Greene v. Camreta ( 2009 )


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  •                     FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    SARAH GREENE, personally and as           
    next friend for S.G., a minor, and
    K.G., a minor,
    Plaintiff-Appellant             No. 06-35333
    v.
            D.C. No.
    CV-05-06047-AA
    BOB CAMRETA; DESCHUTES COUNTY;
    JAMES ALFORD, Deschutes County                     OPINION
    Deputy Sheriff; BEND LAPINE
    SCHOOL DISTRICT; TERRY FRIESEN,
    Defendants-Appellees
    
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the District of Oregon
    Ann L. Aiken, District Judge, Presiding
    Argued and Submitted
    March 6, 2008—Portland, Oregon
    Filed December 10, 2009
    Before: Marsha S. Berzon and Carlos T. Bea, Circuit Judges,
    and Philip Gutierrez,* District Judge.
    Opinion by Judge Berzon
    *The Honorable Philip Gutierrez, United States District Court for the
    Central District of California, sitting by designation.
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    COUNSEL
    Mikel R. Miller, Law Office of Mikel R. Miller, Bend, Ore-
    gon, for the plaintiff-appellant.
    Hardy Myers, Attorney General; Mary H. Williams, Solicitor
    General; David B. Thompson, Senior Assistant Attorney Gen-
    eral; for Bob Camreta, Defendant-Appellee. Janet M. Schroer,
    Hoffman, Hart & Wagner, LLP, for Terry Friesen and Bend
    LaPine School District, defendants-appellees. Christopher
    Bell and Mark P. Amberg, Deschutes County Legal Counsel,
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    for Deputy Sheriff James Alford and Deschutes County,
    defendants-appellees.
    OPINION
    BERZON, Circuit Judge:
    We are asked to decide whether the actions of a child pro-
    tective services caseworker and deputy sheriff, understand-
    ably concerned for the well-being of two young girls,
    exceeded the bounds of the constitution. Specifically, the
    girls’ mother, Sarah Greene, alleges, on behalf of S.G., one of
    her children, that the caseworker, Bob Camreta, and deputy
    sheriff, James Alford, violated the Fourth Amendment when
    they seized and interrogated S.G. in a private office at her
    school for two hours without a warrant, probable cause, or
    parental consent. Sarah also argues that Camreta’s subsequent
    actions, both in securing a court order removing the girls from
    her custody and in subjecting the girls to intrusive sexual
    abuse examinations outside her presence, violated the
    Greenes’ familial rights under the Due Process Clause of the
    Fourteenth Amendment.
    As this brief description makes clear, resolving the consti-
    tutional claims at issue in this case involves a delicate balanc-
    ing of competing interests. On one hand, society has a
    compelling interest in protecting its most vulnerable members
    from abuse within their home. The number of child abuse
    allegations is staggering: In 2007, for example, state and local
    agencies investigated 3.2 million reports of child abuse or
    neglect. See U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN
    SERVICES, ADMINISTRATION ON CHILDREN, YOUTH AND FAMILIES.
    CHILD MALTREATMENT 2007 (2009), available at
    http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm07/
    chapter2.htm.
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    On the other hand, parents have an exceedingly strong
    interest in directing the upbringing of their children, as well
    as in protecting both themselves and their children from the
    embarrassment and social stigmatization attached to child
    abuse investigations. Of the 3.6 million investigations con-
    ducted by state and local agencies in 2006, only about a quar-
    ter concluded that the children were indeed victims of abuse.
    See id. This discrepancy creates the risk that “in the name of
    saving children from the harm that their parents and guardians
    are thought to pose, states ultimately cause more harm to
    many more children than they ever help.” Doriane Lambelet
    Coleman, Storming the Castle to Save the Children: The
    Ironic Costs of a Child Welfare Exception to the Fourth
    Amendment, 47 WM. & MARY L. REV. 413, 417 (2005).
    With these competing considerations in mind, we turn first
    to Sarah’s constitutional claims. As we explain below, we
    hold that the investigation conducted by Camreta and Alford
    and the removal and examination instigated by Camreta all
    violated Sarah and the girls’ constitutional rights. As to the
    investigation, however, we conclude that Camreta and Alford
    cannot be liable in damages because they have qualified
    immunity.
    I.   FACTS & PROCEDURAL HISTORY
    A.   FACTUAL BACKGROUND
    Nimrod Greene (“Nimrod”) was arrested on February 12,
    2003, for suspected sexual abuse of F.S., a seven-year old
    boy. Nimrod’s arrest was based on statements made by F.S.
    to his parents and similar statements later made to investiga-
    tors, all alleging that Nimrod had touched F.S.’s penis over
    his jeans when Nimrod was drunk in F.S.’s parents’ home.
    F.S. reported that Nimrod had done this to him once before.
    In addition, F.S.’s mother told officers that Sarah, Nimrod’s
    wife, “had talked to her about how she doesn’t like the way
    Nimrod makes [their daughters, S.G. and K.G.,] sleep in his
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    bed when he is intoxicated and she doesn’t like the way he
    acts when they are sitting on his lap.” Along the same lines,
    F.S.’s father told officers that:
    Nimrod himself has made some type of prior com-
    ment about how his wife Sarah was accusing him of
    molesting his daughters and Sarah reportedly doesn’t
    like the girls laying in bed with Nimrod when he has
    been drinking. [F.S.’s father] said neither he nor his
    wife [ ] have any direct knowledge of abuse at the
    Greene home, but this type of comment and/or accu-
    sation has come in several ways from Sarah and
    Nimrod.
    The Oregon Department of Human Services (“DHS”) heard
    of these allegations about a week after Nimrod’s arrest. The
    next day, Bob Camreta, a caseworker with DHS, learned that
    Nimrod had been released and was having unsupervised con-
    tact with his daughters. Camreta was assigned to assess the
    girls’ safety. Based on his training and experience as a DHS
    caseworker, Camreta was “aware that child sex offenders
    often act on impulse and often direct those impulses against
    their own children, among others. For this reason, [he was]
    concerned about the safety and well-being of Nimrod
    Greene’s own small children.”
    Three days after hearing of Nimrod’s release, Camreta vis-
    ited S.G.’s elementary school to interview her. Camreta
    thought the school would be a good place for the interview
    because it is a place where children feel safe and would allow
    him “to conduct the interview away from the potential influ-
    ence of suspects, including parents.” According to Camreta,
    “[i]nterviews of this nature, on school premises, are a regular
    part of [child protective services] practice and are consistent
    with DHS rules and training.” Sarah was not informed of, nor
    did she consent to, the interview of her daughter. Camreta
    also did not obtain a warrant or other court order before the
    interview.
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    Throughout the interview Camreta was accompanied by
    Deputy Sheriff Alford. Upon arriving at the school, Camreta
    told school officials that he and Alford were there to interview
    S.G. and requested use of a private office. Terry Friesen, a
    counselor at the elementary school, visited S.G. in her class-
    room and told the child that someone was there to talk with
    her. Friesen took S.G. to the room where Camreta and Alford
    were waiting and left.
    Camreta interviewed S.G. for two hours in Alford’s pres-
    ence.1 The interview was not recorded. Alford, who had a vis-
    ible firearm, did not ask any questions during the interview.
    According to Camreta, S.G. told him:
    •   “ ‘When he drinks he tries to do it,’ meaning, ‘he
    tries to touch me somewhere in my private parts.
    Then I go to my room and lock the door.’ ”
    •    The last incident occurred “ ‘just last week’ on
    the outside of her clothing and she had tried to
    tell him to stop.”
    •   “The touching of private parts started when she
    was three.”
    •   “The touching involved the chest and buttock
    areas, outside of clothing. Her father sometimes
    ‘mumbled’ during the touching.”
    •   “Her mother knew about the touching . . .” and
    it was “ ‘one of our secrets’ with her little sister,
    K.G.’ ”
    1
    The parties dispute the length of the interview. Both Camreta and
    Alford assert that the interview lasted about an hour, while S.G. maintains
    that it lasted two hours. Because this is a motion for summary judgment,
    we view the facts in the light most favorable to the non-moving party and
    so assume that the interview lasted two hours.
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    Camreta maintains that he “certainly did not coerce [S.G.] or
    try to induce her into making any accusations.”
    In contrast, S.G. recounted the interview as follows:
    [Camreta] ask[ed] me if sometimes my dad touched
    me all over my body. I thought back to the times
    when my dad hugged me, kissed me, gave me
    piggy-back rides, rides on his shoulders and horsey
    rides. I remembered all of my dad’s touches
    with fondness. He was a very loving father, and I
    loved hugging and kissing him. These were the
    touches that I was referring to when I said my dad
    touched me. So I told the man, yes, my dad touches
    me all over. And then the man started asking me
    if sometimes those were bad touches, and I said, no
    they weren’t, but he kept asking me over and over
    again, and I would say, no, I don’t think my dad
    touched me in a bad way. He would say, “No, that’s
    not it,” and then ask me the same question
    again. For over an hour, Bob Camreta kept asking
    me the same questions, just in different ways, trying
    to get me to change my answers. Finally, I just
    started saying yes to whatever he said. And then
    after a while, he said I could go. I believe I was
    there for two hours.
    According to Sarah, later that night S.G. told her that when
    Camreta asked her what bad things her father had done, she
    initially told him “nothing,” but that Camreta kept asking
    questions and confused her. S.G. stated that she was “scared”
    when Friesen left her with Camreta and Alford, although she
    did not ask to call home, did not ask to have Friesen or her
    parents with her, and did not cry. With respect to Alford’s
    presence, S.G. stated that she is generally comfortable around
    police officers, that Alford was nice to her and did not do any-
    thing to scare her, and that she trusted him.
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    Based on the interview and other information he had gath-
    ered, Camreta believed that Nimrod had sexually abused S.G.
    As a result, Camreta and Alford visited the Greenes’ home
    and spoke with Sarah and Nimrod. Both parents denied any
    sexual abuse but agreed to a safety plan whereby, pending an
    investigation, Nimrod would not have unsupervised contact
    with his two daughters, S.G. and K.G. The safety plan also
    provided that S.G. would undergo a sexual abuse examination
    at the KIDS Intervention & Diagnostic Service Center (“the
    KIDS Center”), which specializes in child sexual abuse. Cam-
    reta advised the parents not to speak with their children about
    the allegations of abuse.
