Norman v. Ross ( 2024 )


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  • Filed 4/23/24
    CERTIFIED FOR PARTIAL PUBLICATION *
    IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
    SECOND APPELLATE DISTRICT
    DIVISION FOUR
    HAYLEY MARIE NORMAN,                    B316971 consolidated with
    B326626
    Plaintiff and Respondent,
    (Los Angeles County
    v.                             Super. Ct. No. 20STCV35711)
    TRACEE ELLIS ROSS et al.,
    Defendants and Appellants.
    HAYLEY MARIE NORMAN,
    Plaintiff and Appellant,
    v.
    TRACEE ELLIS ROSS et al.,
    Defendants and Respondents.
    *Pursuant to California Rules of Court, rules 8.1100 and
    8.1110, this opinion is certified for publication with the exception
    of part D of the Discussion.
    APPEAL from judgments and an order of the Superior
    Court of Los Angeles County, Laura A. Seigle, Judge. The
    judgments are affirmed; the order is reversed and the matter is
    remanded with instructions.
    Plonsker Law Group, Michael J. Plonsker and Rex D.
    Glensy for Plaintiff and Appellant and for Plaintiff and
    Respondent.
    Mitchell Silberberg & Knupp, Elaine K. Kim, Yakub
    Hazzard for Defendants and Appellants and for Defendants and
    Respondents.
    INTRODUCTION
    Plaintiff Hayley Marie Norman filed a complaint alleging
    that her idea for a television series was stolen by defendants
    Tracee Ellis Ross, Artists First, Kenya Barris, Brian Dobbins,
    Touchstone Productions dba ABC Studios (ABC), and Big
    Breakfast LLC. Norman alleged her idea for a series—which she
    intended to star in, write for, and produce—was turned into a
    sitcom by defendants without her permission or involvement.
    Defendants contend the sitcom, a spinoff of an existing television
    series, was not based on Norman’s ideas.
    Norman filed a complaint alleging breach of implied-in-fact
    contract, breach of confidence, promissory estoppel, and other
    claims. The defendants filed special motions to strike under Code
    of Civil Procedure, section 425.16, the anti-SLAPP statute. 1 The
    1      All further undesignated statutory references are to the
    Code of Civil Procedure. “SLAPP” stands for “strategic lawsuits
    against public participation.” (FilmOn.com Inc. v. DoubleVerify
    Inc. (2019) 
    7 Cal.5th 133
    , 139.) Big Breakfast did not file an anti-
    SLAPP motion, and is not a party to this appeal.
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    trial court granted the motions in full as to Barris, Dobbins, and
    ABC; the court denied the motions in part as to Ross and Artists
    First. The parties cross-appealed the court’s order.
    Upon de novo review, we find that all of Norman’s claims
    arise from protected activity, and the trial court erred in holding
    that parts of Norman’s claims against Ross and Artists First did
    not. We further find that Norman failed to demonstrate a
    probability of success on her causes of action. Thus, we find that
    the special motions to strike should have been granted in full. As
    such, we reverse and remand the court’s order as it pertains to
    Ross and Artists First.
    Defendants moved for attorney fees following the special
    motion to strike, and the trial court granted the motion in part,
    awarding defendants less than 30 percent of the fees they
    requested. Norman separately appealed after judgments were
    entered in favor of Barris, Dobbins, and ABC. She contends the
    trial court erred in not reducing the fee award even further. We
    deny defendants’ motion to dismiss this appeal, find that the
    award was not an abuse of discretion, and therefore affirm the
    judgments entered in favor of Barris, Dobbins, and ABC.
    BACKGROUND
    A.     Factual background
    This case is at the pleadings stage, and therefore the facts
    are not fully developed. The parties did, however, present a
    significant amount of evidence in support of the anti-SLAPP
    motions and oppositions. For purposes of this appeal, the
    following facts are largely undisputed.
    1. Black-ish and the character of Bow
    Defendant Kenya Barris created the television show Black-
    ish, which first aired in 2014. It is a 30-minute sitcom that
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    portrays a family headed by father Andre (Dre) and mother
    Rainbow (Bow) Johnson. Bow, played by defendant Tracee Ellis
    Ross, is biracial, and the show includes themes relating to Bow’s
    experiences as a mixed-race woman. Barris stated in a
    declaration that the character of Bow “was inspired by my wife,
    Dr. Rania ‘Rainbow’ Barris, who is biracial with a black mother
    and a white father.” Barris also stated that the character Bow’s
    “mother Alicia is black and her father Paul is white, and they
    were hippies who raised Bow, and her younger siblings Johan
    and Santamonica, in a commune or ‘cult’ before it got raided by
    the government. As a result, Bow does not share the same
    cultural background and experiences as her husband Dre, who
    grew up in an urban black neighborhood and has two black
    parents. Dre and his parents Pops and Ruby do not view Bow as
    ‘really’ black, while white people see Bow as a black woman.”
    The character of Bow was introduced in the pilot episode of
    Black-ish, which aired in September 2014. In the opening
    moments, Dre, in a voiceover, introduced himself and Bow,
    describing her as a doctor and a “pigment-challenged mixed-race
    woman.” In the second episode, Dre commented that Bow “grew
    up in a house full of naked hippies.”
    Bow’s parents, Paul and Alicia, were introduced in season
    1, episode 16, titled “Parental Guidance,” which aired in March
    2015. The parents were portrayed as hippies, driving an RV that
    “runs on vegetable oil and animal waste,” encouraging Dre to
    warm his “heart with the light from within,” and talking about
    their past participation in civil rights marches. Several episodes
    of Black-ish portray the culture clash between Bow’s hippie
    parents and Dre’s black family, and/or the white side of Bow’s
    family and Dre’s black family. Bow’s brother Johan became a
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    regular character in season 3 of Black-ish, and their sister
    Santamonica appeared in one episode in season 3.
    2.    “Being Bow-racial”
    Bow’s experiences with her racial identity were directly
    addressed in Black-ish season 3 episode 8, “Being Bow-racial,”
    which aired in November 2016. In that episode, Bow and Dre’s
    son, Junior, came home with his new girlfriend Megan, who was
    white. Bow had a strong reaction to seeing Junior with a white
    girlfriend. In a voiceover, Bow explained the history of mixed-
    race children in America, including the children of slaves and
    white owners. She stated that Loving v. Virginia (1967) 
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     (Loving) officially held that states could no longer prohibit
    interracial marriage, which resulted in skyrocketing rates of
    biracial births and “more people with an identity crisis who don’t
    even know what to call themselves, and are always asking,
    ‘Where do I fit in?’”
    The episode shifted back to the present, and Dre’s mother
    suggested to Bow that she can’t like Junior’s girlfriend “if you
    don’t even like yourself. And you don’t even know who you are.”
    Later, Bow’s brother, Johan, suggested to Bow that she always
    had “an identity issue.” The episode flashed back to Bow as a
    child, played by a child actor. Bow was in school, holding a pencil
    and looking at a registration form trying to figure out which
    “race” box to check. Young Bow asked the black teacher walking
    by, “How come there’s not a box for both?” The teacher
    responded, “Baby, you’d better check black.”
    Returning to the present, Bow said to Johan, “It was
    confusing! Didn’t you ever struggle with which box to check? I
    mean if you check one, you’re denying a whole part of yourself.”
    In a later scene Bow told Johan, “I’ve been confused most of my
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    life. Do you remember me in high school?” The scene flashed back
    to teenage Bow played by Ross, looking and talking like a
    character from the film Clueless (Paramount Pictures 1995),
    walking down a school hallway with several white peers. In the
    present, Bow told Johan, “I couldn’t help it though! I mean, that’s
    who we grew up around. Those were my friends.” Johan asked
    skeptically, “Were they?” The scene cut back to the high school
    flashback, where a white friend told teenage Bow, “You should
    like, totally audition for the theater this year. We could really
    use some strong black actors.” Bow looked uncomfortable at the
    mention of her race, but agreed. The flashback then cut to a
    school production of The Wizard of Oz, with Bow playing the part
    of a flying monkey being rolled across the stage on a cart.
    Back in the present, Johan asked Bow why she agreed to
    play a flying monkey. Bow replied, “Admittedly, mistakes were
    made. But if you were in that situation you just—you over-
    compensate. You do what you can to fit in.” Bow continued, “In
    college, with my black friends, I went in hella hard.” Again the
    scene flashed back, this time to Bow in college. She was wearing
    sunglasses, large hoop earrings, and a shirt that revealed her
    midriff. Bow approached a picnic table where several black
    friends were seated and called out, “What up y’all? Oh!” while
    gesturing with her arms. Bow then awkwardly danced and
    launched into a rap of her name.
    Returning to the present, Johan told Bow it was no big deal
    that she “leaned into a few dumb stereotypes to try to get people’s
    approval. Everybody does it.” Bow responded, “Yeah, but not
    everybody is pulled into day-to-day situations where they’re
    forced to pick a side.” The scene flashed back again, this time to
    Bow sitting in the middle of a couch. A group of black young
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    adults was sitting and standing to one side of her, and a group of
    white young adults was on the other side. They were watching a
    television on which the O.J. Simpson verdict was about to be
    read. When the not guilty verdict was announced, Bow initially
    turned to the black side of the room and joined their cheers.
    However, she quickly turned to the white side of the room, saw
    their looks of shock and disappointment, and changed her
    expression. Back in the present, Bow said to Johan, “I’m so
    confused.”
    Bow decided to talk with her white father, Paul, at his RV.
    Bow told him she felt uncomfortable about Junior having a white
    girlfriend, and they discussed her confusion about her racial
    identity. Bow noted that Paul was white, and said she did not
    want to deny that half of herself. Paul suggested that because
    Bow had a black husband and a “black family,” Junior choosing a
    white girlfriend “feels like a rejection.” Bow responded, “Exactly.
    That’s exactly it.” Paul reassured Bow, “you know who you are.”
    Bow nodded and responded, “I know who I am. Thank you.” As
    the scene ended with Paul and Bow hugging, Bow said in a
    voiceover, “So there it was—I had to go back to my past to look at
    my future.”
    3.     Norman’s development of Tragic
    Norman stated in a declaration that she began to develop a
    comedy television series in 2014 or 2015 “based on my own
    experiences growing up as a mixed-race woman in the suburbs.”
    Initially calling the series Mixed, she developed a treatment that
    she filed with the Writers Guild of America in 2016. Norman’s
    series idea was later called Tragic and The Girl With the Hair.
    For ease of reference, we will refer to Norman’s proposed series
    as Tragic.
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    In August 2017, Norman approached defendant production
    company Big Breakfast about selling or producing Tragic.
    Norman worked with producer Jillian Vogel, sending Vogel
    information about Tragic. 2 In some of the early pitches Norman
    developed for the series, she described the show as “Arrested
    Development meets Blackish,” and an “earnest, yet un-PC
    comedy about a biracial woman’s fight to find acceptance in both
    her very White home and very Black workspace.” The show was
    supposed to be a fictionalized version of Norman’s own life, with
    Norman as the star.
    Norman asserts that she sent these materials to Vogel and
    Big Breakfast “with the understanding that pursuant to the
    custom and practice of the entertainment industry, they would be
    kept confidential and not used without payment to me.” Norman
    proposed Tragic as a series that she would write for, star in,
    produce, and “be compensated for all with appropriate credits.”
    Norman and Vogel continued collaborating to develop ideas
    for Tragic. It was suggested that a “mixed-race celebrity” could
    get involved as a producer, and Norman thought Ross would be a
    good fit. Vogel told Norman that Big Breakfast’s parent
    company, Electus, was a “majority stake holder” in defendant
    management company Artists First, and the companies
    sometimes worked together. Vogel told Norman that once the
    Tragic “deck” was done, “I’ll be sharing with our managers at
    [Artists First] – they know of EP [executive producer] level talent
    who may be interested in attaching” to the project.
    2     The series idea went through several iterations; the early
    versions that were never shared with defendants are not
    described in detail here.
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    In October 2017, Vogel sent the deck for Tragic to
    defendant Brian Dobbins, who was Ross’s manager through
    Artists First; Dobbins forwarded the materials to Ross. The
    Tragic deck Dobbins received described the series as “an honest
    and irreverent look at ‘post-racial America’ told by Hayley Marie
    Norman, a biracial comedian who unabashedly confronts her
    identity in everyday interactions.” The character Hayley “grew
    up not even knowing she was black. Living in the mayonnaise-
    white suburb of Agoura Hills will do that to a girl. Although
    she’s forced to visit her parents back home in Agoura Hills often,
    Hayley now lives with her fiancé Sam in the newly labeled East
    Hollywood, a.k.a Little Armenia.”
    As for the “tone” of the show, the deck described Tragic as
    “an off-kilter comedy series that presents an unflinching, self-
    deprecating depiction of the minutiae of Hayley’s everyday life as
    a biracial woman, and the predicaments she gets herself into
    with her friends, family, and complete strangers.” Hayley was to
    be a millennial “who lives in the grey area of ‘Feeling extremely
    self-confident,’ and ‘Waking up at 4AM to delete all the stupid
    shit you said on Instagram when you were feeling yourself.’” The
    deck described other characters including Hayley’s white mother,
    black father, white half-sister, aunts, fiancé, and best friend. The
    deck included a meme-style picture, presumably of Norman as a
    child, with messy hair escaping an off-center ponytail. The
    picture included the words, “when ur mom is white and does ur
    hair for class picture day.”
    The deck stated that each episode of Tragic would start
    with a flashback to the life of “Young Hayley”: “Every episode
    begins with a flashback into Hayley’s uniquely diverse and
    comically misguided coming of age (i.e.[, t]he time her elementary
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    school teacher wouldn’t let her choose both black and white on a
    standardized test . . . ).” In one plot idea, a neighbor watches
    Young Hayley as she enters another neighbor’s house to water
    the plants. In the present day, Hayley is shopping for wedding
    dresses and accuses a salesperson of following her because she’s
    black; a video about the incident goes viral. Another episode’s
    plot involves Christmas; in flashbacks, Young Hayley’s white
    family takes her to see a white Santa Claus and her black family
    takes her to see a black Santa Claus. In the present day,
    Hayley’s family gets upset when Hayley says she is not a
    Christian. In a third episode, Young Hayley runs for fifth grade
    class president, but another student tells her black girls can’t be
    president. In the present day, “Hayley lectures all of her white
    friends on the importance of boycotting the Oscars for being
    #SoWhite, but then gets totallyyyy FOMO when none of them
    invite her to their viewing parties.” In a fourth episode, Young
    Hayley gets detention for talking even though she is not the
    culprit. In the present day, Hayley is arrested for trying to take
    down a Confederate statue, and Hayley’s sister “starts an Etsy
    business with ‘Free Hayley’ t-shirts.” The “season arc” includes
    an engagement party with Hayley’s and Sam’s families; “Hayley’s
    too outspoken, the families clash, a fight erupts, and Hayley and
    Sam are forced to take opposite sides. . . . [Hayley will]
    impulsively call off the wedding.”
