McProud v. Siller (In Re CWS Enterprises, Inc.) ( 2017 )


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  •                FOR PUBLICATION
    UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
    FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
    IN RE CWS ENTERPRISES, INC.,        No. 14-17045
    Debtor,
    D.C. Nos.
    2:10-cv-00779-KJM
    SPILLER MCPROUD,                  2:10-cv-00780-KJM
    Plaintiff-Appellee,   2:12-cv-00142-KJM
    v.
    CHARLES W. SILLER,
    Defendant-Appellant,
    and
    DAVID D. FLEMMER, Chapter 11
    Trustee; CWS ENTERPRISES,
    INC.,
    Defendants.
    2              IN RE CWS ENTERPRISES
    IN RE CWS ENTERPRISES, INC.,           No. 14-17046
    Debtor,
    D.C. Nos.
    2:10-cv-00779-KJM
    SPILLER MCPROUD,                    2:10-cv-00780-KJM
    Plaintiff-Appellee,     2:12-cv-00142-KJM
    v.
    OPINION
    CWS ENTERPRISES, INC.;
    CHARLES W. SILLER,
    Defendants,
    and
    DAVID D. FLEMMER, Chapter 11
    Trustee,
    Defendant-Appellant.
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the Eastern District of California
    Kimberly J. Mueller, District Judge, Presiding
    Argued and Submitted October 21, 2016
    San Francisco, California
    Filed September 14, 2017
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    Before: Andrew J. Kleinfeld and Milan D. Smith, Jr.,
    Circuit Judges, and Edward R. Korman,* District Judge.
    Opinion by Judge Kleinfeld
    SUMMARY**
    Bankruptcy
    The panel affirmed the district court’s reversal of the
    bankruptcy court’s decision reducing a claim for pre-petition
    attorneys’ fees pursuant to 
    11 U.S.C. § 502
    (b)(4), which
    limits claims for services rendered by the debtor’s attorney to
    the extent that such claims exceed the reasonable value of
    such services.
    Agreeing with the Tenth Circuit, the panel held that
    section 502(b)(4) acts as a federal cap on a fee already
    determined pursuant to state law. The proper mode of
    analysis is: (1) an acknowledgment or determination that the
    fee contract was breached; (2) an assessment of the damages
    for the breach under state law; (3) a determination under
    section 502(b)(4) of reasonableness of the damages claim
    afforded by state law; and (4) a reduction of the claim by
    whatever extent, if any, it is deemed excessive. The panel
    held that it is error for a bankruptcy court to bypass this
    *
    The Honorable Edward R. Korman, United States District Judge for
    the Eastern District of New York, sitting by designation.
    **
    This summary constitutes no part of the opinion of the court. It has
    been prepared by court staff for the convenience of the reader.
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    analysis and determine for itself in the first instance a
    reasonable contingent fee using the lodestar method.
    Agreeing with the Third Circuit, which analyzed section
    502(b)(7), the panel held that the bankruptcy code’s
    reasonableness cap limits a pre-petition obligation for a
    debtor’s attorneys’ fees, even if such fees were allowable
    under state law, and even if such fees had been reduced to a
    state court judgment.
    The panel held that the bankruptcy court was required to
    give full faith and credit to a state court’s judgment,
    confirming an arbitration award and entitling the attorneys to
    their fees, to the same extent that California res judicata law
    would give that judgment preclusive effect. The panel
    affirmed the district court’s conclusion that issue preclusion
    applied because the arbitration proceeding establishing the
    reasonableness of the fees was fully contested and later
    confirmed by the judgment of a California court. The panel
    held that, although there might in some cases be room for a
    reduction, under section 502(b)(4)’s reasonableness cap, of a
    state court judgment confirming an arbitration award for a
    contingent fee, there was no room in this case because the
    relationship between the contracted-for amount the service
    the attorneys provided was not such as to make enforcement
    of the contract or payment of the fee unreasonable.
    COUNSEL
    Bradley A. Benbrook (argued) and Stephen M. Duvernay,
    Benbrook Law Group PC, Sacramento, California; David A.
    Cheit, DLA Piper LLP (US), Sacramento, California; for
    Defendant-Appellant David D. Flemmer.
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    Randy Michelson (argued), Michelson Law Group, San
    Francisco, California, for Defendant-Appellant Charles W.
    Siller.
    Steven T. Spiller (argued), Spiller McProud, Nevada City,
    California; Walter R. Dahl, Dahl Law, Sacramento,
    California, for Plaintiff-Appellee Spiller McProud.
    OPINION
    KLEINFELD, Senior Circuit Judge:
    We address the bankruptcy code’s provision on claims for
    pre-petition attorneys’ fees, 
    11 U.S.C. § 502
    (b)(4).
    FACTS
    Charles Siller has been litigating with his brothers over
    his interest in the family business since 1982. The family
    business, Siller Brothers, Inc., held among its assets some 500
    pieces of real estate, and Siller owned 40% of the stock. By
    2001, Siller Brothers, Inc. had obtained a $10 million
    judgment against Siller, and it was threatening to execute on
    his shares. To fight this litigation, Siller retained several law
    firms at various times.
    In 2001, Spiller hired the law firm Cotchett, Pitre &
    Simon1 to represent him both in his lawsuit with his brothers
    and a legal malpractice dispute with some of his former
    lawyers. The Cotchett firm agreed to a contingent fee of 28%
    1
    The firm would later be renamed Cotchett, Pitre & McCarthy.
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    of the net settlement or trial award after subtraction of a
    $10 million judgment against Siller in favor of his brothers.
    The engagement agreement said that Siller was “without
    funds to pay hourly fees.” The arbitration provision, initialed
    by Siller when he signed it, stated that “any dispute” relating
    to the fee agreement or the Cotchett firm’s performance of
    services would be submitted to arbitration.
    Two and a half years later, Siller retained the Spiller •
    McProud law firm. Siller hired the Spiller firm “not as
    additional trial attorneys, but to assist, advise and discuss
    these legal matters personally” with Siller, and to act as “an
    interface” for Siller “with the attorneys at the Cotchett law
    firm.” The Spiller firm was to work to ensure that Siller
    could “fully understand and [be] in agreement with the
    Cotchett law firm’s trial strategy, trial preparation (including
    selection of experts), and conduct of the trial itself.” The
    Spiller firm was to serve as Siller’s “general counsel” and “to
    communicate to the Cotchett law firm [Siller’s] ideas,
    suggestions, and requests.”
    Siller wanted Spiller • McProud to convince the Cotchett
    firm to pursue a theory that Siller’s brother’s death entitled
    Siller to purchase his brother’s shares for a small fraction of
    what they were worth, under a separate contract Siller had
    with his deceased brother. The Spiller firm agreed, but Siller
    and the Spiller firm expressly agreed that the contingent fee
    would not depend on the success of this theory. The Spiller
    firm was to get 8% of the same net amount from which the
    Cotchett firm’s 28% contingent fee was to be calculated.
    Siller and the Spiller firm also incorporated the other terms of
    Siller’s agreement with the Cotchett firm, including the
    arbitration provision.
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    The Cotchett firm, consulting with the Spiller firm, won
    Siller’s case against Siller Brothers, Inc. After a failed
    mediation and a stay of execution on Siller Brothers, Inc.’s
    $10 million judgment against Siller, the case went to trial in
    California Superior Court. The judge issued a proposed
    judgment valuing Siller’s shares at over $56 million. Pending
    appeal and cross appeal, the parties settled for $10 million
