsuch, J., concurring)). Nevertheless, the district court concluded that
    tailoring relief here was impractical. 581 F. Supp. 3d at 836. According to
    the district court, the fact that the lead Plaintiff—Feds for Medical
    Freedom—has more than 6000 members spread across every state and in
    nearly every federal agency means that limiting the injunction’s scope would
    “prove unwieldy and would only cause more confusion.” Id. (quotation
    omitted).
    However, a federal court’s “constitutionally prescribed role is to
    vindicate the individual rights of the people appearing before it,” and
    accordingly “[a] plaintiff’s remedy must be tailored to redress the plaintiff’s
    particular injury.”        Gill v. Whitford, 
    138 S. Ct. 1916
    , 1933–34 (2018)
    (emphasis added); see also Dep’t of Homeland Sec., 
    140 S. Ct. at 600
     (Gorsuch,
    1
    Judges Higginson and Willett join in Section II.
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    J., concurring) (“[W]hen a court . . . order[s] the government to take (or not
    take) some action with respect to those who are strangers to the suit, it is hard
    to see how the court could still be acting in the judicial role of resolving cases
    and controversies.”); Georgia v. President of the United States, 
    46 F.4th 1283
    ,
    1303 (11th Cir. 2022) (“In their universal reach to plaintiffs and nonplaintiffs
    alike, nationwide injunctions push against the boundaries of judicial power,
    and very often impede the proper functioning of our federal court system.”).
    This seems especially true where, as here, several district courts (and two
    circuit courts) across the country have come out differently from this district
    court on these issues. 2 For instance, the Government noted that it has
    successfully defended the executive order in the Fourth Circuit 3 and is
    currently defending the dismissal of similar challenges in the Third and D.C.
    Circuits,4 “[b]ut those cases are rendered essentially meaningless by this
    nationwide injunction.” 5
    2
    At least twelve district courts previously rejected challenges to Executive Order
    14043 for various reasons. See Feds for Med. Freedom, 30 F.4th at 505 n.1 (collecting cases).
    3
    The Fourth Circuit, like the panel opinion in this case, determined that the CSRA
    deprived the district court of jurisdiction. Accordingly, it vacated the district court’s
    judgment denying relief to the plaintiffs on the merits and dismissed the suit for lack of
    jurisdiction. Rydie v. Biden, No. 21-2359, 
    2022 WL 1153249
    , at *8 (4th Cir. Apr. 19, 2022).
    4
    The Government subsequently noted that the D.C. Circuit ruled in its favor. See
    Payne v. Biden, --- F.4th ----, 
    2023 WL 2576742
     (D.C. Cir. 2023).
    5
    The majority opinion misunderstands my point here: we should generally only
    address the parties’ request for a preliminary injunction, particularly in this circumstance,
    where other litigants are raising the same issues in other circuits. In other words, I am less
    concerned with whether we are creating circuit splits than whether we are appropriately
    limiting the scope of our decisions to the parties before us. The reasoning other circuits
    use to resolve these issues is therefore not my point. That said, the majority is plainly
    incorrect that its opinion doesn’t truly conflict with other courts’ decisions. The other
    circuits’ jurisdictional rulings are far from “merely incidental”—they are wholly fatal to
    the plaintiffs’ claims. Therefore, a nationwide ruling which the majority opinion seems to
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    Nor is tailored injunctive relief unworkable here. The district court
    could direct Feds for Medical Freedom to submit the names of its members
    to the Government and employing agencies in order to provide them relief.
    If it has not already done so, Feds for Medical Freedom also could provide
    either online proof of membership or physical cards to that effect that the
    unvaccinated individual member employees could utilize as proof to avoid
    any adverse employment actions. Additionally, as the Government notes,
    “[a]s for the court’s view that tailored relief would be unworkable because
    [Feds for Medical Freedom] ‘is actively adding new member[s],’ it is far from
    clear that [Feds for Medical Freedom] has standing to litigate on behalf” of
    potential or future members. 6 In contrast, the plaintiffs wholly failed to meet
    their burden to show that tailoring was not workable. See, e.g., Ashcroft v.
    ACLU, 
    542 U.S. 656
    , 666 (2004) (on appeal from grant of preliminary
    injunction, the party who “bears the burden of proof on the ultimate
    question” bears the same burden on appeal); Enter. Int’l, Inc. v. Corporacion
    Estatal Petrolera Ecuatoriana, 
    762 F.2d 464
    , 472 (5th Cir. 1982) (“[T]he
    district court must remember that a preliminary injunction is an
    extraordinary and drastic remedy, and that the movant has a heavy burden of
    persuading the district court that all four elements are satisfied. Thus, if
    the movant does not succeed in carrying its burden on any one of the four
    prerequisites, a preliminary injunction may not issue and, if issued, will be
    find overrules the other circuits is also problematic because we have no greater jurisdiction
    to grant relief (or make decisions about federal court jurisdiction) than the other circuits.
    6
    The majority opinion’s last substantive paragraph notes that this case “only
    involves a preliminary injunction” which has the “purpose to maintain the status quo until
    the parties have the chance to adjudicate the merits.” Ante, at 37 (emphasis added).
    Exactly—we should not address the interests of non-parties where, as here, it is certainly
    feasible to tailor the injunctive relief to the plaintiffs.
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    vacated on appeal.” (internal quotation marks, alteration, and citation
    omitted) (emphasis added)).
    III.     Conclusion
    Accordingly, the district court erred in issuing a nationwide injunction
    when a tailored injunction is not unworkable or impossible to apply.
    Therefore, I dissent from the court’s decision to leave the nationwide
    injunction in place rather than reversing the portion of the injunction that
    extends beyond the plaintiffs.
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    Stephen A. Higginson, Circuit Judge, joined by Southwick, Circuit
    Judge, concurring in part and dissenting in part:
    This case begins with the question of whether we have jurisdiction to
    review the President’s vaccine requirement for Executive Branch employees.
    If the answer is yes, we also must decide whether the President’s order
    exceeded his authority to require his employees to get an FDA-approved
    vaccination during a pandemic that has killed over a million Americans.
    For the wrong reasons, our court correctly concludes that we do have
    jurisdiction. But contrary to a dozen federal courts—and having left a
    government motion to stay the district court’s injunction pending for more
    than a year—our court still refuses to say why the President does not have
    the power to regulate workplace safety for his employees.
    ***
    The Civil Service Reform Act of 1978 (CSRA), 
    5 U.S.C. § 1101
     et seq.,
    generally precludes subject-matter jurisdiction over pre-enforcement
    challenges to Executive Branch employment policies. For that reason, I
    cannot agree with our court’s blueprint for covered employees to short
    circuit the CSRA by filing a federal lawsuit against workplace regulations
    before they are disciplined. Now, litigants can forum shop challenges to
    federal employment policies in our court, even though Congress directed
    their cases to the Federal Circuit. However, because I conclude the CSRA
    does not provide meaningful judicial review of the plaintiffs’ pre-
    enforcement challenge and Congress did not intend the CSRA to foreclose
    judicial review of their separation-of-powers claim, I concur that we have
    jurisdiction over this claim.
    On the merits, our court is wrong that the plaintiffs are entitled to a
    preliminary injunction, let alone one that sweeps nationwide. The vaccine
    requirement fell within the President’s power to regulate his employees. Nor
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    have the plaintiffs shown that they are likely to suffer an irreparable injury
    from the requirement in the absence of injunctive relief. Without identifying
    any reason that the requirement exceeded Presidential authority or any
    irreparable injury that the plaintiffs will suffer, our court concludes that such
    an injunction, which overruled all other federal courts that left the mandate
    untouched, is justified.
    Setting aside the substance of what our court says on the merits, I
    disagree with how we say it. Today, our court affirms a nationwide injunction,
    put in place over a year ago, without explanation or analysis of any of the
    preliminary injunction factors. This method of rubberstamping a district
    court’s nullification of the President’s authority over the Executive Branch
    is unprecedented and improper on en banc rehearing. The People’s trust in
    our independence is undermined when we answer vital constitutional
    questions without showing our work—especially when the questions before
    us “are inescapably entangled in political controversies” and “touch the
    passions of the day.” Joint Anti-Fascist Refugee Comm. v. McGrath, 
    341 U.S. 123
    , 149 (1951) (Frankfurter, J., concurring).
    I.
    By September 2021, more than 600,000 Americans had died from
    COVID-19. Covid Data Tracker Weekly Review: Easy as 1-2-3, Ctrs. for
    Disease Control & Prevention (Interpretive Summary for Aug. 27,
    2021). Millions were missing work each week. Educational Attainment for
    Adults Not Working at Time of Survey, by Main Reason for Not Working and
    Source Used to Meet Spending Needs, Weekly 37 Household Pulse Survey: Sept. 1
    – Sept. 13, U.S. Census Bureau (Sept. 21, 2021).
    To combat those threats to “the health and safety of the [f]ederal
    workforce and the efficiency of the civil service,” on September 9, 2021, the
    President issued Executive Order 14043. Exec. Order No. 14043, 
    86 Fed. 51
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    Reg. 50,989, 50,989 (Sept. 9, 2021). This order requires federal employees
    to “protect themselves” against COVID-19 by getting FDA-approved
    vaccinations. 
    Id.
     Specifically, the President directed executive agencies to
    implement “a program to require COVID-19 vaccination for all of its
    [f]ederal employees, with exceptions only as required by law.” Id. at 50,990.
    Pursuant to the Executive Order, the Safer Federal Workforce Task
    Force issued guidance stating that covered employees would “need to be
    fully vaccinated by November 22, 2021.”           Vaccinations, Safer Fed.
    Workforce, https://perma.cc/G8T6-K8XN. The guidance said that
    agencies “may be required to provide a reasonable accommodation to
    employees” who did not get vaccinated “because of a disability” or “a
    sincerely held religious belief, practice, or observance.” Id.
    The guidance also explained how agencies could enforce the vaccine
    requirement.    Agencies should first provide “an appropriate period of
    education or counseling” to employees who initially fail to comply with the
    requirement. Id. Afterwards, if an employee still does not get vaccinated, an
    agency could “issue a letter of reprimand, followed by a short suspension,”
    which would “generally” last “14 days or less.” Id. The agency could
    propose that the employee be removed if the employee does not comply with
    the requirement during the suspension. Id. The guidance further noted that
    “[e]mployees who violate lawful orders,” like the requirement, “are subject
    to discipline, . . . including termination or removal.” Id.
