Antonio Islas-Veloz v. Matthew Whitaker ( 2019 )


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  •                      FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    ANTONIO ISLAS-VELOZ, AKA                           No. 15-73120
    Antonio Islas,
    Petitioner,                   Agency No.
    A060-299-672
    v.
    MATTHEW G. WHITAKER, Acting                          OPINION
    Attorney General,
    Respondent.
    On Petition for Review of an Order of the
    Board of Immigration Appeals
    Submitted August 27, 2018*
    Seattle, Washington
    Filed February 4, 2019
    Before: Michael Daly Hawkins, M. Margaret McKeown,
    and William A. Fletcher, Circuit Judges.
    Opinion by Judge McKeown;
    Concurrence by Judge W. Fletcher
    *
    The panel unanimously concludes this case is suitable for decision
    without oral argument. See Fed. R. App. P. 34(a)(2).
    2                   ISLAS-VELOZ V. WHITAKER
    SUMMARY**
    Immigration
    Denying Antonio Islas-Veloz’s petition for review of a
    decision of the Board of Immigration Appeals, the panel held
    that Supreme Court and circuit precedent required rejecting
    Islas-Veloz’s contentions that: 1) the phrase “crime involving
    moral turpitude” was unconstitutionally vague; and 2) his
    conviction for communication with a minor for immoral
    purposes in violation of Revised Code of Washington
    § 9.68A.090 is not categorically a crime of moral turpitude.
    The panel concluded that, in assessing the constitutional
    status of the phrase “crime involving moral turpitude,” it
    remains bound by the Supreme Court’s decision in Jordan v.
    De George, 
    341 U.S. 223
    (1951), in which the Court held that
    the phrase “crime involving moral turpitude” was not
    unconstitutionally vague. The panel also explained that
    Court’s more recent decisions in Johnson v. United States,
    
    135 S. Ct. 2551
    (2015), and Sessions v. Dimaya, 
    138 S. Ct. 1204
    (2018), did not reopen inquiry into the constitutionality
    of the phrase. The panel further observed that this court has
    repeatedly echoed the holding in De George, noting that the
    court recently held in Martinez-De Ryan v. Sessions, 
    895 F.3d 1191
    (9th Cir. 2018), that the phrase is not unconstitutionally
    vague.
    The panel also concluded that this court’s precedent
    foreclosed Islas-Veloz’s alternate claim that his conviction
    **
    This summary constitutes no part of the opinion of the court. It has
    been prepared by court staff for the convenience of the reader.
    ISLAS-VELOZ V. WHITAKER                   3
    for communicating with a minor for immoral purposes is not
    a crime of moral turpitude.
    Concurring, Judge W. Fletcher wrote that the Supreme
    Court’s recent decisions in Johnson and Dimaya should lead
    the panel, were it not bound by this court’s precedent in
    Martinez-De Ryan, to conclude that the phrase “crime of
    moral turpitude” is unconstitutionally vague when used as a
    basis for the removal of a noncitizen. Observing that this
    circuit acknowledges a distinction between fraud and non-
    fraud crimes involving moral turpitude, Judge W. Fletcher
    wrote that non-fraud cases comprise the great bulk of crimes
    involving moral turpitude today and that the definition of
    non-fraud crimes involving moral turpitude is hopelessly and
    irredeemably vague.
    COUNSEL
    Manuel Rios, Rios & Cruz P.S., Seattle, Washington, for
    Petitioner.
    Laura M.L. Maroldy, Trial Attorney; John S. Hogan,
    Assistant Director; Office of Immigration Litigation, Civil
    Division, United States Department of Justice, Washington,
    D.C.; for Respondent.
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    OPINION
    McKEOWN, Circuit Judge:
    Antonio Islas-Veloz petitions for review of a final order
    of removal following the dismissal of his appeal by the Board
    of Immigration Appeals (“BIA”). We conclude that Supreme
    Court and circuit precedents require us to deny the petition.
    Islas-Veloz was convicted of communication with a
    minor for immoral purposes in violation of Revised Code of
    Washington (“RCW”) § 9.68A.090. An immigration judge
    found that Islas-Veloz’s conviction constituted a crime
    involving moral turpitude committed within five years of
    admission to the United States and found him removable on
    that basis. See 8 U.S.C. § 1227(a)(2)(A)(i). The BIA
    dismissed Islas-Veloz’s appeal, ruling that communication
    with a minor for immoral purposes in violation of RCW
    § 9.68A.090 was categorically a crime involving moral
    turpitude.
    Islas-Veloz argues that the phrase “crime involving moral
    turpitude” is unconstitutionally vague in light of the Supreme
    Court’s decisions in Johnson v. United States, 
    135 S. Ct. 2551
    (2015), and Sessions v. Dimaya, 
    138 S. Ct. 1204
    (2018). In
    the alternative, he claims that the crime of “communication
    with [a] minor for immoral purposes” in violation of RCW
    § 9.68A.090 is not categorically a crime of moral turpitude,
    and hence that his final order of removal is invalid.
    In assessing the constitutional status of the phrase “crime
    involving moral turpitude,” we remain bound by the Supreme
    Court’s decision in Jordan v. De George, 
    341 U.S. 223
    (1951). In De George, the Court held that the phrase “crime
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    involving moral turpitude” was not unconstitutionally vague.
    
