Julie Helphenstine v. Lewis County ( 2023 )


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    Pursuant to Sixth Circuit I.O.P. 32.1(b)
    File Name: 23a0077p.06
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE SIXTH CIRCUIT
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    JULIE HELPHENSTINE, Administratrix of the Estate of
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    Christopher Dale Helphenstine and Guardian of
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    B.D.H., the minor son of Christopher Dale
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    Helphenstine,
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    Plaintiff-Appellant,            >
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    v.                                                      │
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    LEWIS COUNTY, KENTUCKY; JEFF LYKINS, ANTHONY                   │
    RUARK, ANDY LUCAS, BEN CARVER, AMANDA                          │
    MCGINNIS, SANDY BLOOMFIELD, MARK RILEY,                        │
    MELINDA MONROE, JEFFERY THOROUGHMAN, TOMMY                     │
    VON LUHRTE, D.O., JOHNNY BIVENS, and JOHN                      │
    BYARD, individually,                                           │
    Defendants-Appellees.                │
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    On Petitions for Rehearing En Banc.
    United States District Court for the Eastern District of Kentucky at Ashland.
    No. 0:18-cv-00093—Henry R. Wilhoit, Jr., District Judge.
    Decided and Filed: April 18, 2023
    Before: SUTTON, Chief Judge; COLE and GRIFFIN, Circuit Judges.
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    COUNSEL
    ON PETITION FOR REHEARING EN BANC: Jeffrey C. Mando, ADAMS, STEPNER,
    WOLTERMANN & DUSING, PLLC, Covington, Kentucky, for Lewis County Appellees.
    Clayton L. Robinson, Courtney L. Soltis, ROBINSON & HAVENS, PSC, Lexington, Kentucky,
    for Appellee Tommy von Luhrte, D.O. ON RESPONSE: Gregory A. Belzley, Prospect,
    Kentucky, James L. Thomerson, ROSE GRASCH CAMENISCH MAINS PLLC, Lexington,
    Kentucky, for Appellant.
    The court issued an order denying the petitions for rehearing en banc. READLER, J. (pp.
    3–12), delivered a separate statement respecting denial of rehearing en banc.
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    ORDER
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    The court received two petitions for rehearing en banc. The original panel has reviewed
    the petitions for rehearing and concludes that the issues raised in the petitions were fully
    considered upon the original submission and decision of the case. The petitions then were
    circulated to the full court. No judge has requested a vote on the suggestion for rehearing en
    banc.
    Therefore, the petitions are denied.
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    STATEMENT
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    READLER, Circuit Judge, statement respecting denial of rehearing en banc. As an
    inferior court, see U.S. Const. art. III, § 1, we must be attentive to the pronouncements of the
    Supreme Court. Sometimes, a fresh decision requires us to grapple with how broadly the
    opinion sweeps. But that was not the case for Kingsley v. Hendrickson, 
    576 U.S. 389
     (2015). In
    Kingsley, the Supreme Court told us it was deciding a narrow issue: whether federal courts
    should consider a defendant’s subjective intent in “the context of excessive force claims brought
    by pretrial detainees.” 
    Id. at 402
     (declining to address claims “not confront[ing]” this issue).
    Yet rather than ending the legal debate, Kingsley marked just the beginning. In a classic
    example of mission creep, at least four circuit courts (arguably five, depending on who you ask)
    read Kingsley as requiring a change to the circuit’s law for Fourteenth Amendment pre-trial
    conditions of confinement claims, otherwise known as deliberate indifference claims. Compare
    Kemp v. Fulton County, 
    27 F.4th 491
    , 495 (7th Cir. 2022) (counting five), with Helphenstine v.
