Gregory-Bey v. Hanks, Craig ( 2003 )


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  •                             In the
    United States Court of Appeals
    For the Seventh Circuit
    ____________
    No. 01-1066
    LAWRENCE GREGORY-BEY,
    Petitioner-Appellant,
    v.
    CRAIG A. HANKS,
    Respondent-Appellee.
    ____________
    Appeal from the United States District Court for the
    Southern District of Indiana, Indianapolis Division.
    No. 94-C-903—David F. Hamilton, Judge.
    ____________
    ARGUED FEBRUARY 13, 2002—DECIDED JUNE 13, 2003
    ____________
    Before COFFEY, MANION, and WILLIAMS, Circuit Judges.
    COFFEY, Circuit Judge. In November 1985, two men
    robbed a McDonald’s restaurant in Indianapolis, Indiana.
    During the course of the robbery, the men locked five of
    the employees in the freezer of the restaurant and pro-
    ceeded to murder the manager. Three months after the
    crime, four of the five surviving employees identified
    Lawrence Gregory-Bey (“Gregory-Bey”) as one of the
    perpetrators of the crime. After a Marion County, Indiana
    jury convicted Gregory-Bey of murder, robbery, criminal
    confinement, and a host of other offenses associated with
    the McDonald’s crime, Gregory-Bey’s direct appeal lan-
    guished in the Indiana state court system for nearly ten
    years before it was finally resolved. While Gregory-Bey
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    waited for the state court system to resolve his direct
    appeal, he filed a petition for habeas corpus relief in the
    Southern District of Indiana, which we allowed to pro-
    ceed in spite of the procedural requirement that he ex-
    haust his state remedies, due to the inordinate delay and
    malfunctioning of the Indiana state court system, through
    no fault of the defendant. The federal district court for
    the Southern District of Indiana denied Gregory-Bey’s
    petition, and he appeals. We affirm.
    I. Factual Background
    A.
    The two robbers entered the Indianapolis McDonald’s
    restaurant shortly after 7 a.m. on November 17, 1985. After
    drinking some coffee and remaining on the premises until
    all the other customers in the restaurant departed, the
    two men brandished handguns, announced themselves
    as robbers, and ordered the five employees (Angela Grinter,
    Urhonda Graham, Patrice Hampton, Kathryn Blakely,
    and Sonia Meads) and the assistant manager (DeWayne
    Bible) to the back of the store. The robbery itself lasted
    about five to ten minutes and netted the men slightly over
    $1,000. The robbers, not satisfied with their illicit pro-
    ceeds, forced all but one of the employees into the freezer
    room, while keeping one as a hostage. In an act of bravery,
    Bible asked the criminals to take him as their hostage
    rather than his employee, and they did so, locking the
    other five employees in the restaurant’s freezer. Approxi-
    mately five minutes later, the employees in the freezer
    heard two or three gunshots. After waiting several min-
    utes and when the employees were no longer able to
    hear the voices of the robbers, believing that they had
    departed, the employees kicked the locked freezer door
    open. Upon exiting the freezer, they discovered Bible’s
    body, lying on the floor in a pool of blood with two closely
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    spaced gunshot wounds at the base of his head (execu-
    tion style).
    Shortly thereafter, the police arrived and they sepa-
    rated the witnesses and proceeded to tape record state-
    ments from each of them concerning the details of the
    crime, including their respective descriptions of the crimi-
    nals. The victims estimated that over the course of the
    robbery, they had five to ten minutes to view the faces
    of the robbers. Their descriptions of the robbers’ features
    were relatively consistent, varying only in the amount
    of detail provided. They described one of the suspects
    (whom they later identified as Gregory-Bey) as a dark-
    skinned African American male, between 5'10" and 6'1" in
    height, with a slight build (125-130 pounds), uncombed or
    matted Afro, a small amount of facial hair or thin beard,
    and pock-marks or acne scars on his face.
    After providing the police with descriptions of the two
    robbers, three of the witnesses—Grinter, Graham, and
    Hampton—met collectively with a police artist and pro-
    vided a description that was subsequently used in the
    creation of composite sketches of the two robbers. Police
    placed copies of these sketches in the vicinity of the crime
    scene, resulting in the police receiving several tips.
    In the weeks following the robbery, the police received
    information that Gregory-Bey might have been involved in
    the McDonald’s robbery and Bible’s murder. Accordingly,
    the police produced a black-and-white photograph of
    Gregory-Bey from the Indianapolis Police Department
    and placed it among a set of at least a half dozen other
    black and white photographs of black men, which they
    displayed to the victims in hopes of getting a positive
    identification of the robbers. (R. at 406.) The record is
    clear that these photos were of poor quality and that no
    witness was able to positively identify the suspect from
    the photo display. (R. at 472-73, 543, 577-78, 612-13, 636-
    37.)
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    The police department refused to terminate their inves-
    tigative efforts just because of the lack of an identifica-
    tion from the admitted poor quality of the initial photos
    presented. Detective Fred Jackson next secured a (color)
    photo of Gregory-Bey from the police department’s photo
    lab. This photo (marked as State Exhibit 3A, and in-
    cluded in the record before us on appeal), while apparently
    more clear than the original photo, still did not reveal
    the subject’s features in detail sufficient for any of the
    witnesses to make a positive identification of the suspect,
    as the face is largely shadowed. Two months after the
    crime, Jackson displayed this photo, within a stack of
    twenty-seven other color photos, to witnesses Blakely,
    Graham, Grinter, and Hampton individually. All four
    testified that although they felt the man pictured “looked
    like” one of the robbers, they still couldn’t be sure be-
    cause the picture wasn’t clear. (R. at 414, 425-26, 544, 581,
    593-94, 616-17, 640-41, 1057, 1163.)1
    Detective Elmer Combs was also in possession of an-
    other (color) photo of Gregory-Bey (marked as State Exhibit
    4, and included in the record before us on appeal), but
    this photo was much clearer than the one Jackson had.
    The face in Combs’ photo is clearly visible, and the defen-
    dant’s features (acne, facial hair, hair style) are clearly
    distinguishable. Shortly thereafter, he displayed this
    different picture of Gregory-Bey in another photo array
    with five other pictures to the victim-witnesses. When the
    witnesses were shown this markedly different photo
    1
    The record does not support the dissent’s conclusion that
    Blakely’s identification was tainted by the fact she was apparently
    growing tired of Sergeant Jackson’s frequent visits with her.
    Post at 9. It is clear from the record that the two color pictures
    of Gregory-Bey that Blakely was shown differed significantly
    from each other, and that the poor quality of the first picture
    prevented her from making a certain identification.
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    individually, their reactions were decisive and swift. With-
    in “seconds,” each of the four witnesses—Blakely, Graham,
    Grinter, and Hampton—individually and positively iden-
    tified Gregory-Bey as one of the robbers. (R. at 436, 438,
    440, 544-46, 592, 614-16, 640.)2 The witnesses’ identifica-
    tions were made independently of each other, and with-
    out any assistance or suggestions from the detectives.3
    Blakely and Graham even began to “shake” when seeing
    a clear picture of the face of the perpetrator.4 Thus, the
    record reflects that four of the five surviving victims
    individually selected Gregory-Bey’s photograph from the
    six-picture photo spread.
    2
    The final witness, Meads, was unable to make an identification.
    3
    The dissent points to testimony by one witness—Grinter—that
    Sergeant Jackson supposedly told her before she viewed the
    photos that another witness had positively identified a suspect
    from within the same set she was about to examine. She later
    stated that she wasn’t sure whether Jackson’s alleged comment
    was made before or after he displayed the pictures to her.
    (R. at 1035.) The dissent also cites United States v. Smith, 
    156 F.3d 1046
    , 1050 (10th Cir. 1998), for the proposition that it is
    “unduly suggestive for police to tell witnesses to assume the
    suspect was in the photo array.” Post at 6. The Smith case does
    not stand for so broad a principle. While not condoning the
    practice of “stating or implying” that witnesses had chosen the
    “correct” photo, the court found that statements of this nature
    did not rise to the level of “coaching” a witness. 
    Id. at 1050
    .
    4
    After Detective Combs told Sergeant Fred Jackson, who had
    previously shown Blakely photographs of suspects, that Blakely
    had identified Gregory-Bey as one of the robbers, Jackson
    was skeptical of Blakely’s identification. But when Combs showed
    him the color photograph that Blakely had identified, Jackson
    made clear that it was “completely different from” the photo-
    graph that he (Jackson) had presented to Blakely (the one
    from which she was not able to make a positive identification).
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    Based upon these positive identifications recounted
    above (from four out of the five surviving victim witnesses),
    the police arrested and took Gregory-Bey into custody
    on March 2, 1986, and the following day arranged for a
    physical identification lineup of six men, enacted in the
    presence of Gregory-Bey’s counsel. Before viewing the
    lineup, the police instructed the witnesses about cer-
    tain guidelines for the lineup procedures. Specifically, the
    police stated to the witnesses that the suspect “may or
    may not be in the line-up” and also that they were “not
    to talk to each other about anything.”5
    The witnesses viewed the lineup in two separate groups.
    First, Blakely, Grinter, and Graham viewed the lineup
    and were given a numbered form to mark if they were
    able to identify the suspect (each person in the lineup had
    a number). Blakely immediately picked Gregory-Bey out
    of the lineup and marked her form accordingly.6 Blakely
    later stated at her deposition that as she did so, she
    5
    Detective Combs delivered the instruction to the witnesses.