    On March 6, 2003, Nimrod was indicted on six counts of
    felony sexual assault of F.S. and S.G. He was shortly released
    but ordered not to have any contact with his daughters. That
    same day counsel for the Greenes informed Camreta that he
    had been retained to represent the family, that all family
    members had been advised of their Fifth Amendment right to
    remain silent and had chosen to invoke that right, and that no
    one from DHS had permission to meet with a member of the
    family without counsel present.
    The next day, Camreta went to the Greene home to inform
    Sarah of the court’s no-contact order and assess whether
    Sarah would comply with it. Sarah indicated that she had
    hired an attorney to defend her husband, that the allegations
    against him were lies, and that she had talked to S.G. about
    the allegations of abuse.
    Sarah’s and Camreta’s accounts of the conversation
    between them on March 7 diverge in two respects. First, with
    regard to the no-contact order, Sarah stated that she told Cam-
    reta:
    [W]hile it would be significantly detrimental to [her]
    family finances, there was a place [her] husband
    could stay so that he would have no contact with
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    [her] children. [She] specifically informed Mr. Cam-
    reta that [she] intended to abide by [the] Safety Plan
    and that [she] would take the children to the KIDS
    Center.
    In contrast, Camreta maintains that Sarah told him “that she
    had no extra resources for Nimrod to obtain alternative hous-
    ing, which [Camreta] understood to mean [Nimrod] would be
    returning home.”
    Second, Sarah stated she told Camreta that she “did want
    [her] children interviewed at the KIDS Center” and “would
    not interfere with them being interviewed,” although she
    “wished to attend [their] medical examination[s], to be there
    to help them through the emotionally traumatic event.” Cam-
    reta maintains that “[Sarah] refused to sign an informational
    release form to facilitate the pending sex abuse examination
    of her daughter at the KIDS Center.”
    Following the March 7 conversation, Camreta was con-
    cerned that DHS would not be able to ensure the safety of the
    children because Sarah denied Nimrod’s abuse and was
    unwilling to place her children’s interests over those of her
    husband. Convinced that he had a duty to take protective
    action, Camreta decided to seek an order removing both chil-
    dren from Sarah’s home.
    On March 11, 2003, Camreta petitioned the Deschutes
    County Juvenile Court for an order removing S.G. and K.G.
    from the Greene home and placing them in foster care. In an
    affidavit filed with the Juvenile Court, Camreta represented
    that “[Sarah] indicated the family had no alternate resources
    for either the children or Nimrod to ensure there would be no
    contact,” and that she “refused to sign an information release
    form for a Kid’s Center evaluation for the girls.” Citing the
    letter from the Greenes’ counsel, Camreta stated that
    “[w]ithout access to the family members[ ] and the home
    DHS is unable to monitor and ensure the safety of the chil-
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    dren and unable to ensure that the children receive forensic
    interviews and exams to determine the health and welfare of
    S.G. and K.G., and to conclude the investigation.”
    After reviewing Camreta’s petition and affidavit, the Juve-
    nile Court issued a protective custody order authorizing the
    removal of S.G. and K.G. from the Greene home. DHS took
    protective custody of S.G. and K.G. the same day.
    The next day, the Juvenile Court held an emergency shelter
    hearing, which both Sarah and Nimrod attended with counsel.2
    At the conclusion of the hearing, the Juvenile Court placed
    the children in DHS’s temporary custody, scheduled KIDS
    Center assessments for both girls, ordered that the children be
    made available to participate in those assessments, prohibited
    Sarah from discussing the case with the children, ordered
    Nimrod not to have any contact with the children, and
    directed DHS to return the children to Sarah’s care “as soon
    as [a] safety plan is in place and DHS concerns have been
    addressed.”
    DHS had custody of the children from March 11 through
    March 31, 2003. The two girls lived in a local foster home for
    those weeks. Sarah’s contact with her daughters was limited
    to pre-arranged, supervised visits.
    K.G. was interviewed and examined at the KIDS Center on
    March 20, 2003, and S.G. was interviewed and examined on
    March 31, 2003. On the day of K.G.’s examination, Sarah
    2
    The district court characterized the shelter hearing as “an opportunity
    [for Sarah], with counsel, . . . to challenge the evidence presented in sup-
    port of the court order.” The record, however, contains virtually no infor-
    mation about the shelter hearing, other than the facts that both parents
    attended with counsel, that counsel was appointed for the children, and
    that the hearing took one hour and fifteen minutes. The record does not
    indicate whether the Greenes presented evidence at the emergency shelter
    hearing to rebut Camreta’s assertion that Nimrod was unable to comply
    with the no-contact order.
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    went to the KIDS Center “fully intend[ing] to cooperate with
    the KIDS Center and lend whatever assistance and support
    [she] could to [her] daughter.” According to her affidavit,
    however, she was prevented from doing so when KIDS Cen-
    ter staff, acting “under orders of Bob Camreta,” forced her “to
    leave the premises.” Sarah was also excluded from the prem-
    ises during S.G.’s examination.
    At her KIDS Center interview, S.G. said that her earlier
    statements to Camreta concerning Nimrod were not true and
    that he had not abused her. During the examination, S.G. was
    told to undress, and the examiners “looked all over [her]
    body,” “took pictures of [her] private parts,” and used a mag-
    nifying glass scope to visually examine her. In her deposition,
    S.G. stated that a doctor asked her to let her know if she felt
    uncomfortable and told her that the examination would stop
    if she felt uncomfortable, but that she never told the doctor
    she felt uncomfortable or asked to stop the interview. She also
    testified that she felt fine after the examination was over and
    did not feel sick or upset. In her affidavit, however, S.G.
    stated, “I wish my mom could have been there. I felt very
    scared and alone . . . . [T]hey looked all over my body, and
    it was very uncomfortable.”
    Ultimately, the KIDS Center examiners could not deter-
    mine whether S.G. and K.G. had been sexually abused. Even
    so, they “remained concerned for [S.G.] especially as there
    appears to be a high likelihood that S.G. may have recanted
    her statements about her father touching her privates in an
    attempt to expedite her return home.” Despite these concerns,
    the Juvenile Court, at DHS’s request, ordered the children
    returned to their mother’s custody on March 31, 2003.
    Nimrod eventually stood trial on charges of sexual abuse
    but the jury did not reach a verdict. Faced with a retrial, Nim-
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    rod accepted an Alford plea with respect to the alleged abuse
    of F.S.3 The charges concerning S.G. were dismissed.
    B.    PROCEDURAL HISTORY
    Sarah filed this action on behalf of herself, S.G., and K.G.
    under 
    42 U.S.C. § 1983
    , alleging that: (1) Camreta and
    Alford’s in-school seizure of S.G. without a warrant, parental
    consent, probable cause, or exigent circumstances violated the
    Fourth Amendment; (2) Camreta violated the Greenes’ rights
    under the Fourteenth Amendment by intentionally presenting
    false information to the Juvenile Court to obtain an order to
    remove the children from Sarah’s custody and by removing
    the children from Sarah’s care; and (3) Camreta and the KIDS
    Center violated the Greenes’ Fourteenth Amendment rights
    by unreasonably interfering with Sarah’s right to be with her
    children and with the children’s right to have their mother
    present during an intrusive medical examination.4
    The district court granted summary judgment to all defen-
    3
    A defendant who enters an Alford plea maintains his innocence but
    admits that sufficient evidence exists from which a judge or jury could
    find him guilty. See North Carolina v. Alford, 
    400 U.S. 25
     (1970).
    4
    There were other defendants, claims, and requests for relief in the
    Greenes’ complaint, not pertinent to this appeal.
    In particular, the complaint alleged custom and policy claims against
    Bend LaPine School District and Deschutes County with regard to the sei-
    zure of S.G. The district court rejected those claims, and the Greenes’
    opening brief does not challenge that holding. Any challenge to the dis-
    missal of the claims against the School District and the County has there-
    fore been waived, and the dismissal stands. See Ind. Towers of Wash. v.
    Washington, 
    350 F.3d 925
    , 929 (9th Cir. 2003).
    The Greenes also brought a claim against Friesen, the school guidance
    counselor, for her role in removing S.G. from class to conduct the inter-
    view. Friesen was sued only in her official capacity. Claims against
    Friesen in her official capacity are treated as if they had been brought
    directly against the school district, see Butler v. Elle, 
    281 F.3d 1014
    , 1026
    n.9 (9th Cir. 2002), so the dismissal of the suit against Friesen also stands.
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    dants. As to the in-school interrogation, the court held that
    S.G. had been seized when she was taken from her classroom
    and interviewed by Camreta and Alford but that the seizure
    was “objectively reasonable under the facts and circumstances
    of this case.” Moreover, even if the Greenes’ constitutional
    rights had been violated, the district court held, Camreta and
    Alford were entitled to qualified immunity because “no rea-
    sonable school official, caseworker, or police officer would
    have believed [their] actions violated the Fourth Amend-
    ment.”
    With respect to the removal of S.G. and K.G. from Sarah’s
    custody and Sarah’s exclusion from their medical examina-
    tions, the court held that there were no due process violations
    because the girls were removed from Sarah’s custody pursu-
    ant to a court order and Sarah was given an opportunity to be
    heard at the custody hearing. The court also concluded that
    (1) Camreta was, in any event, entitled to absolute quasi-
    judicial immunity regarding the removal of the girls; and (2)
    excluding Sarah from the examinations did not violate the
    Fourteenth Amendment because Sarah did not have custody
    at that time and the examinations conformed with Oregon
    statutory and administrative law.
    The Greenes timely appealed.
    II.   ANALYSIS
    As this case is an appeal from the grant of summary judg-
    ment to defendants, we will draw all reasonable inferences in
    the Greenes’ favor. Defendants, as the moving parties, bear
    the burden of production and persuasion. Anderson v. Liberty
    Lobby, 
    477 U.S. 242
    , 255 (1986). We review the grant of
    summary judgment de novo. See Blankenhorn v. City of
    Orange, 
    485 F.3d 463
    , 470 (9th Cir. 2007).
