Raul Padilla-Ramirez v. Daniel Bible ( 2018 )


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  •                 FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    RAUL PADILLA-RAMIREZ,                     No. 16-35385
    Plaintiff-Appellant,
    D.C. No.
    v.                     1:16-cv-00127-
    BLW
    DANIEL A. BIBLE; JEH CHARLES
    JOHNSON; JEFFERSON B. SESSIONS
    III, Attorney General; RICK LAYHER,       AMENDED
    Defendants-Appellees.      OPINION
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the District of Idaho
    B. Lynn Winmill, Chief Judge, Presiding
    Argued and Submitted March 13, 2017
    San Francisco, California
    Filed July 6, 2017
    Amended February 15, 2018
    Before: J. Clifford Wallace, M. Margaret McKeown,
    and Jay S. Bybee, Circuit Judges.
    Opinion by Judge Wallace
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    SUMMARY*
    Immigration / Habeas Corpus
    The panel amended an opinion affirming the district
    court’s judgment denying Raul Padilla-Ramirez’s habeas
    corpus petition, in which he sought a custody redetermination
    as he awaits the outcome of administrative proceedings to
    determine whether he has a reasonable fear of returning to his
    native country of El Salvador.
    8 U.S.C. § 1226(a) grants the Attorney General discretion
    to detain an alien pending a decision on whether the alien is
    to be removed from the United States, and permits the
    Attorney General to release the alien on bond or conditional
    parole. Pursuant to 8 C.F.R. § 236.1(d)(1), an initial custody
    determination under section 1226(a) is made by the district
    director, but the detainee may request an additional bond
    hearing before an immigration judge. 8 U.S.C. § 1231(a)
    provides for mandatory detention during a ninety-day
    removal period, and discretionary detention beyond the
    removal period in certain circumstances. However, the bond
    hearing authorized under 8 C.F.R. § 236.1(d)(1) does not
    apply to detentions authorized under section 1231(a).
    Padilla-Ramirez’s entitlement to a bond hearing hinged
    on whether he is detained pursuant to section 1226(a) or
    section 1231(a). The panel held that reinstated removal
    orders are administratively final for detention purposes, and
    that the detention of aliens subject to reinstated removal
    *
    This summary constitutes no part of the opinion of the court. It has
    been prepared by court staff for the convenience of the reader.
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    orders is governed by section 1231(a), rather than section
    1226(a). Padilla-Ramirez was therefore not entitled to a bond
    hearing.
    The panel noted that its decision creates a circuit split
    with the Second Circuit’s decision in Guerra v. Shanahan,
    
    831 F.3d 59
    (2d Cir. 2016).
    COUNSEL
    Maria E. Andrade (argued), Benjamin E. Stein (argued), and
    Christine M. Meeuwsen, Andrade Legal, Boise, Idaho; Matt
    Adams and Glenda M. Aldana Madrid, Northwest Immigrant
    Rights Project, Seattle, Washington; for Plaintiff-Appellant.
    Brian C. Ward (argued), Trial Attorney; Gisela A. Westwater,
    Assistant Director; William C. Peachey, Director; Chad A.
    Readler, Acting Assistant Attorney General; District Court
    Section, Office of Immigration Litigation, United States
    Department of Justice, Washington, D.C.; for Defendants-
    Appellees.
    Marc Van Der Hout and Amalia Wille, Van Der Hout
    Brigagliano & Nightingale LLP, San Francisco, California;
    Trina Realmuto, National Immigration Project fo the National
    Lawyers Guild, Boston, Massachusetts; for Amici Curiae
    National Immigration Project of the National Lawyers Guild,
    Detention Watch Network, Dolores Street Community
    Services, Immigrant Defenders Law Center, and Pangea
    Legal Services.
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    Abigail E. Pringle, Lauren J. Pomeroy, and Jeffry M. Gutkin,
    Cooley LLP, San Francisco, California; Monique R.
    Sherman, Cooley LLP, Palo Alto, California; for Amici
    Curiae Nonoprofit Legal Services Organizations and Co-
    Director of Law School Immigration Clinic.
