United States v. Alvin Ray , 690 F. App'x 366 ( 2017 )


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    File Name: 17a0318n.06
    Case No. 16-1785
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS                                FILED
    FOR THE SIXTH CIRCUIT                              Jun 08, 2017
    DEBORAH S. HUNT, Clerk
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,                             )
    )
    Plaintiff-Appellee,                            )        ON APPEAL FROM THE
    )        UNITED STATES DISTRICT
    v.                                                    )        COURT FOR THE EASTERN
    )        DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN
    ALVIN RAY,                                            )
    )
    Defendant-Appellant.                           )
    BEFORE:        KEITH and CLAY, Circuit Judges; MARBLEY, District Judge.*
    MARBLEY, District Judge. This case is before us a second time, following a remand to
    the district court to conduct an evidentiary hearing on Alvin Ray’s motion to suppress statements
    he made to the police after receiving a “midstream” Miranda warning. See United States v. Ray
    (Ray I), 
    803 F.3d 244
    (6th Cir. 2015). On remand, the district court conducted a hearing and
    applied the midstream Miranda warning test from Missouri v. Seibert, 
    542 U.S. 600
    (2004), as
    we instructed, but still found Ray’s post-Miranda confession admissible. United States v. Ray,
    No. 13-20143, 
    2016 WL 3180184
    (E.D. Mich. June 8, 2016). As explained below, however,
    a reasonable person in Ray’s shoes would not have viewed the post-Miranda questioning as a
    “new and distinct experience” that presented “a genuine choice whether to follow up on [his]
    *
    The Honorable Algenon L. Marbley, United States District Judge for the Southern District of Ohio,
    sitting by designation.
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    earlier admission.” Ray 
    I, 803 F.3d at 272-73
    (quotation omitted). Accordingly, we reverse and
    remand for a new trial.
    I. BACKGROUND
    We already recited the relevant facts in Ray’s first appeal. The short version is that, upon
    receiving complaints of drug activity at a residence on Genesee Street, Detroit police officers
    arranged for a controlled buy using a confidential informant (“CI”). The CI returned carrying a
    bag of marijuana that he claimed he purchased from a black male named Alvin Ray. The police
    then obtained a search warrant and returned the next afternoon to execute it.
    Upon executing the warrant, the police discovered Ray and his longtime girlfriend, Cara
    Lee (the mother of Ray’s teenaged son), asleep upstairs. The officers rousted the pair from bed,
    took them down to the living room, handcuffed them, and made them face a wall while the
    officers searched the house for drugs and contraband.        The officers ultimately discovered
    marijuana, crack cocaine, an unloaded shotgun, several shotgun shells, a .22 caliber rifle, and a
    semiautomatic handgun in various rooms of the house.
    Ray and Lee remained detained in the living room for roughly an hour while the officers
    executed the warrant. Several officers walked through the living room at different times, but no
    single officer maintained custody of Ray and Lee during the entirety of the search.
    Ray and Lee testified on remand and told essentially the same story: (1) that one or more
    officers remarked that there were enough guns in the house for both Ray and Lee to go to jail;
    (2) that one or more officers commented on Lee’s status as a state-court employee and made
    veiled threats about her continued employment; (3) that an officer asked Ray whether he had
    been to jail before, to which Ray replied that he had been to federal prison; (4) that the same
    officer chastised Ray for destroying the community by selling drugs; (5) that the same officer
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    asked who owned the guns the police found in the house; and (6) that, in response, Ray took the
    blame for the guns to spare Lee the embarrassment of being arrested or losing her job.
    Five of the officers who executed the warrant also testified on remand, while a sixth died
    before Ray’s original trial and, thus, was unable to testify. The officers generally denied that
    anyone discussed the guns or drugs with Ray while they were in the house. Not one of the
    officers testified that a threat, whether explicit or implicit, was made to Ray or that he was
    questioned at the house. The officers explained that it would have violated their procedures to
    question Ray (or Lee) in the home or in the presence of one another. The officers further
    testified that any discussion with Ray and Lee while at the house was limited to collecting
    routine biographical information and to general topics, like sports and the weather. That said,
    Officers Wiencek and Robson admitted that they spoke to Lee about her son and her
    employment at the Wayne County Friend of the Court’s Office. And several officers left open
    the possibility that someone on their task force asked Ray and Lee about who owned the guns in
    the home.    But not one officer could recall Ray claiming ownership, whether solicited or
    unsolicited, of the guns or drugs while at the house.
