In re K.M. CA2/2 ( 2023 )


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  • Filed 7/27/23 In re K.M. CA2/2
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    IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
    SECOND APPELLATE DISTRICT
    DIVISION TWO
    In re K.M., a Person Coming                                  B325978
    Under the Juvenile Court Law.                                (Los Angeles County Super.
    Ct. No. 20CCJP02157A)
    LOS ANGELES COUNTY
    DEPARTMENT OF
    CHILDREN AND FAMILY
    SERVICES,
    Plaintiff and Respondent,
    v.
    MARK M.,
    Defendant and Appellant.
    APPEAL from orders of the Superior Court of Los Angeles
    County, Kristen Byrdsong, Judge Pro Tempore. Affirmed.
    Benjamin Ekenes, under appointment by the Court of
    Appeal, for Defendant and Appellant.
    Dawyn R. Harrison, County Counsel, Kim Nemoy,
    Assistant County Counsel, and Sally Son, Senior Deputy County
    Counsel, for Plaintiff and Respondent.
    ******
    This is the third appeal by Mark. M. (father) in this
    juvenile dependency case. This appeal challenges the juvenile
    court’s orders terminating dependency jurisdiction over his
    daughter, K.M., and issuing an exit order that granted K.P.
    (mother) sole custody and limited father’s visitation.1 His
    challenges to these orders ignore the record or ignore the law,
    and accordingly lack merit. We affirm.
    FACTS AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
    Because we are issuing our opinion in father’s second
    appeal simultaneously with this opinion, we hereby incorporate
    Sections I through IV (on pages 3 through 10) of the Facts and
    Procedural Background section from K.M. II, and will not restate
    them here; we will number the sections herein as if they are a
    1     Father’s second appeal—which we consider simultaneously
    with this one—challenges the juvenile court’s orders retaining
    dependency jurisdiction. (In re K.M. (July 27, 2023, B321344)
    [nonpub. opn.] (K.M. II).) Thus, father is taking the
    fundamentally inconsistent position that the same court in the
    same case erred in retaining and terminating jurisdiction over
    the same child.
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    continuation of the Facts and Procedural Background section in
    K.M. II.
    V.     Father’s Conduct Giving Rise to Termination of
    Jurisdiction and Exit Order
    A.    The Department recommends terminating
    jurisdiction
    In advance of the progress hearing the juvenile court had
    set for October 13, 2022, the Los Angeles Department of Children
    and Family Services (the Department) filed a last minute
    information report. In that report, the Department
    recommended that the juvenile court terminate jurisdiction, give
    mother sole legal and sole physical custody of K.M., and grant
    father biweekly monitored visits. This recommendation rested in
    part on the Department’s view that father’s “relationship” with
    K.M. was “emotionally unhealthy.” Despite being ordered not to
    yell at or harass K.M., father continued to do so: K.M. reported
    that father “raised his voice” at her, called her “‘bad names,’” and
    then proceeded to say “horrible things about” mother; father
    abruptly ended a visit due to K.M.’s “‘nasty ass attitude,’” which
    he blamed on mother and the Department; father antagonized
    K.M. for “not calling him daily” (even though father was granted
    only weekly telephonic visits); and father called K.M.’s school to
    pull K.M. out of classes for an in-person or telephonic visit. Even
    when father was not yelling at or harassing K.M., he was always
    “‘mad’” and “angry” during his visits with K.M. Father’s conduct
    made K.M. “extremely distraught.” The Department observed
    that father’s “angry outbursts” were related to his need to
    “control” every situation. Father also had not finished his court-
    ordered domestic violence class or enrolled in conjoint counseling
    with K.M.
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    B.    Mother files a section 388 petition
    Echoing the Department’s recommendation, mother filed a
    petition under Welfare and Institutions Code section 3882 one
    week later asking the juvenile court to terminate dependency
    jurisdiction, give mother sole physical and legal custody of K.M.
    and limit father’s educational rights, and limit father to a two-
    hour monitored visit every other week. Mother alleged,
    consistent with the Department’s prior reports, that K.M. “dreads
    contact” with father, “has anxiety when she is required to visit,”
    and is “humiliated” by his “harassment of the school.”
