Tyrone White v. Kilolo Kijakazi ( 2022 )


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  •                 FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    TYRONE L. WHITE,                         No. 20-16846
    Plaintiff-Appellant,
    D.C. No.
    v.                     2:19-cv-01498-
    AC
    KILOLO KIJAKAZI, Acting
    Commissioner of Social Security,
    Defendant-Appellee.           OPINION
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Eastern District of California
    Allison Claire, Magistrate Judge, Presiding
    Argued and Submitted November 18, 2021
    San Francisco, California
    Filed August 8, 2022
    Before: Mary M. Schroeder, William A. Fletcher, and
    Eric D. Miller, Circuit Judges.
    Opinion by Judge W. Fletcher
    2                        WHITE V. KIJAKAZI
    SUMMARY*
    Social Security
    The panel reversed the district court’s decision granting
    summary judgment to the Commissioner of Social Security
    and affirming the denial Tyrone L. White’s claim for
    Supplemental Security Income (“SSI”) benefits, and
    remanded to the district court with directions that the case be
    remanded to the agency for further proceedings.
    An Administrative Law Judge (“ALJ”) denied White
    benefits based on the testimony of a vocational expert (“VE”)
    that there were an estimated 72,000 “Table worker,” 65,000
    “Assembler,” and 32,000 “Film touch up inspector” jobs in
    the national economy that claimant could perform. After the
    ALJ issued her decision, claimant’s attorney submitted to the
    Social Security Administration (“SSA”) Appeals Council
    different estimates for those same jobs, allegedly using the
    same software program used by the VE. The Appeals
    Council considered the new evidence but denied claimant’s
    request for review.
    The panel held that under Buck v. Berryhill, 
    869 F.3d 1040
     (9th Cir. 2017), remand was required to allow the ALJ
    to address claimant’s evidence of widely discrepant job-
    number estimates. The panel joined other circuits in
    encouraging the SSA to make the transition to a system that
    more accurately reflects available jobs in the current
    economy. Claimant’s job estimates differed substantially
    *
    This summary constitutes no part of the opinion of the court. It has
    been prepared by court staff for the convenience of the reader.
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    from those of the VE. The claimant estimated—using
    SkillTRAN Job Browser Pro and the same DOT codes the VE
    had used—that there were 2,957 table worker, 0 assembler,
    and 1,333 film tough-up inspector jobs in the national
    economy. The discrepancy between the VE and the
    claimant’s estimates was comparable to the discrepancy in
    Buck. The panel concluded that remand was appropriate to
    resolve the discrepancy.
    COUNSEL
    John D. Metsker (argued), Metsker Law Firm, San Francisco,
    California, for Plaintiff-Appellant.
    Elizabeth Firer (argued), Special Assistant United States
    Attorney; Deborah Lee Stachel, Chief Counsel, Region IX;
    Phillip A. Talbert, United States Attorney; Social Security
    Administration, San Francisco, California; for Defendant-
    Appellee.
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    OPINION
    W. FLETCHER, Circuit Judge:
    Tyrone L. White appeals from the district court’s grant of
    summary judgment to the Commissioner of Social Security,
    affirming her denial of White’s claim for Supplemental
    Security Income (“SSI”) benefits. Due to a bullet fragment
    lodged in his spine, White’s left leg has atrophied. He suffers
    from chronic pain, and he has difficulty walking, standing,
    and sitting for extended periods of time. An Administrative
    Law Judge (“ALJ”) denied White benefits based on the
    testimony of a vocational expert (“VE”) that there were an
    estimated 72,000 “Table worker,” 65,000 “Assembler,” and
    32,000 “Film touch up inspector” jobs in the national
    economy that White could perform. After the ALJ issued her
    decision, White’s attorney submitted to the Social Security
    Administration (“SSA”) Appeals Council different estimates
    for those same jobs, allegedly using the same software
    program as used by the VE. According to estimates
    submitted by White, there were only 2,957 table worker jobs,
    0 assembler jobs, and 1,333 film touch-up inspector jobs in
    the national economy. The Appeals Council considered this
    new evidence but denied White’s request for review.
