Donald Vance v. Donald Rumsfeld ( 2012 )


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  •                               In the
    United States Court of Appeals
    For the Seventh Circuit
    Nos. 10-1687 & 10-2442
    D ONALD V ANCE and N ATHAN E RTEL,
    Plaintiffs-Appellees,
    v.
    D ONALD H. R UMSFELD and
    T HE U NITED STATES OF A MERICA,
    Defendants-Appellants.
    Appeals from the United States District Court
    for the Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division.
    No. 06 C 6964—Wayne R. Andersen, Judge.
    A RGUED F EBRUARY 10, 2011—D ECIDED A UGUST 8, 2011
    R EARGUED E N B ANC F EBRUARY 8, 2012—
    D ECIDED N OVEMBER 7, 2012
    Before E ASTERBROOK, Chief Judge, and P OSNER, F LAUM ,
    M ANION, K ANNE, R OVNER, W OOD , W ILLIAMS, S YKES,
    T INDER, and H AMILTON, Circuit Judges.
    E ASTERBROOK, Chief Judge. This appeal presents the
    question whether the federal judiciary should create a
    right of action for damages against soldiers (and others
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    in the chain of command) who abusively interrogate or
    mistreat military prisoners, or fail to prevent improper
    detention and interrogation. Both other courts of appeals
    that have resolved this question have given a negative
    answer. Lebron v. Rumsfeld, 
    670 F.3d 540
     (4th Cir. 2012);
    Doe v. Rumsfeld, 
    683 F.3d 390
     (D.C. Cir. 2012); Ali v.
    Rumsfeld, 
    649 F.3d 762
     (D.C. Cir. 2011). Another circuit
    declined to create a damages remedy against intel-
    ligence officials who turned a suspected terrorist over
    to another nation for interrogation. Arar v. Ashcroft, 
    585 F.3d 559
    , 571–81 (2d Cir. 2009) (en banc). We agree
    with those decisions.
    I
    In 2005 and 2006 Donald Vance and Nathan Ertel
    worked in Iraq for Shield Group Security (later known
    as National Shield Security), a private firm that provided
    protective services to businesses and governmental
    organizations. (This factual narration comes from the
    complaint, whose allegations we must accept for cur-
    rent purposes.) Vance came to suspect that Shield was
    supplying weapons to groups opposed to the United
    States. He reported his observations to the FBI. Ertel
    furnished some of the information that Vance relayed.
    Persons who Vance and Ertel suspected of gun-running
    retaliated by accusing Vance and Ertel of being arms
    dealers themselves. Military personnel arrested them
    in mid-April 2006. (The complaint does not specify
    which day the arrests occurred.)
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    According to the complaint, plaintiffs were held in
    solitary confinement and denied access to counsel. Their
    interrogators used “threats of violence and actual
    violence, sleep deprivation and alteration, extremes of
    temperature, extremes of sound, light manipulation,
    threats of indefinite detention, denial of food, denial of
    water, denial of needed medical care, yelling, prolonged
    solitary confinement, incommunicado detention, falsified
    allegations and other psychologically-disruptive and
    injurious techniques.” Vance and Ertel were pro-
    visionally classified as “security internees” and
    called before a Detainee Status Board, but they were not
    allowed to present evidence—and the military officials
    running the proceedings refused to look at files on
    their computers that Vance and Ertel say would have
    established their innocence of arms-dealing charges.
    Nor did the Board contact the FBI, even though Vance
    and Ertel said that agents would verify their story.
    The Board concluded on April 29, 2006, that Ertel
    should be released. Nonetheless he was held for another
    18 days, during which interrogators continued to use
    harsh techniques. He was released on May 17, 2006.
    Vance remained in solitary confinement until his release
    on July 20, 2006, and was subjected to sleep deprivation,
    prolonged exposure to cold, intolerably loud music,
    “hooding,” “walling” (placing a person’s heels against a
    wall and slamming his body backward into that wall),
    threats of violence, and other techniques that caused
    physical or mental pain. The Army Field Manual forbids
    several of these techniques, which it classifies as “physical
    torture,” “mental torture,” or “coercion.” See Army Field
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    Manual: Intelligence Interrogation 1–8 (1992). Whether
    any of the techniques constitutes “torture” within the
    meaning of 18 U.S.C. §2340(1), which makes torture by
    interrogators a crime, is a subject on which the parties’
    briefs do not join issue, and which we therefore do not
    address.
    The Detainee Status Board eventually concluded that
    both Vance and Ertel are innocent of the allegations
    that had been made against them. Neither was
    charged with a crime.
    In December 2006 Vance and Ertel filed this suit against
    persons who conducted or approved their detention
    and interrogation, and many others who had super-
    visory authority over those persons. The defendants
    included Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Plaintiffs
    alleged that Secretary Rumsfeld had authorized the use
    of harsh interrogation methods in Iraq and contended
    that he is personally liable in damages—even though
    plaintiffs also alleged that they had never been accused
    of being enemy combatants and therefore were not
    within the scope of Secretary Rumsfeld’s authorization.
    They also sued the United States, seeking the return of
    all property that had been seized from them in Iraq.
    Rumsfeld asked the district court to dismiss the com-
    plaint, presenting three principal arguments: that federal
    law does not establish an action for damages on account
    of abusive military interrogation; that the complaint
    does not plausibly allege his personal involvement in
    plaintiffs’ detention and interrogation; and that he is
    entitled to qualified immunity. The district court ruled
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    against all of these contentions. 
    694 F. Supp. 2d 957
     (N.D.
    Ill. 2010). Rumsfeld has appealed under the doctrine of
    Mitchell v. Forsyth, 
    472 U.S. 511
     (1985), which treats the
    rejection of an immunity defense as a final decision for
    the purpose of 28 U.S.C. §1291.
    The United States also moved to dismiss the com-
    plaint, contending that the “military authority excep-
    tion” to the Administrative Procedure Act, 5 U.S.C.
    §701(b)(1)(G), bars the suit against it. Section 701(b)(1)(G)
    prohibits judicial review of “military authority exercised
    in the field in time of war or in occupied territory”.
    The district court concluded that this language does not
    apply—at least, does not prevent Vance and Ertel from
    engaging in discovery that they contend would show
    the statute’s inapplicability—and denied the motion
    to dismiss. 2009 U.S. Dist. L EXIS 67349 (N.D. Ill. July 29,
    2009). The district court later certified this order for
    interlocutory appeal under 28 U.S.C. §1292(b), see 2010
    U.S. Dist. L EXIS 51973 (N.D. Ill. May 26, 2010), and a
    motions panel accepted the appeal.
    A merits panel reversed the district court’s decision
    with respect to the United States but affirmed with
    respect to Rumsfeld’s claim of immunity. 
    653 F.3d 591
    (7th Cir. 2011). We granted Rumsfeld’s request for re-
    hearing en banc and vacated the panel’s opinion and
    judgment; this set aside both aspects of its decision.
    II
    Both the district court and the panel concluded that it
    is appropriate to create a private right of action for dam-
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    ages against persons in the military chain of command.
    See generally Bivens v. Six Unknown Named Agents of
    Federal Bureau of Narcotics, 
    403 U.S. 388
     (1971). The lead
    argument in former Secretary Rumsfeld’s brief contests
    this conclusion. Because the basis of appellate juris-
    diction is the district court’s rejection of an immunity
    defense, however, we must consider whether we are
    authorized to address the merits.
    The answer is yes. The Supreme Court held in Siegert
    v. Gilley, 
    500 U.S. 226
    , 232 (1991), that when evaluating
    an argument that a right is not “clearly established”—the
    essential ingredient in any invocation of qualified im-
    munity—a court may conclude that the right has not
    been “clearly” established because it has not been estab-
    lished at all. The Court followed up in Saucier v. Katz,
    
    533 U.S. 194
     (2001), by holding that a court of appeals
    must decide both whether the right in question exists
    and whether its existence had been “clearly established”
    before the time of the challenged acts. Pearson v. Callahan,
    
