Laderian McGhee v. Michael Dittmann ( 2015 )


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  •                               In the
    United States Court of Appeals
    For the Seventh Circuit
    ____________________
    No. 14-1763
    LADERIAN MCGHEE,
    Petitioner-Appellant,
    v.
    MICHAEL A. DITTMANN,
    Respondent-Appellee.
    ____________________
    Appeal from the United States District Court for the
    Eastern District of Wisconsin.
    No. 2:12-cv-00320-NJ — Nancy Joseph, Magistrate Judge.
    ____________________
    ARGUED MAY 28, 2015 — DECIDED JULY 22, 2015
    ____________________
    Before BAUER, EASTERBROOK, and RIPPLE, Circuit Judges.
    RIPPLE, Circuit Judge. Laderian McGhee filed a petition for
    a writ of habeas corpus in the United States District Court
    for the Eastern District of Wisconsin, challenging his 2004
    convictions in Wisconsin state court. In the petition, he as-
    serted, among other claims, that the state court had deprived
    him of his Sixth Amendment right to self-representation un-
    der Faretta v. California, 
    422 U.S. 806
    (1975). The district court
    denied the petition. We granted a certificate of appealability
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    limited to his self-representation claim. For the reasons set
    forth in this opinion, we affirm the judgment of the district
    court.
    I
    BACKGROUND
    A.
    In the early morning hours of April 9, 2004, two women
    were mugged on the street in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and
    their purses taken. A vehicle was also taken from the street
    and driven to another location. Police arrested Mr. McGhee
    in connection with the offenses.
    Mr. McGhee was later charged in the Milwaukee County
    Circuit Court with armed robbery, theft of movable property
    from a person, and operating a vehicle without the owner’s
    consent. The public defender’s office appointed attorney
    Richard E. Thomey II as his counsel.
    Mr. McGhee was tried by a jury in August 2004. On the
    first day of trial, defense counsel notified the court that
    Mr. McGhee wished to raise an alibi defense and requested
    that he be allowed to call two unlisted witnesses. Counsel
    acknowledged that he had not provided proper notice of this
    defense, but explained that Mr. McGhee had not mentioned
    it to him until two days before trial. Defense counsel also
    moved to withdraw as Mr. McGhee’s attorney. He submit-
    ted that withdrawal was warranted because (1) Mr. McGhee
    wished to discharge him; and (2) based on his knowledge of
    the case, he believed that putting on Mr. McGhee’s alibi de-
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    fense raised “certain ethical problems.” 1 After hearing ar-
    guments from both sides, the court denied the motions.
    Following the court’s rulings, Mr. McGhee asked to
    speak, at which point the following exchange occurred:
    THE DEFENDANT: Okay. Well, first of all,
    the man never—my attorney never asked me
    about no alibi. So how can I address him with
    my alibi if I never even seen him? I called his
    office several times. He doesn’t return my
    phone calls to come see me. How can I tell him
    I have a alibi if I can’t get in touch with him?
    I’m in the prison. I’m incarcerated. He’s my at-
    torney. He supposed to come see me. He
    doesn’t come see me.
    Second of all, for him to sit up here and say
    something about my witnesses as far as perjury
    or anything of that nature, that’s a bunch of BS
    also. I don’t know where that came from.
    And for you to sit up and try to tell me this
    man going to be my attorney ‘cause of the 15
    day thing, the man didn’t tell me nothing
    about that. I’m withdrawing him as my attor-
    ney. That’s the bottom line of that.
    THE COURT: All right. You wanted me to
    discharge him. Do you understand today we’re
    going to trial today?
    1   R.20 at 16.
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    THE DEFENDANT: We—I ain’t going to
    no trial today.
    THE COURT: We’re going to trial.
    THE DEFENDANT: You might be going to
    trial. I ain’t.