    In November 2017, Norman and Big Breakfast entered into
    an agreement, the “Term Sheet,” to develop Tragic and sell it to a
    broadcaster, network, distributor, or other financier. Ross then
    got involved to help develop the project. Norman and Ross first
    met in January 2018 to discuss ideas about Tragic; throughout
    2018, Norman had conversations with Ross, Dobbins, and Vogel
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    about developing Tragic. In March 2018, Ross and Big Breakfast
    entered into a written agreement stating that Ross would assist
    with the development of Tragic, and in return would be attached
    to the series as an executive producer if it was set up with a
    financier.
    In November 2018, a revised version of Tragic (now titled
    The Girl With the Hair) was prepared to pitch to financiers. 3 In
    the revised version of the deck, Norman introduced herself/her
    character: “I’m Hayley Marie Norman, The Girl With The Hair,”
    and described herself as “a biracial woman in a not-so-post-racial
    America, torn between two very different identities, but ever
    hopeful that I’ll eventually discover common ground with my
    family, friends and, more often than you’d expect, complete
    strangers!” The deck stated that Hayley was raised by her single,
    white mother “in a conservative, homogenous Los Angeles
    suburb,” “Nobody in Agoura Hills, or even my own house for that
    matter, looked like me,” and “I didn’t even know I was black!”
    The show was to focus on “Hayley’s personal exploration of
    ‘belonging’ [which] will, naturally, bring up racially charged
    social interactions that are ripe for commentary.” The show
    would be “driven by Hayley’s comically honest, and immensely
    personal, experiences. [¶] The series is Curb Your Enthusiasm
    . . . if Larry David was lovable. And half-black. And larger than
    life.”
    Hayley’s white mother was to be a “neurotic[ ]
    catastrophizer” who lives with a long-term boyfriend. Hayley’s
    black father was to be an unreliable “sweetheart” who loves
    gambling. Hayley’s fiancé, Sam, was to be a musician and former
    3     Multiple versions of a deck are included with Norman’s
    declaration, but it is unclear which one was the final version.
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    addict who is “very white.” The deck asked, “[C]an Hayley really
    claim that she’s pro-black when her own fiancé is white? Even
    her pussy is colonized!” One episode proposal suggested that
    Sam, a former heroin addict, was curious about trying ayahuasca;
    Hayley tries it and has a bad trip. Hayley’s half-sister, who in
    the revised version of the deck is a black character named
    Jazmyn, “has a quick wit and is Black Twitter famous”; she’s
    “eager to date but can’t seem to find a black man she doesn’t
    think is a ‘fucknigga.’” Ross was to play a fairy godmother and
    mentor who “materializes, Cheshire Cat style—hair first, then
    the rest of her fills out.”
    Again the deck stated that each episode would begin with a
    flashback to Hayley’s “comically misguided coming of age,” such
    as “the time her elementary school teacher wouldn’t let her
    choose both the black and white race boxes on a standardized
    exam.” One episode idea was described in detail. The episode
    would begin with a flashback in which Hayley’s white friends
    were shoplifting at a drug store, but Hayley was detained for it.
    In the present day, Hayley uses a lipstick at a store that is not a
    tester, and when a sales associate confronts her, Hayley says she
    didn’t do it and “go[es] on an epic rant . . . about the epidemic and
    dangers of not believing black women.” Hayley then lies about
    having a medical condition in an audition in an attempt to land
    the part of a “real patient” in a commercial. Another episode
    includes the class president/Oscars idea described above, but
    with Hayley’s black half-sister Jazmyn stepping in to show
    Hayley “all the best classic black films that Hayley missed out on
    in her childhood (and which she’s spent her whole life pretending
    to have seen . . . ).” A third episode idea includes Hayley being
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    “forced to spend Thanksgiving with Sam’s Trump supporting
    Evangelical family in the corn fields of Illinois.”
    A written discussion portion of the pitch included a
    conversation-style narrative about the show, including jokes,
    among Ross, Norman, and others. In it, Norman stated that
    when she discussed the show idea with Ross, Ross “told me that
    she too has struggled with the same identity issues I struggle
    with and that every person who doesn’t fit neatly into some
    preconceived box struggles with. . . . And she too has dealt with
    feelings of rejection, and insecurity, and being around black
    people and having to secretly look around to make sure they
    didn’t catch her accidentally clapping off beat.” Ross agreed that
    “[i]t is a real thing that white people clap to music on the 1 and 3
    counts, where black people clap on the 2 and 4.” Hayley also
    said, “I wanted to be cute like Cher from Clueless but people just
    thought I was the babysitter (or alt joke: ppl just looked at me
    like then unpopular unattractive [sic] black character).” Norman
    said she tried to fit in by “bleaching my hair and wearing green
    contacts to try to pass for white and then a month later, when
    that didn’t work, getting cornrows and speaking with an
    affectation to try to pass as fully black.” Vogel stated that the
    show represents “a story that has never been told. Anywhere. On
    any platform. I mean, the idea has been touched on, but it’s not
    an identity that’s been explored in the way it deserves, reflecting
    all of the dimensions of a modern, mixed-race experience.”
    In November 2018, Ross and Norman pitched Tragic to
    Showtime, Netflix, HBO, Hulu, Amazon, and Starz as potential
    financiers. All six companies eventually passed on Tragic.
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    4.     Mixed-ish is developed as a spinoff of Black-ish
    According to defendants, in August 2018, producer and
    director Randall Winston pitched a spinoff idea to Black-ish
    creator Barris. Winston’s idea was to do a retrospective, coming-
    of-age show in the style of The Wonder Years depicting Bow’s
    childhood growing up in suburbia with hippie parents of different
    races. Winston stated in a declaration that he did not know
    Norman or Ross, and he was unaware of Norman’s ideas
    involving Tragic. At Barris’s request, Dobbins, who also
    managed Barris, pitched the idea to ABC. 4
    ABC liked the idea, and initially developed it in a script
    intended for season 5, episode 24 of Black-ish, titled “Becoming
    Bow.” The episode was shot beginning in March 2019. ABC
    ordered a full season of Mixed-ish, and “Becoming Bow” was aired
    as the first episode of Mixed-ish in September 2019.
    “Becoming Bow” began with the family from Black-ish (Dre,
    Bow, and some of their children) discussing Bow’s childhood. Bow
    mentioned that she lived on a “commune” and that she never
    would have met Dre “if the elders hadn’t gotten arrested.”
    The scene flashed back to show Bow as a 12-year-old child,
    with a voiceover by Ross, stating that her childhood was
    “anything but normal.” Young Bow was with other people of all
    ages and races wearing white gowns, dancing together, and
    holding hands. Bow’s voiceover explained that she lived on a
    commune, separate from the problems of the rest of the world—a
    “hippie, judgment-free utopia where love ruled all.” She
    continued, “There was no racism, no sexism, and everyone was
    4    There was an earlier spinoff of Black-ish as well. In
    January 2018, a series called Grown-ish began to air; it focuses
    on Bow and Dre’s adult daughter, Zoey.
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    truly equal.” But the government considered them a “radicalized
    cult” and raided the compound. Ross’s voiceover stated, “In the
    summer of 1985, I was 12 years old. And my life changed
    forever.”
    Young Bow, her parents (Paul and Alicia), her younger
    brother Johan (age 7), and their younger sister Santamonica (age
    5) moved to Paul’s father’s “rental house” in a nondescript
    suburb, which Bow said felt like “a whole other planet.” Young
    Bow, Johan, and Santamonica were fascinated with things like
    electric lights and flush toilets. As the episode progressed, Ross’s
    voiceover explained that her father Paul and mother Alicia met
    at Berkeley law school; Paul dropped out “as a protest against the
    glass ceiling of classism,” and Alicia graduated. Paul’s father,
    Harrison, was introduced as an “ambulance-chasing
    multimillionaire owner of a personal injury law firm” who
    “might’ve voted for Reagan, but he loved his brown grandkids.”
    Later, Harrison, acting very amped up, said to Alicia, “I do
    cocaine.”
    Young Bow and her siblings began attending school, where
    they were “introduced to the real world.” As the three children
    walked through a cafeteria with black kids sitting on one side
    and white kids sitting on the other, Ross’s voiceover stated that
    the siblings were faced with “a question that would follow us for
    the rest of our lives”: what it means to be “mixed.” The voiceover
    explained that “growing up on the commune, race wasn’t a
    thing.” And because Loving did not legalize interracial marriage
    until the 1960s, Bow and her siblings “were basically the beta
    testers for biraciality.” The voiceover said, “Imagine being the
    new kid when no one in the world is like you. Not even your
    parents.” Johan and Santamonica each decided to “pick a side”—
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    Johan began sitting with the black kids and Santamonica began
    sitting with the white kids. Back at home, Bow told her father
    she was struggling because “I feel like if I choose being white, I’m
    giving up on mom. And if I choose being black, I’m giving up on
    you.” Both parents reassured Bow that together they would find
    a way to move forward.
    The series remained set in 1985, with Bow as the main
    character living with her parents and siblings as they attempted
    to navigate the culture clashes arising from moving from a
    commune to an American suburb, and from being mixed-race.
    Ross’s voiceovers continued to narrate the episodes and explain
    historical context. Two extended family members regularly
    visited the family: Alicia’s sister Denise, and Paul’s father
    Harrison, who also became Alicia’s boss when she began working
    for his law firm. Much of the familial conflict centered around
    the hippie parents’ views conflicting with the more mainstream
    ideas of Denise and Harrison.
    Additional parts of Mixed-ish are relevant to Norman’s
    claims, including the following. In season 1, episode 2, “The
    Warrior,” while Bow was still torn between choosing to assimilate
    with the white or black kids at school, she ran through one
    scenario in which she chose the white side, and a disembodied
    voice deemed her “as white as can be; I hope you enjoy clapping
    on the 1 and the 3.” Season 1, episode 3, “Let Your Hair Down,”
    focused on the children’s hair as school picture day approached,
    and the children’s struggle between being proud of their natural
    hair versus changing it to fit in with peers and popular styles.
    Episode 5, “All She Wants to Do is Dance,” involved Bow asking
    her crush, a white boy, to a Sadie Hawkins dance.
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    Barris, Ross, and Peter Saji were credited with creating
    Mixed-ish.
    B.     Complaint
    Norman alleged that in February 2019, she “learned from
    articles in the press that ABC was in development of a new
    series, a spin-off of ‘Black-ish,’ created by, among others, Ross
    and Barris, to be produced by Artists First, the sister company of
    Big Breakfast and which represents both Ross and Barris. And,
    this supposed newly-created show was going to be about exactly
    what [Tragic] is about – a 30-minute sitcom that, employing
    flashbacks, follows the journey of a mixed race female protagonist
    as she grapples with her biracial identity while living [in] the
    suburbs surrounded by both sides of her African American and
    Caucasian families.” Norman alleged that as she shared her
    ideas about Tragic, “Big Breakfast, Dobbins, and, . . . Ross
    portrayed themselves as friends and mentors to Norman, while at
    the same time they were plotting and scheming to steal her show
    and pass it off as their own.”
    On September 18, 2020, Norman filed a complaint alleging
    eight causes of action against Big Breakfast, Ross, Barris,
    Dobbins, Artists First, and ABC. Her first cause of action for
    breach of written contract and second cause of action for breach
    of the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing against only
    Big Breakfast are not at issue in this appeal. In short, they
    alleged that Big Breakfast breached its contract with Norman
    and acted in bad faith by allowing its sister company, Artists
    First, to exploit Tragic without involving or compensating
    Norman.
    In Norman’s third cause of action for promissory estoppel
    against Ross, Norman alleged that Ross “made a clear and
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    unambiguous promise to Norman that she would help guide
    Norman and ensure that [Tragic] would be developed with Ross’s
    experienced knowhow in the entertainment industry.” Norman
    alleged that in reliance on those promises, she shared her
    creative ideas with Ross and “continued to work with her on the
    project.” Norman alleged she suffered damages as a “direct and
    proximate result of Ross’s actions.”
    In her fourth cause of action for breach of implied-in-fact
    contract against Big Breakfast, Ross, Barris, and Artists First,
    Norman alleged “it was agreed, understood, conveyed by Norman,
    or otherwise implied, that if any of the above-mentioned parties
    intended to utilize any element of [Tragic, they] would obtain
    Norman’s consent and . . . she would be duly compensated, would
    be a producer on the series, and would be given both an acting
    role and proper screen credit.” Norman alleged these defendants
    “breach[ed] the implied contract by accepting the idea” for Tragic,
    “and then proceeding to write, develop, produce, distribute and
    exploit Norman’s submission with [sic] obtaining her consent,
    without compensating her for her submission of these materials, .
    . . and without giving her an acting role and screen credit.”
    In her fifth cause of action for breach of confidence against
    Big Breakfast, Ross, Barris, and Artists First, Norman alleged
    she provided information about her ideas for Tragic with the
    understanding that these defendants would “treat her ideas and
    work product as proprietary and confidential,” and “would not
    disclose or otherwise utilize her ideas and work product . . .
    unless such disclosure and utilization was on her behalf with
    compensation, an acting role, a producer role, and screen credit.”
    Norman alleged these defendants “intentionally used Norman’s
    ideas and work product . . . to their own advantage in developing
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    ‘Mixed-ish’ [which] constitutes a breach of the confidential
    relationship between Norman and Defendants.”
    In her sixth cause of action for intentional
    misrepresentation against Big Breakfast, Ross, Dobbins, and
    Artists First, Norman alleged, “Big Breakfast represented to
    Norman that should Big Breakfast be able to set up Norman’s
    Series with any entity for the purpose of exploiting such series,
    Norman would be attached to the project as executive producer,
    writer, and actress. Big Breakfast further represented to
    Norman during these negotiations and continuing during the
    term of the Agreement that it would use its best efforts to ensure
    that Norman’s position would be protected and that she would
    benefit from any sale of her series.” Ross and Dobbins also
    promised to help Norman develop Tragic. Norman contended
    that “[t]hese representations and omissions were false and
    defendants . . . knew them to be false and fraudulent because
    defendants . . . knew at the time of some or all of these
    representations and omissions that they intended to appropriate
    [Tragic] for themselves without having any intention of attaching
    Norman in any manner to the series ‘Mixed-ish.’”