    555 U.S. 223
     (2009), overruled that portion of Saucier
    and held that a court of appeals may use sound discre-
    tion when deciding whether to reach the merits ahead
    (or instead) of the immunity question. But the Court
    did not doubt that, on an interlocutory appeal under
    Mitchell, one potential ground of decision is a conclu-
    sion that the plaintiff does not have a legally sound
    claim for relief.
    Wilkie v. Robbins, 
    551 U.S. 537
    , 548–50 (2007), applies
    this approach to Bivens claims in particular. Robbins sued
    some federal officials, asserting extra-statutory claims
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    for damages and contending that reasoning along the
    lines of Bivens allowed the federal judiciary to recognize
    such a remedy. Defendants took an interlocutory
    appeal, contending that they enjoyed qualified immunity.
    The Supreme Court ruled in defendants’ favor—not
    because of immunity, but because it concluded that it
    should not create a new Bivens remedy. Similarly, in
    Ashcroft v. Iqbal, 
    556 U.S. 662
     (2009), the Supreme
    Court resolved a qualified-immunity appeal by deciding
    that the complaint did not state a plausible claim on
    the facts. We have jurisdiction to decide this case on the
    same grounds the Supreme Court employed in Wilkie
    and Iqbal. See also Levin v. Madigan, 
    692 F.3d 607
    , 610–11
    (7th Cir. 2012).
    The appeal by the United States does not present any
    jurisdictional problem, given the court’s decision to
    accept the appeal certified under §1292(b). Neither does
    it present a difficult question. The panel held that
    §701(b)(1)(G) prevents any relief against the United
    States. 653 F.3d at 626–27. We agree with that conclusion,
    for the reasons the panel gave. Further discussion of
    the subject is unnecessary.
    III
    When considering whether to create an extra-statutory
    right of action for damages against military personnel
    who mistreat detainees, we assume that at least some
    of the conditions to which plaintiffs were subjected vio-
    lated their rights. Although the Constitution’s applica-
    tion to interrogation outside the United States is not
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    settled, see United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, 
    494 U.S. 259
    ,
    268–69 (1990), Rumsfeld concedes (for current purposes
    at least) that it governs. The conduct alleged in the com-
    plaint appears to violate the Detainee Treatment Act, 10
    U.S.C. §801 note and 42 U.S.C. §§ 2000dd to 2000dd–1,
    and may violate one or more treaties. The source of the
    substantive right does not matter for the analysis
    that follows.
    Unless there is a right of action against soldiers and
    their immediate commanders, however, there cannot be
    a right of action for damages against remote superiors
    such as former Secretary Rumsfeld. And neither the
    Detainee Treatment Act nor any other statute creates a
    private right of action for damages under the circum-
    stances narrated by plaintiffs’ complaint. This much, at
    least, is common ground among the parties. Plaintiffs
    therefore ask us to create a right of action under federal
    common law.
    Bivens was the first time the Supreme Court created a
    non-statutory right of action for damages against federal
    employees. Since then the Court has created two others:
    for unconstitutional discrimination in public employ-
    ment, see Davis v. Passman, 
    442 U.S. 228
     (1979), and for
    violations of the eighth amendment by prison guards, see
    Carlson v. Green, 
    446 U.S. 14
     (1980). It has not created
    another during the last 32 years—though it has reversed
    more than a dozen appellate decisions that had created
    new actions for damages. Whatever presumption in
    favor of a Bivens-like remedy may once have existed
    has long since been abrogated. The Supreme Court has
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    never created or even favorably mentioned the pos-
    sibility of a non-statutory right of action for damages
    against military personnel, and it has twice held that
    it would be inappropriate to create such a claim for
    damages. See Chappell v. Wallace, 
    462 U.S. 296
     (1983);
    United States v. Stanley, 
    483 U.S. 669
     (1987). The Court
    has never created or even favorably mentioned a non-
    statutory right of action for damages on account of
    conduct that occurred outside the borders of the United
    States. Yet plaintiffs propose a novel damages remedy
    against military personnel who acted in a foreign na-
    tion—and in a combat zone, no less.
    The Court’s most recent decision declining to extend
    Bivens is Minneci v. Pollard, 
    132 S. Ct. 617
     (2012). Minneci
    treated Wilkie as a restatement of the governing
    principles, 132 S. Ct. at 621. Wilkie tells us:
    our consideration of a Bivens request follows a
    familiar sequence, and on the assumption that a
    constitutionally recognized interest is adversely
    affected by the actions of federal employees, the
    decision whether to recognize a Bivens remedy
    may require two steps. In the first place, there is
    the question whether any alternative, existing
    process for protecting the interest amounts to a
    convincing reason for the Judicial Branch to
    refrain from providing a new and freestanding
    remedy in damages. [Bush v. Lucas, 
    462 U.S. 367
    (1983)] at 378. But even in the absence of an alter-
    native, a Bivens remedy is a subject of judgment:
    “the federal courts must make the kind of
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    remedial determination that is appropriate for a
    common-law tribunal, paying particular heed,
    however, to any special factors counselling hesita-
    tion before authorizing a new kind of federal
    litigation.” Bush, supra, at 378.
    551 U.S. at 550. Congress has provided some opportunities
    for compensation of persons injured by the military in
    combat zones. Rumsfeld does not contend that these
    statutes (which we discuss later) supply a “convincing
    reason for the Judicial Branch to refrain from creating a
    new and freestanding remedy in damages.” But he does
    contend that many factors make it inappropriate for the
    judiciary to create a common-law remedy for damages
    arising from military operations in a foreign nation.
    Chappell and Stanley hold that it is inappropriate for
    the judiciary to create a right of action that would permit
    a soldier to collect damages from a superior officer.
    Plaintiffs say that these decisions are irrelevant because
    they were not soldiers. That is not so clear. They were
    security contractors in a war zone, performing much
    the same role as soldiers. Some laws treat employees
    of military contractors in combat zones the same as sol-
    diers. See, e.g., 18 U.S.C. §3261 and §3267(1)(A)(iii), parts
    of the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act discussed
    in United States v. Brehm, 
    691 F.3d 547
     (4th Cir. 2012). See
    also United States v. Ali, 2012 CAAF L EXIS 815 (C.A.A.F.
    July 18, 2012) (holding that a civilian employee of a secu-
    rity contractor in Iraq is treated as a soldier for the
    purpose of prosecution under the Uniform Code of Mili-
    tary Justice). But we need not decide whether civilians
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    doing security work in combat zones are soldiers by
    another name, because Chappell and Stanley did not
    entirely depend on the relation between the soldier
    and the superior officer.
    The Supreme Court’s principal point was that civilian
    courts should not interfere with the military chain of
    command—not, that is, without statutory authority.
    Chappell observed that military efficiency depends on a
    particular command structure, which civilian judges
    could mess up without appreciating what they were
    doing. 462 U.S. at 300. The Court observed that Congress
    has ample authority, under its constitutional power to
    “make Rules for the Government and Regulation of
    the land and naval Forces” (Art. I §8 cl. 14), to provide
    for awards of damages and other kinds of judicial review
    of military decisions. When Congress does not exercise
    that power—or when, as we explain in a moment, it
    exercises that power without providing for damages
    against military wrongdoers—the judiciary should leave
    the command structure alone. “Matters intimately
    related to . . . national security are rarely proper subjects
    for judicial intervention.” Haig v. Agee, 
    453 U.S. 280
    , 292
    (1981).
    Stanley tried to circumvent Chappell by suing some
    civilians and contending that the officers he had named
    were not his superiors but had been in a different
    branch of the military hierarchy. Stanley also observed
    that the plaintiff in Chappell had at least some monetary
    remedy through legislation, while he had none. The
    Court wrote in response: “The ‘special facto[r]’ that
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    ‘counsel[s] hesitation’ [in creating a common-law
    remedy] is not the fact that Congress has chosen to
    afford some manner of relief in the particular case, but
    the fact that congressionally uninvited intrusion into
    military affairs by the judiciary is inappropriate.” 483
    U.S. at 683. That’s equally true of our plaintiffs’ situation.
    The fourth circuit addressed this subject in detail in
    Lebron, 670 F.3d at 548–52, and we agree with its evalua-
    tion.
    What plaintiffs want is an award of damages premised
    on a view that the military command structure should
    be different—that, for example, the Secretary of Defense
    must do more (or do something different) to control
    misconduct by interrogators and other personnel on the
    scene in foreign nations. They want a judicial order
    that would make the Secretary of Defense care less
    about the Secretary’s view of the best military policy, and
    more about the Secretary’s regard for his own finances.
    Plaintiffs believe that giving the Secretary of Defense a
    financial stake in the conduct of interrogators would
    lead the Secretary to hold the rights of detainees in
    higher regard—which surely is true, but that change
    would come at an uncertain cost in national security.
    If the judiciary never erred, damages awards against
    soldiers and their civilian supervisors would be all gain
    and no loss. But judges make mistakes: They may lack
    vital knowledge, may accept claims that should be
    rejected on the facts or the law, or may award excessive
    damages on justified claims or create supervisory
    liability when they shouldn’t. See Stanley, 483 U.S. at
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    682–83; see also Ashcroft v. al-Kidd, 
    131 S. Ct. 2074
    , 2087
    (2011) (Kennedy, J., concurring). Accounting for human
    fallibility is an important part of the design of a legal
    system. Military prosecutors (or civilian prosecutors
    acting under the President’s direction) can consider
    the needs of effective military action when exercising
    prosecutorial discretion. Judges lack information that
    executive officials possess, and in civil litigation there
    is no source of discretion comparable to a prosecu-
    tor’s. The Justices concluded in Chappell and Stanley that
    Congress and the Commander-in-Chief (the President),
    rather than civilian judges, ought to make the essential
    tradeoffs, not only because the constitutional authority
    to do so rests with the political branches of government
    but also because that’s where the expertise lies. That is
    as true here as it was in Chappell and Stanley. Accord,
    Doe, 683 F.3d at 394 (“Doe is a contractor and not an
    actual member of the military, but we see no way in
    which this affects the special factors analysis.”).
    The political branches have not been indifferent to
    detainees’ interests. To the contrary, the treatment of
    military detainees has occasioned extended debate and
    led to a series of statutes. The Detainee Treatment Act
    is one. Others enacted or amended in the past decade
    include the Torture Victim Protection Act, 28 U.S.C. §1350
    note; the Military Claims Act, 10 U.S.C. §2733; the
    Foreign Claims Act, 10 U.S.C. §2734; the Military Com-
    missions Act, 10 U.S.C. §948a et seq.; the federal torture
    statute, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2340–2340A; the War Crimes Act,
    18 U.S.C. §2441; and the Uniform Code of Military
    Justice, 10 U.S.C. §801 et seq. Lebron summarizes the ways
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    in which the political branches have addressed the ap-
    propriate design of policies about interrogation. 670 F.3d
    at 548–52. These statutes have one thing in common:
    none provides for damages against military personnel
    or their civilian superiors. Some, such as the Detainee
    Treatment Act, expressly block damages liability. (We
    return to this shortly.) Others provide compensation to
    victims of military errors or misconduct, but the com-
    pensation comes from the public fisc rather than
    private pockets.
    For example, the Military Claims Act provides that the
    Judge Advocate General of each service may award up
    to $100,000 from the Treasury to any person injured by
    the military. The Foreign Claims Act provides that a
    claims commission may award up to $100,000 of public
    money to a person injured by the U.S. military in a
    foreign nation. (These options are mutually exclusive;
    when the Foreign Claims Act or the Federal Tort Claims
    Act applies, the Military Claims Act does not. See 10 U.S.C.
    §2733(b)(2).) We asked plaintiffs’ counsel at oral argu-
    ment whether they had applied for awards under either
    statute. Counsel said no, telling us that $100,000 is too
    little for their injuries and that the persons charged with
    implementing these laws enjoy too much discretion
    for plaintiffs’ liking. (Plaintiffs have not argued that 32
    C.F.R. §536.45(h), which provides that the military will
    not make awards under either statute for assault and
    battery, would make these statutes useless to them.
    Section 536l.46(h) allows awards for intentional torts
    related to an investigation; because the briefs do not
    discuss the effect of §536.45(h), we do not consider
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    whether plaintiffs’ losses would come within the “investi-
    gation” clause.)
    We are willing to assume that the cap on awards, and
    the existence of discretion about when to award com-
    pensation (and how much to provide), means that these
    statutes are not full substitutes for a Bivens remedy. See
    Minneci, the Court’s most recent discussion of that sub-
    ject. Still, the fact that Congress has provided for com-
    pensation tells us that it has considered how best to
    address the fact that the military can injure persons
    by improper conduct. We take two things from the
    Military Claims Act and the Foreign Claims Act: first,
    Congress has decided that compensation should come
    from the Treasury rather than from the pockets of
    federal employees; second, plaintiffs do not need a
    common-law damages remedy in order to achieve
    some recompense for wrongs done them. Unlike
    Webster Bivens, they are not without recourse.
    Vance and Ertel maintain, however, that through the
    Detainee Treatment Act Congress has decided that they
    are entitled to damages from the Secretary of Defense
    and his subordinates. A portion of the Detainee Treat-
    ment Act codified at 42 U.S.C. §2000dd–1(a) provides
    that in both civil suits and criminal prosecutions, military
    interrogators and their superiors are protected from
    liability if “such officer, employee, member of the Armed
    Forces, or other agent did not know that the practices
    were unlawful and a person of ordinary sense and under-
    standing would not know the practices were unlawful.
    Good faith reliance on advice of counsel should be an
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    important factor, among others, to consider in assessing
    whether a person of ordinary sense and understanding
    would have known the practices to be unlawful.”
    Of course a defense to damages liability does not
    create damages liability, but plaintiffs contend that
    §2000dd–1(a) assumes that this liability already exists,
    so personal liability must have Congress’s blessing. That
    assumption is unwarranted. Congress often legislates to
    make doubly sure that federal employees will not be
    personally liable. The Westfall Act, 28 U.S.C. §2679, is
    an example of that strategy. (Gutierrez de Martinez v.
    Lamagno, 
    515 U.S. 417
     (1995), and Ali v. Rumsfeld, supra,
    discuss that law’s scope and effects.) The Public Health
    Service Act, 42 U.S.C. §233(a), is another. See Hui v.
    Castaneda, 
    130 S. Ct. 1845
     (2010). Section 7(a) of the
    Military Commissions Act, 28 U.S.C. §2241(e)(2), is a
    third. It forbids awards of damages to aliens detained as
    enemy combatants. See Al-Zahrani v. Rodriguez, 
    669 F.3d 315
     (D.C. Cir. 2012). The existence of safeguards against
    personal liability does not imply legislative authoriza-
    tion for the judiciary to create personal liability.
    Section 2000dd–1(a) applies only to suits by aliens and
    therefore does not affect suits by citizens such as plain-
    tiffs. Plaintiffs treat the restricted coverage of §2000dd–1
    as a glitch, but we think it is more likely that the cov-
    erage reflects an assumption behind the statute. Aliens
    detained by U.S. military personnel might invoke
    multiple sources of authorization to award damages:
    one is the Torture Victim Protection Act; a second is
    the Alien Tort Act, 28 U.S.C. §1350; and the third is the
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    law of the nation in which the detention occurred (here,
    the law of Iraq). Congress may have wanted to make
    sure that military personnel enjoy some protection
    against suits by persons who have an express right of
    action. Vance and Ertel cannot use (at least, have not
    tried to use) the Torture Victim Protection Act, the Alien
    Tort Act, or the law of Iraq as a basis for the remedy
    they seek. That Congress has put an obstacle in the
    way of persons who could use those bodies of law does
    not imply that persons who cannot use them must have
    a common-law damages remedy.
    The Detainee Treatment Act can be—and has
    been—enforced by criminal prosecutions. The Depart-
    ment of Defense has procedures for reporting claims of
    abuse; these procedures require all reports to be investi-
    gated and require prosecution to follow substantiated
    reports. See Army Regulation 190–8 at §§ 1–5, 3–16, 6–9;
    DoD Directives 5100.77, 2311.01E. Failure by military
    personnel to follow these procedures is a court-martial
    offense. 10 U.S.C. §892. Abusive interrogation in Iraq and
    Afghanistan has led to courts-martial. Injunctions that
    enforce the Detainee Treatment Act prospectively may
    be possible under the doctrine of Ex parte Young, 
    209 U.S. 123
     (1908), or the waiver of sovereign immunity in
    5 U.S.C. §702. But Congress has not authorized awards
    of damages against soldiers and their superiors, and
    creating a right of action in common-law fashion would
    intrude inappropriately into the military command struc-
    ture.
    A Bivens-like remedy could cause other problems,
    including diverting Cabinet officers’ time from manage-
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    ment of public affairs to the defense of their bank ac-
    counts. See Doe, 683 F.3d at 396. Then there are
    problems with evidence. See Lebron, 670 F.3d at 555–56.
    When the state-secrets privilege did not block the claim,
    a court would find it challenging to prevent the
    disclosure of secret information. Anyone, whether or not
    a bona fide victim of military misconduct, could sue and
    then use graymail (the threat of disclosing secrets) to
    extract an undeserved settlement. See Arar, 585 F.3d
    at 578–81. That’s not a problem under the Military
    Claims Act and the Foreign Claims Act, which allow
    proceedings to be conducted in confidence.
    The panel distinguished Arar and Ali v. Rumsfeld on
    the ground that those plaintiffs were aliens (Arar, for
    example, is a citizen of Canada). 653 F.3d at 620–22.
    More recent decisions, including Lebron and Doe, dealt
    with (and rejected) Bivens-like claims by U.S. citizens. We
    do not think that the plaintiffs’ citizenship is dispositive
    one way or the other. See Doe, 683 F.3d at 396. Wallace
    and Stanley also were U.S. citizens. The Supreme Court
    has never suggested that citizenship matters to a claim
    under Bivens. It would be offensive to our allies, and
    it should be offensive to our own principles of equal
    treatment, to declare that this nation systematically
    favors U.S. citizens over Canadians, British, Iraqis, and
    our other allies when redressing injuries caused by our
    military or intelligence operations. Treaties may pose a
    further obstacle to favoring U.S. citizens in the design
    of common-law remedies, but we need not decide,
    because the choice of remedies for military misconduct
    belongs to Congress and the President rather than
    the judicial branch.
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    IV
    Even if we were to create a common-law damages
    remedy against military personnel and their civilian
    superiors, former Secretary Rumsfeld could not be
    held liable. He did not arrest plaintiffs, hold them incom-
    municado, refuse to speak with the FBI, subject them
    to loud noises, threaten them while they wore hoods, and
    so on. The most one could say about him—the most
    plaintiffs do say about him—is that (a) in 2002 and 2003
    he authorized the use of harsh interrogation techniques
    when dealing with enemy combatants, (b) he received
    reports that his subordinates sometimes used these tech-
    niques, without authorization, on persons such as
    plaintiffs despite the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005,
    and (c) he did not do enough to bring interrogators
    under control.
    The Supreme Court held in Iqbal that liability under
    a Bivens-like remedy is personal. 556 U.S. at 676–77.
    Cabinet secretaries (in Iqbal the Attorney General) and
    other supervisory personnel are accountable for what
    they do, but they are not vicariously liable for what
    their subordinates do. The Court added that knowledge
    of a subordinate’s misconduct is not enough for liabil-
    ity. The supervisor can be liable only if he wants
    the unconstitutional or illegal conduct to occur. Id. at 677.
    Yet plaintiffs do not allege that Secretary Rumsfeld
    wanted them to be mistreated in Iraq. His orders con-
    cerning interrogation techniques concerned combatants
    and terrorists, not civilian contractors. What happened
    to plaintiffs violated both Rumsfeld’s directives of 2002
    20                                 Nos. 10-1687 & 10-2442
    and 2003, and the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005. In
    an ideal world, the Secretary of Defense and the Army’s
    Chief of Staff would have achieved full compliance
    with the Detainee Treatment Act, but a public official’s
    inability to ensure that all subordinate federal employ-
    ees follow the law has never justified personal liability.
    The gist of plaintiffs’ claim against Rumsfeld is that
    harsh interrogation tactics were used erroneously, point-
    lessly, and excessively in their situation. Plaintiffs
    should be compensated, if their allegations are true—
    though it is too late for them to invoke the Foreign
    Claims Act, which has a two-year period of limitations.
    Just because it may be hard to use the statutory mecha-
    nisms of compensation, however, it does not follow that
    a Cabinet official must pay out of his own pocket. To
    see this, ignore for the moment the military and foreign-
    location issues and ask whether persons in the United
    States who are shot by federal agents or beaten by
    prison guards have a good claim against the Director of
    the FBI, the Director of the Bureau of Prisons, or the
    Attorney General. They do not. Both Iqbal and al-Kidd
    say that supervisors are not vicariously liable for their
    subordinates’ transgressions.
    The Director of the FBI allows field agents to carry guns
    and permits them to use deadly force. Yet if an agent
    shoots a fleeing suspect in the back, violating the fourth
    amendment, see Tennessee v. Garner, 
    471 U.S. 1
     (1985),
    the Director is not liable just because the gun, issued
    under the Director’s policy, was a cause of the injury.
    Similarly for a police chief who establishes a K-9 squad,
    Nos. 10-1687 & 10-2442                                   21
    if a dog bites a bystander, or who authorizes search
    or arrest based on probable cause, if the police then
    search or arrest without probable cause.
    Plaintiffs’ theme is that Secretary Rumsfeld, having
    authorized harsh interrogation tactics for enemy com-
    batants in 2002 and 2003, should have intervened after
    receiving reports that non-combatants were being sub-
    jected to these tactics and that interrogators had not
    properly implemented the Detainee Treatment Act of
    2005. Yet the standard form of intervention would have
    been criminal prosecution (in the civilian courts or by
    court-martial). The Department of Defense did pros-
    ecute some soldiers through courts-martial, and the
    Department of Justice filed some criminal prosecu-
    tions. Plaintiffs think that they should have done more,
    but no one can demand that someone else be prosecuted.
    See, e.g., Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 
    545 U.S. 748
     (2005);
    DeShaney v. Winnebago County Dep’t of Social Services,
    