    Id. at 231–32.
    The Court’s more recent decisions in Johnson
    and Dimaya did not reopen inquiry into the constitutionality
    of the phrase. Notably, Dimaya acknowledged that the Court
    in De George had “ultimately uph[e]ld” the phrase “crime
    involving moral turpitude” against an unconstitutional
    vagueness attack. 
    Dimaya, 138 S. Ct. at 1213
    .
    We have repeatedly echoed the holding that the Supreme
    Court laid down in De George. In Tseung Chu v. Cornell, we
    cited De George in ruling that the phrase “crime involving
    moral turpitude” was constitutional. 
    247 F.2d 929
    , 938–39
    (9th Cir. 1957). More recently, in Martinez-De Ryan v.
    Sessions, we again held that the phrase is not
    unconstitutionally vague. 
    895 F.3d 1191
    , 1194 (9th Cir.
    2018); see also Olivas-Motta v. Whitaker, 
    910 F.3d 1271
    ,
    1281 (9th Cir. 2018). De Ryan explicitly addressed Sessions
    v. Dimaya, explaining that the Supreme Court’s opinion in
    that case did not change the constitutional status of the
    phrase. 
    See 895 F.3d at 1193
    –94. As the concurrence
    acknowledges, our precedent cannot be read differently.
    Islas-Veloz’s alternate claim that communicating with a
    minor for immoral purposes is not a crime of moral turpitude
    is foreclosed by our decision in Morales v. Gonzales,
    
    478 F.3d 972
    (9th Cir. 2007), abrogated on other grounds in
    Anaya-Ortiz v. Holder, 
    594 F.3d 673
    , 677–78 (9th Cir. 2010).
    In Morales, we “conclude[d] that [a] conviction for
    communication with a minor for immoral purposes”
    constitutes a crime of moral turpitude. 
    Id. at 978.
    We
    elaborated: “The full range of conduct prohibited by section
    9.68A.090 of the Revised Code of Washington categorically
    constitutes a crime involving moral turpitude.” 
    Id. 6 ISLAS-VELOZ
    V. WHITAKER
    Apart from any ongoing debate about the degree of
    ambiguity inherent in the phrase “crime involving moral
    turpitude,” these precedents are directly on point, bind us
    here, and foreclose Islas-Veloz’s arguments.
    PETITION DENIED.
    W. FLETCHER, Circuit Judge, concurring:
    We are bound by our court’s precedent in Martinez-De
    Ryan v. Whitaker, 
    909 F.3d 247
    (9th Cir. 2018), and I
    therefore concur in the panel’s opinion. However, I write
    separately because the Supreme Court’s recent decisions in
    Johnson v. United States, 
    135 S. Ct. 2551
    (2015), and
    Sessions v. Dimaya, 
    138 S. Ct. 1204
    (2018), should lead us,
    were we not bound, to conclude that the phrase “crime of
    moral turpitude” is unconstitutionally vague when used as the
    basis for removal of a noncitizen.           See 8 U.S.C.
    § 1227(a)(2)(A)(i)-(ii).
    I. “Moral Turpitude” in Immigration Law
    The Immigration and Nationality Act (“INA”) imposes
    severe penalties on noncitizens convicted of a “crime
    involving moral turpitude” (“CIMT”). See 8 U.S.C.
    §§ 1182(a)(2)(A) (inadmissibility), 1227(a)(2)(A)(i)-(ii)
    (removal), 1229b(b)(1)(C) (ineligibility for cancellation of
    removal and adjustment of status).                    Section
    1227(a)(2)(A)(i)–(ii) renders removable any noncitizen who
    is (a) convicted of a “crime involving moral turpitude” within
    five years of entry for which a sentence of one year or more
    is imposed or, (b) convicted of any two “crimes involving
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    moral turpitude” at any time after entry, regardless of
    sentence length or type. The noncitizen is also ineligible for
    cancellation of removal. 8 U.S.C. § 1229b(b)(1)(C).
    “[R]emoval is a virtual certainty” no matter how long an
    individual may have previously resided in the United States.
    
    Dimaya, 138 S. Ct. at 1211
    .
    In recent years, the United States has deported many tens
    of thousands of noncitizens under § 1227(a)(2)(A) after
    having been convicted of CIMTs. See Transactional Records
    Access Clearinghouse, Individuals Charged with Moral
    Turpitude in Immigration Court, SYRACUSE UNIV. (last
    accessed Dec. 21, 2018), http://trac.syr.edu/immigration/re
    ports/moral_turp.html (collecting data that shows that from
    1996-2006 the United States brought removal proceedings
    against over 135,000 noncitizens for “crimes involving moral
    turpitude”); Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse,
    Immigration Court Post-Trump Cases: Latest Data,
    S YRACUSE U NIV ., tbl. 6 (March 21, 2017),
    http://trac.syr.edu/immigration/reports/462/ (collecting data
    from 2012 to 2017).
    The term “moral turpitude” first appeared in federal
    immigration law in 1891, when Congress barred entry to
    persons “who have been convicted of a felony or other
    infamous crime or misdemeanor involving moral turpitude.”
    Act of Mar. 3, 1891, ch. 551, 26 Stat. 1084. Sixteen years
    later, “Congress expanded the class of excluded persons to
    include individuals who ‘admit’ to having committed a crime
    of moral turpitude.” Padilla v. Kentucky, 
    559 U.S. 356
    , 361
    n.2 (2010) (citing Act of Feb. 20, 1907, ch. 1134, § 2, 34 Stat.
    899.). Ten years later, in the Immigration Act of 1917,
    Congress “rendered deportable” noncitizens who are
    “sentenced to imprisonment for a term of one year or more
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    because of conviction in this country of a crime involving
    moral turpitude, committed within five years” of entry and
    “noncitizen recidivists who commit two or more crimes of
    moral turpitude at any time after entry.” 
    Id. at 361
    (citing
    Immigration Act of 1917, ch. 29, §19, 39 Stat. 889). The
    INA, enacted in 1952 and amended thereafter, included these
    same penalties. In none of those statutes has Congress
    defined the term “moral turpitude.” 
    Id. II. Void
    for Vagueness
    In two recent cases, the Supreme Court has revitalized the
    void-for-vagueness doctrine in both criminal and civil cases.
    First, in Johnson v. United States, 
    135 S. Ct. 2551
    (2015),
    the Court upheld a vagueness challenge to a provision of the
    Armed Career Criminal Act (“ACCA”). Federal criminal law
    prohibits convicted felons from possessing firearms.
    18 U.S.C. § 922(g). If a felon convicted under § 922(g) has
    previously been convicted of three or more “serious drug
    offenses” or “violent felonies,” the ACCA increases the
    prison term by a minimum of fifteen years and a maximum of
    life. 
    Id. at §
    924(e)(1). The ACCA defines “violent felony”
    as a crime punishable by a term exceeding a year that
    (i) either has as an element the actual, attempted or threatened
    use of force or (ii) “is burglary, arson, or extortion, involves
    the use of explosives, or otherwise involves conduct that
    presents a serious risk of physical injury to another.” 
    Id. at §
    924(e)(2)(B) (emphasis added). The italicized language is
    the ACCA’s “residual clause.”
    In an opinion by Justice Scalia, the Court held the residual
    clause unconstitutionally vague. The Court wrote, “Two
    features of the residual clause conspire to make it
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    unconstitutionally vague.” 
    Johnson, 135 S. Ct. at 2557
    .
    First, the clause “leaves grave uncertainty about how to
    estimate the risk posed by a crime.” 
    Id. Second, the
    clause
    “leaves uncertainty about how much risk it takes for a crime
    to qualify as a violent felony.” 
    Id. at 2558.
    The combination
    produced “more unpredictability and arbitrariness than the
    Due Process Clause tolerates.” 
    Id. at 2557.
    The Court described, and lamented, four recent cases in
    which it had reached disparate results under the ACCA
    residual clause: “[T]his Court’s repeated attempts and
    repeated failures to craft a principled and objective standard
    out of the residual clause confirm its hopeless
    indeterminancy.” 
    Id. at 2558.
    The Court pointed out that, in
    addition to its own disparate results, the residual clause had
    “‘created numerous splits among the lower federal courts,’
    where it has proved ‘nearly impossible to apply
    consistently.’” 
    Id. at 2559–60
    (quoting Chambers v. United
    States, 
    555 U.S. 122
    , 133 (2009) (Alito, J., concurring in
    judgment)). The Court concluded:
    Nine years’ experience trying to derive
    meaning from the residual clause convinces us
    that we have embarked upon a failed
    enterprise. . . . Invoking so shapeless a
    provision to condemn someone to prison for
    fifteen years to life does not comport with the
    Constitution’s guarantee of due process.
    
