People v. Ramos ( 2023 )


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  • Filed 4/13/23
    CERTIFIED FOR PARTIAL PUBLICATION*
    COURT OF APPEAL, FOURTH APPELLATE DISTRICT
    DIVISION ONE
    STATE OF CALIFORNIA
    THE PEOPLE,                                  D074429
    Plaintiff and Respondent,
    v.                                   (Super. Ct. No. SCN365966)
    DANIEL MANUEL RAMOS et al.,
    Defendants and Appellants.
    APPEALS from judgments of the Superior Court of San Diego County,
    Sim von Kalinowski, Judge. Judgments reversed in part, sentences vacated,
    and remanded with directions.
    Cynthia A. Grimm, under appointment by the Court of Appeal, for
    Defendant and Appellant Daniel Manuel Ramos.
    Joanna McKim, under appointment by the Court of Appeal, for
    Defendant and Appellant Elias Isai Ramos.
    *      Pursuant to California Rules of Court, rule 8.1110, this opinion is
    certified for publication with the exception of parts II.A-C, D.4-D.7, E-S of the
    Discussion.
    Xavier Becerra and Rob Bonta, Attorneys General, Lance E. Winters,
    Chief Assistant Attorney General, Julie L. Garland and Charles C. Ragland,
    Assistant Attorneys General, Daniel Rogers and Matthew Mulford, Deputy
    Attorneys General, for Plaintiff and Respondent.
    In a joint trial involving a gang shooting, a jury convicted Daniel
    Ramos (Daniel) and Elias Ramos (Elias) of first degree murder (Pen. Code,
    § 187, subd. (a))1 (count 1); attempted first degree murder (§§ 187, subd. (a),
    189, 664) (count 2); and possession of a firearm by a felon (§ 29800, subd.
    (a)(1)) (count 3). The jury also made true findings on firearm and gang
    enhancements. (§§ 12022.53, subds. (c), (d), (e)(1), 186.22, subd. (b)(1).) The
    court sentenced Daniel (the shooter) to an aggregate prison term of 92 years
    to life and Elias (the aider and abettor) to 84 years to life.
    Daniel and Elias appealed, raising over 30 issues. Many involved the
    admissibility of a confession and incriminating statements Daniel made while
    in custody on unrelated charges to a confidential informant (CI) posing as a
    gang member. Defendants also asserted the trial court erred in admitting
    evidence of (1) rap videos performed by Elias, and (2) certain expert
    testimony regarding gangs. Both also asserted prosecutorial misconduct and
    sentencing errors, and they joined in each other’s challenges.
    We originally issued an opinion on December 28, 2020, addressing all of
    the issues raised by defendants and affirming the judgments. Our Supreme
    Court subsequently granted Daniel and Elias’s petitions for review and held
    the matter pending its eventual decision in People v. Tirado (2022) 
    12 Cal.5th 688
     (Tirado). On April 20, 2022, after Tirado issued, the matter was
    1    Unless otherwise indicated, all further statutory references are to the
    Penal Code.
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    transferred back to us with directions to vacate our decision and reconsider
    the cause in light of Tirado. After receiving supplemental briefing, we
    vacated our 2020 opinion, and we issued an opinion on October 20, 2022
    which affirmed in part, reversed in part, and remanded for further
    proceedings. Daniel and Elias each filed a petition for review, and on
    December 28, 2022, our Supreme Court issued an order directing us to vacate
    our October 20, 2022 decision and to reconsider the cause in light of Assembly
    Bill No. 2799 (Stats. 2022, ch. 973), which enacted Evidence Code
    section 352.2. On January 5, 2023, we vacated our October 20, 2022 opinion.
    The parties have filed supplemental letter briefs addressing Evidence Code
    section 352.2.
    In their first round of supplemental briefing (filed after our Supreme
    Court’s April 20, 2022 order), in addition to addressing the impact of Tirado,
    supra, 
    12 Cal.5th 688
    , Daniel and Elias argued that they are entitled to relief
    based on several statutory enactments that took effect after our original
    opinion. Those statutory enactments consist of the following: (1) a change to
    the substantive requirements for finding a gang enhancement pursuant to
    section 186.22, subdivision (b); (2) the enactment of section 1109, which
    requires that a bifurcated trial be held regarding gang enhancements alleged
    under section 186.22; (3) amendments to the determinate sentencing law that
    constrain the trial court’s discretion to impose an upper term sentence and
    create a presumption of a lower term sentence for youthful offenders (§ 1170,
    subd. (b)); and (4) an enactment vacating the imposition of any unpaid
    criminal justice administration fee imposed pursuant to former Government
    Code section 29550.1 (Gov. Code, § 6111, subd. (a)). In their second round of
    supplemental briefing (filed after our Supreme Court’s December 28, 2022
    order), Daniel and Elias argued that Evidence Code section 352.2 should
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    apply retroactively, and that under the new provision, the trial court erred in
    admitting evidence of videos depicting Elias singing rap lyrics.
    With two exceptions, the People agree that the new enactments
    identified by Daniel and Elias apply retroactively because the convictions are
    not yet final. The People do not agree that section 1109, which requires the
    bifurcation of the trial of gang enhancements, is to be applied retroactively.
    As we will explain, we need not reach that issue. Any error in trying the
    gang enhancements together with the substantive offenses was harmless
    error because the vast majority of the gang evidence was admissible to prove
    motive, identity, and premeditation for the substantive offenses. Also, the
    People take the position that Evidence Code section 352.2 does not apply
    retroactively to cases that have already been tried. We agree with that
    assessment. Evidence Code section 352.2 does not apply and presents no
    reason for us to alter the disposition set forth in our now-vacated October 20,
    2022 opinion.
    As we explained in that opinion, as a result of statutory amendments to
    section 186.22, the true findings on the gang enhancement allegations as to
    both Daniel and Elias in counts 1, 2, and 3 must be reversed, as well as the
    true finding on the firearm enhancements for Elias in counts 1 and 2, which
    depend on the true finding on the gang enhancements. The People may
    choose to retry the gang enhancement allegations on remand. As a result of
    the new enactments identified in the supplemental appellate briefing, the
    following components of the sentences imposed by the trial court are not
    legally permissible based on the current record: (1) For Elias, (a) the 25-year-
    to-life sentence for the firearm enhancement in count 1; (b) the 20 year
    sentence for the firearm enhancement in count 2; (c) the four-year sentence
    for the gang enhancement in count 3; (d) the upper term three-year sentence
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    on count 3; (e) the $154 fee imposed under former Government Code section
    29550.1, to the extent it remains unpaid; and (2) for Daniel, (a) the 15-year-
    to-life sentence on count 2, which must be reduced to a sentence of seven
    years to life, absent a legally permissible finding on the gang enhancement
    for that count; (b) the four-year sentence for the gang enhancement in
    count 3; (c) the upper term three-year sentence on count 3; and (d) the $154
    fee imposed under former Government Code section 29550.1, to the extent it
    remains unpaid. As part of a full resentencing hearing, the trial court may
    also consider with respect to the firearm enhancements imposed on Daniel in
    counts 1 and 2, whether to exercise its discretion, as described by Tirado,
    supra, 
    12 Cal.5th 688
     to impose lesser firearm enhancements.
    In all other respects, the judgments are affirmed.
    I.
    FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
    A.    Center Street and Posole Gangs
    Daniel and Elias (no relation) are members of Center Street, a criminal
    street gang in Oceanside. Daniel’s gang moniker is Kieto. Elias’s is Blue.
    Center Street, which has about 70 members, engages in murder,
    assault with a deadly weapon, robbery, vandalism, and unlawful possession
    of firearms. Posole, with about 100 members, is a rival gang claiming other
    Oceanside territory.
    A gang expert testified that murdering a gang rival achieves the
    highest form of respect within a gang, and even being present to provide
    backup and to corroborate what occurred bolsters a gang member’s status
    “just the same.”
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    In 2016, Annebell F. was 15 years old and lived in the Posole
    neighborhood.2 She often spent late hours at Balderrama Park (Park), the
    centerpiece of Posole territory. Annebell was not a gang member. However,
    her close friend, Julye R. was.
    B.    The Shooting
    About 2:00 a.m. on September 3, Julye went to the Park after a family
    argument. By coincidence, Annebell was already there. The two friends
    talked near the jungle gym.
    The Park is a five-minute walk from the area of Interstate 5 at the
    Mission Avenue on-ramp. On September 3 at about 2:00 a.m., a nearby
    resident heard rattling from a chain link fence. Looking out a window, he
    saw one person climbing the fence and another who was already on the other
    side. Both were wearing dark hoodies, and one wore a white bandanna
    covering his face.
    Two people walked into the Park, standing side-by-side, each wearing a
    dark hoodie and a bandanna face covering. One of them began shooting.
    Julye ran for his life. Annebell hid in the jungle gym’s crawl tube.
    Another nearby resident heard about seven gunshots and saw two men
    running away. One wore a black hoodie and a white bandanna covering his
    face. The other wore a hoodie with a black bandanna. Because gunshots are
    so common in that neighborhood, he did not call the police.
    At about 2:35 a.m., Oceanside police found Annebell dead inside the
    crawl tube, which had .22-caliber bullet holes. Unspent .22-caliber bullets
    were on the ground nearby.
    2     Dates are in 2016 unless otherwise specified.
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    C.    Police Surreptitiously Record Julye Identifying Daniel as the Shooter
    Julye refused to cooperate with law enforcement.3 However, on
    September 15, he was in custody on an unrelated matter. So was Jose
    “JoJo” F.—Annebell’s brother. Police placed Julye and JoJo in the same cell
    and secretly recorded their conversation, which was played for the jury.
    Because JoJo was in custody when Annebell was killed, this was their first
    contact since the shooting.
    Julye told JoJo that he was “targeted” by “Kiets,” i.e., Kieto, Daniel—
    who was armed with a revolver and pulled down his bandanna before
    shooting so that Julye could see his face. Julye said that Daniel was with
    “the short fool,”4 who wore a bandanna over his face.5
    D.    Cell Phone Records and Rap Videos
    On September 15, police arrested Elias for violating probation in an
    unrelated matter and obtained his phone. On the day of the shooting, Elias’s
    phone received a call at 1:23 a.m. and had no activity again until 3:11 a.m.,
    when it received a call from Center Street gang member David R. At noon
    the same day, the user of Elias’s phone searched Facebook for “Balderrama
    Park,” and “Oceanside teen girl shot to death.” At 8:42 p.m., Elias’s phone
    was used to search for Annebell’s Facebook account. Later that night, Elias’s
    phone was used to search the internet for “teenager killed in Oceanside.”
    3     Testifying against even a rival gang member violates gang norms.
    4     Elias, at five feet four inches tall, is two inches shorter than Daniel.
    5     At trial, Julye recanted these statements, testifying that he fabricated
    the story because Annebell’s family was pressuring him to identify the
    shooter.
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    Elias’s phone also contained a video of him singing rap. This led police
    to similar YouTube videos. In general, the rap videos, which the jury
    watched, identify Elias and Daniel as Center Street gang members who,
    among other things, were seeking to kill Posole rivals.
    E.    Daniel and Elias’s Jail Conversation
    On September 21, Daniel was also in custody on unrelated probation
    violations. With both Elias and Daniel in custody, police staged a ruse—a
    lineup in which two “witnesses” identified Elias and Daniel as the shooters.
    After the lineup, police placed Daniel and Elias in the same cell and
    surreptitiously videoed their conversation, which was played for the jury.
    Elias detected the camera and pointed it out to Daniel. After
    whispering to each other for about 11 minutes, they began to speak audibly.
    Daniel told Elias that he “got down” (i.e., got in a fistfight) with “Boxer,” who
    had heard that Daniel “pulled that and shit.” “Boxer” is the gang moniker of
    Hector F., Jr., a Posole gang member and Annebell’s cousin. Daniel said that
    Boxer confronted him stating, “That’s my cousin” and asked, “Were you out
    there or what?” Daniel’s reply, “Shit happens, fool,” angered Boxer, who later
    assaulted Daniel in jail. Apparently concerned about the hidden camera,
    Elias said to Daniel, “Delete that shit, fool.”
    F.    Daniel’s Confession to the CI
    1.    Part 1 - Before Garcia Entered
    Marko Garcia is a police officer with extensive gang experience.
    Investigating this case, Garcia worked with an ex-gang member, now a paid
    police informant, identified at trial only as the CI. The CI, dressed as an
    inmate and wearing a concealed audio recording device, was placed in a 28-
    by 28-foot holding or rebooking cell. Police moved Daniel to the same cell.
    Other inmates, not part of the operation, were in and out at various times.
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    The encounter between Daniel and the CI spanned about five hours; a large
    part was played for the jury.
    The CI portrayed himself as an older and experienced gang member
    who had spent the last 10 years in prison for killing. After Daniel introduced
    himself as “Kieto, Center Street Gang,” the CI talked about several Center
    Street gang members. Daniel replied, “I’ve heard of ‘em.”
    Daniel said little during the first hour. The CI reminisced about times
    past, when police mostly left rival gang members alone so long as they only
    assaulted each other. He lamented that “it’s different now dog.” Eventually,
    the CI said to Daniel, “Hey dog . . . —your barrio—you guys are over there by
    Tri-City?” Daniel replied, “Oceanside.”
    2.    Part 2 - Garcia’s Entrance
    After about 75 minutes, Detective Garcia, dressed as an inmate and
    posing as a gang member, entered. He and the CI pretended to be old
    friends. They talked about advice the CI gave to Garcia years ago to conceal
    evidence of a murder. This was all staged for Daniel’s consumption.
    3.    Part 3 - Daniel and the CI
    Garcia left the cell after about 41 minutes. The CI told Daniel that if
    Garcia followed his instructions about concealing the evidence, the police
    wouldn’t be able to tie Garcia to the murder. The CI asked Daniel, “You got
    that little feeling that it’s something bad?” Daniel replied, “I already know it
    is.”
    Daniel told the CI that he and his “homie” were identified in a lineup.
    After the CI replied that nighttime identifications can be easily discredited in
    court, Daniel stated, “It was at night.”
    Daniel told the CI that he and his homie did “a hot one,” i.e., a murder
    that occurred around 2:00 a.m. at a park. The CI asked, “Did you guys use a
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    revolver or was it a semi-automatic?” Daniel replied, “Revolver.” He
    explained that they drove in “the homie’s car,” but “hopped off and walked it.”
    Daniel was concerned that police might find the clothes he was wearing,
    which on the night of the murder he threw out of a car.
    4.    Part 4 - CI “Charged” with Murder
    At this point, an officer removed the CI from the cell, stating he was
    being taken to meet with detectives regarding “an old murder from 2002.”
    Returning later, the CI told Daniel, “They got me on a hot one . . . .” The CI
    and Daniel therefore had something else in common.
    5.    Part 5 - The Fake Grand Jury Indictment
    Handing Daniel what appeared to be a grand jury indictment,
    detectives entered the cell and said he was being charged with Annebell’s
    murder. The indictment was a ruse; there was no grand jury.
    After the detectives left, Daniel told the CI, “I’m charged for murder,
    dog.” The CI read part of the indictment alleging that Daniel and Elias killed
    Annebell. The CI said, “Why a fuckin’ jaina [girl]? You guys mercked
    [murdered] a jaina? You guys mercked a jaina?”6 Daniel replied that
    Annebell was “gay”—apparently meaning that she was dressed in clothing
    ordinarily worn by males and they mistook her for a Posole gang member.7
    Reading more of the fake indictment, the CI stated that Elias was also
    being charged. Daniel replied, “That’s my . . . homie.” In response to the CI’s
    question, “Who’d you guys get?” Daniel replied, “Posole.”
    6     Killing a girl violates gang norms.
    7     In closing argument, the prosecutor explained, “[Daniel is] not saying
    that he killed her because she was actually gay. The way he articulates
    himself is I couldn’t tell the difference between her being a guy or a girl.”
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    Daniel also told the CI that Elias was unarmed and was there “to ride
    with [him].” When the CI asked, “What kind of fusca [gun] did you have?”
    Daniel replied, “A fuckin’ .22.”
    Before being removed from the cell, the CI asked, “What’s your
    homeboy’s name in case I run into him . . . . ?” Daniel replied, “Call him
    Blue.”
    G.     Daniel and Elias Are Jointly Tried
    An amended information charged both Daniel and Elias with three
    counts: (1) murder (§ 187, subd. (a)); (2) attempted premeditated murder
    (§§ 187, subd. (a), 189, 664); and (3) possession of a firearm by a felon
    (§ 29800, subd. (a)(1)). As to all three counts, it was alleged that the offenses
    were committed for the benefit of, at the direction of, and in association with
    a criminal street gang, and with the specific intent to promote, further, and
    assist in criminal conduct by gang members. (§ 186.22, subds. (b)(1), (b)(5).)
    As to the murder and attempted murder counts, the amended information
    also alleged that Daniel and Elias had either intentionally and personally
    discharged a firearm or participated in an offense in which another principal
    personally and intentionally discharged a firearm, and in the case of the
    murder count, causing great bodily injury or death. (§ 12022.53, subds. (c),
    (d), (e)(1).)
    Daniel and Elias were jointly tried before the same jury.
    H.     Defense Case
    At trial, the defense rested without offering evidence. In closing
    argument, defense counsel emphasized the lack of forensic evidence and that
    the only eyewitness, Julye, lacked credibility. Counsel argued that Daniel’s
    confession was not credible because Daniel was “mirroring” what the
    apparent elder gang member said. Elias’s attorney argued that the CI was a
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    “chatterbox” and the only way Daniel could silence him was to respond with
    incriminating statements. Counsel argued the rap lyrics depicted only
    fiction.
    I.    Conviction and Sentence
    The jury found both Daniel and Elias guilty of first degree murder,
    attempted premeditated murder, and possession of a firearm by a felon. The
    jury also made true findings on the firearm and gang enhancements, as
    alleged in the amended information.8 The trial court imposed an aggregate
    prison sentence of 92 years to life for Daniel and 84 years to life for Elias.
    Daniel’s prison term was comprised of (1) 25 years to life for the first
    degree murder count; (2) 25 years to life for the firearm enhancement for that
    count (§ 12022.53, subd. (d)); (3) 15 years to life for the attempted murder
    count;9 (4) 20 years for the firearm enhancement for that count (§ 12022.53,
    subd. (c)); (5) an upper term sentence of three years for the conviction of
    8      In counts 1 and 2, with respect to both Elias and Daniel, the jury made
    true findings on firearm allegations pursuant to section 12022.53, subdivision
    (e)(1). An enhancement under subdivision (e)(1) requires a finding that the
    defendant was a principal in a crime, but not necessarily the shooter, and the
    jury must make a predicate true finding on the gang enhancement in section
    186.22, subdivision (b). (§ 12022.53, subd. (e)(1).) With respect to Daniel, the
    jury also made true findings in counts 1 and 2 based on section 12022.53,
    subdivisions (c) and (d), premised on Daniel being the actual shooter. An
    actual shooter is subject to a firearm enhancement under subdivisions (c)
    or (d) without a true finding on a gang enhancement.
    9     The sentence on the attempted murder count for Daniel was increased
    from a term of seven years to life to a term of 15 years to life based on the
    gang enhancement in section 186.22, subdivision (b)(5), which provides that,
    with certain exceptions, “a person who violates this subdivision [i.e.,
    section 186.22, subdivision (b)] in the commission of a felony punishable by
    imprisonment in the state prison for life shall not be paroled until a
    minimum of 15 calendar years have been served.”
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    possession of a firearm by a felon; and (6) an upper term sentence of four
    years for the gang enhancement on that count.
    Elias’s prison term was comprised of (1) 25 years to life for the first
    degree murder count; (2) 25 years to life for the firearm enhancement for that
    count (§ 12022.53, subds. (d), (e)(1)); (3) seven years to life for the attempted
    murder count; (4) 20 years for the firearm enhancement for that count
    (§ 12022.53, subds. (c), (e)(1)); (5) an upper term sentence of three years for
    the conviction of possession of a firearm by a felon; and (6) an upper term
    sentence of four years for the gang enhancement on that count.
    II.
    DISCUSSION
    A.    The Trial Court Did Not Err in Admitting Daniel’s Confession
    1.    Introduction
    Daniel contends that the trial court prejudicially erred in admitting his
    confession. His argument encompasses three distinct issues: (1) The Fifth
    Amendment right regarding self-incrimination under Miranda v. Arizona
    (1966) 
    384 U.S. 436
     (Miranda); (2) the Sixth Amendment right to counsel
    under Massiah v. United States (1964) 
    377 U.S. 201
     (Massiah) because the
    confession was elicited without counsel’s presence; and (3) due process rights
    precluding an involuntary confession.
    Elias also challenges the admissibility of those portions of Daniel’s
    confession that incriminated him. Moving for a separate trial, Elias asserted
    that because Daniel would not be testifying, this evidence (1) violates Elias’s
    rights under the confrontation clause of the Sixth Amendment, citing People
    v. Aranda (1965) 
    63 Cal.2d 518
     (Aranda), Bruton v. United States (1968)
    
    391 U.S. 123
     (Bruton), and Crawford v. Washington (2004) 
    541 U.S. 36
    (Crawford); and (2) is inadmissible hearsay.
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    2.      Miranda Admonishments Were Unnecessary Because Questioning
    Was Conducted by One Believed to be a Fellow Inmate
    “Miranda does not protect suspects when they describe criminal
    activities to people they think are cellmates. [Citation.] Rather, Miranda
    addressed concerns that a ‘police-dominated atmosphere’ generates
    ‘inherently compelling pressures’ that ‘undermine the individual’s will to
    resist’ questioning. [Citations.] Those concerns evaporate when, as here, an
    inmate speaks freely to someone he believes is a fellow inmate.” (People v.
    Rodriguez (2019) 
    40 Cal.App.5th 194
    , 198 (Rodriguez).) Accordingly, “an
    undercover law enforcement officer posing as a fellow inmate need not give
    Miranda warnings to an incarcerated suspect before asking questions that
    may elicit an incriminating response.” (Illinois v. Perkins (1990) 
    496 U.S. 292
    , 300 (Perkins).)
    For example, in People v. Webb (1993) 
    6 Cal.4th 494
    , a suspect made
    incriminating statements to an acquaintance who, unbeknownst to him, was
    working with police and wore a concealed audio recording device. (Id. at
    pp. 509, 525.) Our Supreme Court stated that “ ‘[c]oercion is determined from
    the perspective of the suspect,’ ” and “[f]rom [the] defendant’s perspective, he
    was talking with a friend . . . .” (Id. at p. 526.) Holding there was no
    custodial interrogation triggering Miranda, the Court concluded the
    recordings were admissible despite the absence of Miranda warnings. (Webb,
    at p. 526.)
    Here, Daniel confessed to someone he believed to be an incarcerated
    gang member who, like him, was facing a murder charge. No Miranda
    advisements were required before the CI elicited the confession.
    3.      No Sixth Amendment Right to Counsel Had Attached
    Massiah, 
    supra,
     377 U.S. at page 206, holds that the government
    violates a defendant’s Sixth Amendment right to counsel by introducing in
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    evidence incriminating statements made (1) without counsel; and (2) after
    commencement of criminal proceedings.
    However, the Sixth Amendment right to counsel “ ‘does not exist until
    the state initiates adversary judicial criminal proceedings, such as by formal
    charge or indictment.’ ” (People v. Fayed (2020) 
    9 Cal.5th 147
    , 161 (Fayed).)
    This rule derives in part from the text of the Sixth Amendment, which
    requires the existence of both a “criminal prosecution” and an “accused.”
    (United States v. Gouveia (1984) 
    467 U.S. 180
    , 188 (Gouveia).) The right to
    counsel attaches at the initiation of adversary judicial criminal proceedings
    because “[i]t is only at that time ‘that the government has committed itself to
    prosecute, and only then that the adverse positions of government and
    defendant have solidified. It is then that a defendant finds himself faced
    with the prosecutorial forces of organized society, and immersed in the
    intricacies of substantive and procedural criminal law.’ ” (Id. at p. 189.)
    Daniel made incriminating statements to the CI before being charged
    in this case. Accordingly, Daniel had no Sixth Amendment right to counsel
    when questioned by the CI about these crimes. (People v. Woods (2004)
    
    120 Cal.App.4th 929
    , 939-941 [no Massiah violation in using informant to
    elicit incriminating statements at investigatory stage before charges were
    brought].)
    Moreover, with respect to his Sixth Amendment right to counsel, it
    makes no difference that Daniel was in custody on an unrelated probation
    violation and was represented by counsel in such proceedings. This is
    because “the Sixth Amendment right to counsel is ‘offense specific’; it arises
    and may be asserted only as to those offenses for which criminal proceedings
    have formally begun. [Citations.] A defendant’s incriminating statements
    about offenses for which he has not been charged may be admitted
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    consistently with his Sixth Amendment counsel guarantee notwithstanding
    its attachment on other charged offenses at the time.” (People v. DePriest
    (2007) 
    42 Cal.4th 1
    , 33.)
    4.    No Due Process Violation
    An involuntary confession obtained through coercive police tactics is
    inadmissible under the due process clauses of the federal and state
    Constitutions. (People v. Linton (2013) 
    56 Cal.4th 1146
    , 1176.) “ ‘ “A
    statement is involuntary if it is not the product of ‘ “a rational intellect and
    free will.” ’ [Citation.] The test for determining whether a confession is
    voluntary is whether the defendant’s ‘will was overborne at the time he
    confessed.’ ” ’ ” (Ibid.) “We judge whether a confession was involuntary by
    examining the totality of [the] circumstances surrounding the confession.”
    (People v. Orozco (2019) 
    32 Cal.App.5th 802
    , 819.) Although the ultimate
    issue of the voluntariness of a confession is subject to independent review, the
    appellate court defers to the trial court’s factual findings if supported by
    substantial evidence. (People v. Jones (1998) 
    17 Cal.4th 279
    , 296.)
    “ ‘The use of deceptive statements during an investigation does not
    invalidate a confession as involuntary unless the deception is the type likely
    to procure an untrue statement.’ ” (Fayed, supra, 9 Cal.5th at p. 165.) “In
    assessing allegedly coercive police tactics, ‘[t]he courts have prohibited only
    those psychological ploys which, under all the circumstances, are so coercive
    that they tend to produce a statement that is both involuntary and
    unreliable.’ ” (People v. Smith (2007) 
    40 Cal.4th 483
    , 501 (Smith).)
    Here, the trial court listened to the entire recording of Daniel’s
    conversation with the CI. Rejecting Daniel’s assertions, the court stated, “I
    would also note from my own listening to the tape that the tone and inflection
    of the CI’s voice and Daniel’s voice that there was nothing that in any way
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    suggested that Daniel was in some way intimidated into saying what he did
    to the CI. The CI’s voice was calm. . . . [Daniel spoke] of his own free will.”
    The trial court also conducted a hearing outside the jury’s presence to
    determine if the recording was trustworthy. Detective Garcia testified that
    the CI could not turn the recorder on or off—only police personnel knew how
    to do that. The court found that the recording was continuous, the CI did not
    intimidate Daniel, and Daniel spoke voluntarily.
    We have listened to the recording and agree with the trial court’s
    findings. The CI consistently spoke in a calm voice, sometimes even
    whispering. Nothing in Daniel’s words or tone indicated he felt coerced or
    intimidated. He simply fell for the deception.
    5.    Daniel’s Contentions
    a.    Deliberate Delay in Charging
    Daniel contends “there was enough evidence to charge [him] with the
    shooting[ ], well before the October 25 undercover operation.” He asserts that
    the People “deliberately delayed” filing charges so as to not trigger his right
    to counsel under Massiah, supra, 
    377 U.S. 201
    , thus violating his due process
    rights and right to counsel.
    Daniel’s argument fails for two reasons. Whether there was “enough
    evidence” to charge him with Annebell’s murder before the undercover
    operation is questionable. There was no forensic evidence linking Daniel to
    the crimes. The only eyewitness, Julye, was a rival gang member who at trial
    recanted his prior identification. Prosecutors are not constitutionally
    obligated to file charges as soon as they have probable cause but before they
    believe that they can establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and while
    investigation is ongoing. (Gouveia, supra, 467 U.S. at p. 192, fn. 7.)
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    Second, even assuming that there was some intentional delay in
    charging, that does not render Daniel’s confession inadmissible. The
    California Supreme Court rejected a similar contention in Fayed, supra,
    9 Cal.5th at page 163. There, the defendant’s wife was murdered on July 28,
    2008. The next day, police arrested the defendant for her murder. But after
    invoking his right to remain silent, he refused to speak to investigators and
    was released. (Id. at p. 160.) Three days later, defendant was arrested on
    unrelated federal charges. Still in federal custody about a month later, the
    defendant told his cellmate that he paid someone to murder his wife.
    Unbeknownst to the defendant, the cellmate was wearing a concealed
    recording device. (Id. at p. 157.) The jury heard the recorded confession and
    convicted the defendant of murder. (Id. at pp. 157-158.) On appeal, the
    defendant claimed that police intentionally delayed charging him with
    murder so they could extract a confession before his right to counsel attached.
    (Id. at p. 161.) Rejecting this argument, the Court stated, “even if state
    authorities deliberately delayed arresting defendant for Pamela’s murder,
    which purportedly gave them more time in which to elicit defendant’s
    incriminatory statements in federal custody, this ‘conscious delay’ does not
    violate his Sixth Amendment right to counsel.” (Fayed, at p. 163.)10
    10     The statute of limitations protects a defendant from prejudice caused
    by a deliberate delay in charging. Moreover, “the Fifth Amendment requires
    the dismissal of an indictment, even if it is brought within the statute of
    limitations, if the defendant can prove that the Government’s delay in
    bringing the indictment was a deliberate device to gain an advantage over
    him and that it caused him actual prejudice in presenting his defense.”
    (Gouveia, 
    supra,
     467 U.S. at p. 192.) “ ‘ “[P]rejudice may be shown by loss of
    material witnesses due to lapse of time [citation] or loss of evidence because
    of fading memory attributable to the delay.” ’ ” (People v. Lazarus (2015)
    
