C. B. v. City of Sonora ( 2014 )


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  •                   FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    C. B., a minor,                            No. 11-17454
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    D.C. No.
    v.                       1:09-cv-00285-
    AWI-SMS
    CITY OF SONORA; MACE MCINTOSH,
    Chief of Police; HAL PROCK,
    Officer,                                     OPINION
    Defendants-Appellants.
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Eastern District of California
    Oliver W. Wanger, Senior District Judge, Presiding
    Argued and Submitted En Banc
    March 17, 2014—San Francisco, California
    Filed October 15, 2014
    Before: Alex Kozinski, Chief Judge, and Diarmuid F.
    O’Scannlain, Sidney R. Thomas, Barry G. Silverman,
    Susan P. Graber, Ronald M. Gould, Richard A. Paez,
    Marsha S. Berzon, Richard C. Tallman, Jay S. Bybee and
    Milan D. Smith, Jr., Circuit Judges.
    Opinion by Judge Paez as to all but Part II.C.1;
    Opinion by Judge M. Smith as to Part II.C.1;
    Partial Concurrence and Partial Dissent by Judge M. Smith;
    Concurrence by Judge Gould;
    Partial Concurrence and Partial Dissent by Judge Berzon
    2                    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA
    SUMMARY*
    Civil Rights
    The en banc court affirmed in part and reversed in part the
    district court’s judgment entered following a jury trial, in an
    action arising out of a decision by Sonora City Police
    Department officers to handcuff and remove from school
    grounds C.B., an 11-year-old child with attention-deficit and
    hyperactivity disorder who was sitting on a bench and refused
    to leave the playground.
    The en banc court held that the 2003 amendment to Fed.
    R. Civ. P. 51 abrogated prior case law that denied review of
    jury instructions in civil cases in the absence of a timely
    objection. The en banc court held that the plain error
    standard of review in the civil context is similar to, but
    stricter than, the plain error standard of review applied in
    criminal cases. When reviewing civil jury instructions for
    plain error, a court must consider, as in the criminal context,
    whether (1) there was an error; (2) the error was obvious; and
    (3) the error affected substantial rights. The en banc court
    held that it is appropriate to consider the costs of correcting
    an error, and—in borderline cases—the effect that a verdict
    may have on nonparties. Finally, the court also held that the
    decision whether to correct a plain error under Federal Rule
    of Civil Procedure 51(d)(2) is discretionary.
    The en banc court concluded that defendants had not
    identified any plain error in the district court’s jury
    *
    This summary constitutes no part of the opinion of the court. It has
    been prepared by court staff for the convenience of the reader.
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                      3
    instructions, that the district court’s evidentiary rulings were
    not an abuse of discretion, and that defendants had not shown
    they were entitled to a settlement offset.
    The en banc court further held that defendants Chief
    McIntosh and Officer Prock were not entitled to qualified
    immunity on C.B.’s Fourth Amendment excessive force
    claim because no officer could have reasonably believed that
    their use of handcuffs to remove C.B. from school grounds
    complied with the Fourth Amendment.
    The en banc court held that Chief McIntosh and Officer
    Prock were entitled to qualified immunity with respect to
    C.B.’s unlawful seizure claim because a reasonable officer
    would not have known that taking a child in C.B.’s situation
    into temporary custody was unreasonable, and therefore
    unconstitutional.
    Concurring in part and dissenting in part, Judge M. Smith,
    was joined in full by Judges O’Scannlain, Tallman and
    Bybee, and was joined as to Part I, which is the opinion of the
    court, by Chief Judge Kozinski, and Judges Graber and
    Gould. In Part I of his opinion, Judge M. Smith stated that a
    majority of the court agreed that Chief McIntosh and Officer
    Prock were entitled to qualified immunity with respect to
    C.B.’s unlawful seizure claim. In Part II of his opinion,
    Judge M. Smith dissented from the majority’s conclusion that
    the scope of C.B.’s right to be free from excessive force was
    clearly established. In his view, the officers were entitled to
    qualified immunity on the excessive force claim because a
    reasonable officer would not have known that handcuffing
    C.B. to safely take him into temporary custody violated his
    constitutional rights.
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    Concurring in part, Judge Gould, with whom Chief Judge
    Kozinski and Judge Graber joined, agreed with Parts I, II.A,
    II.B, II.C.2, and II.D of Judge Paez’s opinion, concerning the
    factual background, rejection of the challenges to jury
    instructions and to evidentiary rulings, and the conclusions
    that Chief McIntosh and Officer Prock used excessive force
    in violation of the Fourth Amendment when, in removing
    C.B. from school grounds, they handcuffed him for 25 to 30
    minutes and that they were not entitled to qualified immunity
    for handcuffing C.B. Judge Gould joined in Part I of Judge
    M. Smith’s opinion, concerning the unlawful seizure claim,
    concluding that the officers were entitled to qualified
    immunity as to the seizure of C.B.
    Concurring in part and dissenting in part, Judge Berzon,
    joined by Judge Thomas, agreed with Judge Paez’s opinion,
    with one exception: As to C.B.’s unlawful seizure claim, she
    concurred in the result reached by Judge Paez but would
    reach that result via different reasoning. Because there was
    no cause to believe C.B. could be detained under the relevant
    California Welfare Code provisions, and no reasonable
    officer could believe that there was, she would affirm the
    judgment for C.B. on these grounds.
    Dissenting in part, Judge Paez in Part II.C.1 of his
    opinion, joined by Judge Silverman, disagreed that Chief
    McIntosh and Officer Prock were entitled to qualified
    immunity on C.B.’s Fourth Amendment seizure claim. Judge
    Paez stated that the officers’ decision to seize C.B. and
    remove him from school grounds was not reasonable and the
    law was clearly established that, at a minimum, police
    seizures at the behest of school officials had to be reasonable
    in light of the circumstances and not excessively intrusive.
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                     5
    COUNSEL
    Stephanie Y. Wu (argued) and Cornelius J. Callahan, Borton
    Petrini LLP, Modesto, California, for Defendants-Appellants.
    Julia Levitskaia (argued), John F. Martin, and Georgelle
    Christina Heintel, Law Offices of John F. Martin, Walnut
    Creek, California, for Plaintiff-Appellee.
    OPINION
    PAEZ, Circuit Judge:
    This case arises out of a decision by Sonora City Police
    Department officers to handcuff and remove from school
    grounds an 11-year-old child with attention-deficit and
    hyperactivity disorder (“ADHD”) who was doing nothing
    more than sitting quietly and resolutely in the school
    playground. After a seven-day trial, a jury found that the City
    of Sonora, Sonora Chief of Police Mace McIntosh, and
    Officer Harold Prock (collectively “Defendants”) were liable
    for violating C.B.’s Fourth Amendment rights and for tortious
    acts. The district court subsequently entered judgment on the
    verdict, and Defendants appeal.
    We must decide two central issues. First, we must decide
    whether the district court’s supplemental jury instructions
    were proper. To resolve this question, we also must
    determine whether litigants may object to civil jury
    instructions for the first time on appeal and, if so, what
    standard of review governs such challenges. Second, we
    must decide whether the district court erred in denying the
    individual officers qualified immunity on C.B.’s
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    constitutional claims. Additionally, Defendants raise several
    evidentiary and post-judgment arguments, which we also
    address. After setting forth the factual and procedural
    background of the case, we turn to the district court’s
    supplemental instructions.
    I. FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
    A.
    On September 28, 2009, sixth-grader C.B. was having a
    “rough” day at school. C.B. had been diagnosed with ADHD
    and took prescribed medications to manage his symptoms,
    but that morning, he had forgotten to take his medications.
    As a result, he experienced periods of unresponsiveness
    throughout the day; C.B., his parents, and school officials
    described this as C.B. “shutting down.” The school was
    aware of C.B.’s ADHD and had an accommodation plan
    under § 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, 
    29 U.S.C. § 794
    , in place for him. The accommodation plan designated
    Coach Karen Sinclair’s office as a safe space where C.B.
    could go if he was experiencing a “shut down,” to calm
    himself and refocus until he was ready to return to class.
    Unfortunately, that day, things did not unfold according
    to plan. When C.B. experienced a “shut down” during recess,
    Coach Sinclair tried to convince him to go to her office, but
    C.B. remained unresponsive and refused to leave the
    playground. According to Coach Sinclair, during this
    exchange, C.B. “reared up” on three different occasions from
    the bench where he was sitting. Coach Sinclair then advised
    C.B. that if he did not come inside, she would call the police.
    To this, C.B. allegedly responded by saying, “call them.”
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    C.B., however, testified that he never moved from the bench
    or said anything to Coach Sinclair during this interaction.
    Coach Sinclair testified that she made the decision to call
    the police because she was concerned about C.B.’s safety.
    She explained that her concern was based on an incident two
    years earlier, during which C.B. had stated that “he was tired
    of feeling the way he felt and he wanted to go out into traffic
    and kill himself.” Coach Sinclair was particularly concerned
    because the street outside the schoolyard was a busy
    thoroughfare. Coach Sinclair admitted, however, that C.B.
    had never previously attempted to run from her.
    At Coach Sinclair’s behest, police were called. The
    police dispatcher broadcast notice to the officers of “an out of
    control juvenile.” When Chief McIntosh arrived at the
    playground, Coach Sinclair whispered to him, “[r]unner[,]
    [n]o medicine,” and made corresponding hand signals. Chief
    McIntosh testified that he then sat down next to C.B. and
    attempted to engage him in conversation, but C.B. was
    unresponsive. He further testified that Coach Sinclair then
    “started telling [him] that [C.B.] was out of control, had not
    taken his medications, was yelling and cussing.” She also
    advised Chief McIntosh that she no longer wanted C.B. on
    the school grounds. Chief McIntosh did not ask any follow-
    up questions about C.B.’s medications or behavior. C.B.
    remained completely quiet and unresponsive throughout the
    time Chief McIntosh was with him.
    Coach Sinclair’s testimony contradicted much of Chief
    McIntosh’s account. She did not remember Chief McIntosh
    ever making any effort to engage C.B. in conversation.
    Beyond her initial statement that C.B. was a “runner” who
    had not taken his medication, she could not recall conveying
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    any other information to the police until she was subsequently
    asked whether she wanted C.B. removed from the school
    grounds, to which she said yes. Specifically, she testified that
    she did not inform the police why she thought C.B. might run,
    what medications he was on, C.B.’s history, or what had
    transpired earlier that day. C.B. recalled Coach Sinclair
    telling Chief McIntosh only that he was a “runner.”
    Within a few minutes of Chief McIntosh’s arrival, Officer
    Prock arrived. He testified that when he arrived, C.B. was
    sitting quietly, looking at the ground. Coach Sinclair also
    advised him that C.B. was a “runner,” but Officer Prock did
    not learn that C.B. had not taken his medication until much
    later. Officer Prock tried to engage C.B. in conversation, but
    he remained unresponsive.
    About three and a half minutes after Officer Prock
    arrived, Chief McIntosh signaled that Officer Prock should
    handcuff C.B. Officer Prock ordered C.B. to stand up, which
    he did immediately. He then instructed C.B. to put his hands
    behind his back—which C.B. again did immediately—and
    handcuffed him. Notwithstanding the fact that C.B. had not
    disobeyed a single police order, the officers did not explore
    alternative options for handling the situation before
    handcuffing him. When Officer Prock handcuffed C.B., C.B.
    began to cry, believing that he was being taken to jail.
    Once C.B. was handcuffed, the officers and Coach
    Sinclair escorted him off the playground. Officer Prock then
    pulled his police vehicle around and directed C.B.—still in
    handcuffs—into the back seat. C.B. complied immediately.
    During this entire time, no one spoke to C.B. or explained to
    him why he had been handcuffed, that he was not under
    arrest, or where the police were taking him. Officer Prock
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    then transported C.B. to his uncle’s business.1 Although
    Officer Prock’s vehicle was equipped with safety locks,
    making it impossible for C.B. to escape, C.B. remained
    handcuffed during the approximately thirty-minute ride to his
    uncle’s place of business. C.B. testified that the handcuffs
    caused him pain and left red marks.
    Coach Sinclair, who was also the school disciplinarian,
    testified that in the three years before this incident, she had
    summoned police to Sonora Elementary School about fifty
    times. Of those fifty times, police used handcuffs about
    twenty times, even though about thirteen of those twenty
    instances did not involve any known or suspected criminal
    activity. When Officer Prock was handcuffing C.B., Coach
    Sinclair asked whether the handcuffs were “really necessary,”
    to which one of the officers replied that it was “procedure.”2
    She further testified that she knew this was the police
    department’s procedure because, in her experience, “any time
    that the police have to take a child off of campus, whether it
    be medical, drugs, fight, the child is handcuffed.” Officer
    Prock also testified that he understood the police
    department’s policy to permit officers to handcuff any
    individual they were transporting in the back of a police
    vehicle.
    1
    According to Officer Prock, when he called the business number on
    C.B.’s emergency contact list, C.B.’s uncle advised him that C.B.’s
    parents were out of town and unreachable and that he was currently taking
    care of C.B.
    2
    At trial, Chief McIntosh and Officer Prock did not recall this exchange.
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    Following this incident, C.B. experienced a host of
    psychological and emotional problems, including difficulty
    sleeping, low self-esteem, anger, irritability, and depression.
    B.
    C.B. filed this action against the Sonora School District,
    Coach Sinclair, the City of Sonora, Sonora Chief of Police
    McIntosh, and Officer Prock, alleging violations of his Fourth
    Amendment rights, the Americans with Disabilities Act, the
    Rehabilitation Act, and a number of state law tort claims.
    C.B. settled his claims against the Sonora School District and
    Coach Sinclair. After the district court denied Defendants’
    motion for summary judgment on the basis of, inter alia,
    qualified immunity, the case proceeded to trial against the
    City of Sonora, Chief McIntosh, and Officer Prock on the
    following claims: unlawful seizure and excessive force in
    violation of the Fourth Amendment under 
    42 U.S.C. § 1983
    and false arrest and intentional infliction of emotional distress
    (“IIED”) under state law.
    On the sixth day of trial, the jury returned its first verdict,
    determining that: (1) Defendants were not liable for either
    § 1983 claim; (2) C.B. had proved that Chief McIntosh’s and
    Officer Prock’s conduct intentionally caused him emotional
    distress, and C.B. suffered harm as a result; (3) Chief
    McIntosh and Officer Prock had established privilege, an
    affirmative defense to the IIED claim; and (4) C.B. was
    entitled to damages on the IIED claim. The verdict form also
    left unanswered the verdict on the false arrest claim.
    Realizing that the verdict on the IIED claim was internally
    inconsistent, the district court proposed resubmitting the case
    to the jury with clarifying instructions. Specifically, the court
    recommended explaining to the jury that: (1) if it were to
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    find the affirmative defense of privilege, it could not award
    damages for IIED; (2) Question 11C, rather than Question
    11D, corresponded to the IIED damages; and (3) it must
    answer the question about false arrest. Counsel for both sides
    agreed.
    The court next addressed the jury, explaining that the
    verdict contained “an inconsistency” and instructing the jury
    that “[i]f you don’t find the [affirmative defense of] privilege,
    then you can award damages, but you can’t award damages
    if you find that the conduct is privileged.” The court also
    noted a typographical error on page 9 of the verdict form
    regarding where the jury was to record damages, if any, for
    IIED, and directed the jury that it needed to respond to the
    question about false arrest.3 After this instruction, the jury
    again began deliberating.
    Not long thereafter, the jury sent the judge the following
    written question:
    Clarify question 8
    if we said yes to all on page 23 of Jury
    Instruction #20 doesn’t that mean we answer
    yes to page 9 in verdicts of trial jury?
    Jury Instruction 20 set out the elements of the affirmative
    defense of privilege to the IIED claim, and Question 8 on
    page 9 on the verdict form asked for the jury’s verdict on
    whether the officers’ conduct was privileged. At a
    3
    Although the court said that it would provide corrected verdict forms,
    the final verdict form still referenced the wrong damages question in
    relation to the IIED claim.
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    conference with counsel, the court proposed answering the
    question in the affirmative. Counsel for Defendants
    requested that the court also explain again that if the jury
    were to find privilege, it must move on to the next claim and
    not award damages for IIED, which the court agreed to do.
    When the jury returned to the courtroom, the court
    described the framework for IIED claims. The court first
    explained C.B.’s case-in-chief. Then, it discussed the three
    elements of the affirmative defense of privilege, as set out in
    Jury Instruction 20, stating that “if you find yes as to all of
    those three things, in light of the elements of the intentional
    infliction of emotional distress, that is called a complete
    defense and it eliminates liability for damages.” Turning
    specifically to the jury’s question, the court further explained,
    “so your inquiry here on question number . . . 8, which is the
    affirmative defense[,] is have the defendants proved the
    things that are required to be proved on page 23, which is jury
    instruction 20, the privilege defense.” Having clarified that
    Question 8 on the verdict form corresponded to Jury
    Instruction 20, the court again discussed the relationship
    between a finding of privilege and damages. Finally, the
    court reminded the jury that it needed to answer the question
    about false arrest, and indicated that it would provide a new
    page 11 of the verdict form because of a second typographical
    error.4
    4
    Question 10, on page 11 of the verdict form, concerned probable cause,
    the affirmative defense for the false arrest claim. Earlier, C.B.’s counsel
    had advised the court that the verdict form incorrectly directed the jury to
    answer Question 11D, the damages question for false arrest, if it found
    that Defendants had proved probable cause. The court agreed that the
    instruction should have read: “‘If you answer yes as to any defendant’ –
    then it should be do not answer 11D. If you answer the question no as to
    – it should be either defendant, answer question 11D.” Consequently,
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    The jury then asked a follow-up question while it was still
    in the courtroom.
    JUROR SEAT NUMBER EIGHT: Okay. So
    the fact that we answered affirmative yes to
    questions 6 and 7.
    THE COURT: Yes.
    JUROR SEAT NUMBER EIGHT: I guess
    our question is how does that affect our
    response to number 8? Is it conflicting?
    Questions 6 and 7 asked whether C.B. had met his burden of
    proof on the elements of IIED. The jury was essentially
    asking whether it could find that C.B. proved his case-in-
    chief and still find that Defendants proved their affirmative
    defense.
    The court responded by again explaining the framework
    for IIED claims. Noting that the jury had effectively found
    that C.B. met his burden of proving liability, the court
    explained that “then the question becomes is there an award
    of damages.” The court went on: “However, under the law,
    the defendants are entitled to assert what is called an
    affirmative defense. And an affirmative defense has the legal
    effect of negating the finding of liability.” While not the
    most direct response, this statement informed the jury that it
    could, in fact, answer yes to Questions 6 and 7 and still find
    privilege. The court again set out the elements of privilege,
    after responding to the jury’s question, the court advised the jury of this
    error and indicated it would provide a corrected page 11. The final verdict
    form does, in fact, reflect the correct instruction on page 11.
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    concluding by telling the jury that “[i]f you find those things,
    then that negates, if you will, the intentional infliction of the
    emotional distress.”
    Juror Number 8, apparently still confused, asked, “[a]nd
    that is not a conflict?” To this, the court responded:
    It’s not a conflict because it’s an
    affirmative defense. It’s potentially a conflict
    depending on what you think of the conduct
    and the states of mind. But that’s for you to
    determine. In other words, you have to decide
    what -- what was being thought, what was
    observed and what was being done under the
    totality of the circumstances, recognizing
    what the law is that tells the officers what they
    can and can’t do in dealing with the plaintiff.
    Remember, this is measured objectively
    by what a reasonable officer in the position of
    the two defendants would do knowing
    everything that they knew on the scene with
    what was happening there. It’s an objective
    standard.
    And this, particularly, examines their
    conduct in light of the law, in light of what
    they knew and what they, in good faith,
    believed and what they did. And so, there is
    a potential inconsistency, but that depends on
    what you find the intentions, the states of
    mind are and the conduct is in light of the law.
    And you’re the only people who can make
    those decisions. We cannot tell you how to do
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    it. The attorneys have told you how to do it in
    their arguments, but it’s for you to make the
    ultimate decisions.
    Again, the court’s explanation, although somewhat long-
    winded, made clear that a finding of privilege was consistent
    with a finding of IIED if the facts sustained Defendants’
    assertions. Shortly after asking another question about
    privilege, the jury went home for the evening.
    The following morning, at a conference outside the jury’s
    presence, Defendants’ counsel urged the court to instruct the
    jury to resume their deliberations with Question 9. The court
    rejected the requested instruction. Instead, it proposed to
    instruct the jury “simply to re-deliberate on the questions that
    are still open.” Once the jury entered the courtroom, the
    court stated that it “wanted to review briefly where we are so
    that hopefully you understand and are clear.” The court
    instructed the jury as follows:
    [O]ur suggestion to you is that you consider
    the findings that you’ve made to the prior
    questions, you consider the evidence in light
    of the instruction that you’re being asked to
    answer when you are on the verdict form.
    And that is you have questions 6 and you
    have questions 7, which you’ve already
    answered. You’ve answered question 8. And
    then you have correct instructions on question
    number 8 as to which questions you should be
    answering in question 11. You then have a
    claim that you’ve not decided, and that is the
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    false arrest claim. And that’s question 9A and
    B. And you have a revised instruction on that.
    The court then discussed in greater detail some changes that
    were made to the instruction regarding false arrest.
    Following this supplemental instruction, the jury requested to
    receive the prior day’s instructions on privilege again,
    indicating “that’s where we’re really fighting right now.”
    At a sidebar with counsel, the court advised the parties
    that it would make “an overarching statement” to “consider[]
    the elements affirmatively and defensively on each side.”
    The court began by summarizing all of the claims, stating:
    You have four claims that are brought by
    the plaintiff. You have two civil rights
    claims. One for the use of excessive force and
    one for the use -- or the unlawful seizure in
    the taking into temporary custody and the
    length of the detention and all the
    circumstances of the detention that the
    temporary custody involved.
    Those are federal claims.
    After this brief mention of the federal claims, the court
    focused on the state law claims and affirmative defenses.
    With respect to IIED, the court stated:
    And so, in looking at the two state claims,
    you have the intentional infliction of
    emotional distress.     And then, in jury
    instruction number 20, you have the defense
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    of privilege and the elements that have to be
    proved by a preponderance of the evidence.
    So when you are considering that defense,
    you consider the totality of the circumstances.
    You consider what went in to the claims that
    you analyzed, the elements of those claims
    and all the evidence that bears on that. Then
    you analyze the elements of the defense, all
    the evidence that bears on that.
    And there should be consistency -- and
    that was your concern -- between those
    findings. The consistency is a function of
    how you find the facts, which evidence you
    believe, how much weight you give to the
    evidence.
    Then, the court went on to address false arrest.
    The jury deliberated for about four more hours before
    returning a verdict for C.B. on all claims. The district court
    denied Defendants’ motions for judgment as a matter of law,
    a new trial, and remittitur and entered judgment in favor of
    C.B.
    Defendants appeal, arguing: (1) the district court’s
    supplemental jury instructions were so coercive and
    confusing as to warrant a new trial; (2) the individual officers
    are entitled to qualified immunity with respect to C.B.’s
    § 1983 Fourth Amendment claims; (3) several of the district
    court’s evidentiary rulings were erroneous and warrant
    reversal; and (4) the district court erred in denying an offset
    against the overall damages award by the amount of C.B.’s
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    settlement with the Sonora School District. Without
    specifying the standard of review it applied, a three-judge
    panel of this court unanimously held that the district judge’s
    supplemental jury instructions and colloquy were sufficiently
    misleading as to require a new trial. C.B. v. City of Sonora,
    
