United States v. Crasper ( 2007 )


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  •                  FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,                 No. 05-30456
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    v.                           D.C. No.
    CR-03-00487-BR
    GUNNER LAWSON CRAPSER,
    OPINION
    Defendant-Appellant.
    
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the District of Oregon
    Anna J. Brown, District Judge, Presiding
    Argued July 26, 2006;
    Resubmitted January 3, 2007
    Portland, Oregon
    Filed January 10, 2007
    Before: Alfred T. Goodwin, Stephen Reinhardt, and
    Susan P. Graber, Circuit Judges.
    Opinion by Judge Graber;
    Dissent by Judge Reinhardt
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    COUNSEL
    Nancy Bergeson, Assistant Federal Public Defender, Portland,
    Oregon, for the defendant-appellant.
    Frank Noonan, Assistant United States Attorney, Portland,
    Oregon, for the plaintiff-appellee.
    OPINION
    GRABER, Circuit Judge:
    Defendant Gunner Lawson Crapser appeals his conviction,
    upon a guilty plea, of being a felon in possession of a firearm
    in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1). He argues that the trial
    court erred in denying his motion to suppress. We affirm
    because the initial encounter between Defendant and the
    police was consensual or, alternatively, was supported by rea-
    sonable suspicion, and because his consent to search was vol-
    untary.
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    FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
    The district court made extensive findings of fact, none of
    which is clearly erroneous and all of which are supported by
    evidence in the record. We therefore paraphrase the court’s
    findings here.
    In July 2003, Multnomah County Sheriff’s Deputy Todd
    Shanks stopped a vehicle driven by William Barrett. In the
    course of the stop, he found a pressure-cooker in the trunk.
    Shanks suspected that the pressure-cooker had been used in
    the manufacture of methamphetamine. Barrett told Deputy
    Shanks that the pressure-cooker belonged to “Gunner Crap-
    ser,” who was staying at an EconoLodge Motel in Gresham,
    Oregon, in a room registered to a white, female dancer named
    Summer Twilligear.
    Shanks also learned that there was an outstanding arrest
    warrant for someone who used the name “Gunner Crapser.”
    The warrant information, however, was flagged to warn offi-
    cers not to confuse the wanted person, whose true name was
    James Stover, with anyone else who used the name “Gunner
    Crapser.”
    Shanks decided to go to the motel for two reasons. First, he
    intended to investigate whether the “Gunner Crapser” whom
    Barrett had described was the same man who was wanted.
    Second, Shanks intended to try to “knock and talk” his way
    into obtaining consent to search the room where Crapser was
    staying so as to look for evidence of methamphetamine activ-
    ity. Shanks, who was in uniform and driving a marked patrol
    vehicle, asked for other officers to assist him at the motel. In
    the end, four uniformed officers and one plain-clothes officer
    were involved in the contact that led to Defendant’s arrest.
    The officers confirmed with the motel manager that Sum-
    mer Twilligear rented Room 114. They then went to Room
    114. Adjacent to an eight-foot-by-five-foot exterior concrete
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    entryway is a five-foot-wide sidewalk that runs alongside the
    motel rooms. Next to the sidewalk is the parking area for
    motel guests. Although a sign in the parking lot warns that
    parking is reserved for motel guests, the parking lot and the
    walkways leading to the doors of the motel rooms are open
    to public view and are accessible by anyone in the parking
    area.
    When the officers arrived at about 11 a.m. on the day in
    question, they parked where they were not immediately visi-
    ble from Room 114. Sergeant Edward Walls, who was in uni-
    form, took a precautionary position at the rear of Room 114.
    There are no windows or doors on that side of the structure,
    so his presence was not obvious to the occupants of Room
    114. Deputies Marc Galloway and Chad Phifer, who also
    were in uniform, and Deputy Scott Timms, who was in plain
    clothes, accompanied Shanks when he knocked on the door to
    Room 114. All of the uniformed officers had visible sidearms,
    and the plain-clothes officer had a concealed weapon. The
    police firearms, however, remained holstered at all times.
    In response to Shanks’ knock on the door of Room 114, a
    white woman, later identified as Twilligear, pulled back the
    curtains from inside the room and made eye contact with
    Shanks. Shanks asked Twilligear if she would open the door
    so that he could speak with her. She nodded in the affirmative
    and closed the curtains. About two minutes passed before she
    opened the door. While the officers waited, they heard what
    sounded like people moving things around inside the room.
    Nonetheless, the officers remained outside.
    When the door opened, Twilligear and Defendant came out
    and closed the door behind them. This was the officers’ first
    contact with Defendant. Shanks asked Galloway and Phifer to
    speak with Defendant to determine whether he was the person
    identified in the arrest warrant. The three of them moved a
    short distance away. In the meantime, Shanks and Timms
    spoke with Twilligear. The two groups stood 10 to 25 feet
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    from each other on the sidewalk near the parking area. During
    this initial part of the contact, the officers did not block or
    physically keep Defendant or Twilligear from walking away
    or returning to their room, nor did the officers affirmatively
    assert authority over the movements of Defendant or Twillig-
    ear.
    Shanks asked Twilligear for identification. After obtaining
    her name and date of birth, he ran a records check and deter-
    mined she was “clear.” Shanks explained to Twilligear why
    the police had come to her motel room and asked who was
    renting the room. Twilligear told Shanks that she had rented
    the room and that Defendant had been there the night before.
    Twilligear said that other people also had been in and out of
    the room. Although Twilligear admitted she used metham-
    phetamine, she denied that she was “cooking” any drugs and
    denied that there were any drug chemicals in the room. At this
    point, Shanks left Twilligear and Timms to join Galloway,
    Phifer, and Defendant while Timms continued to speak with
    Twilligear in the hope of obtaining her consent to search the
    room.
    While Galloway and Phifer were speaking with Defendant
    about the warrant, they noticed that Defendant was very ner-
    vous and that his hands were shaking. Defendant’s nervous
    demeanor contrasted sharply with his calm demeanor during
    a 20-minute traffic stop by these same officers about a week
    earlier. Defendant’s behavior raised Galloway’s suspicions.
    When Shanks joined the group a bit later, he, too, noticed that
    Defendant was very nervous; his hands were trembling and an
    artery was visibly pulsating in his neck.
    Defendant explained to the officers that, in the past, he had
    been mistaken for another person who used the name “Gunner
    Crapser” and that there were no warrants outstanding for his
    arrest. Phifer left to run a computer check in his patrol vehi-
    cle. While Phifer was away and Defendant was talking with
    Galloway, Galloway asked Defendant something about drugs.
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    Defendant unexpectedly pulled a syringe from his right back
    pocket and said, “This is all I have on me.” The syringe was
    capped and looked like the kind of syringe used by intrave-
    nous drug users. The cylinder contained a clear liquid that
    Galloway suspected was methamphetamine.