    THE COURT: All right. Now I’ll explain to
    you that if you—
    THE DEFENDANT: You ain’t explain shit
    to me ‘cause I ain’t going to no motherfucking
    trial, period.
    THE COURT: If you decide to be disrup-
    tive—
    THE DEFENDANT: Fuck the trial. I ain’t
    going to no motherfucking trial. What part of
    that don’t you understand?
    MR. THOMEY: For my part, I know you
    denied this motion already, but I’m asking the
    Court to reconsider.
    THE DEFENDANT: You going to make me
    go to trial with a motherfucker that got me
    guilty before I even get in this motherfucker.
    MR. THOMEY: I think it’d be difficult for
    he and I to cooperate in conducting his defense
    in light of his recent statements.
    THE COURT: All right. Mr. McGhee, I’m
    going to give you an opportunity to calm
    down. I’m going to give you an opportunity to
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    remain in the courtroom. However, if you’re
    going to—
    THE DEFENDANT: The man ain’t got my
    best interest at heart. You sitting here trying to
    make me go to trial with a man who already
    got me convicted before the damn jury even
    get in. What fucking part of that don’t you un-
    derstand?
    THE COURT: All right. You can remove
    the defendant from the courtroom at this point.
    Just before the jury comes back, I’ll give him an
    opportunity to return to the courtroom.
    THE DEFENDANT: I’m not returning to
    this motherfucker. Evidently you don’t under-
    stand. This man got me guilty before I even
    fucking get in the motherfucking courtroom.
    Shit. What part this jackass doesn’t under-
    stand?[ 2]
    The court later allowed Mr. McGhee to return to the
    courtroom. Despite the court’s warnings, however,
    Mr. McGhee did not stay silent for long. Shortly after the
    start of voir dire, defense counsel, while introducing himself,
    told prospective jurors that Mr. McGhee would be the only
    defense witness. Mr. McGhee immediately objected to this
    remark, stating, “Wait a minute. Wait a minute. What hap-
    pened to my witnesses?” 3 It appears from the transcript that
    2   
    Id. at 19–22.
    3   
    Id. at 32.
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    the court initially tried to ignore Mr. McGhee’s interjection.
    Mr. McGhee, however, continued to press the issue, at which
    point the following colloquy took place:
    THE DEFENDANT: Your Honor, I want to
    know how come my witnesses can’t come? My
    attorney apparently doesn’t—
    THE COURT: Mr. McGhee, you get an op-
    portunity to speak through your lawyer.
    THE DEFENDANT: I want to—
    THE COURT: We discussed this.
    THE DEFENDANT: First of all, my wit-
    nesses can’t come, you won’t let me fire my at-
    torney. My attorney done tried to withdraw his
    self from the case, and you steady trying to
    make me go through with this case.
    THE COURT: All right. Mr. McGhee, we’ve
    gone through this before. You have an oppor-
    tunity—
    THE DEFENDANT: But you—Evidently
    you not understanding. If the man don’t want
    to represent me, the man got me as guilty al-
    ready, why would I sit up here, go to trial in
    front of all these people? The man sat here and
    told you out his own mouth that he is not try-
    ing to defend me. That doesn’t make any sense.
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    THE COURT: Mr. McGhee, this is not an
    opportunity—
    THE DEFENDANT: It ain’t—
    THE COURT: This isn’t an opportunity for
    you to argue with me.
    THE DEFENDANT: Finna sit up here and
    railroad me. I’m not finna sit up here like no
    idiot. Let the man sit here. He done told you he
    is not trying to defend. The man ain’t even
    called none of my witnesses. Want me to sit up
    here go against four people against me. I can’t
    call none of my witnesses in front of all these
    people. What you think, I’m fucking stupid?
    THE COURT: Mr. McGhee, if you’re going
    to continue like this, you’ve been warned.
    THE DEFENDANT: Fuck warned. I’m tell-
    ing you if I can’t have my witnesses, fuck this
    trial too. Simple as this. I’m not finna—Nobody
    in this damn trial sit up here with no lawyer
    that sat there and told you he not going to de-
    fend you.