    OPINION
    WALLACE, Circuit Judge:
    Raul Padilla-Ramirez appeals from the district court’s
    judgment denying his habeas corpus petition, in which he
    seeks a custody redetermination as he awaits the outcome of
    administrative proceedings to determine whether he has a
    reasonable fear of returning to his native country of El
    Salvador. We have jurisdiction pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1291,
    and we affirm.
    I.
    We review the district court’s denial of Padilla-Ramirez’s
    habeas petition de novo. Singh v. Holder, 
    638 F.3d 1196
    ,
    1202 (9th Cir. 2011). We also review questions of statutory
    construction de novo. See Hing Sum v. Holder, 
    602 F.3d 1092
    , 1095 (9th Cir. 2010).
    II.
    The facts of this case are undisputed. In 1999, Padilla-
    Ramirez unlawfully entered the United States without
    applying for admission or parole. When Immigration and
    Customs Enforcement (ICE) initiated removal proceedings
    against him in 2006, Padilla-Ramirez sought to avoid removal
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    by applying for asylum, withholding of removal, and relief
    under the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel,
    Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment
    (Convention). These applications were denied, but the
    immigration judge (IJ) allowed Padilla-Ramirez to depart the
    country voluntarily. In the event that Padilla-Ramirez failed
    to depart timely, the order of voluntary departure would
    become an order of removal.
    Padilla-Ramirez appealed unsuccessfully the IJ’s orders
    to the Board of Immigration Appeals (Board). He managed to
    obtain a sixty-day extension of his voluntary departure
    period, but failed to depart by the deadline. As a result, the
    voluntary departure order was converted into a removal order
    that became effective on January 25, 2009. ICE removed
    Padilla-Ramirez to El Salvador in February 2010.
    In December 2015, ICE discovered that Padilla-Ramirez
    had re-entered the country illegally and was being detained in
    Idaho in connection with a state criminal prosecution. ICE
    promptly reinstated Padilla-Ramirez’s original removal order
    pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1231(a)(5) and, following the
    dismissal of his state charges, took custody of Padilla-
    Ramirez in February 2016. Padilla-Ramirez then asserted that
    he feared returning to El Salvador and was referred to an
    asylum officer for a reasonable fear determination pursuant
    to 8 C.F.R. § 208.31. The asylum officer found that Padilla-
    Ramirez had stated a reasonable fear of persecution or torture
    if he were removed to El Salvador and referred him to an IJ
    to determine whether he is eligible for withholding of
    removal or protection under the Convention. These
    “withholding-only” proceedings are ongoing.
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    Padilla-Ramirez filed the instant habeas petition after the
    IJ denied his request for a bond hearing on grounds that she
    lacked jurisdiction to consider the request. The district court
    denied the petition on substantially the same grounds,
    concluding that Padilla-Ramirez is detained pursuant to a
    provision of the Immigration and Nationality Act (Act) that
    does not allow for bond hearings. Padilla-Ramirez appeals.
    III.
    Our task in this case is to determine which provision of
    the Act governs Padilla-Ramirez’s detention. Padilla-Ramirez
    argues that he is detained pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1226(a),
    which grants the Attorney General discretion to detain an
    alien “pending a decision on whether the alien is to be
    removed from the United States.” 8 U.S.C. § 1226(a)(1).
    That section also permits the Attorney General to release the
    alien on bond or conditional parole. 
    Id. § 1226(a)(2).
    Pursuant to regulations, an initial custody determination
    under section 1226(a) is made by the district director, but the
    detainee may request an additional bond hearing before an IJ.
    8 C.F.R. § 236.1(d)(1). As stated, Padilla-Ramirez requested
    such a bond hearing, but the IJ denied his request.
    Conversely, the government contends that Padilla-
    Ramirez is detained pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1231(a). Section
    1231(a) provides for mandatory detention during a ninety-day
    “removal period,” 
    id. § 1231(a)(2),
    and discretionary
    detention “beyond the removal period” in certain
    circumstances, 
    id. § 1231(a)(6).
    The bond hearing authorized
    under 8 C.F.R. § 236.1(d)(1) does not apply to detentions
    authorized under section 1231(a). Thus, Padilla-Ramirez’s
    entitlement to a bond hearing hinges on whether he is
    detained pursuant to section 1226(a) or section 1231(a).