    Curiously, the defendant’s attorney asked no further questions
    of the detectives about the specificity or scope of the instruction.
    The record is not sufficiently clear to allow us to ascertain
    whether or not the police advised the witnesses specifically
    whether they were prohibited from discussing their experiences
    in the lineup after they had completed the lineup procedure
    and had departed from the police station.
    6
    The dissent somehow claims that Blakely was unsure about her
    identification of Gregory-Bey. Post at 9. The trier of fact obviously
    believed that any supposed equivocation on Blakely’s part in
    identifying Gregory-Bey was attributable more to aggressive
    questioning by defense counsel than by actual confusion on
    Blakely’s part about who had perpetrated the robbery and
    murder, given the impressive amount of evidence demonstrating
    the reliability of Blakely’s identification (shaking upon seeing
    the clear photo of the defendant, her immediate selection of him
    at the lineup, etc.).
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    overheard Grinter and Graham whispering to each other,
    contrary to the instructions to refrain from talking, and
    heard them saying that they were scared to pick the
    perpetrator, for fear of being identified. Graham also
    testified that she had “whispered [to Grinter] in the con-
    ference room” after the lineup procedure was completed
    about who was in the lineup and that Graham told Grinter
    that she “thought it was number five.” Additionally,
    Graham remarked that Grinter had whispered that she
    believed the suspect was “number three.” Grinter, however,
    testified that this exchange took place when the witnesses
    were riding home together in the company of each other
    after the identification lineup procedure, and not in the
    conference room at the police station. In any event, because
    of their respective fears that the suspect could see them
    through the glass, neither Grinter nor Graham marked
    their identification forms while viewing the lineup.7 Next,
    Hampton and Meads viewed the lineup, and neither of
    them made a positive identification of Gregory-Bey at that
    time. Hampton, repeating the same fear expressed by
    Grinter and Graham that she could be seen through the
    glass, refused to give the police a positive identification.
    Shortly after the lineup, Graham, Grinter, and Hampton
    made contact with the police and informed them that they
    had seen one of the robbers in the lineup, but were afraid
    to select him because they were fearful that he might
    have been able to see them as they made their identifica-
    tions.8 Shortly thereafter, the police arranged for Grinter,
    Graham, and Hampton to view a videotape of the lineup
    7
    Graham testified that at the lineup, Gregory-Bey’s hair was
    combed; in the photo array, his hair was braided; and during
    the robbery, the perpetrator’s hair was “wild.” (R. at 1161.)
    8
    According to Graham, the police never informed the witnesses
    that the suspects on display in the police lineup would not be
    able to see them.
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    at another identification procedure and once again Gregory-
    Bey’s counsel was present during the witnesses’ viewing
    of the videotape. All three witnesses were deposed by
    defense counsel immediately after viewing the videotape
    lineup and each one of them positively identified Gregory-
    Bey as one of the perpetrators of the robbery and murder.
    B.
    Based on these positive identifications (from the photo-
    graphic array, the live lineup, and the videotape line-
    up) made by witnesses Blakely, Grinter, Graham, and
    Hampton, Gregory-Bey was charged with murder (
    Ind. Code Ann. § 35-42-1-1
    ), felony murder (
    Ind. Code Ann. § 35
    -
    42-1-1), conspiracy to commit robbery (Ind. Ann. Code § 35-
    41-5-2), robbery (
    Ind. Code Ann. § 35-41-5-1
    ), criminal
    confinement (six counts) (
    Ind. Code Ann. § 35-42-3-3
    ), and
    carrying a handgun without a license (
    Ind. Code Ann. § 35
    -
    47-2-1).9 Before trial, Gregory-Bey moved to suppress the
    identifications by Blakely, Hampton, Grinter, and Graham,
    on the grounds that the police identification procedures
    were “inappropriate and lead [sic] to a suggestive identifi-
    cation.” Gregory-Bey argued that the police had influenced
    the victims’ identifications by “repeatedly present[ing]” his
    picture and that the witnesses had “conferred” in making
    their identifications at the physical lineup.
    On October 1 and November 17, 1986, the trial judge
    conducted an extensive hearing (350 pages of testimony)
    outside the presence of the jury before ruling on Gregory-
    9
    During the long and thorough investigation prior to the arrest
    of Gregory-Bey, two other suspects were at one time charged
    with the McDonald’s robbery and Bible’s murder. Neither of
    them was ever brought to trial due to what the prosecutors
    stated was a lack of sufficient evidence. Thus, Gregory-Bey was
    the only person charged and subsequently convicted for the
    crimes.
    No. 01-1066                                                     9
    Bey’s motion to suppress. During the hearing, defense
    counsel vigorously questioned the victim witnesses as
    well as detectives Jackson and Combs about the investiga-
    tive procedures the police employed. The defense focused
    on the composition of the various photographic arrays, the
    allegedly suggestive comments Jackson made before
    showing the witnesses the photos, Jackson’s supposed
    expression of “happ[iness]” after a positive identification,
    the purported improprieties that occurred during the
    physical lineup, and the witnesses’ failure to positively
    identify Gregory-Bey earlier in the course of the investiga-
    tion. Defense counsel was allowed to introduce in evi-
    dence before the jury the composite sketch, transcripts of
    the witnesses’ statements on the day of the crime, the po-
    lice bulletin issued on the day of the crime that provided
    a description of the two suspects, and the videotape of
    the physical lineup. The state trial judge, after reviewing
    all of these exhibits and testimony submitted on behalf
    of the defendant, refused to suppress the witness identifi-
    cations.
    At trial, all four of the witnesses (Blakely, Grinter,
    Graham, and Hampton) identified Gregory-Bey in open
    court for a third time as one of the perpetrators of the
    crimes. Once again defense counsel was given another
    opportunity to thoroughly and exhaustively question the
    victim witnesses regarding their failure to identify Gregory-
    Bey from the initial (poor quality) photographic arrays,
    any alleged improper suggestions made by the police dur-
    ing their viewing of the same arrays, and any alleged
    improper communication among the witnesses during
    and after the lineups.10 Each one of the four witnesses
    unequivocally and emphatically stated at trial that she was
    10
    In addition, the defense counsel had ample opportunity to
    attempt to undermine the reliability of the witnesses’ identifica-
    tions of Gregory-Bey.
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    certain that Gregory-Bey was one of the perpetrators of the
    heinous murder and robbery at the McDonald’s restaurant
    and furthermore that the police officers had not influenced
    their identification. The Marion County, Indiana, jury—
    after reviewing all of the testimony and exhibits intro-
    duced—found the testimony of the lay witnesses—as well
    as that of the police officers—not only credible, but also
    reliable and convincing, and returned a verdict of guilty
    on all counts. The defendant was sentenced to an aggre-
    gate term of 281 years in prison.
    C.
    The day after his 1986 conviction, Gregory-Bey filed
    a praecipe requesting that a transcript be prepared in
    order that he might proceed with his appeal process. Some
    eight years later, in 1994, neither his trial counsel nor his
    successor counsel (appointed in 1992) had so much as
    filed an appellate brief on Gregory-Bey’s behalf. Gregory-
    Bey then turned to the federal courts for relief, filing a
    petition under 
    28 U.S.C. § 2254
     alleging that there had
    been an inordinate delay in his state court appeal process
    and seeking habeas corpus relief on his claim of improp-
    er witness identifications. We will not review the entire
    history of Gregory-Bey’s attempt to get the Indiana Su-
    preme Court to review his claim as that history is ade-
    quately set forth in our 1996 opinion, reflecting our deci-
    sion holding that the nearly 10-year delay in resolving
    Gregory-Bey’s direct appeal in the state courts had deprived
    him of his right to a timely appellate review in the state
    court system. Gregory-Bey v. Hanks, 
    91 F.3d 146
    , 
    1996 WL 394011
    , *2-3 (7th Cir. July 11, 1996) (Cummings, J.). In so
    ruling, we concluded that Gregory-Bey, because of the poor
    lawyering on the part of his appointed counsel and the
    failure to timely proceed with his appeal, be excused from
    the requirement that he must exhaust his state court
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    remedies before seeking habeas corpus review in a fed-
    eral court.11 
    Id.
     On remand, the federal district court (Judge
    Hamilton) addressed Gregory-Bey’s claim that the wit-
    ness identifications were unreliable on the merits. The
    trial judge found, after the hearing, that although some
    of the pre-trial identification procedures were unduly
    suggestive (but only with regard to witnesses Graham and
    Grinter), all of the other identifications were “nonetheless
    reliable,” Gregory-Bey v. Hanks, 
    2000 WL 1909642
    , at *17-
    18, and also that Graham’s and Grinter’s in-court identifi-
    cations had not been tainted by the improper pre-trial
    procedures. 
    Id. at *18-20
    . Hence, no relief was warranted.
    
    Id. at *28
    .
    II. Issues
    On appeal, Gregory-Bey repeats the same issues he
    presented to the federal district court—that the state
    trial court’s decision to allow the in-court witness iden-
    tifications denied him due process because they were
    unreliable and the product of unduly suggestive inves-
    tigative procedures. Gregory-Bey argues that the identifi-
    cations were unreliable for three primary reasons: (1) “the
    witnesses failed to identify photographs of [Gregory-
    Bey] . . . on multiple occasions”; (2) the police allegedly
    improperly reinforced the witnesses’ selection of Gregory-
    Bey from the photographic arrays after the witnesses had
    made their identifications; and (3) the witnesses, at sev-
    eral stages of the investigation, allegedly collaborated with
    each other and discussed who the perpetrator might be.