    In her seventh cause of action for intentional interference
    with contract against Ross, Barris, Artists First, and ABC,
    Norman alleged that she and Big Breakfast had a contract (the
    term sheet), the named defendants knew of the contract, and
    they “intended to disrupt and interfere with the performance” of
    the contract by “engaging in a scheme to rip off” Tragic. Norman
    alleged that defendants knew she would be harmed, and she was
    in fact harmed.
    In her eighth cause of action for inducing breach of contract
    against Ross, Barris, Artists First, and ABC, Norman alleged the
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    defendants knew about her contract with Big Breakfast, “induced
    Big Breakfast, and its representatives, not to perform under the
    terms of the Agreement and to deny Norman all of her benefits
    outlined by said Agreement.” She asserted that the defendants
    “intended to influence, direct, or cause Big Breakfast to commit
    the above-described breaches because they knew that each of
    them would benefit from such breaches. Among other benefits,
    Ross and Barris are credited as creators of ‘Mixed-ish,’ Ross is the
    on-screen narrator of ‘Mixed-ish,’ Artists First is credited as a
    producer of ‘Mixed-ish,’ and ABC is the network on which ‘Mixed-
    ish’ airs. Defendants . . . receive revenue from the production and
    distribution of ‘Mixed-ish,- thereby enriching themselves at the
    expense of Norman.”
    For each cause of action, Norman asserted she had been
    damaged “in an amount equal to at least $5,000,000.” She also
    asserted punitive damages allegations. Norman requested
    restitution of “all monies made pursuant to defendants’ unjust
    enrichment,” as well as costs, attorney fees, interest, and any
    other damages the court deemed appropriate.
    C.     Special motions to strike
    All defendants except Big Breakfast filed three special
    motions to strike under the anti-SLAPP statute, section 425.16:
    one by ABC, one by Barris, and one by Ross, Dobbins, and Artists
    First. “Resolution of an anti-SLAPP motion involves two steps.
    First, the defendant must establish that the challenged claim
    arises from activity protected by section 425.16. [Citation.] If the
    defendant makes the required showing, the burden shifts to the
    plaintiff to demonstrate the merit of the claim by establishing a
    probability of success.” (Baral v. Schnitt (2016) 
    1 Cal.5th 376
    ,
    384 (Baral).) “The court does not weigh evidence or resolve
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    conflicting factual claims. Its inquiry is limited to whether the
    plaintiff has stated a legally sufficient claim and made a prima
    facie factual showing sufficient to sustain a favorable judgment.
    It accepts the plaintiff’s evidence as true, and evaluates the
    defendant’s showing only to determine if it defeats the plaintiff’s
    claim as a matter of law. [Citation.] ‘[C]laims with the requisite
    minimal merit may proceed.’” (Id. at pp. 384-385.) When “claims
    are stricken from the pleadings for lack of merit, [the plaintiff]
    may no longer seek to impose liability on defendants for having
    engaged in these protected acts.” (Bonni v. St. Joseph Health
    System (2021) 
    11 Cal.5th 995
    , 1019 (Bonni).)
    Section 425.16, subdivision (e) describes four categories of
    protected activities “in furtherance of a person’s right of petition
    or free speech,” including “(3) any written or oral statement or
    writing made in a place open to the public or a public forum in
    connection with an issue of public interest, or (4) any other
    conduct in furtherance of the exercise of the constitutional right
    of petition or the constitutional right of free speech in connection
    with a public issue or an issue of public interest.” (§ 425.16,
    subd. (e).)
    1.    Step one: Arising from protected activity
    Regarding the first step of the anti-SLAPP analysis, the
    moving defendants 5 asserted that the gravamen of Norman’s
    claims was that the defendants stole Tragic and used it to create
    5      The moving defendants are represented by the same
    counsel, they each incorporated the other motions, and their
    arguments overlap. We refer to them hereinafter as
    “defendants.” With their motions, defendants filed over 800
    pages of supporting documents, and a USB drive containing four
    full seasons of Black-ish and one full season of Mixed-ish.
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    Mixed-ish. They argued that Norman’s claims therefore arose
    from protected activity because Mixed-ish was a “written or oral
    statement . . . made in a place open to the public or a public
    forum in connection with an issue of public interest” under
    section 425.16, subdivision (e)(3). Defendants also asserted that
    all parts of developing and creating the show, including its
    casting and any broadcast, constituted conduct in furtherance of
    free speech in connection with an issue of public interest under
    section 425.16, subdivision (e)(4).
    Defendants noted that the causes of action for promissory
    estoppel and intentional misrepresentation were based on
    defendants’ actions in collaborating with Norman for purposes of
    developing Tragic, which was protected activity. Defendants
    argued that Norman’s causes of action for breach of implied-in-
    fact contract and breach of confidence arose from these
    defendants’ purported use and disclosure of Tragic materials in
    the making of Mixed-ish, which was also protected activity.
    Finally, they argued that the causes of action for intentional
    interference with a contract and inducing breach of contract arose
    from the alleged scheme to “rip off” Tragic and in producing
    Mixed-ish, which was protected activity.
    2.    Step two: Probability of success
    Moving to the second step of the anti-SLAPP analysis,
    defendants asserted that Norman did not have a probability of
    prevailing on any of her causes of action.
    Barris submitted a declaration stating that he never
    received the materials for Tragic, and that Mixed-ish was created
    from characters and themes that had been central to Black-ish
    for years: “We developed Bow as a character over many episodes
    and seasons of Black-ish.” Dobbins stated in a declaration that
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    he “never pitched or discussed Tragic/The Girl With The Hair
    with Mr. Barris, and I never sent any of the materials to him.”
    Producer and director Randall Winston submitted a
    declaration that he worked with ABC from about June 2018 to
    June 2020. He stated that he had long wanted to do a television
    series about “growing up as an African-American in a largely
    white suburb during the 1970s and ‘80s.” Winston said he
    “conceived the idea of producing a television comedy series that
    would draw upon those experiences, using a Wonder Years
    format,” a coming-of-age show narrated retrospectively by an
    adult looking back on childhood experiences. He “realized that
    the ‘Black Wonder Years’ idea could be done through ABC’s
    current television series, Black-ish,” focusing on Bow’s
    background.
    Winston stated that he pitched the idea to Barris the week
    of August 12, 2018. Winston stated that “Peter Saji, a writer and
    producer on Black-ish, later came on board to co-write the script
    for the episode that eventually became titled ‘Becoming Bow.’
    The plan was for the episode to be aired as part of Black-ish (the
    final episode of the season then airing), and that based on that
    episode, ABC network would decide whether or not to order
    additional episodes or a series.” Winston stated that he had
    never heard of Norman, he had never received Norman’s ideas,
    and he was not aware of any materials relating to Tragic. 6
    Syndee Rimes, Vice President of Current Programming for
    ABC, stated in a declaration that Black-ish season 5, episode 24
    was titled “Becoming Bow” and was shot starting in March 2019.
    Rimes stated, “In May 2019, after viewing the episode, ABC
    6     Winston’s assistant, Daniel Samiljan, submitted a
    declaration supporting Winston’s version of events.
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    Network ordered it to series, and ABC Network decided to air the
    ‘Becoming Bow’ episode as the first episode of” Mixed-ish. Rimes
    also stated, “Big Breakfast was not and has never been involved
    in the production or distribution of ‘Becoming Bow’ or Mixed-ish.
    Mixed-ish is a spin-off of Black-ish, not a television series project
    called ‘Tragic’ or ‘The Girl With The Hair’ relating to Plaintiff or
    Big Breakfast.”
    Ross submitted a declaration stating that she had played
    Dr. Rainbow “Bow” Johnson on Black-ish since 2014, and the
    “fact that Bow is mixed and not completely black has been a
    running theme starting with the Black-ish pilot.” Ross stated
    that like the character Bow, she is also biracial. Ross also noted
    that she “founded a natural hair product company called Pattern
    Beauty for people with curly hair,” and “[t]he Pattern Beauty
    product line has been a huge success and well received by many
    curly/coil/textured-haired consumers.”
    Ross also stated in her declaration that she was approached
    about helping to develop Tragic, and “[i]n return for contributing
    to the development, I would be attached to the Tragic Series as
    an executive producer, conditioned on Big Breakfast being able to
    set up the series with a Financier (e.g., broadcaster, online
    streaming platform or studio) and on me reaching an agreement
    about such attachment with the Financier.” Dobbins stated that
    in late 2017, he received the Tragic materials with a request that
    he send them to Ross. Dobbins did so.
    Ross stated that in 2018 she entered into an agreement
    with Big Breakfast to help develop Tragic, and “[o]ver the course
    of 2018, I contributed my ideas, input, experience, and knowhow
    to develop Tragic/The Girl With The Hair.” Ross stated, “On
    November 12 and 13, 2018, I participated in two days of pitches
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    of The Girl With The Hair to Showtime, Netflix, HBO, Hulu,
    Amazon, and Starz as potential Financiers. I did my best to try
    to persuade these companies to accept Tragic/The Girl With The
    Hair. However, I later learned that all of them had passed.” She
    continued, “I did not disclose any of the materials, elements, or
    ideas from Tragic/The Girl With The Hair or anything about Ms.
    Norman to Kenya Barris, Randall Winston, or Peter Saji. Nor
    did I use any of the materials, elements, or ideas from Tragic/The
    Girl With The Hair or Ms. Norman to create Mixed-ish.”
    Luke Kelly-Clyne, president of Big Breakfast, submitted a
    declaration stating that for certain projects, “Big Breakfast
    acquires the exclusive rights to creative projects and content . . .
    for Big Breakfast to then develop and shop to distributors or
    other financiers (‘Financiers’). . . . That was the case with the
    television series project that relates to Plaintiff Hayley Marie
    Norman, which was initially called ‘Tragic.’” Kelly-Clyne
    continued, “Big Breakfast had no agreement or understanding
    with Ms. Norman that Big Breakfast could not, without Ms.
    Norman’s consent, develop or become involved with another
    project that used elements or ideas also in or relating to Tragic.”
    Kelly-Clyne discussed reaching out to Ross regarding Tragic, and
    stated, “As Big Breakfast had the exclusive rights to Tragic and
    owned the development, we did not communicate to Ms. Ross or
    her manager Brian Dobbins at [Artists First] that the Tragic
    project or ideas were Ms. Norman’s proprietary and confidential
    information.” He stated that no one at Big Breakfast spoke with
    Barris or Saji about Tragic or sent them any materials regarding
    Tragic. He also stated, “Big Breakfast did not set up Tragic/The
    Girl With The Hair, under any title, with ABC Studios or ABC
    network, either directly or through Artists First, Brian Dobbins,
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    or any other entity or person.” Kelly-Clyne stated that Big
    Breakfast had no role in developing Mixed-ish or any Black-ish
    episodes.
    In their special motions to strike, defendants argued that in
    light of this evidence, Norman could not demonstrate a
    probability of success. For the promissory estoppel cause of
    action, defendants asserted that Ross’s alleged promises to “help
    guide” Norman and “develop” Tragic were far from the “clear and
    unambiguous” promises required for a promissory estoppel claim.
    They also asserted that Norman could not show detrimental
    reliance, because the Tragic materials were sent to Ross before
    Ross and Norman spoke, and “Ross’s purported promise did not
    induce ‘a change of position.’”
    As to Norman’s cause of action for breach of implied-in-fact
    contract, defendants asserted that Norman could not establish
    that she conveyed her ideas to defendants based on an agreement
    to pay for those ideas if used. Defendants argued that based on
    Norman’s agreement with Big Breakfast (BB), she “granted the
    exclusive rights to all pre-existing materials to BB and agreed to
    develop Tragic for BB, which BB would own,” which undermined
    Norman’s claims that she offered to provide her ideas to
    defendants for compensation.
    Defendants also argued that Norman could not prove
    defendants used Tragic because she could not demonstrate that
    the two series were substantially similar. They relied in part on
    Ryder v. Lightstorm Entertainment, Inc. (2016) 
    246 Cal.App.4th 1064
    , 1072-1073 (Ryder), which states that when a plaintiff
    alleges the defendants used the plaintiff’s ideas without
    permission, such a claim “requires proof that defendants used his
    [or her] ideas,” and “‘use’ of an idea can be inferred from evidence
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    showing the defendant had access to the plaintiff’s idea and the
    parties’ ideas are similar.” Ryder also requires works to be
    “substantially similar.” (Id at p. 1073.)
    Defendants asserted that Norman could not make such a
    showing, and pointed out several differences between the two
    series. For example, while Tragic was intended to be set in the
    present day, focused on the life of adult Hayley, and include
    flashbacks to Hayley’s past, Mixed-ish was entirely set in 1985
    and proceeded linearly from the time Bow’s family moved from
    the commune to the suburbs. Another example was that “Mixed-
    ish presents a cohesive nuclear family as the place where identity
    can safely develop. Tragic is the opposite: It stresses dysfunction,
    familial and personal. Themes about identity and belonging were
    in Black-ish, but in any case, such a broad similarity is not
    actionable.”
    Defendants also noted that Mixed-ish was based on
    characters that had been created and developed years before
    Norman created Tragic. Defendants noted that Bow’s mixed race
    and issues of her fitting in with Dre’s black family due to her
    unique background were running themes in Black-ish.
    Defendants argued that certain elements of Tragic—such as the
    mixed-race protagonist addressing issues of belonging, not fitting
    in, and not knowing which “race” box to pick on a school form—
    had specifically been explored in the “Being Bow-racial” episode
    of Black-ish. Defendants also noted that Black-ish was about a
    black family living in a majority white suburb.
    As to Norman’s breach of confidence cause of action,
    defendants asserted that Norman “cannot show that the Tragic
    elements allegedly used in Mixed-ish were her confidential and
    novel information, including because Barris had already created
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    Bow and her backstory in Black-ish. The Norman/BB Agreement
    also gave BB the exclusive rights without an obligation of
    confidentiality, and BB did not give actual notice to [Artists First]
    and Ross that the idea of a mixed-race woman grappling with her
    biracial identity or other ideas were Plaintiff’s confidential
    property.”
    Regarding Norman’s cause of action for intentional
    misrepresentation, defendants asserted that Norman could not
    show misrepresentation, detrimental reliance, or damages.
    Defendants argued that Ross and Dobbins did assist in
    developing Tragic, so any alleged promises to help develop Tragic
    could not be misrepresentations. Defendants further asserted
    that “[t]here was no detrimental reliance, because BB disclosed
    Tragic to Ross, Dobbins, and AF before they allegedly made any
    promise, and BB already controlled Tragic” at the time.
    Regarding intentional interference with contract and
    inducing breach of contract, defendants asserted that none of the
    defendants knew the terms of the contract between Norman and
    Big Breakfast. They also asserted that Norman could not prove
    that defendants’ actions actually disrupted the contract.