    We hold that under our decision in Buck v. Berryhill,
    
    869 F.3d 1040
    , 1052 (9th Cir. 2017), remand is required to
    allow the ALJ to address White’s evidence of vastly
    discrepant job-number estimates. We therefore reverse the
    district court’s decision granting summary judgment to the
    Commissioner with directions that the case be remanded to
    the agency for further proceedings consistent with this
    opinion.
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    I. Background
    White was born in 1971. On October 9, 2009, he was
    shot three times in what he described as a “random shooting.”
    Fragments from one of the bullets remain lodged in White’s
    S1 vertebra, projecting into his spinal canal. Due to the
    presence of the bullet fragment, White’s left leg has
    atrophied; he experiences significant chronic pain; and he has
    difficulty sitting for more than 10–15 minutes at a time or
    walking more than 50–60 yards. He walks with the aid of a
    cane. He lives with his mother, who does the household
    chores, including cooking, cleaning, laundry, and yard work.
    In January 2010, White was awarded SSI disability
    benefits. His benefits were later discontinued when he was
    incarcerated in California. White’s prison medical records
    document his continuing pain and his difficulty in walking
    and standing. The prisons in which White was incarcerated
    accommodated his disability by granting him lower-bunk and
    lower-tier status, an extra mattress, and use of a cane. White
    was assigned jobs that accommodated his disability but
    allowed him to earn sentence credits—wiping off the dining
    room tables and dusting off the top of lockers in his dorm.
    He worked in the dining room for approximately forty
    minutes a day, five days per week, and in the dorms for
    twenty minutes a day, two days per week. He was prescribed
    physical therapy, but it was not able to restore his mobility.
    Upon his release from prison, White continued to obtain
    medical treatment. His medical records document an acute,
    “sharp and shooting” pain in White’s lower back radiating to
    his left foot. His symptoms were reported as being
    aggravated by ascending and descending stairs, lifting,
    bending, standing, walking, and sitting.
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    White submitted a new application for SSI disability
    benefits on June 3, 2016. The SSA initially denied his
    application eight days later. White appealed the denial, and
    a consultative neurological examination was performed in
    August 2016. The result of the examination was a functional
    capacity assessment that White was limited to lifting ten
    pounds frequently, twenty pounds occasionally, standing and
    walking up to two hours per day, and sitting up to six hours
    per day. White thereafter underwent an initial disability
    determination medical exam, and was found not disabled.
    White obtained legal representation and requested
    reconsideration. Reconsideration was denied on January 12,
    2017.
    White requested a hearing before an ALJ. At the hearing,
    the ALJ questioned White about his work history while
    incarcerated, and about the effect of his injury on his daily
    life and functioning.
    The ALJ also questioned the VE, posing the following
    hypothetical:
    Let’s assume a hypothetical individual of the
    claimant’s age, education and vocational
    background who is able to lift and carry
    10 pounds frequently and 20 pounds
    occasionally. Standing and/or walking are
    limited to two hours cumulatively during the
    workday. Sitting is limited to six hours
    cumulatively during the workday. Requires
    the use of a cane for ambulating over
    100 yards and is limited to walking on even
    surfaces, has occasional, is able to
    occasionally climb ramps and stairs, cannot
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    climb ropes, ladders or scaffolds, is limited to
    occasional balancing, stooping, kneeling,
    crouching and crawling, cannot operate foot
    controls with the left lower extremity.
    The ALJ then asked, “[A]re there jobs . . . in the economy for
    that individual?”
    The VE responded with examples of three jobs that White
    could perform. She provided the corresponding Dictionary
    of Occupational Titles (“DOT”) codes, and estimated the
    number of positions of each job in the national economy. She
    testified:
    [E]xamples would be [(1)] a table worker,
    which is visual and inspection, DOT 739.687-
    182, sedentary, unskilled, SVP 2, nationally
    approximately 72,000 of these positions exist.
