People v. Godbolt CA2/2 ( 2021 )


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  • Filed 4/2/21 P. v. Godbolt CA2/2
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    IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
    SECOND APPELLATE DISTRICT
    DIVISION TWO
    THE PEOPLE,                                                       B302235
    Plaintiff and Respondent,                               (Los Angeles County
    Super. Ct. No. KA116437)
    v.
    ORDER MODIFYING OPINION
    JAYLIN GODBOLT et al.,                                            AND DENYING PETITION FOR
    REHEARING
    Defendants and Appellants.                              [CHANGE IN JUDGMENT]
    THE COURT:
    The opinion filed herein on March 12, 2021, is modified as
    follows:
    The DISPOSITION at pages 58–59 is deleted in its
    entirety. The following DISPOSITION is inserted in its place:
    DISPOSITION
    Appellants’ convictions for the attempted murder of Manuel
    Jose Jimenez are reversed. Appellants’ cases are remanded with
    directions to enter new sentences that reflect the reversal of the
    convictions for the attempted murder of Manuel Jose Jimenez
    and the striking of the associated enhancements. With respect to
    each appellant, the sentence is to be reduced by a term of 40
    years to life imprisonment, comprised of 15 years for the offense
    and 25 years for the enhancement under Penal Code section
    12022.53, subdivision (d), resulting in the following new
    sentences: Godbolt for a term of 230 years to life; Ray for a term
    of 230 years to life; and Wise for a term of 170 years to life.
    The judgment as to Godbolt is to be corrected to provide for
    a court security fee of $930 under Penal Code section 1465.8 and
    a criminal conviction assessment of $1,240 under Government
    Code section 70373.
    The superior court is directed to correct the abstracts of
    judgment as follows:
    (1) In Godbolt’s abstract, the number of determinate years
    is to be reduced from 252 to 250 (abstract, p. 1, para. 6) and the
    sentence is to be reduced by 40 years to reflect the reversal of the
    conviction for the attempted murder of Manuel Jose Jimenez;
    also in Godbolt’s abstract, in all but the 25 robbery counts, the
    convictions must be shown to be based on convictions by a jury
    instead of being based on pleas.
    (2) In Ray’s abstract, in all but the 28 robbery counts, the
    convictions must be shown to be based on convictions by a jury
    instead of being based on pleas; and the sentence is to be reduced
    by 40 years to reflect the reversal of the conviction for the
    attempted murder of Manuel Jose Jimenez.
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    (3) In Wise’s abstract, the sentence is to be reduced by 40
    years to reflect the reversal of the conviction for the attempted
    murder of Manuel Jose Jimenez.
    The superior court shall issue new abstracts of judgment
    that correct the errors noted and that reflect the new sentences
    imposed on appellants. The court shall forward the new
    abstracts of judgment to the Department of Corrections and
    Rehabilitation.
    In all other respects, the judgments are affirmed.
    This modification changes the judgment.
    The petition for rehearing filed March 18, 2021, is denied.
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    LUI, P. J.              CHAVEZ, J.           HOFFSTADT, J.
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    Filed 3/12/21 P. v. Godbolt CA2/2 (unmodified opinion)
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    IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
    SECOND APPELLATE DISTRICT
    DIVISION TWO
    THE PEOPLE,                                                             B302235
    Plaintiff and Respondent,                                     (Los Angeles County
    Super. Ct. No. KA116437)
    v.
    JAYLIN GODBOLT et al.,
    Defendants and Appellants.
    APPEALS from judgments of the Superior Court of
    Los Angeles County, Steven D. Blades, Judge. Affirmed in part,
    reversed in part, and remanded with directions.
    Benjamin Owens, under appointment by the Court of
    Appeal, for Defendant and Appellant Jaylin Godbolt.
    Patricia Ihara, under appointment by the Court of Appeal,
    for Defendant and Appellant Sean Ray.
    David Y. Stanley, under appointment by the Court of
    Appeal, for Defendant and Appellant Branden M. Wise.
    Xavier Becerra, Attorney General, Lance E. Winters,
    Chief Assistant Attorney General, Susan Sullivan Pithey,
    Assistant Attorney General, Noah P. Hill, and Thomas C. Hsieh,
    Deputy Attorneys General, for Plaintiff and Respondent.
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    Jaylin Godbolt (Godbolt), Sean Ray (Ray), and Branden
    Wise (Wise), collectively referred to as appellants, were jointly
    tried before a jury which found them guilty of first degree
    murder, four attempted murders, and of shooting at an inhabited
    building. Godbolt and Ray appeal from judgments imposing on
    each of them terms of imprisonment of 270 years to life and Wise
    appeals from a judgment and sentence of 210 years to life
    imprisonment.
    We reject appellants’ contention that their jailhouse
    statements admitting these charges should have been excluded.
    We conclude that one of the attempted murder convictions must
    be reversed because it is not supported by any evidence. We find
    that errors in the abstracts of judgment must be corrected. We
    remand the cases with directions to enter new sentences that
    exclude the convictions for one of the attempted murders, to
    correct the errors in the abstracts of judgment that are noted in
    our opinion, and to issue new abstracts of judgment reflecting
    these changes. Otherwise, we affirm the judgments.
    Prior to the trial which resulted in this appeal, Godbolt
    pleaded no contest to 25 counts of robbery and he admitted gang
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    (Pen. Code, § 186.22(b)(1)(C)),1 firearm (§§ 12022.53(b)(e)(1),
    12022(a)(1)), and “on-bail”2 enhancements. The pleas were in
    exchange for the agreed upon disposition of a sentence of 20 years
    and included a waiver of appellate rights as to these robbery
    charges.
    Also prior to trial, Ray pleaded nolo contendere to 28 counts
    of robbery and 2 counts of possessing a firearm in a vehicle. He
    admitted the gang, firearm, and “on-bail” enhancements. As with
    Godbolt, the agreed upon disposition was a determinate sentence
    of 20 years and a waiver of appellate rights as to these charges.
    THE VERDICTS AND THE SENTENCES
    All three appellants were found guilty of the first degree
    murder of Florencio Ramirez. Gang enhancements and multiple
    firearm enhancements were found to be true of these crimes.
    Appellants were also found guilty of the attempted murders of
    Nancy Orozco, Stephanie Gastelo, Maria Alvarez, and Manuel
    Jose Jimenez. Each of these attempted murders were found to be
    willful, deliberate, and premeditated. Gang enhancements and
    multiple firearm enhancements were found to be true as to each
    of these four crimes. Godbolt and Ray were found guilty of
    shooting at an inhabited building and once again gang
    enhancements and several firearm enhancements were found to
    be true. Godbolt admitted “on-bail” enhancements as to all of
    these crimes.
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    1Statutory references are to the Penal Code unless
    otherwise noted.
    2This enhancement is based on the fact that at the time of
    the commission of the offense, the defendant had been released
    from custody on his own recognizance or on bail. (§ 12022.1.)
    3
    Godbolt was sentenced to a total term of 270 years to life.
    This was composed of 25 years to life for the first degree murder,
    five times 15 years to life for the attempted murders and shooting
    at an inhabited building, and six times 25 years to life for the
    enhancement under section 12022.53(d),3 for a total of 250 years
    to life.4 Twenty years for the robberies was added under the
    terms of the plea agreement.
    Ray was sentenced to a total term of 270 years to life. The
    composition of this sentence was the same as Godbolt’s.5
    Wise was sentenced to a term of 210 years to life. His
    sentence was composed of 25 years to life for first degree murder,
    four times 15 years to life for the attempted murders and 125
    years to life for the five firearm enhancements.
    We address the specific fines and fees imposed in
    discussing the contentions advanced regarding these fines.
    The appeals are from the judgments.
    THE FACTS
    We summarize the facts of the counts that went to trial.
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    3 Thisenhancement is for personally and intentionally
    discharging firearm proximately causing great bodily injury.
    (§ 12022.53(d).)
    4 Godbolt’s abstract of judgment erroneously states that
    252 years were imposed on the counts that went to trial. The
    abstract of judgment is also in error in recording that all of
    Godbolt’s convictions were based on pleas. These errors will have
    to be corrected.
    5 The abstract of Ray’s judgment also needs to be corrected
    in that it shows the convictions to be based on pleas.
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    1. The Shootings
    The fusillade of gunfire that killed Florencio Ramirez and
    nearly produced four more murders took place against the
    backdrop of long-standing hostile tensions between the 76 East
    Coast Crips6 gang and the Florencia 13, a Hispanic gang, on turf
    that was disputed between these two warring factions.
    Appellants were members of the East Coast Crips, the 76 East
    Coast Crips being a subset neighborhood gang of the East Coast
    Crips.
    The shootings took place on August 19, 2017, shortly after
    midnight on 77th Street near Parmelee Avenue. A group of five
    on four bikes was proceeding south on Parmelee and turned on
    77th Street. They had been at the home of Nancy Orozco
    (Orozco) and Florencio Ramirez (Ramirez) and were on their way
    to another friend’s house. Orozco and Ramirez were on one bike.
    They were in the lead, followed by Manuel Jose Jimenez
    (Jimenez), Maria Alvarez (Alvarez), and Stephanie Gastelo
    (Gastelo). After a short exchange with a person in a white
    Cherokee, Gastelo saw a black Honda7 with its bottom lights lit
    on 77th Street. As Gastelo looked back, she saw the person in the
    left back come out of the Honda halfway and start shooting. The
    shots were aimed at Gastelo. She jumped off her bike after the
    first five shots and got between two cars; she felt she had been
    hit. The Honda moved up and got closer to Gastelo and two more
    shots were fired. Gastelo was hit in her buttocks and two more
    shots skinned her left elbow and left rib cage.
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    6   This refers to East Los Angeles.
    7   The Honda was a stolen vehicle.
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    Alvarez saw three people in the Honda shooting. They
    were the driver, the rear passenger and the front passenger who
    was firing out the window and over the hood of the car. They
    were shooting in Gastelo’s and Alvarez’s direction.8 Alvarez saw
    Jimenez run off on foot. Once the shooters stopped firing at
    Gastelo, they started shooting at Ramirez and Orozco who were
    trying to get behind a car. The Honda started to back up and
    Alvarez remembered thinking, “Oh, my God, we’re dead. We’re
    dead.”
    Orozco heard four or five shots and then Gastelo was
    yelling that they were shooting. Orozco was shot in her left
    buttock and she and Ramirez fell off the bike. Ramirez said he
    had been shot and he appeared to be in pain. Ramirez died as a
    result of a single gunshot that entered his back. He had “F13”
    tattooed on his body and was a member of the Florencia 13 gang.
    2. A prior altercation
    On August 8, 2017, two deputy sheriffs responded to a call
    reporting an illegal shooting on Parmelee Avenue. The deputies
    found two .9-millimeter casings, two .40-millimeter casings, and a
    live .40-caliber round on the scene.
    An Instagram posting by Ray on August 9, 2017, states
    that his car got shot up by the Florencia gang. Ray was arrested
    on August 13, 2017, for a traffic violation and was found to be in
    possession of a .9-millimeter Taurus pistol. The casings found on
    August 8, 2017, were found to have been fired by this pistol.