    C.    The juvenile court holds a progress hearing
    The juvenile court convened the progress hearing on
    October 13, 2022.
    Because the Department’s last minute information report
    “substantiat[ed] the same claims” made by mother in her section
    388 petition, the court found it appropriate to “go forward” with a
    hearing on mother’s petition. The court also advanced the section
    364 review hearing set for November 30, 2022 and vacated it.
    Father objected, and argued that (1) the court was procedurally
    required to set a noticed, contested hearing on mother’s petition,
    and (2) he was entitled to call K.M. as a witness. The court
    rejected both arguments. As to the timing of the hearing, the
    court found that (1) “exigency”—namely, “the impact on [K.M.’s]
    mental health”—necessitated hearing mother’s section 388
    petition that day, and (2) a “detriment finding” could be made by
    the court “at any time.” As to K.M. testifying, the court found
    that (1) it would be “detrimental” to force her to testify, and (2)
    her testimony was also not “necessary.”
    2     All further statutory references are to the Welfare and
    Institutions Code unless otherwise indicated.
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    The juvenile court granted mother’s section 388 petition.
    The court observed that father’s “behavior is out of control” and
    that he was “terrorizing” K.M. (Father’s conduct during the
    hearing seemingly confirmed the court’s observations, as father
    twice “hung up” on the court during the remote hearing.) The
    court found that father’s “out of control and domestic violence
    perpetrator behavior” constituted a change in circumstances.
    The court further found that it was in K.M.’s “best interest” to
    grant the petition.
    The court thus issued (1) an order terminating jurisdiction
    over K.M., and (2) an exit order granting mother sole legal and
    physical custody of K.M., granting mother exclusive educational
    rights, and according father one hour of monitored visitation per
    month because “father’s actions” caused the court to find it would
    be “detrimental for him to have any more visitation” than that.
    However, the court retained jurisdiction pending “receipt of the”
    exit order, and the exit order (Judicial Council form JV-200)
    directed the “clerk of the juvenile court” “to transmit th[e] order
    within 10 calendar days to the clerk” of the family court.
    D.    The juvenile court stays or vacates its orders
    four days later
    After further reflecting on father’s procedural objections
    and ostensibly finding them to be well-taken, the juvenile court
    stayed or “vacated” its termination order and its exit order on
    October 17, 2022. The court simultaneously set a contested
    hearing on mother’s section 388 petition for November 17, 2022
    and advanced to that same date the section 364 review hearing
    previously set for November 30, 2022. All parties received notice
    of the November 17, 2022 hearing. The court also made a
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    “temporary detriment finding” to suspend father’s visits with
    K.M. pending that subsequent hearing.
    E.     The juvenile court holds a contested hearing on
    November 17, 2022
    At the combined review hearing and evidentiary hearing on
    mother’s section 388 petition, the court admitted a new last
    minute information report in which the Department relayed that
    father’s “anger is getting worse with each visit” with K.M. and
    that father “continues to escalate his anger,” so much so that
    K.M. “does not want to visit father ‘at all’” because he is “always”
    “mad” and “yelling” at her “for no reason.” Father also
    “demonstrated escalated irate behaviors” with the Department’s
    staff by calling every secretary’s extension between 10 and 15
    times every day, raising his voice, using profanity, and even
    making ominous threats.3
    Father took the stand to testify, but provided only a few
    minutes of testimony before the juvenile court ordered him
    escorted from the courtroom following a “threatening and
    aggressive and inappropriate” “outburst” while on the stand.
    The court granted mother’s section 388 petition. The court
    found changed circumstances—namely, father “repeatedly”
    showing that he “harass[es]” and is “emotionally abusive” toward
    K.M., as well as toward “school officials” and “Department staff,”
    and that he has “no accountability or responsibility for his
    3     Two social workers requested a restraining order against
    father for his harassing and intimidating conduct, including his
    threatening statements like “This is not over yet . . .” and “God
    forbid I see you in person.” After issuing a temporary restraining
    order and holding a hearing, the juvenile court granted the
    restraining order.