    730 F.3d 816
    , 823–24 (9th Cir. 2013); see also 
    id. at 827
    (McKeown, J., dissenting) (agreeing with the majority on this
    point). In a split decision, a majority of the panel also held
    that the individual officers were entitled to qualified
    immunity. 
    Id.
     at 824–27 (Maj. Opin.); see also 
    id.
     at 827–31
    (McKeown, J., dissenting).5 Upon a majority vote of eligible
    judges, the court granted rehearing en banc. C.B. v. City of
    Sonora, 
    755 F.3d 1043
     (9th Cir. 2014).
    II. DISCUSSION
    A.
    1.
    We must first decide the standard of review that governs
    Defendants’ challenge to the district court’s jury instructions.
    Historically, we have refused to review jury instructions in a
    civil case in the absence of a timely objection under Federal
    Rule of Civil Procedure 51(c). See Voohries-Larson v.
    Cessna Aircraft Co., 
    241 F.3d 707
    , 713–14 (9th Cir. 2001);
    Larson v. Neimi, 
    9 F.3d 1397
    , 1399 (9th Cir. 1993). In 2003,
    however, Rule 51 was amended to provide for plain error
    review when a party fails to preserve an objection. Fed. R.
    Civ. P. 51 advisory committee’s note. We have since
    5
    Because the three-judge panel opinion vacated and remanded for a new
    trial, it did not reach the remainder of Defendants’ arguments. C.B.,
    730 F.3d at 824 n.4.
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    indicated, in dictum, that this amendment abrogated our prior
    case law, see Hunter v. Cnty. of Sacramento, 
    652 F.3d 1225
    ,
    1230 n.5 (9th Cir. 2011), and we now so hold. We also take
    this opportunity to clarify the scope of plain error review
    under Rule 51. We conclude that the plain error standard of
    review in the civil context is similar to, but stricter than, the
    plain error standard of review applied in criminal cases.6
    Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 51(d)(2) states that “[a]
    court may consider a plain error in the instructions that has
    not been preserved as required by Rule 51(d)(1) if the error
    affects substantial rights.” The advisory committee’s note
    explains that subsection (d)(2) was adopted to capture the
    existing rule in many of our sister circuits that errors in jury
    instructions not preserved under Rule 51(d) “may be
    reviewed in exceptional circumstances.” Fed. R. Civ. P. 51
    advisory committee’s note. Although the precise rule varied
    somewhat from circuit to circuit, most of our sister circuits at
    the time applied a standard of review that resembled the plain
    6
    Although we have previously refused to review jury instructions in the
    absence of a timely objection at trial, we have reviewed for plain error
    evidentiary, closing argument, and attorney misconduct challenges that
    were not contemporaneously raised at trial. See, e.g., Settlegoode v.
    Portland Pub. Sch., 
    371 F.3d 503
    , 516–17 (9th Cir. 2004); Hemmings v.
    Tidyman’s Inc., 
    285 F.3d 1174
    , 1193 (9th Cir. 2002); Bird v. Glacier
    Electric Coop., Inc., 
    255 F.3d 1136
    , 1148 (9th Cir. 2001); Beachy v. Boise
    Cascade Corp., 
    191 F.3d 1010
    , 1016 (9th Cir. 1999); McClaran v. Plastic
    Indus., Inc., 
    97 F.3d 347
    , 357 n.9 (9th Cir. 1996). The standard that we
    adopt now for reviewing belated objections to civil jury instructions is
    consistent with our standard for reviewing other untimely objections in
    civil cases.
    20                    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA
    error standard in criminal cases.7 Moreover, “[t]he language
    adopted to capture these decisions in subdivision (d)(2) is
    borrowed from [Federal] Rule [of Criminal Procedure] 52.”
    Fed. R. Civ. P. 51 advisory committee’s note; see also Fed.
    R. Crim. P. 52(b). Finally, the advisory committee’s note
    suggests that the plain error standard of review in the criminal
    context should inform our inquiry. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 51
    7
    Compare United States v. Olano, 
    507 U.S. 725
    , 732 (1993) (explaining
    that before a court will consider a forfeited objection in the criminal
    context, “[t]here must be an ‘error’ that is ‘plain’ and that ‘affect[s]
    substantial rights,’” and, even then, “the decision to correct the forfeited
    error [is] within the sound discretion of the court of appeals, and the court
    should not exercise that discretion unless the error ‘seriously affect[s] the
    fairness, integrity or public reputation of judicial proceedings’” (some
    alterations in original) (quoting United States v. Young, 
    470 U.S. 1
    , 15
    (1985))), with Fashion Boutique of Short Hills, Inc. v. Fendi USA, Inc.,
    
    314 F.3d 48
    , 61 (2d Cir. 2002) (explaining that in the civil context review
    is limited to “fundamental error,” which is an error that is “so serious and
    flagrant that it goes to the very integrity of the trial” (internal quotation
    marks omitted)), Babcock v. Gen. Motors Corp., 
    299 F.3d 60
    , 64–65 (1st
    Cir. 2002) (recognizing that reversal for plain error in the civil context
    requires that “(1) there be error; (2) the error was ‘plain’ (i.e.[,] obvious
    and clear under current law); (3) the error affected substantial rights; and
    (4) the error threatened a miscarriage of justice”), Cozzo v. Tangipahoa
    Parish Council–President Gov’t, 
    279 F.3d 273
    , 293–94 (5th Cir. 2002)
    (stating that to reverse for plain error in civil jury instructions, the court
    “must find an obviously incorrect statement of law that was probably
    responsible for an incorrect verdict, leading to substantial injustice”),
    Black v. M & W Gear Co., 
    269 F.3d 1220
    , 1232 (10th Cir. 2001) (“[T]his
    court will not review instructions given to which no objections were
    lodged before the jury retired for deliberation unless they are patently
    plainly erroneous and prejudicial.” (internal quotation marks omitted)),
    and Fashauer v. N.J. Transit Rail Operations, Inc., 
    57 F.3d 1269
    , 1289
    (3d Cir. 1995) (“[W]e should notice the error only if it is fundamental and
    highly prejudicial or if the instructions are such that the jury is without
    adequate guidance on a fundamental question and our failure to consider
    the error would result in a miscarriage of justice.” (internal quotation
    marks and brackets omitted)).
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                              21
    advisory committee’s note (setting forth the plain error
    standard of review in criminal cases and citing Johnson v.
    United States, 
    520 U.S. 461
    , 466–67, 469–70 (1997)).
    Yet, the advisory committee’s note accompanying the
    amended Rule 51 also cautions that “the context of civil
    litigation often differs from the context of criminal
    prosecution” and instructs that “actual application of the
    plain-error standard takes account of the differences.” 
    Id.
    After setting out the plain error standard under Federal Rule
    of Criminal Procedure 52, the advisory committee’s note
    highlights four factors to consider in applying plain error
    review in the civil context: (1) the obviousness of the
    mistake; (2) the importance of the error; (3) the costs of
    correcting an error; and (4) “[i]n a case that seems close to
    the fundamental error line, . . . the impact a verdict may have
    on nonparties.” 
    Id.
     While the first two factors roughly
    correspond to the plain error standard of review governing
    criminal cases, the latter two factors are not part of the
    standard plain error inquiry. See Puckett v. United States,
    
    556 U.S. 129
    , 135 (2009); Johnson, 
    520 U.S. at
    466–67;
    Olano, 
    507 U.S. at 732
    .
    Following the 2003 amendments, several circuits have
    reaffirmed that plain error review in the civil context is
    similar to the plain error standard governing criminal cases.8
    8
    See, e.g., Bauer v. Curators of Univ. of Mo., 
    680 F.3d 1043
    , 1045 (8th
    Cir. 2012) (relying on Olano for the plain error standard of review under
    Rule 51); Diaz-Fonseca v. Puerto Rico, 
    451 F.3d 13
    , 36 (1st Cir. 2006)
    (“To succeed under the plain error standard, defendants must show that:
    (1) an error was committed; (2) the error was plain (i.e.[,] obvious and
    clear under current law); (3) the error was prejudicial (i.e.[,] affected
    substantial rights); and (4) review is needed to prevent a miscarriage of
    justice, meaning that the error seriously impaired the fairness, integrity, or
    22                    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA
    We now join our sister circuits and hold that, when reviewing
    civil jury instructions for plain error, we must consider, as we
    do in the criminal context, whether (1) there was an error;
    (2) the error was obvious; and (3) the error affected
    substantial rights. See Johnson, 
    520 U.S. at
    466–67; Olano,
    