    After the search concluded, the officers arrested Ray (but not Lee) and took him to the
    local police station for questioning. Once there, Officers Hill and Robson gave Ray Miranda
    warnings for the first time, both orally and in writing. Ray signed a Miranda warning form and
    certified that he had not been threatened or promised anything. He also agreed to answer their
    questions. At that point, the officers allege that Ray first told them that the marijuana and
    shotgun belonged to him, but he denied ownership of the crack cocaine and the other guns. Ray
    testified that, during the interrogation, he admitted that the shotgun and marijuana were his
    (but not the other firearms) because he already had admitted to it earlier at the house, and
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    because he was afraid that if he denied ownership now, the police would retaliate against him by
    arresting and charging his girlfriend.
    As a result of the search and Ray’s statements to the police, he was convicted of one
    count of being a felon in possession of a firearm, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 922(g); two counts
    of possession with intent to distribute controlled substances (cocaine and marijuana), in violation
    of 21 U.S.C. § 841; and one count of possession of a firearm in furtherance of a drug trafficking
    crime, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 924(c). Lee was not charged with any crimes.
    Ray appealed his convictions on several grounds, one of which we found potentially
    meritorious. Ray 
    I, 803 F.3d at 251
    . Accordingly, we reversed his convictions and remanded the
    matter to the district court to conduct an evidentiary hearing regarding the admission of Ray’s
    station-house confession. 
    Id. In so
    doing, we explicitly adopted the “multi-factor test” from
    Missouri v. Seibert to govern the admissibility of statements given after “midstream Miranda
    warnings.” 
    Id. at 272-73
    (citing 
    Seibert, 542 U.S. at 616
    (plurality opinion)).
    On remand, the district court held an evidentiary hearing, as instructed, and applied the
    multi-factor test from Seibert before determining that Ray’s confession was admissible. Ray,
    
    2016 WL 3180184
    , at *4-5. The court first concluded that most of Ray’s testimony during the
    hearing was not credible. 
    Id. at *3
    (“With such discrepancies in Ray’s testimony on such basic
    facts as the race of the threatening police officer, content of his threat, and timing of the
    admission, Ray’s testimony [regarding coercive conduct] is not credible.             Moreover, no
    testimony by any police officer at trial or the evidentiary hearing supports Ray’s account . . . .”).
    The court then examined each of the five factors from Seibert and concluded that not one of
    them supported a finding that Ray’s police-station confession was inadmissible. 
    Id. at *4-5.
    Next, the court found that Ray’s station-house Miranda waiver was made knowingly,
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    voluntarily, and intelligently. 
    Id. at *5.
    As a result, the court concluded that Ray’s post-Miranda
    statements were properly admitted at trial. 
    Id. II. STANDARD
    OF REVIEW
    In determining the admissibility of statements allegedly taken in violation of a
    defendant’s Miranda rights, we review the district court’s factual findings for clear error and its
    legal conclusions de novo. Ray 
    I, 803 F.3d at 265
    . We generally defer to the district court’s
    assessments of credibility, review the evidence in the light most favorable to the district court’s
    decision, and consider the evidence in the light most favorable to the government. 
    Id. III. ANALYSIS
    Ray argues that the district court erred by concluding that the midstream Miranda
    warnings he received were effective under the multi-factor test announced in Seibert. Before
    turning to that question of law, we must first address the district court’s factual findings.
    As explained below, those findings were incomplete and placed unwarranted importance on
    minor inconsistencies in Ray’s testimony. Despite these weaknesses in the district court’s
    analysis, we uphold the court’s factual findings because they fall short of clear error.
    Nevertheless, even accepting the district court’s factual findings, we disagree with the court’s
    legal conclusions under Seibert. Ray’s station-house confession is inadmissible.