    In December 2021, Feds for Medical Freedom, individual federal
    employees, and other plaintiffs challenged Executive Order 14043 in federal
    district court. They alleged that the Executive Order is ultra vires because it
    exceeded the President’s constitutional and statutory authority, and they
    challenged the Executive Order as arbitrary and capricious under the
    Administrative Procedure Act (APA), 
    5 U.S.C. § 706
    . The plaintiffs moved
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    for a preliminary injunction, which the district court granted. See Feds for
    Med. Freedom v. Biden, 
    581 F. Supp. 3d 826
    , 836-37 (S.D. Tex. 2022), vacated,
    
    30 F.4th 503
     (5th Cir. 2022), reh’g granted, 
    37 F.4th 1093
    . In granting the
    injunction, the district court split from a dozen other district courts who had
    already rejected similar challenges. 1 See Feds for Med. Freedom, 30 F.4th at
    505 n.1 (collecting cases).
    The government appealed and moved for a stay pending appeal. A
    divided panel carried the motion with the case, see Feds for Med. Freedom v.
    Biden, 
    25 F.4th 354
     (5th Cir. 2022) (per curiam), and a divided panel then
    vacated the injunction on the basis that the CSRA precluded the district
    court’s exercise of jurisdiction, see Feds for Med. Freedom v. Biden, 
    30 F.4th 503
    , 511 (5th Cir. 2022). Our court granted rehearing en banc. Feds for Med.
    Freedom v. Biden, 
    37 F.4th 1093
     (5th Cir. 2022) (per curiam).
    II.
    Congress’s constitutional power to establish inferior federal courts
    includes the power to define their jurisdiction. See U.S. Const. art III, § 1;
    Lockerty v. Phillips, 
    319 U.S. 182
    , 187 (1943). Pursuant to this power,
    Congress can preclude district courts from exercising jurisdiction by
    requiring certain claims “to proceed exclusively through a statutory review
    scheme.” Elgin v. Dep’t of Treasury, 
    567 U.S. 1
    , 10 (2012).
    In determining whether a statute precludes district court jurisdiction,
    we consider whether Congress’s intent to do so is “fairly discernible in the
    1
    The district court’s decision also conflicts with the Fourth Circuit’s and D.C.
    Circuit’s conclusion that Congress precluded jurisdiction over a similar challenge to the
    vaccine requirement. See Payne v. Biden, --- F.4th ----, 
    2023 WL 2576742
     (D.C. Cir. 2023);
    Rydie v. Biden, No. 21-2359, 
    2022 WL 1153249
     (4th Cir. Apr. 19, 2022). Another appeal is
    pending before the Third Circuit. See Smith v. Biden, No. 21-CV-19457, 
    2021 WL 5195688
    (D.N.J. Nov. 8, 2021), appeal docketed, No. 21-3091 (3d Cir. Nov. 10, 2021).
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    statutory scheme.” Thunder Basin Coal Co. v. Reich, 
    510 U.S. 200
    , 207
    (1994). If so, we decide whether the plaintiffs’ claims “are of the type
    Congress intended to be reviewed within this statutory structure.” 
    Id. at 212
    .
    Three factors are relevant to this inquiry: whether (1) “a finding of preclusion
    could foreclose all meaningful judicial review,” (2) the claims are “wholly
    collateral to a statute’s review provisions,” and (3) the claims are “outside
    the agency’s expertise.” 
    Id. at 212-13
     (cleaned up).
    Applying this Supreme Court test, the CSRA generally precludes
    district court jurisdiction over pre-enforcement challenges to Executive
    Branch employment policies.               But, as I explain below, the plaintiffs’
    separation-of-powers claim is the rare type of pre-enforcement challenge that
    Congress did not intend to preclude in the CSRA. Therefore, I agree
    narrowly in outcome with the majority that we have jurisdiction over
    plaintiffs’ pre-enforcement challenge to the Executive Order as ultra vires. 2
    But the majority takes two significant wrong turns in reaching its
    jurisdictional conclusion, which rejects Supreme Court precedent and
    imperils Congress’s CSRA regime. First, the majority is incorrect that
    plaintiffs are not challenging a “personnel action” within the meaning of the
    CSRA. In addition, the majority is mistaken that Congress did not intend the
    CSRA to preclude jurisdiction over pre-enforcement challenges to personnel
    actions covered by the statute. This second error of our court is grave and
    lets any covered employee facing proposed discipline rush to federal court
    ahead of the statutory timeline contrary to Supreme Court precedent and the
    text of the CSRA.
    2
    With the benefit of en banc argument, I have reconsidered my initial view that the
    district court likely lacked jurisdiction over the entire case. Feds for Med. Freedom v. Biden,
    
    25 F.4th 354
    , 356 (5th Cir. 2022) (Higginson, J., dissenting), though I continue to believe
    that jurisdiction over plaintiffs’ APA claim is precluded.
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    A.
    The CSRA imposed a “comprehensive and integrated review
    scheme” for “personnel action taken against federal employees.” United
    States v. Fausto, 
    484 U.S. 439
    , 454, 455 (1988). This system replaced a set of
    “haphazard” and “patchwork” “arrangements for administrative and
    judicial review of personnel action,” which had resulted in a “wide
    variation[] in [district court] decisions issued on the same or similar
    matters.” 
    Id. at 444-45
     (cleaned up). Among other reforms, the CSRA
    created the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB), “a quasi-judicial
    agency with the power to adjudicate disputes arising from adverse personnel
    actions taken against covered federal employees.” Zummer v. Sallet, 
    37 F.4th 996
    , 1003 (5th Cir. 2022), cert. denied, --- S. Ct. ----, 
    2023 WL 2563318
     (2023).
    Under the CSRA’s “elaborate new framework,” challenges to
    “minor adverse action[s],” “major adverse action[s],” and “prohibited
    personnel practices” are channeled into separate procedural tracks. Fausto,
    
    484 U.S. at 443, 445-47
     (cleaned up); see 
    5 U.S.C. §§ 1212
    , 1214, 2301, 2302,
    7502, 7503, 7512, 7513; see also 
    5 U.S.C. § 4303
     (review of actions based on
    unacceptable performance).
    Minor adverse actions, meaning suspensions lasting fourteen days or
    less, are not appealable to the MSPB. See 
    5 U.S.C. § 7503
    ; Fausto, 
    484 U.S. at 446
    . Instead, an employee against whom such a suspension is proposed is
    entitled to certain procedural protections, including notice, an opportunity
    to respond, representation by an attorney, and a written decision. 
    5 U.S.C. § 7503
    (b)(1)-(4).
    Major adverse actions, including removal and suspension for more
    than fourteen days, 
    id.
     § 7512(1)-(5); Fausto, 
    484 U.S. at 446-47
    , trigger a
    similar set of safeguards. When such an action is proposed against an
    employee, he or she is generally entitled to “at least [thirty] days’ advance
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    written notice,” “a reasonable time . . . not less than [seven] days . . . to
    answer,” representation by an attorney, and a written decision. 
    5 U.S.C. § 7513
    (b)(1)-(4).
    Unlike minor adverse actions, major adverse actions can be reviewed
    in federal court. But this channel is narrowly prescribed. An employee
    “against whom [a major adverse] action is taken . . . is entitled to appeal to
    the [MSPB],” 
    id.
     § 7513(d), and the United States Court of Appeals for the
    Federal Circuit has jurisdiction over appeals from the MSPB’s final orders
    and decisions. See id. § 7703(a)(1), (b)(1)(A).
    Finally, the CSRA includes a mechanism for employees to challenge
    a “personnel action” that is a “prohibited personnel practice.”             Id.
    § 2302(a)(1), (a)(2), (b). The statute lists eleven types of personnel actions
    and includes a residual clause that covers “any other significant change in
    duties, responsibilities, or working conditions.” Id. § 2302(a)(2)(A)(xii). An
    employee may challenge a prohibited personnel practice by making an
    allegation to the Office of Special Counsel (OSC). Id. § 1214(a)(1)(A), (a)(3);
    see id. § 1212(a)(2). OSC must investigate the allegation, id. § 1214(a)(1)(A),
    and may petition the MSPB for corrective action, id. § 1214(b)(2)(C). The
    Federal Circuit can review a final order of the MSPB in response to such a
    petition. Id. §§ 1214(c), 7703(b)-(c). Therefore, where prohibited personnel
    practices are concerned, access to the MSPB and the Federal Circuit depends
    on OSC’s discretion with limited exceptions. See id. § 1214(a)(3) (exceptions
    for cases where (i) other law provides a right of direct appeal to the MSPB or
    (ii) OSC declines to seek corrective action after terminating an investigation
    into retaliation as described in § 2302(b)(8) and § 2302(b)(9)(A)(i), (B), (C),
    and (D)).
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    B.
    The Supreme Court has held that the CSRA “forecloses judicial
    review” for employees “to whom the CSRA grants administrative and
    judicial review” as well as for those employees “to whom the CSRA denies
    statutory review.” Elgin, 
    567 U.S. at 11
    .
    Specifically, in Elgin v. Department of Treasury, the Court, in an
    opinion written by Justice Thomas, decided that the CSRA precluded
    jurisdiction over employees’ constitutional claims challenging their removal
    from federal employment. 
    567 U.S. 1
    , 8 (2012). And in United States v.
    Fausto, the Court, in an opinion written by Justice Scalia, decided that the
    exclusion of certain employees from the CSRA review scheme for major
    adverse actions precluded jurisdiction over those employees’ challenges to
    those actions. 
    484 U.S. 439
    , 455 (1988).
    These precedents control here.
    1.
    To begin, because the vaccine requirement is a “significant change in
    [an employee’s] . . . working conditions,” 
    5 U.S.C. § 2302
    (a)(2)(A)(xii), the
    CSRA gives plaintiffs a mechanism for “administrative and judicial review,”
    Elgin, 
    567 U.S. at 11
    .
    “Working conditions” are the circumstances under which an
    employee performs his or her job. 3 The vaccine requirement changes those
    3
    See Fort Stewart Schs. v. Fed. Lab. Relations Auth., 
    495 U.S. 641
    , 645 (1990)
    (explaining, with reference to different CSRA provision, that “working conditions . . .
    refers, in isolation, only to the ‘circumstances’ or ‘state of affairs’ attendant to one’s
    performance of a job”); Hesse v. Dep’t of State, 
    217 F.3d 1372
    , 1378 (Fed. Cir. 2000)
    (defining the phrase in § 2302 to mean “the physical conditions under which an employee
    labors”); Mahoney v. Donovan, 
    721 F.3d 633
    , 636 (D.C. Cir. 2013) (defining the phrase in
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    circumstances.        Employees covered by the requirement have to get
    vaccinated before going to work and work only with other vaccinated or
    exempted employees. Being vaccinated against a pandemic disease and being
    surrounded by vaccinated people are circumstances under which an
    employee does his job according to any test: vaccination is a physical
    condition of labor because it affects the employee’s body during work, Hesse,
    
    217 F.3d at 1378
    ; vaccination manifestly impacts absenteeism and “the
    efficiency of the civil service,” Exec. Order No. 14043, 86 Fed. Reg. at
    50,990; see Mahoney, 
    721 F.3d at 636
    , by reducing the incidence and severity
    of disease; and vaccination is a “daily, concrete parameter[]” of federal
    employment because it concerns “the provision of necessary . . .
    resources”—shots that ensure employees can stay healthy and do their jobs,
    Turner, 502 F. Supp. 3d at 367. 4 A vaccination requirement is therefore a
    “working condition” within the meaning of § 2302(a)(2)(A)(xii).