    238 Cal.App.4th 734
    , 757.)
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    b.      Miranda Violation
    Daniel asserts that when initially questioned by police, he was read his
    Miranda rights and asked if he understood them, but not asked if he waived
    them. In that interview, Daniel denied any involvement in the shooting. On
    appeal, Daniel contends that in so doing, he “essentially” invoked his right to
    remain silent. Daniel asserts, therefore, that he should not have been subject
    to “further interrogation on the shooting, because he never affirmatively
    waived his constitutional right to silence or counsel.”
    The record does not contain a transcript of this interrogation. For
    factual support, Daniel cites “1 CT 212-213, 215”—but that is Daniel’s motion
    in limine to exclude “unlawfully obtained statements”—not a transcript of the
    interrogation itself. Even if the record contained a transcript of the
    interrogation, Daniel’s argument fails. Daniel cites no authority for the
    proposition that by denying having committed murder, he invoked his right
    to remain silent.
    In related Miranda arguments, Daniel cites United States v. Williams
    (9th Cir. 2006) 
    435 F.3d 1148
     (Williams) and Reyes v. Lewis (9th Cir. 2015)
    
    798 F.3d 815
    , amended on denial of rehearing en banc, 
    833 F.3d 1001
     (Reyes).
    However, neither case is apt.
    In Williams, police interrogated the defendant until he confessed.
    Immediately thereafter, police gave Miranda warnings and had him write
    the confession. (Williams, 
    supra,
     435 F.3d at p. 1150.) The Ninth Circuit
    held that “when a law enforcement officer interrogates a suspect but does not
    give a Miranda warning until after obtaining a confession . . . , a court in
    deciding whether to suppress a subsequent, postwarning confession must
    determine whether the warning was deliberately withheld.” (Williams, at
    p. 1160.) Williams is inapposite because in that case, the interrogation
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    occurred in a coercive police atmosphere. Here, Daniel confessed to someone
    he believed to be a cellmate.
    Reyes, supra, 
    833 F.3d 1001
    , is also factually off point. There, without
    giving Miranda advisements, police interrogated a 15-year-old murder
    suspect for six hours. The teenager repeatedly indicated that he did not want
    to answer any more questions. (Id. at pp. 1018-1019.) After he finally
    confessed, police Mirandized the minor and had him repeat his confession.
    (Id. at pp. 1021-1022.) Reyes is a nearly textbook case for why Miranda
    exists: a police-dominated atmosphere with inherently compelling pressures
    that undermine a person’s will to resist. The setting of Daniel’s confession is
    completely different. “Ploys to mislead a suspect or lull him into a false sense
    of security that do not rise to the level of compulsion or coercion to speak are
    not within Miranda’s concerns.” (Perkins, supra, 496 U.S. at p. 297.)
    c.    Constitutionally Improper Police Tactics
    Daniel asserts that before the CI ruse, police placed him in “continuous,
    stress-inducing custody” for weeks, “waiting to be charged with murder after
    he had been falsely told he had been identified by witnesses.” Citing Justice
    Brennan’s concurring opinion in Perkins, 
    supra,
     
    496 U.S. 292
    , Daniel
    contends that police subjected him to “ ‘psychological pressures’ ” that made
    him “ ‘particularly susceptible to the ploys of undercover Government
    agents.’ ” Daniel claims that once he was “forced” to reveal his gang
    affiliation to the CI, “he was psychologically vulnerable to being pushed to
    make additional admissions.” This argument is not persuasive.
    In Perkins, Justice Brennan agreed with the majority’s holding that
    Miranda was inapplicable; however, he believed that “the deception and
    manipulation practiced on [Perkins] raise[d] a substantial claim that the
    confession was obtained in violation of the Due Process Clause.” (Perkins,
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    supra,
     496 U.S. at p. 301 (conc. opn. of Brennan, J.).) Justice Brennan
    asserted that “the pressures of custody make a suspect more likely to confide
    in others and to engage in ‘jailhouse bravado’ . . . [and that] [t]he State is in a
    unique position to exploit this vulnerability because it has virtually complete
    control over the suspect’s environment. Thus, the State can ensure that a
    suspect is barraged with questions from an undercover agent until the
    suspect confesses.” (Id. at pp. 302-303.) Justice Brennan also concluded that
    the undercover police agent had tricked Perkins into confessing. (Ibid.)
    However, a concurring opinion is not binding precedent. (Maryland v.
    Wilson (1997) 
    519 U.S. 408
    , 412-413 [statement in concurrence is not binding
    precedent].) Moreover, Justice Brennan did not opine that all such
    undercover operations violated the due process clause. Rather, he suggested
    that the appropriate approach would be to consider the totality of the
    circumstances. (Perkins, 
    supra,
     496 U.S. at pp. 302-303 (conc. opn. of
    Brennan, J.).) The trial court here did so. After listening to the recording,
    the court found “there was nothing that in any way suggested that Daniel
    was in some way intimidated into saying what he did to the CI.”
    Attempting to distinguish the majority holding in Perkins, supra,
    
    496 U.S. 292
    , Daniel contends that the “tag team approach” by the CI and
    Garcia “provided a coercive effect not present in Perkins.” He also claims
    that the temporary “rebook/interview cell” compelled him to talk. Further,
    Daniel argues that the CI was not merely a “passive listener,” but instead
    portrayed himself as an experienced gang member who had committed
    murder. Daniel concludes, “This was an intricately planned deception.”
    We agree that police conducted an “intricately planned deception.” But
    that alone does not make the ruse unconstitutional. “Voluntary confessions
    are not merely ‘a proper element in law enforcement,’ [citation], they are an
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    ‘unmitigated good,’ [citation], ‘ “essential to society’s compelling interest in
    finding, convicting, and punishing those who violate the law.” ’ ” (Maryland
    v. Shatzer (2010) 
    559 U.S. 98
    , 108.) “Ploys to mislead a suspect or lull him
    into a false sense of security that do not rise to the level of compulsion or
    coercion to speak are not within Miranda’s concerns.” (Perkins, 
    supra,
    496 U.S. at p. 297.) What Daniel describes as an “intricately planned
    deception” is instead good police work—necessitated by the very nature of the
    crimes. One victim was dead, there was no forensic evidence, and the only
    other eyewitness, himself a gang member, was unlikely to cooperate with law
    enforcement. Indeed, that risk materialized when at trial, Julye recanted his
    identification of Daniel and Elias.
    Detective Garcia was in the cell with Daniel and the CI for 41 minutes.
    However, Garcia never spoke directly to Daniel. Indeed, Daniel said only one
    thing to Garcia in the entire 41 minutes—he introduced himself as “Kieto
    from Center Street gang.” Accordingly, we reject Daniel’s assertion that he
    was “forced” to reveal his gang affiliation.
    After Garcia left the cell, Daniel conversed with the CI, completely
    unaware that his cellmate was an agent of the police. “Miranda forbids
    coercion,” the Supreme Court has said, “not mere strategic deception by
    taking advantage of a suspect’s misplaced trust in one he supposes to be”
    someone he can trust. (Perkins, 
    supra,
     496 U.S. at p. 297.) There was no
    police coercion that prompted Daniel to confess.
    Further, there is nothing about what the CI said that would have
    compelled Daniel to believe he must confess to anyone who happened to be
    present. The CI simply asked an open-ended question, “You got that little
    feeling that it’s something bad?” From that, Daniel quickly proceeded to tell
    his newfound mentor what happened—ultimately even describing the murder
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    weapon and explaining why they mistook Annebell for a Posole gang
    member. Daniel’s misplaced trust in the CI, and not any coercion, was the
    catalyst for his confession. (People v. Tate (2010) 
    49 Cal.4th 635
    , 686 (Tate)
    [“one who voluntarily speaks alone to a friend . . . has no reason to assume,
    during the private conversation, that he or she is subject to the coercive
    influences of police questioning”].)
    Daniel also asserts that the CI “was likely chosen for his aura of
    intimidation and status” as an older gang member within the hierarchy of
    criminal street gangs. However, any such status—a gang version of respect
    for one’s elders—would not cause the sort of coercion that concerned the
    Miranda court. “Miranda does not protect suspects when they describe
    criminal activities to people they think are cellmates. [Citation.] Rather,
    Miranda addressed concerns that a ‘police-dominated atmosphere’ generates
    ‘inherently compelling pressures’ that ‘undermine the individual’s will to
    resist’ questioning. [Citation.] Those concerns evaporate when, as here, an
    inmate speaks freely to someone he believes is a fellow inmate.” (Rodriguez,
    supra, 40 Cal.App.5th at p. 198 [rejecting argument that the defendant felt
    coerced because the informant posed as an older gang member].) Daniel
    spoke freely and at his own peril. (People v. Gonzales and Soliz (2011)
    
    52 Cal.4th 254
    , 284 [although defendant “misplaced his trust” in confiding in
    a fellow inmate who surreptitiously recorded their conversation, “his tape-
    recorded statements were voluntary and free of compulsion”]; Tate, 
    supra,
    49 Cal.4th at p. 686 [“voluntary statements to someone the suspect does not
    believe is a police officer or agent, in a conversation the suspect assumes is
    private, simply does not involve . . . [the] critical concerns” underlying
    Miranda].)
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    d.    Involuntary Confession
    Apart from his Miranda arguments, Daniel also contends that the
    “coercive effect” of the police tactics rendered his confession involuntary.
    Citing primarily People v. Whitt (1984) 
    36 Cal.3d 724
     (Whitt), Arizona v.
    Fulminante (1991) 
    499 U.S. 279
     (Fulminante), People v. Sims (1993)
    
    5 Cal.4th 405
     (Sims), and Combs v. Wingo (6th Cir. 1972) 
    465 F.2d 96
    (Combs), Daniel contends, “The combined effect of the gang challenge,
    repeated interrogations without proper Miranda advisories, the ruse lineup,
    the use of a small rebooking cell, . . . the fake grand jury indictment,” and his
    youth (age 20), “overcame Daniel’s will to remain silent, even though he
    plainly was content to keep to himself.”
    This argument fails because courts have repeatedly found to be proper
    interrogation tactics that are at least as deceptive as those employed here.
    These include falsely telling the suspect (1) his fingerprints were found at the
    scene; (2) he has been identified by a witness; and (3) that a gun residue test
    was positive. (Smith, supra, 40 Cal.4th at pp. 505-506 [collecting cases].)
    Perhaps one of the most novel deceptions occurred where police told the
    defendant in Smith that a “Neutron Proton Negligence Intelligence Test”
    showed he had recently fired a gun. (Smith, 
    supra,
     40 Cal.4th at p. 505.)
    Other cases contain similar holdings. (See, e.g., People v. Felix (1977)
    
    72 Cal.App.3d 879
    , 885 [“it is even permissible to pretend an accomplice has
    confessed in order to persuade the suspect to confess”]; People v. Thompson
    (1990) 
    50 Cal.3d 134
    , 167 [officers falsely told suspect that his car was
    connected with the murder scene by tire tracks and soil samples, that they
    found physical evidence linked to the victim in suspect’s car, and had found
    incriminating rope fibers in suspect’s bedroom]; In re Walker (1974) 
    10 Cal.3d 764
    , 777 [wounded suspect told he might die before he reached the hospital,
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    so he should talk while he still had the chance]; People v. Watkins (1970)
    
    6 Cal.App.3d 119
    , 124-125 [officer falsely told suspect his fingerprints had
    been found on the getaway car]; People v. Farnam (2002) 
    28 Cal.4th 107
    , 182
    [police falsely informed the defendant that his fingerprints were on the
    victim’s wallet].)
    “A psychological ploy is prohibited only when, in light of all the
    circumstances, it is so coercive that it tends to result in a statement that is
    both involuntary and unreliable.” (People v. Mays (2009) 
    174 Cal.App.4th 156
    , 164.) “ ‘So long as a police officer’s misrepresentations or omissions are
    not of a kind likely to produce a false confession, confessions prompted by
    deception are admissible in evidence. [Citations.] Police officers are thus at
    liberty to utilize deceptive stratagems to trick a guilty person into
    confessing.’ ” (Id. at p. 165.)
    Here, after listening to the recorded conversation between Daniel and
    the CI, the trial court found that Daniel “may have been influenced by the CI,
    but nothing the CI did made him talk about this.” The court found that the
    environment itself—a relatively large room with benches to sit on, a toilet,
    sink, and no ceiling-to-floor bars—was free from coercive influence.
    Moreover, although the CI was taller and heavier than Daniel, so too is
    most of the American adult male population.11 There is no evidence that the
    CI was chosen because his physical stature might intimidate, nor is there any
    evidence that it did intimidate. To the contrary, the court stated, “[I]n
    11    Daniel is five feet six inches tall. The average age-adjusted height for
    American men 20 years old and up is five feet nine inches tall. (Fryar,
    Kruszon-Moran, Gu, Ogden, Mean Body Weight, Height, Waist
    Circumference, and Body Mass Index Among Adults: United States, 1999-
    2000 Through 2015-2016 (Dec. 20, 2018) National Center for Health
    Statistics  [as of
    April 13, 2023], archived at .)
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    listening to [the recording,] there was nothing to suggest in any way [the CI]
    was in any way intimidating in his actions at all.”
    The cases Daniel cites do not support a contrary result. Daniel’s best
    argument is based on Whitt, supra, 
    36 Cal.3d 724
    , where in dicta our
    Supreme Court stated, “[W]hen an accused is in custody and confides in a
    government agent who is ‘ostensibly no more than a fellow inmate’ [citation],
    his statements may be deemed involuntary even though there is no coercion.
    The accused may well make ‘voluntary’ statements when he believes he is
    conversing with an ally. Yet by purposefully creating a false sense of
    security, the state is in a sense causing or compelling the accused to speak
    when he would not otherwise do so.” (Id. at pp. 745-746.) However, reliance
    on Whitt is inappropriate, not only because the key portion is dicta, but more
    importantly because that case predates Perkins, supra, 
    496 U.S. 292
    , by six
    years. (See Alejandre v. Montgomery (C.D.Cal. Oct. 7, 2019, No. 2:17-cv-
    07778-JLS-MAA) 
    2019 WL 7666541
    , at pp. *11-*12 [declining to follow Whitt
    because “Perkins, which controls here . . . is incompatible with such an
    approach”].)
    Daniel’s reliance on Fulminante, 
    supra,
     
    499 U.S. 279
     is also unavailing.
    There, the defendant was charged with murdering a child. A fellow inmate
    (and police informant) promised to protect him from his fellow inmates, but
    only if he told him about the murder. The defendant then admitted to
    sexually assaulting and shooting the victim. (Id. at p. 283.) The Supreme
    Court held the confession was coerced because there was a “credible threat of
    physical violence” unless the defendant confessed. (Id. at p. 287.) There is no
    evidence of any threat against Daniel.
    Daniel’s reliance on Sims, supra, 
    5 Cal.4th 405
     is also misplaced.
    There, the defendant was in custody in Las Vegas for murders he allegedly
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    committed in California and South Carolina. Police Mirandized the
    defendant and he invoked his right to counsel. As the officers were leaving
    the interview room, the defendant asked whether he would be extradited. An
    officer responded by giving a detailed explanation about the defendant’s
    suspected involvement in the California crime—that the police knew the
    murder victim had delivered a pizza to the defendant’s motel room, and the
    victim’s body was found in that room. The defendant interrupted and said,
    “ ‘I had to kill that boy.’ ” Surprised, the officer asked the defendant a
    question to the effect of, “ ‘What did you say?’ ” The defendant repeated, “ ‘I
    had to kill that boy.’ ” (Id. at pp. 437-438.)
    Sims held the defendant’s question about extradition did not waive his
    previously-invoked right to counsel. (Sims, 
    supra,
     5 Cal.4th at p. 441.)
    Further, according to Sims, the officer’s nonresponsive answer to the
    defendant’s extradition question violated Miranda because the officer
    “pursued a line of conversation far exceeding the scope of any answer
    legitimately responsive to a question concerning extradition.” (Id. at p. 442.)
    Sims is off point because Daniel did not invoke his Miranda rights, did not
    ask to consult with counsel before speaking with the CI, and confessed to
    someone he believed to be a fellow inmate. (Perkins, supra, 496 U.S. at
    p. 300.)
    Combs, supra, 
    465 F.2d 96
     is also distinguishable. There, police
    elicited a confession after the defendant stated he wanted to talk to an
    attorney. (Id. at pp. 98-99.) In his conversation with the CI, Daniel made no
    such request.
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    B.    The Trial Court Did Not Err in Admitting Daniel’s Statements
    Incriminating Elias and in Denying Defendants’ Motions for Separate
    Trials Because the Evidence Was Cross-Admissible
    1.    Background
    In speaking to the CI, Daniel identified Elias as “my homie” and by
    Elias’s gang moniker, Blue. Daniel incriminated Elias as an aider and
    abettor by stating (1) he and Elias drove close to the Park in Elias’s car;
    (2) Elias was “right behind” him during the shooting; and (3) Elias was
    unarmed and there “to ride” with him. Daniel stated that “everyone knows
    right there in my hood . . . that it was me with my homie” who shot Annebell.
    When the CI read the fake indictment containing Elias’s name, Daniel said,
    “That’s my . . . homie.”
    Moving for a separate trial, Elias asserted that because Daniel would
    not be testifying: (1) admitting this evidence would violate Elias’s rights
    under the confrontation clause of the Sixth Amendment, citing Aranda,
    supra, 
    63 Cal.2d 518
    , Bruton, 
    supra,
     
    391 U.S. 123
    , and Crawford, 
    supra,
    541 U.S. 36
    ; (2) the evidence is inadmissible hearsay; and (3) the hearsay
    exception for declarations against penal interest is inapplicable because
    Daniel’s statements incriminating Elias are not adverse to Daniel’s interest.
    Daniel also moved for a separate trial, asserting that severance “was
    required” to prevent prejudice from the “vast amount of inflammatory
    evidence that was relevant only to Elias’s case.” Daniel contends that Elias’s
    rap was “inadmissible against Daniel pursuant to Evidence Code section 352”
    and evidence obtained from Elias’s phone and social media accounts was
    “highly prejudicial.” Daniel also contends that the People’s case against Elias
    included “ ‘consciousness of guilt’ ” evidence (including recorded jail phone
    calls between Elias and his girlfriend) that would not have been admitted in
    a separate trial against Daniel.
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    The People opposed severance, primarily asserting that each
    defendant’s nontestimonial statements implicating the other are cross-
    admissible as declarations against interest.
    The trial court denied the motions for separate trials on the grounds
    that Daniel’s statements to the CI implicating Elias, and Elias’s statements
    in rap implicating Daniel (1) are not testimonial; and (2) are admissible in a
    joint trial as declarations against interest. The court added, “Joint trials are
    favored when both—[the] vast majority of the evidence is against both
    defendants and would have to be duplicated if we were to sever the case.”
    2.    General Principles, Separate Trials
    “Section 954 allows for the joint trial of ‘two or more different offenses
    connected together in their commission . . . or two or more different offenses
    of the same class of crimes or offenses.’ ” (People v. Gomez (2018) 
    6 Cal.5th 243
    , 275 (Gomez).) “Because it generally promotes efficiency, joinder of
    charges is ‘ “preferred by the law.” ’ ” (People v. Romero and Self (2015)
    
    62 Cal.4th 1
    , 28.) Thus, “[w]here joinder is proper under section 954, ‘[t]he
    burden is on the party seeking severance to clearly establish that there is a
    substantial danger of prejudice requiring that the charges be separately
    tried.’ ” (Gomez, at p. 275; see People v. Jackson (2016) 
    1 Cal.5th 269
    , 299
    [because of the preference for joinder, “ ‘a party seeking severance must make
    a stronger showing of potential prejudice than would be necessary to exclude
    other-crimes evidence in a severed trial’ ”].)
    Where defendants are charged with having committed “ ‘common
    crimes involving common events and victims,’ . . . the court is presented with
    a ‘ “classic case” ’ for a joint trial.” (People v. Coffman and Marlow (2004)
    
    34 Cal.4th 1
    , 40.)
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    Nevertheless, “ ‘the court may, in its discretion, order separate trials
    “in the face of an incriminating confession, prejudicial association with
    codefendants, likely confusion resulting from evidence on multiple counts,
    conflicting defenses, or the possibility that at a separate trial a codefendant
    would give exonerating testimony.” ’ ” (People v. Bryant, Smith and Wheeler
    (2014) 
    60 Cal.4th 335
    , 379.) Refusal to sever may be an abuse of discretion
    where: (1) evidence of the crimes to be jointly tried would not be cross-
    admissible in separate trials; (2) the charges are unusually likely to inflame
    the jury against the defendant; (3) a weak case has been joined with a strong
    case, creating a prejudicial spillover effect. (People v. Bradford (1997)
    
    15 Cal.4th 1229
    , 1315.)
    We review an order denying a motion to sever for abuse of discretion.
    (Gomez, 
    supra,
     6 Cal.5th at p. 275.) In doing so, “we first consider ‘the cross-
    admissibility of the evidence in hypothetical separate trials.’ [Citation.] If
    the evidence is cross-admissible, then this ‘is normally sufficient to dispel any
    suggestion of prejudice and to justify a trial court’s refusal to sever properly
    joined charges.’ [Citation.] If not, then we also consider ‘(1) whether some of
    the charges are particularly likely to inflame the jury against the defendant;
    (2) whether a weak case has been joined with a strong case or another weak
    case so that the totality of the evidence may alter the outcome as to some or
    all of the charges; or (3) whether one of the charges (but not another) is a
    capital offense, or the joinder of the charges converts the matter into a capital
    case.’ [Citation.] Moreover, ‘[e]ven if a defendant fails to demonstrate the
    trial court’s joinder ruling was an abuse of discretion when it was made,
    reversal may nonetheless be required if the defendant can demonstrate that
    “the joint trial resulted in such gross unfairness as to amount to a due
    process violation.” ’ ” (Gomez, at pp. 275-276.)
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    3.     The Trial Court Correctly Denied Elias’s Motion for Severance
    Because There is No Confrontation Clause Violation
    “[T]he Sixth Amendment to the federal Constitution gives a criminal
    defendant the right to confront and cross-examine adverse witnesses.”
    (People v. Lopez (2012) 
    55 Cal.4th 569
    , 576.) As Elias notes, a potential issue
    arises when a codefendant’s confession implicating the defendant is
    introduced into evidence at their joint trial. “If the declarant . . . invokes the
    Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination and declines to testify, the
    implicated defendant is unable to cross-examine [him] regarding the content
    of the confession.” (People v. Burney (2009) 
    47 Cal.4th 203
    , 230, superseded
    by statute on other grounds as stated in People v. Robertson (2012)
    
    208 Cal.App.4th 965
    , 981.)
    To address these concerns, “the Aranda/Bruton rule declares that a
    defendant is deprived of his or her Sixth Amendment right to confront
    witnesses when a facially incriminating statement of a nontestifying
    codefendant is introduced at their joint trial, even if the jury is instructed to
    consider the statement only against the declarant.” (People v. Gallardo
    (2017) 
    18 Cal.App.5th 51
    , 68 (Gallardo).)
    However, nearly 40 years after Aranda and Bruton, the United States
    Supreme Court clarified the scope of the confrontation clause in Crawford,
    
    supra,
     
    541 U.S. 36
    . Crawford holds that the confrontation clause prohibits
    only the admission of testimonial statements from an unavailable witness.
    (Id. at pp. 59, 68-69; see also People v. Gutierrez (2009) 
    45 Cal.4th 789
    , 812
    [“Only the admission of testimonial hearsay statements violates the
    confrontation clause . . . .”].)
    Crawford did not explicitly define “ ‘testimonial’ statements.”
    (Crawford, 
    supra,
     541 U.S. at p. 51.) It did, however, describe types of
    statements that constitute a “core class” of testimonial statements. (Ibid.)
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    These include functional equivalents of in-court testimony, such as affidavits
    and similar pretrial statements “ ‘made under circumstances which would
    lead an objective witness reasonably to believe that the statement would be
    available for use at a later trial.’ ” (Id. at pp. 51-52.) In sum, “the
    confrontation clause is concerned solely with hearsay statements that are
    testimonial, in that they are out-of-court analogs, in purpose and form, of the
    testimony given by witnesses at trial.” (People v. Cage (2007) 
    40 Cal.4th 965
    ,
    984.)
    Elias’s confrontation clause argument fails because Daniel’s statements
    to the CI are nontestimonial. “[S]tatements made unknowingly to an
    informant or statements between fellow prisoners are ‘clearly
    nontestimonial.’ ” (Fayed, supra, 9 Cal.5th at p. 169.)
    People v. Arauz (2012) 
    210 Cal.App.4th 1394
     (Arauz) is illustrative.
    There, the defendants were charged with attempted murder in a gang-related
    shooting. During the investigation, police arrested a suspected accomplice for
    an unrelated drug offense and placed him in a cell adjoining a paid informant
    posing as a Mexican Mafia member. (Id. at p. 1399.) The accomplice,
    deceived by this ruse, told the informant he drove the defendants to the scene
    and defendants shot the victims. (Ibid.) Defendants asserted that evidence
    of the accomplice’s incriminating statements violated their confrontation
    clause rights. (Id. at pp. 1401-1402.) Rejecting that argument, the Court of
    Appeal held the statements were nontestimonial because the accomplice
    “thought he was answering to the Mexican Mafia. He had no belief that his
    statements were being monitored and would be used in a subsequent trial.”
    (Id. at p. 1402.) “Arauz is in accord with numerous federal court decisions
    that have found statements made to informants under analogous
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    circumstances to be nontestimonial.” (Gallardo, supra, 18 Cal.App.5th at
    p. 67.)
    Like the accomplice in Arauz, supra, 
    210 Cal.App.4th 1394
    , Daniel
    thought he was conversing with a gang member. The conversations between
    Daniel and the CI, punctuated with a constant stream of profanity and gang
    jargon, have none of the formalities associated with sworn testimony. Based
    on the objective circumstances, no reasonable person in Daniel’s position
    would have believed his statements would be introduced at a later
    prosecution. (Gallardo, supra, 18 Cal.App.5th at pp. 67-68 [statements were
    nontestimonial because, regardless of informant’s intent in asking the
    question, there was no evidence defendant knew or suspected the informant
    was a government agent or that his comments might be used at trial].)
    The Aranda-Bruton argument fails for the same reason. Post-
    Crawford, the rule of those cases applies only to testimonial statements.
    (People v. Cortez (2016) 
    63 Cal.4th 101
    , 129 (Cortez) [rejecting Bruton
    argument because, among other things, “ ‘the confrontation clause applies
    only to testimonial hearsay statements’ ”]; see also People v. Washington
    (2017) 
    15 Cal.App.5th 19
    , 28.)
    Having determined that Daniel’s statements to the CI that implicated
    Elias do not present confrontation clause issues, we turn to whether the trial
    court properly determined they were admissible against Elias as declarations
    against Daniel’s penal interests.
    4.    The Trial Court Correctly Determined That Daniel’s Statements
    to the CI Implicating Elias are Declarations Against Interest
    Hearsay is generally inadmissible unless it falls under an exception.
    (Evid. Code, § 1200, subd. (b).) Evidence Code section 1230 is one such
    exception for a statement that, “when made, . . . so far subjected [the
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    declarant] to the risk of . . . criminal liability . . . that a reasonable man in his
    position would not have made the statement unless he believed it to be true.”
    The rationale underlying the exception is that “ ‘a person’s interest
    against being criminally implicated gives reasonable assurance of the
    veracity of his statement made against that interest,’ thereby mitigating the
    dangers usually associated with the admission of out-of-court statements.”
    (People v. Grimes (2016) 
    1 Cal.5th 698
    , 711 (Grimes).) “To demonstrate that
    an out-of-court declaration is admissible as a declaration against interest,
    ‘[t]he proponent of such evidence must show that the declarant is
    [1] unavailable, that [2] the declaration was against the declarant’s penal
    interest when made and that [3] the declaration was sufficiently reliable to
    warrant admission despite its hearsay character.’ ” (Ibid.)
    Elias does not challenge the first requirement, that by invoking his
    Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, Daniel was an unavailable
    witness. (See People v. Fuentes (1998) 
    61 Cal.App.4th 956
    , 961-962
    [declarant asserting the Fifth Amendment privilege is unavailable].) Rather,
    he contends that Daniel’s statements implicating Elias are not against
    Daniel’s penal interests.
    Two California Supreme Court cases, Grimes, 
    supra,
     