    A. The District Court’s Factual Findings Were Not Clearly Erroneous.
    Before turning to Seibert, we must assess the district court’s factual findings, which
    pervaded the rest of the court’s analysis. The court found that, “[a]t most . . . a police officer
    asked [Ray] and Lee ‘whose guns are these?’ and [Ray] individually ‘have you ever been to jail
    before?’” while at the house. Ray, 
    2016 WL 3180184
    , at *4. Ray testified that he responded by
    saying “those are my guns” and “I have been to federal prison.” 
    Id. Based on
    this “brief and
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    cursory exchange,” the court found that the Government had met its burden of admissibility
    under Seibert. 
    Id. at *4-5.
    The district court based these findings on its determination that Ray’s story was mostly
    unbelievable since it had changed over time. 
    Id. at *3
    (noting inconsistencies between Ray’s
    trial testimony and evidentiary hearing testimony as to: (1) which of six officers initially spoke to
    him; (2) whether that officer made a declarative statement that Ray and Lee were going to jail or
    asked “whose guns are these?” before threatening that Ray and Lee were going to jail; and
    (3) whether Ray immediately admitted to owning the guns or paused before doing so). From our
    vantage, these discrepancies were minor and largely irrelevant. The inconsistencies that the
    district court focused on—i.e., which officer threatened Lee, what verbiage he used, and how
    long it took Ray to respond to the threat—did not address whether the conversation actually
    occurred. See United States v. Hughes, 604 F. App’x 448, 453 (6th Cir. 2015) (critiquing district
    court for placing “unwarranted importance on relatively minor inconsistency in [defendant’s]
    testimony”).
    Even more troubling, however, is the fact that the court omitted any discussion of Cara
    Lee’s testimony. Lee testified at length, and her testimony largely corroborated Ray’s version of
    events—including significant corroboration as to receipt of threats from the officers and more in-
    depth interrogation than the officers let on. Yet in weighing the credibility of Ray’s testimony
    against the officers’ testimony, the court failed to mention Lee’s testimony at all. We do not
    know if the court found her version of events credible, not credible, or partially credible. This is
    deeply troubling, especially since our court often relies on credibility determinations based on
    the consistency of two witnesses’ accounts. See, e.g., United States v. Garrido, 
    467 F.3d 971
    ,
    979 (6th Cir. 2006) (concluding that “consistency of the two officers’ accounts” indicates that
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    their statements were credible); United States v. Simmons, 174 F. App’x 913, 917 (6th Cir. 2006)
    (finding witnesses’ testimony credible because it was “substantively consistent”).
    Finally, the circumstances of Ray’s arrest seem consistent with his (and Lee’s) version of
    events. Consider: the police raided a house; found guns and drugs inside; handcuffed the only
    two occupants and engaged in continuous conversation with them; chatted about Lee’s son, her
    employment, and, as the district court concluded, who owned the guns—but then proceeded to
    talk about nothing else but sports and the weather for an hour. It seems plausible that the police
    spoke about more than just sports and the weather and that their conversation turned to whether
    Lee might be arrested or fired, who owned the guns, who owned the drugs, and Ray’s prior
    criminal record—as Ray and Lee collectively testified. The fact that the police arrested Ray but
    not Lee buttresses his testimony that the police engaged in more fulsome interrogation and that
    he admitted to owning the shotgun and the marijuana. Otherwise, why would the police let Lee
    go free? She lived in the house, she was in the bedroom where the police found the marijuana,
    and she was present and near the shotgun behind the bedroom door, just as Ray was.
    Even considering these shortcomings in the court’s credibility determinations, we are
    hard-pressed to find them clearly erroneous. After all, we are left with a “he said, they said”
    scenario, and in cases “[w]here there are two permissible views of the evidence, the factfinder’s
    choice between them cannot be clearly erroneous.” United States v. Dillard, 
    438 F.3d 675
    , 681
    (6th Cir. 2006) (quotation omitted). This deference holds true even when the court “place[s]
    unwarranted importance on relatively minor inconsistencies in [a witness’s] testimony” and
    “[d]espite . . . weaknesses in the district court’s analysis.” Hughes, 604 F. App’x at 453; see also
    United States v. Ray, 361 F. App’x 674, 676 (6th Cir. 2010) (affirming denial of motion to
    suppress where “the only testimony that supports [defendant’s] story is his own and that of his
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    then-girlfriend[,] Tameka Brooks . . . both of which the district court found lacked credibility”).
