United States v. Ellen Swenson ( 2020 )


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  •                 FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,                No. 18-30215
    Plaintiff-Appellee,
    D.C. No.
    v.                      1:13-cr-00091-
    BLW-1
    ELLEN SUZANN SWENSON,
    Claimant-Appellant,
    OPINION
    DOUGLAS L. SWENSON; MARK A.
    ELLISON; JEREMY S. SWENSON;
    DAVID D. SWENSON,
    Defendants.
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the District of Idaho
    B. Lynn Winmill, Chief District Judge, Presiding
    Argued and Submitted February 3, 2020
    Seattle, Washington
    Filed August 19, 2020
    Before: MILAN D. SMITH, JR., N. RANDY SMITH, and
    DANIEL A. BRESS, Circuit Judges.
    Opinion by Judge Milan D. Smith, Jr.;
    Partial Concurrence and Partial Dissent by Judge
    N.R. Smith
    2                 UNITED STATES V. SWENSON
    SUMMARY *
    Criminal Law / Garnishment
    In a case in which the government sought to enforce an
    order pursuant to the Mandatory Victims Restitution Act
    (MVRA) that Douglas Swenson pay restitution following
    his conviction for wire and securities fraud, the panel
    (1) reversed the district court’s order denying his wife
    Suzann Swenson’s objections to a writ of garnishment
    sought by the government against a bank account that held
    Mrs. Swenson’s Social Security benefits, (2) vacated the
    district court’s order directing the disposition of the funds
    pursuant to the writ of garnishment, and (3) remanded for
    further proceedings.
    The panel held that the district court’s disposition order
    pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 3205(c)(7) is a final, appealable
    order that this court has jurisdiction to review.
    The panel held that the district court erred by concluding
    that Mrs. Swenson’s Social Security benefits were subject to
    garnishment to satisfy her husband’s restitution order. The
    panel rejected the government’s contention that the funds are
    subject to garnishment because Swenson has a right to Mrs.
    Swenson’s Social Security benefits pursuant to community
    property principles of Idaho law. The panel noted that the
    Idaho Court of Appeals has ruled that the statutory scheme
    of the Social Security Act is in actual conflict with, and thus
    preempts, the state community property law that would
    otherwise dictate the delineation of property; and that Mrs.
    *
    This summary constitutes no part of the opinion of the court. It
    has been prepared by court staff for the convenience of the reader.
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    Swenson’s benefits are therefore not a divisible community
    asset. The panel wrote that because Mrs. Swenson’s benefits
    are not Mr. Swenson’s property, and Mr. Swenson has no
    right to them, the MVRA does not override the Social
    Security Act’s anti-alienation provision as to Mrs.
    Swenson’s benefits, and thereby permit the government to
    reach them.
    Judge N.R. Smith concurred that this court has
    jurisdiction, and otherwise dissented. He wrote that the
    MVRA allows the government to garnish the account
    because Mr. Swenson has an interest in the account under
    Idaho’s community property law, a conclusion the majority
    avoids by ignoring the fact that federal law does not preempt
    Mr. Swenson’s interest or otherwise bar the government
    from garnishing it.
    4               UNITED STATES V. SWENSON
    COUNSEL
    Jed W. Manwaring (argued) and Christy A. Kaes, Evans
    Keane LLP, Boise, Idaho, for Claimant-Appellant.
    William M. Humphries (argued), Assistant United States
    Attorney; Bart M. Davis, United States Attorney; United
    States Attorney’s Office, Boise, Idaho; for Plaintiff-
    Appellee.
    OPINION
    M. SMITH, Circuit Judge:
    Following a conviction for wire and securities fraud,
    Douglas Swenson (Mr. Swenson) was ordered to pay
    restitution pursuant to the Mandatory Victims Restitution
    Act (MVRA), 18 U.S.C. § 3663A. The government sought
    to enforce the restitution order pursuant to the Federal Debt
    Collection Procedures Act (FDCPA), 28 U.S.C. §§ 3001–
    3308. To do so, the government applied for a post-judgment
    writ of garnishment against a bank account (Account 5784)
    that held the Social Security benefits of Mr. Swenson’s wife,
    Suzann Swenson (Mrs. Swenson), on the theory that those
    funds were subject to garnishment pursuant to community
    property principles of Idaho state law. Mrs. Swenson
    objected to the writ. See 28 U.S.C. § 3205. The district court
    denied Mrs. Swenson’s objections, concluding that the
    MVRA’s enforcement provision, 18 U.S.C. § 3613(a)
    (Section 3613(a)), overrides the protections afforded Social
    Security benefits under the Social Security Act (SSA),
    42 U.S.C. § 407(a), so the benefits were garnishable
    community property. Mrs. Swenson appealed. We hold that
    we have jurisdiction, following the district court’s entry of
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    an order directing the disposition of the funds at issue
    pursuant to the writ of garnishment. We also reverse the
    district court’s disposition order and hold that Mrs.
    Swenson’s Social Security benefits are not subject to
    garnishment pursuant to the MVRA in connection with her
    husband’s criminal restitution order.
    FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
    On April 14, 2014, a jury found Mr. Swenson guilty of
    44 counts of securities fraud and 34 counts of wire fraud.
    Mr. Swenson was sentenced to 240 months in prison and
    ordered to pay over $180 million in restitution pursuant to
    the MVRA. On July 9, 2018, the government initiated
    garnishment proceedings pursuant the FDCPA, and moved
    for enforcement against certain bank accounts belonging to
    one or both of the Swensons. 1 See 28 U.S.C. § 3205. The
    1
    The MVRA allows the government to enforce restitution orders
    pursuant to the FDCPA or individual state laws. See In re Partida,
    