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    Our decision only addresses Padilla-Ramirez’s
    entitlement to an initial bond hearing under 8 C.F.R. § 236.1.
    We do not address Padilla-Ramirez’s entitlement to a bond
    hearing after prolonged detention. We previously have held
    that “individuals detained under § 1231(a)(6) are entitled to
    the same procedural safeguards against prolonged detention
    as individuals detained under § 1226(a).” Diouf v.
    Napolitano, 
    634 F.3d 1081
    , 1084 (9th Cir. 2011).
    A.
    Our analysis begins with the text of the provisions at
    issue. Am. Tobacco Co. v. Patterson, 
    456 U.S. 63
    , 68 (1982).
    Section 1226(a)’s detention authority applies “pending a
    decision on whether the alien is to be removed from the
    United States.” 8 U.S.C. § 1226(a). By contrast, section
    1231(a) applies during an alien’s “removal period,” 
    id. § 1231(a)(2),
    which begins on the latest of three dates:
    (1) “[t]he date the order of removal becomes administratively
    final”; (2) “[i]f the removal order is judicially reviewed and
    if a court orders a stay of the removal of the alien, the date of
    the court’s final order”; or (3) “[i]f the alien is detained or
    confined (except under an immigration process), the date the
    alien is released from detention or confinement,” 
    id. § 1231(a)(1)(B)(i)–(iii).
    We are concerned here only with the date of
    administrative finality. See 
    id. § 1231(a)(i)(B)(i).
    Although
    Padilla-Ramirez may seek judicial review of an adverse
    decision in his withholding-only proceedings, Andrade-
    Garcia v. Lynch, 
    828 F.3d 829
    , 833 (9th Cir. 2016), that
    review would be confined to the order relating to his
    application for withholding. Likewise, judicial review of any
    challenge by Padilla-Ramirez to the reinstatement order
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    would be “limited to assessing ICE’s determination of the
    factual predicates for reinstatement.”1 Villa-Anguiano v.
    Holder, 
    727 F.3d 873
    , 878 (9th Cir. 2013). The court would
    not review the underlying removal order itself, except
    in circumstances not applicable here. See 8 U.S.C.
    § 1231(a)(5).2 Section 1231(a)(1)(B)(ii) therefore is
    inapplicable. Diouf v. Mukasey, 
    542 F.3d 1222
    , 1230 (9th Cir.
    2008) (holding that “the plain text of” section
    1231(a)(1)(B)(ii) “entail[s] judicial review of a removal
    order”). Section 1231(a)(1)(B)(iii) does not apply either
    because “an immigration process” is the only basis for
    Padilla-Ramirez’s detention. 8 U.S.C. § 1231(a)(1)(B)(iii).
    The question before us, then, is whether Padilla-
    Ramirez’s reinstated removal order is administratively final.
    If it is, then section 1231(a) controls. If not, then section
    1226(a) provides the only authority for detaining him.
    Under the Act, a removal order becomes final “upon the
    earlier of . . . a determination by the Board . . . affirming such
    1
    Padilla-Ramirez did not challenge the factual predicates for
    reinstatement. We do not consider whether such a challenge would trigger
    section 1226.
    2
    We underscore that section 1231(a)(5)’s bar against collateral
    challenges to the underlying removal order is not absolute. “Although
    § 1231(a)(5) limits the scope of judicial review of reinstated removal
    orders, § 1252(a)(2)(D) reinstates this court’s jurisdiction over certain
    constitutional claims and questions of law.” 
    Villa-Anguiano, 727 F.3d at 877
    n.3. This jurisdiction, however, is limited to the narrow circumstance
    in which the alien can show a “gross miscarriage of justice” in the original
    removal proceedings. 
    Id. at 877
    (quoting Garcia de Rincon v. Dep’t of
    Homeland Sec., 
    539 F.3d 1133
    , 1138 (9th Cir. 2008)). We do not consider
    whether a collateral challenge of this type could trigger subsection
    (ii) because the issue is not before us.
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    order . . . or the expiration of the period in which the alien is
    permitted to seek review of such order by the Board.” 
    Id. § 1101(a)(47)(B)(i)–(ii).