    After Phifer confirmed that Defendant’s physical character-
    istics did not match those of the wanted person, he returned
    from his patrol car and told Galloway that Defendant was
    “clear.” But, by this time, Defendant had produced the
    syringe. Galloway patted him down to ensure that he had
    nothing on his person, other than the syringe, that could be
    used as a weapon. Shanks was present during the pat-down,
    which occurred about five minutes after Defendant emerged
    from Room 114.
    Shanks confirmed with Defendant that he had stayed in
    Room 114 the previous night and that Twilligear was renting
    the room. Defendant said he had some personal property in
    the room. Shanks asked Defendant whether he would consent
    to a search of his person. Defendant answered “yes.” Shanks
    then searched Defendant’s pockets. In the right front pants
    pocket Shanks discovered a tissue-wrapped roll of three or
    four syringes and a small baggie containing what appeared to
    be methamphetamine. Shanks arrested Defendant for posses-
    sion of a controlled substance, handcuffed him, and gave him
    the Miranda warnings. Shanks asked Defendant whether he
    understood his rights. Defendant answered “yes.”
    Shanks then told Defendant that he believed there might be
    a methamphetamine manufacturing operation in Room 114
    and asked for Defendant’s consent to search the room. At the
    same time, Timms was asking Twilligear for consent to
    search the room. Twilligear expressed concern that she not be
    held accountable for the content of Defendant’s bags and said
    loudly, in Defendant’s direction, that he should “own up” to
    what he had in the room. Defendant told Shanks that his blue
    adidas duffel bag contained a 9 mm handgun and a shotgun.
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    Specifically in response to Shanks’ request for consent to
    search the room, Defendant said that he would consent.
    Shanks presented Defendant with a written consent form and
    read it, verbatim, to Defendant. Shanks also ascertained that
    Defendant had completed nine years of schooling. Defendant
    told Shanks that he understood the form, and he signed it. The
    consent form identified the location and gave permission to
    search the room and the blue adidas duffel bag for evidence
    of controlled substance and firearms offenses. Twilligear
    signed a similar form consenting to the search of Room 114.
    The resulting search turned up the firearms that are the subject
    of this case.
    In October 2003, the grand jury returned a three-count
    indictment. Defendant filed a motion to suppress, asserting
    that the officers had violated the Fourth Amendment when
    they detained him because they did not have a reasonable sus-
    picion to seize him, search him, pat him down, or search his
    motel room. The district court held an evidentiary hearing and
    denied the motion. Defendant pleaded guilty to the illegal
    firearm count in the indictment in exchange for dismissal of
    the other counts. He reserved the right to appeal the district
    court’s rulings on his motion to suppress. This timely appeal
    followed.
    STANDARDS OF REVIEW
    We review de novo the denial of a motion to suppress evi-
    dence, United States v. Bautista, 
    362 F.3d 584
    , 588-89 (9th
    Cir. 2004), but review for clear error the district court’s
    underlying findings of fact, United States v. Patayan Soriano,
    
    361 F.3d 494
    , 501 (9th Cir. 2004). Whether an encounter
    between law enforcement officers and a defendant amounts to
    a seizure is a mixed question of law and fact that we review
    de novo. United States v. Chan-Jimenez, 
    125 F.3d 1324
    , 1326
    (9th Cir. 1997). Likewise, we review de novo whether a sei-
    zure was supported by reasonable suspicion. United States v.
    Thompson, 
    282 F.3d 673
    , 678 (9th Cir. 2002). Finally, we
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    review for clear error a district court’s finding that the defen-
    dant voluntarily consented to a search. United States v. Pang,
    
    362 F.3d 1187
    , 1191 (9th Cir. 2004).
    DISCUSSION
    A.   The initial contact with Defendant was consensual.
    The first question that we must answer is whether the initial
    conversation with Defendant was a seizure or, instead, was
    voluntary and consensual. We hold that the district court
    properly concluded that the encounter was voluntary and con-
    sensual, not amounting to a seizure.
    This situation bears a strong resemblance to the encounter
    that we described in United States v. Cormier, 
    220 F.3d 1103
    (9th Cir. 2000). There, Officer Peters went to Cormier’s motel
    room, knocked, and asked to come in and speak with him.
    After asking him some questions, Peters asked if she could
    look around, and Cormier assented. She found a gun and
    placed Cormier under arrest. 
    Id. at 1107.
    Because Cormier
    had a reasonable expectation of privacy in his motel room, we
    analyzed “whether he voluntarily opened the door or, alterna-
    tively, whether there were coercive circumstances that turned
    an ordinary consensual encounter into one requiring objective
    suspicion.” 
    Id. at 1109.
    Citing Davis v. United States, 
    327 F.2d 301
    , 303-04 (9th Cir. 1964), we held:
    [1] This Court stated the general rule regarding
    “knock and talk” encounters almost forty years ago
    in the following passage:
    Absent express orders from the person in
    possession against any possible trespass,
    there is no rule of private or public conduct
    which makes it illegal per se, or a con-
    demned invasion of the person’s right of
    privacy, for anyone openly and peaceably,
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    at high noon, to walk up the steps and
    knock on the front door of any man’s “cas-
    tle” with the honest intent of asking ques-
    tions of the occupant thereof—whether the
    questioner be a pollster, a salesman, or an
    officer of the law.
    
    Davis, 327 F.2d at 303
    . That view has now become
    a firmly-rooted notion in Fourth Amendment juris-
    prudence. See [United States v.] Jerez, 108 F.3d
    [684, 691 (7th Cir. 1997)]; United States v. Taylor,
    
    90 F.3d 903
    , 909 (4th Cir. 1996); United States v.
    Tobin, 
    923 F.2d 1506
    , 1511 (11th Cir. 1991); United
    States v. Roberts, 
    747 F.2d 537
    , 543 (9th Cir. 1984).
    The facts of this case fall under the general rule of
    Davis. Here, Peters knocked on the door for only a
    short period spanning seconds. In addition, Peters
    never announced that she was a police officer while
    knocking nor did she ever compel Cormier to open
    the door under the badge of authority. Because there
    was no police demand to open the door, see United
    States v. Winsor, 
    846 F.2d 1569
    , 1573 n.3 (9th Cir.
    1988) (en banc), and Peters was not unreasonably
    persistent in her attempt to obtain access to Cor-
    mier’s motel room, see 
    Jerez, 108 F.3d at 691-92
    ,
    there is no evidence to indicate that the encounter
    was anything other than consensual. Therefore, no
    suspicion needed to be shown in order to justify the
    “knock and talk.” See Florida v. Bostick, 
    501 U.S. 429
    , 434, 
    111 S. Ct. 2382
    , 
    115 L. Ed. 2d 389
    (1991).
    
    Cormier, 220 F.3d at 1109
    .