    862 F.3d 909
    , 913 (9th Cir. 2017). The FDCPA “sets forth the exclusive
    civil procedures for the United States . . . to recover a judgment on . . .
    an amount that is owing to the United States on account of . . .
    restitution.” United States v. Mays, 
    430 F.3d 963
    , 965 (9th Cir. 2005)
    (quoting 28 U.S.C. §§ 3001(a)(1), 3002(3)(B)). 28 U.S.C. § 3205 sets
    forth the procedures for garnishment if the government elects to proceed
    under the FDCPA. As relevant here, those procedures provide that the
    government may initiate garnishment proceedings by filing an
    application for a writ of garnishment before the district court. 28 U.S.C.
    § 3205(b)(1). If the government satisfies the statutory requirements for
    a writ, the district court issues a writ of garnishment, and the government
    serves copies on the judgment debtor and the garnishee.
    Id. §§ 3205(b), (c)(3).
    The garnishee, who is the person or entity with custody, control
    or possession of the property subject to the writ, is directed to file an
    answer describing the property.
    Id. § 3205(c)(4). The
    government and
    the judgment debtor then have 20 days to file written objections to the
    answer and request a hearing.
    Id. § 3205(c)(5). Within
    five days of the
    hearing, or if no hearing is requested, the district court is required to enter
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    government filed an application for a writ of garnishment
    that encompassed four accounts: three held in Mrs.
    Swenson’s name, including Account 5784, and one joint
    account. Following receipt of an objection from Mrs.
    Swenson, the government released two of the accounts held
    in her name. Neither Mr. nor Mrs. Swenson objected to the
    writ with respect to the jointly held account. At issue in this
    appeal is Account 5784 held at Idaho Independent Bank, the
    remaining account belonging to Mrs. Swenson. Mrs.
    Swenson objected to the writ of garnishment for Account
    5784, claiming that the funds it held consisted solely of
    deposits of her Social Security benefits, and therefore were
    exempt from garnishment because those funds were not
    community property under Idaho law.
    The district court denied Mrs. Swenson’s objections to
    the writ of garnishment regarding Account 5784, reasoning
    that her Social Security benefits were community property
    because Mrs. Swenson earned the right to receive them while
    working during her marriage to Mr. Swenson. The court
    recognized that those benefits would not be garnishable in
    “an action brought to collect on a common debt,” but
    concluded that pursuant to Section 3613(a), “the protection
    afforded [S]ocial [S]ecurity payments against common
    garnishment proceedings or the division of community
    property in divorce proceedings, has no relevance in a
    collection action under the MVRA.” The district court
    concluded that because Section 3613(a) “specifically
    provides that a judgment ordering restitution may be
    a disposition order “directing the garnishee as to the disposition of the
    judgment debtor’s nonexempt interest in” the property.
    Id. § 3205(c)(7). The
    garnishment terminates if (1) the court issues an order quashing the
    writ; (2) the property in the garnishee’s possession is exhausted; or
    (3) the debt for which the writ was issued is satisfied.
    Id. § 3205(c)(10). UNITED
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    enforced against ‘all property or rights to property’ of the
    defendant,” and a spouse’s retirement and pension benefits
    are community property, the funds in Account 5784 were
    “presumed community property and subject to continued
    garnishment.” The district court entered an order denying
    Mrs. Swenson’s objections with respect to Account 5784,
    and Mrs. Swenson filed a notice of appeal.
    However, in light of the notice of appeal, the government
    did not seek, and the district court did not immediately enter,
    an order directing the disposition of the garnished funds
    pursuant to the FDCPA. See 28 U.S.C. § 3205(c)(7)
    (requiring a court to enter an order directing the garnishee to
    dispose of the debtor’s nonexempt property within five days
    of a hearing). Following oral argument in this appeal, the
    parties stipulated to suspend the appeal to allow further
    proceedings in the district court. Thereafter, and as relevant
    here, the district court entered disposition orders as to the
    two remaining accounts subject to the writ of garnishment,
    including Account 5784. We granted the parties’ subsequent
    stipulation to augment the record with the district court’s
    latest orders, and we resume the appeal.
    STANDARDS OF REVIEW
    Whether this court has subject matter jurisdiction is a
    question we review de novo. Chang v. United States,
    
    327 F.3d 911
    , 922 (9th Cir. 2003). We likewise review de
    novo decisions involving the interpretation of federal
    statutes like the MVRA, cf. UFCW Local 1500 Pension
    Fund v. Mayer, 
    895 F.3d 695
    , 698 (9th Cir. 2018), and
    “questions of law regarding the application of restitution
    statutes,” United States v. Berger, 
    574 F.3d 1202
    , 1204 (9th
    Cir. 2009).
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    ANALYSIS
    I. Appellate Jurisdiction
    We have jurisdiction over “appeals from all final
    decisions of the district courts of the United States.”
    28 U.S.C. § 1291. The government initially sought to
    dismiss this case for lack of appellate jurisdiction,
    contending that the district court’s order denying Mrs.
    Swenson’s objections to the writ of garnishment was not a
    final appealable order. However, after Mrs. Swenson filed
    the notice of appeal, and during a temporary suspension of
    this appeal, the district court entered disposition orders
    pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 3205(c)(7), directing the garnishee
    bank to disburse the funds held in the two accounts subject
    to the writ of garnishment, including Account 5784.
    Following those further proceedings in the district court, we
    are satisfied this case is properly before us.
    Our caselaw does not conclusively resolve which post-
    judgment orders entered pursuant to the FDCPA are final for
    purposes of appeal. In United States v. Mays, 
    430 F.3d 963
    (9th Cir. 2005), we concluded that a district court’s denial of
    a motion to dismiss a writ of garnishment was a final
    judgment where there were “no other matters before the
    district court relating to [the defendant’s] criminal case.”
    United States v. Mays, 
    430 F.3d 963
    , 965 (9th Cir. 2005).
    That holding turned on the fact that the denial order resolved
    all pending matters in the criminal case, including the post-
    judgment garnishment proceedings.
    Id. On that basis,
    we
    distinguished United States v. Moore, 
    878 F.2d 331
    (9th Cir.
    1989), where the appeal involved an interlocutory order
    denying the defendant’s motion to quash a writ of
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    garnishment. 2
    Id. at 331.
    On its face, Mays seems to hold
    that orders denying motions to dismiss a writ of garnishment,
    or other orders akin thereto, including denials of a debtors’
    objections to the writ, can be final, appealable orders.
    However, upon closer investigation, the district court in
    Mays had entered an “order of garnishment” after the
    defendant filed a notice of appeal. Consistent with 28 U.S.C.
    § 3205(c)(7), that order directed the garnishee to pay to the
    government the garnished funds. See Order of Garnishment,
    United States v. Mays, No. 98-cr-03213-JM, (S.D. Cal.
    Aug. 4, 2004), ECF No. 83. Although the notice of appeal
    concerned the denial of the motion to dismiss the writ of
    garnishment and we otherwise did not address the district
    court’s disposition order in our decision, see 
    Mays, 430 F.3d at 965
    , we assumed jurisdiction only after entry of the
    disposition order.
    The Fifth and Seventh Circuits have held that disposition
    orders directing the release of funds for garnishment under
    the FDCPA are final, appealable orders. See United States
    v. Branham, 
    690 F.3d 633
    , 635 (5th Cir. 2012); United States
    v. Kollintzas, 
    501 F.3d 796
    , 799, 801–02 (7th Cir. 2007);
    United States v. Minneman, 6 Fed. App’x 422, 424 (7th Cir.
    Apr. 24, 2001) (“The disposition order concludes the
    garnishment proceedings and therefore that order, and not
    the order denying the debtor’s objections, is the final order
    2
    Moore is distinguishable for another reason—that case was
    decided before passage of the FDCPA, when the government would have
    had to follow state procedural laws to garnish property pursuant to a
    restitution order. See United States v. Parker, 
    927 F.3d 374
    , 379 (5th
    Cir. 2019). That case did not determine which post-judgment
    garnishment orders issued under the FDCPA are final for purposes of
    appeal.
    Id. 10
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    from which a debtor should appeal.”); see also United States
    v. Grigsby, 630 F. App’x 838, 841 (10th Cir. Oct. 29, 2015).
    We agree with the reasoning of our sister circuits that
    disposition orders directing release of the garnished funds
    conclude garnishment writ proceedings. Pursuant to the
    FDCPA, the garnished funds remain in the garnishee’s
    possession unless and until the court orders those funds
    disbursed in a disposition order. See 28 U.S.C. § 3205(c)(7).
    The denial of a judgment debtor’s objections may not be
    final for any number of reasons, including, for example, if a
    judgment debtor files a motion for reconsideration. A
    disposition order (or termination of the garnishment
    otherwise, see
    id. § 3205(c)(10)) concludes
    litigation of the
    writ on the merits and is thus a final judgment for purposes
    of appeal.
    To the extent Mays held that the denial of objections to a
    writ of garnishment is a sufficiently final order for purposes
    of appellate jurisdiction, there is reason to question that
    precedent. The district court below therefore advisedly
    entered § 3205(c)(7) disposition orders when questions
    about our jurisdiction were raised. Those orders concluded
    litigation of the post-judgment writ proceedings on the
    merits and left nothing more for the district court to resolve
    regarding Mrs. Swenson. Because the district court entered
    these disposition orders, it is clear we have appellate
    jurisdiction. Whether Mays would have allowed us to
    assume jurisdiction based merely on the denial of Mrs.
    Swenson’s objections to the writ is thus no longer an issue
    here.
    For the reasons we have given, the district court’s
    § 3205(c)(7) disposition order is a final, appealable order
    that we have jurisdiction to review. Cato v. Fresno City,
    