    1 Cal.5th 698
    , and
    Cortez, 
    supra,
     
    63 Cal.4th 101
    , guide this analysis. In Grimes, the Court
    clarified the long-standing “Leach rule” that Evidence Code section 1230 does
    not allow the trial court to admit “ ‘any statement or portion of a statement
    not itself specifically disserving to the interests of the declarant.’ ” (Grimes,
    at p. 713, quoting People v. Leach (1975) 
    15 Cal.3d 419
    , 441.) Grimes
    explained that California cases “have taken a contextual approach to the
    application of the Leach rule. We have applied Leach to bar admission of
    those portions of a third party’s confession that are self-serving or otherwise
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    appear to shift responsibility to others. [Citations.] But we have permitted
    the admission of those portions of a confession that, though not
    independently disserving of the declarant’s penal interests, also are not
    merely ‘self-serving,’ but ‘inextricably tied to and part of a specific statement
    against penal interest.’ ” (Grimes, at p. 715.) Noting that “context matters,”
    Grimes held that statements tending “to underscore [the declarant’s]
    responsibility for the crime, rather than diminish it,” were admissible as
    declarations against interest. (Id. at p. 717.)
    In Cortez, supra, 
    63 Cal.4th 101
    , Norma Cortez was jointly tried with a
    codefendant on charges arising from a drive-by shooting. The trial court
    admitted a recorded police interview with the codefendant’s nephew. The
    nephew told police that the codefendant said Norma “ ‘was the one driving’
    and ‘he was the one shooting.’ ” (Id. at pp. 107-108.) The trial court admitted
    these statements against Norma as declarations against her codefendant’s
    interest. Cortez explained, “ ‘[e]ven statements that are on their face neutral
    may actually be against the declarant’s interest.’ ” (Id. at p. 127.) The
    codefendant’s statements were against his penal interest because by
    identifying his accomplice by name, “he was increasing the likelihood that
    evidence connecting him to the shooting would be found.” (Ibid.)
    Like the declarant in Cortez, here Daniel named and implicated Elias
    as an aider and abettor. In so doing, Daniel increased the likelihood that
    evidence connecting him to Annebell’s murder would be found. That risk
    became a reality when the jury heard Elias’s rap lyrics incriminating Daniel.
    Moreover, the challenged statements are also against Daniel’s penal interests
    because they show Daniel committed the crimes with another Center Street
    gang member for the gang’s benefit, supporting a gang enhancement.
    Significantly, Daniel’s statements implicating Elias did not exculpate Daniel.
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    To the contrary, by telling the CI that Elias was unarmed, Daniel
    incriminated himself as the shooter. (See People v. Almeda (2018)
    
    19 Cal.App.5th 346
    , 364 [statements implicating a codefendant admissible as
    declarations against interest where not exculpatory or self-serving].)
    Attempting to distinguish Cortez, 
    supra,
     
    63 Cal.4th 101
    , Elias asserts
    that case involved a jointly planned shooting, whereas here, he claims the
    evidence “did not show the shooting was a joint, planned event.” However,
    even assuming for the sake of argument that this is a relevant distinction, as
    explained post there is substantial evidence of joint planning. In the weeks
    leading up to the murder, Elias twice had his girlfriend drive him to scout out
    the Park in rival gang territory where the shooting occurred.
    Elias also contends that under People v. Shipe (1975) 
    49 Cal.App.3d 343
    , the trial court should have excluded Daniel’s statements. There, after
    pleading guilty to a lesser offense, but before sentencing, the declarant
    confessed and implicated the defendant in a murder. Those statements did
    not qualify as declarations against interest because the declarant had a
    strong motive to lie and the statements exculpated himself for the greater
    offense. (Id. at p. 353.) Shipe is not helpful because the situation is
    inapposite. Daniel did not exculpate himself by implicating Elias, and Daniel
    did not have a strong motive to lie about Elias’s involvement.
    5.    The Trial Court Correctly Denied Daniel’s Motion to Sever
    Daniel contends that the trial court should have ordered separate trials
    because other “highly prejudicial” evidence was admissible only against Elias.
    This includes, he asserts, photographs on Elias’s phone showing gang
    affiliation, as well as statements Elias made in recorded conversations with
    police and his girlfriend.
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    However, this evidence was not “highly prejudicial.” It is substantially
    less inflammatory than admissions Daniel himself made, including that he
    “mercked a jaina.”
    Daniel also contends he “would have had a substantially greater
    likelihood of prevailing on his theory of mistaken identity had he been
    separately tried” because “[t]he jury was unable to separate out the prejudice
    of the gang-related evidence for [Elias] . . . .”
    This argument is untenable. Daniel told the CI:
    • He was involved in a “hot one,” i.e., a murder.
    • The shooting occurred around 2:00 a.m.
    • The shooting occurred in a park.
    • He used a .22 revolver.
    • Afterwards, he threw away his clothes.
    • One of the intended victims escaped.
    • He shot Annebell because he mistook her for a male gang member.
    • He “got” Posole.
    In light of these admissions, it is inconceivable that the jury convicted
    Daniel because of a carryover effect of gang-related evidence against Elias.
    For the same reasons, we reject Daniel’s claim that he was prejudiced by
    evidence of Elias’s consciousness of guilt (including recorded jail phone calls
    between Elias and his girlfriend).
    Additionally, the trial court instructed with CALCRIM No. 203, telling
    the jury it “must separately consider the evidence as it applies to each
    defendant,” and it “must decide each charge for each defendant separately.”
    The court also instructed that the jury could consider Elias’s statements
    made in his police interview only against Elias. Although limiting
    instructions will not necessarily alleviate all prejudice, the instructions here
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    minimized any prejudice to Daniel from evidence solely admissible against
    Elias. We presume the jury followed the instructions. (People v. Potts (2019)
    
    6 Cal.5th 1012
    , 1037 (Potts).)
    Daniel further contends the trial court abused its discretion in denying
    his motion to sever because in the joint trial, the court allowed Elias’s
    attorney to impeach Daniel’s credibility (i.e., regarding what Daniel stated to
    the CI) with Daniel’s prior felony conviction. However, even apart from
    impeachment, in a hypothetical separate trial a jury would have learned that
    Daniel had a prior felony conviction. In count 3, the People charged him with
    being a felon in possession of a firearm. Moreover, the court sanitized this
    evidence. The parties stipulated that the defendants had previously been
    convicted of an unspecified felony, and the court instructed the jury to not
    consider that fact for any other purpose except “in evaluating the credibility
    of Daniel Ramos’s out of court statements. Do not otherwise speculate about
    or discuss the nature of any other arrests or convictions.” Accordingly, there
    was no prejudice from the jury learning of his prior felony conviction. Nor
    has Daniel pointed to anything demonstrating that the joint trial “ ‘ “resulted
    in such gross unfairness as to amount to a due process violation.” ’ ” (Gomez,
    
    supra,
     6 Cal.5th at pp. 275-276.)12
    C.    The Trial Court Did Not Abuse Its Discretion in Denying the Motion to
    Disclose the CI’s Identity
    1.     Additional Factual Background
    Before trial, defense counsel moved to disclose the CI’s identity under
    section 1054.5, subdivision (b) governing discovery and the due process
    12    Daniel’s contention that severance was required on the grounds that
    Elias’s rap music was inadmissible against Daniel under Evidence Code
    section 352 is addressed, and rejected, in section II.D, post, dealing with the
    rap evidence. (See fn. 27, post.)
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    clause. Counsel asserted that the CI’s identity was necessary to litigate
    motions to suppress evidence.
    The People opposed the motion, asserting that the CI would not be
    called as a witness, the recording of the operation “speaks for itself,” and the
    CI was not a percipient witness to the shooting. The People concluded that
    the CI had no “exculpatory evidence related to the crime beyond what is
    contained [in] the recorded conversation which has been discovered and
    transcribed . . . .” The People asserted that “the tone and content of the
    conversation is readily ascertainable” by listening to the recording and
    Garcia could testify about what police told the CI relevant to the operation.
    Before the jury was impaneled, the court tentatively denied the defense
    motion on the grounds that, first, “the [CI] has no independent knowledge of
    the crime, was not a participant or a witness and only knows what Daniel
    told him and has no exculpatory information either. [¶] Secondly, the
    credibility of the informant is not an issue if the informant isn’t going to
    testify. . . . [¶] And here the full recording has been turned over.” (Italics
    added.)
    Having already determined that the recorded conversation did not
    violate Miranda or Massiah, and that Daniel’s confession was voluntary, the
    trial court also stated that “information about how the ruse was designed,
    history of the informant and the effect it would have on the defendant and
    the information and direction given to the informant for the interview of the
    defendant isn’t relevant, as there’s no Fifth or Sixth Amendment
    violations. . . . [¶] . . . [I]nformation about the body language and nonverbal
    communication has little relevance as to the statements themselves. Tone
    and inflection would be clear evidence of the meaning and body language and
    nonverbal communication; at least in this instance would not be helpful with
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    the interpretation.” The court’s ruling was “subject to hearing from [Garcia]
    about the mechanics of the recording.”
    Later, outside the jury’s presence, Garcia testified that the CI could not
    turn the recorder on or off. The recorder was turned on before the CI entered
    the cell, and remained so except during a “debrief of the CI on what’s
    occurring in the cell and then turn it back on again.” Garcia explained, “One
    day before the operation, we always have an operational briefing with the
    requesting Agency, with those people involved, myself, the uniformed people
    that are involved and the CI. That’s both a case briefing and a safety
    briefing.” He further testified that this briefing lasted “at least an hour” and
    they discussed “the fact pattern of the case, what occurred, who the suspects
    were in the case, who the victim was, where it occurred.” “Then we moved
    onto a safety brief on how the operation was going to run. We ran down in
    our mind how we wanted the operation to run on the following day and then
    concluded with a safety brief.” Police informed the CI of “the basic facts of
    the case: date, time, what occurred.” Those briefings are not recorded
    because confidential matters are discussed.
    After Garcia’s testimony, the court confirmed its tentative ruling,
    stating:
    “From the audio itself I could tell, other than the one break
    we addressed with the Detective, that it was continuous
    from when turned on throughout. . . . [¶] . . . [¶]
    “Based upon the testimony here, I do find the tape was
    continuous throughout the time in the cell . . . .
    “I would also note from my own listening to the tape that
    the tone and inflection of the CI’s voice and Daniel’s voice
    that there was nothing that in any way suggested that
    Daniel was in some way intimidated into saying what he
    did to the CI.
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    “The CI’s voice was calm. Probably chosen for that. There
    was nothing to indicate that this was in some way coercion
    to force Daniel to speak. He did so of his own free will.”
    2.     Daniel’s Contentions
    Daniel contends that the trial court violated his right to present a
    “complete defense” by denying the motion to disclose the CI’s identity.
    Asserting that the government has a due process obligation to disclose an
    informant’s identity “when it is relevant and helpful to the defense,” Daniel
    contends the CI was a material witness on the following issues:
    (1) statements marked “unintelligible” in the transcript and those in
    which the transcriber provided Spanish to English translation;
    (2) the CI’s physical attributes and personal demeanor;
    (3) Daniel’s nonverbal behavior;
    (4) gang jargon “that dominated the conversation”;
    (5) conversations between the CI and Garcia about the gang jargon and
    strategy to obtain a confession;
    (6) the CI’s observations of police conduct when “making coercive
    statements and presenting the fake indictment”;
    (7) payment to the CI in exchange for extracting Daniel’s confession
    and how that might have affected the operation and his testimony; and
    (8) confusion over whether Daniel said that the victim was gay.
    3.     Legal Principles
    Evidence Code section 1041 grants the government a privilege not to
    disclose the identity of a confidential informant when “the necessity for
    preserving the confidentiality of [the informer’s] identity outweighs the
    necessity for disclosure in the interest of justice.” (Evid. Code, § 1041,
    subd. (a)(2).) When this privilege is invoked, the state’s interest in preserving
    confidentiality must be balanced against the defendant’s right to due process
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    and a fair trial. (People v. Lee (1985) 
    164 Cal.App.3d 830
    , 835.) That balance
    hinges on whether the informant has knowledge of facts that would tend to
    exculpate the defendant. (People v. Bradley (2017) 
    7 Cal.App.5th 607
    , 621-
    622 (Bradley).)13 The defendant bears the burden of adducing “ ‘some’
    evidence” on this issue. (Davis v. Superior Court (2010) 
    186 Cal.App.4th 1272
    , 1276 (Davis).) The defendant’s showing “must rise above the level of
    sheer or unreasonable speculation and reach at least the low plateau of
    reasonable possibility.” (Ibid.)14
    We review the trial court’s ruling denying the motion to discover the
    informant’s identity for abuse of discretion. (Davis, supra, 186 Cal.App.4th
    at p. 1277.) There is no abuse of discretion in denying the motion where
    13    In his reply brief, Daniel contends that analyzing the issue under
    Evidence Code section 1041 is improper because the trial court did not rely on
    that statute in denying the motion. However, in the trial court, the People
    cited Evidence Code section 1041 in opposing Daniel’s motion. Although in
    ruling from the bench the court did not cite that statute, its analysis—and
    especially the finding that the CI had no exculpatory evidence to offer—
    tracks the relevant statutory criteria.
    14     In reply, Daniel also asserts that Evidence Code section 1041 only
    applies where information is furnished in confidence by the informer to law
    enforcement. He further contends that an informer is someone who
    “ ‘confidentially discloses a violation of law.’ ” Daniel asserts the CI was not
    an “informer” and the information, because played in court, could not have
    been “ ‘furnished in confidence.’ ”
    This argument misunderstands the purpose of Evidence Code
    section 1041. “The confidentiality of which [Evidence Code] section 1041
    speaks is the public interest in the confidentiality of the informant’s identity
    for purposes of effective law enforcement.” (People v. Otte (1989)
    
    214 Cal.App.3d 1522
    , 1531.) It “does not refer to the information
    communicated, unless the contents would disclose or tend to disclose the
    identity of the informant.” (Ibid.) In this case, the informant’s identity is the
    confidential information about which the People could assert the privilege.
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    “ ‘the record demonstrates, based on a sufficiently searching inquiry, that the
    informant could not have provided any evidence that, to a reasonable
    possibility, might have exonerated defendant.’ ” (Bradley, supra,
    7 Cal.App.5th at p. 620.)
    4.    No Abuse of Discretion
    The trial court did not abuse its discretion in denying the motion to
    disclose the CI’s identity. There was no evidence that the CI could offer any
    relevant information not contained in the recording itself. Moreover,
    evidence supporting the defense theory that the CI intimidated Daniel, if
    any, could be (and was) elicited from Garcia. He testified that the CI was
    taller and heavier than Daniel. Defense counsel did not ask any follow-up
    questions. In denying the motion, the court stated that even without this
    testimony, the court assumed that the CI was larger than Daniel.
    Daniel never demonstrated a reasonable possibility that the CI could
    provide exculpatory testimony. Even when given the opportunity to cross-
    examine Garcia about the CI’s physical stature and events during the
    41 minutes when Garcia was in the cell, Daniel adduced no evidence that his
    statements were the product of intimidation or somehow taken out of context.
    Daniel argues that the CI was a material witness regarding the
    circumstances of his confession, and that the CI had information no one else
    could know. However, the fundamental error in Daniel’s argument—which
    defeated his claim in the trial court and defeats it again here—is that he did
    not make even a low “some evidence” showing that this was the case. There
    is nothing even suggesting that Daniel was, or even professed to be,
    intimidated. Our independent listening to the recording shows that the
    conversation between Daniel and the CI was at all times casual, even
    friendly—two gang members facing a common adversary and similar charges.
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    There is no evidence that the recording is incomplete or defectively recorded.
    “The mere assertion that [an] informant is a material witness on [the] issue
    [of guilt], without any plausible support therefor” is insufficient. (People v.
    Fried (1989) 
    214 Cal.App.3d 1309
    , 1315.)
    In asserting that the trial court erred in denying his motion to disclose
    the CI’s identity, Daniel primarily relies on Crane v. Kentucky (1986)
    
    476 U.S. 683
    , which held that a defendant was constitutionally entitled to
    introduce testimony about the physical and psychological environment in
    which he confessed to show his confession was not credible. However, the
    facts in Crane are substantially different from those here. The confession
    elicited in that case was not the work of a confidential informant, nor does
    the opinion indicate that the confession was recorded. Thus, in Crane the
    only source of evidence about the nature and circumstances of the
    interrogation was from the participants. Moreover, unlike Daniel’s case, the
    defendant in Crane made an offer of proof that police officers would testify
    “about the size and other physical characteristics of the interrogation room,
    the length of the interview, and various other details about the taking of the
    confession.” (Id. at p. 686.) In contrast here, the entire conversation was
    recorded and Garcia testified about the physical characteristics of the room
    and other details about the confession. Nothing in the record shows that the
    CI would have any additional relevant testimony on these issues.
    Citing People v. Lanfrey (1988) 
    204 Cal.App.3d 491
    , Daniel also
    contends, “ ‘No one knows what the undisclosed informer, if produced, might
    testify. He might contradict or persuasively explain away the prosecution’s
    evidence.’ ” However, Lanfrey undercuts Daniel’s argument. There, the
    appellate court affirmed an order denying a motion to disclose a confidential
    informant’s identity because “there was no reasonable possibility that the
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    informer could give evidence on the issue of guilt which might result in [the
    defendant’s] exoneration.” (Id. at p. 503.) Similarly here, the trial court did
    not abuse its discretion. The court found “there was nothing to suggest in
    any way [the CI] was in any way intimidating in his actions at all” and
    Daniel spoke “of his own free will.”
    D.    The Trial Court Did Not Abuse Its Discretion in Admitting Evidence of
    Elias’s Rap
    1.    Background
    Police discovered recordings of Elias performing rap on his smartphone
    and on YouTube. Generally, the rap refers to Center Street gang culture and
    criminal activity. Before trial, Elias moved to exclude the rap “on hearsay
    and [Evidence Code section] 352 grounds.”15
    Outside the jury’s presence, the court conducted a hearing to address
    these points. The trial court ruled that the videos were admissible against
    Elias under the hearsay exception for a party admission and were relevant to
    show his gang affiliation, premeditation, and intent. The court also noted
    there was a similarity between events described in one of the songs, “Blue,
    Friday Summer Night,” and the charged offenses.
    The trial court also ruled the rap was admissible under the hearsay
    exception for a declaration against interest because (1) the lyrics could
    subject Elias to criminal liability for participating in a criminal street gang
    under section 186.22; and (2) Elias was on probation with “gang conditions”
    and three of the rap videos either occurred or were posted after the court
    15     Evidence Code section 352 provides: “The court in its discretion may
    exclude evidence if its probative value is substantially outweighed by the
    probability that its admission will (a) necessitate undue consumption of time
    or (b) create substantial danger of undue prejudice, of confusing the issues, or
    of misleading the jury.”
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    imposed those terms. The court found the videos were trustworthy because
    they were performed with no coercion, published on YouTube, did not shift
    blame to others, and were made prior to the charged crimes.
    Nicholas Olsen, the People’s gang expert, testified that rap lyrics
    identify the monikers of gang members and the individual performing the
    rap, their association with that gang, and depict the gang’s territory. Only a
    gang member would make reference to such things in a rap video. He also
    testified that the gang rapper uses rap as a diary of gang events.
    The rap was played for the jurors, who were also given transcripts of
    the lyrics.16 For example, the jury heard these lyrics in “Blue, This One’s for
    My Homies”:
    “This one’s for my homies, this one’s for my homies. . . . [¶]
    New track, new estilo [style], new whip, new bitch, new
    strap, same hood, same homies, same nut, same rivals
    getting hit, can’t stop ‘cause I won’t—won’t stop ‘cause I
    can’t (stop), I am the mother fucken man when it comes to
    this. And I am a mother fucker G when it comes to
    that. . . . [Y]a know how we rolling, patrollin’ . . . .17
    [¶] . . . [¶]
    “I’ll make your bitch wet every time she hears my voice, it’s
    alright though let it be. I have her screaming out three
    letters in my bed, CST. . . . Kieto’s my brother so if you
    hurt him I hurt you . . . . I’m a phone call away if it’s time
    to ride. Let’s ride.
    16    The quotes that follow are verbatim from those transcripts, which
    contain inconsistent and incorrect spellings and punctuation.
    17     Olsen testified that “whip” is a car, “strap” is a gun, and “same rivals
    getting hit” means rival gangs getting murdered and assaulted. When a gang
    member says “they’re a G,” that means they are a gangster. Gang members
    “rolling and patrolling” means they are in a vehicle trying to find rival gang
    members to assault.
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    “. . . Yeah, in loving memory of Javier Luna, also known as
    Crooks. Yeah. C’s up baby.”18
    In “Blue, That’s How We Do It,” the jury heard Elias sing:
    “. . . I’m strapped now in the neighborhood so you better
    bow down . . . . I’m the first one to clack. . . . I swear I own
    my own glock and keep that shit G. I never hesitate when
    it’s time to fuckin’ squeeze. . . . Oceanside cops (fuck ‘em)
    so you know it don’t stop . . . . Shout out to Kieto, . . . really
    got enemies on the run doin’t it for fun caught you on the
    run doin’ it for fun, doin’ it for fun, got you on the run just
    doin’ it for fun motherfucker fucker. [¶] . . . Let’s go to the
    other side where all the fools they hidin’ where the fuck you
    at?”19
    In “Blue, Friday Summer Night,” the jury heard:
    “In the land of panocheros so I crack them on [sight]. I
    gotta let ‘em know who the fuck runs the city . . . . [¶]
    . . . Still in the club holding guns not giving a fuck. In the
    hood, always trying to function. Give two fucks even
    though your name was on the gang injunction.”20
    2.      Defendants’ Contentions
    Daniel contends the trial court abused its discretion in admitting the
    rap as declarations against Elias’s penal interest. He asserts that the songs
    could not have subjected Elias to “criminal liability for Annebell’s murder
    18    “CST” is Center Street. “To ride” is to find rival gang members and
    assault them. Javier Luna was stabbed to death by Posole gang members.
    “C’s up” is the gang’s sign.
    19     To “clack” is to shoot. To “squeeze” means to pull the trigger. “Getting
    enemies on the run” means assaulting rival gang members and causing them
    to flee. The “other side” refers to Posole territory.
    20   “Panocheros” is a derogatory term for Posole gang members. To “crack
    them on sight” means to shoot them on sight.
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    because they were made several months before the crime occurred.” He also
    contends that two of the five songs were recorded in 2015, and thus could not
    have subjected Elias to prosecution for violating gang-related probation
    conditions that were not imposed until 2016. Daniel further asserts there is
    no evidence showing when the videos were made or lyrics written and,
    therefore, the songs were inadmissible.
    In related arguments directed to lack of trustworthiness, Daniel argues
    that the trial court “failed to consider Elias’s motivation in making the songs,
    including fame, bragging, and puffery, and that he had reasons to
    exaggerate.” Daniel further contends the rap is simply Elias “exercising his
    First Amendment right to artistic expression.” Echoing that argument, Elias
    asserts that lyrics do not “always” reflect the author’s true state of mind.
    Defendants also contend the trial court abused its discretion in
    determining that the rap was not unduly prejudicial under Evidence Code
    section 352.
    3.       Newly Enacted Evidence Code Section 352.2 Does Not Apply
    Retroactively
    Before discussing defendants’ challenges to the admission of Elias’s rap
    videos, we must address whether newly enacted Evidence Code section 352.2
    is retroactively applicable to this case.
    Effective January 1, 2023, newly enacted Evidence Code section 352.2
    creates specific rules that the trial court must follow in deciding whether to
    admit evidence of “a form of creative expression” in a criminal trial. Evidence
    Code section 352.2 states in full:
    “(a) In any criminal proceeding where a party seeks to admit as
    evidence a form of creative expression, the court, while balancing
    the probative value of that evidence against the substantial
    danger of undue prejudice under [Evidence Code] Section 352,
    shall consider, in addition to the factors listed in Section 352,
    that: (1) the probative value of such expression for its literal
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    truth or as a truthful narrative is minimal unless that expression
    is created near in time to the charged crime or crimes, bears a
    sufficient level of similarity to the charged crime or crimes, or
    includes factual detail not otherwise publicly available; and (2)
    undue prejudice includes, but is not limited to, the possibility
    that the trier of fact will, in violation of [Evidence Code] Section
    1101, treat the expression as evidence of the defendant’s
    propensity for violence or general criminal disposition as well as
    the possibility that the evidence will explicitly or implicitly inject
    racial bias into the proceedings.
    “(b) If proffered and relevant to the issues in the case, the court
    shall consider the following as well as any additional relevant
    evidence offered by either party:
    “(1) Credible testimony on the genre of creative expression as to
    the social or cultural context, rules, conventions, and artistic
    techniques of the expression.
    “(2) Experimental or social science research demonstrating that
    the introduction of a particular type of expression explicitly or
    implicitly introduces racial bias into the proceedings.
    “(3) Evidence to rebut such research or testimony.
    “(c) For purposes of this section, ‘creative expression’ means the
    expression or application of creativity or imagination in the
    production or arrangement of forms, sounds, words, movements,
    or symbols, including, but not limited to, music, dance,
    performance art, visual art, poetry, literature, film, and other
    such objects or media.
    “(d) The question of the admissibility of a form of creative
    expression shall be heard in limine and determined by the court,
    outside the presence and hearing of the jury, pursuant to
    [Evidence Code] Section 402. The court shall state on the record
    its ruling and its reasons therefor.” (Evid. Code, § 352.2.)
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    In enacting the provision, the Legislature made the following findings
    and declarations, showing that a particular concern was the possible unfair
    prejudice stemming from the admission of rap lyrics:
    “(a) Existing precedent allows artists’ creative expression to be
    admitted as evidence in criminal proceedings without a
    sufficiently robust inquiry into whether such evidence introduces
    bias or prejudice into the proceedings. In particular, a
    substantial body of research shows a significant risk of unfair
    prejudice when rap lyrics are introduced into evidence. Stuart P.
    Fischoff, ‘Gangsta’ Rap and a Murder in Bakersfield,’ 29 J.
    Applied Soc. Psych. 795, 803 (1999); Carrie B. Fried, ‘Who’s
    Afraid of Rap? Differential Reactions to Music Lyrics.’ J. Applied
    Soc. Psych. 29:705-721 (1999); Adam Dunbar and Charis E.
    Kubrin, ‘Imagining Violent Criminals: An Experimental
    Investigation of Music Stereotypes and Character Judgments,’
    Journal of Experimental Criminology 14:507-528 (2018).
    “(b) It is the intent of this Legislature to provide a framework by
    which courts can ensure that the use of an accused person’s
    creative expression will not be used to introduce stereotypes or
    activate bias against the defendant, nor as character or
    propensity evidence; and to recognize that the use of rap lyrics
    and other creative expression as circumstantial evidence of
    motive or intent is not a sufficient justification to overcome
    substantial evidence that the introduction of rap lyrics creates a
    substantial risk of unfair prejudice.” (Stats. 2022, ch. 973, § 1.)
    In its most recent order remanding this matter to us, our Supreme
    Court directed us to consider the applicability of Evidence Code section 352.2.
    In their supplemental briefing, defendants contend that Evidence Code
    section 352.2 applies retroactively to cases, like theirs, that are not yet final.
    On that basis, they seek reversal of the judgment and a remand so that the
    trial court may apply Evidence Code section 352.2 in deciding whether to
    admit Elias’s rap videos. The People contend that Evidence Code
    section 352.2 is not retroactively applicable.
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    The general rule is that “when there is nothing to indicate a contrary
    intent in a statute it will be presumed that the Legislature intended the
    statute to operate prospectively and not retroactively.” (In re Estrada (1965)
    
