United States v. Pablo Hidalgo-Sanchez ( 2022 )


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  •                                In the
    United States Court of Appeals
    For the Seventh Circuit
    ____________________
    Nos. 20-2673 & 21-1158
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    v.
    PABLO HIDALGO-SANCHEZ and LUIS F. GOMEZ
    Defendants-Appellants.
    ____________________
    Appeals from the United States District Court for the
    Eastern District of Wisconsin.
    No. 17-CR-113 — Pamela Pepper, Chief Judge.
    ____________________
    ARGUED JANUARY 5, 2022 — DECIDED MARCH 31, 2022
    ____________________
    Before KANNE, WOOD, and BRENNAN, Circuit Judges.
    KANNE, Circuit Judge. Pablo Hidalgo-Sanchez and Luis F.
    Gomez, among others, were indicted for their roles in a drug-
    distribution conspiracy operating in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
    Each was convicted by a jury and now appeals.
    Hidalgo-Sanchez challenges the sufficiency of the evi-
    dence against him, the propriety of venue in the Eastern Dis-
    trict of Wisconsin, and the failure of the trial judge to give a
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    limiting instruction to the jury, but we find no reversible error
    among these issues.
    Gomez challenges the government’s use of bolstering tes-
    timony. We agree that the government’s use of such testimony
    constituted error, but ultimately conclude that the error does
    not warrant reversal.
    Therefore, we affirm both convictions.
    I. BACKGROUND
    A. Factual Background
    In June 2017, twenty-one people were indicted for their al-
    leged roles in a drug-trafficking conspiracy that sought to dis-
    tribute methamphetamine, cocaine, and heroin in Milwaukee,
    Wisconsin. Among the indicted were defendants Pablo Hi-
    dalgo-Sanchez (also known by the name “PeeWee”) and Luis
    F. Gomez (also known as “Paco”), the appellants in this case.
    The indictment was the result of a long-term investigation
    by the DEA and the High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area
    (“HIDTA”) task force. DEA agents first identified a money
    courier operating in Chicago and Milwaukee, and the investi-
    gation expanded from there. Eventually, investigators ob-
    tained authorization to monitor phones used by members of
    the organization. The information investigators learned from
    these wiretaps enabled them to further surveil the organiza-
    tion using pole cameras and in-person observation.
    Gomez is the purported leader of the organization. He was
    in communication with suppliers in Mexico and he oversaw
    the importation of controlled substances to the Milwaukee
    area. The organization moved drugs to the Midwest by hiding
    them in secret compartments in vehicles that were then
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    loaded onto commercial car carriers. When the drugs reached
    their destination, they were replaced with proceeds and the
    cars were sent back to their source.
    Over the course of the investigation, agents seized four
    such vehicles. The basic details of each of these seizures are
    outlined below:
    •   On March 5, 2017, law enforcement officers seized a sil-
    ver Chrysler 300 near Albuquerque, New Mexico, con-
    taining eleven kilograms of cocaine.
    •   On April 18, 2017, law enforcement officers seized a sil-
    ver Volkswagen Jetta in West Chicago, Illinois, contain-
    ing $145,380.
    •   On May 14, 2017, law enforcement officers seized a
    Mercury Marquis in Seward, Nebraska, containing
    $99,920 and one kilogram of cocaine.
    •   On July 25, 2017, law enforcement officers seized a
    Mercedes SUV in Livingston County, Michigan, con-
    taining about five kilograms of methamphetamine.
    While Gomez arranged the first three of these intercepted
    shipments, Hidalgo-Sanchez was responsible for the last. Af-
    ter they were arrested, Gomez and Hidalgo-Sanchez were
    charged in Count One of the indictment, together with fifteen
    others, with conspiring to distribute one kilogram or more of
    heroin, five kilograms or more of cocaine, and fifty grams or
    more of methamphetamine, in violation of 
    21 U.S.C. §§ 841
    (a)(1), 841(b)(1)(A), and 846, and also with aiding and
    abetting the conspiracy in violation of 
    18 U.S.C. § 2
    .
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    B. Evidence
    The evidence in this case consists of physical evidence, tes-
    timony based on in-person surveillance and other law en-
    forcement activities, pole-camera videos, and the fruits of a
    wiretap investigation. In addition to call recordings and tran-
    scripts of those calls, the wiretap investigators also collected
    GPS location information for all of the phones used in inter-
    cepted calls. Depending on the carrier, the location infor-
    mation would indicate a broad area around a cell tower or a
    smaller subsection of that area, or it might even pinpoint a
    phone within thirty meters. Investigators would often send
    officers to conduct in-person surveillance at the location
    where a call was made so that they could collect more infor-
    mation or identify new coconspirators.
    Evelyn Lazo, a Milwaukee police officer and HIDTA task
    force member, participated in all aspects of the investigation.
    She is also a native Spanish speaker, so she was able to verify
    that the English translations of the intercepted calls were ac-
    curate. Because she was intimately acquainted with the voices
    of everyone recorded on the calls, she was able to identify the
    speakers on all calls. She also testified that Hidalgo-Sanchez
    identified his own voice on two of the calls when he was ar-
    rested.
    Detective Matthew Cooper explained how investigators
    associated phone numbers with specific people. They began
    with information that linked coconspirators Jonathan Mar-
    tinez-Acosta and Juan Avina to certain phone numbers. Then
    they began to intercept calls on those numbers. Officer Lazo
    explained that when they intercepted calls or text messages,
    they received toll data. Toll data includes the phone numbers
    of the calling and receiving phones, the date and time of the
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    call, how long the call lasted, and sometimes location infor-
    mation. Detective Cooper testified that they started identify-
    ing other people intercepted on the calls. If someone was not
    known to the investigation, then they might use in-person
    surveillance to figure out their identity. Using these methods,
    they were able to associate all of the intercepted phone num-
    bers with specific people and, when appropriate, expand the
    wiretap to include those numbers.
    1. Bryan Banks
    One man, Bryan Banks, gave key testimony during the
    trial. Banks testified that he worked with Gomez, among oth-
    ers. He explained how much he paid for kilograms of cocaine.
    He also told the jury that he and his coconspirators referred
    to drugs and money using coded language. He ordered kilo-
    grams using just a bare number (e.g., “one” or “two”). Heroin
    was “dog,” “puppy,” “boy,” or “China rice.” He also ex-
    plained that “hard and solid” cocaine was preferable to “pow-
    dery” cocaine because the latter might have been adulterated.
    Banks identified Gomez as the man he would get drugs from.
    He also identified Gomez’s voice on several intercepted calls.
    On July 12, 2017, a call between Banks and Gomez was in-
    tercepted. In that call, Banks requested “two.” Then he and
    Gomez met up at the location where Banks stored his product.
