Anderson v. Terhune ( 2008 )


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  •                  FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    JEROME ALVIN ANDERSON,                    No. 04-17237
    Petitioner-Appellant,
    v.                           D.C. No.
    CV-00-02494-WBS
    C.A. TERHUNE, Director,
    OPINION
    Respondent-Appellee.
    
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Eastern District of California
    William B. Shubb, District Judge, Presiding
    Argued and Submitted
    October 9, 2007—San Francisco, California
    Filed February 15, 2008
    Before: Mary M. Schroeder, Stephen Reinhardt,
    Sidney R. Thomas, Barry G. Silverman,
    M. Margaret McKeown, Kim McLane Wardlaw,
    William A. Fletcher, Ronald M. Gould, Richard A. Paez,
    Richard C. Tallman, Johnnie B. Rawlinson,
    Richard R. Clifton, Consuelo M. Callahan, Carlos T. Bea,
    and Sandra S. Ikuta, Circuit Judges.
    Opinion by Judge McKeown;
    Concurrence by Judge Silverman;
    Partial Concurrence and Partial Dissent by Judge Bea;
    Dissent by Judge Tallman
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    ANDERSON v. TERHUNE                  1381
    COUNSEL
    Charles M. Bonneau (argued), Sacramento, California, for the
    petitioner-appellant.
    Rachelle A. Newcomb, Deputy Attorney General (argued)
    and Edmund G. Brown, Jr., Attorney General; Dane R. Gil-
    lette, Chief Assistant Attorney General; Michael P. Farrell,
    Senior Assistant Attorney General; Stephen G. Herndon,
    Supervising Deputy Attorney General; Brian R. Means, Dep-
    uty Attorney General; Sacramento, California, for the
    respondent-appellee.
    Peter C. Pfaffenroth (argued), Jeffrey T. Green, Harold L.
    Rogers, Sidley Austin LLP, Washington, DC; Charles D.
    Weisselberg, University of California School of Law (Boalt
    Hall), Berkeley, California; David M. Porter, Sacramento,
    California; Sheryl Gordon McCloud, Seattle, Washington, for
    amicus curiae National Association of Criminal Defense Law-
    yers.
    OPINION
    McKEOWN, Circuit Judge:
    It is likely that few Americans can profess fluency in the
    Bill of Rights, but the Fifth Amendment is surely an excep-
    tion. From television shows like “Law & Order” to movies
    such as “Guys and Dolls,” we are steeped in the culture that
    knows a person in custody has “the right to remain silent.”
    Miranda is practically a household word. And surely, when a
    criminal defendant says, “I plead the Fifth,” it doesn’t take a
    trained linguist, a Ph.D, or a lawyer to know what he means.
    Indeed, as early as 1955, the Supreme Court recognized that
    “in popular parlance and even in legal literature, the term
    ‘Fifth Amendment’ in the context of our time is commonly
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    regarded as being synonymous with the privilege against self-
    incrimination.” Quinn v. United States, 
    349 U.S. 155
    , 163
    (1955); accord In re Johnny V., 
    149 Cal. Rptr. 180
    , 184, 188
    (Cal. Ct. App. 1978) (holding that the statement “I’ll take the
    fifth” was an assertion of the Fifth Amendment privilege).
    More recently, the Court highlighted that “Miranda has
    become embedded in routine police practice to the point
    where the warnings have become part of our national culture.”
    Dickerson v. United States, 
    530 U.S. 428
    , 443 (2000).
    We granted rehearing en banc1 in this appeal from the dis-
    trict court’s denial of Jerome Alvin Anderson’s petition for
    writ of habeas corpus. Anderson challenges his conviction of
    special circumstances murder on the grounds that he was
    denied his constitutional right to remain silent and that admis-
    sion of his involuntary confession into evidence violated his
    right to due process. Specifically, Anderson claims that he
    invoked his Fifth Amendment right to terminate his police
    interrogation and that the police officer’s continued question-
    ing violated that right.
    Anderson twice attempted to stop police questioning, stat-
    ing “I don’t even wanna talk about this no more,” and “Uh!
    I’m through with this.” After questioning continued, Ander-
    son stated unequivocally, “I plead the Fifth.” Instead of hon-
    oring this unambiguous invocation of the Fifth Amendment,
    the officer queried, “Plead the Fifth. What’s that?” and then
    continued the questioning, ultimately obtaining a confession.
    It is rare for the courts to see such a pristine invocation of the
    Fifth Amendment and extraordinary to see such flagrant disre-
    gard of the right to remain silent.
    The state court held that Anderson’s statement, “I plead the
    Fifth,” was ambiguous and that the officer asked a legitimate
    clarifying question. Under even the narrowest construction of
    1
    Anderson v. Terhune, 
    467 F.3d 1208
    (9th Cir. 2006), reh’g en banc
    granted, 
    486 F.3d 1155
    (9th Cir. 2007).
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    the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act, 28 U.S.C.
    § 2254(d) (“AEDPA”), the state court erred in failing to rec-
    ognize this constitutional violation. The continued question-
    ing violated the Supreme Court’s bright-line rule established
    in Miranda. Once a person invokes the right to remain silent,
    all questioning must cease:
    If the individual indicates in any manner, at any time
    prior to or during questioning, that he wishes to
    remain silent, the interrogation must cease. At this
    point he has shown that he intends to exercise his
    Fifth Amendment privilege; any statement taken
    after the person invokes his privilege cannot be other
    than the product of compulsion, subtle or otherwise.
    Miranda v. Arizona, 
    384 U.S. 436
    , 473-74 (1966); see also
    Michigan v. Mosley, 
    423 U.S. 96
    , 103 (1975) (explaining that
    once a defendant has invoked his right to remain silent, that
    right must be “scrupulously honored”) (quoting 
    Miranda, 384 U.S. at 479
    ).
    An examination of the interrogation transcript2 reveals that
    the state court’s conclusion that Anderson’s invocation was
    ambiguous was an unreasonable application of Miranda and
    based on an unreasonable determination of the facts. See 28
    U.S.C. § 2254(d)(1), (2). Only one reasonable conclusion can
    be gleaned from his statements, especially his last declaration,
    “I plead the Fifth”: Anderson invoked his right to remain
    silent and wanted to end the interrogation. Construing the
    officer’s statement, “Plead the Fifth? What’s that?”, as asking
    2
    Anderson filed a motion requesting that the en banc panel take judicial
    notice of the entire transcript of the interrogation. We asked the parties to
    clarify whether either the complete transcript or the audio tape of the inter-
    rogation was part of the record before the state appellate court. The answer
    is unclear, although it is undisputed that both were available to the court.
    Thus, we consider both to be part of the record in this appeal. Nonetheless,
    whether one considers the transcript or the audio tape, the result is the
    same.
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    what Anderson meant is also an unreasonable determination
    of the facts. 
    Id. § 2254(d)(2).
    These errors were not harmless
    and, accordingly, we reverse the judgment of the district court
    and remand with directions to grant the writ of habeas corpus.
    I.   BACKGROUND
    Anderson and the victim, Robert Clark, were friends. On
    the morning of July 9, 1997, a mutual acquaintance, Patricia
    Kuykendall, discovered that her car had been stolen. Ander-
    son and Kuykendall suspected that Clark was involved and
    later that morning confronted him at Kuykendall’s house.
    Kuykendall began yelling at Clark, but Anderson remained
    calm. When Clark denied that he stole the car, he appeared
    edgy and nervous. As Kuykendall left the room to call the
    police, Clark left the house. Anderson and Kuykendall’s
    roommate, Abe Santos, left ten minutes later, stating they
    were going to follow Clark.
    Clark’s body was discovered by the side of a road later that
    afternoon. He had been shot in the head four times. Investiga-
    tors found a methamphetamine pipe lying between Clark’s
    arm and body. A cigarette lighter was resting on Clark’s
    stomach under his right hand. Pieces of a partially-eaten ham-
    burger and a fresh cigarette butt were also near the body, as
    well as spent .22 caliber shell casings.
