People v. Trujillo CA5 ( 2022 )


Menu:
  • Filed 2/22/22 P. v. Trujillo CA5
    NOT TO BE PUBLISHED IN THE OFFICIAL REPORTS
    California Rules of Court, rule 8.1115(a), prohibits courts and parties from citing or relying on opinions not certified for
    publication or ordered published, except as specified by rule 8.1115(b). This opinion has not been certified for publication
    or ordered published for purposes of rule 8.1115.
    IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
    FIFTH APPELLATE DISTRICT
    THE PEOPLE,
    F077583
    Plaintiff and Respondent,
    (Super. Ct. No. MCR046166)
    v.
    JESUS GONZALEZ TRUJILLO,                                                           OPINION
    Defendant and Appellant.
    APPEAL from a judgment of the Superior Court of Madera County. Dale J. Blea,
    Judge.
    Carlo Andreani, under appointment by the Court of Appeal, for Defendant and
    Appellant.
    Xavier Becerra, Attorney General, Lance E. Winters, Chief Assistant Attorney
    General, Michael P. Farrell, Assistant Attorney General, Catherine Chatman and
    Cameron M. Goodman, Deputy Attorneys General, for Plaintiff and Respondent.
    -ooOoo-
    Appellant Jesus Gonzalez Trujillo was convicted by jury of two counts of forcible
    lewd and lascivious acts against a child 14 years or younger (Pen. Code, 1 § 288,
    1        Further undesignated statutory references are to the Penal Code.
    subd. (b)(1); counts 2 & 6) against two separate victims, and one count of lewd and
    lascivious acts against a child 14 years or younger (§ 288, subd. (a); count 3) against a
    third victim. The jury also found true as to all counts that appellant committed the
    offenses against multiple victims (§ 667.61, subds. (b) & (e)(4)). Appellant was
    sentenced to consecutive indeterminate terms of 15 years to life on each count, for an
    aggregate term of 45 years to life.
    On appeal, appellant argues his convictions on counts 2 and 3 must be reversed
    because the trial court erred by admitting statements that he made to law enforcement and
    by excluding expert testimony on false confessions. Appellant also contends his
    conviction on count 6 must be reversed because the prosecution’s theory at the
    preliminary hearing was “inconsistent and irreconcilable” with their theory at trial and
    because the jury was misinstructed on how to evaluate evidence of uncharged acts.
    We conclude appellant’s statements to law enforcement were taken in violation of
    Miranda v. Arizona (1966) 
    384 U.S. 436
     (Miranda), and the court reversibly erred by
    allowing them to be admitted into evidence. We therefore reverse appellant’s convictions
    on counts 2 and 3 and remand for a new trial. As such, we conclude appellant’s
    contention regarding the expert testimony is moot and do not reach its merits. In all other
    respects, the judgment is affirmed.
    FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
    Appellant was charged with sexual crimes against four minor victims: E.G., Y.S.,
    Li.R., and Lo.R. Appellant was charged with forcible lewd and lascivious acts against a
    child 14 years or younger (§ 288, subd. (b)(1)) against E.G. (count 2), Li.R. (count 5),
    and Lo.R. (count 6) and a lewd and lascivious act against a child 14 years or younger
    (§ 288, subd. (a)) against Y.S. (count 3).2
    2      Appellant was also charged with violations of section 288.7 against E.G. (count 1)
    and Li.R. (count 4), but following their case-in-chief, the People moved to dismiss both
    2.
    Count 2
    E.G. was appellant’s stepdaughter. She testified that on one occasion, when she
    was approximately five or six years old, appellant had initiated a game of hide and seek
    with her and her brother. E.G.’s brother went outside to count, and appellant suggested
    he and E.G. hide under the bed. Once they were under the bed, appellant pulled down
    E.G.’s underwear and put his penis inside her. E.G.’s mother, appellant’s wife, Ester,
    testified that on one occasion when E.G. was five years old, she washed blood out of
    E.G.’s underwear.
    Count 3
    Y.S. testified that she lived with Ester, appellant, and their children when she was
    a child. On one occasion, when Y.S. was about five or six years old, appellant took Y.S.
    into his room, where he got on top of her and grabbed her and kissed her. Ester tried to
    open the door while this was happening, but appellant held the door closed. Appellant
    held Y.S. against the floor with his hands on her wrists. He then put Y.S. outside the
    window before Ester was able to get inside.
    A.G., one of appellant’s stepdaughters, testified that on one occasion, she was
    trying to open the door to the bedroom the family shared but was unable to open it all the
    way. She saw appellant on top of Y.S., and he was holding the door semi-closed with his
    head. Ester came and opened the door, and Y.S. was gone when they entered the room.
    Count 5
    Li.R. was Ester’s niece. She lived with Ester and appellant’s family when she was
    a child. She testified that when she was in fourth grade, she was playing with appellant
    and Ester’s young daughter when appellant came into the room. Appellant’s daughter
    counts as the statute had not been enacted at the time the acts were alleged to have
    occurred, and the court granted the motion.
    3.
    left the room, and appellant pushed Li.R. against the wall, pulled down her skirt, and put
    his penis inside her. He stopped when his daughter re-entered the room.
    Lo.R., Li.R.’s brother, testified he saw appellant having sexual intercourse with
    Li.R. on an occasion when Li.R. had been playing with appellant’s daughter. He and
    Li.R. had never talked about this incident.
    Li.R. and Lo.R.’s father and Ester’s brother, Gabriel, testified he had seen
    appellant “playing with” or pinching Li.R.’s breasts.
    Count 6
    Lo.R. testified that he had inappropriate sexual contact with appellant on two
    separate occasions. On the first occasion, appellant grabbed Lo.R. and placed him on
    appellant’s lap. Appellant proceeded to move Lo.R.’s leg on appellant’s penis and Lo.R.
    felt appellant get “a boner.” Appellant kept Lo.R. on his lap for around three minutes,
    then appellant said he had to use the restroom.
    The second occasion occurred when Lo.R. was approximately nine and a half
    years old. Appellant got a phone call, and Lo.R. brought appellant the phone and waited
    for him to finish so he could take the phone back. When appellant was finished with the
    call, he told Lo.R. to come closer. When Lo.R. did, appellant grabbed Lo.R. and put him
    in his lap and asked him if Lo.R. “remember[ed].” Lo.R. told appellant he did not
    remember, and appellant let Lo.R. go and told him not to tell anyone. According to Lo.R.
    “nothing” happened when he was on appellant’s lap during the second occasion.
    Evidence of Uncharged Acts
    A.G. testified as to a few incidents which were presented as uncharged acts
    tending to show appellant’s propensity to commit sexual offenses under Evidence Code
    section 1108. She testified that when she was in seventh or eighth grade, her family went
    to the park, and she did not want to get out of the vehicle when they arrived. Her siblings
    had gotten out of the car, and appellant turned around from the front seat and tickled her.
    Appellant was trying to touch A.G.’s breast, and she felt uncomfortable and exited the
    4.
    vehicle. She also testified about another time while she was with her family at a river
    climbing a tree, and appellant grabbed and touched her butt. On another occasion, she
    was in her room looking for something in her closet, and appellant came up behind her
    and squeezed her breasts.
    Pretext calls
    During the investigation, law enforcement had E.G. and A.G. perform pretext
    phone calls to appellant, which were recorded and played for the jury.
    E.G.’s pretext call was conducted on April 29, 2013. E.G. told appellant she told a
    counselor “what happened.” Appellant told E.G. that he did not know “why you do those
    things,” he loved her, and she ruined his life because he cannot see his daughter due to
    the allegations. When E.G. told appellant she wanted him to apologize, appellant said he
    did not remember what happened and that he “was stupid” and “drunk.” He then told her
    “if it was like that, I am sorry, [] I ask you to forgive me.” Appellant continued to tell her
    he did not remember anything but that if he touched her, he was sorry. When E.G. asked
    appellant why he touched her, appellant responded, “What do I know, sweetie? It was
    the damn alcohol. Oh.” Appellant continued to deny remembering anything specific.
    A.G.’s call was conducted on April 30, 2013. A.G. told appellant she was in
    counseling, and her counselor said that he had to admit what he did. Appellant told A.G.
    that E.G. had already called him and he told her he “ ‘d[idn’t] remember any of that.’ ”
    A.G. then asked appellant if he remembered when she saw him with “Pili or Popi or one
    of them” and appellant responded, “But you don’t have anything to do with that girl.”
    A.G. asked appellant if he remembered touching her at the river when she was climbing a
    tree, and he told her he did not remember. He continued to deny remembering doing
    anything to her.
    5.
    Appellant’s Police Interview
    Appellant gave two statements to the police on May 9, 2013, which were recorded
    and played for the jury. Appellant initially denied any sexual conduct and that he had
    only tickled A.G. when they were at a river.
