United States v. Brian Carr ( 2020 )


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  •  United States Court of Appeals
    FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT
    Argued October 17, 2019               Decided January 7, 2020
    No. 18-3053
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
    APPELLEE
    v.
    BRIAN ERIC CARR,
    APPELLANT
    Appeal from the United States District Court
    for the District of Columbia
    (No. 1:02-cr-00106-1)
    A.J. Kramer, Federal Public Defender, argued the cause
    and filed the briefs for appellant.
    Elizabeth Gabriel, Assistant U.S. Attorney, argued the
    cause for appellee. With her on the brief were Jessie K. Liu,
    U.S. Attorney, and Elizabeth Trosman and Suzanne Grealy
    Curt, Assistant U.S. Attorneys.
    Before: HENDERSON and RAO, Circuit Judges, and
    WILLIAMS, Senior Circuit Judge.
    Opinion for the Court filed by Circuit Judge RAO.
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    RAO, Circuit Judge: After Brian Carr was convicted under
    the federal bank robbery statute, see 
    18 U.S.C. § 2113
    (a), the
    district court elevated his sentencing range on the grounds that
    he was a “career offender.” See U.S. Sentencing Guidelines
    Manual § 4B1.1 (2002). To reach that conclusion, the judge
    found that two prior convictions under the same bank robbery
    statute were “crime[s] of violence” under the Guidelines. See
    id. § 4B1.2(a). At the time, the Guidelines’ definition of a
    crime of violence was nearly identical to the definition of
    “violent felony” under the Armed Career Criminal Act
    (ACCA). See 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (e)(2)(B). While Carr was
    serving his sentence, the Supreme Court struck down one part
    of ACCA’s definition of a violent felony—a provision
    commonly known as the residual clause. See Johnson v. United
    States, 
    135 S. Ct. 2551
     (2015). Carr filed a motion under 
    28 U.S.C. § 2255
     to vacate or correct his sentence, arguing that the
    Guidelines’ identical residual clause is also unconstitutional.
    We need not reach Carr’s constitutional objection, because
    in 2003, when Carr was sentenced, a prior conviction could be
    a crime of violence under either the residual clause or the
    Guidelines’ independent elements clause, which defines a
    crime of violence as one that “has as an element the use,
    attempted use, or threatened use of physical force.” See
    U.S.S.G. § 4B1.2(a)(1). The federal bank robbery statute
    requires proof that a defendant took property “by force and
    violence, or by intimidation.” See 
    18 U.S.C. § 2113
    (a). To
    satisfy this requirement, the defendant must have at least
    knowingly threatened someone with physical force (or have
    attempted to do so), which squarely places the offense within
    the Guidelines’ elements clause. We therefore affirm the
    district court’s holding that Carr’s prior bank robbery
    convictions were crimes of violence and affirm the denial of
    Carr’s motion for post-conviction relief.
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    I.
    In 2002, Carr walked into a bank in downtown
    Washington, D.C., and gave the teller a note demanding
    money. United States v. Carr, 
    373 F.3d 1350
    , 1352 (D.C. Cir.
    2004). The police arrested him at the scene of the crime and
    later linked him to four other robberies. 
    Id.
     Carr was then
    indicted and convicted of five counts of bank robbery under
    Section 2113(a). During sentencing, the judge found that two
    prior convictions under the same statute each counted as a
    crime of violence. Those two prior convictions for crimes of
    violence made Carr a career offender, U.S.S.G. § 4B1.1, which
    significantly elevated his sentencing range. At the time of
    Carr’s sentencing, the Guidelines defined a crime of violence
    in part as:
    [A]ny offense under federal or state law,
    punishable by imprisonment for a term
    exceeding one year, that—
    (1) has as an element the use, attempted
    use, or threatened use of physical force
    against the person of another, or
    (2) is burglary of a dwelling, arson, or
    extortion, involves use of explosives, or
    otherwise involves conduct that presents a
    serious potential risk of physical injury to
    another.