    507 U.S. at 732
    . The text of Federal Rule of Civil Procedure
    51(d)(2), which bears a significant resemblance to the text of
    Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 52(b), supports this
    standard. Compare Fed. R. Civ. P. 51(d)(2) (“A court may
    consider a plain error in the instructions that has not been
    preserved as required by Rule 51(d)(1) if the error affects
    substantial rights.”), with Fed. R. Crim. P. 52(b) (“A plain
    error that affects substantial rights may be considered even
    though it was not brought to the court’s attention.”).
    Moreover, the advisory committee’s note also weighs in favor
    of this standard. Fed. R. Civ. P. 51 advisory committee’s
    note; see Schiavone v. Fortune, 
    477 U.S. 21
    , 31 (1986)
    (recognizing that the advisory committee’s notes on the
    Federal Rules of Civil Procedure are “of weight” (internal
    quotation marks omitted)); United States v. Petri, 
    731 F.3d 833
    , 839 (9th Cir.) (consulting the advisory committee’s
    notes accompanying an amendment to the Federal Rules of
    Criminal Procedure in interpreting the amendment), cert.
    denied, 
    134 S. Ct. 681
     (2013).
    But we also recognize that the stakes are lower in the civil
    context and, consequently, plain errors should “encompass[]
    only those errors that reach the pinnacle of fault envisioned
    by the standard set forth above.” Hemmings, 285 F.3d at
    public reputation of judicial proceedings.” (internal quotation marks
    omitted)); Higbee v. Sentry Ins. Co., 
    440 F.3d 408
    , 409 (7th Cir. 2006)
    (“The Advisory Committee notes to the new Rule 51 make clear that we
    should be guided by the principles of plain error in the criminal context.”).
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                               23
    1193 (internal quotation marks omitted).9 Accordingly, when
    reviewing civil jury instructions for plain error, we find it
    appropriate to consider the costs of correcting an error,
    and—in borderline cases—the effect that a verdict may have
    on nonparties. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 51 advisory committee’s
    note; Schiavone, 
    477 U.S. at 31
    ; Petri, 731 F.3d at 839.
    Finally, we also hold that the decision whether to correct
    a plain error under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 51(d)(2)
    is discretionary. This conclusion flows from the permissive
    text in Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 51(d)(2). Fed. R. Civ.
    P. 51(d)(2) (“A court may consider a plain error . . . .”
    (emphasis added)); see also Conlon v. United States, 
    474 F.3d 616
    , 624–25 (9th Cir. 2007) (explaining that use of the word
    “may” in Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 36(b) suggests that
    the district court has discretion in ruling on Rule 36 motions).
    Moreover, the permissive text of Federal Rule of Civil
    Procedure 51 parallels Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure
    52(b). See Fed. R. Crim. P. 52(b) (“A plain error that affects
    substantial rights may be considered . . . .” (emphasis added)).
    It is well-established that a court of appeals has discretion to
    correct a forfeited error under Federal Rule of Criminal
    Procedure 52(b), and should do so only if the error
    “‘seriously affect[s] the fairness, integrity or public reputation
    of judicial proceedings.’” Olano, 
    507 U.S. at 732
     (quoting
    Young, 
    470 U.S. at 15
    ); see also Johnson, 
    520 U.S. at
    9
    We are not alone in recognizing that Rule 51’s plain error standard is
    stricter than its criminal counterpart. See, e.g., Quigley v. Winter,
    
    598 F.3d 938
    , 950 (8th Cir. 2010) (“Plain error is a stringently limited
    standard of review, especially in the civil context . . . .” (internal quotation
    marks omitted)); SEC v. DiBella, 
    587 F.3d 553
    , 569 (2d Cir. 2009) (noting
    that the standard of review in the civil context “is more stringent than the
    plain error standard applicable to criminal appeals under Federal Rule of
    Criminal Procedure 52(b)” (internal quotation marks omitted)).
    24                    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA
    466–67; United States v. Alferahin, 
    433 F.3d 1148
    , 1154 (9th
    Cir. 2006). Furthermore, a number of our sister circuits agree
    that the decision to correct a plain error under Federal Rule of
    Civil Procedure 51(d)(2) is discretionary.10 We therefore
    conclude that we should exercise our discretion to correct
    errors under Rule 51(d)(2) only if “review is needed to
    prevent a miscarriage of justice, meaning that the error
    seriously impaired the fairness, integrity, or public reputation
    of judicial proceedings.” Diaz-Fonseca, 
    451 F.3d at 36
    (internal quotation marks omitted); see also Olano, 
    507 U.S. at 732
    .
    2.
    With these principles in mind, we turn to the particulars
    of this case.11 Defendants argue that the judgment on the
    10
    See Jimenez v. Wood Cnty., 
    660 F.3d 841
    , 845 (5th Cir. 2011) (en
    banc) (explaining that the court has discretion to correct an unpreserved
    error if it meets the plain error standard); Higbee, 
    440 F.3d at 409
    (recognizing that plain error review is discretionary); Franklin
    Prescriptions, Inc. v. N.Y. Times Co., 
    424 F.3d 336
    , 341 (3d Cir. 2005)
    (“Plain error review is discretionary—it should be exercised sparingly and
    should only be invoked with extreme caution in the civil context.”
    (internal quotation marks omitted)).
    11
    Defendants contend that plain error review should not govern this case
    because (1) they lacked the opportunity to object to the district court’s
    extemporaneous instructions, (2) their request that the district court direct
    the jury to begin re-deliberating with the question regarding false arrest
    served as adequate notice to the court of the nature of their objection, and
    (3) C.B. waived any argument that Defendants did not preserve their
    objections to the jury instructions by failing to raise it before the district
    court.
    We reject these arguments. First, Defendants are correct that C.B.
    failed to argue, in opposition to Defendants’ Motion for a New Trial, that
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                              25
    verdict should be reversed because the supplemental jury
    instructions were confusing and coerced the jury to reverse its
    initial verdict. C.B. contends that the district court’s
    supplemental instructions were accurate and that nothing the
    court said misled or influenced the jury to revise its findings
    as to the other claims. We conclude that the district court’s
    supplemental jury instructions fall far short of plain error.
    Defendants identify four errors in the district court’s
    supplemental instructions. First, they contend that the court
    confused the jury by referring to the initial verdict as
    “inconsistent” without explaining what it meant by that term.
    The record belies this argument. In the course of telling the
    jury that the verdict contained “an inconsistency,” the court
    explained that “[i]f you don’t find . . . privilege, then you can
    award damages, but you can’t award damages if you find that
    the conduct is privileged.”
    Defendants did not preserve their objections to the district court’s
    supplemental jury instructions. However, we may consider C.B.’s
    argument nonetheless because it raises a purely legal question and
    Defendants have offered no reason why C.B.’s failure to raise this
    argument in his post-trial briefs has prejudiced them. See Zhang v. Am.
    Gem Seafoods, Inc., 
    339 F.3d 1020
    , 1035 (9th Cir. 2003). Second,
    Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 51(c)(2) provides that an objection to a
    jury instruction is timely if a party was not informed of an instruction in
    advance, and the party objects promptly after the instruction has been
    given. Defendants therefore could have objected to the supplemental
    instructions after they were given, but they failed to do so. Finally,
    Defendants’ request that the jury be instructed to begin deliberating with
    the question on false arrest, falls far short of Rule 51(c)(1)’s requirement
    that a litigant “stat[e] distinctly the matter objected to and the grounds for
    the objection.” Fed. R. Civ. P. 51(c)(1); see also Hunter, 
    652 F.3d at 1231
    (recognizing that “‘objections to a charge must be sufficiently specific to
    bring into focus the precise nature of the alleged error’” (quoting Palmer
    v. Hoffman, 
    318 U.S. 109
    , 119 (1943))).
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    Second, Defendants argue that the district court’s
    response to the jury’s request for clarification was confusing
    and coercive because it fell “far outside the scope of the
    jury’s” question. The jury initially asked whether it should
    answer yes to Question 8 on the verdict form, the question
    about privilege, if it found that all of the elements of privilege
    as set out in Jury Instruction 20, were present. This question
    could have been answered with a simple “yes.” Defendants,
    however, asked the court to provide a more complete
    explanation of the relationship between a finding of privilege
    and an award of damages. At Defendants’ own request then,
    the court responded to the jury’s question with an overview
    of the IIED claim. Moreover, in giving this instruction, the
    court answered the jury’s specific question, stating, “[a]nd so
    your inquiry here on question number . . . 8, which is the
    affirmative defense[,] is have the defendants proved the
    things that are required to be proved on page 23, which is jury
    instruction 20, the privilege defense.” A district court has
    “wide discretion” in responding to jury questions, Arizona v.
    Johnson, 
    351 F.3d 988
    , 994 (9th Cir. 2003), and the
    explanation here was well within the court’s discretion.
    Although Defendants complain that the court “went on for an
    additional 8 pages of transcript,” the only other statements
    that the court volunteered were a reminder that the jury also
    had to answer the question about false arrest and that the jury
    would be given a corrected verdict form. All other
    instructions were in response to follow-up questions posed by
    the jury.
    Third, Defendants argue that the supplemental
    instructions given in response to the follow-up questions were
    confusing because they told the jury to consider the “totality
    of the circumstances”—a phrase that appears in the court’s
    instruction on probable cause—in determining whether the
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                     27
    individual officers’ conduct was privileged. We find no error
    in this statement. This instruction did nothing more than
    admonish the jury to consider all of the facts that bear on the
    question of privilege. The court’s use of the phrase “totality
    of the circumstances” was tailored to the supplemental
    instructions and was not a veiled suggestion to revisit the
    Fourth Amendment claims.
    Finally, Defendants argue that the court’s instruction that
    certain findings should be consistent erroneously implied that
    the jury must return a verdict uniformly in favor of one party.
    We conclude that the court’s instructions did no such thing;
    the court’s comment about “consistency” was clearly tethered
    to its discussion of the state IIED claim. On the final day of
    deliberations, the court provided the jury with a brief
    overview of the “two civil rights claims,” but concluded its
    discussion of those claims by stating:
    Those are federal claims.
    Then you have two claims, the third and
    the fourth claims. One is for intentional
    infliction of emotional distress and the other
    is for false arrest. . . .
    And so as to the two state law claims, the
    defendants assert what are called affirmative
    defenses.
    After providing this framework for the state law claims, the
    court directed the jury’s attention to the IIED claim,
    explaining:
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    And so, in looking at the two state claims,
    you have the intentional infliction of
    emotional distress.     And then, in jury
    instruction number 20, you have the defense
    of privilege and the elements that have to be
    proved by a preponderance of the evidence.
    So when you are considering that defense,
    you consider the totality of the circumstances.
    You consider what went in to the claims that
    you analyzed, the elements of those claims
    and all the evidence that bears on that. Then
    you analyze the elements of the defense, all
    the evidence that bears on that.
    And there should be consistency -- and
    that was your concern -- between those
    findings. The consistency is a function of
    how you find the facts, which evidence you
    believe, how much weight you give to the
    evidence.
    In this context, the court’s reference to “consistency” could
    mean only that the jury’s factual findings had to be internally
    consistent and reconcilable with its ultimate conclusion as to
    the IIED claim and the privilege defense. The court’s
    statement may not be a model of clarity, but we are confident
    that no reasonable jury could have understood it as a direction
    to return a verdict wholly in favor of one party.
    In sum, Defendants have not identified any error in the
    district court’s supplemental jury instructions, let alone a
    plain error.
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                     29
    B.
    Defendants also challenge several of the district court’s
    evidentiary rulings. We review a district court’s evidentiary
    rulings for abuse of discretion. Gribben v. United Parcel
    Serv., Inc., 
    528 F.3d 1166
    , 1171 (9th Cir. 2008). We will
    reverse on the basis of an erroneous evidentiary ruling only
    if the error was prejudicial. Harper v. City of L.A., 
    533 F.3d 1010
    , 1030 (9th Cir. 2008); Tritchler v. Cnty. of Lake,
    
    358 F.3d 1150
    , 1155 (9th Cir. 2004). Here, the district court
    did not abuse its discretion in excluding testimony that Coach
    Sinclair thought that C.B. might be suicidal and in allowing
    testimony about past incidents in which police had used
    handcuffs at Sonora Elementary School.
    It is undisputed that Coach Sinclair did not, at any point,
    tell the officers that she thought C.B. might be suicidal, nor
    did the officers otherwise learn that information. The district
    court correctly reasoned that testimony that Coach Sinclair
    thought C.B. might be suicidal was irrelevant; information
    that the officers did not know could not justify their decision
    to seize C.B. See Moreno v. Baca, 
    431 F.3d 633
    , 640 (9th
    Cir. 2005) (recognizing that an outstanding arrest warrant for
    the plaintiff could not be used to justify his arrest where the
    arresting officers had no knowledge of the warrant).
    Moreover, the court stated that if Coach Sinclair’s motive for
    calling the police was questioned, she would be able to testify
    about the incident in which C.B. told her he wanted to run out
    into traffic. The court, however, concluded that the
    prejudicial effect of testimony characterizing C.B. as
    “suicidal” outweighed any probative value such testimony
    might have. Where “[t]he record reflects that the court
    conscientiously weighed the probative value against the
    prejudicial effect for each piece of evidence,” we will not
    30                C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA
    reverse. Boyd v. City & Cnty. of S.F., 
    576 F.3d 938
    , 949 (9th
    Cir. 2009).
    The district court also did not abuse its discretion in
    allowing Coach Sinclair to testify about past incidents of
    handcuffing at Sonora Elementary School. To prove his
    Fourth Amendment claim against the City of Sonora, C.B.
    had to prove that the city maintained an unlawful custom or
    practice that was a cause of his constitutional injury. See
    Fairley v. Luman, 
    281 F.3d 913
    , 916 (9th Cir. 2002) (per
    curiam) (citing Monell v. Dep’t of Soc. Servs., 
    436 U.S. 658
    ,
    690–91 (1978)). Here, C.B. sought to do just that by
    introducing testimony from Coach Sinclair that the Sonora
    Police Department, as a matter of routine procedure,
    employed handcuffs any time it removed an elementary
    school child from school grounds. “We have long recognized
    that a custom or practice can be inferred from widespread
    practices or evidence of repeated constitutional violations for
    which the errant municipal officers were not discharged or
    reprimanded.” Hunter, 
    652 F.3d at 1233
     (internal quotation
    marks omitted)); see also Menotti v. City of Seattle, 
    409 F.3d 1113
    , 1147–48 (9th Cir. 2005) (holding that testimony from
    individuals whom officers prohibited from wearing anti-WTO
    buttons created a genuine issue of material fact as to whether
    Seattle had an unconstitutional policy of restricting only anti-
    WTO speech).         The district court properly rejected
    Defendants’ contention that Coach Sinclair’s testimony about
    prior incidents of handcuffing at Sonora Elementary School
    was irrelevant. Nor can Defendants protest that the evidence
    was unduly prejudicial because it created an inference of an
    unlawful municipal custom or policy; that was the very
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                           31
    purpose of the evidence. Because the district court’s
    evidentiary rulings were not an abuse of discretion, we will
    not reverse the judgment on this basis.
    C.
    Next we turn to Chief McIntosh’s and Officer Prock’s
    qualified immunity arguments. We review de novo a district
    court’s qualified immunity order denying judgment as a
    matter of law. LaLonde v. Cnty. of Riverside, 
    204 F.3d 947
    ,
    958–59 (9th Cir. 2000); see also A.D. v. Cal. Highway Patrol,
    
    712 F.3d 446
    , 453 (9th Cir.), cert. denied, 
    134 S. Ct. 531
    (2013).12 In doing so, we “view all evidence in the light most
    favorable to the nonmoving party, draw all reasonable
    inferences in favor of the non-mover, and disregard all
    evidence favorable to the moving party that the jury is not
    required to believe.” Harper, 
    533 F.3d at 1021
    . To
    determine whether an individual officer is entitled to
    qualified immunity, we ask (1) whether the official violated
    a constitutional right and (2) whether the constitutional right
    was clearly established. Pearson v. Callahan, 
    555 U.S. 223
    ,
    232, 236 (2009); A.D., 712 F.3d at 453–54.
    12
    C.B. argues that Chief McIntosh and Officer Prock waived their
    Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 50(b) qualified immunity argument
    because they failed to make a timely Rule 50(a) motion. Because C.B.
    failed to raise this argument below, it is waived. See Graves v. City of
    Coeur D’Alene, 
    339 F.3d 828
    , 838–39 (9th Cir. 2003) (holding that when
    a party does not raise its opponent’s failure to abide by Rule 50(a) in
    district court, on appeal, the procedural flaw in the Rule 50(b) motion is
    waived), abrogated on other grounds by Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial Dist.
    Court, 
    542 U.S. 177
     (2004).
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    1.13
    a.
    C.B. argues that his seizure violated the Fourth
    Amendment because the officers lacked probable cause to
    arrest him. The Fourth Amendment provides: “The right of
    the people to be secure in their persons . . . against
    unreasonable searches and seizures[] shall not be violated
    . . . .” As a general principle, “Fourth Amendment seizures
    are reasonable only if based on probable cause to believe that
    the individual has committed a crime.” Bailey v. United
    States, 
    133 S. Ct. 1031
    , 1037 (2013) (internal quotation
    marks omitted). The Supreme Court has recognized a narrow
    exception to the Fourth Amendment’s probable cause
    requirement “when special needs, beyond the normal need for
    law enforcement, make the . . . requirement impracticable.”
    Vernonia Sch. Dist. 47J v. Acton, 
    515 U.S. 646
    , 653 (1995)
    (internal quotation marks omitted).
    In New Jersey v. T.L.O., the Court first recognized that
    “[t]he school setting . . . requires some modification of the
    level of suspicion of illicit activity needed to justify a search.”
    
