People v. Hanley CA1/4 ( 2021 )


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  • Filed 9/28/21 P. v. Hanley CA1/4
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    IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
    FIRST APPELLATE DISTRICT
    DIVISION FOUR
    THE PEOPLE,
    Plaintiff and Respondent,
    A157228
    v.
    THOMAS Z. HANLEY,                                                     (San Francisco County
    Super. Ct. No. SCN202219)
    Defendant and Appellant.
    In April 2004, Thomas Hanley’s mother, Ann Outin, was killed during
    a violent attack in her home. That same month, a complaint was filed
    charging Hanley with the murder but proceedings were delayed due to
    concerns about Hanley’s competency. In 2007, Hanley was formally charged
    with first degree murder for financial gain. (Pen. Code, §§ 187 & 190.2, subd.
    (a)(1); statutory references are to this code). In 2008, Hanley filed a motion to
    suppress incriminating statements he made to police, which took years to
    resolve. After Hanley’s suppression motion was denied in 2012, he entered a
    plea of not guilty by reason of insanity.
    In 2016, a jury convicted Hanley of second degree murder with an
    enhancement for personally using a knife. (§§ 187 & 12022, subd. (b)(1)). In
    2018, the trial court found that Hanley was sane when he killed Outin. He
    was sentenced to 15 years to life plus one year in prison.
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    On appeal, Hanley contends his suppression motion was erroneously
    denied and the prosecutor committed misconduct during closing argument to
    the jury. We agree with Hanley that investigators should have given
    Miranda warnings before they interviewed him at the police station, but we
    find no prejudicial error and thus affirm the judgment.
    BACKGROUND
    I. Prosecution Evidence
    A. Background
    In September 2003, Hanley began living at Crossroads, a residential
    placement facility in San Francisco designed to help young adults with
    mental health issues transition to independent living. For the most part,
    Hanley followed the program rules and he appeared to get along with
    residents and staff. In February 2004, however, Hanley told Crossroads
    program director, Maria F., that he wanted to move out because he was
    afraid of another resident named Ivan R. Hanley reported that Ivan was in a
    gang and that he extorted $100 from Hanley by threatening to kill him. Ivan
    denied Hanley’s accusation, claiming that Hanley owed him $100 because he
    bought Ivan’s jacket but failed to pay for it. Nevertheless, Hanley said he
    wanted to move back home with his mother, Ann Outin.
    During most of February and March 2004, Hanley did not reside at
    Crossroads.1 For some part of that time, Hanley had parties at Outin’s house
    while she was on vacation in Europe. When Outin returned, she was upset
    with Hanley because of the parties and because her house had been damaged.
    On April 5, Hanley moved back into the Crossroads facility.
    1 Crossroads maintained a daily logbook where staff documented when
    residents left or returned to the facility, whether they took their medication,
    and other issues or conflicts that arose. A copy of the logbook was admitted
    into evidence at Hanley’s 2016 murder trial.
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    On April 14, 2004, Hanley told Maria F. that he was worried about his
    mom because a former Crossroads resident named Anthony D. had told him
    that if Outin tried to get Anthony in trouble because of the parties, he would
    have her killed or kill her himself. Maria was aware that Outin wanted to
    talk to Anthony because Outin had called and asked for his contact
    information, which Maria refused to provide. When Maria suggested that
    Hanley call his mom and tell her about Anthony’s threats, Hanley responded
    that the phone line was busy and he suspected it was off the hook. Maria
    suggested calling the police, which Hanley said he would do the following
    day.
    B. Hanley’s 911 Call and the Crime Scene Investigation
    On the morning of April 15, 2004, Hanley told Maria F. he was going to
    his mom’s house for a family therapy session and he would call the police
    when he got back. Later, at around 11:00 a.m., Hanley called 911 and
    reported that his mother had “just been murdered.” Hanley told the operator
    he did not see what happened; he had just arrived at his mom’s house for
    family therapy and when nobody answered the doorbell he went around back.
    He found his mom on the floor and there was “blood everywhere.”
    When the 911 operator asked if Outin had been having “problems of
    some kind,” Hanley reported his suspicions about Anthony D. Hanley
    explained that he had a party at his mom’s house while she was on a trip to
    Paris and when she returned she discovered some of her things were missing.
    Hanley said that he had told Anthony that his mom wanted her things back
    and if Anthony did not return them she might “call the police or something.”
    Hanley recounted to the operator that Anthony told him that he didn’t care
    and wasn’t worried and then said something like “I’ll kill the bitch or
    whatever.” The operator told Hanley the police would be there soon. Hanley
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    asked if he should open the door even though there was “blood all over the
    doors and everything.” The operator told Hanley to try not to touch things
    and stayed on the phone until Hanley indicated the police had arrived.
    Officer Etcheveste was one of several San Francisco police officers who
    responded to Hanley’s 911 call. When Etcheveste arrived at Outin’s house,
    Hanley was sitting on the steps of a neighbor’s house. Sergeant Bosch, who
    was already at the scene, instructed Etcheveste to “stand with” Hanley, to
    not ask any questions, and to remember and report any statements Hanley
    made.
    While Etcheveste waited with Hanley, he received updates on his police
    radio from officers who were conducting an initial search of Outin’s house.
    Hanley appeared to listen to these updates with interest. When officers
    reported they were going to search an in-law unit in the basement of Outin’s
    house, Hanley stated: “ ‘Oh, no, the officers are checking the first floor.
    That’s where my knives collection is. It’s under my bed where I used to stay.
    That’s where Andy would look, yeah, when I saw my mom’s feet.’ ” A short
    while later, Hanley said: “ ‘They were coming after me next. That Anthony
    [D.], I should have never let them over. I just wanted to see my mom. Damn,
    I came over this morning about 11:00 a.m. I rang the doorbell and waited for
    her to answer. I looked at the doorknob and saw some blood. I went over to
    the side of the house and saw the gate was opened. I thought that was weird.
    And I checked the back door and saw it wide open. I went inside and went
    upstairs and saw all this blood. Blood was splattered all over the place. I
    went into my mom’s bedroom and saw her laying there. Man, I called the
    police. Damn it. I knew Anthony [D.] would kill her. Do you know he was—
    do you know he has been arrested for rape? Man, I can’t believe this.’ ”
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    Homicide inspectors Everson and Maffei arrived at Outin’s home
    shortly after noon. A sergeant directed the inspectors to Hanley, who was
    sitting on the neighbor’s steps with his family therapist, Mr. Scott. After the
    inspectors introduced themselves and expressed their condolences, they told
    Hanley they would like to speak with him because he was the person who
    discovered his mother’s body and called 911. The inspectors asked if Hanley
    would come to their office to give a statement and he said that he would. The
    inspectors made the same request of Scott because he had indicated that he
    came to the house to do a family therapy session with Hanley and Outin.
    Scott declined but said he would come in later. The inspectors asked if
    Hanley had a way to get to the Hall of Justice and when he said that he did
    not they offered to have someone drive him. Hanley said that was fine. A
    patrol officer drove Hanley to the Hall of Justice while the inspectors
    investigated the crime scene.
    When Everson viewed the scene, he first noticed blood outside the
    house, on the stairs and front door. Inside, there was blood on the banister in
    the stairwell leading to Outin’s bedroom. Outin’s body was on her bedroom
    floor, partially blocking the door. Blood was everywhere and there were signs
    of a violent struggle. A television had been knocked to the ground and things
    were in disarray. A bloody knife handle with part of a blade attached was on
    a chair. A set of knives was found under a bed on the lower level of the home.
    After the inspectors supervised the collection of evidence and canvassed
    the neighborhood for possible witnesses, they returned to the Hall of Justice
    to interview Hanley. Meanwhile, the medical examiner was called to the
    scene to receive Outin’s body. After completing an autopsy, the medical
    examiner concluded that Outin bled to death as a result of sharp force and
    blunt trauma injuries, which included four stab wounds and six incised
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    wounds in the region of her neck and head, 38 incised wounds on her hands
    and wrists, and a total of 52 contusions, abrasions and lacerations on various
    parts of her body.
    C. Hanley’s Interview and Recorded Statements
    At around 4:00 p.m., Everson and Maffei began taking Hanley’s
    statement, which was recorded, transcribed and admitted into evidence at
    Hanley’s trial. After re-introducing themselves, the inspectors asked Hanley
    some general questions about himself and said that they “just want[ed] to
    find out what happened today.”
    Hanley stated that he was at Crossroads where he woke up at around
    eight or nine that morning. He described Crossroads as a residential facility
    for kids that have “been . . . arrested or whatever” and need rehabilitating.
    Maffei asked if Hanley had recently been arrested, but Hanley said that he
    had not. Hanley explained that although he had been on probation for
    several years, he “got off” and the only reason he moved to Crossroads was
    because he could not “deal” with the fact that his mom and his girlfriend were
    not getting along. Hanley said that his girlfriend had lived at his mom’s
    house, but had gone to Oregon and killed herself, or so the police suspected.
    Hanley stated that he walked the 30 minutes from Crossroads to his
    mom’s house that morning because he had a family therapy appointment at
    11:30. He arrived around 11:00 and noticed several unusual things: there
    was blood on the front door handle, the back gate was opened, and several
    doors in the back of the house were opened. Hanley made his way to his
    mom’s room, saw blood and found her body. He was shocked and confused
    and immediately called 911.
    Everson asked if Hanley had a key to his mom’s house. Hanley did not;
    when he wanted to get in, he picked the lock with a small knife that he kept
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    in a planter box. Hanley volunteered that he was not “the only one that knew
    how to pick those locks,” and began talking about parties he hosted at his
    mom’s house. Anthony D. had invited people over who brought drugs and
    alcohol. Hanley did not think they should drink and drive, so he told them
    how to pick the locks so they could “crash” at his house. Hanley had several
    parties over a three-week period while his mom was away. Anthony D. was
    at every party. Anthony was a gang member who Hanley met at Crossroads.
    Hanley did not know where Anthony lived but had his phone number, which
    he had given to his mom because some things had been stolen from her home
    and she wanted to talk to Anthony about it. Hanley told the inspectors that
    he had warned Anthony that his mom was planning to get her things back
    and Anthony responded that he would kill Hanley’s mom to avoid having to
    go back to jail.