    The police asked Anderson to come in for an interview two
    days later, July 11. During the interview, Anderson explained
    that on the day of the murder he saw Clark at Kuykendall’s
    apartment in the morning, but that he and Santos left to buy
    some hamburgers, after which they went to Santos’s father’s
    house and to a car wash.
    The police took Anderson into custody for a parole viola-
    tion on July 12. Four officers interviewed Anderson for
    approximately three and a half hours. Despite clear and
    ANDERSON v. TERHUNE                     1385
    repeated invocations of his right to remain silent, the officer
    continued to question Anderson about the murder:
    Officer:    You act like you’re cryin’ like a baby, an’
    you can’t cry for someone that was a no
    good . . . an’ you killed him for a good
    reason.
    Anderson: No, way! No, way. I — You know what,
    I don’t even wanna talk about this no
    more. We can talk about it later or what-
    ever. I don’t want to talk about this no
    more. That’s wrong. That’s wrong.
    Officer:    Right now, you show your remorse.
    Immediately after this exchange, the officer continued to
    interrogate Anderson regarding his drug use on the day of the
    murder, including whether Anderson had used pipes. This
    questioning is significant because the murder victim was
    found with a pipe next to him. The entire conversation was
    about the murder. In response to this questioning, Anderson
    unambiguously indicated that he wanted to end the interroga-
    tion by stating that he was “through with this,” wanted to “be
    taken into custody” and “I plead the Fifth.” The relevant por-
    tion of the transcript is so extraordinary that it bears repeating.
    Anderson: I have nothin’ to worry about, nothin’ to
    hide. That’s why I show no remorse.
    Nothin’ to worry about, nothin’ to hide.
    He was my friend, an’ there’s no way I
    would do it. No, way I would do it.
    Officer:    Were you high that day?
    Anderson: No, sir. I — probably was later on. Yes.
    Officer:    Did you have any dope with you that . . .
    that day?
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    Anderson: No, sir.
    Officer:   No, dope at all? What do you smoke
    with?
    Anderson: I smoke with my . . . my fingers.
    Officer:   When you smoke your dope what do you
    do with that? How do you smoke that?
    Anderson: You smoke it with pipes and stuff like
    that.
    Officer:   Okay. What kind of pipes?
    Anderson: Lines.
    Officer:   What kind of pipes?
    Anderson: N’ah . . . I would — I —
    Officer:   Well, what kind of pipes?
    Anderson: Uh! I’m through with this. I’m through.
    I wanna be taken into custody, with my
    parole . . .
    Officer:   Well, you already are. I wanna know
    what kinda pipes you have?
    Anderson: I plead the [F]ifth.
    Officer:   Plead the [F]ifth. What’s that?
    Anderson: No, you guys are wrong. You guys are
    wrong. You guys have—I’ve tried to tell
    you everything I know. As far as I know,
    you guys are lying, uh, making things up,
    ANDERSON v. TERHUNE                     1387
    extenuating and that’s not right. It’s not
    right.
    Officer:    We’re not makin’ anything up.
    Anderson: Sir, sure you are.
    Officer:    What are we makin’ up?
    Anderson: You’re tellin’ me that I didn’t have tears
    in my eyes.
    Officer:    Yeah.
    Anderson: You’re tellin’ me, okay, that, uh, uh, Abe
    said I kilt him. That’s a lie.
    The questioning continued until Anderson asked for a law-
    yer: “I’d like to have an attorney present.” At that juncture,
    an officer turned off the tape recorder and, somewhat suspi-
    ciously, following this hiatus, the officers concluded that
    Anderson wanted to reinitiate the discussion. The further
    questioning, which took place over a three-hour period, led to
    a confession by Anderson.
    Anderson was convicted of special circumstances murder.
    On appeal, as in the trial court, he challenged the admissibility
    of his confession, arguing that it was obtained in violation of
    Miranda and of his Fifth Amendment right to remain silent.
    The California Court of Appeal rejected Anderson’s argu-
    ment. The court concluded that Anderson’s invocation of his
    right to remain silent was ambiguous and that the officer
    asked a legitimate clarifying question when he responded to
    Anderson’s statement, “I plead the [F]ifth,” with “Plead the
    [F]ifth. What’s that?” The state appellate court reasoned that
    Anderson could have been refusing to talk about his drug use,
    and did not intend to terminate the interview. The state court
    further held that Anderson waived any invocation of the right
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    to silence or to counsel when he re-initiated the interrogation
    after the officers turned off the tape.
    II.    STANDARD OF REVIEW
    Under AEDPA, a writ of habeas corpus may not be granted
    unless the state court’s decision (1) resulted in a decision that
    was contrary to, or involved an unreasonable application of,
    clearly established federal law, as determined by the Supreme
    Court of the United States; or (2) resulted in a decision that
    was based on an unreasonable determination of the facts in
    light of the evidence presented in the state court proceeding.
    28 U.S.C. § 2254(d)(1), (2). Although this standard requires
    us to give considerable deference to the state courts, AEDPA
    deference is not a rubber stamp. See Miller-El v. Dretke, 
    545 U.S. 231
    , 240, 265 (2005) (refusing to accept a state court’s
    “dismissive and strained interpretation” of the prisoner’s evi-
    dence on habeas review and, noting that “[d]eference does not
    by definition preclude relief”). The state court decision here
    collides with AEDPA on all grounds. It reflects both an
    unreasonable application of Miranda, which is clearly estab-
    lished federal law, and an unreasonable determination of the
    facts.
    III.   IN Contravention of MIRANDA, THE STATE COURT
    UNREASONABLY     CONCLUDED    THAT    ANDERSON’S
    INVOCATION (“I PLEAD THE FIFTH”) WAS AMBIGUOUS
    [1] Following the issuance of Miranda in 1966 and the lit-
    erally thousands of cases that repeat its rationale, we rarely
    have occasion to address a situation in which the defendant
    not only uses the facially unambiguous words “I plead the
    Fifth,” but surrounds that invocation with a clear desire not to
    talk any more. The state court accurately recognized that
    under Miranda, “if [an] individual indicates in any manner, at
    any time prior to or during questioning, that he wishes to
    remain silent, the interrogation must 
    cease,” 384 U.S. at 473
    -
    ANDERSON v. TERHUNE                         1389
    74, but then went on to eviscerate that conclusion by stating
    that the comments were “ambiguous in context”:
    In the present case, the defendant’s comments were
    ambiguous in context because they could have been
    interpreted as not wanting officers to pursue the par-
    ticulars of his drug use as opposed to not wanting to
    continue the questioning at all. By asking defendant
    what he meant by pleading the fifth, the officer
    asked a legitimate clarifying question.
    [2] Using “context” to transform an unambiguous invoca-
    tion into open-ended ambiguity defies both common sense
    and established Supreme Court law. It is not that context is
    unimportant, but it simply cannot be manufactured by strain-
    ing to raise a question regarding the intended scope of a
    facially unambiguous invocation of the right to silence. As the
    Supreme Court has observed, in invoking a constitutional
    right, “a suspect need not ‘speak with the discrimination of an
    Oxford don.’ ” Davis v. United States, 
    512 U.S. 452
    , 459 (1994)3
    (quoting 
    id. at 476
    (Souter, J., concurring in judgment)).
    Anderson would meet even this erudite standard. Miranda
    requires only that the suspect “indicate[ ] in any manner . . .
    that he wishes to remain silent.” 
    Miranda, 384 U.S. at 473-74
    .
    [3] This is not a case where the officers or the court were
    left scratching their heads as to what Anderson meant.4 Noth-
    3
    We acknowledge that Davis is an invocation of counsel case under
    Miranda, not a Fifth Amendment right to silence case. We rely on
    Miranda and Mosley, not Davis, as “clearly established” law. See Evans
    v. Demosthenes, 
    98 F.3d 1174
    , 1176 (9th Cir. 1996) (declining to address
    whether Davis applies to right to silence cases). Nonetheless, the general
    principles from cases involving the clarity of invocation of rights during
    custodial interrogation are instructive as to common sense interpretation
    of language.
