Leanne Walters v. Richard Snyder ( 2022 )


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    Pursuant to Sixth Circuit I.O.P. 32.1(b)
    File Name: 22a0236p.06
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE SIXTH CIRCUIT
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    IN RE: FLINT WATER CASES.
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    LEE-ANNE WALTERS, et al.,                                │
    Plaintiffs,    │
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    E.S.; A.T.; R.V.; D.W.,                                   >      Nos. 22-1353/1355/1357/1358/1360
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    Plaintiffs-Appellees,
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    v.                                                │
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    RICHARD DALE SNYDER (22-1353); DARNELL                   │
    EARLEY (22-1355); RICHARD BAIRD (22-1357);               │
    HOWARD D. CROFT (22-1358); GERALD AMBROSE                │
    (22-1360),                                               │
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    Defendants-Appellants,            │
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    VEOLIA NORTH AMERICA, LLC; VEOLIA NORTH                  │
    AMERICA, INC.; VEOLIA WATER NORTH AMERICA                │
    OPERATING SERVICES, LLC; LOCKWOOD, ANDREWS               │
    & NEWMAN, P.C.; LOCKWOOD, ANDREWS &                      │
    NEWMAN, INC.; LEO A. DALY COMPANY,                       │
    Defendants-Appellees.          │
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    Appeal from the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan at Ann Arbor.
    No. 5:17-cv-10164—Judith E. Levy, District Judge.
    Argued: July 28, 2022
    Decided and Filed: November 8, 2022
    Before: MOORE, GRIFFIN, and THAPAR, Circuit Judges.
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    _________________
    COUNSEL
    ARGUED: Charles R. Quigg, WARNER NORCROSS + JUDD, LLP, Grand Rapids,
    Michigan, for Appellant Richard Snyder. Juan A. Mateo, Detroit, Michigan, for Appellant
    Darnell Earley. Sarissa K. Montague, LEVINE & LEVINE, Kalamazoo, Michigan, for
    Appellant Richard Baird. Alexander S. Rusek, RUSEK LAW PLLC, Lansing, Michigan, for
    Appellant Howard D. Croft. William W. Swor, WILLIAM W. SWOR, Detroit, Michigan, for
    Appellant Gerald Ambrose. Minh Nguyen-Dang, MAYER BROWN LLP, Washington, D.C.,
    for Veolia Appellees. S. Vance Wittie, FAEGRE DRINKER BIDDLE & REATH, LLP, Dallas,
    Texas, for Appellees Lockwood, Andrews and Newman, Inc. and Leo A. Daly Company.
    ON BRIEF: Charles R. Quigg, Brian P. Lennon, Gaëtan E. Gerville-Réache, WARNER
    NORCROSS + JUDD, LLP, Grand Rapids, Michigan, for Appellant Richard Snyder. Juan A.
    Mateo, Gerald K. Evelyn, T. Santino Mateo, Detroit, Michigan, for Appellant Darnell Earley.
    Sarissa K. Montague, Anastase Markou, LEVINE & LEVINE, Kalamazoo, Michigan, for
    Appellant Richard Baird. Alexander S. Rusek, RUSEK LAW PLLC, Lansing, Michigan, for
    Appellant Howard D. Croft. William W. Swor, Michael A. Rataj, WILLIAM W. SWOR,
    Detroit, Michigan, for Appellant Gerald Ambrose. Minh Nguyen-Dang, Michael E. Lackey, Jr.,
    MAYER BROWN LLP, Washington, D.C., Timothy S. Bishop, MAYER BROWN LLP,
    Chicago, Illinois, for Veolia Appellees. S. Vance Wittie, FAEGRE DRINKER BIDDLE &
    REATH, LLP, Dallas, Texas, Philip A. Erickson, PLUNKETT COONEY, Lansing, Michigan,
    for Appellees Lockwood, Andrews and Newman, Inc. and Leo A. Daly Company. Corey Stern,
    LEVY KONIGSBERG LLP, New York, New York, for Plaintiff Appellees. Stephanie
    Franxman Kessler, PINALES, STACHLER, YOUNG & BURRELL, CO., L.P.A., Cincinnati,
    Ohio, William J. Murphy, ZUCKERMAN SPAEDER LLP, Baltimore, Maryland, Bryan M.
    Reines, ZUCKERMAN SPAEDER LLP, Washington, D.C., for Amicus Curiae.
    GRIFFIN, J., announced the judgment of the court and delivered the opinion of the court
    with respect to the Introduction and Parts II, III.G., and IV, and delivered an opinion with respect
    to Parts I, III, III.A, B, C, D, E, and F. THAPAR, J. (pp. 42–56), delivered a separate opinion
    concurring in part and in the judgment. MOORE, J. (pp. 57–76), delivered a separate opinion
    concurring in part and dissenting in part.
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    OPINION
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    GRIFFIN, Circuit Judge.
    One of the fundamental liberties enshrined in the Fifth Amendment to our Constitution is
    the right not to be compelled to bear witness against oneself. The inquisitorial abuses of the Star
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    Chambers eventually led to the inclusion of this right in our Bill of Rights.1 This bedrock
    privilege originates from the maxim “nemo tenetur seipsum accusare,” that “no man is bound to
    accuse himself.”2 In the present case, the district court ordered the appellant state officials to
    testify at trial—to be witnesses against themselves—despite their invocation of their right against
    self-incrimination. According to the district court, appellants “waived”3 their right not to be
    witnesses against themselves at trial by voluntarily submitting to a discovery deposition.
    We disagree. We conclude that the district court erroneously held that testifying at a
    pretrial deposition waives invocation of the privilege at a later trial in the same civil case. In
    doing so, we hold that a Fifth Amendment waiver does not extend to trial under these
    circumstances. Thus, we vacate and remand.
    I.
    The present case is another dispute stemming from the infamous Flint Water Crisis, the
    events of which are well known and have been well documented. See, e.g., In re Flint Water
    Cases, 
    960 F.3d 303
    , 311–21 (6th Cir. 2020), and Mason v. Lockwood, Andrews & Newman,
    P.C., 
    842 F.3d 383
    , 387 (6th Cir. 2016). In short, as a cost-saving measure, public officials
    switched Flint’s municipal water supply from the Detroit Water and Sewage Department to the
    Flint River, reviving the previously dormant Flint Water Treatment Plant. Flint residents began
    receiving water from the Flint River on April 25, 2014, and residents began complaining of
    water that looked, tasted, and smelled foul within weeks. Other severe problems emerged,
    including evidence of E. coli contamination in the water, a localized outbreak of Legionnaires’
    disease, and a dangerously high lead poisoning rate in children. Without proper corrosion-
    control treatment, lead leached from the aging pipes in Flint’s water system into the water. With
    a public-health disaster mounting, Flint reconnected to its original water sources in October
    1
    See generally 8 J. Wigmore, Evidence in Trials at Common Law § 2250, 267–95 (J. McNaughton rev.
    1961).
    2
    Cong. Rsch. Serv., No. 112-9, The Constitution of the United States of America: Analysis and
    Interpretation (Centennial Edition) 1484–85 (2012).
    3
    A “waiver” is generally an “intentional relinquishment or abandonment of a known right or privilege.”
    Johnson v. Zerbst, 
    304 U.S. 458
    , 464 (1938). More precisely, the district court is relying upon the doctrine of
    forfeiture. See infra n.16.
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    2015. As we have described elsewhere, the crisis was both predictable and preventable. See
    Guertin v. State, 
    912 F.3d 907
    , 915 (6th Cir. 2019).
    Both criminal and civil proceedings began shortly thereafter. On the civil side, a host of
    litigants filed suit, alleging injury from Flint’s contaminated drinking water. This includes
    plaintiffs here—four minor children who lived in Flint and suffered lead poisoning, brain
    damage, and other injuries after being exposed to lead-contaminated water. The plaintiffs sued
    two groups of defendants: “governmental defendants,” i.e., public officials and entities who they
    alleged were responsible for the decisions that created the crisis, and “engineering defendants,”
    i.e., those firms who were allegedly responsible for administering the Flint Water Plant, using the
    river as a source for drinking water, and evaluating the system for public safety. Among those
    named as governmental defendants were former Michigan Governor Richard Snyder, former
    City of Flint Emergency Managers Gerald Ambrose and Darnell Earley, and former Flint
    Director of Public Works Howard Croft (“appellants” collectively4), and named as engineering
    defendants were Veolia North America (“Veolia”5) and Lockwood, Andrews, and Newman, P.C.
    (“Lockwood”; “appellees” collectively).
    The pending cases were largely consolidated in the Eastern District of Michigan. The
    district court created a bellwether trial process to manage the litigation—the first was to begin in
    June 2021 (though it did not actually begin until February 2022), with additional trials following
    in October 2023 and January 2024. It also established a coordinated discovery process, the
    purpose of which was to “limit duplication in the discovery processes.” As it pertained to the
    coordinated depositions, the district court allowed the plaintiffs to depose witnesses (including
    the governmental defendants) only once in anticipation of the pending trials.
    The criminal process was also underway during this period. In 2016, Michigan’s then-
    Attorney General, Bill Schuette, appointed a Special Prosecutor for criminal investigations
    related to the Flint Water Crisis. See Sherrod, Teed, Vanderhagen and Ware v. VNA, No. 5:17-
    4
    Snyder’s former adviser Richard Baird was not named as a defendant, but is an appellant here because he
    too received a subpoena to testify and now seeks to invoke his privilege against self-incrimination.
    5
    Veolia North America consists of Veolia North America, LLC, Veolia North America, Inc., and Veolia
    Water North America Operating Services, LLC. We refer to it in the singular for ease of reference.
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    cv-10164-JEL-KGA, 
    2022 WL 834009
    , at *1 (E.D. Mich, March 21, 2022). Ambrose, Earley,
    and Croft, but not Snyder or Baird, were later indicted on several charges connected to the crisis.
    But things changed after the 2018 election. Michigan’s new Attorney General, Dana Nessel,
    appointed a new Solicitor General and assigned lead of the criminal investigations to her.
    Shortly thereafter, all pending criminal charges, including those against Ambrose, Earley, and
    Croft, were dismissed without prejudice. The Solicitor General had “immediate and grave
    concerns about the investigative approach” taken by the Special Prosecutor and his office, citing
    alleged links between the investigators and the private law firms representing government
    agencies and individuals, including Snyder. She announced that her team would identify and
    pursue “additional individuals of interest” related to the crisis.
    In September 2019, Earley, Ambrose, and Croft moved for a protective order in the civil
    litigation after their initial criminal charges were dismissed but prior to sitting for any
    depositions. They contended that the district court should delay any depositions or written
    discovery orders pertaining to them until the applicable criminal statute of limitations expired in
    May 2020 or, alternatively, seal the deposition transcripts and other written discovery. The
    district court denied the motion, noting that the three were not currently under indictment and
    that the plaintiffs, district court, and public at large had an interest in proceeding expeditiously.
    See In re Flint Water Cases, No. 5:16-cv-10444, 
    2019 WL 5802706
    , at *2–3 (E.D. Mich. Nov. 7,
    2019).
    Thereafter, each of the appellants voluntarily sat for a deposition between May and
    September of 2020. Each appellant was represented by counsel at his deposition, but none
    invoked the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination. Sherrod, Teed, Vanderhagen
    & Ware, 
    2022 WL 834009
    , at *2. Instead, each was examined at great length about his
    knowledge of and role in the Flint Water Crisis, and each answered the questions posed to him.
    Ambrose, Earley, and Croft later acknowledged that, at the time of those depositions, they
    believed that they were likely to face criminal charges again in the future. Snyder and Baird,
    though, asserted that they had “no reason to think” that they would face criminal charges, having
    not previously been indicted.
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    However, criminal investigations into their conduct were progressing. In December
    2019, the Michigan Attorney General requested the appointment of a one-man grand jury as
    allowed under Michigan law, and a Genesee County Circuit Court Judge was appointed to act as
    the jury. See People v. Peeler, ___ N.W.2d ___; 
    2022 WL 2335397
    , at *4 (Mich. 2022).
    Throughout 2020, the grand jury conducted confidential investigations, and it issued sealed
    indictments of each appellant. In March and September of 2020, Earley was indicted on three
    counts of felony misconduct in office, and Ambrose was indicted on four counts of felony
    misconduct in office. On January 8, 2021, indictments were issued against the other three
    appellants. Snyder was indicted on two misdemeanor counts of willful neglect of duty. Baird
    was indicted on four felony counts: perjury during an investigative subpoena, misconduct in
    office, obstruction of justice, and extortion. Croft was indicted on two misdemeanor counts of
    willful neglect of duty. These charges were finally unsealed and announced on January 14,
    2021. See Dep’t of the Attorney General, Press Release: Nine Indicted on Criminal Charges in
    Flint Water Crisis Investigation, January 14, 2021.6
    Back on the civil side, the governmental defendants reached a settlement agreement with
    plaintiffs in November 2020. That agreement was preliminarily approved by the district court in
    November 2021. In re Flint Water Cases, 
    571 F. Supp. 3d 746
     (E.D. Mich. 2021). As a result,
    Snyder, Ambrose, Earley, and Croft, along with other state and municipal individuals or entities,
    became non-parties to this civil case. 
    Id.
     at 757 & n.3.
    Veolia and Lockwood, though, continued to actively litigate their liability, seemingly
    planning to pin much of the blame on appellants and other public officials at trial. They served
    notices of non-parties at fault, asserting that various federal, state, and local officials, including
    appellants, were responsible for plaintiffs’ injuries. Veolia then served subpoenas on appellants,
    calling them to testify at the forthcoming first bellwether trial. Appellants moved to quash the
    subpoenas, contending that they could, and would, invoke their Fifth Amendment privilege
    against self-incrimination. They asserted that the act of answering questions at their depositions
    did not waive the privilege at trial, that they were entitled to a blanket invocation of the privilege,
    6
    Available at: https://www.michigan.gov/ag/news/press-releases/2021/01/14/nine-indicted-on-criminal-
    charges-in-flint-water-crisis-investigation (last visited Nov. 2, 2022).
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    and that the district court should quash the subpoenas rather than evaluate the privilege on a
    question-by-question basis.
    The district court, however, denied the motions, concluding that appellants had waived
    the privilege at trial by testifying at their depositions. Sherrod, Teed, Vanderhagen & Ware,
    
    2022 WL 834009
    , at *1. The court initially recognized that, “[b]ecause movants are under
    criminal indictment for the very conduct at issue in this civil case, there is no question that they
    would ordinarily be entitled to their silence.” Id. at *3. However, they were not entitled to that
    silence here because, when a witness testifies, that person waives the privilege as to the subject
    matter of their testimony for the remainder of the “proceeding” in which he or she testifies. Id. at
    *3–4. It reasoned that a “proceeding” generally means a lawsuit from its beginning to end;
    consequently, a deposition is part of the same “proceeding” as the civil trial for which it was
    taken. Id. at *4–5. As appellants were thus not entitled to invoke their privilege, the district
    court set a hearing to determine the scope of their waivers. Id. at *6–7.
    But that hearing, held on March 25, 2022, did not resolve the scope of the waiver. Prior
    to the hearing, Veolia and Lockwood submitted outlines on topics that they intended to ask
    appellants; those topics largely overlapped with those covered in their depositions. However,
    appellants informed the district court that they would still invoke their Fifth Amendment
    privilege at trial and would not testify, notwithstanding the court’s order to the contrary. They
    further noted their desire for “the Sixth Circuit to look at this” before the parties proceeded.
    Therefore, while the court began the hearing by discussing the scope of the waivers, the hearing
    soon transformed into, as the district court characterized it, “an oral argument for an
    interlocutory appeal.” Appellants then moved the district court to certify such an appeal under
    
    28 U.S.C. § 1292
    (b). Neither Veolia nor Lockwood opposed the motion.
    The district court granted the motion and certified the issue for appeal. Sherrod, Teed,
    Vanderhagen & Ware v. VNA, No. 5:17-cv-10164-JEL-KGA, 
    2022 WL 997261
    , at *2 (E.D.
    Mich. Apr. 1, 2022). In doing so, it noted that “denying interlocutory appeal and requiring the
    movants to be held in contempt of court would result in substantial delays in the ongoing
    bellwether trial, after which the issue would still reach the Sixth Circuit through an appeal as of
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    right.” 
    Id.
     at *2 n.1. We took the appeal on an expedited schedule. See In re Richard Dale
    Snyder, No. 22-0104 (6th Cir. April 26, 2022) (order).
    Meanwhile, the civil trial progressed. As expected, each appellant was called to testify,
    and each invoked his respective Fifth Amendment privilege. See Ron Fonger, Snyder can refuse
    to answer Flint water questions but only in front of jury, MLive.com, June 14, 2022.7 Despite its
    order to the contrary, the district court allowed each appellant to do so, playing the video of
    each’s deposition instead. See Paul Egan, Jurors in Flint water trial watch Snyder’s 2020 video
    testimony: What he said, Detroit Free Press, June 29, 2022.8 The case was submitted to the jury
    on July 21, 2022, before we held oral argument on July 28, 2022. After deliberating for three
    weeks, the jury informed the court that it could “not come to a unanimous decision” and that
    “[f]urther deliberations will only result in stress and anxiety with no unanimous decision without
    someone having to surrender their honest convictions, solely for the purpose of returning a
    verdict.” After conferring with the parties, the district court declared a mistrial. The district
    court has since rescheduled that trial to begin on February 22, 2023.
    In one final twist on the criminal side, the Michigan Supreme Court decided People v.
    Peeler on June 28, 2022. As part of that case, Nicholas Lyons, another defendant charged in
    connection to the Flint Water Crisis, challenged Michigan’s one-man grand jury statute, 
    Mich. Comp. Laws § 767.4
    . See 
    2022 WL 2335397
     at *7 & n.2. The Michigan Supreme Court held
    that the statute did not authorize a one-man grand jury to issue indictments. See 
    id.
     at *7–10.
    After that opinion was released, appellants announced that they would seek dismissal of all
    criminal charges against them because the same one-man grand jury had charged them. See Beth
    LeBlanc, Snyder wants Flint charges dropped after high court nixes one-judge grand jury
    indictments, Detroit News, June 28, 2022.9 In response, the Solicitor General publicly reiterated
    her belief that the “charges can and will be proven in court,” and that her team was both
    7
    Available     at:     https://www mlive.com/news/flint/2022/06/snyder-can-refuse-to-answer-flint-water-
    questions-but-only-in-front-of-jury.html (last visited Nov. 2, 2022).
    8
    Available at: https://www freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2022/06/29/rick-snyder-
    deposition-testimony-flint-water-lead-civil-trial/7764878001/ (last visited Nov. 2, 2022).
    9
    Available at: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2022/06/28/michigan-cant-use-
    one-judge-grand-jury-indict-flint-water-case-justices-rule/7710896001/ (last visited Nov. 2, 2022).
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    “prepared to move forward” and “committed to seeing this process through to its conclusion.”
    SG Hammoud Responds to MSC Ruling in Flint Criminal Cases, Michigan Department of
    Attorney General, June 28, 2022.10 The Genesee Circuit Court has since dismissed the charges
    against Baird, Ambrose, and Earley, among others, for the reasons stated in Peeler. Beth
    LeBlanc, Judge tosses charges against 7 state officials in Flint water crisis, Detroit News,
    October 4, 2022.11 The Solicitor General and her prosecution team released a statement shortly
    thereafter expressing their “anger and disappointment” at the ruling and reaffirming their
    commitment to “exhaust all available legal options” in their “pursuit of justice for Flint,”
    including appealing that dismissal.          Flint Criminal Prosecution Issues Statement, Michigan
    Department of Attorney General, October 4, 2022.12; Flint Water Prosecution Team Announces
    Intent to Appeal, Michigan Department of Attorney General, October 25, 2022.13
    This brings the case to its current posture.
    II.
    Before turning to the merits, we must first assure ourselves of jurisdiction. We “have an
    independent obligation to determine whether subject-matter jurisdiction exists, even in the
    absence of a challenge from any party.” Arbaugh v. Y & H Corp., 
    546 U.S. 500
    , 514 (2006).
    Given that appellants did not testify at the underlying trial and the case was submitted to the jury,
    the specter of mootness has arisen. Indeed, following oral argument, we requested supplemental
    briefing from the parties on whether the case was moot. On this discrete issue, appellants and
    appellees are in accord—the case is not moot. We agree.
    “Article III of the Constitution grants the Judicial Branch authority to adjudicate ‘Cases’
    and ‘Controversies.’” Already, LLC v. Nike, Inc., 
    568 U.S. 85
    , 90 (2013). This actual-case-and-
    10
    Available at: https://www.michigan.gov/ag/news/press-releases/2022/06/28/sg-hammoud-responds-to-
    msc-ruling-in-flint-criminal-cases (last visited Nov. 2, 2022).
    11
    Available      at:     https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/michigan/2022/10/04/judge-tosses-
    charges-against-7-state-officials-in-flint-water-crisis/69539145007/ (last visited Nov. 2, 2022).
    12
    Available at: https://www.michigan.gov/ag/news/press-releases/2022/10/04/flint-criminal-prosecution-
    issues-statement (last visited Nov. 2, 2022).
    13
    Available at: https://www.michigan.gov/ag/news/press-releases/2022/10/25/flint-water-prosecution-
    team-announces-intent-to-appeal (last visited Nov. 2, 2022).
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    controversy requirement applies not only at the time the complaint is filed, “but through all
    stages of the litigation.” 
    Id.
     at 90–91 (quotation marks and citation omitted). A dispute no
    longer presents a live case or controversy when it becomes moot, i.e., “when the issues presented
    are no longer ‘live’ or the parties lack a legally cognizable interest in the outcome.” 
    Id. at 91
    (citation omitted). “Ultimately, the ‘test for mootness is whether the relief sought would, if
    granted, make a difference to the legal interests of the parties.’” Sullivan v. Benningfield,
    
    920 F.3d 401
    , 410 (6th Cir. 2019) (quoting McPherson v. Mich. High Sch. Athletic Ass’n, Inc.,
    
    119 F.3d 453
    , 458 (6th Cir. 1997) (en banc)).
    Neither party contends that the original, underlying controversy is still “live” in its own
    right. Indeed, it is impossible for appellants to be called to testify in the underlying trial because
    that trial has ended. Yet we recognize an exception to the mootness doctrine for controversies
    that are “capable of repetition, yet evading review.” See Chirco v. Gateway Oaks, L.L.C.,
    