    [(2)] An assembler, DOT 734.687-018,
    sedentary, unskilled, SVP 2, nationally
    approximately 65,000 of these positions exist.
    [(3)] A film touch-up inspector with
    electronic components, DOT 726.684-050,
    sedentary, unskilled, SVP 2, nationally
    approximately 32,000 of these positions exist.
    The ALJ asked if there would be “[a]ny erosion” in these
    job numbers if the individual required the ability to sit or
    stand, alternating every 30 minutes, without time off task.
    The VE answered: “No, since they’re not going to be off
    task, no.” The VE testified further that if this hypothetical
    individual were to need to be “off task more than 10% of the
    time due to the need to stretch or tak[e] longer to sit, stand, or
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    just other conditions” he would not be employable in “these
    unskilled jobs.”
    White’s attorney cross-examined the VE, asking her about
    the source of the estimated job numbers. The VE testified
    that the numbers came indirectly from the “Bureau of Labor
    Statistics” and that she used an automated program,
    “SkillTRAN,” to get the actual numbers. The ALJ
    questioned the VE on her choice to use SkillTRAN. The VE
    testified that she used SkillTRAN because “it has all the
    DOTs, everything is broken down. I’ll have labor market
    information per Bureau of Labor Statistics.” The VE further
    testified that SkillTRAN is widely used by those in the
    “vocational expert profession” and is considered “very
    reliable.”     White’s attorney did not offer evidence
    contradicting the VE’s estimated job numbers.
    The ALJ denied White’s application for SSI benefits. The
    ALJ applied the five-step sequential evaluation process for
    disability determinations required by SSA regulations.
    
    20 C.F.R. § 416.920
    (a)(1). The ALJ found at the first step
    that White had not engaged in substantial gainful activity
    since his application date. 
    Id.
     § 416.920(a)(4)(i). At the
    second step, the ALJ found that White had a severe
    impairment—a “retained bullet fragment in the left side of the
    S1 vertebral body and projecting into the spinal canal, with
    atrophy in the left lower extremity.” Id. § 416.920(a)(4)(ii).
    At the third step, the ALJ found that White did not have an
    impairment that meets or medically equals the severity of one
    of the impairments listed in 20 C.F.R. pt. 404, subpt. P,
    app. 1, so proceeded to step four. Id. § 416.920(a)(4)(iii). At
    the fourth step, the ALJ determined that White had the
    residual functional capacity to perform the full range of
    sedentary work as defined in 
    20 C.F.R. § 416.967
    (a), except
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    for several additional limitations, including the requirement
    that he be able to sit or stand, alternating every 30 minutes,
    without time off task. 
    Id.
     § 416.920(a)(4)(iv).
    At the fifth and final step, the ALJ determined that there
    were jobs that exist in significant numbers in the national
    economy that White could perform. Id. § 416.920(a)(4)(v).
    In making this determination, the ALJ relied on the VE’s
    testimony that White would be able to perform the
    “representative occupations” of: (1) table worker (DOT code
    739.687-182), (2) assembler (DOT code 734.687-018), and
    (3) film touch up inspector, electronics (DOT code 726.684-
    050). The ALJ also relied on the VE’s testimony to conclude
    that table worker “has approximately 72,000 jobs in the
    national economy,” that assembler “has approximately 65,000
    jobs in the national economy,” and that film touch-up
    inspector “has approximately 32,000 jobs in the national
    economy.” The ALJ noted the VE’s “professional knowledge
    and experience in job placement,” specified that the VE
    “explained why SkillTRAN is reliable,” and, accordingly,
    found the VE’s job numbers testimony to be reliable. Based
    on the VE’s testimony, the ALJ concluded that White “is
    capable of making a successful adjustment to other work that
    exists in significant numbers in the national economy,” and
    that a finding of “not disabled” was therefore appropriate.