    Other casings found on August 8, 2017, were found to have been
    fired by a gun in the possession of a Florencia 13 gang member.
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    8 “It all happened so fast. It felt like the 4th of July that
    night.” (Alvarez testifying.)
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    3. Ray is arrested in possession of a weapon used in
    the shootings
    Among other objects, four .9-millimeter casings were found
    on the scene of the shootings by a forensic identification
    specialist.
    Ray was arrested on August 19, 2017, when he was spotted
    standing by the stolen Honda. A .9-millimeter gun was found in
    the car. The four .9-millimeter casings recovered from the scene
    of the shooting were fired from this gun.
    4. The investigation
    Detective Dean Camarillo (Camarillo) of the Los Angeles
    County Sheriff’s Department was assigned to investigate
    Ramirez’s murder. Camarillo arrived at the scene of the
    shootings in the early morning hours of August 19, 2017, and
    oversaw the collection of evidence.
    Camarillo had considerable experience with gangs and
    particularly with the Florencia 13 gang. He was also familiar
    with the 76 East Coast Crips. Over time, he became aware of the
    August 8, 2017 shooting involving Ray and a Florencia 13 gang
    member. He learned that Ray and Wise lived near each other,
    close to the site of the shootings, and that there was a connection
    between the two men. He also learned that Wise was in county
    jail. He decided to proceed with what he called a “Perkins
    operation” with Wise.9
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    9  We discuss Illinois v. Perkins (1990) 
    496 U.S. 292
    (Perkins) below. Camarillo and the parties to this appeal
    understand a “Perkins operation” to involve placing an informant
    in a jail cell with the target defendant.
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    Camarillo listened to a telephone call made by Godbolt
    from the jail to a female on July 27, 2018. In the call, Godbolt
    stated that the “CRIP”—meaning the informant—got him.
    5. Wise’s jailhouse statement10
    Wise’s questioning was conducted on January 8, 2018, at
    the downtown county jail facility in Los Angeles. 11
    Camarillo testified that he gave the confidential informant,
    who was placed in the cell with Wise, “very little” information.
    This was because he did not want the informant to “feed” Wise
    any information. “I want it to come from the target and/or myself
    during the interview.”
    Camarillo explained how the topic of the August 19, 2017
    shooting was raised with Wise: After a short while when Wise in
    the cell with the informant, Camarillo pulled “Wise from the jail
    cell, interview[ed] him about my current investigation, and then
    place[d] him back in. [¶] So under this type of setting, it’s not so
    much what they tell me. I’m more interested in what they go
    back in the cell and tell the undercover operative.” Camarillo
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    10 As we explain in section VII of the DISCUSSION, all the
    surrounding circumstances, including the details of the
    interrogation (People v. Thompson (1990) 
    50 Cal.3d 134
    , 166),
    must be taken into account in deciding whether the statements
    were voluntary. We stay as close as possible to the actual
    sequence and the words and expressions employed in the three
    encounters with the informants, even if this results in text that is
    clumsy and inartful. It is also important to note the free flow of
    the discussion, even though some of it is not directly relevant,
    because it shows the absence of pressure and compulsion.
    11
    The original information charging appellants was filed
    on November 7, 2018.
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    referred to this as a “stimulation” to get the target to discuss the
    topic that the investigating officers want discussed.
    Wise was placed in a cell with the confidential informant by
    the fictitious name of Stanley. 12
    The session commenced with one of the officers asking
    whether anybody wanted something to eat. When the informant
    declined, the officers asked whether anyone wanted juice. The
    informant said that would “work” and then told Wise that he
    looked young. The officer said that Wise could be taken to the
    medical clinic and asked again if Wise wanted something to
    drink, Wise said yes and the officer offered orange juice and
    asked if Wise was diabetic. It appears that at this point the
    officer left.
    The conversation between Wise and the informant started
    with the informant asking where Wise was from. Wise replied
    that he was from 76 East Coast. A general conversation ensued
    during which the informant projected the image of a man who
    knew and understood the criminal justice system.
    Camarillo entered and said that he worked with sheriff’s
    homicide and that they were investigating a homicide that
    happened last August and that Wise’s name had come up. He
    asked Wise and the informant to “hang tight” until his partner
    got there. Wise said he didn’t know what Camarillo was talking
    about. Camarillo said that was alright “big guy” and closed by
    saying, “Thank you, sir, I appreciate it.” Camarillo left.
    The informant told Wise to use his brain and figure out
    that somebody was “telling.” The informant cautioned Wise not
    to “go in there blind” and consider whether whoever he was with
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    12   This informant was paid $1,500 for his work.
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    was now in jail. The informant described how somebody was
    telling and that he, the informant, was “trying to help you out.”
    Wise said he didn’t know what Camarillo was talking about.
    Wise described an attempt to rob him.
    The informant went on for a while about going to court.
    Wise said he didn’t know what the police were talking about but
    the informant told him that they “know something” and that they
    had evidence. The informant now identified himself as an “OG,”
    which means old gangster.
    The informant pointed out that at the end of the day “they
    got you on a homicide.” Wise should “use [his] mind” and
    consider such things as self-defense. Should Wise play the
    victim?
    It was apparently at this point that Wise was taken out for
    the interview with Camarillo.
    Upon his return to the cell, Wise said that the police were
    talking about a shooting. Wise said they had showed him
    pictures of a car. The informant told Wise that he had to “clear
    me up so I can help you” and that somebody was “telling on you.”
    Wise said that one of the cars was stolen and the other was
    “his,” referring to Ray. The informant again said that somebody
    was snitching and described how the snitch would talk. The two
    men now talked about the man (Ray) with the car.
    Wise identified Ray as the person with the car. He said a
    female (“bitch”) was in the front seat, she was Ray’s girl, and she
    was in jail.
    The informant asked if there were two of them in the
    backseat and asked what happened to Wise’s “burner.” Wise said
    it jammed. Wise said the other person was Godbolt (“Jaylin”).
    The female’s name was Sierra. The informant went into a tirade
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    about snitching. Some conversation took place that is hard to
    follow but which led Wise to say: “I was in the backseat.”
    The informant speculated about Godbolt’s motivations in
    becoming a snitch. The conversation turned to cars and then to a
    discussion of bail about which the two men appeared to disagree.
    The balance of the recorded conversation contains nothing
    of note.
    At some point during the recorded conversation, Camarillo
    removed Wise from the cell and subjected him to an interview
    that lasted 30 to 40 minutes. Camarillo told Wise he had
    witnesses who identified Wise as seated in the rear passenger
    seat during the shooting on August 19, that they claimed that
    Wise was shooting out the window of the car, and who also
    identified Wise as being present at the shooting on August 8,
    2017. Neither statement was true and Wise denied both charges.
    Camarillo testified that he learned a great deal from the
    conversation between Wise and the informant. He learned that a
    stolen Honda was used in the shooting, that Wise was seated in
    the back passenger seat behind the driver, that a number of
    weapons were used, that Wise was unable to shoot with his gun
    because it wouldn’t work, and that Ray and Godbolt were also
    present.
    6. Godbolt’s jailhouse statement
    Godbolt was questioned on January 12, 2018. Camarillo
    used two undercover agents but otherwise used the same tactic of
    removing Godbolt at one point from the cell with the
    informants,13 questioning him and then returning him to the cell.
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    13 One of the two informants was the same one that had
    been used with Wise.
    11
    While being questioned by Camarillo, Godbolt was falsely
    told that his DNA had been found on the stolen car, which
    Godbolt denied.14 Godbolt also denied any knowledge of gangs
    and that he had been in the car at the time of the shooting.
    Godbolt’s session extends to nearly one hundred pages in
    the transcript. It commenced with Godbolt asking whether he
    was getting an “add-charge interview,” which was a question the
    deputy sheriff who was present could not answer. One of the two
    informants, however, said that it was going to be an add-charge
    interview. Godbolt then identified himself as an East Coast Crip
    and acknowledged that “they” were trying to give him a life
    sentence for some robberies. The informant advised Godbolt to
    listen to what the police had to say. When asked about his case,
    Godbolt said he was there for 22 robberies and a home invasion.
    The informant told Godbolt to stay strong.
    The two men then talked for a while about a female.
    The informant asked Godbolt whether he had been on
    probation and Godbolt answered that he was told that he would
    get probation. Both of the informants discussed the 22 robbery
    charges Godbolt was facing. Godbolt said he was in a single-man
    cell and the informant said that was the best way to be. The talk
    between the two informants and Godbolt turned to guns. Godbolt
    said they were charging him with a gang enhancement. The
    informant said they could not charge him with a gang
    enhancement.
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    14 Camarillo went so far as to show Godbolt a fictitious and
    false Department of Justice DNA report.
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    Godbolt said he was 19 and hoped to be out by the time he
    was 30. When Godbolt said that his state-appointed lawyer had
    come to see him three times, the informant said: “Hopefully, they
    throw you a sweet little deal.” The two informants discussed that
    Godbolt had not been in jail before. The discussion turned to
    food.
    Camarillo appeared and introduced himself. He said that,
    as soon as his partner arrived, he wanted to talk to Godbolt about
    a murder that happened last year in Compton. Godbolt said, “All
    right.” Camarillo left.
    The informants noted that it was “homicide.” One of the
    informants said that somebody threw Godbolt’s name under the
    bus. The informant said somebody was telling. Godbolt
    responded “this shit is crazy.” Godbolt said one of his “homeys”
    got caught with a gun and that “this shit got me shaking.”
    Godbolt wished they would hurry up and talk to him. The
    informant said: “So you can know what the fuck is going on.”
    The informant said he was speaking from experience that
    someone was telling; Godbolt agreed. The informant advised
    Godbolt to listen. The informant repeated this advice.
    A long and largely unintelligible conversation between the
    two informants followed during which Godbolt appears to have
    been in the interview with Camarillo.
    Godbolt reappeared and one of the informants asked if he
    was all right. Godbolt said yes, he was “straight.” The informant
    asked if they were snitching and Godbolt said yes; people were
    saying “my name is in it.” Godbolt said he was told his DNA was
    found. The informant asked who had been shot and Godbolt said
    it was “Florence.” The informant asked “do you got a feeling of
    which one is the bitch, which one is the snitch,” and Godbolt said
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    yes. Godbolt said they had his DNA and had interviewed
    everybody but he wasn’t telling them anything. The informant
    said, “You did right. Just listen.”
    Godbolt said they found no gun. The informant asked
    whose car it was. Godbolt said it was a stolen car. Godbolt said
    his “homey” went down for the stolen car and he knew the police
    questioned him first. The informant said that Godbolt’s “crimie”
    was a “bitch” (referring to Ray), and Godbolt agreed.
    Referring to the August 8 incident involving Ray, Godbolt
    reported that they asked him whether he was with Ray but he
    said he did not remember.
    The informant asked Godbolt whether he was with Ray
    “when they did the shit in that other car.” Godbolt said yes.
    (This may have been the first reference to the August 19
    shootings.) The informant said, “Oh, my God.” Godbolt said they
    did not get the gun because he got rid of it.
    Godbolt said the murder was five months ago. He
    confirmed Ray was there also. Godbolt said: “All three—all four
    of us. The girl—the girl was with us in that car.” The informant
    asked: “All four of you are up on in here?” Godbolt said yes.