    [2] Here, similarly, there was a single, polite knock on the
    door. The police did not demand that Twilligear open the
    door; they asked, she nodded an affirmative response, and the
    police waited patiently and silently for her to decide that she
    (and Defendant, as it turned out) were ready to come outside
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    about two minutes later. Although the officers were armed,
    they made no effort to draw Defendant’s attention to their
    weapons, nor did they use any form of physical force. The
    police made no effort to enter the motel room. The encounter
    occurred in the middle of the day, on a sidewalk in public
    view. The entire event, up to the time Defendant produced the
    syringe, lasted about five minutes. Although there were four
    officers present, most of the time only two talked to Defen-
    dant, while two talked to Twilligear, and part of the time only
    Galloway was with Defendant. The police did not block
    Defendant or Twilligear, suggest that they could not leave or
    return to their room, give them orders, or affirmatively assert
    authority over their movements.
    It also is instructive to contrast this case with Orhorhaghe
    v. INS, 
    38 F.3d 488
    (9th Cir. 1994), in which we found a sei-
    zure instead of a consensual encounter. There, the officers
    positioned themselves so as to be certain the defendant could
    not escape or leave, the officers made a deliberate effort to
    reveal their concealed firearms; the encounter occurred in a
    non-public setting, and the officers acted in an aggressive
    manner suggesting that compliance would be compelled. The
    ratio of officers to defendants was 4 to 1. 
    Id. at 491;
    see also
    United States v. Washington, 
    387 F.3d 1060
    , 1068-69 (9th
    Cir. 2004) (holding that an encounter was not consensual
    where it occurred in a private place, the officers refused to
    honor the defendant’s request to shut the door, and the offi-
    cers advised the defendant several times that he could be
    arrested and told him he could not terminate the encounter).
    [3] In short, we hold that the “knock and talk” resulted in
    a voluntary, consensual encounter between Defendant and the
    police outside Room 114.
    B.   Even if Defendant was seized, the police had reasonable
    suspicion to stop him.
    [4] Even if the initial encounter was a seizure, it was a
    Terry stop supported by reasonable suspicion. See Terry v.
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    Ohio, 
    392 U.S. 1
    , 27 (1968) (explaining that, in determining
    whether an officer had reasonable suspicion, “due weight
    must be given, not to his inchoate and unparticularized suspi-
    cion or ‘hunch,’ but to the specific reasonable inferences
    which he is entitled to draw from the facts in light of his expe-
    rience”). Reasonable suspicion is less than probable cause;
    “[i]t is merely ‘a particularized and objective basis’ for sus-
    pecting the person stopped of criminal activity.” United States
    v. Tiong, 
    224 F.3d 1136
    , 1140 (9th Cir. 2000) (quoting
    Ornelas v. United States, 
    517 U.S. 690
    , 695 (1996)).
    [5] First, the police had a reasonable suspicion that Defen-
    dant was the Gunner Crapser for whom they had an outstand-
    ing warrant, until Phifer completed the computer check in his
    patrol car. Accordingly, it was permissible to detain him in
    order to resolve questions about his identity. See United States
    v. Christian, 
    356 F.3d 1103
    , 1106 (9th Cir. 2004) (upholding
    a Terry stop to determine a suspect’s identity).
    [6] Second, the police had a reasonable suspicion that
    Defendant was engaged in the manufacture of methamphet-
    amine. By the time Galloway asked Defendant a question
    about drugs, the police knew four significant facts: (1) Defen-
    dant displayed extremely nervous behavior, in contrast to his
    behavior a week earlier when the same officers had stopped
    him for another reason; (2) Barrett, upon being arrested, had
    said that the pressure-cooker found in the trunk of his vehicle
    belonged to Gunner Crapser, and a pressure-cooker could be
    used in methamphetamine production; (3) Twilligear admitted
    to being a methamphetamine user and told police that other
    people had come and gone from Room 114 the previous
    night; and (4) between the time Twilligear nodded her assent
    to talk to Shanks and the time she and Defendant emerged,
    two minutes elapsed, during which the police heard the
    sounds of people moving things around the room. These facts,
    taken together, were enough to permit a reasonable officer to
    suspect that criminal activity was afoot. Additionally,
    although Defendant had explained that he was not the same
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    Gunner Crapser for whom the arrest warrant had been issued,
    the police had not yet confirmed that fact and still reasonably
    suspected that he might be the wanted person.
    [7] Although the dissent is correct that nervousness, posses-
    sion of a pressure-cooker, staying in a motel room with a per-
    son using methamphetamine, and taking a few minutes to
    open the door are each, by themselves, not necessarily indica-
    tive of criminal behavior, all of these facts together are. In
    United States v. Arvizu, 
    534 U.S. 266
    , 273-75 (2002), the
    Supreme Court emphasized that reviewing courts must con-
    sider the totality of the circumstances in determining whether
    officers had reasonable suspicion to conduct a Terry stop.
    There the court of appeals rejected the facts identified by the
    officer as contributing to his suspicion because they were
    readily susceptible to innocent explanations, but the Supreme
    Court admonished that Terry “precludes this sort of divide-
    and-conquer analysis.” 
    Id. at 274;
    see also United States v.
    Rodriguez, 
    976 F.2d 592
    , 594 (9th Cir. 1992) (stating that
    “the facts used to establish reasonable suspicion need not be
    inconsistent with innocence” (internal quotation marks omit-
    ted)). Following Arvizu’s guidance, in view of all the circum-
    stances known to the officers, we conclude that the initial
    encounter with Defendant, if a stop, was supported by reason-
    able suspicion.
    [8] Defendant responds that, even if reasonable suspicion
    existed, a Terry stop cannot occur “at” a person’s residence.
    We disagree. Although we have not squarely considered this
    issue before, we have held that police may make a warrantless
    arrest of a suspect who voluntarily opens the door to his resi-
    dence in response to a knock by the police. United States v.
    Vaneaton, 
    49 F.3d 1423
    , 1426-27 (9th Cir. 1995). In Vanea-
    ton, the defendant argued that his arrest violated the rule of
    Payton v. New York, 
    445 U.S. 573
    (1980), that police must
    have a warrant in order to arrest a suspect inside his 
    home. 49 F.3d at 1424
    . We reasoned that, where officers use no force,
    threats, or subterfuge, a suspect’s decision to open the door
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    exposes him to a public place, and the privacy interests pro-
    tected by Payton are not violated. 
    Id. at 1427.
    [9] Likewise, we now hold that when a suspect voluntarily
    opens the door of his residence in response to a non-coercive
    “knock and talk” request, the police may temporarily seize the
    suspect outside the home (or at the threshold) provided that
    they have reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. If an
    arrest in the doorway is allowed, certainly the lesser intrusion
    of a Terry stop in the hallway is also permissible.
    In United States v. Gori, 
    230 F.3d 44
    (2d Cir. 2000), the
    Second Circuit, using similar reasoning, held that police who
    ordered occupants of an apartment to step into the hallway,
    and who seized them there based on reasonable suspicion, did
    not violate the Fourth Amendment. Although there was no
    warrant, and probable cause had not yet developed, the Gori
    court relied on Terry and United States v. Santana, 
    427 U.S. 38
    (1976), for this holding. In Santana, the police were 15
    feet from the suspect’s house when they saw her standing in
    the doorway; when she retreated into the vestibule, the offi-
    cers followed her through the open door and arrested her. 