    § 2302 as concerning actions that “affect the ability of [employees] to do their jobs
    efficiently and effectively”); Turner v. U.S. Agency for Glob. Media, 
    502 F. Supp. 3d 333
    ,
    367 (D.D.C. 2020) (defining the phrase in § 2302 as “generally refer[ring] to the daily,
    concrete parameters of a job, for example, hours, discrete assignments, and the provision
    of necessary equipment and resources”); see also Sistek v. Dep’t of Veterans Affs., 
    955 F.3d 948
    , 955 (Fed. Cir. 2020) (“[A] retaliatory investigation, either on its own or as part of a
    broader set of circumstances, may . . . rise[] to the level of a significant change in working
    conditions.” (cleaned up)).
    4
    Many Executive Branch employees do not have the luxury to decide for
    themselves to put up plexiglass barriers, require attorneys to wear masks, and conduct
    judicial proceedings by videoconference, as we can order at our discretion. See, e.g., Order,
    General Dkt. No. 2020-5, United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit (authorizing
    panels to conduct remote oral arguments). Indeed, some federal courts mandated
    vaccinations for court employees and lawyers appearing for in-person oral argument. See
    Order Regarding Masking, Vaccination, and COVID-19 Self-Certification, General Order
    No. 21-009, United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit. State courts took
    similar measures. See Keshia Clukey, Four Unvaccinated Judges in New York Face Sanctions,
    Removal, Bloomberg Law (Mar. 23, 2022).
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    Statutory context shows that vaccination is a working condition. The
    CSRA lists twelve categories of “personnel action” in § 2302(a)(2)(A),
    starting with nine conventional types of “individualized employment
    decisions,” as the majority puts it.         These include “appointment,”
    “promotion,” “disciplinary or corrective action,” “detail, transfer, or
    reassignment,”      “reinstatement,”        “restoration,     “reemployment,”
    “performance evaluation,” and “decision[s] concerning pay, benefits, or
    awards, or concerning education or training.” 
    5 U.S.C. § 2302
    (a)(2)(A)(i)-
    (ix). Notably, then, the list shifts. Romanette xi refers in relevant part to
    “the implementation of any nondisclosure policy.” 
    Id.
     § 2302(a)(2)(A)(xi)
    (emphasis added).       And romanette x concerns “a decision to order
    psychiatric testing or examination”—a medical procedure that very well
    could occur outside the workplace. Id. § 2302(a)(2)(A)(x). So, contrary to
    the majority’s view, § 2302(a)(2)(A) does include workplace medical
    policies that are “government-wide” and require “medical decisions made
    outside the workplace.”
    Indeed, Congress has amended § 2302(a)(2)(A) several times to
    broaden its scope to include policies like a workplace vaccine requirement.
    When first enacted, § 2302(a)(2)(A) consisted of romanettes i to ix (the nine
    conventional employment decisions listed above) and a modified version of
    what is now romanette xii: “any other significant change in duties or
    responsibilities which is inconsistent with the employee’s salary or grade level.”
    CSRA, 
    Pub. L. No. 95-454,
     ch. 23, § 2302(a)(2)(A)(x), 
    92 Stat. 1111
     (Oct. 13,
    1978) (emphasis added). This language made a qualifying change in “duties
    or responsibilities” dependent on an individual employee’s position. And
    originally, psychiatric testing, nondisclosure policies, and significant changes
    in working conditions were not covered personnel actions.
    Then, in 1994, Congress added the “psychiatric testing or
    examination” romanette and edited romanette xii. See Act of Oct. 29, 1994,
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    Pub. L. No. 103-424, sec. 5
    , § 2302(a)(2)(A)(x), 
    108 Stat. 4361
    . Instead of
    “any other significant change in duties or responsibilities which is inconsistent
    with the employee’s salary or grade level,” the romanette was expanded to cover
    “any other significant change in duties, responsibilities or working
    conditions.”     
    Id.
     § 2302(a)(2)(A)(x), 
    108 Stat. 4361
     (emphasis added).
    Finally, in 2012, Congress added the “nondisclosure policy” romanette. See
    Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act of 2012, 
    Pub. L. No. 112-199, sec. 104
    , § 2302(a)(2)(A)(xi), 
    126 Stat. 1465
    .
    In sum, the “working conditions” phrase (i) substituted for a
    restrictive clause linking changes in “duties or responsibilities” to individual
    employee status, (ii) was added immediately after a romanette dealing with
    medical activities, and (iii) became the neighbor of a romanette about
    nondisclosure policies. Together, these amendments show that Congress
    understood the “working conditions” language to extend beyond the
    traditional types of individual employment decisions § 2302(a)(2)(A) had
    previously covered, to reach a workplace health policy like the vaccine
    requirement. 5
    5
    The majority relies on Gustafson v. Adkins, a Seventh Circuit case holding that
    placement of a hidden camera in a workplace changing area was not a “personnel action”
    under § 2302(a)(2)(A). 
    803 F.3d 883
    , 889 (7th Cir. 2015). Gustafson based this decision
    on dicta in Bush v. Lucas that “wiretapping” and “warrantless searches” would not be
    personnel actions within the CSRA. 
    462 U.S. 367
    , 385 n.28 (1983). But Lucas was decided
    almost a decade before Congress amended the CSRA to include the “working conditions”
    phrase. And it is difficult to see how the hidden camera at issue in Gustafson did not
    significantly change “working conditions” for the surveilled employees.
    The majority’s reliance on NFIB v. OSHA is also misplaced. 
    142 S. Ct. 661 (2022)
    .
    That case held that the Occupational Safety and Health Administration lacked authority
    under the Occupational Safety and Health Act (OSHA) to issue a vaccine requirement for
    certain private employers because the statute empowered the agency “to set workplace
    safety standards, not broad public health measures,” and Congress had not spoken clearly
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    The majority reads § 2302(a)(2)(A)(xii) as excluding the vaccine
    requirement because the requirement is “government-wide, involves
    “medical decisions made outside the workplace,” and has “consequences
    long after the employee leaves the federal workforce.” This alternative
    reading is inconsistent with common sense and the text of the statute.
    First, the majority thinks “working conditions” refers only to
    “discrete employment decisions.”                 Under this interpretation, any
    employment policy that changed working conditions for more than one
    employee would not be a “significant change in . . . working conditions.” 
    5 U.S.C. § 2302
    (a)(2)(A)(xii). But there is no one-at-a-time requirement in
    the text of § 2302(a)(2)(A). Like all general policies, the vaccine requirement
    changes working conditions for each individual employee who is covered by
    it.
    Next, the majority reasons that “working conditions” cannot refer to
    “medical decisions made outside the workplace.” Yet the majority fails to
    explain why medical decisions that impact the circumstances under which a
    job is performed—indeed, as we have seen globally, make work possible
    during a pandemic—are not working conditions, regardless of where the
    medical decision is made or the duration of its effects.
    To the extent the majority argues that medical decisions made outside
    the workplace are not covered by § 2302(a)(2)(A)(xii), the majority draws a
    line, absent from the statute, based on where the conduct targeted by an
    in “authorizing [OSHA] to exercise powers of vast economic and political significance.”
    Id. at 665 (cleaned up). The jurisdictional issue in this case is not whether the President
    had authority under the CSRA to require vaccinations, but rather whether such a
    requirement changed working conditions for affected employees. And in NFIB v. OSHA,
    the Court accepted that COVID-19 posed occupational risks; the problem was that
    OSHA’s requirement went beyond those risks to address “general public health.” Id. at
    666.
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    employment policy occurs. If the majority is right, a policy that promotes a
    “Drug-Free Federal Workplace” by prohibiting employees from using illegal
    drugs outside work, as President Reagan enacted, would not be a significant
    change in working conditions. 6 See Exec. Order No. 12,564, 
    51 Fed. Reg. 32,889
    , 32,889-90 (1986). Similarly, under this novel interpretation, a ban
    on employees drinking liquor before work, requiring them to be sober at
    work, would not be a significant change in working conditions. A policy that
    employees have to use birth control outside work in order to refrain from
    being pregnant at work would not be a significant change in working
    conditions. Conversely, according to the majority’s logic, if the Executive
    Order or guidance had only required employees to receive the vaccine (or
    birth control) at work, the requirement would fall within § 2302(a)(2)(A).
    This arbitrary distinction ignores that there is a change in “working
    conditions” when the effects of a policy are felt at work, irrespective of the
    initial place where the policy must be followed.
    And if the majority argues that medical decisions made at the
    workplace are not covered by § 2302(a)(2)(A)(xii), that reading is contrary
    to the plain meaning of the text as courts have interpreted it. See, e.g., Fort
    Stewart Schs., 
    495 U.S. at 645
    ; Hesse, 
    217 F.3d at 1378
    ; Mahoney, 
    721 F.3d at 636
    ; Turner, 502 F. Supp. 3d at 367. Under the majority’s interpretation, a
    directive that an employee receive any sort of medical treatment at work in
    order to continue working—like an order that an employee take antimalarial
    6
    Our court found that President Reagan’s order survived a facial constitutional
    challenge. See NTEU v. Bush, 
    891 F.2d 99
    , 102 (5th Cir. 1989). Prior to this appeal, relying
    on the Supreme Court dicta that warrantless searches are not personnel actions, see supra
    note 5, the district court had found that the CSRA did not preclude jurisdiction over a
    challenge to the warrantless uranalysis testing aspect of President Reagan’s program. See
    NTEU v. Reagan, 
    651 F. Supp. 1199
    , 1200-02 (E.D. La. 1987). As I explained, because of
    amendments to the statute, the district court’s reasoning in reliance on this dicta is no
    longer persuasive.
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    medicine while detailed to a tropical environment—wouldn’t be a change in
    that employee’s working conditions. The employee told to swallow the pills
    at her desk might be surprised to hear that news.
    Finally, the majority says that § 2302(a)(2)(A)(xii) “only include[s]
    conditions that last for the duration of the employee’s job tenure.” The
    majority does not explain why vaccinations, which may not last forever or
    even for the entire term of employment, violate this rule.                       But more
    importantly, the statute does not exclude a change in the circumstances of
    work that has persistent or permanent effects on the employee from the term
    “working conditions.” Like the majority’s other attempts to limit the scope
    of “working conditions,” this constraint has no basis in the text of the statute.
