P. v. Zavala CA5 ( 2013 )


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  • Filed 4/8/13 P. v. Zavala CA5
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    IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
    FIFTH APPELLATE DISTRICT
    THE PEOPLE,
    F063418
    Plaintiff and Respondent,
    (Tulare Super. Ct. No. VCF243691)
    v.
    ALEJANDRO GONZALEZ ZAVALA,                                                               OPINION
    Defendant and Appellant.
    APPEAL from a judgment of the Superior Court of Tulare County. Valeriano
    Saucedo, Judge.
    J. Peter Axelrod, under appointment by the Court of Appeal, for Defendant and
    Appellant.
    Kamala D. Harris, Attorney General, Dane R. Gillette, Chief Assistant Attorney
    General, Michael P. Farrell, Assistant Attorney General, Carlos A. Martinez and
    Catherine Tennant Nieto, Deputy Attorneys General for Plaintiff and Respondent.
    -ooOoo-
    Alejandro Gonzalez Zavala was convicted of 17 counts of sexually abusing the
    three minor children of his girlfriend, whom we will refer to as mother.1 The jury also
    found true the allegation that there were multiple victims within the meaning of Penal
    Code section 667.61, subdivision (b).2 He was sentenced to a total indeterminate term of
    255 years to life.
    He argues the trial court erred in excluding evidence of his lack of criminal record,
    there was insufficient evidence that four of the counts occurred in California, and he
    received ineffective assistance of counsel when trial counsel failed to comply with
    Evidence Code section 782, the Rape Shield Law, which prevented introduction of a
    prior molestation suffered by one of the victims. We reject each of these arguments.
    One of Zavala‟s arguments does have merit requiring reversal of the conviction on
    one count. Prior to trial, the trial court ruled that the interview of two of the victims, M
    and B, conducted by the Child Abuse Response Team (the CART interviews) were
    admissible pursuant to Evidence Code section 1360. This section permits introduction of
    a statement made before trial by a victim under the age of 12 describing any act of child
    abuse performed on the child. Zavala argues he received ineffective assistance of counsel
    when trial counsel failed to object to a portion of the interview of M that described an act
    of sodomy committed on B. We conclude trial counsel was ineffective for failing to
    object to this portion of the interview, and Zavala was prejudiced by the error because the
    remaining evidence on this count was insufficient to permit the jury to infer that Zavala
    sodomized B. Accordingly, the conviction for violating section 288.7, subdivision (a)
    (sodomy with a child who is 10 years of age or younger) as alleged in count 17 must be
    reversed.
    1 We do so to protect the identity of the minor children. For the same reason we
    will refer to the victims only by their first initial. No disrespect is intended.
    2   All statutory references are to the Penal Code unless otherwise stated.
    2.
    FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL SUMMARY
    The First Amended Information
    The first amended information contained a total of seventeen counts alleging
    Zavala sexually abused E, M, and B. The charges included violations of section 288,
    subdivision (a) (lewd and lascivious acts on a child under the age of 14), section 288,
    subdivision (b)(1) (lewd and lascivious acts on a child under the age of 14 by force),
    section 288.7, subdivision (a) (sexual intercourse or sodomy with a child 10 years of age
    or younger), and section 288.7, subdivision (b) (oral copulation with a child 10 years of
    age or younger).
    Specifically, the information included four counts alleging E was the victim of
    violations of section 288, subdivision (a), seven counts alleging M was the victim of
    violations of section 288, subdivision (a), two counts alleging M was the victim of
    violations of section 288.7, subdivision (a), one count alleging M was the victim of a
    violation of section 288.7, subdivision (b), one count alleging B was the victim of a
    violation of section 288, subdivision (a), and one count alleging B was the victim of a
    violation of section 288.7, subdivision (a). Each count alleging that Zavala violated
    section 288, subdivisions (a) or (b)(1) included a special allegation that there were
    multiple victims within the meaning of section 667.61, subdivision (b).
    The Testimony
    The first victim to testify was E, who was 14 at the time of trial and had just
    started the eighth grade. At the time of the abuse, she lived with her mother, her two
    sisters, and a brother. Her mother‟s boyfriend, Zavala, also lived in the mobile home.