    220 F.3d 1073
    , 1074 (9th Cir. 2000) (holding that the court
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    “can assume jurisdiction based on a prematurely filed notice
    of appeal when ‘subsequent events can validate [the]
    prematurely filed appeal’” (quoting Anderson v. Allstate Ins.
    Co., 
    630 F.2d 677
    , 681 (9th Cir. 1980))). 3
    II. Whether Account 5784 is Subject to Garnishment
    under the MVRA
    Mrs. Swenson asserts that the district court erred by
    concluding her Social Security benefits were subject to
    garnishment to satisfy her husband’s criminal restitution
    order under the MVRA. We agree.
    The “MVRA rests on the recognition that ‘[i]t is essential
    that the criminal justice system recognize the impact that
    crime has on the victim, and, to the extent possible, ensure
    that [the] offender be held accountable to repay these costs.’”
    United States v. Novak, 
    476 F.3d 1041
    , 1043 (9th Cir. 2007)
    (en banc) (emphasis added) (quoting S. Rep. No. 104-179,
    at 18 (1995)). To ensure that accountability, Section 3613(a)
    consolidated and strengthened the procedures available to
    the government for collecting unpaid restitution. In re
    Partida, 
    862 F.3d 909
    , 913 (9th Cir. 2017) (citing S. Rep.
    No. 104-179, at 12). The statute provides:
    The United States may enforce a judgment
    imposing a fine in accordance with the
    3
    Because we hold that the disposition orders concluded the
    garnishment proceedings at issue and there were no further claims, we
    conclude that a Rule 54(b) certification of the disposition order was not
    required for this appeal. Cf. United States v. Gila Valley Irrigation Dist.,
    
    859 F.3d 789
    , 798–99 (9th Cir. 2017) (concluding that no Rule 54(b)
    certification was required for appeal from order denying application to
    sever water rights when “no additional applications . . remain[ed]
    pending”).
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    practices and procedures for the enforcement
    of a civil judgment under Federal law or State
    law. Notwithstanding any other Federal law
    (including section 207 of the Social Security
    Act), a judgment imposing a fine may be
    enforced against all property or rights to
    property of the person fined[.]
    18 U.S.C. § 3613(a).
    We have recognized from the breadth of the statute’s text
    Congress’s intent to broaden the government’s collection
    powers to reach all of a defendant’s assets. See, e.g.,
    
    Partida, 862 F.3d at 913
    (“By providing that the government
    ‘may enforce a judgment imposing a fine in accordance with
    the practices and procedures for the enforcement of a civil
    judgment under Federal law,’ the MVRA was broadening,
    rather than curtailing, the government’s collection
    powers.”); 
    Novak, 476 F.3d at 1046
    (“By its use of the ‘all
    property or rights to property’ language, . . . Congress has
    made quite clear that the totality of defendants' assets will be
    subject to restitution orders.” (citation omitted)).
    To effectuate that intent, Section 3613(a) explicitly
    overrides conflicting federal laws that would otherwise
    prohibit collection of a defendant’s assets pursuant to a
    restitution order, including the SSA’s anti-alienation
    provision, 42 U.S.C. § 407(a). 4 
    Novak, 476 F.3d at 1046
    4
    Section 207 of the SSA mandates that “[t]he right of any person to
    any future payment . . . shall not be transferable or assignable, at law or
    in equity, and none of the moneys paid or payable or rights existing under
    this subchapter shall be subject to execution, levy, attachment,
    garnishment, or other legal process, or to the operation of any bankruptcy
    or insolvency law.” 42 U.S.C. § 407(a). It further specifies that “[n]o
    other provision of law . . . may be construed to limit, supersede, or
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    (“The Supreme Court has indicated as a general proposition
    that statutory ‘notwithstanding’ clauses broadly sweep aside
    potentially conflicting laws.”). Interpreting Section 3613(a),
    we previously concluded that “by making clear that the
    ‘notwithstanding’ clause ‘includes’ the one federal anti-
    alienation provision that demands explicit statutory override
    [42 U.S.C. § 407(a)], Congress manifested that § 3613(a)
    means what it says—that it reaches ‘all property or rights to
    property’ not excepted . . . including property otherwise
    covered by federally mandated anti-alienation provisions.”
    Id. at 1048
    (citation omitted). Accordingly, both the text of
    Section 3613(a) and our caselaw make clear that, in the event
    of a conflict where the SSA’s anti-alienation provision
    would otherwise protect a defendant’s Social Security
    benefits from collection, Section 3613(a) empowers the
    government to garnish those benefits.
    However, the question here is not whether Mr.
    Swenson’s Social Security benefits are garnishable pursuant
    to the MVRA, but whether his wife’s are. For Mrs.
    Swenson’s Social Security benefits to be garnishable, they
    must be considered Mr. Swenson’s property, or Mr.
    Swenson must have a right to those benefits. See
    id. at 1061
    (“[A] necessary prerequisite to enforcement of a restitution
    order under MVRA” is determining a defendant’s “property
    or rights to property.”).
    The government contends Mr. Swenson has a right to
    Mrs. Swenson’s Social Security benefits pursuant to
    community property principles of Idaho law. But the Idaho
    Court of Appeals has ruled that the statutory scheme of the
    SSA is in actual conflict with, and thus preempts, the state
    otherwise modify the provisions of this section except to the extent that
    it does so by express reference.”
    Id. § 407(b). 14
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    community property law that would otherwise dictate the
    delineation of property. See Sherry v. Sherry, 
    701 P.2d 265
    ,
    270 (Idaho Ct. App. 1985). Mrs. Swenson’s benefits
    therefore, according to the Idaho Court of Appeals, “are not
    a divisible community asset.” 5
    Id. The government advances
    no alternative theory to support its claim that Mrs.
    Swenson’s benefits are her husband’s property.
    Because Mr. Swenson’s “property or rights to property”
    does not include Mrs. Swenson’s Social Security benefits,
    there is no clash between the MVRA and the SSA’s anti-
    alienation provision, as it pertains to the funds in Account
    5
    Our dissenting colleague contends that we must first look to state
    law to determine a defendant’s property rights. But state law does not
    control when federal law preempts state law. The dissent’s reliance on
    authority involving the application of state community property laws that
    are not preempted by federal law thus is unavailing. See, e.g., United
    States v. Elashi, 
    789 F.3d 547
    , 552 (5th Cir. 2015) (discussing two
    unpublished decisions in which the 5th Circuit applied state community
    property law to determine ownership interests in real property and a bank
    account not purporting to hold Social Security benefits). Likewise, the
    cases the dissent cites to support the contention that “the Social Security
    Act often looks to and relies on state law to determine whether an
    individual has rights or access to Social Security benefits” are inapposite.
    Those cases apply state law to determine parentage where a child claims
    entitlement to child survivor benefits by virtue of the child’s relation to
    a deceased parent. See Vernoff v. Astrue, 
    568 F.3d 1102
    , 1104–12 (9th
    Cir. 2009) (considering whether state law treated the claimant as a child
    in order to be eligible for child survivor benefits); Woodward v. Comm’r
    of Soc. Sec., 
    760 N.E.2d 257
    (Mass. 2002) (upon certification from the
    federal district court, answering whether children “resulting from
    posthumous reproduction may enjoy the inheritance rights of ‘issue’
    under the Massachusetts intestacy statute”). Those cases have no
    application here, where no party disputes that Mr. and Mrs. Swenson are
    legally married.
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    5784, for the notwithstanding clause to resolve. 6 See
    Frank’s Landing Indian Cmty. v. Nat’l Indian Gaming
    Comm’n, 
    918 F.3d 610
    , 619 (9th Cir. 2019) (“[T]he word
    ‘notwithstanding’ demonstrates ‘which provision prevails in
    the event of a clash.’” (quoting NLRB v. SW Gen., Inc.,
    