    Defendants further asserted that all of Norman’s claims
    were preempted by the Copyright Act.
    D.     Norman’s motion seeking discovery
    Norman moved for an order allowing discovery regarding
    the creation of Mixed-ish; the timing of when defendants were
    apprised of the existence of the contract between Big Breakfast
    and Norman; and the relationship between Big Breakfast, Artists
    First, and their parent company, Electus. Norman asserted that
    because defendants claimed to have no knowledge of Norman’s
    agreement with Big Breakfast, she should be able to conduct
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    discovery as to what defendants knew and when they knew it.
    She also asserted that Big Breakfast “is part of a family of
    companies owned by Electus, LLC, to which Defendant Artists
    First (also owned by Electus) also belongs, and who Norman
    alleges were all acting on behalf of one another on the Norman
    Series.” Norman proposed 16 categories of document requests
    and asked to depose 11 witnesses, including Ross, Dobbins,
    Barris, and Winston.
    Defendants opposed Norman’s motion, characterizing it as
    “fishing-expedition requests for unspecific, sweeping, and highly
    burdensome discovery.” According to a minute order, the court
    granted the motion for limited discovery, and denied the
    remainder. There is no clear court order in the record detailing
    which parts of the motion were granted and which were denied.
    E.     Norman’s oppositions to the special motions to strike
    1.    Step one: Arising from protected activity
    In her oppositions to defendants’ motions, Norman asserted
    that the anti-SLAPP statute did not apply to any of her causes of
    action. She argued that the “gravamen of each cause of action in
    [the] Complaint is each of the Defendants’ failure to compensate
    her,” which “does not implicate the anti-SLAPP statute.” She
    also asserted, “All of Norman’s claims arise from Defendants’
    failure to compensate Plaintiff for use of her ideas. . . . Had
    Defendants compensated Norman, there would not have been a
    lawsuit.”
    Relying heavily on an unpublished case from the Central
    District of California, Jordan-Benel v. Universal City Studios,
    Inc. (C.D. Cal., June 24, 2015, No. CV-14-5577-MWF MRWX)
    aff’d (9th Cir. 2017) 
    859 F.3d 1184
    , Norman argued, “The failure
    to compensate Norman pursuant to private interactions between
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    the parties (whether in contracts or tort) is not activity that
    implicates the anti-SLAPP statute.” She also asserted, “it is not
    the act of making Mixed-ish that is the ‘principal thrust’ of the
    Complaint, but Defendants’ failure to pay for the use of her
    ideas.”
    2.     Step two: Probability of success
    In support of her opposition, Norman submitted a
    declaration discussing her creation of Tragic, and her work with
    Big Breakfast and Vogel, and eventually Ross, to develop it. She
    attached various communications with Vogel and Ross, multiple
    versions of the Tragic deck, and her agreement with Big
    Breakfast.
    Norman argued that none of her claims was preempted by
    copyright law. She also disagreed with defendants’ argument
    about prior creation, asserting, “Mixed-ish was not created in a
    2016 episode of Black-ish merely because a Mixed-ish character
    appeared in a single episode of Black-ish.”
    Norman acknowledged that a substantial similarity finding
    was required to show use of an idea, but asserted that “finding
    one substantially similar element is enough.” In her declaration,
    Norman asserted that Tragic and Mixed-ish included numerous
    similar elements, including, “The macro-element contained in all
    of the materials regarding [Tragic] . . . includes the ‘way in’ to the
    show—meaning flashbacks (Mixed-ish is one big flashback) and
    telling this story from a mixed-race female’s viewpoint and
    having her conflicting black and white backgrounds portrayed by
    both sides of her white and black family.” Norman also included
    a 30-point detailed list of items that she alleged were similar in
    the two series, including “the protagonist’s desire to fit in and not
    knowing where she belonged”; “[Tragic] opens with a flashback of
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    the main character at 12 years old—Mixed-ish begins with the
    Rainbow character being 12 years old”; interracial dating
    generally, and specifically 12-year-old Bow asking a white boy to
    a dance and Hayley’s fiancé being white; Mixed-ish’s episode
    about hair on school picture day and Norman’s meme about hair
    on school picture day; “[t]he idea of belonging”; a joke about
    clapping on the 1 and the 3; the protagonist experiencing self-
    doubt; not understanding black friends’ references; the setting of
    Mixed-ish is suburban and Hayley of Tragic grew up in the
    suburbs; conservative in-laws; grandparents who suffer from
    addiction; “[t]he whole idea of not being aware of your race is
    lifted from [Tragic]”; feeling like one is forced to “choose sides” or
    choose a parent; and trying to fit in with racial stereotypes.
    Norman asserted in her declaration that when she sent the
    Tragic materials to Vogel at Big Breakfast, she did so “with the
    understanding that pursuant to the custom and practice of the
    entertainment industry, they would be kept confidential and not
    used without payment to me.” She stated that according to her
    November 2017 agreement with Big Breakfast, “I granted BB the
    right to use the Pre-Existing Materials for the sole purpose of
    bringing [Tragic] to air. Any materials developed during the term
    of the Agreement (the ‘Pitch Materials’) were the property of BB
    subject to a reversionary right in my favor.” Norman stated that
    all rights to the materials had since reverted to her.
    Norman stated that after Ross had received the Tragic
    materials, Norman’s “goal was to sell the series to Ross by . . .
    sharing ideas, concepts, and stories about [Tragic] directly with
    her. I understood like I did for my disclosures to BB, that my
    sharing of my materials was done on a confidential basis and that
    none of these materials would be used without me being paid
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    pursuant to the custom in the entertainment industry.” Norman
    argued in her opposition that “Ross knew or should have known
    that Norman’s disclosures were confidential and that Ross could
    not use the materials disclosed without including and
    compensating Norman, thus establishing an implied contract.”
    She also argued that her agreement with Big Breakfast had no
    effect on her ability to contract with defendants.
    Norman further contended that she had established her
    cause of action for breach of confidentiality, because defendants
    knew the disclosures were confidential. She relied in part on a
    declaration from an expert witness, Richard Marks, who stated
    that such materials are typically considered confidential.
    Norman asserted that she showed a probability of
    prevailing on her promissory estoppel and intentional
    misrepresentation causes of action because “Ross stated, among
    other things, that she would ensure that Norman would be
    ‘attached’ to the production of” Tragic but “Norman was not.”
    Norman also asserted that Ross used parts of Tragic as creator
    and executive producer of Mixed-ish. Norman further contended
    that she demonstrated a probability of success on her
    interference with contract and inducing breach of contract claims
    because “The interference and the breach are that [Tragic], in the
    disguise of Mixed-ish, was made without Norman being
    compensated.”
    Norman objected to some of defendants’ evidence.
    Defendants filed replies and supplemental declarations, and also
    objected to some of Norman’s evidence.
    F.     Court ruling
    Following a hearing, the trial court issued a written ruling
    granting the motions in part. The court began with the first step
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    of determining whether the claims arose from protected activity.
    The court interpreted Norman’s fourth cause of action for breach
    of implied-in-fact contract as a mixed cause of action. It relied on
    Jordan-Benel v. Universal City Studios, Inc. (9th Cir. 2017) 
    859 F.3d 1184
     (Jordan-Benel), the Ninth Circuit case affirming the
    district court case Norman cited. The court agreed with Norman
    that “[t]he alleged harm is the defendants’ failure to pay for the
    use of the idea. The claim that the defendants failed to pay ‘does
    not challenge the activity of filmmaking at all,’” and therefore did
    not constitute protected activity under section 425.16. The court
    concluded that the remainder of Norman’s allegations in that
    cause of action, “the alleged wrongful acts of using the ideas
    [from Tragic] without [Norman’s] consent and failing to give
    [Norman] an acting role, a producing role and screen credit”
    constituted protected activity under section 425.16.
    The court noted that Norman’s fifth cause of action for
    breach of confidence did not include a failure-to-pay element, and
    therefore did not fall under the Jordan-Benel exception. It stated
    however, that if Norman “intends this cause of action to allege as
    the wrongful acts a failure to pay and give her an acting role,
    producer role, and screen credit, then it is duplicative of the
    fourth cause of action, and the conclusions above apply.” The
    court did not state a clear finding as to whether the step one
    burden was met for the breach of confidence cause of action. The
    court also held that Norman’s remaining causes of action arose
    from protected activity, and therefore that defendants met their
    burden under the first step of the anti-SLAPP analysis.
    Turning to the second step, the court held Norman had
    demonstrated a probability of success on her causes of action for
    breach of implied-in-fact contract and breach of confidence. The
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    court stated that Norman’s “evidence of the communication and
    collaboration among [Norman], Ross, and Dobbin[s] allows an
    inference that Ross and Dobbins accepted the disclosure of her
    ideas and materials with the understanding [Norman] expected
    to be involved in the series and paid if they were used. [Citation.]
    Plaintiff also submitted evidence her ideas were used in ‘Mixed-
    ish.’” However, Norman “did not show she had any
    communications of any kind with Barris,” and “did not show
    Dobbins was involved in the conversations with her on behalf of
    Barris.” Thus, the court held that Norman demonstrated a
    probability of prevailing against only Ross and Artists First.
    Regarding substantial similarity, the court stated, “The
    core of both works focus on a mixed-race character trying to
    figure out how she fits in, dealing with parents of different races,
    and navigating in white and black worlds. Some of the plot
    points, such as involving hair and dating a white person, are
    similar. Both use the ‘gimmick’ of flashbacks. . . . [H]aving a
    main character of mixed-race with the theme of the series
    focusing on what it means to be mixed-race was unusual. . . .
    There are enough similarities that a jury could [find] the
    defendants used at least some of [Norman’s] ideas, and so the
    Court cannot conclude as a matter of law that the works are not
    similar enough.” The court cited Norman’s declaration in support
    of this ruling. The court also held that Norman’s claims were not
    preempted by copyright law. For the cause of action for breach of
    implied-in-fact contract, therefore, the court denied the motion as
    to Ross and Artists First, and granted the motion as to Barris.
    Turning to the cause of action for breach of confidence, the
    court stated, “To prove a cause of action for breach of confidence,
    the plaintiff must show she offered an idea to the defendant in
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    confidence, and the defendant voluntarily received the idea in
    confidence with the understanding that it was not to be disclosed
    to others and not to be used by the offeree for purposes beyond
    the limits of the confidence without the offeror’s permission.” The
    court stated that Norman “did not show the existence of an
    implied-in-fact contract to keep the material confidential, because
    she did not submit evidence that she requested her ideas be kept
    confidential when she disclosed them to Ross and Dobbins.” The
    court also stated that Norman did not establish that “custom and
    practice creates a duty of confidentiality,” or that any special
    relationship between her and the defendants gave rise to a duty
    of confidentiality.
    Although these statements would seem to suggest that
    Norman could not succeed on her breach of confidence cause of
    action, the court nevertheless stated that Norman “satisfied her
    minimal burden as to Ross and Artists First, but not as to Barris
    for the reasons stated above.”
    The court then turned to the causes of action for promissory
    estoppel against Ross, and intentional misrepresentation against
    Ross, Dobbins, and Artists First. The court held that although
    Norman said in her declaration that Ross made certain promises
    about guiding her through the process of developing Tragic,
    Norman did not say that she relied on Ross’s statements to her
    detriment. In addition, Norman offered no evidence of
    misrepresentations by Dobbins. Thus, the court held that
    Norman failed to show a probability of prevailing on these causes
    of action.
    Turning to the causes of action for intentional interference
    with contract and inducing breach of contract against Ross,
    Barris, Artists First, and ABC, the court stated that Norman “did
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    not submit evidence that Big Breakfast failed to perform or
    breached its contractual relationship as a result of the
    defendants’ actions.” Norman also “did not submit evidence that
    Big Breakfast would have successfully placed [Tragic] with a
    network or production company if the defendants had not started
    working on ‘Mixed-ish’ or that Big Breakfast abandoned her
    contract because of ‘Mixed-ish’ or any actions by the defendants.”
    The court therefore granted the motions as to these causes of
    action.
    Ross and Artists First timely appealed the court’s order
    denying their motion as to the causes of action for breach of
    implied-in-fact contract and breach of confidence. Norman timely
    cross-appealed the court’s order granting the remainder of the
    motions. The remaining defendants then cross-appealed the
    court’s rulings on their evidentiary objections and Norman’s
    discovery motion.
    G.    Motion for attorney fees
    Defendants filed motions for attorney fees, which are
    discussed more fully below. (See § 425.16, subd. (c)(1).) In short,
    defendants requested a total of $436,196.88 in attorney fees.
    Norman opposed the motions. In a written ruling, the trial court
    granted defendants’ motions for fees in part. The court awarded
    defendants a total of $125,000 in attorney fees, and stated,
    “Because defense counsel did not maintain separate billing
    records for each Defendant, defense counsel is in a better position
    to determine how to allocate that award among Defendants.”
    Judgment was entered in favor of Barris, including
    $35,714.29 in attorney fees; ABC, including $17,857.14 in
    attorney fees; and Dobbins, including $8,928.57 in attorney fees.
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    Norman filed a notice of appeal following the judgments. We
    consolidated the appeals.
    DISCUSSION
    A.     Legal standards and standards of review
    “A cause of action arising from a person’s act in
    furtherance of the ‘right of petition or free speech under the
    United States Constitution or the California Constitution in
    connection with a public issue shall be subject to a special motion
    to strike, unless the court determines that the plaintiff has
    established that there is a probability’ that the claim will
    prevail.” (Monster Energy Co. v. Schechter (2019) 
    7 Cal.5th 781
    ,
    788 (Monster Energy), citing § 425.16, subd. (b)(1).) Thus, anti-
    SLAPP motions under section 425.16 “are evaluated through a
    two-step process. Initially, the moving defendant bears the
    burden of establishing that the challenged allegations or claims
    ‘aris[e] from’ protected activity in which the defendant has
    engaged.” (Park v. Board of Trustees of California State
    University (2017) 
    2 Cal.5th 1057
    , 1061 (Park).) “If the defendant
    carries its burden, the plaintiff must then demonstrate its claims
    have at least ‘minimal merit.’” (Ibid.)
    “We review de novo the grant or denial of an anti-SLAPP
    motion. [Citation.] We exercise independent judgment in
    determining whether, based on our own review of the record, the
    challenged claims arise from protected activity. [Citations.] In
    addition to the pleadings, we may consider affidavits concerning
    the facts upon which liability is based. [Citations.] We do not,
    however, weigh the evidence, but accept plaintiff’s submissions as
    true and consider only whether any contrary evidence from the
    defendant establishes its entitlement to prevail as a matter of
    law.” (Park, supra, 2 Cal.5th at p. 1067.)