    When E was 13, Zavala touched her in a manner that made her uncomfortable.
    The first time Zavala touched E on her thigh while she was in her room. The touching
    expanded to other areas. The two were in Zavala‟s truck the first time Zavala touched
    E‟s breasts. While Zavala was driving he reached over to E and put his hand under her
    shirt and fondled her breast. When the truck stopped, Zavala unbuckled E‟s pants and
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    fondled her vaginal area. Zavala told E that she should not tell anyone what had
    occurred.
    On a different occasion Zavala touched E‟s breasts again. This incident occurred
    in the room Zavala shared with mother. Zavala touched E‟s breast over her shirt on that
    occasion.
    Zavala also touched E‟s genitalia on different occasions. On one occasion the
    family had gone to a hotel in Porterville. E‟s sisters, M and B, were also present. The
    children were watching television while E‟s mother was in the shower. Zavala was lying
    on the bed with E when he put his hand down E‟s pants.
    On cross-examination, E remembered an incident where Zavala was teaching her
    how to drive his truck. E sat on his lap. While E was driving, Zavala put his hands on
    her vaginal area.
    E never discussed these incidents with her sisters.
    Zavala was confronted when E told her grandmother about the incidents. He
    denied the allegations, and E‟s mother believed Zavala. E then reported the matter to
    someone at school and the police were called. The investigating officers then asked E to
    make a phone call to Zavala to discuss the incidents. During the phone call, Zavala told
    E he would not touch her again.
    Tulare County Deputy Sheriff Beatriz Reveles was present during the pretext
    phone call E made to Zavala. Both Zavala and E spoke in Spanish during the call.
    Reveles, who is fluent in Spanish, related that E told Zavala she was not going to return
    home because she did not want him to touch her anymore. Zavala promised he would not
    touch her again and told her to come home. E stated that Zavala touched her while they
    were driving to get the car fixed, and Zavala stated it was just that one time, and he would
    not do it again. When E stated a friend recommended she call the police, Zavala stated
    again he would not touch her again, and she should come home. Neither E nor Zavala
    explained what they meant by touching during the conversation.
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    B was seven at the time of trial and in the second grade. She had a difficult time
    testifying, but related that Zavala touched her in her vaginal area on more than one
    occasion. She discussed these incidents with E and M.
    M was eight at the time of trial and in the third grade. She also had difficulty
    testifying, but she related that Zavala touched her on more than one occasion while they
    were in Colorado. She also testified that Zavala touched her private part while they lived
    with her grandparents in California on more than one occasion. On each occasion they
    were in the room Zavala shared with mother when this occurred. Zavala told M to keep
    the touching a secret.
    M also saw Zavala touch B in the car. Zavala, mother, M, and B drove to the
    store. When mother was in the store, Zavala told B to sit on his lap. M initially stated
    she could not recall where Zavala touched B. She was able, however, to circle on a
    picture the part of Zavala‟s body that touched B. At the time, Zavala had his zipper
    pulled down. She also identified which part of B‟s body that Zavala touched by circling
    the area on a picture, and referred to it as B‟s bottom. B had her pants off at the time.
    The same thing happened to M when they were in Colorado. Finally, she related that
    Zavala had touched her front private area with his private part while they resided in
    California. Zavala also made M touch his private part with her hand.
    Margie Jessen, a forensic nurse, was unable to examine B because she was upset
    and uncooperative. Jessen was able to examine M. The vaginal exam was unremarkable.
    Jessen did find a laceration in the perianal area (the skin between the vagina and the
    anus). The injury was in the process of healing, and appeared to be fairly recent, but it
    was not possible to determine exactly when the injury occurred. Jessen could not opine
    on what may have caused the injury.
    Zavala testified in his own defense. He denied any wrongdoing, and asserted the
    allegations must be false because there were always several adults present at the mobile
    home, and thus someone would have seen him had he abused the children.
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    The Interviews
    In addition to the testimony of the children, the CART interviews of M and B were
    played for the jury.