    11
    Although we suggested that “when the Indiana Court of Ap-
    peals renders its decision . . . Gregory-Bey’s delay [will] be ended,”
    the state failed to petition for rehearing when the Indiana
    Supreme Court denied his direct appeal eight days after we
    remanded his § 2254 petition to the district court for considera-
    tion on the merits.
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    III. Analysis
    A.
    Gregory-Bey filed this § 2254 petition in the district
    court for the Southern District of Indiana in June 1994,
    almost two years prior to AEDPA’s effective date. Because
    the amendments to the habeas corpus statute contained
    in that Act therefore do not apply, we analyze Gregory-
    Bey’s due process claims under the law then in effect. See
    Lindh v. Murphy, 
    521 U.S. 320
    , 322-23 (1997). Prior to
    AEDPA, federal courts disregarded the state court’s legal
    conclusions and reached independent judgments on the
    issues presented, but deferred to the state court’s find-
    ings of fact. Koo v. McBride, 
    124 F.3d 869
    , 872 (7th Cir.
    1997). In pre-AEDPA cases, when federal courts re-
    view mixed questions of law and fact, federal courts may
    give different weight to the facts as found by the state
    court and thus reach a different conclusion in light of the
    legal standard. Montgomery v. Greer, 
    956 F.2d 677
    , 680 (7th
    Cir. 1992). Further, under pre-AEDPA standards, a § 2254
    petitioner is entitled to plenary review of his claims. Agnew
    v. Leibach, 
    250 F.3d 1123
    , 1129 (7th Cir. 2001).
    B.
    Prior to reaching the merits of a constitutional claim
    raised in a habeas corpus petition, we must initially
    determine whether the defendant-appellant has procedur-
    ally defaulted his claim that the state’s witness identifica-
    tion procedures violated his right to due process of law. We
    must ensure that the habeas corpus petitioner has over-
    come two procedural hurdles, exhaustion and procedural
    default, before reaching the merits of his claim. Spreitzer
    v. Schomig, 
    219 F.3d 639
    , 644 (7th Cir. 2000). The failure
    to raise an issue on direct appeal (as did Gregory-
    Bey’s appellate counsel in his failure to raise the witness
    identification issue in the first appeal to the Indiana
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    Supreme Court) will generally bar a defendant from raising
    it later in a post-conviction proceeding. Menzer v. United
    States, 
    200 F.3d 1000
    , 1005 (7th Cir. 2000); Kurzawa v.
    Jordan, 
    146 F.3d 435
    , 441 (7th Cir. 1998). The requirement
    that state courts should have the first opportunity to
    cure a claim of continued confinement stems from, inter
    alia, the belief that those courts are in the best position
    to correct their own errors, from the understanding that
    state courts are equally obligated to follow federal law,
    and from the desire for comity between state and federal
    court systems. See O’Sullivan v. Boerckel, 
    526 U.S. 838
    ,
    844-45 (1998); Kurzawa, 
    146 F.3d at 440
    .
    As a procedural default is not jurisdictional, any argu-
    ment that Gregory-Bey has defaulted his due process
    claim can be waived by the government. Hernandez v.
    Cowan, 
    200 F.3d 995
    , 997 (7th Cir. 2000); Nichols v. United
    States, 
    75 F.3d 1137
    , 1145 n.17 (7th Cir. 1996). We refuse
    to penalize the defendant-appellant Gregory-Bey under
    this unique sequence of events that led to his direct ap-
    peal being delayed for nearly ten years. The state has
    waived any argument that he has procedurally defaulted
    his due process claims. Through no fault of the petitioner,
    by the time Gregory-Bey finally was able to appeal the
    merits of his habeas corpus petition to this court, more
    than fifteen years had elapsed since the date of his convic-
    tion.
    Throughout the history of Gregory-Bey’s attempts to
    have the state court examine the merits of his allegation
    that the witness identification procedures were flawed,
    Gregory-Bey’s basic constitutional right of appellate review
    was delayed for reasons beyond his control. Initially,
    Gregory-Bey attempted to secure review in the Indiana
    court system immediately following his 1986 conviction
    with the filing of a praecipe to commence the appellate
    process in the state court. Inexplicably, and despite numer-
    ous written inquiries by the petitioner Gregory-Bey re-
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    garding the status of his appeal, his attorneys (both his
    original and successor attorney appointed in 1992) failed
    miserably, neglecting to file an appellate brief on his
    behalf until 1994. Second, Gregory-Bey did not sit idly
    by while his attorneys frittered away his opportunity to
    appeal. He repeatedly attempted—to no avail—to communi-
    cate and correspond with his appointed counsel. Eight
    years after his conviction, without so much as one single
    appellate brief being filed in the state courts on his behalf,
    the petitioner Gregory-Bey was forced to turn to the fed-
    eral courts on his own and sought habeas corpus relief.
    We should also point out that in 1996, Gregory-Bey filed
    a motion with the Indiana Supreme Court pro se request-
    ing that he be allowed to “withdraw and amend” the
    brief filed by his attorney because it failed to raise the
    issue of the propriety of the witness identifications. Unfor-
    tunately, the Indiana Supreme Court also declined to
    address Gregory-Bey’s concerns and swept aside the
    problem raised in his pro se motion, for reasons unex-
    plained, just as it had done in protecting his attorneys’
    tardiness in pressing his appeal.12 In short, the state
    12
    We recognize that normally the assertion of the right to
    representation constitutes a de facto waiver of the right to proceed
    pro se. See United States v. Johnson, 
    223 F.3d 665
    , 668 (7th Cir.
    2000). In this case, however, Gregory-Bey’s attorneys had
    failed to even file a brief in his direct appeal for more than eight
    years. When a brief was finally filed (eight years after his convic-
    tion), Gregory-Bey alerted the Court that he questioned the
    quality of the brief and stated that he believed the brief to be
    inadequate and that he would like to raise additional issues.
    Given the less than lawyer-like conduct and performance of his
    counsel, the Indiana Supreme Court should have been alerted
    by his motion that his counsel’s performance was deficient not
    just in her timeliness, but also in her review and presentation
    of Gregory-Bey’s case. Further, Gregory-Bey’s initial counsel
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    exceeded the limits of the procedural default doctrine. As
    procedural default provides the state with the opportu-
    nity to correct its own errors, we think that given Gregory-
    Bey’s repeated efforts to place the factual and legal basis
    of his claim before the Indiana Supreme Court and the
    Indiana Supreme Court’s inability or unexplained refusal
    to provide Gregory-Bey with any reasonably timely appel-
    late review, we refuse to sandbag the appellant and
    hold that the state has waived the right to make any
    argument that he procedurally defaulted the issues raised
    in his § 2254 petition. Thus we address the merits of
    Gregory-Bey’s petition.
    C.
    Eyewitness identification testimony can violate a defen-
    dant’s constitutional right to due process of law when it
    creates a “ ‘substantial likelihood of irreparable misidentifi-
    cation.’ ” Neil v. Biggers, 
    409 U.S. 188
    , 198 (1972) (quoting
    Simmons v. United States, 
    390 U.S. 377
    , 384 (1968)); see
    also Cossel v. Miller, 
    229 F.3d 649
    , 655 (7th Cir. 2000). In
    determining the constitutionality of an identification pro-
    cedure, we undertake a two-step analysis. McGowan v.
    Miller, 
    109 F.3d 1169
    , 1173 (7th Cir. 1997). As an initial
    matter, the petitioner must demonstrate that the iden-
    tification procedures were unduly suggestive. United
    States v. Traeger, 
    289 F.3d 461
    , 473-74 (7th Cir. 2002);
    United States v. Harris, 
    281 F.3d 667
    , 670 (2002). If the
    petitioner successfully demonstrates that the challenged
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    raised the witness identification issue in a 1990 motion to correct
    errors before the state trial court. Throughout the history of his
    appeal, Gregory-Bey corresponded with appellate counsel and
    urged her—without success—to press the witness identification
    issue.
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    procedure was unduly suggestive, the court must then
    determine, under the “totality of the circumstances,”
    whether the identification was sufficiently reliable to
    prevent misidentification. Traeger, 
    289 F.3d at 473-74
    ;
    Harris, 
    281 F.3d at 670
    . In assessing the reliability of
    an identification procedure, the courts consider the follow-
    ing factors:
    (1) the opportunity of the witness to view the criminal
    at the time of the crime; (2) the witness’ degree of
    attention; (3) the accuracy of the witness’ prior descrip-
    tion of the criminal; (4) the level of certainty demon-
    strated by the witness at the confrontation; and (5)
    the length of time between the crime and the confronta-
    tion.
    Biggers, 
    409 U.S. at 199-200
    .
    Under the first prong of the Biggers test, Gregory-Bey
    must establish that the witness identification procedures
    employed by the police were unduly suggestive. Gregory-
    Bey claims that the police tainted the identification proce-
    dure when they allegedly singled him out by repeatedly
    showing the witnesses his picture along with a number of
    other pictures in photo arrays. Next, he alleges that the
    police improperly reinforced Grinter’s identification by
    informing her that another witness had selected the same
    suspect in the photo array. Finally, Gregory-Bey claims
    that the identification procedures were tainted because
    several times during the investigation stage of the pro-
    ceedings, the witnesses supposedly collaborated with each
    other when making their identification known to the
    authorities. We address the nature of the alleged sugges-
    tiveness of each procedure in turn.