    Id. at 2560.
    Second, in Sessions v. Dimaya, 
    138 S. Ct. 1204
    (2018),
    the Court upheld a vagueness challenge to a provision of the
    INA. The INA renders deportable (or “removable”) a
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    noncitizen convicted of an “aggravated felony” committed
    after entering the United States.                 8 U.S.C.
    § 1227(a)(2)(A)(iii). The noncitizen is also ineligible, by
    virtue of the aggravated felony, for cancellation of removal.
    See 
    id. §§ 1229b(a)(3),
    (b)(1)(C). The INA defines
    “aggravated felony” to include a felony “that, by its nature,
    involves a substantial risk that physical force against the
    person or property of another may be used in the course of
    committing the offense.” 8 U.S.C. § 16(b). The language
    just quoted is the INA’s “residual clause.”
    Justice Kagan, writing for the Court, held the INA’s
    residual clause unconstitutionally vague: “Section 16’s
    residual clause violates [the] promise [of the due process
    clause] in just the same way” as the residual clause of the
    ACCA held unconstitutional in Johnson. 
    Dimaya, 138 S. Ct. at 1215
    . “The result is that § 16(b) produces, just as ACCA’s
    residual clause did, ‘more unpredictability and arbitrariness
    than the Due Process Clause tolerates.’” 
    Id. at 1216
    (quoting
    
    Johnson, 135 S. Ct. at 2558
    ).
    Writing for a plurality of four, Justice Kagan
    acknowledged that “removal of an alien is a civil matter.” 
    Id. at 1213.
    She nonetheless applied the same test to the INA the
    Court had applied to the ACCA in Johnson. “[W]e long ago
    held that the most exacting vagueness standard should apply
    in removal cases.” 
    Id. (citing Jordan
    v. De George, 
    341 U.S. 223
    , 229 (1951)). She continued, “Nothing in the ensuing
    years calls that reasoning into question. To the contrary, this
    Court has reiterated that deportation is ‘a particularly severe
    penalty,’ which may be of greater concern to a convicted
    alien than ‘any potential jail sentence.’” 
    Id. (quoting Jae
    Lee
    v. United States, 
    137 S. Ct. 1958
    , 1968 (2017)). Justice
    Gorsuch did not join the portion of Justice Kagan’s opinion
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    justifying the application of the “most exacting vagueness
    standard” in removal cases. He wrote separately, agreeing
    that the “exacting vagueness standard” should apply in
    removal cases, but indicating he would apply it in civil cases
    more broadly. 
    Id. at 1231
    (Gorsuch, J., concurring).
    Combining Justice Kagan’s and Justice Gorsuch’s opinions,
    a majority of the Court concluded that the “exacting
    vagueness standard” applicable in criminal cases applies, at
    the very least, in removal cases under the INA.
    III. Vagueness of “Crime Involving Moral Turpitude”
    A. Jordan v. De George
    Almost seventy years ago in Jordan v. De George,
    