    384 F.3d 307
    , 309 (6th Cir. 2004). This doctrine applies “only in exceptional situations, and
    generally only where the named plaintiff can make a reasonable showing that he will again be
    subjected to the alleged illegality.” City of Los Angeles v. Lyons, 
    461 U.S. 95
    , 109 (1983). Both
    appellants and appellees contend that this exception applies because appellants will be called to
    testify at the forthcoming (and already scheduled) trials and the time frame for appealing any
    motions to quash in these trials would be too short for an appeal to be fully litigated.
    Beginning with the “capable of repetition” requirement, a dispute is so capable if “there
    is a reasonable expectation that the same complaining party will be subject to the same action
    again.”     Davis v. Fed. Election Comm’n, 
    554 U.S. 724
    , 735 (2008) (citation omitted).
    “Recurrence of the issue need not be more probable than not; instead, the controversy must be
    capable of repetition.” Barry v. Lyon, 
    834 F.3d 706
    , 715 (6th Cir. 2016). When, as here, the
    dispute is between two private parties, “the complaining party must show a reasonable
    expectation that he would again be subjected to the same action by the same defendant.” Chirco,
    
    384 F.3d at 309
    . Here, this requirement is comfortably satisfied. Future trials are already
    scheduled: a retrial is scheduled to begin in February 2023, along with a class action trial in
    October 2023 and another bellwether trial in January 2024. These trials will involve both Veolia
    and Lockwood as defendants. Both have repeatedly affirmed their “almost certain[]” intention to
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    subpoena appellants to testify again: they contend that appellants were “key officials” involved
    in the Flint Water Crisis and “their testimony will be critical to many of the key issues at each
    trial.” Appellees’ Joint Supplemental Brief on Mootness, App. R. 55 at 8. Thus, it is not only
    possible but probable that the dispute will recur. Cf. Barry, 834 F.3d at 715. Such a dispute will
    also involve the same parties because appellees are the parties calling appellants to testify. That
    there will be different plaintiffs in the other trials is immaterial as this dispute is between
    appellants and appellees, not the plaintiffs.
    The “evading review” prong is the crux of our mootness dispute. A dispute evades
    review when “the challenged action is in its duration too short to be fully litigated prior to
    cessation or expiration.” Davis, 
    554 U.S. at 735
    . An action is too short if it is impossible “to
    obtain complete judicial review,” including “plenary review” by the Supreme Court. First Nat’l
    Bank of Boston v. Bellotti, 435 U.S.765, 774 (1978).            See also Shell Offshore, Inc. v.
    Greenpeace, Inc., 
    709 F.3d 1281
    , 1287 (9th Cir. 2013) (“An action is ‘fully litigated’ if it is
    reviewed by this Court and the Supreme Court.”). As to what time frame is “too short” to obtain
    full review, the Supreme Court has held that periods of twelve months, Turner v. Rogers, 
    564 U.S. 431
    , 440 (2011), eighteen months, First Nat’l Bank, 435 U.S. at 774, and even two years,
    Kingdomware Techs., Inc. v. United States, 
    579 U.S. 162
    , 170 (2016), are too short to obtain
    complete review.
    The time frame here—an appeal of a motion to quash trial subpoenas—is far too short for
    the parties to obtain complete review. In this case, appellees issued their trial subpoenas in the
    month before trial began in February 2022. The case was submitted to the jury on July 21, 2022,
    and a mistrial was declared on August 11, 2022, about six months after trial began. Appellees
    further note the time frame for issuing subpoenas is after the district court determines the
    genuine issues of material fact for trial, and they assert that this normally occurs in the six
    months preceding trial. In either circumstance (subpoenas issued within one month or six
    months of the beginning of trial), the Supreme Court would not have a full two years to consider
    the case. Cf. Kingdomware, 579 U.S. at 170. But even if appellees had issued their trial
    subpoenas immediately after oral argument in this appeal, as was suggested during argument,
    that still would not provide enough time. The retrial is scheduled to begin in February 2023; if it
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    follows the same time frame as the first trial, it will conclude by August of 2023—less than a
    year from now. The next class action trial is then slated to begin in October 2023 and conclude
    by January 2024 (when the next bellwether must begin)—providing at most eighteen months
    before that trial would conclude. Both instances are “‘in [their] duration too short to be fully
    litigated’” and arrive at the Supreme Court “prior to [the subpoena’s] ‘expiration.’” Turner,
    
    564 U.S. at 440
     (quoting First Nat’l Bank, 435 U.S. at 774.). Thus, the dispute would still evade
    review in those future cases.14
    But what about diligence? Though we have not established the exact role diligence plays
    in the mootness analysis, we have recognized that a case may be moot if the complaining party
    does not act with diligence or expeditiousness. See United States v. Taylor, 
    8 F.3d 1074
    , 1076–
    77 (6th Cir. 1993) (noting the case did not evade review because the defendants could have
    “petitioned this court for a stay” or “refused to comply with the [underlying] order”); United
    States v. Cleveland Elec. Illuminating Co., 
    689 F.2d 66
    , 68 (6th Cir. 1982) (“Moreover, [the
    appellant] could have refused to comply with the order, thereby risking civil contempt but
    preserving the issues for appellate review.”). Other circuits similarly recognize that a litigant
    cannot claim a case evades review “when he himself has delayed its disposition.” Armstrong v.
    F.A.A., 
    515 F.3d 1294
    , 1296 (D.C. Cir. 2008). See also Empower Texans, Inc. v. Geren,
    
    977 F.3d 367
    , 371–72 (5th Cir. 2020). In practice, this means that circuits appear to agree that
    parties who “could have but did not file for a stay” cannot claim the “evading review” exception.
    Armstrong, 
    515 F.3d at 1297
    . See also 
    id.
     (collecting cases). On the other hand, the circuits are
    in less agreement about requests for expedited appeal—some have deemed it relevant, while
    others have not. Compare Empower Texans, 977 F.3d at 372 (“Crucially, [the appellant] never
    asked this court to expedite its appeal.”), with Ralls Corp. v. Comm. on Foreign Inv. in U.S., 
    758 F.3d 296
    , 321–322 (D.C. Cir. 2014) (“In addressing whether a matter can be fully litigated, we
    do not consider the availability of expedited review.”).
    14
    Neither Peeler nor its aftermath change our conclusion. While the indictments against Baird, Ambrose,
    and Earley have been dismissed, the Solicitor General has nonetheless vowed “to exhaust all available legal options”
    in continuing its prosecution of all appellants. Flint Criminal Prosecution Issues Statement, Michigan Department
    of Attorney General, October 4, 2022, available at: https://www michigan.gov/ag/news/press-
    releases/2022/10/04/flint-criminal-prosecution-issues-statement (last visited Nov. 2, 2022). The manifest possibility
    of criminal charges remains, and, indeed, the prosecution team has since announced their intention to appeal the
    dismissal to the Michigan Court of Appeals. Therefore, those developments, by themselves, do not moot this case.
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    We have ample reason to conclude that the parties here acted with diligence. Appellants
    received their trial subpoenas shortly before trial began, and they moved to quash those
    subpoenas shortly thereafter. When the district court denied those motions, appellants requested
    an interlocutory appeal and informed the district court that they would risk contempt by not
    complying with the order. We view these steps favorably. See Taylor, 
    8 F.3d at
    1076–77;
    Cleveland Elec. Illuminating Co., 
    689 F.2d at 68
    . Within days of the district court granting leave
    to appeal, appellants filed their petitions in this Court and requested an expedited briefing
    schedule. All in all, briefing concluded less than two months after the district court initially
    denied the motions to quash. This is a far cry from cases like Empower Texans where the
    complaining party took months to initiate an action and delayed filing its notice of appeal. See
    977 F.3d at 372. And on appeal, the case was set for the first available argument; appellees then
    requested an even quicker oral argument schedule or, alternatively, dispensing with argument
    entirely. Though we held argument as originally scheduled, that was not due to the parties’ lack
    of diligence.15 Regardless of whether appellants needed to seek and obtain expedited review on
    appeal, compare Empower Texans, 977 F.3d at 372, with Ralls Corp., 758 F.3d at 321–322, they
    did so. In sum, appellants acted diligently, and they have not delayed our disposition of this
    case.
    But what about a stay? In Taylor, we concluded the case was moot because the parties
    could have but failed to seek a stay of the underlying order. See 
    8 F.3d at
    1076–77. At least one
    other circuit has held similarly when a party fails to request a stay. See Armstrong, 
    515 F.3d at 1297
    . It is undisputed that no party sought a stay of the order denying the motions to quash. But
    we conclude that, under the unique and extraordinary circumstances presented here, appellants’
    failure to seek such a stay does not moot this case. Appellants would have needed to seek a stay
    of the motion to quash, not the trial. See Fed. R. App. P. 8(a)(1)(A) (“A party must ordinarily
    move . . . for . . . a stay of the judgment or order of a district court pending appeal.”). But such a
    course was wholly unnecessary when the district court functionally stayed the order on its own.
    The order never went into practical effect because the district court did not require appellants to
    15
    Given that oral argument was held as scheduled, appellees’ motion to expedite the appeal, or
    alternatively, to dispense with oral argument is denied as moot.
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    testify at trial. The purpose of a stay is “to maintain the status quo” pending appellate review of
    the dispute. Gilley v. United States, 
    649 F.2d 449
    , 453 (6th Cir. 1981). When the district court
    did not enforce its own order and did not require appellants to testify, it naturally and sua sponte
    preserved the status quo pending appeal.          Because of this, the district court’s actions
    accomplished the purpose of a stay, rendering a motion for a stay unnecessary.
    This conclusion is in accord with both Taylor and other circuits’ caselaw. The thrust of
    the stay requirement is to prevent parties from allowing a challenged order go into effect and
    complying with it while simultaneously complaining about that order on appeal. When the
    complaining party allows the challenged order to run its natural course without complaint,
    knowing that the dispute will no longer be live once the order expires, that party disregards the
    need for diligence. See Taylor, 
    8 F.3d at
    1076–77 (noting the parties complied with the district
    court’s order instead of seeking a stay or refusing to comply with the order); Empower Texans,
    977 F.3d at 371 (“Here, there was no order to be stayed, but the relevant point is that a litigant
    must use the available tools.”). But in this case, appellants contested the order. At the March 25
    hearing, appellants informed the district court they would not comply with the court’s ruling and
    would instead risk contempt proceedings; that the district court did not so hold them in contempt
    is not their fault. When the parties continued to contest a particular order, and the district court
    both functionally stayed that order on its own and permitted an interlocutory appeal, a
    complaining party’s failure to pursue an unnecessary stay does not render the dispute moot.
    For those reasons, we hold that this case is not moot because its “exceptional situations”
    render the dispute “capable of repetition, yet evading review.” Kingdomware Techs., 579 U.S. at
    170.
    III.
    The merits of this appeal require us to confront an issue of first impression: whether a
    witness waives his privilege against self-incrimination for purposes of trial by testifying at a
    deposition in the same civil case. Appellants argue that the district court erred in holding that
    they could not assert their Fifth Amendment privilege at trial. We agree.
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    A.
    Our caselaw does not set forth a uniform standard of review when addressing Fifth
    Amendment privilege cases. On occasion, we have described the privilege as raising “a mixed
    question of law and fact;” thus, “we examine the district court’s factual determinations for clear
    error and its conclusions of law and applications of law to facts de novo.” United States v. B &
    D Vending, Inc., 
    398 F.3d 728
    , 733 (6th Cir. 2004) (citing United States v. Grable, 
    98 F.3d 251
    ,
    253 (6th Cir. 1996)). At other times, we have stated that we “review the assertion of a Fifth
    Amendment privilege against self-incrimination and its grant or denial for abuse of discretion.”
    United States v. Boothe, 
    335 F.3d 522
    , 525 (6th Cir. 2003) (citing United States v. Mack, 
    159 F.3d 208
    , 217 (6th Cir. 1998)).
    Nevertheless, these standards of review are not inconsistent. As recognized in other
    evidentiary contexts, decisions reviewed under an abuse-of-discretion standard are “not
    inconsistent with an appellate court’s abiding duty to review questions of law de novo or
    questions of fact for clear error,” United States v. Gibbs, 
    797 F.3d 416
    , 421 (6th Cir. 2015)
    (citation and brackets omitted), because an error of law necessarily constitutes an abuse of
    discretion, Griffith v. Comm’r of Soc. Security, 
    987 F.3d 556
    , 563 (6th Cir. 2021). This case
    turns on questions of law: whether the two events are separate proceedings and, consequently,
    whether appellants waived their privilege at trial. Therefore, a de novo standard of review is
    appropriate here.
    B.
    We begin with the guiding principles of the privilege against self-incrimination. The
    Fifth Amendment provides that “[n]o person . . . shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a
    witness against himself.”    U.S. Const. amend. V.      Under this “essential mainstay” of our
    “accusatorial, not inquisitorial” system of prosecution, the government is “constitutionally
    compelled to establish guilt by evidence independently and freely secured, and [it] may not by
    coercion prove a charge against an accused out of his own mouth.” Malloy v. Hogan, 
    378 U.S. 1
    , 7–8 (1964). It applies to both civil and criminal proceedings, and it protects parties and non-
    party witnesses alike. McCarthy v. Arndstein, 
    266 U.S. 34
    , 40 (1924). The privilege against
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    self-incrimination afforded by the Amendment “must be accorded liberal construction in favor of
    the right it was intended to secure.” Hoffman v. United States, 
    341 U.S. 479
    , 486 (1951). See
    also Estelle v. Smith, 
    451 U.S. 454
    , 467–68 (1981) (“The Fifth Amendment privilege is ‘as broad
    as the mischief against which it seeks to guard,’ and the privilege is fulfilled only when a
    criminal defendant is guaranteed the right ‘to remain silent unless he chooses to speak in the
    unfettered exercise of his own will, and to suffer no penalty . . . for such silence.’” (citations
    omitted)).
    This privilege is not unlimited, for a witness may lose its protection by disclosing
    information. A witness must claim the privilege to enjoy its protections, Rogers v. United States,
    
    340 U.S. 367
    , 370–71 (1951), and he or she “may not testify voluntarily about a subject and then
    invoke the privilege against self-incrimination when questioned about the details.” Mitchell v.
    United States, 
    526 U.S. 314
    , 321 (1999). When the witness testifies, “[t]he privilege is waived
    for the matters to which the witness testifies.” 
    Id.
     The reasons for such a “waiver” rule are
    straightforward: the rule rests primarily “on the need to avoid leaving the trier of fact with the
    limited version of the relevant information that would be before it if a witness was able to pick at
    will the point at which to invoke the privilege.” 1 McCormick on Evid., § 133 (8th Ed. July
    2022 Update).16 Allowing self-selected testimony would distort the facts of the case, Rogers,
    
    340 U.S. at 371
    , and invite a party to “mutilate the truth” it offers to the court, Brown v. United
    States, 
    356 U.S. 148
    , 156 (1958). In other words, if a witness may “pick and choose what
    aspects of a particular subject to discuss,” doing so would inevitably “cast[] doubt on the
    trustworthiness of the statements and diminish[] the integrity of the factual inquiry.” Mitchell,
    
    526 U.S. at 322
    .
    16
    The term “waiver” here is imprecise as this rule is different from other waiver rules. Generally, a waiver
    is an intentional relinquishment of a known right. See Zerbst, 
    304 U.S. at 464
    . But in this context, while a witness
    must testify voluntarily, that decision need not be “knowing and intelligent.” Garner v. United States, 
    424 U.S. 648
    ,
    654 n.9 (1976). In other words, the “waiver” rule in this context does not require the witness to “have been aware of
    or have intended to give up the right to invoke the privilege when questioned about ‘the details.’” 1 McCormick on
    Evid., § 133 (8th Ed.). It would be more precise to assert that we are relying on the doctrine of forfeiture. See
    United States v. Olano, 
    507 U.S. 725
    , 733 (1993) (“[F]orfeiture is the failure to make the timely assertion of a
    right.”); Salinas v. Texas, 
    570 U.S. 178
    , 190 (2013) (plurality opinion) (“[I]t is settled that forfeiture of the privilege
    against self-incrimination need not be knowing.” (emphasis added)). Nonetheless, we continue to use the term
    “waiver” because of its widespread use in the Fifth Amendment context.
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    When a witness voluntarily waives the privilege by disclosing information, the scope of
    that waiver is determined both by the witness’s testimony and the opposing party’s cross-
    examination. “The witness himself, certainly if he is a party, determines the area of disclosure
    and therefore of inquiry.” Brown, 
    356 U.S. at 155
    . If a witness testifies and thereby waives the
    privilege, “he is not permitted to stop, but must go on and make a full disclosure.” Rogers,
    
    340 U.S. at 373
    . Cross-examination is the vehicle by which the full scope of the waiver is
    determined—“the breadth of [the witness’s] waiver is determined by the scope of relevant cross-
    examination.” Brown, 
    356 U.S. at
    154–55; see also 
    id. at 156
     (“[The witness] could not take the
    stand to testify in her own behalf and also claim the right to be free from cross-examination on
    matters raised by her own testimony on direct examination.” (emphasis added)). Permitting full
    cross-examination after a voluntary disclosure of a fact furthers the need for fair and honest fact-
    finding, for “[a] witness thus permitted to withdraw from the cross-fire of interrogation before
    the reliability of his testimony has been fully tested may on occasion have succeeded in putting
    before the trier of fact a one-sided account of the matters in dispute.” 
    Id. at 155
    .
    This waiver is “proceeding” specific, meaning that a waiver applies throughout the
    proceeding in which the witness testifies: “It is well established that a witness, in a single
    proceeding, may not testify voluntarily about a subject and then invoke the privilege against self-
    incrimination when questioned about the details.” Mitchell, 
    526 U.S. at 321
     (emphasis added).17
    In that proceeding, use of the privilege is “confined to instances where the witness has
    reasonable cause to apprehend danger from a direct answer,” Hoffman, 
    341 U.S. at 486
    , as
    witnesses are protected only when they are subject “to a ‘real danger’ of further crimination.”
    Rogers, 
    340 U.S. at 374
     (citation omitted). See also United States v. LaRiche, 
    549 F.2d 1088
    ,
    1096 (6th Cir. 1977) (“[W]aiver does not occur where further disclosure carries a risk of
    incrimination beyond that raised by previous testimony.”). In other words, the “hazards of
    incrimination” facing the claimant must be “substantial and ‘real,’ and not merely trifling or
    imaginary.” United States v. Apfelbaum, 
    445 U.S. 115
    , 128 (1980) (citation omitted). As for
    17
    The Supreme Court’s focus on the “proceeding” to which a waiver applies is not just a recent
    phenomenon. Rather, it has approached Fifth Amendment questions through a “proceeding” lens for over a century.
    See, e.g., Boyd v. United States, 
    116 U.S. 616
    , 631–35 (1886); Counselman v. Hitchcock, 
    142 U.S. 547
    , 563–64
    (1892), overruled on other grounds, Kastigar v. United States, 
    406 U.S. 441
     (1972); McCarthy, 
    266 U.S. at 40
    .
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    secondary or subsequent proceedings, most circuits have held that a waiver in one proceeding
    does not constitute a waiver in a second proceeding. See In re Morganroth, 
    718 F.2d 161
    , 165
    (6th Cir. 1983) (collecting cases). Courts have provided two reasons for this proceeding-specific
    rule. First, “conditions might have changed” in the time between the proceedings, “creating new
    grounds for apprehension, e.g., the passage of new criminal law.” 
    Id.
     Second, the “repetition of
    testimony in an independent proceeding might itself be incriminating, even if it merely repeated
    or acknowledged the witness’ earlier testimony, because it could constitute an independent
    source of evidence against him or her.” 
    Id.
    C.
    With that background in mind, we turn to the issue of whether a deposition and a trial are
    separate proceedings for Fifth Amendment purposes. This issue raises a threshold question:
    what constitutes a single “proceeding” under the Fifth Amendment? We have not resolved this
    specific issue, and plenty of “controversy surrounds the effect of testifying at an early stage of
    what might be considered a single unit of litigation.” 1 McCormick on Evid., § 133 (8th Ed.).
    We must wade into this dispute to determine if a deposition and a later trial in the same civil case
    are part of the same “proceeding.”
    We begin with Mitchell. There, the defendant pleaded guilty to drug-distribution charges
    but “reserved the right to contest the drug quantity attributable” under a separate conspiracy to
    distribute charge. 
    526 U.S. at 317
    . At the plea hearing, after the government explained the
    factual basis for her charges, the district court asked the defendant, “Did you do that?” to which
    the defendant responded, “Some of it.” 
    Id. at 318
    . At the following sentencing hearing, the
    district court found that her plea testimony constituted a waiver and sentenced her accordingly.
    
    Id.
     at 318–19. On appeal, the Supreme Court reversed, holding that the defendant “retained the
    privilege at her sentencing hearing.” 
    Id. at 321
    . The plea inquiry was not a waiver of her
    privilege—no cross-examination occurred at the plea hearing and there was little danger that the
    court would be misled by the selective disclosure of facts agreed to by the parties. 
    Id.
     at 322–23.
    The Court also extended the rule that “where there can be no further incrimination, there is no
    basis for the assertion of the privilege,” to hearings where the conviction has already been fixed.
    
    Id. at 326
    . Despite the plea, a possibility of further incrimination still existed for the defendant,
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    including the severity of her punishment. 
    Id.
     at 326–27. And the Court confirmed that this rule
    would apply “whether or not the sentencing hearing is deemed a proceeding separate from the
    [plea] hearing, an issue we need not resolve.” 
    Id. at 327
    .
    Mitchell assists with but does not resolve the question presented here. It explicitly
    declined to resolve whether a plea hearing was a separate “proceeding” from a subsequent
    sentencing hearing. Instead, it concluded that the defendant’s statements at the plea hearing did
    not constitute a waiver in the first instance. 
    Id. at 325
    . It provided several reasons for this,
    largely related to the purpose of and reason for each hearing. For one, the court and parties at a
    plea hearing are not necessarily concerned with fact-finding; rather, as evident from the lack of
    cross-examination, “[t]he purpose of a plea colloquy is to protect the defendant from an
    unintelligent or involuntary plea.” 
    Id. at 322
    . This purpose diminishes the risk that a selective
    disclosure will distort the facts. Thus, the thrust of Mitchell’s holding was that the purposes of
    and reasons for the defendant’s disclosure at the first hearing did not support a waiver of the
    privilege, regardless of whether plea and sentencing hearings were separate “proceedings.” Such
    reasoning does not resolve our issue—appellants do not disagree that they waived the privilege at
    their depositions; rather, they argue that this waiver does not carry over to trial. But Mitchell is
    still instructive here: its purpose-based analysis supports assessing whether a deposition and trial
    have a shared purpose. And Mitchell demonstrates the importance of cross-examination in the
    waiver process. The lack of cross-examination at a plea colloquy was a factor that strongly
    demonstrated no waiver had occurred. 
    Id.
     at 322–23.
    No case from our circuit addresses the exact scenario presented here; the most analogous,
    In re Morganroth, addressed testimony in two clearly separate proceedings. 
    718 F.2d at 163
    .
    There, the witness was charged in federal court with fraud; he was later deposed and testified in a
    separate state court civil action. 
    Id.
     at 163–64. He was acquitted of the criminal charges, but
    asserted his Fifth Amendment privilege in a later federal civil case to avoid perjuring himself.
    