    489 U.S. 189
     (1989); Linda R.S. v. Richard D., 
    410 U.S. 614
    (1973). A court cannot say that, if there are too few prose-
    cutions (or other enforcement), and thus too much
    crime, then the Attorney General or the Secretary of
    Defense is personally liable to victims of (preventable)
    crime. Yet that’s what plaintiffs’ approach entails.
    Iqbal held that knowledge of subordinates’ misconduct
    is not enough for liability. The supervisor must want
    the forbidden outcome to occur. Deliberate indifference
    to a known risk is a form of intent. But Farmer v. Brennan,
    
    511 U.S. 825
     (1994), holds that, to show scienter by the
    deliberate-indifference route, a plaintiff must demon-
    22                                 Nos. 10-1687 & 10-2442
    strate that the public official knew of risks with suf-
    ficient specificity to allow an inference that inaction is
    designed to produce or allow harm. A warden’s knowl-
    edge that violence occurs frequently in prison does not
    make the warden personally liable for all injuries. See
    McGill v. Duckworth, 
    944 F.2d 344
     (7th Cir. 1991). Prisons
    are dangerous places, and misconduct by both
    prisoners and guards is common. Liability for wardens
    would be purely vicarious. Farmer rejected a contention
    that wardens (or guards) can be liable just because
    they know that violence occurs in prisons and don’t do
    more to prevent it on an institution-wide basis. To get
    anywhere, Vance and Ertel would need to allege that
    Rumsfeld knew of a substantial risk to security contrac-
    tors’ employees, and ignored that risk because he
    wanted plaintiffs (or similarly situated persons) to be
    harmed. The complaint does not contain such an allega-
    tion and could not plausibly do so.
    The head of any large bureaucracy receives reports of
    misconduct. The Secretary of Defense has more than a
    million soldiers under his command. The Attorney General
    supervises thousands of FBI and DEA agents, thousands
    of prison guards, and so on. Many exceed their author-
    ity. People able to exert domination over others often
    abuse that power; it is a part of human nature that is very
    difficult to control. See Philip Zimbardo, The Lucifer
    Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil (2007).
    The head of an organization knows this, or should know
    it. Every police chief knows that some officers shoot
    unnecessarily or arrest some suspects without probable
    cause, and that others actually go over to the criminal
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    side and protect drug rackets. But heads of organiza-
    tions have never been held liable on the theory that
    they did not do enough to combat subordinates’ miscon-
    duct, and the Supreme Court made it clear in Iqbal
    that such theories of liability are unavailing.
    Plaintiffs do not cite even one instance in which an
    Attorney General, a Director of the FBI, a Director of the
    Bureau of Prisons, or a municipal chief of police has
    been held personally liable for not ensuring that subordi-
    nates respect prisoners’ or suspects’ rights. Claims
    against the Secretary of Defense, who has more people
    under his command, and a longer chain of subordinates
    between him and the culpable soldiers, are weaker.
    Although Vance and Ertel contend that their injuries
    can be traced (remotely) to Secretary Rumsfeld’s policies
    of 2002 and 2003, as well as to the misconduct of per-
    sonnel in Iraq, they do not contend that the policies
    authorized harsh interrogation of security detainees, as
    opposed to enemy combatants. It is therefore unneces-
    sary to decide when, if ever, a Cabinet officer could be
    personally liable for damages caused by the proper ap-
    plication of an unlawful policy or regulation. As we
    observed in Hammer v. Ashcroft, 
    570 F.3d 798
    , 800
    (7th Cir. 2009) (en banc), the normal means to handle
    defective policies and regulations is a suit under the
    Administrative Procedure Act or an equivalent statute,
    not an award of damages against the policy’s author.
    Accord, Arar, 585 F.3d at 572–73. No court has ever held
    the Administrator of the EPA personally liable for pro-
    mulgating an invalid regulation, even if that regulation
    24                                Nos. 10-1687 & 10-2442
    imposes billions of dollars in unjustified costs before
    being set aside. Cf. Padilla v. Yoo, 
    678 F.3d 748
     (9th
    Cir. 2012) (Deputy Assistant Attorney General not per-
    sonally liable for preparing an opinion concluding that
    Secretary Rumsfeld’s policies were valid). The extent
    to which untenable directives, policies, and regulations
    may support awards of damages can safely be post-
    poned to another day.
    V
    Because we have held that a common-law right of
    action for damages should not be created—and that plain-
    tiffs’ complaint would fail to state a claim against
    former Secretary Rumsfeld even if such a right of action
    were to be created—it is unnecessary to decide
    whether Rumsfeld violated plaintiffs’ clearly established
    rights. The decisions of the district court are reversed.
    W OOD , Circuit Judge, concurring in the judgment.
    Civilized societies do not condone torture committed by
    governmental agents, no matter what job title the agent
    holds. I am confident that every member of this court
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    would agree with that proposition. This is therefore
    a case of system failure: plaintiffs Donald Vance and
    Nathan Ertel assert that representatives of the U.S. gov-
    ernment (who happened to be members of the Armed
    Forces) subjected them to a variety of measures that
    easily qualify as “torture,” whether under the defini-
    tions found in the Army Field Manual, international law,
    or legislation such as the Torture Victim Protection
    Act, 28 U.S.C. § 1350 note, § 3(b). This shameful fact
    should not be minimized by using euphemisms such
    as the term “harsh interrogation techniques.” The
    question before us is whether the man who served as
    Secretary of Defense at the time of the plaintiffs’ ordeal,
    Donald Rumsfeld, is entitled to qualified immunity
    in the suit they have brought against him. Although
    I part company in substantial ways from the majority’s
    reasoning, I conclude that former Secretary Rumsfeld
    himself is entitled to such immunity. The same may well
    be true of others who had no personal participation
    in these events. Nevertheless, I am in substantial agree-
    ment with Judge Hamilton’s dissenting opinion when
    it comes to the question of possible liability for those
    who actually committed these heinous acts. I therefore
    am able only to concur in the court’s judgment.
    I
    The majority’s account in Part I of the underlying
    facts, which it properly presents in the light most
    favorable to Vance and Ertel, provides the essential
    information for deciding the case. But I find its charac-
    26                                  Nos. 10-1687 & 10-2442
    terization of the facts to be incomplete in one im-
    portant respect. In my view, “threats of violence and actual
    violence, sleep deprivation and alteration, extremes of
    temperature, extremes of sound, light manipulation,
    threats of indefinite detention, denial of food, denial of
    water, denial of needed medical care, yelling, prolonged
    solitary confinement, incommunicado detention, falsified
    allegations,” as well as “prolonged exposure to cold,
    intolerably loud music, ‘hooding,’ ‘walling,’ ” and the
    like, must be acknowledged for what they are: torture.
    Ante at 3. In other cases, we might need to draw a line
    between harsh techniques and actual torture, but that is
    not a problem here. It is notable that courts have found
    that comparable actions also violate the Eighth Amend-
    ment to the U.S. Constitution, for prisoners, or the
    Due Process Clauses, in the case of pretrial detainees
    and others not facing punishment. See, e.g., Wilson v.
    Seiter, 
    501 U.S. 294
    , 304 (1991) (holding that conditions
    of confinement may establish an Eighth Amendment
    violation in combination, even if each would not
    suffice alone; this would occur when they have “a
    mutually enforcing effect that produces the deprivation
    of a single, identifiable human need such as food,
    warmth, or exercise”); DeSpain v. Uphoff, 
    264 F.3d 965
    ,
    974 (10th Cir. 2001) (concluding that exposure to human
    waste for 36 hours would constitute a deprivation
    serious enough to violate the Eighth Amendment).
    Like the majority, I conclude that we are authorized
    in this appeal to consider the question whether the plain-
    tiffs have stated a claim against the Secretary. I have
    nothing to add to its analysis in Part II of its opinion. In
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    particular, I agree with the majority that the panel
    correctly ruled that 5 U.S.C. § 701(b)(1)(G) forecloses
    plaintiffs’ claims against the United States. I therefore
    proceed directly to explain my disagreement with
    Part III of the majority’s opinion, and my agreement
    with the ultimate conclusion of Part IV (and thus with
    the ultimate decision to reverse the judgment of the
    district court).
    II
    In Part III of its opinion, the majority tackles the
    broad question “whether to create an extra-statutory
    right of action for damages against military personnel
    who mistreat detainees.” Ante at 7. Almost every part of
    this phrasing of the issue needs closer examination.
    Although a literal sense, the cause of action recognized
    in Bivens v. Six Unknown Named Agents of Federal
    Bureau of Narcotics, 
    403 U.S. 388
     (1971), might be called
    “extra-statutory,” that does not mean that the claim
    sprang forth from the heads of federal judges. It was
    solidly rooted in the most fundamental source of law
    we have, the Constitution, and in particular the
    Fourth Amendment. The lawsuit fell comfortably within
    the boundaries of the federal-question jurisdiction Con-
    gress has conferred in 28 U.S.C. § 1331. To expand
    Vance’s and Ertel’s case to one that involves any and
    all possible claims against military personnel is, as
    Judge Hamilton has persuasively shown, neither neces-
    sary nor wise. Had Vance and Ertel known from the
    start the identity of their tormenters, and had they sued
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    only those people, we might have a very different
    reaction to the issues presented. I consider it premature
    at best to assume that a civilian in the state of Texas
    who is dragged by a military officer onto the grounds of
    Fort Hood and then tortured would not have a Bivens
    cause of action against that officer. Although the
    majority stresses that the events in our case occurred in
    a “combat zone,” even that is not entirely accurate. In
    fact, plaintiffs were removed from the active combat
    zone and placed into a military prison—critically, a
    place where there was plenty of time to make con-
    sidered decisions and enemy forces were nowhere to
    be seen. Finally, the phrase “mistreat detainees”
    wrongly implies possible liability for a broader range
    of injury than the plaintiffs are asserting (or at least
    than I would be prepared to recognize). More than
    simple mistreatment is at stake here. We are talking
    about conduct that the international community
    recognizes as torture and that lies at the extreme end
    of that which would support a finding of Eighth Amend-
    ment liability in a suit brought by a domestic prisoner.
    Rather than starting—and ending—with Secretary
    Rumsfeld, the majority inexplicably starts at the bottom
    of the military hierarchy. It makes the obvious point that
    if the lowest private and her immediate commanders
    have done nothing wrong, then the lieutenants, captains,
    colonels, generals above her, including ultimately
    the Secretary of Defense, would similarly have no
    liability for that private’s actions. But why start there?
    It is a fallacy to think that the converse of this is true:
    that just because the Secretary has done nothing wrong,
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    then none of the people inferior to him can have erred.
    The majority acknowledges just this point in Part IV of
    its opinion, ante at 21-22. Cases are legion where a
    warden is exonerated even though prison guards are
    liable; where a school superintendent has no liability
    even though a principal does. See, e.g., Lojuk v. Quandt,
    
    706 F.2d 1456
     (7th Cir. 1983) (Veterans Administration
    staff psychiatrist may be liable for performing electro-
    shock therapy on patient without consent, but super-
    visor is not); Lenz v. Wade, 
    490 F.3d 991
     (8th Cir. 2007)
    (officers liable for beating inmate, but warden is not);
    Baynard v. Malone, 
    268 F.3d 228
     (4th Cir. 2001) (principal
    and teacher liable for teacher’s sexual abuse of student,
    but superintendent and personnel director are not).
    The majority has written with a broad brush with
    respect to those lower down in the chain of responsi-
    bility, and it does not seem to have drawn any distinc-
    tion between the obviously culpable actors and those
    whose involvement may have been more indirect. But
    perhaps it has: in the end I cannot tell whether the
    majority intends to preclude Bivens liability even for the
    direct actors. Either way, I find the gist of the majority’s
    discussion troubling. The Court has seen many cases
    raising questions about abusive police, military, or prison
    guard tactics. In the police and prison contexts, the
    Court has affirmatively recognized the availability of
    Bivens actions. See Bivens; Carlson v. Green, 
    446 U.S. 14
    , 19
    (1980). And the majority passes over without comment
    the Bivens cases that have come before the Court at the
    certiorari stage over the years. Although we all know
    that a denial of certiorari in itself does not convey any
    30                                  Nos. 10-1687 & 10-2442
    message—either approval or disapproval—we know
    equally well that the Court does not hesitate to step in
    and correct lower courts that have strayed beyond
    the boundaries it has established. It has done just this
    in case after case in the habeas corpus area. See Overstreet
    v. Wilson, 
    686 F.3d 404
    , 410-11 (7th Cir. 2012) (Wood, J.,
    dissenting) (listing cases reversing grants of habeas
    corpus relief and noting the use of summary reversals
    in this area). The Court has not sent such clear signals
    in the Bivens Eighth Amendment context, even as it has
    issued decisions such as Minneci v. Pollard, 
    132 S. Ct. 617
    (2012), which declined to make a Bivens remedy avail-
    able against employees of a private prison facility. Had
    the Court wished to disapprove Bivens actions altogether,
    it would not have taken the trouble in Minneci to
    review the history of Bivens and decide on which side
    of the line the proposed claim fell.
    The Court’s acceptance of Bivens in the closely
    related area of the Eighth Amendment is consistent
    with both Congress’s actions and the position of the
    Executive Branch. The majority brushes over the fact
    that the Detainee Treatment Act expressly provides a
    defense to a civil action brought against a member of
    the Armed Forces or any other agent of the U.S. gov-
    ernment for engaging in practices prohibited by that
    law. What suit? Congress can have been referring only
    to a Bivens action. It did much the same thing when
    it passed the Westfall Act of 1988, which went out of
    its way to state that the substitution of the United States
    for a federal employee for purposes of the Federal Tort
    Claims Act “does not extend or apply to a civil action
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    against an employee of the Government . . . which is
    brought for a violation of the Constitution of the United
    States.” 28 U.S.C. § 2679(b)(2). Although it is theoretically
    possible that Congress was just underscoring its under-
    standing that no such suit was possible, that is a
    strained reading of the statutory language, and it is a
    reading that some scholars have rejected. See James E.
    Pfander and David Baltmanis, Rethinking Bivens: Legitimacy
    and Constitutional Adjudication, 98 Georgetown L. J. 117,
    132-38 (2009) (arguing that Congress “joined the Court
    as a partner in recognizing remedies in the nature of a
    Bivens action [based on] the Westfall Act’s preservation
    of suits for violation of the Constitution and [on] the
    considerations that led to its adoption.”).
    Moreover, as Judge Hamilton notes, the State Depart-
    ment relied on the availability of Bivens actions when
    it filed answers to a number of questions posed by the
    United Nations committee with oversight responsi-
    bility over the Convention Against Torture (CAT). Ques-
    tion 5 pointed out that the United States had taken
    the position that the CAT was not self-executing, and it
    asked for a specification of how the United States
    proposed to meet its obligations under the Convention.
    The State Department provided a lengthy response,
    which in relevant part read as follows:
    Finally, U.S. law provides various avenues for
    seeking redress, including financial compensation,
    in cases of torture and other violations of con-
    stitutional and statutory rights relevant to the
    Convention. Besides the general rights of appeal,
    32                                  Nos. 10-1687 & 10-2442
    these can include any of the following, depending
    on the location of the conduct, the actor, and
    other circumstances:
    * * *
    • Bringing a civil action in federal or state court
    under the federal civil rights statute, 42 U.S.C.
    § 1983, directly against state or local officials
    for money damages or injunctive relief;
    • Seeking damages for negligence of federal offi-
    cials and for negligence and intentional torts of
    federal law enforcement officers under the
    Federal Tort Claims Act, 22 U.S.C. § 2671 et seq.,
    or of other state and municipal officials under
    comparable state statutes;
    • Suing federal officials directly for damages
    under provisions of the U.S. Constitution for “con-
    stitutional torts,” see Bivens v. Six Unknown Named
    Agents, 
    403 U.S. 388
     (1971), and Davis v. Passman,
    