    4
    The trial court stated, “while the defendant articulated words that
    could, in the isolation [sic], be viewed as an invocation of his right to
    remain silent, the defendant did not intend to terminate the interview.”
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    ing was ambiguous about the statement “I plead the Fifth.”
    Ambiguity means “admitting more than one interpretation or
    reference” or “having a double meaning or reference.” The
    New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary (1993). Even if the
    preliminary statements “I don’t even wanna talk about this no
    more” and “I’m through with this. I’m through. I wanna be
    taken in custody,” were viewed as somewhat equivocal—a
    dubious conclusion at best—“I plead the Fifth” left no room
    for doubt.
    As we recently observed, “neither the Supreme Court nor
    this court has required that a suspect seeking to invoke his
    right to silence provide any statement more explicit or more
    technically-worded than ‘I have nothing to say.’ ” Arnold v.
    Runnels, 
    421 F.3d 859
    , 865 (9th Cir. 2005). We went on to
    underscore that Arnold’s statement easily met the Fifth
    Amendment standard: “Indeed, it is difficult to imagine how
    much more clearly a layperson like Arnold could have
    expressed his desire to remain silent.” 
    Id. at 866.
    [4] Anderson did not equivocate in his invocation by using
    words such as “maybe” or “might” or “I think.” See 
    id. at 865-66
    (distinguishing cases in which the court concluded
    that a qualified invocation was ambiguous from cases in
    which the invocation of the right to silence was specific and
    unambiguous). Nor was there anything ambiguous in Ander-
    son declaring, “I plead the Fifth.” Anderson had already twice
    attempted to stop the police questioning using crystal-clear
    language: “I don’t want to talk about this no more” and “Uh!
    I’m through with this. I’m through. I wanna be taken into cus-
    (emphasis added). Similarly, the state court of appeal stated, “In the pres-
    ent case, the defendant’s comments were ambiguous in context because
    they could have been interpreted as not wanting officers to pursue the par-
    ticulars of his drug use as opposed to not wanting to continue the ques-
    tioning at all.” (emphasis added). Obviously, the court recognized that “I
    plead the Fifth” was an invocation of the right to silence; it detected
    ambiguity only as to the scope of the invocation.
    ANDERSON v. TERHUNE                   1391
    tody . . . .” Saying that he wanted to be taken into custody was
    an indication that Anderson did not want to talk about the
    murder, his drug use, or anything else. Thus, the state court
    was unreasonable in concluding that the invocation was
    ambiguous in context because the context, in fact, makes it
    clear that Anderson wanted to end the interrogation in all
    respects. Anderson had the right to end the interrogation at
    any point and the fact that Anderson had answered the offi-
    cers’ questions for over two hours does not somehow under-
    mine or cast doubt on an unambiguous invocation. Whether
    these were “statements of frustration,” as the government pos-
    ited at oral argument, misses the point. A suspect can both be
    frustrated with an interrogation and seek to terminate it. “Tak-
    ing the Fifth” is as unequivocal as one can get in invoking the
    right to remain silent.
    IV.   THE STATE COURT’S CONCLUSION THAT THE OFFICER
    ASKED A LEGITIMATE CLARIFYING QUESTION WAS AN
    UNREASONABLE DETERMINATION OF THE FACTS
    [5] Anderson’s unambiguous, unequivocal invocation
    should have brought an immediate end to questioning. Nota-
    bly, the Supreme Court’s commitment to Miranda’s funda-
    mental tenet—that police must “scrupulously honor[ ]” a
    suspect’s right to remain silent by immediately ceasing ques-
    tioning when the suspect invokes this 
    right, 384 U.S. at 479
    (emphasis added)—has never wavered. See 
    Mosley, 423 U.S. at 103
    (Miranda’s “critical safeguard” is “a person’s ‘right to
    cut off questioning’ ”); see also Arizona v. Roberson, 
    486 U.S. 675
    , 683 (1988); Kolender v. Lawson, 
    461 U.S. 352
    , 368
    n.6 (1983) (Brennan, J., concurring); cf. 
    Dickerson, 530 U.S. at 440
    (reaffirming constitutional requirement that “the exer-
    cise of [Miranda] rights must be fully honored”).
    [6] Instead of scrupulously honoring the request, the inter-
    rogating officer decided to “play dumb,” hoping to keep
    Anderson talking by inquiring, “Plead the Fifth. What’s that?”
    This effort to keep the conversation going was almost comi-
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    cal. At best, the officer was mocking and provoking Ander-
    son. The officer knew what “I plead the Fifth” meant. It is
    thus baffling that the state court determined that “[b]y asking
    defendant what he meant by pleading the Fifth, the officers
    asked a legitimate clarifying question.” The need for clarifica-
    tion presumes some ambiguity or uncertainty. Nothing needed
    clarification.
    This situation brings to mind the phrase attributed to a
    Canadian judge— “won’t take no for an answer”—and later
    popularized in country music as “What part of ‘no’ don’t you
    understand?”5 What about the words “I plead the Fifth” is
    unclear, ambiguous, or confusing to a reasonable officer?
    Nothing. See Connecticut v. Barrett, 
    479 U.S. 523
    , 529
    (1987) (holding in the context of the invocation of the right
    to counsel that “[i]nterpretation is only required where the
    defendant’s words, understood as ordinary people would
    understand them, are ambiguous”). Rather, the officer hoped
    Anderson would explain more about the murder, the exact
    topic Anderson did not want to talk about. The officer thought
    that continuing the interrogation was “reasonably likely to
    elicit an incriminating response” from Anderson. Rhode
    Island v. Innis, 
    446 U.S. 291
    , 303 (1980). And he was right.
    In the right-to-counsel context, the Supreme Court has
    countenanced clarifying questions only to ascertain whether a
    suspect’s ambiguous or equivocal statement is actually an
    invocation of his Fifth Amendment right. See 
    Davis, 512 U.S. at 461
    ; 
    Miranda, 384 U.S. at 445
    (focusing only on the
    threshold question of whether the accused “indicate[d] in any
    manner that he d[id] not wish to be interrogated” when decid-
    ing whether police had honored the accused’s Fifth Amend-
    ment rights); cf. Smith v. Illinois, 
    469 U.S. 91
    , 95 (1984)
    5
    See The Phrase Finder, What part of no don’t you understand?, http://
    www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/what-part-of-no.html (last visited Nov. 30,
    2007); LORRIE MORGAN, What Part of No (words and music by Wayne
    Perry and Gerald Smith), on WATCH ME (BNA Records 1992).
    ANDERSON v. TERHUNE                         1393
    (holding that “[t]his case concerns the threshold inquiry:
    whether Smith invoked his right to counsel in the first
    instance”). Ignoring this principle, the state court found that
    the comments were ambiguous “because they could have been
    interpreted as not wanting officers to pursue the particulars of
    his drug use as opposed to not wanting to continue the ques-
    tioning at all.”
    [7] The state court’s rationale collapses beneath its own
    weight, because the officer’s comment showed that the inter-
    rogating officers did not believe that Anderson’s statement
    was ambiguous. The officer did not ask Anderson what sub-
    ject he did not want to discuss; nor did any of his follow-up
    questioning address this topic. Similarly, the officer did not
    ask him if he wished to remain silent or whether he simply did
    not want to talk about the drug issue. The officer did not even
    ask Anderson what he meant. No reasonable officer could
    legitimately be in doubt about the meaning of “I plead the
    Fifth.” The state court’s characterization is a fanciful re-
    imagining of the colloquy between Anderson and the officer,
    and under AEDPA, an unreasonable determination of the
    facts.
    The state court’s conclusion that “[i]t was the defendant,
    not the interrogators, who continued the discussion,” ignores
    the bedrock principle that the interrogators should have
    stopped all questioning.6 A statement taken after the suspect
    invoked his right to remain silent “cannot be other than the
    product of compulsion, subtle or otherwise.” 
    Miranda, 384 U.S. at 474
    .