    63 Cal.2d 740
    , 746 (Estrada).)21 “Courts look to the Legislature’s intent in
    order to determine if a law is meant to apply retroactively.” (People v. Frahs
    (2020) 
    9 Cal.5th 618
    , 627 (Frahs).) Here, neither the text of Evidence Code
    section 352.2 itself, nor the Legislature’s findings and declarations, give any
    express indication that the Legislature intended Evidence Code section 352.2
    to apply retroactively to nonfinal cases.
    “In Estrada, supra, 
    63 Cal.2d 740
    , [our Supreme Court] held that
    amendatory statutes that lessen the punishment for criminal conduct are
    ordinarily intended to apply retroactively.” (Frahs, supra, 9 Cal.5th at p. 627
    [citing Estrada at pp. 744-745].) “ ‘Estrada stands for the proposition that,
    “where the amendatory statute mitigates punishment and there is no
    saving[s] clause, the rule is that the amendment will operate retroactively so
    that the lighter punishment is imposed.” ’ ” (Frahs, at p. 628.) When
    Estrada’s retroactivity principle is applicable, it covers “all cases that are not
    21     Although some statutory codes contain an express provision setting
    forth a presumption of prospective application, the Evidence Code does not
    contain such a provision. (People v. Hayes (1989) 
    49 Cal.3d 1260
    , 1276 (conc.
    & dis. opn. of Mosk, J.) [“With the exception of the Evidence Code, the basic
    California codes contain a provision declaring that ‘No part of [this code] is
    retroactive, unless expressly so declared.’ (Civ. Code, § 3; Code Civ. Proc.,
    § 3; Pen. Code, § 3; see also Lab. Code, § 4”]; see also Evid. Code, § 12 [instead
    of stating that no part of the code is retroactive, providing that, with one
    exception, a trial commenced before the code’s effective date of January 1,
    1967, “shall not be governed by this code”].) The absence of an express
    provision on prospective application in the Evidence Code is not dispositive
    here, as the common law presumption of prospective application should
    nevertheless apply. (Estrada, supra, 63 Cal.2d at p. 746.)
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    yet final as of the legislation’s effective date.” (People v. Esquivel (2021)
    
    11 Cal.5th 671
    , 675.)
    Frahs is one of our Supreme Court’s most recent opinions concerning
    the retroactivity of a new ameliorative provision. (Frahs, supra, 9 Cal.5th at
    pp. 627-637.) In Frahs, our Supreme Court surveyed the situations in which
    Estrada’s retroactivity rule has been applied.
    “We have applied Estrada’s inference of retroactivity to statutes
    governing penalty enhancements, as well as statutes governing
    substantive offenses. (E.g., People v. Wright (2006) 
    40 Cal.4th 81
    ,
    94-95 [newly enacted affirmative defense to transporting
    marijuana applies retroactively]; Tapia v. Superior Court (1991)
    
    53 Cal.3d 282
    , 301 [statute specifying that certain death-penalty
    qualifying special circumstances must be intentional applies
    retroactively]; In re Kirk (1965) 
    63 Cal.2d 761
    , 762-763
    [amendment increasing dollar amount concerning insufficient
    funds checks applies retroactively].)
    “Significantly, we have also applied the Estrada rule to statutes
    that merely made a reduced punishment possible. . . . In [People
    v. Francis (1969) 
    71 Cal.2d 66
    ], we inferred that the Legislature
    intended retroactive application of an amendment that allowed a
    trial court to exercise its sentencing discretion more favorably for
    individual defendants. . . .
    “More recently, in [People v. Superior Court (Lara) (2018)
    
    4 Cal.5th 299
     (Lara)], we determined that the Estrada rule
    applied to an amendatory act that ‘ameliorated the possible
    punishment for a class of persons.’ . . . Lara concerned the
    retroactivity of Proposition 57 (approved by voters, Gen. Elec.
    (Nov. 8, 2016)) (Proposition 57), the relevant provisions of which
    prohibit prosecutors from directly filing charges against a minor
    in ‘adult’ criminal court and give juvenile courts the sole
    discretion to determine, after conducting a transfer hearing,
    whether a minor can be prosecuted and sentenced as an
    adult. . . . We explained that although Proposition 57 did not
    mitigate punishment for any particular crime, the Estrada
    inference of retroactivity nevertheless applied because the law
    ‘reduces the possible punishment for a class of persons, namely
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    juveniles.’ . . . We concluded that the potential ameliorating
    benefit of remaining in the juvenile court system was analogous
    to the potential reduction in a criminal defendant’s sentence in
    Estrada and Francis, and therefore the same inference of
    retroactivity should apply.” (Frahs, supra, 9 Cal.5th at pp. 628-
    629.)
    After surveying the case law, our Supreme Court in Frahs held that, in
    the absence of a contrary legislative indication, the newly enacted mental
    health diversion statute, section 1001.36, applies retroactively because it
    mitigates the possible punishment for a class of persons. (Frahs, supra,
    9 Cal.5th at pp. 630-637.) Frahs explained that “the possibility of being
    granted mental health diversion rather than being tried and sentenced ‘can
    result in dramatically different and more lenient treatment.’ ” (Id. at p. 631.)
    Specifically, “[o]n its face, the diversion statute states the legislative purpose
    ‘to promote . . . [¶] [i]ncreased diversion of individuals with mental disorders
    to mitigate the individuals’ entry and reentry into the criminal justice system
    while protecting public safety’ (§ 1001.35, subd. (a)), and the procedures
    instituted by the enactment carry the potential of substantial reductions in
    punishment for the aforementioned parties.” (Frahs, at p. 631.) Thus, “the
    ameliorative nature of the diversion program places it squarely within the
    spirit of the Estrada rule.” (Ibid.; see also People v. Stamps (2020) 
    9 Cal.5th 685
    , 699 [“Eliminating the prior restriction on the court’s ability to strike a
    serious felony enhancement in furtherance of justice constitutes an
    ameliorative change within the meaning of Estrada.”].)22
    22    Because the mental health diversion statute at issue in Frahs, supra,
    9 Cal.5th at page 631 could result in the ultimate dismissal of a criminal
    charge, one court has interpreted Frahs as standing for the rule that “[a]
    possible reduction in the extent of punishment and the possibility of avoiding
    any punishment whatsoever are both ‘potentially ameliorative benefit[s].’ ”
    (People v. Montano (2022) 
    80 Cal.App.5th 82
    , 106, italics added (Montano).)
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    As our Supreme Court has recently summarized the applicable rule,
    “[n]ewly enacted legislation lessening criminal punishment or reducing
    criminal liability presumptively applies to all cases not yet final on appeal at
    the time of the legislation’s effective date.” (People v. Gentile (2020)
    
    10 Cal.5th 830
    , 852, italics added (Gentile); see also People v. Tran (2022)
    
    13 Cal.5th 1169
    , 1207 (Tran) [“Estrada applies to statutory amendments
    ‘which redefine, to the benefit of defendants, conduct subject to criminal
    sanctions.’ ”].) Put another way, “In the Estrada context, an ameliorative law
    is one that mitigates the legal effect, or consequences, of criminal conduct.”
    (People v. Ramirez (2022) 
    79 Cal.App.5th 48
    , 66 (conc. opn. of Bamattre-
    Manoukian, J.), review granted Aug. 17, 2022, S275341 (Ramirez).) No case
    from our Supreme Court “has ever applied the Estrada rule to a statute . . .
    that does not alter the punishment for an offense, make a lesser punishment
    possible, or change the elements of an offense or a defense.” (People v. Burgos
    (2022) 
    77 Cal.App.5th 550
    , 572 (dis. opn. of Elia, J.), review granted July 13,
    2022, S274743 (Burgos); see also People v. Perez (2022) 
    78 Cal.App.5th 192
    ,
    207, review granted Aug. 17, 2022, S275090 (Perez) [newly enacted § 1109
    requiring bifurcation of gang enhancements on defendant’s request was not
    retroactive because it “does not reduce the punishment or narrow the scope of
    the application of the gang statute.”].)23 “The Estrada rule applies only
    23     Burgos, supra, 
    77 Cal.App.5th 550
    , review granted, Ramirez, supra,
    
    79 Cal.App.5th 48
    , review granted, and Perez, supra, 
    78 Cal.App.5th 192
    ,
    review granted, discussed the issue of retroactivity in the context of a
    different newly-enacted statutory provision, section 1109, which provides
    that, upon a defendant’s request, the trial of gang enhancements must be
    bifurcated from the trial of substantive offenses. (§ 1109, subds. (a) & (b).)
    As we will discuss in section II.P, post, appellate opinions are divided on
    whether section 1109 retroactively applies to nonfinal cases, and that issue is
    currently pending before our Supreme Court.
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    where the new law is ‘ameliorative’ of criminal liability or punishment.”
    (Burgos, at p. 573 (dis. opn. of Elia, J.).) As one court has concluded, “our
    high court has declined to extend the reach of Estrada to legislative action
    that does not alter or reduce criminal punishment or treatment for past
    criminal conduct.” (People v. Cervantes (2020) 
    55 Cal.App.5th 927
    , 939 [citing
    People v. Brown (2012) 
    54 Cal.4th 314
    , 317-318].)
    Thus, in the absence of any legislative indication to the contrary, to
    decide whether Evidence Code section 352.2 is retroactively applicable to
    nonfinal cases, we must determine whether it is either legislation “lessening
    criminal punishment” or legislation “reducing criminal liability.” (Gentile,
    supra, 10 Cal. 5th at p. 852.) The answer to both questions is clearly no.
    Even though Evidence Code section 352.2 may, in many instances, end up
    being beneficial to a criminal defendant in that it may result in the exclusion
    of evidence favorable to the People, it is not a statute that creates the
    possibility of lesser punishment or any other type of more lenient treatment.
    It is also not a statute that reduces criminal liability, such as by altering the
    substantive requirements for a conviction or expanding a defense.24 Instead,
    the Legislature’s findings and declarations show that Evidence Code section
    352.2 was enacted to prevent the admission of unfairly prejudicial evidence
    when not warranted in the circumstances of a particular case. (Stats. 2022,
    ch. 973, § 1.)
    24     Moreover, as the People point out in supplemental briefing, Evidence
    Code section 352.2 may also, in certain instances, work against the interests
    of a criminal defendant. As the People explain, “prosecutors are a party to
    criminal actions and may oppose under Evidence Code section 352.2 a
    defendant’s proffer of rap-lyric evidence as, for example, third-party
    culpability evidence. If a prosecution-requested exclusion occurs, the new
    rule will harm some criminal defendants just as much as it helps many
    others.”
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    Citing Lara, 
    supra,
     4 Cal.5th at pages 307-311, and Frahs, supra,
    9 Cal.5th at page 624, Daniel argues, “Retroactivity is not limited to laws
    that decrease punishment or give courts discretion to consider different
    sentencing outcomes. The Estrada presumption also applies where a new
    law creates a potential ameliorative benefit to defendants.”25 However, in
    Lara the potential ameliorative benefit to the defendant concerned “the
    possible punishment for a class of persons, namely juveniles” (Lara, at p. 308,
    italics added), and in Frahs the potential ameliorative benefit was the
    “potential of substantial reductions in punishment” due to mental health
    diversion, including the possible ultimate dismissal of criminal charges
    (Frahs, at p. 631, italics added). Here, as we have explained, Evidence Code
    section 352.2 does not enact a lesser punishment, potential or otherwise, and
    does not give rise to more lenient treatment of a defendant. It also does not
    alter criminal liability. It is therefore not an ameliorative enactment within
    the meaning of Estrada.
    We are aware that People v. Venable (2023) 
    88 Cal.App.5th 445
     recently
    came to a different conclusion about the retroactivity of Evidence Code
    section 352.2. We respectfully disagree with our colleagues in Division Two.
    Venable concludes that our Supreme Court’s opinions in Lara, 
    supra,
    4 Cal.5th 299
     and Frahs, supra, 
    9 Cal. 5th 618
     support the retroactive
    application of Evidence Code section 352.2. (Venable, at pp. 456-457.) But as
    25    Elias makes a similar argument, focusing on what he identifies as the
    ameliorative effect of Evidence Code section 352.2. “The logic in In re
    Estrada, supra, applies here. The changes set forth in the new statute,
    although not directly reducing punishment, are ameliorative to criminal
    defendants in the sense that they are intended to benefit criminal defendants
    by the exclusion of harmful and prejudicial evidence in the form of creative
    expressions. This potentially results in the defendant not being convicted, or
    convicted of a lesser crime.”
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    we have explained, we do not believe those authorities control because those
    two cases concern statutory enactments resulting in potentially more lenient
    punishment for defendants, which is not the effect of Evidence Code section
    352.2.
    Current precedent from our Supreme Court does not support an
    extension of the Estrada rule to a statutory change that may possibly benefit
    a criminal defendant but that does not redefine the conduct subject to
    criminal sanctions or, at least potentially, reduce or eliminate the applicable
    punishment. Therefore we conclude Evidence Code section 352.2 does not
    apply retroactively.
    4.    No Abuse of Discretion in Determining Elias’s Rap Videos Are
    Declarations Against Elias’s Penal Interest
    Having concluded that Evidence Code section 352.2 is not retroactively
    applicable, we turn to defendants’ arguments challenging the admission of
    Elias’s rap videos. We review the trial court’s decision to admit evidence
    under Evidence Code section 1230 for abuse of discretion. (Grimes, supra,
    1 Cal.5th at p. 711.) The decision “ ‘ “ ‘will not be disturbed except on a
    showing the trial court exercised its discretion in an arbitrary, capricious, or
    patently absurd manner that resulted in a manifest miscarriage of
    justice.’ ” ’ ” (People v. McCurdy (2014) 
    59 Cal.4th 1063
    , 1108.)
    As a threshold issue, we reject Elias’s contention that it is “not even
    certain” that he wrote the lyrics. The applicable standard does not require
    authentication to a certainty. Moreover, outside the jury’s presence the court
    conducted a hearing where the People authenticated the rap as Elias’s. In
    allowing the evidence, the court stated that the jury would make the ultimate
    determination. Defendants were free to argue that Elias did not write and
    did not perform the rap. In closing arguments, neither defense counsel did
    so.
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    To the contrary, Elias’s lawyer effectively conceded Elias’s authorship,
    arguing, “They didn’t find the firearm that [Elias] raps about in his tracks
    when he says: I own my own Glock.” Later, counsel similarly stated, “I’d
    submit to you that what we’re essentially listening to in Mr. Elias Ramos’
    music, whether you like it or not or you find the lyrics distasteful or not, is
    essentially kind of a representation of the things in his world . . . .” (Italics
    added.)
    Turning to the hearsay exception, Daniel contends the songs were not
    against Elias’s penal interest because they only show that Elias was in a
    gang, and “ ‘[m]ere active and knowing participation in a criminal street gang
    is not a crime.’ ” Daniel asserts there was “no evidence” that the rap referred
    to actual crimes and “merely rapping about Center Street and its members
    did not subject [Elias] to criminal liability under section 186.22.”
    Section 186.22, subdivision (a) creates a substantive offense for
    “ ‘[1] [a]ny person who actively participates in any criminal street gang
    [2] with knowledge that its members engage in or have engaged in a pattern
    of criminal gang activity, and [3] who willfully promotes, furthers, or assists
    in any felonious criminal conduct by members of that gang . . . .’ ”26 (People
    v. Rodriguez (2012) 
    55 Cal.4th 1125
    , 1130.) Elias’s rap is against Elias’s
    penal interest because in those songs Elias admits each of these elements:
    26     Section 186.22, subdivision (a) currently provides: “A person who
    actively participates in a criminal street gang with knowledge that its
    members engage in, or have engaged in, a pattern of criminal gang activity,
    and who willfully promotes, furthers, or assists in felonious criminal conduct
    by members of that gang, shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail
    for a period not to exceed one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison for
    16 months, or two or three years.” Daniel and Elias were not charged with a
    violation of section 186.22, subdivision (a).
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    (1) Active participation: Elias raps that he is “[r]ollin’ with the older
    homies . . . Kieto’s my brother so if you hurt him I hurt you . . . I’m a phone
    call away if it’s time to ride. Let’s ride.” He also sings that he doesn’t
    “hesitate to squeeze [i.e., shoot].” He then sings, “Center Street on my neck
    so you know I did it”—Elias actually has “Center Street” tattooed on his neck;
    (2) Knowledge that its members engage in a pattern of criminal activity:
    Elias raps, “It’s Center Street gang comin’ at you with the sickest, the realest
    about to kill it . . . that’s how we do it motherfuckers . . . aiming for the dome
    so you can fuckin’ die slow and you know how we do it up in Center Street
    fool”; and
    (3) Willfully promotes, furthers, or assists in the gang’s felonious
    conduct: Elias sings, “And when you hit my mother fucken bridge be
    strapped ‘cause my homies will aim right at you, fuck around and they might
    just snatch you.” “He asked me ‘if my pistol packin’ I told him ‘hell yeah
    dawg’ and he just started laughing (ha). Just in case a motherfucker wanna
    act up we do ‘em up real quick thought you knew what’s up.”
    The trial court correctly ruled that these statements “could subject
    Elias to criminal liability for participation in a criminal street gang under
    [section] 186.22 [subdivision] (a).” “ ‘ “To be against penal interest . . . the
    statement need not be made to persons who are likely to use it against the
    declarant in court proceedings. Declarations against penal interest are
    received notwithstanding that they were spoken in confidence in the
    expectation they would not be repeated to the authorities. [Citations.]
    Indeed, that makes such declarations more trustworthy.” ’ ” (People v.
    Masters (2016) 
    62 Cal.4th 1019
    , 1056.) Moreover, the songs not only helped
    establish that Elias was Blue of the Center Street gang, but also that with
    Daniel (Kieto), he went looking to assault Posole gang members.
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    Additionally, even assuming that Elias wrote these lyrics before the
    charged offenses, lines such as: (1) “I’m the first one to clack. . . . I swear I
    own my own glock and keep that shit G. I never hesitate when it’s time to
    fuckin’ squeeze”; and (2) “In the land of panocheros so I crack them on sight.
    I gotta let ‘em know who the fuck runs the city . . . .” show intent and motive
    to find and shoot Posole gang members in Posole territory.
    Moreover, there are similarities between the instant crimes and events
    described in the rap. In “Blue, Now You Know,” Elias raps that he makes
    rivals “run and hide[,] do or die.” Annebell hid; Julye ran for his life. In
    “Blue, That’s How We Do It,” Elias raps that Center Street is “aiming for the
    dome [head] so you can fuckin’ die slow.” Annebell died when the bullet
    severed her spinal cord and blood accumulated at the base of her skull.
    People v. Zepeda (2008) 
    167 Cal.App.4th 25
     (Zepeda) further supports
    the trial court’s ruling. In Zepeda, the defendant shot a rival gang member
    and killed the rival’s son. (Id. at p. 28.) The trial court allowed into evidence
    this rap written by the defendant: “[G]uard your house and load the gate
    mother fucker I’m about to retaliate, creepin’ up in your window, puttin’ a
    slug into your face, slippin’ and sliding outta the scene so bad I don’t catch a
    case . . . .” (Id. at p. 33.) On appeal, the defendant argued the evidence was
    inadmissible because the lyrics were “works of fiction presuming to be art.”
    (Id. at p. 34.) Rejecting that argument, the court held the lyrics showed
    motive and intent to kill rivals, even if the lyrics predated the charged
    offenses. (Id. at p. 35.)
    Of course, in many other contexts, song lyrics do not reflect their
    author’s true state of mind. Neil Young did not shoot his girlfriend, although
    he sang that he did in “Down by the River.” And Johnny Cash did not kill a
    man in Reno just to watch him die, even though he sang that he did in
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    “Folsom Prison Blues.” However, the significant distinction between lyrics
    such as these and Elias’s rap is that the “street gang rap artist” creates rap
    as a “diary of themselves.” Accordingly, Elias’s rap may reasonably be
    understood as evidence of his state of mind, his motives and intentions, and
    his loyalty to Center Street in furthering its criminal gang activities.
    (Zepeda, supra, 167 Cal.App.4th at p. 35 [expert testified that gangs
    communicate through music; held: rap lyrics admissible].) “If Johnny Cash
    had ever been charged with murdering a man in Reno, the prosecution would
    have likely been able to introduce Cash’s lyrics as evidence that the murder
    was premeditated.” (United States v. Carpenter (E.D.N.Y. 2019)
    
    372 F.Supp.3d 74
    , 78-79.) Similarly here, charged with hunting Posole gang
    members to kill in Posole territory, Elias’s lyrics, (1) “Let’s go to the other
    side where all the fools they hidin’ where the fuck you at?”, (2) “In the land of
    panocheros so I crack them on sight,” and similar statements are admissible
    declarations against his penal interest. “Artistic work that refers to a specific
    act or motive that can be tied back to the alleged crime can be highly
    probative evidence.” (Id. at p. 79.)
    Nevertheless, Daniel asserts that even if admissible against Elias, the
    rap was inadmissible against Daniel because “Daniel did not write the lyrics,
    perform in the videos, or post the videos to YouTube.” However, Elias’s raps
    refer to Daniel (Kieto) as his “brother” who, in committing gang crime, is
    “right beside me.” (Italics added.) In a recorded jail conversation, Julye told
    JoJo that Daniel and Elias were “side by side” when the shooting started.
    The trial court did not abuse its discretion in ruling that the evidence was
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    admissible against Daniel to show identity stemming from his association
    with Elias as depicted in the rap.27
    5.    The Trial Court Did Not Abuse Its Discretion in Determining the
    Rap Lyrics Were Trustworthy
    “ ‘In determining whether a statement is truly against interest within
    the meaning of Evidence Code section 1230, and hence is sufficiently
    trustworthy to be admissible, the court may take into account not just the
    words but the circumstances under which they were uttered, the possible
    motivation of the declarant, and the declarant’s relationship to the
    defendant.’ ” (Grimes, supra, 1 Cal.5th at p. 711.) “ ‘There is no litmus test
    for the determination of whether a statement is trustworthy and falls within
    the declaration against interest exception. The trial court must look to the
    totality of the circumstances in which the statement was made, whether the
    declarant spoke from personal knowledge, the possible motivation of the
    declarant, what was actually said by the declarant and anything else
    relevant to the inquiry.’ ” (Arauz, supra, 210 Cal.App.4th at p. 1400.)
    Contrary to Daniel’s contention, the trial court did not abuse its
    discretion in determining the rap evidence was trustworthy. The “ ‘most
    reliable circumstance is one in which the [statements] occur[ ] between
    friends in a noncoercive setting that fosters uninhibited disclosures.’ ”
    27     Daniel makes these same arguments in also asserting that the court
    erred in denying his motion to sever. Moreover, as explained post, we reject
    the argument that the rap was inadmissible under Evidence Code
    section 352. Accordingly, Daniel’s arguments for severance on that ground
    fail. (People v. Greenberger (1997) 
    58 Cal.App.4th 298
    , 334 [“a declaration
    against interest may be admitted in a joint trial so long as the statement
    satisfies the statutory definition and otherwise satisfies the constitutional
    requirement of trustworthiness”]; see also People v. O’Malley (2016)
    