    Godbolt said they had been investigating the murder for six
    months and had “seen the stolen car . . . they see the stolen car
    hit the corner of the same block of this murder, so that’s how they
    got the license plates, and they knew it was a stolen car.”
    The informant said you never know “which one is telling,”
    and Godbolt said he knew who was telling. Godbolt said when
    people get caught for murder, they start naming. The informant
    said that they knew everybody who was there. Godbolt agreed.
    Godbolt said that the gun had been found in Ray’s car.
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    The informant asked what kind of gun Godbolt was
    shooting. Godbolt said it was a Glock 17 but he threw it away.
    The informant asked how many people had gotten shot. Godbolt
    replied that somebody died. He went on to say: “I hit somebody
    for sure. I hit somebody for sure that night.” The informant said,
    “Damn.” Godbolt said, “I think one person died.” The informant
    wanted to know if the police had asked about the gun. Godbolt
    said that “all they got of me being in the car. That’s not good
    enough evidence. I could have been in the car a day before that.”
    Godbolt now related what happened to Ray later on the day
    of the shooting, i.e., when he was arrested in possession of the
    stolen Honda and was found to be in possession of the gun that
    was determined to have been used in the shooting. The
    informant suggested that Ray had asked for a deal, and Godbolt
    agreed.
    The informant said if Godbolt ran into Ray, “you’re going to
    fuck him up.” Godbolt said yes, and the informant said he would
    “beat the dog shit out of him.”
    The informant said that it was likely that Ray had told the
    police what everybody was shooting with. Godbolt said that they
    had “ARs, revolvers, Glocks.” Godbolt said that “it was more
    than one gun shot when we all was in the car because we all had
    a burner . . . everybody had a pistol.” Godbolt volunteered the
    fact that Wise’s gun jammed.
    Godbolt said: “The girl was driving. That girl was driving.
    Me and cuz, we were hanging out the window. We all hanging
    out the window.”
    The balance of the recording contains nothing of note.
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    7. Ray’s jailhouse statement
    Ray was questioned on January 17, 2018. In the course of
    questioning outside the cell, Ray was told that the police had his
    DNA in a stolen car and that a witness had stated that he
    committed the shooting on August 8. These were lies. Neither
    statement was true. Ray was also shown a fake photo lineup
    with his photograph circled. Ray denied involvement in both the
    August 8 and August 19 shooting.
    The session with the informant opened with the informant
    saying that “they can’t just add-charge you, nigger,[15] for some
    bull. What you in here for?” After the informant told him he
    looked 17 years old, Ray said he was 18. Ray repeated that the
    upcoming interview could turn “into a add-charge,” which had
    him “hot.” The informant said he was in jail because of a gun.
    Ray said he was there for a home invasion and they were
    trying to “give me life. I can’t take it.” Ray identified himself as
    being from 76 East Coast. The informant said he was from
    Chicago.
    The informant told Ray that “they fucking you all up, n***.
    They fucking you all youngsters these days, my n***.”
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    15 We  exercise restraint in using this offensive term.
    However, inclusion of this term is necessary as it does illustrate
    and demonstrate the effectiveness of the informant in making
    himself appear to be close with the defendants. The informants
    use of this expression was intended to create an alliance—an “us-
    against-them” dynamic. Nevertheless, we shall insert *** where
    that word was used in the singular or plural tense in the balance
    of the opinion in order to delete literally what we understand can
    be viewed as offensive.
    16
    Camarillo entered at this point. He introduced himself and
    asked Ray if he knew that Camarillo and his partner were
    coming. Ray said he didn’t know, and Camarillo explained that
    he was from homicide and needed to “chop it up with you about a
    couple of things” and that he would explain everything to Ray.
    Camarillo evidently then left the cell.
    The informant told Ray that somebody was “doing this”
    since Ray had been in jail for three months and they were now
    coming to talk to him. Ray was in segregation (“K-4”). The
    informant said that “one of your n*** ain’t solid.” Ray: “I can’t
    handle—I can’t hold it. Fuck, I can’t hold that. I can’t handle
    that. N*** be fighting murders for five years. That’s out.” The
    informant asked Ray if his “n*** are silent,” and Ray said no. The
    informant: “On a homicide?” Ray: “I don’t fucking know.” The
    informant told Ray he was young and that he hadn’t “even seen
    life yet.” Ray said he was being kept away from his n***.
    The informant told Ray that they would “try to hit you
    young n*** upside the head, n***, blindside.” Ray: “It got to be
    my crimie then.” The informant said that “n*** ain’t solid” and
    that the closest one to Ray would be the “first one to tell.” Ray:
    “They cannot add charge. I pray to God. Please, God, please.”
    The informant: “I’ll tell you don’t even talk to these
    motherfuckers.” The informant advised Ray to talk to the police
    in order to find out what was going on.
    Camarillo entered the cell and told Ray that they were
    waiting for an interview room and that the wait should not take
    long. Camarillo added: “Your name came up in a murder, so
    we’ll see how it goes. Okay?” Ray: “All right.” Camarillo left the
    cell.
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    The informant asked how Ray’s name came up in a murder.
    Ray wondered how his name came up and went on to say that
    there would probably be add-charges. The informant told him to
    sit back and think about what the police would be talking about
    and that he better be using his brain.
    The informant said that the police could have DNA and
    that it wasn’t necessarily a person who put his name to a murder.
    On the other hand, the informant said, you never know that it
    could be someone who was throwing him under the bus to get a
    sweet deal. When asked with whom Ray has a beef, Ray said he
    “didn’t beef.” The informant said that when the police was acting
    like Camarillo, they had something. He asked Ray if anyone he
    knew got “laid down.” Ray said no, he didn’t want an add-charge.
    Ray was taken out of the cell for the interview with Camarillo.
    Back in the cell, Ray told the informant that he was told
    they had his DNA and that he would be charged. The police said
    they had talked to people in jail and on the outside. But the
    police said that they couldn’t tell him “stuff” if he didn’t tell them
    “stuff.” The police said Ray was the last person they talked to.
    The informant told Ray that the police knew a lot more than they
    were telling him.
    Ray said the police had a lineup and they “circled my face.”
    But the informant said that if the police didn’t have it, they
    would not file on him. Ray agreed.
    The informant asked if they had shown him pictures. Ray
    said they had shown the car driving away. The informant asked
    Ray if he was in the car but didn’t wait for an answer. He went
    on to say that someone was telling on Ray. The informant said
    he was 44 years old and experienced and the police were trying to
    railroad Ray.
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    They then discussed that Ray was being kept away from
    his “crimie” and this meant that his crimie was telling on Ray.
    The informant said that the police were trying to railroad
    him and somebody was telling on him.
    The informant said that he was going to try and give Ray a
    scenario “to get to flip it around.” He asked whether “they” were
    Mexicans.
    The informant asked if the police had found the car. Ray
    said yes, “they got the car.” The informant said, “Go with self-
    defense.” Ray said the police had his DNA in the car. Every
    name the police had was in jail.
    The informant criticized Ray for not wearing gloves. Ray
    said they were going to file because of the snitch but Ray did not
    say anything to the police. The informant said there were ways
    “you can go around it.”
    An officer came into the cell to get Ray’s fingerprints.
    When Ray asked, the officer said that he was being charged with
    “187 P.C. murder.”
    The informant said that the man was snitching. That’s
    why he was asking whom they were shooting. Ray said they
    were walking down the street and “didn’t shoot back” because
    they “didn’t have a chance.” The informant told Ray he would
    “need to switch the story all the way up.” The informant:
    “Listen, that’s why I’m asking you how—how did it go down, my
    n***, so I could tell you how to switch it up.” Ray: “We just pulled
    up on them and started smacking16 on them and then drove
    off . . . they were on bikes. They was coming down the street and
    __________________________________________________________
    16   This means shooting.
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    they hit the corner, and we was going like this. I busted a U-turn
    and, ‘Boom,’ got on them.”
    The informant now advised Ray what to do: “This is what
    you do. You all go to court with this shit. Well, they filed on you.
    You all go to court. You already know it’s the n*** telling on you.
    So you think they’re going to look at you different if you—you all
    switch on him? You see what I’m saying? N***, the is telling on
    you, period. [¶] Hold on. N***, I’ll switch it up. I’ll be like, ‘N***
    going down the street. They get off. I’m driving. I tried to
    swerve. The next thing you know, this dumb-ass n*** hanging
    out the window getting off.’ [¶] You just said you was driving,
    right? The n***—the n*** who is snitching, if he was smacking,
    obviously he wasn’t driving, right? Nine times out of ten, they
    ain’t supposed to be looking at the driver for shooting, my n***. If
    you’re driving, but you got to look out where the fuck you’re
    going, right? [¶] You didn’t even know the n*** was about to get
    off. You hit the corner. Now this guy is tripping. They get off.
    You all getting—this n*** get off out there. You ain’t know the
    motherfucker is about to get off. (INAUDIBLE.) You all just
    need to sit down and get you all shit together because as of right
    now it’s looking bad for you all, my n***. You all need to us [sic]
    that shit as self-defense or something, but how are you going to
    get to this n*** that’s a keep-away?” The informant elaborated
    on this advice by adding that Ray should say that he was made to
    drive the car.
    A colloquy followed about where Ray’s confederate was.
    The informant asked Ray whether he got rid of the gun.
    Ray said he did not have it in his possession, it was in the car.
    Nothing of note transpired during the remainder of this
    session.
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    8. Gang evidence
    The East Coast Crips is one of the largest African-
    American gangs in the country with around a thousand members.
    Florencia 13, a predominantly Hispanic gang, has around two
    thousand members and is the East Coast Crips worst enemy.
    The war between these two gangs is particularly bloody and is
    considered the biggest gang war in Los Angeles.
    There is no dispute that all three appellants were active 76
    East Coast Crips gang members.
    Evidence was admitted that showed that Godbolt and Ray
    had committed robberies of other victims on July 20, 2017, and
    August 9, 2017.
    DISCUSSION
    Appellants contend that their jailhouse statements should
    have been excluded because the statements were not voluntary
    and violated their constitutional rights protected by Miranda v.
    Arizona (1966) 
    384 U.S. 436
     (Miranda). Respondent contends
    that the statements were voluntary and relies on Perkins, 
    supra,
    496 U.S. 292
    , to support its position. We begin with Perkins since
    it is basic to the three appeals before us.
    I. Illinois v. Perkins
    Richard Stephenson was murdered in November 1984 in
    East St. Louis, Illinois. The murder remained unsolved until
    March 1986 when Lloyd Perkins related the details of
    Stephenson’s murder to fellow inmate Donald Charlton at the
    Graham Correctional Facility. (Perkins, 
    supra,
     496 U.S. at
    p. 294.) Charlton told police about Perkins and Stephenson’s
    murder but Perkins had been released by the time the police
    heard Charlton’s account. However, the police were able to trace
    Perkins to a jail in Montgomery County in Illinois. The police
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    placed undercover agent John Parisi along with Charlton in the
    cell with Perkins with instructions to engage Perkins in
    conversation and report anything he might say about the
    Stephenson murder. (Id. at pp. 294–295.) In the course of a
    discussion between the three men in the jail cell about a possible
    breakout from the jail, Parisi asked Perkins if he had ever “done”
    anybody. Perkins then described in detail the Stephenson
    murder. Parisi did not give Perkins the Miranda warning before
    the conversation that led to the account of the murder. (Id. at
    p. 295.)