    Id. at 40.
    The Supreme Court upheld the conviction. In Gori, the
    Second Circuit held:
    The defendants argue that reasonable suspicion is
    not enough because the Santana exception to Payton
    is limited to circumstances in which officers have
    probable cause to arrest a suspect exposed to public
    view. We see no basis for that limitation. The San-
    tana analysis, which supports the warrantless arrest
    of a suspect who has no legitimate expectation of
    privacy, a fortiori allows the lesser intrusion of a
    brief investigatory detention. See Illinois v. Ward-
    low, 
    528 U.S. 119
    (2000) (investigatory detention “is
    a far more minimal intrusion” than arrest); United
    States v. Place, 
    462 U.S. 696
    , 705 (1983) (same).
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    173 230 F.3d at 53
    .
    [10] Our cases establish that Terry does not apply inside a
    home. See United States v. Martinez, 
    406 F.3d 1160
    , 1165
    (9th Cir. 2005) (“Certainly, the usual rules pertaining to Terry
    stops do not apply in homes.”); United States v. Winsor, 
    846 F.2d 1569
    , 1577-78 (9th Cir. 1988) (en banc) (declining to
    apply Terry’s reasonable suspicion standard to a warrantless
    search in a home). But see United States v. Flippin, 
    924 F.2d 163
    , 165-66 (9th Cir. 1991) (holding that, after police entered
    a motel room with the suspect’s consent, it was permissible
    to seize and search a make-up bag held by the suspect based
    on mere reasonable suspicion that it contained a weapon).
    There is a critical difference, however, between the inside of
    a home and the outer threshold and beyond, as recognized in
    Santana. That difference is the suspect’s expectation of pri-
    vacy. When Defendant opened the motel room door and came
    outside, he surrendered his heightened expectation of privacy
    and the Fourth Amendment protections that go along with it
    —including the right not to be detained based on reasonable
    suspicion.
    [11] In sum, we hold that, if Defendant was seized, the sei-
    zure was a permissible Terry stop supported by reasonable
    suspicion.
    C.   Defendant’s consent to search his person, motel room,
    and duffel bag was voluntary.
    The only remaining question is whether Defendant’s oral
    and written consent to search was voluntarily given. We con-
    sider five factors in determining the voluntariness of a con-
    sensual search: “(1) whether the defendant was in custody; (2)
    whether the arresting officers had their guns drawn; (3)
    whether Miranda warnings were given; (4) whether the defen-
    dant was notified that [he] had a right not to consent; and (5)
    whether the defendant had been told a search warrant could
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    be obtained.” United States v. Jones, 
    286 F.3d 1146
    , 1152
    (9th Cir. 2002).
    [12] The district court found that Defendant was in custody
    when he consented to the search, and the government con-
    cedes that point. Nonetheless, “[a] person in custody is capa-
    ble of giving valid consent to search.” United States v.
    Lindsey, 
    877 F.2d 777
    , 783 (9th Cir. 1989). The remaining
    factors all militate in favor of voluntariness: The officers did
    not have their weapons drawn, Defendant was given Miranda
    warnings and was told that he had the right to refuse consent,
    and Defendant was not told that a search warrant would or
    could be obtained if he refused consent.
    [13] Accordingly, we hold that the district court’s finding
    that Defendant knowingly and voluntarily consented to the
    search was not clearly erroneous.
    AFFIRMED.
    REINHARDT, Circuit Judge, dissenting:
    The majority opinion further weakens our Fourth Amend-
    ment protections — whatever is left of them. Specifically, I
    disagree, first, with the majority’s holding that Crapser’s ini-
    tial contact with police was consensual. Our holdings in
    United States v. Washington, 
    387 F.3d 1060
    , 1068 (9th Cir.
    2004) and Orhorhaghe v. INS, 
    38 F.3d 488
    (9th Cir. 1994)
    require a contrary result. I likewise disagree with the majori-
    ty’s alternative holding that, if a seizure occurred, the officers
    possessed the requisite suspicion necessary to interrogate
    Crapser about his potential involvement in drug activity.
    None of the factors relied upon by the majority to find reason-
    able suspicion is sufficient to do so, either alone or in the
    aggregate. Finally, because Crapser was illegally seized, his
    consent to the search of the room was invalid, and his motion
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    to suppress should have been granted. Because of those con-
    clusions, I would continue to reserve judgment on whether,
    even if reasonable suspicion exists, a Terry stop may occur
    under the circumstances present here. See 
    Washington, 387 F.3d at 1067-68
    .
    I.   Crapser was seized when he exited the motel room.
    “It is well settled that ‘[t]he Fourth Amendment protection
    against unreasonable searches and seizures is not limited to
    one’s home, but also extends to such places as hotel or motel
    rooms.’ ” United States v. Bautista, 
    362 F.3d 584
    , 589 (9th
    Cir. 2004) (quoting United States v. Cromier, 
    220 F.3d 1103
    ,
    1108-09 (9th Cir. 2000)). Where, as here, police conduct a
    “knock and talk” at a person’s motel room, “the question is
    whether he voluntarily opened the door or, alternatively,
    whether there were coercive circumstances that turned an
    ordinary consensual encounter into one requiring objective
    suspicion.” 
    Cromier, 220 F.3d at 1109
    . In general, it is not “il-
    legal per se, or a condemned invasion of the person’s right of
    privacy, for anyone to . . . knock on the front door of any
    man’s ‘castle’ with the honest intent of asking questions of
    the occupant.” 
    Id. (quoting Davis
    v. United States, 
    327 F.2d 301
    , 303 (9th Cir. 1964)). However, an otherwise permissible
    “knock and talk” becomes a seizure requiring reasonable sus-
    picion where a law enforcement officer, “through coercion,
    ‘physical force[,] or a show of authority, in some way restricts
    the liberty of a person.’ ” 
    Washington, 387 F.3d at 1068
    (quoting United States v. Chan-Jimenez, 
    125 F.3d 1324
    , 1325
    (9th Cir. 1997)) (emphasis added).
    In Orhorhaghe, we identified five factors that aid in deter-
    mining whether a reasonable person approached by police
    officers at his residence would have believed that he was “at
    liberty to ignore the police presence and to go about his busi-
    
    ness.” 38 F.3d at 494
    (quoting Florida v. Bostick 
    501 U.S. 429
    , 437 (1991)). These factors are: (1) the number of officers
    involved; (2) whether the officers’ weapons were displayed;
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    (3) whether the encounter occurred in a public or non-public
    setting; (4) whether the officers’ officious or authoritative
    manner would imply that compliance would be compelled;
    and (5) whether the officers advised the detainee of his right
    to terminate the encounter. 
    Washington, 387 F.3d at 1068
    (cit-
    ing 
    Orhorhaghe, 38 F.3d at 494-96
    ).