    Maffei asked Hanley where he had been the previous night. Hanley
    said he was at Crossroads with Ivan G. He spent the night in Ivan’s room
    because he had a nightmare. Hanley often had a nightmare where he felt
    breathing on his neck, which he attributed to the fact that he had been
    molested from the age of seven to thirteen by a neighbor who still lived
    behind his mom’s house. Hanley said that he had spent the last several days
    at Crossroads because he was not allowed to leave the facility unless he had
    an appointment. He spoke to his mom on the phone but had not seen her
    since the previous Friday when she came to Crossroads to drop off a needle
    and thread, so he could repair a rip in his shoe. Hanley showed the
    inspectors his shoe and Everson asked to see the bottom. At Everson’s
    request, Hanley also showed Maffei.
    Maffei said he was confused because Hanley had indicated that he was
    not allowed to leave Crossroads but then said that he and Anthony had
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    parties at Outin’s house. Hanley explained that he stopped going to
    Crossroads for about a month because he wanted to live at home. During
    that period he did not “go to school or anything,” he just had parties “day in-
    day out.” The inspectors asked when the last time Hanley was with his mom
    at her house. Hanley did not remember what date he was last at the house
    but recalled that it was two days after Outin returned from her trip. He had
    been told that if he went to the house again the police would be called on him,
    but then he called his mom and asked if he could pick up some things. She
    agreed that he could come over that day on the condition that he “put the
    computer back together” and give her Anthony’s phone number, which he did.
    Hanley acknowledged that he argued with his mom about things that
    he should not have been doing, like having the parties, not going to school
    and making stupid mistakes. They did not argue about drugs, although
    Hanley had taken many illegal drugs at the house when people brought them
    to his parties. While talking about the type of people who came to his parties,
    Hanley said that one guy had pulled a knife on him because he did not pay
    for some “crystal.” The conversation turned to Hanley’s knife collection,
    which he “hid” in the downstairs unit. Hanley appeared to enjoy talking
    about his knives and used a note pad to “draw them out.” Hanley hid his
    knives in the downstairs unit because he did not want anyone to take them,
    but he told Anthony D. and Anthony’s friends where the knives were even
    though he did not trust them.
    Everson asked Hanley, “what do you think happened to your Mom?”
    Hanley said he did not know, but he could think of four possible culprits: the
    neighbor who had molested him; Anthony; or the guy who had pulled a knife
    on him at his party and the guy’s friend, whose name was “Tank.” When
    Everson asked if Hanley’s mom had a problem with anyone, Hanley
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    responded that she had a problem with Anthony. Hanley admitted that his
    mom was “really” mad at him because she had trusted him and he broke that
    trust by letting people into her house. When Everson asked if that was a
    heavy burden Hanley responded that he had let his mom down before and
    she always forgave him.
    Everson asked how Hanley felt about his mom being dead. Hanley said
    he was shocked and upset and hoped the person who did it would get “the
    punishment . . . he deserves.” Everson suggested that maybe the person
    needed “help, not punishment,” which led to a discussion about how hard it is
    to live with guilt—guilt from killing someone and guilt from disappointing
    someone. Hanley said he had disappointed his mom so many times.
    Sometimes he just did not care and other times he had tried to kill himself
    because he felt so bad. He described some of his suicide attempts and how he
    used knives and razors to harm himself, showing the inspectors some fresh
    cuts on his hands.
    Hanley acknowledged that it was a “huge” disappointment to Outin
    that Hanley had parties at her house. He thought about hurting himself, but
    he decided to face her and talk to her about it. There was an “argument,” and
    his mom told him to “get the hell out of my house.” But after they talked
    more, Outin said Hanley could come home if he started going to school or
    work or did something productive with his life.
    Everson suggested again that the person who killed Outin might need
    help rather than punishment and said that the first step on the road to
    recovery is to admit what happened. Everson suggested there may have been
    an argument that got out of control. Hanley responded that Outin may have
    argued with Anthony D. He had told his mom to “talk nicely” if she did call
    Anthony because she tended to get really mad at people. When his mom got
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    angry at him, Hanley would try to be “the bigger person” and make her notice
    that she was wrong to yell. Everson said that if Hanley knew who had hurt
    his mom and told who that person was, they could help him because he would
    need help dealing with his guilt. After Hanley said, “[y]eah I know what you
    mean,” Everson asked “[w]hat happened.” Hanley said he did not know; that
    was what he was “trying to figure out.” Everson said he thought Hanley did
    know, but Hanley denied it.
    Everson asked if Hanley hurt his mom. Hanley responded, “No, I was
    at the Crossroads the whole entire time.” Maffei suggested the neighbors had
    seen Hanley near the house. He asked if Hanley understood that there is a
    “certain responsibility” that comes with committing a crime. Everson asked
    if Hanley needed help and said that Hanley seemed nervous. Hanley
    acknowledged needing help and then admitted that the knife that killed his
    mother was his knife. Everson asked why Hanley “use[d] it.” Hanley became
    non-responsive, but then said it was about “[r]espect.” He had always tried to
    live up to his mother’s expectations but never could. Hanley became non-
    responsive again, failing to answer when asked if he wanted to talk about
    what happened and if he understood why he was at the police station. The
    inspectors patiently repeated their questions, encouraged Hanley to relax,
    not to drift off and to have a conversation. Then Everson asked, “Did you
    hurt your Mother? Answer the question.” When Hanley did not respond,
    Everson said, “Tell me the truth,” and Hanley said, “Yes.”
    Everson told Hanley to look at him and said, “I have something I need
    to tell you, okay.” He asked if Hanley understood he was at the police
    station. Hanley said “[y]es,” then Everson advised Hanley of his “Miranda”
    rights. (See Miranda v. Arizona (1966) 
    384 U.S. 436
     (Miranda).) As Everson
    delivered the admonitions, Hanley interrupted, saying “Yes I know all that.”
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    After Everson completed the warnings, Hanley confirmed that he understood
    his rights.
    The inspectors started asking specific questions about what happened.
    Hanley either did not respond or gave non-substantive answers. Maffei
    acknowledged the situation was upsetting and suggested they talk about
    what happened after the incident. Hanley told the inspectors that he was not
    “the person to ask” about what happened, and he was not allowed to say the
    person’s name. Maffei asked if the person was somebody inside of Hanley,
    and asked if that person could answer their questions. Then Hanley began
    providing substantive responses and even altered his voice as the interview
    progressed.
    Hanley said that his friend Ivan told him to stab Outin, and Hanley did
    it because he wanted “respect.” Ivan did not participate in the attack, but
    waited outside Outin’s house. Ivan kept saying he wanted money and telling
    Hanley to get money from the house. Hanley told the inspectors that Ivan
    urged him to “[j]ust go in there, kill her and get it over with” because of all
    “the shit” that she had done to Hanley. He and Ivan had several
    conversations about this and Ivan told Hanley he would get at least half of
    Outin’s money or more if he killed her. Then one night they snuck out of
    Crossroads and went to Outin’s house. Hanley did not want to hurt his mom,
    but Ivan challenged him by calling him weak and questioning his power.
    When Hanley came outside after killing Outin, Ivan was proud and respected
    him. They went back to Crossroads, Hanley gave his clothes to Ivan and took
    a shower.
    When Hanley started to become non-responsive again, Maffei asked
    what Hanley was thinking and what the “voice inside” was telling him.
    Hanley said that the voice was telling him not to talk and was worried about
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    where he would end up. But then Hanley denied being tired and agreed that
    Everson could ask him another question, and the interrogation continued. At
    first, Hanley maintained that he was not sure what happened in his mother’s
    house, but then he told the inspectors that “he’s showing me.” Hanley stated
    that “he” took the knife, stabbed Outin in the head three times, and tried to
    strangle her, break her neck and cut her throat. Hanley wondered out loud
    why the person was showing him this and why the person had done this.
    The inspectors took a break, leaving Hanley alone in the interview
    room for several minutes. When Everson returned to the room, Hanley was
    sitting on the floor. Everson helped Hanley back into his chair and the
    interview continued. Everson asked what else the person that Hanley had
    described said or made him do. Hanley responded that the person told him
    he would get “everything [he] wanted,” respect, money, power, and
    immortality. Hanley said that “I didn’t stab her, he did.” That person
    accosted Outin while she was in her bed, she fought back, and he used
    Hanley’s hands to stab her and try to break her neck.
    The conversation turned to Hanley’s childhood and how Outin had
    mistreated him. Then Maffei asked what Hanley did with his clothes after he
    got back to Crossroads. Hanley responded that Ivan told him “how to do
    things,” suggesting ways he could kill Outin and how to clean up. Hanley
    said there were two people with him that night: Ivan, who waited outside the
    house; and another person who was inside of Hanley. This other person was
    “Jake the Devil” and he had been inside of Hanley for a few weeks, “[s]ince
    the party started.”
    Hanley said he went into his mother’s room and stabbed her in the
    head three times. She woke and got up “right away” and started screaming.
    She could not see Hanley because it was dark, and he wore a mask. Hanley
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    wore plastic bags on his hands, which he left in the room. But he went back
    later and retrieved them and the knife, which he had to pry out of his mom’s
    hand. Hanley put the bags and the knife in another plastic bag and threw it
    in a storm drain. He did not leave anything else at the house other than the
    handle of his knife, which broke off during the stabbing. Hanley agreed to
    show the inspectors the drain where he threw the knife. As they prepared to
    leave, Hanley asked what would happen to Ivan. Everson said that he could
    probably arrange for Hanley to see Ivan if he wanted to. After a brief
    hesitation, Hanley said that he did want to see Ivan.
    After the interview, Hanley directed Everson to the storm drain as they
    rode in the back of an unmarked police car driven by Inspector Cleary. When
    they arrived at the drain, Everson got out of the car and made arrangements
    to retrieve the evidence. While Hanley waited in the car, he told Cleary that
    he had done “something terrible to his mother” and he was going to have to
    face his family. Cleary asked what Hanley had done with his bloody clothes
    and he responded that he put them in a backpack and threw them in a
    garbage can on the street. From the storm drain, officers recovered a bag
    that contained a bloody knife, knife handle and pair of latex gloves.