    White requested a review of the ALJ’s decision by the
    Appeals Council and submitted additional evidence to the
    Council. His evidence gave job estimates generated using
    SkillTRAN’s “flagship program,” Job Browser Pro.
    According to this evidence, there were only 2,957 table
    worker jobs, 0 assembler jobs, and 1,333 film touch-up
    inspector jobs in the national economy. White attached
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    screenshots of SkillTRAN Job Browser Pro showing these
    job numbers.
    White provided to the Appeals Council descriptions of the
    three jobs corresponding to the DOT codes provided by the
    VE. A table worker “[e]xamines squares (tiles) of felt-based
    linoleum material passing along a conveyor and replaces
    missing substandard tiles.” An assembler “[i]nserts paper
    label in back of celluloid or metal advertising buttons and
    forces shaped stockpin under rim.” A film touch-up inspector
    “[i]nspects and repairs circuitry image on photoresist film
    (separate film or film laminated to fiberglass boards) used in
    manufacture of printed circuit boards.” White wrote that,
    given the specificity of these position descriptions, the job
    numbers provided by the VE—tens of thousands of each job
    in the national economy—were “clearly inflated,”
    “untenable,” and “clearly inaccurate.”
    In June 2019, the Appeals Council notified White that it
    had denied his request for review of the ALJ’s decision. The
    Appeals Council wrote: “You submitted reasons that you
    disagree with the decision. We considered the reasons and
    exhibited them on the enclosed Order of the Appeals Council.
    We found that the reasons do not provide a basis for changing
    the Administrative Law Judge’s decision.” The enclosed
    Order indicated that White had submitted “Exhibit 18E” as
    “additional evidence” and that the Appeals Council had made
    that evidence “part of the record.” Exhibit 18E contained
    White’s evidence concerning the job numbers for the three
    jobs at issue. The Appeals Council did not describe or
    discuss this evidence in its Notice or Order.
    White timely filed a civil action in district court under
    
    42 U.S.C. § 405
    (g). White provided to the district court the
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    evidence he had submitted to the Appeals Council and
    contended that the ALJ erred in relying on the VE’s
    testimony when she determined that jobs suitable for White’s
    limitations existed in significant numbers in the national
    economy. The district court granted summary judgment to
    the Commissioner. White timely appealed.
    II. Standard of Review
    We review de novo a decision of a district court
    reviewing a determination of the SSA. Moore v. Comm’r of
    the Soc. Sec. Admin., 
    278 F.3d 920
    , 924 (9th Cir. 2002). We
    “independently determine whether the Commissioner’s
    decision (1) is free of legal error and (2) is supported by
    substantial evidence.” Smolen v. Chater, 
    80 F.3d 1273
    , 1279
    (9th Cir. 1996). “Substantial evidence . . . means . . . ‘such
    relevant evidence as a reasonable mind might accept as
    adequate to support a conclusion.’” Biestek v. Berryhill,
    
    139 S. Ct. 1148
    , 1154 (2019) (quoting Consol. Edison Co. v.
    NLRB, 
    305 U.S. 197
    , 229 (1938)).
    III. Discussion
    A. Role of the Vocational Expert
    Under the Social Security Act, a claimant is considered
    “disabled” and entitled to disability benefits only if her
    impairments preclude her both from conducting her past
    relevant work and from engaging “in any other kind of
    substantial gainful work which exists in the national
    economy.” 
    42 U.S.C. § 423
    (d)(2)(A). Once a claimant
    establishes at steps one through four of the sequential
    evaluation process that she suffers from a severe impairment
    that prevents her from doing any work she has done in the
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    past, or that she has a severe impairment and has no relevant
    past work, she has made out a prima facie case of a disability.
    See Tackett v. Apfel, 
    180 F.3d 1094
    , 1098 (9th Cir. 1999).