    Milwaukee police officer and HIDTA task force member Mi-
    guel Correa, Jr. testified about another such meeting: On Sep-
    tember 15, 2017, Banks texted Gomez, indicating that he
    wanted “one.” Officer Correa immediately went to Banks’s
    residence, where he witnessed Gomez arrive and meet Banks
    out of sight.
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    2. Chrysler 300
    Detective Cooper testified that he directed agents to sur-
    veil a Wal-Mart parking lot on January 25, 2017, in anticipa-
    tion of a heroin shipment arriving. The agents collected video
    and photographic evidence that showed coconspirators Mar-
    tinez-Acosta and Mario Esquivel-Sotelo receive a gray Chrys-
    ler 300 from a commercial car carrier. Detective Cooper en-
    tered the car’s license plate number into a national automated
    license plate reader program that would alert him if one of the
    program’s cameras identified the plate number.
    Later that day, several calls between Gomez and Martinez-
    Acosta were intercepted. Gomez confirmed that they got the
    right vehicle and told Martinez-Acosta that he would tell him
    “how to open that shit up so that [he] can get out those things
    and then put it in the garage.” Gomez also warned Martinez-
    Acosta that the car has “a listening device and it shows where
    the car is,” so he shouldn’t say anything.
    Detective Cooper received an alert from the license plate
    reader program on March 5, 2017, that the Chrysler 300 was
    in New Mexico. He notified the New Mexico State Police, who
    intercepted it. Those officers found eleven kilograms of co-
    caine, a GPS tracker, and an audio recorder.
    3. Jetta
    Detective Cooper testified that on February 28, 2017, a pole
    camera captured video of Gomez backing out of his garage in
    a silver Volkswagen Jetta. A few days later, Gomez and sev-
    eral others were seen with the Jetta in an alley behind
    Gomez’s apartment. Shortly thereafter, security cameras cov-
    ering a Wal-Mart parking lot showed the Jetta being loaded
    onto a commercial car carrier. Officer Correa noted that a
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    white SUV he had surveilled previously was monitoring the
    loading and left upon completion.
    Homeland Security Investigations Special Agent and
    HIDTA task force member Russell Andrew Dykema testified
    that he shot video of the silver Jetta being loaded onto another
    car carrier on April 18, 2017. The jury also saw this video. Af-
    ter the Jetta was loaded onto the carrier, Special Agent
    Dykema followed it for “hours” into Illinois. A number of
    other officers arrived, stopped the car carrier, inspected the
    Jetta, and found $145,380 and a GPS tracking device with an
    audio recorder.
    About a month later, a phone conversation that Gomez
    had with two men in Mexico only identified as Peñasco and
    Tomas—characterized by the government as the sources of
    supply—was intercepted. They discussed the seizure of the
    Jetta and the cash in it. They thought it was very “strange.”
    4. Grand Marquis
    Detective Cooper testified that a March 22, 2017, pole-cam-
    era video showed a commercial car carrier depositing a white
    Mercury Grand Marquis in an alley. Esquivel-Sotelo and Os-
    car Garnica-Manriquez were there to receive the vehicle. Es-
    quivel-Sotelo was seen using a phone, and at the same time a
    call between him and Gomez was intercepted. Esquivel-
    Sotelo asked Gomez how much money he needed to pay the
    driver of the car carrier, and Gomez told him how to proceed.
    Gomez also instructed Esquivel-Sotelo to “put that away” and
    “send me the picture.”
    Almost two months later, a call between Gomez and Es-
    quivel-Sotelo was intercepted. In that call, Esquivel-Sotelo
    confirmed that he was “at the glass place” getting “glass” and
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    had arranged for the Marquis to be picked up. Shortly there-
    after, Gomez called Garnica-Manriquez and told him to “pick
    up the money and head over to my house and start wrapping,
    dude.” DEA Special Agent Kellen Williams then observed
    Garnica-Manriquez remove a windshield from the back of a
    Hummer and carry it into the garage.
    Based on information Detective Cooper provided to Dep-
    uty Dave Frye of the Seward County Sheriff’s Department, the
    Grand Marquis was seized in Nebraska on May 13, 2017. Dep-
    uty Frye testified that he removed the windshield because he
    knew that the Grand Marquis had a void space that can be
    accessed that way. He found three packages and a GPS
    tracker. Two of the packages contained cash—$99,920 in to-
    tal—and the third contained about a kilogram of cocaine.
    On May 15, 2017, Gomez called Tomas to tell him that the
    Grand Marquis had been stopped, and then he called Pe-
    ñasco, who asked him how many “hamburgers” were in the
    vehicle. Gomez responded that there were three—“two (2) of
    them were paper (money) and … the bad one.”
    5. Mercedes SUV
    On July 19, 2017, investigators intercepted two calls be-
    tween Hidalgo-Sanchez and someone named Aaron at a car
    hauling company called Mueve Tu Carro in Stockton, Califor-
    nia. Hidalgo-Sanchez identified himself as “Roberto Mar-
    tinez” and arranged for a Mercedes SUV to be transported
    from California to Michigan. Detective Cooper used this call
    to obtain authority to monitor the location of the car carrier.
    When the car carrier was in Michigan, Detective Cooper
    alerted the Michigan State Police. Michigan State Police Of-
    ficer Daryl Myers testified that he assisted in stopping the car
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    carrier. He looked at the bill of lading for the Mercedes SUV
    and saw a phone number with a 608 area code, which did not
    match the destination—Sturgis, Michigan. This, among other
    inconsistencies, raised his suspicion. After a canine alerted of-
    ficers to drugs in the vehicle, they searched and found about
    five kilograms of methamphetamine.
    6. Other Acts
    In one of the earliest recorded conversations, Hidalgo-
    Sanchez spoke with Avina, on December 5, 2016, about drug
    quantities and customer needs. At trial, Detective Cooper tes-
    tified that he set up surveillance at Avina’s apartment shortly
    after the call. While there, he saw Hidalgo-Sanchez and Avina,
    among others, leave the apartment building in rapid succes-
    sion. This was just one of “many occasions” that Detective
    Cooper conducted surveillance on Hidalgo-Sanchez.
    In a January 5, 2017 call with Gomez, Hidalgo-Sanchez re-
    quested half a kilogram of drugs. When Gomez told him that
    he did not have any, Hidalgo-Sanchez inquired about when
    the next shipment would be delivered, and Gomez told him
    it would be there in three days. A little less than two weeks
    later, they spoke again. This time, Gomez told Hidalgo-
    Sanchez that a car containing only heroin had arrived, but that
    other drugs would follow in a separate shipment the next day.
    On February 15, 2017, Hidalgo-Sanchez spoke over the
    phone with Esquivel-Sotelo, who told Hidalgo-Sanchez that
    there was a fake fifty-dollar bill among the $600 Hidalgo-
    Sanchez gave him, and that Tita, Gomez’s sister, had discov-
    ered it. Hidalgo-Sanchez, surprised, asked for the fake bill “so
    that [he could] return it to that dude.”
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    The next day, Gomez and Hidalgo-Sanchez spoke again.
