People v. Veamatahau ( 2020 )


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  •         IN THE SUPREME COURT OF
    CALIFORNIA
    THE PEOPLE,
    Plaintiff and Respondent,
    v.
    JOSEPH VEAMATAHAU,
    Defendant and Appellant.
    S249872
    First Appellate District, Division One
    A150689
    San Mateo County Superior Court
    SF398877A
    February 27, 2020
    This opinion follows companion case S248730,
    also filed on February 27, 2020.
    Chief Justice Cantil-Sakauye authored the opinion of the
    Court, in which Justices Chin, Corrigan, Liu, Cuéllar, Kruger
    and Groban concurred.
    PEOPLE v. VEAMATAHAU
    S249872
    Opinion of the Court by Cantil-Sakauye, C. J.
    Evidence Code section 802 allows a testifying expert to
    “state on direct examination the reasons for his opinion and the
    matter (including . . . his special knowledge, skill, experience,
    training, and education) upon which it is based.” So long as the
    matter is “of a type that reasonably may be relied upon by an
    expert,” it may be relayed to the factfinder “whether or not
    admissible.” (Evid. Code, § 801, subd. (b); all further unspecified
    statutory references are to the Evidence Code.) Accordingly, to
    support his opinion, an expert is permitted to relate to the jury
    background information that is technically hearsay, including
    general knowledge and “premises generally accepted in his
    field.” (People v. Sanchez (2016) 
    63 Cal.4th 665
    , 685 (Sanchez).)
    The expert, however, cannot “relate as true case-specific facts
    asserted in hearsay statements, unless they are independently
    proven by competent evidence or are covered by a hearsay
    exception.” (Id. at p. 686.)
    In this case, we determine whether an expert related
    impermissible case-specific hearsay. The expert told the jury
    that he identified the controlled substance the defendant was
    charged with possessing by comparing the visual characteristics
    of the pills seized against a database containing descriptions of
    pharmaceuticals. The expert testified that this procedure was
    “the generally accepted method of testing for this kind of
    substance in the scientific community,” and his search on the
    database led him to the conclusion that the pills contained
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    alprazolam, the generic name for Xanax. The expert also
    revealed the contents of the database, stating that if one looks
    up a particular imprint number, “[the database is] going to tell
    you that . . . [a pill bearing such imprint] contains alprazolam,
    2 milligrams.” After hearing this testimony and other evidence,
    the jury convicted defendant of possession of alprazolam.
    Defendant appealed, asserting that the expert testimony
    violated Sanchez’s prohibition against communication of case-
    specific hearsay. The Court of Appeal disagreed. It concluded
    that the “testimony about the database, while hearsay, was not
    case specific, but the type of general background information
    which has always been admissible when related by an expert.”
    (People v. Veamatahau (2018) 
    24 Cal.App.5th 68
    ,
    73 (Veamatahau).) The court further found sufficient evidence
    supported defendant’s conviction for possession of alprazolam.
    We agree with the Court of Appeal on both of these issues
    and affirm its judgment in its entirety.
    I. BACKGROUND
    In June 2015, an East Palo Alto police officer, Sergeant
    Clint Simmont, spotted defendant Joseph Veamatahau’s vehicle
    making an unlawful turn. The officer activated his lights, and
    defendant fled but was eventually apprehended. A search of
    defendant’s person and vehicle revealed a plastic bag containing
    what turned out to be cocaine base and — as is relevant for this
    appeal — pills wrapped in cellophane inside his pocket.
    Sergeant Simmont arrested defendant and interrogated him at
    the police station. A recording of the interview was played for
    the jury. During the interrogation, the officer asked defendant
    about the pills, saying, “What about the pills that you had, the
    bars? The Xanibars?” Defendant responded, “I take those,” and
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    admitted to taking “a lot,” “four or five” pills “[e]very day,” “until
    I feel good.”
    At trial, Sergeant Simmont testified concerning his
    experience in narcotics investigation and referred to the pills
    recovered as “Xanax pills.” Scott Rienhardt, a criminalist from
    the San Mateo County Sheriff’s Office Forensic Laboratory, also
    testified. Rienhardt worked in the “controlled substances . . .
    and toxicology unit” at the laboratory, where he had been
    employed for seven years.      Rienhardt held a degree in
    “chemistry, with an emphasis in analytical chemistry” and had
    previously worked for the Drug Enforcement Administration.
    Over the course of his career, he had tested for controlled
    substances “thousands of times.” Specific to “alprazolam . . .
    otherwise known as Xanax,” Rienhardt had identified the drug
    “in the hundreds” of times. Based on this testimony, the court
    designated Rienhardt as “an expert in the area of forensic
    testing of controlled substances, specifically heroin, cocaine
    base, and alprazolam.”
    Rienhardt then testified regarding the process by which
    “evidence comes into the lab to be tested after it’s been seized by
    the police.”   Rienhardt’s testimony, along with Sergeant
    Simmont’s, established that Rienhardt examined the pills
    recovered from defendant.         The prosecutor then asked
    Rienhardt if he was “able to identify the contents” of the pills.
    Rienhardt responded affirmatively.      When the prosecutor
    inquired about the method by which Rienhardt performed the
    identification, Rienhardt explained he used “a database that
    [he] searched against [] the logos that were on the tablets.”
    Following up on the explanation, the prosecutor asked, “Is that
    the generally accepted method of testing for this kind of
    substance in the scientific community?” Rienhardt confirmed
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    that it was. He then opined that, as a result of following this
    method, he “found the tablets to contain alprazolam.”
    On cross-examination, defense counsel attempted to cast
    doubt on Rienhardt’s identification.   Counsel first asked
    whether Rienhardt performed chemical tests on the pills.
    Rienhardt said he did not and explained that such tests were
    not the procedure followed by the San Mateo Forensic
    Laboratory. Counsel then suggested that a visual examination
    did not rule out the possibility that the tablets “could be
    something else.” Rienhardt’s response indicated why he did not
    believe the tablets were “something else.”       According to
    Rienhardt, when “there’s a controlled substance in the tablet,
    the FDA requires companies to have a distinct imprint on those
    tablets to differentiate it from any other tablets. The FDA
    regulates that. [¶] And if there’s a tablet that has — in this
    case GG32 — or 249 [as an imprint] — you can look that up.
    And it’s going to tell you that it contains alprazolam,
    2 milligrams. And that’s — we trust that, all those regulations
    being in place, to say that there’s alprazolam in those tablets.”
    Rienhardt conceded, however, that he did not “know who put
    those little letters” on the tablets.