    M initially denied that Zavala did anything to hurt her. She began her disclosure
    by admitting Zavala would kiss her on the mouth with his mouth open, and he would put
    his tongue in her mouth. She then admitted Zavala would touch her vaginal area with his
    hands and move his hand around. M estimated Zavala had done that to her more than 10
    times. M told Zavala to stop, but he wouldn‟t. He has also touched her vaginal area with
    his penis “hundreds of times.”
    When they were in Colorado, Zavala sodomized M. M saw blood on her panties
    and on toilet paper she used after Zavala did this. Her mother saw the blood on her
    panties and M told her mother what occurred. Her mother then returned to California.
    Zavala also licked M‟s breasts “a lot,” licked her vaginal area about 10 times, and
    touched her breasts, but only while in Colorado. Zavala also made M orally copulate
    him. M threw up after that occurred. Zavala made her copulate him about 10 times in
    California, and 20 times in Colorado.
    M also saw Zavala sodomize B.
    In her interview, B also related the living arrangements, and stated that Zavala
    tried to touch her. However, B was unable or unwilling to describe details of what
    occurred.
    The Verdict and Sentencing
    The jury found Zavala guilty as charged, and found each special allegation true.
    The trial court stayed the sentence on two counts pursuant to section 654, and imposed
    the sentence on each remaining count consecutively for a total indeterminate term of 255
    years to life.
    6.
    DISCUSSION
    I.      Exclusion of Evidence
    During his testimony, defense counsel asked Zavala if he had any prior felony
    convictions. The trial court sustained the prosecution‟s objection. Zavala argues the trial
    court‟s ruling was erroneous because his lack of prior convictions was relevant to prove
    his good character, and the evidence was not precluded by Evidence Code section 1102.
    Evidence Code section 1101, subdivision (a) provides that “evidence of a person‟s
    character or a trait of his or her character” is not admissible when offered to prove that
    person acted in a specific manner on a specified occasion. This section, however, is
    subject to certain exceptions.
    The exception on which Zavala relies is found in Evidence Code section 1102,
    which provides that in a criminal action, “evidence of the defendant‟s character or a trait
    of his character in the form of an opinion or evidence of his reputation” is admissible if
    the evidence is offered by the defendant to prove he acted in conformity with this
    character trait (subd. (a)), or offered by the prosecution to rebut the defendant‟s evidence
    (subd. (b)).
    Zavala recognizes that by its terms, Evidence Code section 1102 is limited to
    opinions and evidence of reputation. Implicitly, he concedes his lack of felony
    convictions is not opinion evidence or evidence of his reputation. Nonetheless, he argues
    this limitation on character evidence was abrogated when the voters passed the “Right to
    Truth-in-Evidence” provision contained in Proposition 8. This provision, found in article
    I, section 28(f)(2) of the California Constitution, states “Except as provided by statute
    hereafter enacted by a two-thirds vote of the membership in each house of the
    Legislature, relevant evidence shall not be excluded in any criminal proceeding,
    including pretrial and post conviction motions and hearings, or in any trial or hearing of a
    juvenile for a criminal offense, whether heard in juvenile or adult court. Nothing in this
    section shall affect any existing statutory rule of evidence relating to privilege or hearsay,
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    or Evidence Code section 352, 782 or 1103. Nothing in this section shall affect any
    existing statutory or constitutional right of the press.”
    Zavala‟s argument was rejected in People v. Felix (1999) 
    70 Cal.App.4th 426
    , 432
    (Felix). In Felix, the prosecution introduced evidence that the defendant had suffered a
    prior conviction to rebut evidence defendant presented pursuant to Evidence Code section
    1102. The prosecution argued that even though the prior conviction was not an opinion
    or evidence of reputation, this limitation was abrogated by Proposition 8‟s “Right to
    Truth-in-Evidence” provision. The appellate court rejected this contention and explained
    that Evidence Code section 1101, 1102, and 1103 remain “viable and exclude[] relevant
    character evidence except as specified” therein. (Felix at p. 432.)
    Zavala unsuccessfully seeks to distinguish Felix by asserting the issue in Felix was
    the admission of a prior conviction, while he sought to introduce evidence that he had not
    suffered a prior conviction. The “distinction” provides no relief to appellant. Each
    situation involves seeking to introduce evidence of prior conduct – either past convictions
    or absence of past convictions. Neither situation is evidence of reputation or opinion
    evidence. Accordingly, Zavala is subject to the rule stated in Felix, which we agree is the
    proper resolution of this argument. Therefore, the trial court did not err in excluding the
    evidence of Zavala‟s no felony conviction history.