    This definition has limited utility in
    the context of reinstated removal orders because the prior
    underlying removal orders cannot be reopened or reviewed,
    except in circumstances not applicable here. 
    Id. § 1231(a)(5);
    see supra note 2. Indeed, we previously have concluded that
    “this statutory definition of finality does not dictate a clear
    answer here because there is no way to appeal the
    reinstatement of a removal order to the [Board].” Ortiz-Alfaro
    v. Holder, 
    694 F.3d 955
    , 958 (9th Cir. 2012). Accordingly,
    we must look elsewhere to determine the statute’s meaning.
    The government urges us to defer to a federal regulation
    which, it contends, answers the question before us. That
    regulation reads: “Execution of the reinstated order of
    removal and detention of the alien shall be administered in
    accordance with this part.” 8 C.F.R. § 241.8(f). “[T]his part”
    refers to Part 241, which contains regulations implementing
    section 1231. On its face, this regulation appears to indicate
    that Padilla-Ramirez is detained pursuant to that section.
    However, the only detention regulation in Part 241 that could
    apply to an alien like Padilla-Ramirez simply states that
    “[o]nce the removal period defined in section 241(a)(1) of the
    Act begins, an alien in the United States will be taken into
    custody pursuant to the warrant of removal.” 
    Id. § 241.3(a).
    This regulation therefore does not answer the question of
    when the removal period begins. Because the regulation does
    not answer the question presented, we will conduct our own
    review of the statute.
    Reinstatement of a removal order is governed by section
    1231(a)(5), which reads as follows:
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    If the Attorney General finds that an alien has
    reentered the United States illegally after
    having been removed or having departed
    voluntarily, under an order of removal, the
    prior order of removal is reinstated from its
    original date and is not subject to being
    reopened or reviewed, the alien is not eligible
    and may not apply for any relief under this
    chapter, and the alien shall be removed under
    the prior order at any time after the reentry.
    8 U.S.C. § 1231(a)(5). This provision indicates, in two ways,
    that a reinstated removal order is administratively final. First,
    a removal order undoubtedly is administratively final when
    it first is executed; if it is reinstated from its original date, it
    stands to reason that it retains the same administrative finality
    because section 1231(a)(5) proscribes any challenge that
    might affect the status of the underlying removal order.
    Second, the reinstatement provision is located in the same
    section of the Act, tellingly entitled “Detention and removal
    of aliens ordered removed,” 
    id. § 1231
    (emphasis added), as
    the detention authority that the government claims in this
    case. This placement suggests that Congress meant for the
    detention of aliens subject to reinstated removal orders to be
    governed by that section, which would require that such
    orders be administratively final. The fact that the
    reinstatement provision appears among section 1231(a)’s
    detention and supervision provisions further bolsters this
    inference. 
    Id. § 1231(a)(2)–(3),
    (6).
    Notwithstanding section 1231(a)(5)’s mandatory
    language, it offers some leeway with respect to withholding-
    only proceedings. 
    Andrade-Garcia, 828 F.3d at 831
    . Such
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    proceedings are an exception to the general prohibition
    against seeking relief from removal pursuant to a reinstated
    order. See 8 C.F.R. § 241.8(e). Furthermore, the Department
    of Homeland Security likely “cannot execute the reinstated
    removal order until the reasonable fear and withholding of
    removal proceedings are complete.” Luna-Garcia v. Holder,
    
    777 F.3d 1182
    , 1183 (10th Cir. 2015), citing 8 C.F.R.
    §§ 208.1(a), 208.5(a). This removal moratorium would
    override section 1231(a)(5)’s command that “the alien shall
    be removed under the prior order at any time after the
    reentry.” 8 U.S.C. § 1231(a)(5) (emphasis added). It is thus
    clear that some aspects of section 1231(a)(5) do not apply
    with full force to an alien involved in withholding-only
    proceedings.
    Withholding-only proceedings do not, however, purport
    to override section 1231(a)(5)’s prohibition on reopening or
    reviewing a prior removal order. See 
    Ortiz-Alfaro, 694 F.3d at 958
    (stating that a grant or denial of withholding would
    “have no effect on the reinstatement of [the] removal order”
    at issue in that case). At most, a grant of withholding will
    only inhibit the order’s execution with respect to a particular
    country. Even if Padilla-Ramirez were to prevail on his
    application, he still would be subject to removal pursuant to
    the reinstated order—the government simply would have to
    seek an alternate country to receive him. See 8 U.S.C.
