In re Milton ( 2022 )


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  •         IN THE SUPREME COURT OF
    CALIFORNIA
    In re WILLIAM MILTON
    on Habeas Corpus.
    S259954
    Second Appellate District, Division Seven
    B297354
    Los Angeles County Superior Court
    TA039953
    August 22, 2022
    Justice Jenkins authored the opinion of the Court, in which
    Chief Justice Cantil-Sakauye, Justices Corrigan, Kruger, and
    Guerrero concurred.
    Justice Liu filed a dissenting opinion, in which Justice Groban
    concurred.
    Justice Groban filed a dissenting opinion, in which Justice Liu
    concurred.
    In re MILTON
    S259954
    Opinion of the Court by Jenkins, J.
    In 1987, petitioner William Milton was convicted of two
    robberies in Illinois. In 1999, he was convicted of robbery in
    California, and the prosecution sought an enhanced sentence
    on the ground the two Illinois robbery convictions were
    “serious felony” convictions that were also “strikes” under the
    “Three Strikes” law (Pen. Code,1 §§ 667, subds. (b)–(j), 667.5,
    subd. (c), 1170.12, subd. (a)). Because an out-of-state robbery
    qualifies as a serious felony only if it “includes all of the
    elements of [a California robbery]” (§§ 667, subd. (d)(2); see
    1192.7, subd. (19)), which an Illinois robbery does not, the
    prosecution asserted the Illinois robberies were serious felonies
    under section 1192.7, subdivision (c)(8) and (23), which provide
    that any felony in which the defendant personally uses a
    firearm or a dangerous or deadly weapon is a serious felony.
    After reviewing the record from the Illinois robbery cases,
    including the charging document and sentencing hearing
    transcript, the trial court found petitioner used a firearm in
    committing both Illinois robberies and imposed a third strike
    sentence. The Court of Appeal affirmed the judgment, and we
    denied review.
    1
    All undesignated statutory references are to the Penal
    Code.
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    In 2017, petitioner filed a petition for writ of habeas
    corpus, seeking resentencing under People v. Gallardo (2017) 
    4 Cal.5th 120
    , 124–125 (Gallardo), where we held that a trial
    court violates a defendant’s Sixth Amendment right to a jury
    trial when it makes factual findings about the nature of a
    defendant’s prior conviction in imposing an enhanced sentence
    based on that prior conviction. The Court of Appeal denied the
    petition on the ground that Gallardo was not retroactive to
    petitioner’s judgment, which had been final since 2000. (People
    v. Milton (2019) 
    42 Cal.App.5th 977
    , 982, 987 (Milton).)
    The Courts of Appeal that have addressed the question of
    Gallardo’s retroactivity have reached conflicting results. We
    conclude the Gallardo rule does not apply retroactively to final
    judgments. Accordingly, we affirm the Court of Appeal’s denial
    of the petition for writ of habeas corpus.
    FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
    In 1987, an information was filed in Illinois charging
    petitioner with armed robbery (Ill. Rev. Stat., former ch. 38,
    § 18-2(a)) and simple robbery (Ill. Rev. Stat., ch. 38, former
    § 18-1). The information alleged petitioner committed armed
    robbery by taking money from the victim “while ar[med] with a
    dangerous weapon, a gun . . . by threatening the imminent use
    of force” and that he committed simple robbery by taking
    money from his victim “by threatening the imminent use of
    force.” Petitioner pleaded guilty to simple robbery, and an
    Illinois jury found him guilty of armed robbery.
    The Illinois court held a combined sentencing hearing for
    the two convictions. At the hearing, the Illinois prosecutor
    recounted the testimony of the armed robbery victim as
    follows: “Mr. Milton got out of the car, pointed a gun at [the
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    victim], and threatened him, forced him into the car where [the
    victim] was robbed of his goods.” The court stated, “[Y]ou used
    a gun. You stopped the victim. . . . You forced this individual
    into the automobile.” For the simple robbery, the prosecutor
    stated the victim was “accosted by” petitioner, who
    “approache[d] [the victim] with a weapon, threaten[ed] him,
    and . . . [the victim] lost his entire paycheck . . . to Mr. Milton.”
    The court added, “You stopped [the victim], and again at the
    point of a gun you took . . . cash from this individual.” The
    court stated that the “stipulated facts” for the simple robbery
    were “that the victim . . . left [the market] after cashing his
    check. He was stopped. Money was demanded from the victim
    by . . . Milton, who possessed a handgun. And [money] was
    taken from the victim . . . In addition . . . , [petitioner] made a
    statement to the Waukegan Police Department that he
    participated in and did take the money as is described in this
    stipulation.” Before pronouncing its sentence, the court stated,
    “In each of the two respective offenses you deliberately held a
    gun — a loaded gun — upon an individual. . . . I’m going to tell
    you that he who participates in an offense of violence against
    another with a gun is going to be punished.” (See People v.
    Milton (1989) 
    182 Ill.App.3d 1082
    , 1095 [
    538 N.E.2d 1227
    ,
    1236] [Illinois sentencing court imposed an aggravated
    sentence as to Milton’s armed robbery conviction based on
    several factors including gun use].)
    In 1998, shortly after he was released from prison in
    Illinois for the two Illinois robberies and other subsequent
    offenses, petitioner was charged with another robbery, this
    time in California, and a jury found him guilty of second degree
    robbery (§ 211). Petitioner waived his right to a jury trial as to
    the truth of his prior convictions. In a bifurcated proceeding,
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    he admitted he had two prior felony convictions from Illinois
    and that one of them was an armed robbery conviction that
    qualified as a strike. He argued his Illinois simple robbery
    conviction was not a strike.
    The California prosecutor acknowledged that robbery
    under Illinois law, unlike under California law, does not
    require the specific intent to permanently deprive the victim of
    the property. The prosecutor argued, however, that the trial
    court could rely on certified documents from Illinois in
    determining that petitioner used a firearm during both
    robberies and that the robberies were therefore serious felonies
    under section 1192.7, subdivision (c)(8) and (23), which provide
    that a felony in which the defendant personally uses a firearm
    or a dangerous or deadly weapon is a serious felony.
    Petitioner’s counsel argued the court was not authorized to
    look beyond the facts of the Illinois convictions in determining
    firearm use and that, in any event, “the stipulated facts” from
    “the transcript . . . of the plea” showed only that petitioner
    possessed a handgun, not that he used one, in committing the
    simple robbery. The court stated it saw “nothing wrong” with
    relying on the certified documents and found petitioner used a
    gun during both robberies and that both prior convictions were
    strikes. The court imposed a third strike sentence of 25 years
    to life, plus five years for the prior serious felony enhancement
    (§ 667, subd. (a)(1)).
    Petitioner appealed and contended, among other things,
    that his Illinois simple robbery conviction did not qualify as a
    strike. The Court of Appeal affirmed, concluding the trial
    court was “entitled to look at the entire record of conviction to
    determine the substance of the foreign convictions” and that
    “the abstract of the judgment, the stipulated facts of the
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    offense in question and the Illinois court’s sentencing
    comments,” which “were admissible as part of the ‘entire
    record’ of [the] conviction,” provided substantial evidence to
    support the trial court’s finding that petitioner “obtained the
    proceeds of both robberies by pointing and threatening the
    victims with a handgun.” Petitioner filed a petition for review,
    which we denied. He subsequently filed five petitions for writ
    of habeas corpus in this court, each of which we denied.
    In 2016, petitioner filed a sixth petition for writ of habeas
    corpus in our court, asserting the trial court erred in finding
    his Illinois simple and armed robberies were serious felonies
    for purposes of the Three Strikes law.2 We denied the petition
    “without prejudice to any relief to which petitioner might be
    entitled after this court decides [Gallardo],” which was then
    pending in our court. Following our decision in Gallardo,
    petitioner filed the instant petition, arguing his Illinois
    robberies were not serious felonies under Gallardo. We issued
    an order directing the Department of Corrections and
    Rehabilitation to show cause, returnable to the Court of
    Appeal, “why petitioner is not entitled to relief pursuant to
    [Gallardo] . . . and why Gallardo should not apply retroactively
    2
    As noted, petitioner previously admitted his Illinois
    armed robbery was a serious felony. He later changed his
    position to assert, as he does here, that both of his Illinois
    robberies were not serious felonies. Because we affirm the
    denial of petitioner’s instant writ petition on retroactivity
    grounds, we need not, and will not, address the Attorney
    General’s argument that, if Gallardo applies retroactively,
    petitioner’s prior admission regarding the Illinois armed
    robbery precludes him from asserting it is not a serious felony.
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    on habeas corpus to final judgments of conviction.” Following
    briefing, the Court of Appeal denied the petition in a published
    opinion. (Milton, supra, 42 Cal.App.5th at pp. 993–994.) The
    court concluded the trial court’s factfinding regarding firearm
    use would have been improper under Gallardo and that if
    Gallardo applied retroactively, remand would have been
    necessary. (Id. at p. 999.) The court held, however, that
    petitioner was not entitled to relief because Gallardo was not
    retroactive to his final judgment under federal and state tests
    for retroactivity. (Id. at pp. 993–994.)
    As we noted above, the Courts of Appeal that have
    considered Gallardo’s retroactivity are split on the issue. (E.g.,
    Milton, supra, 
    42 Cal.App.5th 977
     [Gallardo is not retroactive];
    In re Brown (2020) 
    45 Cal.App.5th 699
    , review granted June
    10, 2020, S261454 [Gallardo is retroactive]; In re Scott (2020)
    
    49 Cal.App.5th 1003
    , review granted Aug. 12, 2020, S262716
    [not retroactive]; In re Haden (2020) 
    49 Cal.App.5th 1091
    ,
    review granted Aug. 12, 2020, S263261 [not retroactive].) We
    granted review to resolve the conflict in the Courts of Appeal.
    DISCUSSION
    I. Sentence Enhancements Based on Prior Felony
    Convictions
    Under the Three Strikes law, a prior conviction for a
    “serious felony” (§ 1192.7, subd. (c)) or “violent felony” (§ 667.5,
    subd. (c)) is a strike and subjects a defendant to increased
    punishment. (§§ 1170.12, subd. (a), 667, subds. (b)–(j).) For a
    prior out-of-state conviction to qualify as a strike under
    section 667, subdivision (d)(2), the out-of-state offense must
    include all of the elements of a serious or violent felony in
    California. (People v. Warner (2006) 
    39 Cal.4th 548
    , 552–553.)
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    The California offense of robbery (§ 211), which is a
    serious felony (§ 1192.7, subd. (c)(19)), is a specific intent crime
    that requires “ ‘the intent to permanently deprive the person of
    the property.’ ” (People v. Jackson (2016) 
    1 Cal.5th 269
    , 343.)
    Illinois robberies are general intent crimes, and the definitions
    of robbery and armed robbery in Illinois do not include this
    specific intent element. (People v. Jamison (2001) 
    197 Ill.2d 135
    , 161 [
    756 N.E.2d 788
    , 801]; People v. Lee (1998) 
    294 Ill.App.3d 738
    , 743 [
    691 N.E.2d 117
    , 120].) Because the Illinois
    robbery statutes do not contain all the elements of California’s
    robbery statute, petitioner’s Illinois robbery convictions do not
    qualify as strikes under section 667, subdivision (d)(2).
    An out-of-state felony, however, also qualifies as a
    serious felony under California law if the defendant personally
    used a firearm or a dangerous or deadly weapon in committing
    the offense. (§ 1192.7, subd. (c)(8), (23); People v. Le (2015) 
    61 Cal.4th 416
    , 425.) Thus, if petitioner personally used a firearm
    in the commission of the Illinois felonies, those prior
    convictions would be serious felony convictions and strikes
    under California’s Three Strikes law.
    At the time the trial court sentenced petitioner in 1999,
    California law permitted trial courts to examine “the entire
    record” of a prior conviction “to determine the substance of”
    that conviction — i.e., the conduct underlying the conviction —
    for sentence enhancement purposes. (People v. Guerrero (1988)
    
    44 Cal.3d 343
    , 355 (Guerrero).) A year later, the United States
    Supreme Court held in Apprendi v. New Jersey (2000) 
    530 U.S. 466
     (Apprendi) that “any fact that increases the penalty for a
    crime beyond the prescribed statutory maximum” must be
    found by a jury. (Id. at p. 490.) The high court, however,
    preserved    the   so-called   Almendarez-Torres      exception
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    (Almendarez-Torres v. United States (1998) 
    523 U.S. 224
    ),
    under which “the fact of a prior conviction” used to impose an
    enhanced punishment for a later offense may be found by the
    court. (Apprendi, at p. 490.) Applying these principles, the
    Apprendi court concluded the defendant was improperly denied
    a jury trial on the factual predicate of an enhancement
    allegation that was attached to his pending charges. (Id. at pp.
    474, 490.)
    In People v. McGee (2006) 
    38 Cal.4th 682
     (McGee), we
    determined that Apprendi’s extension of the right to have a
    jury make factual findings did not apply to enhancements
    based on prior convictions. (McGee, at pp. 709–710.) We held
    the Sixth Amendment permits courts to determine whether the
    offense qualifies as a strike and that while the inquiry is a
    “limited one” that “focus[es] on the elements of the offense of
    which the defendant was convicted,” a court may also review
    the record of the prior conviction to determine whether “the
    conviction realistically may have been based on conduct that
    would not constitute a serious felony under California law.”
    (McGee, at p. 706.) We concluded the defendant therefore had
    no right to a jury finding on whether his prior conviction
    qualified as a serious felony and that the trial court did not err
    in examining the victim’s preliminary hearing testimony from
    the prior case to determine the nature of the prior conviction.
    (McGee, at pp. 689, 709.)
    Less than a decade later, the United States Supreme
    Court extended the right to have a jury make factual
    determinations about the nature of a prior conviction that is
    used to increase punishment. (See Descamps v. United States
    (2013) 
    570 U.S. 254
     (Descamps); Mathis v. United States (2016)
    