    For those reasons, § 2302 provides a vehicle for review of the vaccine
    requirement under the CSRA, and Congress’s intent to preclude judicial
    review over challenges to the requirement is fairly discernible within the
    statutory scheme. See Elgin, 
    567 U.S. at 11
    .
    2.
    Were we to assume that the vaccine requirement cannot be challenged
    under § 2302, the CSRA still generally precludes pre-enforcement challenges
    to employment policies that, if violated, would result in discipline. 7 This is
    because the CSRA (i) provides for post-enforcement review of major adverse
    actions like removal, see 
    5 U.S.C. § 7513
    (d), and (ii) confers pre-enforcement
    due process protections to employees against whom minor and major adverse
    7
    As I explain below, the requirement has been enforced against at least some of the
    plaintiffs because disciplinary actions have been taken against them, and this suit challenges
    those disciplinary actions. But if this suit is conceived of as a true pre-enforcement
    challenge, as the majority insists—for example, if this suit only challenged the requirement
    insofar as the requirement might be used to terminate the plaintiffs in the future—then the
    CSRA still precludes pre-enforcement challenges for the reasons stated in this section.
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    actions are proposed without providing those or other employees with
    immediate review, see 
    id.
     §§ 7503(b)(1)-(4), 7513(b)(1)-(4). In other words,
    the CSRA gives statutory review to some employees (those against whom
    major adverse actions have been taken) and not others (those against whom
    major adverse actions have not been taken). Since the CSRA denies statutory
    review to employees before they violate a policy and disciplinary action is
    taken against them, Congress’s intent to preclude jurisdiction over pre-
    enforcement challenges is fairly discernible in the statute. See Elgin, 
    567 U.S. at 11
    .
    This conclusion follows from the logic of Fausto. There, the Supreme
    Court considered whether the CSRA’s “withholding of remedy” from
    certain employees “was meant to preclude judicial review for those
    employees, or rather merely to leave them free to pursue the remedies that
    had been available before enactment of the CSRA.” 
    484 U.S. at 443-44
    .
    Fausto, who had been suspended for thirty days from his job as an
    administrator at a “Young Adult Conservation Corps camp,” was a
    “nonpreference member of the excepted service.” 
    Id.
     at 441 & n.1. The
    CSRA does not include nonpreference excepted service members in the
    definition of employees covered for minor and major adverse actions, see 
    5 U.S.C. § 7511
    (a)(1), and so the CSRA did not give Fausto a way to obtain
    administrative review of his suspension and then appeal to the Federal
    Circuit. See Fausto, 
    484 U.S. at 447-48
    . The Court concluded that “the
    absence of provision for these employees to obtain judicial review” is a
    “manifestation of a considered congressional judgment that they should not
    have statutory entitlement to review for [minor and major adverse actions].”
    Fausto, 
    484 U.S. at 448-49
     (emphasis added).
    In part, the Court reasoned that if Fausto could get judicial review of
    his thirty-day suspension because he was excluded from the CSRA scheme,
    then he could also get judicial review of a ten-day suspension even though the
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    CSRA does not provide covered employees with administrative and judicial
    review of suspensions less than fourteen days. 
    Id. at 449-50
    . And if Fausto
    had such an expanded right to judicial review, the “preferred position” of
    covered employees in the statutory scheme would be turned upside down.
    
    Id.
     In a footnote, the Court clarified that this line of reasoning assumes that
    employees “who are given review rights by [the CSRA] . . . cannot expand
    these rights by resort to pre-CSRA remedies.” 
    Id.
     at 450 n.3; See Graham v.
    Ashcroft, 
    358 F.3d 931
    , 934 (D.C. Cir. 2004) (Roberts, J.) (charting this logic).
    Like Fausto, the plaintiffs here would have expanded rights under the
    CSRA if they could obtain judicial review of the vaccine requirement before
    major adverse actions are taken against them. There is generally no statutory
    mechanism for judicial review of minor adverse actions. When a covered
    employee faces a proposed minor or major adverse action, the CSRA gives him
    procedural protections but no path to judicial review.           See 
    5 U.S.C. §§ 7503
    (b)(1)-(4), 7513(b)(1)-(4). Rather, an employee must wait until the
    agency takes a major adverse action against him before appealing to the
    MSPB and the Federal Circuit. See 
    id.
     § 7513(d). Resort to judicial review
    for a minor adverse action or a proposed action would thus expand an
    employee’s right to judicial review outside the bounds of the CSRA. See
    Graham, 
    358 F.3d at 934
     (applying this logic to hold that the CSRA precludes
    jurisdiction over “a personnel action as to which the CSRA grants no right of
    review, even for employees who are otherwise granted such rights under the
    CSRA in other circumstances”); Nyunt v. Chairman, Broadcasting Bd. of
    Governors, 
    589 F.3d 445
    , 448 (D.C. Cir. 2009) (Kavanaugh, J.) (“When
    Congress wants to preserve remedies outside the CSRA, it does so expressly;
    for example, the CSRA maintains federal employees’ rights to bring suit
    under Title VII and other anti-discrimination laws.”). The same is true
    where an employee seeks to challenge an employment policy, like the vaccine
    requirement, that permits an agency to discipline violators. See Vaccinations,
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    Safer Fed. Workforce, https://perma.cc/G8T6-K8XN. The CSRA
    says that an employee subject to such a policy has to wait until a major
    adverse action is taken against him to get judicial review—and if the
    discipline imposed falls below threshold of a major adverse action, or is
    merely proposed, then no judicial review is available under the scheme.
    The majority argues that jurisdiction over the plaintiffs’ claims is not
    precluded because while the CSRA provides the exclusive means to
    challenge “[p]ersonnel actions covered by the CSRA,” “plaintiffs are not
    challenging CSRA-covered ‘personnel actions.’”
    But the whole point of this lawsuit is to challenge CSRA-covered
    personnel actions. The first paragraph of the complaint says so. “[F]ederal
    employees” like the plaintiffs “have been put in an intolerable bind,” the
    complaint alleges: “either submit to forced vaccination pursuant to illegal
    agency requirements, or forfeit a career[.]” Consistent with this allegation,
    the plaintiffs say that they have been disciplined through formal reprimands
    and threatened with suspension and termination. They have put forward
    evidence that disciplinary actions, including minor adverse actions, have
    been taken against them for their noncompliance with the vaccine
    requirement. 8 Accordingly, while the plaintiffs allege that they “do not
    challenge any individual employment decisions,” and ask the court to hold
    8
    See, e.g., Feds for Med. Freedom v. Biden, No. 21-CV-356, Aff. of Brian Fouche ¶ 4,
    Dkt. No. 35-1, Ex. 39 (asserting that employee “received . . . notice of a 14-day unpaid
    suspension,” which is a minor adverse action under 
    5 U.S.C. § 7502
    ); 
    id.,
     Aff. of John
    Armbrust ¶ 6, Dkt. No. 3, Ex. 15 (asserting that employee received “written letter of
    reprimand stating [that] it is [a] ‘disciplinary action’”); 
    id.,
     Aff. of Nevada Ryan ¶ 6, Dkt.
    No. 3, Ex. 27 (similar); 
    id.,
     Aff. of Michael Ball ¶ 6, Dkt. No. 3, Ex. 16 (asserting that
    employee “was disciplined in the form of a Letter of Counseling and Education”); 
    id.,
     Aff.
    of M. LeeAnne Rucker-Reed ¶ 6, Dkt. No. 3, Ex. 26 (asserting that employee was
    prohibited from traveling “to attend necessary training” or “to work Judicial [C]onference
    or protection details” and “was not selected for a promotion opportunity”).
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    the vaccine requirement unlawful, they also seek to enjoin the government
    “from enforcing or implementing” the vaccine requirement—which would
    keep the government from taking CSRA-covered personnel actions, like
    suspension and termination, against them.
    Indeed, this case is justiciable because it involves challenges to CSRA-
    covered personnel actions. The plaintiffs’ Article III injuries stem from
    personnel actions that they allege have been or will be taken against them
    because of their refusal to comply with the vaccine requirement. As the
    plaintiffs alleged in their complaint, “[t]he entire point of the [m]andate[] is
    to force vaccinations quickly by threatening to initiate drastic employment or
    contractual harms.” There is no mandate and no justiciable case without, in
    the plaintiffs’ words, a “sword of Damocles,” or, as the Supreme Court put
    it, “expos[ure] to the imposition of strong sanctions,” Abbot Lab’ys v.
    Gardner, 
    387 U.S. 136
    , 154 (1967)—here, the personnel actions. And the
    district court found this case ripe because plaintiffs “already have received
    letters from their employer agencies suggesting that suspension or
    termination is imminent, have received letters of reprimand, or have faced
    other negative consequences.” 9 Feds for Med. Freedom, 581 F. Supp. 3d at
    832.
    The majority calls this suit a “pre-enforcement challenge” that the
    plaintiffs can bring “outside of the CSRA,” and the broader implication of
    this holding is unmistakable. This circuit’s door is now open to all pre-
    9
    The majority contends that because the plaintiffs “claim that the President’s
    vaccine requirement violates the U.S. Constitution and the APA,” the plaintiffs do not
    challenge any personnel action. But the legal arguments or causes of action by which the
    plaintiffs try to attack the personnel actions taken or proposed against them are immaterial
    to what the plaintiffs hope to get out of this suit: injunctive relief to avoid personnel actions.
    See Elgin, 
    567 U.S. at 8
     (concluding that “the CSRA precludes district court jurisdiction
    over petitioners’ claims even though they are constitutional claims for equitable relief”).
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    enforcement challenges to federal employment policies. 10 Plaintiffs are
    welcome to challenge any personnel action before it takes place.
    Under the majority’s rule, Justice Thomas’s Elgin and Justice Scalia’s
    Fausto are dead letters. Elgin, who brought a constitutional challenge to a
    federal statute “bar[ring] from employment by an Executive agency anyone
    who has knowingly and willfully failed to register” for the Selective Service,
    Elgin, 
    567 U.S. at 7
    , could have forum shopped into our court if he filed when
    his removal from federal employment was ripe but had not yet taken place.
    Elgin, 
    567 U.S. at 7
    . Likewise, Fausto could have sued when the agency
    “advised [him] that it intended to dismiss him for a number of reasons.”
    Fausto, 
    484 U.S. at 441
    . 11 So the majority would let plaintiffs end run
    Supreme Court precedent.
    10
    The majority claims that the ripeness doctrine closes this loophole because “any
    suit to enjoin a personnel action before it occurs will likely be unripe.” This ignores that a
    personnel action may be certain to occur or imminent—and therefore ripe—long before
    the action is taken against an employee. See Texas v. United States, 
    523 U.S. 296
    , 300 (1998)
    (“A claim is not ripe for adjudication if it rests upon contingent future events that may not
    occur as anticipated, or indeed may not occur at all.”).