    U.S.S.G. § 4B1.2(a). This provision includes two distinct
    definitions that are relevant here. Subsection (1) of this
    definition is the elements clause. The second half of Subsection
    (2)—“or otherwise involves conduct that presents a serious
    potential risk of physical injury to another”—was the residual
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    clause.1 When Carr was sentenced, however, the judge did not
    specify whether he relied on the Guidelines’ residual clause or
    the elements clause in finding that the prior bank robbery
    convictions were crimes of violence.2
    Without the career offender enhancement, Carr would
    have had a Guidelines range of 140 to 175 months. After the
    enhancement, Carr’s Guidelines range was 210 to 262 months.
    Carr appealed, and this court affirmed. See Carr, 
    373 F.3d 1350
    . In 2005, Carr brought his first motion to vacate his
    sentence under Section 2255. See Memorandum, United States
    v. Carr (D.D.C. Feb. 21, 2006) (No. 02-106). He raised several
    ineffective assistance of counsel claims, none of which were
    successful. 
    Id.
    While Carr was serving his sentence, the Supreme Court
    decided Johnson, which held the residual clause of ACCA’s
    definition of a violent felony was void for vagueness in
    violation of the Due Process Clause. 
    135 S. Ct. 2551
    . The
    residual clause held unconstitutional in Johnson exactly
    mirrors the residual clause defining a crime of violence in the
    Sentencing Guidelines. See In re Sealed Case, 
    548 F.3d 1085
    ,
    1
    The Sentencing Commission removed the residual clause’s
    definition of a crime of violence after Johnson held that ACCA’s
    identical residual clause was unconstitutional. See U.S. Sentencing
    Commission: Supplement to the 2015 Guidelines Manual at 7, 10
    (Aug. 1, 2016).
    2
    This was a common practice before the Supreme Court’s ruling in
    Johnson. See United States v. Booker, 
    240 F. Supp. 3d 164
    , 168
    (D.D.C. 2017) (“[T]here was no practical reason for judges to make
    this distinction at sentencing prior to June 26, 2015, when the
    Supreme Court decided that the residual clause was void for
    vagueness.”).
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    1089 (D.C. Cir. 2008) (explaining that “we apply the ACCA
    standard to determine whether an offense qualifies as a crime
    of violence under section 4B1.2”).
    Carr sought leave to file a second Section 2255 motion,
    arguing that the residual clause that was once part of the
    Guidelines’ definition of a crime of violence was
    unconstitutionally vague under the reasoning of Johnson. This
    court gave Carr permission to file the second motion because
    he had “made a prima facie showing that his claim relies on a
    new, previously unavailable rule of constitutional law, made
    retroactive to cases on collateral review by the Supreme
    Court.” The district court below denied Carr’s second
    Section 2255 motion because, regardless of whether the
    residual clause was unconstitutional, his prior convictions for
    bank robbery were crimes of violence under the elements
    clause of the Sentencing Guidelines. United States v. Carr, 
    314 F. Supp. 3d 272
    , 283 (D.D.C. 2018).3
    3
    Because we hold that Carr’s convictions were crimes of violence
    under the Guidelines’ elements clause, we do not address whether
    the Guidelines’ residual clause was unconstitutional under Johnson
    or whether defendants can bring such a challenge under Section
    2255. We note the Supreme Court has left open the question of
    whether a defendant who was sentenced under the Guidelines’
    residual clause when it was mandatory can now bring a successful
    motion under Section 2255. See Beckles v. United States, 
    137 S. Ct. 886
    , 896 (2017) (“We hold only that the advisory Sentencing
    Guidelines … are not subject to a challenge under the void-for-
    vagueness doctrine.”). The circuits have split over this same
    question. Compare Cross v. United States, 
    892 F.3d 288
    , 307 (7th
    Cir. 2018) (granting a Section 2255 motion in light of Johnson), with
    United States v. London, 
    937 F.3d 502
    , 509 (5th Cir. 2019) (holding
    that such motions are untimely); Russo v. United States, 
    902 F.3d 880
    , 882–84 (8th Cir. 2018) (same); United States v. Green, 
    898 F.3d 315
    , 317–23 (3d Cir. 2018) (same); United States v. Brown, 
    868 F.3d 6
    II.