    THE COURT: Mr. McGhee.
    THE DEFENDANT: Nobody in this jury sit
    up here and let the man—
    THE COURT: Ladies and gentlemen, at
    this point we’re going to take a recess.
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    Excuse the jury.
    (Jury excused.)
    THE DEFENDANT: He said all this, and
    this judge won’t do shit about it. Fucking right,
    and remember that shit too. The motherfucker
    said he wasn’t defending me. This man still go-
    ing to make me go to court with this mother-
    fucker. They won’t let me have my mother-
    fucking witnesses but want me to go to court.
    Why the fuck would I go to court with a moth-
    erfucker that got me sent to prison already? I
    don’t need a motherfucking microphone. Re-
    member that shit. All niggers ain’t stupid. I
    ain’t finna sit up here and let your ass railroad
    me or you either. Sit in this motherfucking
    courtroom like I’m a fucking dummy. Sit up
    here and accept this shit.
    THE COURT: All right. Mr. McGhee, are
    you going to remain silent while we’re pro-
    ceeding today—
    THE DEFENDANT: Man—
    THE COURT: —or are you going to have
    continued outbursts in the manner you are?
    THE DEFENDANT: Man, whatever.
    THE COURT: I’m going to give you a
    chance, Mr. McGhee, to be quiet and sit there
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    during the course of this trial, selection of the
    jury.
    THE DEFENDANT: You expect me to sit
    here and not say nothing in my own defense?
    You expect me—This man ain’t speak up for
    me. Somebody got to speak up for me. If I
    don’t do it, who going to do it?
    THE COURT: Mr. McGhee, if you’re not
    going to be quiet while we select the jury—
    THE DEFENDANT: Go ahead, select them.
    THE COURT: Are you going to remain
    quiet?
    THE DEFENDANT: Go ahead, select them.
    THE COURT: If you have another outburst
    like that, I’m going to remove you from the
    courtroom. Do you understand that?
    THE DEFENDANT: I be removed from
    this motherfucker sooner or later anyhow.
    Come on.
    THE COURT: Are you going to be quiet?
    THE DEFENDANT: I’ll let you all select
    them. I done say what I had to say.
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    THE COURT: All right.[ 4]
    Following this exchange, the court took a short recess,
    during which time Mr. McGhee was equipped with a stun
    belt to prevent further disruptions. Upon reconvening, de-
    fense counsel renewed his motion to withdraw, stating, “I
    think the only way that [Mr. McGhee] can really get a fair
    trial now is with a new attorney whom he has confidence in
    and who, from the outset, can explore this alibi defense that
    he has.” 5 The court denied the motion.
    Before bringing the jury back in, the court gave
    Mr. McGhee the option of being handcuffed to his chair ra-
    ther than wearing the stun belt:
    THE COURT: …Instead of the stun belt
    and the wheelchair and shackle, we will hand-
    cuff you and those handcuffs can then be hid-
    den underneath the table if you sit quietly and
    you sit up close to the table. And there’s a skirt
    around the table, and the jury won’t see any of
    that.
    THE DEFENDANT: I don’t care if the jury
    see it or not, Your Honor. Don’t make no sense.
    I mean, don’t make no difference whether they
    see it or not ‘cause I’m not being represented
    like I supposed to. And I demand and the man
    asked to withdraw from the case to you three,
    four times. What attorney do you know does
    4   
    Id. at 34–37.
    5   
    Id. at 44.
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    that? And I don’t know, for some reason you
    just got it in your head that you just going to
    make me keep him as an attorney, make him—
    I don’t know. I don’t know. Maybe it’s some-
    thing, but I don’t know.[ 6]
    The court eventually decided to leave Mr. McGhee in the
    stun belt, but to seat him in a regular chair with a belly
    chain.