    11
    The majority invokes two pre-Fausto cases that explicitly exercised jurisdiction
    over certain pre-enforcement challenges. See NFFE v. Weinberger, 
    818 F.2d 935
    , 940 (D.C.
    Cir. 1987); NTEU v. Devine, 
    733 F.2d 114
    , 117 n.8 (D.C. Cir. 1984). Because these cases
    were decided before both Fausto and Elgin mapped the landscape of CSRA preclusion, they
    are inapposite. In particular, Devine reasoned that just because it is true that “when a
    statute provides a detailed scheme of administrative protection for defined employment
    rights, less significant employment rights of the same sort are implicitly excluded and
    cannot form the basis for relief directly through the courts,” it does not follow that “a
    detailed scheme of administrative adjudication impliedly precludes preenforcement
    judicial review of rules.” 
    733 F.2d at
    117 n.8. But this proposition runs headlong into the
    logic of Fausto, which I outlined in this section. As for Weinberger, there the court relied
    entirely on the premise that “civilian federal employees may seek to enjoin government
    actions that violate their constitutional rights.” 
    818 F.2d at 940
    . However, by ruling that
    covered employees’ constitutional claims had to run through the CSRA scheme, Elgin
    unsettled that assumption. As the D.C. Circuit recently recognized, this part of Weinberger
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    Accordingly, the only conclusion consistent with the text of the
    statute and binding Supreme Court authority is that Congress’s intent to
    preclude pre-enforcement challenges is fairly discernible in the CSRA.
    C.
    But our inquiry does not stop there. Jurisdiction over the plaintiffs’
    claims is only precluded if their “claims are of the type Congress intended to
    “cannot survive the Supreme Court’s subsequent decisions in Thunder Basin and Elgin.”
    Payne, 
    2023 WL 2576742
    , at *6.
    Finally, the majority cites two Supreme Court cases that adjudicated the merits of
    pre-enforcement challenges to laws and programs affecting federal employees without
    addressing CSRA preclusion. See United States v. NTEU, 
    513 U.S. 454
     (1995); NTEU v.
    Von Raab, 
    489 U.S. 656
     (1989). Both these cases involved constitutional claims and were
    decided before Elgin, which clarified the standard for determining whether the CSRA
    precludes constitutional claims, see 
    567 U.S. at 8-10
    , and applied the appropriate standard
    to find that Elgin’s claims were precluded, see 
    id. at 10-16
    .
    For additional reasons, neither United States v. NTEU nor NTEU v. Von Raab is
    persuasive. It is unclear whether enforcement of the statute at issue in United States v.
    NTEU would have triggered CSRA review. See 
    513 U.S. at 460
     (enforcement through civil
    penalty). And in NTEU v. Von Raab, 
    489 U.S. 656
    , the district court did consider whether
    the CSRA precluded jurisdiction, see 
    649 F. Supp. 380
    , 384-86 (E.D. La. 1986). The district
    court’s jurisdictional holding rested on two principal grounds, one of which was abrogated
    by the CSRA amendments and the other undermined by Elgin. First, the district court
    reasoned that the challenged program, a drug-testing scheme for certain Customs Service
    employees, was a warrantless search. 
    649 F. Supp. at 384-85
    . Relying on dicta in Lucas
    that warrantless searches were not personnel actions under the CSRA, the district court
    decided that a challenge to the drug-testing scheme was not covered under the CSRA. See
    
    id.
     (discussing Lucas, 
    462 U.S. at
    385 n.28). As I explained, supra note 5, at the time of the
    district court’s and the Supreme Court’s decisions, the CSRA had not yet been amended
    to add the “working conditions” phrase—abrogating the Lucas dicta and this part of Von
    Raab. Regardless, since the Lucas dicta was highly persuasive when Von Raab was decided,
    it is unsurprising that the Supreme Court did not take up jurisdiction sua sponte after
    neither party raised the issue. See Pet’rs’ Br., NTEU v. Von Raab, No. 86-1879, 
    1988 WL 1025626
    ; Resp’t’s Br., NTEU v. Von Raab, No. 86-1879, 
    1987 WL 880093
    . Second, like
    Weinberger, the district court relied on the idea that the plaintiffs were seeking to enjoin
    unconstitutional activity. See Von Raab, 
    649 F. Supp. at 385-86
    . But Elgin calls this theory
    into question.
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    be reviewed within” the CSRA. Thunder Basin, 
    510 U.S. at 212
    . Three
    factors are probative of Congress’s intent: whether preclusion could
    foreclose all meaningful judicial review of the claims; whether the claims are
    collateral to the review scheme; and whether the claims are outside the
    agency’s expertise. See Thunder Basin, 
    510 U.S. at 212-13
    ; Free Enter. Fund
    v. Public Co. Acct. Oversight Bd., 
    561 U.S. 477
    , 489 (2010) (cleaned up)
    (“[W]e presume that Congress does not intend to limit jurisdiction if a
    finding of preclusion could foreclose all meaningful judicial review; if the suit
    is wholly collateral to a statute’s review provisions; and if the claims are
    outside the agency’s expertise.” (cleaned up)).
    Here, preclusion would foreclose meaningful judicial review of
    plaintiffs’ pre-enforcement challenge to the requirement. So we ask whether
    Congress intended the CSRA to have that effect in this case. Since plaintiffs’
    challenge to the requirement as ultra vires sounds in separation-of-powers
    principles, I conclude, in this narrow circumstance, that this claim is not of
    the kind Congress intended to be precluded by the CSRA under Elgin and
    Fausto. 12
    1.
    Neither § 2302, the All Writs Act, nor the procedure for challenging
    major adverse actions provides for meaningful judicial review of plaintiffs’
    pre-enforcement challenge.
    12
    Preclusion of plaintiffs’ claim under the APA, on the other hand, does not raise
    the same constitutional concerns. After all, the APA does not apply to the President, see
    Franklin v. Massachusetts, 
    505 U.S. 788
    , 800-01 (1992), and Congress’s potential
    withdrawal of jurisdiction over agency-by-agency implementation of the requirement does
    not raise the specter of the President altering the separation of powers or implicate a
    constitutionally necessary remedy. Moreover, for the reasons stated in the panel opinion,
    Feds for Med. Freedom, 30 F.4th at 510-12, the APA claim is not wholly collateral to the
    CSRA scheme and does not exceed the MSPB’s expertise.
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    I agree with the majority that plaintiffs do not have a path to
    meaningful judicial review of their separation-of-powers claim under § 2302
    or the All Writs Act, 
    28 U.S.C. § 1651
    . As described above, judicial review
    under § 2302 is not available unless the OSC petitions the MSPB for
    corrective action. See 
    5 U.S.C. §§ 1214
    (b)(2)(C), 1214(c), 7703(b)-(c). The
    plaintiffs would have to wait and see if the OSC filed a petition. And the OSC
    could insulate the requirement from judicial review by declining to escalate
    to the MSPB. 13
    Mandamus relief under § 1651 does not offer meaningful judicial
    review, either. While § 1651 “authorizes employment of extraordinary writs,
    it confines the authority to the issuance of process ‘in aid of’ the issuing
    court’s jurisdiction.” Clinton v. Goldsmith, 
    526 U.S. 529
    , 534 (1999) (quoting
    
    28 U.S.C. § 1651
    (a)). If the CSRA strips jurisdiction from federal courts to
    hear pre-enforcement challenges in their “arising under” jurisdiction, 
    28 U.S.C. § 1331
    , then no jurisdiction exists for mandamus to aid. 14 And as the
    13
    The plaintiffs could seek a writ of mandamus compelling the OSC to take the
    ministerial act of investigating a complaint, but not to petition the MSPB for corrective
    action, which is within OSC’s discretion. See Carson v. U.S. Off. of Special Counsel, 
    633 F.3d 487
    , 491-92 (6th Cir. 2011).
    14
    The prospective jurisdiction doctrine ordinarily permits an appellate court to
    issue writs that “are within its appellate jurisdiction although no appeal has been
    perfected.” FTC v. Dean Foods Co., 
    384 U.S. 597
    , 630 (1966). “Once there has been a
    proceeding of some kind instituted before an agency . . . that might lead to an appeal, it
    makes sense to speak of the matter as being within our appellate jurisdiction—however
    prospective or potential that jurisdiction might be.” In re Tennant, 
    359 F.3d 523
    , 529 (D.C.
    Cir. 2004) (Roberts, J.) (cleaned up). Arguably, in the event that a pre-enforcement
    complaint could be made with the OSC, the possibility that the OSC would petition the
    MSPB and that the MSPB would issue an appealable final order would render the case in
    the Federal Circuit’s protective jurisdiction. Cf. In re Donohoe, 
    311 F. App’x 357
    , 358-59
    (Fed. Cir. 2008) (per curiam) (concluding that the court lacked authority under the All
    Writs Act to mandamus the MSPB where the petitioner ‘did not seek remedy from [the
    MSPB] or initiate any proceeding at [the MSPB] before seeking relief from [the Federal
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    majority points out, there is no reason why the CSRA would strip jurisdiction
    under § 1331 but not § 1651.
    Finally, the CSRA channel for appellate review over major adverse
    actions is not meaningfully available in this case. See 
    5 U.S.C. §§ 7513
    (d),
    7703(a)(1), (b)(1)(A). The Executive Order does not require agencies to take
    major adverse actions against noncompliant employees, see Exec. Order No.
    14043, 86 Fed. Reg. at 50,990, and neither does the guidance. Instead, the
    guidance gives agencies discretion but does not explicitly require them to
    discipline employees with “a letter of reprimand, followed by a short
    suspension,” “a longer second suspension,” and “proposing removal.”
    Vaccinations, Safer Fed. Workforce; see Guidance on Enforcement of
    Coronavirus Disease 2019 Vaccination Requirement for Federal Employees –
    Executive      Order       14043,       Off.        of      Personnel             Mgmt.
    https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/Enforcement-Guidance-
    FAQs_508.pdf (similar). This disciplinary policy would not necessarily
    result in a major adverse action like removal. At most, the guidance states
    that “consistency across Government in enforcement of this Government-
    wide vaccine policy is desired, and the Executive Order does not permit
    exceptions from the vaccination requirement except as required by law.”
    Vaccinations, Safer Fed. Workforce; compare Exec. Order No. 12,564,
    51 Fed. Reg. at 32,889-90 (“Agencies shall initiate action to remove from the
    service any employee who is found to use illegal drugs.” (emphasis added)).
    In theory, under the vaccination requirement and the CSRA, agencies
    could circumvent judicial review by only taking minor adverse actions against
    employees who refused vaccination. This appears to have been agency
    Circuit]”). But since the CSRA likely strips the Federal Circuit of § 1651 jurisdiction, this
    theory is a non-starter.