    The burden then shifts to the Commissioner at step five to
    establish that the claimant can perform a “significant
    number[]” of jobs in the national economy given the
    claimant’s physical and mental limitations, age, education,
    and work experience. 
    20 C.F.R. § 416.960
    (c)(2); Thomas v.
    Barnhart, 
    278 F.3d 947
    , 955 (9th Cir. 2002). The
    Commissioner can carry this burden through the testimony of
    a VE in cases where, as here, the Medical-Vocational
    Guidelines, 20 C.F.R. pt. 404, subpt. P, app. 2, are
    inconclusive as to a claimant’s disability. See Ford v. Saul,
    
    950 F.3d 1141
    , 1149 (9th Cir. 2020); see also 
    20 C.F.R. §§ 404.1566
    (e), 416.960(b), 416.966(e) (permitting the use of
    VEs to aid in determining the specific occupations a claimant
    can perform); Soc. Sec. Admin., Hearings, Appeals, and
    Litigation Law Manual, § I-2-5-50 (2014) [hereinafter SSA
    Manual] (“An ALJ may also determine a VE’s testimony is
    necessary when the ALJ is determining whether the
    claimant’s impairment(s) prevents the performance of any
    other work and he or she cannot decide the case under any of
    the tables in 20 CFR Part 404 Subpart P Appendix 2 . . . .”).
    The SSA contracts with VEs to provide impartial
    vocational testimony in hearings before ALJs. Biestek, 
    139 S. Ct. at 1152
    ; see also SSA Manual, supra, at § I-2-1-31(B)(1)
    (describing the process by which SSA’s Office of Hearings
    Operations may enter into a contract with a VE, who then is
    added to the Regional Office’s roster). In determining
    whether a vocational professional is qualified to serve as a
    VE, the SSA considers the applicant’s “overall education and
    experience” as well as the applicant’s “current knowledge”
    of: (1) “[w]orking conditions and physical demands of
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    various occupations;” (2) “[t]ransferability of skills;” (3) “the
    existence and numbers of jobs at all exertional levels in the
    national economy;” and (4) “placing adult workers, including
    those with disabilities, into jobs.” SSA Manual, supra, at
    § I-2-1-31(B)(1); see also id. § I-2-5-48. While there are no
    specific educational or certification requirements for VEs, a
    majority of VEs have a master’s degree and are nationally
    certified rehabilitation counselors.       Michelle Aliff &
    Katharine W. Jett, The White Paper: A Professional and
    Ethical Mandate for Professional Vocational Expert Services
    in SSA Determinations, 25 Rehab. Pro. 111, 113–14 (2017);
    see also Chavez v. Berryhill, 
    895 F.3d 962
    , 964 (7th Cir.
    2018) (“VEs tend to have master’s degrees in vocational
    rehabilitation or psychology and often work in the field of job
    placement.”).
    An ALJ may ask a VE to provide testimony as to the
    physical and mental demands of a claimant’s past relevant
    work to assess whether the claimant is still able to perform
    such past work. 
    20 C.F.R. § 416.960
    (b)(2). An ALJ may
    also ask a VE to provide an opinion in response to a
    hypothetical question as to whether a person with the mental
    and physical limitations similar to the claimant could do past
    relevant work or work that exists in significant numbers in the
    national economy. See id.; 
    id.
     § 416.966(e). If the VE
    testifies that there are occupations that the hypothetical
    claimant can perform given the assumed limitations, the ALJ
    will typically ask the VE to provide examples of those
    occupations and “[i]nformation about the numbers of jobs in
    each occupation nationally.” Soc. Sec. Admin., Vocational
    Experts Handbook 36 (June 2020).