    Examining Crapser’s initial encounter with the officers in
    light of these factors, there can be little doubt that he was
    seized. When Crapser exited the room he was confronted by
    four police officers, three of whom were in uniform and visi-
    bly carrying weapons. The encounter occurred on private
    property in a location partially shielded from public view. The
    officers acted in a manner that suggested compliance would
    be compelled, separating Crapser and his companion, interro-
    gating them, and never informing them that they had the right
    to terminate the encounter.
    The majority disregards these facts and fails to undertake
    the requisite analysis under Orhorhaghe, instead merely list-
    ing various factors it believes demonstrate that the encounter
    was voluntary. In so doing, it both misinterprets our case law
    and ignores controlling Ninth Circuit precedent.
    First, the majority concludes that the fact that the officers
    were carrying visible weapons is immaterial because they
    “made no effort to draw the Defendant’s attention to their
    weapons.” Maj. Op. at 169. Thus, the majority appears to be
    under the impression that in order to find that “weapons were
    displayed” under the second Orhorhaghe factor, officers must
    actually draw or draw attention to their weapons. This conclu-
    sion is erroneous under Washington and Orhorhaghe. In
    Washington we held that the fact that “Washington was con-
    fronted by six officers, five of whom were in uniform and vis-
    ibly carrying weapons . . .” weighed against a finding of
    voluntariness, even though none of the officers drew their
    weapons or otherwise drew attention to 
    them. 387 F.3d at 1068
    . Similarly, in Orhorhaghe we held that the fact that the
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    defendant saw that a plain-clothes officer was carrying a
    weapon when he had placed his hand on his hip weighed
    against a finding of voluntariness, notwithstanding the fact
    that the gesture was not intended to draw the defendant’s
    attention to the 
    weapon. 38 F.3d at 495
    . Accordingly, the
    majority’s contention that the fact that the officers were visi-
    bly carrying weapons does not militate against a finding of
    voluntariness is erroneous in light of controlling circuit law.
    Second, the majority errs in finding that the setting in
    which the encounter occurred weighs in favor of a finding of
    voluntariness. Maj. Op. at 169. Specifically, the majority’s
    characterization of the setting as “a sidewalk in public view”
    is belied by the record. As the district court noted, the incident
    occurred on private property, on a walkway between motel
    rooms and a parking area in which “a sign . . . warns that
    parking is reserved for motel guests.” Moreover, testimony at
    the suppression hearing described the area as set far back
    from the street and somewhat shielded from view by a set of
    stairs up to the second floor. Accordingly, while the location
    in which the encounter took place may not weigh as strongly
    against a finding of voluntariness as it would have had it
    occurred in a narrow enclosed hallway “shielded from the
    view of the vast majority of the public,” 
    Washington, 387 F.3d at 1068
    , contrary to the majority’s contention, it never-
    theless tends to support a finding of lack of voluntariness.
    Third, the majority ignores the extent to which the officers’
    conduct and manner “indicated that compliance would be
    compelled.” 
    Washington, 387 F.3d at 1068
    . When Crapser
    and Twilligear emerged from the motel room, they were con-
    fronted by numerous uniformed and armed police officers.
    The officers then separated Crapser from Twilligear for ques-
    tioning and directed Crapser to accompany two officers to a
    location 25 to 30 feet from where Twilligear was being ques-
    tioned. Even after Crapser told the officers that he was not the
    subject of any warrants and that he had been confused with
    someone who had used the alias “Gunner Crapser” in the past,
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    the officers did not indicate that he was free to go. To the con-
    trary, Officer Galloway candidly testified that Crapser was
    not free to terminate the encounter while Officer Phifer
    checked on the identifying information contained in the war-
    rant. Thus, this factor likewise weighs in favor of a finding
    that the encounter was nonconsensual and that Crapser was
    seized. In fact, all five Orhorhaghe factors support such a result.1
    Not only does the majority fail to analyze the encounter in
    light of the Orhorhaghe factors, and to misapply the factors
    it does mention, its conclusion that Crapser was not seized
    conflicts with our holding in Washington, 
    387 F.3d 1060
    .
    There, we held that the defendant had been unlawfully seized
    in violation of the Fourth Amendment during an encounter
    with police outside his room in a residential motel. 
    Id. at 1069.
    As here, police believed that Washington was operating
    a methamphetamine lab inside his room, and several officers
    went to Washington’s room to conduct a knock and talk. 
    Id. at 1063.
    When Washington emerged in response to the knock,
    he “was confronted by six officers, five of whom were uni-
    formed and visibly carrying weapons.” 
    Id. at 1068.
    Police
    then began to question him in the “hallway of his apartment
    building — private property shielded from view of the vast
    majority of the public.” 
    Id. The officers
    moved Washington
    20 to 30 feet away, and refused to heed his request to shut the
    door to his residence. 
    Id. at 1069.
    One of the officers
    reminded Washington several times that his failure to register
    with the Reno Police Department after being arrested for car-
    rying a concealed weapon was an arrestable offence, and that
    he would be arrested if he did not cooperate. 
    Id. At no
    point
    during the interaction did the officers notify Washington that
    he had the right not to answer their questions or that he could
    1
    In addition to the three factors discussed separately in the text the two
    others, the number of officers dispatched to conduct the investigation of
    Crapser and their failure to advise him of his right to terminate the
    encounter also support a conclusion that the encounter was non-
    consensual.
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    terminate the encounter at any time. 
    Id. Analyzing this
    encounter under the Orhorhaghe factors, we held that Wash-
    ington had been seized within the meaning of the Fourth
    Amendment because, “[t]aking into account all of these cir-
    cumstances . . . [a] reasonable person in [Washington’s] posi-
    tion would not have felt ‘at liberty to ignore police presence
    and go about his business.’ ” 
    Id. (quoting Orhorhaghe,
    38
    F.3d at 494).
    Though the facts of Washington are not totally analogous
    to those presented here, there are several distinct similarities,
    including the number of officers involved, the moving of the
    defendant to a location 20 to 30 feet from the door of the
    motel room, the officious manner of the officers, their visible
    carrying of weapons, and the fact that the officers never indi-
    cated the defendant was free to terminate the encounter.
    The majority fails to analyze the facts of the case before us
    in light of Washington, instead concluding that this case is
    controlled by United States v. Cromier, 
    220 F.3d 1103
    (9th
    Cir. 2000). Maj. Op. at 167-69. In Cromier, police learned
    that the defendant, who was a registered sex offender with an
    extensive criminal history, was staying at a motel located in
    a high-crime area. 
    Id. at 1106-07.
    A female police officer,
    Officer Peters, decided to conduct a “knock and talk” inter-
    view with Cromier in order to determine whether he was cur-
    rently involved in any criminal activity. 
    Id. at 1107.
    Peters,
    who was alone and wearing plain clothes, knocked on the
    door to Cromier’s room. 
    Id. When he
    answered, she identified
    herself as a police officer and “asked if she could speak with
    him inside his room so that other motel occupants would not
    overhear their conversation.” 
    Id. Cromier allowed
    Peters to
    enter his room and, when she asked if she could question him,
    he said that she could. 
    Id. Peters then
    asked if she could look
    around and Cromier said “go ahead.” 