    341 U.S. 223
    (1951), the Supreme Court upheld a deportation
    order under the Immigration Act of 1917, based on
    convictions for crimes involving moral turpitude. De George
    was an Italian citizen who had lived continuously in the
    United States for twenty-nine years, and who had been twice
    convicted of fraudulently avoiding federal taxes on “distilled
    spirits.” De 
    George, 341 U.S. at 224
    –25. The Court of
    Appeals for the Seventh Circuit held that tax fraud was not a
    CIMT and set aside the deportation order. 
    Id. at 226.
    The
    Supreme Court reversed, holding that fraud was a CIMT and
    upholding the deportation.
    The Court wrote that “[t]he question of vagueness was not
    raised by the parties nor argued before this Court,” 
    id. at 229,
    but it addressed the question anyway, in response to three
    dissenting justices. The Court noted that it had previously
    upheld a deportation order premised on a conviction for a
    CIMT when the noncitizen had been convicted of
    counterfeiting with an intent to defraud. See United States ex
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    rel. Volpe v. Smith, 
    289 U.S. 422
    (1933). The Court
    emphasized that the deportation at issue in the case before it,
    as in Volpe, was based on a conviction for fraud:
    Fraud is the touchstone by which this case
    should be judged.       The phrase “crime
    involving moral turpitude” has without
    exception been construed to embrace
    fraudulent conduct. We therefore decide that
    Congress sufficiently forewarned respondent
    that the statutory consequence of twice
    conspiring to defraud the United States is
    deportation.
    
    Id. at 232.
    The Court wrote that there might be some “marginal
    offenses” or “peripheral cases” that might (or might not) be
    encompassed within the phrase “crimes involving moral
    turpitude.” 
    Id. at 231–32.
    However, “difficulty in
    determining whether certain marginal offenses are within the
    meaning of the language under attack as vague does not
    automatically render a statute unconstitutional for
    indefiniteness.” 
    Id. at 231.
    “Whatever else the phrase ‘crime
    involving moral turpitude’ may mean in peripheral cases, the
    decided cases make it plain that crimes in which fraud was an
    ingredient have always been regarded as involving moral
    turpitude.” 
    Id. at 232.
    Justice Jackson, joined by Justices Black and Frankfurter,
    dissented. He wrote, “What the Government seeks, and what
    the Court cannot give, is a basic definition of ‘moral
    turpitude’ to guide administrators and lower courts.” 
    Id. at 233
    (Jackson, J., dissenting). He continued:
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    Congress did not see fit to state what
    meaning it attributes to the phrase “crime
    involving moral turpitude.” It is not one
    which has settled significance from being
    words of art in the profession. If we go to the
    dictionaries, the last resort of the baffled
    judge, we learn little except that the
    expression is redundant, for turpitude alone
    means moral wickedness or depravity and
    moral turpitude seems to mean little more
    than morally immoral. The Government
    confesses that it is a “term that is not clearly
    defined,” and says: “The various definitions
    of moral turpitude provide no exact test by
    which we can classify the specific offenses
    here involved.
    Except for the Court’s opinion, there
    appears to be universal recognition that we
    have here an undefined and undefinable
    standard.
    
    Id. at 234–35.
    B. Void for Vagueness
    1. Questions Today
    There are two questions before us today, almost seventy
    years after the Court’s decision in De George.
    First, the Court in De George concluded that the only
    cases in which the meaning of “crime involving moral
    turpitude” might have been impermissibly vague were
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    “marginal offenses” or “peripheral cases.” Whether at the
    time De George was decided such cases were, in fact, merely
    “marginal” or “peripheral,” I need not consider. The question
    today is whether non-fraud cases are still so few—so
    marginal or peripheral—that they need not concern us.
    Second, the Court in De George did not quarrel with
    Justice Jackson’s conclusion that the definition of “crimes
    involving moral turpitude” in non-fraud cases was
    unconstitutionally vague. The question today is whether, in
    the time since the Court’s decision in De George, judicial
    construction has clarified the definition in non-fraud cases.
    The answer to both questions is clear. Non-fraud CIMTs
    today are neither marginal nor peripheral, and the definition
    of non-fraud CIMTs is as vague today as it was in 1951.
    2. The Reality Today
    Our circuit acknowledges the distinction between fraud
    and non-fraud cases, dividing CIMTs into two categories,
    “‘those involving fraud and those involving grave acts of
    baseness or depravity.’” Marmolejo-Campos v. Holder,
    
