People v. Solorio ( 2017 )


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  • Filed 11/16/17
    CERTIFIED FOR PUBLICATION
    COURT OF APPEAL, FOURTH APPELLATE DISTRICT
    DIVISION ONE
    STATE OF CALIFORNIA
    THE PEOPLE,                                         D070794
    Plaintiff and Respondent,
    v.                                          (Super. Ct. No. JCF30660)
    FRANCISCO JAVIER SOLORIO,
    Defendant and Appellant.
    APPEAL from a judgment of the Superior Court of Imperial County,
    L. Brooks Anderholdt, Judge. Reversed.
    The Badillo Law Firm and Jose Garza Badillo for Defendant and Appellant.
    Xavier Becerra, Attorney General, Gerald A. Engler, Chief Assistant Attorney
    General, Julie L. Garland, Assistant Attorney General, Collette C. Cavalier and Teresa
    Torreblanca, Deputy Attorneys General, for Plaintiff and Respondent.
    Francisco Javier Solorio appeals his conviction for first degree murder (Pen. Code,
    § 187, subd. (a)), arguing that the trial court erred in denying his motion for a new trial on
    grounds of jury misconduct. Although it denied his motion, the court made a factual
    finding that the jury discussed Solorio's decision not to testify "several times" despite
    repeated admonitions not to consider that topic. Prejudice from this type of misconduct
    is presumed, and on this record we cannot conclude the presumption of prejudice was
    rebutted. (People v. Lavender (2014) 
    60 Cal. 4th 679
    , 692 (Lavender).) Accordingly, we
    reverse and remand the matter for a new trial.
    FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
    A jury convicted Francisco Javier Solorio of the first degree premeditated murder
    of his neighbor, Albert Ramos. (Pen. Code, § 187, subd. (a).) The prosecution presented
    evidence that Solorio, motivated by revenge, killed Ramos four months after Ramos
    stabbed Solorio's brother, Rudy.
    Solorio and Ramos lived on same side of the same block in Brawley, California.
    Their residences were separated by two houses. Tamara R.1 and her daughter Sara J.
    lived across the street and were friends with both Solorio and Ramos. After Rudy was
    stabbed, Solorio told them he would handle matters on his own rather than approach law
    enforcement. Solorio told Sara he planned to "cap" Ramos, "blast him," and "kill him"
    1       As of January 1, 2017, California Rules of Court, rule 8.90 (Rule 8.90) became
    effective. Rule 8.90(b) requires appellate courts to "consider referring to" certain
    individuals "by first name and last initial or, if the first name is unusual or other
    circumstances would defeat the objective of anonymity, by initials only," in order to
    protect those individuals' privacy. Although the rule lists victims, not witnesses, as
    subject to the rule, we refer to the two eyewitnesses in this case by their first names and
    last initials, and thereafter by their first names only, to protect their privacy.
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    for stabbing Rudy. When someone burned Ramos's car afterwards, Solorio told Tamara
    that things "would only get worse."
    In March 2013 Tamara and Sara had just returned from a one-hour shopping trip
    with Ramos. Both had a clear line of sight and saw the incident unfold as Ramos walked
    from their parked car toward his house across the street. As Ramos was walking, Solorio
    stepped outside his property, walked toward Ramos, pointed a gun wrapped in a bandana
    at him, and said, "remember what you did to my brother?" Ramos said, "Fuck you" and
    threw a plastic cup he was holding at Solorio. Solorio grabbed Ramos around the neck,
    and shot him three times in the arm, head, and chest, killing him.
    At trial, Tamara and Sara testified that Ramos was not armed, did not threaten
    Solorio, and did not approach, confront, or hit Solorio at any point during the incident.
    Sara recalled saying, "Don't do it" loud enough for Solorio to hear when she saw him pull
    out the gun.
    Tamara immediately called 911. Solorio could be heard in the background
    exclaiming, "He had a knife!" Tamara could be heard saying, "That's bullshit Javier.
    That's bullshit. I saw it." A knife was recovered at the scene, and Solorio had a
    superficial knife wound on his arm. The prints on the knife did not match Ramos or
    Solorio and instead were a possible match for Solorio's brother, Steven. Steven told the
    responding police officer Brian Smith that upon arriving home, he saw someone on top of
    his brother and heard three shots fired.