    Since there was no error, it is not necessary to address Zavala‟s contentions that
    exclusion of the evidence resulted in a denial of his right to due process, or that he
    suffered reversible prejudice by the ruling. We merely note the exclusion of this
    evidence could not possibly have deprived Zavala of any constitutional right, nor did the
    exclusion cause him any discernible prejudice. The jury heard each witness testify, heard
    Zavala deny the accusations, and rendered a verdict finding him guilty of every charge.
    Simply hearing that Zavala had not been convicted of a felony in the past would have had
    little or no effect in the jury‟s deliberations. After all, simply because one had not
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    previously been convicted of a felony does not mean or suggest that one has not
    committed a crime in the past, or is not guilty of the charged crimes.
    II.    Ineffective Assistance of Counsel – Admission of Evidence
    In count 17, Zavala was convicted of violating section 288.7, subdivision (a),
    engaging in intercourse or sodomy with a child. The victim in this count was B.
    B did not testify to an act of intercourse or sodomy at trial, nor in the CART
    interview. Nor did either M or E testify to an act of intercourse or sodomy between B
    and Zavala.
    The only evidence to support this count came from M‟s CART interview, where
    she told the interviewer that she had observed Zavala sodomize B. The issue is whether
    M‟s CART interview was admissible to prove a crime was committed against B.
    Zavala‟s attorney did not object to this portion of M‟s CART interview. Consequently,
    Zavala frames his argument as one of ineffective assistance of counsel, asserting that the
    evidence should have been excluded.
    A defendant is entitled to a new trial if he received ineffective assistance of
    counsel at trial. (People v. Lagunas (1994) 
    8 Cal.4th 1030
    , 1036.) “Establishing a claim
    of ineffective assistance of counsel requires the defendant to demonstrate (1) counsel‟s
    performance was deficient in that it fell below an objective standard of reasonableness
    under prevailing professional norms, and (2) counsel‟s deficient representation prejudiced
    the defendant, i.e., there is a „reasonable probability‟ that, but for counsel‟s failings,
    defendant would have obtained a more favorable result. [Citations.] A „reasonable
    probability‟ is one that is enough to undermine confidence in the outcome. [Citations.]
    [¶] Our review is deferential; we make every effort to avoid the distorting effects of
    hindsight and to evaluate counsel‟s conduct from counsel‟s perspective at the time.
    [Citation.] A court must indulge a strong presumption that counsel‟s acts were within the
    wide range of reasonable professional assistance. [Citation.] … Nevertheless, deference
    is not abdication; it cannot shield counsel‟s performance from meaningful scrutiny or
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    automatically validate challenged acts and omissions. [Citation.]” (People v. Dennis
    (1998) 
    17 Cal.4th 468
    , 540-541.)
    In this case, the only issue is whether counsel should have objected to this portion
    of the CART interview. If the objection would have been sustained, then trial counsel
    was ineffective because M‟s statement was the only evidence to support this count.
    We turn to the question of whether this portion of M‟s statement should have been
    excluded had a proper objection been made. Prior to trial, the prosecution made a motion
    to play the interview relying on Evidence Code section 1360 as authority for the
    admission of the CART interview. The trial court granted the motion.
    Evidence Code section 1360, subdivision (a) states that in a criminal case
    involving child abuse or neglect, “a statement made by the victim when under the age of
    12 describing any act of child abuse or neglect performed with or on the child by
    another” is admissible notwithstanding the hearsay rule, subject to certain conditions that
    are not at issue.
    Zavala focuses on the portion of this subdivision that limits out of court statements
    to an “an act of child abuse … performed with or on the child.” (Evid. Code, § 1360,
    subd. (a).) In M‟s statement, she was relaying information about child abuse that was
    performed on B. Because, according to Zavala, Evidence Code section 1360 limits such
    statements to acts of abuse performed on the child giving the statement, the trial court
    would have been required to exclude the portion of M‟s CART interview that described
    Zavala sodomizing B had a proper objection been made.