    Finally, it makes no sense to split hairs and say that maybe,
    6
    As the Third Circuit aptly stated, “[u]nder Miranda, the onus was not
    on [the suspect] to be persistent in her demand to remain silent. Rather,
    the responsibility fell to the law enforcement officers to scrupulously
    respect her demand.” United States v. Lafferty, 
    503 F.3d 293
    , 304 (3d Cir.
    2007).
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    just maybe, Anderson wanted to talk about the murder and not
    about his drug use because, in fact, the drug use was inextri-
    cably intertwined with the murder. The victim’s body was
    found next to a methamphetamine pipe. Anderson’s drug use
    that day could well tie him to the murder. He was taken in for
    questioning about the murder, not on a potential drug charge.
    It is precisely this kind of conjecture and hair-splitting that
    the Supreme Court wanted to avoid when it fashioned the
    bright-line rule in Miranda. Cf. 
    Davis, 512 U.S. at 461
    (noting
    that, where the suspect asks for counsel, the benefit of the
    bright-line rule is the “clarity and ease of application” that
    “can be applied by officers in the real world without unduly
    hampering the gathering of information” by forcing them “to
    make difficult judgment calls” with a “threat of suppression
    if they guess wrong”). No guess work was required here.
    Under the state court’s application of Miranda and its prog-
    eny, every time a suspect unequivocally invokes the right to
    remain silent, the police can ask follow-up questions to clarify
    whether he really, really wants to invoke the right and to
    parse the subject matter—“what specifically do you not want
    to talk about?” Such a practice is tantamount to endless re-
    interrogation.
    The Sixth Circuit’s decision in McGraw v. Holland, 
    257 F.3d 513
    (6th Cir. 2001), where the defendant stated “I don’t
    want to talk about it,” illustrates the error of the state court’s
    approach:
    In the criminal proceeding against Tina McGraw, the
    state trial court declined to hold the confession inad-
    missible under Miranda since Tina ‘never demanded
    or requested to terminate the interview.’ Although
    Tina said that she did not want to talk about the rape
    itself, in other words, her confession that she assisted
    in the rape was held to be admissible under Miranda
    because she never said that she did not want to talk
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    about subjects other than the rape. This, in our view,
    was an unreasonable application of Miranda and its
    progeny.
    
    Id. at 518.
    Here, the state court’s loose paraphrasing of the officer’s
    question—“Plead the [F]ifth. What’s that?”—as “asking
    defendant what he meant by pleading the Fifth” is unconvinc-
    ing and an unreasonable determination of the facts. As the
    transcript reveals, the officer did not even pretend not to
    understand what Anderson meant. Instead, incredibly, he
    feigned ignorance of the Fifth Amendment.
    [8] Where the initial request to stop the questioning is clear,
    “the police may not create ambiguity in a defendant’s desire
    by continuing to question him or her about it.” 
    Barrett, 479 U.S. at 535
    n.5 (Brennan, J., concurring). By parsing Ander-
    son’s invocation into specific subjects, “the police failed to
    honor a decision of a person in custody to cut off questioning,
    either by refusing to discontinue the interrogation upon
    request or by persisting in repeated efforts to wear down his
    resistance and make him change his mind.” 
    Mosley, 423 U.S. at 105-06
    . The net result is that such follow-up questions
    allowed the officer to avoid honoring the Fifth Amendment
    and, as in a right to counsel situation, enabled “the authorities
    through ‘badger[ing]’ or ‘overreaching’—explicit or subtle,
    deliberate or unintentional—[to] wear down the accused and
    persuade him to incriminate himself.” 
    Smith, 469 U.S. at 98
    .
    [9] Looking at this case through the AEDPA lens of defer-
    ence, as we must, does nothing to change these conclusions.
    The state court’s decision to ignore an unambiguous declara-
    tion of the right to remain silent is an unreasonable applica-
    tion of Miranda, as was the decision to allow continued
    questioning. See 
    Runnels, 421 F.3d at 867
    . Finally, the state
    court’s labeling of Anderson’s statements as ambiguous and
    1396                  ANDERSON v. TERHUNE
    characterizing the officer’s response as a legitimate clarifying
    inquiry were unreasonable determinations of fact.
    V.     THE STATE COURT’S DECISION WAS CONTRARY TO
    SUPREME COURT PRECEDENT BY FINDING A WAIVER BASED
    ON ANDERSON’S RESPONSES TO RE-INTERROGATION
    [10] The state appellate court attempted to bolster its con-
    clusion about Anderson’s statements by claiming that he
    waived his right to remain silent in continuing to answer
    police questions after he stated, “I plead the Fifth”:
    [W]hile words of invocation were spoken by the
    defendant, the court concludes that, in any case, he
    effectively waived the right to remain silent by what
    followed. . . . By continuing to talk to the police offi-
    cers, defendant demonstrated a willingness to con-
    tinue to discuss the case
    Put another way, the state court endorses the principle that
    once the officers ignored Anderson’s unequivocal invocation
    of the Fifth Amendment, their questioning kept him talking
    and resulted in a waiver of his right to remain silent. This
    analysis directly contravenes Supreme Court precedent:
    “[U]nder the clear logical force of settled precedent, an
    accused’s postrequest responses to further interrogation may
    not be used to cast retrospective doubt on the clarity of the
    initial request itself.” 
    Smith, 469 U.S. at 100
    (emphasis in
    original).
    [11] Smith mandates that all questioning must immediately
    cease once the right to remain silent is invoked, and that any
    subsequent statements by the defendant in response to contin-
    ued interrogation cannot be used to find a waiver or cast
    ambiguity on the earlier invocation. The Supreme Court’s
    somewhat lengthy recitation of this principle is particularly
    instructive in this case:
    ANDERSON v. TERHUNE                      1397
    Where nothing about the request for counsel or the
    circumstances leading up to the request would render
    it ambiguous, all questioning must cease. In these
    circumstances, an accused’s subsequent statements
    are relevant only to the question whether the accused
    waived the right he had invoked. Invocation and
    waiver are entirely distinct inquiries, and the two
    must not be blurred by merging them together. . . .
    With respect to the waiver inquiry, we accordingly
    have emphasized that a valid waiver “cannot be
    established by showing only that [the accused]
    responded to further police-initiated custodial inter-
    rogation.” Using an accused’s subsequent responses
    to cast doubt on the adequacy of the initial request
    itself is even more intolerable. “No authority, and no
    logic, permits the interrogator to proceed . . . on his
    own terms and as if the defendant had requested
    nothing, in the hope that the defendant might be
    induced to say something casting retrospective doubt
    on his initial statement that he wished to speak
    through an attorney or not at all.”
    
    Id. at 98-99
    (internal citations omitted) (emphasis, alteration
    and second ellipsis in original).
    We are not faced with a situation where there was a break
    in questioning after the Miranda invocation. Instead, police
    simply continued the conversation up to the point that Ander-
    son said, “I’d like to have an attorney present.” Only at that
    point did they stop the interrogation and turn off the recorder.
    But it was too late.
    [12] We cannot simply suppress the portion of the interro-
    gation that occurred after the invocation of the right to silence
    and before Anderson’s purported re-initiation of the interroga-
    tion. Doing so would eviscerate the mandate to “scrupulously
    honor[ ]” the invocation of Miranda rights. We understand the
    1398                 ANDERSON v. TERHUNE
    phrase “scrupulously honor” to have practical meaning. For
    the “right to remain silent” to have currency, there must be
    some silence. The interrogation must stop for some period of
    time. See 
    Miranda, 384 U.S. at 473-74
    ; 
    Mosley, 423 U.S. at 103
    -04. Although the Supreme Court has yet to tell us how
    long the break in questioning must last, in this case there was
    no cessation at all. Because the interrogation was continuous
    to that point, we need not determine whether Anderson
    waived his right to counsel after viewing a videotape of his
    alleged accomplice nor do we need to address his coercion
    claim.
    [13] The prejudice from Anderson’s confession cannot be
    soft pedaled, and the error was not harmless. Brecht v.
    Abrahamson, 
    507 U.S. 619
    , 623 (1993). The confession was
    central to the conviction. See Arizona v. Fulminante, 
    499 U.S. 279
    , 296 (1991) (“A confession is like no other evidence.