    Perkins was charged with murder and before trial moved to
    suppress the statement made to Parisi. The trial court granted
    the motion and the Appellate Court of Illinois affirmed, holding
    that Miranda prohibits all undercover contact with incarcerated
    suspects that are reasonably likely to elicit an incriminating
    response. The United States Supreme Court granted certiorari
    and reversed. (Perkins, 
    supra,
     496 U.S. at pp. 295–296.)
    The issue, as Perkins defined it, was whether “an
    undercover law enforcement officer must give Miranda warnings
    to an incarcerated suspect before asking him questions that may
    elicit an incriminating response.” (Perkins, 
    supra,
     496 U.S. at
    pp. 295–296.)
    In answering in the negative, the court focused on what
    “custodial interrogation” means under Miranda. In short, it
    means questioning initiated by law enforcement officers after a
    person has been taken into custody. (Perkins, 
    supra,
     496 U.S. at
    p. 296.) The court explained why questioning by cell mates is not
    the same as questioning by a police officer:
    “It is the premise of Miranda that the danger of
    coercion results from the interaction of custody and
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    official interrogation. We reject the argument that
    Miranda warnings are required whenever a suspect
    is in custody in a technical sense and converses with
    someone who happens to be a government agent.
    Questioning by captors, who appear to control the
    suspect’s fate, may create mutually reinforcing
    pressures that the Court has assumed will weaken
    the suspect's will, but where a suspect does not know
    that he is conversing with a government agent, these
    pressures do not exist. The state court here
    mistakenly assumed that because the suspect was in
    custody, no undercover questioning could take place.
    When the suspect has no reason to think that the
    listeners have official power over him, it should not
    be assumed that his words are motivated by the
    reaction he expects from his listeners.
    “Miranda forbids coercion, not mere strategic
    deception by taking advantage of a suspect’s
    misplaced trust in one he supposes to be a fellow
    prisoner.” (Perkins, supra, 496 U.S. at p. 297.)
    The court concluded that a law enforcement officer posing
    as a cellmate need not give Miranda warnings to an incarcerated
    suspect before asking questions that may elicit an incriminating
    response. (Perkins, 
    supra,
     496 U.S. at p. 300.)
    Perkins was not a departure from precedent nor was it a
    novel decision in any sense of that word, as the Perkins opinion
    itself makes clear. The court noted that Hoffa v. United States
    (1966) 
    385 U.S. 293
     held that placing an undercover agent near a
    suspect in order to gather incriminating information was
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    permissible under the Fifth Amendment. Deception practiced by
    that undercover agent did not affect the voluntariness of the
    statement. (Perkins, 
    supra,
     496 U.S. at p. 298.) Nor was
    Massiah v. United States (1964) 
    377 U.S. 201
     implicated since, as
    in the appeals at bar, no charges had been filed on the subjects of
    the questioning. (Perkins, at p. 299; see also Arizona v. Mauro
    (1987) 
    481 U.S. 520
    , 521, 527 [conversation with spouse is not
    interrogation under Miranda].) In short, Perkins did not write on
    a clean slate but rather affirmed the long-standing principle that
    deceptive questioning in police investigation by an undercover
    agent does not violate the Constitution.
    II. THE TRIAL COURT’S RULINGS AND
    THE STANDARD OF REVIEW
    The trial court denied defense motions to exclude the
    jailhouse statements both at the preliminary hearing17 and at a
    hearing just prior to trial. In the latter hearing, the trial court
    ruled that the statements were not testimonial evidence, a
    hearsay exception applied, and the statements were trustworthy
    because they corroborated each other. The court went on to state:
    “And I think any issue of voluntariness or coercion or anything
    like that really goes to the weight of the evidence rather than the
    admissibility.”
    In reviewing appellant’s contentions, “it is well established
    that we accept the trial court’s resolution of disputed facts and
    inferences, and its evaluations of credibility, if supported by
    __________________________________________________________
    17 Themotion to suppress the statements was brought
    under the due process clauses of the state and federal
    Constitutions and the Fifth and Sixth Amendments to the United
    States Constitution.
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    substantial evidence. We independently determine from the
    undisputed facts and the facts properly found by the trial court
    whether the challenged statement was illegally obtained.”
    (People v. Cunningham (2001) 
    25 Cal.4th 926
    , 992.)
    We will not disturb a ruling that is correct in law merely
    because the trial court gave the wrong reason. (D’Amico v. Board
    of Medical Examiners (1974) 
    11 Cal.3d 1
    , 19, citing Davey v.
    Southern Pacific Co. (1897) 
    116 Cal. 325
    , 329.)
    III. A MIRANDA WARNING WAS
    NOT REQUIRED
    Ray contends that the “Perkins operation was a
    sophisticated set-up calculated to undermine Ray’s will and
    obtain a confession.” Ray lists a number of “background” facts
    and circumstances in support of this claim.18
    We do not agree with the thrust of Ray’s “background” facts
    that the statement that he made to the informant was the result
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    18   They are that he had been arraigned in October 2017 on
    numerous robbery charges; that he was 18 years old; that the
    informant with whom he spoke was a 44-year-old African-
    American man posing as a gang member who had been “through
    the system”; that the informant’s “main psychological ploy” was
    to make Ray feel betrayed by convincing him that his accomplices
    had snitched on him; that Ray was laboring under the fear that
    he would be “add-charged”; that Ray felt threatened by
    Camarillo’s statement that he was from the homicide bureau;
    that the pressure increased when Camarillo told him that they
    were investigating a homicide; that an officer was sent into the
    cell to get Ray’s thumbprint who told him they were charging him
    with murder; that the informant aggressively questioned him
    about the shooting; and that Ray finally gave in to “relentless
    pressure” and confessed to the shootings.
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    of psychological coercion. We set forth in sections VII and VIII
    why his statement was voluntary.
    In this section, we confirm that the informant was not
    required to give Ray, Godbolt, or Wise the Miranda warning.
    None of these facts and circumstances, some of which are
    strongly argumentative (“relentless pressure”), alter the fact that
    the incriminating statements that Ray made were made to an
    undercover informant and not to the police. “The danger of
    coercion results from the interaction of custody and official
    interrogation.” (Perkins, supra, 46 U.S. at p. 297.) None of the
    “background facts” detract from the fact that the statements were
    made not to the police but to an informant whose identity as a
    fellow inmate had been designed to win Ray’s confidence, an
    objective which the informant was ultimately successful in
    achieving.
    Perkins held that statements made to an undercover agent
    posing as a fellow inmate are not subject to Miranda. The law on
    this is clear, even without Perkins. California courts, including
    our Supreme Court, have held that there is no interrogation for
    Miranda purposes when there is no official police interrogation.
    (E.g., People v. Gonzales & Soliz (2011) 
    52 Cal.4th 254
    , 283 [no
    Miranda violation where defendant spoke to fellow inmate and
    gang member, who wore recording device, while both were being
    transported in sheriff’s van]; People v. Tate (2010) 
    49 Cal.4th 635
    ,
    685–686 [no interrogation in case of possible
    accomplice/accessory]; People v. Mayfield (1997) 
    14 Cal.4th 668
    ,
    758 [father]; People v. Williams (1988) 
    44 Cal.3d 1127
    , 1141–1142
    [Miranda “has never been applied to conversations between an
    inmate and an undercover agent”; coercive atmosphere of
    custodial police interrogation is absent]; People v. Webb (1993) 6
    
    26 Cal.4th 494
    , 526 [no Miranda violation where defendant’s
    girlfriend elicited incriminating statements during telephone
    conversations]; People v. Guilmette (1991) 
    1 Cal.App.4th 1534
    ,
    1540 [no Miranda violation where defendant telephoned victim,
    who was acting as police agent, and made statements to her];
    People v. Jefferson (2008) 
    158 Cal.App.4th 830
    , 840–841 [friend].)
    The “background” facts do not detract from the principle
    that at no time was the informant required to give Ray the
    Miranda warning.
    IV. THE TRIAL COURT DID NOT FAIL TO RULE ON
    THE VOLUNTARINESS OF RAY’S STATEMENT
    Ray contends that the trial court abdicated its duty to rule
    on the voluntariness of Ray’s statement.
    In denying the defense motions to exclude the jailhouse
    statements, the trial court stated, “I think any issue of
    voluntariness or coercion or anything like that really goes to the
    weight of the evidence rather than the admissibility.”
    The trial court twice denied defense motions to exclude the
    jailhouse statements. It would hardly have done so, had the
    court been of the opinion that the statements were involuntary.
    Thus, the denials of the motions to exclude the jailhouse
    statements subsumes the decision that the statements were
    voluntary, especially since the defense contention was that the
    statements were not voluntary. We conclude that the trial court’s
    denial of the defense motions to exclude the jailhouse statements
    necessarily included a finding that the statements were
    voluntary. (In re Ins. Installment Fee Cases (2012) 
    211 Cal.App.4th 1395
    , 1429 [the meaning of a court order is a
    question of law within the ambit of the appellate court].)
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    It is also true, as respondent points out, that at another
    juncture, when appellants revisited the issue of the voluntariness
    of their statements to support their request for discovery of
    information about the informant, the trial court stated that it had
    listened to the recordings of the statements and “there doesn’t
    sound to me to be any type of intimidation. It sounded, if I could
    characterize it, it was conversation.”
    A statement is either voluntary or involuntary. That
    voluntariness goes to the weight of the evidence is therefore
    wrong as an abstract proposition. However, in the context of the
    ruling denying the motions to exclude the statements (which
    necessarily meant that the statements were voluntary), what the
    court must have meant is that the statements were persuasive
    because they had been volunteered, i.e., they were to be accorded
    weight because they had been volunteered.
    In any event, what is before us is the denial of the motion
    to exclude the jailhouse statements, not the reason(s) for the
    ruling. If one of the reasons for the ruling was in error, we will
    disregard that reason. (D’Amico v. Board of Medical Examiners,
    supra, 11 Cal.3d at p. 19.)
    Without bothering to explain why this ruling was
    prejudicial error, Ray complains about the fact that the trial
    court excluded 13 pages of the transcript of the recording of his
    jailhouse statement.19 Ray contends that the deleted pages show
    that the informant spoke to Ray for a long time before Ray
    confessed to the shooting, rather than Ray immediately
    confessing. The trial court deleted the pages in question because
    they contained material that incriminated Ray with other
    __________________________________________________________
    19   The deleted pages are at clerk’s transcript 986–999.
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    charges. That was reason enough to delete these pages. The
    court’s ruling was a sound exercise of its discretion. (See People
    v. Cox (2003) 
    30 Cal.4th 916
    , 955.)
    V. RAY’S STATEMENTS TO THE INFORMANT DID
    NOT VIOLATE MIRANDA
    At some point while being questioned by Camarillo, Ray
    said that if there were any more questions, the police should
    contact his attorney. Camarillo discontinued the questioning and
    returned Ray to the jail cell.
    Ray contends that questioning by the informant after this
    was precluded by Miranda because the purpose of Miranda is to
    “act as a check against coercive police activity.”