    After ensuring that Mr. McGhee’s chains were not visible
    to the jury, the court gave Mr. McGhee a final warning about
    being disruptive, triggering the following exchange:
    THE COURT:…Mr. McGhee, again I’m just
    going to warn you, if you become disruptive
    and you shout out once again, we’ll have to
    remove the jury and remove you from the
    courtroom and complete the—
    THE DEFENDANT: Okay. Well, just give
    me a chance to speak like everybody else.
    That’s all I ask. If I can speak, we’ll have no
    problems.
    THE COURT: Sir, you’re going to speak
    through your lawyer.
    THE DEFENDANT: I can’t speak to my
    lawyer as you already know. I don’t know why
    you keep saying that. We wouldn’t have this
    problem—
    6   
    Id. at 46–47.
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    MR. THOMEY: Do you mean you want to
    speak throughout the trial or speak when it’s
    your turn to be a witness?
    THE DEFENDANT: I mean speak when
    they saying something. You going to speak up
    for it. I’m going to speak up for myself if
    somebody got to say it. Judge ain’t going to say
    it for me.
    MR. THOMEY: I can’t tolerate putting on
    that kind of defense. I’m going to have a sec-
    ond chair.
    THE COURT: I’m not going to allow it. If
    he engages in that, I’m going to remove him
    from the courtroom.
    THE DEFENDANT: You’re telling me I
    can’t tell my attorney to speak up for me?
    THE COURT: You can talk to your lawyer
    quietly and not shout it out for everybody to
    hear in the courtroom.
    THE DEFENDANT: Ain’t talking about
    shout it out.
    THE COURT: During the course of the tri-
    al, you’ll have opportunities to speak with
    your lawyer. If you become disruptive, you in-
    terrupt the questioning of the jury, you inter-
    rupt the questioning of any witnesses, we’ll
    remove you from the courtroom.
    THE DEFENDANT: If he don’t—You
    know what, go ahead with the trial.
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    THE COURT: All right. Let’s bring the jury
    back out.[ 7]
    In the proceedings that followed, Mr. McGhee did not again
    speak out of turn in front of the jury.
    The jury found Mr. McGhee guilty on all counts. The
    court sentenced him to seventeen years’ imprisonment fol-
    lowed by ten years of extended supervision.
    B.
    On direct appeal, the Court of Appeals of Wisconsin af-
    firmed Mr. McGhee’s conviction. Mr. McGhee then filed a
    petition for review in the Supreme Court of Wisconsin; the
    court denied his petition as untimely.
    In response, Mr. McGhee returned to the court of ap-
    peals, where he filed a motion seeking to reinstate his right
    to a direct appeal, claiming that his trial and appellate coun-
    sel had been ineffective. The court of appeals denied his mo-
    tion, reasoning that Mr. McGhee could pursue his ineffective
    assistance claim in collateral proceedings under State v.
    Knight, 
    484 N.W.2d 540
    (Wis. 1992). Knight sets out the ap-
    propriate procedure for pursuing an ineffective assistance of
    appellate counsel claim in Wisconsin courts. In particular,
    Knight requires that such a claim be pursued via a habeas
    petition filed in the court that considered the direct appeal.
    “Such proceedings have come to be known in Wisconsin as
    ‘Knight petitions.’” McGee v. Bartow, 
    593 F.3d 556
    , 561 n.2
    (7th Cir. 2010).
    7   
    Id. at 53–55.
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    C.
    In November 2007, Mr. McGhee filed a petition for post-
    conviction relief in the Milwaukee County Circuit Court. In
    the petition, he asserted, among other claims, that the trial
    court had erred by not allowing his “request for substitution
    of counsel.” 8
    The court denied the petition. With respect to the substi-
    tution issue, the court concluded that “[t]he defendant’s fail-
    ure to pursue this issue on [direct] appeal preclude[d] him
    from raising [the] issue in the circuit court” on collateral re-
    view. 9 As for whether his counsel had been “ineffective for
    failing to pursue this issue on appeal,” the court concluded
    that that claim was one which would have to “be addressed
    to the appellate court under Knight.” 10
    Mr. McGhee did not pursue his substitution-of-counsel
    argument on appeal. The court of appeals affirmed the cir-
    cuit court’s denial of his other claims, and the Supreme
    Court of Wisconsin denied discretionary review.