    This time it was Hidalgo-Sanchez who offered two types of
    drugs to Gomez, who agreed to send a courier to buy them.
    Hidalgo-Sanchez said that thirty-five kilograms were availa-
    ble, but Gomez only asked for “one of each.” Gomez told Hi-
    dalgo-Sanchez to explain to the courier which package con-
    tained which drug.
    In a March 6, 2017 call, Hidalgo-Sanchez complained to
    Gomez about the quality of a substance that had been deliv-
    ered. The color was “bad ass,” but the product was damp and
    falling apart. Twenty-five minutes later, the two spoke again.
    Hidalgo-Sanchez had a “receipt”—likely money or drugs—
    for Gomez and wondered whether he should deliver it then
    or “put it all together” and deliver later. They agreed to meet
    at Gomez’s residence.
    A couple days later, there was a similar quality-assurance
    call. Hidalgo-Sanchez complained about drugs that were
    “like dirt” and “falling apart.” He had taken some to a “guy”
    who had “bought [a] quarter” kilogram from him, but “he
    didn’t want it.” Hidalgo-Sanchez requested that Gomez ex-
    change it for product that was “more solid,” and Gomez
    agreed. Gomez assured Hidalgo-Sanchez that the replace-
    ment was “harder,” and that Hidalgo-Sanchez could “give
    [him the] powdery one,” and he would “see what [he could]
    do with that.”
    On March 10, 2017, Gomez answered a call from Hidalgo-
    Sanchez, referring to himself as the “number one from Mil-
    waukee.” Hidalgo-Sanchez asked if Gomez wanted any of the
    two kinds of drugs he had from California. Gomez first told
    him to bring it over to where he was, but then asked for a pic-
    ture instead.
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    Eleven days later, on March 21, 2017, another call between
    the two was intercepted. Hidalgo-Sanchez was at a private
    party at a restaurant in Milwaukee. He tried to get Gomez to
    bring some drugs because he had a customer who was ready
    and willing to buy a “quarter.” Gomez said he only had the
    “lo[o]se” kind that Hidalgo-Sanchez had returned to him. Hi-
    dalgo-Sanchez then asked when he could expect more, and
    Gomez said “supposedly in a little bit.” Finally, he inquired
    about whether Gomez could help him purchase product from
    a different supplier. The supplier would only sell if they took
    “everything at once” and paid cash at the time of sale.
    On June 22, 2017, Gomez and Hidalgo-Sanchez discussed
    prices for kilograms of cocaine. Gomez offered to “len[d]”
    several kilograms to Hidalgo-Sanchez for a few days for him
    to sell. Hidalgo-Sanchez was interested but noncommittal.
    The next month, on July 10, 2017, the two discussed drug
    proceeds, and Hidalgo-Sanchez agreed to temporarily pro-
    vide cocaine to Gomez, despite Gomez typically supplying
    Hidalgo-Sanchez. Gomez asked him to “set 4 aside,” and Hi-
    dalgo-Sanchez agreed.
    In an August 16, 2017 call, Gomez and Esquivel-Sotelo dis-
    cussed the distribution of drug proceeds. Esquivel-Sotelo ex-
    plained that he gave $2,000 to Hidalgo-Sanchez and the re-
    mainder to Gomez’s sister.
    Finally, on September 1, 2017, Gomez and Hidalgo-
    Sanchez spoke again by phone. Hidalgo-Sanchez asked if
    Gomez still had some of “that fucked up dog”—low-quality
    heroin. He wanted to give a customer a sample. Gomez ex-
    plained that he had “already delivered it all” but that another
    shipment would be arriving a few days later. They also
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    discussed the price of cocaine available through Gomez’s Chi-
    cago supplier.
    C. District Court Proceedings
    1. Bill of Lading
    Above, we mentioned that Michigan State Police Officer
    Daryl Myers became suspicious when he saw several incon-
    sistencies on the bill of lading associated with the transport of
    a Mercedes SUV. One of the inconsistencies was that the num-
    ber listed for the recipient of the vehicle had a Madison, Wis-
    consin area code instead of an area code for somewhere near
    the destination in Sturgis, Michigan.
    When the government moved to admit the bill of lading,
    counsel for Hidalgo-Sanchez objected, asserting that it consti-
    tuted hearsay if offered for the truth of any of the matters as-
    serted therein. The government explained that it was only of-
    fering the bill of lading to show why officers investigated fur-
    ther (because of the inconsistencies), and not for the truth of
    what was asserted on it. Counsel for Hidalgo-Sanchez fol-
    lowed up by asking the court to give a limiting instruction to
    the jury explaining what it was being admitted for. The court
    explained that it would give “legal instructions” at the end of
    the case, and it admitted the bill of lading for the stated pur-
    pose over the objection.
    Toward the end of the trial, Hidalgo-Sanchez submitted a
    proposed limiting instruction. It read:
    The court received into evidence government Ex-
    hibit 369, which is the bill of lading seized from the
    car-hauler during the stop and search in Michigan
    on July 25, 2017. The bill of lading has certain infor-
    mation written on it. The government represented to
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    the court that the exhibit was offered not for the
    truth of any writing contained on the exhibit; but,
    rather, only [to] demonstrate the effect it had on the
    officer conducting the stop and the search of the
    cars, and to explain the next steps he took. You may
    consider the bill of lading for that purpose only. You
    may not consider it for the truth of any matter writ-
    ten on the bill of lading.
    He supported this instruction by citing Federal Rule of Evi-
    dence 105, which states, “If the court admits evidence that is
    admissible … for a purpose—but not … for another pur-
    pose—the court, on timely request, must restrict the evidence
    to its proper scope and instruct the jury accordingly.” Fed. R.
    Evid. 105.
    The government responded that “bills of lading should be
    admissible … as substantive evidence, not for a limited pur-
    pose.” Then, he acknowledged that “it was initially admitted
    only for the purpose of the effect on the listener,” but then
    moved for the bill of lading to be admitted into evidence with-
    out limitation.
    The court explained that it did not think the bill of lading
    was being admitted for the truth of the matter asserted and
    that it did not see any reason to give an instruction. The court
    added, “It’s not being admitted to show that this is where this
    shipment was going and this is who ordered the shipment to
    go there and the jury knows that.” Thus, it seems that the
    court denied Hidalgo-Sanchez’s proposed instruction and the
    government’s motion to admit the bill of lading without lim-
    itation.
    Later in the trial, when the government discussed the
    Michigan seizure of the Mercedes SUV, it explained how the
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    shipment was coordinated but never explicitly mentioned the
    bill of lading. The only mentions of the phone number used
    to arrange the shipment are:
    •   “[I]t’s ultimately up to the jury to decide whether or
    not Mr. Hidalgo-Sanchez is, in fact, the one that coor-
    dinated the shipment of drugs from Stockton, Califor-
    nia to Sturgis, Michigan, but there is certainly a call
    that details that, and that call is connected to Mr. Hi-
    dalgo-Sanchez by one of the phone numbers on the
    wire.”