    442 U.S. 228
     (1979);
    * * *
    See United States Written Response to Questions Asked
    by the United Nations Committee Against Torture, ¶ 5
    (Apr. 28, 2006) (Question 5), available at http://
    www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/68554.htm (last visited Oct. 30,
    2012). I do not know whether the State Department will
    feel compelled to inform the Committee that it was in
    error with respect to its Bivens/Davis representation in
    light of the majority’s opinion, but there is no ambiguity
    in what it said.
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    The last point the majority makes in Part III is that, in
    their view, the plaintiffs’ citizenship should not be
    dispositive either way. If we were writing on a clean
    slate, then I would enthusiastically endorse that senti-
    ment. The problem is that the background statutes—not
    to mention international law—are replete with distinc-
    tions based on citizenship. Thus, the Torture Victim
    Protection Act, 28 U.S.C. § 1350 note, provides a remedy
    to any “individual,” but only against “[a]n individual”
    who acts “under actual or apparent authority, or color
    of law, of any foreign nation.” Id., § 2(a). The Alien Tort
    Statute, 28 U.S.C. § 1350, covers only “any civil action by
    an alien for a tort only . . . .” (Emphasis added.) Principles
    of legislative jurisdiction in international law recognize
    authority based not only on territory, but also on na-
    tionality. See Restatement (Third) of Foreign Relations
    Law of the United States, § 402, which provides that
    subject to certain reasonableness limitations, “a state
    has jurisdiction to prescribe law with respect to . . . the
    activities, interests, status, or relations of its nationals
    outside as well as within its territory.” Id. § 402(2). In
    fact, if it were true that there is no Bivens theory
    under which a U.S. citizen may sue an official of the
    U.S. government (including a military official) who tor-
    tures that citizen on foreign land under the control of
    the United States (including its military), then U.S.
    citizens will be singled out as the only ones without a
    remedy under U.S. law. That is because existing law
    permits a U.S. citizen to sue a foreign official, and an
    alien can sue anyone who has committed a tort in viola-
    tion of the law of nations. Only by acknowledging
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    the Bivens remedy is it possible to avoid treating U.S.
    citizens worse than we treat others. The fear of offense
    to our allies that the majority fears dissipates as soon
    as we look at the broader picture.
    III
    I turn finally to Part IV of the majority’s opinion,
    in which it concludes that Secretary Rumsfeld cannot be
    held liable to Vance and Ertel no matter what one says
    about other military personnel and civilians who work
    for the armed forces. Here the majority properly reserves
    a critical question. Vance and Ertel, it notes, “do not
    contend that [Secretary Rumsfeld’s] policies authorized
    harsh interrogation of security detainees, as opposed to
    enemy combatants.” Ante at 23. Thus, it concludes, “[t]he
    extent to which untenable directives, policies, and regula-
    tions may support awards of damages can safely be
    postponed to another day.” Ante at 24. I wholeheartedly
    endorse this statement.
    With that said, I conclude, along with the majority,
    that the Supreme Court’s decision in Ashcroft v. Iqbal,
    
    556 U.S. 662
     (2009), governs our decision here. In Iqbal,
    the Court concluded that the Attorney General’s knowl-
    edge of and participation in the mistreatment of the
    plaintiff was remote enough that he could not be held
    vicariously liable for the actions of his subordinates. The
    same must be said of Secretary Rumsfeld. This is not
    because his leadership of the Department of Defense
    had nothing to do with the plaintiffs’ injuries. His
    approval of the so-called harsh techniques may have
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    egged subordinates on to more extreme measures—
    measures that surely violated the standards of the
    Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, as well as broader norms
    such as those in the CAT. But the link between their
    mistreatment and the Secretary’s policies authorizing
    extreme tactics for enemy combatants is too attenuated
    to support this case.
    IV
    In closing, I wish to stress that I do not rest any part
    of my analysis on the fear that Bivens liability would
    cause Cabinet Secretaries to carry out their responsi-
    bilities with one eye on their wallets, rather than for the
    greater good of their department and the country. The
    majority suggests as much in several places, see ante at 12,
    17-18, but I find this disrespectful of both the dedication
    of those who serve in government and the serious
    interests that the plaintiffs are raising. The majority’s
    suggestions derive from comments the Court has made
    over the years in its qualified immunity decisions, where
    it has considered the question whether personal liability
    for constitutional torts might “dampen the ardor of all
    but the most resolute . . . in the unflinching discharge
    of their duties.” Harlow v. Fitzgerald, 
    457 U.S. 800
    , 814
    (1982) (quoting Gregoire v. Biddle, 
    177 F.2d 579
    , 581 (2d
    Cir. 1949) (Learned Hand, J.)); see also Butz v. Economou,
    
    438 U.S. 478
    , 506 (1978) (highlighting “public interest in
    encouraging the vigorous exercise of official authority”);
    Anderson v. Creighton, 
    483 U.S. 635
    , 638 (1987) (noting
    that “permitting damages suits against government
    36                                  Nos. 10-1687 & 10-2442
    officials can entail substantial social costs, including the
    risk that fear of personal monetary liability and
    harassing litigation will unduly inhibit officials in the
    discharge of their duties.”). But, as the Court has also
    acknowledged, that concern represents only one side
    of the balance. Otherwise, it would have adopted a
    rule of absolute immunity for government actors, in
    place of the qualified immunity it chose. Bivens, and its
    counterpart for state actors, 42 U.S.C. § 1983, rest on
    the countervailing fact that the threat of personal
    liability for violations of clearly established rules
    gives some teeth to the need to conform to constitu-
    tional boundaries. Courts must balance the risk of over-
    deterrence against “the public interest in deterrence
    of unlawful conduct and in compensation of victims.”
    Harlow, 457 U.S. at 819; see also Carlson v. Green, 
    446 U.S. 14
    , 21 (1980) (“It is almost axiomatic that the threat
    of damages has a deterrent effect, surely particularly
    so when the individual official faces personal financial
    liability.”) (internal citation omitted). While I recognize
    the need to avoid over-deterrence, I see nothing in this
    case that requires us to depart from the “balance that
    [the Supreme Court’s] cases [traditionally] strike
    between the interests in vindication of citizens’ constitu-
    tional rights and in public officials’ effective per-
    formance of their duties” through qualified immunity.
    Anderson, 483 U.S. at 639.
    Finally, I add that our decision here spells the practical
    end to this case. This is certainly true with respect to
    the “John Doe” defendants. The two-year statute of
    limitations that we apply in Bivens cases has long since
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    run, and we do not permit relation back under Federal
    Rule of Civil Procedure 15(c)(1)(C) where the plaintiff
    simply did not know whom to sue. See, e.g., Hall v. Norfolk
    So. Ry. Co., 
    469 F.3d 590
    , 597 (7th Cir. 2006); King v. One
    Unknown Federal Correctional Officer, 
    201 F.3d 910
    , 914
    (7th Cir. 2000); see generally 6A Charles Alan Wright
    et al., F EDERAL P RACTICE AND P ROCEDURE § 1498.3 (3d ed.
    2010).
    I therefore respectfully concur only in the judgment
    of the court.
    HAMILTON, Circuit Judge, joined by ROVNER and
    WILLIAMS, Circuit Judges, dissenting. All members of
    this court agree that plaintiffs Vance and Ertel have
    alleged that members of the United States military tor-
    tured them in violation of the United States Constitu-
    tion, and that in reviewing a denial of a motion to
    dismiss under Rule 12(b)(6), we must accept those al-
    legations as true. Our disagreement is about whether
    plaintiffs have a civil remedy available to them under
    Bivens v. Six Unknown Named Agents of Federal Bureau
    of Narcotics, 
    403 U.S. 388
     (1971), which allows a victim of
    a constitutional violation to sue a responsible federal
    officer or employee for damages.
    If a victim of torture by the Syrian military can find
    his torturer in the United States, U.S. law provides a civil
    38                                  Nos. 10-1687 & 10-2442
    remedy against the torturer. Torture Victim Protection
    Act of 1991, 28 U.S.C. § 1350 note. If the victim is killed,
    the same U.S. law provides his survivors a civil remedy.
    The same could be said for victims of torture by any
    other government in the world — any other, that is,
    except one. Under the majority’s decision, civilian
    U.S. citizens who are tortured or worse by our own mil-
    itary have no such remedy. That disparity attributes
    to our government and to our legal system a degree
    of hypocrisy that is breathtaking.
    The majority’s result is not required or justified by
    Supreme Court precedent, and it fails to carry out
    the judiciary’s responsibility under Supreme Court prece-
    dents to protect individual rights under the Constitu-
    tion, including a right so basic as not to be tortured by
    our government. Although the majority opinion is writ-
    ten in terms of whether to “create” a cause of action
    under Bivens, the majority in effect creates a new absolute
    immunity from Bivens liability for all members of the
    U.S. military. This new absolute immunity applies not
    only to former Secretary Rumsfeld but to all members
    of the military, including those who were literally hands-
    on in torturing these plaintiffs. It applies to military
    mistreatment of civilians not only in Iraq but also in
    Illinois, Wisconsin, and Indiana.
    The majority’s immunity is even more sweeping than
    the government and former Secretary Rumsfeld sought.
    To find this immunity, the majority relies on Chappell
    v. Wallace, 
    462 U.S. 296
     (1983), and United States v.
    Stanley, 
    483 U.S. 669
     (1987), which each held that soldiers
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    may not sue under Bivens for injuries “incident to ser-
    vice.” The majority decision takes Chappell and Stanley
    far beyond their holdings and rationales, granting the
    entire U.S. military an exemption from all Bivens liability,
    even to civilians. The majority decision is also difficult
    to reconcile with Mitchell v. Forsyth, 
    472 U.S. 511
    , 520-24
    (1985), which held that national security considerations
    did not entitle another former cabinet officer to abso-
    lute immunity in a Bivens action.
    For these reasons, and because this appeal raises such
    fundamental issues about the relationship between the
    American people and our government, I respectfully
    dissent. The panel opinion explained in detail why the
    civil immunity sought by defendants is not justified for
    a claim for torture or worse in a U.S. military prison in
    Iraq. Vance v. Rumsfeld, 
    653 F.3d 591
     (7th Cir. 2011). I will
    not repeat here all the details from the panel opinion.
    Instead, I address the majority’s new grant of an even
    broader immunity and explain the core Supreme Court
    precedents, the relevant legislation, and the reasoning
    that should allow plaintiffs to pursue their claims for
    torture. Part I first reviews the familiar elements of plain-
    tiffs’ Bivens claims and then explains the errors in the
    majority’s reliance on Chappell and Stanley, as well as
    the import of Mitchell and other cases rejecting
    absolute immunity in similar Bivens cases. Part I then
    turns to the legislation indicating that Congress has
    assumed that Bivens applies to cases like this one, as
    well as the anomalous consequences of the majority’s
    decision. Finally, the opinion addresses briefly in Part II
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    the sufficiency of the allegations against Mr. Rumsfeld
    personally and in Part III the question of qualified im-
    munity.1
    I. Civilian Remedies Under Bivens for Military Wrongdoing
    Before this en banc decision and the Fourth Circuit’s
    recent decision in Lebron v. Rumsfeld, 
    670 F.3d 540
     (4th
    Cir. 2012), there should have been no doubt that a
    civilian U.S. citizen prisoner tortured by a federal official,
    even a military officer, could sue for damages under
    Bivens. See Carlson v. Green, 
    446 U.S. 14
     (1980) (allowing
    Bivens claim against prison officials who were delib-
    erately indifferent to prisoner’s serious medical needs);
    Saucier v. Katz, 
    533 U.S. 194
     (2001) (holding that military
    police officer was entitled to qualified immunity on civil-
    ian’s Bivens claim for excessive force, without sug-
    gesting that defendant’s status as military officer alone
    would bar Bivens action). The majority rejects this con-
    clusion, at least for torture by military personnel, by
    asking the wrong question. Plaintiffs are not asking this
    court to create a cause of action. It already exists. It is
    the defendants who have sought and have now been
    given a new, extraordinary, and anomalous exception
    to Bivens.
    1
    I continue to agree with the panel decision directing
    dismissal of the plaintiffs’ claims against the United States
    for deprivation of their property in No. 10-2442, adopted by
    Part II of the majority opinion. See Vance, 653 F.3d at 626-27.
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    A. The Familiar Elements of Plaintiffs’ Bivens Claims
    All the key elements of plaintiffs’ Bivens claims are
    well established under Supreme Court precedent:
    (1) prisoners may sue for abuse by federal officials;
    (2) civilians may sue military personnel; (3) the Consti-
    tution governs the relationship between U.S. citizens
    and their government overseas; and (4) claims against
    current and former cabinet officials are permitted. Permit-
    ting a Bivens claim for torture by military personnel
    should not be controversial, at least barring interference
    with combat or other highly sensitive activity, which
    is not involved here.
    First, of course, Bivens is available to prisoners who
    have been abused or mistreated by their federal jailors,
    and that reasoning certainly extends to the torture
    alleged here. In Carlson v. Green, 
    446 U.S. 14
    , the Supreme
    Court reversed dismissal of a complaint in which a de-
    ceased prisoner’s representative sued for violation of
    the Eighth Amendment prohibition on cruel and
    unusual punishment, in that case through an alleged
    deliberate denial of needed medical care. Since Carlson,
    federal courts have routinely considered prisoners’ consti-
    tutional claims against federal prison officials. E.g.,
    Bagola v. Kindt, 
    131 F.3d 632
     (7th Cir. 1997) (district
    court properly heard Bivens claim alleging injury as part
    of prison work program where workers’ compensation
    program did not provide adequate safeguards to
    protect prisoner’s Eighth Amendment rights); Del Raine
    v. Williford, 
    32 F.3d 1024
     (7th Cir. 1994) (recognizing
    prisoner’s Bivens claim alleging that he was forced to
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    live in bitterly cold cell). As Judge Wood points out, the
    torture alleged here lies at the extreme end of abuse
    that violates the Constitution.
    Second, under Bivens civilians may sue military per-
    sonnel who violate their constitutional rights. For
    example, Saucier v. Katz, 
    533 U.S. 194
    , an important but
    now overruled case on procedures for deciding
    qualified immunity, was a Bivens claim for excessive
    force brought by a civilian against a military police
    officer. Saucier did not hint that the civilian could not
    sue the military police officer for violations of clearly
    established constitutional rights. If the majority were
    correct, though, the Supreme Court in Saucier should
    have simply rejected the Bivens claim altogether, not
    explored the nuances of procedures for deciding
    qualified immunity.
    Circuit and district courts have decided many Bivens
    cases brought by civilians against military personnel.
    While such claims often fail on the merits or for other
    reasons, the fact that a civilian has sued a military
    official is not a basis for denying relief under Bivens. If
    the majority here were right, though, all such cases
    should have been dismissed on the new and simple
    theory that military personnel are altogether immune
    from Bivens liability. See, e.g., Case v. Milewski, 
    327 F.3d 564
     (7th Cir. 2003) (civilian claim against military officers
    for Fourth and Fifth Amendment violations); Morgan v.
    United States, 
    323 F.3d 776
     (9th Cir. 2003) (civilian claim
    against military police for search of vehicle); Roman v.
    Townsend, 
    224 F.3d 24
     (1st Cir. 2000) (civilian claim
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    against military police officer and Secretary of the
    Army for improper arrest and treatment in detention);
    Applewhite v. United States Air Force, 
    995 F.2d 997
     (10th
    Cir. 1993) (civilian claim against military investigators
    for unlawful search and removal from military base);
    Dunbar Corp. v. Lindsey, 
    905 F.2d 754
    , 761 (4th Cir. 1990)
    (civilian claim against military officers for deprivation
    of property without due process of law); see also Newton
    v. Lee, 
    677 F.3d 1017
    , 1028 (10th Cir. 2012) (civilian
    claim against state National Guard officers under § 1983
    for due process violation); Meister v. Texas Adjutant Gen-
    eral’s Dep’t, 
    233 F.3d 332
    , 338 (5th Cir. 2000) (civilian
    employee of state National Guard could bring constitu-
    tional claims against officers under § 1983); Wright v.
    Park, 
    5 F.3d 586
     (1st Cir. 1993) (whether National
    Guard technician could bring Bivens claim depended on
    whether he was deemed civilian or military personnel);
    Fields v. Blake, 
    349 F. Supp. 2d 910
    , 921 (E.D. Pa. 2004)
    (summary judgment on the merits of civilian’s claim
    against military officer for unconstitutional arrest);
    Willson v. Cagle, 
    711 F. Supp. 1521
    , 1526 (N.D. Cal. 1988)
    (concluding that “a Bivens action may potentially lie
    against military officers and civilian employees of the
    military” for protesters injured when a military muni-
    tions train collided with them), aff’d mem., 
    900 F.2d 263
    (9th Cir. 1990) (affirming denial of qualified immunity);
    Barrett v. United States, 
    622 F. Supp. 574
     (S.D.N.Y.
    1985) (allowing civilian’s Bivens claim to proceed
    against military officials for their alleged concealment of
    their roles in the creation and administration of an
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    army chemical warfare experiment), aff’d, 
    798 F.2d 565
    (2d Cir. 1986).2
    Third, when civilian U.S. citizens leave the United
    States, we take with us the constitutional rights that
    protect us from our government. In Reid v. Covert,
    