    We review the denial of a Section 2255 motion to vacate a
    sentence de novo. United States v. Palmer, 
    296 F.3d 1135
    ,
    1141 (D.C. Cir. 2002). Carr’s motion challenges his sentence
    on the grounds that the residual clause’s definition of a crime
    of violence was unconstitutional. On appeal, Carr focuses
    almost exclusively on disputing the district court’s conclusion
    that bank robbery constitutes a crime of violence under the
    elements clause, whether or not the residual clause was
    unconstitutional. Because the sentencing court did not specify
    whether Carr’s convictions were crimes of violence under the
    residual clause or the elements clause, we may uphold his
    designation as a career offender if his prior bank robbery
    convictions meet either definition. Therefore, we need not
    reach Carr’s constitutional objection to the residual clause if
    bank robbery under Section 2113(a) fits within the elements
    clause’s definition of a crime of violence.
    Thus, we start with the question of whether bank robbery
    “has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of
    physical force.” U.S.S.G. § 4B1.2(a)(1). To answer that
    question we apply the “categorical approach,” United States v.
    Brown, 
    892 F.3d 385
    , 402 (D.C. Cir. 2018), which means that
    we view the crime “in terms of how the law defines the offense
    and not in terms of how an individual offender might have
    committed it on a particular occasion.” Begay v. United States,
    
    553 U.S. 137
    , 141 (2008). More specifically, we must ask
    whether “the least of th[e] acts criminalized … are
    297, 301 (4th Cir. 2017) (same); Raybon v. United States, 
    867 F.3d 625
    , 630 (6th Cir. 2017) (same); United States v. Pullen, 
    913 F.3d 1270
    , 1280–85 (10th Cir. 2019) (holding that a similar request
    constituted an impermissible second Section 2255 motion); In re
    Griffin, 
    823 F.3d 1350
    , 1354 (11th Cir. 2016) (same).
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    encompassed by the generic federal offense.” Moncrieffe v.
    Holder, 
    569 U.S. 184
    , 191 (2013) (quotation marks omitted).
    We look “only to the elements of the crime to determine
    whether, by its terms, commission of the crime inherently (i.e.,
    categorically) requires the kind of force” that is required under
    Section 4B1.2(a). Brown, 892 F.3d at 402. Every circuit to
    consider the question has held that bank robbery under
    Section 2113(a) meets the requirements for a crime of violence
    under the elements clause.4 We now join those circuits.
    The least culpable conduct covered by the statute—bank
    robbery “by intimidation”—categorically involves a threat of
    physical force. Moreover, while Carr is correct that crimes of
    negligence cannot count as crimes of violence under the
    elements clause, the federal bank robbery statute requires more
    than mere negligence. Section 2113(a) applies only if a
    defendant took or attempted to take property with knowledge
    that his conduct was objectively intimidating. Federal bank
    robbery thus squarely fits within the elements clause’s
    definition of a crime of violence.5
    4
    See United States v. McCranie, 
    889 F.3d 677
    , 678–81 (10th Cir.
    2018); United States v. Wilson, 
    880 F.3d 80
    , 84–85 (3d Cir. 2018);
    United States v. Harper, 
    869 F.3d 624
    , 627 (8th Cir. 2017); United
    States v. Ellison, 
    866 F.3d 32
    , 35 (1st Cir. 2017); United States v.
    Brewer, 
    848 F.3d 711
    , 716 (5th Cir. 2017); United States v. McBride,
    
    826 F.3d 293
    , 295–96 (6th Cir. 2016); United States v. Jones, 
    932 F.2d 624
    , 625 (7th Cir. 1991); United States v. Selfa, 
    918 F.2d 749
    ,
    751 (9th Cir. 1990); United States v. McNeal, 
    818 F.3d 141
    , 153, 157
    (4th Cir. 2016) (applying ACCA’s identical elements clause).
    5
    Because we hold that Carr’s prior convictions were crimes of
    violence under the elements clause of the Guidelines, we need not
    reach the government’s four procedural arguments presented in the
    alternative.