    The Supreme Court has warned that showing wit-
    nesses a photograph of the same person several times
    may increase the risk of misidentification. Simmons v.
    United States, 
    390 U.S. 377
    , 383-85 (1968); see also Kubat
    No. 01-1066                                                   17
    v. Thierret, 
    867 F.2d 351
    , 358 (7th Cir. 1989). The danger
    to be avoided in identification procedures is that of orches-
    trating the procedure so that one particular suspect
    stands out from the others and the procedure implicitly
    suggests to the witness that “this is the man.” See Foster v.
    California, 
    394 U.S. 440
    , 442-43 (1969). We have held
    previously that there is nothing per se unconstitutional
    about showing witnesses the photograph of a particular
    suspect multiple times as part of an array. See, e.g., Harris,
    
    281 F.3d at 670
    ;13 Stewart v. Duckworth, 
    93 F.3d 262
    , 265-
    66 (7th Cir. 1996); United States v. Donaldson, 
    978 F.2d 381
    , 386-87 (7th Cir. 1992); Kubat, 
    867 F.2d at 358
    .
    Gregory-Bey goes on to argue that the display and record
    procedures employed by the police detectives were defec-
    tive. For example, although the police displayed several
    photographic arrays to the witnesses, they failed to spe-
    cifically document how often the witnesses were shown
    the particular photographic arrays and which other pic-
    tures were included with the defendant’s in each of the
    arrays. The defense also points out that Grinter stated
    the police let her know that another witness had iden-
    tified a suspect from within the same set of photos before
    she was shown the stack of photographs, and that Graham
    noted that the police appeared “kind of happy” after she
    identified Gregory-Bey’s photograph.
    In the case before us, the evidence establishes that
    the displays of Gregory-Bey’s photograph on more than
    one instance, along with several other suspects in each
    13
    In Harris, this Court stated: “[T]here is nothing per se imper-
    missible about placing the same suspect in two different identifi-
    cation procedures.” It is interesting to note that the author of
    the dissent in the case before us was on the panel that decided
    Harris, voted to affirm Harris’ conviction, and registered no
    objection to the language cited herein.
    18                                                    No. 01-1066
    of the arrays presented, cannot be classified as unduly
    suggestive, for it is abundantly clear from the testimony
    in the record that the colored photograph of Gregory-Bey
    that the witnesses identified (which revealed in detail for
    the first time his features such as facial hair or acne
    scars) was distinctly unique and different from the other,
    darker color photograph included in an earlier array
    (which failed to display any features such as facial hair or
    acne scars).14 In Stewart we concluded that showing a
    witness photos of the same suspect three separate times
    along with other pictures did not render the identification
    unduly suggestive because the photos were markedly
    separate, distinct, and different. Stewart, 
    93 F.3d at 265-66
    (noting, inter alia, that the defendant’s photo “did not
    stand out in the arrays”). It is evident from our review of
    the evidence that because the photographs of the defen-
    dant used in the photographic arrays (from the first set
    of black and white photos to the second and third set of
    color photos) were so markedly unique and different from
    each other, we are convinced that the photographic lineup
    referred to was not unduly suggestive and thus did
    14
    The dissenting opinion posits that the absence of the original
    black and white photo from the record before us renders us
    powerless to come to any conclusion as to “the difference, if any,
    between the black and white and color photos . . . .” Post at 3. This
    argument ignores the fact that the district court had before it
    trial testimony directly on this point—from the police officers and
    from witnesses—that even though the black and white photo
    depicted the same subject as the color photo, the black and
    white photo was of such inferior quality that it very well may
    be most accurately described as “markedly different.” The dissent
    grants as much, noting that only one of the four eyewitnesses
    was able to recognize the perpetrator, and then only “tenta-
    tively,”post at 4, whereas all four were able to make certain—even
    emphatic—identifications upon viewing the high quality color
    photo (Exhibit 4).
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    not violate Gregory-Bey’s due process rights.15 See id.;
    Donaldson, 
    978 F.2d at 386-87
    ; Kubat, 
    867 F.2d at 358
    .
    Gregory-Bey next argues that the identification proce-
    dures were unduly suggestive because police officers
    allegedly reinforced both Graham and Grinter’s identifica-
    tion of Gregory-Bey’s picture after they had selected his
    picture from the photographic lineup. Initially, Gregory-Bey
    complains that it was unnecessarily suggestive for Ser-
    geant Jackson to tell Grinter before she viewed the photos
    that another witness had positively identified a suspect
    from within a stack of over two dozen (24) other photos
    she was about to examine. But mere knowledge that
    another witness has selected a suspect from a photospread
    of pictures does not make the procedures unduly sugges-
    tive. See McGowan v. Miller, 
    109 F.3d 1168
    , 1174-75 (cit-
    ing United States v. Moskowitz, 
    581 F.2d 14
     (2d Cir.
    1978) (holding that a witness’s viewing of photographs
    of a six-person lineup, after being told that her original
    15
    The dissenting opinion rightly notes the confusing nature of
    some of the eyewitnesses’ responses to questions about the photo
    arrays that were raised on cross-examination at their depositions,
    the suppression hearing, and at trial. Post at 3-4. As has been
    explained above, however, much of the confusion centers on
    which of the two colored photos the detectives showed the
    witnesses, not on the poor quality black and white photos used
    early in the investigation.
    For instance, the colloquy between Gregory-Bey’s counsel and
    witness Blakely to which the dissent refers, post at 3, n.3,
    concerned Exhibits 3A and 4. Exhibit 3A is the poor quality color
    photo with Gregory-Bey’s face case in shadows that Detective
    Jackson testified he brought over to Blakely’s house. (Tr. 5
    at 1220; Tr. 2 at 416.) Exhibit 4 was the better quality color photo
    that Detective Combs brought to Blakely’s house shortly there-
    after. (Blakely Dep. at 72; Tr. 3 at 640; Tr. 3 at 686.) Exhibit 3A
    was of such inferior quality that at least one other witness
    (Graham) confused it for a black and white photo. (Tr. 3 at 619.)
    20                                                No. 01-1066
    choice was an FBI clerk and that the other two witnesses
    selected the “right” individual, was not unduly suggestive).
    Gregory-Bey also argues that both Graham and Grinter
    testified that the officers appeared happy or excited after
    their selection of Gregory-Bey as being contained in the
    photographic lineup, thus improperly reinforcing their
    identifications. He goes on to argue that after the al-
    legedly improper reinforcement, the witnesses were apt
    to retain in their memory the photographic image, rather
    than the image of the perpetrator they actually saw at
    their crime. Gregory-Bey is reaching out for any argument
    that might have even the slightest conceivable chance of
    success, but we refuse to conclude that the procedures
    employed by the police in displaying Gregory-Bey’s picture
    with a number of other suspects were unduly suggestive.
    An identification procedure is unduly suggestive when
    it is so suggestive as to create a substantial likelihood of
    irreparable misidentification. See Moore, 115 F.3d at 1360.
    Where the police subtly (or in some cases possibly even
    not so subtly) thrust upon the witness signals or clues
    that lead the witness to select a predetermined suspect,
    the identification procedure is not likely to provide an
    unbiased reflection of the witness’s personal knowledge.
    Foster, 
    394 U.S. at 442-43
    . But we are convinced that
    in this factual situation this is not a case where the police,
    like a magician pushing the two of hearts upon an unwit-
    ting audience member asked to “pick a card,” prodded the
    witnesses to select Gregory-Bey (and not some other
    suspect) from the photospread. Gregory-Bey has been
    unable to point out to us any example of evidence in the
    record that might even suggest that the police tipped the
    witnesses off to the fact that Gregory-Bey’s picture was
    among the many photographs in the display. In the past
    we have held that procedures more suggestive than these
    fell short of rising to the level of a constitutional violation.
    For example, we held that a photographic lineup in which
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    the primary suspect’s photograph was a mug-shot with a
    time-date stamp corresponding with the approximate
    time of the crime was not unduly suggestive. Kubat, 
    867 F.2d at 358-59
    . Similarly, we have found that a photo-
    graph of a suspect with visible ankle shackles was not
    unduly suggestive. Traeger, 
    289 F.3d at 473-74
    . We do not
    think that the fact that the police “seemed happy” after
    Graham and Grinter had selected Gregory-Bey from the
    stack of photos raises even an iota of concern that the
    police’s “suggestion” might have caused an “irreparable
    misidentification.”16
    Finally, Gregory-Bey alleges that the identification
    procedures were unnecessarily suggestive because the
    witnesses collaborated in providing details for an artist’s
    composite sketch rendering and because Graham and
    Grinter spoke with each other during the physical lineup
    (exchanging not only their fear that the suspects could
    see them, but also their suspicions regarding which of the
    men in the lineup had been the perpetrator of the crimes).
    Gregory-Bey has failed to point us to any case law, nor
    have we discovered any, to support his theory that wit-
    ness collaboration in assisting an artist’s production of
    composite sketches renders the procedure unduly sugges-
    tive. Indeed, the converse is more likely true. If witnesses
    collaborate and share their knowledge with the sketch
    artist, it is most evident and logical that the artist will
    be able to produce a more accurate and detailed sketch.
    See United States v. Messina, 
    507 F.2d 73
    , 76 (2d Cir. 1974).