    § 1231(b)(2); Lanza v. Ashcroft, 
    389 F.3d 917
    , 933 (9th Cir.
    2004) (acknowledging that withholding relief “only prohibits
    removal of the [alien] to the country of risk, but does not
    prohibit removal to a non-risk country” (quoting Castellano-
    Chacon v. INS, 
    341 F.3d 533
    , 545 (6th Cir. 2003))). The
    removal order itself therefore is not at issue in the
    withholding-only proceedings, meaning that those
    proceedings cannot diminish or otherwise affect its finality.
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    Because Padilla-Ramirez’s reinstated removal order remains
    administratively final, he is detained pursuant to section
    1231(a).
    B.
    Section 1226(a), which applies only while “a decision on
    whether the alien is to be removed from the United States” is
    “pending,” 8 U.S.C. § 1226(a), is not to the contrary because
    such a decision is not pending in Padilla-Ramirez’s
    withholding-only proceedings. The decision to be made in
    those proceedings is not whether he is to be removed from the
    United States, but merely whether he may be removed to El
    Salvador. This narrow question of to where an alien may be
    removed is distinct from the broader question of whether the
    alien may be removed; indeed, the former inquiry requires
    that the latter already have been resolved in the affirmative.
    The fact that the government may still remove Padilla-
    Ramirez, albeit to an alternate country, even if he is granted
    withholding confirms that the decision identified in section
    1226(a) has already been made—he is “to be removed from
    the United States.” 
    Id. (emphasis added).
    That decision
    therefore is not pending, meaning that section 1226(a) cannot
    apply. The fact that Padilla-Ramirez may seek further
    withholding relief if he prevails on his present application
    does not change this conclusion since the pending decision in
    such hypothetical proceedings always will be whether he can
    be removed to a particular country, which does not implicate
    section 1226(a).
    In this respect, Zadvydas v. Davis, 
    533 U.S. 678
    (2001),
    is instructive. There, an alien (Zadvydas) had been ordered
    removed and was detained pursuant to section 1231(a). See
    
    id. at 683–84.
    As it turned out, none of the available countries
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    of removal were willing to accept him. 
    Id. at 684.
    Zadvydas
    then challenged his continuing detention, which appeared at
    that point to be potentially permanent. 
    Id. at 684–85.
    The
    Supreme Court, relying on the canon of constitutional
    avoidance, held that the government’s detention authority
    under section 1231(a) terminates “once removal is no longer
    reasonably foreseeable.” 
    Id. at 699.
    But even in such a
    circumstance, section 1231(a) still controls: although the
    government cannot detain the alien, the alien is subject to
    supervision under section 1231(a)(3). See 
    id. at 696.
    Like Zadvydas, Padilla-Ramirez is subject to an order of
    removal that is, by all appearances, administratively final.
    Like Zadvydas, the only obstacles to Padilla-Ramirez’s
    removal from the United States are potential individualized
    determinations that he cannot be removed to specific
    countries. There is an obvious distinction between the two
    cases in that those determinations may be made in domestic
    administrative proceedings in Padilla-Ramirez’s case,
    whereas Zadvydas was made unremovable by virtue of other
    countries’ refusals to accept him. However, the touchstone of
    section 1226 is the nature of the decision to be made, not the
    identity of the decision-maker, and the decision to be made in
    this case is the same as in Zadvydas: whether Padilla-
    Ramirez’s removal order may be executed with respect to
    particular countries. The fact that Zadvydas was detained
    pursuant to section 1231(a) even while the government cycled
    through the list of possible removal countries indicates that
    such country-specific determinations are not “decision[s] on
    whether the alien is to be removed from the United States.”
    8 U.S.C. § 1226(a). Accordingly, section 1226(a) has no
    application here.
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    C.
    Padilla-Ramirez argues that we are foreclosed from
    holding that section 1231(a) governs his detention because we
    have already decided that reinstated removal orders are not
    final during the pendency of withholding-only proceedings.