    After the inspectors returned Hanley to the police station, he was put
    in an interview room with Ivan G. When they were alone, Hanley said “I did
    it. I confessed. It’s weird.” Ivan said that he did not want to confess and told
    Hanley, “[s]o I don’t know where you live. Nothin. Nothin. I just, I just been
    to your house once and that was a long time ago.” Ivan called Hanley
    “stupid,” and asked what the police had said. Hanley responded that the
    police thought he was “completely insane.” Ivan asked Hanley to confirm
    that Ivan had never asked him “anything about money.” Hanley agreed and
    then said the police had “caught [him] right away,” and he “couldn’t lie”
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    because the neighbor had seen him. Hanley said the neighbor saw him and
    Ivan leave the house. Ivan told Hanley to shut up. He said he did not know
    anything “about this shit” and was “totally unaware of everything.” Hanley
    nodded his agreement.
    Hanley told Ivan he was going to jail that night. Ivan called Hanley
    stupid again and asked “[w]hy’d you do it?” Hanley said he did it for respect.
    Ivan told Hanley, “[y]ou’re done.” Hanley responded that he would probably
    get “a lifetime of psychiatric probation, five years in jail” or one year if he was
    “lucky.” He said he was not “getting any lawyers,” he would just “take
    whatever,” and that his conscience was “clear now.”
    Ivan expressed disbelief about the situation. He said he had thought
    Hanley was just a “nice kid” who liked to play video games. Hanley wanted
    to know what Ivan thought of him now and Ivan responded, “Crazy man.
    What [is] your problem?” Hanley asked if Ivan would tell Anthony about
    what happened and then said, “I’ve been possessed.” Ivan said he was scared
    of Hanley, and the two exchanged quips about whether Hanley might try to
    do something to Ivan.
    II. Hanley’s Defense
    At trial, the defense conceded that Hanley killed Outin and lied about
    it afterward but argued that he lacked the mental state to commit first
    degree murder. The defense argued that Hanley was guilty of manslaughter,
    or second degree murder at most, because his mental illness and lifetime of
    physical and emotional abuse caused him to decompensate to the point that
    he did not intend to kill Outin. The defense presented evidence that Hanley
    has suffered many traumas from the time he was an infant and struggled
    with mental health issues for many years. This evidence was presented by
    percipient witnesses who had provided services to Hanley and his family, as
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    well as expert witnesses who offered opinions about Hanley’s mental health
    problems.
    The defense focused on problems between Outin and Hanley to argue
    that Outin provoked Hanley to commit murder. Three defense witnesses
    were affiliated with a county mental health facility where Hanley received
    services when he was 12 and 13 years old. During that period, a concern
    arose that Hanley was being emotionally abused by Outin, who was perceived
    as punitive, authoritarian and openly critical of Hanley. The matter was
    referred to social services for consideration of an out-of-home placement, but
    that recommendation was not followed.
    Another component of Hanley’s defense focused on Ivan G. The defense
    argued that Ivan used Hanley as a tool and exploited his desperate need for
    acceptance. As support for this theory, the defense presented testimony from
    two former Crossroads residents who lived at the facility with Hanley and
    Ivan, Seth B. and Nancy M. Seth testified there were few rules at Crossroads
    and they were not enforced. The facility was locked at night, but it was easy
    to come and go. Seth recalled that Hanley was naïve and impressionable,
    while Ivan was a bully who acted like he was in a gang. Ivan played pranks
    and “messed” with other residents, including Hanley. Seth recounted an
    incident when Ivan convinced Hanley to allow Ivan to sodomize him with a
    stick by pretending it was a gang initiation. Seth also recalled that in early
    2004, Hanley began playing video games obsessively. When Seth asked
    Hanley about it, he said he was preparing to kill his mother. Nancy M.
    testified about a statement she gave to police on April 16, 2004. Nancy could
    not remember much about the incident but her recorded statement was
    admitted into evidence. In that statement Nancy attempted to give Ivan an
    alibi and told the police that she and Ivan were together when Hanley
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    confessed to them that he killed Outin, but Nancy’s timeline did not match
    with the facts.
    The defense also relied on the prosecution evidence, including
    statements Hanley and Ivan made to the police. During closing argument,
    defense counsel urged the jury to find that the circumstantial evidence
    pointed toward innocence rather than guilt because it supported finding that
    Ivan was in the house when Outin was killed and that he manipulated
    Hanley and directed Hanley’s actions.
    III. Jury Verdicts
    The jury began deliberations on May 13, 2016. Over several days, they
    requested clarification regarding the meaning of the terms “provocation,”
    “deliberately,” and “conscious . . . disregard.” On May 23, the jury sent a note
    stating they could not reach a verdict on first degree murder, but were close
    to a verdict on second degree murder. The court responded that the jury
    could consider the issues in whatever order they wished and that the court
    could not accept a verdict as to second degree murder unless all of the jurors
    agreed that the defendant was not guilty of first degree murder. On May 24,
    the jury returned verdicts finding Hanley not guilty of first degree murder
    but guilty of second degree murder. (§ 187, subd. (a).) They found true an
    allegation Hanley personally used a deadly and dangerous weapon. (§ 12022,
    subd. (b)(1).)
    IV. Sanity Phase
    On May 26, 2016, court reconvened for the sanity phase of Hanley’s
    trial. Both sides elicited testimony from their respective experts. The jury
    began deliberating on June 2. On the morning of June 8, the jury advised the
    court they were unable to reach a unanimous verdict and a mistrial was
    declared.
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    A second sanity phase was postponed for reasons that are not clear
    from the record. At some point, the parties stipulated to a court trial, which
    began on November 30, 2018. The parties agreed that the court could
    consider all evidence presented in earlier phases of the trial. They presented
    additional testimony over seven court days before delivering closing
    arguments on December 17. On December 18, 2018, the court found that
    Hanley was sane when he committed his offense.
    DISCUSSION
    I. Suppression Issues
    Hanley contends that all of his incriminating statements and their
    “fruit” should have been suppressed because the police violated his
    constitutional rights under the Fourth and Fifth Amendments. “Although
    often factually overlapping, the exclusion of evidence under the Fourth and
    Fifth Amendments serves different constitutional objectives.” (People v.
    Jenkins (2004) 
    122 Cal.App.4th 1160
    , 1170 (Jenkins).) Evidence is excluded
    under the Fourth Amendment in order to deter police misconduct while the
    exclusion of evidence under the Fifth Amendment protects “ ‘the suspect’s
    right against compulsory self-incrimination.’ ” (Ibid.) In the present case,
    separate consideration of these distinct issues is appropriate for the
    additional reason that Hanley did not make a Fourth Amendment claim in
    the lower court.
    “ ‘ “The scope of our review of constitutional claims of this nature is well
    established. We must accept the trial court’s resolution of disputed facts and
    inferences, and its evaluations of credibility, if they are substantially
    supported. [Citations.] However, we must independently determine from the
    undisputed facts, and those properly found by the trial court, whether the
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    challenged statement was illegally obtained.” ’ ” (Jenkins, supra, 122
    Cal.App.4th at p. 1170.)
    A. Additional Background
    1. Hanley’s Motion
    In 2008, Hanley filed a motion to suppress evidence obtained in
    violation of the Fifth, Sixth and Fourteenth Amendments. He argued that
    the inspectors violated his rights by: failing to deliver Miranda warnings
    before initiating a custodial interrogation; employing a two-step interrogation
    technique designed to elicit a confession before advising Hanley of his
    Miranda rights; and engaging in coercive tactics throughout the
    interrogation. Consequently, the defense sought to suppress the entire
    interview conducted by Everson and Maffei, evidence seized from the storm
    drain, and Hanley’s recorded conversation with Ivan G.
    In 2010, the court held an evidentiary hearing on Hanley’s suppression
    motion but did not issue a ruling. In March 2012, the motion was assigned to
    Judge Massullo, who conducted a new evidentiary hearing. The court
    admitted extensive documentary evidence and exhibits, including audio and
    video recordings and transcripts covering the entire period that Hanley was
    in the interview room at the Hall of Justice on April 15, 2004. Pursuant to
    the parties’ stipulation, the court considered transcripts of testimony from
    the following witnesses who had testified at the 2010 hearing: Officer
    Morgante, Inspector Jones, Inspector Cleary, and Dr. Richard Ofshe.
    Morgante: Officer Morgante transported Hanley to the Hall of Justice
    at the request of Sergeant Bosch. Morgante testified that he put handcuffs
    on Hanley before the transport as a safety protocol because he was alone in
    the car with Hanley, and because he did not know how Hanley was involved
    in the homicide investigation.
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    Jones: Inspector Jones was at the Hall of Justice when he was notified
    that a person was being brought to the station in connection with a homicide.
    Jones testified that he did not know if the person was a witness or a suspect.
    He set up video equipment in an interview room and started running the
    video before Morgante arrived with Hanley. Upon their arrival, Jones
    escorted Hanley to the interview room and checked to see if he needed
    anything. Jones was present when an inspector from “crime scenes” came to
    take Hanley’s DNA. Jones testified that he did not put in the order to collect
    Hanley’s DNA. Nor did he order a “cable query” for Hanley, but he
    acknowledged that one was generated at 12:35 p.m. on April 15, 2004. A
    cable query reports a person’s prior contacts with the police. Hanley’s cable
    query was run at the Ingleside Station, not at the Hall of Justice.
    Cleary: On the evening of April 15, 2004, Inspector Cleary assisted
    with the investigation of Outin’s homicide. After Cleary was told that Hanley
    had waived his Miranda rights, he drove Everson and Hanley to the storm
    drain. Hanley directed them where to go. Cleary waited in the car with
    Hanley, who made an unsolicited statement that he felt terrible about what
    he had done to his mother. Then Cleary asked about Hanley’s clothes and
    Hanley said he put them in a backpack and threw them in a garbage can.
    Ofshe: Dr. Ofshe, a social psychology professor, testified as a defense
    expert on the subject of influence used during police investigations. Ofshe
    testified that the police made Hanley feel powerless by detaining him at the
    scene, transporting him in handcuffs, taking his DNA and making him wait
    to be questioned. Then, Ofshe opined, the inspectors used a psychologically
    coercive interrogation technique to elicit a confession by making an offer of
    leniency that induced Hanley to adopt their suggestion to act like he had a
    multiple personality disorder.
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    At the 2012 evidentiary hearing, the court heard live testimony from
    Officer Etcheveste, Inspector Suyehiro, Inspector Maffei, Inspector Everson
    and Dr. Gregory.