    469 U.S. 325
    , 340 (1985). Acknowledging that the “privacy
    interests of school children” must be balanced against the
    “substantial need of teachers and administrators for freedom
    to maintain order in the schools,” the Court held that, in the
    school setting, a search by teachers or school officials need
    only be reasonable under all the circumstances. 
    Id. at 341
    .
    It explained the reasonableness inquiry as follows:
    13
    Part II.C.1, in which Judge Silverman joins, is Judge Paez’s dissent
    from the majority’s holding that Chief McIntosh and Officer Prock are
    entitled to qualified immunity on C.B.’s Fourth Amendment seizure claim.
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                   33
    Determining the reasonableness of any search
    involves a twofold inquiry: first, one must
    consider whether the . . . action was justified
    at its inception; second, one must determine
    whether the search as actually conducted was
    reasonably related in scope to the
    circumstances which justified the interference
    in the first place.          Under ordinary
    circumstances, a search of a student by a
    teacher or other school official will be
    justified at its inception when there are
    reasonable grounds for suspecting that the
    search will turn up evidence that the student
    has violated or is violating either the law or
    the rules of the school. Such a search will be
    permissible in its scope when the measures
    adopted are reasonably related to the
    objectives of the search and not excessively
    intrusive in light of the age and sex of the
    student and the nature of the infraction.
    
    Id.
     at 341–42 (internal quotation marks, citations, and
    footnotes omitted). We, and several of our sister circuits,
    have extended T.L.O. to seizures of students by school
    officials. Doe ex rel. Doe v. Haw. Dep’t of Educ., 
    334 F.3d 906
    , 909 (9th Cir. 2003); see also Wallace ex rel. Wallace v.
    Batavia Sch. Dist. 101, 
    68 F.3d 1010
    , 1012–14 (7th Cir.
    1995); Hassan ex rel. Hassan v. Lubbock Indep. Sch. Dist.,
    
    55 F.3d 1075
    , 1079–80 (5th Cir. 1995); Edwards ex rel.
    Edwards v. Rees, 
    883 F.2d 882
    , 884 (10th Cir. 1989).
    T.L.O. is distinguishable from this case in a critical
    respect:     T.L.O. involved the conduct of school
    administrators, not law enforcement officers. 
    469 U.S. at
    34                   C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA
    328.     We have not yet decided whether T.L.O.’s
    reasonableness standard or, instead, traditional Fourth
    Amendment rules apply to law enforcement searches and
    seizures in school settings, and there is no need to do so
    today.14 At the time of the incident, at least two of our sister
    circuits had held that T.L.O.’s reasonableness standard
    governs law enforcement conduct concerning school-related
    incidents in school settings. See Gray ex rel. Alexander v.
    Bostic, 
    458 F.3d 1295
    , 1304 (11th Cir. 2006) (applying
    T.L.O. in analyzing an unlawful seizure claim against deputy
    at an elementary school); Shade v. City of Farmington,
    
    309 F.3d 1054
    , 1060–61 (8th Cir. 2002) (applying T.L.O. to
    evaluate the legality of a search conducted by law
    enforcement officers in conjunction with school officials).
    Consequently, at the time of this incident, an officer could
    have reasonably believed that T.L.O. governed law
    enforcement searches and seizures on school grounds for
    school-related purposes.
    Nonetheless, applying T.L.O.’s reasonableness standard
    does not aid Chief McIntosh and Officer Prock. Taking the
    facts in the light most favorable to C.B., see Harper, 
    533 F.3d 14
    As to law enforcement searches and seizures that pursue law
    enforcement objectives, we held in Greene v. Camreta that the “special
    needs” doctrine did not apply to seizures on school grounds in which “law
    enforcement personnel and purposes were . . . deeply involved.” 
    588 F.3d 1011
    , 1026–27 (9th Cir. 2009). The Supreme Court vacated that holding
    as moot, but did not disapprove our reasoning. Camreta v. Greene, 
    131 S. Ct. 2020
    , 2026–27 (2011); see also Jones v. Hunt, 
    410 F.3d 1221
    , 1228
    (10th Cir. 2005) (holding that because a seizure by a deputy sheriff on
    school grounds “does not involve efforts by school administrators to
    preserve order on school property, it does not implicate the policy
    concerns addressed in T.L.O. and therefore does not merit application of
    the T.L.O. standard,” but declining to specify which Fourth Amendment
    standard does apply).
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                           35
    at 1021, the officers knew only the following when they
    decided to handcuff C.B. and remove him from school
    grounds: (1) the school had reported an “out of control”
    juvenile; (2) C.B. was a “runner”—whatever that may
    mean—who had not taken some unknown medication;
    (3) C.B. sat quietly looking at the ground and never made any
    movements the whole time police were present; (4) C.B. was
    unresponsive in the three and a half minutes during which
    Officer Prock tried to engage with him; and (5) Coach
    Sinclair wanted C.B. removed from the school grounds.
    The officers acted reasonably at the outset by seeking to
    engage with C.B. to investigate the dispatch that they had
    received about an “out of control” minor. What they found,
    though, was a quiet but nonresponsive child. During the
    entire time police were present, the child did nothing
    threatening or disobedient. Although Coach Sinclair
    mentioned that C.B. was a “runner” who had not taken his
    medication, the officers did not ask a single follow-up
    question to learn what Coach Sinclair meant and never
    inquired what had prompted the dispatch. Nor did they
    consider any less intrusive solutions, such as ordering C.B. to
    return inside the school building, or asking a guardian to pick
    up the child.15 See T.L.O., 
    469 U.S. at 342
     (explaining that a
    search must not be “excessively intrusive in light of . . . the
    nature of the infraction”). When viewed in relation to these
    15
    In fact, C.B.’s uncle testified that Officer Prock reached him on the
    telephone, and informed him that “the school had called the police
    department out and [C.B.] could be picked up or needed to be transported
    to our business.” C.B.’s uncle responded, “Well, I would normally pick
    him up,” to which the officer replied, “Well, we’ve already got him in the
    car and we’d like to bring him to you. We want to bring him to your place
    of business.” C.B.’s uncle recalled “agree[ing] to that, wanting to comply
    with the police department.”
    36                    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA
    circumstances, the officers’ decision to seize C.B. and
    remove him from school grounds was not reasonable.
    Judge Gould contends that this approach overlooks
    T.L.O.’s instruction that a school official’s judgment about
    the rules necessary to maintain school order is entitled to
    deference. Gould Concurrence at 64–65. No one seriously
    questions that principle. Coach Sinclair and other school
    officials set the rules that govern student behavior, and they
    may require students to obey their instructions, to take their
    prescribed medications, to not run away, and so on. The
    adoption of such rules “presumably reflects a judgment on the
    part of school officials that such conduct is destructive of
    school order or of a proper educational environment.” T.L.O.,
    
    469 U.S. at
    343 n.9. “Absent any suggestion that the rule
    violates some substantive constitutional guarantee,” we will
    defer to the school officials’ judgment that the rule furthers
    school order. 
    Id.
     Coach Sinclair’s statement—“[r]unner[,]
    [n]o medicine”—was so vague, however, that it failed to
    establish that C.B. was even suspected of violating any school
    rule.16
    That detail notwithstanding, at issue here is the
    reasonableness of the response to a purported violation of a
    school rule, not the reasonableness of the rule. Judge Gould
    would defer to Coach Sinclair’s determination that C.B.
    16
    This does not mean that police officers cannot rely on school officials’
    statements. School officials undoubtedly possess valuable information
    that would assist police in determining the proper course of action in many
    cases. But where the school official offers only cursory and ambiguous
    statements that do not explain what happened and the officers do not
    observe any behavior that might shed light on what happened, it is
    unreasonable for the officers to simply presume a safety threat warranting
    seizure and removal from school grounds.
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                           37
    should be removed from campus. Gould Concurrence at
    65–66. But T.L.O. does not mandate any deference to a
    school official’s judgment about the appropriate response to
    a rule violation.17 Instead, T.L.O. requires assessing the
    reasonableness of the school official’s search or seizure in
    response to a rule violation by asking whether it was justified
    at its inception and whether it was reasonably related in scope
    to the circumstances that justified the initial intervention.
    
    469 U.S. at 341
    . There is no question that if Coach Sinclair
    had removed C.B. from school grounds, our decision would
    not be based on any deference to her belief that such a seizure
    was appropriate. If the scope of a school official’s search or
    seizure is not entitled to any deference, then surely, the same
    search or seizure carried out by a police officer at the behest
    of that school official must, at minimum, be subject to the
    same standards; that is, the scope of the ultimate search or
    seizure must be justified by objective circumstances, not a
    school official’s judgment about the proper course of action.
    Just because Coach Sinclair wanted C.B. removed from
    school grounds cannot ipso facto make such a seizure
    reasonable.18 To suggest otherwise is to eviscerate T.L.O.’s
    17
    Deferring to a school official’s judgment that C.B. should be removed
    from school grounds is not the kind of “‘common-sense conclusion’ that
    T.L.O. was intended to permit.” Gould Concurrence at 66 (quoting T.L.O.,
    
    469 U.S. at 346
    ). T.L.O. was referring to the reasonable conclusion that
    a suspected smoker might be stowing cigarettes in her purse. 
    469 U.S. at 346
    . No additional facts were necessary to justify searching the purse
    because common sense suggested that the purse was a natural place to
    check. The parallel between that scenario and this one is illusive at best.
    18
    Judge Gould characterizes Coach Sinclair’s request as “facially
    reasonable.” Gould Concurrence at 65. Yet her request was
    unaccompanied by any meaningful explanation of what C.B. had done to
    prompt calling the police, and C.B. remained calm and quiet during the
    entire time police were present. If these circumstances render a request to
    38                   C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA
    requirement that a search or seizure be “reasonably related in
    scope to the circumstances,” 
    id.,
     and effectively to insulate
    searches and seizures sanctioned by school officials from any
    review.
    Judge Gould also suggests that the need to act quickly
    prevented the officers from learning more.           Gould
    Concurrence at 65–66. Certainly, in some circumstances, the
    need to respond swiftly trumps the need to obtain more
    information. But here, C.B. was calm, surrounded by
    multiple adults, and, by Chief McIntosh’s own
    characterization, “[n]ot likely” to run away. Nothing about
    the situation demanded an immediate response. Under these
    circumstances, the officers could have, and should have,
    asked some simple follow-up questions that would have
    enabled them to determine an appropriate response.
    Nor does this position require police officers to engage in
    an “uncabined investigation” before responding to unfolding
    events, as the majority intimates. M. Smith Opin. at 57. This
    approach only requires police officers to act reasonably under
    the circumstances. The standard is a familiar one, see Terry
    v. Ohio, 
    392 U.S. 1
    , 21 (1968), and local police officers are
    quite capable of applying it in the real world.19 There is
    nothing remarkable about concluding that, in some
    circumstances, reasonableness requires asking a follow-up
    question to assess the circumstances before initiating a
    seizure.
    remove a child from school grounds “facially reasonable,” what must
    transpire before a request would be labeled facially unreasonable?
    19
    T.L.O.’s standard is based on Terry’s reasonable suspicion standard.
    See T.L.O., 
    469 U.S. at 341
    .
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                     39
    In sum, taking the evidence in the light most favorable to
    C.B., a reasonable jury could conclude that Chief McIntosh
    and Officer Prock violated C.B.’s Fourth Amendment rights
    when they seized him and took him into custody.
    b.
    We next consider whether it was clearly established on
    September 28, 2009, that removing C.B. from school grounds
    was a violation of the Fourth Amendment. “For a
    constitutional right to be clearly established, its contours must
    be sufficiently clear that a reasonable official would
    understand that what he is doing violates that right.” Hope v.
    Pelzer, 
    536 U.S. 730
    , 739 (2002) (internal quotation marks
    omitted). “This is not to say that an official action is
    protected by qualified immunity unless the very action in
    question has previously been held unlawful,” Wilson v.
    Layne, 
    526 U.S. 603
    , 615 (1999) (internal quotation marks
    omitted); indeed, “officials can still be on notice that their
    conduct violates established law even in novel factual
    circumstances,” Hope, 
    536 U.S. at 741
    . We should be
    “particularly mindful of this principle in the context of Fourth
    Amendment cases, where the constitutional standard—
    reasonableness—is always a very fact-specific inquiry.”
    Mattos v. Agarano, 
    661 F.3d 433
    , 442 (9th Cir. 2011) (en
    banc). However, where there is no case directly on point,
    “existing precedent must have placed the statutory or
    constitutional question beyond debate.” Ashcroft v. al-Kidd,
    
    131 S. Ct. 2074
    , 2083 (2011).
    At the time of C.B.’s seizure, the law was clearly
    established that, at a minimum, police seizures at the behest
    of school officials had to be reasonable in light of the
    circumstances and not excessively intrusive. See, e.g.,
    40                    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA
    T.L.O., 
    469 U.S. at
    341–42; Doe, 
    334 F.3d at 909
    ; Gray,
    
    458 F.3d at 1304
    ; Jones, 
    410 F.3d at 1228
    ; Shade, 
    309 F.3d at
    1060–61. Although the application of this constitutional
    principle may not be clear in certain circumstances, see
    Safford Unified Sch. Dist. No. 1 v. Redding, 
    557 U.S. 364
    ,
    378–79 (2009), this “general constitutional rule . . . may
    [still] apply with obvious clarity to the specific conduct in
    question, even though ‘the very action in question has [not]
    previously been held unlawful,’” United States v. Lanier,
    
    520 U.S. 259
    , 271 (1997) (alteration in original) (quoting
    Anderson v. Creighton, 
    483 U.S. 635
    , 640 (1987)).
    This is such a case. The removal from school grounds of
    a compliant and calm 11-year-old child—a decision that was
    made sans any police investigation, without any knowledge
    of disobedience, and after only minutes on the scene—is an
    obvious violation of the constitutional principle that the
    nature of the seizure of a schoolchild must be justified by the
    circumstances. Even without on-point case law, it is beyond
    dispute that police officers cannot seize a schoolchild who
    they do not know to have committed any wrongdoing, who
    does not appear to pose any threat to himself or others, and
    who engages in no act of resistance the entire time the
    officers are present.20
    20
    The Supreme Court’s holding in Safford that a school official’s
    decision to strip search a middle school child suspected of bringing drugs
    to school, without any suspicion that the child was hiding the drugs in her
    underwear, was not an obvious violation of clearly established law, see
    
    557 U.S. at
    377–79, does not warrant a contrary outcome. In Safford, the
    Court indicated that, in novel circumstances, T.L.O.’s general standards
    will rarely make obvious the boundaries of a constitutional search. See 
    id.
    But this is not a case that turns on the boundaries of a reasonable search
    or seizure in light of the circumstances. See Gray, 
    458 F.3d at 1305, 1307
    (explaining that handcuffing for at least five minutes a 9-year-old who did
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    Chief McIntosh and Officer Prock do not argue that
    T.L.O. justified seizing C.B. In fact, they argue that they are
    entitled to qualified immunity only because they reasonably,
    even if mistakenly, believed they had “reasonable cause”21 to
    take C.B. into custody pursuant to California Welfare &
    Institutions Code sections 601(a) and 625(a). An officer who
    reasonably but mistakenly believes that his actions are
    warranted under state law may be entitled to qualified
    immunity. Ctr. for Bio-Ethical Reform, Inc. v. L.A. Cnty.
    Sheriff Dep’t, 
    533 F.3d 780
    , 791–93 (9th Cir. 2008);
    Grossman v. City of Portland, 
    33 F.3d 1200
    , 1209 (9th Cir.
    1994). California Welfare & Institutions Code section 601(a)
    provides:
    Any person under the age of 18 years who
    persistently or habitually refuses to obey the
    reasonable and proper orders or directions of
    his or her parents, guardian, or custodian, or
    who is beyond the control of that person . . . is
    within the jurisdiction of the juvenile court
    which may adjudge the minor to be a ward of
    the court.
    not pose a threat to anyone was “well beyond the hazy border that
    sometimes separates lawful conduct from unlawful conduct” (internal
    quotation marks omitted)). Rather, this case involves a scenario where,
    on the facts known to the officers, there was simply no basis for any kind
    of seizure. At the very least, T.L.O. makes obvious that there must be
    some basis for a search or seizure of any scope.
    21
    Defendants expend a great deal of energy arguing about the
    difference between “reasonable cause” as used in the California Welfare
    & Institutions Code and the traditional concept of “probable cause.” If
    there is a difference between the standards, this case does not turn on it.
    42                 C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA
    Section 625(a) provides that “[a] peace officer may, without
    a warrant, take into temporary custody a minor . . . [w]ho is
    under the age of 18 years when such officer has reasonable
    cause for believing that such minor is a person described in
    Section 601.”
    Chief McIntosh and Officer Prock contend that they
    reasonably thought that C.B. was “beyond the control” of the
    relevant school officials, who they understood to be the
    custodians of C.B. during school hours. However, taking the
    facts in the light most favorable to the nonmoving party, no
    reasonable officer could have thought that C.B. was “beyond
    the control” of anyone. California case law makes clear that
    “by itself, a single act in violation of parental authority is
    ordinarily insufficient to establish that the minor is beyond
    parental control.” McIsaac v. Bettye K. (In re Bettye K.),
    