    62 Cal.4th 944
    , 968 [“significant cross-admissible evidence” justified the trial
    court’s refusal to sever].)
    62
    (People v. Tran (2013) 
    215 Cal.App.4th 1207
    , 1217.) Elias’s rap was
    performed “in an informal setting with no coercion of any type.”
    Daniel also contends the rap is not trustworthy because it is mostly
    bragging and exaggeration. However, the trial court could reasonably
    conclude otherwise. Olsen testified that unlike commercial rap music, gang
    rap is not fictional storytelling. Moreover, it is unlikely that Elias was
    merely boasting because gangs will discipline a member claiming credit for
    gang crime committed by another.
    Daniel’s argument that the rap is an exercise in “First Amendment
    right to artistic expression” also fails. Although the First Amendment limits
    the government’s ability to regulate the content of speech, it “does not
    prohibit the evidentiary use of speech to establish the elements of a crime or
    to prove motive or intent.” (Wisconsin v. Mitchell (1993) 
    508 U.S. 476
    , 489.)
    6.    The Trial Court Did Not Abuse Its Discretion in Applying
    Evidence Code Section 352 and in Determining the Rap
    Was Not Improper Character Evidence
    Before trial, the defense offered to stipulate that Center Street is a
    criminal street gang that engages in criminal activity, including predicate
    offenses required for the allegations under section 186.22, subdivisions (b)(1)
    and (b)(5). In light of this proposed stipulation, the defense asked the court
    to exclude testimony from the People’s gang expert as involving “an undue
    consumption of time.” Counsel also sought to limit the gang expert’s
    testimony on “ultimate opinion[s]” and to exclude “evidence that the shooting
    constituted gang-related conduct” on the grounds it was “far too
    insubstantial . . . to be presented to a jury” and was “extremely prejudicial.”
    Additionally, invoking Evidence Code section 352, Daniel’s attorney
    moved to exclude “gang predicates, evidence of field interviews, and other
    extraneous gang evidence.” At a pretrial hearing, Daniel’s attorney stated,
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    “There’s really not going to be any dispute that Center Street is a criminal
    street gang . . . . [¶] And at least from Daniel’s perspective at this point, it’s
    not going to be in dispute that Daniel was a member of this gang. . . . [¶] . . .
    [¶] We need to do a full [Evidence Code section] 352 analysis even if the
    District Attorney is not willing to stipulate on a piece of paper.”
    The trial court denied the motion to exclude the gang expert’s
    testimony, noting that the People agreed that the expert would not opine
    regarding Daniel’s and Elias’s “subjective specific intent or knowledge” nor
    “relate case specific hearsay.” The court ruled that the gang expert could
    testify about gang signs, symbols, territory, operations, primary activities,
    and pattern of criminal conduct—plus opinions “based upon case specific facts
    that have been independently established by competent evidence.” The court
    noted that the rap was prejudicial only because it was so probative on motive,
    intent, and identity, and “not because of some . . . extraneous factors one
    would look at when they’re doing a[n Evidence Code section] 352 analysis,
    which the Court has looked at.”
    Daniel contends the trial court abused its discretion in making these
    rulings because, “There is no evidence Daniel wrote the lyrics, performed in
    the videos, downloaded [sic] them onto YouTube, or provided the background
    music.” He argues that the evidence would evoke an “emotional bias” while
    having “no relevance to whether he was the shooter.” He further contends
    that he is “not responsible for what Elias had on his cellphone and social
    media accounts” and “[t]he jury should have been instructed they could not
    use this inflammatory evidence” against him. Elias argues that the rap
    evidence was inadmissible character evidence because “[i]ts only relevance
    was to show he was the type of person likely to have been the second
    suspect.”
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    “Gang evidence is admissible if it is logically relevant to some material
    issue in the case other than character evidence, is not more prejudicial than
    probative, and is not cumulative. [Citations.] . . . [¶] However, gang
    evidence is inadmissible if introduced only to ‘show a defendant’s criminal
    disposition or bad character as a means of creating an inference the
    defendant committed the charged offense. [Citations.]’ [Citations.] . . . Even
    if gang evidence is relevant, it may have a highly inflammatory impact on the
    jury. Thus, ‘trial courts should carefully scrutinize such evidence before
    admitting it.’ ” (People v. Avitia (2005) 
    127 Cal.App.4th 185
    , 192.)
    Under Evidence Code section 352, a court may exclude evidence where
    its probative value is substantially outweighed by the probability that its
    admission would create substantial danger of undue prejudice, of confusing
    the issues, or of misleading the jury. (People v. Cole (2004) 
    33 Cal.4th 1158
    ,
    1195.) “ ‘ “Prejudice,” as used in Evidence Code section 352, is not
    synonymous with “damaging.” [Citation.] Rather, it refers to evidence that
    uniquely tends to evoke an emotional bias against the defendant as an
    individual, and has little to do with the legal issues raised in the trial.’ ”
    (People v. Miles (2020) 
    9 Cal.5th 513
    , 587.) “ ‘ “We will not disturb a trial
    court’s exercise of discretion under Evidence Code section 352 ‘ “except on a
    showing that the court exercised its discretion in an arbitrary, capricious or
    patently absurd manner that resulted in a manifest miscarriage of
    justice.” ’ ” ’ ” (Miles, at pp. 587-588, italics omitted.)
    The trial court did not abuse its discretion in allowing the rap evidence.
    Intent and identity were at issue, and the rap evidences that Daniel and
    Elias were active Center Street gang members, that each had a motive and
    intent to kill Posole gang members (or Annebell, who appeared to be one),
    and that each defendant committed the crimes for the gang’s benefit.
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    We agree with Daniel that jurors would find the gang culture and
    conduct described in the rap to be reprehensible and depraved. But that
    lifestyle was a central issue in this case because the offenses were alleged to
    be gang related. That probative evidence reflects negatively on a defendant
    is not grounds for its exclusion under Evidence Code section 352. The
    prejudice with which that statute is concerned is that which causes a jury to
    prejudge a party based on extraneous factors rather than relevant and
    probative evidence. (People v. Tran (2011) 
    51 Cal.4th 1040
    , 1048.) The songs
    challenged here were much less inflammatory than the murder itself—
    shooting an unarmed teen hiding in a jungle gym at a public park. The trial
    court could reasonably conclude that the rap “did not rise to the level of
    evoking an emotional bias against [either] defendant as an individual apart
    from what the facts proved.” (Zepeda, supra, 167 Cal.App.4th at p. 35
    [rejecting a claim of Evidence Code section 352 error in the introduction of
    rap lyrics in a gang murder case].)
    People v. Coneal (2019) 
    41 Cal.App.5th 951
    , cited by defendants, is
    materially distinguishable. There, the trial court erred by admitting rap
    videos because the evidence was cumulative and offered to show criminal
    disposition. (Id. at pp. 965-970.) Moreover, there was no evidence that the
    lyrics depicted actual events the defendant or his gang “committed or
    intended to commit.” (Id. at pp. 969-970.) Because the rap evidence had
    little probative value, the prosecution in Coneal proffered the evidence to
    prove that defendant “ ‘embraced the gang lifestyle’ ” and was a violent gang
    member. As such, the People “skirt[ed] dangerously close to advocating the
    use of the videos as evidence of [the defendant’s] violent character.” (Id. at
    p. 971.)
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    Unlike Coneal, here the rap was not cumulative and as explained ante,
    the lyrics are probative of Daniel’s and Elias’s motive and intent to kill Posole
    gang members at the Park. Moreover, unlike Coneal, here the prosecutor did
    not impermissibly offer the evidence to show the defendants had violent
    dispositions—rather, the prosecutor (and the court) explicitly stated the
    evidence was being admitted to show “motive, intent and premeditation.”
    7.    The Trial Court Did Not Abuse Its Discretion in Allowing Expert
    Testimony on the Meaning of Gang Jargon in Rap Lyrics
    Olsen translated the rap’s gang jargon into everyday English. (See
    fns. 17-20, ante.) He also testified that when a Center Street member speaks
    of going “to the other side where all the fools, they hiding,” it means going to
    Posole territory.
    Citing Evidence Code section 801, subdivision (a), Daniel contends
    Olsen’s testimony was improper because the lyrics were “not ‘sufficiently
    beyond common experience’ to require [the expert’s] interpretation.” In
    related arguments, Daniel also contends that Olsen’s testimony about the rap
    “was prejudicial and cumulative to the other detectives’ testimony.”
    “ ‘Expert opinion testimony is admissible only if it is “[r]elated to a
    subject that is sufficiently beyond common experience that the opinion of an
    expert would assist the trier of fact.” ’ [Citations.] ‘When expert opinion is
    offered, much must be left to the trial court’s discretion.’ [Citation.] The trial
    court has broad discretion in deciding whether to admit or exclude expert
    testimony [citation], and its decision as to whether expert testimony meets
    the standard for admissibility is subject to review for abuse of discretion.”
    (People v. McDowell (2012) 
    54 Cal.4th 395
    , 425-426.)
    Daniel’s arguments are untenable for at least two reasons. First, the
    trial court did not abuse its discretion in determining that Olsen was
    qualified to opine on the meaning of gang jargon. Olsen had four years’
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    experience investigating gang crimes. He had particular expertise with the
    Center Street gang, having contacted its members for the past 11 years.
    Second, the trial court did not abuse its discretion in concluding that
    expert testimony on these matters was appropriate. “In determining the
    admissibility of expert testimony, ‘the pertinent question is whether, even if
    jurors have some knowledge of the subject matter, expert opinion testimony
    would assist the jury.’ ” (People v. Lindberg (2008) 
    45 Cal.4th 1
    , 45.) Courts
    have repeatedly held that the elements of gang culture, including the slang
    they use, are beyond the ken of most jurors and thus an appropriate topic for
    expert testimony. (Id. at pp. 46-47 [white supremacist terminology]; People v.
    Champion (1995) 
    9 Cal.4th 879
    , 924 & fn. 15 [expert translated gang terms],
    overruled on other grounds in People v. Combs (2004) 
    34 Cal.4th 821
    , 860.)
    E.    The Trial Court Did Not Abuse Its Discretion in Admitting Gang
    Evidence Apart from Rap
    Citing People v. Albarran (2007) 
    149 Cal.App.4th 214
     (Albarran),
    Daniel contends the trial court should have “limited the gang testimony” and
    precluded police detectives from testifying about “the Mexican Mafia,” Elias’s
    Center Street tattoo, photographs of Elias with fellow gang members, a
    photograph of a person alleged to be Elias with a revolver in his waistband,
    and a trial exhibit (exhibit 30), which Daniel’s brief describes as “a
    photograph of an insect on top of a nude female with a caption stating, ‘How
    girls feel when they fuck a nigga from the Eastside.’ ” Daniel contends this
    “unduly prejudicial” evidence “had no relevance.”
    However, references to the Mexican Mafia were not inflammatory. The
    gang expert testified that there are severe repercussions for “street-level
    Hispanic gang members” if they disobey “rules outlined by Mexican Mafia.”
    There was no evidence or suggestion that defendants were members of the
    Mexican Mafia. Elias’s gang tattoo, photographs with other gang members,
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    and photograph with a revolver are relevant to motive and intent. Although
    we are troubled by Daniel’s characterization of exhibit 30, he does not cite to
    any portion of the reporter’s transcript where that exhibit was discussed by a
    witness or published to the jury. Our independent review of the record shows
    that references to exhibit 30 were sanitized to avoid any undue prejudice.
    Olsen testified that the reference to “Eastside” was another way of referring
    to Posole. The derogatory photograph was relevant to show the extent of the
    gang rivalry. On cross-examination, Olsen testified that this type of “slander
    or propaganda” is common in gang subculture—thus further ameliorating
    any undue prejudice.
    Moreover, Daniel’s reliance on Albarran is misplaced. In Albarran,
    supra, 
    149 Cal.App.4th 214
    , two men shot at a house during a party. A
    witness who had been within 10 feet of both gunmen did not identify
    Albarran. He testified he knew Albarran from school and would have
    recognized him if he had been one of the shooters. (Id. at pp. 217-219 &
    fn. 1.) Nevertheless, the trial court permitted the prosecutor to introduce “a
    panoply of incriminating gang evidence” against Albarran. One deputy
    testified to Albarran’s gang membership, his gang tattoos (including a
    Mexican Mafia tattoo), the prevalence of graffiti for Albarran’s gang around
    his home, the identities and arrests of other members of Albarran’s gang, and
    the crimes that the gang committed. The deputy also testified that the
    resident of the house belonged to a different gang. The deputy opined that
    the shooting was gang related and intended to benefit Albarran’s gang, which
    was engaged in an active gang war. (Id. at pp. 220-221, 227.)
    The Court of Appeal concluded that it was error to admit the gang
    evidence because it was irrelevant, cumulative, and presented a substantial
    risk of undue prejudice, noting further that the “paramount function of this
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    evidence was to show [the defendant’s] criminal disposition.” (Albarran,
    supra, 149 Cal.App.4th at p. 228.) The outcome in Albarran was compelled
    by the complete absence of evidence that the crimes were gang related or that
    the defendant had a gang motive. (Id. at pp. 217, 222, 227.) Daniel and
    Elias’s case is very different. The gang motive is plain. Moreover, in
    Albarran other people essentially portrayed the defendant as a bad and
    dangerous person, based in part on the behavior of those with whom he
    associated. In contrast here, Elias freely rapped about his gang affiliation
    and crimes, Daniel confessed to killing Annebell with a .22-caliber revolver,
    and there was expert testimony of gang affiliation.
    F.    The Trial Court Did Not Err in Allowing Evidence Of Six Predicate
    Offenses
    1.    Background
    The jury found that Daniel and Elias committed murder and attempted
    murder for the benefit of or in association with a criminal street gang within
    the meaning of section 186.22, subdivision (b). At the time of trial, the
    statute stated, “A criminal street gang is any ongoing association that has as
    one of its primary activities the commission of certain criminal offenses and
    engages through its members in a ‘pattern of criminal gang activity.’
    [Citations.] A pattern of criminal gang activity is ‘the commission of,
    attempted commission of, conspiracy to commit, or solicitation of, sustained
    juvenile petition for, or conviction of two or more’ specified criminal offenses
    within a certain time frame, ‘on separate occasions, or by two or more
    persons’ . . . .” (People v. Tran, 
    supra,
     51 Cal.4th at p. 1044, italics added.)
    The “two or more” specified criminal offenses are commonly referred to as
    “predicate offenses.” (People v. Gardeley (1996) 
    14 Cal.4th 605
    , 610,
    disapproved on other grounds in People v. Sanchez (2016) 
    63 Cal.4th 665
    ,
    686, fn. 13 (Sanchez).)
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    Before trial, the defense moved to exclude evidence of predicate
    offenses under Evidence Code section 352. Daniel’s attorney offered to
    stipulate that Daniel is a Center Street gang member “and the predicates for
    that.” Elias’s attorney also expressed a willingness to stipulate “to some of
    the facts and predicates.”
    However, the People declined the offer and instead moved to admit six
    predicates, one of which was Elias’s prior conviction for unlawfully possessing
    a firearm. Citing People v. Rivas (2013) 
    214 Cal.App.4th 1410
     (Rivas) and
    People v. Hill (2011) 
    191 Cal.App.4th 1104
     (Hill), the prosecutor stated, “Case
    law favors the admission of multiple predicates in gang cases where [section]
    186.22 is alleged.”
    To “minimize” undue prejudice, the prosecutor told the court that his
    witness would not recite the underlying facts of the predicates “in gross detail
    other than what is reflected in the certified record of conviction.” The
    prosecutor stated that he would only ask, “[O]n this date and time, was this
    individual convicted of this offense? Yes. That person a gang member based
    on your training and experience? Yes. Number one is done. Then the same
    thing with number two, three, four through six and—and that’s it.”
    Objecting, Elias’s attorney argued, “[T]here’s several predicate offenses
    that can be chosen from,” making it unnecessarily prejudicial to include
    Elias’s conviction for unlawfully possessing a firearm. Elias’s attorney
    further argued, “I think [six] exceeds what’s required by the statute. It
    continues the prejudicial effect and certainly would not be necessary.”
    Elaborating on the argument, Daniel’s attorney argued:
    “[W]hen we have a gang case, not only a gang case but a
    gang murder case with the kinds of content that the
    District Attorney wishes to put forth, then . . . the
    prejudicial effect of all of these things coming in, when it is
    not a fact that is going to be in dispute. [¶] . . . [¶]
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    “There’s really not going to be any dispute that Center
    Street is a criminal street gang or that Varrios Posole Locos
    is a criminal street gang.
    “And at least from Daniel’s perspective at this point, it’s not
    going to be in dispute that Daniel was a member of this
    gang.
    “So to continue to allow the District Attorney to put, as he
    said, the full strength of their case, it’s obvious from the
    prosecution perspective why he wants to bring all this in,
    because the more a jury . . . hear[s] the bad things that
    these gangs do, having nothing to do with the individual
    facts of this case, is going to inexorably prejudice them
    against whoever is sitting here on a case that really comes
    down to ID, not whether it was for the benefit of the gang,
    not whether the gang is an actual gang.”
    After requesting and reviewing supplemental briefs, the trial court
    noted that the defense stipulation being offered “is only to certain elements of
    the [section] 186.22 charge” and “not the entire allegation.” For example, the
    defense had not offered to stipulate that each defendant “intended to assist,
    further or promote criminal conduct by gang members; nor the nature of a
    gang’s primary crimes and the pattern and activity.” Accordingly, the court
    ruled, the “predicate offenses” remained “highly relevant.” Additionally, the
    court ruled that the People could not be compelled to accept a stipulation if
    the effect would be to deprive the State’s case of its forcefulness, and “that’s
    what would occur here.”28
    28    “A trial court cannot compel a prosecutor to accept a stipulation that
    would deprive the state’s case of its evidentiary persuasiveness or
    forcefulness. [Citations.] ‘[A] criminal defendant may not stipulate or admit
    his way out of the full evidentiary force of the case as the Government
    chooses to present it.’ ” (People v. Rogers (2013) 
    57 Cal.4th 296
    , 329-330.)
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    Further, “even apart from the gang allegations” relating to the
    enhancement, the court noted that the alleged “motive for the murder and
    attempted murder is that they were gang motivated, and so the actual
    evidence concerning the Center Street gang is very probative of the motive,”
    which in turn is relevant in establishing intent.
    Rejecting defense objections under Evidence Code section 352, the trial
    court stated: “And so even considering 352 and understanding the effect of
    gang evidence, the evidence here is so probative on important factors for the
    People’s case that the probative value outweighs any prejudicial effect.”
    At trial, the prosecutor elicited testimony of the following predicate
    offenses committed by Center Street gang members:
    (1) Elias, convicted in December 2015 for unlawfully possessing a
    firearm;
    (2) Luis Mejia Rivera, convicted by guilty plea in November 2015 for
    assault with a deadly weapon (ADW) with an enhancement for causing great
    bodily injury, and another count of assault by means likely to produce great
    bodily injury;
    (3) Vincente Huerta, convicted in June 2015 for ADW;
    (4) Fermin Barrera, convicted by guilty plea for ADW;
    (5) Jesus Castro Palacioa, convicted in June 2011 for ADW with great
    bodily injury; and
    (6) Jesus Perez, convicted in November 2009 for ADW.
    2.    The Trial Court Did Not Abuse Its Discretion
    Daniel contends it was undisputed that Center Street is a criminal
    street gang, and section 186.22 only requires two predicate offenses. He
    asserts, therefore, the trial court abused its discretion under Evidence Code
    section 352 by allowing six predicates into evidence. We disagree.
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    We first consider evidence of Elias’s own predicate offense, since that
    carries the highest potential for undue prejudice. In People v. Tran, 
    supra,
    51 Cal.4th 1040
    , our Supreme Court held that evidence of a prior offense
    committed by the defendant on a separate occasion can be used to prove gang
    allegations under section 186.22. (Id. at p. 1044.) In that case, Tran, a
    prominent gang member, shot an innocent bystander during a gang
    altercation, believing the victim to be a member of a rival gang. (Id. at
    pp. 1044-1045.) Among other charges, the prosecution alleged a gang
    enhancement under section 186.22. (Id. at p. 1046.) To establish a pattern of
    criminal gang activity as required to prove those charges, the prosecution
    presented evidence of prior criminal activity undertaken by Tran and other
    gang associates, including evidence that Tran had pled guilty to a charge of
    extortion three years earlier. (Id. at pp. 1045-1046.)
    On appeal, Tran argued the trial court abused its discretion by
    admitting evidence of his prior offense because its prejudicial effect
    substantially outweighed its probative value. (People v. Tran, 
    supra,
    51 Cal.4th at p. 1047.) Rejecting that argument, our Supreme Court stated,
    “In prosecutions for active participation in a criminal street gang, the
    probative value of evidence of a defendant’s gang-related separate offense
    generally is greater [than in other cases] because it provides direct proof of
    several ultimate facts necessary to a conviction. Thus, that the defendant
    committed a gang-related offense on a separate occasion provides direct
    evidence of a predicate offense, that the defendant actively participated in the
    criminal street gang, and that the defendant knew the gang engaged in a
    pattern of criminal gang activity.” (Id. at p. 1048.) The Court therefore held
    the evidence was admissible.
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    Here, the trial court conscientiously grappled with these issues, heard
    extensive argument by counsel, and even requested and reviewed
    supplemental briefs. Even if evidence of other predicate offenses made it
    unnecessary to use Elias’s prior conviction, “[t]hat the prosecution might be
    able to develop evidence of predicate offenses committed by other gang
    members . . . does not require exclusion of evidence of a defendant’s own
    separate offense to show a pattern of criminal gang activity.” (People v. Tran,
    
    supra,
     51 Cal.4th at p. 1049.)29
    Section 186.22 “speaks of a ‘pattern’ and permits the prosecution to
    introduce evidence of ‘two or more’ offenses.” (Rivas, supra, 214 Cal.App.4th
    at p. 1436.) Courts have found no abuse of discretion where a trial court has
    allowed evidence of six predicate offenses. (Ibid.) And in Hill, supra,
    
    191 Cal.App.4th 1104
    , the appellate court upheld the admission of eight
    predicate offenses over the defendant’s Evidence Code section 352 objections.
    (Hill, at pp. 1138-1139.) The court concluded that the admission of the eight
    predicate offenses did not create a “ ‘street brawl’ ” or “ ‘endless discussions’ ”
    on the subject of gangs. (Id. at p. 1139.)
    As courts have recognized, a prosecutor reasonably may be “leery of
    introducing too little evidence about predicate crimes” lest their convictions
    be overturned on appeal based on insufficient evidence. (Rivas, supra,
    214 Cal.App.4th at p. 1436.) Indeed, in this case, Elias asserts “the
    predicates were insufficient to establish that any of the crimes were the
    gang’s primary activity.” Given the necessity of proving the elements of the
    29    Daniel’s trial lawyer conceded this point, stating outside the jury’s
    presence, “To be completely honest and being frank with the court, the court
    doesn’t have to agree with my [Evidence Code section] 352 analysis, of course,
    and looking at the case law, because the way gang cases go, this court
    probably wouldn’t be reversed on it. And I’m not trying to say that it would.”
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    gang enhancement (and to guard against insufficiency of evidence claims),
    allowing evidence of six predicate offenses was not an abuse of discretion.
    Moreover, the evidence was not unduly prejudicial. An important
    factor in determining whether evidence of a defendant’s other offenses is
    unduly prejudicial is whether it is more inflammatory than the charged
    crimes. (People v. Tran, 
    supra,
     51 Cal.4th at p. 1047.) As the trial court
    correctly recognized, although the predicates in this case included ADW, they
    did not include homicide and thus were less inflammatory than the charged
    crimes. Additionally, evidence establishing the predicate offenses was
    introduced with a single witness, and his testimony omitted all details of the
    predicate convictions.30 Any potential undue prejudice was ameliorated by
    (1) sanitizing the evidence to omit all details of the offenses; and
    (2) instructing the jury with CALCRIM No. 1403, telling jurors they “may not
    conclude from [gang] evidence that the defendant is a person of bad character
    or that he has a disposition to commit crime.”
    G.    The Trial Court Did Not Err in Allowing Evidence of Police Contacts
    with Daniel and Elias
    1.    Additional Background
    In a police interrogation on September 15, Elias denied being friends
    with Daniel and denied having any contact with him for years:
    30    The following is representative of the testimony on each of the six
    predicates:
    “Q: People’s 110, Fermin Barrera, case ending 213. There’s a certified
    change of plea for . . . section 245[, subdivision] (a)(1), assault with a deadly
    weapon. Is this a case that you’re also familiar with?
    “A: Yes, it is.
    “Q: . . . [B]ased on your knowledge of this case and Mr. Barrera, is
    Mr. Barrera a Center Street gang member?
    “A: Yes, he is.”
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    “[Q]: . . . [Y]ou know Daniel[,] right?
    “[A]: Daniel? [¶] . . . [¶] What Daniel?
    “[Q]: Daniel Ramos.
    “[A]: Mmm I went to school with him. . . . [¶] . . . [¶] . . . I
    don’t talk to him. . . . [¶] . . . [¶] It’s been a couple years
    bro.
    “[Q]: A couple years?
    “[A]: Yeah. [¶] . . . [¶]
    “[Q]: Okay. Um, so in my opinion a couple years is two
    years. Is that what you think a couple is[,] two?
    “[A]: Mmm I don’t know man[,] more. Just don’t even hang
    out no more.
    “[Q]: So it’s been more than two years? So you’re saying
    it’s been what[,] three years? Four years?
    “[A]: Oh yeah, about that.
    “[Q]: Give me a number.
    “[A]: Probably three. [¶] . . . [¶]
    “[Q]: Do you know the name Kieto?
    “[A]: No.”
    Before trial, the prosecutor asserted that evidence of police contacts
    with Daniel and Elias was “relevant especially since they both say that they
    haven’t seen or talked to each other for quite a number of years . . . .”
    However, the court cautioned not to “have a whole lot of officers traipsing in
    here individually saying, ‘I contacted him here with this person’ . . . .” The
    prosecutor assured the court, “I don’t plan to bring in the 20 or so witnesses
    who are on my witness list for FI [field interview] purposes only.”
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    Consistent with this ruling: (1) Officer Wilson testified that he
    conducted a traffic stop on July 10, 2012 in the Center Street area. Elias was
    driving and Daniel was a passenger. (2) Lieutenant Valdovinos testified that
    on June 5, 2015, he conducted a traffic stop in the Center Street area of a
    vehicle in which Daniel and Elias were both passengers. In the rear seat
    with Elias was “Center Street gang paraphernalia”—a hat with a “C” on it.
    (3) Officer Weber testified that in four years working in the gang suppression
    unit, he had contacted Elias “hundreds of times.” Weber testified that on
    September 15, 2015, he conducted a traffic stop at about 10:00 p.m. in the
    Center Street area. After the vehicle pulled over, a passenger door opened
    and someone with a bandanna covering his face and wearing dark clothing
    ran hunched over “as if they had a big weight in their waistband,” indicative
    of someone carrying a weapon. Officer Weber “thought it was Elias Ramos.”
    Daniel was in the backseat. The person who fled was never caught; however,
    police found a bandanna in the backseat near where Daniel had been sitting.
    (4) Officer Flores testified that on June 22, 2015, he saw Elias with Daniel
    and a third person in the Center Street area. Next to Elias was a hat with a
    “C,” indicating Center Street gang membership. Elias claimed to have
    “found” the hat. On cross-examination, the officer testified that he saw Elias
    in November 2014, but not with Daniel, and he had no information with him
    about Elias and Daniel being together in 2016.
    2.    No Error As to Three of the Four Contacts
    Daniel contends that Officer Weber’s testimony that Elias ran from a
    vehicle wearing a bandanna and carrying a gun should have been excluded as
    being “highly prejudicial” and remote in time. We disagree. The incident
    occurred only one year before the charged offenses and therefore is relevant
    to the defendants’ association with each other, as well as contradicting Elias’s
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    claim that he had not seen Daniel since 2013. Moreover, as the People
    asserted in their trial brief, in “Blue, That’s How We Do It,” Elias sings about
    fleeing from police because he is “ ‘rolling’ ‘hot’ ”—i.e., having a weapon in a
    vehicle. Officer Weber’s testimony was relevant to show Elias’s lyrics depict
    actual events.
    In a related argument, Daniel contends that he never lied to police
    about his association with Elias. Therefore, he claims, evidence police had
    seen him with Elias, even if admissible to contradict Elias’s statements, were
    not impeaching as to Daniel. However, the evidence was independently
    relevant to show close association between the codefendants and, therefore,
    identity.
    3.      Allowing Evidence of the 2012 Contact is Error, but Harmless
    Daniel contends the trial court abused its discretion in allowing Officer
    Wilson’s testimony because “[t]here is no probative value in a contact that
    occurred over four years before the murder.” We agree. Evidence that Daniel
    and Elias were seen together in July 2012 does not logically tend to show that
    they together committed the instant offenses in September 2016. Moreover,
    the evidence does not impeach Elias’s assertion that he had not seen Daniel
    since 2013.
    However, under any standard, this error is harmless. Daniel’s
    confession and incriminating statements were, as defense counsel said in
    closing argument, “the crown jewel of the People’s case.” The record leaves
    no reasonable doubt that the jury found defendants guilty on that basis and
    not because the jury learned that Daniel and Elias were together in 2012.
    H.    There Was No Improper Character Evidence, and No Sanchez Error—
    and Even If There Were—There Was No Prejudice
    Olsen testified that he reviewed (1) “a gang documentation record of
    specific instances where Daniel . . . has been contacted with other Center
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    Street gang members”; and (2) “police reports historically that have talked
    about Daniel . . . within Center Street.” These documents were part of the
    foundation for his opinion that Daniel is a Center Street gang member.
    Citing Evidence Code section 1101, Daniel contends this “unnecessary
    character assassination” by “improper character evidence” violated his right
    to a jury trial and to due process.31 However, Daniel forfeited this issue
    because trial counsel did not object on these grounds. (People v. Medina
    (1995) 
    11 Cal.4th 694
    , 729 [forfeiture for failure to object under Evid. Code,
    § 1101].) Anticipating that we might find forfeiture, alternatively Daniel
    asserts that counsel rendered constitutionally ineffective assistance by not
    objecting.
    Daniel’s ineffective assistance claim fails because he cannot establish
    prejudice. (Strickland v. Washington (1984) 
    466 U.S. 668
    , 697 [if “it is easier
    to dispose of an ineffectiveness claim on the ground of lack of sufficient
    prejudice, . . . that course should be followed”].) Olsen did not “assassinat[e]”
    Daniel’s character by testifying about Daniel’s police contacts. Daniel quite
    effectively did that himself when he justified his killing Annebell by telling
    her cousin, “Shit happens, fool.”
    Citing Sanchez, 
    supra,
     
    63 Cal.4th 665
    , Daniel further contends that
    Olsen’s testimony about his “gang documentation record” was improper “case-
    specific testimonial hearsay, violating the confrontation clause.”
    In Sanchez, 
    supra,
     
    63 Cal.4th 665
    , the California Supreme Court “held
    that, when any expert relates to the jury case-specific, out-of-court
    statements and treats the content of those statements as true to support the
    31    “Evidence Code section 1101 generally prohibits the introduction of
    character evidence to prove a defendant’s propensity to commit conduct on a
    specific occasion.” (People v. Escudero (2010) 
    183 Cal.App.4th 302
    , 309.)
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    expert’s opinion, the statements are hearsay and must either fall within a
    hearsay exception or be independently proven by competent evidence.
    [Citation.] Further, if the case is one in which a prosecution expert seeks to
    relate testimonial hearsay, there is a violation of the confrontation clause
    unless the witness testifies at trial or is unavailable and the defendant had a
    prior opportunity to cross-examine the witness.” (People v. Garcia (2020)
    
    46 Cal.App.5th 123
    , 166 (Garcia).)
    “ ‘Since Sanchez, California appellate courts have held that expert
    testimony about “the general attributes of the . . . gang, such as the gang’s
    culture, the importance placed on reputation and guns, . . . the gang’s rivals
    and claimed turf, the use of monikers and identifying symbols, and the like,
    [are] permissible as expert background testimony.” ’ [Citation.] A gang
    expert may testify about the history and founding of a particular gang, even
    if the sources of the information are hearsay.” (Garcia, supra, 46 Cal.App.5th
    at p. 167.) However, “an expert may not relate case-specific testimonial
    hearsay, such as information contained in police reports authored by other
    officers. [Citations.] [¶] A gang expert who has personal knowledge of the
    facts and is subject to cross-examination at trial may testify to facts
    contained in documents that would otherwise be considered testimonial
    hearsay, such as field identification cards. [Citation.] Testimony by an
    officer about personal observations made by that officer, such as of an
    individual’s tattoos, location, companions, or clothing, are not hearsay and
    thus do not run afoul of the confrontation clause.” (Ibid.)
    Daniel is correct that Olsen’s testimony was based on case-specific
    hearsay to the extent Olsen relied on Daniel’s “gang documentation record”
    and the “police reports” linking him to Center Street. However, as explained
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    below, there was no error in admitting Olsen’s expert opinion because it was
    also based on proper nonhearsay evidence.
    Olsen patrolled Oceanside gang territories and interviewed witnesses,
    victims, and suspects of Hispanic gang violence.32 He talked with gang
    members “regularly” and had “personally contacted” Daniel and Elias. In
    forming his opinions, Olsen listened to portions of Daniel’s recorded
    conversation with the CI, as well as some of Daniel’s recorded jail telephone
    calls.
    Thus, the foundation for Olsen’s expert opinion was a combination of
    (1) inadmissible hearsay of contacts by other officers; (2) admissible evidence
    of Olsen’s personal contacts; and (3) admissible evidence (falling within
    hearsay exceptions for party admissions and declarations against penal
    interest) of Daniel’s statements to the CI.
    After laying this foundation, the prosecutor asked Olsen, “Based on
    your knowledge of Daniel Ramos, do you believe him to be a Center Street
    gang member?” (Italics added.) Olsen testified, “Yes, I do.”
    In this usage, “knowledge” is ambiguous. It could reasonably be
    construed to mean Olsen’s personal knowledge and admissible hearsay. But
    it could also reasonably be interpreted to mean knowledge derived, at least in
    part, from inadmissible evidence. Because there was no contemporaneous
    objection, we cannot determine what Olsen understood “knowledge” to mean.
    Where, as here, “the record is unclear about the basis of a witness’s
    testimony, and the appellant did not seek at trial to develop the record,
    reviewing courts will not presume a violation of the confrontation clause.”
    32    Olsen explained that “[g]angs are kind of designated by race,” two
    detectives are designated to investigate all Hispanic gangs, and his
    specialization includes the Center Street and Posole areas of Oceanside.
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    (Garcia, supra, 46 Cal.App.5th at p. 167.) Accordingly, we conclude there
    was no Sanchez error.
    In any event, even assuming there is error, it is harmless. When the CI
    entered the cell, Daniel spontaneously introduced himself saying, “I’m Kieto,
    Center Street gang.” Given Daniel’s self-identification, evidence of police
    contacts with Daniel could not have affected the verdicts.
    I.    The Trial Court Erred in Allowing Expert Opinion on Truthfulness;
    However, the Issue Is Forfeited and, in Any Event, the Error Was
    Harmless
    Olsen testified that surreptitiously recorded conversations between
    gang members reveal the truth because “you get them in their most genuine
    state as a gang member.” Without objection or motion to strike, Olsen added,
    “I mean you’re hearing the truth right there.” Citing People v. Sergill (1982)
    