    Etcheveste: When Officer Etcheveste arrived at the crime scene,
    Sergeant Bosch told him to stand with Hanley while Bosch and other officers
    conducted a sweep of the house. Bosch did not tell Etcheveste to physically
    restrain Hanley and there was no other officer in the vicinity who could
    potentially have prevented Hanley from leaving. Etcheveste did not
    physically restrain Hanley or order him to stay. Nor did Hanley try to get up
    and leave. Etcheveste did not attempt to block Hanley from moving or take
    any action that, in his experience, would have constituted a detention. He
    made small talk with Hanley, but did not ask him any questions.
    At the suppression hearing, Etcheveste was shown a Computer
    Assisted Dispatch report (CAD), which stated that shortly after Sergeant
    Bosch arrived at Outin’s house, he made a report to dispatch that he had one
    person detained at the scene. Etcheveste testified that when he was at the
    crime scene, Bosch did not tell him Hanley had been detained. After
    Etcheveste went back to his station at Ingleside, Bosch directed him to write
    in his report that Bosch had detained Hanley.
    Suyehiro: Inspector Suyehiro collected DNA evidence from Hanley’s
    mouth and fingertips at around 1:35 p.m. on April 15, 2004. The procedure
    was recorded and a copy of the recording was admitted into evidence. Jones
    accompanied Suyehiro into the room and removed Hanley’s handcuffs.
    Suyehiro described the collection procedure to Hanley before taking samples.
    Hanley asked a question about the oral swabs, which Suyehiro answered and
    then asked if that was “okay.” Hanley answered “yeah.” After Suyehiro took
    the swab samples, he asked Hanley to sign a form to indicate that he
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    voluntarily gave his DNA, telling Hanley that this would show his
    “cooperation.” Hanley signed the form without expressing hesitation. At the
    suppression hearing, Suyehiro testified that he collected Hanley’s DNA at the
    request of Inspector Jones, and that it was collected without a court order.
    Everson: When Inspectors Everson and Maffei were dispatched to the
    scene of Outin’s homicide, the dispatcher did not advise them that a person
    had been detained. At the scene, Sergeant Bosch pointed out Hanley, who
    was sitting with Scott, and told the inspectors Hanley was the victim’s son
    and the person who called 911. Bosch did not say that anybody had been
    detained or arrested. When Everson went to the neighbor’s steps to talk with
    Hanley, he viewed Hanley as a witness. The inspectors asked if Hanley was
    willing to come to the Hall of Justice to provide a statement without exerting
    pressure on him to agree. Everson asked Bosch to arrange a ride for Hanley,
    but did not tell anybody to restrain Hanley, nor did he tell anybody that
    Hanley had been detained or arrested.
    Everson testified that Scott gave the inspectors background
    information about Hanley before he left the crime scene. Initially, Everson
    did not recall having this conversation, but his memory was refreshed with
    Maffei’s contemporaneous notes. Scott reported that Hanley was “disabled”
    and lived in a halfway house at Crossroads, and that Outin had recently gone
    to Europe for about four weeks.
    When Everson viewed the crime scene, his first thought was a burglary
    had gone bad. But he acknowledged under cross-examination that there was
    no indication that items had been stacked together as if someone was
    planning to steal things, and only a few rooms were disturbed. He also
    acknowledged that the circumstances he observed in the house raised the
    possibility of domestic violence, which is a major contributor to homicides.
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    As part of their crime scene investigation, the inspectors interviewed
    several neighbors who expressed concern about Hanley and his relationship
    with Outin. Hanley was described variously as strange, inappropriate,
    violent, and a troublemaker. The inspectors were told that Hanley had
    emotional problems, and that he and Outin had loud fights. One neighbor
    reported that when he saw police cars at the house, he assumed Hanley had
    killed Outin or himself. Another neighbor, who was a close friend of Outin,
    was sure Hanley did not kill his mom. But Outin’s friend was candid about
    Hanley’s mental health problems and reported that he had tried to burn the
    house down when he was 12 years old. This friend also reported that
    Anthony D. was Hanley’s roommate at Crossroads and Hanley said he was a
    “gangbanger.”
    Everson testified that a cable report of Hanley’s prior police contacts
    that was generated on the early afternoon of April 15 showed that Hanley
    was the subject of a 2002 “Tarasoff report.” Everson was aware that a doctor
    is required to make a Tarasoff report when a patient threatens to harm
    someone, but he testified that he did not see Hanley’s cable report until after
    Hanley’s interview. Nor was Everson aware, prior to the interview, that
    Hanley was handcuffed and swabbed for DNA. An officer at the crime scene
    must have ordered the DNA test but it was not Everson or Maffei. Everson
    acknowledged that officers at the Hall of Justice had treated Hanley as if he
    was a suspect, but he testified that he would not have treated Hanley that
    way. While Everson was at the crime scene, he did not communicate with
    officers at the Hall of Justice.
    Everson testified that when the inspectors arrived at the Hall of Justice
    at around 4:00 p.m., Hanley was waiting for them in the interview room,
    alone and unrestrained. At the beginning of the interview, they did not
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    advise Hanley of his rights because at that point Hanley was not a suspect,
    was not in custody, and was free to leave. During the interview, Hanley
    made statements that cast suspicion on himself, which led the inspectors to
    focus on Hanley’s relationship with his mother. Once Hanley admitted that
    he hurt his mother, Everson advised him of his Miranda rights. Prior to that
    disclosure, Everson testified, the inspectors did not have grounds to detain or
    arrest Hanley.
    Everson testified that he was not familiar with a two-step interview
    technique police interrogators use to withhold Miranda warnings when they
    are warranted. He had not received training about that tactic and never used
    it himself. Everson did know about a tactic for “softening up” a suspect
    before beginning an interview, but he did not use that tactic when he
    interviewed Hanley. Everson testified that the inspectors never threatened
    Hanley or promised him leniency.
    Maffei: When Maffei arrived at the crime scene, Hanley was sitting on
    the steps with his family counselor and was not restrained. Maffei asked to
    speak with Hanley because he was a witness who found his mother dead in
    the house. Nobody told Maffei that Hanley was detained. Maffei did not
    issue any order or directive to Hanley but asked if he would come to the
    station to give his statement. Maffei did not want to have that conversation
    at the scene for privacy reasons and because he wanted access to recording
    equipment and other resources at the Hall of Justice. After Hanley agreed to
    come to the station and accepted the offer of a ride, Maffei did not tell any
    officer at the scene that Hanley had been detained. Nor was Maffei aware at
    the time that Hanley was transported in handcuffs or that he was swabbed
    for DNA. Maffei did not instruct anyone to place Hanley under arrest,
    handcuff him or restrain him in any way.
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    At the 2012 hearing, Maffei could not remember much about the
    information the inspectors gathered before they interviewed Hanley. Under
    cross-examination, he acknowledged knowing about Hanley’s knife collection,
    which included an empty sheath, and that all of the neighbors had focused on
    Hanley without identifying any other possible suspect. Maffei did not run the
    cable inquiry about Hanley and did not recall when he saw it. Nor did he see
    Etcheveste’s report prior to Hanley’s interview.
    Maffei testified that when the interview began, he considered Hanley to
    be a witness, not a suspect. In Maffei’s mind, Hanley was not under arrest or
    detained and was free to leave. As the interview progressed, Hanley made
    statements that led the officers to probe whether he had been involved in the
    crime. Once Hanley disclosed that he hurt his mother, he was no longer free
    to leave and was advised of his Miranda rights. Maffei knew about an
    interview technique that involved making oneself “likeable” before
    administering Miranda warnings so that a subject would feel comfortable
    and free to speak, but he did not use that technique with Hanley. Nor did
    Maffei ever threaten Hanley or make any promise of leniency.
    Gregory: Dr. Gregory is a clinical neuropsychologist who was retained
    by the defense to evaluate Hanley in 2007 and 2008. At the suppression
    hearing, Gregory testified that Hanley’s mental deficits and history of
    childhood trauma are well documented in his records. Gregory offered the
    opinion that Hanley suffers from PTSD and that he is not malingering in
    presenting with cognitive deficits. Gregory also opined that when the
    inspectors interviewed Hanley in April 2004, he was experiencing symptoms
    of anxiety and dissociation that caused a decline in his cognitive function and
    impacted his judgment.
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    2. The Trial Court’s Rulings
    On June 11, 2012, Judge Massullo denied Hanley’s suppression motion,
    announcing her decision at a hearing scheduled for that purpose. In reaching
    its decision, the court made the following findings:
    First, Hanley was not detained at the murder scene. He was not
    subject to any physical restraint when he made unsolicited comments in front
    of Etcheveste. And he was still unrestrained and making voluntary choices
    when he agreed to go down to the station to give the inspectors his statement
    and accepted their offer of a ride.
    Second, Hanley was not taken into custody at the Hall of Justice.
    Crediting Morgante’s testimony, the court found that Hanley was placed in
    handcuffs because of officer safety concerns, not because he was a suspect.
    The court also relied on evidence that after DNA samples were taken, Hanley
    was asked to sign a release form. Because this after-the-fact release was
    invalid, the court suppressed the DNA evidence. However, this interaction
    was an objective indication that Hanley was made aware that his cooperation
    was not required.
    Third, the court made an alternative finding that if Hanley was taken
    into custody prior to the inspectors’ arrival at the Hall of Justice, Hanley’s
    confession was not the fruit of an unlawful arrest. In addressing this issue,
    the court made an initial finding that officers did not have probable cause to
    arrest Hanley when they took his DNA. It went on to find, however, that
    Hanley’s conduct after the DNA removal showed that he made the voluntary
    choice to wait for the inspectors and give them his statement. The court
    based this finding on evidence that Hanley signed the consent form after he
    was told it would signify his cooperation. Moreover, he was no longer in
    handcuffs and remained unrestrained in the interview room while he waited
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    for the inspectors. During that time, he slept for about an hour, and people
    checked in with him, asking if he was okay, if he wanted a soda, or to use the
    bathroom, or if he needed anything. Hanley never inquired about the wait,
    asked to leave or made any request other than to go to the bathroom.
    Escorting him to the bathroom was common practice, the court found, in light
    of security issues at a police station.