    Eventually, appellant admitted on one occasion Y.S.3 pulled him toward her,
    causing him to fall on top of her, and told him she wanted to “make love.” Appellant
    caressed her back and her leg, touched her buttocks, and rubbed his penis against her
    through the fly of his pants. He stated there was no penetration, but he was tempted.
    A.G. and Ester were at the door when this was happening.
    Appellant also admitted that on one occasion he came home late, drunk and high
    and put his finger into E.G.’s vagina.
    The defense relied on the state of the evidence presented by the prosecution and
    did not present any additional evidence.
    The jury was unable to reach a verdict on count 5 involving Li.R., and the court
    declared a mistrial as to that count. The jury returned guilty verdicts on the remaining
    counts: 2, 3, and 6.
    DISCUSSION
    I.     Admission of Appellant’s Statements to Law Enforcement
    A.     Circumstances of the Interviews
    Appellant sought to exclude appellant’s statements to law enforcement, and the
    court conducted an Evidence Code section 402 hearing to determine their admissibility.
    Sergeant Josh Chavez testified he was a qualified Spanish interpreter and was
    called to assist Detective Brent Cederquist in his investigation of appellant. On May 8,
    2013, Chavez called appellant to see if he would come in to speak with him; he told
    3      Chavez and appellant speak about Y.S. using her nickname throughout the
    interview.
    6.
    appellant he would like to ask him some questions and talk to him about “some
    allegations.” Appellant agreed to come in that afternoon, but Chavez ended up having to
    reschedule, and appellant said he would call Chavez the next day. The next morning,
    however, appellant arrived unannounced at the police station.
    Chavez met appellant in the police department lobby and was wearing slacks, a
    button-up shirt and tie. He took appellant into an interview room. The interview room
    was about 10 feet by 10 feet and contained a steel table and a couple of chairs. Detective
    Cederquist was in the room initially but was in and out throughout the interview. Chavez
    offered appellant some water and gave him his business card. Chavez asked appellant if
    he could slightly close the door, and appellant agreed.
    The interview was recorded and conducted in Spanish, which was later transcribed
    into English. No Miranda advisements were given. Chavez began by introducing
    himself and Cederquist to appellant. He informed appellant he was not under arrest and
    asked appellant if he understood, to which appellant responded, “Yes‒yes–no….”
    Chavez told appellant he was not detained and that he had asked appellant to come in
    voluntarily, to which appellant responded, “yes.” At this point, Chavez said to
    Cederquist, “I’m doing the Beheler.”
    Chavez told appellant to tell him if he felt uncomfortable and that he was just
    going to ask appellant “a few questions.” Chavez asked appellant if he felt if he was
    under arrest, and appellant replied he did not.
    Chavez began asking appellant some personal history questions like appellant’s
    name and date of birth. Appellant told Chavez and Cederquist he did not speak any
    English, was 39 years old, came to the United States from Mexico 10 years’ prior, and
    had not had any trouble with the law. Chavez then began asking appellant about his
    family members, and appellant shared several details about his difficult childhood.
    Chavez then asked appellant if he knew why Chavez had asked him to come in.
    Appellant responded by saying that three or four weeks ago, police officers had gone to
    7.
    his house, based on accusations E.G. had made and served him with a seven-day
    restraining order. Chavez told appellant Chavez wanted to resolve the accusations and
    that appellant was not “a criminal,” as he was “not killing people or—or robbing homes.”
    Chavez told appellant he had spoken to both E.G. and A.G. and now wanted appellant to
    “be free of legal problems.” Appellant told Chavez he did not understand what he was
    being accused of, and Chavez said the children were saying appellant touched their
    “breasts and their private parts.” Chavez explained he had spoken to the children
    separately and they had detailed memories of what happened. Appellant stated he did not
    remember anything happening, to which Chavez responded, “For me, something
    happened.”
    Chavez then spoke at length, with appellant only interjecting occasionally with
    “Mm-hm” or “Yes sir.” Throughout this portion of the interview, Chavez made several
    appeals to appellant to speak about the accusations, stating “we have to resolve [this]
    now”; “[w]e have to sort this out now”; “we must … be honest”; and “this is the time to
    explain.” Chavez told appellant he understood what appellant was going through because
    he too was “a man” and understood appellant had “mental traumas” from when he was a
    child and that appellant may be embarrassed.
    Chavez told appellant he knew “that something happened” and that “[w]e have to
    talk about why this happened. Not whether this happened but what was going through
    [appellant’s] mind.” Chavez posited appellant may have done it because he was young or
    under the influence of alcohol, but whatever the reason Chavez reiterated he wanted to
    know “not if it happened, but why, so it’s explained and so that you can move on and you
    can build a life with your daughter.” Chavez told appellant that if the police had wanted
    to arrest him the day they served the restraining order on appellant, he would “be in jail.”
    Eventually appellant said, “Sir look, I will tell you this from the bottom of my
    heart—from the bottom of my heart. I used to have a lot of drinking problems,” “but one
    time I tickled [A.G.]” Appellant insisted that was the only thing he could remember
    8.
    doing. Appellant stated that if he could remember doing anything else for certain, he
    would surrender himself. Chavez told appellant that when appellant spoke to the girls on
    the pretext calls, he “recalled other things as well.” Chavez went on to tell appellant he
    did not want to stop appellant from “ever seeing [his] daughter ever again” and explained
    that if the court thought appellant was “a risk to the family,” he “will never see those
    people again, ever again.” Chavez said appellant’s “situation” was not the “best one” but
    “it could be better in the future” and that was the reason why Chavez was asking
    appellant the questions.
    Chavez asked appellant about some statements he made during the pretext phone
    calls, and appellant continued to deny remembering anything that happened. Chavez then
    asked appellant if he needed any water and left the room. When he returned, Chavez
    reminded appellant he was not under arrest, not detained, and was there voluntarily.
    Appellant responded, “That’s fine. Don’t you worry about that.” Chavez then asked for
    details about the incident where appellant tickled A.G.
    Chavez then told appellant to assume he had spoken to Y.S. and another child he
    referred to as Popes and asked appellant what he thought they may have told him.
    Appellant stated that one time when he was drunk, Y.S. pulled him towards her and he
    fell on top of her. Chavez asked appellant what he thought Y.S. told Chavez about that
    incident, and appellant responded, “Perhaps that I touched her, too?” to which Chavez
    responded, “But we both know that something else happened.” Appellant denied that
    stating, “Not with [Y.S.], sir.” Chavez insisted “[s]omething happened” and that he
    wanted the case to be over but it could not be put to an end “until everything is checked.”
    Chavez again told appellant he was “not trying to find out if it happened” because
    he “already kn[ew] that it did happen.” He stated he “ha[d] enough evidence saying that
    it did happen. Three or more witnesses.” Chavez asked appellant about a girl named
    Locadia, and appellant explained she used to live in the same house as he did, and she
    would put her leg on top of his foot, and he did not pull his foot away when she did so.
    9.
    Chavez asked if he had had sex with her, and appellant responded, “No sir. No. Nothing
    like that.”
    Appellant gave more details about the incident with Y.S. He stated that when he
    fell on top of Y.S., she told him to get up “or people will think we’re making love.”
    Chavez pointed out that Y.S. would have been five or six years old at the time and
    expressed confusion as to how she would know about “making love.” Appellant insisted
    she said it, as well as something similar on another occasion. Chavez responded by
    saying, “So the child was a little dirty.” Chavez went on to say some children grew up
    fast “but there’s a difference between touching a child and making love by force,” to
    which appellant responded, “Yes of course.” Chavez said, “A child who is a little dirty”
    was a “different” situation. He again told appellant he “kn[ew] that something happened”
    and the question was “whether you forced her or if she was looking for you.”
    Chavez continued to ask for details about what happened with Y.S., and asked
    appellant if Y.S. “looked for [him]” and “wanted to make love with [him],” to which
    appellant replied, “Yes.” Chavez went on to state that “things happen” and that appellant
    “didn’t rape her.” In response, appellant told Chavez “[p]enetration never happened.”
    Chavez told appellant that “[s]omething sexual” happened. Appellant responded, “No.
    No…” and denied Chavez’s suggestion that appellant kissed Y.S.
    Appellant then told Chavez that Y.S. said to him, “Let’s make love. Let’s make
    love.” Appellant admitted “stay[ing] for a little longer” but denied “penetration or
    anything.” Appellant denied pulling Y.S.’s pants down, and Chavez told him, “It’s okay
    if you pulled them down.” Appellant again denied doing so. He also denied touching
    Y.S.’s breasts but admitted to touching her buttocks.
    Chavez told appellant he knew “when a child behaves like that it’s tough for a
    man to control himself.” Chavez told him rape was different from “her wanting it.”
