Raul Barradas v. Eric Holder, Jr. ( 2009 )


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  •                               In the
    United States Court of Appeals
    For the Seventh Circuit
    No. 08-3440
    R AUL B ARRADAS,
    Petitioner,
    v.
    E RIC H. H OLDER, JR.,Œ Attorney General
    of the United States,
    Respondent.
    Petition for Review of an Order of
    the Board of Immigration Appeals.
    No. A078-869-280
    A RGUED A PRIL 1, 2009—D ECIDED S EPTEMBER 23, 2009
    Before P OSNER, E VANS, and T INDER, Circuit Judges.
    T INDER, Circuit Judge. Raul Barradas, a Mexican citizen
    and lawful permanent resident of the United States, was
    found removable from the United States on the grounds
    Œ
    Pursuant to Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure 43(c)(2),
    Attorney General Eric H. Holder, Jr., is automatically substituted
    for Michael B. Mukasey as Respondent.
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    that he knowingly attempted to smuggle illegal aliens
    into the country. He appealed the decision of the Im-
    migration Judge (“IJ”) to the Board of Immigration Ap-
    peals, which affirmed. Barradas now petitions this court
    for relief, arguing that the IJ incorrectly concluded that
    the government met its heavy burden of proof,
    improperly admitted evidence without allowing him
    the opportunity to cross-examine its preparer, and
    impermissibly denied him due process by compelling him
    to testify and then excessively interrogating him. For
    the reasons stated below, we deny the petition for review.
    I. Background
    Raul Barradas, a Mexican citizen, became a lawful
    permanent resident of the United States on September 18,
    2001. Barradas made his home in Monroe, Wisconsin, but
    made frequent trips back to Mexico. Before one of
    Barradas’s trips in 2005, a family friend, Alfredo Meyer,
    gave him two United States birth certificates bearing
    the names “Nicole Lynne Leighty” and “Jacob Brian
    Leighty” and asked him to bring the children they
    named, allegedly Meyer’s own, back to Wisconsin from
    Mexico. Barradas traveled to Mexico with his wife and
    his own two children to visit his brother. While there, he
    somehow acquired two Mexican children, Anyyensy
    Meyer Gonzalez, age seventeen, and Eduardo Doranetes
    Ortiz, age eleven. (The record is unclear at best regarding
    how Anyyensy and Eduardo came to travel with
    Barradas; Barradas’s testimony indicates that unnamed
    people brought the children to him at some point during
    his visit.)
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    When Barradas tried to reenter the United States at the
    Hidalgo, Texas port of entry on October 8, 2005 with his
    wife, his two children, and Anyyensy and Eduardo in
    tow, he was stopped by Customs and Border Patrol agents
    Roel DeLaFuente and Mark Latigo. Barradas presented
    his resident alien card and the Leighty birth certificates
    to the agents, who became suspicious and ordered sec-
    ondary inspections (in-depth interviews) of everyone in
    Barradas’s van. Officer DeLaFuente recorded the infor-
    mation gleaned from the secondary inspections on a
    Form I-213 Record of Deportable/Inadmissible Alien and
    authored an accompanying Form I-831 Customs and
    Border Patrol memorandum.
    According to those reports, Barradas told the agents
    that he knew Anyyensy was born in Mexico and that he
    had coached both children to memorize the information
    on the Leighty birth certificates. He claimed he was
    transporting the children to their father in Wisconsin and
    would receive $1000 per child for bringing them back.
    Anyyensy and Eduardo told the agents their real names
    and essentially reiterated the story Barradas had told
    the agents: that he gave them U.S. birth certificates
    and coached them to say that they were U.S. citizens
    named Nicole Lynne Leighty and Jacob Brian Leighty.
    Following the secondary inspections, Anyyensy and
    Eduardo were returned to Mexico, Barradas’s wife and
    children were permitted to return to the United States,
    and Barradas was detained at La Villa Detention Center
    and charged with violating 
    8 U.S.C. § 1325
    (a)(3) and
    
    18 U.S.C. § 2
    .
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    On October 10, 2005, mere days after his apprehension
    in Hidalgo and the same day on which his charging
    document was completed,1 Barradas pleaded guilty to
    alien smuggling. Because no detention space was avail-
    able at the Port Isabel Service Processing Center, Barradas
    was paroled into the United States on October 11, 2005. On
    October 18, 2005, Officer DeLaFuente supplemented
    the Forms I-213 and I-831 with information about
    Barradas’s conviction.