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    B.     Step one: Arising from protected activity
    In their appeal, Ross and Artists First contend the trial
    court erred in finding that they failed to meet their step one
    burden as to parts of Norman’s cause of action for breach of
    implied-in-fact contract. In Norman’s cross-appeal, she contends
    the trial court also should have included Barris in this finding.
    Norman further contends the trial court erred in finding that the
    defendants met their step one burden as to her causes of action
    for breach of confidence, promissory estoppel, intentional
    misrepresentation, intentional interference with contract, and
    inducing breach of contract.
    The parties agree that making a television series
    constitutes protected activity. 7 (See, e.g. Musero, supra, 72
    Cal.App.5th at p. 816 [“Creating a television show is an exercise
    of constitutionally protected expression”]; Tamkin v. CBS
    Broadcasting, Inc. (2011) 
    193 Cal.App.4th 133
    , 143 [“The creation
    of a television show is an exercise of free speech”]; Hunter v. CBS
    Broadcasting Inc. (2013) 
    221 Cal.App.4th 1510
    , 1521 [casting
    decisions are protected activity]; De Havilland v. FX Networks,
    LLC (2018) 
    21 Cal.App.5th 845
    , 860 [“‘the First Amendment . . .
    safeguards the storytellers and artists who take the raw
    materials of life—including the stories of real individuals,
    ordinary or extraordinary—and transform them into art, be it
    articles, books, movies, or plays.’”].) Thus, to the extent
    7     Notably, Norman has not challenged whether the speech at
    issue implicated an issue of public interest. (See, e.g.,
    FilmOn.com Inc. v. DoubleVerify Inc., supra, 7 Cal.5th at p. 149;
    Musero v. Creative Artists Agency, LLC (2021) 
    72 Cal.App.5th 802
    , 820-823 (Musero).)
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    Norman’s claims rest upon communications about developing
    Tragic or the making of Mixed-ish, that activity is protected.
    1.    Breach of implied-in-fact contract
    Norman contends that portions of her claims rely on
    unprotected activity—that defendants failed to pay her for their
    use of her ideas. This is the basis upon which the court partially
    denied Ross’s and Artists First’s motion below. This type of
    theory is sometimes referred to as a “Desny claim,” after Desny v.
    Wilder (1956) 
    46 Cal.2d 715
     (Desny). There, the Supreme Court
    said, “An idea is usually not regarded as property.” (Desny, 46
    Cal.2d at p. 731.) However, “‘[e]ven though an idea is not
    property subject to exclusive ownership, its disclosure may be of
    substantial benefit to the person to whom it is disclosed. That
    disclosure may therefore be consideration for a promise to pay.’”
    (Id. at p. 733.) Thus, “[t]he person who can and does convey a
    valuable idea to a producer who commercially solicits the service
    or who voluntarily accepts it knowing that it is tendered for a
    price should likewise be entitled to recover.” (Id. at p. 734; see
    also Spinner v. American Broadcasting Companies, Inc. (2013)
    
    215 Cal.App.4th 172
    , 184 (Spinner) [“Plaintiffs may therefore
    have a cause of action in contract for disclosing an idea to a
    defendant that uses that idea without compensation”]; Musero,
    supra, 72 Cal.App.5th at p. 810 [“state law protection for ideas as
    property rights may exist if there was an express or implied-in-
    fact contract to pay for the disclosure of an idea”].)
    For a Desny claim based on an idea submission, “to prevail
    on a cause of action for breach of implied-in-fact contract,
    plaintiffs must show (1) they clearly conditioned the submission
    of their ideas on an obligation to pay for any use of their ideas; (2)
    the defendants, knowing this condition before the plaintiffs
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    disclosed the ideas, voluntarily accepted the submission of the
    ideas; and (3) the defendants found the ideas valuable and
    actually used them—that is, the defendants based their work
    substantially on the plaintiffs’ ideas, rather than on their own
    ideas or ideas from other sources.” (Spinner, supra, 215
    Cal.App.4th at p. 184; see also Esplanade Productions, Inc. v. The
    Walt Disney Co. (2023) 
    93 Cal.App.5th 793
    , 805 (Esplanade
    Productions).)
    The trial court found that Norman had alleged such a
    claim, in that Norman “wanted her idea to be made into a series.
    The complaint details the efforts she made shopping it around.
    [Record citation.] The alleged harm is the defendants’ failure to
    pay for the idea,” which was not protected activity. The court
    continued, “The failure to pay [Norman] was not an act in and of
    itself in furtherance of free speech rights. [The] speech (the
    making and distribution of ‘Mixed-ish’) was a step before or led to
    the failure to pay. . . .” Thus, “[t]he defendants did not carry
    their burden of showing that the failure to pay alleged in the
    fourth cause of action implicates the speech concerns of the anti-
    SLAPP statute.”
    In support of its conclusion, the trial court relied on
    Jordan-Benel, supra, 
    859 F.3d 1184
    . There, plaintiff Jordan-
    Benel wrote a screenplay for a film and sent it to United Talent
    Agency (UTA); “the submission was not gratuitous and was
    made for the purpose of selling the screenplay to a UTA client.”
    (Id. at p. 1187.) Someone at UTA sent the screenplay to another
    UTA client, who then wrote a script titled The Purge. A film of
    the same name was made, a sequel was made, and another
    sequel was in the works at the time of the lawsuit. Jordan-Benel
    asserted that The Purge was based on the ideas in his
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    screenplay. He sued UTA and others for copyright infringement,
    breach of implied-in-fact contract, and declaratory relief seeking
    a determination regarding his rights to credits and payment.
    (Ibid.) The defendants in Jordan-Benel filed an anti-SLAPP
    motion, arguing “that Jordan-Benel’s claims arise from the
    creation, production, distribution, and content of expressive
    works (The Purge films) and that such conduct falls squarely
    within the ambit of anti-SLAPP.” (Id. at p. 1189.) The district
    court denied the motion.
    On appeal, the Ninth Circuit noted that Jordan-Benel had
    significantly limited his claims, and therefore “we only address
    whether anti-SLAPP applies to Jordan-Benel’s implied-in-fact
    contract claim in which Defendants’ failure to pay is the alleged
    breach.” (Jordan-Benel, 
    supra,
     859 F.3d at p. 1189.) In
    considering the first step of the anti-SLAPP analysis, the court
    stated, “Whereas the creation of a film might be the basis for a
    copyright infringement claim, that act alone will not support an
    ‘idea theft’ breach of contract claim because the breach is not the
    defendant’s use of the idea. [Citation.] The breach is captured in
    that ‘extra element’—the failure to pay for the use of an idea
    after having made an implied promise to pay.” (Id. at p. 1191.)
    The court found that “the conduct or act underlying Jordan-
    Benel’s breach of implied-in-fact contract claim is Defendants’
    failure to pay for the use of the screenplay idea” because “the
    failure to pay was the specific act of wrongdoing alleged by
    Jordan-Benel to give rise to a legal claim.” (Ibid.) The court
    continued, “Jordan-Benel’s claim does not challenge the activity
    of filmmaking at all. In fact, he desperately wanted the film to be
    made. Because the ‘overall thrust of the complaint’ challenges
    Defendants’ failure to pay for the use of his idea, we hold that the
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    failure to pay is the conduct from which the claim arises.” (Ibid.)
    The court held that because failure to pay is not protected
    activity under section 425.16 (id. at p. 1193), the defendants’
    motion was properly denied.
    Jordan-Benel was decided without our Supreme Court’s
    guidance in Park or Bonni 8; the Ninth Circuit noted that at the
    time, “the anti-SLAPP statute and the California Supreme Court
    do not definitively answer the question of how to pinpoint the
    conduct from which a claim arises.” (Jordan-Benel, 
    supra,
     859
    F.3d at p. 1190.) We join our colleagues in Division Seven of this
    district in concluding that the reasoning of Jordan-Benel is no
    longer persuasive in light of that subsequent guidance. (See
    Musero, supra, 72 Cal.App.5th at p. 818.)
    The Jordan-Benel court considered the essence of the
    plaintiff’s claim to be failure to pay on a contract, based on the
    court’s understanding that it was required to determine which
    “specific act of wrongdoing [was] challenged by the plaintiff.”
    (Jordan-Benel, 
    supra,
     859 F.3d at p. 1191.) In Park and
    subsequent cases, however, the Supreme Court has clarified that
    in a first step anti-SLAPP analysis, “courts should consider the
    elements of the challenged claim and what actions by the
    defendant supply those elements.” (Park, 
    supra,
     2 Cal.5th at p.
    1063; see also Bonni, supra, 11 Cal.5th at p. 1015 [“Courts
    deciding an anti-SLAPP motion . . . must consider the claim’s
    elements, the actions alleged to establish those elements, and
    whether those actions are protected”].)
    8      The Supreme Court’s opinion in Park was issued on May 4,
    2017, several weeks before the Ninth Circuit issued the opinion
    in Jordan-Benel on June 20, 2017. However, the Park opinion is
    not cited in Jordan-Benel.
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    As the Jordan-Benel court recognized, the elements of a
    Desny claim require use of the allegedly stolen ideas. (See
    Jordan-Benel, 
    supra,
     859 F.3d at p. 1191 [“To state a claim for
    breach of an implied-in-fact contract based on the submission of a
    screenplay, a plaintiff must allege that: (1) he submitted the
    screenplay for sale to the defendants; (2) he conditioned the use
    of the screenplay on payment; (3) the defendants knew or should
    have known of the condition; (4) the defendants voluntarily
    accepted the screenplay; (5) the defendants actually used the
    screenplay; and (6) the screenplay had value.”].) Thus, any duty
    to pay Jordan-Benel necessarily arose because the defendants
    allegedly used his ideas in making The Purge films, which
    constituted protected activity. If there was no use of the ideas,
    there was no duty to pay; the two actions are inextricably
    intertwined within the theory of liability. The Ninth Circuit’s
    focus on one of these elements—duty to pay—to the exclusion of
    the other—use—does not comply with the Supreme Court’s
    guidance on first-step anti-SLAPP analysis.
    The Jordan-Benel court also focused on the failure-to-pay
    aspect of the plaintiff’s claim because that “extra element” set it
    apart from a copyright claim. (Jordan-Benel, supra, 859 F.3d at
    p. 1191.) In essence, the court concluded that because a single
    element of the plaintiff’s claim involved non-protected activity,
    the defendants could not meet their step one burden. However,
    “[a]s Bonni and Baral instruct, whatever the purported ‘target’ of
    a cause of action, if protected speech activity supplies an element
    of the claim, the burden shifts to the plaintiff to demonstrate a
    reasonable probability of prevailing on the merits.” (Musero,
    supra, 72 Cal.App.5th at p. 819; see also Baral, 
    supra,
     1 Cal.5th
    at p. 396 [“When relief is sought based on allegations of both
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    protected and unprotected activity, the unprotected activity is
    disregarded at this stage”].) Thus, if a single element of a claim
    does not involve protected activity, but the remaining elements of
    that claim do, the step one burden has been met.
    Here, the trial court followed the reasoning of Jordan-
    Benel, finding that the protected activity—the making and
    distribution of Mixed-ish by allegedly using Norman’s ideas—
    ”was a step before or led to the failure to pay,” and did not
    “transform the wrongful failure to pay into an act in furtherance
    of free speech.” This was error. Assuming that Norman
    sufficiently alleged a Desny claim, the elements of that claim
    include that “the defendants found the ideas valuable and
    actually used them—that is, the defendants based their work
    substantially on the plaintiffs’ ideas, rather than on their own
    ideas or ideas from other sources.” (Spinner, supra, 215
    Cal.App.4th at p. 184.) Use of those ideas allegedly occurred in
    the production of Mixed-ish, which was protected activity.
    “The defendant’s first-step burden is to identify the activity
    each challenged claim rests on and demonstrate that that activity
    is protected by the anti-SLAPP statute.” (Wilson v. Cable News
    Network, Inc. (2019) 
    7 Cal.5th 871
    , 884.) Because defendants did
    so here, the trial court erred in finding that Ross and Artists
    First did not meet their first-step burden as to a portion of the
    cause of action for breach of implied-in-fact contract. We also
    reject Norman’s contention that Barris failed to meet his first-
    step burden as to this cause of action.
    2.    Breach of confidence
    In her breach of confidence cause of action against Big
    Breakfast, Ross, Artists First, and Barris, Norman alleged she
    disclosed her ideas about Tragic to defendants with an
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    understanding that they would “treat her ideas and work product
    as proprietary and confidential and to be utilized by Defendants .
    . . to evaluate her ideas or to otherwise develop her proposed
    project with her.” Norman further alleged, “The fact that
    Defendants . . . intentionally used Norman’s ideas and work
    product . . . to their own advantage in developing ‘Mixed-ish’
    constitutes a breach of the confidential relationship between
    Norman and Defendants.” Notably, there is no communication
    alleged in the breach of confidence cause of action that does not
    involve the development of Tragic or the making of Mixed-ish.
    The trial court found that “the use of [Norman’s] ideas is the
    wrongful act in this cause of action, and that act was in
    furtherance of speech rights—the making of ‘Mixed-ish.’”
    Norman argues the court’s finding was error, because “the
    use of Norman’s materials to make Mixed-ish forms no part of the
    elements necessary to form a claim for breach of confidence.” 9
    This contention contradicts her complaint, which stated that
    making Mixed-ish constituted the alleged breach. Norman also
    cites no authority for this argument, which contradicts case law
    holding that “a cause of action for ‘breach of confidence’ requires
    a finding that [the defendants] actually used [the plaintiff’s]
    confidential information to their benefit.” (Hollywood Screentest
    of America, Inc. v. NBC Universal, Inc. (2007) 
    151 Cal.App.4th 631
    , 651 (Hollywood Screentest); see also Esplanade Productions,
    supra, 93 Cal.App.5th at p. 805 [a plaintiff’s breach of confidence
    claim required a showing that the defendant “actually used [the
    plaintiff’s] ideas.” As discussed above, the making of Mixed-ish
    constitutes protected activity.
    9      Norman does not challenge the court’s grant of the motion
    for this cause of action as it pertains to Barris.
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    Norman further contends the disclosure of Tragic materials
    is not protected because “the act of disclosing a confidence does
    not implicate free speech rights.” She likens such communication
    to “incitement or yelling ‘fire’ in a crowded theater”—
    communications that may fall outside the protections of the First
    Amendment. We are not persuaded. First, the defendants’
    communications regarding the development of Tragic are not
    comparable to inciting violence or creating panic by shouting
    “fire” in a crowded theater, which are entitled to only limited
    First Amendment protection due to their immediate effect on
    public safety. Second, even allegedly wrongful speech is entitled
    to the protection of section 425.16. (See, e.g., Collier v. Harris
    (2015) 
    240 Cal.App.4th 41
    , 54 [“courts have consistently held acts
    a plaintiff alleges are unlawful or illegal are nonetheless
    protected activity under the anti-SLAPP statute if the acts assist
    or facilitate the defendant’s free speech rights”].) Thus,
    defendants met their first-step anti-SLAPP burden as to the
    cause of action for breach of confidence.