    579 U.S. 500
     (Mathis).) In Descamps, the district court
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    enhanced the defendant’s punishment under the Armed Career
    Criminal Act (ACCA, 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (e)), an elements-based
    federal recidivist sentencing scheme that requires imposition of
    an increased sentence where the elements of the prior
    conviction match those of an enumerated offense. (Descamps,
    at p. 254; see Taylor v. United States (1990) 
    495 U.S. 575
    , 600,
    601 [under the ACCA, the sentencing court compares only the
    elements of the offenses and does not look at the “facts
    underlying the prior convictions” or “the facts of each
    defendant’s conduct”].) The prior conviction in Descamps was a
    California burglary, which did not include an unlawful entry
    element as required by the ACCA. (Descamps, at pp. 254, 255–
    259.)
    In determining that the California burglary conviction
    qualified as an ACCA predicate offense, the district court
    reviewed a transcript of the plea colloquy, which showed the
    defendant did not object to the prosecutor’s statement that the
    burglary “ ‘involve[d] the breaking and entering of a grocery
    store.’ ” (Descamps, supra, 570 U.S. at p. 259.) The high court
    concluded this was error and held that the district court’s
    review of a prior conviction to determine whether it qualifies
    under the ACCA must be limited to the elements of those
    offenses (the “categorical approach”), except to the extent a
    limited inquiry into the record of the prior conviction is
    necessary to determine which part of a divisible statute was
    violated (the “modified categorical approach”). (Descamps, at
    pp. 267–270.) The Descamps court concluded that because
    California’s burglary statute is not a divisible statute divided
    into lawful and unlawful entry alternatives, the prosecutor’s
    references to the defendant’s breaking and entering was
    extraneous and could play no role in the district court’s efforts
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    to determine whether the conviction qualified as an ACCA
    predicate offense. (Descamps, at pp. 277–278.)
    Subsequently, in Mathis, supra, 
    579 U.S. 500
    , the United
    States Supreme Court considered whether an Iowa burglary
    conviction qualified as a prior conviction for ACCA purposes.
    Emphasizing that the ACCA involves an “elements-only
    inquiry” where “a sentencing judge may look only to ‘the
    elements of the [offense], not to the facts of [the] defendant’s
    conduct,’ ” the high court reaffirmed Descamps’s holding “that
    the prior crime qualifies as an ACCA predicate if, but only if,
    its elements are the same as, or narrower than, those of the
    generic offense.” (Mathis, supra, at pp. 510, 503.)
    In both Descamps and Mathis, the United States
    Supreme Court rested its decision on cases interpreting the
    ACCA but also drew upon Sixth Amendment principles for its
    holding. The Descamps court explained that the district court’s
    decision failed to consider “the categorical approach’s Sixth
    Amendment underpinnings. . . .       The Sixth Amendment
    contemplates that a jury — not a sentencing court — will
    [make findings about the defendant’s underlying conduct],
    unanimously and beyond a reasonable doubt.” (Descamps,
    supra, 570 U.S. at p. 269.) Similarly, the Mathis court stated
    that allowing courts to make factual determinations regarding
    prior convictions would raise Sixth Amendment concerns.
    (Mathis, supra, 579 U.S. at pp. 508, 511.)
    II. Our Gallardo Decision
    Shortly after the high court’s decisions in Descamps and
    Mathis, we revisited our earlier decision in McGee in Gallardo.
    (Gallardo, supra, 4 Cal.5th at p. 124.) In Gallardo, the
    prosecution alleged the defendant’s prior conviction for
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    aggravated assault under former section 245, subdivision
    (a)(1), a divisible statute, qualified as a strike. (Gallardo,
    supra, 4 Cal.5th at p. 123.) The defendant had pleaded guilty
    to that offense, but her plea did not specify whether she had
    used a deadly weapon (a serious felony) or force likely to
    produce great bodily injury (not a serious felony). (Id. at p.
    125; § 1192.7, subd. (c)(31) [“assault with a deadly weapon” is a
    serious felony].) To resolve this ambiguity, the trial court
    reviewed a transcript of the victim’s preliminary hearing
    testimony that the defendant used a knife and found, based on
    that testimony, that the prior conviction qualified as a strike.
    (Gallardo, at p. 125.)
    Although the trial court complied with the procedure we
    approved of in McGee, we concluded in Gallardo that the
    procedure was no longer viable in light of Descamps and
    Mathis, which informed us that a defendant’s “constitutional
    right to a jury trial swe[pt] more broadly than our case law
    previously recognized.” (Gallardo, supra, 4 Cal.5th at p. 138.)
    We “disapprove[d] People v. McGee” “insofar as it authorize[d]
    trial courts to make findings about the conduct that
    ‘realistically’ gave rise to a defendant’s prior conviction.”
    (Gallardo, at pp. 125, 134.) We held the court’s factfinding role
    regarding prior convictions was now “limited to identifying
    those facts that were established by virtue of the [prior]
    conviction itself — that is, facts the jury was necessarily
    required to find to render a guilty verdict, or that the
    defendant admitted as the factual basis for a guilty plea.” (Id.
    at p. 136; see id. at p. 124 [the 6th Amend. “ ‘contemplates that
    a jury,’ ” not the court, will make such factual findings],
    quoting Descamps, supra, 570 U.S. at p. 269.) Applying these
    principles, we concluded the trial court violated the defendant’s
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    right to a jury trial, and we remanded the matter for the court
    to determine what the defendant necessarily admitted about
    the nature of her crime when she entered her plea. (Gallardo,
    at p. 138.)
    Justice Chin concurred in the majority’s conclusion that a
    defendant has the right to a jury trial on the nature of his or
    her prior conviction but disagreed with the majority’s remedy
    of remanding the matter for the trial court to review the record
    of conviction. (Gallardo, supra, 4 Cal.5th at p. 140 (conc. & dis.
    opn. of Chin, J.).) He proposed instead that a jury should
    review the record of conviction and that the defendant should
    have the option of presenting live testimony on remand: “The
    proper remedy for a violation of defendant’s jury trial right is
    to give her that jury trial.” (Ibid.) The majority rejected
    Justice Chin’s suggested remedy, which neither party had
    requested. (Id. at p. 138.) The majority stated that having a
    jury empaneled for the sole purpose of reviewing the record of
    conviction would raise concerns about compliance with
    Apprendi and would not involve procedural safeguards such as
    cross-examination of witnesses “that normally apply in
    criminal proceedings.” (Id. at p. 139.) The majority also
    stated, “Our precedent instructs that determinations about the
    nature of prior convictions are to be made by the court, rather
    than a jury, based on the record of conviction. (See McGee,
    
    supra,
     38 Cal.4th at p. 695.) We have explained that the
    purpose of the latter limitation is to avoid forcing the parties to
    relitigate long-ago events, threatening defendants with ‘harm
    akin to double jeopardy and denial of speedy trial.’ (Guerrero,
    supra, 44 Cal.3d at p. 355.) The Attorney General has not
    asked us to reconsider this aspect of our precedent.” (Gallardo,
    supra, at p. 138.)
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    III. Gallardo Does Not Apply Retroactively
    A. General Principles
    California courts have applied two tests for retroactivity,
    often referred to as the federal and state tests. (In re Thomas
    (2018) 
    30 Cal.App.5th 744
    , 754 (Thomas).) Under both tests, a
    judicial decision that creates a “new rule” is generally not
    given retroactive effect in cases on collateral review that were
    final when the rule was announced. (Teague v. Lane (1989)
    
    489 U.S. 288
    , 306 (Teague); Donaldson v. Superior Court (1983)
    
    35 Cal.3d 24
    , 36.) Thus, the threshold question under both
    tests is whether a judicial decision constitutes a new rule. (In
    re Ruedas (2018) 
    23 Cal.App.5th 777
    , 799 (Ruedas).) A new
    rule, however, will nevertheless be given retroactive effect
    under either test if it is substantive, as opposed to procedural.
    (Teague, 
    supra,
     489 U.S. at p. 311; People v. Mutch (1971) 
    4 Cal.3d 389
    , 395–396.) Therefore, the second question under
    both tests is whether the new rule announced by the judicial
    decision is procedural or substantive.
    Under the federal test, rules that are both new and
    procedural do not apply retroactively to final judgments,
    without exception. (Edwards v. Vannoy (2021) 
    593 U.S. ___
    ,
    [
    141 S.Ct. 1547
    , 1551–1552, 1560] (Edwards) [the United
    States Supreme Court’s decision striking down Louisiana’s
    nonunanimous jury verdict law is not retroactive to final
    judgments because it is a new procedural rule].) 3 In contrast,
    3
    Until recently, a new procedural rule could nevertheless
    be retroactive under the federal test if it was a “watershed”
    rule that altered “ ‘our understanding of the bedrock
    procedural elements that must be found to vitiate the fairness
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    in California, a new procedural rule may nevertheless be
    retroactive under People v. Johnson (1970) 
    3 Cal.3d 404
    (Johnson), a case in which this court recited three factors the
    United States Supreme Court had previously instructed courts
    to consider in determining whether a new rule applies
    retroactively to cases predating the announcement of the rule:
    “ ‘ “(a) the purpose to be served by the new standards, (b) the
    extent of the reliance by law enforcement authorities on the old
    standards, and (c) the effect on the administration of justice of
    a retroactive application of the new standards.” ’ ” (Id. at
    p. 410; In re Lopez (2016) 
    246 Cal.App.4th 350
    , 359, fn. 2
    [“[t]he California Supreme Court has articulated a different
    three-part test for determining retroactivity of judicial opinions
    involving questions of procedure”].)
    “The application of [the various] procedural bars and
    limitations on the retroactivity of changes in the criminal law
    serves to protect the finality of judgments on collateral review.”
    (In re Martinez (2017) 
    3 Cal.5th 1216
    , 1222 (Martinez); see
    Teague, 
    supra,
     489 U.S. at p. 306 [the government has a
    of a particular conviction.’ ” (Teague, 
    supra,
     489 U.S. at p.
    311.) Historically, there was such a high bar for a rule to be
    considered “watershed” that Gideon v. Wainwright (1963) 
    372 U.S. 335
    , which held that indigent defendants have the right to
    counsel, was the only case that had met this exception.
    (Whorton v. Bockting (2007) 
    549 U.S. 406
    , 418.) Last year, the
    high court in Edwards, supra, 
    593 U.S. ___
    , [141 S.Ct. at
    pp. 1551–1552, 1560] acknowledged how narrow the watershed
    exception has been and eliminated it. In light of Edwards,
    which was decided six months after petitioner filed his reply
    brief, petitioner withdrew his argument that Gallardo
    announced a watershed rule.
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    legitimate interest in having judgments remain final, and
    collateral review “ ‘is not designed as a substitute for direct
    review’ ”].) Some California courts have applied the federal
    retroactivity test in deciding the retroactivity of new
    procedural rules (e.g., In re Moore (2005) 
    133 Cal.App.4th 68
    ,
    77 [new procedural rule not retroactive under Teague]), while
    others have applied the state Johnson test (e.g., Thomas,
    supra, 30 Cal.App.5th at pp. 760–761 [new procedural rule not
    retroactive under Johnson]) or both tests (e.g., Ruedas, supra,
    23 Cal.App.5th at p. 799).          We have neither explicitly
    disavowed Johnson nor explicitly adopted the federal Teague
    test for state collateral review proceedings (In re Hansen (2014)
    