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    Solorio did not testify at trial, but his counsel argued the killing was in self-
    defense. In a taped police interview played for the jury, Solorio told officers about
    Ramos's drug use, assaultive behavior, and stabbing of Rudy four months earlier. Solorio
    stated that Ramos had repeatedly punched him and made him fear for his life. At trial,
    police officers testified that there were no signs of trauma or swelling on Solorio's face or
    bruises or scrapes on Ramos's hands to support the theory that Ramos attacked Solorio.
    Solorio's brothers Rudy and Victor testified about Ramos's unprovoked stabbing
    of Rudy and threatening statements to Victor. A neighbor named Ofelia testified that
    Ramos was scaring her children, engaging in unusual behavior, and had attacked two of
    her uncles. One of those uncles testified about the attack, and a father and son in the
    neighborhood described Ramos's threatening behavior in the four months before his
    death. Ramos's toxicology results indicated that at the time of his death, he had
    methamphetamine and amphetamine in his bloodstream.
    After the verdict, Solorio filed a motion for a new trial on grounds of jury
    misconduct, arguing that the jurors repeatedly discussed Solorio's decision not to testify
    during deliberations. The court held an evidentiary hearing and determined that although
    misconduct occurred, it was not prejudicial. On that basis it denied the motion for a new
    trial.
    Solorio was sentenced to serve 50 years to life in prison, consisting of 25 years to
    life for first-degree murder, plus 25 years to life for the firearm enhancement. (Pen.
    Code, § 12022.53, subd. (d).)
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    DISCUSSION
    Additional Background
    Solorio filed a new trial motion on the ground of juror misconduct. (Pen. Code,
    § 1181, subd. (3) [allowing a new trial for jury "misconduct by which a fair and due
    consideration of the case has been prevented"].) He argued that jurors violated the court's
    instruction not to consider Solorio's decision not to testify.2 In support of his motion
    Solorio attached a declaration by Juror 11, the foreperson, that stated:
    "During the deliberations, the entire jury brought up and discussed
    the fact that the defendant Francisco Solorio did not testify in his
    own behalf. Some jurors were asking why the defendant did not
    testify. Some jurors thought that the defendant Solorio felt guilty
    and he knew he 'did it' and that is why he did not testify."
    Solorio also submitted declarations by defense investigators, Juror 6, and (an unsigned
    declaration by) Juror 9 suggesting the jury had discussed "at length" that Solorio did not
    take the stand because he had something to hide.
    The People opposed Solorio's motion on grounds the proffered declarations were
    inadmissible under Evidence Code section 1150, subdivision (a).3 In the alternative, the
    2      Solorio also based his new trial motion on one juror's hearing difficulties but does
    not raise that issue on appeal.
    3      Further references are to the Evidence Code, unless otherwise specified. Section
    1150, subdivision (a) provides: "Upon an inquiry as to the validity of a verdict, any
    otherwise admissible evidence may be received as to statements made, or conduct,
    conditions, or events occurring, either within or without the jury room, of such a
    character as is likely to have influenced the verdict improperly. No evidence is
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    People urged the court to hold an evidentiary hearing to resolve disputed factual issues.
    (People v. Hedgecock (1990) 
    51 Cal. 3d 395
    , 415 [trial court may conduct an evidentiary
    hearing (a Hedgecock hearing) to resolve conflicting allegations of juror misconduct].)
    The court determined that the quoted portion of Juror 11's declaration above was
    admissible, whereas declarations of Juror 9 and defense investigators were inadmissible.
    (§ 1150, subd. (a).) It found a material factual dispute between Juror 11's declaration and
    Juror 6's declaration and decided to hold a Hedgecock hearing.4 The court subpoenaed
    all 12 jurors to testify and followed a script, asking jurors if they recalled whether the
    topic came up, if they participated and how many participated in those discussions, how
    long the discussions were, and whether jurors were admonished.
    The court found all of the jurors to be credible and rejected Solorio's attempt to
    impeach the credibility of Juror 9 with the defense investigator's testimony.
     Jurors 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, and 9 had no recollection of the topic coming up.
    admissible to show the effect of such statement, conduct, condition, or event upon a juror
    either in influencing him to assent to or dissent from the verdict or concerning the mental
    processes by which it was determined." (See People v. Cissna (2010) 
    182 Cal. App. 4th 1105
    , 1116 (Cissna) ["No evidence may be presented concerning the subjective
    reasoning processes of a juror that can neither be corroborated nor disproved . . . ."].)