    In People v. Orozco (2019) 
    32 Cal.App.5th 802
    , 806–807
    (Orozco), baby Mia was left by her mother, Nathaly Martinez
    (Martinez), in the charge of Mia’s father and Martinez’s
    boyfriend, Edward Orozco. Thereafter, Mia died of blunt force
    trauma administered by Orozco. During Orozco’s questioning by
    the police at the police station, Orozco attempted to provide a
    neutral explanation for Mia’s death. Eventually, Orozco asked
    for a lawyer and the police interview was terminated. (Orozco, at
    pp. 807–808.)
    Several hours later, Martinez and Orozco were placed by
    the police in an interview room and left to themselves. (Orozco,
    supra, 32 Cal.App.5th at p. 808.) Orozco initially gave Martinez
    the same neutral explanation he had given the police but, after a
    police officer entered the room to state that Mia had died at the
    hand of another, and after Martinez and Orozco had again been
    left in the interview room by themselves, Orozco ended up
    tearfully confessing to Martinez that he had killed Mia. (Orozco,
    at pp. 808–809.)
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    The court in Orozco concluded, after an extended analysis
    of Perkins and Edwards v. Arizona (1981) 
    451 U.S. 477
    , that
    “California courts have uniformly come to the conclusion that
    Perkins controls when a suspect invokes his Miranda right to
    counsel but later speaks with someone he does not know is an
    agent of the police. That was the holding of Guilmette, supra,
    1 Cal.App.4th at pp. 1540–1541 and Plyler [(1993) 
    18 Cal.App.4th 535
    , 544–545].” (Orozco, supra, 32 Cal.App.5th at p. 815.)
    Ray acknowledges Orozco, Guilmette and Plyler but goes on
    to contend that the “Perkins operation” in this case violated one
    of the main underpinnings of the Miranda warning—“to act as a
    check against coercive police activity.” Orozco provides an apt
    answer to this contention:
    “Lastly, defendant argues that the police engaged in
    a ‘persistent, underhanded attempt . . . to obtain a
    confession’ by blatantly disregarding his repeated
    requests for counsel and then orchestrating a tearful
    confrontation with his girlfriend and the mother of
    his now-dead infant. The police conduct in this case
    was deplorable. [Citations.] But the question we
    must decide is whether it is unconstitutional.
    Miranda is not a free-floating bulwark against unfair
    police tactics. Constitutional rules are anchored to
    their rationales [citations], and Miranda’s rule is
    moored to its purpose of ‘preventing government
    officials from using the coercive nature of
    confinement to extract confessions.’ [Citations.]
    ‘Miranda forbids coercion,’ the Supreme Court has
    said, ‘not mere strategic deception by taking
    advantage of a suspect’s misplaced trust in one he
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    supposes to be’ someone he can trust. (Perkins,
    supra, 496 U.S. at p. 297.) To construe Miranda to
    reach the noncoercive police conduct in this case is to
    untether Miranda from its purpose and, in so doing,
    undermine its legitimacy as one of the many
    bulwarks protecting the constitutional rights of
    criminal defendants. We decline to sully Miranda in
    this fashion.” (Orozco, supra, 32 Cal.App.5th at
    pp. 816–817.)
    The point is that Miranda is not applicable if the questions
    or comments that elicited a response were propounded by an
    undercover agent or by a person other than a police officer or
    police investigator. As Orozco put it, Miranda is not a “free
    floating bulwark against unfair police tactics,” yet Ray would
    have Miranda serve “as a check against coercive police activity.”
    Miranda precludes coercive custodial interrogation, not all
    “coercive police activity.”
    VI. PERKINS DOES NOT ADDRESS, BUT ALSO
    DOES NOT PRECLUDE, INQUIRY INTO THE
    VOLUNTARINESS OF THE STATEMENT
    Ray contends that a “close reading” of Perkins requires
    inquiries whether there were “compelling influences,” whether
    the statement was given freely and voluntarily, whether police
    activity rose to the level of coercion, and whether the statement
    was freely given. We understand this argument to be that the
    court must continue to inquire into the voluntariness of
    incriminating statements made to undercover agents. That
    Perkins so holds is neither correct nor useful.
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    The rule that Perkins laid down is that an undercover
    agent of the police is not required to give the target suspect the
    Miranda warning.
    The only effect of Perkins on the law governing the
    admission of confessions and admissions is that an undercover
    agent is not required to give the Miranda warning before
    engaging the target in a conversation that is designed to elicit a
    damaging statement.
    Perkins does not affect a change in the jurisprudence of the
    voluntariness of confessions and admissions. If the undercover
    agent extracts a statement from the target by force or fear, the
    target is free to pursue his claim that the statement was not
    voluntary and, depending on the acts, may well prevail.
    That is what happened in this case with the exception that
    the appellants did not prevail. The record in this case
    demonstrates that appellants contended vigorously in the trial
    court that their statements were not voluntary. Thus, counsel for
    Wise argued that Wise’s statement was not voluntary, that it was
    the product of a coercive environment on the 18-year-old Wise,
    and that the undercover agent exerted undue and coercive
    pressure on Wise. Counsel also argued that Ray’s and Godbolt’s
    statements were the product of a coercive environment. Godbolt
    joined in Wise’s argument. Counsel for Ray argued that
    “everything that the undercover [agent] said to Mr. Ray during
    his lengthy conversation amounted to coercion and compulsion.”
    Counsel argued that “any type of coercion or compulsion renders
    a Perkins operation invalid.” Counsel requested that the court
    exclude Ray’s statement as the product of “involuntary police-
    dominated atmosphere.” The written defense motion on this
    subject in which appellants joined claims that the undercover
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    agent “immediately begins his plan to coerce, compel, harass,
    intimidate and frighten” Ray and carries this theme forward
    through the entire motion.
    The motions having been denied, the issue on appeal is
    whether appellants’ statements were voluntary. We address this
    issue in the next section.
    Ray claims that some courts have construed Perkins “as
    though it created a bright-line rule that any statement to an
    undercover government agent cannot be the product of coercive
    custody.” We are not persuaded that this observation is correct
    about courts generally but, in any event, this court is not such a
    court. We think the only effect of Perkins on this case was that
    the undercover agent was not required to commence his
    discussions with appellants with Miranda warnings.
    For the same reason, we reject Ray’s claim that there is
    such a thing as an “undercover agent” exception to the Miranda
    rule that “enables the police to defraud a suspect into giving up
    his constitutional rights through calculated delays, tricks,
    disguises, and ‘stimulation’ tactics.” There is no such exception.
    Appellants remained free to contend, as they did in the trail court
    and as they continue to do in this court, that their statements
    were not voluntary.
    VII. APPELLANTS’ JAILHOUSE STATEMENTS
    WERE VOLUNTARY
    1. General principles
    “Any involuntary statement obtained by a law enforcement
    officer from a criminal suspect by coercion is inadmissible
    pursuant to the Fourteenth Amendment to the federal
    Constitution and article I, section 7 of the California
    Constitution.” (People v. Dykes (2009) 
    46 Cal.4th 731
    , 752.) A
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    confession or statement is involuntary if it is not the product of a
    “rational intellect and a free will.” (Mincey v. Arizona (1978) 
    437 U.S. 385
    , 398.) The test for determining whether a confession is
    voluntary is whether the questioned suspect’s will was
    “overborne at the time he confessed.” (Lynumn v. Illinois (1963)
    
    372 U.S. 528
    , 534.)
    “ ‘The question posed by the due process clause in cases of
    claimed psychological coercion is whether the influences brought
    to bear upon the accused were such as to overbear petitioner’s
    will to resist and bring about confessions not freely self-
    determined.’ [Citations.] In determining whether or not an
    accused’s will was overborne, ‘an examination must be made of
    all the surrounding circumstances—both the characteristics of
    the accused and the details of the interrogation.’ ” (People v.
    Thompson, supra, 50 Cal.3d at p. 166.) “A finding of coercive
    police activity is a prerequisite to a finding that a confession was
    involuntary under the federal and state Constitutions.” (People
    v. Maury (2003) 30 Cal4th 342, 404.)
    In obtaining a statement, the use of deceptive tactics is not
    foreclosed. (Orozco, supra, 32 Cal.App.5th at pp. 319–320 [police
    trickery in placing defendant in room with someone he trusted to
    see if he would talk did not make a confession involuntary];
    People v. Chutan (1999) 
    72 Cal.App.4th 1276
    , 1280 [police
    trickery during an interrogation does not by itself make a
    confession involuntary or violate due process; subterfuge is not
    necessarily coercive in nature].)
    2. Common denominators
    Before examining each of the three statements made by
    appellants, we identify three common denominators found in
    these encounters.
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    One. The informants in each of the three encounters were
    able to persuade each of the appellants that the informants were,
    even if not currently active, but at least former members of
    criminal street gangs. This was materially furthered by the
    circumstance that at least one of the informants (there were two
    in Godbolt’s case) was the same in at least two, if not possibly all
    three, encounters. The assumption of the personae of a criminal
    street gang member allowed the informants to voice strong
    support, as they did, for the appellants in all three encounters.
    In none of the three encounters did any one of the appellants
    voice skepticism about the projected personae of the informants.
    That is, in all three encounters the appellants were persuaded
    that they were dealing with former, if not current, criminal gang
    members with substantial experience in the criminal justice
    system who were sympathetic to the appellants.
    Two. All three appellants contend on appeal that their
    statements were coerced through the application of psychological
    pressure. “[C]oercion can be psychological as well as physical.”
    (People v. Ditson (1962) 
    57 Cal.2d 415
    , 433.) Psychological
    coercion often takes the form of implied threats (1 Witkin, Cal.
    Evidence (5th ed. 2020) Hearsay, § 69, p. 878), as it allegedly did
    in this case. As an example, Godbolt argues that he was afraid of
    being “add-charged” with the consequences of the shootings.
    The actual record of the encounters between appellants and
    the informants, in which appellants accepted the informants as
    sympathetic former or current criminal gang members, seriously
    undermines appellants’ claim that the informants threatened
    them in any way. The informants uniformly and successfully
    portrayed themselves as former gangsters who were sympathetic
    to appellants and who wanted to help the appellants. We return
    35
    to this point in our discussion of each of the three encounters
    with the informants.
    Three. In each of the three encounters the incriminating
    statements were made by the appellants well toward the end of
    the encounter. And the incriminating statements came in short
    bursts, often disconnected, and in conversation with the
    informants. This shows that it took some time for the informants
    in each instance to gain the confidence and trust of each of the
    appellants but, and this is the important point, in the end the
    informants did gain the appellants’ trust and confidence. The
    reason the appellants made the incriminating statements that
    they ultimately made was that they believed that the informants
    could be of some help to them. In other words, the reasons for the
    statements were not the alleged threats but the informants’
    success in presenting themselves as helpful and knowledgeable
    criminal gang members.
    3. Wise’s jailhouse statement was voluntary
    Wise contends that he “opened up to the [informant] only
    after the detectives performed on him a self-described
    ‘stimulation’ session designed to terrify him as being identified as
    a suspect in a murder investigation.”
    There is nothing in the record that supports the foregoing.