    Id.
     On appeal, we held that the witness could assert the privilege in the federal civil action but
    that he must also identify before the district court the nature of the charge for which he feared
    prosecution.   
    Id.
     at 166–67.    We declined to reach the issue of whether a waiver in one
    “proceeding” carries over to another, as we found it inapplicable “where a fifth amendment
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    privilege is asserted solely because the witness alleges he is apprehensive of providing
    incriminating evidence in regard to a possible perjury charge stemming from responses in an
    earlier proceeding under oath.” 
    Id. at 165
    . “Once a witness has testified under oath, he risks the
    possibility of perjury charges in addition to any risk he may face for prosecution for non-perjury
    offenses suggested by his testimony.” 
    Id. at 166
    . But we concluded that the witness had not
    made a sufficient showing to the district court that would establish the foundation for asserting
    the privilege because his explanations to the court were not enough to demonstrate a “real
    danger” of prosecution for perjury. 
    Id.
     at 167–70.
    Morganroth did not address whether a deposition and a trial in the same case are separate
    proceedings, and it sidestepped the issue of whether a waiver in one proceeding carries over to
    another. Consequently, like Mitchell, it does not resolve our case. But its conclusion that
    perjury constituted an independent basis for asserting a privilege is instructive.      Like the
    defendant in Morganroth, appellants have claimed that they could easily be subjected to criminal
    prosecution for perjury arising out of potential inconsistencies in testimony. “When a witness is
    asked a question in a subsequent proceeding, the answer to which could show that he has already
    committed the crime of perjury in a prior proceeding, his refusal to answer is permissible almost
    by the definition of self-incrimination.” Morganroth, 
    718 F.2d at 166
    . But because Morganroth
    only addressed two separate proceedings, we must still determine whether a deposition and trial
    are indeed separate.
    Because no binding precedent addresses this issue, we move to other sources, turning
    first to treatises on the subject. The current version of McCormick on Evidence describes that,
    though dispute exists about waiver at different stages of one case, “[m]ost courts hold that
    testimony at a grand jury proceeding or other pretrial event or hearing does not preclude a
    witness from invoking the privilege at trial.” 1 McCormick on Evid., § 133 (8th Ed.) (footnotes
    omitted). An earlier edition describes this point in greater detail, explaining:
    In theory, a witness should not ordinarily be subject to additional legal detriment
    by being required to repeat testimony previously given. But in the excitement and
    confusion that may be generated by the second appearance, the witness might
    make admissions beyond those previously made. Reaffirming earlier self-
    incriminating admissions may encourage prosecution as a practical matter.
    Testimony during the second appearance might . . . increase the risk of liability
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    for perjury based on the first appearance. The traditional rule that a witness’s loss
    of the privilege by testifying lasts only during that “proceeding” in which the
    witness testified is consistent with the spirit of the privilege.
    1 McCormick on Evid., § 140, p. 528 (J. Strong 4th Ed. 1992) (footnotes omitted). Another
    treatise describes similarly:
    The waiver involved is limited to the particular proceeding in which the witness
    volunteers the testimony or the accused takes the stand. . . . His voluntary
    testimony before a coroner’s inquest, or a grand jury, or other preliminary and
    separate proceeding, e. g., in bankruptcy, is therefore not a waiver for the main
    trial.
    8 J. Wigmore, Evidence in Trials at Common Law § 2276, 470-72 (J. McNaughton rev. 1961).
    See also 81 Am. Jur. 2d Witnesses, § 151 (August 2022 Update) (“[T]he waiver of the privilege
    against self-incrimination at one stage of a proceeding is not a waiver of that right for other
    stages.”).
    These treatises strongly support the position that a deposition is a separate “proceeding”
    from a trial. They describe that a “proceeding” is the specific hearing in which a witness
    testifies. That would support limiting the waiver to a single testimonial event: in this case,
    appellants’ waiver would cover only their deposition testimony. As McCormick explains, this is
    rooted in one of the purposes of the waiver rule:                       repetition of testimony may encourage
    prosecution and increase the risk of perjury. This, in turn, also supports applying Morganroth’s
    perjury discussion here.18
    With that background, we turn next to caselaw to examine other scenarios where courts
    have addressed the Fifth Amendment privilege at different stages of one case. We begin by
    18
    Though not a treatise, the district court found Black’s Law Dictionary persuasive in outlining the
    “common meaning” of “proceeding.” See Sherrod, Teed, Vanderhagen and Ware, 
    2022 WL 834009
     at *4–5.
    Generally, dictionaries are used in determining the “ordinary meaning” of undefined terms in statutes, court rules,
    sentencing guidelines, and the like. See Taniguchi v. Kan Pac. Saipan, Ltd., 
    566 U.S. 560
    , 566–69 (2012); A. Scalia
    & B. Garner, Reading Law: The Interpretation of Legal Texts 69–77, 415–24 (Thompson/West 2012). They are
    used in interpreting common-law doctrines in limited circumstances, such as understanding the historic context for a
    particular doctrine. See Giles v. California, 
    554 U.S. 353
    , 358–61 (2008). Nevertheless, Black’s does not provide
    support for the district court’s one-sided interpretation. While it describes that a “proceeding” may be “[t]he regular
    and orderly progression of a lawsuit, including all acts and events between the time of commencement and the entry
    of judgment,” i.e., a case, it also states that “proceeding” may be “[a]n act or step that is part of a larger action,” i.e.,
    a hearing. Proceeding, Black’s Law Dictionary (11th ed. 2019). In other words, Black’s supports both parties’
    interpretations and, thus, is not useful here.
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    acknowledging two competing decisions identified by the parties and the district court. First, in
    State v. Roberts, the New Hampshire Supreme Court held that a deposition and trial were
    separate proceedings. 
    622 A.2d 1225
    , 1235–36 (N.H. 1993). The deposition testimony did not
    waive the privilege for purposes of trial—while it is “hornbook law that the waiver . . . is limited
    to the particular proceeding in which the witness appears,” that “majority rule preserves a
    witness’s right to assert the privilege in subsequent, distinct stages of a single proceeding.” 
    Id.
     at
    1235 (citing United States v. Trejo–Zambrano, 
    582 F.2d 460
    , 464 (9th Cir.); United States v.
    Johnson, 
    488 F.2d 1206
    , 1210 (1st Cir. 1973); and 1 McCormick on Evid., § 140 (4th Ed.)). The
    court reasoned that limiting the waiver to the deposition furthers the “spirit of the privilege”
    because it “recognizes that a witness’s admissions in a second appearance may exceed those
    previously made.” Id. But in Moser v. Heffington, the Court of Appeals of Maryland held that
    deposition testimony constituted a waiver for trial:        “[f]or Fifth Amendment purposes, a
    deposition and the trial in the same matter are stages of the same proceeding.” 
    214 A.3d 546
    ,
    557–59 (Md. 2019) (citing United States v. Parcels of Land, 
    903 F.2d 36
    , 43 (1st Cir. 1990), and
    Creative Consumer Concepts, Inc. v. Kreisler, 
    563 F.3d 1070
    , 1081 (10th Cir. 2009)). By
    testifying at her deposition, the witness waived the privilege “at least to the extent necessary for
    petitioners to cross-examine her on it.” Id. at 558. She could not invoke the privilege merely
    because additional testimony would create “new grounds for apprehension;” rather, “[i]t should
    be clear” to one giving a deposition that “any testimony that she gave might tend to subject her to
    criminal prosecution, especially since the police investigation had not been closed.” Id.
    To be sure, Roberts and Moser offer insight into how two other courts have addressed
    this exact situation. One discusses how the purpose or “spirit” of the privilege would best be met
    by limiting the “proceeding” to the deposition itself, while the other highlights that “any
    testimony” given while an investigation is ongoing would create a new apprehension. But their
    general insight does not resolve the question (and not simply because they are not binding on this
    court and reached different conclusions).        Both performed a perfunctory analysis of the
    “proceeding” question, citing—without much explanation—authorities that purportedly support
    either conclusion.    Compare Trejo-Zambrano, 582 F.2d at 464 (“A waiver of the Fifth
    Amendment privilege at one stage of a proceeding is not a waiver of that right for other stages.”),
    with Parcels of Land, 
    903 F.2d at 43
     (“[The witness’s] deposition and the filing of his affidavit,
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    however, were part of the same proceeding, and thus this [proceeding-specific] limitation does
    not apply.”).
    More helpful is the substantial body of law involving testimony at other pretrial
    proceedings. Consider first testimony given to grand juries. Courts generally hold that a grand
    jury and trial are two separate proceedings, such that grand jury testimony does not necessarily
    waive the privilege at trial. See 1 McCormick on Evid., § 133 (8th Ed.). The Third Circuit
    explained why in In re Neff: “[t]he grand jury is not a judicial tribunal but rather an informing or
    accusing body.” 
    206 F.2d 149
    , 152 (3d Cir. 1953). It does not conduct judicial proceedings, but
    rather “secret ex parte investigation[s]” that returns indictments. 
    Id.
     “It is clear, therefore, that
    the investigation of a grand jury is a proceeding which is wholly separate and distinct from, and
    of a different nature than, the subsequent trial of the defendant in the district court.” 
    Id.
     It thus
    followed that a witness “who testified to a matter before the grand jury did not thereby waive her
    right to claim her constitutional privilege against self-incrimination as to the same subject matter
    when called as a witness in the subsequent trial of a person indicted by the grand jury.” 
    Id.
     One
    of the cases relied on by Neff, the Iowa Supreme Court’s opinion in Duckworth v. Dist. Ct. of
    Woodbury Cnty., 
    264 N.W. 717
     (Iowa 1936), elaborated further, grounding its decision on the
    purpose of waiver rule. “The reason of this [waiver] rule is that a witness cannot arbitrarily in
    part waive and in part reserve his privilege, for the purpose of becoming a partisan in the case,
    revealing only so much of the truth as will benefit one of the parties, and asserting his privilege
    when interrogated as to facts which would cut the other way.” Id. at 721 (citation omitted). The
    privilege still existed at trial—the trial was not “a continuation of the investigation begun in the
    grand jury room” because of the different purposes of the two proceedings. Id. at 722. And the
    Second Circuit extended this to testifying twice before the same grand jury in United States v.
    Miranti, 
    253 F.2d 135
     (2d Cir. 1958). Conditions may have changed between the proceedings or
    the witness may be subject to a different interrogation for different purposes; in either event,
    “reiteration adds to the credibility of the statement.” 
    Id. at 140
    . Thus, the two grand jury
    appearances were separate—“[t]he passage of time and the events occurring between the two
    appearances render the proceedings separate for the purposes of the waiver rule.” 
    Id.
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    Other pretrial events in criminal cases are generally considered separate proceedings.
    In State v. Whiting, the Court of Appeals of Wisconsin held that a witness could invoke the
    privilege at trial after he had testified at the defendant’s preliminary examination. 
    402 N.W.2d 723
    , 728 (Wis. Ct. App. 1987). Analogizing the case to the grand jury proceeding considered in
    Neff, the court noted that “extending waiver from a related proceeding to the subsequent trial
    creates a danger of increased legal detriment to the witness.” 
    Id. at 729
    . “Moreover, a contrary
    rule would discourage witnesses from waiving the privilege at preliminary proceedings, thus
    depriving the truth-seeking process not only of trial testimony but of whatever investigatory
    value the preliminary testimony provides.” 
    Id.
     There was an “essential difference” between the
    preliminary examination and trial because the exam was “intended to be a summary proceeding
    to determine basic facts as to probability;” thus, the waiver did not carry over from “one distinct
    stage of a criminal prosecution to another.” 
    Id. at 730
    . See also Overend v. Super. Ct. of City &
    Cnty. of San Francisco, 
    63 P. 372
    , 374 (Cal. 1900) (concluding that testimony at a preliminary
    examination did not waive the right to testify at trial); People v. Williams, 
    181 P.3d 1035
    , 1058
    (Cal. 2008) (“[T]he failure of a witness to claim the privilege at a preliminary hearing does not
    prevent the witness from refusing to testify regarding the same incriminating material at the
    trial.”); Johnson, 
    488 F.2d at
    1209–11 (concluding that a codefendant witness who pleaded
    guilty prior to trial did not waive the privilege at the other defendant’s trial by making
    disclosures at the plea hearing).
    Consider too another element of civil discovery: pretrial affidavits. Courts largely
    conclude that these are separate from trial but not from subsequent depositions. In Samuel v.
    People, the Illinois Supreme Court held that a pretrial affidavit did not waive the privilege for
    trial. 
    45 N.E. 728
     (Ill. 1896). While “a witness who voluntarily and understandingly discloses
    part of a transaction exposing him to a criminal prosecution, without claiming his privilege, is
    ordinarily obliged to go forward, and complete the narrative, by stating the whole of the
    transaction,” that did not apply “unless the statements made in the affidavit indorsed upon the
    information and the statements made in the testimony elicited upon the trial may be regarded as
    parts of one continuous account.” Id. at 729. But the affidavit and trial did not run together—
    “the doctrine applies only to a case where the witness, while testifying upon the trial, states a
    fact, and afterwards refuses to give the details, or discloses a part of a transaction in which he
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    was criminally concerned, without claiming his privilege, and then refuses to go forward, and
    state the whole; it does not apply to a case where some admission made long prior to the trial is
    sought to be brought forward and joined to the answers given on the trial.” Id. (emphasis added).
    The Ninth Circuit has concluded similarly. See Trejo-Zambrano, 582 F.2d at 463–64 (noting
    that a witness did not “waive his right to refuse to give self-incriminating testimony when he
    executed the incriminating affidavit” because “[a] waiver of the Fifth Amendment privilege at
    one stage of a proceeding is not a waiver of that right for other stages”); Jeffries v. United States,
    
    215 F.2d 225
    , 226 (9th Cir. 1954) (commenting that the author of an affidavit used to grant the
    defendant a new trial “could refuse to testify [at the new trial] by reason of his privilege against
    self incrimination”). But other courts have concluded that a pretrial affidavit is not separate from
    a pretrial deposition, meaning that a court may strike an affidavit if the witness invokes the
    privilege at the deposition. See Parcels of Land, 
    903 F.2d at
    42–43 (“[I]t is true that had [the
    defendant’s] affidavit been filed and his deposition taken in separate, distinct proceedings,
    neither would have affected the treatment of the other, [but the two] were part of the same
    proceeding, and thus this limitation does not apply.”); In re Edmond, 
    934 F.2d 1304
    , 1308–09
    (4th Cir. 1991) (sustaining a district court order striking a witness’s affidavit after the witness
    refused to answer questions at a deposition).
    Finally, we would be remiss to leave unacknowledged the cases that address denials of
    motions to stay proceedings while implying that deposition testimony waives the privilege at a
    later trial.   In Creative Consumer Concepts, the defendant was involved in both civil and
    criminal cases—she unsuccessfully sought a stay of the civil proceedings while the criminal ones
    progressed. 
    563 F.3d at
    1080–81. The Tenth Circuit held that the district court did not abuse its
    discretion by denying the stay—there was limited overlap between the two cases, the defendant
    provided no concrete examples of how the denial prejudiced her, and she had already been
    deposed in the civil case. 
    Id. at 1081
    . The defendant “waived her Fifth Amendment privilege
    with respect to the questions she answered during her deposition,” and a stay would not have
    changed that she had “already provided the evidence used against her” in the civil case. 
    Id.
     And
    in Microfinancial, Inc. v. Premier Holidays Inter., Inc., the First Circuit affirmed a similar denial
    of a stay because the defendant had already signed an affidavit and given deposition testimony.
    
    385 F.3d 72
    , 78 (1st Cir. 2004). “By failing to invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege, he likely
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    waived the privilege with respect to the subject matter of his deposition testimony for the
    duration of the proceeding in which that testimony was given.” 
    Id.
     “When all is said and done, a
    stay cannot preserve what a defendant already has surrendered.” 
    Id. at 79
    . See also De Lisi v.
    Crosby, 
    402 F.3d 1294
    , 1301 (11th Cir. 2005) (noting that a witness “waived the privilege [at
    trial] when he answered the same question” at a deposition but holding that the error was
    harmless).
    Though none of these authorities are binding on this court, they provide a reasonable
    survey of how other courts have addressed waivers of the Fifth Amendment privilege. First, a
    majority of jurisdictions conclude that a waiver at one hearing does not carry over to trial
    because the two are not part of the same proceeding. See, e.g., Miranti, 
    253 F.2d at 140
    (collecting cases). In most circumstances, the witnesses were able to claim the privilege at trial.
    Second, when addressing pretrial testimonial events, the further the initial testimony is from trial,
    the more likely it is that a court will conclude that the two proceedings are separate. See, e.g.,
    Samuel, 45 N.E. at 729. Often, this is because of the purpose of the first hearing is distinct from
    that of trial.   See, e.g., Neff, 
    206 F.2d at 152
    .     Third, pretrial discovery affidavits do not
    necessarily waive the privilege at subsequent hearings, but it depends on the nature of the next
    hearing. An affidavit and subsequent deposition may be part of the same proceeding, see
    Parcels of Land, 
    903 F.2d at
    43–44, while an affidavit and trial are not, see Samuel, 45 N.E at
    729. Fourth, the cases relied on by Moser (and, by extension, the district court and appellees) are
    less persuasive. Many of those cases commented without explanation that deposition testimony
    waived the privilege for the remainder of civil proceeding.          See, e.g., Creative Consumer
    Concepts, 
    563 F.3d at 1081
    . And in Creative Consumer Concepts and Microfinancial, the Fifth
    Amendment waiver issue was not necessary to their holdings, rendering the discussion mere
    dicta.
    But the most telling thread evident in this caselaw is that many courts, like Mitchell, look
    to the purpose and logic supporting the Fifth Amendment. When comparing the two events at
    issue, courts often determine whether a second waiver is needed by considering whether a waiver
    best serves the purposes of the Fifth Amendment and, more specifically, the purposes of the
    “waiver” rule. See, e.g., Duckworth, 264 N.W. at 721–22. Indeed, we find the opinions that do
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    this, such as Neff, Samuel, Duckworth, and Roberts, far more persuasive than opinions that do
    not. For that reason, we now consider whether the logic and purpose of the Fifth Amendment
    supports concluding that appellants’ waivers of the privilege at their depositions carry over to
    trial because the two are part of the same proceeding.
    D.
    At the outset, we highlight the general principle that the Fifth Amendment privilege is to
    be interpreted broadly. It must be “accorded liberal construction in favor of the right it was
    intended to secure.” Hoffman, 
    341 U.S. at 486
    . While this liberal-construction canon does not,
    by itself, resolve the waiver issue in this case, we note it is the starting point for our analysis.
    Doing so gives full value to the Supreme Court’s instruction on the importance and breadth of
    the privilege while also retaining our independent responsibility to determine whether the
    purpose and logic of the Fifth Amendment support such a liberal construction in the
    circumstances before us. Cf. Hoffman, 
    341 U.S. at 486
    ; Estelle, 
    451 U.S. at
    467–68; see also
    Convertino v. U.S. Dep’t of Justice, 
    795 F.3d 587
    , 596 (6th Cir. 2015) (“Courts must indulge
    every reasonable presumption against waiver.” (quotation marks and citation omitted)). So,
    under this canon, absent some justification to the contrary, appellants should be able to invoke it.
    But no such justification contrary to the privilege exists here. Rather, the logic and purpose of
    the privilege support the conclusion that a deposition and trial are separate proceedings.
    The “waiver” rule is intended to protect the fact-finding process and prevent witnesses
    from distorting the truth through providing self-selected testimony or testifying only to the
    favorable aspects of his or her testimony. See Rogers, 
    340 U.S. at 371
    ; Mitchell, 
    526 U.S. at 322
    . But when a witness testifies, the Fifth Amendment requires the witness to submit him- or
    herself to cross-examination, so that the court and the parties may elicit the particulars of the
    witness’s testimony. See Brown, 
    356 U.S. at
    155–56. For that reason, cross-examination
    determines the breadth of the witness’s waiver. 
    Id.
     at 154–55. Described as the “greatest legal
    engine ever invented for the discovery of truth,” Maryland v. Craig, 
    497 U.S. 836
    , 846 (1990), it
    is the key element needed to protect the fact-finding process and to prevent a witness from
    distorting the truth, see, e.g., Doe v. Univ. of Cincinnati, 
    872 F.3d 393
    , 401–02 (6th Cir. 2017).
    Cross-examination prevents a witness from making only a partial disclosure of the truth by
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    testifying only on direct examination. In our adversarial justice system, the parties each have the
    responsibility to set forth their version of the facts. See Malloy, 
    378 U.S. at
    7–8. When a
    witness testifies for one party, they may present testimony in that party’s favor; ordinarily, the
    opposing party may counter that testimony through cross-examination. Each party has the onus
    to present their own version of the facts. By requiring cross-examination, the Fifth Amendment
    waiver rule protects this fact-finding process.
    Consequently, cross-examination is the crucial factor in determining what qualifies as a
    Fifth Amendment proceeding. A witness cannot set forth certain testimony and then “withdraw
    from the cross-fire of interrogation before the reliability of his testimony has been fully tested.”
    Brown, 
    356 U.S. at 155
    . See also Duckworth, 264 N.W. at 721 (describing that a waiver of the
    privilege compels the witness to disclose the truth “by a rigid cross-examination”). Allowing
    this process would “mutilate the truth,” Brown, 
    356 U.S. at 156
    , and “cast[] doubt on the
    trustworthiness of the statements and diminish[] the integrity of the factual inquiry,” Mitchell,
    