    285 Cal. Rptr. 633
    , 636 (Ct. App. 1991). In In re Henry G.,
    the California Court of Appeal found insufficient evidence
    that Henry G. was beyond the control of his mother where he
    did not tell her where he was going, stayed out until 3 a.m.,
    and struck her when she attempted to physically stop him
    from leaving the house. Kirkpatrick v. Henry G. (In re Henry
    G.), 
    104 Cal. Rptr. 585
    , 587, 589–90 (Ct. App. 1972).
    Similarly, in In re D.J.B., the court explained that a single act
    may show that a minor is beyond control only when it is
    sufficiently serious, and the court held that a single instance
    of leaving home without parental consent did not rise to such
    a level. Bayes v. D.J.B. (In re D.J.B.), 
    96 Cal. Rptr. 146
    , 149
    (Ct. App. 1971). Cases in which a single instance of defiance
    was sufficient to find that a minor was beyond the control of
    a parent involved an extraordinarily serious act of defiance.
    See Bayes v. David S. (In re David S.), 
    91 Cal. Rptr. 261
    , 263
    (Ct. App. 1970) (holding that a minor who had told his
    mother he would be spending the weekend with friends about
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                    43
    40 miles from home but who was actually found about 600
    miles away from home attempting to cross the border into
    Mexico was beyond the control of his parents); see also In re
    Bettye K., 285 Cal. Rptr. at 636–37.
    Here, when viewed in the light most favorable to C.B., the
    officers did not know of even a single instance of
    disobedience, much less one serious enough to trigger
    sections 601(a) and 625(a). C.B. did not take his medicine,
    but the officers had no basis to conclude that he had refused
    to do so and did not know what kind of medication it was.
    C.B. was purportedly a “runner,” but the officers had no
    information that he had actually attempted to run from
    anyone that day. During the brief period before the officers
    decided to handcuff him, C.B. did not disobey any of their
    orders. And, as soon as they initiated the process of
    handcuffing and removing him from the school grounds, C.B.
    complied with all of their instructions. In sum, the officers
    knew of no defiant act by C.B.; any belief that C.B. was
    beyond the school’s control was not reasonable because it
    lacked any basis in fact. Moreover, even assuming it was
    reasonable to believe that C.B. had earlier defied a school
    official by refusing medicine and running, it was apparent
    that C.B. had not run off school grounds and was, instead,
    sitting calmly in the school playground. Such a singular
    instance of disobedience does not even come close to
    satisfying the statutory requirement that the minor be
    “beyond the control” of his custodian. See In re Bettye K.,
    285 Cal. Rptr. at 636–37; In re Henry G., 104 Cal. Rptr. at
    587, 589–90; In re D.J.B., 96 Cal. Rptr. at 149; In re David
    S., 91 Cal. Rptr. at 263. An officer who enforces a state
    statute “in a manner which a reasonable officer would
    recognize exceeds the bounds of the [statute] will not be
    entitled to immunity even if there is no clear case law
    44                    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA
    declaring the [statute] or the officer’s particular conduct
    unconstitutional.” Grossman, 
    33 F.3d at 1210
    .22
    Chief McIntosh and Officer Prock argue that their belief
    that sections 601(a) and 625(a) applied in this instance was
    reasonable because Coach Sinclair allegedly told Chief
    McIntosh that C.B. was “out of control,” “would run off
    campus,” and was “yelling and cussing.”23 Whatever the
    merits of the argument that a reasonable officer might have
    believed that sections 601(a) and 625(a) justified taking a
    child into custody in light of these additional facts, that is not
    the scenario presented here. Neither Coach Sinclair nor
    C.B.—the other witnesses present during this purported
    exchange—recalls Coach Sinclair making these statements.
    Although it is possible that C.B.’s and Coach Sinclair’s
    recollections are incomplete, when taking the facts in the
    light most favorable to C.B., see Harper, 
    533 F.3d at 1021
    , it
    must be assumed that it is Chief McIntosh’s account that is
    inaccurate.24
    Based on the foregoing, Chief McIntosh and Officer
    Prock are not, in my view, entitled to qualified immunity with
    respect to C.B.’s unlawful seizure claim.
    22
    Because C.B.’s conduct could not possibly satisfy the “beyond the
    control” prong of the statute, there is no need to consider whether the term
    “custodian” as used in section 601(a) includes school authorities.
    23
    Notably, neither the officers nor Coach Sinclair ever testified that
    Coach Sinclair told Chief McIntosh that C.B. would “run off campus.”
    24
    Accordingly, there is no need to decide whether, under the version of
    events most favorable to the officers, Chief McIntosh and Officer Prock
    were justified in seizing C.B. pursuant to sections 601(a) and 625(a),
    although that is a dubious proposition.
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                   45
    2.
    a.
    C.B. also argues that the officers used excessive force in
    violation of the Fourth Amendment when, upon removing
    him from school grounds, they handcuffed C.B. for twenty-
    five to thirty minutes. The Fourth Amendment guarantees the
    right to be free from an arrest effectuated through excessive
    force. Graham v. Connor, 
    490 U.S. 386
    , 394–95 (1989);
    Wall v. Cnty. of Orange, 
    364 F.3d 1107
    , 1112 (9th Cir. 2004).
    C.B. argues that the officers’ conduct was unreasonable under
    the test set out in Graham. Under Graham, whether the
    amount of force employed was excessive depends on “the
    facts and circumstances of each particular case, including the
    severity of the crime at issue, whether the suspect poses an
    immediate threat to he safety of the officers or others, and
    whether he is actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade
    arrest by flight.” 
    490 U.S. at 396
    .
    We have previously applied T.L.O.’s reasonableness
    standard to evaluate whether a school official was entitled to
    qualified immunity from an excessive force claim. See
    Preschooler II v. Clark Cnty. Sch. Bd. of Trs., 
    479 F.3d 1175
    ,
    1179–81 (9th Cir. 2007). Additionally, at the time of the
    incident, at least two of our sister circuits had held that
    T.L.O.’s reasonableness standard governs law enforcement
    searches and seizures concerning school-related incidents in
    school settings. See Gray, 
    458 F.3d at 1304
    ; Shade, 
    309 F.3d at
    1060–61. We have not yet considered whether Graham or
    T.L.O. applies to law enforcement officers’ use of force
    against a student in a school setting, and we do not resolve
    that question today. But we believe that Preschooler II,
    Gray, and Shade could have led a reasonable officer to
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    conclude that T.L.O. governs police use of force in response
    to school-related incidents as well. In no event, however, do
    we think that an officer could have reasonably believed that
    T.L.O. governs police use of force once a student is in police
    custody and outside the confines of the school setting, as C.B.
    was throughout the commute to his uncle’s place of business.
    Ultimately, in our view, whether T.L.O. or Graham
    governed Chief McIntosh’s and Officer Prock’s actions at any
    given moment is of little consequence. Chief McIntosh’s and
    Officer Prock’s use of handcuffs on a calm, compliant, but
    nonresponsive 11-year-old child was unreasonable under
    either standard. Other than an assertion that they were told
    C.B. might run away, Chief McIntosh and Officer Prock offer
    no justification for their decision to use handcuffs on C.B.
    During the entire incident, C.B. never did anything that
    suggested he might run away or that he otherwise posed a
    safety threat. He weighed about 80 pounds and was
    approximately 4’8’’ tall—by no means a large child.
    Moreover, he was surrounded by four or five adults at all
    times. The police department’s own policy manual cautions
    against using handcuffs on children under the age of 14
    unless the child has committed “a dangerous felony or when
    they are of a state of mind which suggests a reasonable
    probability of their desire to escape, injure themselves, the
    officer, or to destroy property.” Even Chief McIntosh
    admitted that it was “[n]ot likely” that C.B. could run away.
    In these circumstances, we conclude that the decision to use
    handcuffs on C.B. was unreasonable, notwithstanding Coach
    Sinclair’s unexplained statement that C.B. was a “runner.”
    The further decision to leave C.B. in handcuffs for the
    duration of the half-hour commute to his uncle’s business—a
    commute that took place in a vehicle equipped with safety
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    locks that made         escape      impossible—was       clearly
    unreasonable.
    Judge Smith counters that the use of handcuffs was
    justified because C.B. might have attempted to run at various
    points during their interaction, risking serious harm to
    himself. M. Smith Opin. at 59–60. But there is no evidence
    that C.B. was likely to run; even Chief McIntosh himself
    thought it unlikely that C.B. would be able to flee. See Tolan
    v. Cotton, 
    134 S. Ct. 1861
    , 1863 (2014) (per curiam)
    (overturning grant of qualified immunity because the lower
    court did not view the evidence in favor of the nonmoving
    party). “Anything is possible” is not a sufficient basis to
    handcuff a child who poses no likely threat of any kind.
    b.
    At the time of the incident, the law was also clearly
    established that, at a minimum, police use of force in
    response to school-related incidents had to be reasonable in
    light of the circumstances and not excessively intrusive. See
    T.L.O., 
    469 U.S. at
    341–42; Preschooler II, 
    479 F.3d at
    1179–81. And the law was clearly established that, as a
    general matter, police use of force must be carefully
    calibrated to respond to the particulars of a case, including the
    wrongdoing at issue, the safety threat posed by the suspect,
    and the risk of flight. See Graham, 
    490 U.S. at 396
    .
    Although these general standards “cannot always, alone,
    provide fair notice to every reasonable law enforcement
    officer that his or her conduct is unconstitutional,” Mattos,
    
    661 F.3d at 442
    , “in an obvious case, these standards can
    ‘clearly establish’ the answer, even without a body of relevant
    case law.” Brosseau v. Haugen, 
    543 U.S. 194
    , 199 (2004)
    (per curiam).
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    Applying handcuffs to C.B., and keeping him handcuffed
    for the approximately thirty minutes it took to drive to his
    uncle’s business, was an obvious violation of these standards.
    It is beyond dispute that handcuffing a small, calm child who
    is surrounded by numerous adults, who complies with all of
    the officers’ instructions, and who is, by an officer’s own
    account, unlikely to flee, was completely unnecessary and
    excessively intrusive. Moreover, none of the Graham factors
    even remotely justified keeping C.B. handcuffed for
    approximately thirty minutes in the back seat of a safety-
    locked vehicle.
    Chief McIntosh and Officer Prock argue that because they
    were reasonable in taking C.B. into custody pursuant to the
    California Welfare & Institutions Code sections 601(a) and
    625(a), their use of handcuffs was also reasonable because
    California Penal Code section 835 provides that an individual
    under arrest “may be subjected to such restraint as is
    reasonable for his arrest and detention.” Even if California
    law permitted the level of force used here¯which it does
    not¯that would have no bearing on whether the officers
    violated clearly established federal law. See Ramirez v. City
    of Buena Park, 
    560 F.3d 1012
    , 1024–25 (9th Cir. 2009).
    California Penal Code section 835 cannot shield the officers
    from liability for a clear constitutional violation.
    In sum, we hold that Chief McIntosh and Officer Prock
    are not entitled to qualified immunity for handcuffing C.B.
    D.
    Finally, we turn to Defendants’ argument that they are
    entitled to an offset against damages because of C.B.’s
    settlement with the Sonora School District. Defendants argue
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                              49
    that they are entitled to an offset under California Code of
    Civil Procedure section 877.25 Section 877 provides that,
    when a plaintiff enters into a settlement with one or more
    joint tortfeasors, “it shall reduce the claims against the other[]
    [tortfeasors] in the amount stipulated by the [settlement].”
    “Whether individuals are joint tortfeasors under [section] 877
    depends upon whether they caused ‘one indivisible injury’ or
    ‘the same wrong.’” Decker v. Tramiel (In re JTS Corp.),
    
    617 F.3d 1102
    , 1116 (9th Cir. 2010) (quoting May v. Miller,
    
    278 Cal. Rptr. 341
    , 344 (Ct. App. 1991); see also Lafayette v.
    Cnty. of L.A., 
    208 Cal. Rptr. 668
    , 672 (Ct. App. 1984)). C.B.
    contends that Defendants are not entitled to an offset because
    the Sonora School District caused a distinct injury. We need
    not resolve this issue because Defendants have not met their
    burden to show that they are entitled to an offset for another
    reason.
    California Civil Code section 1431.2(a) provides that
    liability for economic damages is joint and several, but
    liability for noneconomic damages is apportioned according
    25
    It is not clear that California law, as opposed to federal law, governs
    Defendants’ settlement offset claim in a case such as this one, which
    involves both federal and state law claims. See Corder v. Brown, 
    25 F.3d 833
    , 839–40 (9th Cir. 1994) (recognizing that courts are split as to whether
    state law or federal common law determines a defendant’s entitlement to
    an offset in suits involving federal claims but declining to resolve the split
    because the text of the particular federal statute at issue permitted an
    offset). Defendants argue only that they are entitled to an offset under
    California Code of Civil Procedure section 877. As we explain in text,
    even if section 877 applied here, Defendants would not be entitled to an
    offset. Accordingly, we need not decide whether state or federal law
    applies.
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    to the principles of comparative fault.26 California courts
    have interpreted California Civil Code section 1431.2 as
    limiting California Code of Civil Procedure section 877 to
    economic damages only. See Greathouse v. Amcord, Inc.,
    