    In October 2009, Mr. McGhee filed a federal habeas peti-
    tion in the district court, alleging, among other claims, that
    the state trial court had “erred in denying [his request for]
    substitution of trial counsel.” 11 In July 2010, he filed a letter
    8   R.17 at 53–55.
    9   
    Id. at 70.
    10   
    Id. 11 R.1
    at 16.
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    seeking to withdraw voluntarily his petition in order to pur-
    sue reinstatement of his direct appeal rights. The district
    court granted the motion.
    Returning to the state supreme court, Mr. McGhee filed a
    petition for a writ of habeas corpus seeking to have his ap-
    pellate rights reinstated. The court granted the writ, reinstat-
    ed and deemed timely filed the petition for review in his di-
    rect appeal, and denied the petition.
    Mr. McGhee then filed a petition for a writ of habeas cor-
    pus in the state court of appeals under Knight. He asserted
    that his appellate counsel had been ineffective by failing to
    appeal the trial court’s denial of his “request to dispense
    with his court appointed attorney and represent himself.” 12
    The court of appeals denied the petition. It concluded that
    Mr. McGhee never had “clearly and unequivocally de-
    clare[d] [a] desire to represent himself” and thus that his
    “appellate counsel [could not] be faulted for not arguing
    [the] issue.” 13 The Supreme Court of Wisconsin denied re-
    view.
    D.
    In April 2012, Mr. McGhee filed a pro se petition for a
    writ of habeas corpus in the district court. In his petition, he
    asserted, among other claims, that the state trial court had
    12   R.19 at 127.
    13   
    Id. at 212.
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    violated his “right to discharge counsel and ‘SPEAK FOR
    HIMSELF’ (by appearing pro se).” 14
    In its answer, the State contended that Mr. McGhee had
    not exhausted his self-representation claim. Specifically, it
    submitted that he had failed to raise the claim on direct ap-
    peal and that, when he later did so during his state habeas
    proceedings, it was within the context of an ineffective-
    assistance claim. The State also defended Mr. McGhee’s con-
    viction on the merits, contending (1) that he never clearly
    and unequivocally asserted his right to self-representation,
    and (2) that he forfeited his right to self-representation based
    on his disruptive conduct.
    The district court denied Mr. McGhee’s petition. With re-
    spect to his self-representation claim, the court determined
    that the state court of appeals’s ruling on his Knight petition
    was sufficient to satisfy the exhaustion requirement for fed-
    eral habeas review. Turning to the merits, the court conclud-
    ed that Mr. McGhee’s request to proceed pro se was ambig-
    uous and thus that the state court had not erred in denying
    his Faretta claim. The court declined to issue a certificate of
    appealability.
    Mr. McGhee timely appealed and sought a certificate of
    appealability from this court with respect to his Faretta claim
    only. We granted the certificate. 15
    14   R.1 at 11.
    15The district court had jurisdiction over Mr. McGhee’s petition under
    28 U.S.C. § 2254(a). Our jurisdiction is secure under 28 U.S.C. §§ 1291
    and 2253(a).