    526 U.S. at 322
    . Mitchell demonstrates the importance of cross-examination, as the court
    reasoned that a lack of cross-examination supported a finding that no waiver occurred. 
    Id.
     at
    322–23. In this manner, the Fifth Amendment privilege attaches only to the event where the
    witness testifies and is then subject to cross-examination, such as at a deposition or trial. See
    Samuel, 45 N.E. at 729 (“[T]he doctrine applies only to a case where the witness, while testifying
    upon the trial, states a fact, and afterwards refuses to give the details.” (emphasis added));
    1 McCormick on Evid., § 140, p. 528 (4th Ed.) (“The traditional rule that a witness’s loss of the
    privilege by testifying lasts only during that ‘proceeding’ in which the witness testified is
    consistent with the spirit of the privilege.” (emphasis added)). This rationale, therefore, protects
    the opposing party’s right to cross-examination—through that protected cross-examination, that
    party can still present their facts to the court. A witness may be able to distort the truth by
    presenting self-selected testimony without cross-examination, but self-selected testimony is not
    possible if the opposing party can cross-examine the witness. For those reasons, this justification
    strongly supports concluding that a Fifth Amendment waiver applies only to a single testimonial
    event where the witness is subject to both direct and cross-examination.
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    The depositions that occurred in this case qualify as one of these testimonial events. In a
    deposition, witnesses do not have an opportunity to “mutilate” the truth because both parties
    have an opportunity to examine the witness. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 30(c). As at trial, a witness has
    an opportunity to present a side of the story favorable to one party, but the other party is entitled
    to cross-examine the witness on that testimony. This single testimonial event, so long as cross-
    examination is allowed and performed, comprises the extent of the Fifth Amendment waiver. If
    a witness chooses to submit to a deposition, as appellants did here, the entirety of their waiver is
    determined at the deposition—“the breadth of his waiver is determined by the scope of relevant
    cross-examination.” Brown, 
    356 U.S. at
    154–55. Once that cross-examination is finished and
    the parties each had an opportunity to elicit facts favorable to them, the waiver is finished and the
    witness may choose to assert a privilege anew at a different testimonial event. Yet the fact-
    finding process is still intact. If the witness does re-assert the privilege at trial or other event,
    that new assertion does not affect the availability of the deposition testimony—it may well be
    admissible at trial regardless. See Fed. R. Evid. 804 (providing that a witness who claims a
    privilege is unavailable and, thus, their prior hearsay testimony is admissible at trial); United
    States v. Toney, 
    599 F.2d 787
    , 789–90 (6th Cir. 1979) (concluding that a witness’s invocation of
    the Fifth Amendment privilege rendered him “unavailable” under Rule 804); Roberts, 622 A.2d
    at 1235 (explaining that a deposition “generates a potentially admissible transcript that is
    available to all parties”). The ultimate decider of fact thereby still has an accurate picture of the
    case.
    The need to protect a witness from further incrimination also supports concluding that the
    two events are separate. The Fifth Amendment applies when witnesses face a real danger of
    further incrimination. See Rogers, 
    340 U.S. at 374
    ; Apfelbaum, 
    445 U.S. at 128
    . And the rule
    that waivers apply throughout their own proceeding but not beyond (as followed by most
    circuits) is a logical extension of this, intended to account for changed circumstances that may
    create new grounds for apprehension and for the possibility that witnesses could further
    incriminate themselves. See Morganroth, 
    718 F.2d at 165
    ; Roberts, 622 A.2d at 1235. When a
    witness is called upon to repeat his or her testimony, several such hazards exist. If a witness is
    required to testify anew, that witness may either repeat his or her earlier testimony verbatim or
    provide information in addition to the earlier testimony. Each situation could further incriminate
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    the witness. For one, he or she may make new disclosures that reveal new incriminating
    information. See Roberts, 622 A.2d at 1235; 1 McCormick on Evid., § 140, p. 528 (4th Ed.)
    (“[I]n the excitement and confusion that may be generated by the second appearance, the witness
    might make admissions beyond those previously made.”). But even if he or she merely repeated
    his or her earlier testimony, that could also further incriminate the witness. Repetition adds
    credibility to the earlier testimony, Miranti, 
    253 F.2d at 140
    , and may “encourage prosecution as
    a practical matter,” 1 McCormick on Evid., § 140, p. 528 (4th Ed.).
    But whether the witness makes further disclosures or not, testifying anew brings with it
    the concrete risk of perjury. Time and again, perjury has been recognized as a legitimate
    apprehension justifying invocation of the privilege. See Morganroth, 
    718 F.2d at 166
     (“Once a
    witness has testified under oath, he risks the possibility of perjury charges in addition to any risk
    he may face for prosecution for non-perjury offenses suggested by his testimony.”);
    1 McCormick on Evid., § 140, p. 528 (4th Ed.) (“Testimony during the second appearance
    might . . . increase the risk of liability for perjury based on the first appearance.”). Appellants
    have clearly articulated this fear—though appellants maintain the veracity of their prior
    testimony, appellees seek to show that appellants have lied about what they know. In other
    words, appellants face a real and concrete danger that they could, intentionally or not, perjure
    themselves through subsequent testimony. This too is enough to require a new invocation of the
    privilege. “When a witness is asked a question in a subsequent proceeding, the answer to which
    could show that he has already committed the crime of perjury in a prior proceeding, his refusal
    to answer is permissible almost by the definition of self-incrimination.” Morganroth, 
    718 F.2d at 166
    . Morganroth’s admonition makes little sense if separate testimonial events are still part of
    the same “proceeding” for Fifth Amendment purposes.
    This flows into another justification:        changed circumstances leading to greater
    apprehension. In this case, appellants were deposed in 2020; their trial testimony was required in
    2022 and would be again in 2023 and beyond. During the intervening time, new risks have
    indeed presented themselves. In addition to new apprehensions from repetition of testimony or
    perjury, appellants are also now facing criminal indictments. While appellants knew of the
    criminal investigations into their conduct and they still chose to waive their privilege at their
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    depositions, they did not know if they would face new charges in the future, and, if so, what
    those charges would be. Courts have addressed situations where multiple years had passed and
    an intervening indictment had occurred, noting that this was enough to justify requiring a new
    waiver of Fifth Amendment privileges. See, e.g., Miranti, 
    253 F.2d at 140
     (concluding that the
    passage of a year and an intervening indictment and conviction “render[ed] the proceedings
    separate for the purposes of the waiver rule”); Samuel, 45 N.E. at 729 (noting that the privilege
    did not apply when the waiver was “made long prior to the trial”); Ellis v. United States,
    
    416 F.2d 791
    , 805 (D.C. Cir. 1969) (noting that its holding that a waiver carries forward to a
    different proceeding does not apply “when the witness is himself accused or under indictment”).
    So whether appellants should have known new indictments were coming is an immaterial
    element in this determination—courts focus instead on what actually transpired for the witnesses
    and how those new events resulted in changed circumstances.19
    Finally, we consider the purpose of the two events at issue. In Neff, the court reasoned
    that a grand jury and a trial were separate proceedings because of their different purposes.
    
    206 F.2d at 152
    . And in Mitchell, the Supreme Court considered the differing purposes of a plea
    and sentencing hearings, though it declined to decide whether the two were separate proceedings.
    See 
    526 U.S. at
    322–23, 325, 327. Similarly, the divergent purposes of a deposition and a trial
    support concluding that the two are not one “proceeding” for Fifth Amendment purposes. A trial
    and a deposition serve different evidentiary purposes, even though they may share similar
    procedures. A trial is the “judicial investigation and determination of the issues between the
    parties to an action before a competent tribunal.” 75 Am. Jur. 2d Trial § 1 (May 2022 Update).
    Its purpose is to determine conclusively the “validity of the allegations.” Id. at § 2. See also
    Trial, Black’s Law Dictionary (11th Ed. 2019) (“A formal judicial examination of evidence and
    determination of legal claims in an adversary proceeding.” (emphasis added)). In other words,
    the trial is the actual, final determination of questions of fact—it is when issues are conclusively
    decided.     A deposition is different.        It is questioning performed in anticipation of trial to
    19
    Peeler, again, does not change this because the Solicitor General has vowed to refile (or appeal) any
    dismissed charges. But even if those charges are forever dismissed, appellants still face a new fear of perjury for
    their testimony. Cf. Morganroth, 
    718 F.2d at 166
    . Thus, appellants still face a real possibility of further
    incrimination, and Peeler does not affect their right to claim the privilege at trial.
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    “produce[] relevant evidence which is useful in determining the merits of the claims asserted by
    the parties.” Blue Chip Stamps v. Manor Drug Stores, 
    421 U.S. 723
    , 741 (1975). See also
    Deposition, Black’s Law Dictionary (11th Ed. 2019) (“A witness’s out-of-court testimony that is
    reduced to writing . . . for later use in court or for discovery purposes.”). A deposition is
    certainly done to assist with discovery and to produce evidence for trial. But it is not the trial.
    To that end, the federal rules have different procedures for taking deposition and trial testimony.
    For example, when taking deposition testimony, a witness must assert an objection to a question,
    yet the “testimony is taken subject to any objection.” Fed. R. Civ. P. 30(c)(2). A witness is
    permitted not to answer only in limited circumstances, such as “when necessary to preserve a
    privilege.” 
    Id.
     These rules demonstrate an intent to produce as much evidence as possible
    during discovery. At trial, however, an accurate and trustworthy presentation of evidence is
    paramount. Parties may object to the admissibility of testimony or other evidence. See 75 Am.
    Jur. 2d Trial § 303. The district court is required to rule on those objections, and, unlike
    depositions, it may exclude evidence if an objection is valid. Id. at § 310. Consequently, though
    there may be some similarities between a deposition and trial, the two share different purposes
    and, thus, are separate.
    For these reasons, we conclude that a deposition and trial are separate proceedings for
    Fifth Amendment purposes.         The logic, justifications, and purpose underlying the Fifth
    Amendment support concluding that a single testimonial event is its own proceeding for
    purposes of a waiver. Cross-examination is the mechanism employed by our evidentiary system
    to protect the fact-finding process and to prevent distortion of the truth. Here, appellants were
    subject to such cross-examination during their deposition. They may face further incrimination
    during trial by repetition of their testimony, the possibility of further disclosure, and the threat of
    perjury. The purposes of a deposition and trial serve different ends. And caselaw and treatises,
    though not uniform, largely support such a conclusion. Therefore, appellants’ waiver of their
    Fifth Amendment privileges at their depositions did not necessarily waive the privilege for
    purposes of trial.
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    E.
    Before moving on, we take the opportunity to respond to the dissent.                        Unlike the
    concurrence, our opinions agree that we should examine the logic and purposes of the Fifth
    Amendment to resolve our “proceeding” inquiry.20 However, we diverge on its application, as
    the dissent would affirm the district court and conclude that a deposition and a trial in the same
    civil case are part of the same “proceeding.” We find the dissent’s examination and application
    of these purposes unpersuasive.
    To begin, the dissent’s analysis repeatedly relies on the premise that appellants had
    “reason to know” that they were waiving the privilege at their deposition; consequently, they
    should have known the waivers would carry forward to trial, notwithstanding any changed
    circumstances. However, this standard has little basis in caselaw. The dissent divines the
    “reason to know” standard not from our court or from the Supreme Court, but from a wholly
    distinguishable and sometimes-questioned Second Circuit opinion, Klein v. Harris, 
    667 F.2d 274
    (2d. Cir. 1981). There, a witness testified for the defendant and was recalled to testify when he
    stated privately to defense counsel that he had “lied on the stand;” yet when recalled, the witness
    invoked his Fifth Amendment privilege.               
    Id.
     at 279–80.       To determine whether a waiver
    occurred, the Second Circuit invented a two-part test:
    [W]e read the prior decisions of the Supreme Court and the courts of this Circuit
    to hold that a court should only infer a waiver of the fifth amendment’s privilege
    against self-incrimination from a witness’ prior statements if (1) the witness’ prior
    statements have created a significant likelihood that the finder of fact will be left
    with and prone to rely on a distorted view of the truth, and (2) the witness had
    reason to know that his prior statements would be interpreted as a waiver of the
    fifth amendment’s privilege against self-incrimination.
    
    Id. at 287
     (emphasis added). Applying that test, the court held that the witness, “by testifying
    freely about the circumstances of the crime when he first took the stand, waived any fifth
    amendment privilege he might otherwise have been entitled to invoke to avoid testifying” about
    20
    There is good reason for this approach, even beyond Mitchell. When addressing constitutional questions
    of first impression, both the Supreme Court and our court have turned to the purposes or rationales underlying the
    constitutional provisions. See, e.g., United States v. Gillock, 
    445 U.S. 360
    , 369–73 (1980); United States v.
    Beckham, 
    789 F.2d 401
    , 413–14 (6th Cir. 1986).
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    the crime. Id. at 289. “Where, as here, a witness’ prior testimony results in a testimonial waiver
    of the witness’ fifth amendment privilege, the trial judge must, if the witness is subsequently
    recalled to the stand, direct the witness to testify, if necessary under penalty of contempt.” Id.
    Application of this “reason to know” standard here is problematic. For one, Klein
    addressed two instances of testifying during a single trial. Of course, that factual distinction by
    itself does not discredit the case; we must consider its reasoning if the Fifth Amendment requires
    imputing some knowledge to the witnesses. But it is not clear that the Fifth Amendment does so,
    and certainly not for our purposes today. Klein did not cite the caselaw upon which it relied for
    its two-part standard; it merely declared that it “read [those] prior decisions” as supporting its
    purported “reason to know” standard. 
    667 F.2d at 287
    . This standard has been questioned, see
    1 McCormick on Evid., § 133 (8th Ed.) (“This approach has been criticized as inconsistent with
    the Supreme Court’s analysis of the privilege . . . .”), and for good reason. The Supreme Court
    does not require a “knowing and intelligent” waiver in the Fifth Amendment context, yet Klein’s
    standard explicitly assesses a witness’s purported knowledge for waiver purposes. Cf. Garner v.
    United States, 
    424 U.S. 648
    , 654 n.9 (1976). This has led one court to conclude that Klein
    “improperly adds elements” to the waiver analysis. See In re A & L Oil Co., Inc., 
    200 B.R. 21
    ,
    25 (Bankr. D.N.J. 1996). Further, the “reason to know” element is not integral to other courts’
    determinations of whether two different events are part of the same “proceeding.” Those cases
    instead focus on individual testimonial events and the ability to prevent distortion of the truth
    through cross-examination. See Brown, 
    356 U.S. at
    154–56; Mitchell, 
    526 U.S. at
    322–23;
    Duckworth, 264 N.W. at 721; Samuel, 45 N.E. at 729; Parcels of Land, 
    903 F.2d at 43
    . Courts,
    apart from Klein and the few that rely on it, do not undertake a “reason to know” analysis when
    determining “proceeding” questions under the Fifth Amendment.21
    21
    We acknowledge that some courts have adopted Klein’s test. See, e.g., State v. Barros, 
    148 A.3d 168
    ,
    176 (R.I. 2016); 1 McCormick on Evid. § 133 n.18 (8th Ed.). But we have not found widespread adoption of this
    test, cf. In re Saunders, 
    528 B.R. 860
    , 867–68 (N.D. Ga. 2015) (describing the test as “widely adopted”), and we
    note that, perhaps contrary to Klein, at least one other court has concluded that a witness did not waive her privilege
    by previously testifying at the same trial, see People v. Bagby, 
    482 N.E.2d 41
    , 43–44 (N.Y. 1985). In sum, the
    opinions adopting Klein’s standard have neither critically examined Klein nor evaluated whether its standard is
    consistent with the Fifth Amendment analysis employed by most courts addressing whether two events are the same
    “proceeding.” We find their adoption of Klein’s test unpersuasive for our purposes.
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    In any event, even if it is appropriate to consider Klein’s “reason to know” element when
    addressing some Fifth Amendment issues, it does not apply here. The issue in Klein, as in
    Mitchell, was whether a waiver had occurred in the first place. See 
    667 F.2d at 287
    . It was not
    focused on the scope of a waiver or whether two different testimonial events were part of the
    same proceeding—indeed, the court presumed without discussion that it was dealing with a
    single proceeding. See 
    id. at 288
     (noting simply that waiver statements must be “voluntarily
    made under oath in the context of the same judicial proceeding”). This proceeding question was
    not answered in Klein, so we cannot (and should not) rely so heavily on its “reason to know”
    statement for purposes of our proceeding inquiry. To derive a rule from a case that did not
    address the pertinent question is “to build a syllogism upon a conjecture.” People v. Seewald,
    
    879 N.W.2d 237
    , 242 n.26 (Mich. 2016). See also Wright v. Spaulding, 
    939 F.3d 695
    , 702 (6th
    Cir. 2019) (“[Q]uestions which merely lurk in the record, neither brought to the attention of the
    court nor ruled upon, are not to be considered as having been so decided as to constitute
    precedents.” (quotation marks and citation omitted)); Bryan A. Garner, et al., The Law of
    Judicial Precedent 87–88 (Thompson Reuters 2016) (explaining that “assumed rules” do not
    make a “centerpiece” for an argument). In sum, this “reason to know” element does not assist
    with our Fifth Amendment analysis; it speaks only to the issue of whether a waiver occurred in
    the first place. It has little applicability here where appellants concede—and rightly so—that
    their deposition testimony constituted a waiver but only for purposes of the deposition itself.22
    The dissent’s other arguments concerning the purposes of the Fifth Amendment are
    similarly unavailing. In discussing the need to prevent distortion of the truth, the dissent opines
    that the need to prevent discovery abuses and to promote fairness “tips in favor of holding a
    deponent to their waiver come trial.” Dissent, p. 65. It is “not unfair to require further testimony
    as to incriminating details once a witness chooses to testify about incriminating facts,” because
    “[a]llowing a witness to testify at a deposition only then to allow them to invoke their privilege
    against self-incrimination on the same subjects about which they were already deposed would
    22
    To be sure, we do not criticize the whole of Klein, including whether it reached the right conclusion or
    whether other aspects of its two-part test may assist with Fifth Amendment issues. Whether two different acts of
    testifying at one trial are separate proceedings for Fifth Amendment purposes is not before us. Our criticism is
    directed solely at reliance on Klein’s “reason to know” element for our analysis when that element is not closely
    entwined with most courts’ analysis of “proceeding” questions.
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    both give a witness insight into the questions that a party might ask at trial as well as let the
    witness avoid providing follow-up answers based on the ones that they have already given.”
    Dissent, pp. 61, 65. However, the dissent places a high reliance on fairness interests that are not
    found in caselaw. Courts have not held that the Fifth Amendment should always produce the
    fairest discovery procedures, such as prohibiting insight into the opposing parties’ theories or
    relying on live, not recorded, testimony at trial. Such concerns, though reasonable, are not part
    of the logic underlying the Fifth Amendment.          Rather, the Fifth Amendment is expressly
    concerned with preventing distortion of the truth and self-selected testimony, and we emphasize
    again that it provides for cross-examination as the mechanism to protect that truth. See Brown,
    
    356 U.S. at
    154–56.       But, as a byproduct, the purposes and justifications for the Fifth
    Amendment still mitigate the possibility of discovery abuse. A deponent is still subject to
    examination and cross-examination at a deposition; thus, he or she cannot avoid follow-up
    examination. Additionally, while the discovery process often benefits from live testimony, it
    nonetheless remains that the waived deposition testimony is likely preserved and available for
    viewing at trial. See Fed. R. Evid. 804; Toney, 
    599 F.2d at
    789–90. A witness who waives his or
    her privilege only to assert it later at trial will almost certainly not be able to prevent disclosure
    of those statements, and he or she may even find their testimony subject to an adverse inference
    in civil cases like this. See Baxter v. Palmigiano, 
    425 U.S. 308
    , 318 (1976) (“[T]he Fifth
    Amendment does not forbid adverse inferences against parties to civil actions when they refuse
    to testify in response to probative evidence offered against them.”) (citation omitted); Davis v.
    Mut. Life Ins. Co. of New York, 
    6 F.3d 367
    , 384–85 (6th Cir. 1993) (extending the possible
    inference to non-party witnesses). But see Griffith v. California, 
    380 U.S. 609
    , 613–15 (1965)
    (forbidding such inference in criminal cases). The dissent gives short shrift to these points.
    Consequently, we disagree with its conclusion that the distortion rationale favors extending a
    waiver not only to the deposition, but also to trial; instead, that purpose of the Fifth Amendment
    continue to favor limiting the waiver to the deposition itself.
    The dissent then opines that the further-incrimination rationale supports its conclusion
    because deponents generally should know that their statements are made in preparation of trial
    and, thus, it is not unfair to carry those statements forward.        Again, the dissent relies on
    unpersuasive fairness concerns and a “reason to know” standard inapplicable here. But another
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    point deserves response: the dissent incorrectly dismisses Morganroth and its perjury discussion
    as further justification that a deposition and trial are separate proceedings. It concludes that
    Morganroth involved two different civil cases and, thus, did not speak to whether a deposition
    and trial were separate proceedings. Though Morganroth unquestionably involved two separate
    proceedings and did not resolve our issue, its reasoning nonetheless supports concluding that a
    single testimonial event, such as a deposition or trial, is its own proceeding for Fifth Amendment
    purposes. The Fifth Amendment is designed to protect a witness’s right not to be a witness
    against himself, and it applies when there is a real danger of incrimination. Estelle, 
    451 U.S. at
    467–68; Rogers, 
    340 U.S. at 374
    . When a witness testifies, that always brings with it the
    possibility of incriminating testimony, including perjury. Thus, to avoid the possibility of further
    incrimination, a waiver should apply only to a single testimonial event. Otherwise, a witness
    will be compelled to give testimony that could be used to incriminate him. Here, appellants did
    not face the same risks at their depositions as they did at trial—the likelihood of perjury,
    increased credibility of their already incriminating testimony, and a greater possibility of
    prosecution are all new apprehensions. See Miranti, 
    253 F.2d at 140
    ; Morganroth, 
    718 F.2d at 166
    ; 1 McCormick on Evid., § 140, p. 528 (4th Ed.). Therefore, forcing a witness to testify anew
    bring with it new risks of incrimination—meaning a new waiver is required for a new testimonial
    event in the face of such new apprehensions.
    Finally, we disagree with the dissent’s characterization of the purposes of a deposition
    and trial.   We agree that a deposition and trial are more similar than a plea hearing and
    sentencing, see Mitchell, 
    526 U.S. at
    322–23, or a grand jury and criminal trial, see Neff,
    