    The People concede that Evidence Code section 1360 permits only statements by
    the victim that describe abuse done to the victim. However, the People argue reversal
    was not required because there was no prejudice and the failure to object was a tactical
    choice.
    The People argue that counsel was not ineffective. The People‟s argument,
    reduced to its essence, is that because Zavala defended against the charges by asserting
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    the children were fabricating the incidents, there was no need to object to the portion of
    the CART interview wherein M described Zavala sodomizing B. According to the
    People, this was a valid tactical choice made by trial counsel. We reject this view.
    We agree that Zavala‟s defense was predicated on an assertion the children were
    fabricating the charges against him. Nonetheless, there can be no justification for
    acceding to introduction of the only evidence submitted to prove a single count (which
    carried a sentence of 25 years to life) if that evidence was objectionable. Nor is there any
    reason to permit evidence that was objectionable simply because there was other
    evidence that supported the count. There is no rational tactical choice to take such a risk.
    The real issue is whether there is other evidence that supported the conviction such
    that the failure to object did not cause Zavala any prejudice. We have summarized M‟s
    testimony on the issue above, but need to now review this testimony in greater detail.
    Consistent with her age, M was initially a hesitant witness, not providing any
    details of what may have occurred. As she testified, the prosecutor was able to elicit
    additional information from her. Eventually she admitted that she observed Zavala touch
    B when they were going to the store with her mother. When her mother went into the
    store, Zavala told B to sit on his lap. M stated she could not remember where Zavala
    touched B, and she could not remember what happened.
    When the prosecutor pressed for more details, M remained hesitant. She testified
    she could not remember what part of Zavala‟s body touched B. When asked if Zavala
    touched B with his hand, M said no. When asked if Zavala touched B with another part
    of his body, M testified “I think something on his body.” When asked what part of
    Zavala‟s body touched B, M stated she forgot. She then stated she thought she could
    circle the part of his body on a picture. Apparently she circled the man‟s penis in the
    drawing. M went on to explain that Zavala had his pants on, but unzipped. She then
    stated, “He unzipped them and he did it to [B].” When asked where Zavala put his penis,
    M circled a picture of the girl‟s bottom. M also testified that B took her pants off.
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    In contrast, in her CART interview, M stated she saw Zavala sodomize B.
    We conclude that from this testimony that it is not possible to conclude that Zavala
    penetrated B, as is required for a sodomy conviction. (§ 286, subd. (a); People v. Farnam
    (2002) 
    28 Cal.4th 107
    , 143.) There was no evidence of (1) trauma or bruising to B‟s
    anus, (2) semen in B‟s rectum, or (c) testimony from either B or M that B suffered any
    pain during or after the incident. (See, generally, People v. Farnam, 
    supra,
     28 Cal.4th at
    pp. 143-144; People v. Adams (1993) 
    19 Cal.App.4th 412
    , 428-429; and People v.
    Thomas (1986) 
    180 Cal.App.3d 47
    , 54-56.)
    The lack of evidence of penetration in M‟s testimony at trial compels the
    conclusion that the jury relied on the statements M made in the CART interview in
    finding Zavala guilty of sodomizing B as alleged in count 17. Because the jury relied on
    evidence that would have been excluded had a proper objection been made, we are also
    compelled to conclude trial counsel‟s omission was prejudicial, and that Zavala received
    ineffective assistance of counsel on this count. The conviction on count 17 must be
    reversed.
    III.   Ineffective Assistance of Counsel – Failure to Comply with Evidence
    Code section 782
    The record indicates that E had previously been sexually abused by her stepfather
    and an uncle while she lived with her family in Utah. It appears the stepfather was
    prosecuted and convicted for these assaults, while the uncle fled.
    Prior to trial, the prosecution moved to exclude any evidence of these assaults.
    The trial court granted the motion finding, in part, that Zavala failed to comply with the
    provisions of Evidence Code section 782, the Rape Shield Law, which establishes the
    procedure a defendant must follow before using the complaining witness‟s prior sexual
    conduct to attack his or her credibility. Zavala argues counsel was ineffective because he
    failed to comply with the requirements of the code section.