    41 Cal. Rptr. 2d 561
    , 564 (Ct. App. 1995) (“It is now well
    established that Code of Civil Procedure section 877 allows
    [the defendants] to set off settlement payments only for
    economic damages against the jury’s verdict. Settlement
    payments attributable to non-economic damages are not
    subject to the setoff.”); Espinoza v. Machonga, 
    11 Cal. Rptr. 2d 498
    , 502 (Ct. App. 1992) (explaining that there can be no
    offset for noneconomic damages because a “plaintiff’s valid
    ‘claim’ against one . . . tortfeasor for non-economic damages
    can never be the liability of ‘the others’” (quoting 
    Cal. Civ. Code § 1431.2
    )). Consequently, in calculating offsets,
    California courts look to the percentage of the jury’s award
    that is attributable to noneconomic damages and reduce the
    award by that same proportion of the settlement. See Conrad
    26
    California Civil Code section 1431.2(b) defines economic and
    noneconomic damages as follows:
    (1) For purposes of this section, the term
    “economic damages” means objectively verifiable
    monetary losses including medical expenses, loss of
    earnings, burial costs, loss of use of property, costs of
    repair or replacement, costs of obtaining substitute
    domestic services, loss of employment and loss of
    business or employment opportunities.
    (2) For the purposes of this section, the term
    “non-economic damages” means subjective,
    non-monetary losses including, but not limited to, pain,
    suffering, inconvenience, mental suffering, emotional
    distress, loss of society and companionship, loss of
    consortium, injury to reputation and humiliation.
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                    51
    v. Ball Corp., 
    29 Cal. Rptr. 2d 441
    , 443 (Ct. App. 1994);
    Espinoza, 11 Cal. Rptr. 2d at 504. But, where “the special
    verdict [does] not specify economic and noneconomic
    damages, but merely award[s] an undifferentiated lump sum,”
    and the defendant failed to propose such a special verdict, the
    defendant is deemed to have waived any right to any offset.
    Conrad, 29 Cal. Rptr. 2d at 443–44. This is because “[a]
    defendant seeking an offset against a money judgment has the
    burden of proving the offset.” Id. at 444.
    Here, Defendants initially did propose a jury instruction
    that distinguished between economic and noneconomic
    damages. However, when the court provided its proposed
    jury instructions and verdict form, Defendants did not object
    to the exclusion of their proposed allocation. The court
    specifically asked Defendants if they had any objections to
    either the proposed jury instructions or the verdict form, and
    Defendants objected to unrelated portions of the jury
    instructions, but not the omission of their proposed question
    about damages on the verdict form. By failing to object to an
    undifferentiated verdict form, Defendants have not met their
    burden to show what portion of the jury’s award was for
    economic damages. See Conrad, 29 Cal. Rptr. 2d at 443–44;
    cf. Grosvenor Props. Ltd. v. Southmark Corp., 
    896 F.2d 1149
    ,
    1152–53 (9th Cir. 1990) (recognizing that mere submission
    of an alternative proposed instruction is insufficient to
    preserve for appeal an objection to the instruction given).
    Consequently, the district court did not err in refusing to
    award Defendants a $20,000 offset against the jury’s damages
    award.
    52                 C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA
    III. Conclusion
    We conclude that Defendants have not identified any
    plain error in the district court’s jury instructions, the district
    court’s evidentiary rulings were not an abuse of discretion,
    and Defendants have not shown they are entitled to a
    settlement offset. Furthermore, we hold that Chief McIntosh
    and Officer Prock are not entitled to qualified immunity
    because no officer could have reasonably believed that their
    use of handcuffs to remove C.B. from school grounds
    complied with the Fourth Amendment. However, as set forth
    in Judge M. Smith’s majority opinion, the district court’s
    ruling on Chief McIntosh’s and Officer Prock’s motion for
    judgment as a matter of law denying them qualified immunity
    on C.B.’s Fourth Amendment unlawful seizure claim is
    reversed.
    The judgment of the district court is affirmed in part,
    reversed in part. The judgment against Chief Mace McIntosh
    is reduced by $15,000. The judgment against Officer Hal
    Prock is reduced by $5,000.
    AFFIRMED IN PART AND REVERSED IN PART.
    C.B. shall recover his costs on appeal against the City of
    Sonora; no costs are awarded against Chief McIntosh and
    Officer Prock.
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                     53
    M. SMITH, Circuit Judge, concurring in part, and dissenting
    in part, with whom O’SCANNLAIN, TALLMAN, and
    BYBEE, Circuit Judges, join in full, and with whom
    KOZINSKI, Chief Judge, and GRABER and GOULD,
    Circuit Judges, join as to Part I, which is the opinion of the
    court:
    A majority of the en banc court agrees that Chief
    McIntosh and Officer Prock (the officers) are entitled to
    qualified immunity with respect to C.B.’s unlawful seizure
    claim. A reasonable officer would not have known that
    taking a child in C.B.’s situation into temporary custody was
    unreasonable, and therefore unconstitutional. However, I
    respectfully dissent from the majority’s conclusion denying
    the officers qualified immunity with respect to C.B.’s
    excessive force claim. In my view, the officers are entitled to
    qualified immunity on both of C.B.’s Fourth Amendment
    claims because the constitutional rights at issue in this case
    were neither clearly established nor “obvious” at the time
    C.B. was taken into temporary custody.
    To determine whether an officer is entitled to qualified
    immunity, we consider (1) whether he violated a
    constitutional right and (2) whether the constitutional right
    was clearly established. Pearson v. Callahan, 
    555 U.S. 223
    ,
    232, 236 (2009). “[C]ourts should define the ‘clearly
    established’ right at issue on the basis of the ‘specific context
    of the case.’” Tolan v. Cotton, 
    134 S. Ct. 1861
    , 1866 (2014)
    (per curiam) (quoting Saucier v. Katz, 
    533 U.S. 194
    , 201
    (2001)). Our court, however, has been singled out and
    chastised by the Supreme Court for our propensity to
    improperly find “clearly established” rights. Specifically, the
    Court has mandated that “courts—and the Ninth Circuit in
    particular—not . . . define clearly established law at a high
    54                   C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA
    level of generality.” Ashcroft v. al-Kidd, 
    131 S. Ct. 2074
    ,
    2084 (2011) (emphasis added) (internal citation omitted).
    Despite the Court’s clear instruction that we not “define
    clearly established law at a high level of generality,” the
    majority’s hurried discussion of the second prong of the
    qualified immunity analysis does just that. Specifically, the
    majority defines the relevant law as requiring the use of force
    to be “carefully calibrated to respond to the particulars of a
    case . . . .”1 But this very general statement clearly does not
    provide “fair warning” to a reasonable officer that
    handcuffing C.B. to take him into temporary custody violates
    his Fourth Amendment rights. See Tolan, 
    134 S. Ct. at 1866
    ;
    Brosseau v. Haugen, 
    543 U.S. 194
    , 198–99 (2004) (per
    curiam).
    I respectfully disagree with the majority’s
    characterization of these facts as an “obvious violation” of
    C.B.’s constitutional rights, and with its conclusion that this
    case is not therefore subject to the Court’s admonitions
    against defining “clearly established law” in overly general
    terms. I acknowledge that the Court has recognized that
    general standards can create a “clearly establish[ed]” right in
    an “obvious case,” even “without a body of relevant case
    law.” See Brosseau, 
    543 U.S. at 199
    . But the facts of this
    case, even when viewed in the light most favorable to C.B.,
    see Harper v. City of Los Angeles, 
    533 F.3d 1010
    , 1021 (9th
    Cir. 2008), do not come close to constituting an “obvious”
    1
    The Supreme Court has explained that “[t]he general proposition . . .
    that an unreasonable search or seizure violates the Fourth Amendment is
    of little help in determining whether the violative nature of particular
    conduct is clearly established.” al-Kidd, 
    131 S. Ct. at 2084
    .
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                     55
    violation of a “clearly establish[ed]” right. See Brosseau,
    
    543 U.S. at 199
    .
    I. Unlawful Seizure Claim
    Assuming New Jersey v. T.L.O.’s reasonableness standard
    applies, as my colleagues do, C.B. cannot show that a
    reasonable officer would have understood that taking him into
    temporary custody was unreasonable, and therefore
    unconstitutional. See Hope v. Pelzer, 
    536 U.S. 730
    , 739
    (2002); New Jersey v. T.L.O., 
    469 U.S. 325
    , 341 (1985).
    When analyzing whether an individual’s Fourth
    Amendment rights were violated, we must determine whether
    the seizure was reasonable under “all the circumstances.”
    T.L.O., 
    469 U.S. at 341
    . Qualified immunity insulates the
    officers from liability unless “existing precedent . . . ha[s]
    placed the statutory or constitutional question beyond
    debate.” al-Kidd, 
    131 S. Ct. at 2083
    .
    Viewed in its entirety, the record reveals that the situation
    confronting the officers did not present an “obvious”
    violation of C.B.’s constitutional rights. The circumstances
    facing the officers when they decided to take C.B. into
    temporary custody are as follows. First, officers knew that
    school officials had reported that C.B. was a “runner” and
    “out of control.” Second, although Judge Paez describes C.B.
    as “compliant,” C.B. himself admitted that he completely
    ignored Officer Prock’s questions for three and a half
    minutes. Third, the officers did not know exactly which
    medication C.B. had failed to take. But a reasonable officer
    would have evaluated Coach Sinclair’s statements in context,
    and would likely have believed that Coach Sinclair stated that
    C.B. did not take his medication because it was related to his
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    behavior—the very reason why the officers were called to the
    school in the first place.
    A reasonable officer in this situation, faced with a
    juvenile who (a) was reportedly a “runner,” (b) was “out of
    control,” (c) ignored the officer’s questions, and (d) had not
    taken his medication, would not have known that taking such
    a juvenile into temporary custody in order to transport him
    safely to his uncle was an “obvious” violation of his
    constitutional rights.
    Judge Paez attempts to characterize this situation as an
    “obvious” violation of C.B.’s constitutional rights by
    emphasizing that C.B. was a “compliant and calm 11-year-old
    child,” and that the officers had “[no] knowledge of
    disobedience.” However, C.B. had resisted the officers by
    ignoring their questions and was reported by the school as out
    of control, regardless of how he appeared at the exact
    moment when the officers took him into temporary custody.
    And although a reasonable officer would have observed that
    C.B. was young, age alone does not impose a complete bar on
    taking an individual into temporary custody, or on believing
    a school official’s report.
    Judge Paez also notes that the decision to take C.B. into
    temporary custody was made “sans any police investigation.”
    Respectfully, this characterization fails to address several
    important points. The facts show that the officers did
    investigate by obtaining information from Coach Sinclair and
    attempting to question C.B., who refused to respond.
    Additionally, taking C.B. into custody without any further
    investigation was not an obvious violation of his
    constitutional rights because clearly established law at the
    time of the seizure did not mandate any additional
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                     57
    investigation, nor did it preclude reasonable reliance on the
    statements of school officials. See T.L.O., 
    469 U.S. at 346
    .
    If we were to hold that the officers’ conduct was an
    “obvious violation,” we would effectively establish a new
    rule that police officers in a situation similar to this one must
    undertake an independent investigation whenever they
    observe behavior that appears in any way inconsistent with a
    school official’s report. Such a requirement would be
    unworkable in the real world of law enforcement and school
    administration. Does an officer who is told by a school
    official that a student is a runner and has not taken his
    medications, but who later encounters the student seated and
    quiet, need to undertake an investigation because the student
    is not running or “out of control” at that time? What would
    that investigation entail? Would it require reviewing the
    student’s record with school officials to determine what being
    a “runner” means in that particular student’s situation?
    Would it involve talking with school counselors, teachers, or
    physicians who have dealt with the student to better
    understand the severity of the student’s problems? By
    characterizing the officers’ conduct as an “obvious violation”
    of constitutional rights, the dissent would require an officer
    to undertake such an uncabined investigation prior to
    responding to these situations, or risk personal financial
    liability if he did not. It would disincentivize officers from
    responding to calls for help from school officials under
    similar circumstances.
    But the officers’ conduct was not an “obvious violation”
    of C.B.’s constitutional rights. Under “all the circumstances,”
    T.L.O., 
    469 U.S. at 341
    , a reasonable officer would not have
    understood that taking C.B. into temporary custody violated
    his rights. The Supreme Court has been pellucidly clear that
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    the purpose of qualified immunity is to give officers
    “breathing room” in uncertain situations. Stanton v. Sims,
    
    134 S. Ct. 3
    , 5 (2013) (per curiam) (quoting al-Kidd, 
    131 S. Ct. at 2085
    ). Accordingly, the officers are entitled to
    qualified immunity on the unlawful seizure claim.2
    II. Excessive Force Claim
    I respectfully disagree with the majority’s conclusion that
    the scope of C.B.’s right to be free from excessive force was
    2
    Judge Berzon states that our case law requires police officers to have
    some cause to take children into custody. She cites language from Crowe
    v. County of San Diego, that a police officer was not entitled to qualified
    immunity when he “failed to provide any justification” for a seizure.
    
    608 F.3d 406
    , 439 (9th Cir. 2010). At issue there was the detention at a
    police station of the parents of a murder victim. 
    Id.
     Additionally, it was
    the district court that had denied summary judgment due to the officer’s
    failure to provide any justification. We affirmed, but on the ground that
    the parents did not consent to the detention because the officer had pointed
    a gun at them.
    In Henderson v. Mohave County, also cited by Judge Berzon, we
    denied qualified immunity to officers who seized a child after ignoring her
    mother’s court order showing that she had custody. 
    54 F.3d 592
    , 595 (9th
    Cir. 1995).
    Relying on these cases, Judge Berzon concludes that no reasonable
    officer would have believed that there was cause to take C.B. into custody
    under section 601 of the Welfare and Institutions Code. Even assuming
    Crowe applies here, it does not require that a state law provide
    justification for the seizure. Rather, under the Fourth Amendment, the
    seizure need only be reasonable under all the circumstances. See T.L.O.,
    
    469 U.S. at 341
    . Unlike in Henderson, where the officers had no
    justification for their actions, here, a reasonable officer would have
    believed he was justified in taking C.B. into temporary custody based on
    the information available to him, including the school’s report that he was
    out of control and had not taken his medication.
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    clearly established. The majority gives inadequate weight to
    the Court’s directive that “clearly established law” not be
    defined at a high level of generality, see al-Kidd, 
    131 S. Ct. at 2084
    , for it was far from “obvious” that handcuffing
    C.B.—a known “runner” reported to be “out of
    control”—constituted excessive force. Rather, assuming
    without deciding that Graham v. Connor, 
    490 U.S. 386
    , 396
    (1989), controls in this situation, handcuffing C.B. was
    clearly reasonable when balanced against the need to ensure
    C.B.’s safety by preventing him from fleeing or injuring
    himself.
    The “reasonableness of a particular use of force must be
    judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the
    scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight.” 
    Id. at 396
     (internal quotation marks omitted). The force used by
    officers must be objectively reasonable under the
    circumstances, and need not be the least intrusive means
    available to them. 
    Id. at 397, 399
    ; Luchtel v. Hagemann,
    
    623 F.3d 975
    , 982 (9th Cir. 2010). “The calculus of
    reasonableness must embody allowance for the fact that
    police officers are often forced to make split-second
    judgments—in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and
    rapidly evolving—about the amount of force that is necessary
    in a particular situation.” Graham, 
    490 U.S. at
    397–98. In
    determining whether force, including the use of handcuffs, is
    reasonable, we consider, among other things, whether the
    individual poses an immediate threat to the safety of the
    officers or others, and whether he is attempting to evade
    arrest by flight. See 
    id. at 396
    .
    There is no clearly established law indicating that
    handcuffing C.B. to transport him safely from school grounds
    to his uncle’s business was not objectively reasonable under
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    the circumstances. See 
    id. at 399
    . The majority characterizes
    C.B. as a “small, calm child.” But when the officers
    encountered C.B., the school had reported that C.B. was “out
    of control,” and Coach Sinclair had stated that he was a
    “runner.” Particularly in light of C.B.’s refusal to answer the
    officers’ questions, a reasonable officer would have taken the
    school officials’ concerns seriously. The fact that C.B. was
    sitting at the time the officers encountered him does not
    contradict Coach Sinclair’s statement that he was a runner.
    A reasonable officer would not have known that encountering
    C.B. sitting down and not responding to questions would
    necessitate a detailed investigation into the veracity and
    meaning of Coach Sinclair’s statement before using
    handcuffs, especially in light of the fact that the
    reasonableness inquiry allows officers to make split-second
    judgments in uncertain situations. See 
    id.
     at 397–98.
    Finally, although the majority characterizes C.B.’s
    unresponsiveness to Officer Prock’s questioning as mere
    silent obedience, a reasonable officer could have viewed
    C.B.’s refusal to answer the questions as an act of defiance.3
    Indeed, officers are trained that such unresponsive behavior
    may be a “cue[] to escalation,” indicating that the individual
    may be looking for an opportunity to flee. Because a busy
    roadway abuts C.B.’s schoolyard, the consequences of
    ignoring Coach Sinclair’s warning and C.B.’s unresponsive
    behavior, and spending time conducting an investigation,
    could have been serious, or even fatal.
    In this situation, a reasonable officer, relying on the
    statement of Coach Sinclair that C.B. is a “runner,” see
    3
    C.B. admitted that he completely ignored Officer Prock’s questions for
    three and a half minutes.
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    T.L.O., 
    469 U.S. at 346
    , could have determined that C.B.
    would pose a danger to himself if he ran into the roadway,
    and that he would be at risk of injury if he had to be
    apprehended while running. A reasonable officer, relying on
    precedent establishing that handcuffs may be appropriate to
    prevent flight, see id.; Meredith v. Erath, 
    342 F.3d 1057
    ,
    1063 (9th Cir. 2003), would not have known that it was a
    constitutional violation to place C.B. in handcuffs to ensure
    his safety.4
    Additionally, it was not clearly established that keeping
    a juvenile in C.B.’s situation handcuffed for approximately
    thirty minutes while the officers transported him to his uncle
    was unconstitutional. A reasonable officer could have
    believed that it was permissible to keep C.B. handcuffed to
    ensure his safety in light of the fact that C.B. could have hurt
    himself in the car, or attempted to flee while the officer was
    removing the handcuffs before placing C.B. in the car.
    Moreover, handcuffing C.B. to prevent flight comports with
    standard police procedure. Although the City of Sonora’s
    policy recommends that handcuffs generally should not be
    used for a juvenile under the age of 14, it also provides that
    officers may in their discretion handcuff a juvenile if he is of
    the state of mind that suggests a reasonable probability of his
    4
    Judge Paez notes that Chief McIntosh believed that it was not likely
    that C.B. could run away from the officers. However, Chief McIntosh’s
    subjective beliefs are not relevant as “[t]he Fourth Amendment inquiry is
    one of objective reasonableness under the circumstances, and subjective
    concepts . . . have no proper place in that inquiry.” Graham, 
    490 U.S. at 399
     (internal quotation marks omitted). Moreover, even if C.B. could not
    have succeeded in running away, a reasonable officer could have believed
    it was likely that C.B. would have tried to run away, given his history as
    a runner. In such a case, the officer would have needed to apprehend
    C.B., which would have posed a risk of injury.
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    desire to escape or that he may injure himself. This policy is
    fully consistent with Supreme Court precedent. See Graham,
    