    At the end of the prosecutor’s presentation of evidence,
    and outside of the presence of the jury, defendant moved for
    acquittal under Penal Code section 1118.1. Defendant faulted
    the prosecution for not having performed a “traditional test . . .
    where you actually test the substance.” “The only evidence
    provided,” claimed defendant, was “a visual test to compare that
    it’s a Xanax pill,” and “that’s [not] enough for the jury . . . to go
    back and deliberate about.” The court denied the motion. As it
    explained, “Mr. Rienhardt testified that method that he used is
    the one generally accepted in the scientific community. The jury
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    can decide what weight to give the fact that they were identified
    by physical form and not by a chemical test.                   But
    Mr. Rienhardt’s testimony gives the jur[ors] enough information
    from which they can make that determination themselves.”
    Defense counsel then argued to the jury during closing
    statements that the drug identification procedure employed was
    faulty. Counsel emphasized that Rienhardt “didn’t test the
    Xanax” and merely “guess[ed] it’s Xanax . . . [by] look[ing] at the
    picture” from the database. The jury subsequently convicted
    defendant of possessing alprazolam.
    Defendant appealed his conviction. Before the Court of
    Appeal, as here, defendant contended “his conviction must be
    reversed because Rienhardt’s testimony relayed case-specific
    hearsay to the jury which was improper under Sanchez.”
    (Veamatahau, supra, 24 Cal.App.5th at p. 72.) The appellate
    court rejected the argument, finding that “the only ‘case-specific’
    fact here concerned the markings Rienhardt saw on the pills
    recovered from defendant.” (Id. at p. 74.) However, Rienhardt’s
    “testimony about the appearance of the pills was not hearsay . . .
    because it was based on his personal observation.” (Ibid.) What
    was not based on Rienhardt’s personal knowledge was
    information obtained from the database, but this information
    “was not about the specific pills seized from defendant, but
    generally about what pills containing certain chemicals look
    like.” (Id. at p. 75, fn. omitted.) Although the information “is
    clearly hearsay, it is the type of background information which
    has always been admissible under state evidentiary law.” (Ibid.,
    fn. omitted.)
    The Court of Appeal thus found that Rienhardt’s
    testimony was properly admitted. In reaching this conclusion,
    the court expressly disagreed with People v. Stamps (2016)
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    3 Cal.App.5th 988
     (Stamps), “a factually similar case” in which
    the court found that the expert’s testimony was inadmissible.
    (Veamatahau, supra, 24 Cal.App.5th at p. 73.)            In the
    unpublished portion of its opinion, the Veamatahau court also
    rejected defendant’s claim that insufficient evidence supported
    his conviction. It therefore affirmed defendant’s conviction for
    possession of alprazolam.
    We granted review to resolve the conflict between the
    decision below and Stamps.
    II. ANALYSIS
    Our analysis proceeds in two parts.       We begin by
    examining whether the expert related inadmissible case-specific
    hearsay in testifying to the contents of a database used to
    identify the chemical composition of the pills recovered from
    defendant. After resolving this question, we consider whether
    substantial evidence supports defendant’s conviction. For the
    reasons given below, we conclude that Rienhardt did not relate
    case-specific hearsay to the jury and that his testimony — along
    with other evidence — was sufficient to allow a rational jury to
    convict defendant of possession of alprazolam.
    A. Whether the Expert Related Inadmissible Case-
    Specific Hearsay
    As a preliminary matter, we note that defendant did not
    object at trial to the introduction of Rienhardt’s testimony.
    However, defendant was convicted two days before we issued
    Sanchez, and, as we have recently decided, the failure to object
    in such circumstances does not forfeit a defendant’s Sanchez
    claim. (People v. Perez (Feb. 27, 2020, S082101) __ Cal.5th __.)
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    In Sanchez, we clarified the “proper application” of our
    evidentiary law as it relates to the intersection of hearsay and
    expert testimony. (Sanchez, supra, 63 Cal.4th at p. 670.) We
    began by explaining that “[t]he hearsay rule has traditionally
    not barred an expert’s testimony regarding his general
    knowledge in his field of expertise.” (Id. at p. 676.) The reason
    for this is pragmatic: because “ ‘experts frequently acquired
    their knowledge from hearsay, . . . “to reject a professional
    physician or mathematician because the fact or some facts to
    which he testifies are known to him only upon the authority of
    others would be to ignore the accepted methods of professional
    work and to insist on . . . impossible standards.” ’ ” (Ibid.;
    accord, e.g., Imwinkelried, The Bases of Expert Testimony: The
    Syllogistic Structure of Scientific Testimony (1988) 67 N.C.
    L.Rev. 1, 9 [“As one court has put it, it would be ‘virtually
    impossible’ for a scientist to avoid relying on hearsay sources of
    information.     That observation is an understatement”].)
    Because experts rely on hearsay knowledge and because a jury
    “must independently evaluate the probative value of an expert’s
    testimony,” including by assessing the basis of the expert’s
    opinion, the expert is entitled to tell the jury the basis or
    “ ‘matter’ upon which his opinion rests.” (Sanchez, supra,
    63 Cal.4th at pp. 685-686.) Hence, “[i]n addition to matters
    within their own personal knowledge, experts may relate
    information acquired through their training and experience,
    even though that information may have been derived from
    conversations with others, lectures, study of learned treatises,
    etc.” (Id. at p. 675.)
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    The Legislature codified this common law rule when it
    enacted the Evidence Code.1 Section 801 of the Code allows an
    expert witness to render an opinion “[b]ased on matter
    (including his special knowledge, skill, experience, training, and
    education) perceived by or personally known to the witness or
    made known to him at or before the hearing, whether or not
    admissible, that is of a type that reasonably may be relied upon
    by an expert in forming an opinion upon the subject to which his
    testimony relates, unless an expert is precluded by law from
    using such matter as a basis for his opinion.” (§ 801, subd. (b),
    italics added.) Section 802 further permits the expert to “state
    on direct examination the reasons for his opinion and the matter
    (including, in the case of an expert, his special knowledge, skill,
    experience, training, and education) upon which it is based.”
    (See also § 721, subd. (a) [providing that “a witness testifying as
    an expert . . . may be fully cross-examined as to . . . the matter
    upon which his or her opinion is based and the reasons for his
    or her opinion”].) In short, not only can an expert “rely on
    hearsay in forming an opinion,” he “may tell the jury in general
    terms that he did so.” (Sanchez, supra, 63 Cal.4th at p. 685.)