    558 F.3d 903
    , 910 (9th Cir. 2009) (en banc) (quoting Carty v.
    Ashcroft, 
    395 F.3d 1081
    , 1083 (9th Cir. 2005); see also, e.g.,
    Menendez v. Whitaker, 
    908 F.3d 467
    , 472–73 (9th Cir. 2018)
    (“We have traditionally identified two different types of
    crimes involving moral turpitude: ‘those involving fraud and
    those involving grave acts of baseness or depravity.’”
    (quoting 
    Carty, 395 F.3d at 1083
    )); Mancilla-Delafuente v.
    Lynch, 
    804 F.3d 1262
    , 1265 (9th Cir. 2015) (“There are two
    types of possible CIMTs: those involving fraud and those
    involving grave acts of baseness or depravity.” (internal
    quotation omitted)); Robles-Urrea v. Holder, 
    678 F.3d 702
    ,
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    708 (9th Cir. 2012) (“Such crimes are of two types: those
    involving fraud and those involving grave acts of baseness or
    depravity.”).
    Our sister circuits and the Board of Immigration Appeals
    (“BIA”) consistently define moral turpitude as conduct that
    is “base, vile, and depraved,” and recognize that fraud is
    always a CIMT. See, e.g., Chiao Fang Ku v. Attorney Gen.
    United States of Am., 
    912 F.3d 133
    (3d Cir. 2019) (“Courts
    have long treated fraud crimes as ‘involving moral
    turpitude.’” (citing De 
    George, 341 U.S. at 232
    )); Pierre v.
    U.S. Attorney Gen., 
    879 F.3d 1241
    , 1251 (11th Cir. 2018)
    (“Whether a crime involves the depravity or fraud necessary
    to be one of moral turpitude depends upon the inherent nature
    of the offense . . . .” (internal citations omitted)); Guevara-
    Solorzano v. Sessions, 
    891 F.3d 125
    , 135 (4th Cir. 2018) (“A
    CIMT is a crime that is ‘inherently base, vile, or depraved,’
    meaning that it involves conduct ‘that not only violates a
    statute but also independently violates a moral norm.’”
    (citation omitted)); Baptiste v. Attorney Gen., 
    841 F.3d 601
    ,
    621 (3d Cir. 2016) (defining morally turpitudinous conduct
    as “inherently base, vile, or depraved, contrary to the
    accepted rules of morality and the duties owed other persons”
    (citation omitted)); Arias v. Lynch, 
    834 F.3d 823
    , 826 (7th
    Cir. 2016) (“The Board has defined a crime involving moral
    turpitude as ‘conduct that shocks the public conscience as
    being inherently base, vile, or depraved, and contrary to the
    accepted rules of morality and the duties owed between
    persons or to society in general.’ We have adopted definitions
    substantively in line with the Board’s.” (internal citation
    omitted)); Mejia v. Holder, 
    756 F.3d 64
    , 68 (1st Cir. 2014)
    (defining CIMT as “conduct that shocks the public
    conscience as being inherently base, vile, or depraved, and
    contrary to the accepted rules of morality and the duties owed
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    between persons or to society in general” (citation omitted));
    Efstathiadis v. Holder, 
    752 F.3d 591
    , 595 (2d Cir. 2014)
    (“Whether a prior conviction constitutes a CIMT turns on
    whether the crime is ‘inherently base, vile, or depraved.’”
    (citation omitted)); Yeremin v. Holder, 
    738 F.3d 708
    , 714 (6th
    Cir. 2013) (“The term ‘refers generally to conduct that is
    inherently base, vile, or depraved, and contrary to the
    accepted rules of morality and the duties owed between
    persons or to society in general.’ . . . Crimes that involve
    deception or fraud consistently are held to qualify as crimes
    involving moral turpitude.” (citation omitted)); Marin-
    Rodriguez v. Holder, 
    710 F.3d 734
    , 738 (7th Cir. 2013)
    (“Crimes entailing an intent to deceive or defraud are
    unquestionably morally turpitudinous.”); Rodriguez-Heredia
    v. Holder, 
    639 F.3d 1264
    , 1268 (10th Cir. 2011) (“Although
    ‘crime involving moral turpitude’ is not defined by statute,
    we have said that ‘moral turpitude refers to conduct which is
    inherently base, vile, or depraved, contrary to the accepted
    rules of morality and the duties owed between man and man,
    either one’s fellow man or society in general.’ Applying this
    concept, we have followed Supreme Court precedent making
    it ‘plain that crimes in which fraud was an ingredient have
    always been regarded as involving moral turpitude.’”
    (internal citations omitted)); Guardado-Garcia v. Holder,
    
    615 F.3d 900
    , 902 (8th Cir. 2010) (“Crimes involving moral
    turpitude have been held to require conduct ‘that is inherently
    base, vile, or depraved, and contrary to accepted rules of
    morality and the duties owed between persons or to society in
    general.’ ‘Crimes involving the intent to deceive or defraud
    are generally considered to involve moral turpitude.’ (internal
    citations omitted)); Hyder v. Keisler, 
    506 F.3d 388
    , 391 (5th
    Cir. 2007) (“‘Moral turpitude refers generally to conduct that
    shocks the public conscience as being inherently base, vile,
    or depraved, and contrary to the accepted rules of morality
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    and the duties owed between persons or to society in general.’
    . . . We have repeatedly emphasized that crimes whose
    essential elements involve fraud or deception tend to be
    CIMTs.” (internal citations omitted)); Matter of Zaragoza-
    Vaquero, 26 I. & N. Dec. 814, 815–16 (BIA 2016) (“Moral
    turpitude refers generally to conduct that shocks the public
    conscience as being inherently base, vile, or depraved, and
    contrary to accepted rules of morality and the duties owed
    between persons or to society in general. . . . Crimes that
    require intent to defraud are [] crimes involving moral
    turpitude.”); Matter of Flores, 17 I. & N. Dec. 225, 227–28
    (BIA 1980) (“Moral turpitude is a nebulous concept which
    refers generally to conduct which is inherently base, vile, or
    depraved, contrary to the accepted rules of morality and the
    duties owed between man and man, either one’s fellow man
    or society in general. . . . The most frequently cited definition
    of moral turpitude was given by the Supreme Court in Jordan
    v. DeGeorge, 
    341 U.S. 223
    , 232 (1951), where it was stated:
    ‘Whatever else the phrase crime involving moral turpitude
    may mean in peripheral cases, the decided cases make it
    plain that crimes in which fraud was an ingredient have
    always been regarded as involving moral turpitude.’”); Matter
    of E-----, 2 I & N Dec. 134, 140 (BIA 1944) (“[A] crime
    involves moral turpitude when its nature is such that it
    manifests upon the part of its perpetrator personal depravity
    or baseness.”).
    If CIMTs were restricted to fraud, there would be no
    constitutional difficulty. But in the decades since De George
    was decided, courts and administrators significantly expanded
    the conduct that qualifies as “base, vile, or depraved” and,
    therefore, “morally turpitudious.” Far from being marginal
    or peripheral, non-fraud cases comprise the great bulk of
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    CIMTs today. Further, the definition of non-fraud CIMTs is
    hopelessly and irredeemably vague.
    In a recent law review article, Professor Simon-Kerr
    provided a number of examples that show both the breadth of
    the CIMT category and the vagueness of the definition of
    non-fraud CIMTs. Citing cases, she wrote, “Moral turpitude
    jurisprudence today suggests that society condemns as
    immoral the petty thief, but not the person who attacks a
    police officer.” Julia Ann Simon-Kerr, Moral Turpitude,
    2012 UTAH L. REV. 1001, 1005 (2012). Compare Michel v.
    I.N.S., 
    206 F.3d 253
    , 261 (2d Cir. 2000) (holding that petty
    theft for stolen bus transfers is a CIMT), with Zaranska v.
    U.S. Dep’t of Homeland Sec., 
    400 F. Supp. 2d 500
    , 511, 514
    (E.D.N.Y. 2005) (holding that second degree assault on
    police officer is not a CIMT). “‘[A]ggravated fleeing’ is
    inherently base, vile, and depraved, while some forms of
    aggravated assault do not violate community norms of
    morality.” Simon-Kerr, Moral 
    Turpitude, supra, at 1005
    .
    Compare Mei v. Ashcroft, 
    393 F.3d 737
    , 741–42 (7th Cir.
    2004) (aggravated fleeing), with Carr v. I.N.S., 
    86 F.3d 949
    ,
    950–51 (9th Cir. 1996) (aggravated assault). See also Alonzo
    v. Lynch, 
    821 F.3d 951
    , 958 (8th Cir. 2016) (“Assault may or
    may not involve moral turpitude.” (citation omitted));
    