    Chavez went on to tell appellant that he wanted appellant to “look like a man who tells
    the truth. This and that happened, but it wasn’t forced. Both sides wanted it.” Appellant
    10.
    responded, “Right.” Chavez went on to say, “So I need to hear some details about that
    day in order to decipher that it happened but it wasn’t forced. It wasn’t—you didn’t tie
    her down, you didn’t cover her mouth or anything like that.” Appellant responded, “No.”
    Chavez explained he wanted to hear “details” because “forced rape is different
    than making love when both parties want it,” adding “[a]t any age” and that he wanted to
    know “the truth.” Chavez told appellant he “kn[ew] that something other tha[n] simply
    touching [Y.S.’s] buttocks happened.” Appellant responded, “Well I’m telling you that I
    caressed her here [referring to the back]. That’s true.” Appellant again stated he touched
    Y.S.’s buttocks and admitted that his “hand did stay there for a while.” Chavez again
    asked appellant if he kissed her, which appellant denied.
    Chavez continued to ask about the details of the incident with Y.S. and told
    appellant he “must be honest” with Chavez. Chavez told appellant if he “sa[id] no and it
    was that way, then it can go wrong.” Chavez told appellant if he touched Y.S. a little
    “that’s okay,” but he needed to know the truth. When appellant denied grabbing Y.S.’s
    buttocks, Chavez responded he “need[ed] to know everything that happened.”
    Appellant denied touching “Popes” and stated that Y.S. was the “only child” he
    touched. Chavez told appellant he “kn[ew] that something else happened” and he did not
    want to represent appellant as a liar. Chavez told appellant to tell him what happened so
    he could write down “that it wasn’t forced.”
    Chavez told appellant to remember that multiple children were accusing him and
    that Chavez could not believe appellant because he knew “more happened.” Chavez said
    “something has to happen and we have to resolve this and stop talking about whether it
    happened but instead about why these things happened. Why did it happen with [Y.S.]?
    Why did it happen with [A.G.]? And why did it happen with … [E.G.]?”
    Appellant responded “with [A.G.] nothing happened. Nothing happened
    whatsoever.” Chavez told appellant he “need[ed]” appellant to “tell [Chavez] the truth,”
    11.
    and that appellant “can’t continue lying anymore.” Chavez stated that if nothing
    happened with A.G., “we need to leave that to rest.”
    Chavez continued to ask if anything sexual happened with the other girls, which
    appellant denied, stating “only [Y.S.] once.”
    Chavez continued to press appellant for “the truth.” Chavez said, “We have to
    move forward already. I don’t want to go to court and say, [appellant] says that all of the
    children are liars, that nothing happened and that he didn’t do anything.” Chavez asked
    appellant how he thought a judge would see that. Appellant continued to deny having sex
    with Locadia and that he had just touched Y.S.
    Chavez asked appellant if he had sex with Y.S. and to “[j]ust [tell] the truth.”
    Appellant responded he did rub a little against her leg but there was no “penetration.”
    Chavez continued to ask about the incident and appellant stated he had taken his penis
    out through the fly and touched her leg over her pants but continued to deny penetration.
    At one point Chavez asked appellant “[a]nd you never put it inside?” When appellant
    said, “No,” Chavez responded by saying, “The truth.” Appellant again denied several
    times that he penetrated Y.S. Chavez told appellant it was “okay” to tell him “the truth.”
    Eventually, appellant admitted, “There was a temptation.”
    Chavez then began asking appellant about E.G. Chavez told appellant she
    “already said what happened” in an interview “[w]ith a professional.” Chavez suggested
    that perhaps E.G. loved appellant more like a boyfriend than a father and that “[t]hose
    things happen.” Chavez told appellant “if something happened, if it was an accident or
    something, we have to know about that, too.”
    Appellant then described an incident where he told E.G., “ ‘There’s my
    girlfriend,’ ” and E.G. hugged him and said, “ ‘I am your girlfriend.’ ” Appellant
    explained it was “nothing more than that. With [E.G.] that was it.” Chavez asked
    appellant if he was sure and after appellant denied anything else happened, Chavez told
    12.
    appellant E.G. said something happened, and that appellant’s wife was suffering but “all
    of this has to come up.”
    Appellant then started to describe an incident with E.G. when he came home at
    3:00 a.m. and touched her. Chavez said he “kn[e]w something else happened with [E.G.]
    and it wasn’t your fault but it did happen.” Appellant denied anything happening in
    relation to a game of hide and seek.
    Chavez continued to question appellant and told him “[i]f it happened all of a
    sudden because your pulse was racing, you were sexually aroused, that’s what I want to
    hear. Because if you say, ‘No, nothing happened.’ I have to think about the worst.” He
    went on, “I have to think, ‘He’s a rapist.’ He can’t even admit what he did, then how can
    I believe him? If he didn’t do it with ill intentions or evil. If something happened,
    because you were drunk, it was an accident, perhaps it got out of hand. That’s
    important.” Chavez went on, “Or else without that I have to think that it happened and
    you’re a bad guy. You did it for evil, you wanted to hurt them and you wanted to rape
    them violently. Do you understand me?” Appellant responded, “Yes sir, I do.”
    Chavez then asked appellant a few questions about his sexual relationship with his
    wife, and then told appellant, “I want an explanation about what happened and why did it
    happen. I want to know what happened and why? Do you understand me?” Appellant
    responded, “I do. With [E.G.], the truth is that….” Chavez interrupted appellant to say
    that he knew something happened and that appellant knew it too, that the truth needed to
    come out, and Chavez did not think appellant “did it because you’re mean.” Appellant
    eventually said, “Look I will tell you something, sir.” He then went on to describe an
    incident where he got home drunk and high on cocaine and caressed E.G. He said he
    remembered putting his finger inside her vagina. Chavez then questioned appellant about
    the details of the incident, including what E.G. was wearing, whether appellant pulled
    E.G.’s panties down, whether appellant also put his penis in E.G.’s vagina, and how
    much of appellant’s finger went into E.G.’s vagina. After appellant gave those details,
    13.
    Chavez told appellant he would “give [appellant] a moment” and the recording ended.
    The interview lasted about an hour and 30 minutes.
    After the interview, Chavez thanked appellant and escorted him to the lobby.
    Chavez immediately contacted other officers and asked them to take appellant into
    custody based on the things appellant said in his interview. Appellant was arrested
    within a minute of leaving the building. When the court asked Chavez why he did not
    arrest appellant in the interview room, Chavez responded that based on his training and
    experience he could have done that, but his chosen approach was acceptable as well.
    Chavez testified that he concluded the interview as soon as he made the decision to arrest
    appellant.
    Upon his arrest, appellant was immediately brought back inside the interview
    room and Chavez read appellant his Miranda rights from his department-issued card in
    Spanish. Chavez told appellant, “[L]isten to me. You have the right to remain silent, do
    you understand? Anything you say can be used against you in a court of law, you have
    the right to have an attorney before and during the questioning, do you understand? If
    you can’t afford an attorney, one will be appointed to you before any questioning, do you
    understand?” Appellant, who had not spoken since Chavez began reading the card, said
    “Okay.” Cederquist then began questioning appellant, while Chavez assisted him with
    interpreting.
    Cederquist told Chavez to tell appellant that E.G. had undergone an interview
    where she disclosed what happened between appellant and her, and that he wanted
    appellant to tell him what happened between appellant and E.G. Chavez relayed to
    appellant that Cederquist “wants to know what happened with [E.G.] that is different to
    what you have already said.” Appellant replied, “Just that, sir.” Chavez told Cederquist
    “Just what … he had said to me.” Cederquist then asked about an incident where
    appellant was under the bed with E.G. Appellant stated he did not remember the incident
    and that E.G. was “lying because we have never had any bed.”
    14.
    Cederquist then stated, “Well he [referring to appellant]—he already said that
    he—he touched her vagina correct?” Chavez relayed the question to appellant, to which
    appellant responded, “Yes, that, yes.” Appellant then stated that incident happened in the
    bedroom and he had used drugs and was very drunk. Cederquist told appellant E.G.
    stated he put his penis inside her, which appellant denied. Appellant stated it was a one-
    time incident with E.G.
    Cederquist asked if it had happened “with other … young girls as well?”
    Appellant responded, “No, besides them, no.” Chavez asked “Besides [E.G.], [Y.S.]?”
    Appellant responded, “No, not besides them. They are the only ones….” Chavez then
    asked, “And you had sex with [Y.S.],” to which appellant responded, “No.” Chavez
    asked appellant if he just touched her leg, to which appellant responded, “I just touched
    her leg, just like I told you, sir.” Chavez relayed to Cederquist that “[appellant] says the
    only person he’s ever had sex with anyone and just touched—feeling on her thigh with
    the inner thigh with his penis and he fingered or used his pinkie to rub the inside of her
    vagina on [was] [E.G.]”