    cash to Siller and $20.5 million worth of real estate in
    exchange for Siller’s shares. Consistent with Siller’s fee
    agreements with the firms, the contingent fees were to be
    based upon the $30.5 million value of the settlement.
    Documentation was delayed while Siller’s counsel, working
    with tax experts, created for Siller a new corporate spinoff,
    CWS Enterprises, Inc., so that Siller could mitigate the tax
    impact of his lawyers’ victory.
    The firms also tried other cases that Siller insisted on.
    While the dissolution case was ongoing, the Cotchett and
    Spiller firms filed a separate action against Siller Brothers,
    Inc. and pursued Siller’s preferred theory (that Siller had
    acquired a right to buy his deceased brothers’ shares cheaply
    under a separate contract). They lost that case. The two
    firms also lost a malpractice case Siller brought against one
    of his previous lawyers, and they negotiated a $41,000
    settlement in another case where Siller had refused to pay a
    different set of previous lawyers. (Siller then refused to pay
    even the $41,000 settlement, so those disputes remained
    pending after he moved on from the Cotchett and Spiller
    firms.)
    Nor would Siller pay the 28% and 8% fees he had agreed
    to pay the Cotchett and Spiller firms, respectively. Siller’s
    failure to pay the Spiller firm its 8% contingent fee is the
    subject of the appeal before us. Siller and the two firms
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    arbitrated the fee dispute before a retired state judge acting as
    arbitrator, presenting two days of testimony and extensive
    argument.
    Every aspect of the arbitration, including whether it
    should take place, was hotly contested. Despite his
    agreement to arbitrate “any dispute,” Siller refused to do so
    until the Superior Court denied his ex parte application to
    prevent such arbitration. Siller then continued his attempt to
    evade arbitration by way of unsuccessful motions in limine
    before the arbitrator.
    During the arbitration, Siller’s counsel led off his cross
    examination of the attorneys’ lead witness, Mr. Pitre of
    Cotchett, Pitre, by asking what his and his associates’ hourly
    rates were. Siller’s lawyer then asked why they had
    contracted for a contingent fee. Pitre replied, “Because Mr.
    Siller didn’t have any money,” so the attorneys would have
    to be paid “[o]ut of a recovery, hopefully.” The lawyers
    advanced about $400,000 in expenses, as well as their time
    and effort. Pitre was initially reluctant to pursue the case
    against Siller’s deceased brother under the buy-sell agreement
    (the theory under which Siller would buy his brother’s shares
    for a valuation price that was a small fraction of what the
    shares were worth) because he doubted that agreement’s
    enforceability. But, as Spiller had agreed to do in his retainer
    agreement, he consulted with Pitre and came up with a theory
    that the two firms could advance with a straight face. (They
    lost that portion of the case, as they did the malpractice case
    Siller had started against one of his previous lawyers.)
    As Siller’s attorney presented his case during the
    arbitration, (1) the real estate accounting for two thirds of the
    settlement had declined in value since the settlement, so if a
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    contingent fee applied at all, it should be against much less
    than the $30.5 million; (2) the value of the legal services was
    far less than the contingent fee would yield; (3) much of the
    work, including the failed lawsuits against the deceased
    brother’s estate and the failed lawsuit against one of Siller’s
    previous attorneys, produced no value, so the attorneys
    should not be compensated for it; (4) Spiller had participated
    actively in the successful trial, but had only been retained as
    “general counsel” to consult, so he ought not to be
    compensated for any of that time; and (5) the money went to
    the spinoff created for Siller to avoid taxes, not to Siller, and
    the spinoff had not signed the fee agreement, so no fees were
    due.
    Siller’s case focused largely on the reasonable value of
    the Cotchett and Spiller firms’ respective services, both as an
    alternative to the contingent fee agreement and as
    justification for not holding him to his contingent fee
    agreement. Siller’s attorney urged the arbitrator to limit
    compensation to “the reasonable value of the services
    rendered” because the Cotchett and Spiller firms had “failed
    to fulfill” their contracts. He argued that “[i]f you have a
    breach of contract then the answer’s in quantum meruit.”
    “And even if it’s a contract, the law says you must prove
    reasonable value of the services, and that goes to the
    performance.” Siller’s attorney argued that the hours were
    also relevant to “the issue of conscionability.” “[T]he
    conscionability of this fee will be determined also based upon
    . . . [the] hours they devoted to matters that they failed to
    bring to conclusion through their own errors,” referring to the
    unsuccessful malpractice case against one of Siller’s prior
    lawyers.
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    The Cotchett and Spiller firms objected to all this
    evidence, which was the bulk of Siller’s case, on the theory
    that evidence as to quantum meruit was not necessary in a
    breach of contract action. But they conceded that Siller could
    “inquire about the amount of time put into the matters . . . the
    time for their quantum meruit,” because it was an issue the
    arbitrator could reach if he deemed the contract void.
    Siller’s attorney pointed out that the arbitrator had not yet
    ruled on whether the contingent fee agreement was binding,
    so “quantum meruit is still an issue.” He argued that if the
    contract was not deemed to be binding, then quantum meruit
    would determine the proper amount of the fee, and even if the
    contract were binding, counsel would still have to show a
    reasonable effort to justify the amount of the fee under state
    bar rules. So “[u]ltimately this comes down to hours,”
    Siller’s attorney argued, which apparently is why Siller’s
    presentation was largely a challenge to how many hours
    ought not to be compensated because they were either not
    contracted-for or led to no success.
    The arbitrator overruled the Cotchett and Spiller firms’
    objections and let in all of Siller’s evidence going to the value
    of the attorneys’ services, including evidence concerning the
    reasonableness of the attorneys’ contingent fees, the hours the
    attorneys worked, and the reasonableness of the time they
    spent relative to the results (except for some details regarding
    valuation of the parcels of real estate they won for Siller),
    evidently because that evidence might bear on quantum
    meruit or unconscionability if the arbitrator decided the case
    on either basis.
    Spiller testified that he put in 1,760 hours and that his
    usual rate was $250 per hour. He and Pitre had told Siller
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    that the actions to enforce the buy-sell agreement and for
    legal malpractice were likely to be unsuccessful (and they
    were), but Siller insisted on pursuing them anyway.
    After hearing all of this testimony and argument, the
    arbitrator chose to view the case as a claim on a contract, the
    written fee agreements. He concluded that the fee agreements
    were not unconscionable, that they were “reasonable,” and
    that the two firms were entitled to every penny of the fees
    they and Siller had agreed to, as well as the expenses the
    firms had advanced on Siller’s behalf. The Cotchett firm and
    Siller have since settled, so we need discuss only the Spiller
    firm’s claim.
    The arbitrator found that Siller provided extensive advice
    almost daily for the three years of the litigation, working “full
    bore” for “over 1,760 hours on Siller’s behalf.” (The dispute