    206 F.2d at 152
    . And we acknowledge that many of the procedures governing depositions are
    similar to, if not the same as, trial. See generally Fed. R. Civ. P. 30(c). Depositions may indeed
    be conducted in preparation for trial and help to “sidestep the need for trial altogether;” from a
    practical perspective, a deponent likely should not “reasonably be surprised when they are called
    to testify at trial about matters covered in their deposition.” Dissent, pp. 61, 63. But despite
    these arguments to the contrary, the dissent cannot overcome the basic, immutable fact that a
    deposition is not a trial. No matter how closely entwined they may seem, their purposes are
    distinct. Compare 75 Am. Jur. 2d Trial § 1, with Blue Chip Stamps, 
    421 U.S. at 741
    . And the
    divergent purposes of the two events at issue support concluding that a testimonial event, such as
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    a deposition or a trial, is its own proceeding for Fifth Amendment purposes. Therefore, we
    reject the dissent’s arguments to the contrary.
    F.
    While our conclusion that the two testimonial events here are separate proceedings does
    not necessarily mean a waiver occurred at trial, it does not conclusively resolve the issue. Our
    circuit has not determined whether a waiver at one proceeding carries over to the next.
    Morganroth, 
    718 F.2d at
    165–166. However, a large majority of jurisdictions have concluded
    that a waiver “in one proceeding does not constitute a waiver . . . in a second proceeding.” 
    Id. at 165
    . See, e.g., United States v. Licavoli, 
    604 F.2d 613
    , 623 (9th Cir. 1979); United States v.
    Cain, 
    544 F.2d 1113
    , 1117 (1st Cir. 1976); Miranti, 
    253 F.2d at 139
    ; Neff, 
    206 F.2d at 152
    ;
    Poretto v. United States, 196 F.2d at 394 (5th Cir. 1952). As described, this “majority” rule is
    predicated on certain justifications: that a change in conditions may “creat[e] new grounds for
    apprehension” and that repetition of testimony “could constitute an independent source of
    evidence against” the witness. Morganroth, 
    718 F.2d at 165
    .
    Only the D.C. Circuit’s decision in Ellis is discordant. 
    416 F.2d at 791
    . In its view,
    “[o]nce a witness has voluntarily spoken out, we do not see how his protected interest is
    jeopardized by testifying in a subsequent proceeding, provided he is not required to disclose
    matters of substance which are unknown to the Government.” 
    416 F.2d at 801
    . Thus, no extra
    risk of incrimination was present, and a finding of waiver for the second proceeding would not
    expose the witness to further harm. 
    Id.
     at 801–02. But Ellis did not extend its holding to “apply
    when the witness is himself accused or under indictment.” 
    Id. at 805
    .
    As our above analysis supports concluding that a deposition and trial are separate
    proceedings, it similarly requires adopting the majority rule that a waiver in one proceeding does
    not carry forward to another. The great weight of authority supports concluding that waivers do
    not carry over; Ellis stands by itself and has been questioned. See, e.g., 1 McCormick on Evid.,
    § 140, p. 528 (4th Ed.) (“Ellis unwisely extends a witness’s loss of his privilege beyond the
    ‘proceeding’ in which he testifies.”). There is a good reason for this criticism. For one, Ellis
    goes against the principle that the Fifth Amendment privilege should be interpreted broadly
    without providing a compelling justification for doing so. Cf. Hoffman, 
    341 U.S. at 486
    . And, as
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    recognized in other cases, Ellis incorrectly assumes that requiring a witness to testify anew
    would not expose the witness to any additional risk of harm. See Johnson, 
    488 F.2d at
    1210–11
    (critiquing Ellis’s assumption that “the witness’ testimony at trial would cover nothing not
    already disclosed to the grand jury”). But other cases demonstrate that this is false. The risk of
    perjury alone, such as discussed in Morganroth, would give rise to a new risk of harm.
    Testifying anew subjects the witness to a risk of new, inadvertent disclosure. And even if the
    witness discloses nothing new, repeating testimony lends credibility to that testimony and
    encourages prosecution for the disclosed incriminating facts. See, e.g., Miranti, 
    253 F.2d at 140
    .
    Thus, new risks necessarily exist when a witness testifies again, and Ellis relied on faulty
    reasoning for suggesting otherwise. In short, cabining a waiver to its own proceeding protects a
    witness’s right to assert the privilege free of new apprehensions and independent sources of
    evidence against them. Compelling a witness to provide testimony in a second proceeding when
    facing these risks contravenes the Fifth Amendment. In sum, a waiver of testimony in one
    proceeding does not waive it for the next. For that reason, appellants’ waiver at the first
    proceeding (their depositions) does not conclusively carry over to the second (the forthcoming
    trials).
    G.
    Given our holding that appellants may assert their privilege at trial, we must now finish
    with the issue of how they may do so. Appellants argue that they are entitled to a “blanket
    assertion” of immunity, while appellees assert that they must do so on a question-by-question
    basis.
    Parties are entitled to a blanket assertion of the Fifth Amendment privilege only in
    limited circumstances. “The longstanding rule of this circuit is that a defendant must take the
    stand and answer individualized questions in order to invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege.”
    United States v. Bates, 
    552 F.3d 472
    , 475 (6th Cir. 2009). See also Morganroth, 718 F.3d at 167
    (“The privilege must be asserted by a witness with respect to particular questions . . . .”).
    Generally, a blanket assertion, by itself, does not demonstrate the “reasonable fear of danger of
    prosecution” needed to invoke the privilege. United States v. Highgate, 
    521 F.3d 590
    , 593–94
    (6th Cir. 2008). But we have also recognized that, “in instances where the witness has a clear
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    entitlement to claim the privilege,” such as where a party seeks to blame the witness for the
    alleged wrongs committed, “forcing the witness to take the stand would be futile and thus
    unnecessary.” United States v. McAllister, 
    693 F.3d 572
    , 583–84 (6th Cir. 2012) (quotation
    omitted). “In such a case, the reason behind the rule does not apply because the court already
    knows that ‘reasonable cause’ to invoke the privilege exists.” Id. at 583 (quoting Bates, 
    552 F.3d at 476
    ). But in either instance, the district court must “actually decide whether [the] witness’
    silence is justified.” Highgate, 
    521 F.3d at 594
     (quotation omitted).
    The district court has not made such a decision here. It has neither conducted a question-
    by-question inquiry nor concluded that appellants would invoke the privilege in response to
    every question asked. While the district court allowed appellants to invoke the privilege at the
    now-finished trial, this was merely a practical acknowledgement that appellants were not going
    to testify, notwithstanding the district court’s opinion to the contrary. It did not flow from a
    determination that appellants are actually eligible to invoke the privilege, as we determine today.
    And while the district court appears to have recognized the overlap between appellants’
    testimony and the pending criminal prosecutions, Sherrod, Teed, Vanderhagen & Ware,
    
    2022 WL 834009
     at *3 (“Because movants are under criminal indictment for the very conduct at
    issue in this civil case, there is no question that they would ordinarily be entitled to their
    silence.”), this passing comment is no substitute for the decision required. Even if the district
    court’s comment indicates that appellants can and will invoke the privilege as to every question
    posed to them, that court nonetheless retains its discretion to call appellants to testify and
    conduct a Fifth Amendment analysis on the stand. Because we are a “a court of review, not first
    view,” Taylor v. City of Saginaw, 
    11 F.4th 483
    , 489 (6th Cir. 2021) (citation omitted), we
    remand the issue of whether appellants are entitled to a blanket assertion of the privilege to the
    district court to decide in the first instance.
    IV.
    In our adversarial justice system, a party has the responsibility to “produce the evidence
    against [another] by its own independent labors.” Miranda v. Arizona, 
    384 U.S. 436
    , 460 (1966).
    The Fifth Amendment is thus grounded on this “overriding thought:” that a witness “is
    guaranteed the right ‘to remain silent unless he chooses to speak in the unfettered exercise of his
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    own will.’” 
    Id.
     (quoting Malloy, 
    378 U.S. at 8
    .). Appellants here voluntarily waived their
    privilege by sitting for their depositions, and appellees had the opportunity to determine the
    scope of that waiver through cross-examination. But once that testimonial event concluded, the
    Fifth Amendment again protected appellants, absent a further waiver.           We thus hold that
    appellants’ deposition waivers did not waive the privilege at trial because the waiver extended
    only through the end of cross-examination at their depositions.
    Therefore, we vacate the district court’s order denying the motions to quash and remand
    for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.
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    ____________________________________________________
    CONCURRING IN PART AND IN THE JUDGMENT
    ____________________________________________________
    THAPAR, J., concurring in the introduction, section III.G, and section IV of Judge
    Griffin’s opinion and in the judgment.
    This appeal presents two questions. First: Is this case moot? For the reasons below, I
    conclude it is and would hold we lack jurisdiction. But my colleagues hold we have jurisdiction,
    so we must proceed to the second question:             Are appellants entitled to invoke their Fifth
    Amendment right to remain silent at trial, or did they waive that right by testifying at their
    depositions? Because appellants’ waiver extends only through cross-examination, appellants can
    invoke the Fifth Amendment when called to testify anew at trial. Thus, I agree with Judge
    Griffin on the bottom line. I write separately, however, to explain my thinking on both mootness
    and the merits.
    I.
    Jurisdiction first. In my view, this case is moot. Thus, I would vacate the district court’s
    order denying the motion to quash and remand with instructions to dismiss as moot. See United
    States v. Munsingwear, 
    340 U.S. 36
    , 39–41 (1950).
    The procedural history is key to the mootness question here. Appellants are government
    officials called to testify as non-party witnesses in the civil litigation concerning the Flint Water
    Crisis. Invoking the Fifth Amendment, appellants moved to quash subpoenas compelling their
    testimony at trial. The district court denied the motions, but the witnesses still refused to testify.
    Rather than holding the witnesses in contempt, the district court certified the Fifth Amendment
    question underlying the motions to quash for our review.
    One problem: The subpoenas applied to the underlying trial. See Fed. R. Civ. P.
    45(a)(ii)–(iii). And that trial is now over. That means the subpoenas at issue can no longer be
    used to compel appellants to testify. Without subpoenas to quash, “it is impossible for [our]
    court to grant any effectual relief whatever.” Chafin v. Chafin, 
    568 U.S. 165
    , 172 (2013). Thus,
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    this case is moot unless saved by an “exception” to mootness doctrine. On this much, my
    colleagues and I all agree.
    Unlike my colleagues, I do not believe the “capable-of-repetition-yet-evading-review”
    exception saves the day. That exception applies only if (1) the challenged action can’t be fully
    litigated before it expires (evading review), and (2) there’s a “reasonable expectation that the
    same complaining party would be subjected to the same action again” (capable of repetition).
    Weinstein v. Bradford, 
    423 U.S. 147
    , 149 (1975).1 Here, all agree this case is capable of
    repetition: Indeed, appellees confirm they plan to subpoena these same government witnesses in
    future bellwether trials. So the sole question is whether the Fifth Amendment question evades
    review.
    It does not. Evading-review analysis is forward looking. See 13C Charles A. Wright &
    Arthur R. Miller, Federal Practice and Procedure §§ 3533.8, 3533.8.2 (3d ed.). And here, even
    if the Fifth Amendment question evaded review in this case, there are multiple routes for
    effective review in the future.
    For one, the district court could stay the proceedings. An issue does not “evade review”
    when the appealing party can seek a stay. See United States v. Taylor, 
    8 F.3d 1074
    , 1076–77
    (6th Cir. 1993). In this case, appellants never moved to stay the proceedings pending appeal.
    But they could have and can in the next case.
    For another, the district court could hold appellants in contempt. If held in contempt,
    appellants could “obtain full review of [their] claims before undertaking any burden of
    compliance with the subpoena.” United States v. Ryan, 
    402 U.S. 530
    , 533 (1971) (explaining the
    proper route to interlocutory appeal of a motion to quash is from a contempt order). Either of
    these avenues would suffice for appellate review in the next case.
    My colleagues dismiss these possibilities. They predict that future litigation will proceed
    too quickly to ensure effective review. But timing alone is insufficient to satisfy the evading-
    1
    While some have suggested the evading-review prong is merely prudential, we’re bound by circuit
    precedent to treat both prongs of the exception’s test as justified by Article III. Compare Honig v. Doe, 
    484 U.S. 305
    , 341 (1988) (Scalia, J., dissenting), with Kentucky v. U.S. ex rel. Hagel, 
    759 F.3d 588
    , 596 n.3 (6th Cir. 2014).
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    review prong. What matters is whether there’s something “inherent in the type of injury alleged”
    that deprives the parties and the district court of an opportunity to preserve the question for
    review. In re Kulp Foundry, Inc., 
    691 F.2d 1125
    , 1130 (3d Cir. 1982). In the future bellwether
    trials in this matter, the district court has the needed tools to allow for effective review before
    mootness occurs. It is true this may not be the most efficient route. But efficiency is not an
    exception to Article III.
    Finally, my colleagues emphasize fairness concerns.            They note appellants acted
    diligently and suggest appellants deserve a decision on the merits since the mootness problem is
    not their fault. But mootness frequently occurs through no fault of either party. If it occurs
    while an appeal is pending, the proper remedy is vacatur, which “clears the path for future
    relitigation of the issues.” Munsingwear, 340 U.S. at 40. And fairness alone does not justify
    exercising judicial authority when jurisdiction is lacking.
    Thus, this case is moot and no exception can rescue it. But my colleagues conclude
    otherwise. They then proceed to part ways on the merits. That puts me in a curious position.
    I don’t think we should proceed to the merits at all. But if I say nothing on the merits, the court
    would (1) hold we have jurisdiction, and then (2) fail to decide the case. That we cannot do. See
    Cohens v. Virginia, 
    19 U.S. (6 Wheat.) 264
    , 404 (1821) (Marshall, C.J.) (“We have no more
    right to decline the exercise of jurisdiction which is given, than to usurp that which is not
    given.”). Another way to think of it is as if we were filing two opinions. If the panel decided the
    mootness question in one opinion, I would have dissented. But losing that issue would not
    excuse me from participating in the next appeal. Because we must adjudicate the case in front of
    us, I assume, “as I must in light of the [majority’s] decision, that the Court does have jurisdiction
    of the appeal.” United States v. Vuitch, 
    402 U.S. 62
    , 98 (1971) (Blackmun, J., concurring in part
    and concurring in the judgment).
    II.
    The Fifth Amendment provides that “[n]o person . . . shall be compelled in any criminal
    case to be a witness against himself.” U.S. Const. amend. V. Text and history reveal that when
    answering a question might subject a witness to criminal liability, he may either invoke or waive
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    his right to remain silent. But when he waives his right, that waiver doesn’t last forever: It lasts
    only through cross-examination. Thus, appellants’ waivers at their depositions don’t extend to
    trial.
    A.
    When analyzing the rights enshrined in our Constitution, we often start with English
    common law. Why? Because that’s where many of those rights originated. In some instances,
    the American founding fathers sought to protect rights recognized at common law. See, e.g.,
    Ramos v. Louisiana, 
    140 S. Ct. 1390
    , 1395–96 (2020) (discussing common-law origins of the
    Sixth Amendment jury-trial right); Bucklew v. Precythe, 
    139 S. Ct. 1112
    , 1127 (2019)
    (discussing common-law origins of the Eighth Amendment prohibition on cruel and unusual
    punishment). In other instances, the failure to protect certain rights in England revealed the
    necessity of protecting those rights in our written Constitution. See, e.g., Morgan v. Fairfield
    Cnty., 
    903 F.3d 553
    , 569–70 (6th Cir. 2018) (Thapar, J., concurring in part and dissenting in
    part) (discussing “oppressive English search practices that inspired the founding generation to
    adopt the Fourth Amendment”).
    The English had good reason to be concerned about compulsory self-incrimination. Both
    the English ecclesiastical courts and the Court of the Star Chamber employed the “ex officio
    oath,” requiring an accused to swear to answer truthfully all questions that might be put to him—
    without knowing what those questions might be. See John H. Langbein, The Historical Origins
    of the Privilege Against Self-Incrimination at Common Law, 
    92 Mich. L. Rev. 1047
    , 1073
    (1994); see also Jones v. SEC, 
    298 U.S. 1
    , 28 (1936) (recognizing “compulsory self-accusation”
    as “among those intolerable abuses of the Star Chamber, which brought that institution to an
    end”). This was especially problematic for religious dissenters, as they were “typically guilty of
    the nonconformist religious practices for which they were being investigated.” Langbein, supra,
    at 1073. Anyone who refused this “inquisitional oath” could be held in contempt, imprisoned,
    and even tortured. See id. at 1073, 1084–85; see also R. Carter Pittman, The Colonial and
    Constitutional History of the Privilege Against Self-Incrimination in America, 
    21 Va. L. Rev. 763
    , 773, 778 (1935).
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    Many English citizens suffered under this oath. But one English dissenter named John
    Lilburne—also known as “Freeborn John” for his spirited defenses of the rights of Englishmen—
    is often credited for drawing the public’s focus to the importance of the right against self-
    incrimination and the injustice of the oath procedure. See E.M. Morgan, The Privilege Against
    Self-Incrimination, 
    34 Minn. L. Rev. 1
    , 9 (1949); John H. Wigmore, Privilege Against Self-
    Crimination; Its History, 
    15 Harv. L. Rev. 610
    , 624–26 (1902). In 1637, Lilburne was accused
    of importing seditious books from Holland. Brought before the Star Chamber, he refused to
    answer incriminating questions under oath and decried “the injustice of forcing a man to be the
    means of his own undoing.” Leonard W. Levy, Origins of the Fifth Amendment 271 (2d ed.
    1986).2 The court found him guilty of contempt. See Lilburne’s Case, 3 How. St. Tr. 1315 (Star
    Chamber 1637).
    Lilburne’s sentence was severe:            On a two-mile walk from prison to a pillory at
    Westminster, he was tied to the back of a cart, stripped to the waist, and whipped every few
    steps. At Westminster—beaten nearly to death, head clamped in the pillory—he addressed the
    gathered crowd at length about their freeborn rights. He explained the Star Chamber oath was
    “absolutely against the law of God; for that law requires no man to accuse himself.” Levy,
    supra, at 277. But Lilburne’s suffering was not in vain. Some years later, the House of Lords
    granted Lilburne reparation and vacated his sentence, declaring it “illegal, and most unjust,
    against the liberty of the subject and law of the land.” Wigmore, supra, at 625. And for his
    fellow countrymen, Lilburne’s advocacy helped secure the right against compulsory self-
    incrimination at English common law.
    The English legal tradition shaped the founding generation’s understanding and
    appreciation of the right against compulsory self-incrimination. See, e.g., Federal Farmer No.
    VI, in 2 The Complete Anti-Federalist 262 (Herbert J. Storing ed. 1981) (calling the right
    2
    Historians debate whether the right against compulsory self-incrimination was an English invention (as
    Leonard Levy contends) or a European one. See Langbein, supra, at 1072 (describing scholarly debate); see also
    Leonard W. Levy, Origins of the Fifth Amendment and Its Critics, 
    19 Cardozo L. Rev. 821
     (1997) (responding to
    criticism). But wherever the right originated, the English common-law tradition informed the right in America. See
    R.H. Helmholz, Origins of the Privilege Against Self-Incrimination: The Role of the European Ius Commune, 
    65 N.Y.U. L. Rev. 962
    , 989–90 (1990) (“The privilege became a part of our law because the common lawyers took up
    its cause, embraced, and expanded it. In this sense Levy is of course right to focus on the English common law.”).
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    “unalienable or fundamental”); see also Brown v. Walker, 
    161 U.S. 591
    , 596–97 (1896)
    (discussing the influence of English common-law right at the founding). Indeed, eight of the
    original states included protections against compulsory self-incrimination in their founding-era
    constitutions. See United States v. Hubbell, 
    530 U.S. 27
    , 52 (2000) (Thomas, J., concurring).
    The Commonwealth of Virginia led the way in 1776, providing that no man could “be compelled
    to give evidence against himself.” 
    Id.
     (quoting Virginia Declaration of Rights § 8 (1776)). The
    states that followed all likewise framed the right as one against being compelled to “give
    evidence” or “furnish evidence” against oneself. See id.
    Then came time to ratify the federal Constitution. Many feared that nothing in the new
    Constitution prevented the use of torture to extract a man’s confession—a practice associated
    with tyranny. See, e.g., Remarks by Patrick Henry in the Virginia Debates, in 3 The Debates in
    the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution 447–48 (Jonathan
    Elliot ed., 1891) (hereinafter “Elliot”). George Mason, who had drafted the Virginian self-
    incrimination clause, explained that a clause “provid[ing] that no man can give evidence against
    himself” would protect against such evils. Id. at 452. Other Anti-Federalists agreed: Just as it
    had been necessary to include such protections in the state constitutions, it was “necessary under
    the general government” to declare that no man shall “be compelled to accuse, or furnish
    evidence against himself.” Brutus No. 2, in 2 The Complete Anti-Federalist 374–75 (Herbert J.
    Storing ed. 1981).
    In response, James Madison drafted the Fifth Amendment’s Self-Incrimination Clause.
    His precise phrasing was a “linguistic innovation.” Richard A. Nagareda, Compulsion “to Be a
    Witness” and the Resurrection of Boyd, 
    74 N.Y.U. L. Rev. 1575
    , 1605 (1999). But Madison’s
    unique formulation was likely “synonymous with” the phrasing in the state constitutions and the
    states’ proposals for the federal Bill of Rights. Hubbell, 
    530 U.S. at 53
     (Thomas, J., concurring).
    And like its state-constitution forerunners, the Fifth Amendment’s Self-Incrimination Clause
    incorporated its “common-law backdrop.” 
    Id. at 52
    ; see also 3 Joseph Story, Commentaries on
    the Constitution of the United States § 1782 (1st ed. 1833).
    By including the Self-Incrimination Clause in the Bill of Rights, the framers affirmed that
    the American system of justice would reject the historic abuses of the Star Chamber and “that
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    diabolical institution, the Inquisition.” Remarks by Abraham Holmes in the Massachusetts
    Debates, in 2 Elliot, supra, at 111. More than anything, the Self-Incrimination Clause reflects
    the framers’ “judgment that in a free society, based on respect for the individual, the
    determination of guilt or innocence by just procedures, in which the accused made no unwilling
    contribution to his conviction, was more important than punishing the guilty.” Levy, supra, at
    432.
    B.
    While the Fifth Amendment’s text tells us what right the framers secured, history
    illuminates how the protection against compulsory self-incrimination was understood to operate
    in practice. See McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Comm’n, 
    514 U.S. 334
    , 378 (1995) (Scalia, J.,
    dissenting) (“Where the meaning of a constitutional text . . . is unclear, the widespread and long-
    accepted practices of the American people are the best indication of what fundamental beliefs it
    was intended to enshrine.”). In two famous cases, Chief Justice John Marshall understood the
    right to apply when a witness’s answer might subject him to potential criminal liability. He
    further understood that witnesses invoke the privilege on a question-by-question basis.
    First, in Marbury v. Madison, 
    5 U.S. (1 Cranch) 137
     (1803), a handful of judges
    nominated by outgoing President John Adams accused the new Jefferson administration of
    preventing them from taking office by withholding their commissions to the bench. Before the
    Supreme Court, Marbury’s counsel, Charles Lee, called to the stand Attorney General Levi
    Lincoln, who had been entrusted with the commissions. Lincoln objected to answering some of
    Lee’s questions, arguing that he “ought not to be compelled to answer any thing which might
    tend to criminate himself.” Id. at 144. Chief Justice Marshall agreed that Lincoln was not
    “obliged to state any thing which would criminate himself.” Id. Lincoln ultimately agreed to
    answer all but one question—what had been done with the commissions. The Court concluded
    “he was not bound to say.” Id. at 145. Lincoln may have burned the commissions. See Levy, 19
    Cardozo L. Rev. at 859. But the Court recognized Lincoln’s right to keep that information to
    himself.
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    Second, a few years later, Chief Justice Marshall presided over the trial of Aaron Burr.
    See United States v. Burr, 
    25 F. Cas. 38
     (C.C.D. Va. 1807). After Burr assembled a small army
    to secede, President Jefferson ordered his arrest for treason.        Before the grand jury, the
    government asked Burr’s private secretary, Charles Willie, if he understood a coded letter that
    might contain evidence of treason. Willie declined to answer on grounds that answering might
    incriminate himself. See id. at 40 (“To know and conceal the treason of another is misprision of
    treason, and is punishable by law.”). Chief Justice Marshall concluded the privilege didn’t
    apply, because the government’s particular question “refer[red] only to the present knowledge of
    the cipher,” which alone couldn’t be used to prosecute Willie. Id.; see also Orin S. Kerr,
    Decryption Originalism: The Lessons of Burr, 
    134 Harv. L. Rev. 905
    , 944–45 (2021). So Willie
    had to answer.
    While these cases alone are not determinative, they do demonstrate how the privilege
    against self-incrimination operated at the founding.      They show that the right applies if a
    witness’s answer might subject him to potential criminal liability. See, e.g., Burr, 25 F. Cas. at
    39 (“There may be questions no direct answer to which could, in any degree, affect [the witness];
    and there is no case which goes so far as to say that he is not bound to answer such questions.”).
    And they demonstrate that a witness’s invocation of the privilege is evaluated on a question-by-
    question basis—an approach our precedent likewise endorses. See, e.g., United States v. Mahar,
    