    In Ortiz-Alfaro v. Holder, an alien subject to a reinstated
    removal order sought to challenge a federal regulation
    governing withholding-only proceedings because it prevented
    him from applying for 
    asylum. 694 F.3d at 956
    . At the time
    he filed his petition for review, however, his withholding-
    only proceedings were still ongoing. 
    Id. at 957.
    We held that
    we lacked jurisdiction to review the petition because the
    reinstated removal order would not become “final” for
    purposes of judicial review pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1252(a)(1)
    until the alien’s withholding-only proceedings concluded. 
    Id. at 957–58.
    At first blush, Ortiz-Alfaro appears to support Padilla-
    Ramirez’s position. But the case is readily distinguishable
    because its holding rested on the canon of constitutional
    avoidance. We acknowledged that there were “compelling
    arguments in favor of finding that [the alien’s] reinstated
    removal order [wa]s final,” but observed that such a
    conclusion “would make it impossible for [the alien] to
    timely petition for review of any IJ decisions denying him
    relief or finding that he does not have a reasonable fear.” 
    Id. at 958.
    Because this “could raise serious constitutional
    concerns,” we decided that the reinstated order would not
    become final for judicial review purposes until the conclusion
    of the alien’s withholding-only proceedings. 
    Id. Holding that
    Padilla-Ramirez’s reinstated order is
    administratively final for detention purposes poses no such
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    constitutional difficulty, so the avoidance canon need not
    dictate the outcome here. In such a situation, the normal
    presumption that a particular word has the same meaning in
    different parts of a statute can give way if the provision at
    issue points toward a different meaning. See Sun v. Ashcroft,
    
    370 F.3d 932
    , 939–40 (9th Cir. 2004). As explained above,
    the text and structure of the Act indicate that Congress
    intended for section 1231(a) to govern detention of aliens
    subject to reinstated removal orders. Ortiz-Alfaro therefore
    does not control the outcome of this case.
    Our recent decision in Ayala v. Sessions, 
    855 F.3d 1012
    (9th Cir. 2017), is no different. That case came to us in a
    somewhat problematic procedural posture. After the
    government reinstated the alien’s expedited order of removal,
    she expressed a fear of returning to Guatemala. 
    Id. at 1016.
    An asylum officer determined that she had not stated a
    reasonable fear of persecution or torture, and an IJ affirmed
    the officer’s conclusion. 
    Id. The alien
    then moved to reopen
    and reconsider that decision, which the IJ denied. 
    Id. at 1017.
    The denial order indicated that it was final unless appealed to
    the Board within thirty days. 
    Id. So the
    alien appealed to the
    Board, but the Board lacked jurisdiction to review the appeal
    and dismissed it on that basis. 
    Id. The alien
    then petitioned
    for review in this court. 
    Id. We faced
    a jurisdictional dilemma. Although the petition
    had been filed within four days of the Board’s dismissal of
    the alien’s appeal, more than thirty days had elapsed since the
    IJ’s denial of the motion to reopen. 
    Id. Thus, whether
    we had
    jurisdiction depended on which of the two orders constituted
    a “final order” for purposes of judicial review. See 8 U.S.C.
    § 1252(b)(1). We held that the Board’s dismissal of the
    alien’s appeal was the final order for three reasons, two of
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    which are relevant here. First, because the IJ’s denial of the
    motion to reopen effectively (and misleadingly) instructed her
    to appeal to the Board, administrative proceedings did not
    conclude until the Board issued its order. 
    Ayala, 855 F.3d at 1019
    . Second, holding that the IJ’s denial was the final order
    would have cost the alien her only opportunity for judicial
    review of the adverse reasonable fear determination. 
    Id. Citing Ortiz-Alfaro,
    we reiterated that we generally will not
    “apply[] rules in a manner that effects such a total deprivation
    of judicial review.” 
    Id. (The third
    reason involved a practical
    concern about delays caused by appeals that the Board
    undisputably lacks jurisdiction to review, which does not bear
    on this case. 
    Id. at 1019–20.)