    Accordingly, we accept the district court’s credibility determinations and factual findings.
    B. The District Court Erred as a Matter of Law by Finding Ray’s Midstream Miranda
    Warnings Effective Under Missouri v. Seibert.
    Even accepting the district court’s factual findings regarding the limited pre-Miranda
    exchange between Ray and the police while at the house, we conclude that the court erred by
    finding the later station-house Miranda warnings effective under Seibert.         De novo review
    requires our court to draw its own conclusions from the facts about whether a reasonable person
    “could have seen the station house questioning as a new and distinct experience, [and whether]
    the Miranda warnings could have made sense as presenting a genuine choice whether to follow
    up on the earlier admission.” See Ray 
    I, 803 F.3d at 272-73
    (quotation omitted); see also United
    States v. Wooten, 602 F. App’x 267, 272 (6th Cir. 2015).
    1. Ray Was Subject to Custodial Interrogation at the House, Triggering Seibert.
    Before turning to the multi-factor test from Seibert, we dispense with the Government’s
    argument that Seibert does not apply because there was no custodial interrogation at the house.
    See United States v. Courtney, 
    463 F.3d 333
    , 337 (5th Cir. 2006) (holding that, because first
    statement did not violate Miranda, Seibert did not apply); United States v. Kiam, 
    432 F.3d 524
    ,
    531 (3d Cir. 2006) (holding that Miranda warnings were not required before routine questions by
    border patrol, so Seibert was inapplicable to post-Miranda confession).
    To be sure, the district court discredited Ray’s testimony as to whether “the police
    officers’ conduct during the house search . . . amount[s] to coercion that tainted [his] later
    Mirandized statements.” Ray, 
    2016 WL 3180184
    , at *3 (assessing whether police engaged in
    coercive conduct so as to render Ray’s later confession inadmissible under Oregon v. Elstad,
    
    470 U.S. 298
    (1985)). Thus, we must accept that the police did not threaten to imprison Lee or
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    Ray if they failed to admit ownership of the guns. 
    Id. (“[T]he evidence
    does not reflect that Ray
    was subject to objectively coercive police conduct that motivated a decision to confess.”).
    But the court went on to accept the following facts: (1) that a police officer asked Ray
    and Lee “whose guns are these?”; (2) that the same officer asked Ray individually “have you
    ever been to jail before?”; and (3) that Ray responded by saying, “those are my guns” and
    “I have been to federal prison.” 
    Id. at *4;
    see also 
    id. at *1
    (“Ray says that a police officer then
    questioned him about the guns that were seized, prompting him to admit they were his.”). Even
    this brief and cursory exchange amounted to a custodial interrogation that required Miranda
    warnings. See Rhode Island v. Innis, 
    446 U.S. 291
    , 300-01 (1980) (“We conclude that the
    Miranda safeguards come into play whenever a person in custody is subject to either express
    questioning or its functional equivalent. . . . A practice that the police should know is reasonably
    likely to evoke an incriminating response from a suspect thus amounts to interrogation.”).
    For starters, there is no dispute that Ray was handcuffed at the time and, thus,
    “in custody” for Miranda purposes. See Ray 
    I, 803 F.3d at 266
    n.12 (collecting cases). And
    asking a suspect whether he had a criminal record and owned or possessed a firearm certainly
    amounts to “express questioning” that “police should know is reasonably likely to evoke an
    incriminating response.” See 
    Innis, 446 U.S. at 300-01
    ; see also United States v. Ashmore,
    609 F. App’x 306, 309-10, 317 (6th Cir. 2015) (affirming suppression of pre-Miranda statement
    “that the car might contain a revolver” in response to question, “Do you have . . . any weapons
    on you or in the car?”; “Agent Jenkins asked pre-Miranda the one compound question relevant
    to a felon-in-possession charge: is there a gun in the car and are your fingerprints on it?”).