    3.     Intentional misrepresentation and promissory
    estoppel
    Norman argues the trial court erred in finding that her
    causes of action for intentional misrepresentation and promissory
    estoppel against Ross arose from protected activity. 10 She
    asserts these causes of action “do not arise from the making and
    distribution of Mixed-ish, but from the broken promises and
    fraudulent misrepresentations [Ross] made to Norman” that
    Norman “would be paid.”
    10    Although Norman also asserted her cause of action for
    intentional misrepresentation against Dobbins and Artists First,
    she challenges the ruling only as it pertains to Ross.
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    All communications alleged in the intentional
    misrepresentation and promissory estoppel causes of action
    involve the development of Tragic. Norman alleged that Ross
    agreed to mentor her and promised to help Norman develop and
    pitch Tragic. Norman did not allege any communications aside
    from those involving the development of Tragic and Mixed-ish,
    which the parties agree constitutes protected activity.
    Norman contends that “[f]ailure to act on promises and
    misrepresentations cannot implicate the anti-SLAPP statute as a
    matter of law.” Again, Norman’s argument contradicts legal
    authority. (See, e.g., Navellier v. Sletten (2002) 
    29 Cal.4th 82
    , 93
    [“fraud claims are not categorically excluded from the operation
    of the anti-SLAPP statute”]; Bonni, supra, 11 Cal.5th at p. 1025
    [an allegation that communications involved fraud “does not
    remove them from the definition of protected activity”]; Suarez v.
    Trigg Laboratories, Inc. (2016) 
    3 Cal.App.5th 118
    , 124
    [“Misrepresentation or failure to disclose can be protected
    petitioning activity for purposes of section 425.16”].) Ross
    therefore met her first-step burden as to the causes of action for
    intentional misrepresentation and promissory estoppel.
    4.    Intentional interference with contract and inducing
    breach of contract
    Finally, Norman asserts that her causes of action for
    intentional interference with contract and inducing breach of
    contract against Ross, Artists First, and ABC did not arise out of
    protected activity. 11 In the cause of action for intentional
    interference with contract in her complaint, Norman alleged that
    11    Although Norman also asserted these causes of action
    against Barris, she challenges the ruling only as it pertains to
    Ross, Artists First, and ABC.
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    she and Big Breakfast had a contract/agreement, and the other
    defendants “intended to disrupt and interfere with the
    performance of the Agreement, and did in fact disrupt and
    interfere with such performance, by, among other things,
    engaging in a scheme to rip off [Tragic] which is the subject
    matter of the Agreement.” In her cause of action for inducing
    breach of contract, Norman alleged the defendants “induced Big
    Breakfast, and its representatives, not to perform under the
    terms of the Agreement and to deny Norman all of her benefits
    outlined by said Agreement.” She further alleged that the
    defendants “cause[d] Big Breakfast to commit the above-
    described breaches because they knew that each of them would
    benefit from such breaches. Among other benefits, Ross and
    Barris are credited as creators of ‘Mixed-ish,’ Ross is the on-
    screen narrator of ‘Mixed-ish,’ Artists First is credited as a
    producer of ‘Mixed-ish,’ and ABC is the network on which ‘Mixed-
    ish’ airs. Defendants, and each of them, receive revenue from the
    production and distribution of ‘Mixed-ish,’ thereby enriching
    themselves at the expense of Norman.”
    On appeal, again relying on Jordan-Benel, Norman asserts
    it is “the failure to pay, and only the failure to pay, that is alleged
    as the damage to Norman in these causes of action,” and “[a]s
    such, the anti-SLAPP statute is not implicated.” For the reasons
    discussed above regarding Norman’s breach of implied-in-fact
    contract, we are not persuaded by the reasoning of Jordan-Benel.
    Moreover, the defendants’ activities upon which these causes of
    action are based involve the alleged use of Norman’s ideas in the
    making of Mixed-ish, which is protected activity. Defendants
    therefore met their step one burden as to the causes of action for
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    intentional interference with contract and inducing breach of
    contract.
    Finding that defendants met their burden on the first step
    of the anti-SLAPP analysis as to all six of the challenged causes
    of action, we turn to step two.
    C.     Step two: Probability of success
    Under section 425.16, after a defendant meets its first-step
    burden, “‘the burden shifts to the plaintiff to demonstrate the
    merit of the claim by establishing a probability of success. [T]his
    second step [is] a “summary-judgment-like procedure.”
    [Citation.] The court does not weigh evidence or resolve
    conflicting factual claims. Its inquiry is limited to whether the
    plaintiff has stated a legally sufficient claim and made a prima
    facie factual showing sufficient to sustain a favorable judgment.
    It accepts the plaintiff’s evidence as true, and evaluates the
    defendant’s showing only to determine if it defeats the plaintiff’s
    claim as a matter of law. [Citation.] “[C]laims with the requisite
    minimal merit may proceed.”‘“ (Monster Energy, supra, 7 Cal.5th
    at p. 788, quoting Baral, 
    supra,
     1 Cal.5th at pp. 384-385.)
    Norman contends she demonstrated a probability of success
    for each cause of action, and therefore the trial court should have
    denied defendants’ special motions to strike.
    1.    Breach of implied-in-fact contract
    a. Existence of a contract
    Defendants assert that Norman failed to demonstrate a
    probability of prevailing on her cause of action for breach of
    implied-in-fact contract because she cannot demonstrate that the
    parties had an agreement. They assert Norman did not offer her
    ideas to defendants for sale, nor did defendants accept her ideas
    on the condition that Ross or Artists First were expected to pay
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    Norman for them. We agree the evidence does not establish an
    implied-in-fact contract.
    A breach of implied-in-fact contract cause of action requires
    the plaintiff to demonstrate that she “clearly conditioned the
    submission of [her] ideas on an obligation to pay for any use of
    [her] ideas,” and “the defendants, knowing this condition before
    the plaintiff[ ] disclosed the ideas, voluntarily accepted the
    submission of the ideas.” (Esplanade Productions, supra, 93
    Cal.App.5th at p. 805; see also Mann v. Columbia Pictures, Inc.
    (1982) 
    128 Cal.App.3d 628
    , 647 fn. 6 [a breach of implied-in-fact
    cause of action requires a plaintiff to show “[t]hat before plaintiff
    submitted her ideas to the defendants, she clearly conditioned
    her disclosure upon defendants’ agreement to pay for those ideas
    of plaintiff’s which the defendants used, if any”].) “The law will
    not in any event, from demands stated subsequent to the
    unconditioned disclosure of an abstract idea, imply a promise to
    pay for the idea, for its use, or for its previous disclosure.”
    (Desny, supra, 46 Cal.2d at p. 739.) Moreover, “the creation of an
    implied-in-fact contract between an author, on the one hand, and
    an agent, producer, or director, on the other hand, is of such a
    personal nature that it is effective only between the contracting
    parties.” (Rokos v. Peck (1986) 
    182 Cal.App.3d 604
    , 617.)
    The evidence shows that Norman entered into a written
    contract with Big Breakfast, which gave Big Breakfast exclusive
    rights to Tragic at the times relevant here. Big Breakfast then
    shared Tragic with Artists First and Ross months before Norman
    ever spoke to Ross. Dobbins stated in his declaration that he was
    not told of any conditions relating to the Tragic materials, and
    Kelly-Clyne stated in his declaration that he did not tell Dobbins
    the Tragic materials were Norman’s proprietary property. Ross
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    entered into a written agreement with Big Breakfast to help
    develop Tragic and pitch it to financiers, which she did. This
    evidence does not support a finding that Ross and Artists First
    agreed to receive Tragic pursuant to an agreement that they
    were expected to pay Norman for her ideas. 12 (See Gunther-Wahl
    Productions, Inc. v. Mattel, Inc. (2002) 
    104 Cal.App.4th 27
    , 43
    [“the particular facts in the case at bench must be part of the
    consideration in deciding whether there is an implied-in-fact
    contract”]; Donahue v. Ziv Television Programs, Inc. (1966) 
    245 Cal.App.2d 593
    , 606 [“‘the circumstances preceding and attending
    disclosure’” are relevant to whether there is a contract, quoting
    Desny, supra, 46 Cal. 2d at p. 739].)
    Moreover, Norman asserted that Tragic could be used only
    upon her express consent and involvement, further suggesting
    that she was not offering Tragic under the condition of obligation
    for payment from defendants. In her complaint, Norman alleged
    that when she shared the Tragic materials, it was “understood . .
    . that if any of the [defendants] intended to utilize any element of
    [Tragic] . . . in writing, developing, producing, distributing,
    12     Norman contends that “the custom and practice of the
    entertainment industry” can be relied upon to conclude that
    defendants knew or should have known that Norman expected to
    be paid. We have not found legal authority directly supporting
    this proposition, and Nimmer on Copyright rejects the
    contention: “[I]nsofar as creating an implied contract from whole
    cloth is concerned, the better view is that industry custom does
    not do it. It would seem that no other viewpoint could pass
    muster under Desny v. Wilder.” (5 Nimmer on Copyright § 19D.05
    (2024).) Even if industry custom could be relied upon in certain
    circumstances, it would not preempt the evidence here that Ross
    and Artists First did not accept the submission of Tragic based on
    any condition of payment.
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    broadcasting another television program, that they . . . would
    obtain Norman’s consent and in the event that they . . . did so,
    she would be duly compensated, would be a producer on the
    series, and would be given both an acting role and proper screen
    credit.” Norman reiterated this position in a declaration filed in
    support of her discovery motion: “On January 5, 2018, I met with
    Ross for the first time. I told Ross that under my Agreement with
    BB, I was attached to the project as an Executive Producer,
    writer and actor, and that [Tragic] could not be made without
    me.”
    Defendants assert this case is therefore similar to Faris v.
    Enberg (1979) 
    97 Cal.App.3d 309
     (Faris), in which the plaintiff,
    Faris, conceived of a sports quiz show that he wanted to produce,
    and approached defendant Enberg, a local sports announcer,
    about participating in the show as a “master of ceremonies.” (Id.
    at pp. 314-315.) After the defendant appeared as part of a
    similar show, plaintiff sued him for breach of implied-in-fact
    contract and breach of confidence. (Id. at p. 316.) The Court of
    Appeal affirmed summary judgment for the defendant, stating,
    “[Faris] never thought of selling his sports quiz show idea to
    anyone including Enberg. He appears at all times to have
    intended to produce it himself, and sought out Enberg, as a
    master of ceremonies. . . . Plaintiff never intended to submit the
    property for sale and did not tell Enberg that he was submitting
    it for sale.” (Id. at pp. 318-319; see also Aliotti v. R. Dakin & Co.
    (9th Cir. 1987) 
    831 F.2d 898
    , 902 [under California law regarding
    implied-in-fact contract, “no contract may be implied where an
    idea has been disclosed not to gain compensation for that idea but
    for the sole purpose of inducing the defendant to enter a future
    business relationship.”].)
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    Norman’s claim is similar to the one in Faris in that the
    evidence does not show she offered Tragic to Ross and Artists
    First based on an expectation that those defendants would pay
    her, nor is there any evidence that the defendants accepted the
    Tragic materials on that basis. Instead, the evidence shows that
    Tragic was submitted to Ross and Artists First for the purpose of
    collaborating and seeking a financier. Norman therefore has not
    demonstrated the existence of an implied-in-fact contract
    between her and Ross or Artists First.
    b. Defendants’ use of plaintiff’s idea
    Defendants also contend the trial court erred in finding
    that Norman demonstrated that Tragic and Mixed-ish were
    substantially similar. The trial court found that Norman
    “submitted evidence her ideas were used in ‘Mixed-ish.’” The
    court stated that the “similarities includ[e] the basic theme
    (mixed-race woman using her past experiences as a 12-year-old to
    confront her current life), use of flashbacks, plots (dating outside
    one’s race, hair, microaggressions, not fitting in), supporting
    characters (extremely conservative in-laws), and the desire of the
    main character to fit in as she feels she does not know where she
    belongs.” The court also rejected defendants’ contention that
    most of the alleged similarities in the two shows already existed
    in Black-ish. The court therefore found that Norman met her
    second-step burden, and denied defendants’ motion as to Ross
    and Artists First. Defendants contend this holding was
    erroneous. We agree.
    As noted above, “to prevail on a cause of action for breach of
    implied-in-fact contract, plaintiffs must show . . . the defendants
    found the ideas valuable and actually used them—that is, the
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    defendants based their work substantially on the plaintiffs’ ideas,
    rather than on their own ideas or ideas from other sources.”
    (Spinner, supra, 215 Cal.App.4th at p. 184; see also Esplanade
    Productions, supra, 93 Cal.App.5th at p. 805.) “Regardless of the
    legal theory used to impose an obligation on the idea-recipient,
    the recipient is legally obligated to pay only if the idea that the
    recipient used was the one actually received from plaintiff.”
    (5 Nimmer on Copyright § 19D.07 (2023).)
    In the absence of direct evidence, use of an idea “can be
    inferred from evidence showing the defendant had access to the
    plaintiff’s idea and the parties’ ideas are similar.” (Ryder, supra,
    246 Cal.App.4th at p. 1073.) Because it is undisputed that Ross
    and Artists First had access to Norman’s ideas, the focus here is
    on similarity.
    To raise an inference of use, “the works must be
    substantially similar.” (Ryder, supra, 246 Cal.App.4th at p.
    1073.) “[T]he common knowledge of the average reader, observer,
    spectator or listener is the standard of judgment which must be
    used. [Citations.] For purposes of comparison therefore the
    works must be viewed as a whole ‘without dissection and without
    expert or elaborate analysis.’” (Klekas v. EMI Films, Inc. (1984)
    
    150 Cal.App.3d 1102
    , 1111.) If the court finds that “no rational
    jury could conclude the actionable elements” are similar, such a
    finding “defeats an inference of use as a matter of law.” (Ryder,
    supra, 246 Cal.App.4th at p. 1073; see also Spinner, supra, 215
    Cal.App.4th at p. 185-186 [“The framework for proving use in an
    idea submission claim is parallel to the framework for showing
    copying in a copyright claim. . . . We . . . look to analogous
    copyright cases for guidance, in addition to idea submission
    cases”].)
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    Norman urges us to employ the “inverse ratio” standard.