    Ayala tracks Ortiz-Alfaro in all important respects, as
    both cases addressed the finality of reinstated orders for
    purposes of judicial review and were decided in large part to
    preserve the petitioners’ ability to obtain such review. Our
    statement in Ayala that “a removal order is considered final
    only when ‘all administrative proceedings have concluded,’”
    
    id. at 1019,
    quoting Abdisalan v. Holder, 
    774 F.3d 517
    , 526
    (9th Cir. 2014) (en banc), as amended (Jan. 6, 2015), broke
    no new ground. Ortiz-Alfaro stands for the same
    proposition—that a reinstated removal order is not “final” for
    judicial-review purposes until the relevant administrative
    proceedings conclude. The question in Ayala was simply at
    what point those proceedings had ended. Accordingly, Ayala
    offers no more support than Ortiz-Alfaro for adopting Padilla-
    Ramirez’s preferred interpretation of finality in the detention
    context.
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    D.
    We are not the first federal appellate court to consider this
    issue. In Guerra v. Shanahan, 
    831 F.3d 59
    (2d Cir. 2016), the
    Second Circuit, guided by the text of section 1226(a) and
    circuit precedents, held that an alien subject to a reinstated
    removal order is detained pursuant to section 1226(a) during
    withholding-only proceedings. 
    Id. at 62–64.
    This holding, of
    course, is contrary to our conclusion that section 1231(a)
    applies to aliens like Padilla-Ramirez. Although we are wary
    to create a circuit split, we must part company with our sister
    circuit here.
    For the reasons already explained, we respectfully
    disagree with the Second Circuit’s reading of section 1226(a).
    In concluding that “the purpose of withholding-only
    proceedings is to determine precisely whether ‘the alien is to
    be removed from the United States,’” 
    id. at 62,
    quoting 8
    U.S.C. § 1226(a), the court did not paint with a fine enough
    brush. The purpose of such proceedings instead is to
    determine whether the alien is to be removed to a particular
    country (in Padilla-Ramirez’s case, El Salvador). No judge,
    agency, or court will be called upon to decide whether
    Padilla-Ramirez may be “removed from the United States.”
    8 U.S.C. § 1226(a) (emphasis added). Even if the cumulative
    effect of the government’s removal efforts is that he cannot
    be removed from the country—which is entirely speculative
    at this point—he would be no different than the alien in
    Zadvydas.
    The cases cited by the Second Circuit do not convince us
    otherwise. First, the court attempted to draw an analogy to
    asylum-only proceedings, whereby an alien obtains entry to
    the country by waiving his right to challenge removal except
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    by applying for asylum. 
    Guerra, 831 F.3d at 63
    & n.2, citing
    Kanacevic v. INS, 
    448 F.3d 129
    (2d Cir. 2006). In Kanacevic,
    the Second Circuit held that it had jurisdiction to review a
    denial of asylum notwithstanding the absence of a “final
    order of removal,” 8 U.S.C. § 1252(a)(1), because such a
    denial “is the functional equivalent of a removal order” in
    asylum-only proceedings, 
    Kanacevic, 448 F.3d at 134
    –35.
    The implication in Guerra is that the denial of withholding in
    withholding-only proceedings is likewise the “functional
    equivalent” of a final removal order.
    Far from supporting the Second Circuit’s analogy,
    Kanacevic underscores a critical distinction between asylum-
    only proceedings and withholding-only proceedings: in the
    former, the denial of asylum is the order of removal.
    Consequently, there can be no removal order, final or
    otherwise, until the alien’s claim for relief is resolved. Not so
    in withholding-only proceedings, where a final removal order
    has been not only entered but executed by the time a
    withholding-only claim is made. Also, in contrast to
    withholding-only proceedings, the removal order itself is at
    issue in asylum-only proceedings, as evidenced by the fact
    that the order (i.e., denial of asylum) is subject to judicial
    review. See 
    id. Finally, Kanacevic,
    like Ortiz-Alfaro and
    Ayala, addressed finality for judicial-review purposes and
    was motivated, at least in part, to ensure the availability of
    such review. 
    Id. at 135
    (“Were we to . . . hold[] that the
    disposition of asylum-only proceedings does not function as
    a final order of removal . . . , we would create uncertainty
    over exactly what procedure a Visa Waiver applicant could
    pursue in order to obtain review of his or her asylum
    proceedings in the Courts of Appeals”). Kanacevic therefore
    is a poor fit in helping to decide this case.