    By contrast, an expert may not relate inadmissible “case-
    specific facts about which the expert has no independent
    knowledge.” (Sanchez, supra, 63 Cal.4th at p. 676.) “Case-
    specific facts are those relating to the particular events and
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    Defendant asserts in his reply brief that the “expert’s
    background information hearsay exception is a common law
    hearsay exception rather than one defined by the Evidence
    [C]ode.” The contention is without merit. Although the rule
    allowing an expert to testify to general information finds its
    roots in common law, the rule is now codified. (Sanchez, supra,
    63 Cal.4th at p. 678.)
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    participants alleged to have been involved in the case being
    tried.” (Ibid.) Testimony relating such facts, unlike testimony
    about non-case-specific background information, is subject to
    exclusion on hearsay grounds. (Id. at p. 684, fn. omitted [“If an
    expert testifies to case-specific out-of-court statements to
    explain the bases for his opinion, those statements are
    necessarily considered by the jury for their truth, thus rendering
    them hearsay. Like any other hearsay evidence, it must be
    properly admitted through an applicable hearsay exception”].)
    The distinction between case-specific facts and background
    information thus is crucial — the former may be excluded as
    hearsay, the latter may not.
    Relying on Sanchez, defendant argues that his conviction
    must be reversed because it was based on inadmissible hearsay
    “conveyed through expert testimony.” We disagree. As Sanchez
    made clear, the part of the expert’s testimony that may be
    excluded on hearsay ground is that relating “case-specific facts
    about which the expert has no independent knowledge.”
    (Sanchez, supra, 63 Cal.4th at p. 676.) None of Rienhardt’s
    statements falls in this category of impermissible testimony.
    On direct examination, Rienhardt testified that, in his
    field, it is standard practice to identify pharmaceutical pills by
    visual inspection, whereby one compares markings found on the
    pills against a database of imprints that the Food and Drug
    Administration requires to be placed on tablets containing
    controlled substances. He then testified that he performed this
    visual inspection on the pills seized from defendant and formed
    the opinion that they contained alprazolam. Rienhardt’s
    opinion, offered “while testifying at the hearing,” was not
    hearsay. (See § 1200, subd. (a) [defining hearsay as “evidence of
    a statement that was made other than by a witness while
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    testifying at the hearing and that is offered to prove the truth of
    the matter stated”]; § 805 [“Testimony in the form of an opinion
    that is otherwise admissible is not objectionable because it
    embraces the ultimate issue to be decided by the trier of fact”].)
    Likewise, Rienhardt’s testimony about the appearance of the
    seized pills was not hearsay, because Rienhardt personally
    examined the pills and saw the imprints on them. (People v.
    Iraheta (2017) 
    14 Cal.App.5th 1228
    , 1248 (Iraheta) [“Personal
    observations by any officer of Iraheta’s or other subjects’ tattoos,
    attire, companions, and location were not hearsay”]; People v.
    Vega-Robles (2017) 
    9 Cal.App.5th 382
    , 413 (Vega-Robles) [“As
    we read Sanchez, it is not error for a gang expert to testify about
    case-specific facts about which he has personal knowledge”];
    People v. Meraz (2016) 
    6 Cal.App.5th 1162
    , 1174 (Meraz)
    [similar].) Accordingly, Rienhardt conveyed no hearsay on
    direct examination.
    On the other hand, some of Rienhardt’s testimony elicited
    on cross-examination constituted hearsay. In response to
    questioning by defense counsel, Rienhardt explained that the
    database he used “tell[s] you” that pills displaying a certain
    imprint “contain[] alprazolam, 2 milligrams.” This information
    was hearsay but, crucially, not case specific.2
    Rienhardt’s statement concerning what the database
    “tell[s] you” related general background information relied upon
    2
    Seizing on the fact that this testimony was elicited by the
    defense, the Attorney General argues that even if the testimony
    ran afoul of Sanchez, the defendant invited the error and cannot
    be heard now to complain. We need not reach this argument
    because, as explained post, Rienhardt did not relate case-specific
    hearsay, and, as such, there was no Sanchez error.
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    in the criminalist’s field. The facts disclosed by the database,
    and conveyed by Rienhardt, are “about what [any generic] pills
    containing certain chemicals look like.” (Veamatahau, supra,
    24 Cal.App.5th at p. 75, fn. omitted.) The database revealed
    nothing about “the particular events . . . in the case being tried,”
    i.e., the particular pills that Sergeant Simmont seized from
    defendant. (Sanchez, supra, 63 Cal.4th at p. 676.) Any
    information about the specific pills seized from defendant came
    from Rienhardt’s personal observation (that they contained the
    logos “GG32 — or 249”) and his ultimate opinion (that they
    contained alprazolam), not from the database. In short,
    information from the database is not case specific but is the kind
    of background information experts have traditionally been able
    to rely on and relate to the jury. (See Sanchez, supra, 63 Cal.4th
    at pp. 685-686; People v. Garton (2018) 
    4 Cal.5th 485
    , 506-507;
    People v. Anthony (2019) 
    32 Cal.App.5th 1102
    , 1131; People v.
    Espinoza (2018) 
    23 Cal.App.5th 317
    , 321 (Espinoza); People v.
    Blessett (2018) 
    22 Cal.App.5th 903
    , 943; Iraheta, supra,
    14 Cal.App.5th at p.1243; Vega-Robles, supra, 9 Cal.App.5th at
    p. 408; Meraz, supra, 6 Cal.App.5th at pp. 1174-1175.)
    An example we gave in Sanchez illustrates this point. In
    Sanchez, we said, “[t]hat an associate of the defendant had a
    diamond tattooed on his arm would be a case-specific fact that
    could be established by a witness who saw the tattoo, or by an
    authenticated photograph. That the diamond is a symbol
    adopted by a given street gang would be background
    information about which a gang expert could testify. The expert
    could also be allowed to give an opinion that the presence of a
    diamond tattoo shows the person belongs to the gang.”
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    (Sanchez, supra, 63 Cal.4th at p. 677.)3 The example may be
    readily analogized to the case at hand. Just as information that
    diamonds are a symbol of a certain gang is background
    knowledge, information that the designation “GG32 — or 249”
    engraved on pharmaceutical tablets indicates that the tablets
    contain alprazolam is “background information about which a[n]
    . . . expert could testify.” (Ibid.) To be sure, street gangs and
    the symbols they use might or might not be the kind of
    information stored in a searchable database. Yet the location of
    a piece of information cannot change its nature. Simply because
    an expert obtained information from a database — instead of,
    say, a list of gang symbols maintained by a law enforcement
    3
    Defendant contends that the examples we used in Sanchez
    were mere “dicta.” He suggests that we disregard these
    examples, because, despite what we said, “[I]t is not at all clear
    that the gang’s use of diamond tattoos can be defined as a non-
    case specific fact.” Defendant is mistaken. We meant what we
    said in Sanchez, including what we said in this particular
    example: the fact that a “diamond is a symbol adopted by a
    given street gang [is] background information.” (Sanchez,
    supra, 63 Cal.4th at p. 677.) Hence, it is necessarily not case
    specific. This is true regardless of whether the expert learned
    of the symbol, as defendant puts it, by consulting a specific
    database, talking to “a single gang member,” or by “debrief[ing]
    seven members of the gang in question,” “interview[ing] [an
    unspecific number of] rival gang members,” and attending “gang
    seminars.”