    had been litigated through multiple trials and proceedings in
    multiple courts on multiple theories, including Siller’s
    disputes with several of his former attorneys.) The arbitrator
    also concluded that, as Siller himself admitted in his
    testimony, he had hired Spiller to assist trial counsel, not just
    to advise.
    The arbitrator wrote a detailed, 26-page, single-spaced
    opinion explaining his decision. After rejecting Siller’s
    theories for why the arbitration should not proceed, and why
    it should not bind CWS (the corporate spinoff created so that
    Siller could avoid taxes on his $30.5 million settlement), the
    arbitrator made findings of fact regarding the fee agreements.
    He found that Spiller “worked . . . alongside [the Cotchett
    lawyers] on all litigation.” As for Siller’s contention that
    Spiller was not supposed to do that, just act as his “general
    counsel” to advise and inform him and the Cotchett firm, the
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    arbitrator found otherwise. “Siller testified that he hired
    Spiller to ‘help Frank [Pitre] and not just to advise . . .
    although Spiller did provide Siller with extensive advice
    about the progress of the litigation on an almost daily basis
    throughout three years of representation.” The arbitrator
    further found that Spiller spent less than 5% of his time on
    the unsuccessful malpractice litigation against one of Siller’s
    previous lawyers and sought no fees for that work.
    As for not completing the contract, the arbitrator credited
    Spiller’s contention that Siller fired his lawyers “hoping to
    avoid paying his now former counsel” by “actions clearly
    designed to avoid payment of his legal obligations attendant
    to the extraordinary result obtained,” a $30.5 million
    settlement on a $45.7 judgment obtained after years of
    representation in complex litigation.
    The critical question for this appeal, as argued on Siller’s
    behalf, is whether the arbitrator resolved only the issue of
    whether the contingent fee was unconscionable as applied to
    the $30.5 million result, or whether the arbitrator also
    determined the reasonable value of the legal services
    performed. The transcripts show, and the arbitrator found,
    that Siller’s attorney “devoted most of his cross examination
    to a detailed attack on how Mr. Pitre and Mr. Spiller spent
    their time on the case, on the theory that the Arbitrator might
    find the contract to be unconscionable (it is not) and that
    quantum meruit would be relevant.” The arbitrator
    concluded, though, that quantum meruit was not relevant
    because the contingent fee agreement was a valid contract.
    He expressly found that the contracted-for percentages were
    “reasonable” based on the work put into the case, the risks,
    and the need for counsel to finance the litigation.
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    Siller did not pay what the arbitrator concluded he owed,
    so the Cotchett and Spiller firms sought and obtained
    confirmation of the award in California Superior Court. The
    Superior Court entered a money judgment in their favor for
    the amount of the award. But Siller did not pay the judgment,
    either; instead, he prevented its execution by filing for
    chapter 11 bankruptcy.
    The bankruptcy court took a fresh look at the “reasonable
    value” of Spiller’s services under section 502(b)(4) and
    applied a lodestar approach, multiplying Spiller’s hourly rate
    by those hours that the bankruptcy court adjudged to be
    productive on the portions of the litigation on which Spiller
    was successful. Using this approach, the bankruptcy court
    concluded that Spiller’s fee was unreasonably high and
    should have been $440,250 (rather than the arbitrator’s figure
    of just under $2.5 million).
    The bankruptcy court’s view was that there were “two
    tiers of reasonableness scrutiny,” first under state law, which
    if not satisfied required disallowance of the claim as
    “unenforceable,” and then under bankruptcy law,
    independently of state standards. The bankruptcy court did
    not articulate what the federal standard of reasonableness
    was, just that it was not necessarily satisfied by
    reasonableness under state standards. As the bankruptcy
    court saw it, the arbitrator had not determined reasonableness
    because he merely conducted a contract analysis under the
    contingent fee agreement. Responding to the attorneys
    argument that full faith and credit should be given to the
    Superior Court judgment, the bankruptcy court held that “as
    a matter of the Supremacy Clause, and regardless of the state
    preclusion law, the state-court judgment based on state law
    cannot trump the specific provision in Bankruptcy Code
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    502(b)(4).” As for claim and issue preclusion, the bankruptcy
    court’s view was that since section 502(b)(4) of the
    bankruptcy code could not have been raised in the arbitration
    (because Siller had not yet filed for bankruptcy), the claim
    arbitrated did not involve the same “primary right.” The
    bankruptcy court thus could determine reasonableness on a
    clean slate without taking account of the arbitration award
    and the California Superior Court judgment.
    The district court, on the Spiller firm’s appeal, reversed.
    The controlling determination in the district court decision
    was that “the similarity between the standard for determining
    the unconscionability of a contingent fee agreement, which
    was before the arbitrator, and the bankruptcy court’s standard
    for determining the reasonable value of the fees suggests that
    the issue of an appropriate fee for appellant’s work was
    necessarily determined and actually litigated in the formal
    arbitration that took place here.” The district court noted that
    the bankruptcy court “did not consider the transcript of the
    arbitration proceedings in determining what was before the
    arbitrator.” The district court did consider the transcript to
    see whether reasonableness was at issue. It noted that Siller’s
    position in the arbitration, fully litigated, was that, despite a
    contingent fee agreement, the attorneys still had to prove
    “reasonable effort . . . to justify the fee.” The arbitrator heard
    evidence about the time spent and the complexities and risks
    of the litigation, not just the contract itself, and evaluated all
    of these factors for reasonableness. The district court
    concluded that “[b]y considering both the reasonable nature
    of the contingent fee contracts and rejecting the claim that the
    contracts were unconscionable, and applying California’s
    tests for both determinations, the arbitrator necessarily
    decided that the fees were reasonable within the
    contemplation of § 502(b)(4).”
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    After a trial in the bankruptcy court, Siller and the trustee
    argued in a second appeal to the district court that the issues
    adjudicated by the arbitrator were not “identical,” as required
    by California res judicata law, to the reasonableness
    determination under the bankruptcy code, so the judgment
    confirming the arbitration award should have no preclusive
    effect. But the district court, based on the arbitration
    transcript and arbitrator’s decision, found that “the arbitrator
    determined that Spiller’s fees were not unconscionable
    applying a test equivalent to the federal reasonableness test,”
    so the California Superior Court judgment was entitled to
    preclusive effect. Because the case required no further
    proceedings in bankruptcy court once the amount of Spiller’s
    claim was liquidated, and because that condition had
    occurred, the district court held that Spiller was entitled to the
    full amount of his claim as adjudicated.
    Siller and his new spinoff corporation appeal.
    ANALYSIS
    Two statutes are at issue in this case, the bankruptcy
    code’s provision on claims for pre-petition attorneys’ fees,
    