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    actions.” The court also found it in the “best interest” of K.M. for
    K.M. to have no unmonitored contact with father given his
    “abusive and emotionally damaging behaviors.” The court
    terminated jurisdiction pending an exit order being finalized at
    the next hearing scheduled for December 14, 2022.
    F.    Father moves to vacate the juvenile court’s
    November 17, 2022 orders
    On December 12, 2022, father filed a motion to vacate the
    juvenile court’s orders on the ground that the court already
    terminated jurisdiction back on October 13, 2022 and therefore
    was divested of the ability to make any further findings or orders.
    The court denied father’s motion at the December 14 hearing.
    G.    The juvenile court’s termination and exit orders
    take effect
    The court lifted its stay on the termination order on
    December 15, 2022, the date the exit order was finalized by the
    court (because the parties could not agree on the terms at the
    December 14 hearing). The exit order awarded mother sole legal
    custody and sole physical custody of K.M., and granted father one
    monitored visit per month “in a therapeutic setting in conjoint
    counseling when [the] therapist” to be selected by mother
    “determines it is appropriate.”4
    VI. Father Appeals
    Father appealed from the juvenile court’s “findings and
    orders” made at the October 13, November 17, December 14, and
    December 15, 2022 hearings.
    4     The juvenile court also extended mother’s restraining order
    against father by two additional years, but that ruling is not
    challenged on appeal.
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    DISCUSSION
    In this appeal, father raises what boils down to four
    arguments.5 Specifically, he argues that (1) the juvenile court
    violated the dependency statutes and his constitutional right to
    due process by issuing its order terminating jurisdiction and its
    exit order without first setting the matter for a properly noticed
    contested hearing; (2) the court violated the dependency statutes
    and his constitutional right to due process by refusing to allow
    K.M. to testify; (3) the court removed K.M. from his custody
    without making valid removal findings; and (4) the court’s exit
    order improperly delegates to K.M.’s therapist the authority to
    determine whether father could visit K.M.
    5      Father makes two more arguments. He makes a threshold
    argument that we must vacate all orders at issue in this appeal if
    we find his second appeal (K.M. II) has merit; because father’s
    second appeal is meritless, we necessarily reject that argument.
    He makes the concluding argument that we must remand this
    case to a different bench officer if we find further proceedings are
    warranted; because we are affirming, we necessarily reject this
    argument as well.
    Father filed his reply brief late, and notwithstanding our
    rejection of his request for an extension of time to file that brief.
    Given that father’s counsel also filed the reply brief in the
    companion appeal late, there appears to be a pattern of
    disregarding this Court’s deadlines. We would be well within our
    authority to strike the late-filed reply brief in this case.
    However, to avoid punishing father for his counsel’s
    transgressions, we allowed the reply brief to be filed, have
    considered its arguments on their merits, and find them to lack
    merit for the reasons set forth in the text.
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    I.     Was Father Denied Prior Notice?
    Father argues that the juvenile court’s December 2022
    orders terminating dependency jurisdiction over K.M. and the
    accompanying exit order are invalid because the court—on
    October 13, 2022—violated father’s statutory rights and right to
    due process. Father’s argument has two steps: (1) a parent has a
    right to prior notice before a juvenile court conducts a contested
    hearing in support of a section 388 petition or any section 364
    review hearing, and (2) father was denied those rights when the
    juvenile court held a contested hearing on October 13, 2022
    regarding mother’s petition and held a review hearing without
    giving father prior notice of its intention to conduct those
    hearings on that day. These are arguments involving questions
    of constitutional law or the application of constitutional or
    statutory law to undisputed facts; as such, our review is de novo.