    Zaranska, 400 F. Supp. 2d at 514
    (“[A]ccording to the BIA,
    simple assault is not a crime of moral turpitude, but assault
    with a deadly weapon is; a conviction for misconduct that
    caused bodily injury is not a crime of moral turpitude, but
    where the conduct caused serious bodily injury, it is.”).
    “Drunk driving repeatedly is deemed not to involve moral
    turpitude, but drunk driving with a suspended license is
    assessed differently.” Simon-Kerr, Moral 
    Turpitude, supra, at 1005
    . Compare In re Torres-Varela, 23 I. & N. Dec. 78,
    83–84 (BIA 2001) (en banc) (drunk driving repeatedly), with
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    Marmolejo-Campos v. Holder, 
    558 F.3d 903
    , 917 (9th Cir.
    2009) (en banc) (drunk driving with suspended license).
    More examples are easy to find. Some convictions under
    state hit-and-run statutes are crimes involving moral turpitude
    while other convictions are not. See Orosco v. Holder,
    396 Fed. App’x 50, 52–55 (5th Cir. 2010) (failure to report an
    accident where no injury resulted is not a CIMT); Latu v.
    Mukasey, 
    547 F.3d 1070
    , 1073–76 (9th Cir. 2008) (a driver
    who stops and renders aid but fails to give requisite
    information to police had not committed a CIMT); Cerezo v.
    Mukasey, 
    512 F.3d 1163
    (9th Cir. 2008) (a conviction under
    a California hit-and-run statute is not a conviction for a
    CIMT, but leaving the scene of an accident is a CIMT);
    Garcia-Maldonado v. Gonzales, 
    491 F.3d 284
    (5th Cir. 2007)
    (a conviction under a Texas hit-and-run statute is a conviction
    for a CIMT). Citing cases, Kornegay and Professor Lee have
    provided still more examples. They wrote, “Among the
    offenses that may or may not be [crimes involving moral
    turpitude] are manslaughter, fraud, sex offenses against
    children, child abandonment and child abuse, indecent
    exposure, assault, misprision of felony, false statements, and
    driving under the influence.” Lindsay M. Kornegay & Evan
    Tsen Lee, Why Deporting Immigrants for “Crimes Involving
    Moral Turpitude” Is Now Unconstitutional, 13 DUKE J.
    CONST. L. & PUB. POL’Y 47, 61–63 (2017).
    Modern federal courts and the BIA have repeatedly
    complained that the definition of CIMTs is vague. A sample
    of such complaints includes Menendez v. Whitaker, 
    908 F.3d 467
    , 472 (9th Cir. 2018) (stating that “[t]he meaning of the
    term falls well short of clarity” (citation omitted)); Arias v.
    Lynch, 
    834 F.3d 823
    , 830, 835 (7th Cir. 2016) (Posner, J.,
    concurring) (calling CIMT a “stale, antiquated, and, worse,
    20               ISLAS-VELOZ V. WHITAKER
    meaningless phrase,” a “vague[]” phrase, “rife with
    contradiction, a fossil, [and] an embarrassment to a modern
    legal system,” and discussing “remarkable dissent by Justice
    Jackson” in De George, which “exposed [the] emptiness” of
    the moral turpitude concept); Bobadilla v. Holder, 
    679 F.3d 1052
    , 1053–54 (8th Cir. 2012) (calling it a “murky statutory
    standard” and stating, “[w]ithout question, the term [CIMT]
    is ambiguous.”); 
    Marmolejo-Campos, 558 F.3d at 909
    (“‘Moral turpitude’ is perhaps the quintessential example of
    an ambiguous phrase.”); Ali v. Mukasey, 
    521 F.3d 737
    , 739
    (7th Cir. 2008) (calling moral turpitude a “notoriously
    plastic” concept); Garcia-Meza v. Mukasey, 
    516 F.3d 535
    ,
    536 (7th Cir. 2008) (calling the standard “notoriously
    baffling”); Franklin v. INS, 
    72 F.3d 571
    , 573 (8th Cir. 1995)
    (“[M]oral turpitude is a nebulous concept and there is ample
    room for differing definitions of the term.”); Zaranska, 400 F.
    Supp. 2d at 513–14 (“‘Moral turpitude’ historically has
    referred to conduct which is inherently base, vile, or
    depraved, and contrary to the accepted rules of morality and
    the duties owed between persons or to society in general. In
    other words, there is no useful definition for the term.”
    (internal quotations omitted)); In re Lopez-Meza, 22 I. & N.
    Dec. 1188, 1191 (BIA 1999) (“[B]oth the courts and this
    Board have referred to moral turpitude as a ‘nebulous
    concept’ with ample room for differing definitions of the
    term. . . . Under this standard, the nature of a crime is
    measured against contemporary moral standards and may be
    susceptible to change based on the prevailing views in
    society.”); Matter of Short, 20 I. & N. Dec. 136, 139 (BIA
    1989) (describing “moral turpitude” as a “nebulous
    concept”); Matter of McNaughton, 16 I. & N. Dec. 569, 574
    (BIA 1978) (describing moral turpitude as a “vague” term).
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    Despite many years of trying, courts and administrators
    have not been able to establish coherent criteria. See Nunez
    v. Holder, 
    594 F.3d 1124
    , 1130 (9th Cir. 2010) (“We have
    previously discussed at some length the inherent ambiguity of
    the phrase ‘moral turpitude’ and the consistent failure of
    either the BIA or our own court to establish any coherent
    criteria for determining which crimes fall within that
    classification and which crimes do not.”); Marmolejo-
    Campos v. Holder, 
    558 F.3d 903
    , 921 (9th Cir. 2009) (en
    banc) (Berzon, J., dissenting) (“[T]he BIA’s precedential case
    law regarding the meaning of the phrase ‘crime involving
    moral turpitude’ . . . is a mess of conflicting authority.”);
    Nicanor-Romero v. Mukasey, 
    523 F.3d 992
    , 997–99 (9th Cir.
    2009), overruled on other grounds by Marmolejo-Campos,
    
