Angov v. Holder ( 2015 )


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  •                FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    NIKOLAY IVANOV ANGOV,                    No. 07-74963
    Petitioner,
    Agency No.
    v.                      A096-227-355
    LORETTA E. LYNCH, Attorney
    General,                                ORDER AND
    Respondent.        AMENDED
    OPINION
    On Petition for Review of an Order of the
    Board of Immigration Appeals
    Argued and Submitted
    June 5, 2012—Pasadena, California
    Filed December 4, 2013
    Amended June 8, 2015
    Before: Sidney R. Thomas, Chief Judge, Alex Kozinski
    and Stephen S. Trott, Circuit Judges.
    Opinion by Judge Kozinski;
    Dissent by Chief Judge Thomas
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    SUMMARY*
    Immigration
    The panel withdrew its prior opinion and dissent, filed an
    amended opinion and dissent, denied a petition for panel
    rehearing, and denied on behalf of the court a petition for
    rehearing en banc in a case in which the Board of
    Immigration Appeals denied an application for asylum and
    related relief on adverse credibility grounds based on a State
    Department overseas investigation indicating that petitioner
    had submitted fraudulent evidence.
    The panel held that, on the record, the immigration judge
    acted within his discretion in admitting into evidence a letter
    prepared by the Director of Department of State’s Office of
    Country Reports and Asylum Affairs in Bulgaria (“Bunton
    Letter”), and in relying on it to find that police subpoenas
    petitioner submitted were fraudulent.
    The panel held that as an alien who never formally
    entered the United States, petitioner had no constitutional
    right to procedural due process, and thus the IJ’s reliance on
    the Bunton Letter could not violate procedural due process.
    The panel held that the IJ did not violate petitioner’s statutory
    rights to examine evidence or cross-examine witnesses by
    admitting the letter.
    The panel also held that the IJ’s adverse credibility
    finding based on the fraudulent subpoenas was supported by
    *
    This summary constitutes no part of the opinion of the court. It has
    been prepared by court staff for the convenience of the reader.
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    substantial evidence and went to the heart of petitioner’s
    claim of persecution by the Bulgarian police, and that he
    failed to present other evidence to meet his burden of proof.
    Dissenting, Chief Judge Thomas would hold that
    unsworn, unauthenticated, hearsay letters—prepared for
    litigation by the government and not subject to any form of
    cross-examination—cannot form the sole basis for denying
    asylum to an otherwise qualified applicant.
    COUNSEL
    Nicolette Glazer (argued), Law Offices of Larry R. Glazer,
    Century City, California, for Petitioner.
    Gregory G. Katsas, Assistant Attorney General, Barry J.
    Pettinato, Assistant Director, Jesse Lloyd Busen (argued) and
    Charles E. Canter, Attorneys, United States Department of
    Justice, Civil Division, Washington, D.C., for Respondent.
    ORDER
    The opinion and dissent filed on December 4, 2013, and
    published at 
    736 F.3d 1263
    , are hereby withdrawn and
    replaced by the amended opinion and dissent filed
    concurrently with this order. With these amendments, Judges
    Kozinski and Trott have voted to deny the petition for panel
    rehearing, Judge Kozinski has voted to deny the petition for
    rehearing en banc and Judge Trott has so recommended.
    Chief Judge Thomas has voted to grant the petition for panel
    rehearing and the petition for rehearing en banc. The full
    court has been advised of the petition for rehearing en banc,
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    and no judge requested a vote on whether to rehear the matter
    en banc. Fed. R. App. P. 35. The petitions for panel
    rehearing and rehearing en banc are denied. No further
    petitions for panel rehearing or rehearing en banc will be
    entertained.
    OPINION
    KOZINSKI, Circuit Judge:
    Does an immigration judge err by relying on a State
    Department investigation of an asylum petitioner’s claim?
    I. BACKGROUND
    Nikolay Angov, a Bulgarian citizen, claims he was
    persecuted by the Bulgarian government because he is
    Roma.1 He alleges repeated abuse at the hands of the
    Bulgarian police, including beatings, false accusations of
    crimes and illegitimate arrests. After three years of this
    treatment, he fled Bulgaria and sought asylum in the United
    States.
    An IJ conducted asylum hearings in early 2004, during
    which Angov presented several documents, including two
    Bulgarian subpoenas that ordered him to appear at a Sofia
    police station. The immigration judge (“IJ”) allowed the
    government to obtain a State Department investigation of
    Angov’s allegations. See 
    8 C.F.R. § 208.11
    . The
    investigation was conducted by our consulate in Sofia, and
    1
    Angov’s brief refers to him as “Roma” or “gypsy” interchangeably. So
    do we.
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    the results were summarized in a letter signed by Cynthia
    Bunton, Director of Department of State’s Office of Country
    Reports and Asylum Affairs.
    The IJ admitted the Bunton Letter, which stated that the
    Embassy had contacted “an official in the Archive
    Department at the 5th Police District in Sofia.” The official
    found a number of errors in the subpoenas, suggesting that
    they were forgeries: (1) Three officers named in the
    subpoena—Captain Donkov, Lieutenant Slavkov and
    Investigator Vutov—never worked for the police department;
    (2) the case and telephone numbers were wrong; and
    (3) although the subpoenas mentioned room 4 on the second
    floor of the department and room 5 on the first floor, there are
    no rooms by those numbers. The official also explained
    (4) that the seal on the subpoena was too small.
    Bunton also stated that the embassy investigator (5) was
    unable to locate Angov’s claimed past residences; and (6) that
    the neighborhood where Angov lived was only twenty to
    thirty percent Roma, though Angov claimed that he lived in
    a “gypsy neighborhood.” Attached to the letter were five
    photographs of the places the investigator had visited while
    trying to verify the addresses.
    Angov’s industrious lawyer submitted a plethora of
    rebuttal evidence, including photos, maps, an article about
    Angov’s neighborhood and a letter apparently signed by
    someone named Daniela Mihaylova, who identified herself as
    the legal programs director of a Roma human rights
    organization in Bulgaria. Angov also argued that, without the
    opportunity to cross-examine the investigator, the admission
    of the Bunton Letter would violate his statutory and
    constitutional rights.
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    In response to Angov’s objection, the government
    attorney asked the State Department to produce an employee
    to testify about the investigation. State responded with a
    letter authored by Nadia Tongour, Bunton’s successor. The
    Tongour Letter provided some general background
    information on State’s investigation procedures, but
    explained that it’s State’s policy to refrain from providing
    further specific information about an overseas investigation.
    Based on the Bunton Letter, the IJ made an adverse
    credibility finding and denied Angov’s applications for
    asylum, withholding of removal and relief under the
    Convention Against Torture. The Board of Immigration
    Appeals (“BIA”) adopted and affirmed the IJ’s ruling denying
    relief, and his determination that the subpoenas are
    fraudulent. The BIA also denied Angov’s motion to
    supplement the record with a recent Sixth Circuit opinion that
    Angov claimed constituted new evidence of a “pattern and
    practice” of law-breaking by officials in the Sofia consulate.
    See Alexandrov v. Gonzales, 
    442 F.3d 395
     (6th Cir. 2006).
    II. ANALYSIS
    A. Motion to Remand
    Angov claims the BIA abused its discretion by denying
    his motion. See Movsisian v. Ashcroft, 
    395 F.3d 1095
    , 1098
    (9th Cir. 2005). His brief before the BIA spent just two
    sentences explaining this argument:
    Respondent respectfully submits a copy of
    Alexandrov v. Gonzales to supplement the
    record in this case. The document is
    submitted to document a pattern and practice
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    of procedural and substantive violations of the
    law and applicable regulations by the
    consulate in Sofia during overseas
    investigations and in divulging the identity of
    asylum applicants to the authorities in
    Bulgaria in violation of C.F.R. 208.6 [sic].
    “Since a motion to remand is so similar to a motion to
    reopen, the motion to remand should be drafted in conformity
    with the regulations pertinent to motions to reopen . . . .”
    Rodriguez v. INS, 
    841 F.2d 865
    , 867 (9th Cir. 1988) (internal
    quotation marks omitted). The applicable regulation provides
    that a motion to reopen shall state “the new facts that will be
    proven at a hearing to be held if the motion is granted” and be
    supported by affidavits or other “evidentiary material.”
    