    Id. Peters soon
    discov-
    ered a gun in the pocket of a jacket hanging in his closet. 
    Id. We rejected
    Cromier’s argument that he had been seized at
    the time he allowed Peters to enter his motel room because he
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    had been confronted by only a single officer in plain clothes
    and the officer neither displayed a weapon nor spoke to Cro-
    mier in an authoritative tone. 
    Id. at 1110.
    Moreover, Cromier
    failed to present evidence that he had tried to terminate the
    encounter, and there was no testimony that suggested that
    Cromier was “not at liberty to ignore the police presence and
    go about his business.” 
    Id. (quoting Florida
    v. Bostick, 
    501 U.S. 429
    , 437 (1991)).
    While neither Washington nor Cromier present facts that
    are identical to those before us, the facts in Washington are
    clearly far more analogous. Indeed, the only similarity
    between the facts of Cromier and the facts here is that the
    officers did not, in either case, advise the individual in ques-
    tion of his right to terminate the encounter with the police,
    which is true of Washington as well. In all other respects, the
    Cromier police conduct was not only materially different
    from that in Washington and in the case before us but it com-
    pletely failed to meet the Ohorhaghe standards as well. Thus,
    the majority’s conclusion that Crapser’s initial encounter with
    the officers was voluntary is erroneous in light of our holding
    in Washington and the fact that here all five of the
    Orhorhaghe factors weigh against a finding of voluntariness.
    Indeed, looking at the totality of the circumstances, it is clear
    that the established law of this Circuit requires the common-
    sense conclusion that a reasonable person in Crapser’s posi-
    tion would not have felt “at liberty to ignore the police pres-
    ence and to go about his business,” 
    Orhorhaghe, 38 F.3d at 494
    (quoting 
    Bostick, 501 U.S. at 437
    ); thus, even prior to
    Crapser’s production of the syringe, he was seized within the
    meaning of the Fourth Amendment. 
    Id. II. The
    officers did not possess reasonable suspicion to
    question Crapser about drug activity.
    Because Crapser was seized, all evidence obtained as a
    result of the seizure must be excluded unless the police had
    reasonable suspicion to detain and question him. Terry v.
    UNITED STATES v. CRAPSER                   181
    Ohio, 
    392 U.S. 1
    , 27 (1968). Although I agree with the major-
    ity that the officers possessed the requisite suspicion to ques-
    tion Crapser as to whether he was the person named in the
    warrant for James Stover a.k.a. “Gunner Crapser,” I dissent
    from its holding that the officers had reasonable suspicion to
    question him about drug activity, the event from which the
    seizure of the evidence here at issue flowed.
    The scope of an investigative detention “must be carefully
    tailored to its underlying justification.” Florida v. Royer, 
    460 U.S. 491
    , 500 (1983). During a Terry stop, a police officer
    may only “ask questions that are reasonably related in scope
    to the justification for his initiation of contact.” United States
    v. Murillo, 
    255 F.3d 1169
    , 1174 (9th Cir. 2001); see also
    United States v. Chavez-Valenzuela, 
    268 F.3d 719
    , 724 (9th
    Cir. 2001) (“An officer must initially restrict the questions he
    asks during a stop to those that are reasonably related to the
    justification for the stop.”). An officer may expand the scope
    of questioning beyond the initial purpose of the stop only if
    he “articulate[s] suspicious factors that are particularized and
    objective.” 
    Murillo, 255 F.3d at 1174
    ; see also Chavez-
    
    Valenzuela, 268 F.3d at 724
    (stating that an officer may
    expand scope of questioning “only if he notices particularized,
    objective factors arousing his suspicion” (emphasis added));
    United States v. Perez, 
    37 F.3d 510
    , 513 (9th Cir. 1994)
    (same).
    The officers’ reasonable suspicion as to whether Crapser
    was the object of the warrant did not provide reasonable sus-
    picion as to his involvement in drug activity, or allow for
    questioning on that subject. There is no evidence in the record
    indicating that the warrant was for a drug-related offense or
    for anything more serious than a traffic violation. Although
    we do not know the precise questions asked by Officer Gallo-
    way prior to Crapser’s production of the syringe, the district
    court found that they related to drugs. As such, this interroga-
    tion was permissible only if there were particularized, objec-
    tive factors that justified an expansion of the scope of the
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    inquiry from Crapser’s identity vis-a-vis the Crapser warrant
    to the subject of narcotics. See United States v. Murillo, 
    255 F.3d 1169
    , 1174 (9th Cir. 2001).
    The majority holds that Officer Galloway had the requisite
    suspicion to question Crapser about his involvement in drug
    activity because
    (1) Defendant displayed extremely nervous behavior,
    in contrast to his behavior a week earlier when the
    same officers had stopped him for another reason;
    (2) Barrett, upon being arrested, had said that the
    pressure-cooker in the trunk of his vehicle belonged
    to Gunner Crapser, and a pressure-cooker could be
    used in methamphetamine production; (3) Twilligear
    admitted to being a methamphetamine user and told
    police that other people had come and gone from
    Room 114 the previous night; and (4) between the
    time Twilligear nodded her assent to talk to Shanks
    and the time she and Defendant emerged, two min-
    utes elapsed, during which the police heard the
    sounds of people moving things around the room.
    Maj. Op. at 170. This holding is erroneous. First, Twilligear’s
    statements regarding her own methamphetamine use and the
    coming and goings from Room 114 cannot support a finding
    of reasonable suspicion, if only because they were not known
    to Officer Galloway at the time he questioned Crapser about
    drug activity. Second, the remaining factors — viewed indi-
    vidually and in the aggregate — were insufficient to provide
    Galloway with reasonable suspicion that Crapser was
    involved in drug activity.
    As noted, Officer Galloway was unaware that Twilligear
    had admitted to using methamphetamine at the time he ques-
    tioned Crapser about his involvement in drug activity. Crapser
    and Twilligear were questioned simultaneously by different
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    officers and were separated by 25-30 feet.2 Officer Shanks, to
    whom Twilligear admitted using methamphetamine, did not
    join Crapser and Galloway until after Galloway had ques-
    tioned Crapser about drugs and Crapser had produced the
    syringe.3 Accordingly, Galloway did not know of Twilligear’s
    admission at the time he questioned Crapser about drug activ-
    2
    The majority states that Crapser and Twilligear, along with the officers
    questioning them were separated by 10-25 feet. However, Officer Shanks
    testified that the distance between the two groups was 25-30 feet.