    •   “Both the calls, Government [exhibits] 366 and 367, are
    intercepted on target number (608) 404-4032, telephone
    with a Madison phone number that was being utilized
    by Pablo Hidalgo-Sanchez.”
    Notably, the government did not mention the information on
    the bill of lading in its closing.
    2. Rule 29 Motions
    At the close of the government’s case, both Gomez and Hi-
    dalgo-Sanchez moved for dismissal pursuant to Federal Rule
    of Criminal Procedure 29(a). Gomez simply moved to dis-
    miss, while Hidalgo-Sanchez made a more detailed argu-
    ment. Hidalgo-Sanchez argued that the government’s evi-
    dence was insufficient to establish that he was a party to a
    conspiracy to distribute controlled substances in the Eastern
    District of Wisconsin.
    The court denied both motions because it found that the
    evidence the government presented, when viewed in the light
    most favorable to the government, was certainly sufficient to
    demonstrate that Gomez and Hidalgo-Sanchez had engaged
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    in a conspiracy with others to distribute controlled sub-
    stances.
    3. Bolstering Testimony
    During his initial examination of Detective Cooper, the
    prosecutor elicited a significant amount of testimony about
    the process for obtaining and maintaining a wiretap. The per-
    tinent exchanges are included with the analysis below.
    II. ANALYSIS
    In this appeal from the convictions of two separate de-
    fendants, we will first address Hidalgo-Sanchez’s arguments
    then proceed to Gomez’s arguments.
    A. Hidalgo-Sanchez
    Hidalgo-Sanchez raises three issues on appeal. First, he ar-
    gues that the evidence presented at trial was insufficient as a
    matter of law to support his conviction for conspiracy to dis-
    tribute controlled substances in the Eastern District of Wis-
    consin. Second, he asserts that venue is improper in that dis-
    trict. Third, he contends that the district court reversibly erred
    when it failed to give a certain limiting instruction to the jury.
    1. Sufficiency of the Evidence
    Because Hidalgo-Sanchez preserved his sufficiency-of-
    the-evidence argument by moving for judgment of acquittal
    under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 29 at the close of
    evidence, we review his claim de novo. United States v.
    Claybrooks, 
    729 F.3d 699
    , 704 (7th Cir. 2013). That does not
    mean, however, that he has an easy road ahead. In fact, he
    faces a “nearly insurmountable” burden. United States v. An-
    derson, 
    988 F.3d 420
    , 424 (7th Cir. 2021) (quoting United States
    v. Faulkner, 
    885 F.3d 488
    , 492 (7th Cir. 2018)).
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    In sufficiency challenges to jury verdicts, “we review the
    evidence presented at trial in the light most favorable to the
    government and draw all reasonable inferences in its favor.”
    
    Id.
     (citing United States v. Grayson Enters., Inc., 
    950 F.3d 386
    ,
    405 (7th Cir. 2020)). “We do not make credibility determina-
    tions or reweigh the evidence … .” United States v. Brown, 
    865 F.3d 566
    , 570 (7th Cir. 2017). Ultimately, we “will overturn a
    conviction only if, after reviewing the record in this light, we
    determine that no rational trier of fact could have found the
    essential elements of the offense beyond a reasonable doubt.”
    Anderson, 988 F.3d at 424 (citing Grayson Enters., Inc., 950 F.3d
    at 405). In other words, “[i]f there is a reasonable basis in the
    record for the verdict, it must stand.” United States v. Moshiri,
    
    858 F.3d 1077
    , 1082 (7th Cir. 2017) (citing United States v.
    Galati, 
    230 F.3d 254
    , 258 (7th Cir. 2000)).
    To secure a conviction in a conspiracy prosecution, “the
    government must prove that (1) two or more people agreed
    to commit an unlawful act, and (2) the defendant knowingly
    and intentionally joined in the agreement.” United States v.
    Hopper, 
    934 F.3d 740
    , 754 (7th Cir. 2019) (quoting United States
    v. Johnson, 
    592 F.3d 749
    , 754 (7th Cir. 2010)). With respect to
    drug-distribution conspiracies, “[t]he government must
    prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant know-
    ingly agreed, perhaps implicitly, with someone else to distrib-
    ute drugs.” United States v. Vizcarra-Millan, 
    15 F.4th 473
    , 506
    (7th Cir. 2021).
    Evidence showing only that two people are in a buyer-
    seller relationship is insufficient to prove a drug-distribution
    conspiracy. Hopper, 934 F.3d at 754. The same is true if the ev-
    idence is “in equipoise”—that is, it suggests that either possi-
    bility is equally likely. Johnson, 
    592 F.3d at 755
    .
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    There are two principles that are helpful to this analysis.
    First, “[t]o be liable for conspiracy, a defendant must have ‘a
    stake in the venture’ and therefore exhibit[] ‘informed and in-
    terested cooperation.’” Vizcarra-Millan, 15 F.4th at 507 (altera-
    tion in original) (quoting United States v. Brown, 
    726 F.3d 993
    ,
    998 (7th Cir. 2013)). Second, we require “[e]vidence of an
    agreement to advance further distribution—beyond the initial
    transaction.” Hopper, 934 F.3d at 754 (alteration in original)
    (citing United States v. Pulgar, 
    789 F.3d 807
    , 812 (7th Cir. 2015)).
    We have also acknowledged and employed a “nonexhaus-
    tive list of characteristics that strongly distinguish a conspir-
    acy from a buyer-seller relationship.” 
    Id. at 755
     (quoting
    United States v. Pereira, 
    783 F.3d 700
    , 704 (7th Cir. 2015)). Those
    characteristics include:
    sales on credit or consignment, an agreement to look
    for other customers, a payment of commission on
    sales, an indication that one party advised the other
    on the conduct of the other’s business, or an agree-
    ment to warn of future threats to each other’s busi-
    ness stemming from competitors or law enforce-
    ment authorities.
    
    Id.
     (quoting Pereira, 783 F.3d at 704). Moreover, “if a person
    buys drugs in large quantities (too great for personal con-
    sumption), on a frequent basis, on credit, then an inference of
    conspiracy legitimately follows.” Brown, 726 F.3d at 1002.
    Despite the utility of these “rules of thumb,” Vizcarra-Mil-
    lan, 15 F.4th at 507, our ultimate charge is to “take into account
    all the evidence surrounding the alleged conspiracy and make
    a holistic assessment of whether the jury reached a reasonable
    verdict,” Brown, 726 F.3d at 1002. Otherwise stated, we must
    18                                     Nos. 20-2673 & 21-1158
    “consider the totality of the circumstances” to determine
    whether a conspiracy existed. Id.