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    A.
    The federal bank robbery statute provides:
    Whoever, by force and violence, or by
    intimidation, takes, or attempts to take, from
    the person or presence of another, or obtains or
    attempts to obtain by extortion any property or
    money or any other thing of value belonging to,
    or in the care, custody, control, management, or
    possession of, any bank, credit union, or any
    savings and loan association … Shall be fined
    under this title or imprisoned not more than
    twenty years, or both.6
    
    18 U.S.C. § 2113
    (a). This statute requires that a person act with
    “force and violence” or “by intimidation.” Because
    intimidation is the least culpable conduct covered by the
    statute, we must ask whether robbery “by intimidation”
    necessarily involves a threat of physical force such that it
    counts as a crime of violence under the Guidelines’ elements
    clause. In the ACCA context, the Supreme Court has held that
    “force” means “violent force—that is, force capable of causing
    physical pain or injury to another person.” Johnson v. United
    States, 
    559 U.S. 133
    , 140 (2010) (emphasis omitted).
    We agree with our fellow circuits that Section 2113(a)
    requires a threat of physical force because it applies only to
    conduct “reasonably calculated to put another in fear, or
    conduct and words calculated to create the impression that any
    resistance or defiance by the individual would be met by
    force.” United States v. McCranie, 
    889 F.3d 677
    , 680 (10th Cir.
    6
    The same subsection includes a second paragraph making it a crime
    to enter a bank with the intent to commit a felony. See 
    18 U.S.C. § 2113
    (a). Only the first paragraph is at issue in this case.
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    2018) (quotation marks omitted); United States v. Jones, 
    932 F.2d 624
    , 625 (7th Cir. 1991) (“Intimidation means the threat
    of force.”).
    While the ordinary meaning of the word “intimidation” is
    arguably broad enough to encompass nonviolent threats, the
    history of common law robbery makes clear that the federal
    bank robbery statute uses the word to refer only to threats of
    violence. Traditionally, the sole difference between the
    common law crimes of robbery and larceny was that robbery
    had an additional element of physical force. See, e.g.,
    Stokeling, 139 S. Ct. at 550 (“At common law, an unlawful
    taking was merely larceny unless the crime involved
    ‘violence.’”); Pixley v. United States, 
    692 A.2d 438
    , 439 (D.C.
    1997) (one element of “robbery in the usual common law
    sense” is that the property be taken “using force or violence”);
    People v. Ryan, 
    88 N.E. 170
    , 171 (Ill. 1909) (“If a thing of
    value be feloniously taken from the person of another with such
    violence as to occasion a substantial corporal injury, or if it be
    obtained by a violent struggle with the possessor, it is
    ‘robbery’; but if the article is taken without any sensible or
    material violence to the person and without any struggle for its
    possession it is merely ‘larceny from the person.’”).
    While physical force has always been the touchstone for
    robbery, it was sufficient at common law for the defendant to
    threaten physical force. Jurists usually used one of two terms
    to describe that threat: “putting in fear” or “intimidation.” See
    4 William Blackstone, Commentaries *243 (“[R]obbery … is
    the felonious and forcible taking, from the person of another,
    of goods or money to any value, by violence or putting in
    fear.”); Commw. v. Clifford, 
    62 Mass. 215
    , 216 (1851)
    (“Robbery, by the common law, is larceny from the person,
    accompanied by violence or by putting in fear.”); United States
    v. Durkee, 
    25 F. Cas. 941
    , 942 (C.C.N.D. Cal. 1856)
    10
    (“[R]obbery … is larceny accompanied by intimidation or
    force.”).
    In the Twentieth Century, many states codified the
    traditional common law elements of robbery, using the word
    “intimidation” to express the requirement of “putting in fear.”
    As one court explained, “Intimidation in the law of robbery
    means putting in fear[.] … The modern draftsmen have
    changed the words but not the meaning. They employ the
    single word ‘intimidation’, but the meaning is identical.”