    To begin with, in his interview with Camarillo, Wise denied that
    he had been involved in the shooting. Even if he was “terrified,”
    and there is nothing in the record that shows that he was, he
    certainly kept his wits about him. This means that the threat, if
    it was a threat, did not have an effect on Wise.
    However, that Wise was a suspect in a murder
    investigation was not a threat, it was a reality. Cases that have
    invalidated confession because of the psychological pressure of
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    threats involve situations where the threatened harm is
    hypothetical. (E.g., People v. Flores (1983) 
    144 Cal.App.3d 459
    ,
    470, 471 [threat of death penalty followed by implied promise of
    more lenient treatment if defendant confessed]; People v. Denney
    (1984) 152 CalApp.3d 530, 544 [threat of gas chamber if
    defendant did not confess]; In re J. Clyde K. (1987) 
    192 Cal.App.3d 710
    , 720 [threat of jail].) There was nothing
    hypothetical about potential charges against Wise arising from
    the shootings. To say that Wise was facing charges arising from
    the shootings was to state a fact, not the blandishment of some
    future hypothetical harm.
    It is also true that the due process clause required that
    Wise be advised of the charges against him.20
    Wise contends that the informant took advantage of his
    relative youth by referring to himself as an “OG.” Wise contends
    that this amounted to the “kind of influence a father can have
    over a son.”
    The context in which the informant stated he was an “OG”
    does not support Wise’s contention.21 The informant was trying
    to convince Wise that he, the informant, was experienced enough
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    20 “Due process of law requires that an accused be advised
    of the charges against him in order that he may have a
    reasonable opportunity to prepare and present his defense and
    not be taken by surprise by evidence offered at his trial.” (In re
    Hess (1955) 
    45 Cal.2d 171
    , 175.)
    21 “[The informant]: Listen, my n***. They [referring to the
    police] know you was there because one of the bitch-asses,
    (INAUDIBLE) my n***, I’m keeping it real. N***, I’m OG, homie.
    One of your n*** is a bitch. That’s why—one of them n*** is a bitch.
    Now it’s up to you to figure out which one is the hardest one.”
    37
    to know when someone was acting as a snitch. The informant
    was not exerting any sort of pressure on Wise by referring to
    himself as an OG, he was touting the value of his advice that
    someone was snitching. In fact, the informant left it up to Wise
    to figure out who the informant was. This was not a father figure
    but rather an experienced gang member giving advice to a
    younger man. There was not a smidgeon of coercion in the
    informant’s reference to himself as an “OG.”
    During the entire course of the exchange between Wise and
    the informant, the latter presented himself as a person who
    wanted to help Wise. There are at least two explicit statements
    by the informant that he wanted to help Wise. Throughout the
    entire exchange, the informant presented himself as someone
    who knew the criminal justice system and who was putting that
    knowledge to use in helping Wise.
    There is not a single statement by the informant that could
    be characterized as designed to overcome Wise’s “rational
    intellect and free will” (Mincey v. Arizona, supra, 437 U.S. at
    p. 398)—on the contrary, the informant urged Wise to “use his
    mind” to figure out how he could defend himself.
    There is also nothing of record that would suggest that the
    police, including detective Camarillo, engaged in conduct that
    was coercive. On the contrary, the interview started with offers
    of food and drink by the police, and whenever Camarillo
    appeared, he was low key and even polite. What the entire
    course of the exchange between the informant and Wise reveals is
    that the informant had established himself as a trustworthy
    criminal veteran of the criminal justice system (trustworthy at
    least as far as a gang member like Wise was concerned) and that
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    he could be trusted with information about the problem that Wise
    was facing.
    Wise’s eventual acknowledgment of his participation in the
    shooting was a voluntary response to the informant’s skillful
    portrayal of an old gang member who wanted to assist Wise in
    the situation in which Wise found himself.
    4. Godbolt’s statement was voluntary
    Godbolt states he was aware of the fact that the police were
    considering an “add-charge.” However, this appears to have
    made no impression on him for when one of two informants
    stated that Godbolt could be facing new charges, Godbolt
    responded by saying, “I ain’t going to say shit.” The additional
    charges arising out of the shooting were a reality22 and not a
    threat of a hypothetical fact. In any event, Godbolt was not
    moved by it.
    Godbolt ascribes evil motives to the informants. He
    contends that the informants urged him to sit through the police
    interview in order to expose him fully to the “stimulation” of that
    interview; that the informants kept suggesting that someone was
    snitching; that the informants’ questioning led Godbolt to
    conclude that Ray was snitching; and that his DNA had been
    found in the vehicle.
    Even if these accusations are treated as accurate and true,
    they do not amount to coercive conduct. None of these
    statements by the informants were made with the stated
    expectation that Godbolt would confess to any crimes. At most,
    these statements amount to bad advice. Be that as it may, we do
    __________________________________________________________
    22   Wise had placed Godbolt on the scene of the shooting.
    39
    not agree that the informants’ statements were threatening, a
    subject to which we return below.
    Godbolt contends that the “police used the tactics of false
    evidence and a manipulative, well-compensated informant to lead
    Godbolt down the path to a confession.” Leading someone down
    the path to a confession is not the same as coercing a confession
    by impermissible threats. “[I]ntellectual persuasion is not the
    equivalent of coercion.” (People v. Ditson, supra, 57 Cal.2d at
    p. 433.) If Godbolt contends that he was persuaded by false
    evidence and the informant, he may well be upset about that but
    persuasion does not amount to coercion.
    Godbolt’s characterization of the informants’ statement as
    coercive is mistaken. As a review of the actual conversation
    between the informants and Godbolt shows, up to the time that
    Godbolt returned from the interview with Camarillo, the
    conversation was quite lengthy and meandered over various
    topics, some of which were neutral, such as Godbolt’s current
    lawyer and the possibly “sweet deal” that Godbolt might expect to
    get. The informants certainly did not come across in that
    conversation as directive or hectoring. It was only upon Godbolt’s
    return from the interview with Camarillo, that the talk turned to
    the shooting and then only in bits and pieces and in the course of
    the conversation with the informants. Until the very end, the
    informants held out as sympathetic listeners who thought that
    someone, very possibly Ray, was acting as an informant to
    Godbolt’s detriment.
    Godbolt’s eventual incriminating statements made to the
    informants were voluntary responses to the conversation
    maintained by the informants.
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    5. Ray’s statement was voluntary
    Ray contends that his fear of being “add-charged” was used
    as a coercive tactic both by the police and the informant.
    Wise had identified Ray as the person in the car from
    which the shots had been fired. There was therefore no doubt
    that Ray would be charged as a participant in the shooting. That
    there would be “add-charges” was therefore a fact and not a
    hypothetical threat that the police had no right to make. The due
    process clause required that Ray be advised of the charges
    against him. (In re Hess, supra, 45 Cal.2d at p. 175.)
    It is perfectly understandable that Ray would be very
    concerned about being charged as a participant and/or actor in
    the shootings. As a participant in one homicide and four
    attempted murders, he had every reason to worry. The question
    is whether that concern translates into invalidating his
    confession made toward the end of this encounter with the
    informant.
    The answer of course is no. A criminal actor’s reasonable
    apprehension about the consequences of his misdeeds does not
    invalidate his confession.
    Ray contends that the informant “pressured [Ray] to tell
    what happened and finally wore Ray down with his leading
    questions that fed Ray facts to affirm or correct.” Ray’s
    imaginative rendition of the informant’s role omits to mention
    that the informant was trying to put together a story for Ray that
    would exonerate Ray.
    Thus, the informant: “Listen, that’s why I’m asking you
    how—how did it go down, my n***, so I could tell you how to
    switch it up.” Now came Ray’s fateful confession: “We just pulled
    up on them and started smacking on them and then drove off.”
    41
    What the informant meant by “switch[ing] it up” was made
    immediately clear when the informant advised Ray, at some
    length to claim that he was only the driver of the car and that he
    had no idea that the others intended to shoot the people on the
    bicycles. In other words, the informant validated that his chosen
    role was to assist Ray.
    Ray also claims that his confession was the result of the
    informant’s “skilled cross-examination-type questioning.” We do
    not agree that Ray confessed because the informant was a skilled
    questioner. Ray confessed because he trusted the informant to
    give him advice about how to deal with the charges Ray was
    facing. Be that as it may, effective cross-examination is not the
    same as impermissible psychological coercion sufficient to
    invalidate a confession.
    Citing two out of state cases decided by intermediate
    appellate courts, Ray contends that Camarillo’s reliance on false
    documents should invalidate Ray’s ultimate confession made to
    the informant.
    Resort by the police to deception is not a subject favored by
    reviewing courts. In one of two venerable cases on this subject
    that seem to have stood the test of time, the California Court of
    Appeal has deplored such tactics as morally unjustified and not
    commendable (People v. Connelly (1925) 
    195 Cal. 584
    , 597; see
    also People v. Castello (1924) 
    194 Cal. 595
    , 602) but nevertheless
    permissible as not invalidating an ensuing confession. We agree
    with Connelly and with Witkin who writes that cases in other
    jurisdictions holding fraudulently obtained confessions in
    admissible “usually involve something more than fraud.”
    (1 Witkin, Cal. Evidence (5th ed. 2020) Hearsay, § 71, p. 879,
    42
    citing inter alia Leyra v. Denno (1954) 
    347 U.S. 556
     and Massiah
    v. United States, supra, 
    377 U.S. 201
    .)
    Ray confessed to the informant because he believed that
    the informant could help him if the informant knew the facts.
    Resort to deception by Camarillo, while not commendable in the
    abstract, did not invalidate the eventual confession since it is not
    likely to have led to an untrue statement (In re Walker (1974) 
    10 Cal.3d 764
    , 777) nor was it the proximate cause of the confession.
    (People v. Musselwhite (1998) 
    17 Cal.4th 1216
    , 1240
    [misrepresentation not proximate cause of the confession].) Ray
    would not have confessed if he did not trust the informant.
    Camarillo’s resort to false documents was not the proximate
    cause of the eventual confession made in conversation with the
    informant.
    While Ray exhibited substantial apprehension about the
    charges he was facing which, as we have noted, was perfectly
    reasonable, the topics that dominated the conversation was who
    was snitching and how Ray should react to charges that he was
    involved in the shootings. On the latter subject, the informant
    clearly placed himself in Ray’s camp, noting that the police were
    trying to railroad Ray. That the informant was there to help Ray
    was made clear when he told Ray before the latter’s confession
    that he would advise Ray to “flip it around,” an offer on which the
    informant certainly followed up, as we have noted.
    As with Wise and Godbolt, Ray’s eventual confession was
    the result of the informant’s successful portrayal of a criminal
    gang member who was there to help Ray. It was a voluntary
    statement.
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    VIII. THE “STIMULATION” TACTIC
    WAS NOT A VIOLATION OF DUE PROCESS
    Appellants contend that the due process clause was
    violated by the “coercive police activity” that produced the
    incriminating statements. Each of the appellants claims that the
    “stimulation” tactic of interrupting the encounter with the
    informant by a police interview was impermissible and improper.
    The procedure dubbed by Camarillo as a “stimulation”
    wherein he interrupted the encounters with the informant by
    police interrogation may or may not have been novel. In any
    event, we find no prior recorded instance of this tactic in the
    cases. The question is whether this “stimulation” tactic violated
    due process.