    On October 19, 2005, Officer DeLaFuente initiated
    removal proceedings against Barradas and issued him
    a Notice to Appear (“NTA”).2 The NTA alleged that
    Barradas (1) was not a U.S. citizen or national; (2) was a
    native and citizen of Mexico; (3) applied for admission to
    the United States at Hidalgo as a returning lawful perma-
    nent resident; and (4) was convicted of smuggling illegal
    aliens into the United States on October 10, 2005. On the
    basis of those allegations, Barradas was charged as
    subject to removal from the United States pursuant to
    
    8 U.S.C. § 1182
    (a)(6)(E)(i), which denies admissibility to
    aliens “who at any time knowingly ha[ve] encouraged,
    1
    The Southern District of Texas, in which Hidalgo is located,
    has a “fast track” program to speed adjudication of cases
    involving the transportation, harboring, or smuggling of aliens.
    Memorandum from Craig Morford, Acting Deputy Attorney
    General, to United States Attorneys 2-3 (Feb. 1, 2008), available at
    http://www.fd.org/pdf_lib/fast_track_reauthorization08.pdf.
    2
    The record indicates that the October 19, 2005 NTA super-
    seded one issued to Barradas sometime proximate to the
    October 8, 2005 secondary inspection.
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    induced, assisted, abetted, or aided any other alien to
    enter or to try to enter the United States in violation of
    law . . . .”3
    At his January 26, 2007 hearing before an IJ, at which
    he was represented by counsel, Barradas admitted the
    first three allegations of the NTA but denied the con-
    viction and consequently his removability. The Depar-
    tment of Homeland Security (“DHS” or “the govern-
    ment”) offered the NTA, documentation of Barradas’s
    permanent resident status, and a copy of the October 8,
    2005 criminal complaint into evidence without objection
    from Barradas. Barradas objected to the DHS’s other
    proffered pieces of evidence, Officer DeLaFuente’s Form I-
    213 and accompanying Form I-831 memorandum, on the
    grounds that he lacked an opportunity to cross-examine
    Officer DeLaFuente, their creator. The IJ admitted
    both pieces of evidence over Barradas’s objections. The
    government did not offer into evidence any official court
    record of Barradas’s conviction for alien smuggling.
    The IJ invited the DHS to question Barradas about the
    fourth allegation in the NTA (alleging an October 10, 2005
    conviction for alien smuggling). Barradas objected to the
    questioning, claiming that the DHS could not “meet
    [its] burden by questioning him in this hearing.” The IJ
    3
    The term “removable” is defined as an alien who is “inadmis-
    sible” under 
    8 U.S.C. § 1182
     or “deportable” under 
    8 U.S.C. § 1227
    . 8 U.S.C. § 1229a(e)(2); see also Zamora-Mallari v. Mukasey,
    
    514 F.3d 679
    , 687 n.2 (7th Cir. 2008). We use the terms inter-
    changeably.
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    stated that Barradas had “no right to stand mute at this
    particular time,” and informed Barradas that he would
    “draw an adverse inference” from Barradas’s silence or
    refusal to take the stand. Barradas then took the stand
    and testified that on October 8, 2005, he applied for
    admission at the Hidalgo port of entry, along with his
    wife, his two daughters, and two children identified
    by birth certificates as Nicole Lynne Leighty and Jacob
    Brian Leighty. He claimed that he believed that the chil-
    dren were U.S. citizens and that he had been asked by
    their father, Alfredo Meyer, to return them to Wisconsin.
    When pressed by the DHS and the IJ, he said he
    thought the children were “eight, nine, or ten,” and
    testified that he did not know why he had agreed to pick
    them up. He denied the Form I-213’s allegations that he
    coached the children to memorize the Leighty birth
    certificate information, that he knew that they were not
    U.S. citizens, and that he was promised $1000 upon
    their safe return to Wisconsin.
    The IJ interrupted the DHS’s questioning to clarify
    Barradas’s testimony about how the children came to
    be with Barradas and how he acquired the Leighty
    birth certificates. The IJ also asked Barradas to explain
    what happened following the border inspections. During
    the IJ’s questioning, Barradas denied familiarity with
    the criminal complaint arising from the October 8, 2005
    Hidalgo apprehension, but stated that he pleaded guilty
    to a charge in federal court around that time because
    he had “no choice” but to do so. The IJ confirmed that
    Barradas knew he had been charged with alien
    smuggling and that he had pleaded guilty to that charge.