    4      The court found a material disputed fact because Juror 6's declaration did not
    reference any discussion on defendant's decision not to testify. In addition, Juror 11's
    declaration did not address how many jurors participated in the improper discussion, how
    long the discussion lasted, whether jurors were admonished not to consider defendant's
    decision not to testify, and if so, whether discussions on the topic ended after the
    admonishment.
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     Juror 12 did not recall whether or not the topic came up.
     Juror 5 recalled the topic coming up briefly and that any discussion took "maybe a
    minute." He did not recall the foreperson or anybody else giving a reminder that
    jurors were not to discuss or consider that issue.
     Juror 7 recalled a "short discussion" lasting "several minutes" among "half" of the
    jurors but thought the discussion stopped once the foreperson stated it could not be
    considered.
     Juror 10 recalled a "really short" discussion after one juror brought it up, which
    stopped once she and Juror 11 reminded the others they could not consider it.
     Juror 11, the foreperson, recalled a group of six or seven jurors repeatedly
    discussing Solorio's decision not to testify. The discussion happened several times
    over the course of an hour. Each time the topic came up, Juror 11 and one or two
    other jurors would admonish the group that they could not consider that issue.
    The group of jurors would stop, talk about other things, and circle back to the
    topic. At some point after about an hour, all conversation on the subject stopped,
    and the matter never came up again during deliberations.
    The court credited Juror 11's version of events that the matter came up more than
    twice during deliberations and was promptly admonished each time it came up. Although
    Juror 11's declaration was not received into evidence, the court considered his testimony
    in conjunction with his declaration.
    Specifically, the court found:
    "We do not have before us, although an inquiry was made of the
    jurors, when these discussions took place. Regardless of when they
    took place, they ceased upon admonishment and went on and
    continued their deliberations." [. . .]
    "The discussions of this issue were raised several times over the
    course of about an hour within the 12 to 13 hours of deliberations.
    They were promptly admonished, promptly ceased discussion."
    The court found that there was misconduct, giving rise to a presumption of bias:
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    "Was there misconduct in this case? Yes, it's obvious. Just the mere
    raising of the issue of the failure to testify is misconduct, even if it's
    stopped and only mentioned one time . . . . So there is a presumption
    of bias."
    Thereafter, the court applied a two-part test from People v. Tafoya (2007) 
    42 Cal. 4th 1475
    to assess whether the presumption of prejudice had been rebutted:
    "Test one talks about a bias being found if the extraneous material
    judged objectively is inherently and substantially likely to have
    influenced a juror. [¶] And test two, if that test is found to be
    negative, you look at the totality of the circumstances."
    The court concluded there was no prejudice under the first test because each time
    the topic came up, jurors "were promptly admonished" and "ceased discussion." It found
    support in People v. Avila (2009) 
    46 Cal. 4th 680
    (Avila), which it read as indicating that
    the topic came up more than once and admonishments rebutted the presumption of
    prejudice.6 It also gave "great consideration" to the fact that eight jurors had no
    5       In Tafoya, a juror discussed the Catholic church's opinion about the death penalty
    with a priest and presented that opinion to the jury during penalty phase deliberations.
    (People v. 
    Tafoya, supra
    , 42 Cal.4th at p. 190.) The court considered whether, on review
    of the "entire record," there was "a substantial likelihood of juror bias." (Id. at p. 192.)
    6       Avila involved the same type of jury misconduct at issue here—discussion of
    defendant's decision not to testify. The trial court misread Avila in concluding that jurors
    in the case had discussed the topic "three or four times." As we read it, two jurors
    recalled the issue coming up once in the guilt phase—"the offending juror was
    immediately reminded he could not consider this factor and the discussion ceased."
    
    (Avila, supra
    , 46 Cal.4th at p. 727.) Thereafter, in the penalty phase, "the comment was
    not made until after the verdict was reached and the bailiff contacted." (Ibid.) Again,
    "the offending juror was reminded that this consideration was not permitted." (Ibid.)
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    recollection that the discussions occurred, stating that the discussion "was so insignificant
    at the time that they have no recollection of it now."