    490 U.S. at 396
    .
    Although handcuffing a juvenile is not a matter to be
    taken lightly, neither is the juvenile’s safety. Under the
    majority’s reasoning, officers’ legitimate concerns for a
    child’s safety are no longer sufficient to justify handcuffing,
    and officers are now potentially liable for monetary damages
    if they use handcuffs out of concern for a child’s safety. But
    had an officer in this situation not handcuffed C.B., and had
    C.B. run into the roadway and been killed or injured by a
    passing vehicle, the officer, knowing that C.B. was a runner,
    would surely have been liable due to his failure to ensure
    C.B.’s safety. Under the majority’s new rule, officers are
    now damned if they do, and damned if they don’t, when
    dealing with schoolchildren who are known runners.
    Because this case is not an “obvious” one where general
    standards clearly establish C.B.’s rights, a reasonable officer
    would not have known that handcuffing C.B. to safely take
    him into temporary custody violated his constitutional rights.
    The Supreme Court has taught that qualified immunity
    protects “all but the plainly incompetent or those who
    knowingly violate the law.” al-Kidd, 131 S. Ct. at 2085
    (quoting Malley v. Briggs, 
    475 U.S. 335
    , 341 (1986)).5 Here,
    5
    The Supreme Court’s recent case law illustrates the substantial
    protection that qualified immunity affords police officers. Although each
    case is decided based on its specific facts, the reality is that the Supreme
    Court in the recent past has rarely denied qualified immunity to police
    officers. As one scholar has observed, before the recent reversal of a grant
    of qualified immunity in Tolan, 
    134 S. Ct. 1861
    , the Court had not ruled
    against a police officer in a qualified immunity case since Groh v.
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    because there is no indication that the officers knowingly
    violated the law, the majority, in denying qualified immunity,
    must view the officers as “plainly incompetent.” I find no
    evidence that either officer is “plainly incompetent.” Because
    C.B.’s constitutional rights were not clearly established, the
    district court improperly denied qualified immunity to the
    officers. I therefore respectfully dissent from the majority’s
    contrary conclusion denying qualified immunity to the
    officers with respect to C.B.’s excessive force claim.
    GOULD, Circuit Judge, with whom KOZINSKI, Chief Judge,
    and GRABER, Circuit Judge, join, concurring in part in
    Judge Paez’s opinion and concurring in part in Judge M.
    Smith’s opinion:
    I join Parts I, II.A, II.B, II.C.2, and II.D of Judge Paez’s
    opinion, concerning the factual background, rejection of the
    challenges to jury instructions and to evidentiary rulings, and
    the conclusions that Chief McIntosh and Officer Prock used
    excessive force in violation of the Fourth Amendment when,
    in removing C.B. from school grounds, they handcuffed him
    for 25 to 30 minutes and that they are not entitled to qualified
    immunity for handcuffing C.B.
    Ramirez, 
    540 U.S. 551
     (2004), decided nearly a decade earlier. See Will
    Baude, Tolan v. Cotton — when should the Supreme Court interfere in
    ‘factbound’ cases?, The Washington Post, The Volokh Conspiracy (May
    7, 2014, 9:40 AM), http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-
    conspiracy/wp/2014/05/07/tolan-v-cotton-when-should-the-supreme-
    court-interfere-in-factbound-cases/?tid=pm_national_pop (last visited
    September 22, 2014).
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    I join in Part I of Judge M. Smith’s opinion, concerning
    the unlawful seizure claim, concluding that the officers are
    entitled to qualified immunity as to the seizure of C.B.
    On the issue of unlawful seizure: T.L.O.’s reasonableness
    standard requires that a search be “justified at its inception”
    and, “as actually conducted,” be “reasonably related in scope
    to the circumstances which justified the interference in the
    first place.” New Jersey v. T.L.O., 
    469 U.S. 325
    , 341 (1985)
    (internal quotation marks omitted). We should give weight
    to the parts of the Court’s opinion in T.L.O. that gave its
    reasons for holding that “the school setting requires some
    easing of the restrictions to which searches by public
    authorities are ordinarily subject.” 
    Id. at 340
    .
    The Court’s primary concern in T.L.O. was balancing the
    “privacy interests of schoolchildren with the substantial need
    of teachers and administrators for freedom to maintain order
    in the schools.” 
    Id. at 341
    . The need for order in the school
    setting permits searches when reasonable grounds exist to
    suspect violations not just of law, but of “the rules of the
    school.” 
    Id. at 342
    . When a court examines the rules of a
    school, it “should, as a general matter, defer” to the school’s
    judgment that the rule is necessary to prevent “conduct [that]
    is destructive of school order or of a proper educational
    environment.” 
    Id.
     at 343 n.9. In applying this standard to the
    facts of T.L.O.’s case, the Court approved of a school
    administrator’s use of “the sort of common-sense
    conclusio[ns] about human behavior upon which practical
    people—including government officials—are entitled to
    rely.” 
    Id. at 346
     (internal quotation marks omitted).
    In concurrence, Justices Powell and O’Connor stressed
    the “special characteristics” of the school environment,
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                    65
    noting that “teachers have a degree of familiarity with, and
    authority over, their students that is unparalleled except
    perhaps in the relationship between parent and child.” 
    Id. at 348
    . Based on this relationship, the concurring Justices
    concluded that “[t]he primary duty of school officials and
    teachers . . . is the education and training of young people. A
    State has a compelling interest in assuring that the schools
    meet this responsibility. Without first establishing discipline
    and maintaining order, teachers cannot begin to educate their
    students.” 
    Id. at 350
     (Powell and O’Connor, JJ., concurring).
    Reasonable officers could have believed that the
    Constitution allows them to remove a student from school
    grounds based on a facially reasonable request from school
    officials. This conclusion is reinforced by the facts. Coach
    Sinclair, the requesting official, was the school’s official
    disciplinarian, the person most responsible for maintaining
    order at Sonora Elementary. Coach Sinclair’s request was
    supported by contentions that C.B. was a runner and had not
    taken his medicine. The allegations supported the notion that
    C.B. was violating the rules of the school or impairing
    discipline and maintenance of order, prerequisites to
    educating students. See 
    id.
     Finally, the police officers were
    on campus for less than five minutes before taking C.B. into
    custody. This brief visit to the school environment could not
    safely give them such information as would be necessary to
    overrule the considered judgment of a school official,
    particularly given the close relationship between teachers and
    students. See 
    id. at 348
    .
    In the modern world, delay in the school setting can pose
    grave dangers to many, an unfortunate fact that may at times
    require police to act promptly upon arrival. In the context of
    dangers presented to students at schools, rather than require
    66                C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA
    officers to make an independent investigation when they
    arrive at a school, a reasonable police officer could believe
    that the Constitution would allow him or her to rely on
    responsible school officials. Here, the officers could
    reasonably have believed that relying on Coach Sinclair over
    what they personally saw in their brief and isolated visit was
    the kind of “common-sense conclusion” that T.L.O. was
    intended to permit. 
    Id. at 346
     (majority opinion). When a
    school official makes a determination that it is necessary to
    remove a student from campus to maintain order, protect that
    student or others, or otherwise to prevent the destruction of
    the “proper educational environment,” 
    id.
     at 343 n.9, in my
    view a reasonable officer could have believed that he or she
    was entitled to rely on that judgment.
    On the issue of excessive force by handcuffing: Police
    officers may reasonably believe that the Fourth Amendment
    permits them to give deference to a school official’s request
    that a student be removed from campus. But that reasonable
    belief in deference does not extend to the level of force that
    they may use to accomplish the removal. See, e.g., Acosta v.
    City of Costa Mesa, 
    718 F.3d 800
    , 826 (9th Cir. 2013) (per
    curiam) (analyzing separately a claim of unreasonable seizure
    or arrest and “whether the officers employed excessive force
    when enacting the seizure and arrest”). The officers violated
    the Fourth Amendment by handcuffing C.B., and they are not
    protected from C.B.’s excessive force claim by qualified
    immunity. None of the reasons motivating the Supreme
    Court’s decision in T.L.O. bears on police officers’ use of
    force. Neither the need for compliance with school rules, nor
    the close relationship between teachers and students, nor the
    importance of maintaining the educational environment has
    any connection with the amount of force permissibly used by
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                    67
    officers in carrying out an otherwise reasonable request from
    school officials.
    The Supreme Court was explicit in Graham v. Connor,
    
    490 U.S. 386
    , 396 (1989), that the application of Fourth
    Amendment reasonableness to excessive force claims
    “requires careful attention to the facts and circumstances of
    each particular case, including the severity of the crime at
    issue, whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to the
    safety of the officers or others, and whether he is actively
    resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight.” C.B.
    was not charged with or suspected of any crime. There is no
    evidence that C.B. posed an immediate safety risk to himself,
    to the officers, or to anyone else on the scene. And there was
    no testimony that C.B. tried to escape, nor did the officers
    believe that there was any reasonable possibility that he could
    or would attempt to do so. Finally, the officers’ unreasonable
    decision to use handcuffs was compounded by their decision
    to leave the handcuffs on during a 30-minute trip in which
    C.B. was secured in the back of a police cruiser with no
    possibility of escape or harm to himself or others.
    The Supreme Court’s jurisprudence has firmly established
    that the force police officers apply must be reasonable.
    Under the totality of the circumstances, it was not reasonable
    to handcuff a small and docile 11-year-old child. The
    Supreme Court’s law requiring that a reasonable level of
    force be used against the citizenry is crystal clear and well
    established.
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    BERZON, Circuit Judge, with whom Judge THOMAS joins,
    concurring in part and dissenting in part:
    I concur in Judge Paez’s opinion, with one exception: as
    to C.B.’s unlawful seizure claim, I concur in the result
    reached by Judge Paez but would reach that result via
    different reasoning.
    As to the seizure issue, the reliance on New Jersey v.
    T.L.O, 
    469 U.S. 325
     (1985), in the three other opinions in this
    case is, in my view, entirely beside the point. The police
    officer defendants have consistently maintained that they
    seized C.B. because they had reasonable cause to believe he
    was a child covered by California Welfare and Institutions
    Code section 601(a). But section 601(a) does not cover
    C.B.’s circumstance, nor could a reasonable police officer
    have thought it did. As the defendants have never suggested
    that they could, or did, seize C.B. to enforce the school’s own
    rules and disciplinary needs, we should be reviewing their
    actual defense, not manufacturing one for them.
    I.
    We are reviewing a judgment entered after a jury trial.
    Over the course of that trial, the police officers repeatedly
    explained that they took C.B. into custody pursuant to the
    Welfare and Institutions Code. Officer Prock, for example,
    acknowledged that he “arrest[ed]” C.B. under section 601.
    So did Officer McIntosh. The officers’ expert witness
    testified as to whether the circumstances allowed them to take
    C.B. into temporary custody under section 601(a).
    Furthermore, the testimony at trial established that at the
    time of C.B.’s seizure, the understanding of both the officers
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                         69
    and the school was that he was being put in handcuffs and
    carried away for law enforcement or mental health reasons,
    not school discipline. C.B. thought he was going to jail; no
    one told him otherwise. Coach Sinclair testified that she
    “[a]bsolutely” believed the officers were taking C.B. to the
    hospital pursuant to Welfare and Institutions Code section
    5150, which enables a “peace officer” to take a person into
    custody for seventy-two hours when there is probable cause
    to believe the person “is a danger to others, or to himself,” “as
    a result of a mental health disorder.”1 Officer Prock testified
    that the plan was to take C.B. to the probation department
    before releasing him to a family member. See 
    Cal. Welf. & Inst. Code § 626
    (d). It was only after C.B. was seized that
    Officer Prock realized that he had a prior existing business
    relationship with C.B.’s uncle and so decided, with Chief
    McIntosh’s permission, to drive C.B. directly to the uncle’s
    home.
    In closing argument, counsel for the officers pointed the
    jury to sections 625 and 601 of the Welfare and Institutions
    Code and described this statutory authority as their “primary
    defense” to C.B.’s constitutional claims. As to the
    unconstitutional seizure claim, counsel for the officers
    explained: “[W]e’re saying that the law authorizes us to take
    the plaintiff into custody without a warrant because he’s
    beyond the control of his guardian.” Counsel for the officers
    went on to argue that the evidence showed C.B. was “beyond
    the control of the school,” and that the officers were for that
    reason “allowed to take him into temporary custody without
    1
    That such a seizure would have required probable cause was clearly
    established and beyond dispute by 2008. See Bias v. Moynihan, 
    508 F.3d 1212
    , 1220 (9th Cir. 2007).
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    a warrant . . . . under the Welfare [and] Institutions Code
    [sections] 625 and 601.”
    The jury was instructed in accord with the proffered
    defense that “seizure . . . without an arrest warrant is
    reasonable if the officers . . . had probable cause to believe
    that the person was subject to temporary custody without a
    warrant,” and that “[w]hether the defendant officers had
    probable cause to conclude that [the] plaintiff was a juvenile
    who was subject to temporary custody under the Welfare
    [and] Institutions Code, as that law is described in these
    circumstances, should be determined by you under the totality
    of the circumstances.”2 (Emphasis added.)
    After the jury returned a verdict in favor of C.B., the
    officers moved for judgment as a matter of law on the ground
    that they were entitled to qualified immunity for C.B.’s
    unlawful seizure claim. Their argument was that “the officers
    were authorized to take [C.B.] into custody under [s]ection
    625 and 601 of the California Welfare and Institutions Code.”
    On appeal, the police officers continue to maintain that
    they took C.B. into “temporary custody under Welfare [and]
    Institutions Code sections 601 and 625.” They contend that
    they “arrested Plaintiff C.B.” pursuant to this statutory
    authority “based on reasonable cause to believe C.B. was
    beyond the control of the school.” And, although the three
    other opinions in this case cite T.L.O. as alternately barring or
    justifying C.B.’s seizure, the officers themselves in their
    appellate filings have never cited T.L.O. at all. In their
    response to the petition for rehearing en banc, the officers
    noted that the panel opinion “accurately identif[ied] Section
    2
    The officers offered no objection to this instruction.
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                     71
    601(a) and 625(a) as the authority invoked and relied upon by
    the Officers[ ] in taking C.B. into temporary custody.”
    Simply put, the police officers are defending against
    C.B.’s allegations on the ground that they behaved as law
    enforcement officers, not school administrators or officials,
    when they arrested C.B. pursuant to their asserted statutory
    authority to do so. The officers do not purport to have been
    enforcing school disciplinary policies as agents of the school.
    We should not be evaluating the officers’ seizure of C.B. by
    recourse to a justification that they neither offer as authority
    for their conduct nor endorse.
    II.
    The officers’ sole contention, then, is that they had cause
    to take C.B. into custody because he was “beyond the control
    of” his “custodian” under section 601(a). They had no such
    cause for two reasons: (1) the school is not C.B.’s custodian,
    and (2) he was not “beyond the control” of his parents,
    guardian, or custodian.
    Subsections (a) and (b) of section 601 provide:
    (a) Any person under the age of 18 years who
    persistently or habitually refuses to obey the
    reasonable and proper orders or directions of
    his or her parents, guardian, or custodian, or
    who is beyond the control of that person, or
    who is under the age of 18 years when he or
    she violated any ordinance of any city or
    county of this state establishing a curfew
    based solely on age is within the jurisdiction
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    of the juvenile court which may adjudge the
    minor to be a ward of the court.
    (b) If a minor has four or more truancies
    within one school year as defined in Section
    48260 of the Education Code or a school
    attendance review board or probation officer
    determines that the available public and
    private services are insufficient or
    inappropriate to correct the habitual truancy
    of the minor, or to correct the minor’s
    persistent or habitual refusal to obey the
    reasonable and proper orders or directions of
    school authorities, or if the minor fails to
    respond to directives of a school attendance
    review board or probation officer or to
    services provided, the minor is then within the
    jurisdiction of the juvenile court which may
    adjudge the minor to be a ward of the court.
    However, it is the intent of the Legislature
    that no minor who is adjudged a ward of the
    court pursuant solely to this subdivision shall
    be removed from the custody of the parent or
    guardian except during school hours.
    As Judge McKeown concluded in her dissent to the
    original panel opinion in this case: “On its face, the term
    ‘custodian’ does not apply to school officials.” C.B. v. City
    of Sonora, 
    730 F.3d 816
    , 828 n.2 (9th Cir. 2013) (McKeown,
    J., dissenting). When the California legislature referred to
    school authorities in section 601, it did so expressly, in
    subsection (b). That subsection delineates the precise
    circumstances under which the juvenile court may assert
    jurisdiction over a minor for misbehavior at school.
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    Of particular relevance to C.B.’s situation, subsection
    601(b) specifies that a minor may come under the juvenile
    court’s jurisdiction “[i]f . . . a school attendance review board
    or probation officer determines that the available public and
    private services are insufficient or inappropriate . . . to correct
    the minor’s persistent or habitual refusal to obey the
    reasonable and proper orders or directions of school
    authorities.” 
    Cal. Welf. & Inst. Code § 601
    (b). C.B.’s
    “refusal to obey the . . . orders or directions of school
    authorities” spurred his seizure.             But there was no
    “determin[ation]” made by those statutorily empowered to do
    so that “available . . . services [were] insufficient” to correct
    C.B.’s disobedience.            And there certainly was no
    determination made that C.B.’s disobedience was “persistent
    or habitual.” Accordingly, the provision of section 601 which
    specifically applies to schools does not support C.B.’s
    seizure. The officers do not argue that it does.
    The complete absence from subsection (b) of a provision
    allowing a juvenile court to assert jurisdiction over a minor
    who “is beyond the control” of school authorities without a
    proper determination being made by the appropriate persons
    is telling. As “judicial interpreter[s],” we are “call[ed] on . . .
    to consider the entire text, in view of its structure and of the
    physical and logical relation of its many parts.” Antonin
    Scalia & Bryan A. Garner, Reading Law: The Interpretation
    of Legal Texts 167 (2012). When confronted with a general
    provision and a specific provision that cannot be reconciled,
    the specific provision prevails. 
    Id. at 183
    . Here, even if
    school authorities are properly considered C.B.’s custodian’s
    during school hours, subsection (b) is the more specific
    provision, and so must govern. Otherwise, whenever a minor
    “persistently or habitually refuses to obey the reasonable and
    proper orders or directions” of school authorities, he could be
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    within the juvenile court’s jurisdiction, leaving subsection
    (b)’s procedural requirement a nullity.
    That subsection (a) does not include minors who are
    beyond the control of school authorities is confirmed by
    review of the statute’s legislative history. An earlier version
    of section 601 expressly applied to minors who were “beyond
    the control of” “school authorities.” That version of the
    statute read in full:
    Any person under the age of 21 years who
    persistently or habitually refuses to obey the
    reasonable and proper orders or directions of
    his parents, guardian, custodian or school
    authorities, or who is beyond the control of
    such person, or any person who is a habitual
    truant from school within the meaning of any
    law of this State, or who from any cause is in
    danger of leading an idle, dissolute, lewd, or
    immoral life, is within the jurisdiction of the
    juvenile court which may adjudge such person
    to be a ward of the court.
    