    227 Cal.App.4th 906
    , 910), and we need not decide in this case
    what test applies to new procedural rules, because we reach
    the same conclusion under both tests.
    B. Gallardo Is a New Rule Under Both
    Federal and State Law
    Under federal law, a case will generally be considered to
    have announced a new rule where it “breaks new ground,” i.e.,
    “the result was not dictated by precedent existing at the time
    the defendant’s conviction became final.” (Teague, 
    supra,
     489
    U.S. at p. 301.) The result in a given case is not dictated by
    precedent if it is “susceptible to debate among reasonable
    minds” (Butler v. McKellar (1990) 
    494 U.S. 407
    , 415) or if
    “reasonable jurists may disagree” (Sawyer v. Smith (1990) 
    497 U.S. 227
    , 234).
    The California cases such as Guerrero that existed at the
    time petitioner’s conviction became final did not dictate our
    decision in Gallardo because Gallardo invalidated the prior
    procedure that Guerrero and other cases had approved. Nor
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    did federal precedent such as Apprendi, which existed at the
    time petitioner’s conviction became final, dictate our Gallardo
    decision. In McGee, which we decided after Apprendi, we
    expressly distinguished Apprendi and declined to construe it in
    a manner that afforded a defendant the right to a jury trial on
    the nature of a prior conviction. (McGee, supra, 38 Cal.4th at
    pp. 696–697.) In other words, we did not view Apprendi and
    other existing United States Supreme Court precedent as
    dictating the result we later reached in Gallardo.
    Furthermore, as we stated in Gallardo, the law
    regarding a sentencing court’s authority to make factual
    findings about prior convictions was unsettled after Apprendi
    was decided: “In the wake of Apprendi, questions arose about
    the scope of the so-called Almendarez-Torres exception to the
    general Sixth Amendment rule forbidding judicial factfinding
    in criminal cases.” (Gallardo, supra, 4 Cal.5th at p. 128; see
    id. at pp. 127, 138 [acknowledging it would have been difficult
    for the parties in Gallardo to know how Apprendi and
    Descamps would have affected their case].) We conclude that
    Gallardo announced a new rule under the federal test because
    precedent that existed at the time petitioner’s conviction
    became final did not dictate our decision in Gallardo.4
    4
    Petitioner argues Gallardo is nevertheless retroactive
    under In re Gomez (2009) 
    45 Cal.4th 650
     (Gomez), but that
    case is distinguishable.     There, this court decided the
    retroactivity of the high court’s holding in Cunningham v.
    California (2007) 
    549 U.S. 270
     (Cunningham) — that
    California’s determinate sentencing laws violated the rule
    articulated in Blakely v. Washington (2004) 
    542 U.S. 296
    (Blakely) that an aggravating fact used to increase a sentence
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    Under California law, a rule is new where the decision
    “(1) explicitly overrules a precedent of [the California Supreme
    Court] [citation], or (2) disapproves a practice impliedly
    sanctioned by prior decisions of [the California Supreme Court]
    [citation], or (3) disapproves a longstanding and widespread
    practice expressly approved by a near-unanimous body of
    lower-court authorities.” (People v. Guerra (1984) 
    37 Cal.3d 385
    , 401 (Guerra); see Donaldson v. Superior Court, supra, 35
    Cal.3d at p. 36 [a decision that “only elucidates and enforces
    prior law” does not create new law].)
    Petitioner concedes, and we agree, that “Gallardo
    satisfies this threshold inquiry, as it disapproved prior
    California Supreme Court law” by “overrul[ing] the prior
    precedent set forth in Guerrero and McGee.” In Gallardo, we
    explicitly overruled McGee, which had, until then, provided
    controlling precedent on a trial court’s authority to make
    beyond the standard range had to be found by a jury. Blakely
    had already been decided by the time the petitioner was
    sentenced, but Cunningham had not. (Gomez, supra, 45
    Cal.4th at p. 653.) This court held in Gomez that Cunningham
    was retroactive to the petitioner’s final judgment because it did
    not announce a “new rule,” but instead was “dictated” by
    Blakely.     (Gomez, 
    supra,
     45 Cal.4th at p. 658.)          In so
    concluding, this court emphasized that the high court made it
    clear in Cunningham that it was “simply appl[ying]” Blakely’s
    “ ‘bright-line-rule’ ” to California’s sentencing laws and that it
    “d[id] not view its application of Blakely to California law as an
    extension or modification of the [Blakely] rule.” (Gomez, 
    supra,
    45 Cal.4th at pp. 660, 658.) In contrast, in deciding Gallardo,
    we did not “simply appl[y]” Apprendi or other precedent that
    existed at the time petitioner’s conviction became final. (Id. at
    p. 660.)
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    factual findings when determining whether a prior conviction
    qualified as a strike. (See Saffle v. Parks (1990) 
    494 U.S. 484
    ,
    488 [“[t]he explicit overruling of an earlier holding no doubt
    creates a new rule”].) We did not merely “explain or refine the
    holding of a prior case, . . . apply an existing precedent to a
    different fact situation, . . . or . . . draw a conclusion that was
    clearly implied in or anticipated by previous opinions.”
    (Guerra, supra, 37 Cal.3d at p. 399 [listing “common examples
    of decisions that do not establish a new rule of law”].)
    C. Gallardo Is a Procedural, Not Substantive Rule,
    Under Both Federal and State Law
    Federal and state cases distinguish between substantive
    and procedural rules in similar ways. We therefore review
    federal and state authorities relevant to this substantive-
    procedural dichotomy together and conclude the Gallardo rule
    is procedural under both the federal and state tests.
    Both federal and state cases have held that a rule is
    substantive rather than procedural where it “ ‘alters the range
    of conduct or the class of persons that the law punishes.’ ”
    (Welch v. United States (2016) 
    578 U.S. 120
    , 129 (Welch); see
    Martinez, supra, 3 Cal.5th at p. 1222.) “ ‘This includes
    decisions that narrow the scope of a criminal statute by
    interpreting its terms, as well as constitutional determinations
    that place particular conduct or persons covered by the statute
    beyond the State’s power to punish.’ ” (Welch, at p. 129; see In
    re Lopez, supra, 246 Cal.App.4th at p. 357.)
    In Welch, the high court considered the retroactivity of
    its holding in Johnson v. United States (2015) 
    576 U.S. 591
    ,
    597, invalidating as unconstitutionally vague a provision of the
    ACCA that defined “violent felony” as any felony that
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    “ ‘otherwise involves conduct that presents a serious potential
    risk of physical injury to another.’ ” (Welch, supra, 578 U.S. at
    p. 123.) The high court held this new rule was substantive
    because all defendants whose sentences had been enhanced
    under the now-invalidated provision were categorically
    excluded from enhanced punishment as a result of the new
    rule. In other words, the new rule “changed the substantive
    reach of the [ACCA], altering ‘the range of conduct or the class
    of persons [the ACCA] punishes.’ ” (Welch, at p. 129.) In
    Martinez, we held that our holding in People v. Chiu (2014) 
    59 Cal.4th 155
     that a natural and probable consequences theory
    of liability can no longer serve as a basis for a first degree
    murder conviction was a substantive change in the law that
    applied retroactively to final judgments. (Martinez, supra,
    3 Cal.5th at pp. 1222–1223.) As in Welch, the new rule we
    announced in Chiu was substantive because all defendants
    who had been convicted of first degree murder under the now-
    invalidated natural and probable consequences theory were
    categorically entitled to relief from their convictions as a result
    of the new rule.
    “Procedural rules, by contrast, ‘regulate only the manner
    of determining the defendant’s culpability.’ [Citation.] Such
    rules alter ‘the range of permissible methods for determining
    whether a defendant’s conduct is punishable.’ [Citation.]
    ‘They do not produce a class of persons convicted of conduct the
    law does not make criminal, but merely raise the possibility
    that someone convicted with use of the invalidated procedure
    might have been acquitted otherwise.’ ” (Welch, supra, 578
    U.S. at p. 129; see Schriro v. Summerlin (2004) 
    542 U.S. 348
    ,
    352 (Schriro) [procedural rules have a “more speculative
    connection to innocence”].) “If a new rule regulates only the
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    procedures for determining culpability, the Teague balance
    generally tips in favor of finality. The chance of a more
    accurate outcome under the new procedure normally does not
    justify the cost of vacating a conviction whose only flaw is that
    its procedures ‘conformed to then-existing constitutional
    standards.’ ” (Welch, supra, 578 U.S. at p. 131.) Some
    examples of procedural rules are ones that “alter[] only the
    procedures used to obtain the conviction,” “ ‘allocate
    decisionmaking authority’ between judge and jury, [citation],
    or regulate the evidence that the court [may] consider in
    making its decision.” (Id. at pp. 131, 130.)
    In its most recent retroactivity case, the United States
    Supreme Court stated that its decision striking down
    Louisiana’s nonunanimous jury verdict law, which permits
    conviction by a 10-2 vote, was a procedural rule because it
    “alter[ed] ‘only the manner of determining the defendant’s
    culpability.’ ” (Edwards, supra, 
    593 U.S. ___
    , [141 S.Ct. at
    p. 1562], quoting Schriro, 
    supra,
     542 U.S. at p. 353; see Jones
    v. Mississippi (2021) ___ U.S. ___, ___ [
    141 S.Ct. 1307
    , 1318, fn.
    4].) Similarly, the rule from Crawford v. Washington (2004)
    
    541 U.S. 36
     that the confrontation clause gives defendants the
    right to confront and cross-examine witnesses was procedural
    because, while it narrowed the class of persons subject to
    criminal punishment, it merely changed the “procedure for
    determining whether the admission of hearsay statements
    violated the confrontation clause.” (In re Moore, supra, 133
    Cal.App.4th at p. 75; see Whorton v. Bockting, 
    supra,
     549 U.S.
    at p. 417 [“it is clear and undisputed that the [Crawford] rule
    is procedural and not substantive”]; Ruedas, supra, 23
    Cal.App.5th at p. 793 [the rule from People v. Sanchez (2016)
    
    63 Cal. 4th 665
     that an expert witness’s out-of-court
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    testimonial statements about case-specific facts violates the
    confrontation clause (Sanchez rule) is procedural, not
    substantive].)
    Petitioner argues the Gallardo rule is substantive
    because, “[b]y limiting imposition of an increased sentence to
    circumstances where the prior conviction itself, as distinct
    from the underlying conduct, supports the increased sentence,”
    the rule “ ‘alter[ed] the range of conduct or the class of persons
    that the law punishes’ ” and “effectively ‘modifie[d] the
    elements’ [citation] of the prior conviction allegation.” We
    disagree. Unlike Welch, Martinez, and other cases in which
    courts have found rules to be substantive in nature, Gallardo
    did not change the law in a way that excludes certain types of
    offenders from the reach of the law (here, the Three Strikes
    law) nor did it categorically provide relief to all defendants who
    were sentenced under the pre-Gallardo rule. 5 Nor did our
    decision in Gallardo “ ‘narrow the scope of a criminal statute’ ”
    (Welch, supra, 578 U.S. at p. 129) for example, by eliminating
    out-of-state prior convictions or convictions involving personal
    use of a firearm or a deadly weapon as qualifying serious
    felonies.
    Rather, the Gallardo rule “regulate[d] the evidence that
    the   court could consider” in making prior conviction
    5
    For example, in both In re Scott, supra, 49 Cal.App.5th at
    p. 1019, review granted, and In re Haden, supra, 49
    Cal.App.5th at p. 1107 (conc. opn. of Tucher, J.), review
    granted, the Courts of Appeal held that Gallardo is not
    retroactive but stated that even if it were, the petitioners in
    those cases would not be entitled to relief.
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    determinations (Welch, supra, 578 U.S. at p. 130) by
    precluding courts from looking at anything other than “those
    facts that were established by virtue of the [prior] conviction
    itself — that is, facts the jury was necessarily required to find
    to render a guilty verdict, or that the defendant admitted as
    the factual basis for a guilty plea” (Gallardo, supra, 4 Cal.5th
    at p. 136).
    Petitioner argues that “the class of persons who may be
    subject to the punishment has been limited as well” because,
    by limiting the evidence on which a court may rely in making
    prior    conviction  determinations,     Gallardo   effectively
    “narrow[ed] the universe of the defendants for whom a
    sentence can be enhanced based on a prior conviction.”
    However, most, if not all, new procedural rules — such as the
    high court’s invalidation of Louisiana’s nonunanimous jury
    verdict law (Edwards, supra, 
    593 U.S. ___
    , [
    141 S.Ct. 1547
    ]) or
    the Crawford and Sanchez rules — likely “narrow[] the
    universe of defendants” “subject to the punishment” in the
    sense that fewer defendants will have been convicted if the
    new rules had been in effect at the time they were tried.
    However, as discussed above, more is required before we may
    conclude that a new rule is substantive in nature. A new rule
    is not substantive merely because it “ ‘raise[s] the possibility
    that someone convicted with use of the invalidated procedure
    might have been acquitted otherwise.’ ” (Welch, supra, 578
    U.S. at p. 129.)
    Notably, we described the trial court’s error in Gallardo
    as one concerning the “form” of judicial factfinding, stating,
    “[T]he court engaged in a form of factfinding that strayed
    beyond the bounds of the Sixth Amendment” in finding the
    defendant used a knife. (Gallardo, supra, 4 Cal.5th at p. 136.)
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    And, consistent with our view of the court’s error in Gallardo,
    we remanded the matter, instructing the trial court to
    reconsider its factual finding of the defendant’s knife use “in
    accordance with this opinion,” that is, by considering only “ ‘the
    record of the prior proceeding’ ” to determine “ ‘what facts [the
    defendant] necessarily admitted in entering her plea.’ ” (Id. at
    pp. 140, 130, 137.) We did not remove the defendant or any
    group of people from the reach of applicable sentencing laws,
    and we did not conclude that the conduct underlying her prior
    conviction, i.e., whether she used a knife, was no longer
    relevant. Instead, we described the procedural changes that
    would apply to the court’s determination on remand of whether
    the prior conviction qualified as a prior strike.6 We therefore
    conclude the Gallardo rule, which “prescribe[d] the manner of
    finding facts to increase the defendant’s sentence” by changing
    “ ‘ “the range of permissible methods for determining whether
    a defendant’s conduct is punishable,” ’ ” was procedural in
    nature. (Milton, supra, 42 Cal.App.5th at p. 992; In re Brown,
    supra, 45 Cal.App.5th at p. 716, review granted [disagreeing
    with the Milton court on the ultimate question of Gallardo’s
    retroactivity but agreeing that the new rule that Gallardo
    announced was procedural, not substantive].)
    6
    Although the offense in Gallardo involved a divisible
    offense, Gallardo did not decide that the Three Strikes law
    could have no possible application in cases involving indivisible
    offenses. Accordingly, the Court of Appeal in Milton stated
    that if Gallardo applied retroactively, petitioner would not be
    automatically entitled to relief, but the matter would need to
    be remanded for a redetermination of the prior offenses under
    the procedure announced in Gallardo. Other Courts of Appeal
    have reached similar conclusions after Gallardo.
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    Our conclusion is buttressed by cases that have held that
    rules protecting a defendant’s Sixth Amendment right to a jury
    finding on facts needed to support increased sentences are
    procedural. “[T]he United States Supreme Court has made it
    clear that Apprendi, and cases following it, did not alter state
    substantive law.” (People v. Anderson (2009) 
    47 Cal.4th 92
    ,
    118.) In People v. Amons (2005) 
    125 Cal.App.4th 855
    , 865, the
    Court of Appeal held that the holding in Blakely that an
    aggravating fact other than a prior conviction used to increase
    a sentence beyond the statutory standard range must be found
    by a jury “is a procedural rule that affects only the manner of
    determining the defendant’s punishment.” (See Schardt v.
    Payne (9th Cir. 2005) 
    414 F.3d 1025
    , 1036 [Blakely, which
    “allocated some of the decision-making authority previously
    held by judges to juries,” is a procedural rule].) And in Schriro,
    