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    After the government and the IJ questioned Barradas,
    Barradas’s attorney did not examine him further.
    The IJ immediately issued an oral decision in which he
    rejected Barradas’s testimony that he did not know the
    children were not U.S. citizens as incredible and relied
    instead upon the information contained in the Form I-213
    completed by Officer DeLaFuente. The IJ noted that the
    record did not contain a court record of Barradas’s con-
    viction, but found, based on Barradas’s credible
    testimony about his guilty plea and the other evidence
    in the record, that Barradas engaged in alien smuggling
    and “knew or should have known” that the children he
    attempted to bring into the United States were not citi-
    zens. The IJ concluded that the DHS had established
    removability under 
    8 U.S.C. § 1182
    (a)(6)(E)(i) by clear
    and convincing evidence and ordered Barradas removed
    to Mexico.
    Barradas timely appealed the IJ’s order to the Board of
    Immigration Appeals (“BIA”). On August 27, 2008, the
    BIA affirmed the IJ’s removal decision, finding that it
    was supported by evidence of record that established
    Barradas’s knowing encouragement, inducement, assis-
    tance, abetting, or aiding of two undocumented minor
    aliens to try to enter the United States. In a footnote to
    its per curiam order, the BIA noted that 
    8 U.S.C. § 1182
    (a)(6)(E)(i) requires an individual to act “know-
    ingly” and observed that the IJ misstated the mens rea
    requirement as “knew, or should have known.” The BIA
    found this error to be harmless in light of Barradas’s
    testimony that he pleaded guilty to alien smuggling. The
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    BIA found no evidence in the record to support
    Barradas’s allegations that the IJ violated his due
    process rights.
    Barradas now petitions this court for relief and renews
    the arguments he made before the BIA. His arguments
    logically condense into two primary allegations: insuffi-
    cient evidence and violation of due process rights. First,
    he alleges that the DHS failed to prove his removability
    by “clear, unequivocal, and convincing evidence” as
    required by Woodby v. INS, 
    385 U.S. 276
    , 286 (1966). He
    contends that the DHS did not introduce sufficient evi-
    dence of his conviction to prove the factual allegation of
    the conviction asserted in his NTA. This contention is
    entwined with one of his subsidiary arguments: that the
    IJ improperly admitted and relied upon the Forms I-213
    and I-831. Second, Barradas alleges that the IJ violated
    his due process rights by compelling his testimony
    through inappropriate threats to draw an adverse infer-
    ence from his silence and then by subjecting him to
    “excessive interrogation” once he took the stand. We
    evaluate his claims in turn.
    II. Analysis
    A. Sufficiency of the Evidence
    Barradas argues that the BIA’s decision to remove him
    should be reversed because the DHS failed to prove by
    clear, unequivocal, and convincing evidence that he was
    convicted of alien smuggling. The NTA alleged that “[o]n
    October 10, 2005, [Barradas was] convicted of smuggling
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    illegal aliens into the United States.” On the basis of
    that allegation and the three others to which Barradas
    admitted, the NTA alleged him to be inadmissible (and
    thus removable) pursuant to 
    8 U.S.C. § 1182
    (a)(6)(E)(i),
    which states that “[a]ny alien who at any time knowingly
    has encouraged, induced, assisted, abetted, or aided
    any other alien to enter or to try to enter the United States
    in violation of law is inadmissible.” Although 
    8 U.S.C. § 1182
    (a)(6)(E)(i) does not require a conviction for inad-
    missibility or removal, see In re Ruiz-Romero, 
    22 I. & N. Dec. 486
    , 490 (B.I.A. 1999) (“[T]hese substantive provisions
    describe the smuggling activities that will suffice, even
    in the absence of a criminal conviction, to exclude or
    deport an alien from the United States.”), Barradas
    asserts that the DHS must prove the conviction here
    because it was specifically alleged in the NTA. See Woodby,
    
    385 U.S. at 286
     (“[N]o deportation order may be entered
    unless it is found by clear, unequivocal, and convincing
    evidence that the facts alleged as grounds for deportation
    are true.”); Iysheh v. Gonzales, 
    437 F.3d 613
    , 615 (7th Cir.
    2006).4
    4
    We question Barradas’s basic premise that the government
    was required to prove that he was “convicted” of alien smug-
    gling merely because it happened to use that term in its NTA
    allegation. The government could have employed any of a
    host of terms—encouraged, induced, assisted, abetted, aided,
    helped, succored, etc.—to allege, equally validly, that Barradas
    violated the statute under which he was charged removable,
    
    8 U.S.C. § 1182
    (a)(6)(E)(i). To be found removable under the
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    Because Barradas has lawful permanent resident status,
    the government may remove him only if it establishes by
    clear and convincing evidence that he is removable.