    Lewis County, 
    60 F.4th 305
    , 316 (6th Cir. 2023) (counting four). An odd conclusion, one has to
    say, when excessive force by definition involves active misconduct while deliberate indifference
    concerns inaction. Brawner v. Scott County, 
    14 F.4th 585
    , 605, 608–09 (6th Cir. 2021) (Readler,
    J., dissenting); 
    18 F.4th 551
    , 551 (6th Cir. 2021) (Brawner II) (Readler, J., dissenting from denial
    of rehearing en banc). That is likely why the Supreme Court tailored Kingsley as it did. See also
    Farmer v. Brennan, 
    511 U.S. 825
    , 835 (1994) (holding that the deliberate indifference standard
    utilized for a conditions of confinement claim “is inappropriate . . . when officials stand accused
    of using excessive physical force.”)
    This frolic led to even other detours. In the circuits that upended the law for deliberate
    indifference post-Kingsley, those courts have split internally across the board over how to apply
    these new standards. Compare Gordon v. County of Orange, 
    888 F.3d 1118
    , 1125 (9th Cir.
    2018) (framing the inquiry as “objective reasonableness”), and Charles v. Orange County, 
    925 F.3d 73
    , 87 (2d Cir. 2019) (similar), with Fraihat v. ICE, 
    16 F.4th 613
    , 636–37 (9th Cir. 2021)
    (requiring more than an “inadvertent failure to provide adequate medical care”) (citation
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    omitted); and Darby v. Greenman, 
    14 F.4th 124
    , 129 (2d Cir. 2021) (requiring a “conscious
    disregard of a substantial risk of serious harm”) (citation omitted); Pittman ex rel. Hamilton v.
    County of Madison, 
    970 F.3d 823
    , 827–28 (7th Cir. 2020) (Barrett, J.) (framing the post-Kingsley
    inquiry into the objective reasonableness of a prison official’s action as separate from whether
    the defendant acted “purposefully, knowingly, or . . . recklessly,” the latter of which is shown
    when a prison official “‘strongly suspect[s]’ that [her] actions would lead to harmful results”);
    McGee v. Parsano, 
    55 F.4th 563
    , 569 (7th Cir. 2022) (imposing a “reason to know” standard for
    non-medical jail staff) (citation omitted); see also Helphenstine, 60 F.4th at 317 (describing the
    split amongst the Kingsley circuits as adopting three distinct approaches). Still other circuits
    have rejected the idea that Kingsley’s resolution of excessive force claims has anything to say
    about deliberate indifference claims, given the obvious difference between the conduct
    underlying the two. See Cope v. Cogdill, 
    3 F.4th 198
    , 207 & n.7 (5th Cir. 2021) (rejecting that
    Kingsley changed the deliberate indifference standard); Whitney v. City of St. Louis, 
    887 F.3d 857
    , 860 n.4 (8th Cir. 2018) (same); Strain v. Regalado, 
    977 F.3d 984
    , 991 (10th Cir. 2020)
    (same); Dang ex rel. Dang v. Sheriff, Seminole Cnty., 
    871 F.3d 1272
    , 1279 n.2 (11th Cir. 2017)
    (same); see also Brawner, 14 F.4th at 601 (Readler, J., dissenting); Castro v. County of Los
    Angeles, 
    833 F.3d 1060
    , 1086 (9th Cir. 2016) (en banc) (Ikuta, J., dissenting).
    Our Court was one that took Kingsley as a veiled call to action to rewrite our deliberate
    indifference standard. Brawner, 14 F.4th at 597 (maj. op.). How to do so, however, has divided
    us once again. All agree that a deliberate indifference plaintiff must prove an objectively serious
    harm. But what about the claim’s state of mind component? The Brawner majority opinion
    concluded that Kingsley “modifi[ed]” our former subjective standard so that the defendant’s
    inaction had to be “deliberate[] (not accidental[])” and “reckless[] in the face of an unjustifiably
    high risk of harm that is either known or so obvious that it should be known.” Id. at 596
    (citation omitted). At least three of us understood that standard to require a plaintiff to prove an
    objectively serious harm and two states of mind—one with respect to the harm suffered by the
    plaintiff and one with respect to the defendant’s response to that harm. Trozzi v. Lake County, 
    29 F.4th 745
    , 757–58 (6th Cir. 2022). Now, a separate panel of our Court reads Trozzi as in tension
    with Brawner, meaning Brawner controls. See Helphenstine, 60 F.4th at 317; see also United
    States v. Abboud, 
    438 F.3d 554
    , 567 (6th Cir. 2006) (observing that the prior panel rule governs
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    when “two lines of cases directly conflict and cannot be reconciled”). And still other members
    of our Court have confessed understandable confusion over the issue. See Westmoreland v.