    Under that rule, “Where there is strong evidence of access, less
    proof of similarity may suffice. Conversely, if the evidence of
    access is uncertain, strong proof of similarity should be shown
    before the inference of copying may be indulged.” (Golding v.
    R.K.O. Pictures (1950) 
    35 Cal.2d 690
    , 695.) Norman then relies
    on Fink v. Goodson-Todman Enterprises, Ltd. (1970) 
    9 Cal.App.3d 996
     (Fink) to argue that she only “need[s] one
    similarity” to prevail, and that “finding one substantially similar
    element is enough.”
    Fink does not support Norman’s contention. In that case,
    the plaintiff alleged contract and copyright causes of actions
    arising from alleged idea theft. The case reached the Court of
    Appeal following a demurrer, so the court was considering
    whether the causes of action had been adequately pled. The
    court considered “whether, as a matter of law, it cannot be said
    that defendants have appropriated and used[ ] a qualitatively
    important part of plaintiff’s material in such a way that features
    discernible in defendants’ work are substantially similar thereto.”
    (Fink, supra, 9 Cal.App.3d at p. 1007.) The court looked at the
    “basic theme” of the works, the “ detailed exposition (through the
    combination of the presentation and pilot script) of the back
    story,” “the plots for 15 of an estimated 39 weekly episodes” of the
    relevant television series, and certain “portrayal techniques” such
    as a dream sequences, use of flashbacks, “use of the signature
    and talisman devices,” interactions between episode plots and
    back story, and use of music to create atmosphere. (Id. at p.
    1011.) The court did not, as Norman suggests, hold that evidence
    of substantial similarity was not required in an idea theft case, or
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    that a single similar element was sufficient to support an
    inference of use.
    Moreover, legal authority developed in the five decades
    since Fink was decided does not support Norman’s position.
    Indeed, in idea theft cases “[c]ourts have specifically rejected the
    contention that liability could be imposed on defendants on the
    basis of less than substantial similarities.” (5 Nimmer on
    Copyright § 19D.08 (2023).) The Ninth Circuit recently rejected
    the inverse ratio rule in a copyright case, finding that it created
    the type of uncertainty underlying Norman’s arguments here.
    The Ninth Circuit stated that the inverse ratio rule “is not part of
    the copyright statute, defies logic, and creates uncertainty for the
    courts and the parties.” (Skidmore as Trustee for Randy Craig
    Wolfe Trust v. Led Zeppelin (9th Cir. 2020) 
    952 F.3d 1051
    , 1066.)
    The court found that the inverse ratio rule was unhelpful to a
    copyright analysis, because “[a]ccess does not obviate the
    requirement that the plaintiff must demonstrate that the
    defendant actually copied the work.” (Id. at p. 1069.) The court
    noted, “[W]e are not suggesting that access cannot serve as
    circumstantial evidence of actual copying in all cases; access,
    however, in no way can prove substantial similarity.” (Id. at p.
    1069.)
    We need not address the applicability of the inverse ratio
    rule generally. Under the circumstances here, although it is
    undisputed that some defendants had access to Norman’s work,
    that access does not obviate the substantial similarity
    requirement. We therefore follow the many cases holding that in
    an idea theft case, a plaintiff may raise an inference of use by
    proving access to the plaintiff’s ideas and that the defendant’s
    work is substantially similar to the plaintiff’s ideas. (See, e.g.,
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    Esplanade Productions, supra, 93 Cal.App.5th at pp. 805-806;
    Spinner, supra, 215 Cal.App.4th at pp. 184-185; Ryder, supra,
    246 Cal.App.4th at p. 1073; Hollywood Screentest, 
    supra,
     151
    Cal.App.4th at p. 646; Sutton v. Walt Disney Productions (1953)
    
    118 Cal.App.2d 598
    , 603.)
    The trial court found that Tragic and Mixed-ish were
    substantially similar because “the core of both works focuses on a
    mixed-race character trying to figure out how she fits in, dealing
    with parents of different races, and navigating in black and white
    worlds. Some of the plot points, such as involving hair and
    dating a white person, are similar. Both use the ‘gimmick’ of
    flashbacks.” 13
    Defendants note that the mixed-race character of Bow, her
    family, and her struggles to fit in were developed in Black-ish
    generally and in the Black-ish episode “Being Bow-racial”
    specifically. They argue that because these elements existed
    before Tragic, they should be “filtered out” of the substantial
    similarity analysis, as the Court of Appeal did in Ryder, supra,
    246 Cal.App.4th at p. 1074.
    13     Norman’s declaration was the only evidence the trial court
    cited in its finding regarding substantial similarity. Defendants
    argue the trial court erred in overruling their objections to
    Norman’s declaration, and in relying on Norman’s
    characterizations of the evidence rather than the evidence itself.
    The admissibility of Norman’s statements does not affect our
    findings, and therefore we need not address defendants’
    evidentiary objections here. However, we do agree that the court
    was obligated to consider the works themselves, not only
    Norman’s characterization of them. It is unclear whether the
    court did so.
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    In Ryder, writer and director James Cameron created the
    story that eventually became the film Avatar (20th Century Fox
    2009). In 1995, Cameron recorded his ideas in “a detailed 102-
    page ‘scriptment,’ which he describes as a ‘highly detailed script-
    length treatment that, like a treatment, was in a narrative rather
    than dialogue form, and laid out the story, characters, setting
    and many of the visual images for Avatar in great detail.’” (Id. at
    p. 1068.) Between 1996 and 1998, plaintiff Eric Ryder wrote a
    science fiction short story called “KRZ 2068” (KRZ). Ryder shared
    the story with people at Lightstorm Entertainment, and they
    worked on revising and preparing the story for a pitch; ultimately
    Lightstorm passed on the project. (Ryder, supra, 246 Cal.App.4th
    at pp. 1069-1070.) Ryder later sued Cameron and Lightstorm,
    alleging that they “fraudulently expressed interest in developing .
    . . KRZ and used parts of that story in Cameron’s 2009 film
    Avatar.” (Id. at p. 1067.) The trial court granted the defendants’
    motion for summary judgment.
    On appeal, in considering substantial similarity between
    Avatar and KRZ, the court stated, “The preexisting elements in
    the Avatar scriptment are not actionable because defendants
    would not have ‘used’ those same elements from Ryder’s later-
    created KRZ. Thus, we ‘filter out’ those preexisting elements in
    assessing the similarity of the works.” (Ryder, supra, 246
    Cal.App.4th at p. 1074.) The court relied on a copyright case,
    Murray Hill Publications, Inc. v. Twentieth Century Fox Film
    Corp. (6th Cir. 2004) 
    361 F.3d 312
    , 326, which stated, “[W]here
    defendant owns a prior work containing the same elements, he
    has no reason . . . to copy wrongfully from another what he could
    legally copy from himself. Therefore, where an element occurs
    both in the defendant’s prior work and the plaintiff’s prior work,
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    no inference of copying can be drawn.” (Ryder, supra, 246
    Cal.App.4th at pp. 1074-1075.)
    Although Ryder was not a copyright case, Norman argues
    its reasoning has no place outside of copyright law, because
    parties may contract for anything—even the development of non-
    original ideas. (See, e.g., Chandler v. Roach (1957) 
    156 Cal.App.2d 435
    , 442 [“The producer and the writer should be free
    to make any contract they desire to make with reference to the
    buying of the ideas of the writer”]; Weitzenkorn v. Lesser (1953)
    
    40 Cal.2d 778
    , 791 [a plaintiff may prove the defendants agreed
    “to pay for [the plaintiff’s] composition if they used it, or any
    portion of it, regardless of its originality”].) Nevertheless, in an
    idea theft case the plaintiff must show that “‘the defendants
    based their work substantially on the plaintiffs’ ideas, rather
    than on their own ideas or ideas from other sources.’” (Esplanade
    Productions, supra, 93 Cal.App.5th at p. 805, quoting Spinner,
    supra, 215 Cal.App.4th at p. 184 [emphasis added].) The
    recipient of an idea “is legally obligated to pay only if the idea
    that the recipient used was the one actually received from
    plaintiff.” (5 Nimmer on Copyright § 19D.07 (2023).)
    Thus, in a case like Ryder or this one, where there is
    evidence that the defendants created certain characters and story
    lines before the plaintiff created or shared her ideas, filtering out
    those preexisting elements is appropriate. 14 If the defendants had
    14    The trial court found that there were “differences between
    the highly detailed scriptment in Ryder and the preexisting
    general concepts at issue here.” We agree that as a practical
    matter, preexisting elements must be developed to a certain level
    of detail to allow a court to determine which factors to filter out.
    But we disagree that characters whose existence, background,
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    already begun to develop those ideas before receiving them from
    the plaintiff, there can be no liability for the alleged theft of such
    ideas. 15
    Thus, we filter out elements that defendants had already
    created and used in Black-ish before Norman shared her ideas
    about Tragic. 16 Black-ish developed the character of Bow, a
    mixed-race woman with a black parent and a white parent. The
    black parent and white parent are in an interracial relationship;
    the episode “Being Bow-racial” also specifically addressed
    interracial dating. That episode further showed that, while
    growing up, Bow grappled with fitting in and what it means to be
    half-black and half-white in America, including not knowing
    which race box to check on a school form. She experienced
    microaggressions and misunderstandings from others. We
    and family relationships had been developed over several seasons
    of a series, as well as a completed and aired episode specifically
    addressing Bow’s background, were somehow too general or
    undeveloped to allow the court to filter out these preexisting
    elements.
    15     Conceivably, there could be liability despite preexisting
    elements where, for example, the defendants created characters
    and a general story line, asked the plaintiff to further develop
    those specific ideas, and then used the plaintiff’s work without
    compensation. Such a scenario has not been alleged here.
    16     We are not employing the independent creation doctrine,
    which holds that inference of use can be dispelled by evidence of
    independent creation. (See, e.g., Hollywood Screentest, 
    supra,
    151 Cal.App.4th at p. 646; Teich v. General Mills, Inc. (1959) 
    170 Cal.App.2d 791
    , 799-800.) Although defendants presented
    evidence that Mixed-ish was created independently by Winston
    and Barris, who both stated that they never saw the Tragic
    materials, defendants acknowledged to the trial court that they
    had not fully developed this defense.
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    therefore reject Norman’s argument that the following elements
    support a substantial similarity finding: involvement of “a mixed-
    race woman who grew up in the suburbs,” “dating outside your
    race,” undefined “microaggressions felt by the main role,” “the
    challenges of a mixed-race person such as not fitting in [and] not
    knowing what box to check when asked one’s race,” the main
    characters’ “desire to fit in and not knowing where she belongs.”
    Notably, these are very general, high-level elements. Even
    if they were not filtered out as preexisting elements, they would
    be of limited use in a substantial similarity analysis. (See, e.g.,
    Ryder, supra, 246 Cal.App.4th at pp. 1077-1078 [certain elements
    are “too obvious and insubstantial to be an actionable
    similarity”]; Klekas v. EMI Films, Inc. (1984) 
    150 Cal.App.3d 1102
    , 1112-1113 [“the subjects of friendship, courage, honor and
    the effect of war on the human spirit” were general and “not
    protectible material in and of themselves”]; Corbello v. Valli (9th
    Cir. 2020) 
    974 F.3d 965
    , 975 [in the copyright context, “[n]on-
    protectable elements include . . . scenes-a-faire (that is, ‘situations
    and incidents that flow necessarily or naturally from a basic plot
    premise’ or generic plot line) and ‘[f]amiliar stock scenes and
    themes that are staples of literature’”].)
    Norman asserts that touching on these themes as a small
    part of Black-ish is not the same as developing an entire series
    out of these elements. We agree that the depth of treatment in
    each of the works is a relevant consideration. Thus, we examine
    how Norman and defendants built upon these basic themes in
    Tragic and Mixed-ish to determine whether Norman has
    presented evidence upon which a rational jury could conclude
    that the two works are substantially similar. (See Ryder, supra,
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    246 Cal.App.4th at p. 1073; Spinner, supra, 215 Cal.App.4th at p.
    185.).
    Although there are no bright-line rules for determining
    substantial similarity, we rely on guidance from previous cases
    that made substantial similarity findings. (See, e.g., Weitzenkorn
    v. Lesser, supra, 40 Cal.2d at p.791 [comparing the “form and
    manner of expression”; “the ‘basic dramatic core’”; the
    “combination of characters, locale and myth”; and the
    “characterizations, descriptions, and events”]; Henried v. Four
    Star Television (1968) 
    266 Cal.App.2d 435
    , 436 [reviewing for
    commonalities in “plot, motivation, subject matter, milieu, and
    characterization”]; Minniear v. Tors (1968) 
    266 Cal.App.2d 495
    ,
    505 [examining whether there were “similarities in basic plot
    ideas, themes, sequences and dramatic ‘gimmicks’”]; Ryder,
    supra, 246 Cal.App.4th at pp. 1076-1079 [comparing in the two
    works the role of the main characters, characters’ motivations,
    interactions between characters, “significant plot point[s],”
    specific scenes, and use of technology].)
    We begin by considering the basic themes and tones of the
    two series. The basic theme of Tragic centered around adult
    main character Hayley’s life in the present day, starring Norman
    as a fictionalized version of herself. Different pitches/decks listed
    Hayley’s job as a journalist or an actor. Tragic was to be “[a]n
    unflinching, self-deprecating depiction of the minutiae of Hayley’s
    everyday life.” Tragic included many references to current issues
    such as Hayley’s half-sister Jazmyn being “Black Twitter
    famous,” videos going viral, Hayley’s future in-laws being Trump
    supporters, Black Lives Matter, and #OscarsSoWhite. The show
    was intended to be edgy and adult, with the pilot episode focusing
    on Hayley getting caught lying and stealing. The deck included
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    jokes such as, “[C]an Hayley really claim that she’s pro-black
    when her own fiancé is white? Even her pussy is colonized!” and
    Jazmyn being “eager to date but can’t seem to find a black man
    she doesn’t think is a ‘fucknigga.’” One episode proposal
    suggested that Sam, a former heroin addict, was curious about
    trying ayahuasca; Hayley tries it and has a bad trip.
    Mixed-ish, on the other hand, centered around Bow as a 12-
    year-old child in 1985. She was innocent and naïve after growing
    up on the utopian commune, and was learning about the “real
    world” while attending elementary/middle school for the first
    time. 17 The series was wholesome and family friendly. Bow was
    kind to others and a peacemaker. In the second episode, for
    example, Bow tried to employ conflict resolution skills to help
    other students at school get along, and she dragged a new table
    into the cafeteria so she and a Latina friend could sit together
    without choosing the black or white side. Conversation around
    the family dinner table focused on how each family member made
    the world a better place that day. Plots included whether the
    children would be able to go trick-or-treating like their friends,
    and the children not knowing about Christmas because the
    commune celebrated winter solstice instead. Because the series
    was set in the mid-1980’s, there were no cell phones, no social
    media, and no references to current events. Historical concepts
    such as affirmative action were explained via voiceover, and
    events of the time—the Challenger disaster, ozone layer
    depletion—were addressed.