    3
    Indeed, the district court found that Shanks did not approach Crapser
    and Galloway until after Galloway questioned Crapser about his involve-
    ment in drug activity. Specifically, it found that, after Crapser and Twillig-
    ear exited the motel room
    Deputy Shanks asked Deputies Galloway and Phifer to speak
    with Defendant to determine whether he was the person identi-
    fied in the arrest warrant. The three of them moved a short dis-
    tance away. In the meantime, Deputies Shanks and Timms spoke
    with Twilligear. . . . Deputy Phifer left Deputy Galloway and
    Defendant and ran a computer check [on the warrant] in his
    patrol vehicle. While Deputy Phifer was away and Defendant and
    Deputy Galloway were talking, Defendant unexpectedly pulled a
    syringe from his right back pocket and said to Deputy Galloway,
    “This is all I have on me.” . . . [T]he Court concluded it is likely
    Deputy Galloway asked Defendant something about drugs before
    Defendant produced the syringe. . . . After Deputy Phifer con-
    firmed that Defendant’s physical description (including tattoos)
    did not match the wanted person, Deputy Phifer returned from his
    patrol car and told Deputy Galloway that Defendant was “clear.”
    . . . Deputy Galloway decided to “pat-down” the defendant to
    ensure he did not have anything besides the syringe on his person
    that could be used as a weapon. Deputy Galloway found nothing
    of concern during the pat-down. . . . About this time, which was
    approximately five minutes after Defendant and Twilligear first
    came out of Room 114, Deputy Shanks joined Deputy Galloway,
    Deputy Phifer and Defedant. Deputy Shanks learned about the
    syringe and was present during the pat-down.
    Thus, the district court’s findings of fact make clear that, at the time Gal-
    loway asked Crapser “something about drugs,” Shanks had not yet
    informed him of Twilligear’s statements with respect to her drug use and
    the comings and goings from Room 114.
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    ity, and it therefore cannot be used to support reasonable sus-
    picion.
    At the time that Galloway interrogated Crapser, the only
    factors that could have provided him with reasonable suspi-
    cion that Crapser was involved in drug activity were the (1)
    pressure cooker found in Barrett’s car, which Barrett stated
    belonged to Crapser, (2) the two minutes that transpired
    between the time that the officers knocked on the door to the
    motel room and when Crapser and Twilligear emerged, and
    (3) Crapser’s nervousness when confronted by a group of
    armed police officers.4 The pressure cooker cannot provide
    any basis for reasonable suspicion absent some evidence of
    drug activity. A pressure cooker is a common, legal kitchen
    appliance, most often used to cook foods such as beans, rice,
    and barley. There is no indication in the record that the pres-
    sure cooker contained drug residue or any other characteris-
    tics that would suggest that it had ever been used for unlawful
    purposes. Nor is there anything in the record connecting Bar-
    rett to drug activity.5 Thus, Barrett’s possession of the pres-
    sure cooker that he told the officers was owned by Crapser
    adds nothing to the equation.
    Similarly, neither the two minutes that transpired between
    4
    The warrant provides no basis for reasonable suspicion of narcotics
    activity. Although at the time of the questioning the officers had not defin-
    itively established that Crapser was not the person named in the warrant,
    they were aware that he likely was not that person because Crapser did not
    match the physical description in the warrant and the warrant specifically
    warned officers that there might be more than one person using the name
    “Gunner Crapser.” Moreover, as noted above, even if the officers believed
    that Crapser was the person described in the warrant, the warrant does not
    provide reasonable suspicion of drug activity because there is no indica-
    tion that the warrant related to a drug related crime.
    5
    Barrett was arrested during a traffic stop because there was an out-
    standing warrant for his arrest. The record does not reveal what that war-
    rant was for or whether anything, besides the pressure cooker, was found
    in Barrett’s car.
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    the time the officers knocked on the door of Twilligear’s
    motel room and the time she and Crapser emerged, nor the
    fact the officers heard people moving about the room, sug-
    gests that anyone was involved in drug activity. Nothing in
    the record suggests that either Crapser or Twilligear was
    doing anything other than simply getting out of bed and put-
    ting on clothes or straightening up before opening the door.
    Accordingly, the two minute period, alone or in conjunction
    with the other facts pointed to by the majority, does not give
    rise to reasonable suspicion. In fact, Twilligear indicated to
    the officers, shortly after they knocked, that she would open
    the door so that they could speak with her. (At this point, the
    police had not suggested that Crapser rather than she was the
    object of their inquiry.) That it took Summer Twilligear, an
    exotic dancer, two minutes to get ready to make a public
    appearance for an interview is hardly a suspicious circum-
    stance.
    Nor did Crapser’s apparent nervousness, by itself or in
    combination with the pressure cooker and Twilligear’s two
    minute delay before opening her motel room door, provide
    reasonable suspicion that Crapser was involved in drug activ-
    ity. Nervousness upon being approached, detained, and ques-
    tioned by a group of visibly armed police officers is far too
    common to be of much probative value, nor does it suggest
    that a person is involved in drug activity as opposed to other
    unlawful conduct. The nervousness is especially understand-
    able in Crapser’s case as the same group of armed officers
    had detained him only a week before, and were now back on
    his doorstep for further interrogation. Moreover, although this
    court has held that nervousness may in some instances be con-
    sidered as part of the totality of the circumstances demonstrat-
    ing reasonable suspicion, all Ninth Circuit cases relying on
    nervousness involved other factors that were more inculpatory
    than the two innocuous other factors involved here. See, e.g.,
    United States v. Perez, 
    37 F.3d 510
    , 514 (9th Cir. 1994) (con-
    sidering nervousness as one of six factors); United States v.
    Baron, 
    94 F.3d 1312
    , 1319 (9th Cir. 1996) (same). In Crap-
    186                    UNITED STATES v. CRAPSER
    ser’s case, there are no other factors suggesting that he was
    involved in drug activity, other than the immaterial facts that
    another individual was stopped with a pressure cooker that
    allegedly belonged to him and that it took him and his female
    friend Twilligear two minutes to emerge from the motel room.
    Thus, considering the totality of the circumstances, Galloway
    did not possess the requisite suspicion necessary to expand
    the Terry stop to include an interrogation regarding Crapser’s
    alleged involvement in drug activity.6 Because the drug inter-
    rogation was not related to the legitimate purpose of the stop
    — namely determining whether the Gunner Crapser staying
    with Twilligear in her motel room was the same “Gunner
    Crapser” named in the warrant — it violated the Fourth
    Amendment. 
    Murillo, 255 F.3d at 1174
    ; Chavez-
    Valenzuela, 268 F.3d at 724
    .
    6
    In reaching the opposite conclusion, the majority relies on United
    States v. Arvisu, 
    534 U.S. 266
    , 273-74 (2002), in which the Supreme Court
    held that courts must look to the “totality of the circumstances” in evaluat-
    ing whether an officer possessed reasonable suspicion and may find rea-
    sonable suspicion where a series of facts that in themselves are innocuous
    would, when taken together, provide a reasonable officer with a “ ‘particu-
    larized and objective basis’ for suspecting legal wrongdoing.” Arvisu does
    nothing to disturb the requirement that the facts, taken collectively, must
    suggest that criminal activity is afoot. Arvisu involved a combination of
    eight factors which in combination suggested to a reasonable officer that
    a drug violation was in progress. 
    Id. at 270-72.