    Turning to the second test, the court found "no substantial likelihood of bias"
    based on the totality of the circumstances:
    "There were 12 or 13 hours of deliberations, yes. Was there
    misconduct? Yes. Was the issue discussed or raised by the jury that
    should not have been? Yes. Is the jury perfect? No. Are they
    human? Yes. Do they make mistakes? Yes. Was it inherently and
    substantially prejudicial? Based upon the testimony of the 12 jurors,
    and twice by Juror Number 9, this Court is not convinced, weighing
    it all, that there was any inherent and substantial likelihood of bias
    against the defendant in this particular case."
    "Furthermore, this court, as noted in People v. Tafoya, considers the
    issue in light of the evidence in this particular trial. This was a case
    in which it was readily admitted from the beginning that the
    defendant shot the victim. No doubt that was admitted. The issue
    was the issue of self-defense. There was weeks and weeks of
    testimony and numerous witnesses we heard on the issue and several
    eyewitnesses were brought from out of state, a mother and daughter
    that testified. So the Court has as well in its determination of this
    issue considered the evidence in this particular case against the
    defendant."
    "Recalling as well that the defendant did speak during the trial, in
    effect, because his interview was played and his statements to the
    officer were played or stated to the jury as to his profession of self-
    defense. So the Court did weigh all of the testimony and evidence
    received as well in its determination to deny the defendant's motion
    for new trial."
    The parties agree that jury misconduct occurred but disagree whether it was
    prejudicial. Solorio argues that the presumption of prejudice was not rebutted because
    the jury repeatedly discussed his silence at trial despite admonishments. The People
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    argue that even accepting Juror 11's testimony that the topic was discussed several times,
    prompt admonitions were sufficient to rebut the presumption of prejudice.
    Analysis
    The jury was instructed with CALCRIM No. 355 not to "consider, for any reason
    at all, the fact that the defendant did not testify" and not to "discuss that fact during your
    deliberations or let it influence your decision in any way." The trial court found that
    jurors engaged in misconduct when they ignored the instruction and discussed Solorio's
    failure to testify several times over the course of an hour during deliberations. 
    (Lavender, supra
    , 60 Cal.4th at p. 687.) Each time, the foreperson admonished other jurors not to
    consider the topic, and they would move on to other issues before circling back to it.
    We accept the court's credibility determinations and factual findings if supported
    by substantial evidence but independently assess whether prejudice arose. 
    (Avila, supra
    ,
    46 Cal.4th at pp. 726–727; 
    Lavender, supra
    , 60 Cal.4th at p. 682.)7 "When the record
    shows there was misconduct, the defendant is afforded the benefit of a rebuttable
    presumption of prejudice." 
    (Cissna, supra
    , 182 Cal.App.4th at p. 1116.) "This
    presumption is provided as an evidentiary aid to the defendant because of the statutory
    7       The People question Juror 11's account that the topic was discussed more than
    once. However, the testimony of Juror 11 alone is sufficient to support the court's finding
    that the topic came up "several times" and that the offending jurors were promptly
    admonished each time. (In re Marriage of Mix (1975) 
    14 Cal. 3d 604
    , 614.) We therefore
    defer to this finding. 
    (Cissna, supra
    , 182 Cal.App.4th at p. 1118; 
    Avila, supra
    , 46 Cal.4th
    at pp. 726–727.)
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    bar against evidence of a juror's subjective thought processes and the reliability of
    external circumstances to show underlying bias." (Ibid.; § 1150, subd. (a).)
    As one court recently put it, "[t]he law concerning prejudice lacks clarity."
    (People v. Echavarria (2017) 13 Cal.App.5th 1255, 1264 (Echavarria).) Whereas some
    cases focus on whether the presumption of prejudice arising from misconduct has been
    successfully rebutted, others consider whether the prejudice was sufficiently substantial
    to warrant reversal. (Ibid. [collecting cases]; see People v. Von Villas (1995) 
    36 Cal. App. 4th 1425
    , 1445 (dis. opn. of Woods, J.).) As we discuss, it is also unclear
    whether in the context of the type of misconduct present here, we should, as the trial court
    did, consider the strength of trial evidence against the defendant in assessing prejudice.
    Lavender involved the same type of jury misconduct. During deliberations, jurors
    commented on the defendants' failure to testify. 