    (In re Taylor (2015) 
    60 Cal.4th 1019
    , 1035 (Taylor) [constitutional
    questions]; Aquila, Inc. v. Superior Court (2007) 
    148 Cal.App.4th 556
    , 568 [constitutional questions of notice]; People ex rel. Lockyer
    v. Shamrock Foods Co. (2000) 
    24 Cal.4th 415
    , 432 (Lockyer)
    [application of law to undisputed facts]; In re R.C. (2011) 
    196 Cal.App.4th 741
    , 748 (R.C.) [same].)
    The first premise of father’s argument—namely, that father
    has the right to prior notice—is correct. A party to a juvenile
    dependency case may file a petition under section 388 seeking to
    “change, modify, or set aside” an existing juvenile court order or
    to “terminate the jurisdiction of the court.” (§ 388, subd. (a)(1).)
    Where, as is uncontested with respect to mother’s petition, a
    section 388 petition sets forth a prima facie case for a relief, the
    court must “order that a hearing be held” and “shall give prior
    notice” of that hearing to all affected parties, including the
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    parents. (§§ 388, subd. (d), 386, 297, subd. (c)(1); Cal. Rules of
    Court, rule 5.570(e) & (g)(2); accord, §§ 302, subd. (b), 385, 386;
    see also In re Kelley L. (1998) 
    64 Cal.App.4th 1279
    , 1284 (Kelley
    L.) [“notice to a parent is required for hearings pursuant to
    section 388”]; In re Andrew A. (2010) 
    183 Cal.App.4th 1518
    , 1528
    [same]; Nickolas F. v. Superior Court (2006) 
    144 Cal.App.4th 92
    ,
    111-112 & fn. 16 [same].) Where a juvenile court is exerting
    jurisdiction over a child that remains in the home of a parent,6
    the court is required (1) to hold periodic review hearings under
    section 364 to assess whether “conditions still exist which would
    justify initial assumption of [dependency] jurisdiction” or are
    “likely to exist if [juvenile court] supervision is withdrawn” (§
    364, subds. (a) & (c)); and, if it determines jurisdiction is no
    longer justified, (2) to issue an exit order fixing the terms of
    custody and visitation and transferring the case to the family
    court (§ 362.4; In re T.H. (2010) 
    190 Cal.App.4th 1119
    , 1122-1123;
    In re Michael W. (1997) 
    54 Cal.App.4th 190
    , 194-195 (Michael
    W.)). Because a party is entitled to present evidence at a hearing
    preceding an exit order and because an exit order may be entered
    at a section 364 review hearing, the parties have a right to
    present evidence—and a concomitant right to prior notice of a
    section 364 review hearing—before such a hearing may be
    conducted. (Michael W., at pp. 194-195; In re R.F. (2021) 
    71 Cal.App.5th 459
    , 471, 473 (R.F.); Kelley L., at pp. 1284-1285 & fn.
    9.) Due process also guarantees parents in dependency
    proceedings the right to prior notice. (In re Mia M. (2022) 75
    6     As we discussed in K.M. II, given the lack of clarity as to
    whether section 364 or section 361.2 applies to the circumstances
    here, we have assumed that section 364—and its standard that is
    more favorable to father—applies here.
    
    10 Cal.App.5th 792
    , 807 [“‘due process requires parents be given
    notice that is reasonably calculated to advise them an action is
    pending and afford them an opportunity to defend’”]; R.F., at p.
    470 [due process in dependency litigation is “‘focused principally
    on the right to a hearing and the right to notice’”].)