    Of course, the type or number of sources that an expert
    relies on may affect the reliability of his testimony. However, as
    the Attorney General points out, concerns about “reliability and
    accuracy” are “a separate issue from whether the material
    constituted case-specific hearsay.” We address defendant’s
    arguments about reliability post.
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    agency — does not metamorphose that information from
    background knowledge into case-specific facts.
    Defendant resists this conclusion, arguing that
    information obtained from a specific database cannot be
    background knowledge. According to defendant, background or
    general knowledge refers to “overall knowledge acquired from
    sources too numerous to distinguish and quantify.” Because
    “[a]n expert’s general background knowledge is the commingled
    result of experience and educational hearsay that is
    impracticable to disentangle,” experts relating background
    knowledge “likely could not cite the specific textbook . . . or the
    particular lecture . . . from which they garnered their
    knowledge.” Conversely, defendant argues, when experts name
    “specific sources consulted . . . for a particular case,” they are not
    relating general knowledge but case-specific hearsay.
    We reject defendant’s crabbed view of expert knowledge.
    Defendant makes his assertion without any analysis of the
    relevant provisions of the Evidence Code or the longstanding
    common law on which they are based. (Cal. Law Revision Com.
    com., 29B pt. 3A West’s Ann. Evid. Code (2009 ed.) foll. § 801,
    pp. 25-26; id., foll. § 802, pp. 142-143.) More to the point, we do
    not see how expert witnesses are doing something other than
    making use of their expertise when they rely on their “special
    knowledge, skill, experience, training, and education” to
    (1) select a source to consult, (2) digest the information from that
    source, (3) form an opinion about the reliability of the source
    based on their experience in the field, and (4) apply the
    information garnered from the source to the (independently
    established) facts of a particular case. (§§ 801, 802.) Without
    suggesting that this is (or needs to be) the process underlying
    every instance of expert testimony, we think that when experts
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    engage in such an inquiry, they are drawing upon their “special
    knowledge, skill, experience, training, and education” to form an
    opinion about the case. (Ibid.) Under our evidentiary law,
    experts may make such use of their knowledge— and may tell
    the jury that they did so. (§§ 801, 802.) In other words, it is not
    only when experts rely on the “amorphous” “commingled result
    of experience and education[]” (to quote defendant) that the
    testimony is considered as supplying general knowledge.
    Again, the examples we used in Sanchez shed light on the
    matter. There we said that general background information
    encompasses the following: (1) in an automobile accident case,
    “that a given equation can be used to estimate speed based on
    [skid] marks”; (2) in a case involving suspected foul play, the
    “circumstances [that] might cause . . . hemorrhaging” in the
    eyes; and (3) in a personal injury case, the “potential long-term
    effects” of a serious head injury. (Sanchez, supra, 63 Cal.4th at
    p. 677.) Examining each of these types of information, we
    observe that the relevant equation and the fact that it can “be
    used to estimate speed” may be found in physics textbooks,
    circumstances causing hemorrhaging in medical treatises, and
    the long term effects of an injury in research papers. (Ibid.) As
    these examples make clear, an expert may consult specific
    sources in a case — a textbook, a treatise, or an academic paper
    — and supply the information found therein to the jury as
    background information without running afoul of the hearsay
    rules.
    Subdivision (b) of section 721 reinforces this point. Section
    721 sets forth the scope of cross-examination of expert
    witnesses. In pertinent part, it provides that “[i]f a witness
    testifying as an expert testifies in the form of an opinion,” the
    witness may “be cross-examined in regard to the content or
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    tenor of any scientific, technical, or professional text, treatise,
    journal, or similar publication” so long as “[t]he witness referred
    to, considered, or relied upon such publication in arriving at or
    forming his or her opinions.” (§ 721, subd. (b).) Section 721 thus
    illuminates the kind of information that is admissible: an expert
    witness may “refer[] to, consider[], or rel[y] upon” “any scientific,
    technical, or professional text, treatise, journal, or similar
    publication” and may expect to be cross-examined “in regard to
    the content or tenor” of any such publication.                (Ibid.)
    Accordingly, specific references and their “content or tenor” are
    not inadmissible merely because they are specific. (Ibid.)
    Insofar as defendant argues that specific reference sources
    constitute background information only if the expert happened
    to know the information off-hand and did not review the source
    materials in preparing for a particular case, we reject the
    argument. It is untenable that the same information would be
    background knowledge when conveyed by one expert but case-
    specific information when provided by another solely because
    one of the experts consulted a resource containing that
    information before testifying. We cannot accept a framework
    under which the standard for admitting expert testimony would,
    as the Attorney General says, “turn on the expert’s memory
    rather than on the reliability of the underlying material.”
    To reiterate, the relevant hearsay analysis under Sanchez
    is whether the expert is relating general or case-specific out-of-
    court statements. The focus of the inquiry is on the information
    conveyed by the expert’s testimony, not how the expert came to
    learn of such information. Thus, regardless of whether an
    expert testified to certain facts based on composite knowledge
    “acquired from sources too numerous to distinguish and
    quantify” or if the expert simply looked up the facts in a specific
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    reference as part of his or her duties in a particular case, the
    facts remain the same. The background or case-specific
    character of the information does not change because of the
    source from which an expert acquired his or her knowledge.
    Defendant    also   seeks    to rely on        Stamps,   supra,
    
    3 Cal.App.5th 988
    . In that case, the prosecution’s expert had
    identified pills recovered from the defendant “as oxycodone and
    dihydrocodeinone based solely on a visual comparison of the
    seized pills to those displayed on the Ident-A-Drug Web site.”
    (Stamps, supra, 3 Cal.App.5th at p. 991.) The Court of Appeal
    found that the expert’s testimony was inadmissible hearsay
    because the “Ident-A-Drug content . . . was case specific.” (Id. at
    p. 997.) The court explained its reasoning in succinct terms,
    stating, “We think it undeniable that the chemical composition
    of the pills Stamps possessed must be considered case specific.
    Indeed, the Ident-A-Drug hearsay was admitted as proof of the
    very gravamen of the crime with which she was charged. . . .
    That being true, our hearsay analysis is at an end.” (Ibid.)