    VEs may use a wide range of data sources and
    methodologies to generate job-number estimates. See
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    Biestek, 
    139 S. Ct. at
    1152–53 (describing different types of
    data sources VEs may use); Goode v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec.,
    
    966 F.3d 1277
    , 1284 (11th Cir. 2020) (describing several
    methods of job-numbers estimation VEs use). ALJs must
    inquire about, and VEs must explain, any inconsistencies
    between their testimony and the DOT, a principal source of
    occupational information for SSA. Social Security Ruling,
    SSR 00-4p, 
    65 Fed. Reg. 75759
    , 75760 (Dec. 4, 2000); see
    also Massachi v. Astrue, 
    486 F.3d 1149
    , 1152–53 (9th Cir.
    2007); Swenson v. Sullivan, 
    876 F.2d 683
    , 688 (9th Cir. 1989)
    (requiring ALJs to reject VE testimony that is inconsistent
    with the Medical-Vocational Guidelines). Although a VE
    may be cross-examined during the proceedings about the data
    sources or methodologies underlying her job-number
    estimates, there is no requirement that a VE disclose the
    primary data underlying the estimates prior to, during, or after
    the hearing. See SSA Manual, supra, at §§ I-2-5-48-60, I-2-
    6-74 (outlining procedures for obtaining VE testimony); see
    also Vocational Experts Handbook, supra, at 37
    (recommending that VEs have available “any vocational
    resource materials” that they are likely to rely on and be
    prepared “to thoroughly explain” how they arrived at their
    opinions, and specifying that “[i]n some cases, the ALJ may
    ask you to provide relevant portions of materials”). Indeed,
    the Supreme Court recently held that VE job-numbers
    testimony may constitute substantial evidence supporting a
    finding of no disability even if the VE refuses to disclose the
    specific, non-public data sources on which the estimates were
    based. Biestek, 
    139 S. Ct. at 1157
    .
    Some courts, particularly the Seventh Circuit, have
    criticized the SSA for continuing to rely on the DOT for
    estimates of available jobs in the national economy. The
    Seventh Circuit recently observed that the DOT “was last
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    revised thirty years ago, leaving many of its job descriptions
    outdated.” Ruenger v. Kijakazi, 
    23 F.4th 760
    , 761–62 (7th
    Cir. 2022). In addition, as the Eleventh Circuit recently
    noted, “[a]side from being three decades old, the DOT
    presents other difficulties.” Goode, 966 F.3d at 1281.
    Namely, the DOT does not provide statistical information for
    its job codes; instead, VEs must imperfectly cross-reference
    the codes with other occupational data sources. Id.; Ruenger,
    23 F.4th at 762; Chavez, 895 F.3d at 965.
    The SSA has been working on a transition to a new
    Occupational Information System since 2008, with an
    originally anticipated completion date of 2020. See Chavez,
    895 F.3d at 965; Brace v. Saul, 
    970 F.3d 818
    , 820 (7th Cir.
    2020); Purdy v. Berryhill, 
    887 F.3d 7
    , 14 n.10 (1st Cir. 2018).
    However, the date has slipped, and the transition has not yet
    occurred. See Soc. Sec. Admin., Occupational Information
    System Project, https://www.ssa.gov/disabilityresearch/occ
    upational_info_systems.html (last visited July 1, 2022). We
    join our sister circuits in encouraging the SSA to make the
    transition to a system that more accurately reflects available
    jobs in the current economy.
    Despite the outdated DOT system upon which the SSA
    allows VEs to rely, we have characterized uncontradicted VE
    job-numbers testimony as “inherently reliable” and
    “ordinarily sufficient by itself to support an ALJ’s step-five
    finding.” Ford, 950 F.3d at 1160 (first quoting Buck,
    869 F.3d at 1051); see also Kilpatrick v. Kijakazi, 
    35 F.4th 1187
    , 1192–93 (9th Cir. 2022). However, a VE may “offer
    testimony that is so feeble, or contradicted, that it would fail
    to clear the substantial-evidence bar.” Biestek, 
    139 S. Ct. at
    1155–56. The substantial evidence inquiry for VE
    testimony must proceed on a “case-by-case” basis, taking
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    “into account all features of vocational expert’s testimony, as
    well as the rest of the administrative record.” 