    11 U.S.C. § 502
    (b)(4), and the Full Faith and Credit Act,
    
    28 U.S.C. § 1738
    . The first limits claims after the objection
    of an interested party. Here is its text:
    (b) Except as provided in subsections (e)(2),
    (f), (g), (h) and (I) of this section, if such
    objection to a claim is made, the court, after
    notice and a hearing, shall determine the
    amount of such claim in lawful currency of
    the United States as of the date of the filing of
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    the petition, and shall allow such claim in
    such amount, except to the extent that–
    ...
    (4) if such claim is for services of an insider
    or attorney of the debtor, such claim exceeds
    the reasonable value of such services.2
    Here is the text of the Full Faith and Credit Act:
    The Acts of the legislature of any State,
    Territory, or Possession of the United States,
    or copies thereof, shall be authenticated by
    affixing the seal of such State, Territory or
    Possession thereto.
    The records and judicial proceedings of any
    court of any such State, Territory or
    Possession, or copies thereof, shall be proved
    or admitted in other courts within the United
    States and its Territories and Possessions by
    the attestation of the clerk and seal of the
    court annexed, if a seal exists, together with a
    certificate of a judge of the court that the said
    attestation is in proper form.
    Such Acts, records and judicial proceedings or
    copies thereof, so authenticated, shall have the
    same full faith and credit in every court within
    the United States and its Territories and
    Possessions as they have by law or usage in
    2
    
    11 U.S.C. § 502
    .
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    the courts of such State, Territory or
    Possession from which they are taken.3
    There is little circuit court authority on section 502(b)(4)
    of the bankruptcy code. It limits claims for services rendered
    by the debtor’s attorney to the extent that such claims exceed
    “the reasonable value of such services.”4 The text leaves
    room for argument about how to apply it, especially in
    conjunction with any prior determination regarding attorneys’
    fees and with the Full Faith and Credit Act.5 The district
    court concluded that a Tenth Circuit decision, Landsing
    Diversified Properties v. First National Bank and Trust Co.
    (In re Western Real Estate Fund, Inc.),6 provided a sound
    analysis, and so do we. There are a number of bankruptcy
    court, bankruptcy appellate panel, and district court decisions
    taking both consistent and different views.7 We adopt the
    Tenth Circuit’s position. Federal law benefits from
    consistency between circuits, and we agree with our sister
    circuit’s reasoning.
    3
    