    United States v. Baker, 
    129 F. Supp. 684
    , 685 (S.D. Cal. 1955);
    see also Johnson v. State, 
    57 S.E. 1056
    , 1056 (Ga. 1907)
    (“[O]ur Penal Code definition [and its use of ‘intimidation’] is
    merely declaratory of the common law.”). No matter which
    term is used, only a threat of physical force is sufficient to make
    out the elements of robbery. See LaFave, 3 SUBST. CRIM. L.
    § 20.3(d)(2) n. 72 (“[T]he threat must be of immediate use of
    physical force.”); Karl Oakes, 77 CORPUS JURIS SECUNDUM
    § 15 (2019) (explaining that intimidation “results when the
    words or conduct of the accused exercise such domination and
    control over the victim as to overcome the victim’s mind and
    overbear the victim’s will, placing the victim in fear of bodily
    harm” (emphasis added)); United States v. Harris, 
    844 F.3d 1260
    , 1266, 1270 (10th Cir. 2017) (“[C]ommon law robbery
    requires a taking ‘by violence or intimidation.’ … [W]hether
    by force, or by threats or intimidation, we conclude that
    robbery in Colorado has as an element the use or threatened use
    of physical force against another person.”); Royal v. State, 
    490 So. 2d 44
    , 46 (Fla. 1986) (noting that robbery requires only
    intimidation, but explaining that “[i]t is violence that makes
    robbery an offense of greater atrocity than larceny”); Fleming
    v. Commw., 
    196 S.E. 696
    , 697 (Va. 1938) (“The … fear must
    be of a physical nature.”).
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    In 1934, Congress enacted the first federal bank robbery
    statute, which reflected state common law and criminalized
    theft “by force and violence, or by putting in fear.” See ch. 304,
    
    48 Stat. 783
     (1934) (formerly codified at 12 U.S.C. § 588b(a)
    (1946)). In 1948, as part of a recodification, Congress relocated
    criminal statutes from various titles of the United States Code
    into Title 18. See An Act to Revise, Codify, and Enact into
    Positive Law, Title 18 of the United States Code, Pub. L. 80-
    772, 
    62 Stat. 683
     (1948). Congress also made changes aimed
    at “[a] clear and uniform style.” H.R. Rep. No. 80-304, at 8
    (1947). The new code included the present day
    Section 2113(a), which criminalizes theft from a bank “by
    intimidation.” Courts have consistently read Section 2113(a)’s
    use of “intimidation” to mean the same thing as “putting in
    fear” in the 1934 statute. See United States v. Higdon, 
    832 F.2d 312
    , 315 (5th Cir. 1987); United States v. Robinson, 
    527 F.2d 1170
    , 1172 n.2 (6th Cir. 1975). Section 2113(a) plainly uses
    language drawn from the classic definition of common law
    robbery, which requires the use or threatened use of force.
    The Guidelines’ elements clause likewise encompasses
    the violence element of common law robbery by requiring “the
    use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force.”
    U.S.S.G. § 4B1.2(a)(1). The Supreme Court explained that
    ACCA’s identical elements clause was designed to mirror the
    definition of common law robbery. See Stokeling, 139 S. Ct. at
    550–52 (interpreting 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (e)(2)(B)(i)). The Court
    emphasized that “[i]f a word is obviously transplanted from
    another legal source, whether the common law or other
    legislation, it brings the old soil with it.” 
    Id. at 551
     (quoting
    Hall v. Hall, 
    138 S. Ct. 1118
    , 1128 (2018)). In other words,
    ACCA’s elements clause carries the same force requirement as
    the common law definition. 
    Id.
     Both Section 2113(a) and the
    Guidelines’ definition of a crime of violence call for the
    amount of force required under the common law definition of
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    robbery. “There is no space between” the two provisions.
    Jones, 
    932 F.2d at 625
     (quotation marks omitted). Thus, bank
    robbery readily fits within the Guidelines’ definition of a crime
    of violence in the elements clause.