    “For all its consequence, ‘due process’ has never
    been, and perhaps can never be, precisely defined.
    ‘[Unlike] some legal rules,’ this Court has said, due
    process ‘is not a technical conception with a fixed
    content unrelated to time, place and circumstances.’
    Cafeteria Workers v. McElroy, 
    367 U.S. 886
    , 895.
    Rather, the phrase expresses the requirement of
    ‘fundamental fairness,’ a requirement whose meaning
    can be as opaque as its importance is lofty. Applying
    the Due Process Clause is therefore an uncertain
    enterprise which must discover what ‘fundamental
    fairness’ consists of in a particular situation by first
    considering any relevant precedents and then by
    assessing the several interests that are at stake.”
    (Lassiter v. Department of Social Services of Durham
    County, N.C. (1981) 
    452 U.S. 18
    , 24–25.)
    44
    Given that this particular tactic has not been the subject of
    an appellate opinion, we examine the interests involved.
    The governmental interest, shared by the population at
    large, in the investigation of the criminal acts that occurred here
    is both clear and substantial. The identification and
    apprehension of the person or persons who unleashed an
    indiscriminate fusillade of gunfire on a public street is an
    important objective, if only to prevent the recurrence of such a
    dangerous event. Thus, the governmental interest in the
    investigation of such an event is entitled to be accorded
    substantial weight.
    The suspects’ interest is that their rights, both
    constitutional and statutory, remain protected and are not
    infringed. We have discussed above the fact that the statements
    made by the appellants to the informants were voluntary. It is
    also true that in each of the police interviews with the appellants
    they were accorded their rights under Miranda and chose not to
    make statements to the police. Thus, the balance between the
    governmental interest in the investigation and the maintenance
    of appellants’ rights favors the former since there was no
    violation of appellants’ rights.
    While appellants’ claim that the “stimulation” tactic was
    coercive, there is nothing fundamentally unfair or coercive about
    the police interrupting a jailhouse conversation with an
    informant with a police interview. Within reasonable parameters
    that were not violated here, the police are surely entitled to
    conduct suspect interviews at times selected by the police. That
    the interruption worked out as the police thought it might does
    not render the interruption unfair or unconstitutional.
    45
    We are presented with an important governmental interest
    in the investigation of the instant crimes and with the fact that
    the appellants’ rights were not violated. Under these
    circumstances, we see no violation of due process.
    We conclude that the “stimulation” tactic employed by
    Camarillo did not violate the state or federal Constitutions.
    IX. THE INFORMANT DID NOT VIOLATE THE DUE
    PROCESS CLAUSE WHEN HE PORTRAYED
    RAY AS A SNITCH
    Ray contends that the informant violated the due process
    clause when he portrayed Ray as a snitch to Godbolt and when he
    uttered threats against Ray.
    This argument seems predicated on the unwarranted
    assumption that the informant was there to teach Sunday school.
    Not so. As we have pointed out, deceptive tactics are not
    foreclosed. (Orozco, supra, 32 Cal.App.5th at pp. 319–320; People
    v. Chutan, supra, 72 Cal.App.4th at p. 1280.) The informant’s
    portrayal of Ray as a snitch was a deception. If Ray’s argument
    is that the process that he was due was nothing but the truth
    from the informant, the police may as well say farewell to
    informants and confidential agents. It is unfortunately the very
    nature of undercover investigation that it is deceptive. There is
    no law or constitutional provision that required the informant to
    be truthful and transparent.
    That the informant egged Godbolt on to assault Ray is an
    exaggeration. Once the informant was launched on describing
    Ray as a snitch, the informant necessarily had to maintain his
    bona fides as a gang member by voicing outrage that was
    appropriate in the case of snitches generally and Ray in
    particular. In fact, as Ray acknowledges, the informant
    46
    eventually watered down the hard words about Ray by advising
    Godbolt to leave “these n*** alone” and “f-with them no more.”
    X. APPELLANTS’ STATEMENTS
    WERE NOT TESTIMONIAL
    Appellants contends that their statements were testimonial
    and should therefore have been excluded.
    Crawford v. Washington (2004) 
    541 U.S. 36
    , after tracing
    the history of the Sixth Amendment’s confrontation clause [in all
    criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to be
    confronted with the witnesses against him] (541 U.S. at pp. 43–
    50), held that the clause applies to witnesses who testify against
    the accused, i.e. to “ ‘testimonial’ statements.” (541 U.S. at p. 51.)
    Finding that the confrontation clause applies not only to in-court
    testimony but also to out-of-court statements (541 U.S. at pp. 49–
    50), the court described various types of “testimonial”
    statements: “ ‘ex parte in-court testimony or its functional
    equivalent—that is, material such as affidavits, custodial
    examinations, prior testimony that the defendant was unable to
    cross-examine, or similar pretrial statements that declarants
    would reasonably expect to be used prosecutorially’ [citations] . . .
    ‘[s]tatements that were made under circumstances which would
    lead an objective witness reasonably to believe that the statement
    would be available for use at a later trial.’ ” (541 U.S. at pp. 51–
    52.) The court concluded that “statements taken by police officers
    in the course of interrogations are also testimonial under even a
    narrow standard.” (541 U.S. at p. 52.)
    Given this background, the United States Supreme Court
    has held that statements made unwittingly to a government
    informant are not testimonial. (Davis v. Washington (2006) 
    547 U.S. 813
    , 825, citing Bourjaily v. United States (1987) 
    483 U.S. 47
    171, 181–184.) This makes sense since, in the usual setting of
    such communications, there is no expectation whatever by the
    declarant that the statement would be used at trial.
    California has followed the federal lead. In People v. Arauz
    (2012) 
    210 Cal.App.4th 1394
    , 1399, the defendant was placed in a
    cell next to a paid confidential informant, as in this case. The
    conversation between the defendant and the informant was
    surreptitiously recorded. The defendant’s incriminating
    statement was admitted into evidence. The court held the
    defendant’s statement to be nontestimonial. (Id. at pp. 1401–
    1402.) The court explained:
    “Federal courts have repeatedly held that statements
    unwittingly made to an informant are not
    ‘testimonial’ for confrontation clause purposes. (U.S.
    v. Tolliver (7th Cir.2006) 
    454 F.3d 660
    , 665; U.S. v.
    Underwood (11th Cir.2006) 
    446 F.3d 1340
    , 1347–
    1348; U.S. v. Hendricks (3d Cir.2005) 
    395 F.3d 173
    ,
    182–184; U.S. v. Saget (2d Cir.2004) 
    377 F.3d 223
    ,
    229–230; U.S. v. Smalls (10th Cir.2010) 
    605 F.3d 765
    ,
    778 [prisoner’s recorded statement to a fellow
    prisoner who was actually a government informant is
    ‘unquestionably nontestimonial’].) We agree with the
    rule and rationale of these cases. We hold that
    statements unwittingly made to an informant are not
    ‘testimonial’ within the meaning of the confrontation
    clause. The last thing [defendant] expected was for
    his statement to be repeated in court.” (People v.
    Arauz, supra, 210 Cal.App.4th at p. 1402.)
    48
    Nontestimonial evidence is subject only to the traditional
    limitations upon hearsay evidence and does not implicate the
    Sixth Amendment right of confrontation. (People v. Arauz, supra,
    210 Cal.App.4th at pp. 1401–1402.) Reviewing courts have
    followed Arauz. (People v. Gallardo (2017) 
    18 Cal.App.5th 51
    ,
    67–68; see People v. Almeda (2018) 
    19 Cal.App.5th 346
    , 362–363.)
    Ray contends that Arauz and Gallardo were wrongly
    decided because these decisions give insufficient weight to facts
    showing that the primary purpose of the conversations with the
    informants was to create an out-of-court substitute for trial
    testimony. While it is true that the United States Supreme
    Court has held that one must look to statements and actions of
    both the declarant and the interrogator (Michigan v. Bryant
    (2011) 
    562 U.S. 344
    , 367–368), we do not think that this case
    provides the necessary factual predicate for Ray’s contention.
    In this case, it is clear that Camarillo was acting as an
    investigator of the homicide. As Camarillo testified, before he
    interrogated Wise, he had “no idea if Branden Wise was involved
    in my current murder investigation. I had no information
    indicating that he was involved in that investigation. . . . So I
    used the Perkins operation to see if I was on the right track or
    possibly lead me in the right direction.” Thus, as the “Perkins
    operation” got under way, the case was not at the stage where the
    police had any reason to think that they were even near to
    obtaining incriminating statements for trial purposes. While
    Ray’s argument makes an interesting point in the abstract, there
    are no facts in this case that support it. The diffuse, wide-
    ranging and free-flowing conversations between the informants
    and the appellants were not the equivalents of police
    interrogation. Certainly, it could be said of this case, as it was
    49
    said in Arauz, that the last thing appellants expected was for
    their statements to be repeated in court.
    We conclude that appellants’ statements were not
    testimonial.
    XI. APPELLANTS’ STATEMENTS WERE
    DECLARATIONS AGAINST PENAL INTEREST
    Appellants contend that their statements were not against
    their penal interest.
    Statements that are otherwise hearsay that can subject the
    declarant to criminal liability are admissible as declarations
    against interest. (Evid. Code, § 1230; People v. Samuels (2005) 
    36 Cal.4th 96
    , 120.) The trial court’s ruling admitting such a
    statement is reviewed for abuse of discretion. (People v. Lawley
    (2002) 
    27 Cal.4th 102
    , 153.)
    Appellants claim that their declarations were not against
    their penal interests because their statements were made to
    impress the informant who identified himself as a person with
    connections and influence in the Black gang structure in and
    outside of jail.23
    The flaw in this argument is that appellants’ convictions for
    murder and attempted murder rest largely on their confessions
    and admissions. It is difficult to see how the jury could have
    convicted them without those statements. Thus, Wise admitted
    that he tried to shoot but the gun jammed, Godbolt said he hit
    somebody for sure, and Ray stated that they were shooting.
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    23  Interestingly, Ray writes that the informant “made it
    clear to these teenagers that he was in a position to advise and
    help them.” That is certainly true but it runs counter to
    appellants’ earlier argument that the informant was there to
    threaten them.
    50
    These confessions were central to their convictions and thus were
    certainly against their penal interest. The jury obviously did not
    interpret appellants’ statements to the informant as nothing but
    idle boasting.
    Appellants contend that some of their statements were not
    against their penal interests in that they implicated others and
    not the declarant. Appellants seek to invoke the rule that a
    hearsay statement that is in part inculpatory and in part
    exculpatory is not admissible under this hearsay exception.
    (People v. Duarte (2000) 
    24 Cal.4th 603
    , 612.)
    Ray contends that these statements were not inculpatory:
    Wise’s statement that Ray was driving the stolen car; that Sierra
    was seated in the front seat; and that Ray and Godbolt were the
    shooters did not implicate Wise; Godbolt’s statement that Ray
    was the “main one”; that Ray was arrested for the stolen Honda;
    and the guns used by Ray and Wise were in the stolen Honda
    when Ray was arrested did not implicate Godbolt.