    28 U.S.C. § 1738
    .
    4
    
    11 U.S.C. § 502
    (b)(4).
    5
    
    28 U.S.C. § 1738
    .
    6
    
    922 F.2d 592
     (10th Cir. 1990), modified sub nom. Abel v. West,
    
    932 F.2d 898
     (10th Cir. 1991).
    7
    See, e.g., In re Placide, 
    459 B.R. 64
     (B.A.P. 9th Cir. 2011); In re
    Solar Trust of America, LLC, No. 12-11136, 
    2015 WL 1011548
     (Bankr.
    D. Del. Jan. 12, 2015); In re Boulder Crossroads, LLC, No. 09-10381,
    
    2010 WL 4924745
     (Bankr. W.D. Tex. Dec. 1, 2010); In re Heritage
    Organization, L.L.C., No. 04-35574, 
    2006 WL 6508182
     (Bankr. N.D.
    Tex. Jan. 6, 2006); In re Russell Cave Co., 
    253 B.R. 815
     (Bankr. E.D. Ky.
    2000); In re Nelson, 
    206 B.R. 869
     (Bankr. N.D. Ohio 1997).
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    In Western Real Estate, the bankrupt entered into a pre-
    petition fee agreement with counsel for a reduced hourly rate
    plus a 25% contingent fee.8 Agreeing with our decision in In
    re Yermakov, the Tenth Circuit reasoned that, subject to
    section 502(b)(4), “a pre-petition contingency fee agreement
    between the debtor and an attorney is . . . ‘like any other
    contract claim against the estate.’”9 Citing our decision in In
    re Pacific Far East Line, the Tenth Circuit concluded that the
    source of allowable contract damages for a breached
    attorney’s fee agreement is state law.10 Western Real Estate
    rejects the notion that under section 502(b)(4), federal law
    provides for a bankruptcy court to establish the
    reasonableness of an attorney’s fee in the first instance,
    independently of state law. Instead, 502(b)(4) works as a
    federal cap on a fee already determined pursuant to state
    law.11 The proper mode of analysis, Western Real Estate
    holds, is:
    (1) an acknowledgment or determination
    that the fee contract was breached;
    (2) an assessment of the damages for the
    breach under state law;
    (3) a determination under section
    502(b)(4) of the reasonableness of the
    8
    Western Real Estate, 922 F.2d at 594.
    9
    Id. (citing Yermakov, 
    718 F.2d 1465
    , 1470 (9th Cir. 1983)).
    10
    
    Id.
     (citing Pacific Far East Line, Inc., 
    654 F.2d 664
    , 668–70 (9th
    Cir. 1981)).
    11
    See 
    id.
     at 595–97.
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    damages claim afforded by state law;
    and
    (4) a reduction of the claim by whatever
    extent, if any, it is deemed excessive.12
    Western Real Estate holds that it is error for a bankruptcy
    court to bypass this analysis, as the bankruptcy court did in
    this case, and determine for itself in the first instance a
    reasonable contingent fee using the lodestar method.13
    Western Real Estate also holds that contingent fee
    agreements “provide reasonable alternatives to the hourly
    retainer, despite the fact that, as a result of their contingent
    and therefore risky nature, such agreements typically generate
    fees . . . substantially in excess of” lodestar calculations
    when the lawyer succeeds.14 Citing our decision in Venegas
    v. Skaggs,15 Western Real Estate holds that the contingent and
    therefore risky nature of a contingent fee is itself an element
    of the reasonableness analysis.16
    In the case before us, the Spiller firm’s fee had been
    reduced to judgment pursuant to state law in a California state
    12
    See id. at 597.
    13
    See id. at 597–98.
    14
    Id. at 597.
    15
    
    867 F.2d 527
     (9th Cir. 1989), aff’d sub nom. Venegas v. Mitchell,
    
    495 U.S. 82
     (1990).
    16
    
    Id.
     at 532 (citing Hamner v. Rios, 
    769 F.2d 1404
    , 1409 (9th Cir.
    1985)).
    20                     IN RE CWS ENTERPRISES
    court. It had also been “deemed allowed” under section
    502(a) subject to Siller’s section 502(b)(4) objection.17 Siller
    had argued that because he fired the Cotchett and Spiller
    firms before the settlement was collected, he did not owe
    them their contingent fees. But the arbitrator found that this
    attempt by Siller to evade the fees should fail. The Superior
    Court judgment established that under California law, the
    Spiller firm was entitled to $2,497,325.07 for his fees and
    $800 for costs (plus 10% interest beginning November 25,
    2008). So the first and second steps of the Western Real
    Estate analysis are complete.
    Applying the section 502(b)(4) reasonableness test and
    reducing the claim to the extent of any excess are the third
    and fourth steps of the analysis, not the first. The bankruptcy
    court performed its reasonableness analysis from scratch,
    using the lodestar method, rather than treating it as a cap on
    the amount allowed under state law. We therefore conclude
    that the bankruptcy court’s analysis was mistaken in this case
    for the same reason as the bankruptcy court’s analysis in
    Western Real Estate.
    So far, we have glossed over another question: whether
    section 502(b)(4) of the bankruptcy code leaves any room to
    reduce an attorney’s fee that a state court has deemed
    reasonable as a matter of state law, that is, whether the
    section 502(b)(4) reasonableness cap can ever require a
    reduction in such a fee. And we also have not yet spoken to
    the res judicata effect of a judgment entered prior to the filing
    of a bankruptcy petition.
    17
    