    Despite the established and longstanding meaning of
    intimidation, Carr has argued that the federal bank robbery
    statute applies to two classes of cases that do not involve the
    requisite amount of force for a crime of violence under the
    Guidelines. First, he emphasizes on appeal that
    Section 2113(a) applies even if the defendant does not make
    his threats explicit. For instance, a thief might hand a teller a
    note that says, “Give me the money,” without mentioning what
    happens if the teller does not. But if Section 2113(a) applies in
    that case, it is only because a reasonable teller could infer that
    the note conveys an implicit threat of violence. See United
    States v. Wilson, 
    880 F.3d 80
    , 85 (3d Cir. 2018) (requiring
    conduct such that a teller “reasonably could infer a threat of
    bodily harm”); United States v. Harper, 
    869 F.3d 624
    , 626 (8th
    Cir. 2017) (“[B]ank robbery by intimidation requires proof that
    the victim reasonably could infer a threat of bodily harm.”
    (quotation marks omitted)). Whether implicit or explicit,
    Section 2113(a) always requires a threat of physical force.
    Second, Carr emphasized below that a defendant can be
    convicted under Section 2113(a) without threatening physical
    contact. According to Carr, a thief who threatens to poison a
    teller could arguably be convicted under the bank robbery
    statute, but that thief would not have committed a crime of
    violence under the Guidelines because there was no threat of
    physical contact. Yet in an analogous context the Supreme
    Court has rejected the notion that the force requirement is
    satisfied only by physical contact. United States v. Castleman,
    
    572 U.S. 157
     (2014). Relying on ACCA precedent, Castleman
    interpreted the term “physical force” in a similar elements
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    clause to encompass crimes that can be committed without
    physical contact—for instance, crimes committed with the use
    of poison. 
    Id. at 170
    . The Court explained that if poison causes
    bodily injury, then the defendant has necessarily used force
    because “[i]t is impossible to cause bodily injury without
    applying force in the common-law sense.” 
    Id.
     Similarly here, a
    thief who threatened to poison a teller could be convicted under
    Section 2113(a) and that conviction would count as a crime of
    violence because the bodily injury caused by the poison would
    necessarily involve the use of force within the common law
    meaning incorporated by the Guidelines.
    We therefore hold that the least culpable conduct covered
    by the statute—bank robbery “by intimidation”—categorically
    involves a threat of physical force as required by the elements
    clause’s definition of a crime of violence.
    B.
    Next, we address whether federal bank robbery has a
    sufficient mens rea requirement to count as a crime of violence
    under the Sentencing Guidelines. The parties do not dispute
    that a crime of violence under the Guidelines requires more
    than negligence and that a mental state of recklessness or more
    would be sufficient under existing circuit precedent. See United
    States v. Haight, 
    892 F.3d 1271
    , 1281 (D.C. Cir. 2018)
    (holding in the ACCA context “that the use of violent force
    includes the reckless use of such force”); see also Carr Br. at 8,
    12; United States Br. at 28–33.
    The government here maintains that the statute requires at
    least recklessness because it requires proof that the defendant
    knew he was intimidating someone. See United States v.
    Bailey, 
    444 U.S. 394
    , 404 (1980) (explaining that under
    modern mens rea categorizations, “[t]he different levels in this
    hierarchy are commonly identified, in descending order of
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    culpability, as purpose, knowledge, recklessness, and
    negligence”). According to Carr, however, the statute simply
    requires that the government prove negligence—in other
    words, the government must prove the defendant should have
    known there was a substantial risk his conduct was
    intimidating. See ALI, Model Penal Code § 2.02(2)(d) (“A
    person acts negligently with respect to a material element of an
    offense when he should be aware of a substantial and
    unjustifiable risk that the material element exists or will result
    from his conduct.”).
    To evaluate the mens rea requirement in the bank robbery
    statute, we start with Carter v. United States, in which the
    Supreme Court held that Section 2113(a) has a “general intent”
    requirement. 
    530 U.S. 255
    , 268 (2000). After first observing
    that Section 2113(a) lacks any explicit mens rea element, the
    Court explained that there is a general “presumption in favor of
    scienter.” 
    Id.
     That presumption applies, however, only to the
    extent a mens rea requirement “is necessary to separate
    wrongful conduct from ‘otherwise innocent conduct.’” 