    A.    SCHOOL INTERVIEW
    Before proceeding to the merits of the school interview
    issue, a note on our reasons for addressing this central consti-
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    tutional claim on the merits is in order. Ultimately, the ques-
    tion in this case is whether the individual defendants may be
    held liable in damages to the Greenes. The defendants main-
    tain that even if they violated the Greenes’ constitutional
    rights, they are entitled to qualified immunity and so not lia-
    ble in damages.
    [1] Before the Supreme Court’s recent decision in Pearson
    v. Callahan, 
    129 S. Ct. 808
     (2009), courts addressing an offi-
    cial’s claim of qualified immunity were required to follow the
    two-step sequential inquiry established in Saucier v. Katz, 
    533 U.S. 194
     (2001), asking first whether the plaintiff alleged vio-
    lation of a constitutional right and, second, whether that right
    was clearly established at the time of the conduct at issue.
    Pearson relieved courts of their obligation always to follow
    this sequence, permitting “[t]he judges of the district courts
    and the courts of appeal . . . to exercise their sound discretion
    in deciding which of the two prongs of the qualified immunity
    analysis should be addressed first in light of the circumstances
    in the particular case at hand.” Pearson, 
    129 S. Ct. at 818
    .
    [2] Although rigid adherence to the Saucier protocol is no
    longer required, Pearson was also careful to note that the Sau-
    cier’s two-step procedure is “often beneficial,” as it “pro-
    motes the development of constitutional precedent.” 
    Id.
     Such
    is the case here, where the constitutional standards governing
    the in-school seizure of a student who may have been abused
    by her parents are of great importance. As will appear,
    although other circuits have provided guidance to parents,
    school officials, social workers, and law enforcement person-
    nel on the issue, we have not. In a similar circumstance aris-
    ing after Pearson, we addressed the constitutional issue on the
    merits first. See Stoot v. City of Everett, 
    582 F.3d 910
    , 918 n.8
    (9th Cir. 2009) (conducting the constitutional inquiry “where
    we have not previously addressed whether a police officer
    may rely solely on the statements of a very young victim of
    alleged sexual abuse to establish probable cause to seize a
    potential suspect.”) (emphasis altered). See also Kelsey v.
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    Country of Schoharie, 
    567 F.3d 54
    , 61 (2d Cir. 2009) (“The
    development of constitutional precedent is especially impor-
    tant here, where . . . this Court has not spoken on . . . the con-
    stitutionality of clothing exchange procedures in jails.”); Okin
    v. Vill. of Cornwall-on-Hudson Police Dep’t, 
    577 F.3d 415
    ,
    430 n.9 (2d Cir. 2009) (finding it “necessary to articulate the
    nature of the claimed violation” before determining whether
    the right in question was clearly established).
    [3] Moreover, the school interview issue does not present
    a “kaleidoscopic set of facts . . . creat[ing] . . . a classic genu-
    ine issue of material fact on the central issue” on which the
    alleged constitutional violation turns, rendering a constitu-
    tional determination too case-specific to aid in clarifying the
    law for the future. Mueller v. Auker, 
    576 F.3d 979
    , 994 (9th
    Cir. 2009). To the contrary, we consider the relatively
    straightforward question whether an in-school seizure and
    interrogation of a suspected child abuse victim is always per-
    missible under the Fourth Amendment without probable cause
    and a warrant or the equivalent of a warrant,5 as defendants
    maintain. We therefore address both prongs of the qualified
    immunity inquiry in this case, to provide guidance to those
    charged with the difficult task of protecting child welfare
    within the confines of the Fourth Amendment.
    [4] With that background, we proceed to consider whether,
    as the Greenes argue, the warrantless, in-school interview of
    S.G. violated S.G.’s Fourth Amendment rights.6 The Fourth
    Amendment guarantees individuals the right “to be secure in
    their persons . . . against unreasonable searches and seizures
    5
    As discussed infra, Part II.A.2, we hold that in the child abuse investi-
    gation context, a court order permitting the seizure of a child is the func-
    tional equivalent of a warrant.
    6
    The Greenes have not argued that the in-school seizure of S.G. violated
    Sarah’s familial rights under the Fourteenth Amendment, although they
    have made such a claim with respect to the subsequent removal order and
    physical examinations. See Santosky v. Kramer, 
    455 U.S. 745
    , 753-54
    (1982).
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    . . .” by government officials. U.S. CONST. amend. IV. Cam-
    reta and Alford do not contest the district court’s holding that
    the two-hour interview of S.G. at her school was a seizure.
    We agree with the district court, and with the ruling of the
    Seventh Circuit in a very similar case, that it was. See Doe v.
    Heck, 
    327 F.3d 492
    , 509 (7th Cir. 2003) (holding that student
    removed from class to be questioned by a caseworker and a
    uniformed police officer regarding alleged abuse had been
    seized for Fourth Amendment purposes); 
    id.
     at 510 n.15 (col-
    lecting similar cases). The question before us is whether that
    seizure was “unreasonable.”
    [5] We have yet to address the principles governing the in-
    school seizure of a suspected child abuse victim. We have,
    however, previously held that the warrantless, non-emergency
    search and seizure of an alleged victim of child sexual abuse
    at her home violates the Fourth Amendment. See Calabretta
    v. Floyd, 
    189 F.3d 808
     (9th Cir. 1999). Calabretta does not
    resolve the Fourth Amendment issue in this case but goes a
    fair way towards doing so.
    In Calabretta, a social worker received a tip from a neigh-
    bor who claimed to have been awakened late at night by a
    child screaming “No Daddy, no.” 
    Id. at 810
    . Suspecting
    abuse, the social worker, accompanied by a police officer, vis-
    ited the home, entered without consent, and interviewed and
    examined the children. 
    Id. at 810-12
    . The family later brought
    suit, alleging violation of their Fourth Amendment rights.
    [6] The defendants in Calabretta maintained, primarily,
    that the search and seizure at the family home was reasonable
    because “any check on the welfare of children” triggered the
    “exigent circumstance[s]” exception to the Fourth Amend-
    ment’s warrant requirement. 
    Id. at 811
    . They also came at the
    problem another way, arguing that traditional Fourth Amend-
    ment protections do not apply to child abuse investigations at
    all, as such investigations constitute administrative searches
    requiring neither probable cause nor a warrant. 
    Id. at 812
    . We
    GREENE v. CAMRETA                         16313
    rejected both arguments, holding both that traditional Fourth
    Amendment protections apply to child abuse investigations
    and that the family’s right to be free of warrantless searches
    and seizures in their home, even within the context of a child
    abuse investigation, was clearly established at the time of the
    incident. See 
    id. at 817
    . We have reaffirmed our holding in
    Calabretta twice, noting that although the crime of child sex-
    ual abuse “may be heinous . . . [this] does not provide cause
    for the state to ignore the rights of the accused or any other
    parties.” Wallis v. Spencer, 
    202 F.3d 1126
    , 1130 (9th Cir.
    2000); see also Rogers v. County of San Joaquin, 
    487 F.3d 1288
    , 1291 (9th Cir. 2007).
    Defendants insist that Calabretta and Wallis have nothing
    to do with this case because S.G. was seized at school rather
    than at home. Citing the Supreme Court’s decision in New
    Jersey v. T.L.O., defendants argue that searches and seizures7
    in public schools are subject to a special standard of reason-
    ableness, whereby a search or seizure is “reasonable” if it was
    “justified at its inception” and “reasonably related in scope to
    the circumstances which justified the interference in the first
    place.” 
    469 U.S. 325
    , 341 (1985), quoting Terry v. Ohio, 
    392 U.S. 1
    , 20 (1967). Defendants urge us to conclude, in other
    words, that while seizing S.G. and interviewing her at home
    for two hours would have been unreasonable absent probable
    cause and a warrant or exigent circumstances, it was reason-
    able to do a similarly lengthy interrogation in the same way
    7
    Although T.L.O., like many of the so-called “special needs” cases
    listed infra note 9, involved a search rather than a seizure, courts have
    applied the same standard to seizures of students at public schools as to
    searches. See Jones v. Hunt, 
    410 F.3d 1221
    , 1228 (10th Cir. 2005) (citing
    Edwards v. Rees, 
    883 F.2d 882
    , 844 (10th Cir. 1989)); Wofford v. Evans,
    
    390 F.3d 318
    , 326 (4th Cir. 2004); Hassan v. Lubbock Indep. Sch. Dist.,
    
    55 F.3d 1075
    , 1079 (5th Cir. 1995). Indeed, the standard enunciated in
    T.L.O. was based on the “reasonableness” standard established in Terry v.
    Ohio, 
    392 U.S. 1
    , 20 (1968), which involved a brief seizure for investiga-
    tive purposes. We therefore draw on Fourth Amendment case law govern-
    ing both searches and seizures throughout this opinion.
    16314                 GREENE v. CAMRETA
    at S.G.’s school. We decline to adopt this distinction, for rea-
    sons we now explain.
    1.    T.L.O. and the Fourth Amendment in Public
    Schools
    We begin by noting that, despite defendants’ heavy reliance
    upon it, the Supreme Court’s decision in T.L.O. is at best tan-
    gentially related to this case. T.L.O. addressed the claims of
    a high school student whose purse was searched by an assis-
    tant vice principal, without a warrant or probable cause, after
    a teacher discovered two girls smoking in the school lavatory.
    
    469 U.S. at 328
    . The Court held the search reasonable even
    in the absence of a warrant or probable cause, explaining that
    the warrant requirement was “unsuited to the school environ-
    ment” because it “would unduly interfere with the mainte-
    nance of the swift and informal disciplinary procedures
    needed in the schools.” 
    Id. at 340
    . The Court similarly noted
    that the school setting required “some modification of the
    level of suspicion” needed to justify a search of students, in
    light of “the substantial need of teachers and administrators
    for freedom to maintain order in the schools.” 
    Id. at 340-41
    .
    The Court therefore applied a special standard — “reason-
    ableness under all the circumstances” — which “involves a
    twofold inquiry: first, . . . whether the action was justified at
    its inception; second, . . . whether the search as actually con-
    ducted was reasonably related in scope to the circumstances
    which justified the interference in the first place.” 
    Id. at 341
    (internal citation and quotation omitted).