    supra,
     542 U.S. at page 358, the United States Supreme Court
    explained that its holding in Ring v. Arizona (2002) 
    536 U.S. 584
    , that a defendant has a Sixth Amendment right to have a
    jury find facts sufficient to impose the death penalty, was a
    procedural rule.7
    7
    The cases on which petitioner relies in arguing the
    Gallardo rule was substantive do not support his position. In
    Montgomery v. Louisiana (2016) 
    577 U.S. 190
    , the United
    States Supreme Court held that a new rule invalidating
    mandatory sentencing schemes that require juveniles to be
    sentenced to life in prison without parole (LWOP) applied
    retroactively. In People v. Trujeque (2015) 
    61 Cal.4th 227
    , we
    held that a decision barring prosecution of a juvenile as an
    adult after the juvenile court has commenced adjudicatory
    proceedings applied retroactively. In both cases, the new rules
    exempted a whole category of people (juveniles) from ever
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    facing trial or receiving mandatory LWOP sentences and
    redefined the class of people who could be punished.
    Allen v. Ives (9th Cir. 2020) 
    950 F.3d 1184
    , which
    petitioner cites, as well as Holt v. U.S. (7th Cir. 2016) 
    843 F.3d 720
     and Hill v. Masters (6th Cir. 2016) 
    836 F.3d 591
    , on which
    Justice Liu relies, are also distinguishable. In Allen v. Ives, the
    court stated that Descamps and Mathis announced a
    substantive rule because they “alter[ed] ‘the range of conduct’ ”
    the law punished. (Allen v. Ives, supra, 950 F.3d at p. 1192.)
    As we noted above, in Descamps and Mathis, the high court
    interpreted the ACCA, an elements-based statutory scheme, in
    a way that limited its substantive reach to prior convictions
    that matched the elements of an ACCA offense. (Descamps,
    supra, 570 U.S. at pp. 277–278 [California burglary is not a
    qualifying offense under the ACCA]; Mathis, supra, 579 U.S. at
    p. 509 [Iowa burglary is not a qualifying offense under the
    ACCA].) Thus, because of the Descamps and Mathis decisions,
    an entire category of defendants, i.e., those whose sentences
    were enhanced under the ACCA based on prior California or
    Iowa burglary convictions, are no longer subject to sentence
    enhancements based on those prior convictions.
    In contrast to the ACCA, the Three Strikes law does not
    define qualifying offenses strictly by their elements but looks
    to the conduct underlying the offense. (See, e.g., Guerrero,
    supra, 44 Cal.3d at p. 352.) For example, unlike the ACCA,
    section 1192.7 defines as “serious felonies” offenses that do not
    correspond to any established offense under California law;
    these offenses instead focus on the factual content of the crime,
    such as gun use. In other words, these offenses would never be
    established merely by the fact of conviction or by consideration
    of formal elements alone. Because it is the Three Strikes law
    itself that required (and still requires) a judge to consider “the
    nature of the conduct underlying a prior conviction” when
    determining whether that conviction qualifies as a strike,
    Gallardo was not, and could not have been, a “state law analog
    to Descamps and Mathis” as Justice Liu asserts it was
    intended to be. (Dis. opn. of Liu, J., post, at p. 5.) In Gallardo,
    which involved application of the Three Strikes law, we did not
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    Because Gallardo announced a new procedural rule, it is
    not retroactive to final judgments under the federal
    retroactivity test. (Edwards, supra, 
    593 U.S. ___
    , [141 S.Ct. at
    pp. 1551–1552, 1560] [under the federal test, new rules of
    criminal procedure are not retroactive on collateral review,
    without exception].)
    D. Gallardo Is Also Not Retroactive Under the
    State Johnson Test
    We likewise conclude Gallardo is not retroactive under
    the state test we announced in Johnson. Under Johnson, the
    retroactivity of a new rule is determined by “ ‘ “(a) the purpose
    to be served by the new standards, (b) the extent of the
    reliance by law enforcement authorities on the old standards,
    and (c) the effect on the administration of justice of a
    retroactive application of the new standards.” ’ ” (Johnson,
    supra, 3 Cal.3d at p. 410.) The first factor — the purpose of
    the new rule — is the critical factor in determining
    retroactivity. The other “factors of reliance and burden on the
    administration of justice are of significant relevance only when
    the question of retroactivity is a close one after the purpose of
    the new rule is considered.” (Ibid.; see Guerra, supra, 37
    Cal.3d at pp. 401–402.)
    make substantive changes to the Three Strikes law (pp. 20–23,
    ante) but instead addressed the procedural issue of how the
    court should go about making the determination of whether a
    prior conviction counts as a strike. Namely, we altered the
    source material from which a judge could draw in making that
    determination: after Gallardo, a judge may consider only
    those “facts that were necessarily found in the course of
    entering the conviction.” (Gallardo, supra, 4 Cal.5th at p. 134.)
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    Johnson is referred to as “the old federal standard”
    (Ruedas, supra, 23 Cal.App.5th at p. 799) because it is based
    on factors the United States Supreme Court articulated in a
    number of retroactivity cases beginning with Linkletter v.
    Walker (1965) 
    381 U.S. 618
    , 629 (Linkletter). In Linkletter, the
    high court set forth several factors relevant to the retroactivity
    analysis, including “the prior history of the rule in question, its
    purpose and effect, and whether retrospective operation will
    further or retard its operation.” (Linkletter, 
    supra,
     381 U.S. at
    p. 629.) The court noted that “in each of the three areas in
    which we have applied our rule retrospectively the principle
    that we applied went to the fairness of the trial — the very
    integrity of the fact-finding process.” (Id. at p. 639, fn.
    omitted.) And the court suggested that this basic-fairness-and-
    reliability test would apply differently on direct and collateral
    review. While “a change in law will be given effect while a case
    is on direct review,” the “effect of the subsequent ruling of
    invalidity on prior final judgments when collaterally attacked
    is subject to no set ‘principle of absolute retroactive invalidity’
    but depends upon a consideration of” multiple factors,
    including “ ‘public policy in the light of the nature both of the
    statute and of its previous application.’ ” (Id. at p. 627, italics
    added.) Two years after Linkletter, in Stovall v. Denno (1967)
    
    388 U.S. 293
    , 297, the high court refined its analysis into a
    three-part test based in part on the factors listed in Linkletter:
    (a) the purpose to be served by the new standards; (b) the
    extent of the reliance by law enforcement authorities on the old
    standards; and (c) the effect on the administration of justice of
    a retroactive application of the new standards.
    In 1970, we adopted the Linkletter-Stovall approach in
    Johnson and surveyed the high court’s retroactivity decisions
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    for guidance on how to apply the three factors. (Johnson,
    supra, 3 Cal.3d at p. 410.) In discussing the high court’s
    retroactivity cases, we — like the high court — noted that in
    many of those cases, concerns about basic fairness determined
    whether a new rule was retroactive. We observed, for example,
    that the high court gave retroactive effect to new rules
    protecting a defendant’s right to counsel at various stages of a
    trial “because denial of counsel ‘must almost invariably deny a
    fair trial.’ ” (Id. at p. 411.) We noted that in contrast, the high
    court did not give retroactive effect to a rule that provided
    defendants with the right to counsel at lineup because “the
    absence of counsel does not render a lineup unfair per se.” (Id.
    at p. 412.) We also noted that cases requiring juries, rather
    than judges, to decide serious criminal cases were not
    retroactive “because although those cases recognized that
    juries may serve to prevent arbitrariness and repression, they
    did not rest on any assumption that nonjury trials are more
    likely than jury trials to be unfair or unreliable.” (Ibid., citing
    DeStefano v. Woods (1968) 
    392 U.S. 631
    .) Based on that review
    of cases from the high court, we also stated that reliability was
    a core concern: “Fully retroactive decisions are seen as
    vindicating a right which is essential to a reliable
    determination of whether an accused should suffer a penal
    sanction. . . . [¶] On the other hand, decisions which have
    been denied retroactive effect are seen as vindicating interests
    which are collateral to or relatively far removed from the
    reliability of the fact-finding process at trial.” (Johnson, supra,
    3 Cal.3d at pp. 411–412.)
    Meanwhile, during the same period, disagreements
    developed at the high court over the Linkletter-Stovall
    approach. The primary disagreement was sparked by the
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    court’s post-Linkletter conflation of direct and collateral review
    for retroactivity purposes. Justice Harlan, in two influential
    minority opinions, criticized this development and emphasized
    the need to return to Linkletter’s original distinction between
    cases on collateral and direct review, with much more
    stringent retroactivity standards to be applied to cases on
    collateral review. (Desist v. United States (1969) 
    394 U.S. 244
    ,
    258 (Desist) (dis. opn. of Harlan, J.); Mackey v. United States
    (1971) 
    401 U.S. 667
    , 692–693, 696 (Mackey) (conc. & dis. opn.
    of Harlan, J.).) 8 The high court largely adopted Justice
    Harlan’s proposals by eventually holding that new rules will
    apply retroactively on direct review (Griffith v. Kentucky (1987)
    
    479 U.S. 314
    , 322), while they will only rarely be applied
    retroactively on collateral review (Teague, 
    supra,
     489 U.S. at
    pp. 308, 310, 317, 319–320 [emphasizing the need to respect
    the finality of judgments on collateral review]).
    Following the United States Supreme Court’s decision in
    Teague, we have not had much occasion to apply Johnson’s
    8
    In these opinions, Justice Harlan stated that new
    substantive rules should apply retroactively, while new
    procedural rules should be retroactive only where the
    procedures used were “so fundamentally devoid of the
    necessary elements of procedural due process as to require
    upsetting [the] conviction in spite of the fact that it was
    perfectly lawful when made final.” (Mackey, supra, 401 U.S. at
    pp. 699–700 (conc. & dis. opn. of Harlan, J.).) He also
    emphasized the importance of the finality of judgments and
    urged that courts should apply new rules retroactively on
    direct review but should not do so on collateral review except
    in very limited situations. (Desist, 
    supra,
     394 U.S. at p. 258
    (dis. opn. of Harlan, J.).)
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    three-part test. It appears the last time we did so was in
    People v. Carrera (1989) 
    49 Cal.3d 291
    , 327–328, an automatic
    appeal we decided six months after the high court decided
    Teague.    However, a review of our post-Johnson cases,
    including more recent retroactivity cases from our court,
    indicates that we have incorporated some of the key
    developments in retroactivity law that the high court made in
    the post-Johnson years — developments that are largely
    consistent with Justice Harlan’s understanding of what
    Linkletter, the landmark case that ultimately gave rise to
    Johnson, originally required.
    For example, in Johnson, we did not originally
    distinguish between cases on direct review and collateral
    review. But nearly all of our post-Johnson cases applying the
    Johnson test concerned retroactive application of a rule to
    nonfinal convictions.    We later recognized a distinction
    between direct and collateral review in Guerra, where we
    stated that “even a . . . decision . . . that cannot serve as a basis
    for collateral attack on a final judgment . . . ordinarily governs
    all cases . . . on direct review . . . .” (Guerra, supra, 37 Cal.3d
    at p. 400; see Martinez, supra, 3 Cal.5th at p. 1222 [the various
    “procedural bars and limitations on the retroactivity of changes
    in the criminal law serves to protect the finality of judgments
    on collateral review”].) We also did not distinguish between
    substantive and procedural rules in Johnson, but in cases
    decided post-Johnson, we have made that distinction clear by
    adopting the view that all substantive rules are retroactive.
    (E.g., Martinez, supra, 3 Cal.5th at pp. 1222–1223.) And, in
    the years following Johnson, we have incorporated some of the
    high court’s statements regarding fairness of the proceedings,
    focusing on both fairness and reliability as integral aspects of
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    our retroactivity determinations. (E.g., People v. Meyers (1987)
    