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.2
    (c)(1). But Angov didn’t provide any
    evidence supporting his motion nor did he even explain why
    he believed that section 208.6 had been violated.2 The BIA
    did not abuse its discretion in denying Angov’s motion to
    remand.
    B. Admission of the Bunton Letter
    Angov claims that the admission of, and the IJ’s and
    BIA’s reliance on, the Bunton Letter violated his statutory
    and constitutional rights. See 8 U.S.C. § 1229a(b)(4)(B);
    2
    
    8 C.F.R. § 208.6
    (a) provides that “[i]nformation contained in or
    pertaining to any asylum application . . . shall not be disclosed without the
    written consent of the applicant.” Angov argues that Alexandrov “exposed
    the improprieties that have riddled overseas investigations in the Sofia
    consulate,” including that investigations were often conducted by foreign
    service nationals, that someone other than a consular officer could have
    authored embassy reports and that consular officials often signed reports
    written by others. None of these arguments were presented to the BIA.
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    8 C.F.R. § 1240.10
    (a)(4); Cinapian v. Holder, 
    567 F.3d 1067
    ,
    1074–75 (9th Cir. 2009). In considering Angov’s argument,
    we review the IJ’s decision, except for the portion that the
    BIA didn’t clearly adopt—here, the IJ’s conclusion that the
    Department of State’s inability to verify Angov’s addresses
    supported an adverse credibility finding. See Joseph v.
    Holder, 
    600 F.3d 1235
    , 1239–40 (9th Cir. 2010). On that
    issue, we review the BIA’s decision.
    While we review legal questions de novo, “[t]he BIA’s
    interpretation and application of the immigration laws are
    generally entitled to deference.” Hernandez-Mancilla v.
    Holder, 
    633 F.3d 1182
    , 1184 (9th Cir. 2011); Zetino v.
    Holder, 
    622 F.3d 1007
    , 1011–12 (9th Cir. 2010). The
    agency’s factual findings—such as its adverse credibility
    determination—are reviewed for substantial evidence and can
    be reversed only if the evidence “compels” a contrary
    conclusion. See Rizk v. Holder, 
    629 F.3d 1083
    , 1087–88 (9th
    Cir. 2011) (emphasis omitted).
    (i) Due Process
    Angov claims that the IJ’s reliance on the Bunton Letter
    violated his constitutional right to procedural due process.
    But Angov has no such right. He is an alien who has never
    formally entered the United States. He presented himself at
    the San Ysidro port of entry without valid entry documents
    and sought asylum. “[A]n alien seeking admission has not
    ‘entered’ the United States, even if [he] is in fact physically
    present.” Kwai Fun Wong v. United States, 
    373 F.3d 952
    ,
    971 (9th Cir. 2004). “[O]ur immigration laws have long
    made a distinction between those aliens who have come to
    our shores seeking admission . . . and those who are within
    the United States after an entry.” Leng May Ma v. Barber,
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    357 U.S. 185
    , 187 (1958). Aliens “who have once passed
    through our gates, even illegally,” are afforded the full
    panoply of procedural due process protections, and “may be
    expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional
    standards of fairness.” Shaughnessy v. United States ex rel.
    Mezei, 
    345 U.S. 206
    , 212 (1953). But those, like Angov, who
    have never technically “entered” the United States have no
    such rights. 
    Id.
     For Angov, procedural due process is simply
    “[w]hatever the procedure authorized by Congress” happens
    to be. 
    Id.
     (internal quotation marks omitted); see also Landon
    v. Plasencia, 
    459 U.S. 21
    , 32 (1982) (“[A]n alien seeking
    initial admission to the United States requests a privilege and
    has no constitutional rights regarding his application . . . .”).
    Angov’s claim of a procedural due process violation
    simply can’t be squared with the Supreme Court’s teachings
    in Mezei and Landon, nor with our circuit’s settled precedent.
    See Barrera-Echavarria v. Rison, 
    44 F.3d 1441
    , 1449 (9th
    Cir. 1995) (“[E]xcludable aliens have no procedural due
    process rights in the admission process . . . .”).3
    3
    We note that four circuits have held that reliance on documents like the
    Bunton Letter in asylum proceedings violates due process. See Banat v.
    Holder, 
    557 F.3d 886
    , 892–93 (8th Cir. 2009); Anim v. Mukasey, 
    535 F.3d 243
    , 256–58 (4th Cir. 2008); Alexandrov, 
    442 F.3d at 407
    ; Ezeagwuna v.
    Ashcroft, 
    325 F.3d 396
    , 405–08 (3d Cir. 2003). Because Angov does not
    have a constitutional right to procedural due process, that question is not
    before us. We also note that two other circuits have held that asylum
    applicants like Angov are entitled to certain “minimum due process” rights
    in the application of their statutory rights. See Marincas v. Lewis, 
    92 F.3d 195
    , 203–04 (3d Cir. 1996); Augustin v. Sava, 
    735 F.2d 32
    , 37 (2d Cir.
    1984); see also Meachum v. Fano, 
    427 U.S. 215
    , 226 (1976). Whether
    asylum applicants are owed such “minimum due process” is an open
    question in our circuit, but it is not one we need to resolve here. Angov
    was clearly given fair access to all his statutory rights. What he asks for
    instead are due process protections that go beyond those which Congress
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    (ii) Statutory Rights
    Angov’s challenge to the admission of the Bunton Letter
    is therefore purely statutory. In assessing such a challenge,
    we must first ask whether the IJ made legal error by denying
    Angov any of his statutory rights. Angov claims that he was
    denied his right to examine evidence against him. See
    8 U.S.C. § 1229a(b)(4)(B). But the record tells a different
    story. He was allowed to examine the Bunton Letter, and
    given ample time to produce substantial evidence to rebut it.
    See p. 5 supra; cf. Cinapian, 
    567 F.3d at 1076
     (had the
    government given petitioners a chance to examine forensic
    reports before hearing, they may have been able to produce
    rebuttal evidence).
    Angov also argues that he was denied his statutory right
    to cross-examine the witnesses against him. We’ve held that,
    before hearsay statements made by an absent witness can be
    admitted into an immigration hearing, “‘the government must
    make a reasonable effort . . . to afford the alien a reasonable
    opportunity to confront the witnesses against him or her.’”
    Hernandez-Guadarrama v. Ashcroft, 
    394 F.3d 674
    , 681 (9th
    Cir. 2005) (quoting Saidane v. INS, 
    129 F.3d 1063
    , 1065 (9th
    Cir. 1997)); see also § 1229a(b)(4)(B); Baliza v. INS,
    
    709 F.2d 1231
    , 1234 (9th Cir. 1983).
    The government is, of course, not required to produce
    Bulgarian police officials at an immigration hearing in the
    United States. Such a requirement would make it virtually
    impossible for the government to introduce evidence
    rebutting an alien’s claims relating to conduct abroad.
    has provided him. But, as an alien who has never entered the United
    States, those protections are unavailable to him.
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    Instead Angov, and the dissent, claim that the immigration
    authorities should have obtained a witness from the
    Department of State to verify the letter’s contents. But
    hauling State Department officials into court wouldn’t
    ameliorate the dissent’s concerns, because the letters they
    author inescapably rely on foreign officials who aren’t
    amenable to cross-examination.
    In any event, the government here did make a reasonable
    effort to obtain a State Department witness, but was
    prevented from doing so by State’s policy of not releasing
    follow-up information regarding its overseas investigations.
    The dissent claims that “allowing one executive branch
    agency to rely on another executive branch agency’s blanket
    policy of refusing to provide certain information is
    tantamount to granting the government the kind of unfettered
    discretion we repudiated in Baliza.” But Baliza offers no
    support to the dissent’s position. There the government relied
    on the affidavit of an alien’s ex-wife as the basis for a
    fraudulent marriage charge while barely even trying to
    investigate her whereabouts. The declarant was not a
    government official and the government gave no justification
    for failing to find her. By contrast, the declarant here is a
    government official speaking in her official capacity. And
    the immigration authorities’ decision not to present her in
    person was made pursuant to a coordinate department’s
    reasonable policy governing the secrecy and safety of its
    officers. Because neither the immigration authorities nor the
    State Department acted unreasonably in failing to compel
    Bunton to testify, Angov’s statutory rights were not violated.
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    (iii) Substantial Evidence
    Because the IJ did not erroneously deny Angov a
    statutory right, our review is limited to whether the IJ’s
    adverse credibility finding was supported by substantial
    evidence. “This strict standard bars a reviewing court from
    independently weighing the evidence,” and requires us to
    “deny the Petition unless Petitioner [has] presented evidence
    so compelling that no reasonable factfinder could find that
    Petitioner” was not credible. Singh v. INS, 
    134 F.3d 962
    , 966
    (9th Cir. 1998) (internal quotation marks omitted).
    Despite the generally flexible—and highly deferential—
    nature of substantial evidence review, Angov appears to
    argue for a per se rule under which immigration judges must
    blind themselves to the findings of a State Department letter,
    unless it provides particular information regarding how an
    investigation was conducted. Surprisingly, Angov’s radical
    proposal accords with the view of the Second Circuit, which
    has held that a document akin to the Bunton Letter was
    “inherently unreliable” because it didn’t reveal the
    qualifications of the investigator, the extent of the
    investigation or the methods used to verify the information.
    Lin v. U.S. Dep’t of Justice, 
    459 F.3d 255
    , 271–72 (2d Cir.
    2006). Under Second Circuit law, therefore, documents like
    the Bunton Letter categorically “cannot support [an] adverse
    credibility finding.” 
    Id. at 272
    . We reject this approach.
    Substantial evidence review requires an appellate court to
    consider the reasonableness of an agency’s conclusions; it
    does not empower us to craft quasi-statutory criteria
    governing the admissibility of evidence in agency
    proceedings. In light of our departure from the holding of a
    sister circuit—one with the second-largest immigration
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    docket in the country—we offer a thorough explanation for
    our rationale.
    1. Congress and the Attorney General have accorded
    aliens like Angov a variety of procedural rights, including the
    right to be present at the hearing; to be represented by
    counsel; to examine the evidence against him and present
    counter-evidence; to cross-examine witnesses; and to have a
    written record kept of the proceedings.              8 U.S.C.
    § 1229a(b)(4). But neither the statute nor the regulations give
    the asylum applicant a right to a particular quality of the
    evidence presented against him. Instead, he is given the right
    to have an impartial adjudicator assess the evidence. When
    exercising grace towards individuals entitled no procedural
    rights under the constitution, Congress can set the precise
    limits of what it grants and what it withholds. That then
    defines the process an asylum seeker like Angov is due.
    With that in mind, let’s put Angov’s claims into some
    context. The IJ found that Angov presented forged
    documents. This is a serious matter that, if true, should not
    merely result in the immediate termination of Angov’s
    asylum petition, but also in criminal prosecution for
    immigration fraud. But the IJ wasn’t fazed by discovery of
    the fraud; he went on to decide whether Angov’s asylum
    claim could be sustained despite the forgeries. No other
    adjudicator in the United States would react with such
    equanimity to finding that a party had tried to bamboozle it.
    This points to an unfortunate reality that makes
    immigration cases so different from all other American
    adjudications: Fraud, forgery and fabrication are so
    common—and so difficult to prove—that they are routinely
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    tolerated. Our circuit is no exception. See Abovian v. INS,
    