    137 S. Ct. 929
    , 939 (2017)). We do not doubt that if Mr.
    Swenson’s Social Security benefits were at issue, Section
    3613(a) would override the SSA’s anti-alienation provision
    as to his benefits, and the government would be able to
    garnish them. But because Mrs. Swenson’s benefits are not
    Mr. Swenson’s property, and Mr. Swenson has no right to
    them, the MVRA does not override the anti-alienation
    provision as to Mrs. Swenson’s benefits, and thereby permit
    the government to reach them.
    The government contends that the MVRA sweeps aside
    the SSA’s anti-alienation provision generally, without
    regard to the owner of the Social Security benefits at issue,
    and with it, the actual conflict between the SSA’s statutory
    scheme and state community property law. According to the
    government, in the absence of the SSA’s anti-alienation
    provision, state community property law governs the
    characterization of Mrs. Swenson’s Social Security benefits.
    Applying the community property presumption under Idaho
    law, Mrs. Swenson’s benefits “were earned and obtained
    during marriage and are thus presumed community property
    under Idaho law.” Thus, according to the government, Mrs.
    Swenson’s Social Security benefits are part of the
    6
    In reaching this conclusion, we do not impermissibly “bypass[]
    state law,” as the dissent contends, any more than the Idaho court in
    Sherry did. Nothing in the MVRA or SSA mandates the application of
    state law when a state court holds that federal law prevails. Just as in
    Novak, where federal law affected the scope of the defendant’s property
    
    rights, 476 F.3d at 1061
    , the SSA is relevant to the delineation of
    property in this case.
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    community estate, and they are subject to garnishment to
    satisfy Mr. Swenson’s restitution order. We disagree.
    The government’s interpretation would transform the
    MVRA from a procedural mechanism by which the
    government collects debts, to a statute that redefines
    property rights. The government’s position would allow it,
    in effect, to create a property right in assets that do not
    belong to the defendant in any context but MVRA
    garnishment proceedings, for the sole purpose of taking it
    away. In other words, the government would be allowed to
    garnish assets that the defendant would otherwise have no
    right to, simply because the defendant is subject to a
    restitution order. 7
    Our decision in Novak counsels against this
    interpretation. In that case, we held that the government
    could immediately garnish the corpus of a retirement plan
    governed by ERISA only to the extent the plan entitled the
    defendant to demand lump sum payments, and only when
    those benefits did not require spousal consent to become
    payable. 
    Novak, 476 F.3d at 1063
    (“[B]ecause the
    government’s right is to step into the defendant’s shoes, it
    will not be able unilaterally to cash out a retirement plan
    when ERISA requires that lump sum payments be made
    payable only with spousal consent.”). If the retirement plan
    did not provide for lump sum payments, the government
    would have been able to obtain only “post-retirement
    payments that otherwise would have gone to the defendant.”
    7
    Our dissenting colleague also adopts this position, conflating the
    MVRA’s intent to reach all of a defendant’s assets in garnishment
    proceedings, with a permission for the government to “expand the pool”
    of a defendant’s property beyond that which the defendant would have a
    right to any other legal proceeding. There is simply no support for the
    latter contention.
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    Id. Thus, we concluded
    that the government could pursue
    only those assets the defendant was entitled to under the
    relevant federal statute in the absence of a restitution order.
    Put another way, the government was entitled to collect on
    property only to the same extent the defendant had a right to
    it.
    Applying that principle here, the government steps into
    Mr. Swenson’s shoes and is entitled to enforce the restitution
    order against all of his property, but only to the extent Mr.
    Swenson himself is entitled to that property. Irrespective of
    the restitution order, Mr. Swenson would have no right to
    Mrs. Swenson’s Social Security benefits because the SSA
    preempts application of Idaho state law community property
    principles. See 
    Sherry, 701 P.2d at 270
    . As a result, the
    government is likewise prevented from obtaining those
    benefits.
    Because Mr. Swenson had no right to Mrs. Swenson’s
    Social Security benefits, we conclude the district court erred
    by finding that those benefits were subject to garnishment
    pursuant to the MVRA. We REVERSE the order denying
    Mrs. Swenson’s objections to the writ of garnishment,
    VACATE the disposition order pertaining to Account 5784
    and REMAND for further proceedings consistent with this
    opinion.
    18                 UNITED STATES V. SWENSON
    N.R. SMITH, Circuit Judge, concurring that we have
    jurisdiction 1 and otherwise dissenting:
    The critical question in this case is simple: Does Mr.
    Swenson have rights to Account 5784 (“Account”)
    “[n]otwithstanding any other Federal Law”? 18 U.S.C.
    § 3613(a).      In other words, with the MVRA’s
    “‘notwithstanding’ clause[] broadly sweep[ing] aside
    potentially conflicting laws,” In re Partida, 
    862 F.3d 909
    ,
    912 (9th Cir. 2017) (quoting United States v. Novak,
    