    (Lavender, supra
    , 60 Cal.4th at p. 687.)
    The Supreme Court explained that the presumption of prejudice arising from such
    misconduct "may be rebutted by an affirmative evidentiary showing that prejudice does
    not exist or by a reviewing court's examination of the entire record to determine whether
    there is a reasonable probability of actual harm resulting from the misconduct." (Ibid.,
    italics added.) In another case involving the same type of jury misconduct, our high court
    stated that the presumption of prejudice is rebutted if a review of the entire record
    demonstrates no substantial likelihood of actual harm. (People v. Leonard (2007) 
    40 Cal. 4th 1370
    , 1425 (Leonard).)
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    Neither Lavender nor Leonard actually considered the strength of the evidence on
    the question of guilt in assessing prejudice. Lavender remanded the matter to the trial
    court to resolve factual ambiguities in the record to assess prejudice. 
    (Lavender, supra
    ,
    60 Cal.4th at p. 693.) It provided several factors that could on remand establish that no
    prejudice actually resulted from juror comments on the defendant's decision not to
    testify. (Id. at pp. 687–692, discussed post.) Nowhere did the opinion direct the trial
    court to consider the strength of the trial evidence against defendants in assessing
    prejudice. Likewise, Leonard found the presumption of prejudice rebutted because jurors
    did not draw adverse inferences from the defendant's decision not to testify. 
    (Leonard, supra
    , 40 Cal.4th at p. 1425.) Leonard's review was confined to what happened during
    deliberations, not the trial evidence.
    The parties have not cited, nor have we found, a case that evaluates prejudice from
    the type of misconduct we have here based on the strength of the evidence at trial. In
    suggesting that a review of the "entire record" is appropriate, Lavender and Leonard cite
    two cases involving altogether different forms of jury misconduct. In People v. Danks
    (2004) 
    32 Cal. 4th 269
    , a juror's circulation of biblical verses during penalty phase
    deliberations was found not prejudicial given "compelling" penalty phase evidence
    presented. (Danks, at pp. 305, 307.) In Hasson v. Ford Motor Co. (1982) 
    32 Cal. 3d 388
    ,
    a juror's reading a novel and doing crossword puzzles while evidence was being
    presented at trial was found not prejudicial given "overwhelming proof of liability"
    presented at trial. (Hasson, at pp. 415, 417.)
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    We question whether we may, in this context, consider the strength of the trial
    evidence of Solorio's guilt. As Lavender recognized, "a defendant's decision not to
    testify[ ] [is] a topic that does 'not involve extra record material' and . . . concerns a matter
    'already obvious to the jurors.' " 
    (Lavender, supra
    , 60 Cal.4th at p. 692, fn. 2.) Lavender
    seems to hint that the prejudice analysis may differ depending on the type of jury
    misconduct at issue. (Ibid. ["We are not presented with, and therefore do not discuss, the
    proper analysis of a jury's improper receipt of information from 'extraneous sources.' "])
    Here, the misconduct does not go to juror bias from considering extraneous information,
    but instead to a defendant's constitutional right against self-incrimination.
    "[T]he purpose of the rule prohibiting jury discussion of a defendant's failure to
    testify is to prevent the jury from drawing adverse inferences against the defendant, in
    violation of the constitutional right not to incriminate oneself." 
    (Leonard, supra
    , 40
    Cal.4th at p. 1425.) A criminal defendant has a Fifth Amendment right "to remain silent
    'unless he chooses to speak in the unfettered exercise of his own will' "—a right that
    would be meaningless if jurors could draw adverse inferences from his or her choice.
    (Carter v. Kentucky (1981) 
    450 U.S. 288
    , 305; Leonard, at p. 1424.) Juror 11's
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    declaration indicates that jurors drew precisely the adverse inference that the Fifth
    Amendment eschews, stating Solorio did not testify because "he knew he 'did it.' "8
    Jury misconduct in this case went directly to the ultimate issue—Solorio's guilt for
    murder. In In re Stankewitz (1985) 
    40 Cal. 3d 391
    , the Supreme Court cautioned that the
    presumption of prejudice is stronger when "the misconduct goes to a key issue in the
    case." (Id. at p. 402 [juror's misconduct in stating during deliberations that he had been a
    police officer for 20 years and knew a robbery had taken place went to the ultimate issue
    of guilt for felony-murder, raising presumption of prejudice].) When the presumption of
    prejudice is stronger, the prosecution must put forth greater proof to rebut it.