    We are not persuaded.4 Simply because the Ident-A-Drug
    web site served as the basis for the expert’s ultimate opinion
    does not make information from the site case-specific. The
    expert’s opinion that the seized pills were prescription opioids
    was not hearsay and not otherwise objectionable. (§ 805
    [“Testimony in the form of an opinion that is otherwise
    admissible is not objectionable because it embraces the ultimate
    issue to be decided by the trier of fact”].) Information from the
    Ident-A-Drug database — that pills matching a certain
    description contain opioids — was hearsay but not case-specific.
    4
    We disapprove of People v. Stamps, 
    3 Cal. App. 5th 988
    , to
    the extent it is inconsistent with our opinion.
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    It is no more case-specific than if an expert divulged the
    equation — into which she entered the length of the skid marks
    she measured at the scene of the accident — to come to the
    conclusion that a defendant was traveling at the speed of 100
    miles per hour before the crash. (See Sanchez, supra, 63 Cal.4th
    at p. 677.)
    Defendant further contends that the existence of other
    statutory exceptions to the hearsay rule — specifically Evidence
    Code section 1340 — “suggests that [] information included in a
    database is not part of the expert’s general knowledge.” Section
    1340 provides that a statement “contained in a tabulation, list,
    directory, register, or other published compilation is not made
    inadmissible by the hearsay rule if the compilation is generally
    used and relied upon as accurate in the course of a business.”
    Because section 1340 arguably may cover Rienhardt’s testimony
    regarding the database, defendant contends that the existence
    of the section means that the testimony cannot qualify as
    permissible testimony under sections 801 and 802.
    As the Attorney General points out, however, “evidence is
    often admissible under more than one theory.” Thus, the
    existence of one statutory provision allowing for admission of a
    piece of evidence does not preclude that evidence from being
    admitted under a different provision. (See, e.g., Cal. Law
    Revision Com. com., 29B pt. 5 West’s Ann. Evid. Code (2015 ed.)
    foll. § 1280, p. 48 [“The evidence that is admissible under this
    section is also admissible under Section 1271, the business
    records exception”]; People v. Clark (2016) 
    63 Cal.4th 522
    , 563
    [“defendant presupposes that the only basis for admitting any of
    Yancey’s statements was through Evidence Code section 1223,
    the coconspirator hearsay exception. But defendant fails to
    appreciate the point . . . that many, if not most, of Yancey’s
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    statements were also admissible as nonhearsay.”]; People v.
    Karis (1988) 
    46 Cal.3d 612
    , 635, italics added [“The ruling [to
    admit testimony] must be upheld if the evidence was admissible
    under any hearsay exception”]; People v. Nelson (2012) 
    209 Cal.App.4th 698
    , 710, fn. omitted [“ ‘Hospital . . . records . . . fall
    within the umbrella of the business record exception [of section
    1271].’ [Citations.] [Such] records may also qualify as public
    records under section 1280”].) In this case, we are not persuaded
    that the existence of section 1340 bars Rienhardt’s statements
    from being admitted under sections 801 and 802. 5
    Finally, defendant cites policy reasons for treating sources
    “consulted by an expert as case-specific hearsay rather than as
    general background knowledge.” Defendant asserts that only if
    “the consulted sources are . . . treated as [case-specific] hearsay,”
    would “the trial court . . . be able to vet the reliability of the
    sources before the hearsay is presented to the jury.” If the
    information is instead considered a “part of the expert’s general
    knowledge,” the vetting process would be “undercut” because
    the expert would be permitted to “essentially vouch for the
    reliability of a source.”
    Defendant’s argument paints a false dichotomy. In fact,
    in law, and in practice, testimony admitted under sections 801
    5
    Because we find that Rienhardt did not relate
    inadmissible case-specific hearsay, we do not reach the
    argument concerning whether the testimony would also have
    been admissible under section 1340. We thus take no position
    on cases that have weighed in on this issue. (See People v.
    Mooring (2017) 
    15 Cal.App.5th 928
    , 941 [“We conclude the
    Ident-A-Drug Web site comes within the published compilation
    exception to the hearsay rule codified in Evidence Code section
    1340”]; Espinoza, supra, 23 Cal.App.5th at p. 321 [same].)
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    or 802 of the Evidence Code is subject to scrutiny on reliability
    grounds by the court and opposing counsel. Section 801 specifies
    that the “matter” on which an expert relies must be “of a type
    that reasonably may be relied upon by an expert in forming an
    opinion upon the subject to which his testimony relates.” (§ 801,
    subd. (b).) Thus, an expert must establish that the basis for his
    or her opinion is sufficiently reliable such that it “reasonably
    may be relied upon” by experts testifying on the same subject.
    (See Cal. Law Revision Com. com., 29B pt. 3A West’s Ann. Evid.
    Code, supra, foll. § 801, p. 26 [stating that this requirement
    “assures the reliability and trustworthiness of the information
    used by experts in forming their opinions”]; Sargon Enterprises,
    Inc. v. University of Southern California (2012) 
    55 Cal.4th 747
    ,
    770 (Sargon) [“Comments of a commission that proposed a
    statute are entitled to substantial weight in construing the
    statute”].) Rienhardt satisfied this requirement by averring
    that his use of the database was “the generally accepted method
    of testing for this kind of substance in the scientific community.”
    Defendant could have objected to or otherwise challenged
    this assertion. (See § 721, subd. (a).) Had he done so, he could
    have subjected the testimony to the trial court’s critical
    examination. Pursuant to section 802, “[t]he court in its
    discretion may require that a witness before testifying in the
    form of an opinion be first examined concerning the matter upon
    which his opinion is based.” Furthermore, “[t]he court may, and
    upon objection shall, exclude testimony in the form of an opinion
    that is based in whole or in significant part on matter that is not
    a proper basis for such an opinion.” (§ 803; see also § 402, subd.
    (b) [providing a procedure to determine “the question of the
    admissibility of evidence out of the presence or hearing of the
    jury”].) In short, regardless of whether an expert’s testimony is
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    treated as supplying general information or case-specific facts,
    the courts are fully empowered to “vet the reliability of the
    sources” underpinning that testimony. (See Sargon, supra,
    55 Cal.4th at pp. 770-772.)
    Defendant glosses over the court’s gatekeeping power.
    Instead, he asserts that the reliability of “reference materials
    consulted by the expert for a particular case . . . cannot be
    tested” and, therefore, testimony relying on such materials
    “cannot fall within the background knowledge exception.” To
    build his case, defendant constructs what he calls the “surrogate
    problem.” According to defendant, when an expert consults a
    reference guide, “the expert witness is not actually the expert
    providing the expertise.” “Rather, the expert [witness] is acting
    as a surrogate conveying the expertise of someone else — the
    author of the reference source.” As such, there can be no
    “assurance of the reliability” of the surrogate statement.