    Hidalgo-Sanchez first suggests that he was in a mere
    buyer-seller relationship with Gomez, not a conspiracy. To
    begin, we address the government’s contention that Hidalgo-
    Sanchez waived or forfeited this argument because his trial
    counsel confirmed to the district court during the jury instruc-
    tion conference that the evidence did not require a buyer-
    seller instruction. The government’s contention is beside the
    point. The thrust of Hidalgo-Sanchez’s appeal is that the evi-
    dence was insufficient to show that he was involved in the al-
    leged conspiracy. One way for him to do that is to concede
    that the evidence is sufficient to prove something short of con-
    spiracy—a buyer-seller relationship—but nothing more. Put
    a different way, he could have advanced this sufficiency argu-
    ment without mentioning “buyer-seller” at all. He could
    simply have explained what was not proven and refrained
    from also conceding what was proven. He preserved his suf-
    ficiency challenge by moving for a judgment of acquittal un-
    der Rule 29. Claybrooks, 729 F.3d at 704. His earlier failure to
    insist on a buyer-seller jury instruction did not make that
    preservation impossible.
    Now we turn to the evidence. As will be shown below, the
    evidence makes it clear that Gomez was in charge of a fairly
    large conspiracy to distribute heroin, cocaine, and metham-
    phetamine in Milwaukee. He worked with coconspirators to
    transport these controlled substances to Milwaukee by hiding
    them in void spaces in cars that were then shipped via com-
    mercial car carriers. They would then hide money or drugs in
    the cars and send them elsewhere. Testimonial evidence, rec-
    orded calls, pole-camera footage, and in-person surveillance
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    confirm Gomez’s role in at least three of these shipments. In-
    tercepted phone calls also demonstrate that Gomez was in
    contact with two people in Mexico that the government as-
    serts were sources of supply. Finally, in many phone calls,
    Gomez negotiated further drug sales to local distributors. One
    such distributor was Bryan Banks, who testified as to the
    coded language used in the recorded conversations and made
    clear that he was exchanging large sums of money for kilo-
    gram quantities of controlled substances.
    The key question, though, is whether the evidence ties Hi-
    dalgo-Sanchez to this conspiracy. We conclude that it does—
    or, at least, there is a reasonable basis in the record for the
    jury’s verdict that it does. To be clear, the evidence does not
    need to show that Hidalgo-Sanchez was involved in every act
    of the conspiracy. United States v. Brasher, 
    962 F.3d 254
    , 261–
    62 (7th Cir. 2020). It is also not necessary that Hidalgo-
    Sanchez knew every member of the conspiracy. 
    Id. at 261
    . In-
    stead, the evidence must only show that he was “aware of the
    aim of the conspiracy and made a knowing decision to join
    it.” 
    Id.
     at 262 (citing United States v. Thompson, 
    286 F.3d 950
    ,
    964 (7th Cir. 2002)).
    Here, there is evidence that Hidalgo-Sanchez would buy
    drugs from Gomez on credit and consignment. A few calls il-
    lustrate this point. First, in a June 22, 2017 call, Gomez asked
    Hidalgo-Sanchez if he “want[s] some for thirty-one (31), lent
    to [him] for about three (3) days.” Later in the call, Gomez ex-
    plains that he “can tell them a week,” but “then if they start
    asking and I don’t have all the money, they’re going to start
    pressuring me.” By the end of the call, it’s not clear whether a
    deal was made, but an inference can be reasonably drawn
    about the way Gomez and Hidalgo-Sanchez worked together.
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    In a February 15, 2017 call, Esquivel-Sotelo tells Hidalgo-
    Sanchez that there was a fake fifty-dollar bill that was part of
    a $600 payment that made its way from Hidalgo-Sanchez to
    Gomez’s sister, Tita. A jury could easily infer from the call that
    Esquivel-Sotelo was asking Hidalgo-Sanchez to replace it
    with real money and that Hidalgo-Sanchez was intent on
    complying.
    These two calls, together with Banks’s testimony about the
    coded language the conspirators used when making deals,
    could lead a jury to conclude that there was a course of con-
    duct between Gomez and Hidalgo-Sanchez that involved the
    extension of drugs on credit.
    With respect to consignment, the key call occurred on
    March 8, 2017. In that call, Hidalgo-Sanchez complained that
    the “one” he got from Gomez was “falling apart” and “like
    dirt.” He explained that one of his customers, a guy who
    “bought the quarter from [him],” did not want it. They agreed
    that Hidalgo-Sanchez could return the “powdery” kilogram
    for a “harder” one, in hopes that the customer would not re-
    ject it. The ability to return unsold drugs is the hallmark of a
    consignment. See Pulgar, 789 F.3d at 811 (“[W]hen a ‘seller
    permits the buyer to return unsold drugs,’ he stands on the
    precipice of a consignment sale. And consignment sales are
    ‘quintessential evidence’ of a drug-distribution conspiracy.”
    (citation omitted) (quoting Brown, 726 F.3d at 999)). This call
    illustrates that the two had a shared stake in the further sale
    of the heroin and were working out a solution together.
    Other than these two examples, from which it would be
    reasonable for a jury to infer that the two were dealing with
    kilogram quantities, below are examples from other calls that
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    suggest that Hidalgo-Sanchez acquired “large quantities”
    from Gomez:
    •   January 5, 2017: Hidalgo-Sanchez asked for a “half,”
    but Gomez did not have any and didn’t expect any for
    three more days.
    •   March 6, 2017: Hidalgo-Sanchez complained about
    product that was “all damp.” They discussed “the
    other one,” which fell apart “terribly.”
    •   March 8, 2017: Hidalgo-Sanchez asked if Gomez
    wanted to see the “ones from Califas.” He said he had
    “two,” “one and one.”
    •   March 21, 2017: Hidalgo-Sanchez called Gomez from a
    private party at a restaurant and requested a “quarter,”
    explaining that there was a buyer waiting with “cash
    on hand.” Gomez explained that he only had the
    “lo[o]se kind.” Hidalgo-Sanchez changed course and
    asked Gomez if he could help him get “twenty five.”
    They discussed the difficulty of obtaining that much at
    one time. Gomez said that he would “see how many
    arrive … and let [him] know how many [he] can han-
    dle.” He also ventured that they could “leave five (5)
    down there, dude.”
    It would be reasonable for a jury to infer from these inter-
    actions that Hidalgo-Sanchez and Gomez dealt frequently
    with one another and exchanged large quantities of drugs and
    money. Moreover, they shared the objective of acquiring
    more drugs and ensuring that Hidalgo-Sanchez’s customers
    were satisfied. They had a joint stake in the operation.
    The jury could also have reasonably inferred from the ev-
    idence that Hidalgo-Sanchez arranged the transport of the
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    Mercedes SUV containing five kilograms of methampheta-
    mine that was intercepted in Michigan. The extreme similar-
    ity between this transport and the three other intercepted
    transports could reasonably lead a jury to infer that they were
    part of the same criminal objective. This is especially so con-
    sidering that it happened in the middle of their course of deal-
    ing and followed the other three transports.