    8 U.S.C. § 1229a(c)(3)(A); Olowo v. Ashcroft, 
    368 F.3d 692
    ,
    699 (7th Cir. 2004). Where, as here, the IJ and BIA found
    that the government has met that burden, it is our task
    to consider whether the removal order rests on “reason-
    able, substantial, and probative evidence.” Olowo, 
    368 F.3d at 699
    . We cannot reverse the order of the BIA unless
    we find that the evidence compels the conclusion that
    the BIA ruled incorrectly. Rosendo-Ramirez v. INS, 
    32 F.3d 4
     (...continued)
    statute, Barradas need only have engaged in the conduct of alien
    smuggling; no conviction is statutorily required. See 
    8 U.S.C. § 1182
    (a)(6)(E)(i); Escobar v. Holder, 
    567 F.3d 466
    , 468-69 & n.1
    (9th Cir. 2009); In re Ruiz-Romero, 22 I. & N. Dec. at 490.
    Barradas’s insistence that the government be confined by the
    precise wording of the NTA elevates technical form over
    pragmatic substance and subverts the generally high degree
    of flexibility the DHS is afforded in making admissibility
    decisions. After all, the language of an NTA is not formally
    binding like that of a federal grand jury indictment; an NTA can
    be modified “[a]t any time during deportation or removal
    hearings.” 
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.30
    . Moreover, support for Barradas’s
    premise within the broader context of immigration jurispru-
    dence appears to stem largely from factually distinguishable
    decisions. We save the resolution of this issue for another
    case, however. Today, arguendo, we accept as valid Barradas’s
    assertion that the government is bound to prove with
    precision the “conviction” it alleged in his NTA and evaluate
    his petition for review on that basis.
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    1085, 1087 (7th Cir. 1994). Where, as here, the BIA has
    adopted, affirmed, and supplemented a decision of an
    IJ, we review the IJ’s decision as supplemented by that of
    the BIA. Alimi v. Gonzales, 
    489 F.3d 829
    , 834 (7th Cir. 2007).
    Our determination of whether there is reasonable,
    substantial, and probative evidence in the record as a
    whole to support the IJ’s and BIA’s conclusions that the
    government proved Barradas’s conviction by clear, un-
    equivocal, and convincing evidence necessarily requires
    an examination of the evidence admitted at Barradas’s
    removal hearing. For reasons unbeknownst to us,
    and apparently even to itself, the government was
    unable to produce any court-issued documentation of
    Barradas’s guilty plea or conviction at the time of his
    hearing.5 Left without this evidence in the record, we
    must determine whether the evidence that the govern-
    ment did introduce—the criminal complaint, the Form I-
    213, and the Form I-831—was sufficient to satisfy the
    government’s heavy burden of proof as to his convic-
    tion. First we must determine whether these items were
    5
    At Barradas’s continued hearing on October 5, 2006, the DHS
    said it would “reach out to try to find out if [it could] get a
    copy” of Barradas’s conviction. The IJ told the DHS that “if
    you need some time [to get the conviction], you can just ask
    for some more time.” The government evidently failed to do
    so. As of oral argument, the government still had not intro-
    duced a copy of the conviction or guilty plea or explained
    its failure to do so. Counsel at oral argument was unable to
    explain the delay in procuring a document she was able to
    find “on PACER in about thirty seconds.”
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    admissible to prove the conviction. From there, we will
    evaluate their sufficiency.
    There is a statutory list of records that constitute proof
    of a criminal conviction. See 8 U.S.C. § 1229a(c)(3)(B).
    Barradas correctly observes that neither a criminal com-
    plaint nor Forms I-213 or I-831 appears on the list. In
    light of the deference we accord agency regulations,
    however, we have held that the list is not exhaustive. See
    Rosales-Pineda v. Gonzales, 
    452 F.3d 627
    , 631 (7th Cir. 2006);
    see also Francis v. Gonzales, 
    442 F.3d 131
    , 142 (2d Cir. 2006).
    Here, we defer to the Attorney General’s regulation
    for determining what kinds of evidence may be used
    to prove a criminal conviction in immigration pro-
    ceedings, 
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.41
    . Subsection (d) of this regula-
    tion provides that “[a]ny . . . evidence that reasonably
    indicates the existence of a criminal conviction may be
    admissible as evidence thereof.” 