    We disagree. Simply because an expert is relying on
    information supplied by “someone else” does not mean the
    trustworthiness of that information cannot be explored through
    examination. Most directly, that “someone else” “may be called
    and examined” by the defendant if he so chooses. (§ 804, subd.
    (a) [“If a witness testifying as an expert testifies that his opinion
    is based in whole or in part upon the opinion or statement of
    another person, such other person may be called and examined
    by any adverse party as if under cross-examination concerning
    the opinion or statement”]; see also id., subd. (d) [“An expert
    opinion otherwise admissible is not made inadmissible by this
    section because it is based on the opinion or statement of a
    person who is unavailable for examination pursuant to this
    section”].)  More indirectly, an expert may be examined
    regarding her belief about the reliability of the information upon
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    which she bases her opinion. If the expert professes to know
    little about the source material or cannot explain why it is a
    credible fount on which to rest the proffered testimony, that
    would be a basis for the party opponent to discredit the
    testimony (via cross-examination or by offering its own expert)
    or for the trial court to exclude it.
    Reliability probes are also not the only tool a trial court
    has to exclude improper expert testimony. Should an expert
    attempt to take the stand and do nothing more than regurgitate
    information from another source without applying any of his or
    her own expertise, as defendant claims a “surrogate” expert may
    do, the court need not stand idly by. Instead, the court may
    subject the expert to a hearing, outside the presence of the jury,
    to preview his or her testimony. (See § 402.) During the
    hearing, the court may probe the expert’s qualifications. Under
    section 720, “[a] person is qualified to testify as an expert” only
    if he or she “has special knowledge, skill, experience, training,
    or education sufficient to qualify him as an expert on the subject
    to which his testimony relates.” (§ 720, subd. (a).) Accordingly,
    if an expert is merely parroting hearsay information without
    understanding the information or otherwise providing
    explanation to “assist the trier of fact,” the so-called expert can
    be prohibited from testifying altogether. (§ 801, subd. (a); accord
    Williams v. Illinois (2012) 
    567 U.S. 50
    , 80 (plur. opn.) [“trial
    courts can screen out experts who would act as mere conduits
    for hearsay by strictly enforcing the requirement that experts
    display some genuine ‘scientific, technical, or other specialized
    knowledge [that] will help the trier of fact to understand the
    evidence or to determine a fact in issue’ ”]; Mosesian v. Pennwalt
    Corp. (1987) 
    191 Cal.App.3d 851
    , 862 [“There is a point . . . at
    which an expert’s opinion that is based entirely upon or
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    substantially upon other opinions would conceivably be
    worthless. This would occur when, in effect, the expert begins
    to stray outside his or her subject area of expertise.”].)
    In addition, the court has authority under section 352 to
    impose reasonable limits on an expert’s testimony. (See, e.g.,
    People v. Richardson (2008) 
    43 Cal.4th 959
    , 1008 [noting that
    the trial court’s authority under section 352 “extends to the
    admission or exclusion of expert testimony”].) If the court
    believes an expert is unduly consuming time, improperly
    seeking to impress the jury with someone else’s expertise, or
    otherwise “creat[ing] substantial danger of . . . confusing the
    issues, or of misleading the jury,” the court may curtail an
    expert’s testimony — for instance, by limiting how much of a
    hearsay source an expert can relate to the factfinder. (§ 352.)
    Defendant in this case did not avail himself of any of these
    protections offered by the Evidence Code, choosing instead to
    rely on his closing statements to cast doubt on the reliability of
    the drug identification procedure. 6       Yet simply because
    6
    Defendant did request that the trial court instruct the jury
    with CALCRIM 332 concerning expert witness testimony, and
    the court did so. Accordingly, the court told the jury: “You must
    consider the opinions, but you are not required to accept them
    as true or correct. . . . You must decide whether information on
    which the expert relied was true and accurate. You may
    disregard any opinion that you find unbelievable, unreasonable,
    or unsupported by the evidence.” The jury was thus informed
    that it may disregard Rienhardt’s opinion if it found the opinion
    unreliable.
    As the above makes clear, it is the jury’s role to decide the
    weight to accord to the expert testimony and “courts must . . . be
    cautious in excluding expert testimony” so as not to usurp that
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    defendant did not test Rienhardt’s testimony — offering no voir
    dire of the expert, no probing question about the acceptability of
    his methodology, and no cross-examination regarding the
    reliability of the database itself — does not mean the mechanism
    to do so is absent.
    In short, the asserted “surrogate problem” offers no reason
    for us to treat general knowledge as anything but what it is. In
    the context of cases such as this one, if no chemical testing has
    been performed, the defense can poke holes in the prosecution’s
    case on that basis and argue reliability, or lack thereof, to the
    jury, as happened here. What the defense cannot do is claim
    that the expert’s testimony concerning the identification
    procedure he followed in lieu of chemical testing should be
    excluded on hearsay grounds merely because the defense did not
    scrutinize the reliability of said procedure.
    For these reasons, we reject defendant’s arguments.
    Consistent with our statutory rules of evidence and case law, we
    hold that Rienhardt related no inadmissible case-specific
    hearsay in testifying to the contents of a drug identification
    database.
    B. Whether Substantial Evidence Supports
    Defendant’s Conviction
    Independent of the admissibility of Rienhardt’s testimony,
    defendant claims the trial court erred in denying his motion for
    role. (Sargon, supra, 55 Cal.4th at p. 772.) Although “ ‘[t]here
    is no bright line that divides evidence worthy of consideration
    by a jury . . . from evidence that is not,’ ” many of defendant’s
    arguments concerning reliability may be better understood as
    directed at the weight of the expert testimony, not its
    admissibility. (Id. at p. 769.)
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    acquittal pursuant to Penal Code section 1118.1. (See Pen.
    Code, § 1118.1 [“In a case tried before a jury, the court on motion
    of the defendant or on its own motion, at the close of the evidence
    on either side and before the case is submitted to the jury for
    decision, shall order the entry of a judgment of acquittal of one
    or more of the offenses charged . . . if the evidence then before
    the court is insufficient to sustain a conviction of such offense or
    offenses on appeal”].)
    We review the denial of a section 1118.1 motion using the
    same standard “employed in reviewing the sufficiency of the
    evidence to support a conviction.” (People v. Houston (2012) 
    54 Cal.4th 1186
    , 1215 (Houston).) We thus examine “ ‘the entire
    record in the light most favorable to the judgment’ ” to
    determine whether it discloses substantial evidence —
    “ ‘evidence that is reasonable, credible, and of solid value’ ” —
    “ ‘from which a reasonable trier of fact could find the defendant
    guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.’ ” (People v. Gomez (2018) 
    6 Cal.5th 243
    , 278 (Gomez).) Our review “ ‘ “presume[s] in support
    of the judgment the existence of every fact the jury could
    reasonably have deduced from the evidence.” ’ [Citation.] Even
    where, as here, the evidence of guilt is largely circumstantial,
    our task is not to resolve credibility issues or evidentiary
    conflicts, nor is it to inquire whether the evidence might ‘ “ ‘be
    reasonably reconciled with the defendant’s innocence.’ ” ’ ”
    (Ibid.) Instead, we ask whether there is “ ‘ “substantial evidence
    of the existence of each element of the offense charged” ’ ” such
    that any rational jury may have convicted defendant. (Id. at
    p. 307.)