    
    (Echavarria, supra
    , 13 Cal.App.5th at pp. 1267–1268.)
    We will follow Lavender's approach and consider whether the prosecution
    rebutted the presumption of prejudice with evidence that no prejudice actually resulted.
    Applying each of the Lavender rebuttal factors, we conclude the prosecution has fallen
    short.
    The first rebuttal factor considers whether jurors drew adverse inferences of guilt
    from the defendant's decision not to testify. 
    (Lavender, supra
    , 60 Cal.4th at pp. 689–690,
    8      The trial judge noted that although Juror 11's declaration had not been received
    into evidence, he had read it, and "obviously it affects my consideration of the testimony
    by Juror Number 11 . . . ." Because it appears the court considered this declaration in
    making its findings, we consider it on appeal. We disregard, however, Solorio's citation
    to declarations deemed inadmissible by the trial court.
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    692.) Comments of mere "wonderment and curiosity" are normally innocuous. (People
    v. Hord (1993) 
    15 Cal. App. 4th 711
    , 727 (Hord).) "It is natural for jurors to wonder about
    a defendant's absence from the witness stand." (People v. Loker (2008) 
    44 Cal. 4th 691
    ,
    749 (Loker).) " '[M]erely referencing that they wish he would have testified is not the
    same as drawing negative inferences from the absence of testimony.' " 
    (Leonard, supra
    ,
    40 Cal.4th at p. 1425.) Thus, for example, in Leonard the court found no prejudice from
    the jury's brief discussion where there were no adverse inferences expressed regarding the
    defendant's decision not to testify. (Ibid.)
    "When comments go beyond natural curiosity and their content suggests
    inferences from forbidden areas, the chance of prejudice increases." 
    (Hord, supra
    , 15
    Cal.App.4th at p. 728.) "For example, if a juror were to say, 'The defendant didn't testify
    so he is guilty,' or 'we will have to find the defendant guilty of the greatest charges to
    ensure he will be adequately punished,' the comments go beyond mere curiosity and lean
    more toward a juror's drawing inappropriate inferences from areas which are off limits."
    (Ibid.) That is the box we find ourselves in—Juror 11's declaration makes it clear that
    jurors were drawing adverse inferences of guilt. Thus, the first rebuttal factor was not
    met. 
    (Lavender, supra
    , 60 Cal.4th at p. 690; Hord, at p. 728.)
    The second rebuttal factor considers the length of discussion about the topic.
    
    (Lavender, supra
    , 60 Cal.4th at p. 692 [noting disputed factual issue as to whether the
    issue was merely mentioned or discussed at greater length].) In Hord, the court found the
    presumption rebutted where the juror merely made an "oblique remark about a party not
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    saying anything to protect himself" and there was no apparent lengthy discussion into
    inappropriate areas. 
    (Hord, supra
    , 15 Cal.App.4th at pp. 727–728.) "Transitory
    comments" about the topic are usually innocuous, "particularly when a comment stands
    alone without any further discussion." (Ibid.; see 
    Leonard, supra
    , 40 Cal.4th at p. 1425
    ["brief discussion" of the topic was not prejudicial].) The fact that only a few jurors
    recall any comment on the topic may tend to "indicate[] that the discussion was not of
    any length or significance." 
    (Avila, supra
    , 46 Cal.4th at p. 727.)
    Here, the court made a factual finding based on Juror 11's testimony that the topic
    was raised "several times over the course of about an hour within the 12 to 13 hours of
    deliberations." The trial court did not make a factual finding as to how many jurors
    participated in the discussion, but it noted that Juror 11 put the number at six or seven
    jurors, whereas eight jurors had no recollection of any discussion on the topic. 9
    Although the inferences are not entirely consistent, on this record we are unable to
    conclude that the discussion about the defendant's choice not to take the stand was so
    transitory or brief that it rebutted the presumption of prejudice.
    The third rebuttal factor—the crux of Lavender—considers whether jurors were
    reminded not to consider the defendant's decision not to testify. 
    (Lavender, supra
    , 60
    Cal.4th at p. 690.) If the foreperson promptly reminded jurors when the improper
    9      Juror 7 corroborated Juror 11, testifying that "about half the jurors" engaged in the
    discussion.