    43 Cal.3d 250
    , 267 [a new rule invalidating a jury selection
    procedure was not retroactive to cases in which juries were
    selected before the rule was announced because its purpose
    was to further 6th Amend. values, and the new rule “ ‘did not
    rest on the premise that every criminal trial’ ” conducted under
    the former jury selection procedure “ ‘was necessarily unfair’ ”];
    People v. McDaniel (1976) 
    16 Cal.3d 156
    , 166, fn. 4 [citing
    Stovall for the proposition that denial of counsel not only
    would “adversely affect the truth-finding process” but would
    also “almost invariably lead to a denial of a fair trial”].)
    With a fuller appreciation for the pre- and post-Johnson
    developments that provide the framework for our analysis,
    including the added importance we place on the finality of
    judgments when evaluating the retroactivity of cases on
    collateral review, we return to the question of whether the
    Gallardo rule is retroactive under the Johnson test.
    As we stated in Guerra — which concerned a nonfinal
    case on direct review — for a new rule to apply retroactively,
    its “ ‘major’ ” or “primary purpose” must be “to promote reliable
    determinations of guilt or innocence,” i.e., “ ‘ “ ‘to overcome an
    aspect of the criminal trial that substantially impairs its truth-
    finding function and so raises serious questions about the
    accuracy of guilty verdicts.’ ” ’ ” (Guerra, supra, 37 Cal.3d at
    pp. 402, 403.) For these purposes, the threshold for applying a
    case retroactively on collateral review is necessarily
    demanding, given the important systemic interests in the
    stability and finality of judgments. (See Martinez, supra, 3
    Cal.5th at p. 1222.) Petitioner argues Gallardo is retroactive
    under this standard because the “fundamental purpose of
    Gallardo is to promote fair and reliable determinations of the
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    defendant’s guilt or innocence on the allegation that he
    suffered a prior conviction qualifying as a strike under
    California law.” We disagree.
    Although the rule we announced in Gallardo modified
    the   permissible procedures for finding facts about a
    defendant’s prior convictions, the factfinding procedures in
    place prior to Gallardo did not lack basic integrity or fairness
    in a manner akin to the practices the Linkletter court identified
    as paradigmatic examples of basic unfairness: denying an
    indigent defendant an attorney, foreclosing a criminal appeal
    because of inability to pay, or using an unfair procedure for
    determining whether a confession admitted in evidence is
    actually voluntary. (See Linkletter, 
    supra,
     381 U.S. at p. 639,
    fn. 20.) During the many years in which it was the sentencing
    court’s role to make findings about the nature of prior
    convictions, for example, a pre-Gallardo sentencing court “still
    had to apply the beyond-a-reasonable-doubt standard of proof”
    in determining whether a prior conviction was a serious or
    violent felony. (Milton, supra, 42 Cal.App.5th at pp. 995, citing
    People v. Frierson (2017) 
    4 Cal.5th 225
    , 233; see People v.
    Woodell (1998) 
    17 Cal.4th 448
    , 461 [there was evidence to
    support a finding, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the
    defendant’s out-of-state prior conviction involved the use of a
    deadly weapon for purposes of determining whether the prior
    conviction was a serious felony].) In addition, a pre-Gallardo
    sentencing court was restricted to reviewing the record of the
    prior conviction and “no further,” which ensured the court
    would not base its determination on potentially unreliable
    information outside the record of conviction. (Guerrero, supra,
    44 Cal.3d at p. 355 [noting the restriction is “fair” and
    “reasonable”].)
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    Moreover, there were other safeguards in place to ensure
    the sentencing court would not base its findings on unreliable
    material in the record of conviction. In People v. Reed (1996)
    