    In this case, defendant contests only one element of the
    misdemeanor possession charge: that the pills he possessed
    actually contained the controlled substance alprazolam.         We
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    have concluded that Rienhardt was properly allowed to give his
    opinion to that effect. In addition, our case law is clear that the
    element may be established by circumstantial evidence — that
    is, by evidence other than direct, chemical testing. (People v.
    Francis (1969) 
    71 Cal.2d 66
    , 72 [“the narcotic character of a
    substance may, of course, be proved by circumstantial
    evidence”]; People v. Palaschak (1995) 
    9 Cal.4th 1236
    , 1242
    (Palaschak) [similar]; People v. Sonleitner (1986) 
    183 Cal.App.3d 364
    , 369 (Sonleitner) [similar]; People v. Galfund
    (1968) 
    267 Cal.App.2d 317
    , 320 [similar].)7
    We agree with the Court of Appeal that substantial
    circumstantial evidence supports defendant’s conviction. In
    addition to Rienhardt’s testimony, the jury heard Sergeant
    Simmont’s identification of the pills. The sergeant made this
    identification twice, once at trial when he referred to the pills by
    7
    The federal courts are of the same view. (See United
    States v. Walters (1st Cir. 1990) 
    904 F.2d 765
    , 770 [“Proof based
    on scientific analysis or expert testimony is not required to prove
    the illicit nature of a substance”]; United States v. Agueci (2d
    Cir. 1962) 
    310 F.2d 817
    , 828; Griffin v. Spratt (3d Cir. 1992) 
    969 F.2d 16
    , 22; United States v. Dolan (4th Cir. 1976) 
    544 F.2d 1219
    , 1221; United States v. Osgood (5th Cir. 1986) 
    794 F.2d 1087
    , 1095; United States v. Schrock (6th Cir. 1988) 
    855 F.2d 327
    , 334; United States v. Coleman (7th Cir. 1999) 
    179 F.3d 1056
    , 1060; United States v. Westbrook (8th Cir. 1990) 
    896 F.2d 330
    , 336; United States v. Durham (9th Cir. 2006) 
    464 F.3d 976
    ,
    984; United States v. Sanchez De Fundora (10th Cir. 1990) 
    893 F.2d 1173
    , 1175; United States v. Harrell (11th Cir. 1984) 
    737 F.2d 971
    , 978; Vest v. United States (D.C. 2006) 
    905 A.2d 263
    ,
    267; see also Jones v. Commonwealth (Ky. 2011) 
    331 S.W.3d 249
    ,
    253 [“courts around the nation have uniformly held that
    circumstantial evidence is enough to sustain a conviction for an
    offense involving a controlled substance”]; State v. Harris (La.
    2003) 
    846 So.2d 709
    , 713 [similar].)
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    the brand name of Xanax and once during the interrogation
    when he referred to them as Xanibars. Sergeant Simmont is an
    experienced police officer, with experience in narcotics
    investigation, and a rational jury could credit his testimony that
    defendant possessed Xanax, or more formally, alprazolam. (See
    People v. Bailey (1991) 
    1 Cal.App.4th 459
    , 462-463 (Bailey)
    [concluding that a trained narcotics officer’s “testimony
    establishes that the substance in question was cocaine base”];
    Sonleitner, supra, 183 Cal.App.3d at pp. 369-370 [“the nature of
    a substance . . . may be proved . . . by the expert opinion of the
    arresting officer”]; People v. Marinos (1968) 
    260 Cal.App.2d 735
    ,
    738-739 [“In the case at bench the officer who testified had had
    many years of experience in the business, his testimony was not
    objected to, he said that in his opinion the cigarette smoked by
    appellant contained marijuana. . . . [¶] We cannot say as a
    matter of law that there was not substantial evidence to support
    the finding that appellant possessed marijuana”]; State v. Carter
    (La.Ct.App. 2008) 
    981 So.2d 734
    , 744-745 (Carter) [discerning
    sufficient evidence “from which the jury could find beyond a
    reasonable doubt that the pills at issue were identified as
    hydrocodone” when, along with a criminalist’s testimony, a
    detective testified “that he had seen similar pills in the past as
    part of his job and that the pills at issue were hydrocodone
    pills”].)
    The jury also heard defendant’s admission.        When
    questioned about the “the pills that [he] had, the bars[,] the
    Xanibars,” defendant said, “I take those.” Defendant admitted
    that he had taken “a lot” of the pills and that they helped him
    “feel good.”      Defendant’s own statements constituted
    “ ‘reasonable, credible, and of solid value’ ” evidence that the
    pills are “Xanibars,” or the controlled substance alprazolam.
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    (Gomez, supra, 6 Cal.5th at p. 278; see Palaschak, 
    supra,
    9 Cal.4th at p. 1242 [crediting as part of the evidence against
    the defendant the fact that “[o]n being arrested, defendant
    readily admitted ingesting the drug [LSD]”]; People v. Williams
    (1971) 
    5 Cal.3d 211
    , 216 [“knowledge of the character of
    dangerous drugs or narcotics may be shown by acts or
    declarations of the accused”].)
    Defendant protests that this evidence shows only that
    defendant “believed he possessed ‘Xanibar.’ ”          This is
    insubstantial, according to defendant, because “[t]here was no
    testimony that Xanibar and Xanax are synonymous.” But on
    review of a sufficiency of the evidence claim, we draw every
    reasonable inference in support of the verdict. (E.g., Houston,
    supra, 54 Cal.4th at p. 1215.) In light of Sergeant Simmont’s
    use of the term “Xanibars” and “Xanax” to refer to the same pills,
    a rational jury could have drawn the inference that both are
    names for the controlled substance alprazolam. Defendant
    further argues that he may have been mistaken in his belief that
    he had been taking alprazolam, because “counterfeit drugs are
    typically sold on the street to unsuspecting users who believe
    they are real.” Although that might have been possible, such an
    argument “simply present[s] one interpretation of the
    evidence”;8 it does not suggest that a reasonable jury could not
    “draw the opposite inference from the evidence.” (Gomez, supra,
    6 Cal.5th at p. 308.) Put differently, a reasonable jury was not
    8
    As discussed further post, defendant did not urge such an
    interpretation at trial. Defendant never mentioned “counterfeit
    drugs,” the typicality or frequency at which they are “sold on the
    street,” the ubiquity of “unsuspecting users who believe they are
    real,” or otherwise attempted to negate his adoptive admission
    before the jury.