    Indeed, the defendant’s own confession is probably the most
    . . . damaging evidence that can be admitted against him.”
    (internal quotation marks omitted)). Although deference must
    be given to state court determinations under AEDPA, we
    would be abdicating our responsibility to abide by Supreme
    Court precedent and to police the Constitution’s boundaries
    were we to permit such an egregious violation of Miranda to
    go unchecked.
    [14] The judgment of the district court is reversed and the
    case is remanded with instructions to grant the writ.
    REVERSED AND REMANDED.
    SILVERMAN, Circuit Judge, with whom RAWLINSON,
    Circuit Judge, joins, concurring in the judgment:
    The Supreme Court has taken pains to remind us that “[a]n
    unreasonable application of federal law is different from an
    ANDERSON v. TERHUNE                    1399
    incorrect application of federal law.” Woodford v. Visciotti,
    
    537 U.S. 19
    , 25 (2002) (emphasis in original; quotation omit-
    ted). I write separately because I believe the majority opinion
    fails to “observe this distinction,” 
    id., in its
    treatment of the
    California Court of Appeal’s ruling that Anderson’s state-
    ments were “ambiguous in context.” I concur in the result
    because the California Court of Appeal rendered an unreason-
    able determination of the facts when it ruled that the officer’s
    feigned ignorance of the Fifth Amendment was a “legitimate
    clarifying question.”
    The first question we face is whether the state court acted
    contrary to or unreasonably applied Supreme Court law in
    holding that the police were entitled to clarify the statements
    Anderson made two hours into the interview. See 28 U.S.C.
    § 2254 (d)(1). If Anderson had said, “I plead the Fifth” imme-
    diately after having been read his rights, there would be no
    room for debate. The right to remain silent clearly would have
    been invoked. Here, however, after having been read his
    rights, Anderson answered questions for some two hours
    before making the statements now in issue. He indicated that
    he “don’t even wanna talk about this no more,” and in the
    next breath said, “We can talk about it later or whatever.”
    (Anderson says he does not argue that these statements were
    an unequivocal invocation of the right to remain silent.) He
    then proceeded to answer more questions. The conversation
    eventually turned to Anderson’s drug use. At that point, he
    said he was “through with this” and wanted to be “taken in
    custody,” even though he was already in custody. Then, when
    asked about his dope pipes, he said, “I plead the [F]ifth.”
    What did Anderson mean by asking to be “taken in custo-
    dy,” in light of the fact that he was already in custody? What
    did he mean when he said he would “talk about it later or
    whatever?” Did Anderson’s “pleading the Fifth,” coming as
    it did after two hours of talking, mean that he wanted to termi-
    nate the interview in its entirety, or was he referring to the
    immediate question?
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    The California Court of Appeal ruled that Anderson’s state-
    ments “were ambiguous in context” and that the officers thus
    were justified in seeking clarification. This conclusion was
    not “contrary to” Supreme Court law, because the Supreme
    Court has held that officers have no obligation to stop ques-
    tioning a suspect who has made an ambiguous or equivocal
    invocation of Miranda rights. Davis v. United States, 
    512 U.S. 452
    , 461- 62 (1994). Indeed, the Supreme Court has specifi-
    cally stated that when a suspect makes an ambiguous state-
    ment “it will often be good police practice” for interviewing
    officers to ask “clarifying questions” about the suspect’s
    meaning. 
    Id. at 461.
    Nor did the state court make an “unreasonable application”
    of this precedent in concluding that the officers were entitled
    to seek clarification from Anderson. The question before us
    is not whether we agree with the state court’s assessment of
    the ambiguity of Anderson’s statements, or even whether it is
    right or wrong, but only whether that court’s decision on that
    point was unreasonable. In my view, it was not unreasonable.
    It’s a different story when it comes to assessing the legiti-
    macy of the “clarifying question” that the officer asked.
    Instead of asking Anderson what he intended to convey, the
    officer responded to Anderson’s “pleading the Fifth” by say-
    ing, “Plead the fifth. What’s that?” As to this, the California
    Court of Appeal ruled as follows: “By asking defendant what
    he meant by pleading the fifth, the officer asked a legitimate
    clarifying question.” By any measure, this is an unreasonable
    determination of the facts. The problem with the California
    Court of Appeal’s ruling is that, in point of fact, the officer
    did not ask Anderson “what he meant.” Rather, he feigned
    ignorance of what the Fifth Amendment is. One of the stated
    reasons for Miranda’s requirement that officers inform sus-
    pects of their rights is to “show the individual that his interro-
    gators are prepared to recognize his privilege should he
    choose to exercise it.” Miranda v. Arizona, 
    384 U.S. 436
    , 468
    (1966). Instead of asking a question aimed at clarifying
    ANDERSON v. TERHUNE                         1401
    Anderson’s meanings, the officer pretended not to know
    about the very rights he informed Anderson of at the outset.
    The California Court of Appeal’s ruling that the officer
    asked a legitimate clarifying question is an unreasonable
    determination of the facts, and resulted in a decision that is
    contrary to Miranda. Having failed to clarify whether Ander-
    son was exercising his right to terminate questioning, the offi-
    cers could not lawfully continue the interview. Under
    Miranda, anything Anderson said after that point should have
    been 
    suppressed. 384 U.S. at 479
    . It is for this reason that I
    would reverse the district court’s denial of the writ.
    BEA, Circuit Judge, concurring in part, dissenting in part:
    I concur in the majority’s holding that Anderson unambigu-
    ously invoked his privilege against self-incrimination under
    the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
    Anderson repeatedly invoked his right to remain silent—“I
    don’t even want to talk about this no more”; “I’m through
    with this” and “I plead the fifth”—yet the police did not honor
    Anderson’s right to remain silent until he finally requested an
    attorney. Only at that point did the police do what they should
    have done in the first place—cease the interrogation.1 Given
    1
    Specifically, the conversation went as follows:
    Defendant Jerome Anderson: I’d like to have an attorney present.
    Lt. Harry Bishop: Okey [sic]
    Detective Ron Clemens: OK fine.
    Anderson: Sorry, man.
    Bishop: No, don’t apologize.
    Detective Tom O’Connor: okay, 7-12-97, about 22:45, ten forty-
    five, uh, p.m. on Saturday. This is it.
    The police then turned the tape recorder off and stopped the interroga-
    tion.
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    that Anderson requested that the interrogation cease three
    times in rapid succession, no reasonable officer could have
    understood anything other than that Anderson wanted the
    interrogation to stop. Further, I agree with Judge Silverman
    that Officer O’Connor’s response, “Plead the Fifth, what’s
    that?” was not a genuine attempt to clarify whether Anderson
    wanted to invoke his right to remain silent.
    Where I part company with the majority’s analysis is sec-
    tion V, where the majority concludes:
    We cannot simply suppress the portion of the inter-
    rogation that occurred after the invocation of the
    right to silence and before Anderson’s purported re-
    initiation of the interrogation. Doing so would evis-
    cerate the mandate to “scrupulously honor[ ]” the
    invocation of Miranda rights. We understand the
    phrase “scrupulously honor” to have practical mean-
    ing. For the “right to remain silent” to have currency,
    there must be some silence. The interrogation must
    stop for some period of time. See 
    Miranda, 384 U.S. at 473-74
    ; 
    Mosley, 423 U.S. at 103
    -04. Although the
    Supreme Court has yet to tell us how long the break
    in questioning must last, in this case there was no
    cessation at all. Because the interrogation was con-
    tinuous to that point, we need not determine whether
    Anderson waived his right to counsel after viewing
    a videotape of his alleged accomplice nor do we
    need to address his coercion claim.
    Majority Op. at 1397-98.
    The reason I disagree is that the record shows the police did
    stop the interrogation after Anderson requested an attorney,
    and before Anderson himself re-initiated the conversation, as
    explained below. All this occurred before Anderson confessed
    to the murder. Thus, I conclude it was not error at all to admit
    his confession at trial, and the California Court of Appeal’s
    ANDERSON v. TERHUNE                       1403
    denial of his petition for writ of habeas corpus was not con-
    trary to, nor an unreasonable application of, clearly estab-
    lished federal law. 28 U.S.C. § 2254(d)(1).