    13 Cal.4th 217
    , for example, we held the sentencing court erred
    in relying on a probation report in determining the conduct
    underlying the defendant’s prior conviction (i.e., that he used a
    deadly weapon) because a court is permitted to rely only on
    documents that “reliably reflect[] the facts” of the prior offense.
    (Id. at p. 223.) We further observed that in contrast to the
    unreliable probation report, a preliminary hearing transcript
    on which the sentencing court relied was sufficiently reliable
    “because the procedural protections afforded the defendant
    during a preliminary hearing tend to ensure the reliability of
    such evidence. Those protections include the right to confront
    and cross-examine witnesses and the requirement those
    witnesses testify under oath, coupled with the accuracy
    afforded by the court reporter’s verbatim reporting of the
    proceedings.” (Ibid.) Because there were various safeguards in
    place that rendered the pre-Gallardo procedure reasonably fair
    and reliable, it cannot be said that our “ ‘major’ ” or “primary
    purpose” in announcing the Gallardo rule was “ ‘ “ ‘to overcome
    an aspect of the criminal trial that substantially impairs its
    truth-finding function and so raises serious questions about the
    accuracy of guilty verdicts.’ ” ’ ” (Guerra, supra, 37 Cal.3d at
    pp. 402, 403.)
    Petitioner asserts that reliability and fairness must have
    been core concerns of our decision in Gallardo because, in
    rejecting Justice Chin’s proposed remedy of a remand for a jury
    trial, the Gallardo majority noted that procedural safeguards
    such as cross-examination of witnesses would not be in place if
    we were to empanel a jury for the purpose of reviewing the
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    record of conviction from the prior case. (Citing In re Haden,
    supra, 49 Cal.App.5th at p. 1103 (conc. opn. of Tucher, J.),
    review granted [the Gallardo court’s “response to [Justice
    Chin’s dissent] reveals the breadth of interests at stake].) 9 We
    do not believe the Gallardo majority’s rejection of the remedy
    proposed by Justice Chin can bear the weight petitioner places
    upon it.
    Notably, neither the Gallardo majority nor Justice Chin
    expressed any concern that the sentencing court’s factfinding
    about the defendant’s knife use substantially impaired the
    truth-finding function as compared to what a jury in the prior
    proceeding might have found.10 Instead, we stated in Gallardo
    9
    Amicus curiae Office of State Public Defender makes a
    similar argument: “[I]f this Court believed the only issue was
    the Sixth Amendment limit on judicial factfinding, it would
    have embraced the dissent’s proposed remedy and shifted
    factfinding to a sentencing jury.”
    10
    “[J]udicial factfinding is not inherently unreliable or less
    reliable than jury factfinding.” (Milton, supra, 42 Cal.App.5th
    at p. 998.) “[A]lthough . . . cases recognize[] that juries may
    serve to prevent arbitrariness and repression, they d[o] not
    rest on any assumption that nonjury trials are more likely
    than jury trials to be . . . unreliable.” (Johnson, supra, 3 Cal.3d
    at p. 412.) “[F]or every argument why juries are more accurate
    factfinders [than judges], there is another why they are less
    accurate.” (Schriro, 
    supra,
     542 U.S. at p. 356; see id. at p. 357
    [“it is hard to see how a trial in which a judge finds only
    aggravating factors could be” “impermissibly inaccurate”]; In re
    Consiglio (2005) 
    128 Cal.App.4th 511
    , 515 [same].) Even the
    majority of the Court of Appeal in In re Brown, which held
    Gallardo is retroactive,           acknowledged that a court’s
    factfinding regarding the conduct underlying a prior conviction
    would not be more reliable than that of a jury: “We recognize
    that the factfinding process might not be any less reliable if
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    that we were going to “reconsider McGee” because the high
    court’s “further explication” of Sixth Amendment principles in
    Descamps and Mathis informed us that a defendant has the
    right to have a jury determine all facts relating to the nature of
    a prior conviction that are used to impose an increased
    sentence. (Gallardo, supra, 4 Cal.5th at pp. 124, 136.) The
    high court’s post-McGee decisions instructed us that a
    sentencing court was no longer permitted to make certain
    factual findings, even if those findings might have been
    entirely reliable, because a defendant has a Sixth Amendment
    right to have a jury of his peers make those types of findings.
    (See Blakely, 
    supra,
     542 U.S. at pp. 301, 313 [a defendant’s
    right to a jury “ ‘of his equals and [neighbors]’ ” is based on the
    “Framers’ paradigm for criminal justice” — “the common-law
    ideal of limited state power accomplished by strict division of
    authority between judge and jury”].) Thus, the “ ‘major’ ” or
    “primary purpose” of the Gallardo rule (Guerra, supra, 37
    Cal.3d at p. 402) was not to “vindicat[e] a right [that] is
    essential to a reliable determination of whether an accused
    should suffer a penal sanction” (Johnson, supra, 3 Cal.3d at
    p. 411) but to ensure our procedure was consistent with the
    high court’s “further explication” of “Sixth Amendment
    principles” (Gallardo, at pp. 136, 124).
    Petitioner asserts the prior procedure, which allowed
    courts to enhance sentences based on factfinding regarding the
    conduct underlying prior convictions, was “fundamentally
    unfair” and raised reliability concerns because defendants
    conducted by the sentencing judge, and might even be better.”
    (In re Brown, supra, 45 Cal.App.5th at pp. 721–722.)
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    lacked the incentive to contest facts regarding that conduct in
    the prior proceedings. We disagree, both as to petitioner’s case
    and as a general matter. The record here shows that the
    Illinois sentencing court relied on petitioner’s gun use in
    imposing an aggravated sentence on the armed robbery
    conviction. Because gun use could result in a longer sentence,
    petitioner would have had the incentive to contest it at his
    original sentencing and presumably would have done so if
    there were any question whether he used a gun in the
    commission of either robbery. More to the point, California
    defendants prior to Gallardo, in challenging whether the
    prosecution had proven a fact about a prior conviction beyond a
    reasonable doubt, could raise their lack of incentive to
    challenge that fact during the original proceedings, in the
    course of arguing the beyond-a-reasonable-doubt standard was
    not satisfied. (See People v. Smith (1988) 
    206 Cal.App.3d 340
    ,
    346 [“Smith was not barred from presenting evidence the
    burglaries were not residential; his motive to do so was strong,
    particularly since his trial occurred pre-Alfaro”]; People v.
    Johnson (1989) 
    208 Cal.App.3d 19
    , 24 [“Since appellant’s 1983
    convictions occurred after section 667 was enacted, the
    residential allegations in the information were neither
    irrelevant nor superfluous. Given the consequences of section
    667, appellant had ample reason to contest the residential
    nature of the burglary charged when he pled guilty”]; People v.
    Skeirik (1991) 
    229 Cal.App.3d 444
    , 464 [“Both defendant and
    the state had an important incentive to contest the designation
    of his first degree conviction” as having been related to a
    deadly weapon, given statute that, at the time of conviction,
    forbade probation for defendant “ ‘who at the time of the
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    perpetration of said crime . . . was himself armed with a deadly
    weapon’ ”].)
    We are also mindful that courts prior to Gallardo were
    attempting to navigate a different fairness concern: the
    concern that courts should treat conduct underlying in-state
    and out-of-state offenses identically for purposes of our state’s
    recidivist statutes. The factfinding procedures in place prior to
    Gallardo — though ultimately inconsistent with the Sixth
    Amendment principles upon which our decision in Gallardo
    rested — were intended, in part, to avoid the unfairness of
    treating defendants with essentially identical underlying
    conduct very differently under California’s recidivist
    sentencing laws. Given minor variations in the way different
    jurisdictions define criminal offenses — as in this case11 — our
    pre-Gallardo decisions reflected a concern that a strictly
    elements-based approach to assessing out-of-state prior
    convictions could unfairly treat defendants with essentially
    identical underlying conduct very differently simply because of
    the happenstance of where they committed their crimes. Our
    pre-Gallardo cases approved a different approach in part to
    ameliorate that fairness concern. Our cases had adopted the
    pre-Gallardo approach, in other words, in part to help ensure
    11
    The definitions of California robbery and Illinois robbery
    are very similar. (See 720 Ill. Comp. Stat. Ann. 5/18-1 [“A
    person commits robbery when he or she knowingly takes
    property . . . from the person or presence of another by the use
    of force or by threatening the imminent use of force”]; § 211
    [“Robbery is the felonious taking of personal property in the
    possession of another, from his person or immediate presence,
    and against his will, accomplished by means of force or fear”].)
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    that “[a] defendant whose prior conviction was suffered in
    another jurisdiction” would be “subject to the same
    punishment as a person previously convicted of an offense
    involving the same conduct in California.” (People v. Myers
    (1993) 
    5 Cal.4th 1193
    , 1201.)12
    Gallardo, of course, concluded the Constitution requires
    a different approach. But we are not, in sum, persuaded that
    the “ ‘major’ ” or “primary purpose” of the Gallardo rule was
    “ ‘ “ ‘to overcome an aspect of the criminal trial that
    substantially impairs its truth-finding function and so raises
    serious questions about the accuracy of guilty verdicts.’ ” ’ ”
    (Guerra, supra, 37 Cal.3d at pp. 402, 403.) Nor are we
    persuaded that our decision invalidated prior procedures that
    were fundamentally unfair or seriously undermined the
    accuracy or reliability of criminal sentencing procedures. (See
    Linkletter, 
    supra,
     381 U.S. at p. 639 & fn. 20.) As noted, the
    first Johnson factor is critical in determining retroactivity, and
    the second factor of law enforcement’s reliance on the old rule,
    and the third factor of the burden on the administration of
    justice “are of significant relevance only when the question of
    12
    The point here is not, as Justice Groban suggests (dis.
    opn. of Groban, J., post, at p. 13), that the two defendants
    convicted of robbery, one in Illinois and one in California,
    necessarily engaged in identical conduct simply because they
    were both convicted of robbery.       The point is that two
    defendants who actually did commit identical conduct would
    necessarily be treated differently under our state’s recidivist
    statutes unless courts were, pre-Gallardo, permitted to look
    beyond the elements of each state’s definition of robbery when
    determining whether each defendant’s offense qualified as a
    strike.
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    retroactivity is a close one after the purpose of the new rule is
    considered.” (Johnson, supra, 3 Cal.3d at p. 410.) We conclude
    the first Johnson factor’s effect on the issue of retroactivity is
    determinative and that we need not discuss whether the
    second and third Johnson factors also weigh against applying
    Gallardo retroactively.
    DISPOSITION
    In light of all the pertinent considerations, we conclude
    the rule we announced in Gallardo is a new procedural rule
    and that it is not retroactive to cases on collateral review under
    both state and federal tests for retroactivity. Thus, it does not
    apply to petitioner’s final judgment. Accordingly, we affirm
    the decision of the Court of Appeal denying the petition for writ
    of habeas corpus. 13
    13
    Petitioner argues that “alternatively,” his sentence is
    unauthorized and may be corrected at any time because it
    violated “the Sixth Amendment principles discussed in
    Gallardo.” (Citing, e.g., United States v. Johnson (1982) 
    457 U.S. 537
    , 550; People v. Scott (1994) 
    9 Cal.4th 331
    , 354–355.)
    The argument is circular. If we conclude the Gallardo rule is
    retroactive, petitioner’s sentence was unlawful at the time of
    sentencing and is unauthorized. If the Gallardo rule is not
    retroactive, his sentence was lawful and is authorized. (See In
    re Brown, supra, 45 Cal.App.5th at p. 731 (dis. opn. of
    Menetrez, J.), review granted [“We cannot apply Gallardo
    retroactively to render the sentence legally unauthorized and
    then infer from that lack of legal authorization that Gallardo
    must be retroactive”], italics omitted & added.) We also reject
    petitioner’s argument that his sentence was unauthorized by
    Apprendi. For the reasons we have explained, Apprendi and
    other United States Supreme Court cases that existed when
    petitioner’s conviction became final did not dictate our decision
    in Gallardo. (See pt. III B, ante.)
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    JENKINS, J.
    We Concur:
    CANTIL-SAKAUYE, C. J.
    CORRIGAN, J.
    KRUGER, J.
    GUERRERO, J.
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    S259954
    Dissenting Opinion by Justice Liu
    I join the dissenting opinion of Justice Groban. As he
    explains (dis. opn. of Groban, J., post, at pp. 2‒4), our decision
    in People v. Gallardo (2017) 
    4 Cal.5th 120
     (Gallardo) operates
    retroactively because it substantively altered what constitutes
    “ha[ving] been convicted of a serious felony” and thereby
    modified what counts as a “strike” under the “Three Strikes”
    sentencing law.        (Pen. Code, § 667, subd. (a)(1); all
    undesignated statutory references are to this Code.) Moreover,
    our decision in People v. Johnson (1970) 
    3 Cal.3d 404
     furnishes
    an independent basis for the retroactivity of the Gallardo rule
    because the purpose of the rule is to promote the reliability of
    factual determinations concerning prior convictions. (Dis. opn.
    of Groban, J., post, at pp. 4‒14.)       I write separately to
    underscore how the characterization of Gallardo in today’s
    opinion may reopen serious questions as to the
    constitutionality of the Three Strikes law.
    Under the Three Strikes law, “[a] person convicted of a
    serious felony who previously has been convicted of a serious
    felony in this state or of any offense committed in another
    jurisdiction that includes all of the elements of any serious
    felony” shall receive an enhanced sentence.               (§ 667,
    subd. (a)(1).) The term “serious felony” is defined by reference
    to section 1192.7, subdivision (c), which lists 42 types of
    criminal activity that qualify as serious felonies.
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    Our decision in Gallardo marked an important shift in
    how this sentencing enhancement statute is to be applied.
    Before Gallardo, a defendant was subject to an enhanced
    sentence wherever the defendant had a prior conviction and
    the record of that conviction revealed that the “conduct [which]
    likely (or ‘realistically’) supported the defendant’s [prior]
    conviction” fell within the statutory definition of a serious
    felony. (Gallardo, supra, 4 Cal.5th at p. 124.) But under the
    new standard set out in Gallardo, that is not enough. After
    Gallardo, a defendant stands “convicted of a serious felony”
    within the meaning of section 667, subdivision (a)(1) only if the
    “facts that were necessarily found [by the trier of fact] in the
    course of entering the conviction” establish that the defendant
    engaged in conduct satisfying the serious felony definition.
    (Gallardo, at p. 134.) Under the pre-Gallardo regime, such a
    showing would have been sufficient, but it would not have been
    necessary.    Accordingly, I understand Gallardo to have
    narrowed who counts as having been “convicted of a serious
    felony” under the Three Strikes law. (§ 667, subd. (a)(1).)
    This case requires us to decide whether Gallardo’s
    holding applies retroactively. The high court has held that a
    new rule must be applied retroactively where the rule is
    “substantive” rather than procedural (see Teague v. Lane
    (1989) 
    489 U.S. 288
    , 311) and that “[a] rule is substantive
    rather than procedural if it alters the range of conduct or the
    class of persons that the law punishes” (Schriro v. Summerlin
    (2004) 
    542 U.S. 348
    , 353). “This includes decisions that narrow
    the scope of a criminal statute by interpreting its terms.” (Id.
    at p. 351.)
    Gallardo did not change the range of conduct made
    subject to additional punishment under the Three Strikes law;
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    the definition of “serious felony” was left untouched. But
    Gallardo did change the class of persons who can be so
    punished; our decision narrowed the scope of the sentencing
    enhancement statute by interpreting its terms. Like Justice
    Groban, I would hold that Gallardo announced a substantive
    rule that must be given retroactive effect under Teague.
    Today’s opinion holds that Gallardo’s rule is merely
    procedural and “did not remove the defendant or any group of
    people from the reach of applicable sentencing laws.” (Maj.
    opn., ante, at p. 23.) “Rather,” this court says, “the Gallardo
    rule ‘regulate[d] the evidence that the court could consider’ in
    making prior conviction determinations [citation] by
    precluding courts from looking at anything other than ‘those
    facts that were established by virtue of the [prior] conviction
    itself — that is, facts the jury was necessarily required to find
    to render a guilty verdict, or that the defendant admitted as
    the factual basis for a guilty plea.’ ” (Id. at pp. 21–22.) But
    such a reading of Gallardo is at odds with the concerns that
    motivated our opinion.
    In Apprendi v. New Jersey (2000) 
    530 U.S. 466
    (Apprendi), the high court held that under the Sixth
    Amendment, “any fact that increases the penalty for a crime
    beyond the prescribed statutory maximum, other than the fact
    of a prior conviction, must be submitted to a jury, and proved
    beyond a reasonable doubt.” (Apprendi, at p. 490.) Apprendi
    preserved an exception for sentencing enhancements based
    solely on the fact of a prior conviction — the Almendarez-
    Torres exception — on the ground that “there is a vast
    difference between accepting the validity of a prior judgment of
    conviction entered in a proceeding in which the defendant had
    the right to a jury trial and the right to require the prosecutor
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    to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and allowing the
    judge to find the required fact under a lesser standard of
    proof.” (Id. at p. 496; see Almendarez-Torres v. United States
    (1998) 
    523 U.S. 224
    , 230, 244 (Almendarez-Torres).)
    Both before and after Gallardo, the determination of
    whether a defendant’s prior conviction counts as a “convict[ion]
    of a serious felony” (§ 667, subd. (a)(1)) has been a
    determination to be made by a judge, not by a jury. For this
    arrangement to comply with Apprendi, it must fall within the
    limited Almendarez-Torres exception.
    Gallardo was animated by our recognition that there are
    serious questions as to whether our previous Three Strikes
    jurisprudence can be reconciled with Apprendi in light of the
    high court’s discussions of that case in Descamps v. United
    States (2013) 
    570 U.S. 254
     (Descamps) and Mathis v. United
    States (2016) 
    579 U.S. 500
     (Mathis). Descamps and Mathis
    concerned the application of a federal sentencing enhancement
    statute, the Armed Career Criminal Act of 1984 (ACCA). (
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    , subd. (e).) Although we acknowledged that both
    cases “were decided on statutory, rather than constitutional
    grounds,” we explained that “the high court’s interpretation of
    the relevant federal statute was informed by an understanding
    of . . . Sixth Amendment principles, and the court’s explication
    of those principles was both considered and unequivocal: The
    jury trial right is violated when a court adds extra punishment
    based on factfinding that goes ‘beyond merely identifying a
    prior conviction’ by ‘tr[ying] to discern what a trial showed, or
    a plea proceeding revealed, about the defendant’s underlying
    conduct.’ ” (Gallardo, supra, 4 Cal.5th at pp. 134, 135, quoting
    Descamps, supra, 570 U.S. at p. 269.)
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    Descamps and Mathis, we said, “are persuasive evidence
    that the Almendarez-Torres exception [to Apprendi] is
    narrower” than this court had previously supposed. (Gallardo,
    supra, 4 Cal.5th at p. 132.) Those decisions suggest that our
    pre-Gallardo case law could not be reconciled with the
    Almendarez-Torres exception because the statutory scheme as
    previously interpreted made a judge the trier of fact as to not
    merely “the fact of a prior conviction” but the nature of the
    conduct underlying a prior conviction. (Gallardo, at p. 130,
    quoting Apprendi, supra, 530 U.S. at p. 490.) We understood
    the high court to have interpreted the ACCA in Descamps and
    Mathis in a manner that avoids this potential Apprendi
    problem (Gallardo, at p. 133), and we construed the Three
    Strikes law to avoid that same problem (Gallardo, at p. 135
    [“We are persuaded, and we will follow the [high] court’s
    guidance.”]).
    In other words, our decision in Gallardo was explicitly
    intended to be a state law analog to Descamps and Mathis.
    With this in mind, it is notable that the federal Courts of
    Appeals for the Sixth, Seventh, and Ninth Circuits have each
    concluded that the rules of Descamps and Mathis are
    substantive and must therefore be applied retroactively under
    Teague. (See Allen v. Ives (9th Cir. 2020) 
    950 F.3d 1184
    , 1192
    [“To the extent that Mathis and Descamps may be thought to
    have announced a new rule, we have no trouble concluding
    that the rule is one of substance rather than procedure. . . .
    We have previously recognized that decisions that alter the
    substantive reach of a federal statute apply retroactively”];
    Holt v. United States (7th Cir. 2016) 
    843 F.3d 720
    , 722 [“While
    Holt’s appeal was pending we held that the version of the
    Illinois burglary statute under which he had been convicted is
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    indeed not a ‘violent felony’ because it does not satisfy the
    definition of ‘burglary’ used in Mathis v. United States
    [citation] for indivisible statutes. . . . [S]ubstantive decisions
    such as Mathis presumptively apply retroactively on collateral
    review.”]; Hill v. Masters (6th Cir. 2016) 
    836 F.3d 591
    , 595–596
    [“The Government concedes that, after Descamps . . .
    Maryland’s second-degree assault statute no longer constitutes
    a crime of violence for the purpose of the career-offender
    enhancement. [Citation.] Thus, were Hill to be sentenced
    today, he would not qualify as a career offender.            The
    Government further concedes that Descamps and Royal apply
    retroactively”].) Today’s decision makes this court an outlier.
    The court suggests these cases are inapposite because,
    unlike the federal statute at issue in Descamps and Mathis, the
    Three Strikes law allows courts to look beyond the elements of
    an offense and consider “the conduct underlying the offense.”
    (Maj. opn., ante, at p. 25, fn. 7.) It is true that, under Gallardo,
    a judge charged with determining whether a defendant is a
    person “previously convicted of a serious felony” for the
    purposes of section 667, subdivision (a)(1) makes this
    determination not by reference to the elements of the offense
    for which the conviction was entered, but rather by reference to
    the facts necessarily found by the trier of fact in entering the
    conviction. But that does not mean the Three Strikes law
    allows courts to find facts concerning the conduct underlying
    the offense. Under Gallardo, judges who administer the Three
    Strikes law are not charged with deciding questions about a
    defendant’s actual conduct, but only with determining what a
    jury necessarily found in entering a verdict of conviction. That
    is not a question about what the defendant did; it is a question
    about what a jury did (or, in the case of a bench trial or guilty
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    plea, what a court did). We made clear in Gallardo that, were
    we to construe our statutory scheme to allow judges to “go[]
    ‘beyond merely identifying a prior conviction’ by ‘tr[ying] to
    discern what a trial showed, or a plea proceeding revealed,
    about the defendant’s underlying conduct,’ ” this would likely
    violate the requirements of the Sixth Amendment. (Gallardo,
    supra, 4 Cal.5th at p. 135, quoting Descamps, supra, 570 U.S.
    at p. 269.)
    I fear that the court’s reading of Gallardo today may
    resurrect the very Apprendi problem that Gallardo sought to
    avoid in construing the Three Strikes law. Before Gallardo, we
    had interpreted the scheme to allow judges to resolve factual
    questions concerning the nature of the conduct underlying
    prior convictions. We might have addressed this problem by
    having trial courts empanel a new jury to review the record of
    conviction and make its own judgment about the nature of the
    conduct on which a prior conviction was based. That was the
    approach suggested by Justice Chin in his dissent from
    Gallardo. (Gallardo, supra, 4 Cal.5th at pp. 140–144 (dis. opn.
    of Chin, J.).) Had we taken that approach, the question of
    what counts as having been “convicted of a serious felony”
    (§ 667, subd. (a)(1)) would have been unchanged; it still would
    turn on the nature of the conduct underlying the conviction.
    The change that would have been worked by Justice Chin’s
    proposed approach is that a jury, not a judge, would decide
    whether the conduct underlying the conviction constituted a
    serious felony. But that was not the path we chose. Instead,
    we clarified what counts as having been “convicted of a serious
    felony,” such that a judge may sit as a trier of fact only as to
    whether the facts necessarily found in the course of entering
    the prior conviction satisfy the statutory definition of “serious
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    felony,” and not as to any details of the underlying conduct.
    We did not reallocate any decisionmaking authority from the
    judge to a jury; we clarified the question that the sentencing
    judge is tasked with deciding.
    In sum, I cannot agree that the only change worked by
    Gallardo was the promulgation of a new rule of evidence for
    determining the nature of the conduct underlying a prior
    conviction. That characterization of Gallardo misapprehends
    its significance in reconciling the Three Strikes law with
    Apprendi in light of Descamps and Mathis. For this reason,
    and for the reasons set forth by Justice Groban, I respectfully
    dissent.
    LIU, J.
    I Concur:
    GROBAN, J.
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    Dissenting Opinion by Justice Groban
    William Milton is currently serving an indeterminate 25-
    years-to-life sentence because he purportedly used a gun in
    committing two robberies in Illinois over 10 years before he
    was convicted of a California robbery. Without a finding that
    he previously used a firearm in committing the Illinois
    robberies, Milton would have received a maximum prison term
    of five years. The allegation that he personally used a gun in
    the Illinois robberies was never pleaded, presented to a jury,
    nor admitted by Milton as part of a plea. Nonetheless, the
    California sentencing court relied on handwritten notes and
    statements from the Illinois sentencing judge “to determine
    what really happened” during Milton’s Illinois crimes and
    impose his “Three Strikes” sentence. The Attorney General,
    Milton, the majority, and I agree that this was error under our
    subsequent decision in People v. Gallardo (2017) 
    4 Cal.5th 120
    (Gallardo). (See In re Milton (2019) 
    42 Cal.App.5th 977
    , 999
    (Milton).) Nonetheless, the majority concludes that Milton has
    no recourse — he will continue to serve a 25-years-to-life
    sentence based upon a factual allegation that was never
    pleaded, found true by a jury, nor admitted as part of a plea —
    because the rule effectuated by Gallardo is “procedural,” and
    “reliability and fairness [were not] core concerns of our
    decision . . . .” (Maj. opn., ante, at pp. 23, 32.) I do not agree
    that the rule set forth in Gallardo, which could mean the
    difference between a life in prison or a short determinate term
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    for some petitioners, constitutes a mere procedural change in
    the law. As explained below, in my view, Gallardo should be
    given retroactive effect because it substantively changed the
    class of persons punishable under the Three Strikes law. (See
    Welch v. United States (2016) 
    578 U.S. 120
    , 129 (Welch).)
    Moreover, even if Gallardo’s rule is deemed procedural, I
    would still apply it retroactively because its core purpose is to
    enhance the reliability of the factfinding process for prior
    conviction determinations. (See People v. Johnson (1970)
    