    Fourth, the inspectors did not employ a two-step interview strategy
    designed to circumvent Miranda. The court based this finding on the
    testimony of Everson and Maffei, finding both officers were credible. The
    court also found that the inspectors’ activities at the crime scene and the
    information they gathered prior to returning to the Hall of Justice were
    consistent with their testimony that Hanley was a witness not a suspect
    when the interview began. Moreover, when the inspectors arrived at the
    station, they were not aware that Hanley had been handcuffed or that his
    DNA was taken, so they were “simply carrying on . . . from where they left
    off” by talking to Hanley as “a witness, a very important witness, about what
    happened at the scene.”
    Fifth, Hanley’s confession was voluntary and not coerced under the
    totality of the circumstances. Suggesting that the person who killed Outin
    needed help not punishment was not an offer of leniency, the court found.
    Statements Hanley made prior to the Miranda warnings were far less
    incriminating than statements he made afterwards. And, Hanley understood
    his rights, and knew those rights even before the Miranda warnings were
    given.
    Finally, the storm drain evidence and Hanley’s conversation with Ivan
    were not fruits of a poisonous tree. Not only was Hanley’s confession
    voluntary, but he decided to go to the storm drain after he had been
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    Mirandized and booked. Nor had the defense shown that there was anything
    improper about recording Hanley’s conversation with Ivan.2
    B. Analysis of Fifth Amendment Issues
    Hanley contends that the trial court erred by failing to suppress all
    evidence of his April 15 interview because (1) his Miranda rights were
    violated; (2) coercive interrogation tactics rendered his entire statement
    involuntary; and (3) the court disregarded expert testimony establishing that
    Hanley was coerced.
    The Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination may be invoked
    to preclude the admission of involuntary pretrial confessions or other
    incriminating statements made by a defendant during coercive police
    interrogation. (Dickerson v. U.S. (2000) 
    530 U.S. 428
    , 433–435; Oregon v.
    Elstad (1985) 
    470 U.S. 298
    , 304 (Elstad).) “A determination of the
    voluntariness of a defendant’s statements must be based upon the totality of
    the circumstances, including whether defendant was read and understood his
    Miranda rights, defendant’s maturity, education and mental health, and any
    elements of coercion in the interrogation, the length of the interrogation, and
    its location.” (Jenkins, supra, 122 Cal.App.4th at p. 1171.)
    1. The Miranda Violation
    The first issue raised by Hanley’s Fifth Amendment claim is whether
    inspectors violated his rights by failing to give him Miranda warnings at the
    beginning of the April 15 interview. Unlike the trial court, we conclude that
    a Miranda violation did occur.
    2In 2018, Hanley sought reconsideration of his suppression motion by
    Judge Chan, the trial judge in this case. Judge Chan held a hearing on the
    matter and denied Hanley’s motion.
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    “In Miranda, the United States Supreme Court held that the Fifth
    Amendment privilege against self-incrimination prevents the prosecution
    from using ‘statements, whether exculpatory or inculpatory, stemming from
    custodial interrogation of the defendant unless it demonstrates the use of
    procedural safeguards effective to secure the privilege against self-
    incrimination.’ [Citation.] The court was concerned that, without these
    procedural safeguards, the ‘inherently compelling pressures’ of custodial
    interrogation might induce suspects to speak where they normally would
    not.” (People v. Bejasa (2012) 
    205 Cal.App.4th 26
    , 34 (Bejasa), quoting
    Miranda, 
    supra,
     384 U.S. at pp. 444 & 467.)
    “Because a Miranda warning is only required once custodial
    interrogation begins, the defendant must necessarily have been in custody in
    order to assert a violation.” (Bejasa, supra, 205 Cal.App.4th at p. 35.) Here,
    the trial court found that Hanley was not in custody when inspectors began
    interviewing him on the afternoon of April 15, 2004. That finding was error.
    “Custody determinations are resolved by an objective standard: Would
    a reasonable person interpret the restraints used by the police as tantamount
    to a formal arrest? [Citations.] The totality of the circumstances
    surrounding an incident must be considered as a whole.” (People v. Pilster
    (2006) 
    138 Cal.App.4th 1395
    , 1403–1404, fn. omitted (Pilster).) “[W]e look at
    the interplay and combined effect of all the circumstances to determine
    whether on balance they created a coercive atmosphere such that a
    reasonable person would have experienced a restraint tantamount to an
    arrest.” (People v. Aguilera (1996) 
    51 Cal.App.4th 1151
    , 1162 (Aguilera).)
    “Although no one factor is controlling, the following circumstances
    should be considered: ‘(1) [W]hether the suspect has been formally arrested;
    (2) absent formal arrest, the length of the detention; (3) the location; (4) the
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    ratio of officers to suspects; and (5) the demeanor of the officer, including the
    nature of the questioning.’ ” (Pilster, supra, 138 Cal.App.4th at p. 1403.)
    Courts also consider “whether the suspect agreed to the interview and was
    informed he or she could terminate the questioning, whether police informed
    the person he or she was considered a witness or suspect, whether there were
    restrictions on the suspect’s freedom of movement during the interview, and
    whether police officers dominated and controlled the interrogation or were
    ‘aggressive, confrontational, and/or accusatory.’ ” (Id. at pp. 1403–1404.)
    Importantly, the views and beliefs of officers involved in the incident are
    relevant only if those “ ‘views or beliefs were somehow manifested to the
    individual under interrogation and would have affected how a reasonable
    person in that position would perceive his or her freedom to leave.’ ” (People
    v. Stansbury (1995) 
    9 Cal.4th 824
    , 830.)
    Here, Hanley initiated contact with the police by calling 911.
    Moreover, the record supports the trial court’s findings that Hanley was not
    detained at the crime scene, that he consented to give a statement at the
    station, and that he accepted the offer of a ride. But Hanley was transported
    to the station in handcuffs, and when he arrived officers did not remove his
    handcuffs until they took his DNA without his prior consent. Then they had
    him wait in a police interrogation room for several hours without ever telling
    him that he was free to leave. Considered together, these circumstances
    would make a reasonable person experience restraint that was tantamount to
    a detention or arrest. Thus, under the totality of the circumstances, Hanley
    was in custody and entitled to a Miranda warning when the stationhouse
    interview began.
    Resisting our conclusion, the People contend that by the time Hanley’s
    interview began, a reasonable person would have felt free to terminate the
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    police encounter. Because the Miranda inquiry turns on “the degree of
    coercive restraint to which a reasonable citizen believes he is subject at the
    time of questioning,” it is possible for officers to “sufficiently attenuate an
    initial display of force” that was used to effectuate a temporary detention “so
    that no Miranda warnings are required when questions are asked.” (People
    v. Taylor (1986) 
    178 Cal.App.3d 217
    , 230, italics in initial quote omitted.)
    Here, the People argue that the use of handcuffs to transport Hanley to the
    Hall of Justice did not transform the consensual encounter into a custody
    situation because after the cuffs were removed officers treated Hanley like a
    witness who had agreed to give a statement rather than a suspect.
    The trial court was persuaded by the People’s argument. Based on its
    review of the interview room video, the court found that even if Hanley
    experienced an initial restraint of his liberty, he was not in custody when the
    inspectors began their interview because after the cuffs were removed,
    “sufficient time” passed before the inspectors arrived at the station and,
    during that period, Hanley was treated like a witness and not like a person
    who was in custody. We disagree with this reasoning. Police investigators do
    not collect DNA samples from mere witnesses. And, under these facts, the
    passage of time was not a factor that would lead a reasonable person to
    believe that he was no longer being restrained. After the handcuffs were
    removed, Hanley was not in a public place but in an interrogation room at a
    police station where nobody told him that he was free to leave. Although
    Hanley was not mistreated, that factor is hardly dispositive. Hanley was
    restrained with handcuffs for close to an hour, officers took DNA without his
    prior consent, and then left him to wait in a police interview room for several
    hours. Each of these events would be perceived reasonably as a display of
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    authority by law enforcement, and in combination they conveyed a clear
    message that Hanley was not free to leave.
    The People rely on In re Joseph R. (1998) 
    65 Cal.App.4th 954
    . In that
    case, an officer who was investigating a complaint that two boys threw rocks
    at a bus questioned a boy while standing outside the home of the boy’s friend.
    (Id. at pp. 956–957.) After placing the boy in handcuffs and putting him in
    the back of a patrol car for five minutes, the officer took the boy out of the car,
    removed the cuffs, and questioned him about the rock throwing complaint.
    (Id. at p. 957.) The boy’s acknowledgement that “ ‘it was a pretty dumb thing
    for us to do’ ” was admitted into evidence at a subsequent court proceeding.
    (Ibid.) Warnings and waivers required by Miranda did not apply, the court
    found, because the brief detention to facilitate the officer’s investigation was
    justified, the minor was released from the temporary restraint before the
    officer questioned him, the minor was not told that he was under arrest or
    had to answer questions, and after the brief encounter, the officer left the
    scene alone. (Id. at pp. 957 & 961.)
    Joseph R. does not apply to the facts of this case. Using handcuffs
    while transporting Hanley may have been an appropriate safety precaution,
    but the cuffs were not removed until approximately 45 minutes after Hanley
    arrived at the Hall of Justice, and it appears that the reason the cuffs were
    removed was so that Inspector Suyehiro could take DNA samples without
    Hanley’s prior consent. Nor was this a brief encounter in a public place.
    When Hanley’s handcuffs were removed, officers left him in an interview
    room at a police station. And although they asked if Hanley was doing okay,
    they did not do anything to indicate that he was free to leave. Courts have
    found that brief handcuffing is not indicative of a formal arrest when, for
    example, an “interviewing officer informed the detainee the handcuffs were
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    temporary and solely for safety purposes,” or the “officers considered the
    detainee only a witness in the investigation and advised the detainee he or
    she could decline to answer their questions.” (Pilster, supra, 138 Cal.App.4th
    at p. 1404.) Absent such “mitigating facts” handcuffing “is a distinguishing
    feature of a formal arrest.” (Id. at pp. 1404–1405.)
    The People argue that circumstances pertaining to the interrogation
    itself and the manner in which it was conducted support the trial court’s
    finding that Hanley was not in custody during the pre-Miranda phase of the
    interview. According to this argument, the inspectors treated Hanley like a
    witness, the encounter was “relaxed,” the conversation “meandered,” and
    there was “no confrontational questioning that would overtly telegraph that
    appellant’s freedom of movement was restricted.”