    Cederquist then continued asking appellant if anything else happened with E.G.,
    and appellant said, “That was the only thing,” which Chavez interpreted to Cederquist as
    “Just the tip of his pinkie.” Appellant denied penile-vaginal penetration with any child.
    Cederquist then asked Chavez if appellant had ever touched A.G. Without relaying the
    question to appellant, Chavez told Cederquist that appellant had just tickled her.
    Cederquist encouraged appellant to tell the whole truth and not just a piece of the
    truth, and appellant continued to deny any penile-vaginal penetration and denied touching
    A.G. Cederquist then began asking questions about the incident appellant had already
    disclosed regarding E.G. Appellant stated E.G. kissed his lips and that he “accept[s] that
    [he] touched [E.G.] a little bit.”
    Cederquist asked, “And did you guys discuss, uh, the other girl?” Without
    relaying the question to appellant, Chavez asked Cederquist if he meant Locadia, to
    15.
    which Chavez replied, “Yeah”, “What happened with her?” Chavez, again without
    relaying to appellant stated, “No sex.” The interview was then terminated. It lasted
    about 25 minutes.
    The trial court found appellant’s statements from both interviews admissible. As
    to the first interview, the court pointed out the primary issue was whether the
    interrogation was custodial so as to require Miranda advisements. The court indicated
    the test it was applying is whether a reasonable person would have believed his or her
    freedom of movement was significantly affected by the interview. The court stated it
    considered the following factors which it believed weighed in the favor of finding the
    interrogation custodial: the length of the interview was one hour and 34 minutes;
    appellant was a suspect and not a mere witness; accusations were made during the
    interview; and Chavez indicated he did not believe appellant was telling the truth.
    The court then identified factors that indicated the interview was not custodial:
    appellant voluntarily appeared, having driven himself to the police station, and there was
    no evidence his car keys were ever taken; the door to the interview room was not
    completely closed; Chavez told appellant numerous times he was not under arrest;
    appellant told Chavez he did not feel he was under arrest; appellant was never physically
    restrained; the detectives did not “tag-team” appellant; at one point during the interview,
    Chavez and Cederquist left appellant in the interview room for three minutes with the
    door open; and the interview was not confrontational or coercive. Balancing the
    foregoing factors, the trial court concluded the interview was not conducted in a coercive
    atmosphere such that a reasonable person would have felt a restraint on his movement
    that was tantamount to arrest.
    As to the second interview, the trial court found appellant made a knowing,
    intelligent, and voluntary waiver of his Miranda rights. The court noted appellant was
    advised in his native language and “there was little risk of cultural misunderstandings,” as
    16.
    Chavez testified “he grew up speaking Spanish with his parents.” Further, the court
    noted appellant responded fully and completely to the questions posed by the officers.
    B.     Analysis
    1.     Admission of Appellant’s First Interview
    Appellant contends the court erred by admitting his first interview because it was
    taken in violation of Miranda. To protect a suspect’s Fifth Amendment right against self-
    incrimination, prior to a “custodial interrogation,” Miranda requires that law enforcement
    advise a suspect of the right to remain silent, that any statement made can be used against
    him or her in a court of law, that the suspect has the right to the presence of an attorney,
    and that if he or she cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed. (Miranda, supra,
    384 U.S. at p. 444; People v. McCurdy (2014) 
    59 Cal.4th 1063
    , 1085‒1086.) “A
    statement obtained in violation of a suspect’s Miranda rights may not be admitted to
    establish guilt in a criminal case.” (People v. Jackson (2016) 
    1 Cal.5th 269
    , 339.)
    The parties agree the interview was an “interrogation,” but disagree as to whether
    it was “custodial” so as to require that appellant be advised of his Miranda rights. We
    conclude the interview was custodial and Miranda advisements should have been given.
    We apply a mixed standard of review, in which we review for substantial evidence
    the trial court’s factual findings regarding the circumstances of the interrogation but
    independently determine whether a reasonable person in appellant’s position would have
    felt free to end the questioning and leave. (People v. Moore (2011) 
    51 Cal.4th 386
    , 394‒
    395.) “The facts surrounding an admission or confession are undisputed to the extent the
    interview is tape-recorded, making the issue subject to our independent review.” (People
    v. Linton (2013) 
    56 Cal.4th 1146
    , 1177.)
    It is well-settled that a setting is not “custodial” “simply because the questioning
    takes place in the station house, or because the questioned person is one whom the police
    suspect.” (Oregon v. Mathiason (1977) 
    429 U.S. 492
    , 495; California v. Beheler (1983)
    
    463 U.S. 1121
    , 1125 (Beheler).) The question is whether there is a “ ‘formal arrest or
    17.
    restraint on freedom of movement’ of the degree associated with a formal arrest.”
    (Beheler, at p. 1125.)
    When there has been no formal arrest, the inquiry is whether “under all of the
    objective circumstances, a reasonable person in the suspect’s position would have felt
    free to terminate the interrogation.” (People v. Caro (2019) 
    7 Cal.5th 463
    , 491 (Caro).)
    The inquiry looks at all objective circumstances. It does not depend “on the subjective
    views harbored by either the interrogating officers or the person being questioned.”
    (Stansbury v. California (1994) 
    511 U.S. 318
    , 323.)
    In making this determination, the location of the interrogation as well as whether
    the individual subject to the questioning is a suspect are relevant factors to consider.
    Other relevant factors are the duration of the interview, statements made during the
    interview, the presence or absence of physical restraints during the interview, whether the
    individual is permitted to leave at the end of the interview, and the nature and form of
    questioning. (Howes v. Fields (2012) 
    565 U.S. 499
    , 509; Caro, supra, 7 Cal.5th at
    pp. 491‒492.) Ultimately, though the question is “ ‘whether the relevant environment
    presents the same inherently coercive pressures as the type of station house questioning at
    issue in Miranda.’ ” (Caro, at p. 491.)
    Miranda’s concern with custodial interrogation was the “ ‘inherently compelling
    pressures,’ ” specifically the “psychological pressures ‘which work to undermine the
    individual’s will to resist and compel him to speak where he would not otherwise do so
    freely.’ ” (Maryland v. Shatzer (2010) 
    559 U.S. 98
    , 103.) The Miranda opinion focused
    heavily on the psychologically coercive nature of police questioning, discussing at length
    interrogation tactics outlined in police manuals.
    Miranda noted one of the main contributing factors to a psychologically coercive
    environment is privacy, and police are instructed that interviews should take place in the
    investigator’s office or a room of his or her own choosing. (Miranda, 
    supra,
     384 U.S. at
    p. 449.) Other techniques that contribute to such an environment include: (1) displaying
    18.
    “an air of confidence in the suspect’s guilt” and positing the guilt of the suspect “as a
    fact”; (2) directing comments “toward the reasons why the subject committed the act,
    rather than … whether he did it”; (3) pointing out difficulties in the subject’s life which
    may have led him or her to commit the offense; (4) minimization of the moral seriousness
    of the offense; and (5) casting blame on the victim. (Miranda, 
    supra,
     384 U.S. at p. 450.)
    The Miranda court explained “[t]hese tactics are designed to put the subject in a
    psychological state where his story is but an elaboration of what the police purport to
    know already—that he is guilty. Explanations to the contrary are dismissed and
    discouraged.” (Ibid.)
    Miranda also discussed other tactics including creating “an oppressive atmosphere
    of dogged persistence,” as well as offering legal excuses for the subject’s actions to
    obtain an initial admission. (Miranda, 
    supra,
     384 U.S. at p. 451.) Further techniques
    include a “friendly-unfriendly” two-investigator act and trickery. (Id. at pp. 452‒453.)
    Finally, Miranda noted investigators are instructed to “point out the incriminating
    significance of the suspect’s refusal to talk,” for example by saying, “ ‘Suppose you were
    in my shoes and I were in yours and you called me in to ask me about this and I told you,
    “I don’t want to answer any of your questions.” You’d think I had something to hide,
    and you’d probably be right in thinking that. That’s exactly what I’ll have to think about
    you, and so will everybody else. So let’s sit here and talk this whole thing over.’ ” (Id. at
    p. 454.)
    Courts have put significant weight on the nature of the questioning in determining
    whether an interrogation is custodial. “ ‘[A]ccusatory questioning is more likely to
    communicate to a reasonable person in the position of the suspect, that he is not free to
    leave’ than would general and neutral investigative questions. Thus, on the issue of
    custody, courts consider highly significant whether the questioning was brief, polite, and
    courteous or lengthy, aggressive, confrontational, threatening, intimidating, and
    accusatory.” (People v. Aguilera (1996) 
    51 Cal.App.4th 1151
    , 1164.) Relatively recent
    19.