    3 Cal.3d 404
    , 411 (Johnson).)
    1. GALLARDO ANNOUNCED A NEW SUBSTANTIVE RULE
    As the majority explains, “a rule is substantive rather
    than procedural where it ‘ “alters the range of conduct or the
    class of persons that the law punishes.” ’ ” (Maj. opn., ante, at
    p. 18.) Whereas a procedural rule “ ‘ “regulate[s] only the
    manner of determining the defendant’s culpability.” ’ ” (Id. at
    p. 19.) The majority concludes the rule announced in Gallardo
    falls into the procedural category because it merely
    “ ‘regulate[d] the evidence that the court could consider’ in
    making prior conviction determinations.” (Id. at p. 21.) From
    the majority’s perspective, Gallardo “did not remove the
    defendant or any group of people from the reach of applicable
    sentencing laws, and we did not conclude that the conduct
    underlying [Sulma Marilyn Gallardo’s] prior conviction, i.e.,
    whether she used a knife, was no longer relevant.” (Id. at
    p. 22.)
    I disagree. Sure, the range of conduct that meets the
    relevant statutory definition of “serious felony” was unchanged
    by Gallardo. Before and after Gallardo, an out-of-state felony
    has qualified as a “serious felony” under California law if the
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    defendant personally used a firearm or a dangerous or deadly
    weapon in committing the offense. (Pen. Code, § 1192.7, subd.
    (c)(8), (23).) Thus, the majority rightly observes that Gallardo
    “did not [hold] that the conduct underlying [the defendant’s]
    prior conviction, i.e., whether [Gallardo] used a knife, was no
    longer relevant.”     (Maj. opn., ante, at p. 22.)     But the
    prosecutor’s task in the Three Strikes context is not simply to
    prove that the defendant merely committed a felony that the
    statutory scheme defines as serious or violent; the prosecutor
    must prove that the defendant was convicted of such a felony
    (or felonies). (See Pen. Code, §§ 1170.12, subd. (a), 667,
    subds. (b)–(j); see also maj. opn., ante, at p. 6.) Because
    Gallardo altered what can serve as the basis for a prior
    conviction finding, it substantively redefined the class of
    persons eligible for punishment under the Three Strikes law.
    (See In re Martinez (2017) 
    3 Cal.5th 1216
    , 1222.)
    More specifically, under the old regime, a defendant
    could be found to have suffered a prior serious felony
    conviction wherever the record revealed that, “realistically,”
    the conduct that supported the conviction satisfied the
    definition. (People v. McGee (2006) 
    38 Cal.4th 682
    , 706.) But
    now, because of Gallardo, a defendant can stand convicted of a
    serious felony within the meaning of the statute only if it can
    be shown that the “facts that were necessarily found in the
    course of entering the conviction” satisfy the serious felony
    definition. (Gallardo, supra, 4 Cal.5th at p. 134; see also id. at
    p. 136 [“a court considering whether to impose an increased
    sentence based on a prior qualifying conviction may not
    determine the ‘nature or basis’ of the prior conviction based on
    its independent conclusions about what facts or conduct
    ‘realistically’ supported the conviction”]; id. at p. 138 [“While a
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    trial court can determine the fact of a prior conviction without
    infringing on the defendant’s Sixth Amendment rights, it
    cannot determine disputed facts about what conduct likely
    gave rise to the conviction”].) Where a defendant’s conviction
    does not establish the facts necessary to render a prior offense
    a serious felony, a judge can no longer impose a Three Strikes
    sentence. In other words, Gallardo narrowed the universe of
    people eligible for Three Strikes treatment to those whose
    juries necessarily found true (or the defendant necessarily
    admitted as part of a guilty plea) the strike qualifying facts.
    So understood, Gallardo did not simply alter the procedures
    used, or evidence properly considered, when determining
    whether an individual suffered a prior strike conviction, it
    substantively changed the punishable class. (See Welch,
    supra, 578 U.S. at p. 129; id. at p. 130 [“Johnson [v. United
    States (2015) 
    576 U.S. 591
    ] affected the reach of the underlying
    statute rather than the judicial procedures by which the
    statute is applied. Johnson is thus a substantive decision and
    so has retroactive effect . . . in cases on collateral review”
    (italics added)]; see also People v. Trujeque (2015) 
    61 Cal.4th 227
    , 251 [“Using the high court’s rationale, it seems fair to
    characterize Breed’s [Breed v. Jones (1975) 
    421 U.S. 519
    , 531]
    double jeopardy rule as more substantive than procedural
    because without the rule’s retroactive application, a defendant
    would otherwise ‘face[] a punishment that the law cannot
    impose upon him’ ”].)     I would therefore apply Gallardo
    retroactively to cases final on appeal.
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    2. GALLARDO’S PRIMARY PURPOSE IS TO PROMOTE
    RELIABLE DETERMINATIONS OF GUILT OR INNOCENCE
    Even if I were to accept the majority’s view that Gallardo
    merely set forth a new procedural rule (maj. opn., ante, pp. 20–
    23), I would still apply it retroactively to final convictions
    under the state balancing test for the retroactive application of
    new rules. (See Johnson, supra, 
    3 Cal.3d 404
    .) As the
    majority explains, under our state test, if the judicial decision
    establishes a new rule, courts determine whether to apply the
    new rule based on three considerations — the purpose of the
    new rule, the reliance placed on the old rule, and the effect
    retroactive application would have on the administration of
    justice. (Id. at p. 410; maj. opn., ante, at pp. 25–26.) “The first
    factor — the purpose of the new rule — is the critical factor in
    determining retroactivity.” (Maj. opn., ante, at p. 26.) State
    courts are “free to give greater retroactive impact to a decision
    than the federal courts choose to give.” (Johnson, at p. 415.)
    Pursuant to Johnson, “[f]ully retroactive decisions are seen as
    vindicating a right which is essential to a reliable
    determination of whether an accused should suffer a penal
    sanction.” (Id. at p. 411; see maj. opn., ante, at p. 27 [quoting
    Johnson on this point].) I agree with petitioner that “[t]he
    fundamental purpose of Gallardo is to promote fair and
    reliable determinations of the petitioner’s guilt or innocence on
    the allegation that he suffered a prior conviction qualifying as
    a strike under California law.”
    In rejecting petitioner’s argument, the majority reasons
    that a pre-Gallardo sentencing court’s factfinding, beyond a
    reasonable doubt, based on the prior record of conviction was
    “reasonably fair and reliable.” (Maj. opn., ante, at p. 32; see 
    id.
    at pp. 31–35.) I disagree. The majority overlooks the fact that,
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    by limiting a sentencing court to simply “identifying those facts
    that were established by virtue of the conviction itself,”
    Gallardo cabined a trial court’s authority in a way that was
    primarily meant to enhance the reliability of prior serious
    felony determinations. (Gallardo, supra, 4 Cal.5th at p. 136.)
    The sentencing judge is no longer permitted to fact find —
    judges may not “ ‘[try] to discern what a trial showed, or a plea
    proceeding revealed, about the defendant’s underlying
    conduct’ ” (Id. at p. 135, quoting Descamps v. United States
    (2013) 
    570 U.S. 254
    , 269 (Descamps).) Instead, sentencing
    courts may now only identify those facts that were already
    found in “the deliberate and considered way the Constitution
    guarantees.” (Descamps, at p. 273.)
    In fact, the manner in which Milton was sentenced here
    highlights the inherent unreliability of a trial court’s pre-
    Gallardo prior conviction determinations — and how Gallardo
    remedied this unreliability. As the majority explains, in 1987,
    Milton was convicted of two robberies in Illinois: one armed
    robbery (convicted by jury) and one simple robbery (convicted
    by plea). The certified record from the Illinois case contained
    some handwritten notes on what appears to be a charging
    document. According to the notes, in the simple robbery,
    petitioner accosted the victim, demanded money, and took
    $338. The notes also indicated that petitioner “had a gun.” At
    sentencing, the Illinois court stated that, with respect to the
    plea/simple robbery case, the “stipulated facts” indicated
    petitioner “possessed a handgun.” Later in imposing sentence,
    the Illinois court observed in aggravation that, in both cases,
    petitioner “deliberately held a gun — a loaded gun — upon an
    individual.”
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    In the California case, the prosecutor conceded that
    petitioner did not admit the arming allegation as part of his
    plea to the Illinois simple robbery, but argued that the Illinois
    judge’s handwritten notes (which the prosecutor believed the
    court made at sentencing) and his comments at sentencing
    indicated that petitioner used a gun. Defense counsel argued
    that the original arming allegation was dismissed and that it
    was unclear “who or what stipulated to anything” and where
    the “facts” in the notes came from. In any event, the
    stipulation only stated that petitioner “possessed a gun.” It did
    not show he used a firearm during the commission of the
    robbery, which is necessary to qualify the offense as a serious
    felony.1
    The sentencing judge concluded that the Illinois robbery
    convictions qualified as California serious felonies noting that,
    “I see nothing wrong with going beyond the court record to
    determine what really happened. And in doing so, I am
    satisfied that the defendant used a gun in both robberies.”
    In other words, Milton was sentenced to a Three Strikes
    term because the sentencing judge was personally “satisf[ied],”
    based on details presented in notes and statements that were
    not   necessary     to     Milton’s      prior    underlying   guilt
    1
    Cf. People v. Chambers (1972) 
    7 Cal. 3d 666
    , 672
    (discussing the firearm use enhancement under Pen. Code,
    § 12022.5 and explaining that “[b]y employing the term ‘uses’
    instead of ‘while armed’ the Legislature requires something
    more than merely being armed”).
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    determinations, that he used a gun.2 This was not a reliable
    basis upon which to sentence Milton to an indeterminate 25-
    years-to-life term.
    Now look at the impact Gallardo would have if Milton
    were sentenced today; the sentencing court would be limited to
    simply identifying those “facts that were necessarily found in
    the course of entering [Milton’s prior] conviction[s].” (Gallardo,
    supra, 4 Cal.5th at p. 134.) Thus, if Milton were sentenced
    today, the court would not be able to consider the purported
    facts in the Illinois judge’s handwritten notes or the judge’s
    2
    Here, the California sentencing court essentially
    attached an uncharged personal firearm use enhancement to
    petitioner’s prior Illinois robberies to render them strikes.
    Such action arguably undermined additional case law from our
    court and the high court separate and apart from Gallardo.
    (See, e.g., Apprendi v. New Jersey (2000) 
    530 U.S. 466
    , 476
    [“ ‘under the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment and
    the notice and jury trial guarantees of the Sixth Amendment,
    any fact . . . that increases the maximum penalty for a crime
    must be charged in an indictment, submitted to a jury, and
    proven beyond a reasonable doubt’ ”]; People v. Anderson
    (2020) 
    9 Cal.5th 946
    , 953 [while citing our case law strictly
    interpreting statutory pleading and proof requirements, we
    noted that those requirements derive from “a bedrock principle
    of due process,” one that also applies to sentence
    enhancements since a defendant has the “ ‘right to fair notice
    of the specific sentence enhancement allegations that will be
    invoked to increase punishment for his crimes’ ”].)
    Furthermore, Milton makes the persuasive argument that
    such an allowance unfairly deprived him of the benefit of his
    plea bargain. In his simple robbery case in Illinois, an arming
    allegation was dismissed in exchange for his guilty plea, but
    the California court punished him as though he had pleaded
    guilty to a greater offense.
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    statements at sentencing, which were of “questionable
    reliability” (Milton, supra, 42 Cal.App.5th at p. 995) and not
    “necessarily found in the course of entering [his] conviction[s]”
    (Gallardo, at p. 134). Gallardo’s limitation thereby eliminates
    the risk that an individual like Milton will be sentenced to a
    Three Strikes term on an unreliable basis.
    The pre-Gallardo risks to reliability are elucidated by the
    high court’s rationale for limiting a sentencing court to
    comparing elements between a prior crime of conviction and
    the relevant definition of a predicate offense for purposes of an
    enhanced sentence under the Armed Career Criminal Act.
    (See Descamps, supra, 570 U.S. at p. 257; Mathis v. United
    States (2016) 
    579 U.S. 500
     (Mathis).) “The Armed Career
    Criminal Act (ACCA or Act), 
    18 U.S.C. § 924
    (e), increases the
    sentences of certain federal defendants who have three prior
    convictions ‘for a violent felony,’ including ‘burglary, arson, or
    extortion.’ To determine whether a past conviction is for one of
    those crimes, courts use what has become known as the
    ‘categorical approach’: They compare the elements of the
    statute forming the basis of the defendant’s conviction with the
    elements of the ‘generic’ crime — i.e., the offense as commonly
    understood.    The prior conviction qualifies as an ACCA
    predicate only if the statute’s elements are the same as, or
    narrower than, those of the generic offense.” (Descamps, at
    p. 257.)
    In Descamps, in explaining the rationale for its elements-
    based approach, the high court observed that the meaning of
    records from prior convictions “will often be uncertain” as to
    nonelements of an offense because “[a] defendant, after all,
    often has little incentive to contest facts that are not elements
    of the charged offense — and may have good reason not to.”
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    (Descamps, supra, 570 U.S. at p. 270.)          The high court
    reiterated this same logic in Mathis, supra, 579 U.S. at page
    512, explaining that “[s]tatements of ‘non-elemental fact’ in the
    records of prior convictions are prone to error precisely because
    their proof is unnecessary. [Citation.] At trial, and still more
    at plea hearings, a defendant may have no incentive to contest
    what does not matter under the law; to the contrary, he ‘may
    have good reason not to’ — or even be precluded from doing so
    by the court. [Citation.] When that is true, a prosecutor’s or
    judge’s mistake as to means, reflected in the record, is likely to
    go uncorrected. [Citation.] Such inaccuracies should not come
    back to haunt the defendant many years down the road by
    triggering a lengthy mandatory sentence.” (Fn. omitted; see
    also Sessions v. Dimaya (2018) __ U.S. __ [
    138 S.Ct. 1204
    ,
    1218] (plur. opn.) [“This Court has often described the
    daunting difficulties of accurately ‘reconstruct[ing],’ often
    many years later, ‘the conduct underlying [a] conviction’ ”].)
    We expressed a desire to remedy similar concerns in
    adopting Gallardo’s rule. In concluding that the sentencing
    court improperly relied on the preliminary hearing transcript
    from Gallardo’s prior plea proceedings to conclude that she
    used a knife during her prior assault offense, we observed, “A
    sentencing court reviewing that preliminary transcript has no
    way of knowing whether a jury would have credited the
    victim’s testimony had the case gone to trial. And at least in
    the absence of any pertinent admissions, the sentencing court
    can only guess at whether, by pleading guilty to a violation of
    Penal Code section 245, subdivision (a)(1), defendant was also
    acknowledging the truth of the testimony indicating that she
    had committed the assault with a knife.” (Gallardo, supra,
    4 Cal.5th at p. 137, italics added.) Gallardo thus remanded
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    the matter “to permit the People to demonstrate to the trial
    court, based on the record of the prior plea proceedings, that
    defendant’s guilty plea encompassed a relevant admission
    about the nature of her crime.” (Id. at p. 139.)
    By limiting the sentencing judge to “identifying those
    facts that were established by virtue of the conviction itself”
    (Gallardo, supra, 4 Cal.5th at p. 136), Gallardo prohibits
    guesswork and reliance on inaccurate or incomplete records,
    such as that which occurred here. Gallardo thus necessarily
    eliminated the risk that an individual will be sentenced to a
    Three Strikes term on an unreliable basis. Stated differently,
    Gallardo’s “primary purpose” is “to promote reliable
    determinations of guilt or innocence.” (People v. Guerra (1984)
    