    Admittedly, this evidence does not necessarily entitle the
    government to the “legitimate[]” inference of conspiracy that
    follows from frequent transactions of large quantities of drugs
    on credit. See Brown, 726 F.3d at 1000. Although the evidence
    indicates that each of those features is present in one or more
    of Gomez’s and Hidalgo-Sanchez’s interactions, it is not clear
    that there was a consistent pattern of transactions that in-
    cluded all three. We are still convinced that the jury’s verdict
    should not be disturbed, though, for two reasons. First, it is
    possible that a jury could still reach the opposite conclusion,
    and our review is very deferential to that possibility. And sec-
    ond, the evidence otherwise establishes that Gomez and Hi-
    dalgo-Sanchez are guilty of the charged offense.
    In any event, the totality of the circumstances suggests a
    relationship between the two that was much deeper and more
    entwined than a mere buyer-seller relationship. First and
    foremost, there is evidence that shows Gomez sold Hidalgo-
    Sanchez drugs on credit and consignment. Second, there is
    evidence that Gomez had an interest in the sales that Hidalgo-
    Sanchez made. He allowed Hidalgo-Sanchez to replace infe-
    rior product to ensure that his customers would be satisfied.
    Their relationship also showed a level of trust indicative
    of conspiracies. Vizcarra-Millan, 15 F.4th at 507 (“We have
    sometimes described [the conspiracy] factors as supporting
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    an inference of heightened trust, but evidence of mutual trust
    alone is insufficient.” (citing Pulgar, 789 F.3d at 815–16)). They
    openly discussed the contents and expected arrival dates of
    shipments of controlled substances and very likely shared tac-
    tics for trafficking them. And the jury could infer from the
    similarity of the four vehicle seizures that the two were carry-
    ing out the same operation, or that one “advised the other on
    the conduct of the other’s business.” Johnson, 
    592 F.3d at
    755–
    56. This is more than enough evidence to support the jury’s
    verdict.
    2. Venue
    Hidalgo-Sanchez also argues that the evidence was insuf-
    ficient to show that venue was proper in the Eastern District
    of Wisconsin. We disagree. “[I]t is not at all unusual for con-
    spiracies to cross state and judicial district lines; hence, the
    law recognizes that such crimes may be prosecuted in any dis-
    trict where one’s co-conspirators have acted in furtherance of
    the conspiracy.” Brasher, 962 F.3d at 263 (citations omitted).
    This proposition is backed by 
    18 U.S.C. § 3237
    (a), which states
    that “any offense … begun in one district and completed in
    another, or committed in more than one district, may be …
    prosecuted in any district in which such offense was begun,
    continued, or completed.”
    Here, the evidence shows that Hidalgo-Sanchez himself
    committed overt acts in the Eastern District of Wisconsin, not
    to mention his coconspirators, including Gomez. Three exam-
    ples make the point.
    First, on December 5, 2016, Hidalgo-Sanchez and Avina
    were intercepted speaking on the phone about drugs. Hi-
    dalgo-Sanchez asked, “Isn’t there a little bit from that one?
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    Because this guy wants some of that one.” Avina replied,
    “Well, … there’s hardly any left … . I don’t know how much
    you can get from that one, all that’s left is dust.” Hidalgo-
    Sanchez said, “Let me see; are you there?” Avina answered,
    “Yes. I’m here at my house.” Detective Cooper testified that,
    after the call, he saw Avina and Hidalgo-Sanchez at Avina’s
    apartment in Milwaukee. Viewed in the light most favorable
    to the government, this exchange shows that the two con-
    spired to advance further drug sales in the Eastern District of
    Wisconsin.
    The second example is the call that Hidalgo-Sanchez made
    from the Milwaukee restaurant to Gomez on March 21, 2017.
    He called Gomez to try to secure drugs for a customer who
    had “cash on hand.” Moreover, they discussed how to obtain
    a huge amount of additional drugs from a supplier.
    Third, on April 18, 2017, Gomez, with whom the evidence
    shows Hidalgo-Sanchez was conspiring, and several others
    prepared and loaded the silver Jetta onto a car carrier in the
    parking lot of a Milwaukee Wal-Mart. The Jetta was stopped
    in Illinois and officers found $145,380, a GPS tracker, and an
    audio recorder. Later, an intercepted call featured Gomez dis-
    cussing the seizure of the Jetta with his sources of supply in
    Mexico. These were clear overt acts, occurring in the Eastern
    District of Wisconsin, that were central to the drug-distribu-
    tion conspiracy that Hidalgo-Sanchez was a part of.
    Because Hidalgo-Sanchez and his coconspirators commit-
    ted acts furthering their drug-distribution conspiracy in the
    Eastern District of Wisconsin, venue was proper there.
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    3. Limiting Instruction
    Hidalgo-Sanchez next argues that the district court erred
    when it twice refused to give an instruction to the jury to limit
    its consideration of the Michigan bill of lading to the purpose
    proffered by the government: that there were inconsistencies
    on it that prompted Officer Myers to investigate further the
    Mercedes SUV. When he did investigate, he found about five
    kilograms of methamphetamine.
    We review for an abuse of discretion a district court’s de-
    cision to give or refuse to give a jury instruction. United States
    v. Campos, 
    541 F.3d 735
    , 744 (7th Cir. 2008). We conclude that
    there was an abuse of discretion in this case when the district
    court refused to give a limiting instruction along the lines of
    what Hidalgo-Sanchez requested. That is because Federal
    Rule of Evidence 105 provides that “[i]f the court admits evi-
    dence that is admissible … for a purpose—but not … for an-
    other purpose—the court, on timely request, must restrict the
    evidence to its proper scope and instruct the jury accord-
    ingly.” Fed. R. Evid. 105; United States v. Gomez, 
    763 F.3d 845
    ,
    860 (7th Cir. 2014) (“A limiting instruction must be given upon
    request.”).
    Here, the district court overruled Hidalgo-Sanchez’s im-
    mediate hearsay objection after the government explained
    that it was only offering the bill of lading to show why it
    “raise[d] this officer’s suspicions.” Then, at the jury instruc-
    tion conference near the close of evidence, Hidalgo-Sanchez
    proposed a limiting instruction. In response, the government
    requested that the bill of lading be admitted without limita-
    tion. The district court explained that it did not see “any need
    to give the jury an instruction” because the bill of lading was
    “not being admitted to show that this is where this shipment
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    was going and this is who ordered the shipment to go there
    and the jury knows that.” Then, it moved on, leaving undis-
    turbed its decisions to admit the bill of lading for a limited
    purpose and to not give an instruction.
    While we are somewhat persuaded by the reasoning of the
    district court that an instruction was not really necessary as a
    conceptual matter, that does not negate the fact that Hidalgo-
    Sanchez was entitled to one upon timely request. See Fed. R.