    Id. at 269
     (quoting United States v. X-Citement Video, Inc., 
    513 U.S. 64
    , 72 (1994)). The Court reasoned that it is inherently wrong
    to take property by force, regardless of whether one intends to
    steal. 
    Id.
     at 268–70. The Court therefore drew the line at
    general intent, which it defined as “knowledge with respect to
    the actus reus of the crime (here, the taking of property of
    another by force and violence or intimidation).” Id. at 268.
    Someone who forcefully takes money while sleepwalking does
    not act with general intent because he has no knowledge of
    what he is doing. Id. at 269. On the other hand, the statute does
    not require specific intent to steal and therefore would apply to
    a person who knowingly takes money by force, even if he
    thinks the money is his. Id. at 269–70. He may not have
    intended to steal, but he still had knowledge of the actus reus.
    Id.
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    Carter requires that under Section 2113(a) the government
    must prove the defendant knew his conduct was intimidating,
    a standard requiring more than mere negligence. The Court
    stated that a person must know he is “taking [the] property of
    another by … intimidation.” Id. at 268. Moreover, the
    underlying goal of implicit mens rea requirements is to separate
    wrongful from innocent conduct. Id. at 268–70. As the Court
    explained, a person who forcefully takes property acts
    wrongfully even if it is not his intent to steal. Id. The same
    cannot be said of a person who uses no force and has no
    knowledge that his conduct is threatening. That person engages
    only “in innocent, if aberrant, activity,” id. at 257, and we
    should be “reluctant to infer that a negligence standard was
    intended in criminal statutes.” Elonis v. United States, 
    135 S. Ct. 2001
    , 2011 (2015). Our reading of the federal bank robbery
    statute, requiring the defendant to know his actions were
    objectively intimidating, accords with every court to have
    reached this issue.7
    7
    See United States v. Hendricks, 
    921 F.3d 320
    , 329 (2d Cir. 2019)
    (“A defendant acts ‘by intimidation’ when he knowingly engages in
    conduct from which an ordinary person in the teller’s position
    reasonably could infer a threat of bodily harm.” (quotation marks
    omitted)); United States v. Garcia-Ortiz, 
    904 F.3d 102
    , 108 (1st Cir.
    2018) (requiring “knowledge on the part of the defendant that his
    actions were objectively intimidating”); United States v. Deiter, 
    890 F.3d 1203
    , 1213 (10th Cir. 2018) (agreeing with other circuits “that
    to be convicted of bank robbery by intimidation, the defendant must
    have at least known his actions were objectively intimidating”);
    United States v. Watson, 
    881 F.3d 782
    , 785 (9th Cir. 2018) (“[A]
    defendant may not be convicted if he only negligently intimidated
    the victim. The offense must at least involve the knowing use of
    intimidation.” (citation omitted)); Wilson, 880 F.3d at 87 (agreeing
    with other circuits who “have rejected the argument that § 2113(a)
    criminalizes negligent or reckless behavior. They have harmonized
    Carter with the ‘reasonable teller’ standard inherent in § 2113(a)’s
    16
    In response, Carr notes that two circuits have held a
    defendant does not need to intend to intimidate. See United
    States v. Kelley, 
    412 F.3d 1240
    , 1244 (11th Cir. 2005)
    (“Whether a particular act constitutes intimidation is viewed
    objectively, and a defendant can be convicted under section
    2113(a) even if he did not intend for an act to be intimidating.”