    37 Cal.3d 385
    , 402.) Gallardo should therefore be applied
    retroactively on collateral review under Johnson.
    In rejecting      the notion that Gallardo’s “ ‘primary
    purpose’ ” was to promote reliability, the majority underscores,
    inter alia, that a pre-Gallardo sentencing court was required to
    apply a beyond a reasonable doubt standard of proof to prior
    serious felony determinations and was limited to reviewing the
    record of the prior conviction. (Maj., opn., ante, at pp. 32–37.)
    But the majority fails to account for the fact that, before
    Gallardo, a sentencing judge could look to facts that were not
    “established by virtue of the conviction itself.” (Gallardo,
    supra, 4 Cal.5th at p. 136.) These unestablished facts, which
    were not necessary to the conviction, were “prone to error
    precisely because their proof [was] unnecessary” (Mathis,
    supra, 579 U.S. at p. 512). As such, any determination based
    on these extraneous facts would have been unreliable
    irrespective of the standard of proof they were used to satisfy.
    In this way, it simply does not matter that pre-Gallardo courts
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    were utilizing a beyond a reasonable doubt standard. What
    matters is that, in order to reach this conclusion, they were
    relying on information of “questionable reliability” (Milton,
    supra, 42 Cal.App.5th at p. 995) that they are not permitted to
    rely on after Gallardo.
    Furthermore, the majority rejects Milton’s claim that the
    pre-Gallardo procedure “raised reliability concerns because
    defendants lacked the incentive to contest facts regarding
    [conduct not critical to their convictions] in the prior
    proceedings.” (Maj. opn., ante, at pp. 34–35.) The majority
    observes that Milton had incentive to contest his gun use
    because the Illinois sentencing judge relied on it to impose an
    aggravated sentence. (Id. at p. 35.) But even if Milton’s
    potential incentive to challenge his gun use in Illinois lends
    reliability to the sentencing judge’s factfinding in Milton’s case
    (a premise I disagree with),3 this circumstance has no bearing
    3
    Even if the circumstances of this individual petitioner
    were relevant to our determination, the majority asks too
    much of him. When Milton was convicted in Illinois, he had no
    apparent notice that a California court might, years later, look
    at the judge’s notes and statements in the record from his
    Illinois sentencing hearing to dramatically enhance his
    sentence for an unrelated offense. I disagree with the premise
    that though Milton was not even charged with committing a
    crime involving personal use of a deadly weapon, he was
    nonetheless fully incentivized to contest personal use of a
    deadly weapon. Under these circumstances, and in light of the
    important reliability concerns at stake, I do not believe the
    onus should be on a petitioner to foresee such circumstances
    and create a fuller record or, years later, require him to “raise
    [his] lack of incentive to challenge that fact during the original
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    on the question of Gallardo’s global impact on the reliability of
    guilt determinations. The issue we must decide here is
    whether Gallardo applies “retroactively to final judgments.”
    (Maj. opn., ante, at p. 2.) As the majority acknowledges, in
    order to answer this question, Johnson principally compels us
    to consider “the purpose of the new rule” in Gallardo. (Id. at
    p. 26, italics added.) The fact that one defendant might have
    had reason to challenge an unproven factual allegation used to
    enhance his sentence tells us nothing about Gallardo’s
    purpose. Moreover, I read the majority’s decision to apply far
    more broadly than to just this petitioner (id. at p. 38 [“In light
    of all the pertinent considerations, we conclude the rule we
    announced in Gallardo is . . . not retroactive to cases on
    collateral review under both state and federal tests for
    retroactivity”]), and therefore unique circumstances that may
    or may not apply to this petitioner should play no part in that
    proceedings, in the course of arguing the beyond-a-reasonable-
    doubt standard [for prior conviction determinations] was not
    satisfied.” (Maj. opn., ante, at p. 35.) The Court of Appeal
    decisions cited by the majority in support of a contrary
    conclusion do not persuade me otherwise. (See id. at p. 35.)
    Notably, in two of the cases, People v. Johnson (1989)
    
    208 Cal.App.3d 19
    , 24 and People v. Skeirik (1991)
    
    229 Cal.App.3d 444
    , 464, the sentence enhancing statutes at
    issue existed at the time the defendant was convicted of the
    prior offense, thereby making the defendant’s incentive to
    contest certain underlying conduct an arguably closer case;
    Milton, by contrast, was convicted of the Illinois robberies
    before the 1994 passage of the Three Strikes law. (See Ewing v.
    California (2003) 
    538 U.S. 11
    , 15 [detailing California’s
    passage of the Three Strikes law].)
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    determination. Even if the majority were correct and Milton
    did have incentive to contest his gun use, there is no basis for
    concluding that all petitioners “as a general matter” (maj. opn,
    ante, at p. 35) had similar incentives in their prior proceedings.
    Finally, the majority asserts that pre-Gallardo courts
    were trying to “avoid the unfairness of treating [out-of-state]
    defendants with essentially identical underlying conduct very
    differently under California’s recidivist sentencing laws” based
    on “minor variations in the way different jurisdictions define
    criminal offenses.” (Maj. opn., ante, at p. 36.) But these
    differences were not “minor,” and the defendants did not
    engage in “identical underlying conduct.” (Ibid.) For instance,
    as relevant to Milton’s crimes, “[a]n essential element of the
    California crime of robbery is ‘the [specific] intent to
    permanently deprive the person of the property,’ ” whereas
    “robbery and armed robbery are general intent crimes in
    Illinois.” (Milton, supra, 42 Cal.App.5th at p. 985.) The
    difference between general and specific intent can greatly
    distinguish a defendant’s culpability. (See People v. Moore
    (2018) 
    19 Cal.App.5th 889
    , 893 [“General intent crimes require
    only a general criminal intent to commit the proscribed act,
    while specific intent crimes require an additional intent to do
    some further act or achieve some further consequence”].) Such
    differences are neither “minor” (maj. opn., ante, at p. 36) nor
    the result of mere “happenstance” (ibid.) and thus illustrate
    the importance of Gallardo’s new rule. Now, under Gallardo,
    “the conviction itself” (Gallardo, supra, 4 Cal.5th at p. 136)
    must qualify a petitioner for Three Strikes treatment, which
    ensures that an out-of-state offender “actually did commit
    identical conduct.” (Maj. opn., ante, at p. 37, fn. 12.) For all
    these reasons, we should apply Gallardo retroactively and
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    Groban, J., dissenting
    remand for an accurate assessment of Milton’s prior
    convictions (just as we did in Gallardo). (See id. at pp. 139–
    140.)
    3. CONCLUSION
    The upshot of the majority’s holding is that even though
    Milton’s prior use of a gun was not pleaded or proven at trial,
    or admitted to by plea, and even though the parties and the
    majority all agree that the sentencing court engaged in
    improper factfinding to conclude he personally used a gun, his
    indeterminate 25-years-to-life sentence must stand. I would
    not let Milton continue to serve a Three Strikes term without
    certainty that this severe punishment is supported by facts
    “necessarily found in the course of entering [his] prior
    conviction[s].” (Gallardo, supra, 4 Cal.5th at p. 134.) Milton
    should get the chance to be resentenced based upon the more
    reliable rule we laid out in Gallardo, the very same rule that
    would apply if he or anyone else were sentenced today.        I
    dissent.
    GROBAN, J.
    I Concur:
    LIU, J.
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    See next page for addresses and telephone numbers for counsel who
    argued in Supreme Court.
    Name of Opinion In re Milton
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    Procedural Posture (see XX below)
    Original Appeal
    Original Proceeding
    Review Granted (published) XX 
    42 Cal.App.5th 977
    Review Granted (unpublished)
    Rehearing Granted
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    Opinion No. S259954
    Date Filed: August 22, 2022
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    Court: Superior
    County: Los Angeles
    Judge: Ronald J. Slick
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    Counsel:
    Brad Kaiserman, under appointment by the Supreme Court, for
    Petitioner William Milton.
    Mary K. McComb, State Public Defender, Elias Batchelder, Erik Levin
    and Jessie Hawk, Deputy State Public Defenders, as Amicus Curiae on
    behalf of Petitioner William Milton.
    Xavier Becerra and Rob Bonta, Attorneys General, Gerald A. Engler
    and Lance E. Winters, Chief Assistant Attorneys General, Susan
    Sullivan Pithey, Assistant Attorney General, Michael C. Keller, Eric J.
    Kohm, Louis W. Karlin and Nicholas J. Webster, Deputy Attorneys
    General, for Respondent the People.
    Counsel who argued in Supreme Court (not intended for
    publication with opinion):
    Brad Kaiserman
    5870 Melrose Avenue # 3396
    Los Angeles, CA 90038
    (310) 367-7632
    Nicholas J. Webster
    Deputy Attorney General
    300 South Spring Street, Suite 1702
    Los Angeles, CA 90013
    (213) 269-6103