    Civ. P. 105. Therefore, we believe an abuse of discretion oc-
    curred.
    Having concluded that refusing to give a limiting instruc-
    tion to the jury was error, we must now decide whether it was
    harmless. See Fed. R. Crim. P. 52(a). The error was harmless if
    it did not affect Hidalgo-Sanchez’s substantial rights. See
    United States v. Robinson, 
    724 F.3d 878
    , 888 (7th Cir. 2013).
    “Generally speaking, a finding of harmlessness is appropriate
    only if an appellate court can say ‘with fair assurance’ that the
    judgment was not ‘substantially swayed by the error.’” 
    Id.
    (quoting Kotteakos v. United States, 
    328 U.S. 750
    , 765 (1946)). It
    is the government’s burden to demonstrate this. 
    Id.
     (citations
    omitted).
    Hidalgo-Sanchez contends that the bill of lading was a
    critical piece of evidence because it listed a number associated
    with him as the recipient’s phone number. The recipient’s
    name is listed only as “Jackson.” The jury should have been
    instructed not to consider the truth of the matter asserted, Hi-
    dalgo-Sanchez insists. But the truth of the matter asserted is
    seemingly that a person named Jackson in Sturgis, Michigan,
    with this phone number really is the recipient of the Mercedes
    SUV. Just as the district court concluded, this does not ad-
    vance the government’s case against Hidalgo-Sanchez at all.
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    It is possible that the jury knew this number was associ-
    ated with Hidalgo-Sanchez, and therefore that he was in-
    volved in this shipment, but the government already associ-
    ated him with the shipment. It offered two intercepted calls
    purportedly from “Roberto Martinez” to the car carrier com-
    pany, Mueve Tu Carro. The calls were made from Hidalgo-
    Sanchez’s number and Detective Lazo identified his voice on
    the calls. Hidalgo-Sanchez tries to deal with this fact by sug-
    gesting that even if he were the caller, the bill of lading shows
    that he was the recipient, too, and that fact is somehow a
    linchpin in the case. But in reality, that additional inference
    would not materially change anything, if the jury inferred it
    at all.
    Although the bill of lading was supposedly critical to the
    government’s case, after it was admitted, the government
    never mentioned it again at trial or in closing. Additionally,
    while Hidalgo-Sanchez was entitled to the instruction and
    wanted it, the instruction would have drawn the jury’s atten-
    tion back to the bill of lading, when it had been all but aban-
    doned. The linchpin argument is also undermined by the
    mountain of other evidence connecting Hidalgo-Sanchez to
    Gomez and the drug-distribution conspiracy.
    As the government points out, there are cases where in-
    struction-related errors are so prejudicial that they warrant a
    new trial, see Robinson, 724 F.3d at 891, but this case is not one
    of them. Here, we “can say ‘with fair assurance’ that the judg-
    ment was not ‘substantially swayed by the error.’” Id. at 888
    (quoting Kotteakos, 
    328 U.S. at 765
    ). Therefore, we conclude
    that the district court’s failure to give a limiting instruction
    was harmless.
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    B. Gomez
    Gomez raises only one issue in his appellate brief. He ar-
    gues that the government’s impermissible use of bolstering
    testimony so tainted his trial that a new one is warranted. The
    relevant testimony was elicited from Detective Cooper, and
    appears below:
    Q. Okay. And so you make the determination
    that you’re going to get—you’d like to get a wiretap.
    How does that process begin?
    A. So the wiretap’s kind of a last resort because
    it’s a lot of work, so the process begins through the
    controlled buys that we’ve talked about through
    surveillance, through a lot of analysis of phone rec-
    ords and viewing who people are calling and—and
    trying to identify who they’re talking to. Eventually
    we take all of that information and compile an affi-
    davit which lays out our investigation to that point
    and the—the reasons we believe that a wiretap’s
    necessary.
    Q. Okay. And is that a small affidavit, big affida-
    vit? About roughly what’s the average size?
    A. I believe the goal is approximately 50 pages,
    but generally they’re a little longer than that.
    Q. Okay. And so you began to, I take it, you be-
    gan drafting an affidavit?
    A. Yes.
    Q. And you did that in consultation with the
    prosecutor’s office?
    A. Yes.
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    Q. Okay. And is that the D.A.’s Office or the U.S.
    Attorney’s Office?
    A. The U.S. Attorney’s Office.
    ….
    Q. Okay. And so you indicated that a lot of the
    information goes into the affidavit including an
    analysis of phone records and other documents. Do
    you know what a pen register is?
    A. Yes.
    ….
    Q. Okay. Once you draft your affidavit for a
    wiretap, do you submit it to the U.S. Attorney’s Of-
    fice?
    A. Yes.
    Q. And then the U.S. Attorney’s Office has an in-
    ternal approval process?
    A. Right.
    Q. And then that affidavit gets sent off to an-
    other—to be reviewed again?
    A. Yes, it does.
    Q. And ultimately that affidavit has to be ap-
    proved from an official in main justice?
    A. Yes.
    Q. After that is done, the affidavit that you
    drafted, does that get submitted to a judge?
    A. It does, yes.
    Q. Okay. And that’s a federal judge?
    A. Yes.
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    Q. And that affidavit is submitted for review
    along with an order to allow you to wiretap?
    A. Correct.
    ….
    Q. And that was submitted to a federal judge?
    A. It was.
    Q. And a federal judge signed off for court ap-
    proval for a wiretap in that case?
    A. Yes.
    ….
    Q. And as part of your commitment to getting
    the wiretap—Let me back you up.
    When you get a wiretap authorized, that gets
    signed by a federal judge?
    A. Yes, it does.
    Q. And in authorizing the wiretap the federal
    judge makes some requirements of the agents, cor-
    rect?
    A. Yes.
    Q. And one of the requirements is an ongoing re-
    quirement to—to, for the sake of a better word, up-
    date the court?
    A. Yes.
    Q. So approximately how many—During the
    course of a wiretap, you’re required to give updates
    to the court?
    A. Yes, every 10 days.
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    Q. Okay. So every 10 days do you generate a re-
    port?
    A. Yes.
    Q. And that report documents whether—Well,
    what’s in that report generally?
    A. It documents kind of the status of the investi-
    gation, that says what—when did the wiretap go up
    on that phone, if it’s still up. It documents the num-
    ber of calls that have come in and then the number
    of—those that are pertinent or non-pertinent, the
    number that have been minimized or were privi-
    leged. It discusses whether there were errors of the
    monitoring system which might’ve caused us to not
    hear—or for calls not to come into our system.
    Q. So part of the review process is you got to ba-
    sically every 10 days let the Court know that the ma-
    chines are working right, right?