    354 U.S. 1
     (1957), the Supreme Court held that
    civilian members of military families could not be tried
    in courts martial. Justice Black wrote for a plurality of
    four Justices:
    At the beginning we reject the idea that when
    the United States acts against citizens abroad it
    can do so free of the Bill of Rights. The United
    States is entirely a creature of the Constitution. Its
    power and authority have no other source. It can
    only act in accordance with all the limitations
    imposed by the Constitution. When the Government
    reaches out to punish a citizen who is abroad, the
    shield which the Bill of Rights and other parts of the
    Constitution provide to protect his life and liberty
    should not be stripped away just because he happens
    to be in another land. This is not a novel concept. To
    the contrary, it is as old as government.
    Id. at 5-6 (emphasis added). That general proposition
    remains vital, as reaffirmed in Boumediene v. Bush, holding
    2
    Among the cited cases, Newton, Meister, and Wright involved
    claims under 42 U.S.C. § 1983 against military officials in
    state National Guards, but the courts in those cases tracked the
    Bivens analysis under the Chappell, Stanley, and Feres cases
    discussed below.
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    that aliens held as combatants at Guantanamo Bay
    may invoke the writ of habeas corpus to challenge their
    detention: “Even when the United States acts outside
    its borders, its powers are not ‘absolute and unlimited’
    but are subject ‘to such restrictions as are expressed in
    the Constitution.’ ” 
    553 U.S. 723
    , 765 (2008), quoting
    Murphy v. Ramsey, 
    114 U.S. 15
    , 44 (1885); see also Munaf
    v. Geren, 
    553 U.S. 674
    , 688 (2008) (holding that civilian
    U.S. citizens held in U.S. military custody in Iraq could
    petition for a writ of habeas corpus in federal district
    court). Cf. United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, 
    494 U.S. 259
    (1990) (holding that non-resident alien could not
    invoke Fourth Amendment to challenge search by U.S.
    officials in foreign country).3
    Fourth, our laws permit suit against public officials for
    actions taken while serving at the highest levels of the
    United States government. The majority expresses great
    concern over former Secretary Rumsfeld’s personal fi-
    nances and how the risk of Bivens liability might affect
    other senior government officials as they perform their
    3
    The majority cites Verdugo-Urquidez to show it is “not settled”
    whether the Constitution applies to interrogation outside
    the United States, slip op. at 7-8, but the majority ignores the
    fact that the party in that case was a non-resident alien, not a
    citizen or national of the United States. Reid and Munaf show
    it is well established that U.S. citizens do not abandon their
    constitutional rights with respect to their own government
    when leaving U.S. borders. This dicta from our court should
    most definitely not be used to justify a defense of qualified
    immunity by federal personnel who violate constitutional
    rights in overseas interrogations.
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    public duties. The policy balances that are always part of
    Bivens analysis are no doubt delicate. The defendant’s
    former rank, however, is not a basis for rejecting these
    plaintiffs’ claims. The Supreme Court has repeatedly
    permitted Bivens actions against other cabinet members.
    See, e.g., Mitchell v. Forsyth, 
    472 U.S. 511
     (1985) (former
    Attorney General was entitled to qualified immunity, not
    absolute immunity, from damages suit arising out of
    national security-related actions); Harlow v. Fitzgerald,
    
    457 U.S. 800
    , 818 (1982) (senior presidential aides are
    entitled to qualified immunity, not absolute immunity,
    from liability when their conduct “does not violate
    clearly established statutory or constitutional rights
    of which a reasonable person would have known”);
    Halperin v. Kissinger, 
    606 F.2d 1192
     (D.C. Cir. 1979) (senior
    executive branch officials, including a former President,
    were not absolutely immune from suit for damages
    by citizen alleging an unconstitutional wiretap), aff’d in
    relevant part, 
    452 U.S. 713
     (1981); Butz v. Economou,
    