    Approximately two hours and fifteen minutes into the inter-
    view, after Anderson was shown the videotape of his co-
    defendant Abe Santos saying Anderson was the one who shot
    Robert Clark, Anderson said, “I’d like to have an attorney
    present.” The interrogating officers then did what they should
    have done back when Anderson first said, “I don’t even
    wanna talk about this no more”: they stopped the interroga-
    tion and turned the tape recorder off. Anderson had not con-
    fessed to the murder of Clark at this point.
    But then Anderson changed his mind and re-initiated the
    conversation himself. The police advised Anderson four sepa-
    rate times that they could not speak with him because he had
    invoked his right to counsel, and five separate times Anderson
    insisted he wanted to talk to Lt. Harry Bishop saying, in rele-
    vant part:
    Anderson: Oh, man, I want to talk to you. I need, I
    need to talk to you Harry. . . . Okay, I—I was just
    jokin’. I don’t wanna talk—Or I want to talk to
    Harry, the bishop. You know the thing about the
    attorney, is . . . is wrong or whatever, I don’t need
    an attorney. Is that fair to say so [you] guys don’t get
    busted outta your jobs? . . . I don’t want an attorney,
    I’ve changed my mind.
    The officers were careful to ask clarifying questions to dis-
    cern whether Anderson was making a knowing, intelligent
    and voluntary waiver of his rights to counsel and to remain
    silent:
    Officer Brad McDonald: Okay. Has anybody in this
    room promised you any-
    thing?
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    Anderson:   No, sir.
    McDonald:   Has anybody in this room threatened
    you for anything at all?
    Anderson:   No, sir.
    McDonald:   Do you feel intimidated by anybody in
    this room?
    Anderson:   No, sir.
    McDonald:   Do you feel that—Has anybody in this
    room, told you that if you didn’t talk
    with us, or you did talk to us, that
    somethin’ good was gonna happen?
    Anderson:   No, sir.
    McDonald:   Okay, so you’ve made the decision,
    that you want to talk to us and you do
    not want an attorney, is that correct?
    Anderson:   [Pause] Yes, sir.
    McDonald:   That’s absolutely correct, now you
    kinda hesitated a little bit . . .
    Anderson:   Well . . .
    McDonald:   You don’t want an attorney . . .
    Anderson:   Yes, sir.
    McDonald:   . . . right here in this room . . .
    Anderson:   Yes, sir.
    ANDERSON v. TERHUNE                    1405
    McDonald:      . . . right now, is that correct?
    Anderson:      Yes, sir.
    McDonald:      Okay. An’ my name is Brad McDon-
    ald, an’ these guys have probably told
    ya’ I’m the boss, right?
    Anderson:      Uh, no, sir, it’s not.
    McDonald:      Okay, but I am.
    Anderson:      Okay.
    McDonald:      Okay. Then I think we’re okay, I think
    he’s unlawyered [sic]. Now what do
    you want to talk to Harry about?
    Anderson:      About . . . I guess the murder of Rob-
    bie Clark.
    Anderson then eventually confessed to fatally shooting
    Robbie Clark.
    This was a clear waiver of both Anderson’s right to coun-
    sel, and his right to remain silent. Two cases are instructive.
    In Edwards v. Arizona, 
    451 U.S. 477
    , 481-84 (1981),
    Edwards was convicted of robbery, burglary, and first-degree
    murder after his confession was entered into evidence. After
    being read his Miranda rights, Edwards stated, “I want an
    attorney before making a deal.” At that point, all questioning
    ceased. 
    Id. at 479.
    The next day, two different detectives came to question
    Edwards in jail. When he was told they were there, Edwards
    told the jail guard, “he did not want to talk to anyone.” 
    Id. The guard
    told Edwards he was obligated to talk to the detectives.
    
    Id. The detectives
    then advised Edwards of his Miranda rights
    1406                 ANDERSON v. TERHUNE
    again, and he agreed to talk to them, but said he did not want
    the discussion taped. Edwards then implicated himself in the
    crime after being confronted with the statement of a co-
    defendant who had implicated him. 
    Id. The Arizona
    Supreme Court affirmed his conviction and
    held Edwards had invoked both his right to remain silent and
    his right to counsel, but had waived both rights when he vol-
    untarily gave his statement to the detectives after they
    informed him again of his Miranda rights. 
    Id. at 480.
    The Supreme Court reversed and held the use of Edwards’s
    confession violated his Fifth Amendment rights as construed
    in Miranda. The Court held that when an accused requests an
    attorney, he may not be questioned unless an attorney has
    been made available or “the accused himself initiates further
    communication, exchanges, or conversation with the police.”
    
    Id. at 485.
    Any waiver after an invocation of the right to
    remain silent or the right to an attorney must not only be vol-
    untary, but must also “constitute a knowing and intelligent
    relinquishment or abandonment of a known right or privi-
    lege.” 
    Id. at 482.
    Although the police appeared the day after
    Edwards had requested an attorney, the time elapsed between
    interrogations was not a factor the Court considered in deter-
    mining the admissibility of his confession. The crucial factors
    were whether the second interrogation was initiated by
    Edwards (it was not); and, whether such initiation was volun-
    tary (it was not, because the jail guard told Edwards he was
    required to speak to the police).
    On the other hand, the later case of Oregon v. Bradshaw,
    
    462 U.S. 1039
    , 1045-46 (1983), clarifies how an accused who
    has invoked his right to counsel can initiate a discussion and
    validly waive his rights to counsel and to remain silent. Dur-
    ing the investigation of the death of a person whose body had
    been found in Bradshaw’s wrecked pickup truck, Bradshaw
    was questioned at the police station. Bradshaw was advised of
    his Miranda rights. He was arrested for furnishing liquor to
    ANDERSON v. TERHUNE                   1407
    the victim, a minor, and again advised of his Miranda rights.
    
    Id. at 1041-42.
    Bradshaw denied he was driving the truck and
    asked for an attorney. 
    Id. Later that
    same day, while being transported in custody
    from the police station to a jail, Bradshaw asked a police offi-
    cer, “Well, what is going to happen to me now?” 
    Id. at 1042.
    The officer answered that Bradshaw did not have to talk to
    him and Bradshaw said he understood. They then discussed
    where Bradshaw was being taken and the offense with which
    he would be charged. The officer suggested that Bradshaw
    take a polygraph examination, which he did, after another
    reading of his Miranda rights. 
    Id. When the
    polygraph examiner told Bradshaw he did not
    believe Bradshaw was telling the truth, Bradshaw recanted his
    earlier story and admitted that he had been driving the truck
    in question and that he had consumed a considerable amount
    of alcohol and passed out at the wheel of the truck before it
    left the highway. 
    Id. Bradshaw was
    charged with first-degree
    manslaughter, driving while under the influence of intoxi-
    cants, and driving while his license was revoked. His motion
    to suppress his statement was denied, and he was found guilty
    after a bench trial. 
    Id. The Oregon
    Court of Appeals reversed, holding the inquiry
    Bradshaw made of the police officer while being transferred
    to jail did not “initiate” a conversation with the officer and
    therefore the statements growing out of this conversation
    should have been excluded from evidence under Edwards v.
    Arizona. 
    Id. at 1042-43.
    The Oregon Supreme Court denied
    review, without writing an opinion on the merits.
    On direct appeal, the Supreme Court reversed, holding that
    by asking “Well, what is going to happen to me now?”, Brad-
    shaw “initiated” a further conversation. 
    Id. at 1045.
    His state-
    ment evinced a willingness and a desire for a generalized
    discussion about the investigation. 
    Id. 1408 ANDERSON
    v. TERHUNE
    Because there was no violation of the Edwards initiation
    rule, the next inquiry was whether, in light of the totality of
    the circumstances, Bradshaw made a knowing and intelligent
    waiver of his right to have counsel present. The trial court,
    based on its first-hand observation of the witnesses, found a
    waiver and the Supreme Court found no reason to dispute that
    finding. 