    Defendants maintain that we must apply this standard
    across-the-board to all searches and seizures in public
    schools, but the language of T.L.O. itself indicates that it was
    not meant to be read so broadly. The Court expressly noted,
    for example, that it was addressing only searches “by a
    teacher or other school official,” explaining that “[b]y focus-
    ing attention on the question of reasonableness, the standard
    will spare teachers and administrators the necessity of school-
    GREENE v. CAMRETA                         16315
    ing themselves in the niceties of probable cause and permit
    them to regulate their conduct according to the dictates of rea-
    son and common sense.” 
    Id. at 341, 343
    . The Court further
    clarified that it was considering “only searches carried out by
    school authorities acting alone and on their own authority,”
    expressing “no opinion” on “the appropriate standard for
    assessing the legality of searches conducted by school offi-
    cials in conjunction with or at the behest of law enforcement
    agencies.” 
    Id.
     at 341 n.7.
    [7] The Court recently affirmed the narrowness of T.L.O.,
    characterizing it as “h[o]ld[ing] that for searches by school
    officials a careful balancing of governmental and private
    interests” requires a showing less than probable cause, and
    therefore applying “a standard of reasonable suspicion to
    determine the legality of a school administrator’s search of a
    student.” Safford Unified Sch. Dist. v. Redding, 
    129 S.Ct. 2633
    , 2639 (2009) (internal citation and quotation omitted).8
    See also Ferguson v. City of Charleston, 
    532 U.S. 67
    , 79 n.15
    (2001) (noting that “[i]n T.L.O., [the Court] made a point of
    distinguishing searches ‘carried out by school authorities act-
    ing alone and on their own authority’ from those conducted
    ‘in conjunction with, or at the behest of law enforcement
    agencies’ ”).
    [8] S.G. was, of course, seized and interrogated by a social
    services caseworker and a deputy sheriff. Neither of these
    individuals qualifies as a “school official.” Thus, by its own
    terms, T.L.O. does not control our resolution of S.G.’s Fourth
    Amendment claim. The Second Circuit has reached the same
    conclusion we do, holding T.L.O. inapplicable to the seizure
    of a student by a social services agency caseworker. See
    Tenenbaum v. Williams, 
    193 F.3d 581
    , 607 (2d Cir. 1999). As
    the Second Circuit explained, “[p]ublic schools have a rela-
    tionship with their students that is markedly different from the
    8
    Redding held that a strip search of a girl suspected of possessing pre-
    scription ibuprofen was unreasonable under the T.L.O. standard.
    16316                      GREENE v. CAMRETA
    relationship between most governmental agencies, including
    [Child Protective Services], and the children with whom they
    deal. Constitutional claims based on searches or seizures by
    public school officials relating to public school students there-
    fore call for an analysis . . . that is different from that [for
    searches or seizures by caseworkers].” 
    Id.
    Moreover, the Court’s decision in T.L.O. was premised on
    a “special need” of government not present in this case: “the
    substantial interest of teachers and administrators in maintain-
    ing discipline in the classroom and on school grounds.” 
    469 U.S. at 339
    . The Court noted that disciplinary problems and
    student drug use had been rising in recent years, and that “the
    preservation of order and a proper educational environment
    requires close supervision of schoolchildren, as well as the
    enforcement of rules against conduct that would be perfectly
    permissible if undertaken by an adult.” 
    Id.
     It was in light of
    these considerations that the Court concluded that the school’s
    need swiftly to discipline T.L.O., suspected of smoking in the
    lavatory in violation of school rules, would be frustrated if
    school officials were required first to obtain a warrant based
    on probable cause. 
    Id. at 340-41
    .
    In this case, by contrast, S.G. is not suspected of having
    violated any school rule, nor is there any evidence that her
    immediate seizure was necessary to “maintain[ ] discipline in
    the classroom and on school grounds.” 
    Id. at 339
    . The “spe-
    cial need” animating the Court’s decision in T.L.O. is there-
    fore entirely absent.9 See Jones v. Hunt, 
    410 F.3d 1221
    , 1228
    9
    For the same reason, several of the other school seizure cases relied
    upon by defendants are inapposite, as they also address situations in which
    the student was suspected of committing an infraction on school grounds
    or during a school activity. See, e.g., Gray ex rel. Alexander v. Bostic, 
    458 F.3d 1295
     (11th Cir. 2006) (student verbally threatened teacher); Wofford
    v. Evans, 
    390 F.3d 318
     (4th Cir. 2004) (student allegedly brought gun to
    school); Hassan v. Lubbock Indep. Sch. Dist., 
    55 F.3d 1075
     (5th Cir.
    1995) (student detained and removed from school field trip due to misbe-
    GREENE v. CAMRETA                         16317
    (10th Cir. 2005) (holding the T.L.O. standard inapplicable to
    the seizure of a student that did “not involve efforts by school
    administrators to preserve order on school property”).
    [9] These distinctions are crucial if we are properly to
    assess the Fourth Amendment standard applicable to the sei-
    zure of an alleged victim of child sexual abuse at her school.
    “Although the underlying command of the Fourth Amend-
    ment is always that searches and seizures be reasonable, what
    is reasonable depends on the context within which a search
    takes place.” T.L.O., 
    469 U.S. at 337
    . For each “specific class
    of searches,” we determine the appropriate standard of rea-
    sonableness by “ ‘balancing the need to search against the
    invasion which the search entails.’ ” 
    Id.
     (quoting Camara v.
    Mun. Court, 
    387 U.S. 523
    , 536-37 (1967)). If the seizure of
    a student at school to investigate sexual abuse by a parent
    could be said to belong to the same “specific class of search-
    es” as the search of a student’s purse to investigate a disci-
    plinary infraction, we would be justified in applying the
    reasonableness standard outlined in T.L.O. to the facts of this
    case. But T.L.O. itself indicates that the two types of searches
    differ in critical ways. We therefore cannot rely on the balanc-
    ing of interests in T.L.O. to assess the reasonableness of
    defendants’ decision to seize S.G.
    2.    The “Special Needs” Doctrine & Child Sexual
    Abuse Investigations
    [10] Defendants also argue that, even if the Supreme
    Court’s decision in T.L.O. does not strictly control this case,
    T.L.O. stands more generally for the proposition that probable
    havior); Edwards v. Rees, 
    883 F.2d 882
     (10th Cir. 1989) (student sus-
    pected of making a bomb threat); Cason v. Cook, 
    810 F.2d 188
     (8th Cir.
    1987) (student suspected of breaking into another student’s locker); Tarter
    v. Raybuck, 
    742 F.2d 977
     (6th Cir. 1984) (student suspected of dealing
    drugs at school).
    16318                      GREENE v. CAMRETA
    cause and a warrant are not “irreducible requirement[s] of a
    valid search” or seizure under the Fourth Amendment. See
    T.L.O., 
    469 U.S. at 340
    . That much is quite true. T.L.O.
    belongs to a line of cases in which the Supreme Court has
    lowered traditional Fourth Amendment protections “when
    special needs, beyond the normal need for law enforcement,
    make the warrant and probable cause requirement impractica-
    ble.”10 Griffin v. Wisconsin, 
    483 U.S. 868
    , 873 (1987) (inter-
    nal quotation omitted). Although defendants acknowledge
    that neither the Supreme Court nor this court has applied the
    “special needs” doctrine to searches or seizures of children
    during a child abuse investigation, they argue that the govern-
    ment’s “special need” to protect children from sexual abuse
    justifies a departure from both the warrant and probable cause
    requirements in a case such as this one.11 As noted above, we
    10
    Although the term “special needs” was first used by Justice Blackmun
    in his concurring opinion in T.L.O., see 
    469 U.S. at 351
     (Blackmun, J.,
    concurring), the doctrine is rooted in the Supreme Court’s decision in
    Camara v. Mun. Court, 
    387 U.S. 523
     (1967), which addressed the consti-
    tutionality of San Francisco’s warrantless building inspection program.
    Since Camara, the Court has applied the doctrine in a number of contexts
    in which such “special needs” exist. See, e.g., Bd. of Educ. v. Earls, 
    536 U.S. 822
     (2002) (drug testing of high school students participating in
    extracurricular activities); Vernonia Sch. Dist. v. Acton, 
    515 U.S. 646
    (1995) (random drug testing of high-school athletes); Skinner v. Ry. Labor
    Executives’ Ass’n, 
    489 U.S. 602
     (1989) (drug and alcohol testing of rail-
    road employees involved in accidents); Nat’l Treasury Employees Union
    v. Von Raab, 
    489 U.S. 656
     (1989) (drug testing of employees applying for
    certain Customs Service positions); Griffin v. Wisconsin, 
    483 U.S. 868
    (1987) (search of probationers); New York v. Burger, 
    482 U.S. 691
     (1987)
    (administrative inspections in closely-regulated industries); O’Connor v.
    Ortega, 
    480 U.S. 709
     (1987) (workplace searches of public employees);
    United States v. Martinez-Fuerte, 
    428 U.S. 543
     (1976) (traffic stops at
    border checkpoints). But see Ferguson, 
    532 U.S. at 84-85
     (refusing to
    extend special needs doctrine to drug testing of pregnant women for law
    enforcement purposes); City of Indianapolis v. Edmond, 
    531 U.S. 32
    (2000) (refusing to extend doctrine to police roadblocks aimed at detecting
    narcotics trafficking); Chandler v. Miller, 
    520 U.S. 305
     (1997) (refusing
    to extend doctrine to drug testing of candidates for political office).
    11
    The federal district and circuit courts are split on the applicability of
    the “special needs” doctrine to investigations of child abuse. Compare Roe
    GREENE v. CAMRETA                          16319
    addressed a similar argument in Calabretta, holding that tra-
    ditional Fourth Amendment protections apply to the seizure of
    a child from her home. We reach the same conclusion in this
    case, as we now explain.
    [11] The threshold inquiry in a “special needs” case is
    whether the government has identified some need, “beyond
    the normal need for law enforcement,” to justify a departure
    from traditional Fourth Amendment standards. Von Raab, 489
    U.S. at 665-66; see also Ferguson, 
    532 U.S. at
    74 n.7; Hen-
    derson v. City of Simi Valley, 
    305 F.3d 1052
    , 1056 (9th Cir.