    California cases have explained that though an interaction may start out voluntary, the
    nature of the questioning can turn it custodial. (See People v. Saldana (2018)
    
    19 Cal.App.5th 432
     (Saldana); People v. Torres (2018) 
    25 Cal.App.5th 162
    .)
    For example, Saldana presents a similar factual scenario to the one before us. In
    Saldana, the defendant was a 58-year-old Mexican immigrant with no notable criminal
    history whom two girls had accused him of molesting them. (Saldana, supra,
    19 Cal.App.5th at p. 436.) The police requested he come into the station for questioning,
    where the defendant was not given Miranda advisements but was told he was not under
    arrest “ ‘right now’ ” and was free to leave. (Saldana, at pp. 436‒437.) The police
    questioned the defendant for about 40 minutes, used several interrogation techniques
    including manifesting a belief that the defendant was guilty and indicating that all denials
    would fail. (Id. at p. 437.) The defendant made inculpatory admissions and was arrested
    a few minutes after the interview was concluded, about a block from the station. (Id. at
    p. 461.)
    The Saldana court explained, “Where … police indicate to the defendant their
    resolute belief he committed the crime, the custody inquiry becomes whether a
    reasonable person in the defendant’s situation—i.e., having been told by the police that
    they know he committed the crime—would think he was free to break off the interview
    and leave,” noting “[c]ourts have concluded that, under the circumstances of the
    particular case, advising the suspect that he was not under arrest and was free to leave
    was insufficient to support a conclusion that he was not in custody for purposes of
    Miranda. (See, e.g., U.S. v. Hashime (4th. Cir. 2013) 
    734 F.3d 278
    , 284 [telling the
    individual being interrogated he is free to leave ‘ “is not ‘talismanic’ or sufficient in and
    of itself to show a lack of custody” ’]; U.S. v. Cavazos (5th Cir. 2012) 
    668 F.3d 190
    , 195
    [] [same].)” (Saldana, supra, 19 Cal.App.5th at p. 458.)
    The Saldana court concluded in light of the relevant factors, putting significant
    weight on the nature of the interrogation, “a reasonable person in [the defendant’s]
    20.
    position eventually would have realized that telling the ‘truth’ meant admitting the
    detective’s information was correct—and that until this ‘truth’ came out, the person could
    not leave.” (Saldana, supra, 19 Cal.App.5th at p. 458.) The Saldana court explained the
    detective’s “insistence that [the defendant] was guilty, his disbelief of [the defendant’s]
    many denials, and his use of classic interrogation techniques reflects the sort of police-
    dominated atmosphere that Miranda warnings were intended to counteract…. [¶] Over
    and over again, [the detective] conveyed the message that [the defendant] had no
    meaningful choice but to admit some version of the crime because continued denials—in
    light of the extensive and irrefutable evidence against him—was simply futile. Insisting
    on the ‘truth’ until [the defendant] told him what he sought, the objective message
    conveyed was that [the defendant] would be interrogated until he admitted touching the
    girls.” (Id. at p. 460.) “[T]he accusatory nature of the questioning” in Saldana among
    the other relevant factors “objectively conveyed that [the defendant] was not free to
    leave.” (Id. at p. 462.)
    Applying the above principles to the present case, we acknowledge some factors
    weigh in favor of a finding the interrogation was not custodial: appellant voluntarily
    arrived at the police station and was not under formal arrest or physically restrained; the
    door to the interview room was open; and appellant indicated at the outset of the
    interview and about a third of the way through the interview he understood he was not
    under arrest. However, viewing these factors in context of the totality of the
    circumstances, keeping in mind the principles we have set forth above, we conclude the
    interrogation had become custodial by the time he began making inculpatory statements.
    First, the interview was conducted at the police station in an interview room, with
    only appellant and Chavez, and sometimes Cederquist, present. As Miranda explained,
    according to police manuals, this “privacy” helps “deprive[] [the suspect] of every
    psychological advantage” as opposed to his home where he “may be confident, indignant,
    21.
    or recalcitrant” and be “more keenly aware of his rights and more reluctant to tell of his
    indiscretions or criminal behavior.” (Miranda, 
    supra,
     384 U.S. at pp. 449‒450.)
    Second, not only was appellant a suspect, but he was the sole suspect. Multiple
    minor victims had accused him of sexual abuse, and the investigative object in speaking
    to appellant was not to learn any neutral details of the crime but to obtain a confession.
    Relevant to our analysis, which turns on what was objectively conveyed to appellant,
    appellant knew at the time of the interview he had been accused of molestation by at least
    E.G. and A.G. and potentially two others, and found out during the interview he had
    already been the subject of the pretext phone calls. Further, just as Chavez began to ask
    about the abuse allegations, he told appellant the police could have already arrested him
    if they had “wanted to,” in which case appellant would “be in jail” already and that
    Chavez already had “enough evidence” to prove he had committed the offenses. As the
    Saldana court explained: “ ‘ “The awareness of the person being questioned by an
    officer that … the police have ample cause to arrest him, may well lead him to conclude,
    as a reasonable person, that he is not free to leave, and that he has been significantly
    deprived of his freedom.” ’ ” (Saldana, supra, 19 Cal.App.5th at p. 458.)
    Chavez’s questioning about the allegations was exclusively accusatory; he never
    asked neutral or investigative questions about the allegations. Rather, once Chavez began
    asking appellant about the allegations, he used almost every technique specified in
    Miranda that the court suggested contributed to psychological coercion the safeguards of
    Miranda are meant to mitigate. Chavez posited appellant’s guilt as fact, consistently and
    repeatedly directed his questioning toward “why” “it happened,” not “whether it
    happened” because Chavez already “kn[ew] that it did happen.” He mentioned
    appellant’s difficult childhood stating it caused him “mental traumas” and presented
    multiple explanations for appellant’s behavior (“[w]as it … due to your youth that it
    happened or something … [o]r was it alcohol”); minimized the seriousness of the offense
    (“there’s a difference between touching a child and making love by force”); victim
    22.
    blamed (“[s]o the child was a little dirty”); and offered legal excuses (“forced rape is
    different than making love when both parties want to” “[a]t any age”). The above are just
    examples of each technique; the entire interview was replete with other iterations of these
    techniques and Chavez frequently switched between them, again, never relying on
    neutral, investigatory questioning.
    As the interview went on, Chavez started directly telling appellant he was lying
    when he outright denied particular sexual acts. Chavez also began suggesting appellant’s
    admissions were necessary to vindicate him of violent acts. He repeatedly said things
    like he “need[ed]” details so he could determine “it wasn’t forced.” Eventually, shortly
    before appellant admitted to digitally penetrating E.G., this suggestion became more
    concrete; Chavez told appellant, “If it happened all of a sudden because your pulse was
    racing, you were sexually aroused, that’s what I want to hear. Because if you say, ‘No,
    nothing happened.’ I have to think about the worst.” Chavez went on to say, “I have to
    think, ‘He’s a rapist.’ He can’t even admit what he did, then how can I believe him?”
    Chavez again told appellant if he did not tell him what happened, he would assume
    appellant “did it for evil, [that] you wanted to hurt them and you wanted to rape them
    violently.” In essence, Chavez gave appellant only two options: (1) admit he molested
    the children “because [he was] sexually aroused” or for some other reason; or (2) deny he
    molested the children and be considered a violent rapist. This technique is also
    significant because it hearkens back to another specifically mentioned by the Miranda
    court: “point[ing] out the incriminating significance of the suspect’s refusal to talk.”
    The interview here was like the one in Saldana where the combination of factors
    created “the sort of police-dominated atmosphere that Miranda warnings were intended
    to counteract.” (Saldana, supra, 19 Cal.App.5th at p. 460.) We conclude the culmination
    of this persistent and methodical accusatory questioning wherein Chavez employed
    varied interrogation techniques specifically highlighted in Miranda as being
    psychologically coercive, along with the factors that appellant was at the station and the
    23.
    sole suspect of the molestations, would lead a reasonable person to believe, despite being
    told he or she was not under arrest at the outset of the interview, that he or she was unable
    to leave until he or she gave the investigator the confession he wanted. We agree with
    the Saldana court’s assessment of the use of similar interrogation tactics to those used
    here: “These tactics are not unusual, nor are they unreasonable. In fact, if [the
    defendant] had been properly Mirandized and made the same confession, it might be
    called good police work. But such an interrogation is associated with ‘the full-blown
    interrogation of an arrestee, and except for a Miranda advisement, we cannot conceive
    how [the defendant’s] interrogation might have differed had he been under arrest.’ ”
    (Saldana, at p. 460.)
    Finally, weighing in favor of the setting being custodial, appellant was arrested
    within a minute of leaving the station. (See Oregon v. Mathiason, supra, 429 U.S. at
    p. 495 [finding significant in concluding a noncustodial setting that the suspect was able
    to “leave the police station without hindrance”]; Beheler, 
    supra,
     463 U.S. at p. 1121
    [same].)