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    statement was made, that would "(in the absence of objective evidence to the contrary)
    . . . constitute strong evidence to rebut the presumption of prejudice." (Ibid.; see 
    Loker, supra
    , 44 Cal.4th at p. 749 [prompt admonition rebutted presumption of prejudice]; 
    Hord, supra
    , 15 Cal.App.4th at p. 711 [same]; 
    Avila, supra
    , 46 Cal.4th at pp. 725–727 [same;
    the topic came up once in the guilt phase and once in the penalty phase after the verdict
    but the juror was admonished both times].)
    By contrast, a prompt reminder would be insufficient to rebut the presumption of
    prejudice if there were objective circumstances indicating that the reminder was
    ineffective. 
    (Lavender, supra
    , 60 Cal.4th at p. 692.) As the Supreme Court explained in
    Lavender, "a persistent refusal [by the jury] to follow the court's instructions would tend
    to confirm the prejudicial effect of the misconduct claimed by defendants." (Ibid.)10 For
    example, in Cissna, a juror's daily conversations with a nonjuror about topics that
    included the defendant's failure to testify was prejudicial in the face of repeated
    instructions by the trial judge not to discuss the case. 
    (Cissna, supra
    , 182 Cal.App.4th at
    pp. 1111, 1119.) Likewise, an agreement among jurors to disregard the court's
    instructions would be prejudicial misconduct requiring reversal. (Krouse v. Graham
    (1977) 
    19 Cal. 3d 59
    , 81.)
    10     In Lavender, there was an unresolved factual question as to whether there was
    "objective indication that one or more jurors was unable or unwilling to follow the court's
    instructions once reminded of them." 
    (Lavender, supra
    , 60 Cal.4th at pp. 691–692.) The
    court directed the trial court on remand to address this factor in making its findings.
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    Here, the trial court found that jurors repeatedly discussed Solorio's decision not to
    testify. Despite admonitions each time the topic was brought up, jurors circled back to
    the topic "several times." There was, therefore, "objective evidence establishing a basis
    to question the effectiveness of the reminder." 
    (Lavender, supra
    , 60 Cal.4th at p. 687.)
    Where repeated reminders were given that Solorio's lack of testimony could not be
    considered, we cannot say they were sufficient to rebut the presumption of prejudice.
    To the extent it is appropriate to consider the overall strength of the evidence
    against Solorio presented at trial, we would still find the presumption unrebutted. If the
    trial evidence were so overwhelming, why would the jury repeatedly discuss their view
    that Solorio must be guilty because he did not take the stand? Given the nature of
    improper statements here—that Solorio did not testify because he was guilty—and the
    repeated revisiting of this matter over a one-hour period despite admonitions, we would
    find at least a "reasonable probability" that actual harm resulted from the misconduct
    even if we were to consider the "entire record." 
    (Lavender, supra
    , 60 Cal.4th at p. 687;
    cf. People v. Nesler (1997) 
    16 Cal. 4th 561
    , 583 ["repeated references" to improper
    subjects during deliberations established a substantial likelihood of prejudice].)
    We recognize that "[j]urors, like all human beings are imperfect" and that "the
    criminal justice system must not be rendered impotent in quest of an ever-elusive
    perfection." 
    (Lavender, supra
    , 60 Cal.4th at p. 681; In re Carpenter (1995) 
    9 Cal. 4th 634
    , 654.) Nevertheless, on the record before us, we find no basis to find that the
    prosecution rebutted the presumption of prejudice. Solorio is entitled to a new trial due
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    to prejudicial juror misconduct, and we reverse his conviction for retrial. 
    (Stankewitz, supra
    , 40 Cal.3d at p. 402.)11
    DISPOSITION
    The judgment is reversed and the matter is remanded for a new trial.
    DATO, J.
    WE CONCUR:
    HUFFMAN, Acting P. J.
    IRION, J.
    11     Solorio also challenges the trial court's exclusion of a defense expert's testimony
    attempting to quantify Ramos's risk for drug-induced irrational violence at the time of the
    shooting. (See generally People v. Wright (1985) 
    39 Cal. 3d 576
    , 582–584.) Because we
    reverse based on juror misconduct, we have no need to address this additional argument.
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