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.41
    (d).
    The Federal Rules of Evidence do not apply in immigra-
    tion proceedings. Doumbia v. Gonzales, 
    472 F.3d 957
    , 962
    (7th Cir. 2007). Evidence is admissible so long as it
    is probative and its admission is fundamentally fair.
    Rosendo-Ramirez, 32 F.3d at 1088.
    The IJ admitted into evidence the criminal complaint
    charging Barradas with alien smuggling. Barradas
    did not object to the admission. During questioning, the
    IJ showed the criminal complaint to Barradas, who ac-
    knowledged that it charged him with alien smuggling.
    While a criminal complaint does not demonstrate guilt
    or the existence of a conviction, it at least provides some
    basis for the government’s allegations in the NTA.
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    Barradas did not challenge the admission of or reliance
    upon this document, and neither do we.
    The admissibility of the Forms I-213 and I-831—both as
    proof of Barradas’s conviction and as proof of other facts
    in the case—is more contentious.6 Barradas objected to
    their admission at his hearing because he was not given
    the opportunity to cross-examine their creator, Officer
    DeLaFuente, who was not present at the hearing. The IJ
    admitted both Forms over Barradas’s objection. Barradas
    maintains that doing so was “fundamentally unfair” to
    him.
    We have observed that “problems of fundamental
    fairness associated with hearsay testimony are dispelled
    when the testimony is subject to cross-examination,”
    Olowo, 
    368 F.3d at 700
    , but we did not go so far as to say
    that cross-examination is the only way to ensure funda-
    mental fairness. In the immigration context, “ ‘fundamen-
    tally fair’ should simply be read to mean ‘in accordance
    with the reasonable opportunity guaranteed by [8 U.S.C.]
    § 1229a(b)(4).’ ” Doumbia, 
    472 F.3d at 962
    . Aliens in
    removal proceedings have the right to a reasonable op-
    portunity to “cross-examine witnesses presented by the
    Government,” 8 U.S.C. § 1229a(b)(4)(B), but when the
    evidence introduced is that “recorded by a[] [DHS] agent
    in a public record,” the absent agent “cannot be presumed
    6
    The relevant contents of the Forms I-213 and I-831 are virtu-
    ally identical in this case. We will therefore follow the lead
    of Barradas’s reply brief and limit our discussion to the ad-
    missibility of the Form I-213.
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    to be an unfriendly witness or other than an accurate
    recorder,” Espinoza v. INS, 
    45 F.3d 308
    , 311 (9th Cir. 1994).
    “Establishing an automatic right to cross-examine the
    preparers of such documents would place an unwar-
    ranted burden on the [DHS].” 
    Id.
     Absent any indication
    that a Form I-213 contains information that is manifestly
    incorrect or was obtained by duress, the BIA has found
    the Form to be inherently trustworthy and admissible as
    evidence. In re Ponce-Hernandez, 
    22 I. & N. Dec. 784
    , 785
    (B.I.A. 1999). We have agreed with that position. See
    Guerrero-Perez v. INS, 
    242 F.3d 727
    , 729 n.2 (7th Cir. 2001).
    Moreover, we have long allowed the admission of
    Forms I-213 to prove the truth of their contents. See
    Rosendo-Ramirez, 32 F.3d at 1089. There is no indication
    that Officer DeLaFuente’s conviction notation was care-
    lessly or maliciously drafted or was intended to serve
    as anything other than an administrative record.7 We
    7
    The notation in its entirety read: “10/18/05: Subject was
    reserved [sic] with an NTA (form 862) via mail. Subject was
    convicted of Alien Smuggling on 10/10/05. Subject was issued
    a McNary Parole and was admitted into the US at the
    Hidalgo Port of Entry due to that lack of space at PISPC on
    October 11, 2005.” The notation Officer DeLaFuente made on
    the Form I-831 was substantially identical. The slight incon-
    sistency between the date on the notation (10/18/05) and the
    date on the NTA (10/19/05) does not give rise to an inference
    of carelessness or unreliability. Likewise, the fact that
    DeLaFuente was a law enforcement officer and was acting
    in that capacity does not render the Form I-213 inadmissible. Cf.