    Butler County, 
    35 F.4th 1051
    , 1052 (6th Cir. 2022) (Bush, J., dissenting from denial of rehearing
    en banc) (listing the many struggles our Circuit has had with applying Brawner); Britt v.
    Hamilton County, No. 21-3424, 
    2022 WL 405847
    , at *6 (6th Cir. Feb. 10, 2022) (Clay, J.,
    dissenting) (lamenting the majority for misapplying Brawner and arguing that post-Brawner all
    that is left of the “deliberate indifference test for pretrial detainees is . . . the objective test”); see
    also Westmoreland, 29 F.4th at 729 (maj. op.) (adopting for the analogous failure-to-protect
    claim an intentional state of mind requirement concerning the “decision” made by the officer
    separate and apart from the Brawner inquiry); see also Buetenmiller v. Macomb Cnty. Jail, 
    53 F.4th 939
    , 945–46 (6th Cir. 2022) (same). Simply put, that so many have said so much in so
    little time is both an acknowledgement that Brawner has left ample room for debate over its
    holding as well as a recognition of the frequency with which these cases appear on our docket.
    See Brawner II, 18 F.4th at 556 (Readler, J., dissenting from denial of rehearing en banc).
    In an area of law that deserves precision, our approach reflects more of a shotgun blast.
    The original sin in this legal drama, it bears noting, was not ours. It was the Supreme Court’s
    decision to divine constitutional rights for inmates who have been harmed in prison. Estelle v.
    Gamble, 
    429 U.S. 97
    , 103–04 (1976); see also Brawner II, 18 F.4th at 552–55 (Readler, J.,
    dissenting from denial of rehearing en banc) (tracing how both our pre- and post-trial detainee
    deliberate indifference jurisprudence and the establishment of a “nebulous” reasonableness
    standard have their roots in Estelle). No one condones mistreating prisoners, no matter their
    underlying offense. But state law can easily account for that mistreatment, with both causes of
    action and remedies. See Kingsley, 576 U.S. at 408 (Scalia, J., dissenting). Yet for many years
    now, these garden variety tort claims have also been deemed matters of constitutional
    significance.
    The Supreme Court could return all of these actions to state court. See Hudson v.
    McMillian, 
    503 U.S. 1
    , 28–29 (1992) (Thomas, J., dissenting). And there are grounds to do so.
    See Janus v. AFSCME, Council 31, 
    138 S. Ct. 2448
    , 2486 (2018) (recognizing that a decision’s
    poor reasoning, unworkability, inconsistency with other decisions, along with a lack of reliance
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    interests, provide “special justification” for overruling constitutional precedent). Start with
    Estelle’s reasoning, which leaves much to be desired. Estelle began by evaluating whether the
    Fourteenth Amendment’s Due Process Clause, together with the incorporated Eighth
    Amendment’s prohibition on cruel and unusual punishments, had any relevance to a prisoner’s
    complaint that he received insufficient medical care after being injured on a prison work
    assignment. 
    429 U.S. at
    98–102. The ensuing legal analysis made only passing references to
    those constitutional provisions, however, let alone the debate underlying their enactment.
    Instead, reflecting the period’s atextual approach to constitutional interpretation, Estelle
    expressly eschewed any consideration of the Constitution’s original meaning, today’s touchstone
    for constitutional interpretation. 