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    This argument must be rejected because it is based on mere speculation. The
    record reveals only that “there is some evidence that [E] was molested by her stepfather”
    and an uncle, and the stepfather was incarcerated in Utah. There is no evidence in the
    record of how E was molested, or to what crime the stepfather had pled or been
    convicted.
    Zavala asks us to conclude the molestation M suffered in Utah influenced her
    testimony in this trial. We cannot reach this conclusion because the record is incomplete.
    Without knowing what occurred in Utah, we have no evidentiary basis for comparing the
    two incidents. Without this evidentiary basis, it is impossible to draw any conclusion
    about whether the Utah incident influenced M in Zavala‟s trial.
    It has long been a staple of appellate practice that claims of ineffective assistance
    of counsel are more likely to succeed if raised in a writ of habeas corpus. “[N]ormally a
    claim of ineffective assistance of counsel is appropriately raised in a petition for writ of
    habeas corpus [citation], where relevant facts and circumstances not reflected in the
    record on appeal, such as counsel‟s reasons for pursuing or not pursuing a particular trial
    strategy, can be brought to light to inform the two-pronged inquiry of whether counsel‟s
    „representation fell below an objective standard of reasonableness,‟ and whether „there is
    a reasonable probability that, but for counsel‟s unprofessional errors, the result of the
    proceeding would have been different.‟ [Citation.]” (People v. Snow (2003) 
    30 Cal.4th 43
    , 111.) This is a case where information not contained in the record would have to be
    presented before it is possible to determine if there is any merit to the claim. On this
    record, there is no merit to the assertion that Zavala received ineffective assistance of
    counsel relative to Evidence Code section 782.
    IV.    Sufficiency of the Evidence
    The testimony and CART interviews established that Zavala, M, B, and mother
    went to Colorado for approximately a two-week period during which M and B were
    molested. Zavala argues his conviction on counts 10, 11, 12, and 14 must be reversed
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    because it was unclear from the testimony whether the acts supporting these convictions
    occurred in California or in Colorado.
    Since “[i]t long has been established that a state will entertain a criminal
    proceeding only to enforce its own criminal laws, and will not assume authority to
    enforce the penal laws of other states or the federal government through criminal
    prosecutions in its state courts” (People v. Betts (2005) 
    34 Cal.4th 1039
    , 1046), Zavala
    may not be convicted of crimes that occurred in Colorado. The issue, therefore, is
    whether there is sufficient evidence in the record to support the jury‟s conclusion that the
    challenged crimes were committed in California. In resolving this argument, we must
    review the trial testimony and the CART interviews.
    Our review of the sufficiency of the evidence is deferential. We “ „review the
    whole record in the light most favorable to the judgment below to determine whether it
    discloses substantial evidence – that is, evidence which is reasonable, credible, and of
    solid value - such that a reasonable trier of fact could find the defendant guilty beyond a
    reasonable doubt.‟ [Citation.]” (People v. Hillhouse (2002) 
    27 Cal.4th 469
    , 496; People
    v. Superior Court (Jones) (1998) 
    18 Cal.4th 667
    , 681.) We focus on the whole record,
    not isolated bits of evidence. (People v. Slaughter (2002) 
    27 Cal.4th 1187
    , 1203.) We
    presume the existence of every fact the trier of fact reasonably could deduce from the
    evidence that supports the judgment. (People v. Kraft (2000) 
    23 Cal.4th 978
    , 1053.) We
    will not substitute our evaluations of a witness‟s credibility for that of the trier of fact.
    (People v. Koontz (2002) 
    27 Cal.4th 1041
    , 1078.)
    A. Counts 10 and 11 – Lewd and Lascivious Acts against M
    Zavala was convicted of violating section 288, subdivision (a) in counts 10 and 11
    by performing lewd and lascivious acts on M. The information described count 10 as
    Zavala putting his penis to the buttocks of M for the first time, and count 11 as Zavala
    putting his penis to the buttocks of M for the last time. The issue is whether there is
    evidence that Zavala committed such an act in California on two occasions.