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    precluded from taking defendant’s candid confession at face
    value — that defendant acquired what he identified as
    alprazolam, took it, and felt good because the drug was indeed
    alprazolam. In sum, defendant’s own statement — along with
    the testimony of an experienced police officer and a criminalist
    — provides substantial evidence that defendant possessed the
    controlled substance alprazolam.
    In contesting the above, defendant draws our attention to
    an out-of-jurisdiction case, State v. Ward (2010) 
    364 N.C. 133
    [
    694 S.E.2d 738
    ]. The court in Ward held that, under North
    Carolina’s evidentiary rules, expert testimony relying solely on
    visual inspection for drug identification is insufficiently reliable
    to be admitted. (Id. at p. 739.) Ward is accordingly a case about
    reliability, not sufficiency of the evidence. As defendant never
    challenged Rienhardt’s testimony on reliability grounds under
    sections 801 or 802 of the California Evidence Code, Ward is
    inapposite to the matter at hand.
    Although he attempts to rely on Ward, defendant concedes
    that he does not “claim that chemical analysis is required in
    every case.” When a chemical analysis is not offered, however,
    defendant asserts that “because of the prevalence of counterfeit
    drugs on the street that do not contain active ingredients,”
    “there must be some additional circumstantial evidence in the
    record that a particular pill is legitimate.” According to
    defendant, had the pills been “found in a prescription bottle or
    in a container bearing information about the producer,” then
    perhaps “a visual identification [would have been] sufficient.”
    But because the pills were found wrapped in cellophane,
    defendant suggests that chemical testing was needed. Yet, it is
    unclear why a prescription bottle — which may be as easily
    counterfeited as the drugs themselves — should serve as
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    sufficient    “additional    circumstantial     evidence”      when
    defendant’s admission that the pills were “Xanibars” and made
    him feel good does not. Because both circumstances tend to
    make it less likely that the pills were “counterfeit drugs . . . that
    do not contain active ingredients,” we reject defendant’s attempt
    to draw a rigid distinction between the two.
    Finally, defendant faults Rienhardt for not ruling out the
    possibility of counterfeits by testifying, for example, “that the
    pills had distinguishing characteristics that differentiated them
    from counterfeit pills.” On direct examination, Rienhardt stated
    his opinion that the pills contained alprazolam and the basis for
    his opinion. He was not required at that point to anticipate and
    address possible challenges to the basis of his opinion. In other
    words, it was incumbent on defendant to elicit from Rienhardt
    whether “the pills had distinguishing characteristics that
    differentiated them from counterfeit pills” if he wished the jury
    to draw the conclusion that the drugs were counterfeits. This
    defendant did not do.
    Indeed, defendant did not argue a counterfeit theory at
    trial. He did not question either Sergeant Simmont’s testimony
    or cast doubt on his own admission that he took “the pills . . . ,
    the bars[,] the Xanibars.” At most, he suggested to Rienhardt
    that the pills “could be something else,” and Rienhardt
    responded with a reason why he did not think the pills were
    other than what they appeared to be. Despite Rienhardt’s
    response, defendant never followed up by mentioning
    counterfeits, “the prevalence of counterfeit drugs on the street,”
    or even that the pills may have been purchased on the street.
    On this record, the jury evidently rejected the inference that the
    pills were something other than what they appeared to be, and
    we cannot say as a matter of law this was unreasonable. (Accord
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    Vest v. United States (D.C. 2006) 
    905 A.2d 263
    , 267-268
    [“Appellant’s argument might be more persuasive if there had
    been some evidence that the substance sold . . . was not, in fact,
    what it was purported to be. Here, there is not even a hint [of]
    that”]; Espinoza, supra, 23 Cal.App.5th at p. 323; Bailey, supra,
    Cal.App.4th at pp. 464-465 [“The reality of this case is the issue
    raised on appeal concerning whether this was base cocaine was
    not even the focus of dispute in the trial court”]; contra People v.
    Wright (2016) 
    4 Cal.App.5th 537
    , 541-544, 547 [reversing a
    judgment for lack of substantial evidence when an expert’s
    testimony was the only evidence supporting the judgment and
    the analytical gap between the material the expert relied upon
    and the conclusion he drew was an issue heavily litigated at
    trial].)
    In sum, having found that the trial court did not err in
    admitting the criminalist’s testimony, we further find that his
    testimony and other circumstantial evidence support
    defendant’s conviction.
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    PEOPLE v. VEAMATAHAU
    Opinion of the Court by Cantil-Sakauye, C. J.
    III. DISPOSITION
    For the reasons discussed herein, we affirm the judgment
    of the Court of Appeal.
    CANTIL-SAKAUYE, C. J.
    We Concur:
    CHIN, J.
    CORRIGAN, J.
    LIU, J.
    CUÉLLAR, J.
    KRUGER, J.
    GROBAN, J.
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    See next page for addresses and telephone numbers for counsel who argued in Supreme Court.
    Name of Opinion People v. Veamatahau
    __________________________________________________________________________________
    Unpublished Opinion
    Original Appeal
    Original Proceeding
    Review Granted XXX 
    24 Cal.App.5th 68
    Rehearing Granted
    __________________________________________________________________________________
    Opinion No. S249872
    Date Filed: February 27, 2020
    __________________________________________________________________________________
    Court: Superior
    County: San Mateo
    Judge: Barbara J. Mallach
    __________________________________________________________________________________
    Counsel:
    Cynthia M. Jones, under appointment by the Supreme Court, for Defendant and Appellant.
    Mary K. McComb, State Public Defender, Barry P. Helft, Chief Deputy State Public Defender, and
    William Whaley, Deputy State Public Defender, for the Office of the State Public Defender as Amicus
    Curiae on behalf of Defendant and Appellant.
    Xavier Becerra, Attorney General, Gerald A. Engler, Chief Assistant Attorney General, Jeffrey M.
    Laurence, Assistant Attorney General, Laurence K. Sullivan, Donna M. Provenzano, Eric D. Share and
    Huy T. Luong, Deputy Attorneys General, for Plaintiff and Respondent.
    Counsel who argued in Supreme Court (not intended for publication with opinion):
    Cynthia M. Jones
    19363 Willamette Dr., #194
    West Linn, OR 97068
    (858) 793-9800
    Donna M. Provenzano
    Supervising Deputy Attorney General
    455 Golden Gate Avenue, Suite 11000
    San Francisco, CA 94102-7004
    (415) 510-3844