    2002). So, although the Supreme Court has “tolerated suspen-
    sion of the Fourth Amendment’s warrant or probable-cause
    requirement[s] [when] there was no law enforcement purpose
    behind the searches . . ., and . . . little, if any, entanglement
    with law enforcement” in conducting them, Ferguson, 532
    v. Tex. Dep’t of Protective & Regulatory Servs., 
    299 F.3d 395
    , 406-07 (5th
    Cir. 2002) (holding the “special needs” doctrine inapplicable given the
    extensive involvement of law enforcement in investigations of child abuse
    under Texas law); Tenenbaum, 
    193 F.3d at 606
     (applying traditional
    Fourth Amendment analysis to searches and seizures made in the course
    of child abuse investigations); Franz v. Lytle, 
    997 F.2d 784
    , 791 (10th Cir.
    1993) (holding “special needs” doctrine inapplicable to investigation of
    child abuse conducted by law enforcement); Good v. Dauphin County Soc.
    Servs., 
    891 F.2d 1087
    , 1093-94 (3d Cir. 1989) (applying traditional Fourth
    Amendment analysis); with Doe v. Bagan, 
    41 F.3d 571
    , 575 n.3 (10th Cir.
    1994) (applying T.L.O.’s lesser standard of reasonableness to the seizure
    of a student during a child sexual abuse investigation); Wildauer v. Fred-
    erick County, 
    993 F.2d 369
    , 372-73 (4th Cir. 1993) (same); Darryl H. v.
    Coler, 
    801 F.2d 893
    , 900-02 (7th Cir. 1986) (applying T.L.O.’s lesser stan-
    dard of “reasonableness” and holding the warrant and probable cause
    requirements inapplicable). In the Seventh Circuit, the appropriate stan-
    dard of review under the Fourth Amendment turns on whether the student
    attends private or public school. Compare Michael C. v. Gresbach, 
    526 F.3d 1008
    , 1015 (7th Cir. 2008) (holding that caseworkers must comply
    with the warrant and probable cause requirements when searching and
    seizing students on private school grounds); Doe v. Heck, 
    327 F.3d 492
    ,
    512 (7th Cir. 2003) (same); with Darryl H., 
    801 F.2d at 900-02
     (applying
    lesser standard of reasonableness to the same conduct on public school
    grounds).
    16320                     GREENE v. CAMRETA
    U.S. at 79 n.15, the Court hasn’t relaxed traditional Fourth
    Amendment protections when the main purpose of an ostensi-
    bly administrative search was to gather evidence for use in
    subsequent criminal proceedings, or when law enforcement
    personnel were substantially involved in the design and
    implementation of the administrative program. Indeed,
    “[n]one of [the Court’s] special needs cases have . . . upheld
    the collection of evidence for criminal law enforcement pur-
    poses.” 
    Id.
     at 83 n.20; see also Edmond, 
    531 U.S. at 38
    .
    Rather, “[t]he traditional . . . requirements are waived . . . on
    the explicit assumption that the evidence obtained in the
    search is not intended to be used for law enforcement pur-
    poses.” Ferguson, 
    532 U.S. at 88
     (Kennedy, J., concurring).
    [12] In this case, the presence of law enforcement objec-
    tives is evident. At the time of the seizure, police were
    actively investigating allegations of child sexual abuse against
    S.G.’s father and a police officer was present at S.G.’s inter-
    view. As courts faced with similar “dual-purpose” searches
    have noted, “disentangling [the goal of protecting a child’s
    welfare] from general law enforcement purposes” becomes
    particularly “difficult” in these circumstances, as we cannot
    allow “[o]ther societal objectives [to] justify a program that
    would systematically collect information for the police.” Roe,
    
    299 F.3d at 406-07
    ; see also Ferguson, 
    532 U.S. at
    83 n.20;
    Edmond, 
    531 U.S. at 38, 41-42
    . Here, we are convinced that
    law enforcement personnel and purposes were too deeply
    involved in the seizure of S.G. to justify applying the “special
    needs” doctrine, for two primary reasons.12
    [13] First, police were conducting an ongoing investigation
    of S.G.’s father, and Camreta requested that Deputy Sheriff
    Alford, a uniformed police officer carrying a visible firearm,
    12
    The facts of this case do not require us to decide whether the “special
    needs” doctrine would apply to an in-school interrogation of a child where
    there is no direct law enforcement purpose and no involvement of law
    enforcement personnel.
    GREENE v. CAMRETA                         16321
    accompany him to the interview. A state regulation required
    Child Protective Service workers to “[i]nterview the child out
    of the presence of other persons, unless the CPS worker
    believes the presence of a school employee or other person
    would facilitate the interview.” OR. ADMIN. R. 413-015-
    0610(4) (2003).13 There are two apparent ways in which
    Alford’s presence might have “facilitated” the interview. One
    purpose may have been to gather evidence firsthand, which
    would clearly run afoul of the Supreme Court’s admonition
    that “[n]one of [its] special needs cases have . . . upheld the
    collection of evidence for criminal law enforcement pur-
    poses.” Ferguson, 
    532 U.S. at
    83 n.20; see also Franz, 
    997 F.2d at 791
    . Or perhaps Camreta and Alford believed that “the
    threat of law enforcement intervention” would provide the
    “necessary leverage” to “facilitate” Camreta’s interview with
    S.G., reasoning that a nine-year-old girl would surely feel
    compelled to talk truthfully in the presence of a uniformed,
    armed police officer. Cf. Ferguson, 
    532 U.S. at 72
    . Either
    way, the decision to have Alford accompany Camreta to the
    interview constituted sufficient entanglement with law
    enforcement to trigger the traditional Fourth Amendment pre-
    requisites to seizure of a person.
    [14] Second, we are mindful of the general rule that the
    constitutionality of a search or seizure cannot turn on the sub-
    jective intent of government officials. See Whren v. United
    States, 
    517 U.S. 806
    , 813 (1996). But the Supreme Court has
    allowed a “purpose inquiry in [the ‘special needs’] context [if]
    conducted only at the programmatic level,” cautioning that
    such an inquiry “is not an invitation to probe the minds of
    individual officers acting at the scene.” Edmond, 
    531 U.S. at 48
    . We therefore look to Oregon law to determine whether “a
    child protective services search is so intimately intertwined
    with law enforcement” as to render the “special needs” doc-
    13
    The regulations cited are those in effect at the time of the events in
    this case. There have been some changes since. See OR. ADMIN. R. 413-
    015-0415(5) (2009).
    16322                      GREENE v. CAMRETA
    trine inapplicable. Roe, 
    299 F.3d at 407
    . Our review of Ore-
    gon’s statutory scheme convinces us that the involvement of
    law enforcement in this case is symptomatic of the broader
    entanglement of law enforcement and social services officials
    in the state’s investigation of child abuse.
    Under Oregon law, an investigation into alleged abuse
    begins when a mandatory reporter14 contacts either “the local
    office of the Department of Human Services” or “a law
    enforcement agency within the county.” Or. REV. STAT.
    § 419B.015.15 Once a report is received, the Department must
    notify a law enforcement agency, and vice versa. Id. Reports
    are then accorded priority based upon criteria, established by
    the department, that “enable[s] the department, the designee
    of the department or a law enforcement agency to quickly and
    easily identify reports that require notification within 24 hours
    after receipt.” § 419B.017. Either “the department or the
    agency shall immediately cause an investigation to be made
    to determine the nature and cause of the abuse of the child.”
    § 419B.020(1). “If the law enforcement agency conducting
    the investigation finds reasonable cause to believe that abuse
    has occurred, the law enforcement agency shall notify . . . the
    local office of the department,” which “shall provide protec-
    tive social services of its own or of other available social
    agencies to prevent further abuses.” § 419B.020(3).
    Either the law enforcement agency or the department may
    also take protective custody of the child. § 419B.020(5)(a). If
    either an officer or a caseworker “has reasonable cause to
    14
    A “mandatory reporter” is “[a]ny public or private official having rea-
    sonable cause to believe that any child with whom the official comes in
    contact has suffered abuse or that any person with whom the official
    comes in contact has abused a child.” See OR. REV. STAT. § 419B.010.
    With certain exceptions, any official with such knowledge “shall immedi-
    ately report or cause a report to be made” to DHS or local law enforce-
    ment. Id.
    15
    All the remaining citations in this paragraph are also to Oregon
    Revised Statutes.
    GREENE v. CAMRETA                  16323
    believe that the child has been affected by sexual abuse . . .
    and that physical evidence of the abuse exists and is likely to
    disappear, the court may authorize a physical examination for
    the purposes of preserving evidence . . .” § 419B.020(6).
    Moreover, any “person conducting an investigation” under the
    statute who “observes a child who has suffered suspicious
    physical injury . . . shall [i]mmediately photograph or cause
    to have photographed the suspicious physical injuries . . . and
    [e]nsure that a designated medical professional conducts a
    medical assessment within 48 hours . . .” §§ 419B.023,
    419B.028. Once photographs are taken, the officer or case-
    worker “shall . . . place hard copies or prints of the photo-
    graphs . . . in any relevant files pertaining to the child
    maintained by the law enforcement agency or the depart-
    ment.” § 419B.028(2)(b).
    [15] The Fifth Circuit, reviewing similar provisions for
    investigating child abuse under Texas law, held that such joint
    investigations were not “divorced from the state’s general
    interest in law enforcement,” because they functioned “as a
    tool both for gathering evidence for criminal convictions and
    for protecting the welfare of the child.” Roe, 
    299 F.3d at
    406-
    07 (quotation omitted). We reach the same conclusion here.
    Oregon’s statutory scheme makes no effort to distinguish
    between criminal investigations of child abuse and civil inves-
    tigations to protect the victims of abuse. To the contrary, the
    provisions described above encourage entanglement between
    law enforcement and social service workers, by involving
    both police officers and caseworkers in the gathering and col-
    lection of evidence of child sexual abuse from the outset of
    an investigation.
    [16] We do not mean to express any negative judgment
    concerning the wisdom of Oregon’s policy. It may well be
    that fostering coordination and collaboration between case-
    workers and law enforcement officers is an effective way both
    to protect children and to arrest and prosecute child abusers
    — each, of course, governmental activity of the highest
    16324                      GREENE v. CAMRETA
    importance. But we do hold that state officials using such a
    policy cannot thereby forge an exception to traditional Fourth
    Amendment protections for the criminal investigation of child
    sexual abuse, as they seek to do here. Again, “[t]he fact that
    the suspected crime may be heinous . . . does not provide
    cause for the state to ignore the rights of the accused or any
    other parties.” Wallis, 
    202 F.3d at 1130
    .