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    practice. During the almost two months that passed from the start of
    enforcement to the district court’s injunction, there is no evidence that any
    agency proposed a major adverse action against any noncompliant employee.
    Had the vaccine requirement been allowed to continue, agencies could have
    continued suspending employees for fourteen-day periods without triggering
    the major adverse action process. Because the requirement’s disciplinary
    policy gives agencies discretion to evade judicial review, and because
    implementation of the policy had that effect, I conclude that CSRA
    preclusion would foreclose all meaningful review. 15
    2.
    The plaintiffs’ challenge to the vaccine requirement as exceeding the
    President’s statutory and constitutional authority is not the sort of claim that
    Congress intended to remove from all meaningful judicial review.
    “Congress generally does not violate Article III when it strips federal
    jurisdiction over a class of cases.” Patchak v. Zinke, 
    138 S. Ct. 897
    , 906 (2018)
    (plurality op.). But there are limits on this jurisdiction-stripping power, at
    least two of which are relevant here. “Jurisdiction-stripping statutes can
    violate other provisions of the Constitution.” Patchak, 
    138 S. Ct. at
    906 n.3
    (plurality op.). And they can violate Article III “if they attempt to direct the
    15
    The district court found this case ripe in part because “some plaintiffs face an
    inevitable firing.” Feds for Med. Freedom, 581 F. Supp. 3d at 832. But the government letter
    upon which the district court relied imposed a fourteen-day suspension and said, “any
    further misconduct . . . will not be tolerated and may result in more severe discipline.”
    Regardless, there is daylight between when an action becomes ripe because of the threat of
    disciplinary action and when a major adverse action is sufficiently certain such that
    meaningful judicial review is not foreclosed. Of course, it will not always be the case that a
    disciplinary policy that permits but does not require major adverse actions be taken against
    employees will foreclose all meaningful review. But the language of the guidance and
    patterns of agency enforcement show that preclusion would foreclose review here.
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    result by effectively altering legal standards that Congress is powerless to
    prescribe.” Id. (quoting Bank Markazi v. Peterson, 
    578 U.S. 212
    , 228 (2016)).
    These principles raise serious constitutional doubts about an
    interpretation of the CSRA that would foreclose all federal jurisdiction over
    plaintiffs’ ultra vires claim. Congress, not the President, has the power to
    define federal court jurisdiction. See U.S. Const., art. I, § 8 (giving Congress
    the power to “constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court”); id. art.
    III, § 1 (vesting the judicial power “in one supreme Court, and in such
    inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish”).
    If we read the CSRA as permitting the President to say which of his federal
    employment policies were subject to judicial review—here, by creating a
    disciplinary scheme that might never permit appeal from a personnel
    action—the statute might transfer jurisdictional control from Article I to
    Article II.
    In the usual course of administration under the CSRA, this lurking
    threat of an unconstitutional delegation never surfaces. See Gundy v. United
    States, 
    139 S. Ct. 2116
    , 2123 (2019) (Congress “may not transfer to another
    branch ‘powers which are strictly and exclusively legislative.’” (quoting
    Wayman v. Southard, 
    23 U.S. (10 Wheat.) 1
    , 42-43 (1825)). When a covered
    employee violates an employment policy, the Executive Branch merely
    decides whether a particular infraction warrants a major adverse action or
    not. These discretionary decisions about how to punish employees are a
    lawful exercise of Executive authority “to implement and enforce” the
    CSRA. 
    Id.
     Similarly, the Executive can usually decide that a particular class
    of conduct does not merit a major adverse action as punishment without
    triggering a constitutional question.
    But the threat of an unconstitutional delegation becomes material
    when the Executive uses the CSRA to decide the outcome of a separation-of-
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    powers challenge to a federal employment policy. Whatever power the
    President has to enact those policies comes from Congressional enactments
    and the Constitution, neither of which the President can change himself. See
    Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 
    343 U.S. 579
    , 585 (1952). So, by
    designing an employment policy in such a way that the CSRA precludes all
    federal jurisdiction to review a separation-of-powers challenge, the President
    could nullify any limits on his powers set by Article I and Article II. 16
    Further, by doing so, he would decide the outcome of this litigation. I doubt
    that Congress, in enacting the CSRA, intended to give the President control
    of federal jurisdiction so that he might acquire powers that the plaintiffs
    contend have not been given to him by statute or the Constitution.
    In addition, if the CSRA foreclosed all meaningful review over the
    plaintiffs’ ultra vires claim, a serious constitutional question would arise
    about whether Congress had eliminated a mandatory remedy for separation-
    16
    This scenario is a variation on the puzzle that the Supreme Court solved in United
    States v. Klein, 
    80 U.S. 128
     (1872). There, the plaintiff sought to recover the sale proceeds
    of expropriated property on behalf of an estate under a Civil War law that allowed recovery
    if the owner had “never given any aid or comfort to the present rebellion.” Bank Markazi,
    578 U.S. at 227 (cleaned up). The original estate holder had been pardoned by President
    Lincoln, and the Supreme Court had held that a Presidential pardon satisfied the loyalty
    requirement of the expropriation statute. See United States v. Padelford, 
    76 U.S. 531
    , 543
    (1870). Congress then passed a statute repudiating the Supreme Court’s decision. The
    statute said that pardons could not be used to prove loyalty, that accepting a pardon under
    certain circumstances would prove disloyalty, and that the Court of Claims and the
    Supreme Court had “to dismiss for want of jurisdiction any claim based on a pardon.”
    Bank Markazi, 578 U.S. at 227. In Klein, the Supreme Court held that this jurisdiction-
    stripping statute “passed the limit which separated the legislative from the judicial power,”
    Klein, 
    80 U.S. at 147
    , by seeking “to nullify” “Presidential pardons . . . by withdrawing
    federal-court jurisdiction,” Bank Markazi, 578 U.S. at 227 n.19. Stated in general terms,
    Congress had impermissibly “exercise[d] its authority . . . to regulate federal jurisdiction
    . . . in a way that require[d] a federal court to act unconstitutionally.” Id. (cleaned up)
    (quoting Daniel J. Meltzer, Congress, Courts, and Constitutional Remedies, 
    86 Geo. L.J. 2537
    , 2549 (1998)).
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    of-powers violations.         There may be some “constitutionally necessary
    remedies for the violation of constitutional rights” that Congress cannot
    preclude through jurisdiction stripping. Richard H. Fallon, Jr., Jurisdiction-
    Stripping Reconsidered, 
    96 Va. L. Rev. 1043
    , 1134 (2010). Injunctive relief
    for Executive Branch actions that exceed the President’s authority may be
    one such remedy. 17 See Am. Sch. of Magnetic Healing v. McAnnulty, 
    187 U.S. 94
    , 108 (1902) (“The acts of all [Executive Branch] officers must be justified
    by some law, and in case an official violates the law to the injury of an
    individual the courts generally have jurisdiction to grant relief. . . . Otherwise,
    the individual is left to the absolutely uncontrolled and arbitrary action of a
    public and administrative officer, whose action is unauthorized by any law,
    and is in violation of the rights of the individual.).
    Had Congress foreclosed all meaningful judicial review over
    plaintiffs’ ultra vires claim, we would have to confront these difficult
    constitutional questions today.            But nothing in the CSRA shows that
    Congress meant to preclude federal jurisdiction to adjudicate separation-of-
    powers challenges to employment policies set by the President. An ultra vires
    claim like the plaintiffs’ is therefore within our narrow subject-matter
    jurisdiction and outside the comprehensive CSRA scheme described by the
    Supreme Court in Elgin and Fausto.
    III.
    Because we have jurisdiction over plaintiffs’ challenge to the
    requirement as ultra vires, we next must consider whether the district court
    abused its discretion in granting the plaintiffs’ request for a nationwide
    17
    The same might be true of individual constitutional claims. See Webster v. Doe,
    
    486 U.S. 592
    , 603 (1988) (“[S]erious constitutional question[s] . . . would arise if a federal
    statute were construed to deny any judicial forum for a colorable constitutional claim.”
    (cleaned up)).
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    preliminary injunction. See Atchafalaya Basinkeeper v. U.S. Army Corps of
    Eng’rs, 
    894 F.3d 692
    , 696 (5th Cir. 2018). To obtain a preliminary injunction,
    the plaintiffs must establish that they are “likely to succeed on the merits”
    and “likely to suffer irreparable harm in the absence of preliminary relief,”
    “that the balance of the equities tips in [their] favor, and that an injunction is
    in the public interest.” Winter v. Nat. Res. Def. Council, Inc., 
    555 U.S. 7
    , 20
    (2008).
    For the reasons I offered in my motions panel dissent, see Feds for Med.
    Freedom, 25 F.4th at 356-60, reproduced in relevant part below, 18 infra
    Section III.A, the plaintiffs have not shown that they are entitled to a
    preliminary injunction, and a nationwide injunction is inappropriate.
    A.
    Had our court ever given it the chance, the government likely would
    have succeeded in showing that the President has authority to promulgate
    this Executive Order pertaining to the federal executive workforce.
    “Under our Constitution, the ‘executive Power’—all of it—is ‘vested
    in a President,’ who must ‘take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.’”
    Seila Law LLC v. Consumer Fin. Prot. Bureau, 
    140 S. Ct. 2183
    , 2191 (2020)
    (quoting U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 1; and then quoting id. § 3). The
    President’s executive power has long been understood to include “general
    administrative control of those executing the laws.” Id. at 2197-98 (quoting
    Myers v. United States, 
    272 U.S. 52
    , 163-64 (1926)). Accordingly, the
    President “has the right to prescribe the qualifications of [Executive Branch]
    employees and to attach conditions to their employment.” Friedman v.
    Schwellenbach, 
    159 F.2d 22
    , 24 (App. D.C. Cir. 1946); see also Old Dominion
    18
    I have made some edits to the text.
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    Branch No. 496, Nat’l Ass’n of Letter Carriers, AFL-CIO v. Austin, 
    418 U.S. 264
    , 273 n.5 (1974) (noting “the President’s responsibility for the efficient
    operation of the Executive Branch”); Crandon v. United States, 
    494 U.S. 152
    ,
    180 (1990) (Scalia, J., concurring in the judgment) (describing “the
    President’s discretion-laden power” to regulate the Executive Branch under
    
    5 U.S.C. § 7301
    ); NTEU v. Bush, 
    891 F.2d 99
     (5th Cir. 1989) (upholding
    President Reagan’s executive order authorizing random drug testing of
    certain federal employees). The President, as head of the federal executive
    workforce, has authority to establish the same immunization requirement
    that many private employers imposed to ensure workplace safety and prevent
    workplace disruptions caused by COVID-19.