    558 F.3d 903
    (summarizing Ninth Circuit law on moral
    turpitude and recognizing that “[w]e have not relied on a
    consistent or easily applied set of criteria” to identify crimes
    of moral turpitude); Partyka v. Attorney General, 
    417 F.3d 408
    , 409 (3d Cir. 2005) (calling moral turpitude jurisprudence
    an “amorphous morass”); Mei v. Ashcroft, 
    393 F.3d 737
    , 741
    (7th Cir. 2004) (“The Board should not be blamed too harshly
    [for widely varying results in what is considered a CIMT];
    courts have equally failed to impart a clear meaning to ‘moral
    turpitude.’ Time has only confirmed Justice Jackson’s
    powerful dissent in the De George case, in which he called
    ‘moral turpitude’ an ‘undefined and undefinable standard.’
    The term may well have outlived its usefulness.” (internal
    citation omitted)); Mei v. Ashcroft, 
    393 F.3d 737
    , 739 (7th
    Cir. 2004) (“Since Congress did not define ‘crime involving
    moral turpitude’ when it inserted the term in the immigration
    statute, and the term had no settled meaning at the time (and
    has none still), it is reasonable to suppose ala Chevron that
    Congress contemplated that the agency charged with
    administering the statute would define the term, and
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    specifically would tailor the definition to the policies
    embodied in the immigration statutes. The Board of
    Immigration Appeals has done neither. . . . [T]he Board
    hasn’t done anything to particularize the meaning of ‘crime
    involving moral turpitude’ . . . .”); Tseung Chu v. Cornell,
    
    247 F.2d 929
    , 933 (9th Cir. 1957) (“We are not unmindful of
    the myriad decisions sponsoring various concepts of moral
    turpitude. They offer no well settled criteria.”); see also De
    
    George, 341 U.S. at 239
    –40 (Jackson, J., dissenting) (“No
    one can read this body of opinions and feel that its application
    represents a satisfying, rational process. If any consistent
    pattern of application or consensus of meaning could be
    distilled from judicial decision, neither the Government nor
    the Court spells it out. Irrationality is inherent in the task of
    translating the religious and ethical connotations of the phrase
    into legal decisions. The lower court cases seem to rest, as we
    feel this Court’s decision does, upon the moral reactions of
    particular judges to particular offenses.”).
    Justice Alito, joined by Chief Justice Roberts, recently
    echoed these complaints in Padilla, arguing that an attorney
    did not provide ineffective assistance of counsel when he
    failed to determine whether a particular offense was a CIMT.
    Justice Alito listed a number offenses that may or may not be
    crimes involving moral turpitude (citing R. McWhirter, ABA,
    The Criminal Lawyer’s Guide to Immigration Law: Questions
    and Answers 134 (2d ed. 2006)):
    See [McWhirter] at 134 (“Writing bad checks
    may or may not be a CIMT” (emphasis
    added); 
    ibid. (“[R]eckless assault coupled
            with an element of injury, but not serious
    injury, is probably not a CIMT” (emphasis
    added)); 
    id. at 135
    (misdemeanor driving
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    under the influence is generally not a CIMT,
    but may be a CIMT if he DUI results in injury
    or if the driver knew that his license had been
    suspended or revoked); 
    id. at 136
    (“If there is
    no element of actual injury, the endangerment
    offense may not be a CIMT” (emphasis
    added); 
    ibid. (“Whether [a child
    abuse]
    conviction involves moral turpitude may
    depend on the subsection under which the
    individual is convicted. Child abuse done with
    criminal negligence probably is not a CIMT”
    (emphasis added)).
    
    Padilla, 559 U.S. at 379
    (Alito, J., concurring).
    3. Recent Example
    A recent decision of our court illustrates Justice Alito’s
    point. Manuel Olivas-Motta was legally present in the United
    States as a noncitizen lawful permanent resident. Olivas-
    Motta v. Whitaker, 
    910 F.3d 1271
    , 1283 (9th Cir. 2018)
    (Watford, J., dissenting). He had been brought to the United
    States in 1976 by his parents when he was ten days old. 
    Id. He was
    married to a United States citizen and had two citizen
    children. 
    Id. Most of
    his extended family lived in the United
    States as either citizens or lawful permanent residents. 
    Id. Olivas-Motta was
    charged under Arizona law with
    aggravated assault and attempted murder. 
    Id. If he
    had been
    convicted as charged, the conviction would have rendered
    him removable. 
    Id. Olivas-Motta contended
    that he was
    innocent of the charges, but he was willing to plead guilty to
    “reckless endangerment” rather than go to trial if he could be
    assured that reckless endangerment was not a CIMT. 
    Id. 24 ISLAS-VELOZ
    V. WHITAKER
    Olivas-Motta’s attorney consulted with an experienced
    immigration attorney who advised that in all likelihood
    reckless endangerment under Arizona law was not a CIMT.
    