    476 F.3d 1041
    , 1046 (9th Cir. 2007) (en banc)), can the
    government reach Mrs. Swenson’s Social Security benefits
    by “step[ping] into [Mr. Swenson]’s shoes”? Novak, at
    1063.
    The MVRA “allow[s] the enforcement of criminal
    restitution orders against ‘all property or rights to property,’
    ‘notwithstanding any other Federal law.’”
    Id. at 1046
    (alterations adopted) (quoting 18 U.S.C. § 3613(a)). “By its
    use of the ‘all property or rights to property’ language,
    Congress has made quite clear that the totality of defendants’
    assets will be subject to restitutions orders.”
    Id. (emphasis added) (citation
    omitted). Indeed, “[t]he statutory language
    ‘all property and rights to property,’ is broad and reveals on
    its face that Congress meant to reach every interest in
    property.”
    Id. (alterations adopted) (emphasis
    added)
    (quoting United States v. Nat’l Bank of Commerce, 
    472 U.S. 713
    , 719–20 (1985)).
    In this case, the MVRA allows the government to garnish
    the Account consisting solely of Mrs. Swenson’s Social
    1
    I agree with the majority’s conclusion that we have jurisdiction
    over this appeal in light of the disposition order entered by the district
    court.
    UNITED STATES V. SWENSON                          19
    Security benefits, because Mr. Swenson has an interest in
    this property under Idaho’s community property law. The
    majority avoids this conclusion by ignoring the fact that
    federal law does not preempt Mr. Swenson’s interest or
    otherwise bar the government from garnishing the account.
    Let me explain.
    I. The proper analytical framework.
    As a threshold matter, the majority failed to clearly
    identify the proper analytical framework for determining
    precisely what property is subject to garnishment under the
    MVRA. The majority’s failure to engage in the proper
    analysis results in its erroneous decision. 2
    The application of the MVRA “involves questions of
    both state and federal law.” Fourth Inv. LP v. United States,
    
    720 F.3d 1058
    , 1067 (9th Cir. 2013). Thus, we apply the
    MVRA in two steps: we must (1) determine a defendant’s
    property or rights in property under state law, and then
    (2) determine whether federal law allows the government to
    garnish the property.
    Id. (noting that only
    “[a]fter
    determining that the taxpayer has a property interest under
    state law” should we consider whether such property can be
    attached or garnished).
    This analytical framework applied in cases in the tax-lien
    context is instructive in the present context for two reasons.
    First, the text of the MVRA indicates that courts should look
    to the analogous tax-lien context for guidance regarding how
    to execute a garnishment order. See 18 U.S.C. § 3613(c) (“A
    fine imposed pursuant to the [MVRA] . . . is a lien in favor
    2
    Though I can’t go too hard on them, because our circuit has never
    clearly resolved this issue.
    20              UNITED STATES V. SWENSON
    of the United States on all property and rights to property of
    the person fined as if the liability of the person fined were a
    liability for a tax assessed under the Internal Revenue Code
    . . . .” (emphasis added)). This guidance makes sense
    considering the close parallel in both language and structure
    between the Internal Revenue Code’s provisions allowing
    for tax liens and the MVRA’s provisions allowing for
    garnishment. See 
    Novak, 476 F.3d at 1049
    –50. Compare
    26 U.S.C. § 6334(c) (“Notwithstanding any other law of the
    United States (including section 207 of the Social Security
    Act), no property or rights to property shall be exempt from
    levy other than the property specifically made exempt by
    subsection       (a).”),   with     18     U.S.C.     § 3613(a)
    (“Notwithstanding any other Federal law (including section
    207 of the Social Security Act), a judgment imposing a fine
    may be enforced against all property or rights to property of
    the person fined, except that” expressly exempted by the
    statute.).
    Second, our sister circuits (that have addressed this
    issue) have expressly and uniformly adopted the framework
    set forth in the tax-lien cases. See United States v. Berry,
    
    951 F.3d 632
    , 635 (5th Cir. 2020) (citing case law from the
    tax lien context in support of the proposition that though
    “[f]ederal law creates the lien, . . . state law defines the
    property interests in which the lien attaches”); see also
    United States v. Elashi, 
    789 F.3d 547
    , 548–52 (5th Cir.
    2015) (noting that special assessments resulting form
    garnishment orders issued pursuant to the MVRA “are
    collected in the same manner as criminal fines and are
    therefore treated in the same manner as federal tax liens”);
    United States v. Smith, 768 F. App’x 926, 931 (11th Cir.
    2019) (unpublished) (adopting the analytical framework
    from the tax lien context in a case dealing with an MVRA
    UNITED STATES V. SWENSON                            21
    restitution order). 3 For these reasons, the analogous tax-levy
    context and the analyses of our sister circuits informs our
    approach to the issue before us. 4
    These cases provide a simple, two-step approach (set
    forth above) to working out precisely what property the
    government may reach: (1) courts must look to state law to
    determine whether the defendant has property rights in the
    property that the government seeks to reach; and (2) if the
    defendant does have rights in that property, courts must
    determine whether the defendant’s state-delineated rights
    qualify as “property or rights to property” that the
    government may garnish under the MVRA. 5 See Elashi,
    3
    For some reason, the majority attempts to make a factual
    distinction between these cases and the one before us. Maj. Op. 14 n.5.
    However, this does not change the underlying principle these cases
    support—that the analytical framework from the tax-lien context is
    relevant here.
    4
    It should be noted that the limited direction we do have in our
    circuit is consistent with the two-step framework that should apply here.
    Indeed, we stated in Novak that state law is the usual starting place for
    our 
    analysis. 476 F.3d at 1061
    (“[S]tate law ordinarily informs the
    delineation of ‘property’ . . . .”). Though we ultimately looked
    exclusively to federal law in that case to determine the extent of the
    defendant’s property rights, this exception to the general rule that state
    law determines rights to property a person has is not applicable in this
    case for the reasons discussed below. See infra at 28–30.
    5
    This straightforward analytical framework is drawn directly from
    the tax-lien context. See 
    Drye, 528 U.S. at 58
    (instructing court to “look
    initially to state law to determine what rights the [defendant] has in the
    property the Government seeks to reach, then to federal law to determine
    whether the [defendant]’s state-delineated rights qualify as ‘property’ or
    ‘rights to property’ within the compass of the federal . . . legislation”);
    Morgan v. Commissioner, 
    309 U.S. 78
    , 80 (1940) (“State law creates
    legal interests and rights. The federal . . . acts designate what interests
    22                 UNITED STATES V. 
    SWENSON 789 F.3d at 552
    (“Once state-law property interests are
    defined, federal law controls the consequences.”); see also
    Smith, 768 F. App’x at 931 (“As with a tax lien, state law
    determines the nature of the legal interest a person has in the
    property sought to be reached.”). Put differently, “Federal
    law creates the [government’s right to garnish], but state law
    defines the property interests to which the lien attaches.”
    