    257 F.3d 971
     (9th Cir. 2001) (Kozinski, J., dissental).
    The reason for this deplorable state of affairs is not
    difficult to figure out. The schizophrenic way we administer
    our immigration laws creates an environment where lying and
    forgery are difficult to disprove, richly rewarded if successful
    and rarely punished if unsuccessful. This toxic combination
    creates a moral hazard to which many asylum applicants fall
    prey.
    First, the reward: the opportunity to be lawfully admitted
    into the United States. Those born with U.S. citizenship
    cannot imagine what this is worth to the world’s poor and
    oppressed billions, most of whom would come here tomorrow
    if they could. Gaining a lawful foothold in America is an
    incalculable benefit. It sets an immigrant on the path to a
    peaceful life in a free society, economic prosperity,
    citizenship and the opportunity to bring family members in
    due course. A prize like this is worth a great deal of expense
    and risk. Telling an elaborate lie, and coming up with forged
    documents and mendacious witnesses to back it up, is nothing
    at all when the stakes are so high.
    And the risk of getting caught is low. As eight members
    of this court pointed out in Abovian:
    The specific facts supporting a petitioner’s
    asylum claim—when, where, why and by
    whom he was allegedly persecuted—are
    peculiarly within the petitioner’s grasp. By
    definition, they will have happened at some
    time in the past—often many years ago—in a
    foreign country. In order for the INS to
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    present evidence “refuting or in any way
    contradicting” petitioner’s testimony, it would
    have to conduct a costly and often fruitless
    investigation abroad, trying to prove a
    negative—that the incidents petitioner alleges
    did not happen.
    
    257 F.3d at 976
    . There’s very little the United States can do
    to investigate obscure incidents that allegedly occurred in
    countries on the other side of the globe. Even if it were
    economically feasible, we can’t send the FBI into a foreign
    country to conduct a full field investigation. The best we can
    do is to have consular personnel check basic facts, in addition
    to the many other functions they perform. And we have very
    few U.S. consular personnel on the ground in most countries;
    in all of Bulgaria, there are fewer than two dozen. See U.S.
    Sec’y of State, 1 Congressional Budget Justification,
    Department of State Operations, Fiscal Year 2013, at 306
    (2012). All told, there are fewer than 6000 consular officials
    in embassies and consulates spread out across more than 170
    countries. 
    Id.
     at 227–311.
    Finally, if an alien does get caught lying or committing
    fraud, nothing very bad happens to him. Sure, he may be
    ordered removed, but most aliens who aren’t in custody
    remain here long after their removal orders become final.
    See, e.g., Office of the Inspector Gen., U.S. Dep’t of Justice,
    The Immigration and Naturalization Service’s Removal of
    Aliens Issued Final Orders iii (2003) (reporting that “the INS
    removed only 3 percent of nondetained asylum seekers with
    final removal orders”); see also Mark Hamblett, Circuit Sets
    Policy for Removal Cases Deemed Low Priority by U.S., N.Y.
    L.J., Oct. 18, 2012 (discussing policy that calls for “the
    exercise of prosecutorial discretion to focus removal efforts
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    on the most high-priority cases”). And if they do get sent
    back—at our expense—what’s lost? They wind up where
    they started. Would-be immigrants almost never get
    prosecuted for presenting forged documents in support of
    asylum petitions, unless they commit some additional
    misconduct. See, e.g., United States v. Jawara, 
    474 F.3d 565
    ,
    570 (9th Cir. 2007) (defendant charged with document fraud
    and conspiracy to commit marriage fraud). Consequently,
    immigration fraud is rampant.
    Take, for instance, Angov’s compatriot, Pavel Pavlov.
    Pavlov sought asylum as a persecuted gypsy, just like Angov.
    They even have the same lawyer. But Pavlov’s story took a
    different turn when his wife gained U.S. citizenship and he
    sought adjustment of status. In the process, he had to disclose
    that his asylum application was a tissue of lies. Specifically,
    Pavlov admitted that he wasn’t persecuted in Bulgaria. In
    fact, he’s not even a gypsy.
    Americans galore wind up in federal prison every year for
    far less significant lies on government forms or bank loan
    applications. See, e.g., United States v. Prince, 
    647 F.3d 1257
    , 1260–61, 1265 (10th Cir. 2011); United States v.
    Sandlin, 
    589 F.3d 749
    , 751–53 (5th Cir. 2009); United States
    v. Jack, 216 F. App’x 840, 841–43 (11th Cir. 2007). So was
    Pavlov appealing his criminal conviction? Certainly not. The
    BIA barred Pavlov from obtaining any relief under our
    immigration laws because he had filed a frivolous (read:
    fraudulent) asylum petition—a decision he had the chutzpah
    to appeal. See Pavlov v. Holder, 
    697 F.3d 616
     (7th Cir.
    2012).
    Cases involving fraudulent asylum claims are
    distressingly common. See, e.g., Cheema v. Holder, 693 F.3d
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    1045, 1046–47 (9th Cir. 2012); Dol v. Holder, 492 F. App’x
    774, 775 (9th Cir. 2012); Zheng v. Holder, 
    672 F.3d 178
    ,
    180–81 (2d Cir. 2012); Fernandes v. Holder, 
    619 F.3d 1069
    ,
    1074–76 (9th Cir. 2010); Ghazali v. Holder, 
    585 F.3d 289
    ,
    290–91 (6th Cir. 2009); Ribas v. Mukasey, 
    545 F.3d 922
    ,
    925–26 (10th Cir. 2008); Siddique v. Mukasey, 
    547 F.3d 814
    ,
    815–16 (7th Cir. 2008); Rafiyev v. Mukasey, 
    536 F.3d 853
    ,
    855–57 (8th Cir. 2008); Dhital v. Mukasey, 
    532 F.3d 1044
    ,
    1047–48 (9th Cir. 2008) (per curiam); Chen v. Mukasey,
    