    No. 14-1763                                                                 17
    II
    DISCUSSION
    On appeal, Mr. McGhee contends that his 2004 convic-
    tions were obtained in violation of his Sixth Amendment
    right to self-representation and that the state court’s deter-
    mination that he had not clearly and unequivocally invoked
    that right was objectively unreasonable. 16 We review the dis-
    16 On appeal, the State does not contend, as it did before the district
    court, that Mr. McGhee procedurally defaulted on his self-representation
    claim by failing to assert it on direct appeal. Compare Lewis v. Sternes, 
    390 F.3d 1019
    , 1026 (7th Cir. 2004) (concluding that an ineffective assistance
    claim was insufficient to exhaust “the underlying issue that the attorney
    in question neglected to raise”), with McGhee v. Bartow, 
    593 F.3d 556
    , 567
    n.9 (7th Cir. 2010) (“[W]e have recognized that in some circumstances,
    where ineffective assistance claims are presented as a means to reach the
    embedded claims and those claims are the real substance of a petitioner’s
    challenge, we will consider them fairly presented.” (internal quotation
    marks omitted)). Indeed, when the issue was raised at oral argument,
    counsel for the State openly acknowledged that it was “not arguing pro-
    cedural default,” explaining (in an apparent about-face) that
    Mr. McGhee’s Knight petition was sufficient to preserve his Faretta claim
    for federal habeas review. Oral Argument at 9:41. Because the State has
    declined to pursue this issue on appeal, we need not address it here. The
    procedural default doctrine “is an affirmative defense that the State is
    obligated to raise and preserve, and consequently one that it can waive.”
    Eichwedel v. Chandler, 
    696 F.3d 660
    , 669 (7th Cir. 2012) (internal quotation
    marks omitted). Here, because the State concedes that it is “not arguing
    procedural default,” we consider the issue waived. See 
    id. at 670
    (con-
    cluding that the State had waived a procedural default defense by delib-
    erately choosing not to assert it); see also United States v. Webster, 
    775 F.3d 897
    , 904 (7th Cir. 2015) (noting that arguments not raised in a party’s
    opening brief are waived).
    18                                                   No. 14-1763
    trict court’s denial of Mr. McGhee’s habeas petition de novo.
    Smith v. Brown, 
    764 F.3d 790
    , 795 (7th Cir. 2014).
    Under the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act
    (“AEDPA”), a federal court may grant habeas relief to a peti-
    tioner whose claim has been “adjudicated on the merits in
    State court,” only if the state court’s adjudication of that
    claim (1) “was contrary to, or involved an unreasonable ap-
    plication of, clearly established Federal law, as determined
    by the Supreme Court of the United States,” or (2) “was
    based on an unreasonable determination of the facts in light
    of the evidence presented.” 28 U.S.C. § 2254(d). “‘Unreason-
    able’ in [the AEDPA] context means more than just incorrect;
    it means something…lying well outside the boundaries of
    permissible differences of opinion.” Corcoran v. Neal, 
    783 F.3d 676
    , 683 (7th Cir. 2015) (internal quotation marks omit-
    ted). “The relevant decision for purposes of our assessment
    under AEDPA is the decision of the last state court to rule on
    the merits of the petitioner’s claim,” Eichwedel v. Chandler,
    
    696 F.3d 660
    , 671 (7th Cir. 2012) (internal quotation marks
    omitted)—in this case, the decision of the Court of Appeals
    of Wisconsin denying post-conviction relief.
    The Supreme Court’s decision in Faretta v. California, 
    422 U.S. 806
    (1975), establishes the substantive law governing
    our analysis of Mr. McGhee’s claim. In Faretta, the Court
    held that criminal defendants have a Sixth Amendment right
    to self-representation, see 
    id. at 819,
    and that, to exercise that
    right, a defendant must “knowingly and intelligently” waive
    his right to counsel, see 
    id. at 835.
    The Court further conclud-
    ed that, under the facts of the case, the defendant’s right to
    self-representation had been violated. See 
    id. at 835–36.
    In
    reaching this conclusion, the Court emphasized, among oth-
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    er facts, that the defendant had “clearly and unequivocally
    declared to the trial judge that he wanted to represent him-
    self and did not want counsel.” 
    Id. at 835.