    Here, the facts known to
    Officer Galloway at the time he questioned Crapser about drugs — that
    he allegedly owned a pressure cooker, that he appeared nervous, and that
    it took him a few minutes to exit the motel room with his lady friend,
    Summer Twilligear after the police knocked on his door — viewed collec-
    tively, simply do not suggest that Crapser was involved in criminal activ-
    ity. They certainly do not provide a “particularized and objective basis”
    for suspecting that he was engaged in illegal drug activity. After Arvisu
    it is still the function of the courts to review an officer’s asserted grounds
    for suspicion and determine whether collectively they provide an objec-
    tively reasonable basis for a Terry stop. Accordingly, the majority’s reli-
    ance on Arvisu does not save its misapplication of Terry.
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    III.    The legality of a Terry stop when officers approach a
    suspect at his residence is a question that need not be
    resolved here.
    Because I would hold that there was no reasonable suspi-
    cion that would justify a Terry stop here, I would not address
    the question whether police officers may request an individual
    to step outside his home and then conduct a Terry-stop as
    soon as he does. See 
    Washington, 387 F.3d at 1068
    (expressly
    not deciding this issue because the detention and search there
    at issue were unlawful under traditional Terry analysis). Were
    I to reach this issue, I am far from convinced that I would
    reach the same conclusion as the majority. In Washington we
    noted that, while the Supreme Court has expanded the scope
    of what constitutes a permissible Terry stop over the years, “it
    has never expanded Terry to allow a Terry-stop at an individ-
    ual’s home.” 
    Id. at 1067.
    We further observed that,
    Terry’s twin rationales for a brief investigatory
    detention — the evasive nature of the activities
    police observe on the street and the limited nature of
    the intrusion — appear to be inapplicable to an
    encounter at a suspect’s home. Officers on the beat
    may lose a suspect before the officers have gathered
    enough information to have probable cause for an
    arrest. In contrast, officers who know where a sus-
    pect lives have the opportunity to investigate until
    they develop probable cause, all the while knowing
    where to find the suspect. Because “[n]owhere is the
    protective force of the Fourth Amendment more
    powerful than [within] the sanctity of the home,” the
    second rationale for a Terry-stop seems almost
    absent by definition when the intrusion is at the sus-
    pect’s home.
    
    Id. at 1067-68
    (internal citations omitted).7 Moreover, we
    7
    In reaching the opposite conclusion, the majority relies on our decision
    in United States v. Vaneaton, 
    49 F.3d 1423
    , 1426-27 (9th Cir. 1995), in
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    have repeatedly held that an intrusion into someone’s home
    may not be premised on Terry’s reasonable suspicion stan-
    dard. See United States v. Martinez, 
    406 F.3d 1160
    , 1165 (9th
    Cir. 2005) (“Certainly, the usual rules pertaining to Terry
    stops do not apply in homes.”); LaLande v. County of River-
    side, 
    204 F.3d 947
    , 953-54 (9th Cir. 2000) (“The reasons that
    gave rise to the rule in Terry are simply not applicable to a
    warrantless entry to seize a person within his home.”); United
    States v. Winsor, 
    846 F.2d 1569
    , 1577-78 (9th Cir. 1988) (en
    banc) (rejecting the position that Terry’s reduced Fourth
    Amendment standards can be applied to a warrantless entry to
    search for property within a home, even when the search
    involves a highly limited intrusion); see also Payton v. New
    York, 
    455 U.S. 573
    , 589 (1980) (reversing a state-court ruling
    that relied on the premise that a warrantless entry to seize a
    person within a home can be held to Terry’s lower Fourth
    Amendment standard).
    Because the rationales that underlie the Terry doctrine do
    not support the extension of that doctrine to cases in which
    the encounter occurs immediately outside the home of a
    defendant who has been requested to step outside so that he
    may be questioned, 
    Washington, 387 F.3d at 1067-68
    , and
    because given the lack of reasonable suspicion no basis for a
    Terry stop exists here, I would follow Washington and reserve
    judgment regarding any such extension of Terry to a case in
    which the issue is properly before us. 
    Id. at 1068.
    which we held that, where police officers use no force, threats, or subter-
    fuge, a person who voluntarily opens the door to his home in response to
    a knock at the door by police gives up his Fourth Amendment right against
    warrantless arrest in his home by exposing himself to public view. The
    majority reasons that, “[i]f an arrest in the doorway is allowed, certainly
    the lesser intrusion of a Terry stop in the hallway is also permissible.”
    Maj. Op. at 172. In reaching this conclusion, it fails to address the fact that
    the rationales underlying the Terry doctrine do not support the extension
    of the Vaneaton rule to the Terry context, an observation we made in
    Washington.
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    IV.   Crapser’s subsequent consent to the search of his motel
    room did not “purge the taint” of the illegal seizure and
    interrogation.
    Because Crapser’s arrest and his eventual consent to the
    search of his motel room resulted from an illegal investigatory
    stop, further inquiry is necessary to determine whether the
    evidence subsequently obtained should be excluded on that
    basis notwithstanding Crapser’s subsequent consent to the
    search of his person and the motel room. In general, “evi-
    dence obtained subsequent to an illegal investigation is tainted
    by the illegality and thus inadmissible, notwithstanding . . .
    consent, unless subsequent events have purged the taint.”
    United States v. Bautista, 362 F.3d, 584 592 (quoting United
    States v. Chavez-Valenzuela, 
    268 F.3d 719
    , 727 (9th Cir.
    2001)). “In determining whether the taint has been suffi-
    ciently purged, we ask whether, granting establishment of the
    primary illegality, the evidence has been come at by exploita-
    tion of the illegality or instead by means sufficiently distin-
    guishable to be purged of the primary taint.” 
    Id. “Elements to
    be considered in answering this question include temporal
    proximity between illegality and consent and the presence of
    intervening circumstances.” 
    Chavez-Valenzuela, 268 F.3d at 727
    .
    In Bautista we held that, where officers entered the defen-
    dant’s hotel room without a warrant and without consent, the
    fact that the defendant’s wife subsequently consented to the
    search was not sufficient to purge the taint of the illegal entry
    because “the government points to no ‘significant intervening
    time, space or event’ between the officer’s illegal conduct and
    Mrs. Baustista’s consent.” 
    Id. (quoting Jones
    , 286 F.3d at
    1152). Consequently, we held that “Mrs. Bautista’s consent
    was tainted and the evidence obtained pursuant to it should
    have been suppressed.” 
    Id. Here, as
    in Bautista, the government cannot point to any
    “significant intervening time, space or event” between the
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    unlawful seizure and Crapser’s consent to the search of his
    person and his motel room. “In other words, the government
    has not shown that there was a break in the chain of events
    sufficient to refute the inference that the search . . . [was the]
    product[ ] of the illegal [seizure].” 
    Id. (quoting United
    States
    v. Twilley, 
    222 F.3d 1092
    , 1097 (9th Cir. 2000)). “Conse-
    quently, [Crapser’s] consent was tainted and the evidence
    obtained pursuant to it should have been suppressed.” 
    Id. I would
    hold that the district court erred in denying Crap-
    ser’s motion to suppress. Accordingly, I respectfully dissent.