    138 Cal.App.3d 34
     (Sergill), Daniel contends an expert may not opine on
    credibility. We agree; however, the error was not prejudicial.
    In Sergill, police officers interviewed a child who had allegedly been
    sexually abused. The trial court permitted the officers to testify that they
    believed that the child was being truthful when interviewed. (Sergill, supra,
    138 Cal.App.3d at p. 38.) The Court of Appeal held this evidence was
    inadmissible, stating:
    “We find no authority to support the proposition that the
    veracity of those who report crimes to the police is a matter
    sufficiently beyond common experience to require the
    testimony of an expert. Moreover, even if this were a
    proper subject for expert testimony, nothing in this record
    establishes the qualifications of these officers as experts.
    The mere fact that they had taken numerous reports
    during their careers does not qualify them as experts in
    judging truthfulness.” (Id. at p. 39.)
    Sergill also holds that such evidence is not admissible as lay opinion.
    (Sergill, supra, 138 Cal.App.3d at p. 40.)
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    Daniel is correct that Olsen’s statement—“I mean you’re hearing the
    truth right there”—is inadmissible. Like the officers testifying in Sergill, the
    police detective here was not qualified to testify as an expert on any witness’s
    truthfulness or credibility. (Sergill, supra, 138 Cal.App.3d at p. 39.)
    However, defense counsel did not object on this ground and, therefore, the
    point is forfeited. (People v. Dowl (2013) 
    57 Cal.4th 1079
    , 1082.)
    Anticipating that a direct challenge would be forfeited, Daniel contends
    his attorney was prejudicially ineffective for failing to object. “When
    challenging a conviction on grounds of ineffective assistance, the defendant
    must demonstrate counsel’s inadequacy. To satisfy this burden, the
    defendant must first show counsel’s performance was deficient, in that it fell
    below an objective standard of reasonableness under prevailing professional
    norms. Second, the defendant must show resulting prejudice, i.e., a
    reasonable probability that, but for counsel’s deficient performance, the
    outcome of the proceeding would have been different. When examining an
    ineffective assistance claim, a reviewing court defers to counsel’s reasonable
    tactical decisions, and there is a presumption counsel acted within the wide
    range of reasonable professional assistance. It is particularly difficult to
    prevail on an appellate claim of ineffective assistance. On direct appeal, a
    conviction will be reversed for ineffective assistance only if (1) the record
    affirmatively discloses counsel had no rational tactical purpose for the
    challenged act or omission, (2) counsel was asked for a reason and failed to
    provide one, or (3) there simply could be no satisfactory explanation. All
    other claims of ineffective assistance are more appropriately resolved in a
    habeas corpus proceeding.” (People v. Mai (2013) 
    57 Cal.4th 986
    , 1009.)
    Daniel has not established that counsel’s failure to object was
    constitutionally deficient. Olsen’s testimony—“you’re hearing the truth”
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    when eavesdropping—is common human experience. The tendency of people
    to speak truthfully in that setting is precisely why police surreptitiously
    record jail phone calls and use undercover jail informants. Trial counsel may
    have reasonably determined that Daniel’s interests were best served by
    letting the point pass without emphasizing it by objecting. (People v. Kelly
    (1992) 
    1 Cal.4th 495
    , 540 [“An attorney may choose not to object for many
    reasons, and the failure to object rarely establishes ineffectiveness of
    counsel.”]; see People v. Milner (1988) 
    45 Cal.3d 227
    , 245 [finding no
    ineffective assistance of counsel where even if the prosecutor’s statements
    were improper, counsel would have acted within the bounds of reasonable
    competence by ignoring the statements rather than drawing attention to
    them by objecting], overruled on other grounds in Sanchez, 
    supra,
     63 Cal.4th
    at p. 686, fn. 13.)
    Even assuming that counsel’s failure to object was constitutionally
    deficient, Daniel’s claim independently fails because there is no conceivable
    prejudice. Olsen’s point reflects common sense. Moreover, the trial court
    instructed jurors with CALCRIM No. 105, stating in part: “You alone must
    judge the credibility or believability of the witnesses. In deciding whether
    testimony is true and accurate, use your common sense and experience.” The
    court also gave CALCRIM No. 332: “Witnesses were allowed to testify as
    experts and to give opinions. You must consider the opinions, but you are not
    required to accept them as true or correct. The meaning and importance of
    any opinion are for you to decide. . . . You may disregard any opinion that
    you find unbelievable, unreasonable, or unsupported by the evidence.” The
    court instructed jurors to reach their own conclusions as to whether the
    recorded conversations were credible. We presume jurors follow the court’s
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    instructions (People v. Holt (1997) 
    15 Cal.4th 619
    , 662), and Daniel cites
    nothing in the record indicating otherwise.
    J.    The Trial Court Did Not Abuse Its Discretion in Allowing Evidence of
    Elias’s Chat Messages
    1.    Additional Background
    Erik Ellgard, an Oceanside police detective with experience in gang
    suppression, identified a photograph of Center Street gang member Brian
    Arroyo that police found on Elias’s phone. Ellgard identified another
    photograph depicting Elias with a revolver. Elias saved the photograph to
    his phone on September 11 (eight days after the shooting). Within a few
    hours, Arroyo sent a Facebook message to Elias stating, “Yo, what up? Bring
    my thing up.”
    Ellgard testified, “So being that it was only two and a half hours after
    that picture was saved to his phone, he’s saying, ‘yo, bring that thing up,’ so
    in my opinion ‘that thing’ was that firearm that he was . . . [wearing] in his
    waistband in that picture.” Ellgard added that when gang members
    communicate with each other on social media, they “never” use words like
    “firearm and gun.” Ellgard testified that in his experience, gang members
    say “bring my thing,” meaning to bring a “gun or firearm.”
    2.    Hearsay Issue Forfeited
    Daniel contends that Ellgard’s testimony about the chat is inadmissible
    hearsay. Although Daniel concedes that trial counsel did not object, he
    contends the omission should be excused because an objection “would have
    been futile,” or alternatively, that counsel’s failure to object constituted
    ineffective assistance.
    The issue is forfeited for lack of objection. (People v. Stevens (2015)
    
    62 Cal.4th 325
    , 333.) Moreover, there is no basis for determining that an
    objection would have been futile. In arguing futility, Daniel points to hearsay
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    objections made and overruled earlier during Ellgard’s testimony. For
    example, Ellgard testified that Arroyo sent a message to Elias on
    September 3 (the day of the shooting) at 5:37 a.m. stating, “Hey, where you
    at?” The court overruled a hearsay objection on the grounds that the
    evidence was admissible for a nonhearsay purpose—“to see what the
    response would be or if there is a response.” Ellgard also testified about
    another message from Arroyo to Elias on the same date stating, “Hey, where
    you at, Azul[ ].” Again the court overruled a hearsay objection on the grounds
    that the evidence was admissible for the nonhearsay purpose of “whether or
    not there’s a response and who it’s directed to.”
    Daniel contends that because the court overruled these two hearsay
    objections, it would have been futile to object again when the prosecutor
    asked Ellgard about the message, “Yo, . . . [b]ring my thing up.” However,
    Daniel’s argument overlooks a key distinction. Elias told police that when
    Annebell was shot, he was sleeping with his girlfriend at his house. The two
    chat messages Arroyo sent on the date of the shooting, one of which was in
    the early morning hours, are relevant for the nonhearsay purpose of showing
    whether Elias responded at a time when he claimed to police he was asleep.
    In contrast, and as Daniel concedes, “Yo, . . . [b]ring my thing up” was
    offered for the truth of the matter asserted—i.e., Elias had Arroyo’s gun (or
    the gang’s gun). Accordingly, that the court overruled previous hearsay
    objections because that evidence was not offered for a hearsay purpose would
    not have made a hearsay objection here futile—this evidence was offered for
    the truth of the matter asserted.
    Daniel’s claim of ineffective assistance fails because there could have
    been no prejudice. The gist of Ellgard’s hearsay testimony was that Elias
    possessed a revolver close in time to the shooting. However, the jury heard
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    much more pointed evidence when Daniel confessed to killing Annebell with
    a revolver.
    K.    There Was No Prejudicial Prosecutorial Misconduct
    Daniel contends the prosecutor committed misconduct by “[1] using a
    flawed and misleading analogy to explain premeditation and deliberation,
    [2] appealing to the jurors’ passions and sympathy, [3] misstating the
    evidence, and [4] improper vouching.” Elias separately asserts that the
    prosecutor “committed misconduct” by misstating the law in telling the jury
    that it “need only find that Daniel premeditated and deliberated the crimes
    for the allegation to be found true for both defendants.”
    1.      The Prosecutor’s Analogy to Explain Premeditation and
    Deliberation Was Not Improper
    In closing argument, the prosecutor explained premeditation and
    deliberation by analogy to a driver confronted with a yellow traffic light,
    stating:
    “Deliberate, a considered choice. Should this person live?
    Should this person die? This person should die. [¶] And
    premeditated is just beforehand. That’s all it is. It’s that
    simple. [¶] And as the instructions the judge read you will
    say, that cold, calculated decision can be reached quickly.
    The test is the extent of reflection, not the length of time.
    “Premeditation, deliberation, willful is something—you’ve
    done it on your way over here if you drove here. You’ve
    done it in your lives if you’ve seen a yellow light. Should I
    stop? Should I go through the intersection; right?
    “You think about it. You consider it. You deliberate. It’s a
    quick decision, but you made that decision ahead of time,
    and you took either—whatever the right choice happens to
    be, go through or stop; right?”
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    Daniel contends the prosecutor misstated the law because “telling the
    jury deliberation and premeditation is like driving through a yellow light is
    at odds with the very meaning of those words.”
    “ ‘[T]o establish reversible prosecutorial misconduct a defendant must
    show that the prosecutor used “ ‘deceptive or reprehensible methods’ ” and
    that it is reasonably probable that, without such misconduct, an outcome
    more favorable to the defendant would have resulted. [Citation.] A
    prosecutor’s misconduct violates the federal Constitution if the behavior is
    “ ‘ “ ‘ “ ‘ “so egregious that it infects the trial with such unfairness as to make
    the conviction a denial of due process.” ’ ” ’ ” ’ ” [Citation.] A prosecutor has
    wide latitude during closing argument to make assertions of common
    knowledge or use illustrations based on common experience. [Citations.] But
    in relating the jury’s task to a more common experience, the prosecutor “must
    not imply that the task is less rigorous than the law requires.” [Citation].’ ”
    (People v. Wang (2020) 
    46 Cal.App.5th 1055
    , 1085 (Wang).)
    “ ‘When attacking the prosecutor’s remarks to the jury, the defendant
    must show that, “[i]n the context of the whole argument and the instructions”
    [citation], there was “a reasonable likelihood the jury understood or applied
    the complained-of comments in an improper or erroneous manner.
    [Citations.] In conducting this inquiry, we ‘do not lightly infer’ that the jury
    drew the most damaging rather than the least damaging meaning from the
    prosecutor’s statements.” ’ ” (Wang, supra, 46 Cal.App.5th at p. 1085.)
    Daniel’s argument fails for two reasons. First, trial counsel did not
    object. “To preserve a claim of prosecutorial misconduct on appeal, ‘ “a
    criminal defendant must make a timely and specific objection and ask the
    trial court to admonish the jury to disregard the impropriety.” ’ ” (Fayed,
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    supra, 9 Cal.5th at p. 204.)33 Where there is no objection, the claimed
    misconduct may be reviewed, but only if an objection would have been futile
    or if an admonition would not have cured the harm. (Ibid.) Neither
    exception existing here, Daniel has forfeited the issue.
    Moreover, the analogy was not improper. The prosecutor in Wang,
    supra, 
    46 Cal.App.5th 1055
     used a nearly identical analogy, stating:
    “ ‘You have a decision to make, “do I step on the accelerator
    and fly through this intersection because I can’t wait, or do
    I slam on my brakes and stop?” You have to decide, and
    when you’re making that decision—do I go or do I stop—
    you’re evaluating things. “If I go, are there pedestrians? Is
    there a cop around? Am I going to get a ticket? Is there a
    car that’s going to pull out in front of me and cause an
    accident? If I slam on my brakes, am I going to end up in
    the middle of the intersection, or do I have enough space to
    stop? Am I going to be okay?” [¶] You may not verbally
    say this to yourself. That’s crazy. No one is going to be
    driving going, “Okay. Should I stop? Should I not? I don’t
    know. Let’s think.” No. This happens so quickly. It
    happens so quickly, but in your mind, you quickly evaluate
    those things, and you decide and you act. That is
    premeditation and deliberation. It can happen that fast.
    You just have to consider the consequences. You just have
    to weigh the pros and cons, things for and against it, and
    decide to act. That’s what premeditation and
    deliberation . . . is.’ ” (Wang, at p. 1084.)
    33    Daniel further asserts that even if forfeited, we should exercise
    discretion to consider the issue because “the misconduct implicates Daniel’s
    constitutional rights,” failing to object can be excused in a “closely balanced”
    case where the misconduct “contributed to the verdict,” an objection would
    have been “futile[ ] and an admonition would have been insufficient to cure
    the harm,” and counsel was ineffective for failing to object. Because the
    prosecutor’s explanation of premeditation and deliberation was not
    misconduct or error, it is unnecessary to address these subsidiary claims.
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    Wang held that this analogy is “consistent with the law.” (Wang,
    supra, 46 Cal.App.5th at p. 1085.) The appellate court noted that in People v.
    Avila (2009) 
    46 Cal.4th 680
     (Avila), the California Supreme Court rejected a
    misconduct claim where the prosecutor used a similar analogy. (Wang, at
    p. 1086.)
    Attempting to distinguish Avila, 
    supra,
     
    46 Cal.4th 680
    , Daniel contends
    that the prosecutor there emphasized that deciding to kill is only “similar” to
    deciding whether to drive through a yellow light, whereas here the prosecutor
    “made no similar disclaimer.” However, the prosecutor did not equate the
    gravity of deciding to kill with deciding whether to drive through a yellow
    light. Rather, he used the illustration to show that a quickly made decision
    may still involve deliberation. Moreover, here the prosecutor’s closing
    argument also included a list of Daniel’s and Elias’s deliberate and
    premeditated acts: “You wear masks. . . . You go to a place you shouldn’t be,
    rival gang territory. You’re armed.” Accordingly, given the prosecutor’s
    emphasis on the amount of reflection that occurred before the shooting, there
    is no reasonable likelihood the jury construed the traffic light illustration in
    an improper or erroneous manner. (Wang, supra, 46 Cal.App.5th at p. 1086.)
    2.       The Prosecutor Erred in Appealing to Jury Sympathy and Stating
    Facts Not in Evidence; However, the Error Was Not Prejudicial
    Daniel contends the prosecutor committed misconduct by appealing to
    the jury’s sympathy and passions, and by referring to facts not in evidence by
    telling jurors to view events through Annebell’s perspective:
    “I put Annebell’s picture up. Why? Because we spent so
    much time, so much of the time, talking about these two
    defendants, who they are and what they did, we sometimes
    lose sight of the reality.
    “The reality is because of their violent ways, they left
    Annebell in a crawl tube, in a kid’s crawl tube, to die.
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    “We forget from her perspective, because she’s not here to
    tell us, what? The last thing she saw, the same two guys
    we’ve been looking at for the last week.
    “She sat there on the edge of a crawl tube on that jungle
    gym. She looked over. What a terrifying thing to see:
    These guys masked up in bandannas armed getting ready
    to kill her.
    “She did what she could. She was trapped. She was
    vulnerable. She’s stuck. [¶] You’ve seen the jungle gym.
    [¶] She was caged in almost, and she did the best thing,
    the most logical thing she could do. She jumped into the
    crawl tube and she laid down, a kid’s crawl tube, a little
    green space where kids run in and out every day.” (Italics
    added.)
    “Although a prosecutor may vigorously argue the case, appeals to
    sympathy for the victim during an objective determination of guilt fall
    outside the bounds of vigorous argument.” (People v. Amezcua and Flores
    (2019) 
    6 Cal.5th 886
    , 920 (Amezcua and Flores).) Accordingly, “ ‘[a]s a
    general rule, a prosecutor may not invite the jury to view the case through
    the victim’s eyes, because to do so appeals to the jury’s sympathy for the
    victim.’ ” (Fayed, supra, 9 Cal.5th at p. 205.)
    For example, in People v. Seumanu (2015) 
    61 Cal.4th 1293
     (Seumanu),
    in closing argument the prosecutor stated, “ ‘Imagine begging for your life,
    begging to be let go, being held captive at the end of a shotgun by these four
    frightening men, and they get mad at you because you only have a little
    cash,’ ” and “ ‘Imagine trying to save your own life, giving them the most you
    can give them, and you are being called a liar and having a gun pointed at
    you.’ ” (Id. at pp. 1343-1344.) The California Supreme Court held that the
    prosecutor’s argument “improperly asked the jury to view the crime through
    [the victim’s] eyes.” (Id. at p. 1344.)
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    Similarly here, the prosecutor asked the jury to consider the case from
    Annebell’s “perspective.” Like the prosecutor in Seumanu, supra, 
    61 Cal.4th 1293
    , the prosecutor asked jurors to put themselves in the victim’s shoes:
    “What a terrifying thing to see: These guys masked up in bandannas armed
    getting ready to kill her.” “[A]sking jurors to ‘imagine the thoughts of the
    victims in their last seconds of life’ is rarely a relevant inquiry at the guilt
    phase.” (Fayed, supra, 9 Cal.5th at p. 205.)
    Nevertheless, defendants failed to object to the prosecutor’s remarks.
    The claim is forfeited. (People v. Hinton (2006) 
    37 Cal.4th 839
    , 863.)
    Framing the argument as ineffective assistance of counsel (by failing to
    object) is also unavailing. In light of Daniel’s confession that he killed
    Annebell with a .22-caliber handgun, the error is harmless. (Fayed, supra,
    9 Cal.5th at p. 205; People v. Young (2019) 
    7 Cal.5th 905
    , 933 [finding “no
    reasonable probability that the prosecutor’s fleeting remark had any effect on
    the jury, particularly given the overwhelming evidence of defendant’s guilt”];
    Seumanu, 
    supra,
     61 Cal.4th at p. 1344 [finding the misconduct harmless
    because of “strong evidence” of guilt]; People v. Leonard (2007) 
    40 Cal.4th 1370
    , 1407 [same].) “Based on that want of prejudice, defendants’ claim of
    ineffective assistance of counsel in failing to object to the remarks lacks
    merit.” (Amezcua and Flores, 
    supra,
     6 Cal.5th at p. 920.)
    Daniel further contends the prosecutor improperly made “inflammatory
    arguments ‘aimed at arousing the passion or prejudice of the jury’ ” by asking
    the jury to “ ‘hold [Daniel and Elias] responsible for the murder and
    attempted murder that they committed’ ” and stating that there was “ ‘poetic
    justice’ ” in returning a verdict that means, “ ‘we know what you did and
    we’re not going to let you get away with it, because you know what? Center
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    Street might have been more important to you than Annebell’s life, but that’s
    not right.’ ”
    However, this too is forfeited by failing to object. In any event, the
    argument lacks merit. Although it is improper for a prosecutor to make
    emotional arguments and use “ ‘ “inflammatory rhetoric” ’ ” (People v. Redd
    (2010) 
    48 Cal.4th 691
    , 742-743), urging jurors to hold defendants responsible
    for their conduct is neither emotional nor inflammatory. As long as the
    prosecutor does not urge the jury to render a verdict based on community
    sentiment or some other matter unrelated to the evidence, the prosecutor
    may generally comment on the danger to the community created by criminal
    conduct and remind the jury of its important role in the criminal justice
    system. (See People v. Adanandus (2007) 
    157 Cal.App.4th 496
    , 513
    [collecting cases, no misconduct where prosecutor urged the jury to do “the
    right thing” and “to make a statement”].)
    3.        The Prosecutor Did Not Misstate Evidence
    A prosecutor commits misconduct by arguing facts not in evidence
    during closing argument “ ‘because such statements “tend[ ] to make the
    prosecutor his own witness—offering unsworn testimony not subject to cross-
    examination. It has been recognized that such testimony, ‘although
    worthless as a matter of law, can be “dynamite” to the jury because of the
    special regard the jury has for the prosecutor, thereby effectively
    circumventing the rules of evidence.’ ” ’ ” (People v. Rodriguez (2020)
    
    9 Cal.5th 474
    , 480.)
    a.   The Prosecutor Did Not Misstate Evidence of Julye’s
    Identification
    In closing argument, the prosecutor told the jury that “at one point”
    Julye identified Kieto and “a shorter guy” as the shooters:
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    “Julye doesn’t want to talk to police. He doesn’t like the
    police. We know what his attitude is towards the police.
    That’s the code he lives by, the rules he lives by within
    Posole.
    “He does during one of the interviews. And coincidentally
    in July of last year, sign this and agrees that Kieto to the
    extent he saw Kieto—cause at one point he says he saw his
    face and then he saw—he said he saw part of his face,
    enough to say it was Kiets or Kieto. There was a shorter
    guy with him right beside him. Annebell was right in the
    center there and he was in this area somewhere. [¶] He
    committed to that.”
    Although defense counsel did not object, on appeal Daniel contends the
    prosecutor misstated evidence because “Julye testified he did not think he
    said those things or did not remember” and Julye “never ‘committed’ that he
    identified Kieto during the interview.” To avoid forfeiture by failing to object,
    Daniel contends counsel rendered ineffective assistance.
    Daniel is correct that at trial, Julye retracted his statements
    implicating Daniel and Elias, and claimed, “I just made all that up.”
    However, here the prosecutor was not referring to Julye’s trial testimony.
    Rather, he was referring to Julye’s recorded jail conversation with JoJo,
    which is in evidence. In that conversation, Julye said that Daniel pulled
    down his bandanna, and Julye saw his face and recognized him as Kieto, i.e.,
    Daniel. Julye also said that Kieto had “a little snub,” a revolver, and that
    Daniel was with “the short fool,” i.e., Elias.34
    The prosecutor did not misstate the evidence because he prefaced these
    remarks by saying, “at one point . . . .” At one point—i.e., in his recorded
    34    The prosecutor told the jury, “ ‘Shorter guy’ is not much; right? But
    when Kieto . . . is only about 5’6 or 5’7, ‘shorter guy’ means something; right?
    How many other gangsters are running around doing violent things who are
    shorter than that?” Elias stands five feet, four inches tall.
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    conversation with JoJo—Julye said he saw Daniel’s face. Moreover, in
    stating that Julye had “committed” himself to this identification, the
    prosecutor was drawing the reasonable inference that when making these
    statements, Julye had no motive to lie. The argument was a fair comment on
    the evidence and whether the inference was reasonable was for the jury to
    decide. (People v. Dennis (1998) 
    17 Cal.4th 468
    , 522.)
    b.     The Prosecutor’s Rebuttal Argument Did Not Misstate
    Evidence of the CI’s Experience
    In closing, defense counsel characterized the CI as being “very
    experienced” and “knows how to put these youngsters in their place to make
    him get respect.” Addressing this point in rebuttal, the prosecutor stated,
    “Experienced CI. [¶] This was the CI’s first time doing this, if you recall. . . .
    [¶] This was—he’s done others since, but this was the first time.” For the
    first time on appeal, Daniel contends the prosecutor’s remarks misstate
    evidence because Garcia testified that the CI was paid about $40,000 between
    2015 and 2018 for other operations.
    Apart from the forfeiture that results from trial counsel’s failure to
    object, the argument also lacks merit. Daniel is correct that the CI had done
    other operations. However, the challenged portion of the prosecutor’s
    rebuttal argument is not clearly contradictory. The prosecutor said it was
    the CI’s “first time doing this.” (Italics added.) If “this” means an in-custody
    operation working with Garcia, the argument is consistent with this portion
    of Garcia’s testimony:
    “Q: And was this the very—the first time you and the CI
    had worked in an in-custody jail operation?
    “A: It’s the first time that we worked in an in-custody
    operation, yes, sir.”
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    Conversely, if by “this” the prosecutor meant covert operations in
    general, then it does misstate evidence. Because trial counsel did not object
    on these grounds, the prosecutor had no opportunity to clarify. “When
    attacking the prosecutor’s remarks to the jury, the defendant must show
    that, ‘[i]n the context of the whole argument and the instructions’ [citation],
    there was ‘a reasonable likelihood the jury understood or applied the
    complained-of comments in an improper or erroneous manner. [Citations.]
    In conducting this inquiry, we “do not lightly infer” that the jury drew the
    most damaging rather than the least damaging meaning from the
    prosecutor’s statements.’ ” (People v. Centeno (2014) 
    60 Cal.4th 659
    , 667
    (Centeno).)
    Mindful of this standard, we construe “first time doing this” to be
    consistent with Garcia’s testimony that it was “the first time that [they]
    worked in an in-custody operation” and, therefore, there was no misconduct.
    And even if there was misconduct, there is no conceivable prejudice. The jury
    heard the recorded conversation and could draw its own conclusions about
    whether the CI unduly manipulated Daniel to elicit certain responses.
    4.      The Prosecutor Did Not Vouch for Witnesses
    “It is misconduct for prosecutors to bolster their case ‘by invoking their
    personal prestige, reputation, or depth of experience, or the prestige or
    reputation of their office, in support of it.’ [Citation.] . . . The vice of such
    remarks is that they ‘may be understood by jurors to permit them to avoid
    independently assessing witness credibility and to rely on the government’s
    view of the evidence.’ ” (People v. Bonilla (2007) 
    41 Cal.4th 313
    , 336.)
    Daniel contends the prosecutor improperly vouched for witnesses’
    credibility by “repeatedly saying, ‘we know’ and ‘we see’ when discussing
    their testimony.” For example, in closing argument the prosecutor stated:
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    “Two guys, Daniel and Elias Ramos. We know them. We
    know who they are. We know what they did, why they did
    it. [¶] . . . [¶]
    “What did we see? We see them for who they really are.
    We see their faces. We know their names. We know what
    they did. [¶] . . . [¶]
    “We know who did [it]. [¶] . . . [¶]
    “Both premeditated this murder. [¶] And even if you feel
    that Daniel was the only one that premeditated the
    murder, this one interestingly enough doesn’t require both
    of them premeditate together. We know they did . . . .”
    In rebuttal, the prosecutor again used “we,” stating, “Now that we know all
    the evidence, they’re implicating each other.”
    The underlying premise of Daniel’s argument is that when the
    prosecutor used “we,” he meant (1) himself and the jurors; or (2) the office of
    the district attorney. Daniel asserts that by “repetitiously using ‘we’ . . . [the
    prosecutor] urged the jurors ‘to rely on the government’s view of the evidence’
    instead of independently assessing whether the crimes and allegations were
    proven beyond a reasonable doubt.”
    However, a more plausible and benign interpretation is that the
    prosecutor used “we” as a plural second person, referring only to the jury.
    For example, it is not uncommon for a server at a restaurant to greet diners
    by saying, “How are we doing over here?” The server obviously means, “How
    are you (plural) doing?” Similarly, it is not uncommon for someone to say to a
    small group, “Aren’t we looking great today?”—referring only to the group.
    Elsewhere in closing argument, the prosecutor used “we” in this sense, as a
    pronoun referring only to the jurors: “With your verdict, you’re going to say a
    couple things. You’re going to say we know what you did and we’re not going
    to let you get away with it . . . .” (Italics added.) The most reasonable
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    interpretation of the prosecutor’s use of “we” is therefore a reference to the
    jurors.
    Of course, if trial counsel had objected, the prosecutor could have
    clarified his intended meaning, thereby avoiding this entire issue—which is
    precisely why such challenges are forfeited on appeal by failing to object.
    Even if not forfeited, there is no misconduct. The prosecutor’s use of “we” is
    ambiguous at worst. We will not presume the jury drew the most damaging
    meaning. (See Centeno, 
    supra,
     60 Cal.4th at p. 667.) Daniel has not
    demonstrated a “ ‘ “reasonable likelihood the jury understood or applied the
    complained-of comments in an improper or erroneous manner.” ’ ” (People v.
    Shazier (2014) 
    60 Cal.4th 109
    , 144.)
    5.    The Prosecutor Did Not Misstate the Law Regarding
    Premeditated Attempted Murder
    “Attempted murder requires the specific intent to kill and the
    commission of a direct but ineffectual act toward accomplishing the intended
    killing.” (People v. Lee (2003) 
    31 Cal.4th 613
    , 623 (Lee).) “[U]nlike murder,
    attempted murder is not divided into degrees. The prosecution, though, can
    seek a special finding that the attempted murder was willful, deliberate, and
    premeditated, for purposes of a sentencing enhancement.” (People v. Mejia
    (2012) 
    211 Cal.App.4th 586
    , 605; see also § 664, subd. (a).)
    An aider and abettor is subject to this sentencing enhancement where
    the perpetrator attempted a willful, deliberate, and premeditated murder
    even though the accomplice did not personally deliberate or premeditate.
    (Lee, 
    supra,
     31 Cal.4th at pp. 624-625; People v. Favor (2012) 
    54 Cal.4th 868
    ,
    877-878.) The accomplice must still share the intent to kill. (Lee, at pp. 623-
    624.)
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    In closing argument, after discussing the premeditated murder
    charges, the prosecutor directed the jury’s attention to the attempted murder
    count and without objection stated:
    “Attempted murder. [¶] . . . [¶] Both are responsible for
    attempted murder of Julye R[.]
    “Once you find the gang allegation to be true, consider:
    Was this premeditated? The same definition we used for
    first degree murder . . . . Same rules here apply for
    attempted murder.
    “Both premeditated this murder.
    “And even if you feel that Daniel was the only one that
    premeditated the murder, [sic] this one interestingly
    enough doesn’t require [that] both of them premeditate
    together. We know they did, but that’s just a rule with this
    allegation.”
    Elias asserts that the prosecutor’s argument erroneously “conveyed
    that the jury need only find that Daniel premeditated and deliberated the
    crimes for the allegation to be found true for both defendants.” Elias further
    contends that if the issue is forfeited by trial counsel’s failure to object, we
    should nevertheless reach the merits on ineffective assistance of counsel
    grounds.
    The prosecutor did not misstate the law because when the argument is
    read in context, as it must be, it is clear the prosecutor was referring only to
    the attempted murder count. First, this argument immediately follows the
    prosecutor’s discussion of first degree murder. Marking a turning point and
    new topic, the prosecutor said, “Attempted murder.” Thus, the jury would
    reasonably understand the next assertions to pertain only to the attempted
    murder count. Second, in discussing attempted murder, the prosecutor drew
    the correct distinction, telling the jury that unlike the murder count he had
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    just discussed, “this one”—i.e., attempted murder—“interestingly enough
    doesn’t require [that] both of them premeditate together.”
    L.    No Cumulative Error
    Under the “cumulative error” doctrine, “ ‘a series of trial errors, though
    independently harmless, may in some circumstances rise by accretion to the
    level of reversible and prejudicial error.’ ” (People v. Abilez (2007) 
    41 Cal.4th 472
    , 523.) Daniel contends that when considered together, the “errors
    involving Daniel’s statements to the informant, coupled with the egregious
    prosecutorial misconduct and erroneous admission of the inflammatory
    evidence” denied him a fair trial.
    “There can be no cumulative error if the challenged rulings were not
    erroneous.” (People v. Sedillo (2015) 
    235 Cal.App.4th 1037
    , 1068.) As
    explained ante, the court did not err in allowing evidence of Daniel’s
    statements to the CI, nor was there any “egregious prosecutorial misconduct”
    or “erroneous admission of . . . inflammatory evidence.” As such, Daniel’s
    claim of cumulative error fails.
    Nevertheless, the trial court did err in erroneously admitting evidence
    that (1) Daniel and Elias were contacted by police in 2012; and (2) in Olsen’s
    opinion, gang members are truthful in surreptitiously recorded jail
    conversations. The prosecutor also erred in closing argument by asking
    jurors to view the case through Annebell’s eyes.
    Liberally construing Daniel’s cumulative error argument to include
    these errors, there is no cumulative prejudice. The two evidentiary errors are
    insignificant. That leaves the prosecutor’s improper argument urging jurors
    to stand in the victim’s shoes. That error is more troubling because it appeals
    to the jurors’ emotions. However, Daniel confessed to a deliberate and
    premeditated murder. He also named Elias as an aider and abettor. Daniel’s
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    confession and incriminating statements are so powerfully condemning,
    errors in this trial, even viewed cumulatively, were harmless under any
    applicable standard, even beyond a reasonable doubt. (See People v. Watson
    (1956) 
    46 Cal.2d 818
    , 836 (Watson) [error is reversible if there is a reasonable
    probability that a result more favorable to defendant would have been
    reached in absence of error]; Chapman v. California (1967) 
    386 U.S. 18
    , 26
    (Chapman) [where applicable, reversal is mandated unless the court finds the
    error was harmless beyond a reasonable doubt].)
    M.    The Judgment Is Supported by Substantial Evidence
    We next consider Elias’s challenge to the sufficiency of the evidence to
    support the verdict in two respects. Specifically, Elias contends the evidence
    is insufficient to support the jury’s findings that he aided and abetted murder
    and attempted murder and to support the jury’s true findings on the gang
    enhancements.
    1.    The Standard of Review
    In considering a challenge to the sufficiency of the evidence, we
    “ ‘ “review the whole record in the light most favorable to the judgment below
    to determine whether it discloses substantial evidence—that is, evidence
    which is reasonable, credible, and of solid value—such that a reasonable trier
    of fact could find the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.” ’ ” (People
    v. Suarez (2020) 
    10 Cal.5th 116
    , 168.) “We determine ‘whether, after viewing
    the evidence in the light most favorable to the prosecution, any rational trier
    of fact could have found the essential elements of the crime beyond a
    reasonable doubt.’ [Citation.] In so doing, a reviewing court ‘ “ ‘presumes in
    support of the judgment the existence of every fact the trier could reasonably
    deduce from the evidence.’ ” [Citation.]’ ” (People v. Morales (2020)
    