    429 U.S. at
    102–03. Estelle instead favored “more recent
    cases” that, in its view, better embodied the “broad and idealistic concepts of dignity, civilized
    standards, humanity, and decency.” 
    Id. at 102
     (citation omitted). From these preferred views of
    life and law, an affirmative constitutional right to medical care for the incarcerated was born. 
    Id.
    at 104–05.
    In the ensuing decades, the Supreme Court has largely repudiated this manner of
    constitutional interpretation. Trozzi, 29 F.4th at 751 (discussing how the Supreme Court has
    since rejected Estelle’s understanding of the Eighth Amendment and the notorious “evolving
    standards of decency” rubric). And as Estelle’s progeny (including the experiment in applying
    the Kingsley standard to deliberate indifference claims) has shown, this entire constitutional
    regime has proved wholly unworkable.         See Brawner II, 18 F.4th at 552–55 (Readler, J.,
    dissenting from denial of rehearing en banc) (discussing the extended and convoluted “efforts in
    this Circuit to tortify the Constitution” that all rest on the same amorphous approach). With
    precedents pointing in all directions, the disharmony in the case law in this setting is as extreme
    as any. Especially when the standard is more or less reduced to “reasonableness,” this legal
    regime lacks any manner of predictability for officers and detainees alike. Given this state of
    affairs, and with state law as an adequate backdrop against which to litigate deliberate
    indifference claims, reliance interests are minimal at best. See Hein v. Freedom from Religion
    Found., Inc., 
    551 U.S. 587
    , 637 (2007) (Scalia, J., concurring) (observing there is “no relying on
    the random and irrational”).
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    Yet this flawed interpretative path continues. As backdrop for today’s case, Farmer v.
    Brennan set the general standard for lower federal courts to follow in deliberate indifference
    claims.     Farmer explained that a detainee pursuing a substantive due process claim for
    insufficient medical care must satisfy both an objective component (a sufficiently serious
    medical need) and a subjective component (a sufficiently culpable state of mind—specifically,
    that the “official knows of and disregards an excessive risk to inmate health or safety”). 
    511 U.S. at 834, 837
    . Brawner, however, concluded that Kingsley necessitated a “modification of the
    subjective prong of the deliberate indifference test” for pre-trial detainees. 14 F.4th at 596.
    Cobbling together a hodgepodge of legal terminology, the new test in our Circuit for finding
    liability requires that a defendant’s:
    action (or lack of action) was intentional (not accidental) and . . . [the defendant]
    either acted intentionally to ignore [the detainee’s] serious medical need [or]
    recklessly failed to act reasonably to mitigate the risk the serious medical need
    posed to [the detainee], even though a reasonable official in [the defendant’s]
    position would have known that the serious medical need posed an excessive risk
    to [the detainee’s] health or safety.
    Id. at 597.
    I dissented in Brawner. Setting aside the fact that Kingsley has no applicability in the
    deliberate indifference setting, id. at 605, 608–09 (Readler, J., dissenting), to the extent it is
    applicable, it was not “entirely clear” to me how Brawner’s new standard “differ[red] from our
    traditional subjective indifference test,” id. at 610. Consider the following: although Kingsley
    adopted an objective standard for the nature of the force being used by the state officer, it
    expressly rejected the view that liability could be imposed without some intent by the officer to
    use force in the first place. 576 U.S. at 395–96. In Kingsley’s words, echoed in the new
    Brawner standard, a defendant must still act “deliberately (not accidentally).” 14 F.4th at 596
    (maj. op.). In “terms of proof necessary to make out” the claim, I understood the majority
    opinion for its part, to be doing very little. Id. at 610 (Readler, J., dissenting). The Brawner
    majority opinion said nothing to contradict this observation.