    Id. The attorney’s
    advice was based on two non-precedential
    decisions by the BIA that had specifically held that reckless
    endangerment in Arizona was not a CIMT. Olivas-Motta
    relied on the immigration attorney’s advice, and he pleaded
    guilty to reckless endangerment. 
    Id. at 1284.
    Five years after Olivas-Motta’s guilty plea, the BIA
    changed course. In Matter of Leal, 26 I. & N. Dec. 20 (BIA
    2012), aff’d sub nom. Leal v. Holder, 
    771 F.3d 1140
    (9th Cir.
    2014), the BIA abandoned the position taken in its two prior
    decisions, now holding that reckless endangerment under
    Arizona law is a CIMT. Based on its decision in Matter of
    Leal, the BIA ordered Olivas-Motta removed because he had
    been convicted of two CIMTs. 
    Id. at 1275.
    Over a dissent by
    Judge Watford, we denied Olivas-Motta’s petition for review.
    
    Id. 4. State
    Courts’ Experience
    Use of the phrase “moral turpitude” under state law
    increasingly has been abandoned or forbidden. Starting in the
    19th and 20th centuries, states used the term “moral
    turpitude” as a criterion to disqualify and impeach witnesses,
    to decide whether certain language is slanderous, to
    disenfranchise voters, and to disbar attorneys and revoke
    medical licenses, among other applications. See De 
    George, 341 U.S. at 227
    (discussing use of the term in other contexts);
    Simon-Kerr, Moral 
    Turpitude, supra
    (same). Seventy years
    ago in De George, the majority began its discussion by
    recognizing this history, stating that “[t]he term ‘moral
    turpitude’ has deep roots in the law.” De George, 341 U.S.
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    at 227. Citing states’ use of the phrase in other, non-
    immigration contexts, the Court reasoned, “In deciding the
    case before the Court, we look to the manner in which the
    term ‘moral turpitude’ has been applied by judicial decision.”
    
    Id. Finding that,
    “[w]ithout exception, federal and state
    courts have held that a crime in which fraud is an ingredient
    involves moral turpitude,” the Court went on to hold that
    fraud was a CIMT. 
    Id. But in
    the decades since De George, many states have
    discontinued use of the phrase “moral turpitude” in various
    contexts. See, e.g., Simon-Kerr, Moral 
    Turpitude, supra
    , at
    1040–44. For example, citing the phrase’s vagueness and the
    resulting inconsistent rulings, the vast majority of states have
    abandoned use of the phrase “moral turpitude” in the context
    of witness impeachment. See Simon-Kerr, Moral 
    Turpitude, supra
    , at 1033–39; see also, e.g., State v. Morgan,
    
    541 S.W.2d 385
    , 388 (Tenn. 1976) (reasoning that judges
    faced great “difficulty” in “applying a test that is vague and
    cannot be explicitly defined,” that the dictionary definition of
    “moral turpitude” had provided no guidance, and that the
    standard had produced inconsistent rulings); Tucker v. Lower,
    
    434 P.2d 320
    , 324 (Kan. 1967) (noting that CIMT has “a
    vague and uncertain meaning which plagues the courts”);
    Heating Acceptance Corp. v. Patterson, 
    208 A.2d 341
    ,
    343–44 (Conn. 1965) (noting that the “uncertainty” of the
    term “moral turpitude” had caused “not inconsiderable”
    difficulties for judges and ultimately deciding to abandon the
    term); Vt. R. Evid. 609, Reporter’s Notes on 1989
    Amendment (1989) (“Subdivision (a) is amended to replace
    ‘moral turpitude’ with more precise and relevant standards
    for determining the admissibility of prior convictions for
    impeachment. Moral turpitude was troublesome because it
    was at once underinclusive and overinclusive, as well as
    26               ISLAS-VELOZ V. WHITAKER
    vague.”); Maine R. Evid. 609, Advisers’ Note to Former
    M.R. Evid. 609–February 2, 1976 (calling moral turpitude a
    “troublesome phrase” before switching to a clearer
    impeachment standard).
    In the context of voter disenfranchisement, use of the
    phrase has been struck down due to discriminatory intent and
    impact. See Simon-Kerr, Moral 
    Turpitude, supra
    , at
    1040–41; Hunter v. Underwood, 
    471 U.S. 222
    , 233 (1985)
    (holding that Alabama’s constitutional provision
    disenfranchising citizens convicted of a crime of moral
    turpitude was unconstitutional). The term’s very “fuzziness
    . . . made it well suited to the purpose of” selective, arbitrary
    and discriminatory decision making. Simon-Kerr, Moral
    
    Turpitude, supra
    , at 1040.
    Conclusion
    Rooted in the Due Process Clause, the void-for-vagueness
    doctrine serves two primary purposes. It “guarantees that
    ordinary people have ‘fair notice’ of the conduct a statute
    proscribes,” and it “guards against arbitrary or discriminatory
    law enforcement by insisting that a statute provide standards
    to govern the actions of police officers, prosecutors, juries,
    and judges.” 
    Dimaya, 138 S. Ct. at 1212
    .
    Congress did not define “moral turpitude” when it
    introduced the term into our immigration law in 1891. Sixty
    years later, Justice Jackson wrote that “moral turpitude” was
    still “an undefined and undefinable standard.” De George,
    341 U.S at 235 (Jackson, J., dissenting). Now, almost
    seventy years after De George, “moral turpitude” is as
    undefined and undefinable as ever.
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    Justice Scalia wrote of the ACCA’s residual clause in
    Johnson, “Nine years’ experience trying to derive meaning
    from the residual clause convinces us that we have embarked
    upon a failed enterprise.” 
    Johnson, 135 S. Ct. at 2560
    . We
    have had not just nine years but more than a century of
    experience with “moral turpitude.” It is time to recognize
    another failed enterprise.