    On the basis of this
    language, many courts, including the Court of Appeals of
    Wisconsin, have interpreted Faretta as requiring that a de-
    fendant “clearly and unequivocally” articulate a desire to
    represent himself in order to invoke his Faretta rights. 17
    Here, Mr. McGhee does not contest this widely held view
    of Faretta. Rather, he contends that he is entitled to habeas
    relief because the state court’s determination that he had not
    clearly and unequivocally invoked his Faretta rights was ob-
    jectively unreasonable. Specifically, he submits that his de-
    sire for self-representation was evident from the following:
    (1) his repeated demands to discharge his attorney, (2) his
    declaration that he was going to “speak up for [himself]”
    and that he could not be “expect[ed]…to sit [t]here and…say
    nothing in [his] own defense,” and (3) his request “to speak
    like everybody else.” 18 Taken together, Mr. McGhee asserts,
    these statements leave “no question that [he] was requesting
    17 See United States v. Oakey, 
    853 F.2d 551
    , 553 (7th Cir. 1988) (“A demand
    to proceed pro se must be unequivocal.”); Gill v. Mecusker, 
    633 F.3d 1272
    ,
    1293 (11th Cir. 2011) (“Although Faretta was not primarily concerned
    with clarity and equivocation in making a request to proceed pro se, it is
    clear from the Court’s decision that a trial court’s obligation to conduct a
    ‘Faretta hearing,’ at which a defendant is made aware of the dangers and
    disadvantages of self-representation, is triggered by the defendant’s clear
    and unequivocal assertion of a desire to represent himself.” (alteration
    omitted) (internal quotation marks omitted)); State v. Darby, 
    766 N.W.2d 770
    , 776–78 (Wis. Ct. App. 2009) (collecting cases).
    18   R.20 at 36–37, 53; Appellant’s Br. 27–28.
    20                                                           No. 14-1763
    to represent himself.” 19 In response, the State submits that
    none of Mr. McGhee’s statements, “whether viewed in isola-
    tion or in [the] aggregate, amount to a clear and unequivocal
    invocation of [his] right [to] self-representation.” 20
    The State’s argument makes clear that the Court of Ap-
    peals of Wisconsin reached a reasonable conclusion.
    Mr. McGhee never clearly articulated a desire to represent
    himself. A request to discharge counsel, without more, ordi-
    narily does not signal a clear desire for self-representation.
    See United States v. Long, 
    597 F.3d 720
    , 724 (5th Cir. 2010)
    (“[S]omething more than just firing one’s attorney is re-
    quired before one clearly and unequivocally requests to pro-
    ceed pro se.”). Here, although Mr. McGhee did request, ex-
    plicitly, to discharge his attorney, he never asked to forego
    counsel entirely. 21 Tellingly, when asked whether he was
    ready to proceed to trial that day without counsel,
    Mr. McGhee did not ask to represent himself, but rather de-
    clared that he was not “going to no trial today.” 22 Because
    this statement suggests that Mr. McGhee was “seeking more
    time to retain other counsel rather than seeking to proceed
    19   Appellant’s Br. 29.
    20   Appellee’s Br. 29.
    21 Although Mr. McGhee certainly was frustrated with the proceedings
    and with the performance of his attorney, statements expressing such
    frustration do not clearly communicate a desire to conduct one’s own
    defense. See United States v. Conlan, 
    786 F.3d 380
    , 391 (5th Cir. 2015) (“A
    general expression of dissatisfaction with an attorney should not be con-
    strued as an invocation of the Faretta right to represent oneself….” (in-
    ternal quotation marks omitted)).
    22   R.20 at 20.
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    pro se,” we cannot conclude that it expresses a clear desire
    for self-representation. United States v. Jones, 
    938 F.2d 737
    ,
    742 (7th Cir. 1991); see also United States v. Loya-Rodriguez, 
    672 F.3d 849
    , 857 (10th Cir. 2012) (noting that conduct which
    could be construed as “result[ing] from a desire for different
    counsel” does not clearly and unequivocally express a desire
    for self-representation).