    Unlike in Courtney, Kiam, and other cases where courts concluded that Seibert’s midstream
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    Miranda warning test did not apply—Ray was both in custody and subject to custodial
    interrogation while at the house.
    We therefore turn our attention to the multi-factor test from Seibert, bearing in mind that
    the burden of showing admissibility of a confession under that test rests on the Government—not
    Ray. Ray 
    I, 803 F.3d at 270
    (“[T]he burden of showing admissibility rests, of course, on the
    prosecution.” (quoting 
    Seibert, 542 U.S. at 608
    n.1)).
    2. The Completeness and Detail of the Questions and Answers in the First Round of
    Interrogation Suggest that the Miranda Warnings Were Ineffective.
    The first Seibert factor—which looks to “the completeness and detail of the first round of
    interrogation”—suggests that the Miranda warnings Ray ultimately received at the police station
    were ineffective. By asking Ray about his possession and ownership of the guns, as well as his
    prior stint in federal prison, the officers “asked pre-Miranda the [only] question[s] relevant to a
    felon-in-possession charge.” Ashmore, 609 F. App’x at 317. In Ashmore, as here, the initial,
    pre-Miranda questioning “was not as detailed as in Seibert.” 
    Id. Nevertheless, we
    still mandated
    suppression of the incriminating post-Miranda statements because the police asked, pre-
    Miranda, all the questions they needed to obtain a conviction. 
    Id. (“Under the
    plurality’s test, all
    of the factors suggest that Agent Jenkins’ question-first, Mirandize-later tactic requires
    suppression of the post-Miranda admission.”).
    So too, here. Even accepting the district court’s factual findings, the officers still asked
    Ray all the questions they needed to make an arrest, tailor their post-Miranda interrogation, and
    secure a conviction. Id.; see also United States v. Pacheco-Lopez, 
    531 F.3d 420
    , 422, 428
    (6th Cir. 2008) (finding first factor satisfied where initial questioning consisted of asking
    defendant’s name, where he lived, and how he arrived at the house in drug trafficking case).
    Under these circumstances, the officers’ initial questioning (and Ray’s responses) were detailed
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    and complete enough to suggest that the station-house Miranda warnings were ineffective.
    Ashmore, 609 F. App’x at 317.
    3. The Overlapping Content of the Two Statements Suggests that the
    Miranda Warnings Were Ineffective.
    The second Seibert factor—which looks to “the overlapping content of the two
    statements”—also suggests that the Miranda warnings Ray received at the police station were
    ineffective. The district court concluded that there was “minimal” overlap because Ray provided
    “extended admissions” at the police station that he did not give in his “abbreviated response[s] at
    the house.” Ray, 
    2016 WL 3180184
    , at *4. We disagree.
    At the house, Ray admitted to owning the guns and having served time in federal prison.
    During the station-house questioning, the officers followed up on those responses based on “the
    knowledge [they] gleaned during the initial questioning.” See 
    Pacheco-Lopez, 531 F.3d at 428
    (finding the second factor satisfied where officers followed up on previous questions and
    answers). As in Pacheco-Lopez, the questions regarding who owned the guns and what Ray
    knew about them were not “anomalous, which might support a finding that the warning was
    effective, but [were] the next logical question[s] based on the earlier statements.” Id.; see also
    Ashmore, 609 F. App’x at 317 (“The second . . . factor[] favor[s] suppression because the pre-
    and post-Miranda questioning was materially the same . . . .”).
    To be sure, during their post-Miranda questioning, the officers also inquired about the
    drugs they discovered while executing the search warrant. And, because we accept the district
    court’s factual findings, those would have constituted “new” questions during the second round
    of interrogation. But asking some “new” or “amplifying” questions during a post-Miranda
    interrogation does not render such a warning effective where pre-Miranda interrogation along
    similar lines already occurred.
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    In Pacheco-Lopez, for example, the officers asked questions regarding the defendant’s
    identity, where he lived, and how and when he arrived at the target residence before reading him
    his Miranda 
    rights. 531 F.3d at 420
    . Upon learning that Lopez was from Mexico and had driven
    to the home in Kentucky that week, the officers read him his Miranda rights and then began
    asking follow-up questions as to whether he had brought any cocaine to the residence. 