    This is not to say, of course, that the seizure of S.G. was
    unconstitutional “simply because, in the course of [investigat-
    ing], an inspecting officer may discover evidence of crimes.”
    Burger, 
    482 U.S. at 716
    . Any time a government official sus-
    pects that a child has been abused, investigation of that abuse
    for child protection purposes may uncover evidence of a
    crime. Nor do we suggest that a caseworker conducting an
    investigation to ensure the welfare of the child is precluded
    from sharing the fruits of that investigation with law enforce-
    ment officers, who may subsequently use such information to
    prosecute the offender. See Ferguson, 
    532 U.S. at 80-81, 85
    ;
    
    id. at 90
     (Kennedy, J., concurring).16
    [17] Rather, we hold, as we did in Calabretta, that “the
    general law of search warrants applie[s] to child abuse inves-
    16
    Mandatory reporting laws, which require public and private officials
    to contact the authorities if they have reasonable grounds to suspect that
    a child is being abused, see, e.g., OR. REV. STAT. § 419B.010, do not raise
    the constitutional concerns discussed in the text. As the Supreme Court
    carefully noted in Ferguson, mandatory reporters come across such infor-
    mation in the course of their normal business and do not intend to elicit
    or coerce such statements. See 
    532 U.S. at
    78 n.13, 80-81; 
    id. at 90
     (Ken-
    nedy, J., concurring). Nothing in our opinion today would prevent a
    teacher, for example, from discussing suspected abuse with a student or
    from passing along any such information to social service workers. For
    “[w]hen a parent sends her child to school, she delegates some of her par-
    enting responsibilities to school officials. Though she does not consent to
    overzealous investigators interrogating her children over the principal’s
    objection . . ., she should reasonably expect that school officials will speak
    with her child if the child raises serious concerns about her home life.”
    United States v. Hollingsworth, 
    495 F.3d 795
    , 802 (7th Cir. 2007).
    GREENE v. CAMRETA                           16325
    tigations.” Calabretta, 
    189 F.3d at 814
    . Once the police have
    initiated a criminal investigation into alleged abuse in the
    home, responsible officials must provide procedural protec-
    tions appropriate to the criminal context. At least where there
    is, as here, direct involvement of law enforcement in an in-
    school seizure and interrogation of a suspected child abuse
    victim, we simply cannot say, as a matter of law, that she was
    seized for some “special need[ ], beyond the normal need for
    law enforcement.” Ferguson, 
    532 U.S. at
    74 n.7.
    [18] In short, applying the traditional Fourth Amendment
    requirements, the decision to seize and interrogate S.G. in the
    absence of a warrant, a court order, exigent circumstances,17
    or parental consent18 was unconstitutional. We follow the lead
    of our sister circuits and hold that in the context of the seizure
    of a child pursuant to a child abuse investigation, a court order
    permitting the seizure of the child is the equivalent of a warrant.19
    17
    Exigent circumstances permit a caseworker to seize a child without a
    warrant if the caseworker has “reasonable cause to believe that the child
    is likely to experience serious bodily harm in the time that would be
    required to obtain a warrant.” Rogers, 
    487 F.3d at 1294
    ; see also Burke
    v. County of Alameda, 
    2009 WL 3739333
     at *4-5 (9th Cir. 2009) (holding
    that a child’s statements during an interview gave the officer reasonable
    cause to believe that she was in danger of imminent sexual and physical
    abuse); Tenenbaum, 
    193 F.3d at 594
    . The exigent circumstances exception
    is not applicable here. Defendants waited three days to detain and interro-
    gate S.G. after receiving the initial report from DHS, and then returned her
    to her parents’ custody after the allegedly incriminating interview. Such
    delays and actions undermine any claimed exigency. See Rogers, 
    487 F.3d at 1296
    ; Tenenbaum, 
    193 F.3d at 595, 605
    .
    18
    S.G.’s parents did not consent to her seizure at school, as defendants
    did not notify them of the planned interview. The fact that defendants
    received permission from school officials to conduct the interview does
    not constitute valid “consent.” “The handing over of a child from a public
    school teacher to another State official . . . is not the equivalent of the con-
    sent of the parents.” Tenenbaum, 
    193 F.3d at
    594 n.9; see also T.L.O., 
    469 U.S. at 336
     (recognizing the limits of the in loco parentis doctrine in this
    context).
    19
    Here, for instance, Or. Rev. Stat. § 419B.045 specifically authorizes
    caseworkers to investigate reports of child abuse on public school prem-
    16326                      GREENE v. CAMRETA
    See, e.g., Tenenbaum, 
    193 F.3d at 602
    ; Doe v. Heck, 
    327 F.3d at 517
    ; Gates v. Texas Dept. of Protective and Regulatory
    Servs., 
    537 F.3d 404
    , 429 (5th Cir. 2008). We therefore
    reverse the district court to the extent that it held that Alford
    and Camreta had not violated S.G.’s right to be free from an
    unconstitutional seizure.
    B.   QUALIFIED IMMUNITY
    [19] Even where, as here, government officials have vio-
    lated citizens’ constitutional rights, “[t]he doctrine of quali-
    fied immunity protects government officials ‘from liability for
    civil damages insofar as their conduct does not violate clearly
    established statutory or constitutional rights of which a rea-
    sonable person would have known.’ ” Pearson, 129 S. Ct. at
    815 (quoting Harlow v. Fitzgerald, 
    457 U.S. 800
    , 818
    (1982)). “[Our] inquiry turns on the ‘objective legal reason-
    ableness of the action, assessed in light of the legal rules that
    were clearly established at the time it was taken.’ ” 
    Id. at 822
    (quoting Wilson v. Layne, 
    526 U.S. 603
    , 614 (1999)); see also
    Anderson v. Creighton, 
    483 U.S. 635
    , 640 (1987). If a govern-
    ment official “could . . . have reasonably but mistakenly
    believed that his or her conduct did not violate a clearly estab-
    lished constitutional right,” he is entitled to qualified immu-
    nity. Jackson v. City of Bremerton, 
    268 F.3d 646
    , 651 (9th
    Cir. 2001).
    [20] The Greenes bear the burden of demonstrating that the
    right allegedly violated was clearly established at the time of
    the incident. See Galen v. County of Los Angeles, 477 F.3d
    ises. Section 419B.150 permits an employee of the Department of Human
    Services or other officer to take a child into protective custody upon an
    order by the juvenile court. As the statutory scheme thus permits a case-
    worker to seek a court order for temporary protective custody and permits
    in-school interviews, it appears that a caseworker could obtain a court
    order for an in-school interview that complies with the constitution by pre-
    senting facts, “supported by Oath or affirmation,” to a judge, which facts
    constitute probable cause to suspect the child has been abused.
    GREENE v. CAMRETA                   16327
    652, 665 (9th Cir. 2007). To meet this burden, the Greenes
    cite only two cases: our prior decisions in Wallis and Cala-
    bretta. Yet, as defendants correctly argue, neither case is
    directly applicable, as both involved children seized or
    searched in their homes. See Wallis, 
    202 F.3d at 1134
    ; Cala-
    bretta, 
    189 F.3d at 810
    . Calabretta mentioned this distinction
    in declining to follow the Seventh Circuit’s decision in Darryl
    H., which permitted in-school investigations of child abuse
    based upon a showing of reasonableness, on the grounds that
    search and seizure at issue in Darryl H. “was not done during
    an unconstitutional entry into the home.” 
    189 F.3d at 818
    .
    [21] A case directly on point is not necessary to show that
    a right was “clearly established.” See Anderson, 
    483 U.S. at 640
    . But neither Wallis nor Calabretta would have put Cam-
    reta and Alford on notice that a social worker’s warrantless
    seizure of a child at her school, even in conjunction with a
    law enforcement officer, could violate the Fourth Amend-
    ment. Some other circuits have applied the “special needs”
    reasonableness standard to investigations of child abuse, see
    supra note 11. The fact that other courts “disagree[ ] about the
    contours of a right does not automatically render the law
    unclear,” but here, “these differences of opinion from our own
    are substantial enough to require immunity.” Redding, 
    129 S.Ct. at 2644
    .
    [22] The qualified immunity inquiry cannot end there, how-
    ever. If the defendants’ actions were clearly unconstitutional
    even on the lesser, “special needs” reasonableness standard
    they regard — incorrectly, as we have held — as applicable,
    then qualified immunity would not be available. Their actions
    could not then be said to be “reasonabl[e], but mistaken[ ]”
    with regard to whether S.G.’s constitutional rights were vio-
    lated. Jackson v. City of Bremerton, 
    268 F.3d at 651
    .
    [23] Under the lesser standard of reasonableness applicable
    in “special needs” cases, we conduct a “twofold inquiry” to
    determine whether a warrantless search is “reasonable”: “first,
    16328                 GREENE v. CAMRETA
    [we] must consider whether the action was justified at its
    inception; second, [we] must determine whether the search [or
    seizure] as actually conducted was reasonably related in scope
    to the circumstances which justified the interference in the
    first place.” T.L.O., 
    469 U.S. at 341
    (internal quotations and
    citations omitted). Accepting the facts in the light most favor-
    able to S.G., she was kept for two hours in a closed room by
    two people she did not know: a caseworker and a uniformed
    police officer carrying a firearm. Applying the T.L.O. stan-
    dard, Camreta and Alford could have reasonably believed that
    the decision to seize S.G. was sufficiently justified at its
    inception. Whether they could reasonably have regarded the
    seizure “as actually conducted” as reasonable in scope is a
    considerably closer question, for several reasons.
    First, neither Camreta nor Alford have provided any expla-
    nation for Deputy Sheriff Alford’s presence at the interview.
    Defendants emphasize that Alford “did not participate in the
    interview” and “just sat there without asking any questions.”
    These assertions support rather than detract from the conclu-
    sion that the seizure was not “reasonably related” to defen-
    dants’ claimed justification for interfering with S.G.’s liberty
    interests. Nothing in the record — or common sense — sug-
    gests that the silent presence of a uniformed, armed police
    officer at an interview of a child in a grade school is helpful
    in any legitimate way to determining whether the child needs
    child protective services.