    527 F.3d 935
    , 938–39 (9th Cir. 2008); Ahir v. Mukasey,
    
    527 F.3d 912
    , 914–16 (9th Cir. 2008). And for every case
    where the fraud is discovered or admitted, there are doubtless
    scores of others where the petitioner gets away with it
    because our government didn’t have the resources to expose
    the lie.
    The Second Circuit has given this already shaky system
    a swift kick in the gut. As we explain further below, its
    ruling makes it pretty much impossible for the immigration
    authorities to carry out even the little bit of fact checking they
    now manage to do. Its decision smothers the State
    Department’s informal process of checking up on asylum
    petitions in layers of procedural complexity that will prove
    impossible to administer in practice. Perhaps the Supreme
    Court or Congress will intervene and decide who’s right.
    2. The basic question that confronts us is this: In a
    system where there are pervasive, structural incentives for
    fraud, are we to disable our triers of fact from considering
    certain evidence—which may be essential to weeding out
    fraudulent claims—when that evidence lacks particular
    details that may bear on its reliability? Remember, the
    Second Circuit regards documents like the Bunton Letter as
    inherently unreliable. We need not—and do not—conclude
    18                    ANGOV V. HOLDER
    that such letters will always lead to adverse credibility
    findings; we simply disclaim the conclusion that they must be
    excluded from an immigration judge’s consideration when
    they fail to provide sufficient identifying detail.
    We acknowledge the Bunton Letter lacks certain indicia
    of reliability, but we cannot say, under our “extremely
    deferential” review, that its use alone constitutes grounds to
    reverse the IJ’s adverse credibility determination. Wang v.
    INS., 
    352 F.3d 1250
    , 1257 (9th Cir. 2003). First of all, Angov
    has the burden of proving his eligibility for asylum. See
    
    8 C.F.R. § 1208.13
    (a). The government has no burden; it can
    present evidence solely to rebut or impeach petitioner’s case.
    The IJ and the BIA could reasonably conclude that the
    Bunton Letter is at least sufficient to cast doubt on Angov’s
    evidence and force him to come up with more solid proof to
    support his claim.
    Angov finds fault with the Bunton Letter because it
    “provides no information as to who conducted the
    investigation; who obtained, stored and verified the
    information underlying the conclusion expressed in the
    document [or] when and under what authority the
    investigation was conducted.” He notes that the Bunton
    Letter offers no explanation for many of its conclusions—for
    example, that both the case numbers and the telephone
    numbers listed on the fraudulent subpoenas were incorrect.
    These are all interesting points to raise at the hearing, and the
    absence of a satisfactory response from the government might
    well convince the trier of fact to disregard the letter. But in
    this instance, the IJ, in his discretion, chose to credit the
    letter. That was his prerogative, and our review is limited to
    whether that decision is permissible in light of the evidence.
    ANGOV V. HOLDER                         19
    The doubts as to the letter’s reliability flow from the fact
    that the rules of evidence, and the hearsay rules in particular,
    don’t apply to administrative proceedings. See Richardson v.
    Perales, 
    402 U.S. 389
    , 400–02 (1971); Hernandez-
    Guadarrama v. Ashcroft, 
    394 F.3d 674
    , 681 (9th Cir. 2005).
    This inevitably leaves some uncertainty that would be
    eliminated if this were a formal trial subject to the rules of
    evidence. But it doesn’t deprive the opposing party of any
    and all means of rebutting the hearsay declarant’s assertions.
    The Bunton Letter does come to certain factual
    conclusions: that the addresses identified by Angov in his
    asylum petition don’t exist; that the officers—Captain
    Donkov, Lieutenant Slavkov and Investigator Vutov—and
    room numbers specified in the subpoenas presented by Angov
    don’t exist; that the seals on the subpoenas are the wrong
    size; and that the part of the city where Angov claimed to live
    was only twenty to thirty percent Roma. Each of these
    assertions describes facts in the real world, so it’s possible to
    rebut Bunton by presenting proof that those facts are not as
    the Bunton Letter describes them.
    In fact, Angov did precisely that with respect to the two
    addresses. He presented a letter from someone in Bulgaria,
    who explained that the Bunton Letter’s conclusions about the
    addresses are wrong. See p. 5 supra; Appendix. And the BIA
    seems to have been swayed, as it noted that the “record is
    unclear” about whether Angov was telling the truth about the
    addresses.
    Angov was free to present similar evidence to undermine
    the Bunton Letter’s statements about the subpoenas. He
    could have had Ms. Mihaylova from the human rights
    organization or some other friend in Sofia visit the police
    20                    ANGOV V. HOLDER
    station and try to find out whether the rooms referenced in the
    Bunton Letter do or don’t exist. He might also have been
    able to obtain a roster of the names of police officials in Sofia
    and shown that it contains the names of the officers
    referenced in the subpoenas.
    The Bunton Letter also asserts that the phone numbers in
    the subpoenas aren’t correct. Angov or one of his friends
    could have called the numbers and asked whether he’d
    reached the police station—and then submitted an affidavit to
    that effect. The same is true about the seals: Angov or his
    friends might have tried to obtain an official copy of the
    police seal from the Bulgarian government and introduced it
    into evidence. He did none of these things, perhaps because
    he knew that the subpoenas were forged.
    Where the petitioner has the burden of proof, there’s
    nothing unfair about having a U.S. government agent check
    out some of his basic facts and inform the IJ of possible
    discrepancies. This forces the petitioner to obtain further
    evidence supporting the challenged claims. There might be
    situations where obtaining further evidence is impossible,
    such as where the petitioner has fled from a closed society
    and can find no one willing or able to obtain the evidence he
    needs. In such cases, we don’t hold the petitioner’s failure to
    present evidence against him. See Singh v. Holder, 
    638 F.3d 1264
    , 1270–71 (9th Cir. 2011). But Angov has never claimed
    that he couldn’t get more evidence; indeed he has resources
    in Bulgaria with which to do so. Based on the almost
    complete absence of rebuttal evidence on Angov’s part, the
    IJ was not unreasonable to credit the allegations in the Bunton
    Letter.
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    3. There’s nothing particularly exotic about assessing an
    asylum applicant’s credibility by comparison with an
    extrinsic source. For example, the Bunton Letter’s estimate
    that Angov comes from a community that is only twenty to
    thirty percent Roma is similar to the kind of demographic
    estimates made by the State Department in its country
    reports, on which we and the BIA rely all the time. See, e.g.,
    Dhillon v. Holder, 485 Fed. App’x 252, 253 (9th Cir. 2012);
    Patel v. Holder, 474 F. App’x 584, 585 (9th Cir. 2012); Sesay
    v. Holder, 469 F. App’x 617, 617 (9th Cir. 2012); see also
    Sowe v. Mukasey, 
    538 F.3d 1281
    , 1285 (9th Cir. 2008) (“U.S.
    Department of State country reports are the most appropriate
    and perhaps the best resource for information on political
    situations in foreign nations.” (internal quotation marks
    omitted)); cf. 
    8 U.S.C. § 1158
    (b)(1)(B)(iii).
    Were we to hold that we can’t rely on this estimate in the
    Bunton Letter, we’d be casting doubt on a multitude of
    country reports that have no better support for their
    demographic estimates than the Bunton Letter. The country
    reports are, after all, prepared by the very same consular
    officials, using some of the same methods, as the Bunton
    Letter. See Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights & Labor,
    U.S. Dep’t of State, Country Reports on Human Rights
    Practices for 2012: Appendix A: Notes on Preparation of
    Reports, at 1 (2012). Indeed, Cynthia Bunton’s title when she
    wrote her letter was director of the Department of State’s
    “Office of Country Reports and Asylum Affairs.” (emphasis
    added). Nadia Tongour is her successor. Adopting Angov’s
    objection to the findings in the Bunton Letter could render
    country reports inadmissible in immigration proceedings.
    Angov complains that the Bunton Letter might have relied
    on reports from foreign service nationals (FSNs). See
    22                   ANGOV V. HOLDER
    Ezeagwuna, 
    325 F.3d at 406
    . What if it did? Our embassy in
    Sofia, as elsewhere, employs roughly the same number of
    FSNs and Americans. U.S. Sec’y of State, 1 Congressional
    Budget Justification, Department of State Operations, Fiscal
    Year 2013, at 306 (2012). Our short-staffed consular offices
    no doubt use FSNs, who are fluent in the local language and
    familiar with local conditions, to do some of the legwork.
    We see nothing wrong with that. Whether the investigation
    was conducted by U.S. citizens, FSNs or Hercule Poirot, it
    resulted in certain factual conclusions that can be refuted.
    Submissions such as the Bunton Letter and the various
    country reports on which we routinely rely aren’t just a
    collection of statements by disconnected individuals. Rather,
    they are the unified work product of a U.S. government
    agency carrying out governmental responsibilities. As such,
    the report itself, and the acts of the various individuals who
    helped prepare it, are clothed with a presumption of
    regularity. See Nat’l Archives & Records Admin. v. Favish,
    
    541 U.S. 157
    , 174 (2004); see also Kohli v. Gonzales,
    
    473 F.3d 1061
    , 1068 (9th Cir. 2007). “[I]n the absence of
    clear evidence to the contrary, courts presume that [these
    individuals] have properly discharged their official duties.”
    Favish, 
    541 U.S. at 174
     (quoting United States v. Armstrong,
    