    The district court rejected the above argument as “a bridge too far,”
    given “the current state of the law as just recently expressed by the Supreme
    Court” in NFIB v. OSHA, 
    142 S. Ct. 661 (2022)
    , and Biden v. Missouri, 
    142 S. Ct. 647 (2022)
    . However, the district court misapprehended the single,
    animating principle that all Justices embraced in these decisions. As Justice
    Gorsuch explained in his NFIB concurrence, “The central question we face
    today is: Who decides?” 142 S. Ct at 667 (Gorsuch, J., concurring). In NFIB,
    the Court stayed an immunization requirement that unelected agency
    officials imposed on private employers that do not receive federal funding,
    explaining that “[a]dministrative agencies are creatures of statute” and that
    the Occupational Safety and Health Act does not “plainly authorize[] the
    Secretary’s [immunization or testing] requirement.” 142 S. Ct. at 665.
    Comparatively, in Biden v. Missouri, which involved an immunization
    requirement that unelected agency officials imposed on the staff of healthcare
    facilities receiving Medicare and Medicaid funding, the Court concluded that
    “the Secretary’s rule falls within the authorities that Congress has conferred
    upon him.” 142 S. Ct. at 652. Notably, even the dissenting Justices in that
    case acknowledged that “[v]accine requirements . . . fall squarely within a
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    State’s police power.” Id. at 658 (Thomas, J., dissenting); see also NFIB v.
    OSHA, 142 S. Ct at 667 (Gorsuch, J., concurring) (“There is no question
    that state and local authorities possess considerable power to regulate public
    health.”). Thus, in these two cases, the Court gave a consensus answer to
    Justice Gorsuch’s question: it is elected, democratically-accountable
    officials, including members of Congress 19 and state legislators, 20 who have
    authority to decide—and answer for—the infection-fighting measures that
    they impose, including immunization requirements, such as mandatory
    smallpox vaccination, that our country has utilized for centuries.                      See
    Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 
    197 U.S. 11
     (1905) (upholding the authority of
    states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws); Austin v. U.S. Navy Seals 1-
    26, 
    142 S. Ct. 1301 (2022)
     (staying district court order preventing Navy from
    considering vaccination status in making operational decisions); Lukaszczyk
    v. Cook Cnty., 
    47 F.4th 587
     (7th Cir. 2022) (upholding state and local vaccine
    19
    Cf. 
    8 U.S.C. § 1182
    (a)(1)(A)(ii) (statutory requirement that any alien “who seeks
    admission as an immigrant” must “receive[] vaccination against vaccine-preventable
    diseases,” including “mumps, measles, rubella, polio, tetanus and diphtheria toxoids,
    pertussis, influenza type B and hepatitis B”).
    20
    For example, at least one state governor recently exercised his executive
    authority to permanently require COVID-19 vaccinations for certain state employees. See
    Off. of Governor Jay Inslee, State of Wash., Directive 22-13.1, COVID-19 Vaccination
    Standards for State Employees (Aug. 5, 2022). A bill has been introduced in the
    Washington House to permit reemployment for state employees who were dismissed from
    their jobs for failing to get vaccinated. H.B. 1029, 68th Leg., Reg. Sess. (Wash. 2023).
    Conversely, in Texas, Governor Abbot issued an executive order prohibiting Texas entities
    from requiring employees to get vaccinated and that would terminate when the Texas
    legislature passed legislation “consider[ing] this issue.” Exec. Dep’t, State of Tex., Exec.
    Order GA 40, Relating to Prohibiting Vaccine Mandates, Subject to Legislative Action
    (Oct. 11, 2021).
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    requirements), cert. denied sub nom., Troogstad v. Chicago, 
    143 S. Ct. 734 (2023)
    . 21
    The President is not an unelected administrator. He is instead the
    head of a co-equal branch of government and the most singularly accountable
    elected official in the country. This federal workplace safety order displaces
    no state police powers and coerces no private sector employers. Instead,
    consistent with his Article II duty to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully
    executed,” the President performed his role as CEO of the federal
    workforce, 22 taking executive action in order to keep open essential
    government buildings; 23 to maintain the provision of vital government
    services, such as the Transportation Security Administration; and to prevent
    unvaccinated federal employees from infecting co-workers or members of the
    public who, whether because of age or infirmity, might be highly vulnerable
    to hospitalization and death.
    21
    Indeed, executive immunization requirements predate the birth of this country,
    with George Washington famously requiring members of the Continental Army to be
    inoculated against smallpox. See Letter from George Washington to William Shippen, Jr.
    (Feb. 6, 1777), in 8 The Papers of George Washington, Revolutionary
    War Series, 6 January 1777 - 27 March 1777, 264 (Frank E. Grizzard, Jr., ed.)
    (1998) (“Finding the small pox to be spreading much and fearing that no precaution can
    prevent it from running thro’ the whole of our Army, I have determined that the troops
    shall be inoculated.”).
    22
    Notably, in a recent survey of nearly 500 employers, the employee benefits
    consultancy Mercer “found 44% with a [vaccine] requirement currently in place and 6%
    planning to implement one, with another 9% still considering it.” Beth Umland & Mary
    Kay O’Neill, Worksite Vaccine Requirements in the Wake of the OSHA ETS (Jan. 27, 2022),
    https://www.mercer.us/our-thinking/healthcare/worksite-vaccine-requirements-in-the-
    wake-of-the-osha-ets.html.
    23
    As noted earlier, in contrast to many of the essential services and executive
    agencies that the President oversees, Article III institutions such as this court can close our
    buildings to the public.
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    Federal employees that disagree with the content of Executive Order
    14043 retain the right to claim an exemption, to leave the government’s
    employment, to collectively bargain, to challenge the order through the
    CSRA, or to challenge the order in federal court, as they have done in this
    case. Of course, any American who disagrees with the content of the order
    has the right to vote the President out of office. Relatedly, Congress
    rescinded the President’s requirement that members of the Armed Forces
    get vaccinations. See James M. Inhofe Nat’l Def. Authorization Act for
    Fiscal Year 2023, 
    Pub. L. No. 117-263, § 525
     (2022). Thus, consistent with
    NFIB v. OSHA and Biden v. Missouri, and applying the Supreme Court’s
    methodology for assessing the President’s emergency powers in the absence
    of direct Congressional intervention, see Youngstown, 
    343 U.S. at 635-38
    (Jackson, J., concurring in the judgment and opinion of the Court); Dames &
    Moore v. Regan, 
    453 U.S. 654
    , 669 (1981) (“[E]xecutive action in any
    particular instance falls . . . at some point along a spectrum running from
    explicit congressional authorization to explicit congressional prohibition.
    This is particularly true as respects cases . . . involving responses to
    international crises the nature of which Congress can hardly have been
    expected to anticipate in any detail.”), accountability for the federal
    executive employee immunization requirement is open, obvious, and vested
    in one elected, democratically accountable official. These cases do not cast
    doubt on, but rather determinatively confirm, the President’s emergency
    power to issue Executive Order No. 14043. Yet our court refuses to explain
    why the President does not have this power.
    In addition to the issues discussed above, the government is also likely
    to succeed in showing that the plaintiffs have not met their burden for
    obtaining a preliminary injunction. A plaintiff seeking such an injunction
    must establish, among other requirements, “that he is likely to suffer
    irreparable harm in the absence of preliminary relief.” Winter, 
    555 U.S. at
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    20. However, even if the plaintiffs were to lose their jobs as a result of this
    order, we have explained in a previous case involving “discharge under the
    federal civil service laws” that “[i]t is practically universal jurisprudence in
    labor relations in this country that there is an adequate remedy for individual
    wrongful discharge after the fact of discharge”: “reinstatement and back
    pay.” Garcia v. United States, 
    680 F.2d 29
    , 31-32 (5th Cir. 1982). The CSRA
    makes this remedy available to the plaintiffs. See 
    5 U.S.C. § 7118
    (a)(7)(C).
    Accordingly, the district court did not show that the plaintiffs are likely to
    suffer irreparable harm in the absence of preliminary relief. Our court
    rubberstamps the injunction without identifying any irreparable harm, either.
    Finally, even if I were to conclude that the plaintiffs were entitled to
    injunctive relief, I agree with Judge Haynes and would not affirm the district
    court’s grant of a nationwide injunction. 24 As our court recently explained,
    nationwide injunctions “can constitute ‘rushed, high-stake, low-information
    decisions,’ while more limited equitable relief can be beneficial.” Louisiana
    v. Becerra, 
    20 F.4th 260
    , 264 (5th Cir. 2021) (quoting Dep’t of Homeland Sec.
    v. New York, 
    140 S. Ct. 599
    , 600, (2020) (Gorsuch, J., concurring in the grant
    of a stay)); see Kentucky v. Biden, 
    57 F.4th 545
    , 556-57 (6th Cir. 2023) (finding
    district court abused its discretion in extending preliminary injunction of
    vaccine requirement for federal contracts to non-parties); see also Trump v.
    Hawaii, 
    138 S. Ct. 2392
    , 2425 (2018) (Thomas, J., concurring) (observing
    that nationwide injunctions “are beginning to take a toll on the federal court
    system—preventing legal questions from percolating through the federal
    24
    In this respect, I join Judge Haynes’s separate opinion.
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    courts, encouraging forum shopping, and making every case a national
    emergency for the courts and for the Executive Branch”). 25
    Cognizant of the separation of powers, as well as our judicial ignorance
    of the immense task of running the Executive Branch of government, for
    which the President, informed by public health experts, is solely accountable,
    I would not allow an unelected lower court to impose its Article III fiat on
    millions of Article II employees, above all when a dozen other lower courts
    have declined to enjoin the President’s order. More egregious, our court
    should not have approved this unaccountable exercise of the judicial power
    without explaining why an injunction was warranted in the first place.
    B.
    In affirming the district court’s nationwide injunction, the majority
    defends the scope of the injunction but does not say why the district court
    properly exercised its discretion in granting any injunction at all. “After
    25
    The majority argues that a nationwide injunction is permissible because “any
    benefit to outside parties is ‘merely incidental.’” I fail to understand how this is so.
    Historically, courts of equity “did not provide relief beyond the parties to the case.” Trump
    v. Hawaii, 
    138 S. Ct. 2392
    , 2427 (2018) (Thomas, J., concurring). Of course, an injunction
    tailored to the parties in a case might sometimes incidentally benefit a nonparty. For
    example, “injunctions barring public nuisances” might “benefit[] third parties . . . merely
    [as] a consequence of providing relief to the plaintiff,” 
    id.,
     because when a source of water
    or air pollution is enjoined, everyone’s water or air gets cleaner. But a nationwide
    injunction barring the vaccine requirement is not analogous to an injunction barring a public
    nuisance. Outside parties to this case who don’t want to get vaccinated are directly shielded
    from federal government enforcement action by the nationwide injunction; they are direct
    “beneficiaries” of the relief granted to plaintiffs, even though they are not plaintiffs. In
    sum, there is no way to turn upside down Justice Thomas’s skepticism toward nationwide
    injunctions by framing this case as an exception to “historical limits on equity and judicial
    power.” 