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    The second case relied on by the Second Circuit, Chupina
    v. Holder, 
    570 F.3d 99
    (2d Cir. 2009), stands only for the
    unremarkable proposition that a removal order does not
    become final for purposes of judicial review until all of an
    alien’s claims for relief made during his original removal
    proceedings are resolved. 
    Id. at 103,
    citing 8 U.S.C.
    § 1101(a)(47)(B)(i), (ii); see also 
    Abdisalan, 774 F.3d at 526
    .
    That principle does not answer the question of what effect a
    new claim for relief has after a final removal order has been
    entered, executed, and immunized from reopening or review.
    See 8 U.S.C. § 1231(a)(5). Indeed, Chupina’s holding—that
    a denial of asylum was not a final removal order because the
    Board had remanded the alien’s other claims for
    relief—rested largely on the court’s recognition that the
    original removal order would be in flux until the IJ and Board
    resolved the remanded 
    claims. 570 F.3d at 103
    . As discussed
    above, a grant of withholding in Padilla-Ramirez’s case will
    “in no way implicate[] the underlying . . . removal order.”
    
    Ayala, 855 F.3d at 1018
    . Chupina’s reliance on the Act’s
    definition of a final removal 
    order, 570 F.3d at 103
    , which
    “does not dictate a clear answer” in the reinstatement context,
    
    Ortiz-Alfaro, 694 F.3d at 958
    , further distances that case from
    the one before us. As a result, Chupina cannot bear the
    weight that the Second Circuit has placed on it.
    Finally, the Second Circuit fell back on “principles of
    administrative law” to reject the “tiers of finality” that the
    government urges in this case. 
    Guerra, 831 F.3d at 63
    (internal quotation marks omitted). The Second Circuit is
    correct that only an agency action marking “the
    consummation of the agency’s decisionmaking process”
    qualifies as final agency action. 
    Id., quoting U.S.
    Army Corps
    of Eng’rs v. Hawkes Co., — U.S. —, 
    136 S. Ct. 1807
    , 1813
    (2016). But its conclusion that no such consummation exists
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    while withholding-only proceedings are ongoing again
    misunderstands the decision at stake in those proceedings.
    The agency already decided that Padilla-Ramirez “is to be
    removed from the United States,” 8 U.S.C. § 1226(a), and a
    different, more limited decision is now pending in his
    withholding-only proceedings—namely, whether he may be
    removed to El Salvador. The agency has consummated its
    decision-making regarding the first issue, but not the second.
    It therefore is consonant with settled administrative legal
    principles to hold that Padilla-Ramirez’s reinstated removal
    order (i.e., the agency’s decision that he “is to be removed
    from the United States,” id.) is final for detention purposes
    even though it lacks finality for purposes of judicial review of
    his withholding-only claim.
    IV.
    As a general rule, “we decline to create a circuit split
    unless there is a compelling reason to do so.” Kelton Arms
    Condo. Owners Ass’n, Inc. v. Homestead Ins. Co., 
    346 F.3d 1190
    , 1192 (9th Cir. 2003). This is especially true where the
    rules at issue “are best applied uniformly.” 
    Id. The Immigration
    and Nationality Act, a comprehensive federal
    scheme that requires a nationally unified administration
    program, certainly falls into this category. While this
    consideration ordinarily would counsel in favor of adopting
    the Second Circuit’s resolution of the issue before us, we
    believe that the legislative intent on this point is in clear
    opposition to that resolution. By its terms, section 1231(a)(5)
    inoculates the prior removal orders underlying reinstatement
    orders against any challenge, and withholding-only
    proceedings do not override that proscription. Our own
    decisions in Ortiz-Alfaro and Ayala, which addressed finality
    for judicial-review purposes and turned principally on
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    avoiding a construction that would severely inhibit or
    eliminate that review, are not controlling in the detention
    context. Nor are we persuaded by the Second Circuit’s
    analysis in reaching the opposite conclusion in Guerra. So
    even though it may create discord in our immigration system,
    we must give effect to Congress’s purpose as we understand
    it. The judgment of the district court is affirmed. If uniformity
    is required, we are content to leave it to the Supreme Court to
    harmonize the resulting split of authority.
    AFFIRMED.