    11 U.S.C. § 502
    (a).
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    The Third Circuit, in Anthony v. Interform,18 answered
    these questions for another of the section 502(b) exceptions.
    As in our case, the bankruptcy claim in Anthony was based on
    a pre-petition state court judgment confirming an arbitration
    award.19 Anthony construes section 502(b)(7) of the
    bankruptcy code, which limits a claimant’s damages from the
    termination of an employment contract to one year’s pay after
    termination or after the employer filed for bankruptcy (even
    if the employer breached a multi-year employment contract
    and left more than a year unfulfilled).20 The employer in
    Anthony thwarted the employee’s attempt to execute on his
    state court judgment by filing for chapter 11 bankruptcy
    relief,21 so the employee filed a bankruptcy claim for the
    amount of the judgment.22
    Anthony rejects the proposition that the 502(b)(7) cap
    applies only to executory contracts and not to judgments.23
    Even though the employee obtained a state court judgment
    amounting to several years’ pay after his employer’s breach,
    18
    
    96 F.3d 692
     (3d Cir. 1996).
    19
    
    Id. at 693
    .
    20
    
    11 U.S.C. § 502
    (b)(7).
    21
    Anthony, 
    96 F.3d at 693
    .
    22
    
    Id.
    23
    Bankruptcy courts have gone both ways on this issue. Compare,
    e.g., In re Vic Snyder, Inc., 
    23 B.R. 185
    , 186–87 (Bankr. E.D. Pa. 1982)
    with In re Networks Elec. Corp., 
    195 B.R. 92
    , 99–100 (B.A.P. 9th Cir.
    1996).
    22                     IN RE CWS ENTERPRISES
    in bankruptcy he was entitled only to one year’s pay.24 The
    Anthony court looked through the employee’s state court
    judgment to the claim upon which it was based, applying the
    section 502(b)(7) cap to that underlying claim.25
    Reasonable arguments may be made against extending the
    Third Circuit’s position to the section 502(b)(4)
    reasonableness cap at issue in our case. The section
    502(b)(7) cap is specific and calculable. The section
    502(b)(4) cap, which limits attorneys’ fees to a “reasonable”
    amount, is indefinite in application. The section 502(b)(7)
    cap applies only to a future expectancy and only where the
    bankrupt has before filing paid the employee for services
    rendered. The section 502(b)(4) cap limits fees for services
    already performed.
    Perhaps most strikingly, our sister circuit’s approach is
    inconsistent with the common law doctrine of merger. In
    California (as in most, if not all, common law jurisdictions),
    a claim that has been reduced to a judgment merges into the
    judgment. That is to say, an employee who was terminated
    before his employment contract ran out, having filed suit and
    obtained a judgment on that contract, no longer has a claim
    for unpaid wages. He now has a claim for what used to be
    called “debt on a judgment.” The employee can no longer
    sue for breach of contract, as he otherwise might prefer to do
    if that theory entitled him to more, because he no longer has
    a claim for breach of contract. All that remains is his
    24
    Anthony, 
    96 F.3d at 697
    .
    25
    See 
    id.
     at 695–97. Anthony cited with approval our circuit’s
    Bankruptcy Appellate Panel decision in Networks Elec. Corp., 
    195 B.R. at 92
    .
    IN RE CWS ENTERPRISES                  23
    entitlement to the debt owed him on the earlier judgment.
    The Anthony approach, which looks through the judgment to
    the underlying claim and then caps the amount of the
    judgment according to statutory criteria, is contrary to this
    common law doctrine.
    On the other hand, merger is a common law principle, not
    a constitutional one. Subject to the Full Faith and Credit
    Act,26 discussed below, Congress has the power to
    promulgate bankruptcy law that supersedes what would
    otherwise be binding state law. The bankruptcy code’s one-
    year cap on claims for post-breach wage and salary, for
    example, balances the employee’s interest in recovering his
    damages against other creditors’ interests in their claims.27
    There is also much to be said for aligning Ninth Circuit law
    with our sister circuits, removing the reward from forum
    shopping and providing law that is useful and predictably
    applied nationwide.
    The distinction between the clear, mathematically
    calculable cap under section 502(b)(7), and the indefinite
    “reasonableness” cap under section 502(b)(4), might support
    distinguishing them, so that looking through a state court
    judgment might be appropriate under section 502(b)(7) but
    not under section 502(b)(4). We conclude, though, that this
    distinction should not make a difference. Reading section
    502(b)(4) in its entirety, rather than limiting our analysis to
    the attorneys’ fees phrase, shows why.
    26
    
    28 U.S.C. § 1738
    .
    27
    See Networks Elec. Corp., 
    195 B.R. at 100
    .
    24                      IN RE CWS ENTERPRISES
    The text of section 502(b)(4) limits to a “reasonable
    value” not only the services of attorneys but also the “services
    of an insider.” It imposes this limitation “if such claim is for
    services of an insider or attorney of the debtor.”28 Among
    others,29 “insiders” include family members, partners, and
    28
    