    We conclude based on all the relevant factors, a reasonable person in appellant’s
    position would not have felt free to terminate the interview and leave, and therefore the
    first interview was custodial. Accordingly, appellant’s statements were taken in violation
    of Miranda and were inadmissible.
    2.        Admission of Appellant’s Second Interview
    As for the second interview, appellant contends that his Miranda waiver was
    invalid because it was involuntary due to Chavez “softening [him] up” by interrogation
    strategies such as minimization, manifested belief in his culpability, false advice and/or it
    was “vitiated by the initial unconstitutionality.” We agree with appellant the statements
    made in his second interview were inadmissible based upon the circumstances.
    Appellant contends the waiver obtained in the present case was like the one
    obtained and deemed to be invalid by the California Supreme Court in People v.
    24.
    Honeycutt (1977) 
    20 Cal.3d 150
     (Honeycutt). In Honeycutt, the defendant was arrested
    and placed in the backseat of a patrol car, transported to the police station, and placed in
    an interview room. (Id. at p. 158.) The defendant was initially hostile toward one of the
    detectives, who left the room. (Ibid.) Another detective, with whom the defendant was
    acquainted through previous police contacts engaged the defendant in a half-hour
    unrecorded discussion where they discussed unrelated past events, former acquaintances,
    and finally, the victim. (Ibid.) The detective began disparaging the victim, in an effort to
    “try to get [the defendant] to talk.” (Ibid.) The detective observed the defendant
    “softening up” and the defendant, after a 30 minute discussion, indicated he would talk
    about the crime for which he was arrested. (Ibid.) The defendant was then advised of his
    Miranda rights which he indicated he understood and waived. (Honeycutt, at p. 159.)
    The Honeycutt court found the “conversation-warning-interrogation sequence”
    used in that case should have been preceded by a Miranda advisement. The Honeycutt
    court relied on the following passage from Miranda to come to its conclusion:
    “ ‘Whatever the testimony of the authorities as to waiver of rights by an
    accused, the fact of lengthy interrogation or incommunicado incarceration
    before a statement is made is strong evidence that the accused did not
    validly waive his rights. In these circumstances the fact that the individual
    eventually made a statement is consistent with the conclusion that the
    compelling influence of the interrogation finally forced him to do so. It is
    inconsistent with any notion of a voluntary relinquishment of the privilege.
    Moreover, any evidence that the accused was threatened, tricked, or cajoled
    into a waiver will, of course, show that the defendant did not voluntarily
    waive his privilege. The requirement of warnings and waiver of rights is a
    fundamental with respect to the Fifth Amendment privilege and not simply
    a preliminary ritual to existing methods of interrogation.’ ” (Honeycutt,
    supra, 20 Cal.3d at pp. 159‒160.)
    The Honeycutt court reasoned: “The police by applying practices condemned in Miranda
    cannot be heard to contend that they should benefit because they have violated only the
    spirit of Miranda. It must be remembered that the purpose of Miranda is to preclude
    police interrogation unless and until a suspect has voluntarily waived his rights or has his
    25.
    attorney present. When the waiver results from a clever softening-up of a defendant
    through disparagement of the victim and ingratiating conversation, the subsequent
    decision to waive without a Miranda warning must be deemed to be involuntary for the
    same reason that an incriminating statement made under police interrogation without a
    Miranda warning is deemed to be involuntary.” (Honeycutt, supra, 20 Cal.3d at pp. 160‒
    161.) The Honeycutt court accordingly held the trial court erred when it refused to
    suppress the defendant’s statements. (Id. at p. 161.)
    Here, more than just a “conversation” like the one in Honeycutt preceded the
    Miranda advisements; rather, appellant was subject to a full-blown interrogation that
    involved much more than the “softening-up” of the Honeycutt defendant. Not only did
    the interrogation involve disparaging of the victims and rapport-building with appellant,
    but all the other interrogation techniques we have discussed above.
    It, too, appears from the record the lengthy first interview was a result of Chavez’s
    intentional effort to avoid reading appellant Miranda rights evidenced by Chavez’s
    characterization of the first interview as “doing the Beheler.” In Beheler, the defendant
    was attempting to steal from a victim who his acquaintance eventually shot and killed.
    (Beheler, supra, 463 U.S. at p. 1122.) The defendant called the police and told them who
    killed the victim and that the gun was hidden in the defendant’s backyard. (Ibid.) The
    defendant gave the police consent to search his yard, where the gun was found. (Ibid.)
    The defendant further agreed to accompany the police to the station house where he was
    told he was not under arrest, not advised of his Miranda rights, and was interviewed for
    less than 30 minutes. (Beheler, at p. 1222.) The defendant was told his statement would
    be evaluated by the district attorney, was permitted to leave, and was arrested five days
    later. (Ibid.) The United States Supreme Court held the unwarned statements were
    admissible in substantial part because the defendant was not under formal arrest or
    restrained when he made his statements.
    26.
    By indicating he was “doing the Beheler,” it appears Chavez intended to obtain
    incriminating statements from appellant without advising appellant of his Miranda rights
    by attempting to recreate the factual circumstances of Beheler by not arresting or
    restraining appellant and allowing him to leave before arresting him. We find this,
    combined with the custodial nature of the first interview which we have discussed above,
    clear evidence of an intent to circumvent at least the spirit of Miranda. We conclude this
    tactic resulted in a situation like Honeycutt where appellant was, as a result of the lengthy
    interview that had already taken place, inappropriately “softened up” into waiving his
    Miranda rights before the second interview.
    The present case is also analogous to the United States Supreme Court case,
    Missouri v. Seibert (2004) 
    542 U.S. 600
     (Seibert), where the court analyzed a “two-step
    interrogation” or “question-first” tactic of a suspect in custody. We find the analysis
    there instructive.
    In Seibert, the defendant was taken into custody and questioned without Miranda
    warnings for 30 to 40 minutes, during which the defendant made inculpatory statements.
    (Seibert, supra, 542 U.S. at pp. 604‒605 (plur. opn. of Souter, J.).) The defendant was
    then given a 20-minute coffee and cigarette break, given Miranda warnings, and signed a
    waiver of rights. (Seibert, at p. 605.) Seibert concluded the warned statements were
    inadmissible. The plurality explained that the circumstances “must be seen as
    challenging the comprehensibility and efficacy of the Miranda warnings to the point that
    a reasonable person in the suspect’s shoes would not have understood them to convey a
    message that she retained a choice about continuing to talk.” (Seibert, at p. 617.)
    The Seibert plurality listed several relevant factors to determine whether “Miranda
    warnings delivered midstream could be effective enough to accomplish their object: the
    completeness and detail of the questions and answers in the first round of interrogation,
    the overlapping content of the two statements, the timing and setting of the first and the
    second, the continuity of police personnel, and the degree to which the interrogator’s
    27.
    questions treated the second round as continuous with the first.” (Seibert, supra,
    542 U.S. at p. 615.) Also relevant is whether “a reasonable person in the suspect’s shoes
    could have seen the [second] questioning as a new and distinct experience,” rendering
    “the Miranda warnings … as presenting a genuine choice whether to follow up on the
    earlier admission.” (Id. at pp. 615‒616.)
    Justice Kennedy authored a concurring opinion expressing the view that the
    plurality’s test, which “envisions an objective inquiry from the perspective of the suspect,
    and applies in the case of both intentional and unintentional two-stage interrogations,”
    was too broad. (Seibert, 
    supra,
     
    542 U.S. 600
     at pp. 621‒622 (conc. opn. of Kennedy,
    J.).) Justice Kennedy proposed a “narrower test applicable only in the infrequent case …
    in which the two-step interrogation technique was used in a calculated way to undermine
    the Miranda warning.”4 (Id. at p. 622.) Justice Kennedy explained, “If the deliberate
    two-step strategy has been used, postwarning statements that are related to the substance
    of prewarning statements must be excluded unless curative measures are taken before the
    postwarning statement is made.” (Ibid.) Justice Kennedy’s examples of “curative
    measures” included, “a substantial break in time and circumstances between the
    prewarning statement and the Miranda warning may suffice in most circumstances, as it
    allows the accused to distinguish the two contexts and appreciate that the interrogation
    has taken a new turn. [Citations.] Alternatively, an additional warning that explains the
    likely inadmissibility of the prewarning custodial statement may be sufficient.” (Ibid.)
    4      This was the case in Seibert. There, the interrogating detective “testified that he
    made a ‘conscious decision’ to withhold Miranda warnings, thus resorting to an
    interrogation technique he had been taught: question first, then give the warnings, and
    then repeat the question ‘until I get the answer that she’s already provided once.’ ”
    (Seibert, supra, 542 U.S. at pp. 605‒606.)