    10 Cal.5th 76
    , 88.) We “must accept the fact finder’s resolution of conflicting
    evidence; and [we] may not insert [our] own views regarding the credibility of
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    witnesses in place of the assessments conveyed by the judgment.”
    (Conservatorship of O.B. (2020) 
    9 Cal.5th 989
    , 1008.)
    2.     Substantial Evidence of Aiding and Abetting Premeditated
    Murder and Attempted Murder
    In challenging the sufficiency of the evidence to support a finding that
    he aided and abetted murder and attempted murder, Elias claims there was
    “no evidence [he] intended to kill anyone or knew that Daniel intended to kill
    someone, or did anything to facilitate the crimes.” Elias asserts, “There [is]
    no evidence [Elias] helped Daniel do anything.” (Italics added.)
    a.    Legal Principles, Aider and Abettor Culpability
    “Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being . . . with malice
    aforethought.” (§ 187, subd. (a).) If the murder is “willful, deliberate, and
    premeditated,” it is first degree murder. (§ 189, subd. (a).) “Attempted
    murder requires the specific intent to kill and the commission of a direct but
    ineffectual act toward accomplishing the intended killing.” (Lee, 
    supra,
    31 Cal.4th at p. 623.)
    For both murder and the sentencing enhancement for attempted
    murder, “ ‘ “ ‘premeditated’ means ‘considered beforehand,’ and ‘deliberate’
    means ‘formed or arrived at or determined upon as a result of careful thought
    and weighing of considerations for and against the proposed course of
    action.’ ” ’ [Citation.] ‘ “An intentional killing is premeditated and deliberate
    if it occurred as the result of preexisting thought and reflection rather than
    unconsidered or rash impulse.” ’ [Citations.] ‘The true test is not the
    duration of time as much as it is the extent of the reflection. Thoughts may
    follow each other with great rapidity and cold, calculated judgment may be
    arrived at quickly . . . .’ ” (Potts, supra, 6 Cal.5th at p. 1027; see also § 664,
    subd. (a) [defining “willful, deliberate, and premeditated murder” for the
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    purpose of the attempted murder sentencing enhancement by incorporating
    that concept from the crime of first degree murder in § 189].)
    “We normally consider three kinds of evidence to determine whether a
    finding of premeditation and deliberation is adequately supported—
    preexisting motive, planning activity, and manner of killing—but ‘[t]hese
    factors need not be present in any particular combination to find substantial
    evidence of premeditation and deliberation.’ [Citation.] If the evidence of
    preexisting motive and planning activity by itself is sufficient to support the
    first degree murder conviction on a theory of premeditation and deliberation,
    we need not review the evidence concerning the manner of killing.” (People v.
    Jennings (2010) 
    50 Cal.4th 616
    , 645-646.) “A first degree murder conviction
    will be upheld when there is extremely strong evidence of planning, or when
    there is evidence of motive with evidence of either planning or manner.”
    (People v. Romero (2008) 
    44 Cal.4th 386
    , 401.)
    “ ‘A “person aids and abets the commission of a crime when he or she,
    acting with (1) knowledge of the unlawful purpose of the perpetrator; and
    (2) the intent or purpose of committing, encouraging, or facilitating the
    commission of the offense, (3) by act or advice aids, promotes, encourages or
    instigates, the commission of the crime.” ’ ” (People v. Nguyen (2015)
    
    61 Cal.4th 1015
    , 1054 (Nguyen).) “Thus, proof of aider and abettor liability
    requires proof in three distinct areas: (a) the direct perpetrator’s actus
    reus—a crime committed by the direct perpetrator, (b) the aider and abettor’s
    mens rea—knowledge of the direct perpetrator’s unlawful intent and an
    intent to assist in achieving those unlawful ends, and (c) the aider and
    abettor’s actus reus—conduct by the aider and abettor that in fact assists the
    achievement of the crime.” (People v. Perez (2005) 
    35 Cal.4th 1219
    , 1225.)
    “[N]either presence at the scene of a crime nor knowledge of, but failure to
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    prevent it, is sufficient to establish aiding and abetting its commission.
    [Citations.] However, ‘[a]mong the factors which may be considered in
    making the determination of aiding and abetting are: presence at the scene
    of the crime, companionship, and conduct before and after the offense.’ ”
    (People v. Campbell (1994) 
    25 Cal.App.4th 402
    , 409.) Under the direct theory
    of aiding and abetting applied in this case, “the aider and abettor must know
    and share the murderous intent of the actual perpetrator.” (People v. McCoy
    (2001) 
    25 Cal.4th 1111
    , 1118.)
    b.    Analysis
    There is substantial evidence identifying Elias as the person with
    Daniel at the Park. Indeed, Daniel himself made that identification when
    speaking to the CI, identifying Elias as his “homie” known as “Blue.” Daniel
    told the CI that his homie drove them near the Park and was with him
    during the shooting. Daniel also told the CI that Elias is his “roll dog,”—i.e.,
    a fellow gang member in a close relationship, who commits crimes with him.
    Speaking of the shooting, Daniel said “everyone knows right there in my
    hood” that “it was me with my homie.” Julye also identified Elias, telling
    JoJo that the person next to Daniel was the “shorter guy.”
    There is substantial evidence that Elias knew Daniel’s unlawful intent
    to kill, intended to assist in such killing, and acted to assist in committing the
    crimes. In the weeks leading up to the shooting, Elias twice had his
    girlfriend drive him to the scene. The jury could reasonably infer that Elias
    was scouting the Park, planning entrance and exit routes. Daniel used a .22-
    caliber revolver. The jury could also infer that evidence linked Elias to that
    weapon both before and shortly after the shooting. A photograph on Elias’s
    phone shows him with a revolver in his waistband. About a week after the
    murder, a gang member asked Elias to return the revolver depicted in the
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    photograph. Moreover, a gun was brought to the Park. Bringing a gun
    makes it “ ‘ “reasonable to infer that [they] considered the possibility of
    homicide from the outset.” ’ ” (People v. Lee (2011) 
    51 Cal.4th 620
    , 636
    [carrying a loaded gun shows the defendant had considered the possibility of
    a violent encounter].)
    Moreover, Elias and Daniel traveled into rival gang territory to find
    victims. This too demonstrates planning. (See People v. Wright (1985)
    
    39 Cal.3d 576
    , 593 [evidence of planning where defendant actively looked for
    victim before shooting him].)
    Daniel and Elias each wore a bandanna over their faces. Donning a
    mask to hide one’s identity during a shooting shows premeditation and
    deliberation; it is inconsistent with acting rashly. (People v. Woods (1992)
    
    8 Cal.App.4th 1570
    , 1595 [mask was evidence of planning, showing murder
    was premeditated and deliberate]; People v. Anthony (2019) 
    32 Cal.App.5th 1102
    , 1146 [evidence to support first degree murder included that a group of
    gang members all wore masks “into the heart” of their rival gang’s territory].)
    Moreover, Elias had multiple opportunities to abandon the criminal
    venture and turn back. Elias might have turned back after exiting the car
    near the freeway on-ramp. He could have also stopped when he and Daniel
    were seen climbing the chain link fence. The jury could thus infer that only a
    person already resolute on the use of deadly force would have proceeded with
    the planned shooting. (See People v. Nazeri (2010) 
    187 Cal.App.4th 1101
    ,
    1116.)
    There is substantial evidence not only of motive, but of a motive that
    involves deliberation. Olsen testified that gang members gain respect by
    committing an act of violence for the gang’s benefit. Murdering a rival gang
    member achieves the highest form of such respect. Moreover, even if a gang
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    member such as Elias does not shoot, but is present and works with the other
    gang member to commit the murder, that will bolster his gang status “just
    the same.” This is substantial evidence not merely of Elias’s motive to kill,
    but the kind of motive that “ ‘would in turn support an inference that the
    killing was the result of “a pre-existing reflection” and “careful thought and
    weighing of considerations” rather than “mere unconsidered or rash impulse
    hastily executed.” ’ ” (People v. Boatman (2013) 
    221 Cal.App.4th 1253
    , 1268.)
    Moreover, when interviewed by police, Elias repeatedly lied, evidencing
    a consciousness of guilt. Elias denied being “Blue,” saying that he “never met
    him” but “heard he makes like songs and all that stuff that’s it.” He also
    denied knowing Daniel, stating that he “went to school with him. That’s
    about it” and “I don’t talk to him.” Elias denied knowing the name “Kieto”—
    even though Elias refers to Daniel as Kieto in social media and in rap. Elias
    also lied by telling police he was asleep at his home with his girlfriend, Linda,
    when Annebell was murdered. Police could never locate any such Linda, nor
    was contact information for a Linda in Elias’s phone. Although these lies, by
    themselves, are insufficient to prove guilt, when considered with other
    evidence, they show consciousness of guilt.
    Additionally, a rap video police found on Elias’s phone was dated
    August 28—about one week before the shooting. It provides further evidence
    of Elias’s intent to kill. In that song, “Blue, That’s How We Do It,” Elias
    states “it’s Center Street gang comin’ at you with the sickest, the realest
    about to kill it . . . aiming for the dome so you can fuckin’ die slow and you
    know how we do it up in Center Street fool. Shout out to Kieto, . . . really got
    enemies on the run . . . .” Additionally, reflecting a similarity to the crimes
    charged here, Elias raps, “You know how we ride. You know how we ride, it’s
    time to fuckin’ ride. Let’s go to the other side where all the fools they hidin’
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    where the fuck you at?” In another rap, Elias used a derogatory term for
    Posole gang members and sang that he would “crack [shoot] them on sight.”
    There is substantial evidence supporting a determination that unlike
    commercial rap, Elias’s rap depicted his criminal intent. The gang expert
    testified that gang members use rap as a personal diary.
    Citing People v. Rodriguez (1986) 
    42 Cal.3d 730
    , Elias contends his
    “mere presence and inaction at the scene” is insufficient to convict as an aider
    and abettor. Relying on Juan H. v. Allen (9th Cir. 2005) 
    408 F.3d 1262
    , Elias
    further contends “[i]t is not enough for the prosecution to demonstrate [the
    defendant] knew criminal activity was afoot” and “[t]here [is] no evidence
    [that Elias] helped Daniel do anything.”
    However, the evidence summarized above shows Elias’s conviction is
    not based on “merely being present” at the scene and that he assisted Daniel
    in the shooting. Further, Olsen’s expert testimony strengthened inferences
    arising from other evidence specific to Elias’s role in the crimes. Olsen
    testified that Elias’s presence contributed to the mission and aided its
    completion. Gang members will often have another member present to
    corroborate what occurred within the gang and to provide backup if rival
    gang members fight. Understood in that context, scouting the Park shortly
    before the shooting, driving Daniel and himself to the outskirts of Posole
    territory along with a .22-caliber revolver, covertly entering the Park, and
    wearing a bandanna and hoodie to conceal his identity support the inference
    that Elias was aware of the impending shooting, intended that it occur, and
    acted to facilitate it.
    3.     Substantial Evidence of the Gang Enhancements
    Elias also challenges the sufficiency of the evidence to support the true
    findings on the gang enhancements in each of the counts. As we will explain
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    below in section II.O, effective January 1, 2022, the substantive requirements
    for the gang enhancement described in section 186.22, subdivision (b)(1) have
    changed. (Stats. 2021, ch. 699, §§ 1-5.) Those statutory changes require that
    we reverse the true findings on the gang enhancements. Nevertheless,
    because double jeopardy would attach if Elias were to succeed in establishing
    that the jury’s true findings on the gang enhancements were not supported
    by substantial evidence (Burks v. United States (1978) 
    437 U.S. 1
    , 18; People
    v. Garcia (2014) 
    224 Cal.App.4th 519
    , 526), we proceed to address Elias’s
    sufficiency of the evidence challenge to those enhancements, based on the
    substantive requirements of section 186.22, subdivision (b)(1) at the time of
    trial.
    The sentencing enhancement set forth in section 186.22, subdivision
    (b)(1) applies to “a person who is convicted of a felony committed for the
    benefit of, at the direction of, or in association with a criminal street gang,
    with the specific intent to promote, further, or assist in criminal conduct by
    gang members.” (§ 186.22, subd. (b)(1).) Under the version of section 186.22
    that existed at the time of trial, to establish a “criminal street gang,” the
    prosecution had to prove that one of the gang’s “primary activities” was the
    commission of one or more of the 33 crimes enumerated in section 186.22,
    subdivision (e), and that the gang engaged in a “pattern of criminal gang
    activity” by committing two or more such “predicate offenses.” (Former
    § 186.22, subds. (e), (f).) The 33 crimes listed in subdivision (e) included the
    commission or attempted commission of murder, robbery, assault with a
    deadly weapon or by means likely to produce great bodily injury, and
    prohibited possession of a firearm. (Former § 186.22, subd. (e).) Case law
    interprets the phrase “primary activities” to mean that committing one or
    more of the enumerated crimes is one of the group’s “ ‘chief’ or ‘principal’
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    occupations.” (People v. Sengpadychith (2001) 
    26 Cal.4th 316
    , 323
    (Sengpadychith).)
    Olsen testified that he was familiar with Center Street gang, having
    contacted its members throughout his 11-year career. Asked to identify
    “some of the general patterns” of Center Street’s “criminal activity,” Olsen
    testified: “Murder, assault with a deadly weapon, robbery, vandalism,
    possession of firearms.”
    Elias contends that because the prosecutor asked only about “general
    patterns” and not “primary activities,” there was insufficient evidence that
    the gang had as one of its “primary activities” the commission of one or more
    of the crimes enumerated in former section 186.22, subdivision (e). We
    disagree. Although expert testimony may be sufficient to establish the
    “primary activities” element of the gang enhancement35—such testimony is
    not the exclusive means of doing so. “ ‘Sufficient proof of the gang’s primary
    activities might consist of evidence that the group’s members consistently
    and repeatedly have committed criminal activity listed in the gang statute.’ ”
    (Nguyen, supra, 61 Cal.4th at p. 1068, italics omitted.) Olsen testified that
    Center Street gang members collectively had six prior convictions, including
    (1) unlawful possession of a firearm (December 2015); (2) assault with a
    35     People v. Prunty (2015) 
    62 Cal.4th 59
    , 82 (gang expert’s testimony of
    gang’s “various criminal practices, including homicide, assault, and firearms
    offenses” was “likely sufficient” to establish primary activities element);
    Nguyen, 
    supra,
     61 Cal.4th at page 1068 (expert’s testimony listing multiple
    crimes enumerated in statute as primary activities of gang provided
    sufficient proof of gang’s primary activities); People v. Vy (2004)
    
    122 Cal.App.4th 1209
    , 1226 (Vy) (“proof of the ‘primary activities’ element
    was satisfied through testimony by a police gang expert” of gang’s “criminal
    actions that constituted predicate crimes under the gang statute”). Vy was
    overruled on other grounds by Sanchez, 
    supra,
     
    63 Cal.4th 665
    , as recognized
    in In re Thomas (2018) 
    30 Cal.App.5th 744
    , 752-753.
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    deadly weapon (November 2015; June 2015; June 2011; November 2009); and
    (3) assault by means likely to produce great bodily injury (November 2015).
    Moreover, under the prior version of section 186.22, if the jury found
    defendants guilty of a crime charged in this case, the jury could also properly
    consider that crime in deciding whether Center Street’s primary activities
    included committing that crime. (Sengpadychith, supra, 26 Cal.4th at
    pp. 320, 323.)
    The appellate court’s opinion in Vy, supra, 
    122 Cal.App.4th 1209
    , is
    illustrative. There, the court held that three violent crimes over a period of
    less than three months constituted sufficient evidence of a gang’s primary
    activities. (Id. at pp. 1222, 1225.) Similarly here, evidence of Center Street
    gang members’ convictions for five prior aggravated assaults, a firearm
    violation, plus the charged offenses, was sufficient to show that the gang had
    “as one of its primary activities[,] the commission of one or more” of the 33
    criminal acts listed in former section 186.22, subdivision (e).
    Elias contends, however, that Vy, supra, 
    122 Cal.App.4th 1209
     is
    distinguishable because in Vy, the three predicate crimes were committed
    “over a short period of time” in a single year, whereas here the six convictions
    occurred over a six-year period by members of a group consisting of
    approximately 70 persons.36
    Even assuming Elias is correct that—when considered alone—six
    convictions occurring between 2009 and 2015 suggested that Center Street’s
    crimes were only occasional, we look to the record as a whole in evaluating a
    substantial evidence claim. This includes evidence that the six predicates
    were committed by six different Center Street gang members. Moreover, over
    a four-year period, police in the gang suppression unit contacted Elias
    36    Elias incorrectly states there are 100 Center Street gang members.
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    “hundreds of times.” On a traffic stop about a year before the charged crimes,
    Elias fled on foot with a gun in his waistband. In 2016 rap, Elias stated that
    Center Street members were “rolling and patrolling,” looking for rival gang
    members to kill. In other lyrics, Elias said that Center Street gang members
    were posted on the streets in their neighborhood, with access to weapons “in
    case the enemies roll by.”
    Thus, the record as a whole demonstrates that Center Street’s primary
    purpose was to commit violent crime. The true findings on the gang
    enhancements were supported by substantial evidence.
    N.    Daniel Has Forfeited Issues Not Raised in His or Elias’s Opening Brief
    On May 13, 2019, Daniel filed a 161-page opening brief. The argument
    section of that brief does not contain any separate heading or argument that
    Daniel’s convictions and/or the true findings on enhancements are not
    supported by substantial evidence.
    On August 6, 2019, Elias filed his opening brief. As discussed ante,
    among other points, Elias’s brief asserts that the judgment against him is not
    supported by substantial evidence. Elias’s brief presents these arguments
    only with respect to his case—not Daniel’s.
    On August 16, 2019, Daniel filed a six-page single-spaced letter brief in
    this court, entitled, “Notice Of Joinder . . . in Arguments Briefed By
    Coappellant Elias Ramos” (the Letter). The Letter was both unnecessary and
    somewhat puzzling. It was unnecessary because in his opening brief, Daniel
    had already joined in Elias’s arguments. The Letter was puzzling because it
    does not take six single-spaced pages to say, “I join in Elias’s arguments if
    they are helpful to me.”
    We subsequently issued an order limiting the Letter to being only a
    joinder in issues raised in Elias’s opening brief: “The court has received
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    appellant Daniel Ramos’s ‘notice of joinder’ in arguments of his co-appellant.
    The court construes the notice as a request to join in arguments raised in co-
    appellant Elias Ramos’s opening brief and, as such, GRANTS the request.”
    In both the Letter and his reply brief, Daniel asserts that no
    substantial evidence supports findings that he premeditated and deliberated
    the murder and attempted murder, and that insufficient evidence supports
    the gang enhancements.
    The arguments are forfeited for two reasons. First, Daniel cannot
    assert the issues by way of joinder because Elias’s brief does not contain an
    argument that the evidence is insufficient against Daniel. Elias argues there
    was insufficient evidence of his own premeditation and guilt, and the true
    findings on the gang enhancements were made as to each defendant, but
    Elias challenges only the findings as to him. (People v. Nero (2010)
    
    181 Cal.App.4th 504
    , 510, fn. 11 [joinder in coappellant’s brief was not
    sufficient to raise issue of aider and abettor liability unique to appellant’s
    own circumstances].) Our order allows Daniel to join in Elias’s arguments,
    not to create new ones that Elias and he omitted from their respective
    opening briefs. Second, to the extent Daniel seeks to raise the arguments for
    the first time in his reply, they are forfeited. (People v. Rangel (2016)
    