    Similarly, Mr. McGhee’s declaration that he was going to
    “speak up for [himself]” and that he could not be “ex-
    pect[ed] …to sit [t]here and…say nothing in [his] own de-
    fense” do not clearly communicate a desire to proceed with-
    out counsel. 23 Mr. McGhee made these statements during
    the course of an expletive-ridden tirade against the court’s
    earlier rulings excluding his witnesses and denying the
    withdrawal of his attorney. During that outburst, he accused
    the court of trying to “railroad” him and stated that he was
    not going to “sit…[t]here and accept” it. 24 Further, when
    warned about his behavior, Mr. McGhee responded, “Fuck
    warned. I’m telling you if I can’t have my witnesses, fuck
    this trial too.” 25 Viewed in this context, Mr. McGhee’s desire
    to “speak up for [himself]” suggests an intent to disrupt the
    proceedings rather than a request for self-representation.
    Finally, Mr. McGhee’s request “to speak like everybody
    else” does not clearly express a desire for self-
    representation. 26 Whether considered in isolation or in con-
    23   
    Id. at 36–37.
    24   
    Id. at 36.
    25   
    Id. at 35.
    26   
    Id. at 53.
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    text, this statement is ambiguous. See 
    Loya-Rodriguez, 672 F.3d at 858
    (concluding that a defendant’s request “to com-
    municate…, personally and verbally, during the following
    hearings, with the Court,…without the help of an attorney”
    did not clearly indicate a desire for self-representation). At
    the time Mr. McGhee made this request, he had just been
    reprimanded for his disruptive courtroom behavior. When
    asked what he meant by the request, Mr. McGhee respond-
    ed, “I mean speak when they saying something. You going
    to speak up for it. I’m going to speak up for myself if some-
    body got to say it. Judge ain’t going to say it for me.”27 The
    court understood these remarks as a request for permission
    to interrupt the proceedings. In light of Mr. McGhee’s prior
    disruptive conduct, we believe that the court’s interpretation
    of his remarks was reasonable. 28 Thus, even if his request to
    “speak like everybody else” could be interpreted as a re-
    quest to proceed without counsel, it certainly does not con-
    stitute a clear and unequivocal demand to do so. See Burton v.
    Collins, 
    937 F.2d 131
    , 134 (5th Cir. 1991) (“The fact that there
    is more than one reasonable interpretation of the dialog be-
    tween Burton and the trial judge is, in a sense, the best evi-
    dence that Burton did not clearly and unequivocally assert
    his right to self-representation.”); cf. United States v. Best, 426
    27   
    Id. at 54.
    28 We also note that Mr. McGhee did nothing to correct the court’s al-
    leged misunderstanding of his request. Rather, after the court made clear
    that it understood his remarks as a request for permission to interrupt
    the proceedings, Mr. McGhee responded, “You’re telling me I can’t tell
    my attorney to speak up for me?” 
    Id. Such a
    statement does not sound
    like the response of a defendant wishing to represent himself; indeed, it
    suggests exactly the opposite.
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    23 F.3d 937
    , 942 (7th Cir. 2005) (noting that “we will indulge
    every reasonable presumption against [a defendant’s] waiv-
    er” of his Sixth Amendment right to counsel (internal quota-
    tion marks omitted)).
    Viewing these various requests together, as Mr. McGhee
    suggests, does not change our conclusion. Whether consid-
    ered individually or in the aggregate, Mr. McGhee’s state-
    ments do not clearly and unequivocally communicate a de-
    sire for self-representation. The state court’s decision was
    certainly not unreasonable. The district court properly de-
    nied habeas relief.
    Conclusion
    Because the state court reasonably determined that
    Mr. McGhee had not clearly and unequivocally invoked his
    Faretta rights, the judgment of the district court is affirmed.
    AFFIRMED