    Id. at 1157
    .
    B. Presentation of New Evidence to the Appeals Council
    Social security disability claimants must raise challenges
    to the accuracy of a VE’s job-number estimates “at some
    point during administrative proceedings to preserve the
    challenge on appeal in federal district court.” Shaibi v.
    Berryhill, 
    883 F.3d 1102
    , 1103 (9th Cir. 2017); see also
    Meanel v. Apfel, 
    172 F.3d 1111
    , 1115 (9th Cir. 1999)
    (holding that a claimant’s failure to raise an issue “at both her
    hearing before the ALJ and the Appeals Council” constitutes
    forfeiture). The Appeals Council is the final level of SSA’s
    administrative review. The SSA’s decision is not final until
    the Appeals Council denies a request for review, or, if it
    accepts a case for review, until it issues its own findings. See
    
    20 C.F.R. §§ 404.955
    , 404.981; see also Bass v. Soc. Sec.
    Admin., 
    872 F.2d 832
    , 833 (9th Cir. 1989) (per curiam).
    SSA regulations permit a claimant to submit additional
    evidence to the Appeals Council if the claimant shows good
    cause for not having submitted it earlier. 
    20 C.F.R. § 404.970
    (b); see Brewes v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec. Admin.,
    
    682 F.3d 1157
    , 1162–63 (9th Cir. 2012) (holding that
    evidence submitted for the first time to the Appeals Council
    becomes part of the administrative record for the purposes of
    judicial review). When good cause is shown, regulations
    provide that the Appeals Council will review a case based on
    additional evidence submitted to the Council for the first time
    if the evidence is “material,” it relates to a time period on or
    before the ALJ’s decision, and “there is a reasonable
    probability that the additional evidence would change the
    outcome of the decision.” 
    20 C.F.R. § 404.970
    (a)(5).
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    C. Buck v. Berryhill
    In Buck v. Berryhill, 
    869 F.3d 1040
     (9th Cir. 2017), the
    VE and the claimant introduced evidence of strikingly
    different estimates for the same jobs. The VE testified that
    the claimant, Gavin L. Buck, could work in several different
    jobs, including bottling-line attendant, bottle packer, and
    conveyor-belt maker. 
    Id. at 1047
    . The VE estimated that
    there were 600,000 bottling-line attendant jobs, 8,800 bottle-
    packer jobs, and 235,000 conveyor-belt maker jobs in the
    national economy. 
    Id.
     Using the same software program as
    the VE, Buck’s attorneys estimated that there were, in fact,
    only 231 bottling-line attendant jobs, 2,039 bottle-packer
    jobs, and 26 conveyor-belt maker jobs nationally. 
    Id.
     The
    ALJ curtailed Buck’s cross-examination of the VE at the
    hearing, but assured Buck that he could submit his objections
    post-hearing. 
    Id.
     Without addressing Buck’s post-hearing
    submission, the ALJ denied disability benefits. 
    Id.
     The ALJ
    found at step five that Buck could work in the jobs to which
    the VE had testified, and that those jobs were present in
    significant numbers in the national economy. 
    Id.
     The
    Appeals Council denied Buck’s request for review. 
    Id. at 1048
    . The district court granted summary judgment to the
    Commissioner. 
    Id.
    We reversed, holding that “the vast discrepancy between
    the VE’s job numbers and those tendered by Buck,
    presumably from the same source, is simply too striking to be
    ignored.” 
    Id. at 1052
    . We explained that in failing to address
    that discrepancy, the ALJ had violated the general duty to
    clarify and develop the record. 
    Id.
     We concluded, “This
    inconsistency in the record must be addressed by the ALJ on
    remand.” 
    Id.
     We recently applied Buck and held that an ALJ
    need only resolve job-number inconsistencies if the
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    “competing job numbers . . . constitute significant probative
    evidence.” Kilpatrick, 35 F.4th at 1194. We consider
    whether there is “support for [a claimant’s] counsel’s
    approach” in generating job-number estimates in determining
    whether new evidence is significant and probative. Id.