    62 Cal.4th 1192
    , 1218.) Absent a showing of good cause (and here there is
    none), fairness considerations preclude considering arguments raised for the
    first time in a reply brief. (Ibid.)
    The arguments are also meritless. As to the issue of premeditation and
    deliberation, in the Letter, Daniel asserts: There was “no evidence of Daniel
    being armed with a weapon prior to the shooting. Instead, the prosecutor’s
    theory was that Elias had the firearm before the shooting.” These statements
    are ambiguous insofar as Daniel fails to define what he means by “prior to
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    the shooting.” Although it is true Elias was photographed with a weapon at
    some point “prior to the shooting,” this does not negate the fact that Daniel,
    too, was armed with a weapon immediately before and during the shooting.
    Daniel was the shooter. He confessed to the CI that he shot and killed
    Annebell with a “fuckin’ .22” and that Elias was not armed. The People
    offered very thin evidence—a .38 slug found in someone’s shoe—to support a
    theory that Elias was also armed at the time of the shooting.37 But the
    People never claimed that Elias was armed during the incident while Daniel
    was not. Regarding the challenge to the sufficiency of the evidence for the
    gang enhancements, we have explained above why that argument lacks
    merit.
    37     The day after the shooting, a resident near the Park found a bullet hole
    in his front door and a .38 or .357 Magnum round that had landed inside the
    house in an empty shoe. In opening statement, the prosecutor told the jury
    “[t]he evidence will suggest the possibility” that Elias fired this round and
    missed. However, by the end of the trial, the People abandoned this theory.
    In closing argument, the prosecutor told the jury, “[T]he only fear I really
    have is that you’re going to get hung up, real hung up, on whether Elias had
    a gun and fired or not and you’ll spend . . . time on that issue. [¶] Just
    remember this, if you start to get hung up on that, it’s not charged that way.
    It’s not charged for you to have to find whether Elias Ramos fired a gun or
    not; right? So that’s not a decision you have to make.”
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    O.    Due to Recent Amendments to Section 186.22, the True Findings on the
    Gang Enhancements in Counts 1, 2, and 3 for Both Daniel and Elias
    Must Be Reversed, Along with the Sentence Imposed on Elias for the
    Firearm Enhancements in Counts 1 and 2, and the Increase to the
    Sentence on Count 2 for Daniel, All of Which Were Predicated on the
    True Findings on the Gang Enhancements
    The jury made true findings on gang enhancements under section
    186.22, subdivision (b)(1) for counts 1, 2, and 3 for both Daniel and Elias.38
    Those true findings led to the following components of the sentences imposed
    by the trial court. First, for Daniel, the trial court (1) imposed a sentence of
    four years for the gang enhancement in count 3; and (2) increased the
    sentence on the attempted murder count from a term of seven years to life to
    a term of 15 years to life based on the gang enhancement in section 186.22,
    subdivision (b)(5).39 Second, for Elias, the trial court (1) imposed a sentence
    of four years for the gang enhancement in count 3; (2) used the true finding
    on the gang enhancement in count 1 as a predicate to impose the firearm
    enhancement of 25 years to life in count 1 (§ 12022.53, subds. (d), (e)(1)); and
    used the true finding on the gang enhancement in count 2 as a predicate to
    38     As we have noted, that enhancement applies when the jury finds that
    the defendant committed a felony “for the benefit of, at the direction of, or in
    association with a criminal street gang, with the specific intent to promote,
    further, or assist in criminal conduct by gang members.” (§ 186.22, subd.
    (b)(1).)
    39    Section 186.22, subdivision (b)(5) provides that, with certain
    exceptions, “a person who violates this subdivision in the commission of a
    felony punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for life shall not be
    paroled until a minimum of 15 calendar years have been served.”
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    impose the firearm enhancement of 20 years in count 2 (§ 12022.53, subds.
    (c), (e)(1)).40
    Effective January 1, 2022, Assembly Bill No. 333 made a number of
    substantive amendments to section 186.22. (Stats. 2021, ch. 699, §§ 1-5
    (Assembly Bill 333).) With respect to section 186.22, “Assembly Bill 333
    made the following changes . . . : First, it narrowed the definition of a
    ‘criminal street gang’ to require that any gang be an ‘ongoing, organized
    association or group of three or more persons.’ (§ 186.22, subd. (f), italics
    added.) Second, whereas section 186.22, former subdivision (f) required only
    that a gang’s members ‘individually or collectively engage in’ a pattern of
    criminal activity in order to constitute a ‘criminal street gang,’ Assembly
    Bill 333 requires that any such pattern have been ‘collectively engage[d] in’
    by members of the gang. (§ 186.22, subd. (f), italics added.) Third, Assembly
    Bill 333 also narrowed the definition of a ‘pattern of criminal activity’ by
    requiring that (1) the last offense used to show a pattern of criminal gang
    activity occurred within three years of the date that the currently charged
    offense is alleged to have been committed; (2) the offenses were committed by
    40      Section 12022.53, subdivision (e)(1) makes the firearm enhancements
    in subdivisions (b), (c), and (d) applicable to someone who is a principal in a
    crime, but not the shooter, if the jury makes a predicate true finding on the
    gang enhancement in section 186.22, subdivision (b). (§ 12022.53, subd. (e)(1)
    [“The enhancements provided in this section shall apply to any person who is
    a principal in the commission of an offense if both of the following are pled
    and proved: (A) The person violated subdivision (b) of Section 186.22. [¶]
    (B) Any principal in the offense committed any act specified in subdivision
    (b), (c), or (d)”].) The jury made true findings under section 12022.53,
    subdivision (e)(1) as to both Daniel and Elias on counts 1 and 2. However,
    with respect to Daniel, the jury also made true findings based on section
    12022.53, subdivisions (c) and (d), which were based on Daniel being the
    shooter. The enhancements under those subdivisions as to Daniel did not
    require a predicate true finding on the gang enhancement.
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    two or more gang ‘members,’ as opposed to just ‘persons’; (3) the offenses
    commonly benefitted a criminal street gang; and (4) the offenses establishing
    a pattern of gang activity must be ones other than the currently charged
    offense. (§ 186.22, subd. (e)(1), (2).) Fourth, Assembly Bill 333 narrowed
    what it means for an offense to have commonly benefitted a street gang,
    requiring that any ‘common benefit’ be ‘more than reputational.’ (§ 186.22,
    subd. (g).)” (Tran, 
    supra,
     13 Cal.5th at p. 1206.)
    Daniel and Elias argue, and the People agree, that the amendments to
    section 186.22 apply retroactively here because the convictions are not yet
    final. We concur with the parties’ position on the retroactivity of the
    substantive changes to section 186.22, which is supported by our Supreme
    Court’s recent decision in Tran. (Tran, supra, 13 Cal.5th at p. 1206.)
    The jury instructions did not reflect the current requirements set forth
    in the amended version of section 186.22. As the People explain, the jury
    instructions “permitted true findings for the gang enhancements upon
    evidence that satisfied the former version of the statute. . . . These
    retroactive instructional errors included the authorization to use a current
    crime to establish a pattern of criminal gang activity . . . and the failure to
    require the jury to consider whether, for example, Center Street was an
    ‘organized association’ whose members derived a ‘common benefit’ that was
    ‘more than reputational’ (see . . . § 186.22, subd[s]. (f), (g)). Jury instructions
    regarding the former elements and the permission to consider the current
    charges were appropriate at the time of trial but are now error.”
    With respect to whether the use of now-erroneous jury instructions
    requires reversal, the applicable case law requires us to apply the standard
    set forth in Chapman, supra, 386 U.S. at page 26. Specifically, as the parties
    agree, we must reverse the true findings on the gang enhancements unless
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    we conclude, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the now-erroneous instructions
    did not contribute to the true findings on the gang enhancements. (Tran,
    
    supra,
     13 Cal.5th at p. 1207 [applying the Chapman standard to determine
    that the application of the prior version of § 186.22 was prejudicial].)
    The People concede that the error was prejudicial and requires
    reversal. We agree that reversal is required. Among other things, based on
    the jury instructions and the evidence presented at trial, we cannot conclude
    beyond a reasonable doubt that the jury’s finding that the gang engaged in a
    pattern of criminal activity was not based, at least in part, on the currently
    charged offenses. (§ 186.22, subd. (e)(2).) Further, we cannot conclude
    beyond a reasonable doubt that the jury would have found that the benefit
    the gang derived from the predicate offenses was “more than reputational.”
    (§ 186.22, subd. (g).)
    We will therefore reverse the true findings on the gang enhancements
    as to both Daniel and Elias in counts 1, 2, and 3. As a result, the components
    of Daniel and Elias’s sentences that relied on the true findings on the gang
    enhancements must also be vacated. These include: (1) for both Daniel and
    Elias, the four-year sentence for the gang enhancement in count 3; (2) for
    Elias, the firearm enhancement of 25 years to life in count 1 (§ 12022.53,
    subds. (d), (e)(1)) and the firearm enhancement of 20 years in count 2
    (§ 12022.53, subds. (c), (e)(1)); and (3) for Daniel, the increase to the sentence
    on the attempted murder count from a term of seven years to life to a term of
    15 years to life (§ 186.22, subd. (b)(5)).41
    41     For Daniel, the jury also made true findings in counts 1 and 2 on
    firearm enhancements based on section 12022.53, subdivision (e)(1). Those
    true findings must be reversed as a result of the reversal of the true findings
    on the gang enhancements. (§ 12022.53, subd. (e)(1) [requiring a finding that
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    The People may choose on remand to retry the gang enhancement
    allegations for both Daniel and Elias based on the current version of section
    186.22. (See People v. Sek (2022) 
    74 Cal.App.5th 657
    , 669; People v. Ramos
    (2022) 
    77 Cal.App.5th 1116
    , 1128 (Ramos).) If the People obtain true findings
    on the gang enhancements on remand, the true findings on the firearm
    enhancements in counts 1 and 2 under section 12022.53, subdivision (e)(1)
    may be reinstated by the trial court, as the necessary predicate of a true
    finding of a violation of section 186.22, subdivision (b) will once again exist
    for those firearm enhancements. (§ 12022.53, subd. (e)(1)(A) [requiring a
    finding that “[t]he person violated subdivision (b) of Section 186.22.”].)
    P.    The New Statute Permitting Defendants to Obtain Bifurcation of Gang
    Enhancements, Whether or Not Retroactively Applicable, Does Not
    Require Reversal Because Daniel and Elias Cannot Establish Prejudice
    Effective January 1, 2022, in Assembly Bill 333 the Legislature enacted
    section 1109, which provides that, upon a defendant’s request, the trial of
    gang enhancements must be bifurcated from the trial of substantive offenses.
    (§ 1109, subds. (a) & (b), added by Stats. 2021, ch. 699, § 5.) Specifically,
    section 1109 states, in relevant part, “(a) If requested by the defense, a case
    in which a gang enhancement is charged under subdivision (b) or (d) of
    Section 186.22 shall be tried in separate phases as follows: [¶] (1) The
    question of the defendant’s guilt of the underlying offense shall be first
    determined. [¶] (2) If the defendant is found guilty of the underlying offense
    and there is an allegation of an enhancement under subdivision (b) or (d) of
    the defendant “violated subdivision (b) of Section 186.22”].) However,
    Daniel’s sentence will not be impacted because, for Daniel, the trial court
    imposed terms of imprisonment for the firearm enhancements in counts 1
    and 2 under section 12022.53, subdivisions (c) and (d), which were not
    predicated on any true finding on a gang enhancement.
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    Section 186.22, there shall be further proceedings to the trier of fact on the
    question of the truth of the enhancement.” (§ 1109, subd. (a).)42
    Daniel and Elias argue that the bifurcation requirement created by
    section 1109 applies retroactively to convictions, like theirs, that are not yet
    final. Daniel and Elias further argue that the failure to bifurcate requires
    that we reverse the entire judgment so that they may be tried in a bifurcated
    proceeding, in which the jury will first deliver a verdict on the substantive
    charges without being exposed to the evidence relating to the gang
    enhancements. The People disagree on both points.
    As our Supreme Court has recently noted, case law is split on the
    question of whether section 1109 applies retroactively to convictions that are
    not yet final. (Tran, 
    supra,
     13 Cal.5th at p. 1208.) Some published opinions
    have held that section 1109 is not retroactive. (Ramirez, supra,
    79 Cal.App.5th at p. 65 [majority holding § 1109 is not retroactive;
    concurrence holding it is retroactive], review granted; Perez, 
    supra,
    78 Cal.App.5th at p. 207, review granted.) Other published opinions have
    held that section 1109 is retroactive. (Burgos, supra, 77 Cal.App.5th at
    pp. 564-569, review granted [majority holding § 1109 is retroactive; dissent
    holding it is not retroactive]; Ramos, supra, 77 Cal.App.5th at pp. 1128-1130;
    Montano, supra, 80 Cal.App.5th at pp. 89, 108.) The issue of whether
    section 1109 applies retroactively to nonfinal cases is currently pending
    42    Prior to the enactment of section 1109, the trial court had discretion to
    bifurcate the trial of gang enhancements. (People v. Hernandez (2004)
    
    33 Cal.4th 1040
    , 1049 (Hernandez).) Here, the trial court denied the
    defendants’ motion to bifurcate the underlying charges from the gang
    enhancements, stating that “the gang evidence is directly related to the
    crime. It goes to motive and intent.”
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    before our Supreme Court, as it is considering the issue in its review of
    Burgos.
    In Tran, our Supreme Court found it unnecessary to take a position on
    whether section 1109 applies retroactively to convictions that are not yet
    final, as any error in failing to bifurcate the trial of the gang allegations was
    harmless. (Tran, 
    supra,
     13 Cal.5th at p. 1208.) As we will explain, we take
    the same approach here. Even assuming, without deciding, that section 1109
    applies retroactively, the failure to bifurcate the trial of the gang allegations
    was harmless error.
    In their briefing filed prior to our Supreme Court’s issuance of Tran,
    Daniel and Elias argued that the failure to bifurcate the trial of the gang
    enhancements constituted structural error that is not amenable to harmless
    error review and is therefore reversible per se. However, as Daniel and Elias
    concede in supplemental letter briefing, that position is no longer tenable
    after Tran. (Tran, 
    supra,
     13 Cal.5th at p. 1208 [rejecting the appellant’s
    “contention that the failure to bifurcate constitutes structural error”].)
    In most instances, when an error is one of state law, reversal is not
    warranted unless there is a reasonable probability that in the absence of the
    error, a result more favorable to the appealing party would have been
    reached. (Watson, supra, 46 Cal.2d at pp. 836-837; People v. Lewis (2021)
    
    11 Cal.5th 952
    , 973 [“Typically, when an ‘error is purely one of state law, the
    Watson harmless error test applies.’ ”].) The now-existing requirement to
    bifurcate gang enhancements arises from a state-law statute (§ 1109), and a
    failure to follow section 1109 therefore constitutes an error of state law.
    As Tran recognized, certain errors of state law may require the
    application of the Chapman harmless error standard (Chapman, 
    supra,
    386 U.S. at p. 26) if they rise to federal constitutional error under the due
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    process clause by rendering the trial fundamentally unfair. (Tran, 
    supra,
    13 Cal.5th at p. 1209, citing People v. Partida (2005) 
    37 Cal.4th 428
    , 439.)
    However, like the appellant in Tran, Daniel and Elias have not persuaded us
    that the failure to bifurcate the gang enhancements created a fundamentally
    unfair trial within the meaning of the federal due process clause. (Id. at
    p. 1209 [holding that “the prosecutor’s use of the gang evidence here did not
    render the trial ‘fundamentally unfair’ ”].) The trial was not fundamentally
    unfair due to the failure to bifurcate because, as we explain below, most of
    the gang evidence presented at trial was relevant to the substantive offenses,
    and the limited amount of evidence relevant only to the gang enhancements
    was not particularly inflammatory. (See Albarran, supra, 149 Cal.App.4th at
    p. 229 [“ ‘Only if there are no permissible inferences the jury may draw from
    the evidence can its admission violate due process. Even then, the evidence
    must “be of such quality as necessarily prevents a fair trial.” ’ ”].)
    As in Tran, having rejected the contention that the failure to bifurcate
    the gang allegations rendered the trial fundamentally unfair, we apply the
    Watson harmless error standard. (Tran, supra, 13 Cal.5th at p. 1209.)
    Under that standard, we conclude that there is no reasonable probability of a
    different outcome were the gang enhancements to be bifurcated from
    underlying offenses. This is because the vast majority of the gang-related
    evidence was relevant to prove the underlying offenses and thus would have
    been presented to the jury even if the trial of the gang enhancements was
    bifurcated. Indeed, as our Supreme Court has explained, “evidence of gang
    membership is often relevant to, and admissible regarding, the charged
    offense. Evidence of the defendant’s gang affiliation—including evidence of
    the gang’s territory, membership, signs, symbols, beliefs and practices,
    criminal enterprises, rivalries, and the like—can help prove identity, motive,
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    modus operandi, specific intent, means of applying force or fear, or other
    issues pertinent to guilt of the charged crime.” (Hernandez, supra, 33 Cal.4th
    at p. 1049.) That was clearly the case here.
    Specifically, the prosecution’s theory was that Daniel and Elias entered
    rival gang territory and shot in a premeditated manner in an attempt to kill
    perceived rival gang members. The gang-related evidence, including Elias’s
    rap videos and Daniel’s lengthy conversation with the CI, whom he perceived
    to be a fellow gang member, as well as evidence about the background of the
    rivalry between the Center Street and Posole gangs, and the customs and
    codes of behavior of gang members, was centrally relevant to the People’s
    case on the underlying counts. Although it is true, as Daniel states, that the
    jury heard “a panoply of incriminating gang evidence,” almost all of that
    evidence was admissible to prove motive, identity and premeditation for the
    underlying counts. Indeed, as Daniel observes in his briefing, the gang
    evidence “played a large role in setting up the state’s theory that Daniel was
    guilty of premeditated and deliberate first-degree murder and attempted
    murder.”
    Neither Daniel nor Elias have identified the evidence that they think
    was admitted only because of the gang enhancements. Based on our review
    of the record, only a small fraction of the gang-related evidence admitted at
    trial was relevant solely to prove the gang enhancements, with no substantial
    relation to the issues of identity, motive, or premeditation. That evidence
    primarily consisted of the testimony about the six predicate offenses
    committed by Center Street gang members. However, as we have explained,
    that evidence was presented in a cursory and sanitized manner. (See
    pt. II.F.2, ante.) It is not reasonably probable that the outcome of the trial on
    the substantive counts would have been different in the absence of that brief
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    and non-inflammatory evidence. In addition, the jurors were instructed that
    they “may not conclude from [gang] evidence that the defendant is a person of
    bad character or that he has a disposition to commit crime.” We presume
    that the jurors followed the court’s instructions. (People v. Sanchez (2001)
    
    26 Cal.4th 834
    , 852.) Finally, it is not reasonably probable that Daniel and
    Elias would have obtained a different outcome at trial if the evidence
    attributable solely to the gang enhancements was excluded, as that minimal
    evidence pales in comparison to the strong evidence of guilt in this case. As
    we have explained, Daniel confessed to a deliberate and premeditated
    murder, and he also named Elias as an aider and abettor.43
    In sum, even assuming section 1109 is retroactively applicable in this
    case, the failure to bifurcate the trial of the gang enhancements was not
    prejudicial error.44
    43      In another attempt to establish prejudice, Daniel argues that if the
    trial of the gang enhancements was bifurcated, “[t]he trial court’s weighing of
    prejudicial effect against probative value under Evidence Code section 352
    would necessarily have been different, because the court would have weighed
    the prejudicial effect of the evidence against its probative value with respect
    to the elements of the underlying crime, not its probative value with respect
    to the elements of the gang enhancement.” We are not persuaded. Given the
    direct relevance of the vast majority of the gang evidence to prove identity,
    motive, and premeditation, it is not reasonably likely that the trial court
    would have decided to exclude that evidence under Evidence Code section 352
    if its probative value with respect to the gang enhancements was absent.
    44    Moreover, based on the strength of the evidence of the defendants’ guilt
    and the minimal gang-related evidence relating solely to the gang
    enhancements, even assuming without deciding that it was error not to
    bifurcate the gang enhancements, any such error does not change our
    conclusion that the cumulative errors committed by the trial court do not
    require reversal.
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    Q.    The Upper Term Sentences on Count 3 Must Be Vacated and
    Defendants Must Both Be Resentenced on That Count Based on the
    Recent Amendments to the Determinate Sentencing Law
    Effective January 1, 2022, the determinate sentencing law set forth in
    section 1170 was amended. (See Sen. Bill No. 567 (2021-2022 Reg. Sess.);
    Stats. 2021, ch. 731, § 1.3; Assem. Bill No. 124 (2021-2022 Reg. Sess.);
    Stats. 2021, ch. 695, § 5.) Those amendments are relevant here in two
    respects.
    First, under the amended statute, a court must “order imposition of a
    sentence not to exceed the middle term,” except in limited circumstances.
    (§ 1170, subd. (b)(1).) A court may depart from the presumptive middle term
    to impose an upper term sentence “only when there are circumstances in
    aggravation of the crime that justify the imposition of a term of
    imprisonment exceeding the middle term, and the facts underlying those
    circumstances have been stipulated to by the defendant, or have been found
    true beyond a reasonable doubt at trial by the jury or by the judge in a court
    trial.” (Id., subd. (b)(2).) Nevertheless, “the court may consider the
    defendant’s prior convictions in determining sentencing based on a certified
    record of conviction without submitting the prior convictions to a jury.” (Id.,
    subd. (b)(3).) Here, in count 3, for the conviction of possession of a firearm by
    a felon (§ 29800, subd. (a)(1)), the trial court imposed upper term sentences
    on both Daniel and Elias.45 In so doing, it relied on several aggravating
    45    The trial court also imposed upper term sentences on both Daniel and
    Elias for the gang enhancements in count 3. However, as we have explained,
    those sentences will be vacated due to the statutory amendments to
    section 186.22. We accordingly do not include them in our discussion here.
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    factors based on the defendants’ criminal history.46 However, the trial court
    may have based its understanding of Daniel and Elias’s criminal history on
    the description set forth in the probation officer’s reports, rather than on
    certified records of conviction, as prior to the amendments to section 1170,
    there was no reason for the People to submit certified records to establish
    factors in aggravation.
    Second, the amended statute now includes a presumption in favor of
    the lower term sentence when, among other things, a defendant is under 26
    years of age at the time of the offense or when past trauma was a
    contributing factor to the commission of the offense. (§ 1170, subd. (b)(6).)
    “[U]nless the court finds that the aggravating circumstances outweigh the
    mitigating circumstances that imposition of the lower term would be contrary
    to the interests of justice, the court shall order imposition of the lower term if
    any of the following was a contributing factor in the commission of the
    offense: [¶] (A) The person has experienced psychological, physical, or
    childhood trauma, including, but not limited to, abuse, neglect, exploitation,
    or sexual violence. [¶] (B) The person is a youth, or was a youth as defined
    under subdivision (b) of Section 1016.7 at the time of the commission of the
    46    For Elias, the trial court stated, “Factors in aggravation under
    Section 4.421 include that the defendant’s prior juvenile and adult
    convictions are numerous and that this is his third conviction for unlawful
    possession of weapons, the second for a firearm, as shown by the probation
    report. He was on felony probation at the time of this crime. And his prior
    performance on adult probation was unsatisfactory.” For Daniel, the trial
    court stated, “Factors in aggravation under 4.421 include his prior juvenile
    adjudication, and adult convictions are numerous. And this is his third
    conviction for unlawful possession of a firearm. He was on felony probation
    for possession of a firearm at the time of this crime, and his prior
    performance on probation has been unsatisfactory.” The trial court did not
    identify any factors in mitigation for either of the defendants.
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    offense. . . .” (§ 1170, subd. (b)(6); see § 1016.7, subd. (b) [“A ‘youth’ for
    purposes of this section includes any person under 26 years of age on the date
    the offense was committed”].) Here, both Daniel and Elias were under 26
    years of age when they committed the offenses. Further, Daniel and Elias
    both contend they suffered childhood trauma. Because the trial court
    sentenced Daniel and Elias prior to the amendments to the determinate
    sentencing law, it did not consider whether a lower term sentence should be
    imposed in count 3 based on either of those factors.
    Daniel and Elias argue that they are entitled to have the newly
    amended law applied to them, as their convictions are not yet final. The
    People properly agree that the amendments to section 1170 apply
    retroactively to Daniel and Elias. (See People v. Lopez (2022) 
    78 Cal.App.5th 459
    , 465 [“The People properly concede that Senate Bill No. 567’s
    ameliorative amendments to section 1170, subdivision (b) apply retroactively
    to all cases not yet final as of January 1, 2022.”].)
    The People also concede that the application of the prior version of the
    determinate sentencing law was prejudicial. Specifically, relying on the
    statutory amendment creating a presumptive lower term sentence for
    youthful offenders, the People explain that “the trial court had no
    opportunity to consider the new potentially mitigating factors under . . .
    section 1170, subdivision (b)(6). A remand for resentencing on count 3 for
    both appellants is appropriate.” We accept the People’s concession. The trial
    court should have the opportunity, in the first instance, to consider whether a
    lower term sentence should be imposed, and the record does not indicate how
    the trial court will choose to exercise that discretion.
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    We accordingly vacate the sentences imposed on Daniel and Elias for
    count 3, and we remand for the trial court to apply the amended version of
    the determinate sentencing law for that count.
    R.      On Remand, the Trial Court May Consider Whether to Impose Lesser
    Uncharged Firearm Enhancements
    As we have explained, one of the components of the sentences for both
    Daniel and Elias were firearm enhancements pursuant to section 12022.53.
    (§ 12022.53, subds. (c), (d), (e)(1).) Section 12022.53, subdivision (h) provides
    that a “court may, in the interest of justice pursuant to Section 1385 and at
    the time of sentencing, strike or dismiss an enhancement otherwise required
    to be imposed by this section.” Our Supreme Court held in Tirado that a trial
    court has the discretion under this provision to strike a greater, charged
    section 12022.53 enhancement and impose a lesser, uncharged enhancement
    where the facts supporting that lesser enhancement were alleged in the
    information and found true by the jury. (Tirado, supra, 12 Cal.5th at pp. 697,
    700.)
    Here, because the trial court pronounced sentence prior to our Supreme
    Court’s decision in Tirado, supra, 
    12 Cal.5th 688
    , there is no indication it
    understood its discretion to impose a lesser firearm enhancement. Because
    we are remanding for a full resentencing, the trial court shall have the
    opportunity, on remand, to decide whether to exercise the discretion
    identified in Tirado. (People v. Buycks (2018) 
    5 Cal.5th 857
    , 893 (Buycks)
    [“[W]hen part of a sentence is stricken on review, on remand for resentencing
    ‘a full resentencing as to all counts is appropriate, so the trial court can
    exercise its sentencing discretion in light of the changed circumstances.’ ”];
    People v. Valenzuela (2019) 
    7 Cal.5th 415
    , 424-425 [“[T]he full resentencing
    rule allows a court to revisit all prior sentencing decisions when resentencing
    a defendant.”].)
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    The sentencing discretion identified in Tirado, supra, 
    12 Cal.5th 688
    ,
    could possibly impact the sentences for the firearm enhancements under
    counts 1 and 2 that remain as to Daniel (§ 12022.53, subds. (c), (d)), as well as
    any firearm enhancements alleged against Elias that may be reinstated in
    the event the People successfully retry the gang enhancements.47
    S.    Issues Involving Fines and Fees
    At sentencing, the trial court ordered Daniel and Elias to pay the
    following: (1) a restitution fine under section 1202.4, subdivision (b) of
    $10,000; (2) $7,496.33 in victim restitution (Annebell’s funeral expenses); and
    (3) other court fees totaling $364, including a criminal justice administration
    fee of $154 pursuant to former Government Code section 29550.1.
    1.    The $154 Criminal Justice Administration Fee Must Be Vacated
    to the Extent It Has Not Yet Been Paid
    As of July 1, 2021, the statutory provision pursuant to which the trial
    court imposed the $154 criminal justice administration fee was repealed.
    (Stats. 2020, ch. 92, § 24; Assem. Bill No. 1869 (2019-2020 Reg. Sess.).)
    Effective July 1, 2021, Assembly Bill No. 1869 amended Government Code
    section 6111, which now provides, “On and after July 1, 2021, the unpaid
    balance of any court-imposed costs pursuant to . . . [Government Code]
    [s]ection 29550, and [s]ections 29550.1, 29550.2, and 29550.3, as those
    sections read on June 30, 2021, is unenforceable and uncollectible and any
    47    Although the People contend that the record shows there is no
    possibility the trial court will exercise its discretion to impose lesser firearm
    enhancements on Daniel, we need not address that issue, as we are
    remanding for a full resentencing. (Buycks, 
    supra,
     5 Cal.5th at p. 893.) On
    remand the trial court will have the opportunity to consider, in the first
    instance, whether the sentencing discretion identified in Tirado, supra,
    
    12 Cal.5th 688
    , impacts its view of the appropriate sentence for Daniel on the
    firearm enhancements.
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    portion of a judgment imposing those costs shall be vacated.” (Gov. Code,
    § 6111, subd. (a).) Pursuant to Government Code section 6111, the unpaid
    balance of the criminal justice administration fee, as of July 1, 2021, is
    unenforceable and uncollectible. (People v. Lopez-Vinck (2021)
    
    68 Cal.App.5th 945
    , 953.) We therefore vacate any balance of the $154 fee
    imposed on both Daniel and Elias that remains unpaid as of July 1, 2021.
    2.    On Remand for Resentencing, the Parties May Raise the Issue of
    Their Inability to Pay the Remaining Fines and Fees
    Daniel and Elias contend the court erred in imposing fines, fees, and
    assessments without first conducting an ability-to-pay hearing as described
    in People v. Dueñas (2019) 
    30 Cal.App.5th 1157
    . Our Supreme Court is
    currently considering the issues raised in Dueñas. (People v. Kopp (2019)
    
    38 Cal.App.5th 47
    , 94, review granted Nov. 13, 2019, S257844.)
    Although Daniel and Elias did not raise the issue of their ability to pay
    the fines and fees at sentencing, because we are remanding for a full
    resentencing, they may raise that issue for the first time on remand. The
    issue is therefore not ripe for our consideration.
    DISPOSITION
    We reverse the true findings on the gang enhancement allegations
    (§ 186.22, subd. (b)) for both Elias and Daniel in counts 1, 2, and 3, along with
    the corresponding four-year sentences for both of them in count 3. The
    People may choose to retry those allegations on remand. As to Elias, we
    reverse the true finding on the firearm enhancements and the corresponding
    sentence of 25 years to life in count 1 and 20 years in count 2. On remand, if
    the People retry the gang allegations as to Elias on counts 1 and 2 and obtain
    a true finding on those allegations, the trial court may reimpose the firearm
    enhancements on Elias pursuant to section 12022.53, subdivision (e)(1) in
    counts 1 and 2.
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    Daniel and Elias’s sentences are vacated and this matter is remanded
    for a full resentencing. In addition to the gang enhancements for both Daniel
    and Elias in counts 1, 2, and 3, and the firearm enhancements for Elias in
    counts 1 and 2, as stated above (along with the corresponding sentences), the
    following components of the trial court’s sentence are not legally permissible
    based on the current record: (1) For both Daniel and Elias: (a) the upper
    term three-year sentence on count 3; and (b) the $154 fee imposed under
    former Government Code section 29550.1, to the extent it remains unpaid;
    and (2) for Daniel: the 15-year-to-life sentence on count 2, which must be
    reduced to a sentence of seven years to life, absent a legally permissible
    finding on the gang enhancement allegation as to Daniel in count 2 on
    remand. As part of a full resentencing hearing, the trial court may also
    consider with respect to the firearm enhancements, whether to exercise its
    discretion to impose lesser firearm enhancements.
    In all other respects, the judgments are affirmed.
    IRION, J.
    WE CONCUR:
    HUFFMAN, Acting P. J.
    BUCHANAN, J.
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