    (citation omitted)); United States v. Woodrup, 
    86 F.3d 359
    , 364
    (4th Cir. 1996) (“[T]he intimidation element of § 2113(a) is
    satisfied … whether or not the defendant actually intended the
    intimidation.”). These cases, however, are consistent with the
    framework we have identified. As Carter made clear, Section
    2113(a) does not require specific intent, so it does not matter
    whether the defendant intended to intimidate. See Carter, 
    530 U.S. at 270
    . Yet the defendant must at least have knowledge
    that he is intimidating someone. The Fourth Circuit—one of
    the two circuits Carr is relying on—has made that point
    explicitly. See United States v. McNeal, 
    818 F.3d 141
    , 155–56
    (4th Cir. 2016) (“[T]o secure a conviction of bank robbery ‘by
    intimidation,’ the government must prove not only that the
    accused knowingly took property, but also that he knew that
    his actions were objectively intimidating.”).
    intimidation requirement by requiring the government to prove a
    defendant ‘knew that his actions were objectively intimidating.’”);
    United States v. McNeal, 
    818 F.3d 141
    , 155–56 (4th Cir. 2016)
    (“[T]o secure a conviction of bank robbery ‘by intimidation,’ the
    government must prove not only that the accused knowingly took
    property, but also that he knew that his actions were objectively
    intimidating.”); McBride, 826 F.3d at 296 (“The defendant must at
    least know that his actions would create the impression in an ordinary
    person that resistance would be met by force. A taking by
    intimidation under § 2113(a) therefore involves the threat to use
    physical force.”).
    17
    Finally, Carr focuses on the fact that every court has
    defined intimidation at least partly in objective terms of what a
    reasonable, ordinary person would find intimidating, which
    Carr argues is a textbook negligence rule. Yet that is only half
    the standard. While the actus reus is judged in objective terms
    (whether an ordinary person would find the conduct
    intimidating), the mens rea is defined in subjective terms
    (whether the defendant had knowledge that an ordinary person
    would view his conduct as intimidating). See, e.g., United
    States v. McBride, 
    826 F.3d 293
    , 296 (6th Cir. 2016) (“The
    defendant must at least know that his actions would create the
    impression in an ordinary person that resistance would be met
    by force.”). That the intimidation requirement has one
    objective component does not diminish its distinct subjective
    prong, which separates this offense from crimes of mere
    negligence.8
    Accordingly we hold that the federal bank robbery statute
    applies only if the defendant had knowledge that his conduct
    was intimidating, and the statute therefore satisfies the mens
    8
    Carr also argues that Section 2113(a)’s requirement is identical to
    the mens rea requirement proposed by the government in Elonis,
    which the Supreme Court described as “a negligence standard.” 135
    S. Ct. at 2011 (interpreting 
    18 U.S.C. § 875
    (c) (“Whoever transmits
    in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any
    threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of
    another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than
    five years, or both.”)). Yet Section 2113(a) requires more than what
    was at issue in that case, where the government’s proposed standard
    would have required knowledge of the contents of a threatening
    message, but would not have required knowledge that the contents
    were threatening. See 
    id.
     As we have discussed, the federal bank
    robbery statute requires that the defendant subjectively knew his
    actions were threatening.
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    rea requirement for a crime of violence under the Sentencing
    Guidelines.9
    ***
    Bank robbery under Section 2113(a) categorically
    involves the use or threatened use of force. It also requires that
    the defendant have knowledge that he is threatening someone.
    We therefore join nine of our fellow circuits in holding that
    bank robbery under Section 2113(a) is categorically a crime of
    violence under the elements clause of the Guidelines. That was
    true before Johnson, and it remains true today. The district
    court rightly dismissed Carr’s Section 2255 motion, so we
    affirm.
    9
    After we held oral argument in this case, the Supreme Court granted
    certiorari to decide whether recklessness alone is sufficient under
    ACCA’s identical elements clause. See Walker v. United States, No.
    19-373 (Nov. 15, 2019). Because we hold that the federal bank
    robbery statute requires knowledge, and therefore more than
    recklessness, the question presented in Walker does not implicate our
    holding. See Petition for Certiorari, Walker v. United States, No. 19-
    373 at I (Sep. 19, 2019) (presenting only the question of “[w]hether
    a criminal offense that can be committed with a mens rea of
    recklessness can qualify as a ‘violent felony’”); see also Walker v.
    United States, 
    931 F.3d 467
    , 468 (6th Cir. 2019) (Kethledge, J.,
    dissenting from the denial of rehearing en banc) (acknowledging that
    ACCA’s elements clause would be satisfied by higher requirements
    like “knowledge or intent”).