    The manner in which an interrogation is conducted is relevant to the
    custody inquiry; courts consider whether the questioners were aggressive,
    confrontational, or accusatory. (Aguilera, supra, 51 Cal.App.4th at p. 1162.)
    But they also consider the length of the interrogation and whether the police
    informed the person that he was free to terminate the interview and leave at
    any time. (Ibid.) Here, the pre-Miranda part of the interview was long,
    Hanley was never told that he was free to leave, and the officers’ patient
    persistence in seeking answers when Hanley stopped responding to questions
    were all objective indications that Hanley was not free to terminate the
    encounter. (Compare Green v. Superior Court (1985) 
    40 Cal.3d 126
    , 131
    [officer’s request that defendant accompany him to the office for an interview
    included assurance that defendant could leave at “ ‘any time’ ”]; People v.
    Spears (1991) 
    228 Cal.App.3d 1
    , 22 [defendant told he was free to leave “on
    several occasions during the time he spent with the detectives”].)
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    Under the totality of the circumstances, Hanley was in custody when
    the April 15 interview began. However, we conclude that the erroneous
    admission of statements Hanley made during the pre-Miranda portion of his
    interview was harmless beyond a reasonable doubt. (See People v. Thomas
    (2011) 
    51 Cal.4th 449
    , 498.) During that part of the interview, Hanley
    attempted to shore up his narrative that Anthony D. was the killer, a story
    he first told Maria F. and then repeated to the 911 operator and to
    Etcheveste. When that narrative broke down, and Hanley admitted that he
    had “hurt” his mother, he was advised of his Miranda rights and waived
    them. Then he provided a detailed confession with a completely different
    narrative. Since statements that should have been excluded under Miranda
    were largely redundant of other trial evidence and materially less
    incriminating than the confession Hanley made after waiving his Miranda
    rights, admission of the unwarned statements was harmless error if Hanley’s
    post-Miranda statements were properly admitted.
    2. Post-Miranda Statements Were Admissible
    Hanley contends that his post-Miranda confession should have been
    suppressed because the inspectors: (1) used an impermissible two-step
    interrogation technique to deliberately circumvent Miranda; and (2) coerced
    Hanley’s confession by promising him leniency.
    A Miranda violation does not render inadmissible statements made
    later after proper admonishments. “ ‘[A]bsent deliberately coercive or
    improper tactics in obtaining the initial statement, the mere fact that a
    suspect has made an unwarned admission does not warrant a presumption of
    compulsion.’ ” (People v. Storm (2002) 
    28 Cal.4th 1007
    , 1030–1031 (Storm),
    quoting Elstad, 
    supra,
     470 U.S. at p. 314.) When police provide Miranda
    warnings in the middle of an interview, “the admissibility of any subsequent
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    statement [depends] solely on whether it is knowingly and voluntarily made.”
    (Elstad, at p. 309.) Courts should assume the subsequent statement is made
    knowingly and voluntarily unless the police engaged in “coercive or improper
    tactics in obtaining the initial statement.” (Id. at p. 314.)
    The Elstad presumption of voluntariness is undermined, however,
    when a “two-step interrogation technique” is used by officers “in a calculated
    way to undermine the Miranda warning.” (Missouri v. Seibert (2004) 
    542 U.S. 600
    , 622 (Seibert) (conc. opn. of Kennedy, J.).) In Seibert, an officer who
    was conducting a custodial interrogation of a murder suspect elicited a
    confession that the defendant intended to kill the victim, then he Mirandized
    the defendant and used her unwarned statement to pressure her to make the
    same confession again. (Seibert, at pp. 605–606 (plur. opn. of Souter, J.).) At
    a subsequent suppression hearing, the officer testified that he “made a
    ‘conscious decision’ to withhold Miranda warnings” until he got the answer
    he wanted and then, after warning the defendant, to “repeat the question”
    until he got “ ‘the answer that she’s already provided.’ ” (Ibid.) The trial
    court suppressed the defendant’s prewarning statements but admitted her
    postwarning confession at a trial where she was convicted of second degree
    murder. A divided Missouri Supreme Court reversed the conviction, finding
    that the defendant’s postwarning confession was involuntary because it was
    the product of the first unwarned confession, and “distinguish[ing] Elstad on
    the ground that warnings had not intentionally been withheld there.” (Ibid.)
    The United States Supreme Court affirmed, albeit without a majority
    opinion.
    Joined by three others, Justice Souter concluded that in all two-stage
    interrogation cases, the admissibility of warned statements depends on
    whether delivery of midstream Miranda warnings could reasonably be found
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    effective under the facts of the particular case. (Seibert, supra, 542 U.S. at
    pp. 611–612 (plur. opn. of Souter, J.).) Justice Kennedy, concurring in the
    judgment, rejected the plurality’s test as too broad, concluding instead that
    the Elstad presumption of voluntariness applies to postwarning statements
    unless the police used a deliberate “two-step interrogation technique . . . in a
    calculated way to undermine the Miranda warning.” (Id. at pp. 621–622.)
    Justice Kennedy found that the deliberate use of this tactic renders
    “postwarning statements that are related to the substance of prewarning
    statements [inadmissible] unless curative measures are taken before the
    postwarning statement is made.” (Ibid.) “Because Justice Kennedy
    ‘concurred in the judgment[] on the narrowest grounds’ [citation], his
    concurring opinion represents the Seibert holding.” (People v. Camino (2010)
    
    188 Cal.App.4th 1359
    , 1370 (Camino); see also People v. Rios (2009) 
    179 Cal.App.4th 491
    , 504 [collecting cases]; cf. People v. Krebs (2019) 
    8 Cal.5th 265
    , 309 (Krebs) [declining to decide if plurality opinion or Justice Kennedy’s
    concurrence “provides the controlling standard” when the result was the
    same under either test].)
    Here the trial court made an express finding that the inspectors did not
    engage in a deliberate two-step interrogation process to evade the protections
    of Miranda. We defer to the court’s finding as it is supported by substantial
    evidence. (Camino, supra, 188 Cal.App.4th at p. 1372; People v. Delgado
    (2018) 
    27 Cal.App.5th 1092
    , 1105 & 1106 (Delgado).) In contrast to Seibert,
    the officers in this case testified that they did not use the tactic, nor is there
    any evidence that the tactic was a department policy. (Compare Seibert,
    
    supra,
     542 U.S. at p. 606.) And, while the officer in Seibert admitted that he
    delayed giving Miranda warnings when they were warranted, the inspectors
    in this case testified unequivocally that they did not believe Miranda
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    warnings were required until Hanley disclosed that he hurt his mother.
    While the inspectors erred in delaying reading Hanley his rights, the
    Miranda violation was neither deliberate nor “calculated” as Justice
    Kennedy’s concurrence would require. (Id. at pp. 621–622 (conc. opn. of
    Kennedy, J.); see also Storm, 
    supra,
     28 Cal.4th at pp. 1030–1031 [exception
    for “ ‘deliberately coercive or improper tactics’ ”].)
    Hanley’s concern about the length of the un-Mirandized portion of his
    interview is legitimate, but not dispositive. (See Krebs, supra, 8 Cal.5th at
    p. 312 [“simply because an officer could have given an advisement earlier is
    not enough to show that he delayed ‘in a calculated way to undermine the
    Miranda warning”].) Much of the un-Mirandized interview was spent
    discussing general background information and prior voluntary statements
    Hanley made in an effort to divert attention to Anthony D. Importantly,
    there was little overlap between the few incriminating pre-Miranda
    statements and the substantive confession that Hanley made after he waived
    his Miranda rights. Moreover, Hanley’s post-interview talk with his friend
    Ivan provides insight that the Miranda warnings “function[ed] ‘effectively’ as
    Miranda requires,” in that Hanley appeared completely unperturbed about
    his post-Miranda statements. (Seibert, supra, 542 U.S. at pp. 611–612 (plur.
    opn. of Souter, J.).) He told Ivan he was not “getting any lawyers” and would
    just “take whatever,” but that his conscience was “clear now.” For all these
    reasons, we reject Hanley’s contention that the admission of his postwarning
    confession violated Seibert.
    Hanley’s second argument is that his confession was involuntary
    despite the waiver of his Miranda rights. “ ‘A confession is involuntary under
    the federal and state guaranties of due process when it has been extracted by
    any sort of threats or violence, or obtained by any direct or implied promises,
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    however slight, or by the exertion of any improper influence. [Citation.]
    Coercive police activity is a necessary predicate to a finding that a confession
    was involuntary under both the federal and state Constitutions.’ ” (Delgado,
    supra, 27 Cal.App.5th at p. 1107.)
    Hanley contends that his confession was involuntary because he was
    coerced by the inspectors’ implied promise of leniency, which was conveyed
    through Everson’s suggestions that Outin’s killer needed help rather than
    punishment and that the inspectors wanted to help that person. When these
    challenged statements are viewed in the context of the entire interview,
    Hanley’s coercion claim does not withstand scrutiny. The interview tape and
    transcript make clear that, to the extent Everson made a promise at all, it
    was an offer to help the killer deal with his guilt by telling the truth about
    what happened. Pointing out a benefit that flows naturally from a truthful
    course of conduct is neither a threat nor a promise of leniency. (People v.
    Vance (2010) 
    188 Cal.App.4th 1182
    , 1212 [collecting cases].)
    Even if Everson’s statements could be construed as a promise of
    leniency, “[a]n improper promise ‘must be causally linked’ to the defendant's
    confession to warrant exclusion under the Fifth Amendment.” (People v. Wall
    (2017) 
    3 Cal.5th 1048
    , 1066.) That link is not apparent here. Hanley’s
    statement that he wanted the killer to receive the punishment he deserves
    prompted Everson’s observation that the killer might need help instead of
    punishment. Hanley appeared to consider this idea, but he did not respond
    by making an incriminating disclosure. Hanley first acknowledged that he
    hurt his mother during a different part of the interview, right after Maffei
    suggested that a neighbor had seen Hanley outside Outin’s house. Indeed,
    Hanley himself admitted to Ivan that this was the reason he confessed.
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    3. Dr. Ofshe’s Expert Opinion
    Hanley contends the denial of his suppression motion must be reversed
    because the trial court erred by disregarding the expert opinion of Dr. Ofshe.