    However, the second premise of father’s argument—
    namely, that father was denied his statutory and constitutional
    rights to prior notice—is incorrect. Although the juvenile court
    did not give father prior notice before it conducted—on October
    13, 2022—a contested hearing on mother’s section 388 petition
    and advanced the section 364 review hearing, the court corrected
    its misstep by subsequently staying or vacating the orders made
    at that hearing and thereafter conducting—on November 17,
    2022—a properly noticed contested section 388 petition hearing
    and section 364 review hearing. Indeed, father does not deny
    that the prior notice given for the November 17, 2022 hearing
    was proper, or that he actively participated in that hearing by
    presenting evidence.7 Thus, father was not denied his right to
    prior notice. And even if we assume that he was denied that
    right, the court’s subsequent conduct in correcting its misstep
    renders that misstep harmless under any standard: There is zero
    possibility that father would have obtained a more favorable
    result if he had been given prior notice because we know that,
    after a subsequent hearing with proper prior notice and where
    father put on evidence, the juvenile court came to the same
    7     The Department urges that the juvenile court’s subsequent
    acts render father’s appeal moot. We exercise our “‘inherent
    discretion’” to entertain father’s ostensibly moot challenge to the
    October 13, 2022 orders. (In re D.P. (2023) 
    14 Cal.5th 266
    , 276,
    282, 285-286.)
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    conclusion—namely, that father’s anger and control issues
    warranted the termination of dependency jurisdiction and an exit
    order placing K.M. in mother’s sole custody. Father’s entreaty
    that we view any due process misstep—even one that was later
    remedied—to be reversible per se defies common sense as well as
    binding Supreme Court precedent. (In re Celine R. (2003) 
    31 Cal.4th 45
    , 59-60 [harmless error analysis applies in dependency
    cases]; In re James F. (2008) 
    42 Cal.4th 901
    , 915-916, 918 [same];
    R.F., supra, 71 Cal.App.5th at p. 474 [same]; In re Christopher L.
    (2022) 
    12 Cal.5th 1063
    , 1081 [automatic reversal rule should not
    be applied to “errors that do not invariably lead to fundamental
    unfairness” because doing so “would exact a particularly steep
    cost”].)
    Father resists our conclusion with what boils down to three
    arguments.
    First, father argues that the juvenile court did not correct
    its misstep because the court’s October 17, 2022 order staying or
    vacating the termination and exit orders is itself void because the
    court on October 13, 2022 terminated its own jurisdiction and
    thereby deprived itself of the authority to issue any further
    orders in the case.
    Father is wrong. To be sure, after a dependency proceeding
    has been terminated, a juvenile court no longer has jurisdiction
    and may not take any further action in the proceeding. (In re
    A.S. (2009) 
    174 Cal.App.4th 1511
    , 1514-1515; In re Sarah M.
    (1991) 
    233 Cal.App.3d 1486
    , 1504, overruled on other grounds in
    In re Chantal S. (1996) 
    13 Cal.4th 196
    , 204 (Chantal S.).)
    According to father, the juvenile court’s issuance of the exit order
    on October 13, 2022 instantaneously deprived the court of all
    jurisdiction. This is incorrect for a few reasons.
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    To begin, a dependency proceeding of the type here is not
    terminated until the exit order is transmitted to the clerk of the
    family court within a 10-day window (§ 362.4, subd. (b); Cal.
    Rules of Court, rule 5.700(b)(2)), and we can presume that the
    juvenile court fulfilled its official duty to transmit that order by
    the end of that window (Evid. Code, § 664). The court’s October
    17, 2022 order was entered only four days into that 10-day
    window, and father—as the party with the burden of proof on
    appeal—has pointed to nothing in the record showing that the
    exit order here was transmitted to the family court prior to
    October 17, 2022. (See generally People v. Hopson (2017) 
    3 Cal.5th 424
    , 461 (dis. opn. of Cantil-Sakauye, C.J.) [noting “most
    fundamental rule of appellate law” that appellant bears the
    burden of showing error].) By not objecting to the court
    conducting the November 17, 2022 contested hearing (and by
    actively participating in that hearing), father’s contemporaneous
    conduct reaffirms that the October 13, 2022 order had not been
    transmitted to the family court prior to October 17, 2022, and
    that the juvenile court still had jurisdiction over this case. There
    is also no evidence that the family court ever accepted
    jurisdiction.8
    Next, father’s contention at oral argument that the court’s
    October 17, 2022 order staying or vacating the termination and
    exit orders was ineffectual because it was oral—and that this oral
    order was not memorialized in a minute order or a written order
    8      At oral argument, father for the first time asked this court
    to grant him the opportunity to obtain discovery regarding the
    family court’s action vis-à-vis this transfer. We recognize our
    authority to hear any such newly gathered evidence (Code of Civ.