    Second, the justification in the record for a seizure lasting
    two hours is weak. Most of the cases relied upon by Camreta
    and Alford do not address such a prolonged seizure. See Has-
    san, 
    55 F.3d at 1078, 1080
     (holding the detention of a student
    for disciplinary reasons for 50 minutes reasonable); Doe v.
    Bagan, 
    41 F.3d 571
    , 574-75 (10th Cir. 1994) (holding case-
    worker’s decision to seize and question student alone in the
    principal’s office for ten minutes reasonable); Edwards v.
    Rees, 
    883 F.2d 882
    , 884 (10th Cir. 1989) (holding vice princi-
    pal’s twenty-minute interrogation of student alleged to have
    GREENE v. CAMRETA                   16329
    made bomb threat reasonable). To the contrary, these cases
    held that the challenged seizures were reasonable in scope
    precisely because they were “brief,” noting, for example, that
    a “ten minute initial interview with a social services case-
    worker . . . [is] a de minimis interference with [a student’s]
    liberty, insufficient at that stage to trigger constitutional lib-
    erty concerns.” Bagan, 
    41 F.3d at 575
    . The seizure of S.G.,
    who was not herself suspected of any crime, lasted considera-
    bly longer than that.
    Other cases cited by defendants, however, come closer to
    sanctioning a two-hour seizure, although the circumstances
    were quite different. Wofford v. Evans, for example, involved
    the investigatory detention of a student who had allegedly
    brought a gun to school. See 
    390 F.3d at 321
    . The student
    claimed to have been detained for an hour and a half while
    school officials and law enforcement officers searched the
    school grounds for a gun. The Fourth Circuit held the deten-
    tion reasonable in scope because “school officials detained the
    pupil no longer than necessary to obviate [the unacceptable
    risk of her retrieving the weapon or revealing its location to
    a peer].” 
    Id. at 327
    ; see also Shuman v. Penn Manor Sch.
    Dist., 
    422 F.3d 141
    , 149 (3d Cir. 2005) (finding a detention
    lasting “no more than four hours” reasonable); Couture v. Bd.
    of Educ. of Albuquerque Pub. Schs., 
    535 F.3d 1243
    , 1254
    (10th Cir. 2008) (holding that a school that had “barricade[d
    a child] in a closet-like timeout room for one hour and thirty-
    five minutes” was not unreasonable).
    Camreta and Alford seek to justify the length of the seizure
    by pointing out that as the interview progressed, S.G. began
    disclosing sexual abuse by her father. S.G. maintains that for
    “over an hour” she repeatedly told Camreta that her father had
    never touched her in a bad way until she finally “just started
    saying yes to whatever he said.” It is far from clear that it was
    reasonable for Camreta and Alford to continue to detain S.G.
    for an entire hour during which she continually denied such
    abuse, even if it was reasonable to continue the interview
    16330                 GREENE v. CAMRETA
    once she started to say otherwise. Still, there is some case law
    applying the T.L.O. standard sanctioning a detention longer
    than an hour, and none refuting the justification Camreta and
    Alford offer for prolonging the detention beyond that —
    namely, that S.G. was just becoming — in their view —
    responsive.
    We are also mindful of the difficult task facing social ser-
    vices caseworkers, who are required to exercise significant
    discretion in determining whether a child’s welfare is in jeop-
    ardy. As the Second Circuit has explained,
    Protective services caseworkers [must] choose
    between difficult alternatives . . . . If they err in
    interrupting parental custody, they may be accused
    of infringing the parents’ constitutional rights. If
    they err in not removing the child, they risk injury to
    the child and may be accused of infringing the
    child’s rights. It is precisely the function of qualified
    immunity to protect state officials in choosing
    between such alternatives, provided that there is an
    objectively reasonable basis for their decision,
    whichever way they make it.
    Tenenbaum, 
    193 F.3d at 596
     (quoting van Emrik v. Chemung
    County Dep’t of Soc. Servs., 
    911 F.2d 863
    , 866 (2d Cir.
    1990)) (alterations in original).
    [24] For all these reasons, we hold that defendants in this
    case are entitled to qualified immunity. We hasten to note that
    government officials investigating allegations of child abuse
    should cease operating on the assumption that a “special
    need” automatically justifies dispensing with traditional
    Fourth Amendment protections in this context. As noted, we
    rejected such a claim in Calabretta, where state officials
    argued that “any check on the welfare of children” triggered
    the “exigent circumstances” exception to the warrant require-
    ment and that seizures conducted during investigations of
    GREENE v. CAMRETA                   16331
    child abuse were “administrative searches” subject to some
    lesser standard of reasonableness. 
    189 F.3d at 811-12
    . We
    have never adopted such an exception to traditional Fourth
    Amendments standards, and our decision today makes clear
    that we are unwilling to create an across-the-board exception
    because a student happens to be seized at a public school
    rather than on private property.
    [25] Because our precedent did not clearly establish that the
    in-school seizure of a student suspected of being the victim of
    child sexual abuse can be subject to traditional Fourth
    Amendment protections, and because, applying the lesser
    T.L.O. standard, the defendants’ actions were not so clearly
    invalid as to strip them of immunity, we affirm the district
    court’s ruling that defendants are entitled to qualified immu-
    nity on the Greenes’ Fourth Amendment claim.
    C.   THE REMOVAL OF S.G. AND K.G.        FROM   SARAH’S
    CUSTODY
    The Greenes also argue that their constitutional rights were
    violated because S.G. and K.G. were removed from Sarah’s
    custody pursuant to a Juvenile Court order triggered by an
    intentional misrepresentation by Camreta. In an affidavit pro-
    vided to the Juvenile Court, Camreta stated that “[Sarah] indi-
    cated the family had no alternate resources for either the
    children or Nimrod to ensure there would be no contact.” The
    Greenes maintain that this representation was materially false,
    contending that (1) Sarah had agreed to Camreta’s proposed
    “safety plan,” under which Nimrod would not have any uns-
    upervised contact with his daughters; and (2) Sarah told Cam-
    reta that, even though “it would be significantly detrimental
    to [the] family finances,” she had secured “a place where
    [Nimrod] could stay so that he would have no contact with
    [S.G. and K.G.].”
    Camreta argues that he is entitled to absolute quasi-judicial
    immunity for removing the children from the Greene home.
    16332                 GREENE v. CAMRETA
    A recent en banc decision of this court compels the opposite
    conclusion.
    [26] In Beltran v. Santa Clara County, 
    514 F.3d 906
     (9th
    Cir. 2008) (en banc), we held:
    Parties to section 1983 suits are generally entitled
    only to immunities that existed at common law. We
    have therefore granted state actors absolute immu-
    nity only for those functions that were critical to
    the judicial process itself, such as initiating a prose-
    cution. It follows that social workers have absolute
    immunity when they make discretionary, quasi-
    prosecutorial decisions to institute court dependen-
    cy proceedings to take custody away from parents.
    But they are not entitled to absolute immunity from
    claims that they fabricated evidence during an
    investigation or made false statements in
    a dependency petition affidavit that they signed
    under penalty of perjury, because such actions
    aren’t similar to discretionary decisions about
    whether to prosecute. A prosecutor doesn’t have
    absolute immunity if he fabricates evidence during
    a preliminary investigation, before he could prop-
    erly claim to be acting as an advocate, or
    makes false statements in a sworn affidavit in sup-
    port of an application for an arrest warrant. Further-
    more,        as      prosecutors       and        others
    investigating criminal matters have no absolute
    immunity for their investigatory conduct, a fortiori,
    social workers conducting investigations have
    no such immunity.
    
    Id. at 908-09
     (internal citations and quotations omitted).
    According to the Greenes, Camreta falsely represented that he
    had been told the family lacked the financial resources to
    comply with the safety plan, even though Sarah in fact gave
    repeated assurances that her husband would live elsewhere
    GREENE v. CAMRETA                   16333
    and have no contact with her daughters. Assuming, as we
    must, that Sarah’s version of events is true, under Beltran
    such a misrepresentation falls outside the scope of the abso-
    lute immunity afforded caseworkers.
    Camreta relies on our pre-Beltran decision in Mabe v. San
    Bernardino County Department of Public Social Services, 
    237 F.3d 1101
     (9th Cir. 2001), for the proposition that “social
    workers enjoy absolute, quasi-judicial immunity when mak-
    ing post-adjudication custody decisions pursuant to a valid
    court order.” 
    Id. at 1109
     (internal quotation omitted). Mabe
    provides no support for Camreta’s position in this case for
    two reasons. First, the quoted passage refers specifically to
    post-adjudication conduct, whereas the Greenes allege that
    Camreta misrepresented the fruits of his investigation before
    the Juvenile Court’s adjudication of the protective custody
    order. Second, Mabe itself distinguished the presentation of
    false evidence from other, discretionary decisions made by
    caseworkers during a child abuse investigation: Mabe held
    that “social workers are entitled to absolute immunity for the
    initiation and pursuit of dependency proceedings,” as well as
    any “post-adjudication custody decisions,” but noted that
    plaintiff’s allegations of false evidence in that case failed only
    “because [plaintiff] failed to offer any evidence of false or
    perjured testimony” by the caseworker. 
    Id.
    [27] Camreta is not entitled to qualified immunity as to the
    false representation claim, as the Greenes’ right to be free
    from judicial deception in securing the removal order was
    clearly established at the time of Camreta’s alleged misrepre-
    sentations to the court. We have repeatedly held that “[a] sei-
    zure conducted pursuant to a warrant obtained by judicial
    deception violates the Fourth Amendment.” Whitaker v. Gar-
    cetti, 
    486 F.3d 572
    , 581 (9th Cir. 2007) (citing Butler v. Elle,
    
    281 F.3d 1014
    , 1024 (9th Cir. 2002) (per curiam)). “To sup-
    port a § 1983 claim of judicial deception, a plaintiff must
    show that the defendant deliberately or recklessly made false
    statements or omissions that were material to the finding of
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    probable cause.” KRL v. Moore, 
    384 F.3d 1105
    , 1117 (9th
    Cir. 2004), citing Galbraith v. County of Santa Clara, 
    307 F.3d 1119
    , 1126 (9th Cir. 2002). Whether a false statement
    was “material” to the finding of probable cause is a question
    of law for the reviewing court. KRL, 
    384 F.3d at 1117
    ; Butler,
    
    281 F.3d at 1024
    .