    Berry, 951 F.3d at 635
    ; accord 
    Elashi, 789 F.3d at 552
    . This
    is the proper framework for the analysis here.
    II. Mr. Swenson has rights to Mrs. Swenson’s property
    under Idaho law.
    In concluding that Mr. Swenson has no rights to the
    Account consisting of Mrs. Swenson’s Social Security
    benefits, the majority claims to rely on state law. However,
    federal law controls the majority’s interpretation of Mr.
    Swenson’s property rights. Indeed, the majority relies on an
    out-of-context preemption analysis to support its conclusion
    that federal law limits Mr. Swenson’s rights to Mrs.
    Swenson’s Account. As per the analysis set forth above, I
    start with Idaho law.
    A. Idaho law:          a    presumption         of    community
    property.
    In Idaho, “all property acquired after marriage” is
    presumed to be community property that the government can
    or rights, so created, shall be taxed.”); Fourth Inv. 
    LP, 720 F.3d at 1067
    (“The federal . . . statute itself ‘creates no property rights but merely
    attaches consequences, federally defined, to rights created under state
    law.’” (quoting United States v. Craft, 
    535 U.S. 274
    , 278 (2002))).
    UNITED STATES V. SWENSON                          23
    garnish. 6 See Hoskinson v. Hoskinson, 
    80 P.3d 1049
    , 1062
    (Idaho 2003) (holding that the baseline presumption under
    Idaho state law is that “property acquired after marriage is
    community property”); see also Action Collection Serv., Inc.
    v. Seele, 
    69 P.3d 173
    , 178 (Idaho Ct. App. 2003) (noting that
    a judgment creditor can garnish the non-debtor spouse’s
    community property to satisfy a debt). Because Mrs.
    Swenson earned the right to her Social Security benefits
    while working during her marriage to Mr. Swenson, see
    United States v. Swenson, No. 1:13-cr-00091-BLW, 
    2018 WL 4701783
    , at * 2 (D. Idaho Oct. 1, 2018), the moneys
    resulting from these benefits are presumed to be community
    property to which Mr. Swenson has a legal interest, see
    Estate of Hull v. Williams, 
    885 P.2d 1153
    , 1157 (Idaho Ct.
    App. 1994). Therefore, Mr. Swenson has a legal interest in
    the Account.
    B. Sherry’s recognition of the preemption of Idaho
    law does not support the majority’s conclusion or
    analysis.
    In holding that the government may not garnish the
    Account, the majority erroneously claims that Idaho law
    supports its conclusion that Mr. Swenson has no rights in
    Mrs. Swenson’s Social Security benefits. Maj. Op. 13–14.
    6
    Mrs. Swenson argues that the Account consisting of Social
    Security benefits is not garnishable, because Idaho law exempts certain
    retirement property from attachment or levy. See Idaho Code § 11-
    604A. However, Mrs. Swenson ignores the fact that Idaho Code section
    11-604A(2) expressly provides that its exemption from attachment is
    only applicable “[u]nless otherwise provided by federal law.” In this
    case, the MVRA renders inapplicable these Idaho state law limitations
    on the attachment of Mrs. Swenson’s retirement accounts. See 18 U.S.C.
    § 3613(a) (noting that “a judgment imposing a fine may be enforced
    against all property or rights to property of the person fined”).
    24                 UNITED STATES V. SWENSON
    Not so. It is true that the Idaho Court of Appeals has
    declared that Social Security benefits “are not a divisible
    community asset” in divorce proceedings. See Maj. Op. 14
    (quoting Sherry v. Sherry, 
    701 P.2d 265
    , 270 (Idaho Ct. App.
    1985)). But, context is king. In Sherry, the Idaho Court of
    Appeals did not declare that Social Security benefits are
    separate property as a matter of Idaho 
    law. 701 P.2d at 270
    .
    Instead, and as the majority recognizes, see Maj. Op. 13–14,
    the Sherry court reached its conclusion only because that is
    the result federal law demanded in that particular instance,
    