    D. Obligation of the Agency in this Case
    In the case before us, the Appeals Council wrote that it
    had “consider[ed] the reasons” submitted by White in
    connection with his request for review, and that it had made
    White’s additional evidence “part of the record.” However,
    the Appeals Council declined to remand White’s case to the
    ALJ for further consideration of this evidence.
    A disability claimant has the right to submit evidence to
    the Appeals Council that was not submitted to the ALJ,
    provided there is “good cause” for not having submitted the
    evidence earlier. 
    20 C.F.R. § 404.970
    (b). We interpret the
    statement in the Appeals Council’s Order that it had
    “consider[ed]” White’s reasons and had made his additional
    evidence “part of the record” as indicating that White had
    shown “good cause” under § 404.970(b) in not having
    introduced it in the hearing before the ALJ. We have
    previously recognized that “a claimant will rarely, if ever, be
    in a position to anticipate the particular occupations a VE
    might list and the corresponding job numbers to which a VE
    might testify at a hearing.” Shaibi, 883 F.3d at 1110.
    If the Appeals Council had credited White’s estimates that
    there were only a total of 4,290 jobs (counting all three jobs)
    in the national economy that he could perform, there is a
    reasonable probability that the outcome of his proceeding
    may have been different. See Gutierrez v. Comm’r of Soc.
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    Sec., 
    740 F.3d 519
    , 528–29 (9th Cir. 2014) (holding that
    25,000 jobs nationally is a significant number, but noting that
    it was a “close call”); see also Beltran v. Astrue, 
    700 F.3d 386
    , 390 (9th Cir. 2012) (holding that 1,680 jobs nationally
    was not significant). Furthermore, White’s conflicting
    evidence was “significant” and “probative.” Kilpatrick,
    35 F.4th at 1193. White’s evidence was produced using a
    data source and methodology frequently relied on by the
    SSA. Id. at 1194; see also Purdy, 887 F.3d at 14
    (“SkillTRAN’s software has been recognized . . . to be widely
    relied upon by vocational experts in estimating the number of
    relevant jobs in the national economy.”); Chavez, 895 F.3d
    at 966–67, 970–71 (holding that an ALJ’s decision was not
    supported by substantial evidence where the ALJ failed to
    address discrepancy between job estimates obtained via the
    equal distribution method and job numbers obtained from Job
    Browser Pro). Indeed, according to White, his job estimates
    were produced using the same methodology as that used by
    the VE.
    In sum, White’s job estimates differed substantially from
    those of the VE. White estimated—using SkillTRAN Job
    Browser Pro and the same DOT codes the VE had used—that
    there were 2,957 table worker, 0 assembler, and 1,333 film
    touch-up inspector jobs in the national economy. The VE had
    testified that there were 72,000, 65,000, and 32,000 jobs,
    respectively, in these same occupations. The discrepancy
    between these estimates is comparable to the discrepancy in
    Buck. See 869 F.3d at 1047.
    We recognize that the claimant in Buck submitted his
    estimated job numbers to the ALJ, and that White submitted
    his estimated job numbers to the Appeals Council. This
    distinction is not fatal. Under SSA regulations, a claimant
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    has a right to submit additional evidence to the Appeals
    Council, which the agency may choose to make part of the
    administrative record where it finds that certain conditions
    are met, as it appears to have done here. See 
    20 C.F.R. § 404.970
    (b). Applying Buck, we hold that remand is
    appropriate to allow the ALJ to address the evidence and to
    resolve the inconsistency between the job-number estimates
    provided by White and by the VE.
    Conclusion
    The evidence White submitted to the Appeals Council
    created an inconsistency in the record that the agency had an
    obligation under Buck to address and resolve. We reverse the
    decision of the district court with directions that the case be
    remanded to the agency for further proceedings consistent
    with this opinion.
    REVERSED and REMANDED.