    Proc., § 909), and exercise our discretion to decline this request.
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    using identical “stayed” or “vacated” language—lacks merit. The
    court did issue a minute order, and that order states that K.M.
    “remains a dependent of the Court” and sets a new contested
    hearing on mother’s section 388 petition. This order necessarily
    implies that the juvenile court vacated the prior order (because
    there would be no other way in which K.M. would remain a
    dependent) and confirms what the court orally announced to all
    parties at the October 17, 2022 hearing.
    Further, had the juvenile court’s jurisdiction over K.M.
    terminated instantaneously, K.M. would be in a jurisdictional
    limbo during the 10-day window pending transmission of the exit
    order to the family court. We decline to read the dependency
    statutes to create such a limbo.
    Finally, as noted above, even if the juvenile court’s October
    17, 2022 order was void, the November 17, 2022 hearing still
    establishes that the deficiency in notice prior to the October 13,
    2022 hearing was harmless.
    Second, father argues that he had no “meaningful notice” of
    the basis for the juvenile court’s rulings because the notice of
    hearing served by the Department for the October 13, 2022
    progress hearing did not identify the Department’s
    recommendations that jurisdiction be terminated and mother be
    granted sole custody of K.M. Again, father is wrong. Not only
    does this argument ignore the juvenile court’s orders staying or
    vacating the October 13, 2022 orders, but this argument
    completely ignores that the Department—in last minute
    information reports filed in advance of both the October 13 and
    November 17, 2022 hearings—set forth its recommendation to
    terminate jurisdiction and grant father only limited visitation,
    along with the detailed reasons for that recommendation.
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    Third, father argues that the juvenile court was not
    permitted to rely on exigent circumstances to advance the review
    hearing and consider mother’s petition on October 13, 2022
    without prior notice. But the court’s reasoning expediting those
    matters is irrelevant because, as noted above, the court
    subsequently stayed or vacated those orders four days later, and
    made an interim finding suspending father’s visits until a
    properly noticed hearing could be conducted.
    II.    Did the Juvenile Court Abuse Its Discretion in Not
    Allowing Father to Call K.M. as a Witness?
    Although parents have a due process right to cross-examine
    and confront witnesses during dependency proceedings (In re
    Amy M. (1991) 
    232 Cal.App.3d 849
    , 867-868 (Amy M.)), that right
    is less than “‘full-fledged’” (J.H. v. Superior Court (2018) 
    20 Cal.App.5th 530
    , 536); a juvenile court retains discretion to
    preclude live testimony from a child witness where “[(1)] the
    child’s desires and wishes can be directly presented without live
    testimony, [(2)] where the issues to be resolved would not be
    materially affected by the child’s testimony, and [(3)] where it is
    shown that the child would be psychologically damaged by being
    required to testify” (In re Jennifer J. (1992) 
    8 Cal.App.4th 1080
    ,
    1089 (Jennifer J.); see also In re Daniela G. (2018) 
    23 Cal.App.5th 1083
    , 1086-1087 (Daniela G.); In re Juan H. (1992) 
    11 Cal.App.4th 169
    , 172-173; cf. Amy M., at pp. 863-865 [error to
    exclude child witness where there was no substitute for his
    material testimony on disputed issue]). We review a juvenile
    court’s exclusion of a child’s testimony for abuse of discretion, and
    review any subsidiary factual findings for substantial evidence.
    (Daniela G., at p. 1090; Jennifer J., at p. 1088.)
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    The juvenile court did not abuse its discretion in denying
    father’s request to call K.M. as a witness.
    To begin, to the extent father urges error because the
    juvenile court did not consider having K.M. testify in chambers,
    father has forfeited that argument by not asking the juvenile
    court for such an accommodation. (Daniela G., supra, 23
    Cal.App.5th at p. 1090.) Father responds that his forfeiture
    should be excused because he would have requested that
    procedure “in writing” had he been given prior notice that the
    court would consider terminating jurisdiction at the October 13,
    2022 hearing, but an oral request would have sufficed and, more
    to the point, father did not ask for in-chambers testimony at the
    subsequent hearing on November 17, 2022, for which father was
    given prior notice.