    Id. Technically, these
    were “new” questions as compared to the pre-Miranda interrogation, but our
    court correctly viewed them as “the next logical question[s] based on the earlier statements”—
    thus satisfying the second Seibert factor for overlapping content. 
    Id. at 428.
    Likewise, in Ashmore, the arresting officer asked the defendant if he had any guns on him
    or in his car, or if his fingerprints would be found on any weapons they discovered in the vehicle,
    all before advising him of his Miranda rights. 609 F. App’x at 308. After Ashmore responded
    that the car “probably” contained a revolver, the officer arrested him and advised him of his
    Miranda rights. 
    Id. During the
    post-Miranda interrogation, the officer continued along the same
    line by asking Ashmore if he was a convicted felon and whether he knew that he could not
    lawfully possess firearms. 
    Id. But the
    officer did not stop there; instead, he also asked Ashmore
    whether he used illegal drugs, to which Ashmore responded that he smoked crack cocaine. 
    Id. By that
    time, the officers searching the vehicle had discovered a gun and various drugs and drug
    paraphernalia in the car. 
    Id. As in
    Pacheco-Lopez, the post-Miranda interrogation involved
    some new and amplifying information. But rather than applying a hyper-technical analysis of
    whether the pre- and post-Miranda questioning and answers mirrored one another, our court
    found substantial overlap between the two and suppressed the post-Miranda statements.
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    Id. at 317
    (“Agent Jenkins picked his line of questioning up post-Miranda right where he left off
    pre-Miranda—he wanted to know what Ashmore knew about the gun . . . .”).
    Even accepting the district court’s factual findings, we find substantial overlap between
    the content of Ray’s pre- and post-Miranda statements, thus satisfying the second Seibert factor.
    Ray elaborated on his earlier admissions, but that elaboration was made possible solely because
    of the overlapping content between what he was asked pre- and post-Miranda.
    4. The Timing and Setting of the First and Second Interrogations Suggest that the
    Miranda Warnings Were Ineffective, but this Factor Presents a Close Call.
    The third Seibert factor—which looks to “the timing and setting of the first and second
    interrogations”—is a wash. The district court found that the forty-five minute interval between
    when Ray was questioned at the house and the police station, coupled with the change in
    location, were enough “to create a new and distinct experience for Ray in making the decision of
    whether or not to admit his crimes.” Ray, 
    2016 WL 3180184
    , at *4 (quotation omitted).
    Make no mistake: there was a break in the timing and setting of Ray’s two interrogations
    that exceeds the facts from Seibert (twenty minute gap in time; same location); Pacheco-Lopez
    (no gap in time; same location); and Ashmore (“second interrogation followed shortly after the
    first”; slight change in location). See 
    Seibert, 542 U.S. at 616
    (plurality opinion); Pacheco-
    
    Lopez, 531 F.3d at 427
    ; Ashmore, 609 F. App’x at 317. Ray’s first round of questioning
    occurred while he was handcuffed in the living room, with his face to the wall. Ray’s second
    round of questioning occurred roughly forty-five minutes later, in an interrogation room at the
    local police station. Ordinarily, this separation “both in time and in setting” would suggest that
    “the third Seibert factor does not weigh as strongly against a finding of effectiveness as it
    otherwise might.” See Wooten, 602 F. App’x at 274; see also Coomer v. Yukins, 
    533 F.3d 477
    ,
    491 (6th Cir. 2008) (holding that “[e]ven under the Seibert plurality’s test,” moving a suspect to
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    a police station and waiting “several hours” to resume interrogation ordinarily constitutes a
    “new and distinct experience” for Miranda purposes (quotation omitted)).
    Ray argues that, from the vantage of a reasonable person in his shoes, the same coercive
    elements survived his brief transfer from the house to the police station. In other words, Ray
    argues that a forty-five minute break in questioning involving some of the same officers and the
    same topics is no different than the twenty minute break in Seibert. He likewise argues that both
    settings were coercive because in the first, he was: (1) handcuffed; (2) being asked about a set of
    guns the officers had discovered in their house; and (3) worried about protecting his long-time
    girlfriend, with whom he shared a young son; while in the second, he was: (1) under arrest;
    (2) at a police station; (3) being asked about the same incriminating topics; (4) segregated from
    Lee; and (5) still uncertain of her status.