    28.
    Under either Seibert approach, we find further reason to conclude appellant’s
    warned statements inadmissible. (See People v. Krebs (2019) 
    8 Cal.5th 265
    , 309
    [declining to decide which approach should be applied].)
    Applying the factors set forth by the plurality, we conclude the Miranda warnings
    given before the second interview could not have had their intended effect. The first
    interview was substantially longer and more involved than the second interview. The
    first interview was approximately an hour and 30 minutes long, and the second interview
    was approximately 25 minutes long. The transcript of the first interview was 60 pages
    long, and the second was 14 pages long. This difference is even more stark when
    considering that the second interview involved translation of Cederquist’s questions into
    Spanish. The first interview contained more detailed statements by appellant and were
    obtained after Chavez rejected many of appellant’s denials and used, as we have
    discussed, many calculated and ultimately successful interrogation techniques. The first
    interview was referenced several times during the course of the second, with several
    instances of Cederquist and Chavez discussing among themselves statements appellant
    made in the first interview and relying on them to have appellant repeat what he had
    already stated and to obtain further admissions. Moreover, the interviews happened
    within minutes of one another in the same interview room. Though Cederquist was
    primarily asking the questions in the second interview, Chavez, who had already
    developed a rapport with appellant, was present the entire time and doing the interpreting,
    and, on a few occasions, editorialized appellant’s answers with Chavez’s own summaries
    of appellant’s statements from the first interview. Given these considerations, we
    conclude a reasonable person in appellant’s shoes would not have seen the second
    questioning “as a new and distinct experience” (Seibert, 
    supra,
     542 U.S. at pp. 615‒616),
    rendering the Miranda warnings given ineffective.
    Further, under Justice Kennedy’s approach, while no direct evidence was
    presented as to the subjective intent behind the two-step questioning in the present case,
    29.
    the circumstances of the interview, including the various factors set forth in the plurality
    opinion, demonstrate “objective indications of a subjective intent to frustrate Miranda.”
    (See People v. Sumagang (2021) 
    69 Cal.App.5th 712
    , 728.) Most evident of this intent is
    Chavez’s statement at the beginning of the first interview, as we have discussed, that he
    was “doing the Beheler.” As no curative measures described by Justice Kennedy were
    taken, under this approach, we conclude appellant’s statements from the second interview
    were not admissible.
    We agree with appellant that the prewarning interaction in the present case
    rendered appellant’s subsequent waiver invalid and that the second interview was
    inadmissible.
    3.   Harmlessness
    Concluding neither statement from the first nor second interview were admissible,
    our final inquiry is whether the error in admitting them was harmless. We conclude the
    error was not harmless. “The erroneous admission of statements obtained in violation of
    the Fifth Amendment is reviewed under the Chapman standard (Chapman v. California
    (1967) 
    386 U.S. 18
    , 24).” (People v. Henderson (2020) 
    9 Cal.5th 1013
    , 1029.) The
    People bear the burden “ ‘to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the error complained
    of did not contribute to the verdict obtained.’ [Citation.] The standard is satisfied only if
    ‘[t]here is no reasonable possibility that the verdict would have been more favorable to
    defendant had [the] statements not been admitted.’ ” (Id. at p. 1029.) “Because
    confessions ‘ “[a]lmost invariably” will provide persuasive evidence of a defendant’s
    guilt …, the improper admission of a confession is much more likely to affect the
    outcome of a trial than are other categories of evidence, and thus is much more likely to
    be prejudicial under the traditional harmless-error standard.’ ” (Ibid.)
    The Henderson court listed several examples of circumstances which could render
    an erroneous admission of a confession harmless: “ ‘(1) when the defendant was
    apprehended by the police in the course of committing the crime, (2) when there are
    30.
    numerous, disinterested reliable eyewitnesses to the crime whose testimony is confirmed
    by a wealth of uncontroverted physical evidence, or (3) in a case in which the prosecution
    introduced, in addition to the confession, a videotape of the commission of the crime
    ….’ ” (People v. Henderson, supra, 9 Cal.5th at p. 1030.) This list is “not intended to be
    exhaustive,” but “exemplif[ies] the kind of strong evidence required to satisfy the
    Chapman standard.” (Ibid.)
    Here, we cannot conclude the error was harmless beyond a reasonable doubt. The
    jurors requested the transcript of the interview “between Chavez and [appellant],”
    indicating it contributed to the jurors’ decision-making process. They also asked for the
    pretext call transcripts, E.G.’s testimony, Gabriel’s testimony, and Li.R.’s forensic
    interview. That the jury was unable to reach a verdict on the charge involving Li.R., who
    was not discussed in appellant’s statements, despite corroborating evidence such as
    Lo.R.’s testimony and her forensic interview, is notable and raises a reasonable inference
    that appellant’s statements did contribute to the verdicts on the charges against Y.S. and
    E.G.
    We note that under Chapman, it is not enough that “ ‘in a trial that occurred
    without the error, a guilty verdict would surely have been rendered.’ ” (People v.
    Quartermain (1997) 
    16 Cal.4th 600
    , 621.) We must instead ask “ ‘whether the guilty
    verdict actually rendered in this trial was surely unattributable to the error.’ ” (Ibid.)
    Here, we cannot answer that question affirmatively. The admission of appellant’s
    statements was not harmless.
    II.    Exclusion of Expert Testimony on False Confessions
    Appellant sought to introduce testimony from an expert on false confessions to
    support an assertion that appellant’s inculpatory statements made during his interviews
    with law enforcement were not reliable. The trial court excluded the proffered testimony
    in pertinent part because appellant had not recanted or otherwise provided evidence the
    31.
    inculpatory statements were false. Appellant contends the trial court’s exclusion of the
    testimony was error.
    Because we have concluded the statements appellant made to law enforcement
    were inadmissible, we need not determine whether the trial court’s exclusion of the
    expert’s testimony was error, as the issue is moot.
    III.   Count 6
    A.     Relevant background
    At the preliminary hearing on the charges related to Lo.R., a detective testified
    Lo.R. reported in a forensic interview appellant had touched him on two separate
    occasions. On the first occasion, appellant touched Lo.R.’s buttocks under the clothing,
    then picked him up and placed him on his lap. Appellant grabbed Lo.R.’s leg and rubbed
    it back and forth on his erect penis. Appellant told Lo.R. to get off and went to the
    bathroom.
    On the second occasion, appellant asked Lo.R., “Do you remember what
    happened?” and Lo.R. told him he did not. Appellant then picked up Lo.R. and put him
    on his lap and kept asking if he remembered what happened. Lo.R. believed appellant
    was referring to the previous incident. Appellant did not grab Lo.R.’s leg as he had done
    previously, and after approximately one minute, Lo.R. got down from appellant’s lap and
    ran back to his house. Appellant told Lo.R. not to tell anyone.
    During argument at the preliminary hearing, the court asked the prosecutor to
    comment on the force and duress element on the charge against Lo.R. The prosecutor
    argued that appellant picked Lo.R. up and moved him around on his lap to gain an
    erection, which was sufficient force under the statute.
    In ruling, the court stated as to the count related to Lo.R., “it is a closer call [than
    the other charged offenses as to the element of force], … the act that was described was
    [appellant’s] manual stimulation of himself using the child as basically an instrumentality
    32.
    for that stimulation. In this instance, that could have occurred without placing the child
    in his lap and moving the … child’s leg.” The court held appellant to answer to count 6.
    During motions in limine, in a discussion regarding the admissibility of the
    Evidence Code 1108 evidence, the prosecutor informed the court “[Lo.R.] had two acts.”
    She went on to explain the second act was the charged act and the first act where Lo.R.
    felt appellant’s erect penis was the uncharged act.
    The following day the prosecution again confirmed that the second act was the
    charged act and the first act was the uncharged act. The court then asked for argument on
    why the uncharged act should be admitted. The prosecutor argued the evidence was
    “highly probative,” as it showed appellant’s propensity to commit sexual acts against the
    children. Defense counsel argued the evidence on uncharged acts was cumulative, and he
    focused primarily on A.G.’s proffered testimony arguing she was the fifth witness being
    brought in solely to testify as to Evidence Code section 1108 evidence.
    In ruling, the court summarized that the uncharged act with regard to Lo.R. was
    that appellant touched Lo.R.’s bare buttocks under his clothing and rubbed his leg against
    appellant’s erect penis. The court, after weighing the probative value versus the
    prejudicial nature of the proffered evidence of the uncharged acts, ruled it was
    admissible.