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    might doubt the reliability of the notation—and require
    an opportunity for cross-examination—if it mischarac-
    terized or misstated any material information about
    Barradas’s conviction or seemed suspicious in any other
    way. No such factors are present here. Nor does
    Barradas allege that the remainder of the Form I-213 was
    carelessly drafted or clouded by bias. He does not claim
    that the conviction information noted on it is incor-
    rect, nor that Officer DeLaFuente obtained any of the
    Form I-213’s contents by duress or other inappropriate
    interrogation tactics. Perhaps most tellingly, Barradas
    does not assert that Officer DeLaFuente mischaracterized
    or incorrectly recorded the statements of Anyyensy and
    Eduardo. He merely attempts to cast doubt on the chil-
    dren’s credibility, speculating that “they got nervous, or
    they were afraid . . . and they didn’t have nothing else
    to say.” In light of these facts, we find that the Form I-213
    was properly admitted for its truth, both generally
    and with respect to the conviction notation.
    Having concluded that the government’s evidence to
    prove Barradas’s conviction was properly admitted, we
    turn to the question of whether it was sufficient to sup-
    port the IJ’s finding that the government met its “clear,
    unequivocal, and convincing” burden. With respect to
    an alien, a “conviction” is defined as
    7
    (...continued)
    Francis v. Gonzales, 
    442 F.3d 131
    , 142 (2d Cir. 2006) (finding a
    police report prepared by Jamaican police admissible as proof
    of a conviction in immigration proceedings).
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    a formal judgment of guilt of the alien entered by
    a court or, if adjudication of guilt has been with-
    held, where—
    (i) a judge or jury has found the alien guilty or the
    alien has entered a plea of guilty or nolo conten-
    dere or has admitted sufficient facts to warrant a
    finding of guilt, and
    (ii) the judge has ordered some form of punish-
    ment, penalty, or restraint on the alien’s liberty to
    be imposed.
    
    8 U.S.C. § 1101
    (a)(48). Barradas admitted part (i) during
    a colloquy with the IJ at his hearing:
    IJ: [L]et me show you Exhibit 3, this is the, this is a
    complaint. Does that look familiar? Does that look
    familiar?
    Barradas: No, they did not give me anything.
    IJ: Well, it’s charged you with alien smuggling.
    You know that, right?
    Barradas: Yes.
    IJ: It’s your understanding because you had no
    choice, if I understand correctly, you entered a
    plea of guilty. Is that right?
    Barradas: Yes.
    The IJ found Barradas’s statements to be credible. We
    uphold an IJ’s credibility finding as long as it is sup-
    ported by specific, cogent reasons and evidence in the
    record, Torres v. Mukasey, 
    551 F.3d 616
    , 626 (7th Cir. 2008),
    and we see no reason not to do so here. Moreover, the
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    administrative record of Barradas’s conviction in the
    Form I-213 constitutes reasonable, substantial, and proba-
    tive evidence that Barradas was adjudicated guilty.
    The second prong of the definition is more difficult
    to establish without a formal judgment in the record.
    Barradas testified that he went to federal court, that his
    case was resolved, and that the government gave him “a
    lesser sentence . . . which it was not that big or grave.”
    He also stated “[t]hey did not have me pay a fine and
    that they would not send be [sic] back to Mexico,” but
    later merely stated that he “was not going to pay a fine.”
    It is not clear precisely what Barradas’s sentence or pos-
    sible fine was; his testimony alone fails to clearly, unequiv-
    ocally, and convincingly satisfy part (ii). However,
    when we consider the Form I-213 as well, we are con-
    vinced that the record as a whole supports the con-
    clusion that “some form of punishment, fine, or restraint
    on [Barradas’s] liberty” was imposed.
    Officer DeLaFuente’s addendum to the Form I-213
    indicates that Barradas was paroled into the United States
    on October 11, 2005, because there was inadequate deten-
    tion space at the Port Isabel Service Processing Center
    (“PISPC”). Although Barradas was readmitted to the
    United States, the alternative outcome—detention at the
    PISPC—would have been a sufficient restraint on his
    liberty. Between Barradas’s testimony 8 about his “lesser
    sentence” and the Form I-213’s indication that he was
    8
    Our conclusion that Barradas’s testimony was not improperly
    compelled, see infra Part II.B.1, permits us to consider
    Barradas’s testimony in our analysis here.