    16
    The cases cited by the dissent all involve police officers “telling”
    witnesses that their identifications were “correct.” Post at 6. Here,
    we refuse to hold that vague statements about the officers’ al-
    leged expressions of “happiness” imperils the reliability of the
    identifications. Indeed, one witness (Graham) testified that the
    officers “didn’t say [I] picked out the right person . . . . They just
    was [sic] kind of happy . . . but I don’t know what they were happy
    about” (emphasis supplied).
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    The conversations between Graham and Grinter, during
    and after the physical lineup, merit discussion. Both
    Graham and Grinter reported that they were fearful that
    the suspect would be able to see them through the glass
    at the lineup and both agree that for this reason they
    were reluctant to identify the suspect because of fear and
    whispered about these fears during the lineup. Although
    the police instructed the witnesses to avoid “talk[ing] to
    each other about anything,” we cannot see how the wit-
    nesses’ sharing of fears that the suspect might be able
    to see them raises even a modicum of concern about the
    suggestiveness of the procedure, for it has absolutely
    nothing to do with the identification procedure itself.
    There is conflicting testimony, however, from Graham
    and Grinter about when they spoke with each other con-
    cerning their opinions as to which of the persons in the
    lineup they believed to be the perpetrator. According to
    Graham, the two talked about their potential identifica-
    tions at the police station, but only did so after the comple-
    tion of the lineup. Grinter agreed and testified that the
    conversation took place after the execution of the lineup,
    and furthermore that it only occurred after the two wit-
    nesses had completed the identification procedure and
    had departed from the police station. It is not the role of
    an appellate court to second-guess the finders of fact
    because the cold pages of an appellate record do not allow
    us the opportunity to observe the verbal and nonverbal
    behavior of the witnesses, including their reactions and
    responses to the interrogatories, any confused or nervous
    speech patterns, their facial expressions, attitudes, tone
    of voice, eye contact, posture, fidgeting, perspiring, and
    body movements. See United States v. Frykholm, 
    267 F.3d 604
    , 612 (7th Cir. 2001); United States v. Tolson, 
    988 F.2d 1494
    , 1497 (7th Cir. 1993). In this case, although the
    state trial judge failed to particularize and articulate the
    amount of weight he gave to the testimony of each of the
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    individual witnesses, it is clear that he believed and
    credited their statements that they were certain about
    their identifications and, more importantly, that their
    separate identifications had not been influenced by the
    police. Given the nature of the fear and anxiety that
    certainly was created by the trauma of being involved in the
    robbery and murder episode, it is less than surprising
    that the lay witnesses would be most fearful and thus
    reluctant to identify the suspect in that they were ap-
    prehensive about being identified by him, and it is more
    than plausible that their whispering had only the effect of
    encouraging each other to overcome their fears. We have
    observed before that cross-examination is “the greatest
    legal engine ever invented for the discovery of truth.”
    Rodriguez v. Peters, 
    63 F.3d 546
    , 556 (7th Cir. 1995). In this
    case, defense counsel was allowed to and given great
    latitude to exhaustively cross-examine the witnesses
    regarding their identifications, both before the judge dur-
    ing the suppression hearing and before the jury at trial,
    and in each instance failed to shake their positive identifi-
    cations of the murderer/robber. Defense counsel had
    ample opportunity to test the knowledge, recollections,
    “perceptions, memory and bias of the witnesses, contempo-
    raneously exposing weaknesses and adding perspective
    in order to lessen the hazards of undue mistake.” 
    Id.
     From
    our review of this case, we are convinced that the jury
    did have ample opportunity to observe and weigh the
    alleged but unproven suggestiveness of the identifica-
    tions, and we find nothing in the record to prove otherwise.
    Accordingly, we are unconvinced that the whispering
    between Graham and Grinter concerning their fears could
    possibly rise to the level of being unduly suggestive.17
    17
    The dissent cites a 1971 case from another circuit in which a
    post-lineup conference was found to have tainted the later in-court
    (continued...)
    24                                                    No. 01-1066
    Even if we were to believe that Graham’s and Grinter’s
    conversations about their fears during and after the
    physical lineup rendered the lineup an unnecessarily
    suggestive procedure, we would affirm the decision of
    the state court because Gregory-Bey has failed to estab-
    lish that under the totality of the circumstances the in-
    court identifications of each of the four witnesses were
    unreliable because of the alleged suggestive procedure.
    United States v. Funches, 
    84 F.3d 249
    , 253 (7th Cir. 1996).
    We bear in mind during this examination that “the pri-
    mary evil to be avoided is a very substantial likelihood
    of irreparable misidentification.” Biggers, 
    409 U.S. at 198
    .
    It is the reliability of identification evidence that prima-
    rily determines its admissibility. Manson v. Braithwaite,
    
    432 U.S. 98
    , 113-14 (1977). As the Supreme Court has
    pointedly noted, “the only duty of a jury in cases in
    which identification evidence has been admitted will
    often be to assess the reliability of that evidence.” Watkins
    v. Sowders, 
    449 U.S. 341
    , 347 (1981). Further, we note
    that “[j]uries are not so susceptible that they cannot
    measure intelligently the weight of identification testi-
    17
    (...continued)
    identifications of two of the three witnesses. See post at 7, citing
    Montiero v. Picard, 
    443 F.2d 311
    , 313 (1st Cir. 1971). The
    Montiero case, unlike the case before us, involved a police officer
    asking three witnesses, one at a time and in the presence of each
    other, who each thought the perpetrator was. It hardly needs
    stating that the facts of this case are not even remotely similar
    to the facts of the Montiero case. Nor does the majority believe
    that simply because the police used the same lineup in the video
    as the live lineup that the identifications are corrupt. This
    assertion, somehow leading the dissent to conclude both that “the
    procedures were unreasonable” and that they “created the
    substantial likelihood of irreparable misidentification” at best
    can be classified as mere speculation and is unsupported in
    our case law.
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    mony that has some questionable feature.” Abrams v.
    Barnett, 
    121 F.3d 1036
    , 1042 (7th Cir. 1996) (citing Manson
    v. Braithwaite, 
    432 U.S. 98
    , 116 (1977)). Based on this
    record, we are confident that the jury diligently assumed
    their duty and obligation under the law and followed
    the court’s instructions in dealing with the witness iden-
    tification question and also when evaluating the reliabil-
    ity of the eyewitness testimony, and furthermore we see
    no reason to doubt their finding that the eyewitness
    testimony was reliable. See United States v. Miller, 
    276 F.3d 370
    , 375 (7th Cir. 2002) (holding that juries are
    presumed to follow their instructions).
    As noted above, Biggers announced several factors to
    consider in assessing the reliability of an identification:
    (1) the opportunity of the witness to view the criminal
    at the time of the crime; (2) the witness’ degree of
    attention; (3) the accuracy of the witness’ prior descrip-
    tion of the criminal; (4) the level of certainty demon-
    strated by the witness at the confrontation; and (5)
    the length of time between the crime and the confronta-
    tion.
    Biggers, 
    409 U.S. at 199-200
    . In applying the factors
    announced in Biggers, we note that the factual situation
    before us points overwhelmingly towards the reliability
    of the eyewitness identifications. First, the witnesses had
    sufficient opportunity to observe the robbers with a fixed
    and heightened degree of attention. All four of the wit-
    nesses had ample time (five to ten minutes at the crime
    scene) to view the robbers as they committed their rob-
    bery and proceeded to herd them into the store’s freezer.
    The witnesses testified that Gregory-Bey approached
    them and made clear their intention to rob the store, thus
    giving them ample time and opportunity to view his face
    and bodily features over the course of several minutes
    and from multiple angles during the course of robbery.
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    Neither of the robbers wore masks and the store was
    well lit. See, e.g., United States v. Clark, 
    989 F.2d 1490
    ,
    1495-96 (7th Cir. 1993) (two-minute robbery during broad
    daylight gave witnesses the opportunity to obtain definite
    impression of the robber’s appearance). Second, we em-
    phasize that the witnesses were not casual observers to
    the crime, but direct eyewitness victims. See Manson, 
    432 U.S. at 115
     (witness identifications are more reliable
    when the witnesses are not casual observers, but are
    instead victims of the crime); United States v. Newman, 
    144 F.3d 531
    , 536 (7th Cir. 1998) (same).
    More importantly, four of t7he five surviving witnesses
    all provided what can best be classified as consistent
    and accurate descriptions of Gregory-Bey immediately after
    the crime. As we have pointed out supra, their descrip-
    tions were sufficient to allow the creation of a fairly accu-
    rate composite sketch, which in turn led to the police
    receiving a tip that Gregory-Bey was probably involved
    in the crimes. All four of the witnesses described Gregory-
    Bey as dark skinned. Three of the four (Graham, Grinter,
    and Hampton) described him as having an Afro that
    was either matted or uncombed. Hampton and Grinter
    described his build as tall (5'10" to 6'1") and slight (135
    pounds). Lastly Hampton and Graham described Gregory-
    Bey as having a small beard or a little facial hair. All of
    these descriptions match Gregory-Bey’s appearance. That
    the witnesses were able to provide such an accurate
    and detailed description of Gregory-Bey is a further indica-
    tion of the reliability of their identifications.18
    18
    That the victims of a recently committed violent crime ini-
    tially provide descriptions that vary in some respects is not
    surprising, let alone fatal to their reliability. It is obvious that
    different people can and do react in different ways to the extreme
    stress oftentimes caused by a shocking event such as a robbery
    (continued...)