    801 F.2d 1477
    , 1495–97 (6th Cir. 1986).
    C.
    “Like most rights, the right secured by the [Self-Incrimination Clause] is not unlimited.”
    District of Columbia v. Heller, 
    554 U.S. 570
    , 626 (2008) (interpreting the right secured by the
    Second Amendment). The text itself includes a limitation relevant here: The Self-Incrimination
    Clause “does not prohibit all self-incrimination but only compelled self-incrimination.” Akhil
    Reed Amar & Renée B. Lettow, Fifth Amendment First Principles: The Self-Incrimination
    Clause, 
    93 Mich. L. Rev. 857
    , 865 (1995). And there’s nothing compulsory about a witness
    volunteering to testify against himself. From this we get the “waiver rule,” which provides that
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    to the extent a witness has waived his right to remain silent, he can be compelled to provide an
    incriminating answer.3
    Historical practice reveals the waiver rule’s contours. See N.Y. State Rifle & Pistol
    Assoc. v. Bruen, 
    142 S. Ct. 2111
    , 2128 (2022) (endorsing reliance on “historical understanding of
    the Amendment to demark the limits on the exercise of th[e] right”). For more than a century,
    courts repeatedly recited the same basic rule, in only slightly varying formulations: Voluntary
    disclosure of a criminal transaction waives the privilege as to the details of that same criminal
    transaction. But only that transaction—no others.4 See, e.g., Low v. Mitchell, 
    18 Me. 372
    , 374
    (1841). Thus, if the witness “consents to testify to one matter tending to criminate himself, he
    must testify fully in all respects relative to that matter so far as material to the issue. If he waives
    the privilege, he does so fully in relation to that act.” 
    Id.
     “But he does not thereby waive his
    privilege of refusing to reveal other unlawful acts, wholly unconnected with the act, of which he
    has spoken, even though they may be material to the issue.” 
    Id.
    History reveals a temporal limit, too. Early cases that faced this question and specified a
    limit identified cross-examination as the relevant stopping point. See, e.g, State v. K., 
    4 N.H. 562
    , 563 (1829) (explaining that once a witness waives his privilege with respect to “a particular
    fact in favor of the respondent, he will be bound, on his cross examination, to state all the
    circumstances relating to that fact”).5 To be sure, some nineteenth-century cases discussing
    3
    Here, “waiver” is a bit of a misnomer: So long as he testifies voluntarily, a witness may unintentionally
    give up his right to remain silent, simply by failing to assert it. See 1 McCormick on Evid. § 133 (8th ed.); see also
    Elhady v. Unidentified CBP Agents, 
    18 F.4th 880
    , 884 n.2 (6th Cir. 2021) (“[W]aiver is affirmative and intentional,
    whereas forfeiture is a more passive failure to make the timely assertion of a right.” (quotation omitted)).
    4
    I use “transaction” because it tracks the terminology across numerous early sources. See, e.g., Dixon v.
    Vale (1824) 171 Eng. Rep. 1195, 1195 (“[following waiver, the witness] is bound to answer all questions relative to
    that transaction”); Foster v. Pierce, 
    65 Mass. (11 Cush.) 437
    , 437–38 (1853) (similar); Coburn v. Odell, 
    30 N.H. 540
    (1855) (similar); 1 Simon Greenleaf, Treatise on the Law of Evidence § 451 (Rees Welsh & Co. ed. 1896) (similar).
    Some contemporaneous cases used criminal “act” or “matter” seemingly as a substitute for “transaction.” See, e.g.,
    Chamberlain v. Willson, 
    12 Vt. 491
    , 493 (1840) (“matter”); Low, 
    18 Me. at 374
     (using both “matter” and “act”);
    Commonwealth v. Price, 
    76 Mass. 472
     (1858) (“matter”). The terminology raises an additional question: Once
    there’s a waiver, what constitutes the criminal “transaction” over which that waiver extends? That question is not
    before us given our conclusion that appellants did not waive their rights for trial. But it may well arise in future
    cases.
    5
    See also, e.g., East v. Chapman (1827) 172 Eng. Rep. 259, 261 (“[O]n his cross-examination . . . [the
    witness] appealed to the Court to say if he was bound to answer. [The Court replied:] I think, having given
    evidence, you must answer the question.”); Chamberlain, 
    12 Vt. at 493
     (1840) (“[I]f he submit to testify about the
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    waiver failed to specify for how long that waiver lasted. But not even those cases extended a
    witness’s waiver beyond cross-examination.
    In short, when a witness waives his right to remain silent, that waiver extends (1) only to
    the details of the specific criminal transactions the witness voluntarily disclosed, and (2) only
    through the end of cross-examination.
    The rule supplied by historical practice makes sense given the Fifth Amendment’s
    background and the context in which it was enacted. The framers sought to protect individual
    liberty from tyrannical government. That liberty included a witness’s voluntary choice to risk
    prosecution by revealing his involvement in a crime. It would be up to the witness to evaluate
    the risk and make a choice. But if a witness’s admission of one criminal transaction would allow
    the government to compel his admission of other criminal transactions, perhaps even ones the
    witness didn’t expect to be asked about, by what means could the witness meaningfully evaluate
    the risk? Cf. Coburn v. Odell, 
    30 N.H. 540
    , 566 (1855). So too if waiver were understood to
    extend beyond cross-examination—for example, from a deposition on one date to a trial months
    later. That’s because after a witness has testified once, testifying again almost always exposes a
    witness to the new risk of “reveal[ing] other unlawful acts, wholly unconnected with the act, of
    which he has spoken.” Low, 
    18 Me. at 374
    . Every time he takes a subsequent oath, a witness
    “risks the possibility of perjury charges in addition to any risk he may face for prosecution for
    non-perjury offenses suggested by his testimony.” In re Morganroth, 
    718 F.2d 161
    , 166 (6th
    Cir. 1983). Even if the questions are identical the second time around, the witness faces new
    very matter tending to criminate himself, without claiming his privilege, he must submit to a full cross-
    examination.”); Foster, 65 Mass. at 439 (same); Price, 
    76 Mass. at 476
     (similar); Town of Norfolk v. Gaylord, 
    28 Conn. 309
    , 312–13 (1859) (“[I]f he voluntarily testifies in chief, he waives his privilege, and must submit to the
    consequent cross-examination.”); Connors v. People, 
    50 N.Y. 240
    , 242 (1872) (similar); State v. Wentworth, 
    65 Me. 234
    , 240 (1875) (“The defendant . . . waived his constitutional privilege. He then subjected himself to the peril
    consequent upon a cross-examination as to all matters pertinent to the issue.”); Lockett v. State, 
    63 Ala. 5
    , 11 (1879)
    (“It can not be tolerated that a person testifying, after stating material facts bearing upon the case, and favorable to
    one party, shall, when cross-examined in reference to the same subject, decline answering by reason of his privilege
    not to incriminate himself.”); People v. Freshour, 
    55 Cal. 375
     (1880) (“[W]hen a witness voluntarily testifies in
    chief on a particular subject, he may be cross-examined on that subject, even though his answers may criminate or
    disgrace him.”); Ex parte Senior, 
    37 Fla. 1
    , 22 (1896) (“[I]f a witness, with full knowledge of his rights, consents to
    testify about the very matter that may criminate him, without claiming his privilege, he must submit to a full,
    legitimate cross-examination in reference thereto.”).
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    danger.     The limitations history supplies mitigate that risk, consistent with the founders’
    understanding of the right.
    *     *       *
    Applying the foregoing to the instant case, the text and history reveal that the appellants
    can invoke their right to remain silent at trial because their waivers don’t extend beyond cross-
    examination at their depositions. On remand, the district court should analyze the questions
    appellees propose to ask and determine whether appellants’ invocation of the Fifth Amendment
    in response to specific questions is justified.
    III.
    There are, of course, other ways to analyze the question presented in this case. But those
    analyses are not grounded in text and history. Nor do they supply sufficient reason to disregard
    appellants’ right to remain silent at trial.
    A.
    One way to resolve this case is by employing what I’ll call the “proceeding-specific
    rule,” but I would not endorse that rule or rely on it to alter my conclusion. The rule provides
    that “[a] witness’s loss of the privilege by testifying applies throughout but not beyond the
    ‘proceeding’ in which the witness gave the incriminating testimony.” McCormick on Evid.
    § 133 (emphasis added). And it directs us to inquire: What counts as a single proceeding?
    That question is a red herring. Having established the waiver extends only through cross-
    examination, history tells us what questions we have left to ask: What criminal transactions has
    the witness voluntarily disclosed, if any? What risks of prosecution has he assumed as a result?
    By answering those questions, we can determine how far a witness’s waiver extends. Focusing
    instead on the meaning of “proceeding” distorts the Fifth Amendment’s protections.
    So if figuring out the meaning of “proceeding” is asking the wrong question, why ask it?
    Some twentieth-century caselaw is to blame. Throughout much of the twentieth century, most
    courts properly understood that a waiver at one time didn’t extend to another. See, e.g., In re
    Neff, 
    206 F.2d 149
    , 152 (3d Cir. 1953) (“[W]hether or not [the witness] may claim [the privilege]
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    is to be determined without reference to what he said when testifying as a witness on some other
    trial, or on a former trial of the same case, and without reference to his declarations at some other
    time or place.”); John Henry Wigmore, Wigmore’s Code of the Rules of Evidence in Trials at
    Law § 2377–78 (3d ed. 1942) (“A waiver by taking the stand (1) at one trial is not a waiver for a
    later trial, (2) and a waiver at a preliminary and separate proceeding is not a waiver for the main
    trial.”).
    But as too often occurs, key language lost its context. Two Supreme Court cases reveal
    what went wrong. First came Rogers v. United States, 
    340 U.S. 367
     (1951), involving a former
    Treasurer of the Denver Communist Party. Before a grand jury, Rogers freely admitted her
    involvement in the Communist Party—an admission which “tend[ed] to criminate [her] under the
    Smith Act.” 
    Id. at 372
    . But she refused to name her successor. Rogers testified twice during the
    grand jury proceedings: The first time, she declined to answer because she didn’t want to get
    someone else in trouble. See 
    id. at 368
    . The second time, she invoked the privilege against self-
    incrimination to justify her refusal. 
    Id. at 370
    . Both times, she was willing to disclose her own
    incriminating conduct but unwilling to incriminate another. See 
    id. at 381
    . The Supreme Court
    held that the Fifth Amendment “would not justify her refusal” to name her successor. 
    Id. at 371
    .
    And even assuming the privilege could justify Rogers’s silence, the Court concluded she had
    waived it: After her “admission that she held the office of Treasurer of the Communist Party of
    Denver, disclosure of acquaintance with her successor presents no more than a ‘mere imaginary
    possibility’ of increasing the danger of prosecution.” 
    Id.
     at 374–75 (quotations omitted); see also
    
    id. at 373
     (“Disclosure of a fact waives the privilege as to details.”).
    Later came Mitchell v. United States, 
    526 U.S. 314
     (1999), in which the Supreme Court
    held that a defendant’s waiver of her Fifth Amendment right at a plea hearing did not extend to
    her sentencing hearing. See 
    id. at 321
    . That holding is consistent with original understanding
    and solidifies the long-admitted intuition that a witness needn’t testify to the same thing he
    testified to earlier. But writing for the Court, Justice Kennedy cited Rogers for the “well-
    established” proposition that “a witness, in a single proceeding, may not testify voluntarily about
    a subject and then invoke the privilege against self-incrimination when questioned about the
    details.” 
    Id.
     (emphasis added). That phrasing shifted the inquiry. Whereas our task used to be
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    defining the scope of a waiver within one instance of testimony, it’s become defining the
    meaning of “proceeding” to determine whether a waiver at one time extends to another. See,
    e.g., McCormick on Evid. § 133.
    Neither Rogers nor Mitchell requires us to endorse this “proceeding-specific rule.” The
    Rogers Court held only that the witness’s refusal to name her successor was not covered by the
    privilege. See 340 U.S. at 371–72. And the Mitchell Court held only that the defendant’s waiver
    at a plea hearing did not extend to her sentencing hearing. See 
    526 U.S. at 321
    . Neither holding
    extends the waiver from one testimonial event to another.            So I would not accept the
    “proceeding-specific rule” at face value. Nor would I apply it to deprive the witnesses here of
    their right to remain silent at trial.
    B.
    Policy rationales don’t compel a different conclusion either.       Of course, our policy
    judgments must bow to those enshrined in the Constitution. And neither policy rationale put
    forward in this case supplies a reason to disregard the Fifth Amendment’s text and history.
    1.
    One is the “distortion-of-truth” rationale. Because a witness prevents the factfinder from
    hearing at least some aspect of the truth after invoking the privilege to remain silent, proponents
    of this rationale seek to stretch the legal framework by requiring fuller disclosure. And they
    have some Supreme Court backing. Precedent recognizes that the Fifth Amendment shouldn’t
    become a “tool” to manipulate the truth. See, e.g., Mitchell, 
    526 U.S. at 322
    ; Rogers, 
    340 U.S. at 371
    ; Brown v. United States, 
    356 U.S. 148
    , 156 (1958). But here, there are at least three reasons
    to hesitate before relying on this rationale to conclude appellants’ waiver extends from
    deposition to trial.
    First, the distortion-of-truth rationale is a relatively recent invention. Earlier in our
    history, witnesses could claim the Fifth Amendment’s “protection at any stage of the inquiry
    whether he has already answered the question in part, or not at all.” 1 Simon Greenleaf, Treatise
    on the Law of Evidence § 451 (Rees Welsch & Co. ed. 1896). A witness who invokes his right
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    to remain silent halfway through answering a question will surely give the jury a less-than-
    complete look at the truth. But before the mid-twentieth century, courts seemed less troubled by
    that possibility. See McIntyre, 
    514 U.S. at
    372–74 (Scalia, J., dissenting) (recognizing evidence
    of historical practice “at the time of adoption” as more probative than “more modern
    phenomen[a]”). And even when the Supreme Court has expressed concerns about a witness’s
    ability to distort the truth, the Court has never held that a waiver extends from deposition to trial.
    See, e.g., Brown, 
    356 U.S. at 156
    .
    Second, district courts have various tools to prevent parties from benefitting by distorting
    the truth. See 
    id. at 160
     (Black, J., dissenting). For example, a court may strike a witness’s
    testimony and instruct the jury to disregard it. When “prejudice to the opposing party [is]
    extreme and irremediable the court might even enter judgment in [the opposing party’s] favor.”
    
    Id.
     By such means, the district court can ensure a fair trial without “treat[ing the witness] as
    having waived his privilege[.]” 
    Id.
     True, even careful case management can’t stop parties from
    gaming the discovery process with the Fifth Amendment.6 But our job is to apply the rule the
    Fifth Amendment supplies—even if we find it wanting.
    Third, it’s true the founders recognized the virtue of getting to the truth. But they also
    limited the tools our government can use to get there, recognizing other interests at play. The
    Fifth Amendment itself is just one example of such limitations; the Fourth Amendment is
    another. Looking to text and history provides a way to uncover the balance the Constitution
    struck between these competing interests. And this method provides greater stability than any
    method that relies solely on judicial evaluations of what makes good policy sense.
    2.
    A second policy justification might be named the “fairness rationale” or “reason-to-know
    rule.” The basic idea: It’s fair to hold a witness to an earlier waiver if he made “testimonial,
    incriminating statements” and “plainly ha[d] reason to know, when he [did] so, that these
    6
    And here, of course, appellants have not gamed the discovery process. Each of the appellants agreed to be
    deposed between May and September 2020. At that time, no appellant was under indictment. But by the time they
    were called to testify at the first bellwether trial, all five appellants had been indicted.
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    statements may be interpreted as a waiver of his fifth amendment privilege against self-
    incrimination.” Klein v. Harris, 
    667 F.2d 274
    , 288 (2d Cir. 1981).
    There are several problems with this rationale. For one, it disregards the risk of further
    incrimination witnesses face each time they testify.        For another, it lacks a clear limiting
    principle: If what matters is whether the witness had “reason to know” he was waiving his
    privilege, why draw the line at “single proceeding,” instead of holding the witness to his waiver
    indefinitely?
    Finally, this “fairness rationale” is just another policy judgment incapable of displacing
    the policy judgment the People enshrined in the Fifth Amendment’s text. It may well be in the
    interest of fairness to indefinitely hold a witness to a waiver he had “reason to know” he was
    making. But we’re bound to follow the rules supplied by the Constitution, whether we like them
    or not.
    IV.
    The text and history of the Fifth Amendment make clear that witnesses may invoke their
    right against compulsory self-incrimination when answering might expose them to criminal
    liability. And once a witness waives his right to remain silent, that waiver extends (1) only to the
    details of the specific criminal transactions disclosed, and (2) only through the end of cross-
    examination.      By focusing on “proceeding” and policy concerns, courts have unjustifiably
    expanded the scope of waiver and contracted the protection of the right. Honoring the founders’
    understanding today compels the conclusion that appellants may invoke the Fifth Amendment at
    trial. Such a conclusion would be uncontroversial then, as it should be now.
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    ______________________________________________________
    CONCURRING IN PART AND DISSENTING IN PART
    ______________________________________________________
    KAREN NELSON MOORE, Circuit Judge, concurring in part and dissenting in part.
    Tens of thousands of residents of Flint, Michigan were impacted by exposure to lead and
    other contamination in the city’s water supply. In the wake of what is now infamously known as
    the Flint Water Crisis, plaintiffs in this case, four minor children, brought civil suits against a
    group of public officials and two water engineering firms allegedly involved in the debacle.
    During discovery, plaintiffs deposed five officials who are the appellants in this case: former
    Governor Richard Snyder; his advisor, Richard Baird; two former City of Flint Emergency
    Managers, Darnell Earley and Gerald Ambrose; and the former City of Flint Director of Public
    Works, Howard D. Croft. All sat and answered questions for hours. None invoked their Fifth
    Amendment privilege against self-incrimination.       After being deposed, however, these five
    officials were indicted on various charges stemming from the Crisis. That led each official to
    change their mind and invoke their Fifth Amendment privileges at the civil trial, which has since
    ended in a mistrial.
    This interlocutory appeal raises the question of whether the fact that the appellants
    testified in their respective depositions resulted in their having waived their Fifth Amendment
    privileges for the civil trial on the subject matter about which they previously testified. The
    district court determined that they did. See Sherrod, Teed, Vanderhagen & Ware v. VNA, No.
    5:17-CV-10164-JEL-KGA, 
    2022 WL 834009
     (E.D. Mich. Mar. 21, 2022). Although I agree
    with Judge Griffin that the issue is not moot, and concur in section II of his opinion, I write
    separately because I believe that the district court did not err in determining that the appellants
    waived their Fifth Amendment privileges. I therefore respectfully dissent.
    A. Fifth Amendment Principles
    To understand why the district court did not err requires a wide-ranging tour of Fifth
    Amendment doctrine. The Fifth Amendment provides that “[n]o person . . . shall be compelled
    in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.” U.S. Const. amend. V. “The privilege
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    afforded not only extends to answers that would in themselves support a conviction under a
    federal criminal statute but likewise embraces those which would furnish a link in the chain of
    evidence needed to prosecute the claimant for a . . . crime.” Hoffman v. United States, 
    341 U.S. 479
    , 486 (1951). In accordance with this logic, the privilege extends beyond when a person is
    “involuntarily called as a witness against himself in a criminal prosecution” and “also privileges
    him not to answer questions put to him in any other proceeding, civil or criminal, formal or
    informal, where the answers might incriminate him in future criminal proceedings.” In re
    Morganroth, 
    718 F.2d 161
    , 164–65 (6th Cir. 1983).
    This privilege, however, can be waived. “It is well established that a witness, in a single
    proceeding, may not testify voluntarily about a subject and then invoke the privilege against self-
    incrimination when questioned about the details.” Mitchell v. United States, 
    526 U.S. 314
    , 321
    (1999) (emphasis added). (I will return to the significance of the emphasized phrase below.)
    Instead, “[t]he privilege is waived for the matters to which the witness testifies, and the scope of
    the ‘waiver is determined by the scope of relevant cross-examination.’” 
    Id.
     (quoting Brown v.
    United States, 
    356 U.S. 148
    , 154–55 (1958)). Aside from live testimony, courts have also held
    that discovery and evidentiary materials, such as affidavits, operate “like other testimonial
    statements to raise the possibility that the witness has waived the Fifth Amendment privilege” for
    the rest of the civil proceeding. In re Edmond, 
    934 F.2d 1304
    , 1308 (4th Cir. 1991); cf. United
    States v. Parcels of Land, 
    903 F.2d 36
    , 43–44 (1st Cir. 1990).
    The justifications for this waiver rule are twofold. See generally Rogers v. United States,
    