    438 U.S. 478
     (1978) (Secretary of Agriculture and other
    executive branch officials ordinarily may be entitled to
    qualified, not absolute, immunity from constitutional
    claims).
    B. Bivens Cases Involving the Military and National Secu-
    rity
    Without coming to grips with the principles and prece-
    dents supporting plaintiffs’ claims here, the majority errs
    by relying on Chappell v. Wallace and United States v.
    Stanley to exempt any military personnel from civil
    liability for violating the constitutional rights of civilians.
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    The Supreme Court itself has never adopted or even
    suggested such a sweeping view.
    Chappell was the easier case, in which enlisted sailors
    sued their direct superior officers under Bivens for race
    discrimination. In dismissing those claims, the Court
    was guided by the Feres doctrine under the Federal Tort
    Claims Act, which bars military personnel from suing
    for injuries “incident to service.” See Feres v. United
    States, 
    340 U.S. 135
     (1950). Relying on Feres, the Chappell
    Court held unanimously that the sailors could not sue
    their direct superior officers under Bivens. 462 U.S. at
    305. Nothing in Chappell hinted that its reasoning
    would apply to civilians whose constitutional rights
    were violated by military personnel, and it is well estab-
    lished that the Feres doctrine does not apply to claims
    by civilians. E.g., United States v. Brown, 
    348 U.S. 110
    (1954); M.M.H. v. United States, 
    966 F.2d 285
    , 288-89
    (7th Cir. 1992) (Feres doctrine did not apply to veteran’s
    negligence claim based on Army’s negligence after vet-
    eran’s discharge); Rogers v. United States, 
    902 F.2d 1268
    ,
    1273-74 (7th Cir. 1990). The reliance on the Feres doctrine
    is a strong signal that Chappell does not reach claims
    by civilians and that the majority errs by relying upon
    it here.
    Stanley also provides no basis for barring Bivens claims
    by civilians. While plaintiff Stanley was serving in the
    Army, he was exposed to LSD without his consent in
    secret experiments, resulting in serious harm to him and
    his family. He sued under Bivens for violation of his
    constitutional rights. The potential individual de-
    fendants would have included not his direct superior
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    officers but other military and civilian personnel. A
    closely divided Supreme Court held that he could not sue
    under Bivens because his injuries arose incident to his
    military service, essentially applying the full extent of
    the Feres “incident to service” standard to Bivens claims
    by military personnel. 483 U.S. at 684 (“We hold that
    no Bivens remedy is available for injuries that ‘arise out
    of or are in the course of activity incident to service.’ ”),
    quoting Feres, 340 U.S. at 146. Stanley teaches that the
    plaintiff’s status as military or civilian is decisive in a
    Bivens case, not that military defendants cannot be
    sued under Bivens.
    The majority’s use of Stanley to bar torture claims by
    civilians depends on dicta severed from context: “The
    ‘special factor’ that ‘counsels hesitation’ is not the fact
    that Congress has chosen to afford some manner of
    relief in the particular case, but the fact that congressio-
    nally uninvited intrusion into military affairs by the
    judiciary is inappropriate.” Slip op. at 11-12, quoting 483
    U.S. at 683. That sentence cannot reasonably be read to
    have extended a blanket exemption to all U.S. military
    personnel for Bivens liability to civilians. That was not
    the issue before the Court, and the Court would not
    have casually embraced such a sweeping rule in dicta.
    Even if it had, surely someone would have noticed. Until
    the majority’s decision here, though, no other circuit
    court has read Chappell and Stanley to produce this extra-
    ordinary result.4
    4
    Even the Fourth Circuit’s opinion in Lebron did not go as far
    as the majority. Lebron rejected Bivens claims by a U.S. citizen
    (continued...)
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    We should focus instead on the Supreme Court’s
    more relevant decisions in Mitchell v. Forsyth, 
    472 U.S. 551
    , and Scheuer v. Rhodes, 
    416 U.S. 232
     (1974). In
    Mitchell, the Court held that former Attorney General
    Mitchell was not entitled to absolute immunity from
    Bivens liability for ordering unconstitutional surveillance
    of the plaintiff even though Mr. Mitchell argued he
    acted for reasons of national security. 472 U.S. at 520-24.
    The Court observed that the national security context
    counseled in favor of permitting the suit. Because
    national security tasks are carried out in secret, “it is far
    more likely that actual abuses will go uncovered than
    that fancied abuses will give rise to unfounded and
    burdensome litigation,” id. at 522, and the “danger
    that high federal officials will disregard constitutional
    4
    (...continued)
    held in military custody after the President himself had desig-
    nated the plaintiff an enemy combatant. First, the Lebron court
    emphasized the enemy combatant designation. 670 F.3d at
    549. Second, the plaintiff had dropped claims against the lower-
    level personnel with hands-on responsibility for his treat-
    ment. He was pursuing only high-level policy claims that raised
    “fundamental questions incident to the conduct of armed
    conflict.” Id. at 550. The plaintiffs in this case, by contrast, were
    employed by U.S. military contractors and were trying to
    help the FBI investigate corruption in the U.S. mission to
    Iraq. They assert claims that are perfectly consistent with
    U.S. law and stated military policy on interrogation tech-
    niques and treatment of prisoners. Plaintiffs contend here
    that the defendants violated military policy and U.S. statutes,
    as well as the Constitution.
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    rights in their zeal to protect the national security is
    sufficiently real to counsel against affording such
    officials an absolute immunity,” id. at 523.
    The Mitchell Court anticipated and firmly rejected the
    majority’s arguments for absolute immunity based on
    concerns about the chilling effect that the prospect of
    personal liability might have for even senior govern-
    ment officials. The Court held instead that qualified
    immunity would strike the correct balance between
    deterring clear violations of constitutional rights and
    giving government officials room for discretionary judg-
    ment and reasonable mistakes:
    “Where an official could be expected to know that his
    conduct would violate statutory or constitutional
    rights, he should be made to hesitate . . . .” [Harlow v.
    Fitzgerald, 
    457 U.S. 800
    , 819 (1982) (emphasis added).]
    This is as true in matters of national security as in
    other fields of government action. We do not believe
    that the security of the Republic will be threatened
    if its Attorney General is given incentives to abide
    by clearly established law.
    472 U.S. at 524. That reasoning applies directly to this
    case and to the Secretary of Defense and other military
    personnel in the operation of military prisons.
    Scheuer v. Rhodes arose from the fatal shots that
    National Guardsmen fired at protesting students at
    Kent State University in 1970. The plaintiffs alleged
    constitutional violations in a suit under 42 U.S.C. § 1983
    against the state’s governor and several officers in the
    National Guard. The defendants argued they were
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    entitled to absolute immunity when using military force
    to restore public order. The Supreme Court unanimously
    rejected that defense and held that the defendants
    were entitled to only qualified immunity for these claims
    by civilians. 416 U.S. at 248-49. Because the defendants
    were state officials, the suit was under section 1983
    rather than Bivens, but for present purposes the key
    point is that the use of military force against civilians
    was subject to only qualified immunity, not the absolute
    immunity that the majority in this case grants to
    military personnel.5
    C. Legislation and “Special Factors”
    In addition to reading Chappell and Stanley too broadly,
    the heart of the majority opinion converts the second
    step of Bivens analysis — looking at “special factors” that
    5
    The majority’s discussion of Chappell and Wallace begins
    with what in football would be called a head-fake, suggesting
    mistakenly that because plaintiffs Vance and Ertel were
    civilians working for a military contractor, they might be
    deemed soldiers for purposes of Bivens, Chappell, and Stanley.
    Slip op. at 10-11. Under the statutes cited by the majority,
    plaintiffs could have been subject to civilian U.S. criminal law if
    they had been suspected of committing a crime in Iraq. See
    18 U.S.C. §§ 3261, 3267(1)(A)(iii). Section 3261 does not treat
    them as soldiers or make them subject to military discipline or
    the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Also, of course, no one
    relied on section 3261 to detain plaintiffs, let alone to justify
    torturing them.
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    might counsel hesitation before authorizing the
    claim — into a search for evidence that Congress has
    expressly authorized Bivens actions against U.S. military
    personnel. This method of analysis fails to follow the
    Supreme Court’s instructions for considering new ques-
    tions about the scope of the Bivens remedy. The first
    step is to consider “whether any alternative, existing
    process for protecting the interest amounts to a con-
    vincing reason for the Judicial Branch to refrain from
    providing a new and freestanding remedy in damages.”
    Wilkie v. Robbins, 
    551 U.S. 537
    , 550 (2007). The short
    answer is no. The defendants do not suggest that there
    is any alternative remedial scheme at all comparable to
    a potential Bivens remedy in the way that Social Security
    procedures and remedies in Schweiker or the federal
    civil service procedures and remedies in Bush provided
    substitute remedies that foreclosed Bivens remedies.
    See Schweiker v. Chilicky, 
    487 U.S. 412
     (1988); Bush v.
    Lucas, 
    462 U.S. 367
     (1983).
    Because there is no sufficient alternative, we should
    proceed to the second step of the Bivens test as described
    in Bush v. Lucas: “the federal courts must make the kind
    of remedial determination that is appropriate for a
    common-law tribunal, paying particular heed, however,
    to any special factors counselling hesitation before autho-
    rizing a new kind of federal litigation.” 462 U.S. at
    378, quoted in Wilkie, 551 U.S. at 550.
    The focus before the panel was on torture claims arising
    from military custody in the controlled, non-combat
    environment of military prisons in an overseas war
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    zone. That context requires careful balancing under the
    second step of the Bivens analysis, and the panel opinion
    discussed the relevant considerations for rejecting
    the defense arguments based on the narrower rationale
    they offered. See Vance, 653 F.3d at 617-26. Because the
    en banc majority’s approach sweeps so much more
    broadly than the defendants’ own arguments, I will not
    repeat the panel’s discussion here. The majority reviews
    a wide range of statutes and finds in them con-
    gressional disfavor for Bivens actions against military
    personnel generally, based on an inference that
    Congress would prefer to have compensation for
    wrongs done by the military come from the Treasury
    rather than the judgments against individual personnel.
    When we look closely at the statutes, however, it
    should become clear that Congress has legislated on the
    assumption that U.S. nationals, at least, should have
    Bivens remedies against U.S. military personnel in
    most situations.
    First, let’s look at legislation on the subject of torture.
    Torture is a crime under international and U.S. law. U.S.
    law provides expressly for civil remedies for victims
    of torture by government officials of other nations in
    the Torture Victim Protection Act of 1991, Pub. L. 102-
    256, codified as note to the Alien Tort Statute, 28 U.S.C.
    § 1350. Section 2(a) of that Act provides a cause of
    action for damages against a person who, “under actual
    or apparent authority, or color of law, of any foreign
    nation,” subjects another person to torture or extra-
    judicial killing. Section 2(b) requires U.S. courts to
    decline to hear such claims “if the claimant has not ex-
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    hausted adequate and available remedies in the place”
    where the conduct occurred. Under the Act, if an alien
    has been tortured by her own government, and if that
    foreign government provides no adequate and available
    civil remedies, then a U.S. court can hear the case
    against a defendant found here.
    Under the majority holding here, however, the same
    U.S. courts are closed to U.S. citizens who are victims
    of torture by U.S. military personnel. The majority thus
    errs by attributing to Congress an intention to deny
    U.S. civilians a right that Congress has expressly ex-
    tended to the rest of the world. A victim of torture by
    the Syrian military, for example, can sue in a U.S. court,
    but a U.S. citizen tortured by the U.S. military cannot.
    That conclusion should be deeply troubling, to put it
    mildly. We should not attribute that improbable view
    to Congress without a far more compelling basis
    than the majority offers.
    To illustrate this anomaly further, suppose another
    country has enacted its own law identical to the U.S.
    Torture Victim Protection Act. Under the majority’s
    reasoning, there are no “adequate and available
    remedies in the place” where the conduct occurred (a
    U.S. military base). If Mr. Rumsfeld could be found
    visiting a country with its own TVPA (so he could be
    served with process), plaintiffs Vance and Ertel could sue
    him in that country under its TVPA because U.S. law
    would provide no remedy. Surely the Congress that
    enacted the Torture Victim Protection Act would
    rather have such claims against U.S. officials heard in
    U.S. courts.
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    In fact, the U.S. government has relied on the
    availability of Bivens claims in cases of government
    torture to help show that the U.S. is complying with
    our obligations under the United Nations Convention
    Against Torture. A United Nations committee over-
    seeing compliance questioned the fact that the United
    States had enacted virtually no new legislation to imple-
    ment the Convention Against Torture. The State Depart-
    ment assured the United Nations that the Bivens remedy
    is available to victims of torture by U.S. officials. The
    State Department made no exception for military person-
    nel, who were the principal focus of the U.N. inquiry.
    See United States Written Response to Questions
    Asked by the United Nations Committee Against Torture,
    ¶ 5 (Apr. 28, 2006) (Question 5), available at http://
    www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/68554.htm (last accessed Oct. 25,
    2012); see also Arar v. Ashcroft, 
    585 F.3d 559
    , 619 (2d Cir.
    2009) (en banc) (Parker, J., dissenting) (pointing out
    this reliance on Bivens).
    In addition to the Torture Victim Protection Act, Con-
    gress acted in the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005
    to grant only limited (good faith) immunity to U.S. per-
    sonnel, including military personnel, in lawsuits by
    alien detainees. For those alien plaintiffs, Congress
    opted to regulate — not prohibit — civil damages
    claims against military officials accused of torturing
    aliens suspected of terrorism. Congress created a good-
    faith defense in civil and criminal cases for officials
    who believed that their actions were legal and
    authorized by the U.S. government:
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    In any civil action or criminal prosecution
    against an officer, employee, member of the
    Armed Forces, or other agent of the United States
    Government [for engaging in practices in-
    volving detention and interrogation of alien de-
    tainees suspected of terrorism] it shall be a
    defense that such officer, employee, member of
    the Armed Forces, or other agent did not know
    that the practices were unlawful and a person of
    ordinary sense and understanding would not
    know the practices were unlawful . . . . Nothing
    in this section shall be construed to limit or ex-
    tinguish any defense or protection otherwise
    available to any person or entity from suit, civil
    or criminal liability, or damages, or to provide
    immunity from prosecution for any criminal
    offense by the proper authorities.
    42 U.S.C. § 2000dd-1(a). This express but limited defense
    against civil claims by alien detainees suspected of terror-
    ism is a strong indication that Congress has not closed
    the door on judicial remedies that are “otherwise avail-
    able,” certainly for U.S. citizens, even though it chose not
    to wrestle with just what those remedies might be.6
    6
    The majority cites the Military Commissions Act of 2006, Pub.
    L. No. 109-366, § 7(a), codified as 28 U.S.C. § 2241(e), 120 Stat.
    2600, 2635-36 (2006), enacted after Vance and Ertel were in
    custody. In that Act, Congress prohibited federal courts from
    exercising jurisdiction over a civil claim by an alien “properly
    detained as an enemy combatant.” That narrow prohibition
    (continued...)
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    Congress took the trouble to grant limited immunity
    in civil actions brought by aliens. Just what potential civil
    liability did Congress have in mind? Bivens suits are
    the most obvious candidate.
    To avoid this reasoning, the majority misses the mark
    by suggesting that Congress might have been worried
    about suits brought by aliens under the Torture Victim
    Protection Act, the law of the nation where the torture
    occurred, or the Alien Tort Statute. Slip op. at 16-17.
    First, the Torture Victim Protection Act applies only to
    torture carried out “under actual or apparent authority,
    or color of law, of any foreign nation.” The Act does not
    apply at all to torture under color of U.S. law. Second, if
    an alien were to sue under the law of the nation where
    the torture took place, it is not likely that the other
    nation’s law would take into account a defense created
    by U.S. law. As for the Alien Tort Statute, such a claim
    by an alien against a U.S. official would be a fairly
    exotic creature, especially as compared to the familiar
    Bivens doctrine.
    Young doctors are taught, “When you hear hoofbeats,
    think horses, not zebras.” The point is that when trying
    to explain an unknown phenomenon, it’s usually
    sensible to look first to the familiar and only later to the
    exotic. That reasoning applies here. When Congress
    6
    (...continued)
    clearly does not apply to Vance or Ertel, and the very narrow-
    ness of it indicates that Congress has not acted to bar actions
    like this one, by U.S. citizens who were not enemy combatants.
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    created the limited good-faith immunity from civil claims
    by aliens in the Detainee Treatment Act, Bivens had been
    a major part of U.S. law for 40 years. If Congress had
    wanted to grant absolute immunity against claims by
    aliens, it would have been easy to draft different lan-
    guage. Congress chose instead to grant qualified im-
    munity in suits by alien detainees, a policy decision
    that was consistent with the Supreme Court’s reasoning
    in Mitchell v. Forsyth, 472 U.S. at 523-24.
    The majority reasons that the DTA’s grant of qualified
    immunity in suits brought by aliens does not imply that
    similar remedies would be available to U.S. citizens. By
    that route, the majority reaches another odd result.
    Under the majority’s reasoning, aliens tortured by the
    U.S. military in violation of international law have more
    rights than U.S. citizens: Aliens could sue U.S. military
    officers for torture (under Bivens, or the Alien Tort
    Statute, or both). They would still need to overcome the
    DTA’s qualified immunity, but under the majority’s
    reading, U.S. citizens cannot bring such a suit at all. That
    reading of congressional intent is highly improbable.
    Reading the DTA, it is more reasonable to attribute to
    Congress the assumption that courts would allow U.S.
    citizens to pursue relief under Bivens, subject to the
    familiar qualified immunity defense.
    Looking to other legislation, the majority criticizes
    plaintiffs for not having sought relief under the Military
    Claims Act, 10 U.S.C. § 2733, or the Foreign Claims Act,
    10 U.S.C. § 2734, though the majority wisely concedes
    at least for the sake of argument that these statutes are
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    not full substitutes for a Bivens remedy. Slip op. at 15. This
    criticism is misguided, as implied by the fact that even
    the defendants did not rely on these statutes at all
    before the en banc phase of the case. At the most basic
    level, those laws simply do not apply to claims for con-
    stitutional violations. 32 C.F.R. § 536.42. Nor do they
    apply to intentional torts, including assault, battery,
    and false imprisonment. 32 C.F.R. § 536.45(h). Plaintiffs
    would have been wasting everyone’s time by asserting
    claims under either Act.7
    D. The Role of Citizenship in Constitutional Remedies
    The panel relied on plaintiffs’ status as U.S. citizens to
    distinguish Arar v. Ashcroft, 
    585 F.3d 559
    , and Ali v.
    Rumsfeld, 
    649 F.3d 762
     (D.C. Cir. 2011), where plaintiffs
    asserting torture claims under Bivens were aliens. The
    panel issued its decision before Lebron, 
    670 F.3d 540
    ,
    and Doe v. Rumsfeld, 
    683 F.3d 390
     (D.C. Cir. 2012), went
    further and dismissed similar Bivens claims by U.S. citi-
    zens. The majority describes the panel’s distinction be-
    7
    Sections 536.42 and 536.45(h) apply to claims under both the
    MCA and the FCA. Even if those laws could apply to these
    plaintiffs’ allegations, relief under the MCA and FCA is unlike
    the remedies in Schweiker and Bush because it is left to the
    discretion of the Secretary of the Army or Defense and there is
    no right to judicial review. Also, plaintiffs Vance and Ertel
    probably would not have qualified as “inhabitants” of a foreign
    country as required for the limited and discretionary relief
    under the FCA. See 10 U.S.C. § 2734(a).
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    tween citizens and aliens as “offensive to our allies” and
    “offensive to our own principles of equal treatment.” Slip
    op. at 18. The prohibitions against torture are matters of
    international law as well as U.S. law, and those prohibi-
    tions reflect basic and universal human rights. That does
    not mean, however, that citizenship is irrelevant in decid-
    ing about remedies for torture. If the U.S. government
    harms citizens of other nations, they can turn to their
    home governments to stand up for their rights. That is
    not true for these U.S. citizens alleging torture by their
    own government. No other government can stand up
    for them.
    Other federal courts have faced difficult issues
    when alien enemy combatants have sought protection
    in civilian U.S. courts. U.S. courts have been reluctant
    to extend constitutional protections to such parties or
    to examine too closely the actions of our military in
    armed conflicts. We do not need to decide those
    difficult issues in this case, which was brought not by
    members of al Qaeda or designated enemy combatants,
    but by U.S. citizens working for military contractors
    and trying to help the FBI uncover corrupt dealings
    that were endangering U.S. troops. The enemy com-
    batant cases are difficult, but we should not let those
    difficulties lead us to turn our backs on legitimate con-
    stitutional claims of U.S. citizens.
    The Supreme Court has relied on the difference be-
    tween citizens and aliens in deciding whether to allow
    access to civilian U.S. courts in similar contexts. We
    should decide this case in favor of allowing these U.S.
    citizens to proceed, even if we might be reluctant to
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    extend such rights to enemy combatants or other alien
    detainees in Iraq or other war zones.
    When considering actions our government takes over-
    seas, there is room to distinguish between the govern-
    ment’s duties to its own citizens and duties it may have
    to other persons. As the Supreme Court concluded in
    Reid: “When the Government reaches out to punish a
    citizen who is abroad, the shield which the Bill of
    Rights and other parts of the Constitution provide to
    protect his life and liberty should not be stripped away
    just because he happens to be in another land.” 354 U.S.
    at 6 (plurality opinion of Black, J.); see also Kar v.
    Rumsfeld, 
    580 F. Supp. 2d 80
    , 83 (D.D.C. 2008) (finding
    that the “Fourth and Fifth Amendments certainly
    protect U.S. citizens detained in the course of hostilities
    in Iraq”), citing Reid and United States v. Toscanino,
    
    500 F.2d 267
    , 280 (2d Cir. 1974) (“That the Bill of
    Rights has extraterritorial application to the conduct of
    federal agents directed at United States citizens is
    well settled.”).
    In fact, the Supreme Court has distinguished between
    citizens and aliens in deciding whether remedies were
    available in civilian courts for U.S. military detention
    overseas. In Johnson v. Eisentrager, 
    339 U.S. 763
    , 785
    (1950), the Supreme Court held that enemy aliens (Ger-
    mans working in Asia to aid Japan after the German
    surrender in 1945) were not entitled to seek writs of
    habeas corpus in civilian U.S. courts. Eisentrager re-
    peatedly made clear that its holding was limited to
    aliens during wartime and did not apply to U.S. citizens.
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    For example: “our law does not abolish inherent dis-
    tinctions recognized throughout the civilized world
    between citizens and aliens . . . .” Id. at 769. “With
    the citizen we are now little concerned, except to set
    his case apart as untouched by this decision and to
    take measure of the difference between his status and
    that of all categories of aliens. Citizenship as a head of
    jurisdiction and a ground of protection was old when
    Paul invoked it in his appeal to Caesar. The years have
    not destroyed nor diminished the importance of citizen-
    ship nor have they sapped the vitality of a citizen’s
    claims upon his government for protection.” Id.8
    More recently, the Supreme Court relied on this dis-
    tinction between aliens and citizens in Munaf v. Green,
    
    553 U.S. 674
    , 685-88 (2008), holding unanimously that
    U.S. citizens in U.S. military custody in Iraq were
    entitled to seek habeas corpus relief in U.S. civilian
    8
    Justice Jackson’s reference in Eisentrager to the Apostle Paul
    fits surprisingly well with today’s case. See Acts 25:11 (Paul
    invokes Roman citizen’s right to appeal to emperor); Acts 22:25-
    29 (Paul invokes his Roman citizenship as defense against
    being flogged before he was convicted of any crime); Acts 16:35-
    39 (upon being told he was free to leave prison, “Paul replied,
    ‘They have beaten us in public, uncondemned, men who are
    Roman citizens, and have thrown us into prison; and now are
    they going to discharge us in secret? Certainly not! Let them
    come and take us out themselves.’ The police reported
    these words to the magistrates, and they were afraid when
    they heard that they were Roman citizens; so they came and
    apologized to them.”).
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    courts. Munaf distinguished Hirota v. MacArthur,
    