    The jury was instructed with CALCRIM No. 1191A that the People had presented
    evidence that appellant committed the uncharged crime of lewd or lascivious act with a
    child under 14 years by force or fear against Lo.R. The court instructed the jury they
    could consider the evidence only if the People proved by a preponderance of the evidence
    that appellant committed the uncharged offense. The court further instructed the jury that
    if they decided appellant committed the uncharged offense, they could conclude from that
    evidence appellant was disposed or inclined to commit sexual offenses, and based on that
    decision, also conclude that appellant was likely to commit and did commit the charged
    offenses. The court instructed the jury the conclusion was “only one factor to consider
    33.
    along with all the other evidence” and was “not sufficient by itself to prove that
    [appellant] is guilty of [the charged offense]” and “[t]he People must still prove each
    charge beyond a reasonable doubt.”
    The court also instructed the jury with CALCRIM No. 1191B, which provided that
    the People had presented evidence appellant had committed the charges in counts 2, 3, 5,
    and 6. The court instructed that if the jury found the People had proved beyond a
    reasonable doubt that appellant had committed one or more of the charged offenses, they
    could conclude appellant was disposed or inclined to commit and did commit the other
    sex offenses charged in this case. The court further instructed that it was only one factor
    to be considered, and the People were still required to prove each charge and allegation
    beyond a reasonable doubt.
    In closing argument, the prosecutor explained to the jury that the second act
    regarding Lo.R. was the charged act and the first act was the uncharged act. The
    prosecutor argued, “[t]he first act tells you what the second act is really about,”
    explaining the jury could infer appellant’s intent from the first act.
    B.     Analysis
    1.     “Inconsistent and Irreconcilable Theories”
    Appellant argues that by arguing at the preliminary hearing that the first act was
    the charged act and later arguing at trial the second act was the charged act while also
    presenting evidence of the first act as an uncharged act, the prosecutor was using
    “inconsistent and irreconcilable theories,” violating appellant’s due process rights.
    Respondent contends appellant forfeited the issue and appellant contends that if we find
    the issue is forfeited, that his trial counsel provided ineffective assistance of counsel by
    failing to object. We need not discuss whether appellant forfeited the issue and reject his
    claim of ineffective assistance of counsel because appellant has failed to show any
    prejudice arising from this alleged error. (Strickland v. Washington (1984) 
    466 U.S. 668
    ,
    34.
    687 [to make a successful claim of ineffective assistance of counsel, appellant must
    establish prejudice occurred].)
    The case appellant cites as authority that a prosecutor’s use of “inconsistent and
    irreconcilable theories” violated his due process rights is In re Sakarias (2005) 
    35 Cal.4th 140
    . In Sakarias, the California Supreme Court found a due process violation where a
    prosecutor had sought convictions against two defendants using “inconsistent and
    irreconcilable factual theories.” (Id. at p. 163.) The prosecutor had deliberately omitted
    evidence in one trial that had been used in another, which the court concluded showed
    bad faith. (Ibid.) The Sakarias court held “the prosecutor’s unjustified use of
    inconsistent and irreconcilable factual theories to convict two people of a crime only one
    could have committed, or to obtain harsher sentences for both on the basis of an act only
    one could have committed, violates due process because in those circumstances the state
    has necessarily convicted or sentenced a person on a false factual basis.” (Id. at p. 164.)
    We cannot see, nor does appellant explain, how this case supports his claim. We
    do not see the connection between the “inconsistent and irreconcilable” factual scenarios
    used to convict two individuals of the same crime and the circumstances in the present
    case. The factual scenarios here, the two instances where appellant put Lo.R. on his lap,
    are not “inconsistent and irreconcilable” in that the prosecution consistently alleged both
    at the preliminary hearing and at trial that they both occurred. In other words, a finding
    that one of these instances occurred does not preclude a finding that the other instance did
    not. Moreover, appellant does not explain how he was prejudiced.
    A trial court may, in its discretion, permit amendment of the information at any
    stage of the proceedings, provided the amendment does not change the offense charged
    by the original information to one not shown by the evidence taken at the preliminary
    examination. (§ 1009; People v. Winters (1990) 
    221 Cal.App.3d 997
    , 1005.) If the
    defendant’s substantial rights would be prejudiced by the amendment, the court may
    grant a reasonable continuance no longer than the ends of justice require. (§ 1009;
    35.
    Winters, at p. 1005.) “Trial court discretion, in granting a motion to amend, ‘will not be
    disturbed on appeal in the absence of showing a clear abuse of discretion.’ ” (People v.
    Bolden (1996) 
    44 Cal.App.4th 707
    , 716.)
    As respondent argues, an argument to which appellant does not address in his
    reply brief, the trial court, in effect, allowed a constructive amendment to the
    information. The constructive amendment was permissible because the amendment
    conformed to the evidence presented at the preliminary hearing and because appellant
    was on clear notice of the prosecutor’s plan to present the first incident as an uncharged
    act and the second incident as the charged act early in the trial. When the prosecutor
    explained which of the acts was the charged act in open court, there had only been one
    day of evidence; Lo.R. did not testify until three days later, and evidence did not close
    until eight days later. Appellant had ample time to defend against both acts involving
    Lo.R. and does not make any argument to the contrary. Appellant notably does not
    contend that count 6 was supported by insufficient evidence or that the court erred by
    admitting the first act as uncharged propensity evidence under Evidence Code
    section 1108.
    We find no violation of due process.
    2.   Jury Instructions
    Related to this argument, appellant also argues that the jury instructions lowered
    the prosecution’s burden of proof for count 6. He reasons that because the jury was only
    required to find the first act (the “more graphic incident elected by the prosecution at the
    preliminary hearing”) true by a preponderance of the evidence, and were instructed they
    could use it to conclude disposition to commit count 6 (“the previously uncharged
    offense”), this allowed them to convict on count 6 by only a preponderance of the
    evidence. Appellant relies on People v. Cruz (2016) 
    2 Cal.App.5th 1178
     (Cruz), which is
    inapposite.
    36.
    In Cruz, the trial court instructed the jury that “ ‘[i]n determining whether
    defendant has been proved guilty of any sexual crime of which he is charged, you should
    consider all relevant evidence, including whether the defendant committed any other
    sexual crimes, whether charged or uncharged, about which evidence has been received.’ ”
    (Cruz, supra, 2 Cal.App.5th at pp. 1183‒1184.) The court went on to instruct the jury if
    they found “ ‘by a preponderance of the evidence, that the defendant committed any such
    other sexual offense you may, but are not required to, infer that the defendant had a
    disposition to commit sexual offenses.’ ” (Id. at p. 1184.)
    This court reversed, holding that the instruction effectively lowered the standard of
    proof because it suggested that charged offenses needed only to be proved by a
    preponderance of the evidence before they could be used as propensity evidence. (Cruz,
    supra, 2 Cal.App.5th at p. 1186.) This court suggested that “a jury instruction explaining
    the use of currently charged offenses to show propensity under Evidence Code section
    1108 must … specify[] that a currently charged offense must be proved beyond a
    reasonable doubt before it can be used as propensity evidence in support of another
    currently charged offense.” (Id. at p. 1186.)
    The Cruz court’s suggestion is exactly how the jury was instructed here. The jury
    was expressly instructed it needed to find the charged acts true beyond a reasonable doubt
    before being used as propensity evidence. (CALCRIM No. 1191B.) The court also
    correctly instructed the jury that it needed only to find the uncharged act true by a
    preponderance of the evidence but reiterated that even if it found an uncharged act true, it
    was still required to find the charged offenses true beyond a reasonable doubt.
    (CALCRIM No. 1191A.)
    This case is more like People v. Reliford (2003) 
    29 Cal.4th 1007
    , where the
    defendant made an argument like appellant has here, that “having found the uncharged
    sex offense true by a preponderance of the evidence, jurors would rely on ‘this alone’ to
    convict him of the charged offenses.” (Id. at p. 1013.) Our high court in Reliford readily
    37.
    rejected this argument stating, “the instruction nowhere tells the jury it may rest a
    conviction solely on evidence of prior offenses. Indeed, the instruction’s next sentence
    says quite the opposite: ‘if you find by a preponderance of the evidence that the
    defendant committed a prior sexual offense …, that is not sufficient by itself to prove
    beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed the charged crime.’ ” (Ibid.)
    Like in Reliford, “Nothing in the instructions authorized the jury to use the
    preponderance-of-the-evidence standard for anything other than the preliminary
    determination whether defendant committed a prior sexual offense.” (People v. Reliford,
    
    supra,
     29 Cal.4th at p. 1016.) As such, it is not “reasonably likely a jury could interpret
    the instructions to authorize conviction of the charged offenses based on a lowered
    standard of proof.” (See id. at p. 1016.)
    We find no error.
    DISPOSITION
    We reverse appellant’s convictions on counts 2 and 3 and remand for a new trial
    on those counts. In all other respects, the judgment is affirmed.
    DE SANTOS, J.
    WE CONCUR:
    LEVY, ACTING P. J.
    MEEHAN, J.
    38.