    340 U.S. 367
    , 371–75 (1951); Klein v. Harris, 
    667 F.2d 274
    , 287–88 (2d Cir. 1981); United
    States v. Yurasovich, 
    580 F.2d 1212
    , 1218–20 (3d Cir. 1978); Note, Testimonial Waiver of the
    Privilege Against Self-Incrimination, 92 HARV. L. REV. 1752, 1753–54 (1979). First, although
    the Fifth Amendment’s privilege against self-incrimination necessarily limits the amount of
    evidence that courts receive, it is not a tool that a witness may use to distort the truth. See
    Mitchell, 
    526 U.S. at 322
    . By preventing witnesses who present their side of the story from then
    asserting silence in the face of the opposing party’s inquiries into the divulged facts, the waiver
    rule protects both the “trustworthiness of the statements” and “the integrity of the factual
    inquiry.” 
    Id.
     Without this rule, witnesses could use the Fifth Amendment to shape the truth
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    rather than shield it. Thus, courts enforce the waiver rule when necessary to avoid “prejudice to
    a party to the litigation.” Klein, 
    667 F.2d at
    288 (citing E.F. Hutton & Co. v. Jupiter Dev. Corp.,
    
    91 F.R.D. 110
    , 116 (S.D.N.Y. 1981)).
    Along with this distortion-of-the-truth rationale, there is a further-incrimination rationale.
    When a witness’s prior statements were both “‘testimonial,’ meaning that they were voluntarily
    made under oath in the context of the same judicial proceeding,” and “incriminating,” meaning
    that they “directly inculpated the witness on the charges at issue,” then those statements are
    naturally the kind that would “likely influence the finder of fact.” 
    Id.
     In such circumstances, it
    is fair to conclude that the witness had “reason to know” that they were giving up the protections
    of the privilege as to relevant details of their disclosures, and to hold the witness to that
    knowledge. 
    Id.
    In this way, a “waiver” in the context of the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-
    incrimination signifies something different than the term does in other contexts. For example,
    defendants must make a “knowing and intelligent” relinquishment of their Miranda rights before
    a court will deem those rights to be waived. Garner v. United States, 
    424 U.S. 648
    , 657 (1976).
    But whereas waiver for the purposes of Miranda operates on the assumption that the right is one
    that the defendant must renounce to lose its protections, the privilege against self-incrimination is
    a right that the defendant must assert to gain its protections. If a witness seeks refuge in the
    privilege, then “he must claim it or he will not be considered to have been ‘compelled’ within the
    meaning of the Amendment.” 
    Id.
     at 654–55 (quoting United States v. Monia, 
    317 U.S. 424
    , 427
    (1943)). Despite the need for courts otherwise to “indulge every reasonable presumption against
    waiver of fundamental constitutional rights,” Emspak v. United States, 
    349 U.S. 190
    , 198 (1955)
    (quoting Johnson v. Zerbst, 
    304 U.S. 458
    , 464 (1938)), “an individual may lose the benefit of the
    [Fifth Amendment] privilege without making a knowing and intelligent waiver.”1 Minnesota v.
    Murphy, 
    465 U.S. 420
    , 428 (1984) (quoting Garner, 
    424 U.S. at
    654 n.9).
    1
    Although the foregoing shows why the use of the term “waiver” is, as the Supreme Court has
    acknowledged, imprecise in this context, see Minnesota v. Murphy, 
    465 U.S. 420
    , 427–28 (1984), the term remains
    prevalent in self-incrimination cases, see, e.g., Mitchell, 
    526 U.S. at 321
    ; Convertino v. U.S. Dep’t of Just., 
    795 F.3d 587
    , 596 (6th Cir. 2015). For this reason, I employ the word throughout.
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    Once lost, however, when can the privilege be recovered? The Supreme Court has held
    that the waiver lasts for the course of (here is that phrase again) “a single proceeding.” Mitchell,
    
    526 U.S. at 321
    . But that raises a new question: what constitutes a “single proceeding?” Fifth
    Amendment doctrine demands a different answer to that question than the lead opinion reaches.
    B. Extent of a “Single Proceeding”
    In ruling that the appellants had waived their Fifth Amendment privileges, the district
    court reasoned that the Supreme Court had determined in Mitchell that a witness waives their
    Fifth Amendment rights for the entirety of (that phrase returns yet again) “a single proceeding.”
    Sherrod, Teed, Vanderhagen & Ware, 
    2022 WL 834009
    , at *3 (quoting Mitchell, 
    526 U.S. at 321
    ). It followed that because depositions “are simply some of the ‘events between the time of
    commencement and the entry of judgment’ that together make up this single civil action,” the
    appellants’ failure to invoke their Fifth Amendment privileges at the deposition stage also
    doomed to failure their blanket attempts to assert those privileges at trial. Id. at *5.
    Determining whether the district court was correct is not a straightforward task. Some
    courts have indicated that a witness who waives their Fifth Amendment privilege during a
    deposition also waives it for the trial that follows. See, e.g., Creative Consumer Concepts, Inc. v.
    Kreisler, 
    563 F.3d 1070
    , 1081 (10th Cir. 2009); Microfinancial, Inc. v. Premier Holidays Int’l,
    Inc., 
    385 F.3d 72
    , 78 (1st Cir. 2004); United States v. White, 
    846 F.2d 678
    , 690 (11th Cir. 1988);
    see also In re Candor Diamond Corp., 
    42 B.R. 916
    , 920 (Bankr. S.D.N.Y. 1984). A few courts
    have directly held this. See De Lisi v. Crosby, 
    402 F.3d 1294
    , 1301 (11th Cir. 2005); Moser v.
    Heffington, 
    214 A.3d 546
    , 558 (Md. 2019). One court has reached the opposite conclusion,
    albeit on analogous state law grounds. See State v. Roberts, 
    622 A.2d 1225
    , 1235 (N.H. 1993).
    Other courts have suggested that they might come to the same result if pressed. See United
    States v. Trejo-Zambrano, 
    582 F.2d 460
    , 464 (9th Cir. 1978); People v. Williams, 
    181 P.3d 1035
    ,
    1059 (Cal. 2008). The Sixth Circuit has not yet addressed this issue.
    Because of the conflicting authorities, a return to basics provides guidance. In addition to
    reaffirming the well-established rule “that a witness, in a single proceeding, may not testify
    voluntarily about a subject and then invoke the privilege against self-incrimination when
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    questioned about the details,” the Supreme Court in Mitchell also examined how this rule
    governs the relationship between a plea colloquy and a sentencing hearing. 
    526 U.S. at 321
    .
    The Court held that neither a defendant’s guilty plea nor their statements during their plea
    colloquy functioned as a waiver during their sentencing hearing. 
    Id. at 325
    . How the Court
    reached this conclusion is instructive.
    As Mitchell indicated, the purposes of a plea colloquy and a sentencing hearing are
    distinct.   A plea colloquy’s purpose “is to protect the defendant from an unintelligent or
    involuntary plea,” thus making the defendant’s testimony vital, while a sentencing hearing fixes
    the severity of the punishment that accompanies guilt. 
    Id. at 322
    . In other words, the Supreme
    Court contemplated the purposes of each hearing in Mitchell, found them to be divergent, and
    thus concluded that the defendant had not waived her privilege for the sentencing hearing.
    Although the Court did not conclusively decide whether the two hearings were part of a “single
    proceeding,” its conclusion suggests that they are not.
    The Supreme Court’s focus on purpose for discerning a proceeding’s boundaries makes
    sense given the waiver rule’s nature. Both the distortion-of-truth rationale and the further-
    incrimination rationale rely on the fairness of requiring a witness to answer further questions
    once they have provided sworn statements. In the case of the distortion-of-truth rationale, the
    absurdity of using the Fifth Amendment either to provide only partial, and possibly self-serving,
    truths or to distort the factfinding process is so obvious that there is nothing unfair about
    disallowing those practices. See 
    id. at 322
    . The witness instead has “reason to know” that
    invoking the privilege in such a manner would be unduly prejudicial and will thus not be
    allowed. E.F. Hutton & Co., 91 F.R.D. at 116; see also Klein, 
    667 F.2d at 288
    . Likewise, it is
    not unfair to require further testimony as to incriminating details once a witness chooses to
    testify about incriminating facts. In that instance, too, the witness had “reason to know” of the
    risks that their testimony could provide fodder for criminal prosecution. Klein, 
    667 F.2d at 288
    .
    The lead opinion criticizes this reference to Klein’s “reason to know” standard, because
    Klein concerns whether a waiver had occurred, and not how to determine the scope of a waiver.
    
    Id. at 287
    . But the considerations involved in questions of waiver necessarily inform the scope
    of a waiver. And these fairness considerations indicate why purpose matters. Holding witnesses
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    to their waiver is fair when—and only when—they have reason to know of its future
    applicability. That is considerably easier in instances when the comparable points in time share
    similar legal ends than when they do not. Such similarity ensures that the witness is on notice
    that their testimony will continue to bear on a case when they initially provide the testimony.
    To illustrate the point, consider a witness who is deposed in a civil foreclosure
    proceeding and then later is deposed in a separate case involving allegations that a fiduciary
    imprudently managed assets on behalf of a pension fund. See In re Morganroth, 
    718 F.2d at
    163–64. The witness answers questions freely in the deposition for the foreclosure case. See 
    id. at 163
    . But the fiduciary case is different. When the lawyers in that case want to depose the
    witness and inquire along similar lines as in the foreclosure case, the witness invokes the Fifth
    Amendment. See 
    id. at 164
    . In that instance, it would be unfair to conclude that the witness had
    reason to know when they sat for the first deposition that their testimony would constitute a
    waiver in the second deposition. Nothing about the discovery in the foreclosure case would
    necessarily have led the witness to be on notice about discovery in another case that may not
    have even been filed at the time.
    That analysis leads in the opposite direction when the two points in time are a deposition
    and the trial for which it was prepared. Why a civil party conducts a deposition is no secret.
    Like many other discovery devices, the goal of a deposition is to produce “relevant evidence
    which is useful in determining the merits of the claims asserted by the parties” in anticipation of
    trial. Blue Chip Stamps v. Manor Drug Stores, 
    421 U.S. 723
    , 741 (1975). As both the Supreme
    Court long ago recognized and practitioners have since become well aware, depositions keep
    federal civil trials from being “carried on in the dark” by allowing “the parties to obtain the
    fullest possible knowledge of the issues and facts before trial.” Hickman v. Taylor, 
    329 U.S. 495
    , 501 (1947); see also, e.g., John H. Langbein, The Disappearance of Civil Trial in the
    United States, 122 YALE L.J. 522, 551 (2012) (noting that depositions provide “the litigants a
    detailed advance view of what the issues and the evidence would be (on both or all sides) were
    the case to go to trial”); Alexander Holtzoff, The Elimination of Surprise in Federal Practice,
    7 VAND. L. REV. 576, 578 (1954) (The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure “permit[] the use of
    discovery not only for the purpose of obtaining evidence, but also of ascertaining where evidence
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    may be secured.”). Questions asked at a deposition may not be asked again at trial, but they are
    initially posed only because trial loomed on the horizon.
    With that in mind, the need for a deponent to preserve their Fifth Amendment privilege
    during a deposition is not obscure. When conducted by oral examination, as done in the
    appellants’ cases, depositions produce evidence in a form analogous to a civil trial: parties
    testify under oath, their lawyers are present to conduct examinations and cross-examinations, and
    the testimony is recorded by an authorized individual. FED. R. CIV. P. 30(c)(1). Also akin to
    when a witness is examined at trial, attorney-client exchanges are limited during a deposition,
    though counsel “may instruct a deponent not to answer . . . when necessary to preserve a
    privilege.” FED. R. CIV. P. 30(c)(2). Rule 30’s reminder to be watchful of privileges is apt.
    Once conducted, a deposition takes on a life of its own—“[a]t a hearing or trial, all or part of a
    deposition may be used against a party” so long as certain conditions are met. FED. R. CIV. P.
    32(a)(1).
    Among their many uses, depositions can help to sidestep the need for trial altogether.
    Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 56(c)(1)(A) directs parties to cite depositions in their motions
    for summary judgment, and parties routinely follow this direction. See, e.g., Viet v. Le, 
    951 F.3d 818
    , 824–25 (6th Cir. 2020); Keller v. Miri Microsystems LLC, 
    781 F.3d 799
    , 805 (6th Cir.
    2015); Alexander v. CareSource, 
    576 F.3d 551
    , 560–61 (6th Cir. 2009). If the district court
    agrees that summary judgment should be granted on any of the claims, then “the movant is
    entitled to judgment as a matter of law” as to those claims. FED. R. CIV. P. 56(a). Harmful
    admissions and other testimony given in a deposition can, and often do, settle whether a dispute
    of material fact exists for this purpose. See, e.g., Noble v. Time Ins. Co., No. CIV. 11-345-
    GFVT, 
    2013 WL 1964819
    , at *3 (E.D. Ky. May 10, 2013); Home Bank of Tennessee v. Beams,
    No. 3:06-CV-191, 
    2007 WL 3287297
    , at *4 (E.D. Tenn. Nov. 5, 2007).                    This possibility
    combined with the other features of a deposition make it clear that if a deponent has information
    that the Fifth Amendment can shield, then they should invoke their privilege rather than testify.
    All this also makes it clear that a deponent’s failure to invoke the privilege will haunt
    them come trial. Unlike in criminal law where an intuitive line (one clearly marked by a verdict)
    can be drawn between the purposes of the guilt phase and the purposes of the sentencing phase,
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    the aims that animate depositions and a trial in civil litigation blur together. Cf. Mitchell,
    
    526 U.S. at
    322–25. Despite the lead opinion’s empty protestations that the purposes of a
    deposition and a civil trial are divergent, both serve to produce evidence relevant to the claims
    and defenses listed in the complaint and the answer with the aim to determine whether a party
    will be held liable. See 75 AM. JUR. 2d Trial §§ 1–2 (2022). Either can end up with the court
    entering an adverse judgment against a party. Of course, a trial aims to settle the matter of
    liability definitively whereas a deposition only facilitates this aim. But a deponent cannot
    reasonably be surprised when they are called to testify at trial about matters covered in their
    deposition, especially when the deponent was a party to the suit as four of the five appellants
    here had been. That possibility was present the moment the deponent was subpoenaed for the
    deposition. Fundamentally, then, the district court was correct to conclude that a deposition and
    a trial for which it was prepared are part of a single proceeding.
    The principles underlying the Fifth Amendment’s waiver rule further bolster my
    conclusion. On the one hand, the rule recognizes that the privilege is a shield that protects
    information, not a sword with which to “mutilate” it. Brown, 
    356 U.S. at 156
    . To this end,
    courts disfavor various strategies used to game the discovery process with the Fifth Amendment.
    Parties risk having affidavits filed in opposition to summary judgment stricken if they refuse to
    answer related questions at a subsequent deposition. See In re Edmond, 
    934 F.2d at
    1308–09;
    Parcels of Land, 
    903 F.2d at
    43–44. Parties also risk being barred from testifying if they invoke
    their privilege against self-incrimination in response to interrogatories or deposition only to try to
    testify at trial. Gutierrez-Rodriguez v. Cartagena, 
    882 F.2d 553
    , 577 (1st Cir. 1989); see also
    United States v. Certain Real Prop. & Premises Known as 4003-4005 5th Ave., Brooklyn, N.Y.,
    
    55 F.3d 78
    , 85 (2d Cir. 1995) (barring party from submitting in evidence “any material
    previously claimed by him to be within the privilege against self-incrimination”); Traficant v.
    Comm’r, 
    884 F.2d 258
    , 265 (6th Cir. 1989) (barring party, after his invocation of the privilege
    against self-incrimination, “from introducing other evidence on that matter”). In any event, the
    goal is to balance the interests of the party asserting the privilege with the need “to prevent unfair
    and unnecessary prejudice to the other side.” S.E.C. v. Graystone Nash, Inc., 
    25 F.3d 187
    , 192
    (3d Cir. 1994).
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    That balance tips in favor of holding a deponent to their waiver come trial. Allowing a
    witness to testify at a deposition only then to allow them in the forthcoming civil trial to invoke
    their privilege against self-incrimination on the same subjects about which they were already
    deposed would both give a witness insight into the questions that a party might ask at trial as
    well as let the witness avoid providing follow-up answers based on the ones that they have
    already given. Furthermore, unlike in cases when a court strikes an affidavit because the affiant
    invoked their Fifth Amendment privilege at trial rather than testify about some subject matter
    that was divulged in the affidavit, see, e.g., In re Edmond, 
    934 F.2d at
    1308–09; Parcels of Land,
    