    More broadly, I recognized our circuit’s tendency to water down deliberate indifference
    claims into a more general “right to be free from jailhouse . . . malpractice.” Id. And an
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    aggressive reading of Brawner, I worried, would erode that standard even more, relinquishing
    “any serious inquiry into the subjective intentions of the sued government official” in favor of a
    nebulous inquiry into the reasonableness of the defendant’s failure to take appropriate action.
    Brawner II, 18 F.4th at 555 (Readler, J., dissenting from denial of rehearing en banc). After all,
    once it is determined that a plaintiff had an “objectively, sufficiently serious” medical need under
    Farmer’s first prong, 
    511 U.S. at 834
    , if Brawner replaced all subjective inquiries with a civil
    recklessness standard, a plaintiff would need only show that the defendant was objectively
    “unreasonable” in not taking action to abate such a risk, 
    id. at 836
     (describing civil recklessness
    as failing to act reasonably in the face of a high risk of harm).
    Reasonable minds could read Brawner in different ways. See Hyman v. Lewis, 
    27 F.4th 1233
    , 1237 (6th Cir. 2022) (“Brawner is far from clear[.]”). To my mind, Brawner did not
    clarify what it means for a defendant officer to “act[] deliberately (not accidentally), but also
    recklessly” in failing to act, thereby giving rise to liability. 14 F.4th at 596. Instead, Brawner
    left the issue for future panels to ponder. One was Trozzi. There, a unanimous panel held that a
    pre-trial deliberate indifference claim required a showing that:
    (1) the plaintiff had an objectively serious medical need; (2) a reasonable officer
    at the scene (knowing what the particular jail official knew at the time of the
    incident) would have understood that the detainee’s medical needs subjected the
    detainee to an excessive risk of harm; and (3) the prison official knew that his
    failure to respond would pose a serious risk to the pretrial detainee and ignored
    that risk.
    29 F.4th at 757–58. Where did this three-part test come from? Brawner. The first prong is the
    old objective prong cited in Brawner. 14 F.4th at 597 (“(1) that she had an objectively serious
    medical need . . .”). The second prong parrots Brawner’s modification of the old subjective
    prong and its focus on the harm facing the detainee, id. at 596 (observing that a defendant must,
    at the very least, face “an unjustifiably high risk of harm that is . . . so obvious that it should be
    known” (citation omitted)), albeit with the caveat that we judge reasonability from the
    perspective of the jail official in question, a principle acknowledged in Brawner, id. at 597 (“[A]
    reasonable official in Nurse Massengale’s position would have known . . . .”). The final prong,
    admittedly, introduces into the mix a state of mind beyond civil recklessness. But the emphasis
    is not on the nature of the risks to the detainee’s health or safety (i.e., the subject of Farmer’s
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    subjective prong that Brawner modified), but rather the defendant’s response to those risks.
    Brawner is replete with references to that separate state-of-mind inquiry.        Its formulation,
    remember, still requires that a defendant’s behavior be “deliberate[] (not accidental[]),” id. at
    596; see also id. at 597 (requiring defendant’s conduct to be “intentional (not accidental)”),
    language echoing Kingsley and its maintenance of a subjective state of mind requirement, 576
    U.S. at 395–96.
    Following a thorough discussion, Trozzi adopted a confined understanding of Brawner.