    Sherry, 701 P.2d at 270
    (recognizing “the supremacy clause
    of the United States Constitution requires that the federal law
    be given effect over the state law” in that context). Thus, in
    Sherry, the Idaho Court of Appeals never claimed to be
    interpreting—much less actually changing or replacing—
    Idaho’s long-standing community property regime; it merely
    found that the Social Security Act—presumably, through
    that Act’s anti-alienation provision 7—required preemption
    7
    It should be noted that the precise basis for the Social Security
    Act’s preemption of Idaho’s community property law in Sherry is
    unclear. Indeed, the Sherry court never explained the exact statutory
    basis for preemption, instead quoting broad language from California
    courts, noting that those courts’ opinions were “well reasoned,” and
    concluding that “a ruling that [S]ocial [S]ecurity benefits are divisible
    community assets would seriously interfere with the express statutory
    scheme of the Social Security Act and is forbidden by the supremacy
    clause of the United States 
    Constitution.” 701 P.2d at 270
    (alteration
    adopted) (quoting In re Marriage of Nizenkoff, 
    135 Cal. Rptr. 189
    , 192
    (Ct. App. 1976)). One case Sherry cites in its preemption discussion—
    In re Marriage of Cohen—found preemption of California’s community
    property regime based on § 207’s anti-alienation provision. 164 Cal.
    Rptr. 672, 675–76 (Ct. App. 1980). The other two cases cited by Sherry
    in support of preemption, In re Marriage of Hillerman and In re
    Marriage of Nizenkoff, found preemption based on other pieces of the
    Social Security Act’s framework—pieces that do not appear to be
    applicable to the present situation. See In re Marriage of
    UNITED STATES V. SWENSON                             25
    of Idaho’s community property regime in the context of the
    division of Social Security benefits in divorce 
    proceedings. 701 P.2d at 270
    .
    This distinction between a court interpreting state law
    and giving effect to federal law over state law is critical here,
    where we are seeking to understand under step one of the
    framework—what rights Mr. Swenson had under state law.
    We recently recognized that a federal law’s preemption of
    state laws does not fundamentally change, eliminate, or
    replace the underlying state law:
    Holding that a state law is preempted by
    federal law does not . . . render the entire state
    law “nonexistent” in the way that plaintiffs
    argue. The state law continues to exist until
    the legislature that enacted it repeals it. At
    the same time, any portion of the law that is
    preempted is unenforceable in court until
    Congress removes the preemptive federal law
    or the courts reverse course on the effect of
    the federal law. See Jonathan F. Mitchell,
    The Writ-of-Erasure Fallacy, 
    104 Va. L
    .
    Hillerman, 
    167 Cal. Rptr. 240
    , 244–46 (Ct. App. 1980) (highlighting
    conflict between California’s community property regime and the Social
    Security Act’s family benefit plans—conflicts that don’t appear to be
    present in this case); In re Marriage of 
    Nizenkoff, 135 Cal. Rptr. at 191
    –
    92 (discussing the fact that the Social Security Act has set up protections
    for divorced spouses—similarly inapplicable here—that creates conflict
    with California’s community property law). Therefore, though it appears
    that § 207’s anti-alienation provision is the only reasonable basis for the
    Social Security Act’s preemption of Idaho’s community property law in
    Sherry, I cannot say for sure that this is the case. To the extent this
    distinction matters, it provides yet another reason (in addition to those
    noted in note 8, see infra at 26 n.8) for us to certify this question to the
    Idaho Supreme Court.
    26                 UNITED STATES V. SWENSON
    Rev. 933, 953 (2018) (“State statutes that
    contradict ‘supreme’ federal law continue to
    exist as ‘laws,’ even as they go unenforced,
    and they would become enforceable if federal
    law were amended or reinterpreted to remove
    the conflict.”).
    Close v. Sotheby’s, Inc., 
    909 F.3d 1204
    , 1209–10 (9th Cir.
    2018) (alteration adopted); see also Armstrong v.
    Exceptional Child Ctr., Inc., 
    575 U.S. 320
    , 325 (2015)
    (noting that the Supremacy Clause merely “instructs courts
    what to do when state and federal law clash”); Saikrishna B.
    Prakash & John C. Yoo, The Origins of Judicial Review,
    70 U. Chi. L. Rev. 887, 903 (2003) (noting that “the
    Supremacy Clause establishes that the Constitution is
    superior to unconstitutional federal statutes” and that
    “[w]hen there is a conflict between the supreme law and state
    . . . laws, state judges are to enforce the supreme law of the
    land” (emphasis added)). Thus, the Idaho Court of Appeals’
    conclusion that Social Security benefits “are not a divisible
    community asset” did not change Idaho law; it merely
    reflects that court giving federal law effect over Idaho’s
    community property law in that specific context. 8 
    Sherry, 701 P.2d at 270
    .
    8
    To the extent my good colleagues disagree with me and believe
    that Sherry actually changed Idaho’s community property law in the
    context of Social Security benefits, they should have let the Idaho
    Supreme Court decide this important question of Idaho law; the
    esteemed justices on that court are, after all, the experts and authority on
    Idaho law. And aside from the fact that they are unquestionably better
    positioned to say what Idaho law is, I am sure they would be happy to
    help this court out with the determination of this question. Moreover,
    our speculation about the meaning of the state law would thus be
    “particularly gratuitous” in these circumstances. Arizonans for Official
    UNITED STATES V. SWENSON                            27
    In ignoring Idaho law, the majority summarily states that
    “state law does not control when federal law preempts state
    law.” Maj. Op. 14 n.5. This is undoubtedly true. However,
    the two-step framework set forth above takes preemption
    into account in step two of the analysis.
    Put differently, the determination of whether Idaho’s
    law—that all property obtained during marriage is
    community property, 
    Hoskinson, 80 P.3d at 1062
    —is
    enforceable (i.e. preempted or not) should not be conflated
    with the threshold question that must be answered in step
    one: What is Idaho law? Only after this step-one question
    has been answered should we ask whether federal law
    nevertheless limits the defendant’s rights under step two of
    the analysis. Indeed, whether Idaho law has been (or, here,
    remains) preempted in this specific context turns on federal
    law, 
    Close, 909 F.3d at 1209
    –10, and is therefore a question
    distinctly reserved for step two of the analysis—determining
    whether, notwithstanding an individual’s state law rights, the
    government can reach the property, see 18 U.S.C. § 3613(a).
    But the majority conveniently casts aside Idaho’s law at step
    one, thereby ridding it of the burden of explaining precisely
    how or why state law is preempted in this specific context.
    At bottom, the general principles of Idaho community
    property law provides the answer. Under Idaho law, Mr.
    Swenson does have rights to the Account, even assuming it
    consists solely of Mrs. Swenson’s Social Security benefits.
    See 
    Hoskinson, 80 P.3d at 1062
    . The next question is
    English v. Arizona, 
    520 U.S. 43
    , 79 (1997) (“Speculation by a federal
    court about the meaning of [state law] in the absence of prior state court
    adjudication” reaching that specific issue “is particularly gratuitous
    when the state courts stand willing to address questions of state law on
    certification from a federal court.” (alteration adopted) (quoting Brockett
    v. Spokane Arcades, Inc., 
    472 U.S. 491
    , 510 (1985))).
    28              UNITED STATES V. SWENSON
    whether the government may garnish the property—i.e.,
    whether federal law preempts state law or otherwise limits
    the government’s ability to reach the property.
    C. Novak’s context-specific analysis does not control.
    The majority also states, albeit briefly, that this reliance
    on federal law (through preemption) is justified, because the
    Social Security Act affects the scope of Mr. Swenson’s
    property rights. See Maj. Op. 15 n.6. But Novak, the lone
    case upon which the majority relies for this proposition, does
    not support the majority’s conclusion. See 
    476 F.3d 1041
    .
    In Novak, the “key question” was whether a participant’s
    contingency “interest in a retirement plan [was] ‘property or
    a right to property’ under 18 U.S.C. § 3613(a).”
    Id. at 1060
    (alterations adopted). In that case, we were trying to
    determine whether the criminal defendant’s contingency
    interests in an ERISA-covered retirement plan even
    amounted to “property” in the first instance. Because the
    nature and extent of an individual’s interests in such a plan
    are “governed exclusively by federal law,” we looked to
    federal law instead of state law to determine the nature and
    extent of any existing property rights.
    Id. at 1061
    (citing
    29 U.S.C. § 1144(a)). In other words, in Novak, there quite
    simply was no state law upon which we could rely to inform
    the nature of the unique “species of property rights that
    [t]here concern[ed] us.”
    Id. Federal law controlled
    whether
    the defendant in Novak had a property interest in the
    retirement benefits at issue through his contingent interests
    in an ERISA retirement plan.
    Id. at 1060
    –62.
    However, Novak does not control here. We expressly
    noted in Novak that our reliance on federal law in delineating
    the property rights in that case was context specific.
    Id. at 1061
    (relying exclusively on federal law “in the current
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    context,” while acknowledging that “state law ordinarily
    informs the delineation of ‘property’” (emphasis added)).
    Our analysis here is different, because the context of this
    case is different. For example, unlike the property at issue
    in Novak, there is no question that the property at issue in
    this case—moneys received solely through Mrs. Swenson’s
    Social Security benefits—is “property” within the meaning
    of the MVRA; it undoubtedly is. Additionally, there are no
    complex, exclusively government-defined contingency
    interests at stake here. The only question is whether Mr.
    Swenson has a right to the moneys sitting in the Account.
    Further, also distinct from the ERISA-covered
    retirement plans at issue in Novak, whether an individual has
    an interest in Social Security benefits is not governed
    exclusively by federal law; the Social Security Act often
    looks to and relies on state law to determine whether an
    individual has rights or access to Social Security benefits. 9
    See, e.g., Vernoff v. Astrue, 
    568 F.3d 1102
    , 1104–12 (9th Cir.
    2009) (analyzing state law to determine whether an
    individual qualified for child survivor benefits under the
    Social Security Act); Woodward v. Comm’r of Soc. Sec.,
    