    Id. at 1045-47.
    Here, Anderson himself initiated the conversation when,
    after being told by the police that they could no longer talk to
    him, he said, “Oh, man, I want to talk to you. I need, I need
    to talk to you Harry [Lt. Bishop].” Anderson also made a
    knowing and intelligent waiver of his right to have counsel
    present when he said, “I don’t want an attorney; I’ve changed
    my mind” and he wanted to talk to the police officers “about
    the murder of Robbie Clark.”
    It is unclear how long the interrogation was stopped after
    Anderson requested an attorney, and before Anderson asked
    to speak with Lt. Bishop. The record implies it did not appear
    to be a long period of time. Although the Supreme Court has
    held the interrogation must stop for some period of time
    before a suspect can waive a properly invoked Miranda right,
    that amount of time has never been specified. In Bradshaw,
    we know the time was not long because when he re-initiated
    the conversation with the officer, Bradshaw was being trans-
    ported from the police station to the jail shortly after he had
    requested an 
    attorney. 462 U.S. at 1042
    . Even though not
    much time had elapsed since Bradshaw had requested an
    attorney, the Court had no problem finding Bradshaw was the
    one who re-initiated the conversation. There is no clearly
    established federal law mandating a particular amount of time
    the break in the interrogation must last. We have recently
    been reminded that where there is no such clearly established
    federal law, as determined by the Supreme Court of the
    United States, we are not allowed to invent such law. See
    Carey v. Musladin, 
    127 S. Ct. 649
    , 653 (2006) Hence, the rel-
    ANDERSON v. TERHUNE                   1409
    evant fact here is that Anderson re-initiated the conversation,
    not the duration of the break in the conversation.
    Given that Anderson validly waived his right to counsel
    and his right to remain silent before he confessed, the admis-
    sion of his confession was not error, and the California Court
    of Appeal’s denial of his petition for writ of habeas corpus
    was not contrary to, nor an unreasonable application of,
    clearly established federal law. 28 U.S.C. § 2254(d)(1). For
    this reason, I respectfully dissent.
    TALLMAN, Circuit Judge, with whom CALLAHAN, Circuit
    Judge, joins, dissenting:
    Lewis Carroll was right: “When I use a word . . . it means
    just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.” Lewis
    Carroll, Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland 163 (Donald J.
    Gray ed., W.W. Norton 1973) (1871). My colleagues in the
    majority fixate on the words “plead the Fifth” lifted in isola-
    tion from a portion of the transcribed interview without giving
    the required level of deference to the trial court’s findings of
    fact after an evidentiary hearing, which included the entire
    tape recording and the testimony of the interrogators. No one
    disputes that Jerome Alvin Anderson, a known felon on
    parole, admitted to killing his acquaintance and friend, Robert
    Clark: Anderson admitted, “I shot [Clark].” Nor does anyone
    dispute that Anderson answered questions for nearly two and
    one-half hours before making the statement, “I plead the
    Fifth.”
    The California courts examined Anderson’s statement in
    the full context of his confession. Following an evidentiary
    hearing, the Shasta County Superior Court Judge made a fac-
    tual finding that “while the defendant articulated words that
    could, in the isolation, be viewed as an invocation of his right
    to remain silent, the defendant did not intend to terminate the
    1410                  ANDERSON v. TERHUNE
    interview.” (Emphasis added). In affirming the trial court’s
    decision to deny Anderson’s motion to suppress his later con-
    fession because it was knowing and voluntary, the California
    Court of Appeal neither unreasonably applied clearly estab-
    lished Supreme Court precedent, nor made an unreasonable
    determination of facts. The state courts’ conclusion that
    Anderson’s comments were ambiguous in context was not an
    unreasonable application of clearly established Supreme
    Court precedent. Nor was their conclusion that the detective’s
    follow-up question, “Plead the Fifth. What’s that?,” was a
    permissible clarification question an unreasonable determina-
    tion of fact. I respectfully dissent.
    I
    We may grant habeas relief only if the California Court of
    Appeal acted contrary to or unreasonably applied clearly
    established Supreme Court precedent, or made an unreason-
    able determination of facts. See 28 U.S.C. § 2254(d); Lockyer
    v. Andrade, 
    538 U.S. 63
    , 70-73 (2003). “[C]learly established
    Federal law under § 2254(d)(1) [(the Antiterrorism and Effec-
    tive Death Penalty Act of 1996 (‘AEDPA’))] is the governing
    legal principle or principles set forth by the Supreme Court at
    the time the state court render[ed] its decision.” 
    Lockyer, 538 U.S. at 71-72
    (internal quotation marks omitted). The Court
    has stated that a “state court decision is contrary to . . . clearly
    established [Supreme Court] precedent if the state court
    applies a rule that contradicts the governing law set forth in
    [Supreme Court] cases or if the state court confronts a set of
    facts that are materially indistinguishable from a decision of
    [the] Court and nevertheless arrives at a result different from
    [its] precedent.” 
    Id. at 73
    (internal quotation marks omitted).
    There is an open question in Supreme Court jurisprudence
    on issues involving the invocation of a suspect’s Fifth
    Amendment right to remain silent. Clearly established
    Supreme Court precedent in the arena of the right to remain
    silent is Miranda v. Arizona, 
    384 U.S. 436
    (1966), and Michi-
    ANDERSON v. TERHUNE                    1411
    gan v. Mosley, 
    423 U.S. 96
    , 101 (1975). In Miranda, the
    Supreme Court held that “[i]f [an] individual indicates in any
    manner, at any time prior to or during questioning, that he
    wishes to remain silent, the interrogation must 
    cease.” 384 U.S. at 473-74
    . Once a defendant has invoked his right to
    remain silent, that right must be “scrupulously honored.”
    
    Mosley, 423 U.S. at 103
    -04. While the Supreme Court has
    addressed the substance of the right to remain silent in
    Miranda and Mosley, at no time has the Court addressed how
    that right is to be invoked.
    In comparison, under clearly established Supreme Court
    precedent, a suspect’s statements to invoke his Fifth Amend-
    ment right to counsel under Miranda must be clear and
    unequivocal. See Davis v. Alaska, 
    512 U.S. 452
    , 459 (1994).
    The determination of whether the suspect clearly invoked his
    right to counsel requires an objective inquiry. 
    Id. at 458-59.
    The suspect must, “at a minimum, [give] some statement that
    can reasonably be construed to be an expression of a desire
    for the assistance of an attorney.” 
    Id. at 459
    (internal quota-
    tion marks omitted). A statement is ambiguous when a “rea-
    sonable officer in light of the circumstances would have
    understood only that the suspect might be invoking the right
    to counsel.” 
    Id. (first emphasis
    added).
    The United States Supreme Court has never declared its
    right to counsel principles applicable to invoking the right to
    silence, and under AEDPA that precedent was not “clearly
    established” when the California Court of Appeal rendered its
    decision. See Bui v. Dipaolo, 
    170 F.3d 232
    , 239 (1st Cir.
    1999) (recognizing that Davis was concerned only with the
    right to counsel, and not the right to remain silent). Indeed, in
    prior cases, we have declined to determine whether the rule
    in Davis when invoking the right to counsel applied with
    equal force to the right to remain silent. See Arnold v. Run-
    nels, 
    421 F.3d 859
    , 866 n.8 (9th Cir. 2005); United States v.
    Soliz, 
    129 F.3d 499
    , 504 n.3 (1997), overruled on other
    grounds by United States v. Johnson, 
    256 F.3d 895
    (9th Cir.
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    2001) (en banc) (per curiam); Evans v. Demosthenes, 
    98 F.3d 1174
    , 1176 (9th Cir. 1996). Other circuits have made that
    leap. See, e.g., 
    Arnold, 421 F.3d at 870
    & n.1 (Callahan, J.,
    dissenting) (collecting cases).