    And for good reason. Reading Brawner as eliminating any state-of-mind inquiry would ignore
    language in Brawner itself requiring that the actor’s “lack of action” be “intentional (not
    accidental).” 14 F.4th at 597. A nebulous “reasonableness” approach would likewise turn a blind
    eye to Brawner’s repeated assertions that it was not imposing a negligence standard, but merely
    “modif[ying]” Farmer’s subjective prong. Id. at 593, 596. Above all, Brawner’s raison d’être,
    Kingsley, itself maintained the foundational rule that a constitutional tort must take into
    consideration the subjective state of mind at play. 576 U.S. at 395–96. Accepting Brawner’s
    conclusion that Kingsley governs, Trozzi attempted to translate the “two separate state-of-mind
    questions” in the excessive force context to this new frontier. Trozzi, 29 F.4th at 757. It did so
    by explaining that civil recklessness governs the external question of the degree of harm facing
    the detainee, while criminal recklessness, at the very least, governs the behavior of the
    government official. See id. at 757–58. Any other understanding of Brawner would simply
    adopt the plaintiff-friendly part of Kingsley and omit the rest, contrary to longstanding precedent
    restraining our substantive due process jurisprudence. See Kingsley, 576 U.S. at 396; see also
    County of Sacramento v. Lewis, 
    523 U.S. 833
    , 848–49 (1998); Daniels v. Williams, 
    474 U.S. 327
    , 331–32 (1986).
    That takes us to today’s case. The panel opinion read the three-part test from Trozzi as
    “irreconcilable with Brawner.” Helphenstine, 60 F.4th at 316. I, of course, disagree. Either
    way, Helphenstine’s main point of emphasis was to recite the various disagreements among the
    circuits on the Kingsley question. Id. After having done so, the panel concluded that Brawner
    settled all of these disagreements by “requir[ing] us to lower the subjective component from
    actual knowledge to recklessness.” Id. at 316. In many respects, this feels like two ships passing
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    in the night. Trozzi did not hold that Brawner refrained from lowering the subjective component.
    Instead, Trozzi’s second prong expressly incorporated the civil recklessness standard from
    Brawner’s modified subjective approach with a caveat about its appropriate focus. 29 F.4th at
    757–58. What Brawner (and, more to the point, Kingsley) did not do was say that the only state
    of mind at issue was with respect to the risks to the detainee. There still needed to be an
    examination of whether the defendant’s inaction was accidental, see Brawner, 14 F.4th at 597,
    which Trozzi held cannot be supported tautologically by simply pointing to the inaction itself,
    see 29 F.4th at 757. That approach also bears out in the analogous failure-to-protect claim,
    where we require an intentional state of mind concerning the officer’s “decision,” separate and
    apart from the Brawner inquiry.         Westmoreland, 29 F.4th at 729 (maj. op.); see also
    Buetenmiller, 53 F.4th at 945–46 (explaining Westmoreland’s intentionality prong).
    Otherwise, there is nothing left for a court to do save for applying a generic
    “reasonableness” standard. Which, in all candor, leads to results hard to square with one
    another. Helphenstine is a good example. We held that it is normally reasonable for prison
    officials to manage a detainee going through drug or alcohol withdrawal without seeking outside
    medical assistance. Helphenstine, 60 F.4th at 321. That is so even if the official sees “[s]tuff
    coming out” of the detainee’s mouth. Id. But if the “stuff” is “vomit[]” that occurs “at least
    once,” it is now unreasonable for a prison official not to recognize the need for immediate
    outside medical help. Id. at 317–18. Or consider Greene v. Crawford County, 
    22 F.4th 593
     (6th
    Cir. 2022). There, we held, it is unreasonable not to seek medical help based on hearsay from a
    coworker about a detainee’s lack of sleep and delusional thoughts, 
    id.
     at 610–11, but it is
    reasonable if you only hear about the detainee’s delusions, id. at 613.
    So where does that leave us? Three judges in Trozzi thought a narrow interpretation of
    Brawner was not only possible but indeed necessary. Prior opinions had largely said the same.
    See Hyman, 27 F.4th at 1237 (noting the opacity of Brawner’s new standard). Then, in response
    to an en banc petition asserting that Trozzi was irreconcilable with Brawner, “[l]ess than a
    majority of the judges” ultimately voted in favor of rehearing. Trozzi v. Lake County, 
    2022 WL 2914589
    , at *1 (6th Cir. July 12, 2022). And now a different panel reads Trozzi as irreconcilable
    with Brawner, yet laments the deep confusion these issues have caused “all over the map.”