    11 U.S.C. § 502
    (b)(4).
    29
    Defined at 
    11 U.S.C. § 101
    (31), the term “insider” includes–
    (A) if the debtor is an individual–
    (i) relative of the debtor or of a general partner of
    the debtor;
    (ii) partnership in which the debtor is a general
    partner;
    (iii) general partner of the debtor; or
    (iv) corporation of which the debtor is a director,
    officer, or person in control;
    (B) if the debtor is a corporation–
    (i) director of the debtor;
    (ii) officer of the debtor;
    (iii) person in control of the debtor;
    (iv) partnership in which the debtor is a general
    partner;
    (v) general partner of the debtor; or
    (vi) relative of a general partner, director, officer,
    or person in control of the debtor;
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    corporations the debtor controls. Collier suggests that
    Congress sought to protect creditors from “over-
    generosity,”30 an obvious hazard when the debtor is taking
    money from creditors to pay his own family members,
    partners, or corporation. And that concern arises even if the
    claim has been reduced to judgment, since the judgment
    might be a consent judgment or otherwise collusive. Such
    “over-generosity,” that is, intentionally paying more than a
    service is reasonably worth due to the close relationship
    between the debtor and creditor, may be likely with a relative,
    but it is not likely with the debtor’s attorney.
    (C) if the debtor is a partnership–
    (i) general partner in the debtor;
    (ii) relative of a general partner in, general partner
    of, or person in control of the debtor;
    (iii) partnership in which the debtor is a general
    partner;
    (iv) general partner of the debtor; or
    (v) person in control of the debtor;
    (D) if the debtor is a municipality, elected official of the
    debtor or relative of an elected official of the debtor;
    (E) affiliate, or insider of an affiliate as if such affiliate
    were the debtor; and
    (F) managing agent of the debtor.
    30
    4 COLLIER ON BANKRUPTCY ¶ 502.03[5][c] (Alan N. Resnick &
    Henry J. Sommer eds., 16th ed. 2012).
    26                     IN RE CWS ENTERPRISES
    But, not least because they are in the same subsection, the
    reasonableness cap for payment of services to insiders should
    not be distinguished from the reasonableness cap for payment
    of services to attorneys. There are other contexts where
    courts decide the reasonableness of attorneys’ fees due to, for
    example, the lack of an adversarial relationship or the risk of
    collusion, and such concerns may apply to an attorneys’ fee
    even if that fee has been reduced to a judgment. Among
    these contexts are cases where attorneys’ fees are shifted
    from the client to the losing party, as in English rule awards31
    and class action settlements. We therefore adopt the Third
    and Tenth Circuit’s approaches to attorneys’ fees under
    section 502(b)(4). The bankruptcy code’s reasonableness cap
    limits a pre-petition obligation for a debtor’s attorneys’ fees,
    even if such fees were allowable under state law, and even if
    such fees had been reduced to a state court judgment.
    Finally, we must consider how the state court judgment in
    this case may have had preclusive impact on the
    “reasonableness” analysis under section 502(b)(4). The Full
    Faith and Credit Act applies in bankruptcy courts.32 The
    bankruptcy court in this case was thus required to give full
    faith and credit to the California Superior Court’s judgment
    31
    See, e.g., 
    42 U.S.C. § 1988
    (b) (permitting the award of fees to the
    prevailing party under the English rule in many actions brought under
    federal law); Alaska R. Civ. P. 82 (requiring generally that the losing party
    pay the prevailing party’s fees); 
    Ariz. Rev. Stat. § 12-341.01
     (permitting
    the award of fees to the prevailing party under the English rule in contract
    cases); APL Co. Pte. v. UK Aerosols Ltd., 
    582 F.3d 947
    , 957 (9th Cir.
    2009) (applying the law of Singapore and noting that it follows the
    English rule for attorneys’ fees).
    32
    