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    But most telling is the degree of certainty the witnesses
    demonstrated at the time of identification. Kathryn Blakely
    testified that when she came to Gregory-Bey’s picture
    she “kept starin[g] at the picture and . . . just started
    shakin[g].” Blakely was so certain that she had iden-
    tified the correct suspect that she became so distraught
    and fearful that she began to cry. Graham reported a
    similar experience when she selected Gregory-Bey’s photo-
    graph. Graham testified at the hearing on the motion
    in limine that she had “no trouble in picking him out” and
    was shaking so violently that she was unable to write her
    name.
    This is not a case of a flimsy identification resting upon
    a foundation of quicksand, where a minor slip-up by the
    police during the investigation might have seriously
    undermined the confidence in the reliability of the identifi-
    cation. Instead, this is a case where prior to trial four
    witnesses had independently identified—not once, but
    twice—Gregory-Bey as one of the perpetrators of these
    heinous violent crimes, murder and armed robbery. Two
    of those witnesses (Blakely, the first witness to identify
    Gregory-Bey both from the photos and the lineup, and
    Hampton) made their identifications completely independ-
    ently of anyone and were entirely unaffected by the al-
    18
    (...continued)
    and brutal murder. In an attempt to challenge the wealth of
    evidence concerning the identifications, the dissent focuses on
    alleged discrepancies in the initial description the victims gave
    to the police. Significantly, as noted supra, the test for reliability
    under Biggers includes not only the “accuracy of the witness’ prior
    description[s] of the criminal,” but “the opportunity of the witness
    to view the criminal at the time of the crime, the witness’ degree
    of attention, the level of certainty demonstrated by the witness
    at the confrontation, and the length of time between the crime
    and the confrontation.” Biggers, 
    409 U.S. at 199-200
    .
    28                                             No. 01-1066
    legedly suggestive procedures about which Gregory-Bey
    complains. All four witnesses expressed a great deal of
    confidence and certainty about their identifications. Al-
    though some of the initial detective work (identification
    procedures, unclear picture, and records thereof) might
    have been improved upon, it fell far short of creating
    a “substantial likelihood of irreparable misidentification.”
    It is not our duty—as an appellate court—to nitpick the
    record to find possible error, but rather to search for the
    truth and the truth alone in the type of factual situa-
    tion presented herein and render justice to the accused
    whether it be a finding of not guilty or guilty. The United
    States Constitution guarantees not a perfect trial, but
    only a fair one. See United States v. Harris, 
    271 F.3d 690
    ,
    704 (7th Cir. 2001). We have acted accordingly and con-
    firmed the considered judgment of the jury made up of
    the defendant’s peers.
    Because we find the identification procedures were
    neither unduly suggestive nor so unreliable as to create
    a “substantial likelihood of irreparable misidentification,”
    see Traeger, 
    289 F.3d at 473-74
    ; Biggers, 
    409 U.S. at 198
    ,
    Gregory-Bey’s sentence and conviction are AFFIRMED.
    WILLIAMS, Circuit Judge, dissenting. While I agree
    with the legal standard the majority uses to determine
    the reliability of the witnesses’ identification of Lawrence
    Gregory-Bey, I disagree with its application of that stan-
    dard. Based on the facts submitted, I believe that the
    identification procedures were unduly suggestive, mak-
    ing the identification of Bey by the four eyewitnesses,
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    Kathryn Blakely, Angela Grinter, Urhonda Graham, and
    Patrice Hampton, unreliable. Accordingly, I dissent.
    ***
    As the majority noted, we analyze whether the initial
    identification procedures were unduly suggestive and if
    so whether the undue suggestion impairs the reliability
    of the identification. See United States v. Newman, 
    144 F.3d 531
    , 535 (7th Cir. 1998); United States v. Duprey,
    
    895 F.2d 303
    , 307 (7th Cir. 1989). Our task is made particu-
    larly difficult in this case because the witnesses provided
    statements regarding the facts and circumstances sur-
    rounding their identifications to the police and in deposi-
    tion, motion to suppress, and trial testimony, and some
    portions of these statements are inconsistent.
    A. Unduly Suggestive
    Identification procedures are unduly suggestive when the
    suggestiveness creates a “very substantial likelihood of
    irreparable misidentification.” See United States v. Moore,
    
    115 F.3d 1348
    , 1360 (7th Cir. 1997) (internal quotation
    marks omitted). Bey challenges the identification proce-
    dures used during the photo array and lineups that
    form the basis of the witnesses’ identification of him.
    1. Photo arrays
    As the majority notes, repeated showing of a suspect’s
    picture in police photo arrays is not unduly suggestive if
    the photos do not resemble each other. See Stewart v.
    Duckworth, 
    93 F.3d 262
    , 265-66 (7th Cir. 1996) (after
    reviewing photos court ruled that the arrays were not
    unduly suggestive because the photos were dramatically
    different); United States v. Donaldson, 
    978 F.2d 381
    , 386-87
    (7th Cir. 1992) (court held repeat showings not unduly
    30                                                   No. 01-1066
    suggestive because the suspect’s photos were distinctly
    different). This court normally determines the resemblance
    by comparing the pictures in each array. 
    Id. at 387
    . In this
    case, the court was unable to compare the black and
    white photo and the color photos due to the unexplained
    absence of the black and white photo.1 So the majority
    relies on the witnesses’ testimony to decide if there was
    a dramatic difference between the photos. However,
    there are difficulties presented in this case because of
    the conflicting testimony of the witnesses regarding the
    differences between the black and white and color pho-
    tos.2 Given this conflicting testimony and the court’s
    inability to compare the actual photographs, this court
    cannot determine the difference, if any, between the
    black and white and color photos of Bey and thus wheth-
    er the repeated showing of Bey’s picture was unduly
    suggestive.
    Repeated showing of one suspect’s picture increases the
    likelihood that the witness will choose the recurring pic-
    ture not because it is the suspect, but because the witness
    remembers seeing the picture before. See Simmons v.
    1
    “Q [ to Officer Jackson]. Do you have a copy of the black and
    white photo that was shown? A. I don’t have a copy. . . . Q. No, I’m
    talking about the copy that was shown? A. No, I don’t know what
    happened to it.” Tr.2 at 409-10.
    2
    During her deposition, Blakely said that the black and
    white photo and the color photo were not distinctively different.
    “Answer [Blakely deposition readback]; the picture in the folder,
    they was exactly alike except the picture in the folder had more
    color to it than the picture was black and white. Question; the
    other was what? Answer; black and white. Question; was black
    and white or just darker? Answer; it was, it didn’t have any
    color to it. Question; but you still could tell the same facial
    features? Answer; yes. And you could still tell that it was the
    same picture and everything else? Answer; yes.” Tr.5 at 1220-21.
    No. 01-1066                                                      31
    United States, 
    390 U.S. 377
    , 383-84 (1968); Kubat v.
    Thieret, 
    867 F.2d 351
    , 358 (7th Cir. 1989). The likelihood
    that a witness will misidentify a suspect from repeated
    showings of the suspect’s photo is lessened if the witness
    at least tentatively identifies the suspect in the first photo
    array, as was the case in Kubat. See 
    867 F.2d at 356
    . In
    this case, only one of the four eyewitnesses tentatively
    identified Bey from the black and white photo,3 and she
    was still not completely certain that Bey was the robber
    upon viewing the color photos.4 Because three of the
    witnesses were unable to even tentatively identify Bey
    from the black and white photo5 and the only witness to
    3
    “Q [to Hampton]. So what did you say when you picked that
    picture out? A. Well, I told him that this looked like him but I
    couldn’t be sure because of the detail of the picture.” Tr.3 at 581.
    “A [Hampton]. “And there was a black and white photo in there
    that looked like the guy but I couldn’t uh, identify it because the
    picture wasn’t clear enough. Q. Okay. Did you say something to
    Jackson or anybody about that? A. Yes I did. Q. What’d you say
    to them? A. I told them that uh, this looked like the guy but
    the picture’s not clear.” Tr.6 at 1283-84.
    4
    “A [Officer Combs]. As I recall one (1) lady, Patrice Hampton,
    stated that she would uh, she felt 90% sure that was the man
    but she’d like to see him in person to see if that was him. She felt
    like once she seen him in person she’d know him.” Tr.3 at 684-85.
    5
    Blakely and Grinter testified at various points that they had
    tentatively identified Bey from the black and white photo. “A
    [Blakely]. It was uh, a black and white and it wasn’t real clear.
    Q. Were you able to distinguish the features in that photo? A. Yes,
    ‘cause I told my mother, I said that looks like the guy. And then
    she said, well if it is then call uh, Jackson back and let him know.
    But I didn’t.” Tr.5 at 1202. “Q [Grinter]. Okay. Was it a color
    photograph, the first one that you picked out that you said looked
    like it, looked like him? A. No. Q. It was uh, was it a black and
    white photograph? A. Yes.” Tr.3 at 546. However, their testimony
    (continued...)
    32                                                   No. 01-1066
    do so expressed uncertainty upon viewing the color
    photos, the repeated showing of Bey’s photo was unduly
    suggestive.
    The likelihood of irreparable misidentification was fur-
    ther exacerbated by comments made by the police. Be-
    fore picking Bey out of the photo array, the police told
    Grinter that another witness had picked a suspect out
    of the photos.6 According to Grinter, the police then
    showed her a photo array in which Bey’s photo was the
    only photo that had appeared in previous photo arrays.7
    Both Grinter and Graham claimed that when they chose
    5
    (...continued)
    is directly contradicted by other statements made by Blakely,
    Grinter, and Officer Jackson. “Q [Grinter]. Okay. Uh, what did
    that photograph look like? A. It was a black and white picture.