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    Helphenstine, 60 F.4th at 316. Meanwhile, all sides to the en banc briefing in this case—
    including the detainee’s estate—agree that Brawner was wrongly decided and confusing. See
    Lewis County’s Pet. at 3–4, 7–12 (discussing the “tremendous confusion in attempting to
    consistently apply the nebulous” Brawner standard by both this Court and by the district courts
    in our Circuit); Von Luhrte’s Pet. at 1, 7–15 (describing the “discordant approaches to analyzing
    deliberate indifference” in this Circuit); Helphenstine’s Resp. at 11–13 (refusing to defend
    Brawner and the “confusion” it “caused among the panels of and district courts in this Circuit”).
    With signs pointing in all directions, even the most careful reader would likely find
    herself at a crossroads. For judges and academics, these are theoretical concepts to debate. But
    for prison officials, these decisions—as incongruent as they are—govern their everyday conduct.
    See Procunier v. Martinez, 
    416 U.S. 396
    , 404–05 (1974), overruled on other grounds by
    Thornburgh v. Abbott, 
    490 U.S. 401
     (1989) (describing the “Herculean obstacles” prison
    officials face in “effective[ly] discharg[ing] . . . the[ir] duties”). And as we continue to lower the
    bar for liability, we increasingly put these officials in impossible situations, ones the Constitution
    surely was never contemplated to resolve.         See Brawner II, 18 F.4th at 557 (Readler, J.,
    dissenting from denial of rehearing en banc). For all involved, we must do better.
    *       *       *       *       *
    A year and a half into the experience, Brawner’s promise that “[m]ere negligence is
    insufficient” appears to be an empty one. 14 F.4th at 596. I can understand our en banc court’s
    reluctance to take up the issue here, given the many competing views on the underlying legal
    standard in our circuit and others along with the high bar for convening en banc proceedings.
    But at some point, intervention is needed. With confusion rampant coast-to-coast, the Supreme
    Court would appear to be the proper forum. For the sake of litigants and courts alike, the
    Supreme Court should soon grant certiorari in a case involving allegedly unconstitutional
    deliberate indifference toward a pretrial detainee.
    It may be too much to ask for the Supreme Court to revisit the application of substantive
    due process principles in this context, but reconsidering Estelle would not be a bad place to start.
    At the very least, the Supreme Court can resolve whether Kingsley’s excessive force analysis
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    should be grafted on to deliberate indifference claims. And, if Kingsley sweeps so broadly, what
    test are the inferior courts to use in resolving those cases?     As both Trozzi and this panel
    decision recognize, the Kingsley circuit split is more than mature—it is having offspring. Trozzi,
    29 F.4th at 754; Helphenstine, 60 F.4th at 316 (noting three circuit splits to emerge in the
    “circuits that extend Kingsley’s objective inquiry to deliberate indifference”). Disagreements
    abound, from whether to apply Kingsley to deliberate indifference claims, to the test to apply if
    so, to whether the same test applies in various settings for conditions of confinement claims.
    This is no small matter. As court records reflect, these cases populate every docket across the
    federal     courts.     See     IDB       Appeals      2008–Present,       Fed.      Jud.       Ctr.,
    https://www.fjc.gov/research/idb/interactive/21/IDB-appeals-since-2008 (last visited Apr. 18,
    2023) (listing more than 76,000 “prisoner civil rights” and “prison condition” claims in the
    federal appellate courts since 2008, approximately 16.8% of all civil appeals); see also Zhen
    Zeng, Bureau of Justice Statistics, NCJ 251774, Jail Inmates in 2017, at 1 (2019) (reporting that
    almost two-thirds of jail inmates were “unconvicted”). But until Supreme Court intervention
    comes to pass, we are left to muddle on, following paths leading in any and all directions.
    ENTERED BY ORDER OF THE COURT
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    Deborah S. Hunt, Clerk