    A. Right.
    Because Gomez did not object to this testimony, our re-
    view is for plain error only. See United States v. McMahan, 
    495 F.3d 410
    , 418 (7th Cir. 2007), vacated in part on other grounds sub
    nom. United States v. Smith, 
    552 U.S. 1091
     (2008). To prevail un-
    der this standard, Gomez “must show (1) error, (2) that is
    plain, (3) that ‘affects substantial rights,’ and (4) that ‘seri-
    ously affect[s] the fairness, integrity or public reputation of
    judicial proceedings.’” 
    Id.
     (alteration in original) (quoting
    United States v. Gray, 
    410 F.3d 338
    , 345 (7th Cir. 2005)).
    Here, the government concedes that there was error and
    that it was plain. Still, we pause for a moment to discuss why
    that is. We explained in United States v. Cunningham that testi-
    mony regarding the many layers of approval by officials at
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    various levels of government required to obtain a wiretap is
    “wholly unrelated to the defendants’ guilt or innocence—and
    not necessary to be established to prove the case against the
    defendants.” 
    462 F.3d 708
    , 712 (7th Cir. 2006) (citing Fed. R.
    Evid. 401 (definition of relevance); and then Fed. R. Evid. 402
    (irrelevant evidence inadmissible)). We summarized our de-
    cision in Cunningham in the following way:
    Over the defendants’ objection at trial, the govern-
    ment recounted a litany of procedures [that] the lo-
    cal U.S. Attorney’s office, the Office of the Attorney
    General, and the Drug Enforcement Administration
    … utilized in seeking court authorization for two tel-
    ephone wiretaps. In doing so, the government wit-
    ness’s testimony suggested to the jury that a panel
    of senior government lawyers in the Office of the At-
    torney General in Washington, D.C. and others in
    law enforcement were of the opinion that there was
    probable cause to believe the defendants were in-
    deed engaging in criminal activity. The admission of
    this irrelevant evidence had the effect of improperly
    bolstering the credibility of the government’s case in
    the eyes of the jury, and the error was not harmless.
    
    Id.
     at 709–10.
    The following year, we passed on the same issue again but
    reached a different, but consistent result. In United States v.
    McMahan, the government impermissibly used bolstering tes-
    timony at trial, but defense counsel did not object. Therefore,
    we reviewed for plain error. 
    495 F.3d at 418
    . We found that
    there was error and it was plain, but that it had not affected
    McMahan’s substantial rights or seriously affected the fair-
    ness, integrity or public reputation of judicial proceedings be-
    cause “evidence of the defendants’ criminal activity was
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    substantial”; “none of the evidence came from the affidavits
    filed in support of the wiretap applications”; and “[t]here was
    no further reference to [the bolstering] testimony.” 
    Id.
    Regarding Gomez’s substantial rights, we reach the same
    conclusion—they were not affected by the error, primarily be-
    cause the evidence against Gomez was truly overwhelming.
    That is, we “can say ‘with fair assurance’ that the judgment
    was not ‘substantially swayed by the error.’” Robinson, 724
    F.3d at 888 (quoting Kotteakos, 
    328 U.S. at 765
    ); see also Greer v.
    United States, 
    141 S. Ct. 2090
    , 2096 (2021) (“[T]here must be ‘a
    reasonable probability that, but for the error, the outcome of
    the proceeding would have been different.’” (quoting Rosales-
    Mireles v. United States, 
    138 S. Ct. 1897
    , 1904–05 (2018))).
    The evidence at trial convincingly demonstrated that
    Gomez was central to the drug-distribution conspiracy. He
    was recorded on numerous phone calls discussing when ship-
    ments would arrive and what drugs they would contain. He
    was recorded answering questions and giving instructions to
    coconspirators. He was captured on pole-camera footage and
    by in-person surveillance preparing cars for transport and
    overseeing the loading of the cars onto carriers. He was rec-
    orded speaking with two people in Mexico about the seizures
    of vehicles across the country containing cash and drugs. And
    he was often responsible for ensuring that customers were
    satisfied by the drugs that he provided to middlemen, like Hi-
    dalgo-Sanchez. When they were not, he would work with the
    middlemen to replace them with higher quality drugs. Fi-
    nally, Banks testified about specific interactions with Gomez,
    deal terms, and the coded language that they would use. In
    fact, the evidence is so substantial in this case that we do not
    even account for all of it in this opinion.
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    Though Gomez failed to meet his burden on the third
    prong of the plain error test, dooming his appeal, we also note
    that he fails on the fourth prong. Despite his assertion that us-
    ing the bolstering evidence “was an intentional effort to ‘back
    door’ the jury and infect ‘the fairness and integrity,’ not only
    of [his] trial, but of justice itself,” there is no evidence of ne-
    farious intent here. (Appellant’s Br. at 19.) Considering the
    strength of the case and the absence of evidence on intent, we
    cannot say that a “miscarriage of justice” occurred. United
    States v. Maez, 
    960 F.3d 949
    , 962 (7th Cir. 2020) (explaining that
    a “miscarriage of justice” is akin to “a substantial risk of con-
    victing an innocent person” (quoting United States v. Paladino,
    
    401 F.3d 471
    , 481 (7th Cir. 2005))).
    Although we find here, as in McMahan, that there was no
    plain error, we are disturbed that the government continues
    to use bolstering evidence in criminal trials. Fifteen years have
    now passed since Cunningham and McMahan, yet it still hap-
    pens.
    Although Gomez had no proof that the government delib-
    erately skirted our rule in this case, we certainly see the po-
    tential for prosecutors to evaluate the risk and reward of bol-
    stering their weak cases with this type of impermissible testi-
    mony. If defense counsel objects, then the government might
    have to try the case again if the trial or appeals court deter-
    mines the error was not harmless. But if the defense does not
    object, then perhaps the government could secure a convic-
    tion by prejudicing the jury, and then evade any consequence
    because of the deferential plain error standard on appeal.
    During oral argument, our concern led us to order the gov-
    ernment to submit a supplemental response addressing cases
    from other circuits regarding the continued introduction of
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    bolstering testimony like the kind at issue here. We asked the
    government to include any case in which the appellate court
    declined to apply the plain-error standard as a remedial tactic.
    The government was able to find only a few cases, and none
    declining to apply the plain-error standard. And in the end,
    we determined that we were bound to continue to employ
    that standard here.
    In closing, we want to be very clear: the use of bolstering
    testimony of the nature used in this case is impermissible and
    it has the potential to damage our criminal courts whenever it
    is used. The responsibility for avoiding this falls squarely on
    the government. At the very least, the government should en-
    sure that its training materials reflect the seriousness of avoid-
    ing this type of conduct. It must also do whatever else is nec-
    essary to ensure this does not happen again.
    Finally, we impart upon the defense bar the importance of
    objecting immediately to the use of this type of testimony.
    While it was not the only difference between Cunningham and
    McMahan, it was a critical difference. As all criminal law at-
    torneys are surely aware, plain error review is, by design, a
    much harder path to reversal than review for harmless error.
    III. CONCLUSION
    For the reasons stated above, we AFFIRM the convictions
    of both Gomez and Hidalgo-Sanchez.