    Q. Okay. And what was the quality of that photo? A. It was too
    dark to see the features in his face. . . . Q. Did you, when you saw
    that photograph before did you identify it? A. No.” Tr.5 at 1034.
    “Q [to Officer Jackson]. Okay. Was uh, so Lawrence Gregory’s
    picture was included in this photo array of black and white
    pictures, is that correct? A. That’s correct. Q. And uh, to your
    knowledge was uh, did either Patrice Hampton or Kathryn
    Blakely pick him out of that photo array? A. No, they did not.”
    Tr.2 at 409; see also Blakely, Tr.3 at 636-39.
    6
    “Q [Grinter deposition readback]. When you picked somebody
    out you told Mr. Alden that [Fred Jackson] had told you that
    once other people had picked somebody out of the group, is that
    right? Yes. Did he tell you that before or after you made your
    selection? Answer; before. Question; before? Answer; yes.” Tr.3
    at 548.
    7
    “Q [to Grinter]. You ultimately picked the picture out that
    Detective Jackson showed you in this photo array, is that correct?
    A. Yes. Q. Had you seen any of the other individuals in this
    photo array in a group of pictures before? A. No. Q. Only Law-
    rence Gregory? A. Yes.” Tr.5 at 1058.
    No. 01-1066                                                     33
    Bey the police seemed excited,8 and Grinter further as-
    serted that the police indicated to her that Bey was the
    same person chosen by the other eyewitnesses.9 These
    statements and expressions of the police before and after
    Grinter and Graham identified Bey as a suspect have
    been found by other circuits to be unduly suggestive. See
    United States v. Smith, 
    156 F.3d 1046
    , 1050 (10th Cir.
    1998) (unduly suggestive for police to tell witnesses to
    assume the suspect was in the photo array); Grubbs v.
    Hannigan, 
    982 F.2d 1483
    , 1490 (10th Cir. 1993) (im-
    permissibly suggestive to cause a witness to assume that
    suspect was in photo array); Swicegood v. Alabama, 
    577 F.2d 1322
    , 1326-29 (5th Cir. 1978) (ordering habeas re-
    lief in part because police told witnesses after lineup that
    they had identified “the suspect that we had”); United
    States v. Jarvis, 
    560 F.2d 494
    , 500 (2d Cir. 1977) (practice
    of telling witnesses whether identifications are “correct”
    or not, could so taint an identification as to require exclu-
    sion of evidence).
    In sum, because the court cannot determine how similar
    Bey appeared in the photos used at each photo array,
    8
    “Q [to Grinter]. After you made your selection was Detective
    Jackson, did he appear to be excited that you’d made the selection
    that you, that you’d made? A. Yes.” Tr.3 at 549. “Question
    [Graham deposition readback]; when you picked him out what
    did they say to you when you picked him out? Answer; nothing.
    They was kind of happy like. . . . They just was kind of happy,
    you know, that I, like if I picked out the right person. They didn’t
    say you picked out the right person, that’s him. Question; did
    they give you the impression that you did pick out the right
    person then, obviously that you’d picked out. . . . Answer; in a
    way.” Tr.5 at 1163-64.
    9
    “Question [Grinter deposition readback]; did [Detective Jackson]
    indicate to you if that was the same person that the other girl
    picked out, he was happy to see you picked that person out?
    Answer; yes.” Tr.3 at 550.
    34                                                  No. 01-1066
    the witnesses were unable to identify Bey prior to view-
    ing the color photo, and the police made suggestive com-
    ments, I would hold that the photo array identification
    procedures for all four of the eyewitnesses were unduly
    suggestive.
    2. Lineup
    The lineup procedure employed by the police was
    also unduly suggestive, for several reasons. First, while
    waiting in the police conference room immediately after
    viewing the live lineup, and also later that day, Graham
    and Grinter discussed their potential identifications with
    one another.10 It was only after these conversations took
    place that Graham and Grinter identified Bey during
    a video lineup. Because they made positive identifica-
    tions only after learning of each other’s suspicions about
    whether the robber was in the lineup, their identifica-
    tions were tainted. See Montiero v. Picard, 
    443 F.2d 311
    ,
    313 (1st Cir. 1971) (finding certain identifications to be
    “tainted” because the witnesses identified a suspect only
    after hearing another witness identify that suspect).
    Second, Grinter said that before Blakely went to the
    lineup, she told Blakely that everyone had picked the
    10
    “A [Grinter]. We were uh, we were going home and we asked
    each other if we had picked anyone out of the line-up. Q. Uh hum.
    A. I said no. She said no. Uh, and her mother, Louella Spurling
    asked us did we see the person up there. And we said yes. And she
    said that we should of uh, marked the sheet.” Tr.5 at 1043. “Q [to
    Graham]. Alright. The two (2) of you whispered in the conference
    room about. . . A. Um hum. Q. . . who was in the line-up, is that
    right? A. Um hum. Q. Alright. And did you tell Angie that
    you thought it was number five (5)? A. Um hum.” Tr.3 at 622.
    No. 01-1066                                                   35
    same suspect out of the photo array.11 Grinter’s comments
    to Blakely prior to the live lineup probably suggested
    to Blakely that she should look for the person in the
    photo instead of making an independent identification,
    creating the substantial likelihood of irreparable mis-
    identification.
    Third, the identification of Bey by Hampton in the
    video lineup was unduly suggestive because the police
    used the same lineup in the video as the live lineup.12 This
    is problematic because of the possibility that the wit-
    nesses would discuss the live lineup before they were
    brought in to view the video lineup in the same way
    they discussed the photo array before attending the live
    lineup. Thus, the live and video lineups were unduly
    suggestive for the four eyewitnesses because the proce-
    dures were not reasonable and created the substantial
    likelihood of irreparable misidentification.
    B. Reliability of Identification
    Applying the five factors announced in Neil v. Biggers,
    
    409 U.S. 188
    , 199-200 (1972), I find that each of the four
    11
    “Q [Grinter deposition readback]. So when you were notified
    about going to the line-up did you have a conversation with
    anyone? Did you have a conversation with Urhonda, Patrice,
    Sonia or Kathryn about the fact you were going to a line-up?
    Answer; just that we were going down and if this guy really
    looked like the guy that robbed McDonald’s. Question; okay, and
    you had then talked to them about the fact that certain ones
    had picked him out of the photo display and it was the same
    one that you all picked out, you compared notes about that
    already before the line-up, is that correct? Answer; yes.” Tr.5
    at 1064-65.
    12
    “Q [to Hampton]. And what was that a video tape of? A. It was
    a video tape of the line-up? Q. Was it the exact same line-up that
    you’d seen uh, several weeks earlier? A. Right.” Tr.6 at 1296.
    36                                                   No. 01-1066
    eyewitnesses’ identifications of Bey was unreliable be-
    cause of their lack of certainty that Bey was the robber.
    In her first statement to the police, Blakely failed to
    describe any specific characteristics of the suspect beyond
    the fact that he was tall, skinny, and had dark skin. Tr.2
    at 381 (Defendant’s Exhibit C). In fact, Detective Jackson
    testified that within ten days of the robbery, Blakely
    intimated that a different dark-skinned man was the
    robber.13 In addition, the level of certainty Blakely ex-
    pressed when identifying Bey is troubling. Blakely was
    shown Bey’s picture several times before she could identify
    Bey.14 Blakely reasons that she did not identify Bey earlier
    because she was tired of the detective showing her the
    photos and wanted him to leave.15 This explanation se-
    verely undercuts the reliability of Blakely’s dramatic re-
    13
    “Q [to Officer Jackson]: Let me ask you this question; prior to
    December of 1985, as a matter of fact within ten (10) days after
    November the 17th, did Kathryn Blakely indicate to you that
    she thought she saw one uh, or someone who looked uh, the
    perpetrator of the robbery in a food stamp store in Indianapolis?
    A. Yes.” Tr.2 at 421.
    14
    “Q [to Blakely]. Now before that time you had seen the black
    and white photograph, is that correct? A. Just uh, yeah. Q. The
    last time that the photographs were brought to you, you had
    seen the photograph of this same individual. A. Yes.” Tr.3 at 641.
    15
    “Q [Blakely deposition readback]. He said, I just got to talking
    to Jackson and Jackson said he showed you this same picture. Did
    you know? I said, yeah I seen it. He said, well why didn’t you tell
    Jackson. I said, because I wasn’t really, I was just mad at him
    and was just really, I wasn’t paying no attention to him. I started
    at it and then I had a reaction and I just put it under the bottom
    and just gave them to him so he could go and hurry up and leave.”
    Tr.5 at 1219-20.
    No. 01-1066                                                   37
    action to Bey’s color picture16 and the certainty of her
    identification.
    Furthermore, Blakely testified at trial that when she
    identified Bey from the photo array more than three
    months after the robbery, she was certain Bey was the
    assailant.17 Notwithstanding this certainty, Blakely fur-
    ther testified that when she identified Bey at the lineup
    four months after the robbery,18 she thought that he was
    not the same man she had just picked out of the photo
    array.19 Moreover, when Blakely picked Bey out of the
    lineup she was not “100% sure” that Bey was the robber,
    but certain that Bey “looked exactly like [the robber].” Tr.5
    at 1228. Because Blakely initially identified someone
    else as a suspect nearly two weeks after the robbery,
    believed that the person she picked at the lineup was
    different from the person she picked out of the photo array,
    and was uncertain whether Bey was the robber, her prior
    identifications and her identification at trial were unreli-
    able.