    In circumstances where there is no “clear-cut Supreme
    Court rule that certain magic words automatically bring all
    questioning to a halt—regardless of the circumstances sur-
    rounding the interrogation,” Anderson v. Terhune, 
    467 F.3d 1208
    , 1213 (9th Cir. 2006), reh’g en banc granted, 
    486 F.3d 1155
    (2007), we simply cannot say that the California Court
    of Appeal unreasonably applied clearly established Supreme
    Court precedent. See Carey v. Musladin, 
    127 S. Ct. 649
    , 654
    (2006) (concluding that the state court’s determination was
    not an unreasonable application of Supreme Court precedent
    because there was no Supreme Court precedent addressing
    that area of law). Invoking the lyrics of a popular Country-
    Western song in lieu of Supreme Court authority is not good
    enough under AEDPA.
    Nor can we grant habeas relief because, when lacking
    clearly established Supreme Court precedent, the California
    Court of Appeal looked to Supreme Court law in another con-
    text for guidance. In holding that Anderson’s statement was
    ambiguous, and that the detective’s follow-up question could
    reasonably be interpreted as a “legitimate clarifying ques-
    tion,” the California Court of Appeal applied the Supreme
    Court’s precedent in Davis. It looked at the totality of the cir-
    cumstances to determine that a reasonable officer could have
    understood only that Anderson may have intended to invoke
    his Fifth Amendment right to remain silent. See 
    Davis, 512 U.S. at 459
    . Given the lack of a holding from the Supreme
    Court addressing invocation of the Fifth Amendment right to
    remain silent, it cannot be said that the California Court of
    Appeal applied a standard that was “contrary to” clearly
    established Supreme Court precedent. Cf. 
    Musladin, 127 S. Ct. at 654
    .
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    II
    Having failed to heed AEDPA and to acknowledge the lack
    of clearly established Supreme Court authority on invoking
    one’s Fifth Amendment right to silence, the majority proceeds
    to fault the California courts for considering Anderson’s state-
    ment in the context of the interview. Maj. Op. at 1389.
    Despite the majority’s misconceptions, we simply cannot
    pluck the words “I plead the Fifth” out of the transcript and
    declare we have an unambiguous statement. See Maj. Op. at
    1389 (“Using ‘context’ to transform an unambiguous invoca-
    tion into open-ended ambiguity defies both common sense
    and established Supreme Court law.”). It defies common
    sense to determine what an objectively reasonable officer
    would have understood without looking at the totality of the
    interview. See 
    Davis, 512 U.S. at 459
    .
    As Judge Silverman aptly displays, see Silverman Concur-
    rence at 1399, when considered in context, the state courts
    reasonably concluded that there is ambiguity in Anderson’s
    statement.1 While the majority may disagree with the conclu-
    sion, that is simply insufficient to declare the California Court
    of Appeal’s holding “unreasonable.” We have been told
    before that objectively unreasonable means something more
    than we think the state courts were wrong. “[A]n unreason-
    able application of federal law is different from an incorrect
    application.” Williams v. Taylor, 
    529 U.S. 362
    , 410 (2000);
    see also Schriro v. Landrigan, 
    127 S. Ct. 1933
    , 1939 (2007)
    (stating that under AEDPA the petitioner must meet the “sub-
    stantially higher threshold” of unreasonableness); Brown v.
    Payton, 
    544 U.S. 133
    , 143 (2005) (denying AEDPA relief
    1
    Where I part company with my brother Silverman is in his conclusion
    that the sheriff’s detective was being sarcastic and already understood
    what Anderson meant by “pleading the Fifth” when he asked for clarifica-
    tion. See infra, § III. In the face of the trial judge’s factual determination
    that an ambiguity existed triggering the detective’s justification for seek-
    ing clarification, AEDPA dictates that we defer to the trial court.
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    because “[e]ven on the assumption that [the state court’s] con-
    clusion was incorrect, it was not unreasonable”); Mitchell v.
    Esparza, 
    540 U.S. 12
    , 18 (2003) (per curiam) (“We may not
    grant respondent’s habeas petition . . . if the state court simply
    erred in concluding that the State’s errors were harmless.
    . . .”); 
    Lockyer, 538 U.S. at 75
    (reversing us because, by
    defining “unreasonable application” as “clear error,” we “fail-
    [ed] to give proper deference to state courts by conflating
    error (even clear error) with unreasonableness”); Woodford v.
    Visciotti, 
    537 U.S. 19
    , 25 (2002) (per curiam) (reversing us
    because we failed to observe the distinction between an incor-
    rect application and an unreasonable application).
    Therefore, even if we could grant habeas relief in the
    absence of clearly established Supreme Court precedent, I
    would deny the petition. The California courts’ application of
    Davis and its finding of ambiguity was reasonable.
    III
    The only other way to grant Anderson habeas relief
    requires the majority to overrule the California Court of
    Appeal’s factual finding. My colleagues have to find that the
    state court conclusion was “an unreasonable determination of
    the facts in light of the evidence presented in the State court
    proceeding.” 28 U.S.C. § 2254(d)(2). But in considering
    Anderson’s motion to suppress, the Shasta County trial court
    considered live testimony from the interrogating officers and
    heard the audiotapes of the confession. The California Court
    of Appeal then adopted the trial court’s factual finding verba-
    tim:
    Given the totality of the circumstances in this matter,
    the court concludes that while the defendant articu-
    lated words that could, in . . . isolation, be viewed as
    an invocation of his right to remain silent, the defen-
    dant did not intend to terminate the interview. The
    interrogating officer did not continue or reinitiate the
    ANDERSON v. TERHUNE                     1415
    interview by posing the question. “Plead the Fifth.
    What’s that?” The questions can reasonably be char-
    acterized as a request for clarification or confirma-
    tion that the defendant wished to assert his right to
    remain silent, and nothing more. What followed is
    important to a determination of the question. Specifi-
    cally, the defendant launched off on a discourse and,
    ultimately, engaged in a debate without making any
    reference to an invocation of the right to remain
    silent. It was the defendant, not the interrogators,
    who continued the discussion. Accordingly, while
    words of invocation were spoken by the defendant,
    the court concludes that, in any case, he effectively
    waived the right to remain silent by what followed.
    Moreover, the California Court of Appeal took note of an
    interrogating officer’s testimony during the hearing on the
    motion to suppress. “[T]he interrogating officer testified he
    believed that in saying, “I plead the Fifth[,]” [Anderson] was
    simply indicating an unwillingness to discuss the details of his
    drug use, and not a desire to terminate the interrogation.”
    This is not a situation where a suspect clearly states his or
    her intent (such as when a witness invokes his Fifth Amend-
    ment right to refuse to answer a specific question at trial). Cf.
    
    Arnold, 421 F.3d at 861-62
    (finding that Arnold unequivo-
    cally invoked his right to remain silent when he told the offi-
    cers that he did not want to talk on tape). Instead, in response
    to a direct question about his drug use, Anderson, after will-
    ingly answering questions about the murder for two and one-
    half hours, responded “I plead the Fifth.” The officers did not
    respond by asking Anderson more questions about his drug
    use. Rather, the officer asked, “Plead the Fifth. What’s that?”
    Having considered all of the evidence, the Shasta County
    Superior Court found as a matter of fact that Anderson did not
    intend to end the interview and that the officers asked a legiti-
    mate clarifying question. Anderson does not challenge the
    state court’s fact-finding process, and he has failed to rebut
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    the trial court’s factual finding by clear and convincing evi-
    dence, as he must under AEDPA. Taylor v. Maddox, 
    366 F.3d 992
    , 1000 (9th Cir. 2004) Admittedly, the detective could
    have phrased his clarifying question differently, and perhaps
    he should have uttered it with less sarcasm, but a poorly-
    phrased question without more is not grounds to grant federal
    habeas corpus relief.
    AEDPA mandates comity and deference to California’s
    decision that Anderson’s confession was voluntary. Rejecting
    it, the majority decrees that a murderer “is to go free because
    the constable has blundered.” See People v. Defore, 
    242 N.Y. 13
    , 21 (1926) (Cardozo, J.).
    I respectfully dissent.