    More specifically, the right to be free from deception in the
    presentation of evidence during a protective custody proceed-
    ing was clearly established at the time Camreta filed his affi-
    davit with the Juvenile Court. In Devereaux v. Perez, 
    218 F.3d 1045
     (9th Cir. 2000), for example, we held in the context
    of a child abuse proceeding that “the constitutional right to be
    free from the knowing presentation of false or perjured evi-
    dence” is clearly established. 
    Id. at 1055-56
    . Even earlier, we
    stated emphatically that “if an officer submitted an affidavit
    that contained statements he knew to be false or would have
    known were false had he not recklessly disregarded the truth,
    . . . he cannot be said to have acted in an objectively reason-
    able manner, and the shield of qualified immunity is lost.”
    Hervey v. Estes, 
    65 F.3d 784
    , 788 (9th Cir. 1995) (internal
    quotations and citation omitted); see also Butler, 
    281 F.3d at 1024
    ; Whitaker, 
    486 F.3d at 582
     (concluding that “the con-
    tours of the Fourth Amendment right against judicial decep-
    tion” were clearly established by 1996). See also Snell v.
    Tunnell, 
    920 F.2d 673
     (10th Cir. 1990) (holding social work-
    ers who deliberately fabricated evidence of child sexual abuse
    to secure a removal order not entitled to qualified immunity).
    [28] The Greenes have presented proof, in the form of
    Sarah’s affidavit and deposition testimony, that Camreta
    included false statements in his affidavit requesting a protec-
    tive custody order. According to Sarah, she told Camreta that
    there was a place for Nimrod to stay so that he would not
    have any contact with their daughters. Camreta’s sworn affi-
    davit states precisely the opposite, claiming that Sarah indi-
    cated the family lacked the financial resources to secure
    alternate housing for Nimrod. These conflicting accounts of
    GREENE v. CAMRETA                          16335
    the same conversation create a genuine factual dispute as to
    whether Camreta intentionally or recklessly misrepresented
    his conversations with Sarah in an effort to persuade the court
    to remove the children from her custody.20
    [29] The alleged misrepresentation was “material” to the
    granting of the removal order if the Juvenile Court would
    have declined to issue the order had Camreta been truthful.
    See Butler, 
    281 F.3d at 1026
    . The sole evidence presented
    against Sarah’s continued custody of her daughters consisted
    of Camreta’s contested assertion that she was unwilling or
    unable to prevent Nimrod from having contact with her daugh-
    ters.21 There was no basis for the Juvenile Court to remove
    S.G. and K.G. from Sarah’s custody, unless Sarah was failing
    to take the requisite steps to protect her daughters from Nim-
    rod. “The government may not, consistent with the Constitu-
    tion, interpose itself between a fit parent and her children
    simply because of the conduct — real or imagined — of the
    other parent.” Wallis, 
    202 F.3d at
    1142 n.14. Camreta’s
    alleged misrepresentation provided crucial evidence for deter-
    mining whether the girls remained in sufficient danger in
    Sarah’s custody to warrant a protective custody order. In all
    likelihood, the Juvenile Court would not have issued its order
    absent Camreta’s allegation that Sarah was unable to provide
    alternate housing for Nimrod.
    20
    If Camreta did not misrepresent what Sarah told him, or if he negli-
    gently misrepresented her statements, his conduct did not violate the Con-
    stitution. But whether either is the case is a question for the trier of fact,
    not for this court. See Butler, 
    281 F.3d at 1024
    .
    21
    This issue is complicated by the fact that the record does not contain
    any evidence regarding Sarah’s response to Camreta’s claims at the Juve-
    nile Court hearing. The record indicates that Sarah was present and repre-
    sented by counsel, and she presumably had an opportunity to rebut
    Camreta’s assertions. Transcripts from the Juvenile Court hearing were
    not included in the district court record, so it is impossible to know
    whether or how Sarah responded to Camreta’s version of the events at
    issue. If Sarah essentially ratified Camreta’s account of their March 7 con-
    versation at the hearing, Sarah’s claim that Camreta intentionally misrep-
    resented her statements to the Juvenile Court would be refuted.
    16336                      GREENE v. CAMRETA
    [30] Because Camreta’s alleged misrepresentation in sup-
    port of his request for a protective custody order — again,
    assuming it occurred — violated the Greenes’ clearly estab-
    lished rights, he is not entitled to qualified immunity. The dis-
    trict court’s grant of summary judgment to Camreta on the
    Greenes’ Fourteenth Amendment claims stemming from the
    removal order is therefore reversed.
    D.     THE CHILDREN’S MEDICAL EXAMINATIONS OUTSIDE
    THEIR MOTHER’S PRESENCE
    Finally, the Greenes assert a separate claim under the Four-
    teenth Amendment premised on Camreta’s decision to
    exclude Sarah from her daughters’ physical examinations at
    the KIDS Center. Specifically, the Greenes argue that Sarah’s
    exclusion violated her “substantive due process right to be
    there for her children,” as well as S.G. and K.G.’s right “to
    have their mother there when they face potentially traumatic
    events, such as the exams [performed at the KIDS Center].”
    We agree.22
    Wallis directly addressed the constitutionality of investiga-
    tory physical examinations of children outside their parents’
    presence. We stated:
    [P]arents have a right arising from the liberty interest
    in family association to be with their children while
    they are receiving medical attention (or to be in a
    waiting room or other nearby area if there is a valid
    reason for excluding them while all or a part of the
    medical procedure is being conducted). Likewise,
    22
    Camreta initially argued that he was entitled to absolute, quasi-judicial
    immunity for executing the Juvenile Court’s order, but at oral argument
    conceded that he is not. The concession is well-taken. Camreta was not
    executing a court order when he made the decision to exclude Sarah from
    the KIDS Center assessments, as the order said nothing about excluding
    Sarah from the examinations.
    GREENE v. CAMRETA                    16337
    children have a corresponding right to the love,
    comfort, and reassurance of their parents while they
    are undergoing medical procedures, includ-
    ing examinations — particularly those . . . that are
    invasive or upsetting. The interest in family associ-
    ation is particularly compelling at such times, in part
    because of the possibility that a need to make medi-
    cal decisions will arise, and in part because of the
    family’s right to be together during such difficult
    and often traumatic events.
    Wallis, 
    202 F.3d at 1142
    . This passage from Wallis estab-
    lishes two points central here: first, parents and children main-
    tain clearly established familial rights to be with each other
    during potentially traumatic medical examinations; and sec-
    ond, this right may be limited in certain circumstances to
    presence nearby the examinations, if there is some “valid rea-
    son” to exclude family members from the exam room during
    a medical procedure.
    [31] Even if Camreta had a valid reason to exclude Greene
    from K.G.’s medical exam, which we do not decide, Wallis
    held that parents have a right to be present at medical exami-
    nations of their children or “to be in a waiting room or other
    nearby area if there is a valid reason for excluding them.” 
    Id. at 1142
    . In this case, according to Sarah, she “was ordered by
    the staff of the KIDS Center, who were under orders of Bob
    Camreta, to leave the premises” entirely, depriving her of any
    opportunity to comfort her children even after the examina-
    tions had been completed. Prohibiting Sarah from remaining
    in an adjoining or nearby room violated her constitutional
    right under Wallis.
    [32] The language of Wallis is clear and unambiguous:
    government officials cannot exclude parents entirely from the
    location of their child’s physical examination absent parental
    consent, some legitimate basis for exclusion, or an emergency
    requiring immediate medical attention. 
    Id. at 1141-42
    . The
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    KIDS Center assessments involved the visual inspection and
    photographing of the children’s genitals. This process could
    certainly be emotionally traumatic to a young girl. Cf. Redd-
    ing, 
    129 S.Ct. at
    2642 (citing a study concluding that strip
    searches can “result in serious emotional damage.”). The chil-
    dren’s right to their mother’s comfort and their mother’s right
    to provide such comfort were thus at their apex. Camreta’s
    decision to exclude Sarah not just from the examination but
    from the entire facility where her daughter was being exam-
    ined violated the Greenes’ clearly established rights.23
    [33] We therefore reverse the district court’s grant of sum-
    mary judgment to Camreta on this claim as well.
    III.   CONCLUSION
    In sum, we hold that Camreta and Alford are entitled to
    qualified immunity with respect to S.G.’s Fourth Amendment
    claims and affirm the district court’s grant of summary judg-
    ment on that basis. With respect to the Greenes’ Fourteenth
    Amendment claims regarding the removal order, we conclude
    that there is a genuine issue of material fact as to whether
    Camreta secured the order by misrepresenting his conversa-
    23
    We note that there was no state administrative rule to the contrary.
    Oregon Administrative Rule 413-015-0720 sets forth “interviewing rules”
    for child protective services, providing, inter alia, that “[i]f the parent or
    caregiver is the alleged abuser or if the presence of the parent or caregiver
    might impede the interview, the CPS worker may interview children inde-
    pendent of their parents or caregivers.” OR. ADMIN. R. 413-015-0720(4)
    (2003). These rules were intended to govern initial interviews with victims
    of suspected abuse, a point made quite clear by the very next sub-part of
    the rule, which provides separate guidelines for initial physical examina-
    tions. See OR. ADMIN. R. 413-015-0720(5) (2003). The State’s regulatory
    scheme thus reflected a concern that the presence of a victim’s parents
    might impermissibly influence the child’s answers to a caseworker’s ques-
    tions, not a license to exclude a parent from the premises on which a phys-
    ical examination is occurring. (These regulations have been revised and
    now appear at OR. ADMIN. R. 413-015-0420 and OR. ADMIN. R. 413-015-
    0415.)
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    tions with Sarah. We therefore reverse the district court’s
    grant of summary judgment on that claim. Finally, we hold
    that Camreta’s decision to exclude Sarah from her daughters’
    medical examinations at the KIDS Center violated the
    Greenes’ clearly established familial rights under the Four-
    teenth Amendment. We therefore reverse the district court’s
    grant of summary judgment on that claim as well.
    AFFIRMED        in    part,   REVERSED      in   part,    and
    REMANDED.