    As noted, the parties stipulated that the court could consider a transcript of
    Ofshe’s testimony from the 2010 evidentiary hearing, which was part of the
    extensive documentary evidence admitted at the hearing. According to
    Hanley, the court abused its discretion by “disregarding Dr. Ofshe’s
    testimony” and the court’s “failure to consider” that testimony was prejudicial
    error. The record belies these claims.
    One of the last issues the court addressed in its oral ruling on the
    suppression motion was the defense claim that Hanley’s confession was
    coerced. After summarizing the legal principles, the court stated that it had
    reviewed portions of the interview relied on by the defense as well as the
    testimony of both defense experts, Dr. Gregory and Dr. Ofshe. Then it found
    that under the totality of the circumstances Hanley’s confession was
    voluntary. The court relied on evidence suggesting that Hanley “wanted to
    get the crime off his chest,” and also found that the statements the defense
    construed as a promise of leniency “wasn’t a promise at all.” Then, the court
    turned to evidence of Hanley’s personal qualities and considered whether his
    mental health problems impaired his ability to appreciate the consequences
    of what he was saying or what was happening at the time. In that context,
    the court discussed the opinions of both experts, finding Dr. Gregory’s
    testimony helpful and Dr. Ofshe’s opinions less so. Thus, the court did not
    fail to consider Ofshe’s testimony as Hanley contends on appeal.
    When discussing Ofshe’s testimony, the court was critical, “candidly”
    observing that Ofshe was evasive and failed to answer simple questions
    during cross-examination. With the caveat that it had only a transcript
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    rather than Ofshe’s live testimony, the court found that Ofshe was not
    credible because he seemed “jaded,” and his testimony was so one-sided. On
    appeal, Hanley disputes this critique, characterizing it as a prejudicial abuse
    of discretion. We reject this claim, which is unsupported by citation to
    relevant authority or consideration of pertinent legal principles. The
    exclusion of admissible expert testimony may be reversible error (People v.
    Cegers (1992) 
    7 Cal.App.4th 988
    , 1001), but no evidence was excluded here.
    A trier of fact is not bound by an expert’s opinion, even if only one expert
    testifies about the matter. (People v. Williams (1957) 
    151 Cal.App.2d 173
    ,
    187; see also § 1127b.)
    C. Analysis of Fourth Amendment Claim
    Hanley contends that officers violated his Fourth Amendment rights by
    subjecting him to an unlawful detention at the crime scene and an unlawful
    de facto arrest at the Hall of Justice.
    “The Fourth Amendment of the federal Constitution requires state and
    federal courts to exclude evidence obtained from unreasonable government
    searches and seizures. [Citation.] Penal Code section 1538.5 allows a
    defendant to move to suppress evidence obtained in an improper seizure.”
    (People v. Fews (2018) 
    27 Cal.App.5th 553
    , 559.) Here, however, Hanley did
    not make such a motion. Instead, he brought a motion to suppress evidence
    obtained in violation of his rights under the Fifth, Sixth and Fourteenth
    Amendments. In making these claims, Hanley argued he was detained at the
    scene and subjected to a de facto arrest at the station, but he did not argue
    that these alleged restraints on his liberty were unlawful. Therefore, Hanley
    forfeited his Fourth Amendment claim. (People v. Caro (2019) 
    7 Cal.5th 463
    ,
    488 (Caro); People v. Miranda (1987) 
    44 Cal.3d 57
    , 80.)
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    Hanley contends his trial counsel rendered ineffective assistance by
    failing to allege a Fourth Amendment violation. To prove an ineffective
    assistance claim, the defendant must establish that his trial counsel’s
    representation was deficient and that this deficiency caused him prejudice.
    (Strickland v. Washington (1984) 
    466 U.S. 668
    , 687–692.) To carry this
    burden here, Hanley must first show that trial counsel’s failure to litigate a
    Fourth Amendment claim was objectively unreasonable in that it was
    contrary to prevailing professional norms. (Caro, supra, 7 Cal.5th at pp. 488–
    489.) “The prejudice prong of Strickland then requires the defendant to
    ‘prove that [the] Fourth Amendment claim is meritorious and that there is a
    reasonable probability that the verdict would have been different absent the
    excludable evidence.’ ” (Caro, at pp. 488–489.)
    Hanley takes the view that his ineffective assistance claim proves itself
    because all evidence of his guilt was subject to exclusion under the Fourth
    Amendment, and thus there can be no reasonable explanation for failing to
    bring this claim. This conclusory proposition does not satisfy Hanley’s
    burden of proof. Nevertheless, we consider three categories of evidence that
    could potentially have been excluded under the Fourth Amendment.
    1. Hanley’s Statements to Etcheveste
    First, Hanley intimates that statements he made in front of Etcheveste
    were the product of an illegal detention. This claim fails on its merits
    because Hanley was not detained at the crime scene.
    “Not all interactions between law enforcement and members of the
    public rise to the level of seizures implicating the Fourth Amendment.
    [Citation.] For a seizure to occur, an officer must intentionally restrain an
    individual’s freedom of movement either physically or through a show of
    authority. [Citations.] A seizure through a show of authority occurs when a
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    reasonable person would not believe he or she is free to leave or to decline an
    officer’s request. [Citation.] The reasonableness of an officer’s conduct must
    be viewed in light of all the circumstances surrounding the incident.” (People
    v. Bates (2013) 
    222 Cal.App.4th 60
    , 65.) “The test is ‘objective,’ not subjective;
    it looks to ‘the intent of the police as objectively manifested’ to the person
    confronted. [Citation.] Accordingly, an ‘officer’s uncommunicated state of
    mind and the individual citizen’s subjective belief are irrelevant . . . .’ ”
    (People v. Zamudio (2008) 
    43 Cal.4th 327
    , 341.)
    Here, Hanley called the police to the scene of his mother’s murder,
    made unsolicited statements about matters that were material to the crime,
    agreed to go to the station to provide a statement that would help with the
    investigation, and accepted the offer of a ride. When Hanley made each
    decision, he was not subject to any physical restraint and there is no evidence
    of a threat, application of force, or any other police conduct that prevented
    Hanley from leaving the scene. On appeal, Hanley contends he was detained
    because Etcheveste stood very near him and positioned himself in a way that
    blocked Hanley from leaving. The trial court found that Hanley was not
    physically restrained, blocked or otherwise prevented from leaving. These
    findings are supported by testimony from Etcheveste, Everson and Maffei.
    On appeal, we defer to factual findings supported substantial evidence.
    (People v. Leyba (1981) 
    29 Cal.3d 591
    , 596–597.)
    In his appellate brief, Hanley mentions several times that he was pat
    searched by fire department personnel and intimates this intrusion was
    unjustified. Hanley’s only support for this undeveloped claim is a citation to
    testimony Maffei gave at the 2010 suppression hearing. According to that
    testimony, a few weeks after Hanley’s confession, Maffei interviewed the fire
    department officers who responded to Outin’s house and they told him that
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    they frisked Hanley because he was acting “creepy.” This evidence does not
    show that an initial pat search was unlawful or that it had anything to do
    with incriminating statements that Hanley later made to Etcheveste.
    2. DNA Evidence
    DNA samples taken from Hanley are a second type of evidence raising
    Fourth Amendment concerns. As discussed, Hanley’s DNA was removed
    without his prior consent under circumstances indicating that he was in
    custody. Thus, the removal of Hanley’s DNA could have supported a Fourth
    Amendment claim. However, the failure to bring such a claim was not
    ineffective assistance of counsel on this record because Judge Massullo
    excluded the DNA evidence.
    3. Hanley’s Interview
    For reasons we have explained, Hanley was in custody when he was
    interviewed at the Hall of Justice. Because his encounter with police was no
    longer consensual by the time the inspectors arrived to interview him, he was
    subject to a seizure under Fourth Amendment principles. (People v. Celis
    (2004) 
    33 Cal.4th 667
    , 673 (Celis).) Hanley contends that because this
    seizure of his person was unjustified, all statements made during his
    interview should have been suppressed. The issue on appeal is whether trial
    counsel rendered ineffective assistance by failing to litigate this Fourth
    Amendment claim.
    “ ‘[N]ot all seizures of the person must be justified by probable cause to
    arrest for a crime.’ ” (Celis, supra, 33 Cal.4th at p. 674.) “A detention is
    reasonable under the Fourth Amendment when the detaining officer can
    point to specific articulable facts that, considered in light of the totality of the
    circumstances, provide some objective manifestation that the person detained
    may be involved in criminal activity.” (People v. Souza (1994) 
    9 Cal.4th 224
    ,
    42
    231.) “There is no fixed time limit for establishing the constitutionality of an
    investigatory detention. Rather, such a detention will be deemed
    unconstitutional ‘when extended beyond what is reasonably necessary under
    the circumstances that made its initiation permissible.’ ” (People v. Gomez
    (2004) 
    117 Cal.App.4th 531
    , 537–538.)
    Circumstances may develop that “provide reasonable suspicion to
    prolong the detention.” (People v. Russell (2000) 
    81 Cal.App.4th 96
    , 102.)
    But if a detention becomes overly intrusive and exceeds the boundaries of a
    permissible investigative stop, it becomes a de facto arrest requiring probable
    cause. (People v. Stier (2008) 
    168 Cal.App.4th 21
    , 26–27.) Probable cause
    “exists when the facts known to the arresting officer would persuade someone
    of ‘reasonable caution’ that the person to be arrested has committed a crime.”
    (Celis, 
    supra,
     33 Cal.4th at p. 673.)
    In light of these principles, competent counsel could have concluded
    that after Hanley arrived at the Hall of Justice to give a consensual
    interview, detaining him until the inspectors returned from the crime scene
    was justified by a reasonable suspicion that Hanley was involved in his
    mother’s murder. Because the record shows that Hanley was taken into
    custody through the collective action of several officers, all of the officers who
    participated in the investigation “constructively shared the same pool of
    information under the collective knowledge doctrine.” (Cornell v. City and
    County of San Francisco (2017) 
    17 Cal.App.5th 766
    , 780; see also People v.