    Godbolt contends that Wise’s statement that Godbolt was
    the shooter and had a .9-millimeter gun were not against Wise’s
    penal interest.
    Wise claims that Godbolt’s statement that there were four
    people in the car and that Wise did not shoot because the gun did
    not work was not against Godbolt’s penal interest.
    We do not agree with the claim that appellants’ statements
    were exculpatory. Each of the statements claimed to be
    exculpatory were inculpatory in that they showed that the person
    making the statement was present on the scene of the shooting.
    That is certainly inculpatory. That is also true of the statement
    that the Honda was a stolen car since it showed knowledge about
    the car that was used in the shootings.
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    Ultimately, each of the appellants acknowledged in some
    way their participation in the shootings and none of them tried to
    shift responsibility to another. While Godbolt referred to Ray as
    the “main one,” he acknowledged, among other things, that he
    shot at least one person. That Ray was looked upon as the
    principal in the shooting shows that Godbolt had first-hand
    knowledge of the shooting.
    The trial court’s ruling admitting the statements as
    declarations against penal interest was correct; there was no
    abuse of discretion.
    XII. THE COURT WAS NOT REQUIRED
    TO GIVE THE ACCOMPLICE INSTRUCTION
    Appellants contend that the accomplice instruction
    (CALCRIM No. 334) should have been given. The instruction
    that the appellants claim should have been given is that “[a]ny
    statement of an accomplice that tends to incriminate the
    defendant should be viewed with caution.”
    It is settled that the accomplice instruction need not be
    given if the defendant’s statements are found to be against the
    defendant’s penal interest. (People v. Brown (2003) 
    31 Cal.4th 518
    , 555–556.) This is so because the usual problem with
    accomplice testimony, that it is not reliable, “is not present in an
    out-of-court statement that is itself sufficiently reliable to be
    allowed in evidence.” (People v. Brown, 
    supra,
     31 Cal.4th at
    p. 555.) To the same effect are People v. Gallardo, supra, 18
    Cal.App.5th at page 81, and People v. Jefferey (1995) 
    37 Cal.App.4th 209
    , 218.
    Appellants contend that the foregoing principle does not
    apply because their statements made to the informants “were not
    trustworthy or made under sufficiently reliable circumstances.”
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    They contend that their memories were no longer fresh, they had
    admitted to smoking marijuana at the time of the shooting and
    had been in jail for months and wanted to go home.
    The statements made by the appellants to the informants
    were remarkably consistent when it came to relating the
    circumstances of the shooting. This is certainly an indication of
    the reliability of the statements and negates the suggestion that
    their memories were no longer fresh. And we agree with
    respondent that there is evidence that corroborates the
    statements in the form of the handgun recovered from Ray that
    was used in the shooting. There is also the overarching fact that
    the statements were, as we have noted, declarations against
    penal interests. This lends the statements credibility.
    The court made the right decision in refusing to give the
    accomplice instruction.
    XIII. APPELLANTS’ CONVICTION OF THE
    ATTEMTED MURDER OF JIMENEZ MUST BE
    REVERSED
    Appellants contend that their conviction for the attempted
    murder of Manuel Jimenez should be reversed because it is not
    supported by substantial evidence.
    It is not disputed that the five people who were the victims
    of the shooting were riding on four bicycles. Two of them, Orozco
    and Ramirez, were on one bike that was in the lead. According to
    Gastelo, they were followed by Jimenez, then Alvarez, and finally
    Gastelo. However, according to Alvarez, Jimenez was behind
    Gastelo.
    Gastelo, Alvarez, and Orozco were able to describe the
    course of the shooting in which they were clearly targets of the
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    shooters. Gastelo and Orozco described the injuries they
    sustained.
    Other than the fact that Jimenez was part of the group of
    five and riding a bicycle, the only thing we know about Jimenez is
    that he ran off on foot after the shooting started. We are not even
    sure whether he was ahead or behind Gastelo.
    Jimenez was never located by the police and therefore he
    was never interviewed. We simply don’t know how the shooting
    affected him.
    “Attempted murder requires the specific intent to kill and
    the commission of a direct but ineffectual act toward
    accomplishing the intended killing.” (People v. Ervine (2009) 
    47 Cal.4th 745
    , 785.) Ray contends that there was no evidence that
    Jimenez was intentionally fired upon. That is, there is nothing to
    show that the shooters had the specific intent to kill Jimenez.
    While we have no problem with that issue when it comes to
    Gastelo, Alvarez, and Orozco, there is literally no evidence that
    Jimenez was a target of the shooters. That Jimenez ran off on
    foot does not mean that he was a specific target of any of the
    shooters. Given that a lot of bullets were flying, any sensible
    person would have run off if he could, even if no one was shooting
    at him.
    Respondent contends that the testimony of Alvarez and
    Orozco that the shooters were firing on the group of riders,
    including Jimenez, was sufficient to show “that appellants fired
    at Jimenez.” While there may be other crimes that were
    committed simply by firing at the group as a whole, attempted
    murder is a specific intent offense. There is literally no evidence
    showing that Jimenez was at any time a target of the shooters.
    “When a specific intent is an element of the offense it presents a
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    question of fact which must be proved like any other fact in the
    case.” (People v. Maciel (1925) 
    71 Cal.App. 213
    , 218.) Absent any
    evidence on the fact of appellants’ specific intent to murder
    Jimenez,24 we must reverse the convictions for the attempted
    murder of Jimenez.
    XIV. WE DECLINE TO REMAND TO DETERMINE
    THE ABILITY TO PAY FINES AND FEES
    The trial court imposed fines and fees on appellants which
    we enumerate below. All three appellants requested that the
    court find that they did not have the ability to pay these fines and
    fees. In ruling on this request, the court stated: “I’m not going to
    find an inability to pay.”
    Even though the ruling is somewhat ambiguous, the trial
    court’s ruling can be interpreted as a finding that appellants have
    the ability to pay these fines and fees. The ruling can also be
    interpreted to mean that the court declined to rule on appellants’
    request. However, the better view is that the court ruled that
    appellants have the ability to pay. We explain below why we
    decline to remand the cases for a hearing on the ability to pay.
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    24 Specific intent is usually proved by circumstantial
    evidence. (People v. Pre (2004) 
    117 Cal.App.4th 413
    , 420.) The
    circumstance that Gastelo and Orozco were shot several times is
    evidence of specific intent. Alvarez testified that the people in
    the car were shooting at her.
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    1. The fines and fees imposed; the error in Godbolt’s
    court security fee and criminal conviction assessment
    Godbolt
    The court imposed a $300 restitution fine under Penal Code
    section 1202.4, a $1,360 court security fee under Penal Code
    section 1465.8, and a $1,020 criminal conviction assessment
    under Government Code section 70373.
    Respondent concedes that Godbolt was convicted of 31, and
    not 34, felonies and that the assessments under Government
    Code section 70373 and Penal Code section 1465.8 should
    respectively be reduced to $930 and $1,240.
    Ray
    The court imposed a $300 restitution fine (Pen. Code,
    § 1202.4), a court security fee of $1,440 (Pen. Code, § 1465.8), a
    criminal conviction assessment of $1,080 (Gov. Code, § 70373),
    and a theft crime fee of $41 (Pen. Code, § 1202.5).
    Wise
    The court imposed a court security fee of $1,360, a criminal
    conviction assessment of $1,020, and a theft crime fee of $41.
    The court deferred ruling on restitution.
    2. We decline to remand the cases for a determination of
    ability to pay
    We note that our Supreme Court has granted review in
    People v. Kopp (2019) 
    38 Cal.App.5th 47
    , review granted
    November 13, 2019, S257844, to consider whether a trial court
    must consider a defendant’s ability to pay and, if so, which party
    bears the burden of proof regarding defendant’s inability to pay.
    Appellants contend that the order on fees and fines should
    be reversed because they were imposed without a determination
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    of appellants’ ability to pay. Appellants rely on People v. Dueñas
    (2019) 
    30 Cal.App.5th 1157
    .
    We think the trial court’s ruling was that appellants had
    the ability to pay. This was an entirely reasonable ruling in that
    the restitution fines imposed were minimal, as were the balance
    of the fees and fines imposed.
    It is true that there was no hearing on the ability to pay.
    There was solely the court’s ambiguous ruling that we have
    interpreted as a finding that appellants have the ability to pay.
    However, it does not follow that remanding the cases for a
    hearing on the ability to pay would serve any useful purpose at
    this point. The issues whether a trial court must consider a
    defendant’s ability to pay and, if so, which party bears the burden
    of proof regarding defendant’s inability to pay are before our
    Supreme Court. Until these issues have been authoritatively laid
    to rest, a hearing on these issues would serve no purpose.
    Accordingly, we leave it to future postjudgment proceedings
    whether appellants should have a hearing on their ability to pay.
    In light of the minimal nature of the fees and fines imposed,
    appellants are not going to be prejudiced by waiting for our
    Supreme Court to decide People v. Kopp, supra, 
    38 Cal.App.5th 47
    , rev.gr.
    XV. WE AFFIRM THE ORDER DENYNG
    THE REQUEST FOR INFORMATION ABOUT
    THE INFORMANT
    Wise filed a motion in which he requested disclosure of
    information about the informant. Ray and Godbolt joined in the
    motion. The request was for tattoos, the informant’s criminal
    record, if any, the contract between the police and the informant
    and the informant’s history as an informant.
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    After holding two in camera hearings with detective
    Camarillo, the trial court denied the entire request. The court
    found that disclosure of the requested information would
    endanger the life of the informant. Appellants have requested
    that we independently review the court’s order.
    We have done so. We find the trial court’s order is based on
    substantial evidence and was a sound exercise of its discretion.
    We affirm the order.
    DISPOSITION
    Appellants’ convictions for the attempted murder of Manuel
    Jose Jimenez are reversed. Appellants’ cases are remanded with
    directions to enter new sentences that reflect the reversal of the
    convictions for the attempted murder of Manuel Jose Jimenez. In
    the instance of each appellant, the sentence is to be reduced by a
    term of 15 years to life imprisonment.
    The judgment as to Godbolt is to be corrected to provide for
    a court security fee of $930 under Penal Code section 1465.8 and
    a criminal conviction assessment of $1,240 under Government
    Code section 70373.
    The superior court is directed to correct the following errors
    in the abstracts of judgment: (1) In Godbolt’s abstract, the
    number of determinate years is to be reduced from 252 to 250
    (abstract, p. 1, para. 6) and is to be further reduced by 15 years to
    reflect the reversal of the judgment for the attempted murder of
    Manuel Jose Jimenez; (2) in Godbolt’s abstract, in all but the 25
    robbery counts, the convictions must be shown to be based on
    convictions by a jury instead of being based on pleas; (3) in Ray’s
    abstract, in all but the 28 robbery counts, the convictions must be
    shown to be based on convictions by a jury instead of being based
    on pleas.
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    The superior court shall issue new abstracts of judgment
    that correct the errors noted and that reflect the new sentences
    imposed on appellants. The court shall forward the new
    abstracts of judgment to the Department of Corrections and
    Rehabilitation.
    In all other respects, the judgments are affirmed.
    NOT TO BE PUBLISHED.
    LUI, P. J.
    We concur:
    CHAVEZ, J.
    HOFFSTADT, J.
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