    338 U.S. 197
     (1948), which held that aliens in
    military custody overseas could not seek habeas relief
    in civilian courts. To support its use of the difference
    between citizens and aliens, the Munaf Court cited
    Eisentrager, Rasul v. Bush, 
    542 U.S. 466
    , 486 (2004)
    (Kennedy, J., concurring in judgment), and the D.C. Cir-
    cuit’s opinions in Munaf itself. 553 U.S. at 688. (In fact,
    the government did not even try to argue in Munaf
    that U.S. citizens in military custody in Iraq could not
    have access to civilian U.S. courts. The government
    instead argued unsuccessfully that the petitioners
    were in international custody rather than U.S. custody.
    Id. at 687-88.)
    Distinguishing between citizens and aliens is not
    beyond controversy, but in these sensitive contexts in-
    volving overseas activity, it is sometimes decisive. In
    this case brought by U.S. citizens, we do not need to
    decide the different issues posed by plaintiffs who
    are alien enemy combatants. But if we follow the
    majority’s route of equal treatment, notwithstanding
    Munaf, Eisentrager, and Rasul, we should not treat these
    U.S. citizens as if they were known terrorists and enemy
    combatants who are subject to torture, “extraordinary
    rendition,” and indefinite detention. Our law’s treatment
    of U.S. citizens should not be brought down to the
    floor that we are now tolerating for the most dangerous
    foreign terrorists.
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    II. Personal Responsibility
    As explained above, the majority opinion erroneously
    grants absolute immunity to U.S. military personnel
    from civilians’ Bivens suits, not only for former
    Secretary Rumsfeld and other senior officials but also
    for lower-ranking personnel, including even those who
    were literally hands-on in torturing the plaintiffs. Under
    that reasoning, the majority need not reach the issue
    of personal responsibility for any defendant. Also, since
    the panel decision, plaintiffs have been able to learn
    the identities of the personnel directly responsible for
    torturing them. Because plaintiffs now have the infor-
    mation they would need to amend their complaint to
    add those individuals as defendants, the issue of former
    Secretary Rumsfeld’s personal responsibility has less
    practical significance now than it did in the district
    court or before our court’s panel. Nevertheless, because
    the majority also reaches the issue, and because the ques-
    tion must be addressed to affirm the district court’s
    denial of dismissal, it must be addressed here.
    I agree with the majority’s general statements of the
    law of personal responsibility under Bivens and 42 U.S.C.
    § 1983. Responsibility is personal, not vicarious. Where
    we differ is in the application of those general principles
    to plaintiffs’ second amended complaint. The majority
    offers the following examples:
    The Director of the FBI allows field agents to
    carry guns and permits them to use deadly force.
    Yet if an agent shoots a fleeing suspect in the
    back, violating the fourth amendment, see Tennes-
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    see v. Garner, 
    471 U.S. 1
     (1985), the Director is
    not liable just because the gun, issued under the
    Director’s policy, was a cause of the injury. Simi-
    larly for a police chief who establishes a K-9
    squad, if a dog bites a bystander, or who autho-
    rizes search or arrest based on probable cause, if
    the police then search or arrest without probable
    cause.
    Slip op. at 20-21. The majority is correct about those
    examples, but they miss the target of plaintiffs’ actual
    allegations. To sharpen the issue, suppose instead that a
    local police chief or even the FBI director issued a
    policy that authorized the use of deadly force against
    any fleeing suspect. The policy itself would be uncon-
    stitutional under Tennessee v. Garner. The chief or director
    who authorized that unconstitutional use of force
    could certainly be held personally responsible under
    section 1983 or Bivens to a person shot by an officer fol-
    lowing the policy.
    The allegations in this complaint are closer to
    the latter example than to the majority’s examples. The
    plaintiffs may or may not be able to prove their allega-
    tions — it now is unlikely they will ever have the chance
    to try — but they allege that the use of harsh interroga-
    tion techniques amounting to torture was the subject
    of Mr. Rumsfeld’s personal attention. Cmplt. ¶¶ 217, 244,
    252. They allege that he issued policies or orders con-
    trary to governing U.S. law but authorizing the torture
    they suffered. ¶ 244. That should be enough to with-
    stand a motion to dismiss under Rule 12(b)(6).
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    In Ashcroft v. Iqbal itself, the Attorney General and the
    Director of the FBI conceded that they would have
    been subject to personal liability for actions of their sub-
    ordinates if they “had actual knowledge of the assertedly
    discriminatory nature of the classification of suspects
    being of ‘high interest’ and that they were deliberately
    indifferent to that discrimination.” 
    556 U.S. 662
    , 690-91
    (2009) (Souter, J., dissenting). We and other circuits have
    taken that approach as well. See T.E. v. Grindle, 
    599 F.3d 583
    , 590 (7th Cir. 2010) (affirming denial of summary
    judgment for school principal who failed to investigate or
    take action in response to complaints indicating teacher
    was sexually abusing students); accord, McCreary v. Parker,
    456 Fed. Appx. 790, 793 (11th Cir. 2012) (affirming
    denial of qualified immunity where plaintiff alleged
    sheriff was deliberately indifferent to known dangers
    resulting from overcrowding policy in jail); Wagner v.
    Jones, 
    664 F.3d 259
    , 275 (8th Cir. 2011) (reversing
    summary judgment grant of qualified immunity for
    defendant law school dean where evidence indicated
    that dean was on notice that faculty’s negative hiring
    recommendation was based on plaintiff’s political
    beliefs and associations); Starr v. Baca, 
    652 F.3d 1202
    , 1216
    (9th Cir. 2011) (reversing dismissal; superior’s knowledge
    of abuse of prisoners combined with inaction allowed
    inference of deliberate indifference at the pleading
    stage); Dodds v. Richardson, 
    614 F.3d 1185
     (10th Cir. 2010)
    (affirming denial of summary judgment of a claim
    against county sheriff for adopting policy that would
    violate detainees’ rights). Iqbal’s different approach to
    pleading an individual’s discriminatory intent does not
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    address the issue of personal responsibility for an uncon-
    stitutional practice or policy asserted here. See Vance,
    653 F.3d at 599 n.5.
    The case is before us on an interlocutory appeal from
    the denial of a motion to dismiss under Rule 12(b)(6).
    The allegations against Mr. Rumsfeld satisfy the plausi-
    bility standard of Iqbal, Bell Atlantic Corp. v. Twombly,
    
    550 U.S. 544
     (2007), and Erickson v. Pardus, 
    551 U.S. 89
    (2007). And even if they did not, the plaintiffs should be
    allowed to amend their pleadings, especially in view of
    the uncertainty of federal pleading standards after Iqbal
    and the fact that the district court and panel found
    their present pleadings sufficient to state plausible
    claims. See, e.g., Bausch v. Stryker Corp., 
    630 F.3d 546
    , 562
    (7th Cir. 2010); Airborne Beepers & Video, Inc. v. AT&T
    Mobility LLC, 
    499 F.3d 663
    , 666 (7th Cir. 2007). Consider
    two possible amendments, for example. After years
    of delay, the government finally complied with the
    district court’s order to identify the individuals who
    slammed plaintiffs into walls, deprived them of sleep,
    food, water, and adequate clothing, and who subjected
    them to extreme cold, though after plaintiffs have been
    seeking the needed information in the district court for
    nearly six years, the government still has not pro-
    vided sufficient information to serve any of those indi-
    viduals with process. If this stone-walling finally ended,
    plaintiffs could amend their complaint to name at least
    some of those individuals. (Whether plaintiffs could
    invoke equitable tolling or other doctrines to overcome
    a statute of limitations defense based on a concerted
    effort to conceal identities of their torturers is a different
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    question, especially in light of plaintiffs’ diligence over
    nearly six years, and one we should not try to decide
    now.) Or suppose for purposes of argument that
    plaintiffs could even produce an order personally signed
    by Mr. Rumsfeld ordering that these two plaintiffs, in
    particular, be treated as they allege they were treated.
    Either amendment should be enough to allow plaintiffs
    to proceed, but under the majority’s erroneous view of
    military immunity from Bivens liability, both amend-
    ments would be futile.
    III. Qualified Immunity
    In Mitchell v. Forsyth, the Supreme Court rejected abso-
    lute immunity for a former cabinet member who said
    he had acted to protect national security. Qualified im-
    munity was sufficient: “ ‘Where an official could be ex-
    pected to know that his conduct would violate statu-
    tory or constitutional rights, he should be made to
    hesitate . . . .’ ” 472 U.S. at 524, quoting Harlow v. Fitzgerald,
    457 U.S. at 819 (emphasis added in Mitchell). The panel
    concluded that plaintiffs had alleged violations of clearly
    established constitutional law. Even the defendants do not
    seriously argue that prolonged deprivation of sleep,
    food, water, and adequate clothing, exposure to extreme
    cold, and hooded “walling” do not violate clearly estab-
    lished constitutional law. See Vance, 653 F.3d at 606-11. On
    rehearing, defendants have not disagreed with that
    analysis. (The argument they have labeled “qualified
    immunity” addresses only whether plaintiffs sufficiently
    alleged Mr. Rumsfeld’s personal responsibility.) The
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    majority also does not question the substantive constitu-
    tional law or qualified immunity, so there is no need
    for further discussion of those points.
    Conclusion
    Our courts have a long history of providing damages
    remedies for those whose rights are violated by our
    government, including our military. In Little v. Barreme,
    6 U.S. (2 Cranch) 170, 178-79 (1804), the Supreme Court
    held that the commander of a warship was liable to the
    owner of a neutral vessel seized pursuant to orders
    from the President but in violation of a statute. See also
    Iqbal, 556 U.S. at 676, citing Dunlop v. Munroe, 11 U.S. (7
    Cranch) 242, 268 (1812) (in case against postmaster,
    federal official’s liability “will only result from his own
    neglect in not properly superintending the discharge”
    of his subordinates’ duties); Bivens, 403 U.S. at 395-97
    (collecting cases showing that damages against govern-
    ment officials are historically the remedy for invasion
    of personal interests in liberty, and quoting Marbury v.
    Madison, 5 U.S. (1 Cranch) 137 (1803): “The very essence
    of civil liberty certainly consists in the right of every
    individual to claim the protection of the laws, whenever
    he receives an injury.”).
    The majority’s grant of absolute civil immunity to
    the U.S. military for violations of civilian citizens’ constitu-
    tional rights departs from that long heritage. We leave
    citizens legally defenseless to serious abuse or worse
    by their own government. I recognize that wrongdoers
    in the military are still subject to criminal prosecution
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    within the military itself. Relying solely on the military
    to police its own treatment of civilians fails to use the gov-
    ernment’s checks and balances that preserve Ameri-
    cans’ liberty. The legal foundations for the claims before
    us are strong and in keeping with the Supreme Court’s
    decisions and the best traditions of American liberty
    and governance. We should affirm the district court’s
    decision to allow plaintiffs to try to prove their claims
    for torture.
    ROVNER, Circuit Judge, joined by WILLIAMS and HAMILTON,
    Circuit Judges, dissenting. I join Judge Hamilton’s
    dissent and Judge Wood’s concurrence in all but Part III.
    Judge Wood in her concurrence has rightfully reminded
    us that our legal analysis should not rest on “fear that
    Bivens liability would cause Cabinet Secretaries to carry
    out their responsibilities with one eye on their wallets,
    rather than for the greater good of their department
    and the country.” Ante at 35. I agree with Judge Wood
    that such fear is disrespectful of those who serve in gov-
    ernment and dismissive of the protections that such
    liability affords against serious and intentional violations
    of the Constitution. For this same reason, we cannot allow
    fear to cause us to stray from the established federal
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    pleading standards governing resolution of a motion to
    dismiss. This case lends credence to the cliched adage
    that hard facts make bad law.
    To survive a motion to dismiss, a complaint need not
    do more than enunciate a plausible claim for relief.
    Ashcroft v. Iqbal, 
    556 U.S. 662
    , 678 (2009); Bell Atlantic Corp.
    v. Twombly, 
    550 U.S. 544
    , 556 (2007). The plausibility
    standard is not akin to a “probability requirement.”
    Twombly, 550 U.S. at 556. It does not imply that the
    district court should decide whether the claim is
    true, which version of the facts to believe, or whether
    the allegations are persuasive. See Iqbal, 556 U.S. at 679;
    Richards v. Mitcheff, No. 11-3227, 
    2012 WL 3217627
    , at *1,*2
    (7th Cir. Aug. 9, 2012); Morrison v. YTB Int’l, Inc., 
    649 F.3d 533
    , 538 (7th Cir. 2011); Swanson v. Citibank, N.A.,
    