    1961 Cal. Stat. 3471
     (emphasis added); see also In re David
    S., 
    12 Cal. App. 3d 1124
    , 1126 (Ct. App. 1970). In 1974, the
    legislature amended section 601 by deleting “school
    authorities,” as well as “or any person who is a habitual truant
    from school within the meaning of any law of this state.”
    
    1974 Cal. Stat. 2629
    . Section 601 was amended by the same
    bill that added Article 9 to Chapter 6 of Division 9 of the
    Education Code, creating “School Attendance Review
    Boards.” 
    1974 Cal. Stat. 2624
    . The legislature’s “intent”
    “[i]n enacting this article . . . [was] that intensive guidance
    and coordinated community services. . . be provided to meet
    C.B. V. CITY OF SONORA                     75
    the special needs of pupils with school attendance problems
    or school behavior problems.” 
    Id.
    At the same time, and as part of the same legislation that
    created school attendance review boards and that amended
    section 601, the legislature added section 601.1 to the
    Welfare and Institutions Code. 
    1974 Cal. Stat. 2629
    . That
    section specifically governed disobedience of school
    authorities, and required “persistent[] and habitual[] refus[al]”
    in order for a minor to be “beyond the control of such
    authorities”:
    (a)     Any person under the age of 18 years
    who persistently or habitually refuses to obey
    the reasonable and proper orders or directions
    of school authorities, and is thus beyond the
    control of such authorities, or who is a
    habitual truant from school within the
    meaning of any law of this state, shall, prior to
    any referral to the juvenile court of the
    county, be referred to a school attendance
    review board pursuant to Section 12404 of the
    Education Code.
    (b) If the school attendance review board
    determines that the available public and
    private services are insufficient or
    inappropriate to correct the insubordination or
    habitual truancy of the minor, or if the minor
    fails to respond to directives of the school
    attendance review board or to services
    provided, the minor is then within the
    jurisdiction of the juvenile court which may
    adjudge such person to be a ward of the court.
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    Id.
     The legislature thus required that minors who disobey
    school authorities be referred to a school attendance review
    board before coming within the juvenile court’s jurisdiction.
    In the context of this legislative scheme, it is clear that the
    deletion of “school authorities” and “habitual truan[cy]” from
    section 601 was a purposeful excision. The legislature’s
    considered judgment was that school discipline and
    attendance problems should go to the school attendance
    review boards before the child is referred to juvenile court,
    and that only “persistent[] or habitual[] refus[al] to obey . . .
    school authorities” would suffice. As already discussed, the
    present version of 601 embodies this same basic structure.
    In sum, “custodian” and “school authorities” have long
    held separate meanings in this statute. The non-inclusion of
    minors who are beyond the control of school authorities from
    section 601(a) was no mistake.
    There is still more evidence of the total implausibility of
    the officers’ interpretation of section 601. The current
    provision requires that minors adjudged a ward of the court
    under subsection (b) may only be removed from a parent or
    guardian during school hours. If “custodian” in subsection
    (a) includes school authorities, then a minor may be removed
    from his home if he is adjudged a ward of the court for
    “persistently or habitually refus[ing] to obey” school
    authorities or, as here, for being “beyond the control of”
    school authorities — a result plainly contrary to subsection
    (b)’s considered prohibition against such a practice. Thus,
    even if custodian is a general term that could, in some
    circumstances, encompass school officials, the context in
    which the term appears and the evolution of the statute
    indicate that it does not serve this role in section 601.
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    Moreover, all the cases applying 601(a) to minors who
    disobey or are beyond the control of their custodians refer to
    persons charged with overall custody of a minor, not school
    officials. See, e.g., In re Ronnie P., 
    10 Cal. App. 4th 1079
    ,
    1083 (Ct. App. 1992); In re Rita P., 
    12 Cal. App. 3d 1057
    ,
    1059, 1060 (Ct. App. 1970). Where “custodian” appears
    elsewhere in the California Welfare and Institutions Code and
    the cases applying it, review of its use illustrates that it does
    not refer to schools.
    For example, Welfare and Institutions Code section 777
    requires a noticed hearing before “changing or modifying a
    previous order by removing a minor from the physical
    custody of a parent, guardian, relative, or friend.” 
    Cal. Welf. & Inst. Code § 777
     (emphasis added). And section 601(a)’s
    grouping of custodian with “parents” and “guardian” is
    replicated in Ex parte Moilanen, which holds that “[p]arents,
    guardians or others in whose custody a minor child may be
    found, are entitled to notice of hearings in proceedings
    instituted for the purpose of separating children from
    custodian[s].” 
    104 Cal. App. 2d 835
    , 842 (Dist. Ct. App.
    1951). School administrators and authorities generally do not
    have the type of liberty interest in their relationship with their
    students that carries due process protection.
    Finally, a minor, even one identified as a “runner,” cannot
    properly be deemed “beyond the control of” his custodian for
    refusing to come inside after recess on a single occasion. As
    Judge Paez recounts, examination of the cases interpreting
    section 601(a) illustrates that this section mostly applies to
    runaways — minors who are quite literally “beyond the
    control” of their parents, guardians, or custodians, and for that
    reason properly may be adjudged a ward of the state. See,
    e.g., In re Bettye K., 
    234 Cal. App. 3d 143
    , 150 (Ct. App.
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    1991); In re Ronald S., 
    69 Cal. App. 3d 866
    , 872 (Ct. App.
    1977) (“As a matter of fact, the overwhelming number of
    601's are runaways.”); In re D.J.B., 
    18 Cal. App. 3d 782
    , 787
    (Ct. App. 1971); In re David S., 12 Cal. App. 3d at 1128; In
    re Rita P., 12 Cal. App. 3d at 1059. Construing “beyond the
    control of” a parent, guardian, or custodian to mean a single
    incident of misbehavior, such as sitting on a bench non-
    responsively and refusing to come indoors, would eviscerate
    the critical requirement that out-of-control conduct
    amounting to disobedience must be “persistent[] or
    habitual[]” to fall under 601(a)’s purview.
    In sum, section 601(a) has not been applied to include and
    does not include a single act of defiance of school officials.
    The officers simply had no cause to take C.B. into custody
    under this provision.
    III.
    Nor does qualified immunity insulate the officers from
    C.B.’s Fourth Amendment claims.
    “A police officer, who violates another’s constitutional
    right, will receive qualified immunity from suit under
    
    42 U.S.C. § 1983
     if the right the officer violated was not
    protected by clearly established law at the time he acted.”
    A.D. v. California Highway Patrol, 
    712 F.3d 446
    , 449 (9th
    Cir. 2013). “To be clearly established, the . . . law only must
    have been sufficiently clear that a reasonable official would
    understand that what he [was] doing violate[d] [a
    constitutional] right.” 
    Id.
     (internal quotation marks omitted,
    all but first alteration in original).
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    “By defining the limits of qualified immunity essentially
    in objective terms,” the aim is not to “license . . . lawless
    conduct.” Harlow v. Fitzgerald, 
    457 U.S. 800
    , 819 (1982).
    To the contrary: “Where a reasonable official could be
    expected to know that certain conduct would violate . . .
    constitutional rights, he should be made to hesitate.” 
    Id.
     The
    standard of objective legal reasonableness thus acts to
    safeguard “[t]he public interest in deterrence of unlawful
    conduct and in compensation of victims,” without tying the
    hands of officials acting in situations “in which clearly
    established rights are not implicated.” 
    Id.
    The officers do not argue that, because he was a student,
    C.B. had no Fourth Amendment protections. Nor could they:
    Students do not “shed their constitutional rights . . . at the
    schoolhouse gate.” Tinker v. Des Moines Indep. Cmty. Sch.
    Dist., 
    393 U.S. 503
    , 506 (1969); see T.L.O., 
    469 U.S. at 336
    .
    Thus, the clearly established law at issue in this case is the
    Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable
    seizures and, more particularly, its individualized suspicion
    requirement. This constitutional guarantee protects “the right
    of every individual to the possession and control of his own
    person, free from all restraint or interference of others, unless
    by clear and unquestionable authority of law.” Terry v. Ohio,
    
    392 U.S. 1
    , 9 (1968).
    When law enforcement officials effect a seizure of a
    person without a warrant, as the officers did here, the
    reasonableness requirement generally is satisfied if probable
    cause exists to believe the person is violating the law.
    Skinner v. Railway Labor Executives’ Ass’n, 
    489 U.S. 625
    ,
    624 (1989); Beier v. City of Lewiston, 
    354 F.3d 1058
    , 1071
    (9th Cir. 2004). But a warrantless seizure may, in narrow
    circumstances, survive Fourth Amendment scrutiny where
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    probable cause does not exist. T.L.O., 
    469 U.S. at 340
    . In
    such circumstances, involving, for example, the need to
    investigate and deter possible criminal activity, seizures
    based on “reasonable” suspicions not rising to the level of
    probable cause satisfy the Fourth Amendment. Terry,
    
    392 U.S. at 22
    .
    That the Fourth Amendment guarantee is secured in
    general terms does not assure the officers immunity:
    “[O]fficials can still be on notice that their conduct violates
    established law even in novel factual circumstances.” Hope
    v. Pelzer, 
    536 U.S. 730
    , 741 (2002). And while the general
    terms of the Fourth Amendment’s proscription against
    unreasonable seizures call out for further specificity, Ashcroft
    v. al-Kidd, 
    131 S. Ct. 2074
    , 2084 (2011), case law provided
    this further specificity by the time of C.B.’s 2008 seizure.
    By 2008, the law was clearly established that the
    constitution requires police officers to have some legal cause
    to take children into custody. Crowe v. County of San Diego
    held that a police officer was not entitled to qualified
    immunity for a claim that the 1998 detention of two children
    after the murder of the children’s sister violated the children’s
    Fourth Amendment rights, as the officer “failed to provide
    any justification” for the children’s seizure, 
    608 F.3d 406
    ,
    439 (9th Cir. 2010); Henderson v. Mohave County rejected
    law enforcement’s assertion that qualified immunity
    protected them against a section 1983 suit for taking a child
    into custody, even for the purpose of transporting the child
    from one parent to another, where there was “no excuse” for
    the officers’ seizure of the child, 
    54 F.3d 592
    , 595 (9th Cir.
    1995).
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    Here, the officers acknowledged that their seizure of C.B.
    amounted to an arrest. In assessing the circumstances under
    which a law enforcement officer may take a child into
    temporary custody for being “beyond the control” of a parent,
    guardian, or custodian, the California legislature arrived at a
    reasonable cause standard. 
    Cal. Welf. & Inst. Code § 625
    (a).
    Thus, when law enforcement officers have reasonable cause
    to believe a child falls within the ambit of section 601, they
    may hold the child in temporary detention. 
    Id.
     As the
    officers explained during their testimony, this temporary
    custody could involve transferring custody to the probation
    department or to a private shelter. 
    Cal. Welf. & Inst. Code § 626
    .
    In my view, the police officers could not reasonably have
    believed that they had cause, reasonable or otherwise, to take
    C.B. into custody under section 601(a). I will therefore
    assume that the state statute’s adoption of a reasonable, rather
    than probable, cause standard, is consistent with the
    constitutional guarantee, and will further assume that
    “reasonable cause” is less than “probable cause,” which is not
    self-evident. Still, if the officers could not reasonably have
    believed some cause existed under section 601(a), qualified
    immunity offers them no protection.
    No reasonable officer would have believed that he had
    any cause to take C.B. into custody pursuant to section 601.
    The officers were told that that day C.B. was “out of control,”
    a runner who had not taken his medication, and, in response
    to questioning, that he was not wanted on school grounds.
    But Sonora Elementary obviously was not C.B.’s parent,
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    guardian, or custodian: For the reason I have explained, there
    is just no sensible reading of the statute otherwise.3
    Moreover and separately, the officers’ account assuredly
    did not provide reasonable cause to believe C.B. “persistently
    or habitually refuse[d] to obey . . . reasonable and proper
    orders or directions.” 
    Cal. Welf. & Inst. Code § 601
    (a). Nor
    did it provide reasonable cause to believe that C.B. was
    “beyond the control” of anyone. California law is clear that
    a single act of defiance is generally insufficient to find that a
    minor is beyond the control of a parent, guardian, or
    custodian absent some extraordinarily serious act of defiance.
    See Paez, J., Opin. at 43–44 (citing In re David S., 12 Cal.
    App. 3d at 1128 (holding that a minor who had told his
    mother he would be spending the weekend with friends about
    40 miles from home but who was actually found about 600
    miles away from home attempting to cross the border into
    Mexico was beyond the control of his parents) and In re
    Bettye K., 234 Cal. App. 3d at 149).
    In short, there was no cause, probable, reasonable, or
    otherwise, to take C.B. into temporary custody under section
    601, and no reasonable officer could have believed otherwise.
    As the defense proffered by the officers in this case
    confirms, law enforcement officers enforce the law, not run-
    of-the-mill school discipline.4 And law enforcement officers
    3
    While there was testimony from the defense expert witness that the
    police officers were trained otherwise, flatly erroneous training does not
    establish qualified immunity. See Cal. Att’ys for Criminal Justice v. Butts,
    
    195 F.3d 1039
    , 1049–50 (9th Cir. 1999).
    4
    T.L.O. notes this distinction. 
    469 U.S. at
    341 n.7.
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    alone are authorized to take a child into temporary custody
    upon reasonable cause to believe the child is in violation of
    section 601(a). 
    Cal. Welf. & Inst. Code § 625
    . Because there
    was no cause to believe C.B. could be detained under these
    Welfare Code provisions, and no reasonable officer could
    believe that there was, I would affirm the judgment for C.B.
    on these grounds. I would not manufacture a T.L.O.–based
    law-enforcement-officers-as-school-disciplinarians defense
    never argued to the jury, or us.