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    initially ordered detained at the PISPC, we are
    satisfied that the record as a whole contains sufficient
    reasonable, substantial, and probative evidence from
    which the IJ and BIA could conclude that the govern-
    ment met its burden.9
    B. Due Process Violations
    Barradas alleges two due process violations. First, he
    asserts that the IJ violated his due process rights when
    he told Barradas that he would take an “adverse infer-
    ence” if Barradas chose to “stand mute” at the hearing;
    Barradas claims he was “compelled” to testify “in the
    absence of any evidence showing he was convicted of
    alien smuggling.” Second, Barradas contends that once
    he took the stand to testify, the IJ interrogated him ex-
    9
    Even if we were to find the evidence insufficient, as Barradas
    urges us to, on remand the government would simply have to
    produce the record of his conviction it now claims to have
    found on PACER to unambiguously satisfy its burden. We note
    that “it is pointless to remand if ‘it is clear what the agency
    decision must be.’ ” Yang v. INS, 
    109 F.3d 1185
    , 1194 (7th Cir.
    1997) (quoting Rosendo-Ramirez, 32 F.3d at 1094). Similarly, we
    agree with the BIA’s characterization of the IJ’s unfortunate
    misstatement of the mens rea requirement (“knew, or should
    have known” instead of the correct “knowingly”) for Barradas’s
    removal as harmless error in light of the other evidence demon-
    strating the existence of an adequate mens rea. See Balazoski
    v. INS, 
    932 F.2d 638
    , 640 (7th Cir. 1991) (“Whether the IJ used
    the incorrect legal standard is irrelevant. We review the
    decision of the BIA, not the IJ.”).
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    cessively and went so far as to “assume the role of counsel
    for the Government.”
    We review Barradas’s claims that he was denied due
    process of law de novo. Alimi, 
    489 F.3d at 834
    . “In cases
    claiming due process violations in immigration proceed-
    ings, . . . proceedings which meet the statutory and reg-
    ulatory standards governing the conduct of removal
    hearings, as a general rule, comport with due process.”
    
    Id.
     (citing Apouviepseakoda v. Gonzales, 
    475 F.3d 881
    , 884-85
    (7th Cir. 2007)).
    1. Compelled Testimony
    At the beginning of his hearing, Barradas admitted NTA
    allegations (1)-(3) and denied allegation (4). The IJ then
    admitted evidence, including the Form I-213 and criminal
    complaint, and asked the government if it wanted to
    examine Barradas. Barradas objected to all questioning.
    His counsel explained, “I think it’s the Government’s
    burden. I don’t think [it] can meet [its] burden by ques-
    tioning him in this hearing.” The government coun-
    tered that if Barradas declined to testify, it would ask
    the IJ to take the reports it had submitted into full con-
    sideration. The IJ then stated that “the respondent has
    no right to stand mute at this particular time. If he does,
    I will draw an adverse inference from that. . . . It’s not
    improper to have him examined. . . .” Barradas then took
    the stand, the IJ administered the oath to him through
    an interpreter, and the government began asking ques-
    tions. At no further point did Barradas attempt to
    remain silent or otherwise make an effort to avoid answer-
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    ing questions related to alien smuggling; his counsel
    only objected to the government’s questions about unre-
    lated domestic violence incidents.
    Barradas does not dispute that the IJ is permitted to
    draw adverse inferences from silence in civil immigration
    proceedings. Indeed, both parties agree that under
    BIA precedent, a respondent in an immigration pro-
    ceeding confronted with evidence of his deportability
    leaves himself open to adverse inferences from his
    silence. In re Guevara, 
    20 I. & N. Dec. 238
    , 241-42 (B.I.A.
    1991). Barradas also recognizes that the BIA views this
    principle as one of burden-shifting: if the government
    establishes a prima facie case for removability, then the
    burden shifts to the respondent. See In re Vivas, 
    16 I. & N. Dec. 68
    , 69 (B.I.A. 1977) (“[N]otwithstanding the require-
    ment of clear, convincing and unequivocal evidence to
    establish deportability, a respondent may properly be
    required to go forward with evidence to rebut prima
    facie showings by the [DHS].”).
    Barradas’s only contention here is that the govern-
    ment never made its requisite prima facie showing. He
    claims that the IJ’s threat to make an adverse inference
    was an improper infringement of due process in his
    case because the government did not meet its initial
    burden of removability before the IJ made the statement.
    Specifically, he argues that the government did not satis-
    factorily prove the existence of his conviction for alien
    smuggling.
    Our question then is whether the government’s
    evidence, before Barradas testified, established his con-
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    viction—and consequent removability—clearly, convinc-
    ingly, and unequivocally. If it did, then the IJ would
    have been permitted to draw an adverse inference
    from Barradas’s silence and Barradas’s due process
    argument on this point must fail. If the government did not
    make a prima facie showing, then the IJ’s statement may
    be viewed as impermissibly compelling Barradas to testify.