    517 U.S. 456
    , 464 (1996)).
    The presumption of regularity has been applied far and
    wide to many functions performed by government officials.
    See, e.g., U.S. Postal Serv. v. Gregory, 
    534 U.S. 1
    , 10 (2001)
    (Post Office disciplinary procedures); United States v.
    Armstrong, 
    517 U.S. 456
    , 464 (1996) (prosecutorial decision
    making); FCC v. Schreiber, 
    381 U.S. 279
    , 296 (1965) (FCC’s
    decision making process); cf. INS v. Miranda, 
    459 U.S. 14
    ,
    16–18 (1982) (per curiam) (processing of visa application).
    ANGOV V. HOLDER                        23
    The Bunton Letter is entitled to the presumption that
    those who participated in its preparation, be they FSNs,
    consular officers or officials at the State Department in
    Washington, did their jobs fairly, conscientiously and
    thoroughly; that each officer in the chain relied on the work
    of someone down the chain in whom he had confidence; that
    no one had a personal stake in the substance of the report; and
    that no one lied or fabricated evidence. Without this
    presumption, country reports would be no more useful than
    the Farmers’ Almanac or Perezhilton.com.
    The dissent argues that the presumption of regularity
    doesn’t apply here because “[t]he key hearsay statement in
    the Bunton Letter comes from a Bulgarian police employee,
    not a U.S. government official.” But that would remain true,
    even with the procedural protections the Second Circuit
    advocates. Those protections don’t prevent Bulgarian police
    officers from lying, they simply make it easier for an IJ to
    assess the quality of investigation conducted by our consular
    officials—the very officials we presume reliable. As with a
    country report, the information in a consular letter may be
    based, in part, on hard-to-verify statements made by local
    officials. That’s a reason to take the information contained in
    such letters with a grain of salt—as an IJ is entitled to
    do—not a reason to deem them inadmissible in their entirety.
    The similarities between the Bunton Letter and the litany
    of documents used, and accepted, in everyday asylum
    adjudications speaks to a fundamental misapprehension on
    the part of the Second Circuit and the dissent. Immigration
    adjudication necessarily requires consideration of all manner
    of imperfect sources. But we do neither immigrants nor the
    immigration authorities a service by cabining the range of
    permissible documents on which a trier of fact can rely in
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    making his decision. In assessing whether an incident
    occurred years ago in a faraway country with an unfamiliar
    culture and political system, an immigration judge must be
    able to read, assess and weigh as much information as
    possible. True, dismissing a petition in reliance on an
    unsworn letter might seem harsh; but so is dismissing a
    petition based on relatively minor testimonial inconsistencies
    in the convoluted story of an immigrant who may have only
    a weak command of English and a hazy memory of his flight
    from terror. Harshness is endemic to any asylum system.
    Here, the IJ came to the conclusion that the unrefuted
    contents of the Bunton Letter cast doubt on the subpoenas
    Angov presented as evidence. Do we really better serve
    justice, or the immigration process more generally, by
    compelling the IJ to either accept the dubious subpoenas as
    genuine, or base his review solely on his instincts as to what
    a Bulgarian subpoena “should” look like?
    An implicit assumption of the Second Circuit’s approach
    is that the exclusion of documents such as the Bunton Letter
    will lead, not to reliance on capricious information, but to the
    proliferation of more comprehensive and reliable State
    Department investigations. There’s no reason to believe that
    will happen. The asylum unit of the Department of State’s
    Office of Country Reports and Asylum Affairs “has suffered
    from long standing resource problems.” Office of the
    Inspector Gen., U.S. Dep’t of State, Report of Inspection:
    Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor 23 (2003).
    Many of its staffers are interns, and even its regular
    employees are often “pressed into service to work” on the
    Office’s other main responsibility: country reports. 
    Id.
     at
    23–24. And the consular officers tasked with verifying
    asylum applicants’ claims are also overworked and
    understaffed.        The Tongour Letter expresses the
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    government’s position on providing additional information
    about the results of an overseas investigation: “Such
    additional demands are further burdens on Consular Officers
    in the performance of their regular responsibilities and are
    particularly onerous for FSNs who may be subject to local
    reprisal.” The State Department tells us it’s doing the best it
    can with the scant resources allocated to it and our consular
    corps abroad.
    Demanding that the reports contain a multitude of
    additional details, such as “the identity and qualifications of
    the investigator(s),” “the objective and extent of the
    investigation” and “the methods used to verify the
    information discovered,” see Lin, 
    459 F.3d at 271
    , transforms
    a process that is swift, efficient and informal into one that’s
    ponderous, time-consuming and expensive.
    Insisting on these procedures would paralyze the process,
    making it impossible for our consular officers to do many of
    these investigations because they’re too busy filling in all the
    jots and tittles our sister circuit enshrines as pre-requisites for
    a document’s admission. Complying with such requirements
    considerably lengthens the time it takes to write most reports,
    and may make it impossible to write others for fear of
    disclosing sensitive information that could compromise
    sources or impair relations with local officials.
    Nor is it realistic for the government to produce such
    information in camera. These reports are prepared by
    Department of State officials stationed in foreign countries,
    and are then turned over to another agency in another
    department, which then releases them to an adverse party.
    These disclosures are made in the context of immigration
    court proceedings, not in district court, and the immigration
    26                   ANGOV V. HOLDER
    court, despite its name, is an executive branch agency. It has
    no contempt powers and can’t have anyone arrested for
    violating its orders, including confidentiality orders. See
    Stephen H. Legomsky, Restructuring Immigration
    Adjudication, 
    59 Duke L.J. 1635
    , 1674, 1714 (2010); Dana
    Leigh Marks, Still a Legal “Cinderella”? Why the
    Immigration Courts Remain an Ill-Treated Stepchild Today,
    59 Fed. Law., Mar. 2012, 25, at 30. There’s a good chance
    the information will fall into the hands of people who have
    little regard for U.S. law and find themselves repatriated with
    a motive for revenge. Consular officials forced to disclose
    sensitive information in these circumstances would probably
    leave the information out of the report rather than risk
    burning their sources, offending local officials or losing their
    lives.
    If we make the job of compiling these reports
    substantially more risky and onerous, the State Department
    may stop writing them. The United States gets close to
    74,000 asylum cases a year, far more than any other
    industrialized nation. See United Nations High Comm’r for
    Refugees, Asylum Levels and Trends in Industrialized
    Countries 3, 8 & n.14 (2011). (That’s more than three times
    the number of Social Security cases the Supreme Court
    considered massive in Perales). The use of reports from
    consular officials gives the government the ability to check
    facts and puts at least some constraint on how far from the
    truth asylum applicants will stray. Knocking out even this
    most basic check on fraud and fabrication would subvert the
    asylum process, giving charlatans a free pass into the United
    States.
    4. In any event, even if the Second Circuit’s approach
    were to encourage more detailed State Department letters,
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    such “faith in procedural choreography” as a truth-seeking
    device is “fundamentally flawed.” United States v. Balough,
    