    Grinter’s identification was no more reliable than
    Blakely’s identification. First of all, it is questionable
    16
    Blakely began to shake as soon as she saw Bey’s picture. “A
    [Blakely]. And then I started shaking and I told Combs, I said,
    this is the guy.” Tr.3 at 641.
    17
    “A [Blakely]. And [Officer Combs] said are you sure. And I said
    yes I’m sure.” Tr.3 at 641.
    18
    Blakely only participated in the live lineup in which Bey was
    present. Grinter, Graham and Hampton participated in the live
    lineup and the video lineup.
    19
    “Q [to Blakely]. Now Kathryn when you made the identification
    of the line-up how’d you feel about that? What, let me rephrase
    my question. Uh, did you recognize the person in the line-up that
    you picked as the person whose photograph you had picked? A.
    No. Q. Okay. Did you think you were picking someone different?
    A. Yes.” Tr.5 at 1207.
    38                                                   No. 01-1066
    whether Grinter had ample time to view the suspect at
    the time of the crime because she testified that she was
    afraid to look at him directly.20 However, assuming that
    she did have an opportunity to view the suspect and
    paid attention to him, Grinter still failed to accurately
    describe Bey in her first statement. Specifically, Grinter
    failed to mention that the suspect had bumps on his face,
    a mustache, and a beard. Tr.2 at 388 (Defendant’s Exhibit
    E). In fact, at her deposition and at the motion to sup-
    press hearing, she testified that the suspect did not have
    any scars or bumps on his face.21 Thus, her early descrip-
    tions of the suspect were not accurate. When she finally
    identified Bey more than three months after the robbery
    and after looking at photos at least three different times,
    see Tr.3 at 543-44, Tr.5 at 1056-57, she was certain that
    it was Bey.22 Nevertheless, Grinter was not so certain
    that Bey was the robber when she later went to the live
    lineup because she did not pick Bey23 and admitted to
    Graham that she thought it was someone other than Bey.24
    20
    “Q [to Grinter]. And were you sort of afraid to look at, look at
    them directly? A. Yes.” Tr.3 at 535.
    21
    “Q [to Grinter]. Did he have any scars? A. Not that I remember.”
    Tr.3 at 538. “Q [Grinter deposition readback]. Okay, were there
    any scars or birthmarks or any other features on the face you
    recognized? Answer; no.” Tr.3 at 540.
    22
    “A [Grinter]. The next time I was sure it was him. Q. The next
    time you were sure that was who? A. The dark skinned man
    that robbed McDonald’s.” Tr.3 at 545.
    23
    “Q [to Grinter]. And did you pick anybody out of the line-up? A.
    No.” Tr.3 at 551.
    24
    “Q [to Graham]. And did [Grinter] tell you who she thought it
    was? A. She, no she didn’t. Not that I remember. Q. What’s, did
    you ever tell me that you thought that she told you it was number
    three (3)? A. Yeah, I think so. Q. Okay. So you remember her
    (continued...)
    No. 01-1066                                                   39
    It was only after Graham said in Grinter’s presence that
    she believed that the suspect was number five, Bey, that
    Grinter identified Bey in the video lineup.25 Therefore,
    Grinter’s identification of Bey in the photo array, lineup,
    and at trial was unreliable.
    Graham’s identification of Bey was also unreliable.
    Graham had ample time to view the suspect, she paid
    attention to the suspect, and her first description matched
    Bey.26 However, Graham’s description of Bey changed
    over time. Graham later said that the suspect did not
    have a beard or mustache,27 but these characteristics were
    included in her first statement. Furthermore, although
    Graham finally identified Bey more than three months
    after the incident and after viewing photos at least three
    24
    (...continued)
    telling you that she thought it was number three (3) that was
    in the line-up? A. Uh huh.” Tr.3 at 622.
    25
    “Q [Grinter deposition readback]. Did [Graham] ever say to
    you she knew it was number so-and-so, did she ever say to her
    mother out loud she knew it was so-and-so, number five (5)?
    Answer; she told her mother. Question; that she knew it was
    number five (5)? Answer; yes.” Tr.5 at 1069. “Q [to Louella
    Spurling, Graham’s mother]. Do you remember which number
    [Graham] said? A. Yes, she said number five (5). And then Angela
    Grinter said number five (5) also.” Tr.5 at 1174.
    26
    “A [Graham]. His face was narrow and he had like a little beard
    like he was trying to shave and he had little bumps underneath
    here not that many but a little and a little beard and a little
    mustache. . . . A. He had you know like some scars he had
    from when he was little and they was just still in his face.” Tr.2
    at 385 (Defendant’s Exhibit D); see also Tr.3 at 608.
    27
    “Q [Graham deposition readback]. [T]here’s no question in
    your mind that uh, he had no facial hair at that time? A. Not to
    me he didn’t.” Tr.5 at 1155.
    40                                                    No. 01-1066
    different times,28 she did not pick Bey when she later went
    to the live line-up.29 She claims that she was scared,30 but
    she also testified that she did not pick Bey because his hair
    looked different.31 Because of Graham’s indecisiveness
    in her description and identification of Bey, Graham’s prior
    identifications and her identification at trial were not
    reliable.
    Finally, Hampton’s identification of Bey was unreliable.
    Hampton had ample time to view the suspect at the time
    of the crime, and there is no question that she paid atten-
    tion to the suspect at the time of the crime. Tr.3 at 563-71.
    Yet, her first statement failed to mention that the sus-
    pect had bumps on his face and a mustache.32 When she
    officially identified Bey’s photo, she had seen his picture
    28
    “A [Graham]. I didn’t, I didn’t think it was him so I didn’t uh, I
    didn’t see him. Q. Okay. And uh, then after that did you have
    a occasion to view photographs any other time. A. At home and
    at work.” Tr.3 at 611; see also Tr.5 at 1118-20.
    29
    “Q [to Graham]. Did any, but you didn’t pick anybody out?
    A. Um hum.” Tr.3 at 629.
    30
    “A [Graham]. Why I didn’t pick him out after I had told them
    it was him in Steve Goldsmith’s office and then they said why
    come I didn’t pick him out and I told them because I was scared.”
    Tr.3 at 630.
    31
    “Q [to Graham]. So did any of the detectives say anything to
    you about how could you pick him out of the photo array but
    not pick him out of the line-up? A. He, he looked different. His
    hair did.” Tr.3 at 629.
    32
    “Q [to Hampton]. Okay uh did he have a mustache? A. No he
    had facial hairs. Q. Facial hairs? A. Beard hairs. . . . Q. Any scars
    unusual on his face? A. No I didn’t see any. Q. Okay anything
    that you can think about that stood out about this guy? A. No
    but if you showed me a picture of em I bet you I could point
    him out.” Tr.2 at 373 (Defendant’s Exhibit A).
    No. 01-1066                                                       41
    three times,33 and she was not completely certain that it
    was Bey. Hampton requested to see Bey in person before
    she could be certain.34
    At the lineup Hampton failed to pick Bey35 and lied
    about it to the police.36 She did not change her story
    until she heard that someone had identified Bey as the
    suspect.37 Hampton then called the police and said that
    she failed to identify the suspect because she was scared.38
    Additionally, Hampton discussed the suspect with Grinter
    before the video lineup, although they claim that they
    33
    “Q [to Hampton]. Okay. So you saw the picture that you
    ultimately picked out three (3) different times. . . . A. Right.” Tr.3
    at 585.
    34
    See supra note 4.
    35
    “Q [to Hampton]. Did [Mr. Goldsmith] ask you if the person
    involved in the robbery was in the line-up? A. Yes. Q. What did
    you tell him? A. I told him no.” Tr.3 at 589.
    36
    “A [Hampton]. He told, he asked me did I uh, he asked me could
    I identify one of the guys. And I told him no. Q. So what, why
    did uh, was that true? A. Was it true that I could or couldn’t?
    Q. Well, you told him that you couldn’t, right? A. Right. Q. Was
    that true? A. No.” Tr.6 at 1293.
    37
    “A [Hampton]. So then it wasn’t until the next day that you
    contacted Detective Jackson and said that you did, in fact,
    know somebody in the line-up? A. Yes. Q. But at that point in time
    you knew Urhonda and Angie had not picked him out and they . . .
    A. No, at that time I didn’t because all I knew at that time is
    that one (1) of the girls picked out one (1) of the guys. And, one
    (1) of the guys I do not know which one they picked out. So, I
    couldn’t even answer that for you.” See Hampton dep., 6j, at 48.
    38
    “A [Hampton]. And when I called Dave Cook I had to explain
    to him everything that, you know, that I was scared to pick
    him out and the reason why and everything.” Tr.3 at 590.
    42                                                 No. 01-1066
    did not discuss whom they picked.39 Hampton’s uncer-
    tainty and subsequent conversations with the police and
    Grinter before the video lineup make Hampton’s identifi-
    cation of Bey unreliable.
    For the reasons stated above, I would reverse Bey’s con-
    viction.
    A true Copy:
    Teste:
    ________________________________
    Clerk of the United States Court of
    Appeals for the Seventh Circuit
    39
    “Q [Hampton deposition readback]. So then the next day you
    and Angie had a conversation about who it was that picked
    him out, right? Answer; it wasn’t a very long conversation.” Tr.3
    at 603.
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