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    We conclude there is substantial evidence to support these two counts. While M‟s
    testimony in the CART interview seems to limit such acts to the period of time M was in
    Colorado, during cross-examination by trial counsel she stated that Zavala touched her on
    the back in the house, and on another occasion Zavala touched her bottom in front of the
    store causing her pain. Both of these events occurred in California.
    It is true that M‟s testimony was not explicitly detailed, but she was seven when
    she was molested, and eight when she testified.3 It is unreasonable to suggest a child of
    that age could testify with the same clarity as an adult. The fact her testimony related to
    molestation made testifying even more difficult. (See, e.g., People v. Johnson (2002) 
    28 Cal.4th 240
    , 242 [section 288.5, continuous sexual abuse of a minor enacted to solve
    problem of children‟s testimony which failed to identify with specificity the date or place
    acts occurred].) However, her references to being touched on her buttocks occurred
    when she was describing acts of molestation by Zavala, and the jury could reasonably
    and logically infer the acts were lewd and lascivious within the meaning of section 288,
    subdivision (a). Accordingly, there was substantial evidence to support the verdict on
    these two counts.
    B. Count 12
    The information alleged in count 12 that Zavala violated section 288, subdivision
    (b)(1) by forcing M to copulate him. The only testimony related to this incident was in
    3 M responded yes to the question of whether Zavala touched her on her front
    private part while at the house, which referred to the house in Tulare County. Trial
    counsel then asked her if Zavala touched her on her back at that time, to which M
    responded yes. When asked if she had her clothes on, M responded she could not
    remember.
    M also described an incident where Zavala put B in his lap while the three of them
    were in the car, and mother was inside of a store. After B moved, M testified that Zavala
    told her to get on his lap. M said she had her clothes on. A short while later she repeated
    that Zavala touched her buttocks while in the car. M responded affirmatively when asked
    if Zavala ever hurt her buttocks.
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    the CART interview. In the interview, M described an incident where Zavala “pushed”
    her “head all the way in his thingy” causing her to throw up. She stated this incident
    occurred in the room, and it was repeated about 10 times, always in “his room.” When
    asked if it every happened anywhere else, M responded negatively. The next question the
    interviewer asked was whether such an incident occurred in Colorado, and M stated it
    had approximately 20 times.
    It is clear that at trial and in the CART interview that references to “his room”
    referred to the bedroom Zavala shared with mother in the house in Tulare County. This
    location is confirmed by the fact that in addition to the 10 times Zavala forced her to
    copulate him in his bedroom, he also forced her to do so 20 times in Colorado. The only
    logical and rational interpretation of this testimony was that Zavala forced M to orally
    copulate him numerous times in both Tulare County and in Colorado. Accordingly, there
    was substantial evidence to support the conviction of this count.
    C. Count 14
    The information alleged that Zavala violated section 288.7, subdivision (a) by
    engaging in an act of intercourse or sodomy with M while he was over 18, and M was 10
    years of age or younger. The only evidence in the record to support this count is found in
    the CART interview.
    M provided detailed information about acts of sodomy performed by Zavala on
    her while they were in Colorado. Initially, she denied that Zavala did so in California.
    However, she consistently stated that the only individuals that went to Colorado were
    Zavala, mother, M, and M‟s brother. B did not go to Colorado.
    Later in the interview, M was asked if Zavala sodomized anyone else. M related
    that Zavala had done the same thing to B. When asked how she knew Zavala did that, M
    stated that she was in the car with B and Zavala waiting while her mother went shopping.
    While in the car waiting, M saw Zavala sodomize B. The interviewer asked if Zavala had
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    also done that to her in the car, M replied yes, and stated that it hurt her. M then
    explained that Zavala put his “ „thingy‟ in the hole where you poop.”
    Since B was not in Colorado, then the only logical interpretation of this evidence
    is that this incident occurred in California. Accordingly, there is substantial evidence to
    support this count.
    DISPOSITION
    The conviction for violating section 288.7, subdivision (a) as alleged in count 17 is
    reversed. In all other respects, the judgment is affirmed. The matter is remanded to the
    trial court to amend the abstract of judgment accordingly, and to transmit certified copies
    of the amended abstract to all appropriate parties and entities.
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    Poochigian, J.
    WE CONCUR:
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    Kane, Acting P.J.
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    Franson, J.
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