    820 F.2d 1485
    , 1491 (9th Cir. 1987) (Kozinski, J.,
    concurring). Requiring the Department of State to disclose
    more details will neither materially enhance the reliability of
    the resulting report nor do very much to help asylum
    applicants.
    We test this proposition by modifying a portion of the
    Bunton Letter to comply with the requirements that would
    (presumably) satisfy the Second Circuit; new or modified
    language is italicized:
    Agent Michael Smith, a foreign service
    agent with seventeen years of field experience
    who is fluent in Bulgarian, ordered Vladimir
    Popov, a foreign service national in the
    Embassy’s employ, to visit the 5th Police
    District station in Sofia in order to seek
    authentication of the two subpoenas. FSN
    Popov is a lifelong resident of Sofia and has
    worked for the Embassy for two years. He is
    fluent in Bulgarian and speaks conversational
    English.
    FSN Popov traveled to the station and,
    once there, spoke to Ludmilla Bogdanovich,
    who is the supervisor of personnel records at
    the station. FSN Popov considers Ms.
    Bogdanovich a trustworthy source. After she
    consulted the relevant records, Ms.
    Bogdanovich told FSN Popov that Captain
    Donkov, Lieutenant Slavkov and Investigator
    Vutov have never worked for the 5th Police
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    District. Ms. Bogdanovich also told FSN
    Popov that the case numbers on the subpoenas
    were not correct, there was no room 4 on the
    second floor and no room 5 on the first floor
    and that the telephone numbers on the
    subpoenas were incorrect. While at the
    station, FSN Popov asked Ms. Bogdanovich
    for an imprint of the police station seal, which
    he brought back to the consulate. Agent
    Smith compared it to the seal on the two
    subpoenas and found the official seal to be
    much larger.
    After hearing FSN Popov’s oral report of
    his meeting with Ms. Bogdanovich, Agent
    Smith transmitted the information to the
    author of this letter by encrypted email.
    Best we can tell, this revised letter would comply with the
    requirements imposed by the Second Circuit, but would it be
    much more valuable than what we already have? We’d know
    a bit more about Agent Smith, and we’d know the identity of
    the person who did the legwork, but how would that help us?
    We’d also have a name of someone who purportedly
    provided the information from the Bulgarians, but how would
    that be of any use? Angov could still complain that the IJ
    was unable to assess the Bulgarian official’s credibility, or
    even the credibility of any of the later links in the chain.
    We’d also know that it was Agent Smith who visually
    compared the seal on the subpoenas with the station’s official
    seal, but how does that bring us closer to the truth?
    At this point, we would be faced with a whole new set of
    questions: How do we know Popov really went to the police
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    station instead of stopping off in a bar to chug rakia? How
    did Popov know whether Bogdanovich was really the
    supervisor of personnel records at the police station? Did he
    check her identification papers? How did Popov assess
    Bogdanovich to be trustworthy, and how can we be sure he’s
    right? Did Popov look at the personnel records himself, or
    did he take Bogdanovich’s word that the three officers never
    worked there? Can we be sure that Bogdanovich checked all
    the relevant records? Can we be sure the purported personnel
    records were accurate and complete? How do we know
    Popov didn’t falsify important details because he was afraid
    of reprisal or because he hates gypsies? And how can we be
    sure Smith is telling the truth if we can’t cross-examine him?
    Did Smith have a full-sized copy of the subpoena when he
    compared the seals or a shrunken photocopy?
    These difficulties are inherent in trying to prove up facts
    related to events that occurred years past and thousands of
    miles away from where the IJ is holding his hearing. Short of
    transporting all the declarants and their underlying records to
    the United States for a hearing before an IJ, there will
    inevitably be gaps that can be bridged only by multiple levels
    of hearsay.
    This is not a problem that plagues only the government.
    Almost every piece of evidence asylum petitioners present in
    support of their cases would be inadmissible if subjected to
    the rules of evidence, especially those pertaining to hearsay:
    threats they claim to have been subjected to; racist comments
    by the police; reports of strange people looking for them;
    letters from family members and others. A brief scan of our
    caselaw shows it’s pretty much impossible to build an asylum
    case without relying on evidence that would be laughed out
    of court if presented in a domestic trial. See, e.g., Meza-
    30                   ANGOV V. HOLDER
    Vallejos v. Holder, 
    669 F.3d 920
    , 922 (9th Cir. 2012); Haile
    v. Holder, 
    658 F.3d 1122
    , 1124–25 (9th Cir. 2011); Singh v.
    Holder, 
    656 F.3d 1047
    , 1049–50 (9th Cir. 2011); Hu v.
    Holder, 
    652 F.3d 1011
    , 1013–15 (9th Cir. 2011); Kumar v.
    Gonzales, 
    444 F.3d 1043
    , 1047–48 (9th Cir. 2006).
    Take, as a small example, the letter from Daniela
    Mihaylova that Angov presented to rebut some of the
    information in the Bunton Letter. This is a two-page, typed
    document, with a small emblem and a typed address by way
    of letterhead. (We reproduce it in the Appendix.) It is
    addressed “To: Whom it may concern” and references
    Angov’s case. The letter represents that the “Romani Baht
    Foundation is a leading Bulgarian non-profit organization for
    protection of Roma/Gypsies human rights, founded in 1996
    and legally registered with Bulgarian court.” Mihaylova
    purports to be the legal programs’ director of the Foundation.
    The BIA took this letter seriously and modified some of
    the IJ’s findings based on it and other evidence presented by
    Angov. But there is absolutely no evidence in the record that
    there is any such person as Daniela Mihaylova and, if there is,
    how she went about obtaining the information detailed in her
    letter. For all we know, Angov could have printed the letter
    using his computer and standard word processing software.
    Compared to this letter—and the remaining evidence
    presented by Angov—the Bunton Letter seems a paragon of
    reliability. It was prepared by government officials trained to
    perform this kind of investigation; who have nothing to gain
    by giving false information; and whose conduct is clothed
    with the presumption of regularity that attaches to all
    government actors. Cf. Perales, 
    402 U.S. at
    402–06. The
    Bunton Letter encloses five photographs depicting locations
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    mentioned in Angov’s asylum petition, which confirms that
    someone from our consulate traveled to those locations and
    made a personal inspection.
    The Bunton Letter also gives specific reasons for
    doubting the authenticity of the addresses and points to
    several problems with the subpoenas. It is not an
    unsupported assertion that Angov is a liar; it is a rational,
    apparently objective recital of observed facts. At the very
    least, we can be sure that there is a Bunton and a Tongour,
    and that they can be disciplined or prosecuted if they
    negligently or deliberately falsified their reports. And we can
    reasonably presume that, in preparing their reports, Bunton
    and Tongour relied on trained State Department officers and
    agents who are themselves subject to discipline or
    prosecution for incompetence or corruption.
    Compare this to the letter from Mihaylova (assuming
    there even is a Mihaylova): It comes from someone who
    cannot be disciplined or prosecuted in case of a lie, and who
    has not been screened for competence, honesty or reliability.
    It encloses no pictures or other documentary evidence. It
    doesn’t explain how the facts asserted were gathered or by
    whom. It doesn’t even claim to be based on first-hand
    knowledge, rather than hearsay or rumor. The letter simply
    makes a series of bald factual assertions without any support.
    Even assuming the letter is genuine (in the sense that it was
    actually written by its purported signatory in Bulgaria), the IJ
    and the BIA have absolutely no way to evaluate how accurate
    or objective it is.
    In an environment where it’s pretty much impossible to
    obtain first-hand accounts of most of the relevant facts,
    should we require the government to fight an uphill battle on
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    a slippery slope with one leg and both arms tied behind its
    back, while its adversary gets to use cleats and brass
    knuckles? Of course not. It would be the height of cognitive
    dissonance to hold the United States to standards of proof
    derived from domestic litigation while allowing petitioners to
    present anything and everything that doesn’t bear the
    watermark “Forgery Purchased on the Black Market.”
    Furthermore, contrary to what the dissent and the Second
    Circuit might believe, the consequence of a rule excluding the
    consideration of documents such as the Bunton Letter will not
    be to allow more of the world’s oppressed into the land of the
    free. Rather, it favors the canny, the dishonest, the brazen
    and those who have the means and connections to purchase
    or create fraudulent documents, such as Angov’s compatriot,
    Pavlov. See p. 13–14 supra. Nor does such a rule ultimately
    help asylum seekers, as it’s hard to believe that Congress will
    long allow the program to continue when it rewards people
    who lie their way into the United States. Eventually,
    Congress and the public will catch on that asylum has become
    a fast-track vehicle for immigration fraud, and the asylum
    statute will be repealed or amended so as to make it even
    more difficult for honest asylum seekers to obtain relief. The
    ultimate victims will be the tired, poor, huddled masses who
    will find the golden door slammed in their faces.
    *           *            *
    We conclude on this record that the IJ acted within his
    discretion when he admitted the Bunton Letter into evidence
    and relied on it to find that the subpoenas Angov submitted
    were fraudulent. The adverse credibility finding based on the
    fraudulent subpoenas was supported by substantial evidence.
    Because Angov’s claim is based on his mistreatment by the
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    Bulgarian police, the fact that the subpoenas were fraudulent
    “goes to the heart of [Angov’s] claim of persecution.” See
    Rizk, 
    629 F.3d at
    1087–88. Furthermore, Angov’s testimony
    is not credible, and he doesn’t present other evidence that
    meets his burden to show that it’s “‘more likely than not’”
    that he would be tortured if sent back to Bulgaria. See
    Shrestha v. Holder, 
    590 F.3d 1034
    , 1048 (9th Cir. 2010).
    Consequently, the IJ and BIA decisions denying Angov
    asylum, withholding of removal and protection under the
    Convention Against Torture must stand.
    PETITION DENIED.
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    Appendix: Mihaylova Letter
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    THOMAS, Chief Judge, dissenting:
    I would join the Second Circuit in resolving the issue
    before us. Unsworn, unauthenticated, hearsay letters—
    prepared for litigation by the government and not subject to
    any form of cross-examination—cannot form the sole basis
    for denying asylum to an otherwise qualified applicant.
    Therefore, I must respectfully dissent.
    I
    A
    Five of our sister circuits have held that the government
    may not deny asylum solely on the basis of conclusory letters
    prepared for litigation in reliance on multiple layers of
    unauthenticated hearsay, without affording the petitioner
    some right of confronting the charges. Four of those circuits
    reached this result on constitutional grounds, holding that the
    admission of unauthenticated consular letters against an
    asylum applicant violates that applicant’s procedural due
    process rights. Banat v. Holder, 
    557 F.3d 886
    , 892–93 (8th
    Cir. 2009); Anim v. Mukasey, 
    535 F.3d 243
    , 256–58 (4th Cir.
    2008); Alexandrov v. Gonzales, 
    442 F.3d 395
    , 407 (6th Cir.
    2006); Ezeagwuna v. Ashcroft, 
    325 F.3d 396
    , 405–08 (3d Cir.
    2003).      The Second Circuit declined to reach the
    constitutional issue but held that such letters, standing alone,
    could not provide a basis for denying asylum under the
    substantial evidence standard because they lacked sufficient
    indicia of reliability and trustworthiness. Lin v. U.S. Dep’t of
    Justice, 
    459 F.3d 255
    , 268–72 (2d Cir. 2006); see also
    Balachova v. Mukasey, 
    547 F.3d 374
    , 382–83 (2d Cir. 2008)
    (applying Lin). Although I would resolve the present case
    purely on statutory grounds, as the Second Circuit did, the
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    cases decided by our other sister circuits also provide useful
    guidance here.
    In Banat, for instance, the Eighth Circuit rejected an IJ’s
    reliance on a consular letter that cited an unidentified
    investigator from the U.S. embassy in Beirut because the
    letter contained “multiple levels of hearsay” and omitted any
    mention of the investigator’s qualifications, experience, or
    “contact.” 
    557 F.3d at
    891–92. The court acknowledged that
    “overseas investigations by State Department officials
    concerning the authenticity of documents purportedly
    originating in foreign countries are often necessary for the
    adjudication of an asylum claim,” 
    id. at 890
    ; however, it
    concluded that “the IJ’s reliance on the State Department
    letter, which provided no details about the investigation that
    would allow the IJ to assess the investigation’s reliability or
    trustworthiness and which contained multiple levels of
    hearsay, violated Banat’s right to a fundamentally fair
    hearing.” 
    Id. at 893
    . The court reasoned:
    Reliance on reports of investigations that do
    not provide sufficient information about how
    the investigation was conducted are
    fundamentally unfair because, without that
    information, it is nearly impossible for the
    immigration court to assess the report’s
    probative value and the asylum applicant is
    not allowed a meaningful opportunity to rebut
    the investigation’s allegations.
    