    760 N.E.2d 257
    (Mass. 2002) (looking to state law principles
    to determine whether a wife was eligible for Social Security
    survivor benefits). Thus, because Mr. Swenson’s interests
    in the property at issue are not controlled exclusively by
    9
    The majority claims that the cases cited in support of this assertion
    are inapposite, because “no party disputes that Mr. and Mrs. Swenson
    are legally married.” Maj. Op. 14 n.5. The majority misses the point. I
    do not cite these cases for to show factual similarity. I cite these cases
    to show that, as a purely legal matter, the majority’s reliance on Novak
    is misplaced, because the Social Security Act context is fundamentally
    different than the ERISA context. While ERISA completely controls
    whether someone has rights to ERISA-controlled retirement accounts;
    the Social Security Act often looks to state law to delineate one’s rights
    to benefits.
    30                UNITED STATES V. SWENSON
    federal law like the Novak defendant’s contingency interests
    in ERISA-covered retirement plans in Novak, the majority
    errs in bypassing state law in determining Mr. Swenson’s
    rights to Mrs. Swenson’s Social Security benefits. 10
    Thus, because (1) our analysis in Novak was context
    specific and (2) unlike in Novak, federal law does not
    exclusively govern the extent to which an individual has
    rights to the property at issue, Novak does not support the
    assertion that “the [Social Security Act] is relevant to the
    delineation of property in this case.” Maj. Op. 15 n. 6. In
    this case, Idaho law—not federal law—delineates the rights
    Mr. Swenson has in the Account.
    III.        The government may garnish the Account.
    Because Mr. Swenson has a state-law property interest
    in the Account, the government has a broad right to garnish
    the Account. See 
    Novak, 476 F.3d at 1063
    (stating that “the
    government’s right is to step into the defendant’s shoes”
    when executing a garnishment order). Indeed, the majority
    agrees that none of the statutory exceptions to the MVRA’s
    broad rights of garnishment apply in the present situation.
    See 18 U.S.C. § 3613(a).
    10
    The majority claims that it does not impermissibly bypass state
    law “any more than the Idaho court in Sherry did.” Maj. Op. 15 n.6. But
    this is flatly untrue. The Sherry court understood and acknowledged that
    Idaho law presumes that all property obtained during marriage is
    community property. Then, operating from that baseline, it conducted
    the relevant preemption analysis. All I ask is that the majority conduct
    the same analysis: first acknowledging what Idaho law requires, then
    analyzing whether federal law preempts Idaho law in this specific
    context. The majority errs because it does not conduct this analysis; it
    simply assumes preemption in this case without carrying out the relevant
    context-specific examination.
    UNITED STATES V. SWENSON                   31
    Section 207 of the Social Security Act—the provision
    requiring preemption of Idaho’s community property regime
    in Sherry—would ordinarily preempt Idaho’s community
    property law, thereby rendering Idaho law unenforceable
    and barring the government from garnishing Mrs.
    Swenson’s Social Security benefits. See 
    Sherry, 701 P.2d at 270
    ; see also Maj. Op. 17 (noting that, were it not for the
    restitution order, “Mr. Swenson would have no right to Mrs.
    Swenson’s Social Security benefits because the [Social
    Security Act] preempts application of Idaho law community
    property principles”). However, in the current context,
    Congress has expressly removed this conflict. See 18 U.S.C.
    § 3613(a) (“Notwithstanding any other Federal law
    (including section 207 of the Social Security Act), a
    judgment imposing a fine may be enforced against all
    property or rights to property of the person fined . . . .”);
    
    Novak, 476 F.3d at 1048
    (“[B]y making clear that the
    ‘notwithstanding’ clause ‘includes’ the one federal anti-
    alienation provision that demands explicit statutory override
    [42 U.S.C. § 407(a)], Congress manifested that § 3613(a)
    means what it says—that it reaches ‘all property or rights to
    property’ not excepted including property otherwise covered
    by federally mandated anti-alienation provisions.” (citation
    omitted)). Thus, unlike in Sherry, there is no conflict
    between the Social Security Act’s anti-alienation provision
    and Idaho community property law.
    Idaho’s community property regime should therefore be
    enforced in this case, because: (1) the MVRA does not
    provide an exception from garnishment for this property, see
    § 3613(a); and (2) unlike in Sherry, there is no conflict
    between state and federal law and is thus no barrier to the
    government stepping into Mr. Swenson’s shoes and
    garnishing the Account, see 
    Close, 909 F.3d at 1209
    –10.
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    This reading of the statute may lead to what some may
    consider inequitable results. Indeed, it certainly is true that
    this approach would allow the government “to garnish assets
    that the defendant”—pursuant to federal law—“would
    otherwise have no right to” in divorce proceedings. Maj. Op.
    16. However, the very purpose of the MVRA was to expand
    the pool of property available to the government’s reach
    beyond what it would be in other contexts. 11 See 
    Novak, 476 F.3d at 1046
    (“By its use of the ‘all property or rights to
    property’ language, Congress has made quite clear that the
    totality of defendants’ assets will be subject to restitution
    orders. The Supreme Court emphasized the breadth of the
    ‘all property or rights to property’ phrase in the context of
    tax collection statutes: ‘The statutory language all property
    and rights to property, . . . is broad and reveals on its face
    that Congress meant to reach every interest in property . . . .”
    (quoting Nat'l Bank of 
    Commerce, 472 U.S. at 719
    –20
    (citations and internal quotation marks omitted)).
    Furthermore, through the implementation of the MVRA,
    “Congress has specifically subordinated the goals of
    economic rehabilitation and equitable distribution of assets
    to the states’ interest in prosecuting criminals.” In re Gruntz,
    
    202 F.3d 1074
    , 1086 (9th Cir. 2000) (en banc).
    11
    The majority claims that this assertion “conflat[es] the MVRA’s
    intent to reach all of a defendant’s assets in garnishment proceedings,
    with a permission for the government to ‘expand the pool’ of a
    defendant’s property beyond that which the defendant would have a right
    to [in] any other legal proceeding.” Maj. Op. 16 n.7. However, the
    majority misconstrues my statement. I do not suggest that the MVRA
    somehow expands the pool of the defendant’s property. It does not.
    However, it does undeniably expand the pool of property within the
    government’s reach by sweeping aside federal laws that would otherwise
    limit that reach. See 18 U.S.C. § 3613(a).
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    I certainly sympathize with the innocent wife’s situation
    and would take no pleasure in allowing the government to
    garnish her Social Security benefits. To be sure, Mrs.
    Swenson has not been convicted of any wrongdoing. 12 But,
    as the author of today’s majority opinion once stated, “for
    better or worse, it has long been true in community property
    jurisdictions that both spouses assume the risks—and
    benefits—of the legal system. The case books are replete
    with examples of seeming injustices to innocent spouses
    where community property laws are applied.” See United
    States v. Berger, 
    574 F.3d 1202
    , 1206 (9th Cir. 2009).
    Idaho’s community property regime gives Mr. Swenson a
    property interest in the Account, regardless of the fact that
    the account solely consists of Mrs. Swenson’s Social
    Security benefits. Therefore, the government can reach it
    under the MVRA.
    12
    The majority makes much of the fact that Mrs. Swenson is not the
    subject of the criminal proceedings or the garnishment order. See Maj.
    Op. 11 (noting that the MVRA was enacted to “ensure that the offender
    be held accountable” for their actions (alterations adopted) (quoting
    
    Novak, 476 F.3d at 1043
    ));
    id. at 12
    (recognizing “Congress’s intent to
    broaden the government’s collection powers to reach all of a defendant’s
    assets”). However, this consideration is irrelevant. Indeed, as the
    majority has recognized, see Maj. Op. 13, the only relevant questions is
    not who holds title to the property, but whether the criminal defendant—
    here Mr. Swenson—has “rights to” the property. See § 3613(a). And in
    this case, because Mr. Swenson has rights to the property at issue through
    Idaho’s community property law, it doesn’t matter whether Mrs.
    Swenson is innocent or guilty as sin; Mrs. Swenson’s Account consisting
    solely of moneys stemming from her Social Security benefits can be
    garnished by the government.