    Ramirez (1997) 
    59 Cal.App.4th 1548
    , 1555.) Thus, at the outset of Hanley’s
    interview, the officers had the following pertinent information: Hanley and
    Outin’s relationship was fraught; Hanley was living in a half-way house but
    had parties at his mom’s house while she was away, which had angered
    Outin; Outin was the victim of a violent attack that was consistent with
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    domestic violence; Hanley had mental health and behavioral problems; the
    murder weapon may have been Hanley’s knife, which he kept hidden; Hanley
    had made unsolicited incriminating statements about his knife collection and
    about Anthony D.; and Hanley had been the subject of a Tarasoff report,
    which meant he had made a credible threat of violence against someone in
    the past.
    Moreover, even if a Fourth Amendment violation could have been
    established, it would not require suppression of Hanley’s confession absent a
    causal link establishing that the confession was obtained by exploitation of
    the illegal detention. (Jenkins, supra, 122 Cal.App.4th at pp. 1178–1180.)
    This issue turns on “whether ‘intervening events break the causal connection
    between the illegal [detention] and the [incriminating statement] so that the
    [statement] is “ ‘sufficiently an act of free will to purge the primary taint.’ ” ’ ”
    (People v. Boyer (1989) 
    48 Cal.3d 247
    , 268.) Here, although a reasonable
    person in Hanley’s position would not have felt free to leave the Hall of
    Justice, he never expressed a desire to leave, either by words or actions. Nor
    did the officers actually prevent Hanley from leaving. Further, there is
    strong evidence that Hanley wanted to be there and wanted to discuss his
    mother’s murder with the inspectors.
    In addition to these obstacles to proving that Hanley’s confession was
    the product of an unlawful detention, the record suggests a tactical reason for
    electing not to purse this Fourth Amendment challenge: it would potentially
    undermine Hanley’s Fifth and Sixth Amendment claims. The defense, joined
    by Ivan’s counsel, presented a strong argument that the police had reason to
    focus on Hanley from the outset of their investigation and, by the time the
    inspectors arrived at the Hall of Justice, Hanley was their prime suspect.
    This theory was important to the defense in more than one way. They used it
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    to argue that Hanley’s entire interview was a custodial interrogation, to
    challenge the credibility of officers who claimed that Hanley was treated as a
    witness rather than a suspect, and to argue that the inspectors intentionally
    violated Miranda by employing an improper two-step interrogation
    technique. Under these circumstances, defense counsel may have been
    concerned that bringing an additional Fourth Amendment challenge would
    be counterproductive because it would highlight evidence suggesting that
    Hanley was not a suspect and could not reasonably have been detained at the
    outset of the interview.
    Thus, competent trial counsel could have concluded that a Fourth
    Amendment challenge was not only potentially inconsistent with Hanley’s
    Fifth Amendment claim but would have been more difficult to prove, and
    thus made a reasonable tactical decision to litigate only the Fifth
    Amendment claim. Hanley has failed to carry his burden of showing that he
    was denied the effective assistance of counsel.
    II. Prosecutor Misconduct
    Hanley contends the prosecutor engaged in “egregious” misconduct
    during closing argument, which resulted in a denial of due process. “ ‘A
    prosecutor’s conduct violates the Fourteenth Amendment to the federal
    Constitution when it infects the trial with such unfairness as to make the
    conviction a denial of due process. Conduct by a prosecutor that does not
    render a criminal trial fundamentally unfair is prosecutorial misconduct
    under state law only if it involves the use of deceptive or reprehensible
    methods to attempt to persuade either the trial court or the jury.’ ” (People v.
    Montes (2014) 
    58 Cal.4th 809
    , 869.)
    When a misconduct claim is based on the prosecutor’s remarks to the
    jury, “the defendant must show that, ‘[i]n the context of the whole argument
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    and the instructions’ [citation], there was ‘a reasonable likelihood the jury
    understood or applied the complained-of comments in an improper or
    erroneous manner. [Citations.] In conducting this inquiry, we “do not lightly
    infer” that the jury drew the most damaging rather than the least damaging
    meaning from the prosecutor’s statements.’ ” (People v. Centeno (2014) 
    60 Cal.4th 659
    , 667 (Centeno).) Generally, trial court rulings on prosecutor
    misconduct are reviewed for abuse of discretion. (People v. Alvarez (1996) 
    14 Cal.4th 155
    , 213.)
    A. Appealing to Passion and Prejudice
    The prosecutor concluded his initial closing argument by discussing the
    implications of evidence that Hanley tried not to get caught. Counsel argued
    this evidence showed that Hanley knew the consequences of his conduct and
    once he got caught, he tried to avoid those consequences by fooling the
    inspectors. The prosecutor urged the jury not to be fooled by letting Hanley
    get away with murder, stating: “He had a coverup. First Anthony [D.], then
    Jake the Devil. [¶] Don’t let him get away with murder. Mr. Hanley
    murdered Anne Outin in the first degree and he did it for financial gain.
    [¶] Please return verdicts accordingly.” Outside the presence of the jury,
    defense counsel objected that the prosecutor inflamed the passions of the
    jury. The trial court stated that this remark did “not rise to that level.” So
    the court noted the objection for the record but did not give an admonition.
    On appeal, Hanley contends that urging the jury not to let Hanley get
    away with murder was an act of “misconduct,” but he cites no authority and
    provides no analysis. “ ‘A prosecutor is allowed to make vigorous arguments
    and may even use such epithets as are warranted by the evidence, as long as
    these arguments are not inflammatory and principally aimed at arousing the
    passion or prejudice of the jury.’ ” (People v. Johnsen (2021) 
    10 Cal.5th 1116
    ,
    46
    1179.) Here, the trial court’s finding that the prosecutor did not cross this
    line was not an abuse of discretion.
    B. Commenting on the Defendant’s Silence
    During Hanley’s closing argument, defense counsel argued that
    evidence proving that Ivan manipulated Hanley to commit the homicide could
    be found in the recorded witness statements made by Hanley, Ivan G., and
    Nancy M. The prosecutor disputed this claim during his rebuttal, and urged
    the jury to evaluate this evidence as they would evaluate any statement by a
    witness. In this context, the prosecutor made the following argument:
    “With regard to the statements by Nancy [M.], Ivan [G.], and Mr.
    Hanley, and all other witnesses, you’re given instruction 226. That’s the
    instruction that tells you how to evaluate witnesses. [¶] We discussed this
    during jury selection. You look at their demeanor. You compare their
    statements against other statements. You compare these statements against
    the evidence, and you determine whether you will believe some, part, all or
    none of the statement. [¶] When it refers to witnesses in 226, you can take
    that as Nancy, as Ivan, and as Mr. Hanley. Evaluate their statements
    according to the way you would evaluate any other witness.”
    Then the prosecutor immediately focused on Nancy M.; questioning
    why Nancy was called as a defense witness, the prosecutor argued that
    although Nancy got some facts wrong, her statement was evidence that
    Hanley did intend to kill Outin.
    For the first time on appeal, Hanley contends this argument by the
    prosecutor violated Griffin v. California (1965) 
    380 U.S. 609
    . Griffin holds
    that the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution
    “forbids either comment by the prosecution on the accused’s silence or
    instructions by the court that such silence is evidence of guilt.” (Griffin, at
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    p. 615.) Hanley posits that the prosecutor violated Griffin here because he
    told the jury to treat Hanley like any other witness in order to draw attention
    to the fact that Hanley did not give live testimony. Hanley forfeited this
    claim by failing to make a Griffin objection in the trial court.
    We are not persuaded by Hanley’s rejoinder that the failure to object
    was a denial of his right to the effective assistance of counsel. The decision
    whether to object during opposing counsel’s arguments in a criminal trial “ ‘is
    inherently tactical, and the failure to object will rarely establish ineffective
    assistance.’ ” (People v. Lopez (2008) 
    42 Cal.4th 960
    , 972.) Because
    competent counsel may often elect to forego even a valid objection, the
    tactical decision whether to object is “ ‘not ordinarily reviewable on appeal.’ ”
    (People v. Riel (2000) 
    22 Cal.4th 1153
    , 1197.) Here, competent counsel could
    have concluded that there was little likelihood the jury or trial court would
    interpret the prosecutor’s argument as a comment on Hanley’s decision not to
    testify at trial. On the other hand, making a Griffin objection would have
    risked focusing the jury’s attention on that very fact. Thus, failing to make a
    Griffin objection did not constitute ineffective assistance of counsel.
    C. Alluding to Punishment
    At the end of his rebuttal argument, the prosecutor responded to a
    closing argument by defense counsel that Hanley should be convicted only of
    manslaughter because he lacked the intent to kill. The prosecutor argued
    that involuntary manslaughter made no sense in this case and that it would
    be more appropriate to acquit Hanley completely. In presenting this
    argument, the prosecutor stated: “Do not convict him of involuntary
    manslaughter. Walk him out the door. Acquit him.” Defense counsel
    objected on the ground that the prosecutor’s argument referenced
    punishment. This objection was sustained. Completing his argument, the
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    prosecutor argued that acquittal made more sense than involuntary
    manslaughter but the evidence showed that what Hanley actually did was
    commit first degree murder.
    To the extent that the prosecutor’s argument can be construed as an
    improper remark about punishment, the trial court sustained defense
    counsel’s objection on that ground. And, although the jury was not
    admonished then, it was subsequently instructed with CALCRIM No. 3550.
    In delivering that instruction, the court stated: “As I said before—I will
    repeat it now—you must reach your verdict without consideration of
    punishment.” In light of this admonition, the prosecutor’s reference to
    punishment was not prejudicial under any standard of error.
    On appeal, Hanley argues that the prosecutor’s remark constituted
    prejudicial misconduct because he subverted the administration of justice by
    presenting the jury with an all or nothing choice to either convict Hanley of
    murder or acquit him and deprive him of the mental health services he
    desperately needed. Hanley forfeited this claim by not making it at trial. In
    any event, Hanley fails to show that “there was ‘a reasonable likelihood the
    jury understood or applied the complained-of comments in an improper or
    erroneous manner.’ ” (Centeno, supra, 60 Cal.4th at p. 667.) It is not
    reasonably likely the jury interpreted the prosecutor’s argument as requiring
    them to either convict Hanley of murder or deprive him of mental health
    services by acquitting him.
    DISPOSITION
    The judgment is affirmed.
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    TUCHER, J.*
    WE CONCUR:
    POLLAK, P. J.
    BROWN, J.
    People v. Hanley (A157228)
    Presiding Justice of the Court of Appeal, First Appellate District,
    *
    Division Three, sitting by assignment pursuant to article VI, section 6 of the
    California Constitution.
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