    The juvenile court’s order denying father’s request to call
    K.M. as a witness was not an abuse of discretion in any event
    because substantial evidence supports the findings that (1) K.M.’s
    wishes were presented, often verbatim, in the Department’s
    reports (cf. Amy M., supra, 232 Cal.App.3d at pp. 865-866 [error
    not to allow testimony where no reports were based on child’s
    own articulation of their views]); (2) K.M.’s testimony would not
    materially affect the pending issues (In re Jacob P. (2007) 
    157 Cal.App.4th 819
    , 832 [child’s wishes “cannot be dispositive”]; In
    re Patrick S. (2013) 
    218 Cal.App.4th 1254
    , 1265 [same, “even
    when that child is a teenager”]); and (3) K.M. would be “further
    traumatize[d]” from testifying considering father’s uncontested
    emotional abuse against her.
    Father responds with several contentions that reduce to a
    single argument. He argues that he was entitled to elicit
    testimony from K.M. “firsthand” to rebut the “self-serving”
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    characterizations in mother’s petition that father’s behavior was
    harmful to K.M.’s “mental health” and to uncover that K.M. had
    been “coach[ed].” Father ignores that there was already ample
    evidence in the Department’s reports—and exhibited by father
    himself in the courtroom—substantiating the claims in mother’s
    petition that father’s fixation on control and unchecked anger
    was damaging to K.M.’s well-being. What is more, the juvenile
    court ordered the Department to interview K.M. in a neutral
    location to root out any inappropriate coaching; there was none.
    III. Did the Court Improperly Remove K.M.?
    Father argues that K.M. was removed from him on October
    13, 2022—when the juvenile court initially granted mother’s
    section 388 petition, terminated jurisdiction, and issued an exit
    order placing K.M. in mother’s sole custody—without first
    making removal findings. To the extent this issue involves the
    interpretation of statutes or the application of law to undisputed
    facts, our review is de novo (Lockyer, supra, 24 Cal.4th at p. 432;
    R.C., supra, 196 Cal.App.4th at p. 748); to the extent it involves
    the evaluation of factual findings, we review only for substantial
    evidence (In re R.T. (2017) 
    3 Cal.5th 622
    , 633). Father’s
    argument lacks merit for two reasons.
    First, although a juvenile court may not remove a child
    from her parent unless the court has found, by clear and
    convincing evidence (and as pertinent here), that “[t]here is or
    would be a substantial danger to the physical health, safety,
    protection, or physical or emotional well-being of the [child] if the
    [child] were returned home” (§ 361, subd. (c)(1)),9 this standard
    9     Section 361, subdivision (c)(1), also requires a finding that
    there are no reasonable means short of removal that would
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    does not apply when a court is deciding whether to terminate its
    jurisdiction at a section 364 review hearing (or issuing an exit
    order). (In re J.M. (2023) 
    89 Cal.App.5th 95
    , 113-115 (J.M.) [so
    holding, and rejecting an argument identical to father’s].)
    Although J.M. was decided weeks before father filed his opening
    brief and months before he filed his late-filed reply brief and
    notice of additional authority, father nowhere cites this on-point
    but adverse precedent.