    Id. at 891
    .
    The Fourth Circuit relied on similar logic in Anim when
    it rejected a State Department letter authored by the same
    38                        ANGOV V. HOLDER
    official involved in our case. The court noted that the
    official’s letter was “comprised entirely of multiple hearsay
    statements.” 
    535 F.3d at 257
    . It also pointed out that “letter
    does not explain how Bunton received the information she
    relates, nor does the letter disclose the identities of some of
    the individuals involved in the chain of communication.” Id.;
    see also 
    id.
     (“Without the details of the investigation, it is
    impossible for an immigration judge, the BIA, or a court to
    evaluate the reliability of the letter’s conclusions.” (citations
    omitted)). Based on these deficiencies, the Anim court
    concluded that “the Bunton letter contains insufficient indicia
    of reliability and, as a result, its use was fundamentally
    unfair.” 
    Id. at 256
    .
    The courts in both Anim and Banat relied heavily on the
    Second Circuit’s reasoning in Lin, 
    459 F.3d at
    268–72. In
    Lin, the Second Circuit rejected a consular report almost
    identical to the letter at issue here. The consular report was
    based on the opinions of Chinese government officials who,
    as the Lin court noted, “appear to have powerful incentives to
    be less than candid on the subject of their government’s
    persecution of political dissidents.” 
    Id.
     at 269–70. The court
    also observed that the report lacked other traditional markers
    of reliability, namely: “(i) the identity and qualifications of
    the investigator(s); (ii) the objective and extent of the
    investigation; and (iii) the methods used to verify the
    information discovered.” 
    Id. at 271
    . The Lin court distilled
    these factors from the Department of Justice’s own guidelines
    for evaluating the reliability of documents produced
    overseas.1 Noting that the consular letter failed to satisfy
    1
    The Justice Department’s guidelines stated that, in the case of a
    fraudulent document, the “report must contain, at a minimum: (i) the name
    and title of the investigator; (ii) a statement that the investigator is fluent
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    these basic criteria, the court held that the report was
    “insufficiently detailed to permit a reviewing court to assess
    its reliability” and, as such, could not support a finding that
    the petitioner had forged documents submitted with his
    asylum application. 
    Id. at 270
    .
    Critically, the Second Circuit reached this conclusion as
    a statutory matter, holding that the consular report was
    “highly unreliable and therefore insufficient to satisfy the
    substantial evidence requirement.” 
    Id. at 269
    . The court
    noted that the Third and Sixth Circuits had recently rejected
    similar reports as procedural due process violations2 but,
    in the relevant language(s) or that he or she used a translator who is fluent
    in the relevant language(s); (iii) any other statements of the competency
    of the investigator and the translator deemed appropriate under the
    circumstances (such as education, years of experience in the field,
    familiarity with the geographic terrain, etc.); (iv) the specific objective of
    the investigation; (v) the location(s) of any conversations or other searches
    conducted; (vi) the name(s) and title(s) of the people spoken to in the
    course of the investigation; (vii) the method used to verify the
    information; (viii) the circumstances, content, and results of each relevant
    conversation or search[ ]; and (ix) a statement that the Service investigator
    is aware of the confidentiality provisions found in 
    8 C.F.R. § 208.6
    .”
    Memorandum from Bo Cooper (“Cooper Memo”), Gen. Counsel,
    Immigration & Naturalization Serv., to Jeffrey Weiss, Dir., Immigration
    & Naturalization Serv. Office of Int’l Affairs, Confidentiality of Asylum
    Applications and Overseas Verification of Documents and Application
    Information (June 21, 2001), available at http://judiciary.house.gov/
    legacy/82238.pdf at 39–45.
    2
    See Alexandrov, 
    442 F.3d at 407
     (holding that memoranda prepared by
    a U.S. embassy official in Sofia did “not meet our standards of
    trustworthiness and reliability and were therefore improperly relied upon
    by the immigration court”); Ezeagwuna, 
    325 F.3d at
    406–08 (holding that
    a letter prepared by a U.S. embassy official in Yaounde contained
    “multiple hearsay of the most troubling kind” and, therefore, was “neither
    reliable nor trustworthy”).
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    ultimately, the Lin court held that it was unnecessary to reach
    the constitutional issue. 
    Id.
     (“Although we find the logic of
    these cases [concerning procedural due process] persuasive,
    we do not reach the constitutional issue presented because the
    statutory standard of review requires vacatur.” (emphasis in
    original)). The court later took the same approach in
    Balachova. 
    547 F.3d at 383
     (concluding that a consular
    report that “contain[ed] no information concerning the
    qualifications of the investigators, the identity of the Russian
    officials who prepared the response to the consular inquiry,
    or the methods, if any, used to verify the information supplied
    by the foreign official” was “unreliable and cannot contribute
    to a finding of substantial evidence”).
    Our case cannot be distinguished from Lin or Balachova.
    The IJ relied on a short, unsworn letter from a State
    Department official to support his finding that Angov forged
    parts of his asylum application. The letter was devoid of any
    information concerning the methodology employed in the
    investigation or the qualifications of the investigators.
    Instead, it was based on the unauthenticated, hearsay
    statements of an unidentified Bulgarian police official who
    worked at the police station where Angov claims to have been
    severely beaten. Like the government officials in Lin, that
    police official—whose department had been accused of
    ethnically motivated brutality—had a strong incentive to be
    “less than candid.” 
    459 F.3d at 269
    .
    In sum, the Bunton Letter was comprised of conclusory
    statements of fact, none of which were supported by the basic
    information required under Lin and Balachova. We are left,
    as was the Second Circuit, with a document that is
    “insufficiently detailed to permit a reviewing court to assess
    its reliability.” Lin, 
    459 F.3d at 270
    . Indeed, in many ways,
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    there is less information in the Bunton Letter than in the
    letters rejected as unreliable by our sister circuits.
    Accordingly, because the Bunton Letter lacks the indicia of
    reliability set forth in Lin, the agency could not have relied on
    it under the substantial evidence standard.
    B
    Neither Lin nor Balachova discussed the specific
    procedural protections guaranteed to aliens in removal
    proceedings under 8 U.S.C. § 1229a(b)(4)(B). That
    provision, however, offers independent grounds for barring
    the government from relying on unsworn, unauthenticated
    hearsay letters as the sole basis for denying an alien relief
    from removal.
    Section 1229a(b)(4)(B) expressly provides that every
    alien “shall have a reasonable opportunity to examine the
    evidence against [him or her], to present evidence on [his or
    her] own behalf, and to cross-examine witnesses presented by
    the Government” during removal proceedings. See also
    