    Given these circumstances, we find that the timing and setting of the two interrogations
    “does not weigh as strongly against a finding of effectiveness as it otherwise might.” Wooten,
    602 F. App’x at 274. This factor cuts both ways and sheds little light on whether the station-
    house Miranda warnings were ineffective as “presenting a genuine choice whether to follow up
    on [Ray’s] earlier admission[s].” See 
    Seibert, 542 U.S. at 616
    (plurality opinion).
    5. The Continuity of Police Personnel Suggests that the Miranda Warnings Were Ineffective.
    The fourth Seibert factor—which examines “the continuity of police personnel”—
    informs that the Miranda warnings Ray received at the police station were ineffective.
    The district court determined that this factor “does not support a finding of inadmissibility”
    because Ray testified “that the police officer who threatened Lee’s arrest at the house was
    James Wiencek,” while “the interrogating police officers who questioned Ray at the police
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    station were Gregory Robson and Patrick Hill.” Ray, 
    2016 WL 3180184
    , at *4 (“Thus . . . Ray’s
    own testimony disqualifies him under this factor of the midstream Miranda test.”).
    The district court was correct in one sense but still missed the bigger picture. In this case,
    the same officers who conducted the second interrogation were intimately involved in the first.
    Officers Robson and Hill were at the house during the execution of the search warrant. They
    worked for the same law-enforcement agency and the same task force as did Officer Wiencek.
    They traversed through the living room while Lee and Ray were handcuffed and detained.
    Indeed, Robson and Hill were within hearing of most, if not all, of the conversations and
    questioning while Ray was in custody and making his pre-Miranda statements. Thus, while the
    same officer did not conduct both the pre- and post-Miranda questioning, there was at least a
    “continuity of police personnel” during both rounds of questioning. See 
    Seibert, 542 U.S. at 616
    (plurality opinion) (emphasis added).
    Contrast these facts with the Government’s case-in-support, United States v. Hernandez-
    Hernandez, 
    384 F.3d 562
    (8th Cir. 2004). There, a state trooper and Border Patrol agent took
    turns conducting the initial, pre-Miranda questioning at a traffic stop and by telephone, only to
    have an Immigration and Naturalization Service agent conduct the follow-on, post-Miranda
    questioning five days later at the INS office. 
    Id. at 563-66.
    In affirming the partial denial of the
    defendant’s motion to suppress, the Eighth Circuit took care to note that, not only had five days
    passed between the initial and subsequent questioning, but that the post-Miranda questioning
    “was conducted by an INS agent who had no involvement in the earlier questioning.” 
    Id. at 566
    (emphasis added). Thus, the court concluded, “[i]t does not appear that the trooper, Border
    Patrol, and INS used a multi-step interrogation in a calculated way to undermine the Miranda
    warning.” 
    Id. (quotation omitted).
    Here, in contrast, all of the officers involved in both steps of
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    Ray’s interrogation worked for the same police department, formed part of the same task force,
    and presumably had knowledge of Ray’s initial, unwarned statements.
    Under these circumstances, we conclude that the fourth Seibert factor was met because
    there was practical continuity of police personnel between Ray’s initial and follow-on
    interrogations.   If absolute continuity were the test, then police departments could easily
    circumvent it by having one officer conduct the pre-Miranda questioning while another officer
    listens in, only to have the second officer (or another officer with knowledge of the confession)
    conduct the follow-on, post-Miranda interrogation. That cannot be right.
    6. The Degree to Which the Interrogators’ Questions Treated the Second Round as Continuous
    with the First Suggests that the Miranda Warnings Were Ineffective.