    Second, even if a court were required to make a removal
    finding when issuing an exit order upon terminating jurisdiction,
    the juvenile court here made that finding. On October 13, 2022,
    the court explicitly “ma[de] a detriment finding” that warranted
    limiting father to one hour of visitation per month, and on
    October 17, 2022, made a further “temporary detriment finding”
    before reinstating its original order on November 17, 2022. A
    finding that a child would suffer “detriment” if placed with a
    parent is equivalent to a finding that “[t]here is or would be a
    substantial danger” to the child’s health and well-being within
    the meaning of the removal statute. (J.M., supra, 89 Cal.App.5th
    at p. 113 [treating the two as interchangeable].) Although the
    juvenile court did not expressly make its finding “by clear and
    convincing evidence,” we may infer that the court is aware of the
    requirement to do so and made its finding by that standard of
    proof (e.g., People v. Asghedom (2015) 
    243 Cal.App.4th 718
    , 725
    [appellate courts must infer trial court applied proper standard of
    proof absent evidence to contrary]), and we conclude that any
    failure to do so is harmless beyond a reasonable doubt in light of
    protect the child’s health, but father does not fault the juvenile
    court for not making that finding.
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    the overwhelming evidence of father’s abusive and controlling
    behavior.
    IV. Was the Therapist Improperly Delegated Judicial
    Power Over Visitation?
    Father argues that the exit order must be reversed because
    the juvenile court improperly delegated power over his visitation
    with K.M. to K.M.’s therapist.
    A visitation order that actually or effectively allows a third
    party—including social workers, therapists, or the child herself—
    to decide whether visitation occurs at all is impermissible
    because it erroneously delegates the judicial power to decide
    visitation. (In re S.H. (2003) 
    111 Cal.App.4th 310
    , 317-319; In re
    Julie M. (1999) 
    69 Cal.App.4th 41
    , 48-49; In re Korbin Z. (2016) 
    3 Cal.App.5th 511
    , 516-517; In re Hunter S. (2006) 
    142 Cal.App.4th 1497
    , 1504-1508.) However, a juvenile court may delegate the
    responsibility to manage details of visitation, such as the time,
    place, and manner of the visit. (In re Moriah T. (1994) 
    23 Cal.App.4th 1367
    , 1374-1376.) Although we independently
    review the legal question whether a juvenile court has
    unconstitutionally delegated its judicial power (see Taylor, 
    supra,
    60 Cal.4th at p. 1035 [constitutional questions reviewed de
    novo]), we review orders setting the terms of visitation for an
    abuse of discretion (In re Brittany C. (2011) 
    191 Cal.App.4th 1343
    , 1356; Bridget A. v. Superior Court (2007) 
    148 Cal.App.4th 285
    , 300).
    The juvenile court did not impermissibly delegate its
    authority to fix parental visitation. The exit order explicitly fixed
    the frequency of visits when it specified that father would visit
    K.M. once per month “in a therapeutic setting in conjoint
    counseling when [K.M.’s] therapist determines it is appropriate.”
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    The only aspect of visitation delegated to the therapist was when
    the court’s order authorizing visitation takes effect. This more
    limited delegation is not impermissible. In Chantal S., 
    supra,
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    Cal.4th at pp. 213-215, our Supreme court upheld as valid—and
    not an impermissible delegation—a juvenile court order that
    predicated visitation upon a therapist’s finding that the parent
    has made “satisfactory progress.” As in Chantal S., the juvenile
    court made visitation contingent upon the therapist’s
    determination of when such visits would be “appropriate” (no
    doubt due to the progress of both father and K.M. in their
    therapy); indeed, making visitation contingent upon a therapist’s
    finding of propriety ostensibly grants father a “windfall” because,
    just like in Chantal S., the court here “would have been within its
    discretion to simply deny father any visitation.” (Id., at p. 214; In
    re C.S. (2022) 
    80 Cal.App.5th 631
    , 640-641 [no improper
    delegation where “therapist’s only role . . . was to decide when it
    was safe for visits to begin”]; cf. In re Donnovan J. (1997) 
    58 Cal.App.4th 1474
    , 1477-1478 [improper delegation where order
    “neither requires that the therapists manage visitation . . . nor
    sets criteria . . . to inform the therapists when visitation is
    appropriate”].)
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    DISPOSITION
    The orders are affirmed.
    NOT TO BE PUBLISHED IN THE OFFICIAL REPORTS.
    ______________________, J.
    HOFFSTADT
    We concur:
    _________________________, P. J.
    LUI
    _________________________, J.
    CHAVEZ
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