    Here, we find that the government adequately satisfied
    its burden to demonstrate Barradas’s removability
    before the IJ made his “adverse inference” statement.
    Although Barradas’s testimony corroborated and
    clarified the information contained in the documentary
    evidence, it was not a required complement to the gov-
    ernment’s prima facie case. See Cabral-Avila v. INS, 
    589 F.2d 957
    , 959 (9th Cir. 1978) (“The immigration judge
    correctly decided that the petitioners were required to
    rebut the finding of deportability due to the admission
    of the I-213 forms. Once the forms have been properly
    admitted, the [government’s] prima face case of
    deportability is made.”). We cannot reverse the order of
    the BIA unless we find that the evidence compels the
    conclusion that the BIA ruled incorrectly, Rosendo-
    Ramirez, 32 F.3d at 1087, and the evidence in this case
    simply does not compel such a conclusion.
    2. Excessive Interrogation
    Barradas’s final argument is that the IJ violated his due
    process rights by going “well beyond his role as fact-
    finder” to become “the de facto co-counsel for DHS.”
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    Barradas asserts that the IJ’s excessive questioning and
    continued interruption of his testimony denied him the
    fair hearing to which he was entitled.
    Immigration judges have the power to “interrogate,
    examine, and cross-examine the alien and any witnesses.”
    8 U.S.C. § 1229a(b)(1). They are permitted to use their
    statutory authority to “focus the proceedings and exclude
    irrelevant evidence,” though they may not “bar[ ] complete
    chunks of oral testimony that would support the appli-
    cant’s claim.” Kerciku v. INS, 
    314 F.3d 913
    , 918 (7th Cir.
    2003) (per curiam). Essentially, IJs’ “ ‘broad discretion to
    control the manner of interrogation in order to
    ascertain the truth,’ ” Apouviepseakoda, 
    475 F.3d at 885
    (quoting Iliev v. INS, 
    127 F.3d 638
    , 643 (7th Cir. 1997)), is
    bounded only by the due process requirement that an
    alien be afforded a meaningful opportunity to be heard,
    see Rodriguez Galicia v. Gonzales, 
    422 F.3d 529
    , 538 (7th
    Cir. 2005). “In the end, we must determine whether,
    given the totality of the circumstances, [Barradas] had
    a full and fair opportunity to put on [his] case.” 
    Id.
    The circumstances here indicate that Barradas had a
    full and fair opportunity to present his case. The IJ con-
    sidered Barradas’s evidentiary objections before ruling
    on them. He interjected his own questions into the
    hearing “just for . . . clarification on a line of testimony”
    Barradas gave, namely about the birth certificates and
    how Anyyensy and Eduardo came to travel with
    Barradas, and only asked Barradas an extended series of
    questions after the government concluded its exam-
    ination of him. The IJ did not interrupt Barradas to
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    ask irrelevant or inappropriate questions, see Castilho
    de Oliveira v. Holder, 
    564 F.3d 892
    , 899-900 (7th Cir. 2009),
    nor did the IJ’s questioning rise to the level of being “so
    pervasive that it was often difficult to determine who
    was representing the federal government with more
    fervor—the IJ or the government’s attorney,” Torres, 
    551 F.3d at 627
    . Further, the IJ did not bar any evidence
    that Barradas sought to introduce. To the contrary,
    Barradas’s counsel declined to examine him or present
    any witnesses on his behalf.
    Barradas also contends that the IJ’s failure to demand
    production of “the supposed conviction for alien smug-
    gling” also supports his claim of a due process viola-
    tion. We fail to see how that contention can be reconciled
    with Barradas’s simultaneous allegations that the IJ
    inappropriately acted on behalf of the government. If the
    IJ instructed the government as to what evidence to
    produce and in what form to produce it, as Barradas
    maintains he should have, that would be more akin to
    becoming “de facto co-counsel” than any other instance
    of the IJ’s conduct to which Barradas objects.
    III. Conclusion
    The IJ’s and the BIA’s determinations that the gov-
    ernment proved Barradas’s conviction by clear, con-
    vincing, and unequivocal evidence were supported by
    reasonable, substantial, and probative record evidence.
    Likewise, we find substantial support for the BIA’s find-
    ings that Barradas was afforded a full and fair oppor-
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    tunity to present his case before a neutral IJ. Ac-
    cordingly, Barradas’s petition for review is D ENIED.
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