    8 C.F.R. § 1240.10
    (a)(4) (requiring the IJ to “[a]dvise the
    respondent that he or she will have a reasonable opportunity
    to examine and object to the evidence against him or her, to
    present evidence in his or her own behalf and to
    cross-examine witnesses presented by the government”). We
    have recognized the “importance of the right to confront
    evidence and cross-examine witnesses” under this statute.3
    3
    The majority suggests that, because foreign officials are not themselves
    “amenable to cross-examination,” allowing State Department officials to
    be cross-examined when they “inescapably rely” on information from
    foreign officials would not significantly enhance the credibility of that
    information. Slip Op. at p. 11. This view overlooks the fact that State
    42                       ANGOV V. HOLDER
    Cinapian v. Holder, 
    567 F.3d 1067
    , 1074 (9th Cir. 2009)
    (listing “several cases” highlighting the importance of this
    right). As we explained in those cases, the “purpose of this
    statutory guarantee cannot be fulfilled . . . if the government’s
    choice whether to produce a witness or to use a hearsay
    statement is wholly unfettered.” Baliza v. INS, 
    709 F.2d 1231
    , 1234 (9th Cir. 1983). Rather, to comply with this
    provision, the government must “make a reasonable effort to
    present the witness” for cross-examination. Cinapian,
    
    567 F.3d at 1074
    .
    The majority asserts that the “government here did make
    a reasonable effort to obtain a witness” for cross-examination
    but, ultimately, was stymied by the State Department’s policy
    of not releasing follow-up information about overseas
    investigations. See supra, Slip Op. at p. 11. This “effort”
    cannot be sufficient to satisfy the government’s burden under
    the statute. Indeed, allowing one executive branch agency to
    rely on another executive branch agency’s blanket policy of
    refusing to provide certain information is tantamount to
    granting the government the kind of unfettered discretion we
    repudiated in Baliza. As for the policy itself, whatever
    logistical obstacles might have once justified the State
    Department’s blanket refusal to produce overseas government
    witnesses for removal proceedings, those obstacles can surely
    Department officials would be less likely to accept unreliable information
    as true if they knew that they might later be subject to cross-examination.
    Furthermore, if State Department officials did rely on information
    obtained from foreign officials, they would be prepared to explain why
    that information was trustworthy.
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    be overcome in an age of video conferencing.4 Indeed,
    federal law specifically allows IJs to conduct entire hearings
    via telephone or video conference.                 8 U.S.C.
    § 1229a(b)(2)(A); see also 
    8 C.F.R. § 1003.25
    (c) (“An
    Immigration Judge may conduct hearings through video
    conference to the same extent as he or she may conduct
    hearings in person.”).
    Because the government did not make a reasonable effort
    to produce Bunton for cross-examination, I would hold that
    its reliance on the Bunton Letter violated Angov’s rights
    under § 1229a(b)(4)(B).5
    C
    The government argues that the Bunton Letter should be
    credited as trustworthy by employing the presumption of
    regularity—that is, that government officials accurately
    perform their reporting duties without bias. See Espinoza v.
    4
    At the very least, the State Department should be required to produce
    some specific hardship or reason why it cannot produce the witness for
    cross-examination, rather than relying on a general policy.
    5
    The four of our sister circuits to resolve this issue on constitutional
    grounds did not discuss the procedural rights guaranteed under
    § 1229a(b)(4)(B). However, the reasoning they used in concluding
    (unanimously) that the admission of unauthenticated, hearsay letters
    during removal proceedings violates an alien’s procedural due process
    rights counsels toward holding that such letters also violate the alien’s
    statutory rights under § 1229a(b)(4)(B). We have recognized that the due
    process right is closely related to the statutory right in this context. See
    Bondarenko v. Holder, 
    733 F.3d 899
    , 907 (9th Cir. 2013) (“The due
    process right, incorporated into 8 U.S.C. § 1229a(b)(4)(B), includes,
    among other things, ‘a reasonable opportunity to examine the evidence
    against the alien.’ (emphasis added; citations omitted)).
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    INS, 
    45 F.3d 308
    , 310 (9th Cir. 1995) (holding that
    “information on an authenticated immigration form is
    presumed to be reliable in the absence of evidence to the
    contrary presented by the alien”).
    However, the presumption of regularity does not apply
    when the source of information “was neither a government
    official nor the subject of the report.”
    Hernandez-Guadarrama v. Ashcroft, 
    394 F.3d 674
    , 681 n.9
    (9th Cir. 2005) (citing Espinoza, 
    45 F.3d at 310
    ). The key
    hearsay statement in the Bunton Letter comes from a
    Bulgarian police employee, not a U.S. government official or
    Angov. Statements made by third persons under no business
    duty to report are not entitled to the presumption of reliability
    and cannot be considered subject to the presumption, even if
    included in a document that enjoys such a presumption.
    United States v. Pazsint, 
    703 F.2d 420
    , 424-25 (9th Cir.
    1983); see also Pouhova v. Holder, 
    726 F.3d 1007
    , 1014–15
    (7th Cir. 2013) (rejecting application of presumption of
    reliability to hearsay statements of third parties recorded in
    official documents); Jordan v. Binns, 
    712 F.3d 1123
    , 1133
    (7th Cir. 2013) (“[T]he presumption of reliability that serves
    as the premise for the public-records exception does not
    attach to third parties who themselves have no public duty to
    report.”).
    Second, the presumption of reliability, similar to the
    traditional hearsay exception for public records, applies to
    documents “prepared in accordance with normal
    recordkeeping requirements.” Espinoza, 
    45 F.3d at 310
    ; see
    also Lopez-Chavez v. INS, 
    259 F.3d 1176
    , 1181 (9th Cir.
    2001) (“It must be shown that the document has been
    certified by the INS District Director as a true an[d] accurate
    reflection of INS records.”). The Bunton Letter, summarizing
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    the results of an investigation involving multiple individuals
    and carried out at the behest of a party involved in litigation,
    is not comparable to an authenticated immigration form
    routinely filled out by border agents. Espinoza, 
    45 F.3d at 309
    . It is not a “business record” which is prepared in the
    usual and ordinary course of business. It was not
    authenticated or certified. It did not even conform with the
    agency’s own reporting procedures, as described and set forth
    in the Cooper Memo. Thus, the ad hoc Bunton Letter does
    not qualify as a government document produced in
    accordance with regular agency procedure.
    For these reasons, I find the government’s arguments
    unpersuasive.
    II
    Adjudicating asylum claims is necessarily an imperfect
    endeavor. Witnesses to alleged foreign persecution are rarely
    available; documents are often impossible to locate. The
    immigration judge is often left with assessing witness
    credibility as the only means of resolving the request for
    relief. We are often limited to seeing through a glass, darkly.
    As to post-REAL ID Act asylum seekers, the IJ may
    require corroboration, even when presented with credible
    testimony. See Aden v. Holder, 
    589 F.3d 1040
    , 1044 (9th Cir.
    2009) (“Where the trier of fact determines that the applicant
    should provide evidence that corroborates otherwise credible
    testimony, such evidence must be provided unless the
    applicant does not have the evidence and cannot reasonably
    obtain the evidence.” (quoting 
    8 U.S.C. § 1158
    (b)(1)(B)(ii))).
    We have sustained the BIA’s denial of relief founded on the
    46                     ANGOV V. HOLDER
    inability of an asylum seeker to obtain corroboration.
    Shrestha v. Holder, 
    590 F.3d 1034
    , 1047–48 (9th Cir. 2010).
    In the post-REAL ID Act world, when corroborating
    evidence has assumed more importance, it is not unfair or
    unduly burdensome to require the government to identify
    basic, rudimentary information about its sources when it
    challenges corroborating evidence so that the IJ can properly
    weigh it. The information our sister circuits have demanded
    is modest. They do not require that every detail be uncovered
    or every riddle solved, they merely ask that very basic
    foundational questions—already in the hands of the
    Executive Branch—be answered. The Executive Branch
    invests significant resources in forensic document analysts,
    who provide detailed declarations in immigration cases. It is
    not much to ask that in the case of routine foreign fact-
    checking, the government simply tell us how it acquired the
    facts upon which it asks us to deny asylum.
    The alternative is a decision founded solely on
    anonymous hearsay, often—as in this case—produced by the
    very foreign government actors the asylum-seeker accuses of
    persecution. We should be wary of relying on “secret
    informers, whisperers and talebearers” to decide legal rights
    in this context, especially when their word is used as the sole
    basis to deny relief to an otherwise qualified applicant. See
    Parker v. Lester, 
    227 F.2d 708
    , 719 (9th Cir. 1955)
    (cautioning against relying on untrustworthy sources in
    awarding security clearances to Coast Guard employees).
    The immigration system is fraught with enough risk of error.
    When it is reasonably possible, we need to minimize that risk.
    I respectfully dissent.