    Id. at 2429
     (Thomas, J., concurring). Rather, by affirming the Executive Order,
    every court excepts ours has respected the President’s decision to protect federal
    employees and the public from the effects of a pandemic disease and respected the principle
    that courts do not make federal policy. See 
    id. at 2427
     (Thomas, J., concurring).
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    carefully considering the district court’s opinion and the Government’s
    criticisms of it, we are unpersuaded that the district court abused its
    discretion. And we need not repeat the district court’s reasoning, with which
    we substantially agree”—that’s it.         In two sentences and without any
    explanation, after more than a year of government attempts to get our court
    to engage, we limit the President’s authority to protect federal employees
    from a pandemic. Our perfunctory treatment of this important and difficult
    issue does not reflect a “[d]ue regard for the implications of the distribution
    of powers in our Constitution and for the nature of the judicial process as the
    ultimate authority in interpreting the Constitution.” Youngstown, 
    343 U.S. at 597
     (Frankfurter, J., concurring). Nor does it meet our basic “obligation
    to say enough that the public can be confident that cases are decided in a
    reasoned way.” United States v. Handlon, 
    53 F.4th 348
    , 353 (5th Cir. 2022);
    see Rita v. United States, 
    551 U.S. 338
    , 356 (2007).
    ***
    This case requires us to determine the powers of the President to
    regulate the Executive Branch workforce—in other words, “to intervene in
    determining where authority lies as between the democratic forces in our
    scheme of government.” Youngstown, 
    343 U.S. at 597
     (Frankfurter, J.,
    concurring).    As Justice Frankfurter warned during another national
    emergency, “we should be wary and humble” in drawing those lines. 
    Id.
    Contrary to his teachings, our court, asserting that it is right but unable to
    explain why, hastily sketches the President as a diminished figure in our
    system of government.
    I respectfully dissent.
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    Carl E. Stewart, Circuit Judge, joined by Richman, Chief Judge, and
    Dennis and Graves, Circuit Judges, dissenting:
    Respectfully, I dissent from the en banc majority opinion because, as
    the original panel opinion held, the Civil Service Reform Act (“CSRA”), 
    5 U.S.C. § 1101
     et seq., precludes district court review of challenges to
    Executive Order 14043 (“the Order”). See Feds for Med. Freedom v. Biden
    (“Feds II”), 
    30 F.4th 503
    , 511 (5th Cir. 2022). As the Supreme Court
    explained in United States v. Fausto, “the CSRA comprehensively overhauled
    the civil service system, creating an elaborate new framework for evaluating
    adverse personnel actions against [federal employees].” 
    484 U.S. 439
    , 443
    (1988) (internal quotation marks and citations omitted). “It prescribes in
    great detail the protections and remedies applicable to such action, including
    the availability of administrative and judicial review.” 
    Id.
    As we explained in Feds II, “[t]he CSRA established ‘the
    comprehensive and exclusive procedures for settling work-related
    controversies between federal civil-service employees and the federal
    government.’” 30 F.4th at 506 (quoting Rollins v. Marsh, 
    937 F.2d 134
    , 139
    (5th Cir. 1991)). Prior to the enactment of the CSRA, administrative and
    judicial review under the civil service system was “haphazard,” resulting
    from the “outdated patchwork of statutes and rules built up over almost a
    century.” Fausto, 
    484 U.S. at 444
     (quoting S. Rep. No. 95–969, at 3
    (1978)). This system drew “widespread” criticism, in part because it
    produced inconsistent judicial decisions on similar matters due to the
    “concurrent jurisdiction, under various bases of jurisdiction, of district
    courts in all Circuits and the Court of Claims.” 
    Id. at 445
    . In response to these
    issues, Congress enacted the CSRA, which imposed “an integrated scheme
    of administrative and judicial review, designed to balance the legitimate
    interests of the various categories of federal employees with the needs of
    sound and efficient administration.” 
    Id.
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    The CSRA provides different procedures for employees facing
    different types of employment actions. Feds II, 30 F.4th at 507 (“The CSRA
    distinguishes between employees facing ‘proposed’ adverse action and those
    who have already suffered an adverse action[.]”). Employees facing
    “proposed” action are entitled to notice, an opportunity to respond, legal
    representation, and written reasons supporting the employing agency’s
    decision. 
    5 U.S.C. § 7513
    (b). A Merit Systems Protection Board (“MSPB”)
    appeal, however, is only guaranteed to “employee[s] against whom an action
    is taken.” Feds II, 30 F.4th at 508; § 7513(d). “If the employee prevails on
    appeal, the MSPB can order the agency to comply with its decision and award
    ‘reinstatement, backpay, and attorney’s fees.’” Id. at 507; Elgin v. Dep’t of
    Treasury, 
    567 U.S. 1
    , 6 (2012) (citing 
    5 U.S.C. §§ 1204
    (a)(2), 7701(g)). “‘An
    employee who is dissatisfied with the MSPB’s decision is entitled to judicial
    review in the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit’ under
    § 7703.” Id. (quoting Elgin, 
    567 U.S. at 6
    ). The jurisdiction of the Federal
    Circuit over such appeals is “exclusive.” 
    Id.
     (citing 
    28 U.S.C. § 1295
    (a)(9)).
    Once an employee appeals to the Federal Circuit, that court must “review
    the record and hold unlawful and set aside any agency action, findings, or
    conclusions that are (1) arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion, or
    otherwise not in accordance with law; (2) obtained without procedures
    required by law, rule, or regulation having been followed; or (3) unsupported
    by substantial evidence.” 
    Id.
     (citing 
    5 U.S.C. § 7703
    (c)(1)–(3) (internal
    quotation marks omitted)). This remedial scheme is intricate and as the
    Supreme Court has recognized, “[g]iven the painstaking detail with which
    the CSRA sets out the method for covered employees to obtain review of
    adverse employment actions, it is fairly discernible that Congress intended to
    deny such employees an additional avenue of review in district court.” 
    Id.
    (quoting Elgin, 
    567 U.S. at
    11–12).
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    In Elgin v. Department of Treasury, the Supreme Court addressed an
    attempt by former federal employees to “carve out an exception to CSRA
    exclusivity for facial or as-applied constitutional challenges to federal
    statutes.” 
    567 U.S. at 12
    . The Court rejected their attempt, explaining that
    the CSRA’s text and structure demonstrated that “[t]he availability of
    administrative and judicial review under the CSRA generally turns on the
    type of civil service employee and adverse employment action at issue,” not
    whether a challenged action is constitutionally authorized. 
    Id.
     at 12–13. The
    Court further noted that the CSRA’s purpose, which is to create an
    integrated scheme of review, confirms that “the statutory review scheme is
    exclusive.” 
    Id. at 13
    . The Court ultimately held that “the CSRA provides the
    exclusive avenue to judicial review when a qualifying employee challenges an
    adverse employment action by arguing that a federal statute is
    unconstitutional.” 
    Id. at 5
    .
    Relying on this Supreme Court guidance, the Feds II panel majority
    reasoned that this case is “the vehicle by which [the plaintiffs] seek to avoid
    imminent adverse employment action” for not complying with the Order,
    “which is precisely the type of personnel action regularly adjudicated by the
    MSPB and the Federal Circuit within the CSRA scheme.” 30 F.4th at 511
    (citing Elgin, 
    567 U.S. at 22
    ) (internal quotation marks omitted). The panel
    majority further determined that the plaintiffs’ claims did not exceed the
    MSPB’s expertise. 
    Id.
     (citing Elgin, 
    567 U.S. at 22
     (recognizing that “many
    threshold questions . . . may accompany a constitutional claim” and “the
    MSPB can apply its expertise” to those questions)).
    A unanimous Fourth Circuit panel agreed with our view that
    “Congress intended for the CSRA to cover [the plaintiffs’] claims” and
    “that the district court lacked jurisdiction” over a challenge to the Order. See
    Rydie v. Biden, No. 21-2359, 
    2022 WL 1153249
    , at *3 (4th Cir. Apr. 19, 2022).
    Like the Feds II panel majority, Rydie relied on Elgin to hold that “Congress
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    intended the CSRA to foreclose judicial review in at least some
    circumstances.” Id. at *4. As the Rydie panel observed, courts use the three
    Thunder Basin factors 1 to determine whether Congress intended the CSRA
    to foreclose judicial review in certain cases and concluded that the factors
    militated in favor of preclusion. Rydie, 
    2022 WL 1153249
    , at *4–7. Both the
    Feds II and Rydie decisions align with those of other courts that have
    considered challenges to the Order since April of last year. See Am. Fed’n of
    Gov’t Emps. Loc. 2018 v. Biden, 
    598 F. Supp. 3d 241
    , 248 (E.D. Pa. 2022)
    (“This action will be dismissed in its entirety for lack of subject-matter
    jurisdiction.”); Payne v. Biden, 
    602 F. Supp. 3d 147
    , 151 (D.D.C. 2022)
    (“The Court will grant the Government’s Motion because the Civil Service
    Reform Act deprives the Court of subject-matter jurisdiction over this
    workplace dispute involving a covered federal employee.”) 2; Am. Fed’n of
    Gov’t Emps. Loc. 2586 v. Biden, No. CIV-21-1130-SLP, 
    2022 WL 3695297
    , at
    *4 (W.D. Okla. July 22, 2022) (“[T]he Court finds the CSRA’s scheme is
    detailed, comprehensive and exclusive and it is fairly discernible that
    Congress intended the Civilian Employees’ claims to be encompassed within
    that scheme.”).
    Because I am not persuaded that we should create a split with the
    Fourth Circuit or depart from the sound reasoning of numerous other federal
    1
    The Thunder Basin factors are: “(1) whether a finding of preclusion could
    foreclose all meaningful judicial review; (2) whether the claims were wholly collateral to a
    statute’s review provisions; and (3) whether the claims were outside the agency’s
    expertise.” See Cochran v. SEC, 
    20 F.4th 194
    , 205 (5th Cir. 2021), cert. granted SEC v.
    Cochran, No. 21-1239, 
    2022 WL 1528373
     (U.S. May 16, 2022) (citing Thunder Basin Coal
    Co. v. Reich, 
    510 U.S. 200
    , 207 (1994)).
    2
    The D.C. Circuit has since ruled in the Government’s favor. See Payne v. Biden, -
    -- F.4th ---, 
    2023 WL 2576742
     (D.C. Cir. 2023).
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    courts that have since heard similar challenges and reached the same result,
    I would affirm our original holding in Feds II that the CSRA precludes the
    district court’s jurisdiction in this case. See 30 F.4th at 511.
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