    Finally, the fifth Seibert factor—which assesses “the degree to which the interrogators’
    questions treated the second round as continuous with the first”—suggests that the Miranda
    warnings Ray received at the police station were ineffective. The district court reasoned that this
    prong “does not indicate that Miranda warnings were ineffective” because “[t]here was no
    evidence the interrogating police officers referenced or used Ray’s prior admissions at the house
    in the interrogation at the police station.” Ray, 
    2016 WL 3180184
    , at *5.
    The record does not support the district court’s conclusion. Once they advised Ray of his
    Miranda rights, Officers Robson and Hill asked him ten questions—several of which were
    derivative of his earlier admissions, even under the district court’s factual findings regarding the
    “brief and cursory” statements Ray made at the house.
    For example, the officers did not ask Ray if he knew about the guns being in the house or
    if he possessed a gun. Instead, they asked, “[w]hich guns found in the house belong to you,”
    presumably because they knew Ray already admitted to owning at least one of the guns.
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    (Dist. Ct. Doc. 114-1, PageID 1374). Ray clarified that he owned only the shotgun found in the
    upstairs bedroom.
    Likewise, the officers did not ask Ray general questions regarding past run-ins with the
    law or whether he had a prior record. Instead, they asked him more specifically if he was “aware
    that [he] was a convicted felon”—presumably because Ray already admitted to doing time in a
    federal prison while being questioned at the house. (Id.). The officers also asked a targeted
    question concerning whether Ray was “aware that owning a firearm is against the terms of [his]
    release,” again, presumably as a follow-up to Ray’s earlier admission about doing time. (Id.).
    Those were the only questions the officers asked about the guns or Ray’s status as a
    convicted felon. (Id.). This lack of questioning suggests that the officers had very little work to
    do at the post-Miranda interrogation because they were just following up on Ray’s prior
    admissions. As in Ashmore, the officers “picked [their] line of questioning up post-Miranda
    right where [they] left off pre-Miranda—[they] wanted to know what [Ray] knew about the
    gun[s] that, by that time, had been found.” 609 F. App’x at 317. This suggests that “the
    Miranda warnings did not effectively advise [Ray] that he had a real choice about giving an
    admissible statement because the unwarned and warned interrogations blended into one
    continuum.” 
    Id. (quotation omitted);
    see also Pacheco-
    Lopez, 531 F.3d at 427
    -28 (finding the
    fifth factor satisfied where interrogations seemed “continuous” and “part of one sequence”).
    In summary, the first, second, fourth, and fifth factors identified by the Seibert plurality
    all show that “a reasonable person in [Ray’s] shoes could [not] have seen the station house
    questioning as a new and distinct experience,” while the third factor does not illuminate the
    inquiry. See 
    Seibert, 542 U.S. at 615
    (plurality opinion). Under the totality of the circumstances,
    “[i]t would have been reasonable to regard the two sessions as parts of a continuum, in which it
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    would have been unnatural to refuse to repeat at the second stage what had been said before.”
    See 
    id. at 617.
    All told, “the Miranda warnings could [not] have made sense as presenting a genuine
    choice whether to follow up on [Ray’s] earlier admission[s],” and suppression of his post-
    Miranda statements is required. See 
    id. at 615-16;
    see also 
    Pacheco-Lopez, 531 F.3d at 428
    (“All five factors—and particularly factors three, four, and five—demonstrate that the Miranda
    warning was ineffective. As a result, Lopez’s admission must be suppressed under Seibert’s
    effectiveness test.”).
    Because we find that Ray’s station-house Miranda warnings were ineffective, we need
    not determine whether his Miranda waiver was made knowingly, voluntarily, and intelligently.
    
    Seibert, 542 U.S. at 612
    n.4 (plurality opinion) (describing how a defendant cannot “waive” his
    Miranda rights if the underlying warning was ineffective); 
    Pacheco-Lopez, 531 F.3d at 428
    n.13
    (“As 
    discussed supra
    , the Seibert plurality explained that where a warning is ineffective, the
    defendant cannot waive his rights.” (citing 
    Seibert, 542 U.S. at 612
    (plurality opinion))).
    IV. CONCLUSION
    For these reasons, we reverse the district court’s decision on remand; order the
    suppression of Ray’s post-Miranda statements at the police station; and remand the case for a
    new trial consistent with this opinion.
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