    28 U.S.C. § 1738
    ; In re Nourbakhsh, 
    67 F.3d 798
    , 800 (9th Cir.
    1995).
    IN RE CWS ENTERPRISES                              27
    entitling Spiller to his fees to the same extent that California
    res judicata law would give that judgment preclusive effect.33
    The relevant question is not whether the California judgment
    for the amount of Spiller’s fees establishes that Siller was
    contractually obligated to pay him (it does), but whether
    Siller was precluded from arguing in the bankruptcy court
    that the amount of the California judgment exceeded the
    “reasonable value” of Spiller’s services. In other words, the
    question is not whether a state court judgment always has
    preclusive effect on the “reasonableness” analysis under
    section 502(b)(4) (we have already explained why it does
    not), the question is whether the state court judgment had
    preclusive effect on the reasonableness analysis in the
    particular circumstances of this case.
    Issue preclusion, under California law,34 requires that
    (1) “the issue sought to be precluded from relitigation must
    be identical to that decided in a former proceeding,” (2) the
    “issue must have been actually litigated in the former
    proceeding,” (3) the issue “must have been necessarily
    decided in the former proceeding,” (4) “the decision in the
    former proceeding must be final and on the merits,” and
    (5) “the party against whom preclusion is sought must be the
    same as, or in privity with, the party to the former
    33
    Nourbakhsh, 
    67 F.3d at 800
    .
    34
    In the past, California courts have referred to issue preclusion using
    the older terms “collateral estoppel” or “estoppel by judgment” or the
    broader term “res judicata.” They now use the modern term “issue
    preclusion.” For an explanation of the use of these terms in California
    courts, see Lucido v. Superior Court, 
    795 P.2d 1223
    , 1225 n.3 (Cal. 1990)
    and Olson v. Cory, 
    134 Cal. App. 3d 85
    , 103 n.9 (1982).
    28                     IN RE CWS ENTERPRISES
    proceeding.”35 The party asserting preclusion bears the
    burden of establishing these elements.36 California courts
    have recognized exceptions to California’s preclusion law,
    but none applies here.37
    Using those standards, the district judge concluded that
    issue preclusion applied here, and so do we. The arbitration
    proceeding establishing the reasonableness of Spiller’s fee
    was fully contested and later confirmed by the judgment of a
    California court.
    Siller argues that the arbitrator could not have decided
    section 502(b)(4) reasonableness because that is a bankruptcy
    standard and he had not yet filed for bankruptcy. We reject
    the notion that the word “reasonable” in section 502(b)(4) is
    a bankruptcy term of art with a meaning different from its
    ordinary usage. There is no special definition of “reasonable”
    in the bankruptcy code. “Reasonable” under section
    502(b)(4) means what it means in ordinary English.
    Determining a “reasonable” contingent fee cannot be reduced
    to a mechanical formulation. It calls upon the judgment of
    the tribunal in the particular circumstances of the matter
    before it. Some (but not all) of the factors bearing on
    reasonableness of a fee are whether the client had a fair
    opportunity to understand what he was agreeing to, the time
    the lawyer spent, the risk of not collecting, the need to
    35
    Lucido, 
    795 P.2d at 1225
    ; see also In re Harmon, 
    250 F.3d 1240
    ,
    1245 (9th Cir. 2001).
    36
    Lucido, 
    795 P.2d at 1225
    ; Harmon, 
    250 F.3d at 1245
    .
    37
    Such preclusion exceptions include public policy, unforeseeability,
    and the inability or lack of incentive to litigate the prior adjudication. See
    Olson, 134 Cal. App. 3d at 103 n.9.
    IN RE CWS ENTERPRISES                     29
    advance time or expenses, the effect of representation on the
    lawyer’s ability to take on other cases, the ease or difficulty
    of working with a particular client, the legal market in the
    locality regarding hourly rates and contingent fee
    percentages, and — especially important here — whether the
    fee is contingent upon success.
    Reasonableness, so understood, can be (and quite often is)
    decided in an arbitration proceeding like the one conducted
    here. Arbitration is a common method of resolving fee
    disputes under the bar rules of many states. Overall
    reasonableness is the usual criterion. And in the typical fee
    arbitration, the ex ante agreement between the lawyer and
    client is strong evidence of reasonableness, particularly where
    the fee was a contingent one.
    Siller argues that even if reasonableness could have been
    determined in an arbitration proceeding, it was not
    determined in this one. The arbitrator decided that the
    parties’ fee agreement, not quantum meruit, established the
    amount. But the arbitration consisted in large part of Siller
    presenting not just his arguments that the contract was
    unconscionable and Spiller failed to perform, but also his
    arguments and evidence to show that the Cotchett and Spiller
    firms’ fees were unreasonable.            Siller devoted his
    presentation almost entirely to making this point. He cross-
    examined extensively and put on his own evidence, including
    an expert witness, to prove that the fees were so unreasonable
    as to be unconscionable, and to establish a lower number for
    a quantum meruit award if the arbitrator accepted his
    challenge to the fee agreements.
    After hearing all of Siller’s arguments and evidence, the
    arbitrator concluded that Siller’s positions were wrong and
    30                      IN RE CWS ENTERPRISES
    the Cotchett and Spiller firms’ right. The quantum meruit
    analysis was irrelevant and Spiller’s fee was not
    unconscionable (a standard different from unreasonable). But
    that was not all the arbitrator concluded. He also concluded
    that Siller’s contract with the Spiller firm for an 8%
    contingent fee was “reasonable.” And he based his
    reasonableness determination on the work the parties
    anticipated, the work Spiller actually put into the case, the
    risks assumed by the parties, and Siller’s need for Spiller to
    finance his litigation.
    Siller urges us to accept the bankruptcy court’s use of the
    lodestar method to determine the reasonableness of Spiller’s
    fee. But we explained in Venegas v. Skaggs that a continent
    fee may be reasonable where “it reflect[s] the risk of
    nonrecovery . . . assumed in accepting [a] case.”38 In this
    case, a lodestar fee would be unreasonable and could not, for
    that reason, serve as a cap under section 502(b)(4). No
    sensible attorney would undertake to represent a client at his
    usual hourly rate in these circumstances — where the client
    had been litigating for decades, had no money to pay, and had
    a history of declining to pay his lawyers and suing them for
    malpractice, the case was likely to take all or most of the
    lawyer’s time for the next several years, and the lawyer could
    get paid — if at all — only if he won. A “reasonable” fee
    must be reasonable for the lawyer as well as the client.
    Had the arbitrator concluded that the amount of Spiller’s
    fee was unreasonable, but not so unreasonable as to make the
    contract’s formation or enforcement unconscionable, then the
    section 502(b)(4) reasonableness cap might have room to
    operate, because in that case the issue of 502(b)(4)
    38
    
    867 F.2d at 534
    .
    IN RE CWS ENTERPRISES                           31
    reasonableness would not be identical to any of the issues
    arbitrated. But that is not how this case was arbitrated and
    decided.       Under California law, one element of
    unconscionability is reasonableness,39 and a contingent fee
    contract can be rejected as unconscionable if it is sufficiently
    unreasonable in the circumstances.40 The arbitrator rejected
    that conclusion in this case. After hearing Siller’s arguments
    and extensive evidence to show unreasonableness, the
    arbitrator not only concluded that Spiller’s 8% contingent fee
    ought to be enforced, he specifically decided that it was
    “reasonable.”
    So, although there might in some cases be room for a
    reduction, under section 502(b)(4)’s reasonableness cap, of a
    state court judgment confirming an arbitration award for a
    contingent fee, there is no room here. The performance in
    this case was difficult and demanding. And the relationship
    between the contracted-for amount and the service Spiller
    provided was not such as to make enforcement of the contract
    or payment of the fee unreasonable. The Full Faith and
    Credit Act requires, in the circumstances of this case, that the
    judgment of the state court confirming Spiller’s arbitration
    award for his fee be given full faith and credit in Siller’s
    bankruptcy proceeding.
    The judgment of the district court is AFFIRMED.
    39
    See Ketchum v. Moses, 
    17 P.3d 735
    , 742 (Cal. 2001).
    40
    See Carlson v. Home Team Pest Def., Inc., 
    191 Cal. Rptr. 3d 29
    , 40
    (Cal. Ct. App. 2015).