    903 F.2d at
    43–44, the same remedy is inadequate when a deponent has already learned
    substantial information about the other side’s trial strategy by sitting for the deposition. That bell
    cannot be unrung.
    The lead opinion argues that the availability of cross-examination in a deposition is
    sufficient to guard against these concerns. But this ignores the key function of the factfinder in
    judging credibility. Under the lead opinion’s rule, the party who conducted the deposition is left
    with presenting at trial either a transcript or a recording of the deposition, both being only partial
    substitutes for live testimony in assessing another critical aspect of the truth—a witness’s
    credibility. See, e.g., House v. Players’ Dugout, Inc., No. 3:16-CV-00594-RGJ, 
    2021 WL 4898071
    , at *14 (W.D. Ky. Oct. 20, 2021) (noting that it was “better for the jury to experience
    these . . . witnesses’ testimony live, even if by video, than by pre-recorded trial deposition” in
    order to judge credibility); FED. R. CIV. P. 32(a)(4)(E) (making unmistakable “the importance of
    live testimony in open court”); 8A CHARLES ALAN WRIGHT, ARTHUR R. MILLER, & RICHARD L.
    MARCUS, FEDERAL PRACTICE AND PROCEDURE § 2142 (3d ed. 2022) (“Although the increasing
    availability and fidelity of videotaped depositions has provided a better alternative than reading a
    written transcription, the preference for live testimony is still endorsed by the federal courts.”
    (footnote omitted)); 7 MOORE’S FEDERAL PRACTICE § 32.28 [3] (“The preference for oral
    testimony by a present witness is of special concern when a case turns on the credibility of
    testimony that is contradicted by other witnesses.”); see also Stoner v. Sowders, 
    997 F.2d 209
    ,
    213 (6th Cir. 1993) (noting in context of the Confrontation Clause that videotaped deposition “is
    still a picture, not a life”). To avoid these problems, a waiver of the Fifth Amendment privilege
    at a deposition should carry forward to a civil trial.
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    Although it is true that the purpose of the Fifth Amendment is to prevent a witness from
    being compelled to provide incriminating information against themselves, once the witness has
    opened the prosecutorial door by providing an incriminating fact, disclosure of further details
    related to the disclosed subject “presents no more than a ‘mere imaginary possibility’ of
    increasing the danger of prosecution.” Rogers, 
    340 U.S. at
    374–75 (footnote omitted) (quoting
    Mason v. United States, 
    244 U.S. 362
    , 366 (1917)); see also United States v. LaRiche, 
    549 F.2d 1088
    , 1096 (6th Cir. 1977). “Thus, any witness who makes testimonial, incriminating statements
    plainly has reason to know, when he does so, that these statements may be interpreted as a
    waiver of his [F]ifth [A]mendment privilege against self-incrimination.” Klein, 
    667 F.2d at 288
    .
    The further-incrimination rationale leads to the same place as the distortion-of-the-truth
    rationale. “Only the witness knows whether the apparently innocent disclosure sought may
    incriminate him, and the burden appropriately lies with him to make a timely assertion of the
    privilege.” Garner, 
    424 U.S. at 655
    . So, too, with deponents who often will be counseled and
    prepared, will take an oath or affirmation before testifying, and have their testimony recorded.
    FED. R. CIV. P. 30(c)(1). Although use of a recorded deposition in lieu of live testimony at a trial
    is not preferred, it is possible in both civil cases as the appellants acknowledge, see FED. R. CIV.
    P. 32(a)(1), and, more importantly, in criminal cases, see FED. R. CRIM. P. 15(f). Witnesses who
    are counseled can be presumed to know the risks that accompany these possibilities, especially
    given that “the admissibility of [testimony in a prior civil proceeding] in criminal trials is well-
    settled.” United States v. Cohen, 
    946 F.2d 430
    , 435 (6th Cir. 1991) (collecting cases); see also
    United States v. Lay, 
    612 F.3d 440
    , 448 (6th Cir. 2010) (criminal defendant’s deposition
    testimony from previous civil case admissible as an admission of a party-opponent under Federal
    Rule of Evidence 801(d)(2)); United States v. Moffie, 239 F. App’x 150, 156–57 (6th Cir. 2007)
    (same).
    “Such a witness certainly is not treated unfairly, then, if a court ultimately interprets the
    statements” made in a deposition as a waiver of the Fifth Amendment privilege as to those
    subjects during the subsequent civil trial. Klein, 
    667 F.2d at 288
    . This is particularly true when,
    as I detail further below, the appellants all had abundant indications from the State of Michigan
    that criminal investigations into the Flint Water Crisis were ongoing into either their specific
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    conduct, or the conduct of other officials allegedly involved in the Crisis. Indeed, Ambrose,
    Croft, and Earley had already been criminally charged for such involvement. R. 715-3 (Criminal
    Compl. at 1) (Page ID #45875). This is not a case in which the realization that a witness’s sworn
    statements were potentially incriminating should strike them like a bolt from the blue. Instead,
    these “witness[es] had reason to know that [their] prior statements would be interpreted as a
    waiver of the [F]ifth [A]mendment’s privilege against self-incrimination.” Klein, 
    667 F.2d at 287
    .
    At this point, both the lead opinion and the appellants interject to suggest that In re
    Morganroth is contrary authority. The Morganroth court noted that “once a witness has testified
    under oath initially, the risk of prosecution which the witness faced in the earlier proceeding is
    not identical even though the questions may be the same in a subsequent proceeding or the same
    subject matter covered.” 
    718 F.2d at 166
    . That is because “[p]erjury is a separate crime.” 
    Id.
    For the lead opinion, the fact that the appellants could be subject to perjury charges based on
    inconsistencies between their depositions and trial testimony suffices to transform the two stages
    of litigation into separate proceedings.
    This is unpersuasive. In re Morganroth dealt with two separate civil cases, which are
    unquestionably different proceedings. 
    Id.
     at 163–64. Neither the facts of that case nor its
    reminder that perjury is a freestanding offense are of use in discerning what is a single
    proceeding. After all, a defendant could not testify on direct examination during a trial about a
    falsehood only to invoke the Fifth Amendment privilege to a related detail on cross examination
    out of fear that the response would reveal that they had just perjured themselves. See United
    States v. Charles, 
    138 F.3d 257
    , 267 (6th Cir. 1998) (noting that it is “well-settled” that the Fifth
    Amendment “does not endow the person who testifies with a license to commit perjury” (quoting
    United States v. Wong, 
    431 U.S. 174
    , 178 (1977))). That perjury is a separate offense does not
    convert the direct examination and the cross examination of a witness into two separate
    proceedings. For the same reason, the possibility of perjury alone does not provide guidance as
    to whether a deposition and the trial for which it was prepared form the same proceeding. I thus
    must look elsewhere to discern what constitutes different proceedings. I agree with the lead
    opinion that Mitchell’s focus on purpose provides that test.
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    A return to purpose, however, requires a different conclusion than the lead opinion
    reaches. The appellants knew the purpose for which they gave testimony when each was
    administered the oath at their depositions. They were counseled; Governor Snyder is himself a
    lawyer. Sherrod, Teed, Vanderhagen & Ware, 
    2022 WL 834009
    , at *2. The complaint was
    available. The possibility of civil liability for those who were parties was clear. It was so clear
    that Earley, Ambrose, and Croft believed that they were being forced to trade off either asserting
    their Fifth Amendment rights or vigorously defending themselves in this lawsuit. See E.D. Mich.
    No. 5:16-cv-10444, R. 957 (ICDs’ Joint Mot. for Protective Order at 8–9) (Page ID #24540–41).
    And it was apparent that the appellants’ deposition testimony would be used to develop the
    questions that the parties would ask them at the civil trials that followed.
    The appellants, moreover, were all well situated to determine what was or might be
    incriminating in the answers that they contemplated giving. The district court even flagged the
    possibility of invoking the Fifth Amendment for Earley, Ambrose, and Croft. In re Flint Water
    Cases, No. 5:16-CV-10444, 
    2019 WL 5802706
    , at *3, *5 (E.D. Mich Nov. 7, 2019).
    Nevertheless, the appellants chose a different course, testifying at their depositions without
    invoking their privileges against self-incrimination. Undoubtedly, each had their reasons for
    doing so. But these are reasons that come with consequences. I believe that one of those
    consequences is that the appellants waived their Fifth Amendment privileges against self-
    incrimination to some extent regarding the topics about which they were deposed.
    C. Comparable Proceedings
    Both the lead opinion and the appellants rely on several inapposite cases to reach the
    opposite conclusion regarding waiver. Those cases largely involve proceedings that are discrete
    and distinct. Some cases involve grand juries, United States v. Miranti, 
    253 F.2d 135
    , 139–41
    (2d Cir. 1958); In re Neff, 
    206 F.2d 149
    , 151–52 (3d Cir. 1953), or a state-law analogue to a
    grand jury, State v. Whiting, 
    402 N.W.2d 723
    , 730 (Wis. Ct. App. 1987). Another case involves
    coroner inquests. Slutzker v. Johnson, 
    393 F.3d 373
    , 389 (3d Cir. 2004). Further cases involve
    two different criminal cases, United States v. Johnson, 
    488 F.2d 1206
    , 1210–11 (1st Cir. 1973),
    or two different civil cases, In re Morganroth, 
    718 F.2d at
    163–64.
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    Disparate as these cases seem, they are united by a common thread. Each involves
    proceedings with purposes that distinguish them in ways that are not present when comparing a
    deposition to the civil trial for which it was prepared. A grand jury, for instance, functions as a
    stand-alone proceeding that is related to, but separate from, any criminal case that might follow
    from it. This is because a “grand jury is not a judicial tribunal but rather an informing or
    accusing body” that meets to determine whether charges may be brought, not whether the
    accused is guilty of those charges. In re Neff, 
    206 F.2d at 152
    . Consequently, testimony at a
    grand jury cannot lead directly to an adverse judgment the way that testimony at a deposition
    can. Cf. FED. R. CIV. P. 56. There are intervening steps such as a trial or plea hearing that must
    be taken. A coroner’s inquest meanwhile functions in a similar manner to a grand jury but
    regarding the determination of a decedent’s cause of death. See Am. Nat’l Bank v. Cont’l Cas.
    Co., 
    70 F.2d 97
    , 99 (6th Cir. 1934). These cases, which deal with threshold proceedings that
    determine whether a case will be brought, shed little light on the present issue where the
    purposes of a deposition and the subsequent civil trial are so closely aligned.2
    The sole case among those cited by the lead opinion and the appellants that squarely
    holds otherwise is State v. Roberts. There, the Supreme Court of New Hampshire held that a
    witness’s waiver of their privilege against self-incrimination during a pretrial deposition does not
    carry forward to the civil trial. Roberts, 622 A.2d at 1235. To reach this conclusion, the court
    examined the New Hampshire state constitution, not the Fifth Amendment. See id. at 1235–36.
    I am dubious that Roberts’s reasoning extends beyond the decision’s confines. How the
    Supreme Court of New Hampshire characterized a deposition in Roberts strongly indicates that a
    deposition is part of the same proceeding as the civil trial for which it was prepared. See id. at
    1235 (“More similar to an examination of a witness at trial than either a grand jury appearance or
    a pretrial exchange of affidavits, a deposition subjects a witness to timely, effective cross-
    examination under oath and generates a potentially admissible transcript that is available to all
    2
    Neither United States v. Trejo-Zambrano, 
    582 F.2d 460
     (9th Cir. 1978), nor People v. Williams, 
    181 P.3d 1035
     (Cal. 2008), provide guidance in this case either. Trejo-Zambrano held that an incriminating affidavit filed in
    support of a severance motion does not waive the privilege against self-incrimination at trial. 
    582 F.2d at 464
    .
    Williams similarly held that testimony at a motion in limine hearing does not waive the privilege at trial. 
    181 P.3d at 1059
    . In both cases, the purpose of the testimony was different at the time of waiver and the time of trial. Thus,
    those cases comport with my reasoning.
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    parties.”). Instead of taking this position, however, the court in Roberts held that the privilege
    against self-incrimination is specific to the stages in a proceeding, not the proceeding itself. Id.
    at 1235.
    Inquiring into the stages of a proceeding is different from the “well established” rule
    reaffirmed in Mitchell that waiver is a proceeding-specific inquiry. 
    526 U.S. at 321
    . And
    Mitchell’s focus was on the purpose of the appearance, not the stage of the proceeding. 
    Id.
     at
    322–25. Given that the Supreme Court in the intervening years decided Mitchell and stressed
    there the purpose-based approach, I would decline to follow New Hampshire’s lead.
    D. Changed Circumstances
    The lead opinion also contends that a change in circumstances here—i.e., the fact that the
    appellants were indicted after being deposed—warrants a different waiver analysis. I disagree.
    Neither the cases nor the facts support that conclusion.
    To start, the primary case on which appellants rely for this point, United States v.
    Miranti, is inapposite. There, the government argued that because a defendant had testified
    before the same grand jury for one crime, he had waived his Fifth Amendment privilege against
    self-incrimination for when he testified to the body approximately a year later about another
    crime.     Miranti, 
    253 F.2d at 140
    .    The Second Circuit rejected this argument. Presaging
    Mitchell, the court stressed that, “for all practical purposes, two separate grand juries investigated
    unrelated crimes,” cabining the waiver to the proceeding in which it occurred. 
    Id.
    That is quite a different scenario than in this case. Unlike in Miranti where the purposes
    of the two appearances before the grand jury were divergent, the purposes between the
    deposition and the civil trial converge. By the time that the parties are engaged in discovery, the
    complaint has already been filed and the possibility of liability has increased, even without the
    matter ever going to trial. See FED. R. CIV. P. 56. Those considerations ought to focus the mind,
    and the witness can assess how much they want to divulge at the deposition with awareness of
    the types of questions, and risks that accompany them, that will come at trial.
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    More importantly, the broader context of the appellants’ depositions belies the lead
    opinion’s changed-circumstances argument. By the time that the appellants were deposed,
    investigations into the Flint Water Crisis had been ongoing for over three years, and fifteen
    people had been charged. In 2016, Ambrose, Croft, and Earley were criminally charged on
    counts of false pretenses and conspiracy to commit false pretenses for their alleged roles in the
    Crisis. R. 715-3 (Criminal Compl. at 1) (Page ID #45875). Notably, Ambrose and Earley were
    also charged with misconduct in office in violation of Michigan Compiled Laws § 750.5053 and
    willful neglect of duty in office in violation of Michigan Compiled Laws § 750.478.4 Id. at 1–2
    (Page ID #45875–76). Although the conduct that formed the basis for the indictments against
    Governor Snyder and Baird was distinct from that which formed the basis for the indictments
    3
    Those charges provide as follows. For Earley, the misconduct in office count read:
    COUNT 3—COMMON LAW OFFENSES—MISCONDUCT IN OFFICE—DEFENDANT (01)
    did commit misconduct in office, an indictable offense at common law, during his tenure as the
    state-appointed emergency manager for the City of Flint, by intentionally misleading the citizens
    of Flint by falsely stating the Flint Water Treatment Plant was equipped to produce safe water,
    allowing the Flint Water Treatment plant to produce water to the public despite knowledge that the
    plant was not ready for use, allowing the City of Flint to enter into a contract that required interim
    use of the Flint Water treatment plant for 30 months with knowledge that the plant was not ready
    to produce safe water, authorizing dissemination of information to the general public that was
    false and misleading in regards to the safety and potability of the Flint River water; contrary to
    MCL 750.505. [750.505]
    FELONY: 5 Years and/or $10,000.
    00 R. 715
    -3 (Criminal Compl. at 1) (Page ID #45875). For Ambrose, the misconduct in office count read:
    COUNT 4—COMMON LAW OFFENSES—MISCONDUCT IN OFFICE—DEFENDANT (02)
    did commit misconduct in office, an indictable offense at common law, during his tenure as the
    state-appointed emergency manager for the City of Flint, by obstructing and hindering a healthcare
    investigation conducted by the Genesee County Health Department with regard to the
    Legionnaires’ Disease outbreak; contrary to MCL 750.505. [750.505]
    FELONY: 5 Years and/or $10,000.00
    Id. at 2 (Page ID #45876).
    4
    Those charges provided for both as follows:
    COUNT 5—WILLFUL NEGLECT OF DUTY IN OFFICE—DEFENDANTS (01) (02)
    did willfully neglect to assure the local government’s capacity to provide or cause to be provided
    necessary governmental services essential to the public health, safety, and welfare pursuant to the
    powers granted to them by Public Act 436 of 2012, the Local Financial Stability and Choice Act,
    MCL 141.1549(2); contrary to MCL 750.478. [750.478]
    MISDEMEANOR: 1 Year and/or $1,000.00
    Id.
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    against Ambrose and Earley, Governor Snyder would also be indicted for two misdemeanor
    counts of willful neglect of duty in violation of Michigan Compiled Laws § 750.478,5 and Baird
    would be indicted for one count of misconduct in office in violation of Michigan Compiled Laws
    § 750.505,6 in January 2021 for their roles in the Flint Water Crisis.
    Those later indictments came after a public shift in the investigations. In June 2019,
    Michigan’s Department of Attorney General announced that it was taking a fresh look at the
    investigations and would “aggressively pursue[]” leads against “additional individuals of
    interest.” R. 715-5 (Press Release) (Page ID #45907). It stated that the reason for this change in
    approach was that “all available evidence was not [previously] pursued” because private law
    firms—including those representing “the Executive Office of former Governor Rick Snyder”—
    had played “a role in deciding what information would be turned over to law enforcement.” Id.
    (Page ID #45906). Prosecutors believed that this led to the investigation resting on a “flawed
    foundation.” Id. (Page ID #45907).
    5
    Those charges against Governor Snyder read:
    COUNT 1: WILLFUL NEGLECT OF DUTY
    As Governor of the State of Michigan, a public officer, did willfully neglect his mandatory legal
    duty under Article V, section 8 and 10, of the Michigan Constitution, by failing to inquire into the
    performance, condition and administration of the public offices and officers that he appointed and
    was required to supervise; contrary to MCL 750.478.
    MISDEMEANOR: 1 year and/or $1,000.00
    COUNT 2: WILLFUL NEGLECT OF DUTY
    As Governor of the State of Michigan, a public officer, did willfully neglect his mandatory legal
    duty to protect citizens of this state against disaster and/or emergency under Public Act 390 of
    1976 (Emergency Management Act) by failing to declare a state of emergency and/or disaster
    when the Governor had notice of a threat of a disaster and/or emergency in the City of Flint;
    contrary to MCL 750.478.
    MISDEMEANOR: 1 year and/or $1,000.
    00 R. 712
    -1 (Snyder Indictment at 2–3) (Page ID #45807–08).
    6
    That charge against Baird reads:
    COUNT 2: MISCONDUCT IN OFFICE
    Did commit misconduct in office, an indictable offense at common law, during his tenure as a
    public officer and appointed member of the Executive Office of Governor Snyder, by improperly
    using state personnel and resources; contrary to MCL 750.505C. [750.505-C]
    FELONY: 5 years and/or $10,000.
    00 R. 719
    -1 (Baird Indictment at 2–3) (Page #45955–56). It is unclear why the indictment reads “MCL 750.505C” as
    the offense charged is Michigan Compiled Laws § 750.505. There is no “MCL 750.505C” of which I am aware in
    the Michigan Compiled Laws.
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    That foundation, however, could be rebuilt. As part of the investigative shakeup, the
    charges against Ambrose, Croft, and Earley were dropped without prejudice. In reference to
    those charges, the announcement said: “It is important to note that this voluntary dismissal by
    our team is not a determination of any defendant’s criminal responsibility. We are not precluded
    from refiling charges against the defendants listed below or adding new charges and additional
    defendants.” Id. Given this public announcement, the appellants should have known that their
    actions related to the Flint Water Crisis might subject them to criminal liability. This includes
    both Governor Snyder and Baird. After all, the announcement also stated explicitly that an
    impetus for the change in approach was a concern that the Executive Office of Governor
    Snyder—an office to which each man was linked—may have previously shielded information
    from the investigation.
    At this juncture it bears repeating that three of the appellants—Ambrose, Croft, and
    Earley—went so far as to seek a protective order to shield them from being deposed, identifying
    the risk of incriminating themselves should they do so. In re Flint Water Cases, 
    2019 WL 5802706
    , at *1. The district court denied their motions, issuing an order available to all the
    appellants. That order suggested that Ambrose, Croft, and Earley could invoke their privileges
    against self-incrimination at the deposition to each question that they believed would require an
    incriminating response. Id. at *3, *5. Of course, none did.
    The appellants therefore had ample notice that they spoke at their own peril when they
    testified at their depositions. The State of Michigan was providing multiple indications that
    public officials involved in the Flint Water Crisis would be prosecuted. Some of the appellants
    already had been charged, and those who had not would eventually be similarly charged. And
    the investigation was rebooted because of previous investigators’ ties to Governor Snyder, to
    whom Baird was an advisor. Circumstances might arise in which an intervening criminal
    indictment will affect the waiver analysis. Those circumstances are not present in this case.
    E. Presumption against Waiver
    The lead opinion’s conclusion that a deposition is a separate proceeding from the trial for
    which it was prepared is grounded in a presumption against waiving the Fifth Amendment. For
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    this proposition, the lead opinion points to the Supreme Court’s guidance in Hoffman v. United
    States that the Fifth Amendment “must be accorded liberal construction in favor of the right it
    was intended to secure.” 
    341 U.S. at 486
    . Hoffman, however, does less work for the lead
    opinion’s position than is billed for two reasons.
    First, Hoffman is not a waiver case. Instead, it involved what a witness needed to show to
    demonstrate that their testimony tends to incriminate and thus renders the Fifth Amendment’s
    privilege against self-incrimination available to invoke. The petitioner, Samuel Hoffman, had
    invoked his Fifth Amendment right not to answer several questions put to him in a special
    federal grand jury. 
    Id.
     at 481–82. After the district court found that Hoffman faced “no real and
    substantial danger of incrimination,” the district court held him in contempt when he continued
    to refuse to testify. 
    Id. at 482
    . The Supreme Court reversed, reasoning that, given what Hoffman
    had shown, “it was not ‘perfectly clear, from a careful consideration of all the circumstances in
    the case, that the witness is mistaken, and that the answer[s] cannot possibly have such tendency’
    to incriminate.” 
    Id. at 488
     (alteration in original) (citation omitted).
    At its core, Hoffman teaches that courts must liberally construe a witness’s claim that
    their testimony will tend to incriminate them in favor of the right’s assertion. That is a non
    sequitur for this case. There is no dispute that the appellants could have invoked their privilege
    against self-incrimination at the depositions. The issue is that they did not, leaving us to sort out
    how far that waiver reaches. Hoffman does not speak to this problem.
    Nor could it. The line from Hoffman that the lead opinion highlights is telling: the Fifth
    Amendment should be liberally construed so that “the right it was intended to secure” is
    protected. 
    Id. at 486
     (emphasis added). That right is the right of a witness not to be compelled
    to give inculpatory testimony against themselves. Applying this liberal-construction canon in the
    waiver context is an awkward fit. A waiver can only occur once a key evil that the Fifth
    Amendment seeks to ward off has been dispelled: compulsion. If a witness voluntarily chooses
    to testify rather than invoke their right not to provide self-incriminating testimony, then the
    element of compulsion has been removed for the purposes of the privilege. See Garner, 
    424 U.S. at 654
     (“[I]n the ordinary case, if a witness under compulsion to testify makes disclosures
    instead of claiming the privilege, the government has not ‘compelled’ him to incriminate
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    himself.”). When the witness waives the privilege, then, the right that the Fifth Amendment was
    intended to secure has already been secured. The witness has just decided not to exercise that
    right, and the waiver rule enforces that decision.
    On its own terms, thus, Hoffman’s liberal-construction canon does not settle the waiver
    issue in this case. Again, Mitchell’s purpose test provides the solution to the puzzle. This test
    shows that a deposition is part of the same proceeding as the trial for which it was prepared.
    F. Conclusion
    Finally, I suggest how this imbroglio could have been avoided:             by the appellants
    invoking their Fifth Amendment privileges against self-incrimination at their depositions. In
    countless civil depositions conducted around the country, such invocations have long been
    routine, and their nuances have long been routinely addressed by lower courts. See, e.g., Pursley
    v. City of Rockford, No. 18 CV 50040, 
    2020 WL 4931394
    , at *3 (N.D. Ill. Aug. 20, 2020);
    Slainte Invs. Ltd. P’ship v. Jeffrey, No. 3:14-CV-1750 CSH, 
    2015 WL 1445331
    , at *6 (D. Conn.
    Mar. 30, 2015); S.E.C. v. ARVCO Cap. Rsch., LLC, No. 3:12-CV-00221-MMD-WGC, 
    2014 WL 5106100
    , at *3 (D. Nev. Oct. 10, 2014); C.K. v. Bell Cnty. Bd. of Educ., No. 6:11-CV-296-ART-
    HAI, 
    2012 WL 13180795
    , at *1 (E.D. Ky. Oct. 9, 2012); Tyson v. Equity Title & Escrow Co. of
    Memphis, LLC., 
    282 F. Supp. 2d 820
    , 822 (W.D. Tenn. 2003); Nunn v. Mich. Dep’t of Corr., No.
    96-CV-71416-DT, 
    1998 WL 34113236
    , at *2 (E.D. Mich. Apr. 8, 1998); Nutramax Lab’ys, Inc.
    v. Twin Lab’ys, Inc., 
    32 F. Supp. 2d 331
    , 333 (D. Md. 1999); Moll v. U.S. Life Title Ins. Co. of
    New York, 
    113 F.R.D. 625
    , 628–29 (S.D.N.Y. 1987); McIntyre’s Mini Comput. Sales Grp., Inc.
    v. Creative Synergy Corp., 
    115 F.R.D. 528
    , 530 (D. Mass. 1987). A witness waiving their Fifth
    Amendment privilege against self-incrimination is not a foreordained outcome of being deposed.
    Rather, the calculations that go into whether a witness should invoke their Fifth
    Amendment privilege during civil depositions are themselves complex. If the witness testifies at
    the civil deposition only later to invoke that privilege in a subsequent criminal trial against them,
    then the witness runs the risk of being found unavailable and the transcript coming in under
    Federal Rules of Evidence 804(b)(1) or 804(b)(3), see United States v. MacCloskey, 
    682 F.2d 468
    , 477 (4th Cir. 1982) (“The law is clear that a witness is unavailable under Rule 804(a)(1)
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    when he invokes the Fifth Amendment privilege and the claim is sustained by the trial court.”);
    United States v. Toney, 
    599 F.2d 787
    , 789–90 (6th Cir. 1979) (same), or more simply under
    Federal Rule of Evidence 801(d)(2), see Lay, 
    612 F.3d at 448
    . If instead the witness is a party
    and invokes their Fifth Amendment privilege during the civil deposition, then they risk an
    adverse inference being drawn against them in the civil trial that follows. See McKinney v.
    Galvin, 
    701 F.2d 584
    , 589 n.10 (6th Cir. 1983) (“[T]he Fifth Amendment does not forbid adverse
    inferences against parties to civil actions when they refused to testify in response to probative
    evidence offered against them.” (quoting Baxter v. Palmigiano, 
    425 U.S. 308
    , 318 (1976))
    (alteration in original)); see also Leapers, Inc. v. SMTS, LLC, 
    879 F.3d 731
    , 739 (6th Cir. 2018).
    These kinds of decisions are for the witness to make, presumably with advice from
    counsel. Once the decisions are made, it is not my prerogative at this stage to reweigh the risks
    and rewards that attend them. Rather, “[t]hese choices have consequences.” Microfinancial,
    Inc., 
    385 F.3d at 78
    . This court must discern what the law demands those consequences to be.
    In the present case, I believe the effects are that the appellants waived their Fifth Amendment
    privileges in their depositions on the subjects to which they testified, and these waivers apply
    also for the civil trial for which the appellants were deposed.
    At bottom, our choices have consequences.          The appellants decided to waive their
    privileges against self-incrimination at their depositions despite knowing that their testimony
    could be self-incriminating and that criminal investigations into the Crisis were ongoing. They
    understood the purpose for which they gave their deposition testimony. And yet still they chose
    not to invoke the privilege against self-incrimination. For the foregoing reasons, I would hold
    the appellants to their choices. Because the district court did not err in determining that the
    appellants waived their Fifth Amendment privileges, I would affirm. I respectfully dissent.