    614 F.3d 400
    , 404 (7th Cir. 2010). Provided the complaint
    invokes a recognized legal theory (and for the reasons
    expounded upon by Judge Wood and Judge Hamilton,
    it does), and contains plausible allegations on the
    material issues, it cannot be dismissed under Rule 12.
    Richards, 
    2012 WL 3217627
    , at *2.
    Vance and Ertel have alleged Secretary Rumsfeld’s
    direct participation in their torture. Vance contends,
    for example, that Secretary Rumsfeld authorized the
    interrogation tactics utilized on the plaintiffs and that
    some of these techniques required Secretary Rumsfeld’s
    personal approval on a case-by-case basis thus inferring
    that Secretary Rumsfeld must have authorized the tor-
    turous interrogation himself. (R.116, p.44, ¶ 217). These
    claims may not be true, and if they are, the plain-
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    tiffs may have little chance of providing sufficient
    evidence to convince a trier-of-fact, but they are never-
    theless plausible and contain more than bare legal con-
    clusions. Twombly and Iqbal require no more.
    I fear future appeals of dismissals will be muddied
    by the court’s attempt to refract the Rule 12(b)(6)
    standard to protect a high level governmental official
    engaged in a war to protect the citizens and ideals of
    this country. But even in the most difficult of cases, we
    must adhere to the federal pleading requirements
    dictated by Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 12(b)(6) and
    the precedent of the United States Supreme Court.
    WILLIAMS, Circuit Judge, joined by ROVNER and HAMILTON,
    Circuit Judges, dissenting. I join Judge Hamilton’s and
    Judge Rovner’s dissenting opinions in full, as well as
    Judge Wood’s concurrence in all but Part III. I write
    separately to voice my own concerns with the majority
    decision.
    Applying Bivens to (even arguably) novel factual
    scenarios has always required a delicate balance of com-
    peting considerations. But in the effort to wall off high
    officials’ bank accounts, the majority appears to have
    erected a sweeping, unprecedented exemption from
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    Bivens for military officers. No case from our highest
    court or our sister circuits has approached such a
    sweeping conclusion. The vagueness of the majority’s
    analysis makes the actual scope of the exemption
    unclear. Does the new immunity apply only to the
    highest officials in the chain of command? To suits
    brought by security contractors in a conflict zone? As
    for the doctrine of Bivens itself, the majority’s reserva-
    tions about this constitutional bulwark are transparent.
    That should not matter. “The Supreme Court alone
    is entitled to declare one of its decisions defunct . . .
    [e]ven if later decisions wash away the earlier one’s
    foundation . . . .” United States v. Booker, 
    375 F.3d 508
    , 516
    (7th Cir. 2004) (Easterbrook, J., dissenting) (citing State
    Oil Co. v. Khan, 
    522 U.S. 3
    , 20 (1997) and Rodriguez de
    Quijas v. Shearson/American Express, Inc., 
    490 U.S. 477
    , 484
    (1989)). Whatever the status of Bivens, this decision
    sweeps too broadly and vaguely, and so I must dissent.
    I.
    The majority states that “[w]hat plaintiffs want is an
    award of damages premised on a view that the military
    command structure should be different—that, for
    example, the Secretary of Defense must do more (or
    do something different) to control misconduct by inter-
    rogators and other personnel on the scene in foreign
    nations.” Slip op. at 12. The characterization mis-
    represents the nature of this suit. The plaintiffs are not
    asking the courts to give Rumsfeld a poor performance
    evaluation as Secretary of Defense. They are suing him
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    for personally and intentionally violating their funda-
    mental rights as American citizens. Nor does the
    complaint seek to alter the “military command structure.”
    No count requests an injunction or declaratory judg-
    ment regarding military discipline, the chain of com-
    mand, or the policies employed by Rumsfeld or his sub-
    ordinates. Cf. Lebron v. Rumsfeld, 
    670 F.3d 540
    , 546 (4th
    Cir. 2012) (plaintiff principally sought to enjoin his desig-
    nation as an enemy combatant, requesting nominal dam-
    ages from defendants).
    What plaintiffs assert is: (1) they were tortured in
    violation of the Constitution and laws of the United States;
    (2) Rumsfeld is personally liable because he authorized
    their torture and made case-specific determinations
    about who would receive “enhanced” treatment after it
    was made clear that his detention policies were illegal;
    and (3) plaintiffs should receive monetary damages for
    the abuse they endured in military custody. Vance and
    Ertel do not want to remake military policy through
    the judiciary. Frankly, there is little need to do so
    because Congress has already directly addressed and
    outlawed the detention practices inflicted on these plain-
    tiffs. Instead, the allegation before us is willful, directed
    non-compliance with the law. The majority may believe
    that Rumsfeld’s actions were merely negligent and
    that may be true. But that is not the allegation.
    Having misinterpreted the complaint, the majority
    next misreads the Supreme Court’s opinions in Chappell v.
    Wallace, 
    462 U.S. 296
     (1983), and United States v. Stanley,
    
    483 U.S. 669
     (1987). It is suggested that in these decisions,
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    “[t]he Supreme Court’s principal point was that civilian
    courts should not interfere with the military chain of
    command . . . [because] military efficiency depends on
    a particular command structure, which civilian judges
    easily could mess up without appreciating what they
    were doing.” Slip op. at 11. Judge Hamilton comprehen-
    sively explains why the majority has incorrectly applied
    the precedent. I would only add that Stanley explicitly
    addressed the scope of the decision, as well as the
    potential “levels of generality at which one may apply
    ‘special factors’ analysis”:
    Most narrowly, one might require reason to
    believe that in the particular case the disciplinary
    structure of the military would be affected—thus
    not even excluding all officer-subordinate suits,
    but allowing, for example, suits for officer con-
    duct so egregious that no responsible officer
    would feel exposed to suit in the performance
    of his duties. Somewhat more broadly, one might
    disallow Bivens actions whenever an officer-sub-
    ordinate relationship underlies the suit. More
    broadly still, one might disallow them in the
    officer-subordinate situation and also beyond
    that situation when it affirmatively appears
    that military discipline would be affected. (This
    seems to be the position urged by Stanley.)
    Fourth, as we think appropriate, one might
    disallow Bivens actions whenever the injury
    arises out of activity “incident to service.” And
    finally, one might conceivably disallow them by
    servicemen entirely.
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    483 U.S. at 681 (emphasis added). Here, Stanley describes
    its principal point unambiguously: Members of the
    military cannot invoke Bivens for injuries arising out of
    “activity incident to service.” Indeed, the Court reserved
    the possibility of Bivens suits by servicemen against
    military officials in other contexts. Despite Stanley’s
    clarity, the majority contends that the Supreme Court
    actually meant to bar any suit, even by civilians, that
    “interfere[s] with the military chain of command.”
    I cannot tell what this purported standard means. But
    it goes well beyond what the Supreme Court has
    expressly identified as a bridge too far. Can there be
    a clearer indication of error?
    At heart, in Chappell and Stanley, the Supreme Court
    did not want to permit service members to litigate what
    are effectively employment disputes against superiors
    through the federal courts rather than through the mili-
    tary’s internal channels. See Chappell, 462 U.S. at 303-05
    (barring race discrimination claim). That rationale does
    not apply here.1 Cf. id. at 300 (“Civilian courts must . . .
    1
    The majority entertains the idea that the plaintiffs, as security
    contractors, might be considered equivalent to soldiers
    anyway when evaluating the availability of a Bivens action. But
    this is a distraction. The individuals in United States v. Brehm,
    
    691 F.3d 547
     (4th Cir. 2012) and United States v. Ali, 2012 CAAF
    LEXIS 815 (C.A.A.F. July 18, 2012) were effectively employees
    of the United States military, subcontracted through American
    companies. Notably, this was the same scenario in Doe v.
    Rumsfeld, 
    683 F.3d 390
    , 392 (D.C. Cir. 2012), where the court
    (continued...)
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    hesitate long before entertaining a suit which asks the
    court to tamper with the established relationship between
    enlisted military personnel and their superior officers; that
    relationship is at the heart of the necessarily unique struc-
    ture of the military establishment.” (emphasis added)).
    This court’s decision leaves unexplained how or why
    a suit by an American civilian, with no connection to
    the chain of command, would interfere with military
    discipline in the manner anticipated by Chappell and
    Stanley.2
    (...continued)
    treated a defense contractor employee as equivalent to a
    serviceman because he was working for the United States
    military. This case is different. When Vance and Ertel were
    detained and tortured, they worked for Shield Group Security,
    an Iraqi corporation which provided security contracts to
    the government of Iraq and private companies. The plaintiffs
    do not appear to have had a connection to the United States
    government beyond being American citizens. At very least, a
    reading of the complaint in the light favorable to plaintiffs
    cannot support an employment relationship with the United
    States military. The majority further suggests that security
    contractors are inherently similar to soldiers. Perhaps this is
    true in the sense that a mall guard is like a homicide detective.
    But Vance and Ertel’s job descriptions have no bearing on
    the availability of Bivens in this case.
    2
    As Judge Hamilton notes, the majority altogether ignores the
    Supreme Court’s contradictory analysis in Saucier v. Katz, 
    533 U.S. 194
     (2001), which treated a civilian’s excessive force suit
    against a military officer as permissible (though barred in
    (continued...)
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    Even if judicial participation might interfere in
    some other way, there is a further irony underlying the
    majority’s approach. The opinion recognizes that injunc-
    tive relief against illegal military conduct is already
    available under established doctrine. See slip op. at 17
    (“Injunctions that enforce the Detainee Treatment Act
    prospectively may be possible under the doctrine of
    Ex parte Young, 
    209 U.S. 123
     (1908), or the waiver of sover-
    eign immunity in 5 U.S.C. §702.”). This point was
    also raised at oral argument where the parties agreed
    that the judiciary retains the power to enjoin an uncon-
    stitutional practice or unlawful deprivation of rights.
    Do such suits “interfere” with the military command
    structure or the chain of command? They certainly
    would seem to. So, to the extent that the majority fears
    judicial scrutiny of military policy, that state of affairs
    is already upon us and is sanctioned by this decision itself.
    The Supreme Court requires us to exercise judicial
    review in various circumstances impacting national
    security. See, e.g., Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, 
    542 U.S. 507
    , 536
    (2004) (“[A] state of war is not a blank check for the
    President when it comes to the rights of the Nation’s
    citizens. . . . Whatever power the United States Constitu-
    tion envisions for the Executive in its exchanges
    (...continued)
    that case by qualified immunity). Saucier was decided well
    after Stanley and Chappell. If the Supreme Court had been
    concerned all along with the threat posed by civilian suits to
    the chain of command, why didn’t it say so?
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    with other nations or with enemy organizations in times
    of conflict, it most assuredly envisions a role for all
    three branches when individual liberties are at
    stake.”); Mitchell v. Forsyth, 
    472 U.S. 511
    , 523 (1985)
    (“[D]espite our recognition of the importance of [the
    Attorney General’s activities in the name of national
    security] to the safety of our Nation and its democratic
    system of government, we cannot accept the notion that
    restraints are completely unnecessary.”); Baker v. Carr,
    
    369 U.S. 186
    , 211 (1962) (“[I]t is error to suppose
    that every case or controversy which touches foreign
    relations lies beyond judicial cognizance.”); Home Bldg.
    & Loan Ass’n v. Blaisdell, 
    290 U.S. 398
    , 426 (1934)
    (“[E]ven the war power does not remove constitutional
    limitations safeguarding essential liberties.”). Executive
    power to protect national security or conduct foreign
    affairs does not deprive the judiciary of its authority
    to check abuses that violate individual rights. Judicial
    review may be deferential to the interests of national
    security, Winter v. Nat. Res. Def. Council, 
    555 U.S. 7
    ,
    24, 26 (2008), but it remains necessary. Habeas corpus
    review certainly interferes with the military’s assess-
    ment of national security priorities. No matter. Our
    constitutional system requires the judiciary’s participa-
    tion. Boumediene v. Bush, 
    553 U.S. 723
    , 765 (2008) (“[T]he
    political branches [do not] have the power to switch
    the Constitution on or off at will . . . .”).
    I do not mean that actions for money damages
    must be treated identically to actions for prospective
    relief. The remedies are distinct. But this puts into
    sharp perspective the majority’s implication that there is
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    a categorical ban on “judicial intrusion into military
    affairs.” The judiciary is already intertwined in the con-
    stitutional review of military determinations. It is incon-
    sistent to consider federal courts competent on the one
    hand to balance policy concerns associated with injunc-
    tive relief (as the majority must concede), while treating
    these courts as unqualified to address actual injury to
    citizens caused by official abuse. Traditionally, damages
    actions have been viewed as less intrusive than in-
    junctive relief because they do not require the court to
    engage in operational decision-making. Compare Gilligan
    v. Morgan, 
    413 U.S. 1
    , 11 (1973) (rejecting a suit seeking
    judicial supervision of the operation and training of
    the Ohio National Guard in the wake of the Kent State
    shootings) with id. at 5 (suggesting that a damages
    action against the National Guard could be justiciable)
    and Scheuer v. Rhodes, 
    416 U.S. 232
    , 247-49 (1974) (permit-
    ting such a suit). True, courts make mistakes, but this
    has little to do with the propriety of Bivens. Every gov-
    ernment institution errs, including the military. The
    point of judicial participation is not infallibility but inde-
    pendence and neutrality, something executive entities
    do not have when evaluating their own officers’ conduct.
    For these reasons, I cannot accept the majority’s
    rationale for rejecting Bivens in this context. The majority
    pins much of its reasoning on the Lebron decision but
    does not mention any of the relevant details. The Lebron
    suit was brought on behalf of Jose Padilla, an
    individual designated as an enemy combatant by the
    President and later convicted of criminal terrorism
    charges. Padilla’s proposed Bivens action sought a
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    judicial declaration that his designation as an enemy
    combatant and resulting detention were unconstitutional.
    The Lebron court rejected the claim on separation-of-
    powers grounds reasoning that in identifying terrorists,
    the President acted with express congressional ap-
    proval under the Authorization for Use of Military Force,
    Pub. L. No. 107-40, 115 Stat. 224 (2001).
    Whatever the merits of Lebron, it is disingenuous
    to suggest that the same analysis applies in this case.
    The majority endeavors to stretch a blanket of immunity
    over the entire “military chain of command” in an effort
    to cover the very different facts presented here. Vance
    and Ertel do not challenge their status and detention
    as enemy combatants; they could not do so because
    they never received such a designation. And far from
    authorizing their treatment, Congress and the President
    acted twice to outlaw it through the National Defense
    Authorization Act and the Detainee Treatment Act
    (“DTA”). 10 U.S.C. §801 note. The complaint charges
    the defendant with intentionally acting in derogation
    of the newly enacted laws to retain and administer
    illegal interrogation practices, approving them on an
    individualized basis. These allegations may not be
    true. But if they are true, I cannot agree that the separa-
    tion of powers bars a citizen’s recovery from a rogue
    officer affirmatively acting to subvert the law. That is a
    quintessential scenario where Bivens should function
    to enforce individual rights.
    Every member of this court recognizes that the job of
    the military is challenging, dangerous, and critical to
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    our national security. For these reasons and more, mem-
    bers of the armed forces enjoy unparalleled respect in
    our society. But this respect does not put the military’s
    highest officers beyond the reach of the Constitution
    or adjudication by Article III courts. We would abdicate
    our duty if we permit Bivens to become a mirage. If it is
    an illusion, it is a dangerous one because it has tricked
    not only plaintiffs, but the other branches of our gov-
    ernment into relying upon it. Congress created in the
    DTA a limited, good-faith defense against Bivens meant
    to be available in situations precisely like this one. And
    the State Department pointed to Bivens suits as evidence
    that we take seriously our commitments to preventing
    torture. The majority suggests that the other branches
    of government were only leaping at shadows. But we
    have an independent obligation to individual citizens
    and to the Constitution to apply the precedent even
    in difficult cases. Otherwise we risk creating a doctrine
    of constitutional triviality where private actions are
    permitted only if they cannot possibly offend anyone
    anywhere. That approach undermines our essential
    constitutional protections in the circumstances when
    they are often most necessary. It is no basis for a rule
    of law.
    II.
    Whether the plaintiffs have adequately pled Rumsfeld’s
    personal liability for violations of clearly established
    law is also a delicate question. Arguably qualified im-
    munity should shoulder more of the burden of the major-
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    ity’s demonstrable hesitation to hold high government
    officials accountable for constitutional violations. Cf.
    Padilla v. Yoo, 
    678 F.3d 748
    , 768 (9th Cir. 2012) (disposing
    of suit on qualified immunity grounds rather than af-
    fording total immunity to Bivens). Nevertheless, I agree
    with my dissenting colleagues that the plaintiffs’
    complaint should survive. This complaint is unusually
    detailed and alleges Rumsfeld’s personal participation
    in interrogation determinations, something the majority
    ignores. It is plausible (if not necessarily probable) to infer
    from Rumsfeld’s direct involvement in developing in-
    terrogation practices at Camp Cropper and his case-
    specific approval of techniques used on detainees that
    he personally authorized the plaintiffs’ abuse or
    remained intentionally indifferent to it. These allegations
    go well beyond those deemed insufficient in Ashcroft
    v. Iqbal, 
    556 U.S. 662
     (2009), and present more than a
    mere possibility of liability. Therefore, I would permit
    the suit to continue to at least limited discovery. See,
    e.g., Crawford-El v. Britton, 
    523 U.S. 574
    , 593 n.14 (1998).
    I respectfully dissent.
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