    17     In the first season of Mixed-ish, Bow is in seventh grade
    and attends the same school as Johan, age 7, and Santamonica,
    age 5.
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    Both shows focused on family relationships, but the
    relationships were not similar. In Tragic, Hayley “tries to bridge
    her two disparate families, but in doing so usually creates more
    unrest and confusion. In every scenario, she’ll be the odd person
    out, seeking a way to deal with otherness.” Hayley’s white
    mother was portrayed as neurotic and living with her
    codependent and clueless white boyfriend/husband. Hayley did
    not grow up with her father or Jazmyn. Jazmyn was “image
    conscious to the extreme” and played to her social media
    following. Hayley lived with her white fiancé, Sam; he was from
    a “Trump supporting Evangelical family in the corn fields of
    Illinois.” The season arc showed the couple planning their
    wedding, but experiencing increasing strain in their relationship
    and calling off the wedding when their “families clash, a fight
    erupts, and Hayley and Sam are forced to take opposite sides.”
    In Mixed-ish, on the other hand, the family was cohesive
    and supportive. Bow lived with her black mother, Alicia, an
    attorney; her white father, Paul, a stay-at-home parent; and her
    two siblings. Alicia and Paul retained their hippie values from
    the commune. Bow had no issues finding belonging within her
    family; the lack of belonging came almost exclusively from
    outside the family (e.g., at school). Two extended family
    members regularly visited the family: Alicia’s sister Denise, and
    Paul’s father Harrison, who was also Alicia’s boss. Much of the
    familial conflict centered around the hippie parents’ views
    conflicting with the more mainstream ideas of Denise and
    Harrison. For example, Alicia and Paul told the children that
    race does not matter, but Denise argued that their commune-
    style, race-blind thinking would not work in the real world. And
    when Harrison criticized Paul for being a stay-at-home parent in
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    the same episode in which Bow was struggling to navigate the
    black/white divide at school, Paul and Bow had a conversation
    about why it is hard for both of them to be “different.” 18
    Norman contends both shows involve “an uplifting tone of
    self-affirmation.” However, Tragic was not pitched as such.
    Rather, it was pitched as “honest and irreverent,” “unflinching,”
    and “off-kilter”; Hayley “isn’t afraid to speak up” or “force the
    conversation”; and plots revolved around her “faux pas and her
    issues with society and other people’s behavior.” Hayley’s
    upbringing was “misguided,” and her efforts to connect with
    family and friends “usually creates more unrest and confusion.”
    Plots and jokes included adult topics such as sex and drug use, as
    opposed to Bow and her siblings’ experiences growing up in a
    supportive family and attending elementary/middle school.
    While there is some overlap in theme—mixed-race protagonists
    navigating a race-conscious world—the differences in theme far
    outweigh the similarities.
    We next consider the series’ plot devices. Norman argues
    that “[b]oth series take place in the present day,” and that
    “[e]very episode of both series includes the ‘way in’ to the back
    story through the use of flashbacks.” This is incorrect.
    Flashbacks were to be used in every episode of Tragic, but they
    were not used regularly in Mixed-ish, which was not set in the
    18    In Tragic, Hayley’s father was portrayed as a gambling
    addict and her mother’s parents were “Russian alcoholics.”
    Pointing to the line in Mixed-ish, episode 1 in which an amped-up
    Harrison says, “I do cocaine,” Norman argues the family
    dynamics of the shows were similar because “both series also
    have a relative with addiction.” Other than the single line in
    episode 1 of Mixed-ish, however, the series did not address
    addiction.
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    present day. The pilot episode of Mixed-ish began in the present
    day and used a flashback to set up the story of Bow’s life
    changing at age 12. However, the remainder of Mixed-ish was set
    in the 1980’s, with some retrospective narration by Bow’s
    character as an adult. Thus, no rational jury would find the use
    of flashbacks support a finding of substantial similarity.
    Norman also asserts that the settings of the shows were
    similar. Tragic was set in the city; Hayley lived with her fiancé in
    “East Hollywood (a.k.a. Little Armenia).” In Mixed-ish, Bow and
    her family lived in a house owned by Paul’s father in a
    nondescript suburb, and many of Bow’s interactions occurred in
    her racially diverse school. Norman contends that because young
    Hayley also grew up in the suburbs, this element is substantially
    similar. This detail does not demonstrate that the settings of the
    shows are similar. Moreover, the suburbs in the two series had
    opposite meanings: in Tragic, Hayley’s white, suburban
    background was referenced as the reason she did not understand
    black culture, while the racially diverse suburb and school in
    Mixed-ish represented the harsh realities of the mainstream
    world compared to the commune.
    Norman also contends that some of the jokes or plots of
    Mixed-ish came from the Tragic pitch. She points to the joke in
    Mixed-ish about white people clapping on the 1 and the 3 beats,
    for example, but this joke is common fodder for comedians and
    musicians. 19 Moreover, it made up mere seconds of a single
    Mixed-ish episode. Norman also argues that Mixed-ish is similar
    to Tragic because both had “conservative” in-laws. This is not a
    19    Defendants point out that in Black-ish, season 2 episode 11,
    which aired in 2016, Bow and Dre’s daughter Diane criticizes her
    twin brother Jack for clapping on the 1 and the 3.
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    major plot point in Mixed-ish, and in-laws having different
    political views than the main characters is a common family
    sitcom trope, which was also used in Black-ish with Dre’s
    parents. These minor details do not support a finding of
    substantial similarity.
    Norman also points to the plot about the children’s hair for
    school picture day in episode 3 of Mixed-ish, comparing it to the
    meme about her childhood hair in the Tragic deck. In Norman’s
    meme, however, her messy hair was shown as an indicator that
    her white mother did not know how to do black hair. In Mixed-
    ish, the conflict was whether the children should embrace their
    natural hair or conform to styles that were more mainstream at
    the time. Therefore, while both the Tragic meme and the Mixed-
    ish episode addressed children’s hair, no reasonable jury would
    find them to be substantially similar.
    Thus, the differences in general theme, tone, characters,
    relationships, settings, and plots demonstrate that the two series
    are not substantially similar. If “no rational jury could conclude
    the actionable elements” are similar, there is no inference of use
    as a matter of law. (Ryder, supra, 246 Cal.App.4th at p. 1073; see
    also Spinner, supra, 215 Cal.App.4th at p. 185.) Here, Norman
    has failed to meet her burden to show substantial similarity. The
    trial court’s holding to the contrary was erroneous.
    2.     Breach of confidence
    The trial court found that Norman did not meet her second
    step anti-SLAPP burden for this cause of action because “she did
    not submit evidence that she requested her ideas be kept
    confidential when she disclosed them to Ross and Dobbins. She
    states she ‘understood . . . that my sharing of my materials was
    done on a confidential basis (Norman Decl. ¶ 12), but she does not
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    state she told Ross and Dobbins that she was offering the
    materials to them in confidence.” The court also noted that
    Norman did not claim that any special relationship between her
    and any defendant created a duty of confidentiality, and she cited
    no “legal authority holding that in Hollywood, custom and
    practice creates a duty of confidentiality whenever a person
    discloses an idea even if there is no communication of the
    confidentiality of the submission.” Nevertheless, for reasons not
    explained in the court’s order, the court denied the special motion
    to strike as to Ross and Artists First, and granted it as to Barris.
    Defendants assert that the court’s findings were correct,
    and its failure to strike the breach of confidence cause of action
    was error. Norman argues “that she explicitly requested
    confidentiality at the time of disclosure.” She points to
    paragraph 4 of her declaration, but this paragraph discusses
    Norman’s disclosure to Vogel at Big Breakfast—not to any
    defendants. Norman also points to paragraph 12 of her
    declaration, in which she states that when she met with Ross in
    January 2018, after Ross had already received the initial Tragic
    materials, Norman “understood like I did for my disclosures to
    BB, that my sharing of my materials was done on a confidential
    basis.” Norman also relies on the declaration of her expert
    witness, Richard Marks, who stated that it is the custom and
    practice within the entertainment industry to keep pitch
    materials confidential.
    This evidence does not demonstrate any understanding on
    the part of defendants of a confidential relationship, which is a
    necessary element of the claim. “An actionable breach of
    confidence will arise when an idea . . . is offered to another in
    confidence, and is voluntarily received by the offeree in
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    confidence with the understanding that it is not to be disclosed to
    others . . . There must exist evidence of the communication of the
    confidentiality of the submission or evidence from which a
    confidential relationship can be inferred.” (Faris, supra, 97
    Cal.App.3d at p. 323.) Because such a claim is based on an
    implied obligation or contract between the parties, “the gravamen
    of the tort is an understanding between the parties that an idea
    is offered upon a condition of confidence.” (Tele-Count Engineers,
    Inc. v. Pacific Tel. & Tel. Co. (1985) 
    168 Cal.App.3d 455
    , 464
    (Tele-Count Engineers).) It is therefore essential “that the
    plaintiff in a breach of confidence action must demonstrate the
    defendant’s actual knowledge of the condition of confidentiality.”
    (Ibid., citing Mann v. Columbia Pictures, Inc., supra, 128
    Cal.App.3d at p. 646; see also Faris, supra, 97 Cal.App.3d at p.
    324 [“evidence of knowledge of confidence or from which a
    confidential relationship can be implied is a minimum
    prerequisite”].)
    Norman’s “understanding” that her communication was
    confidential, and her expert’s opinion that pitches are typically
    considered confidential, do not meet this standard. There is no
    suggestion in the evidence that defendants received the Tragic
    materials under an agreement of confidentiality. To the contrary,
    Dobbins stated in his declaration that he was not told that the
    materials were confidential. Kelly-Clyne stated in his declaration
    that he did not tell Dobbins or Ross that the information was
    confidential: “As Big Breakfast had the exclusive rights to Tragic
    and owned the development, we did not communicate to Ms. Ross
    or her manager Brian Dobbins at [Artists First] that the Tragic
    project or ideas were Ms. Norman’s proprietary and confidential
    information.”
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    Moreover, as noted above, “a cause of action for ‘breach of
    confidence’ requires a finding that [the defendants] actually used
    [the plaintiff’s] confidential information to their benefit.”
    (Hollywood Screentest, 
    supra,
     151 Cal.App.4th at p. 651; see also
    Esplanade Productions, supra, 93 Cal.App.5th at p. 805.) For the
    reasons discussed above, Norman cannot make that showing
    here. Thus, Norman has not demonstrated a probability of
    success as to her breach of confidence cause of action as to any
    defendant, so the motion should have been granted for this
    claim. 20
    3.     Promissory estoppel and intentional
    misrepresentation
    The elements of a promissory estoppel claim are: (1) a
    promise that is clear and unambiguous in its terms; (2) reliance
    by the party to whom the promise is made; (3) the reliance was
    both reasonable and foreseeable; and (4) the party asserting the
    estoppel must be injured by the reliance. (Flintco Pacific, Inc. v.
    TEC Management Consultants, Inc. (2016) 
    1 Cal.App.5th 727
    ,
    20     Norman contends the trial court erred in denying her
    motion seeking discovery regarding whether the relationship
    among the defendants may have constituted a joint venture due
    to the fact that Artists First and Big Breakfast shared a parent
    company, Electus. She contends that with respect to the breach
    of implied-in-fact contract and breach of confidence causes of
    action, “should this court find that Norman has not met her
    Prong Two burden without establishing the existence of a [joint
    venture], then it is clear that the Superior Court abused its
    discretion” in denying Norman’s request for discovery on this
    topic. Because this is not the basis for our holding that Norman
    failed to demonstrate a probability of success, Norman has not
    demonstrated the court erred in denying her motion for discovery
    on this topic.
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    734.) “The essential elements of a count for intentional
    misrepresentation are (1) a misrepresentation, (2) knowledge of
    falsity, (3) intent to induce reliance, (4) actual and justifiable
    reliance, and (5) resulting damage.” (Chapman v. Skype Inc.
    (2013) 
    220 Cal.App.4th 217
    , 230-231.)
    The trial court held that Norman presented no evidence
    that she altered her actions in reliance on Ross’s promises, or
    that Ross had no intent to perform when she made such
    promises. Norman argues the court erred, and points to
    paragraphs 13 and 14 of her declaration, which describe some of
    her early conversations with Ross. Norman asserts these
    paragraphs show that Norman “changed her position by deciding
    to move forward with Ross on [Tragic] and by disclosing all her
    materials to her.”
    However, the evidence showed that Norman wanted Ross
    to be involved in developing Tragic. Dobbins therefore sent the
    Tragic materials to Ross months before Ross and Norman talked.
    Norman said in her declaration that when she first spoke with
    Ross in January 2018, “my goal was to sell the series to Ross by .
    . . sharing ideas, concepts, and stories about [Tragic] directly
    with her” and “I told Ross that I would love to work with her.”
    Norman and Ross did work together, and together they pitched
    Tragic to financiers. The evidence does not suggest that Norman
    changed her position in reliance on any promises made by Ross.
    Moreover, Norman’s damages for these causes of action
    arise from the allegation that defendants used material from
    Tragic to make Mixed-ish without compensating Norman. With
    respect to her promissory estoppel cause of action, for example,
    Norman argues in her appellate briefing, “It was Ross’s full
    access to [Tragic] that enabled her to use it, or parts of it, as
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    ‘creator’ and ‘executive producer’ of Mixed-ish.” And in her cause
    of action for intentional misrepresentation, she asserts that
    defendants “knew at the time of [their misrepresentations] that
    they intended to appropriate [Tragic] for themselves without
    having any intention of attaching Norman in any manner to the
    series ‘Mixed-ish.’” As discussed above, the evidence does not
    support a finding that Mixed-ish was substantially similar to
    Tragic, and there is no evidence supporting a finding that at the
    time Norman shared Tragic with defendants, they intended to
    steal her material. Norman therefore has not met her burden to
    show a probability of success as to these causes of action.
    4.    Intentional interference with contract and inducing
    breach of contract
    “To prevail on a cause of action for intentional interference
    with contractual relations, a plaintiff must plead and prove (1)
    the existence of a valid contract between the plaintiff and a third
    party; (2) the defendant’s knowledge of that contract; (3) the
    defendant’s intentional acts designed to induce a breach or
    disruption of the contractual relationship; (4) actual breach or
    disruption of the contractual relationship; and (5) resulting
    damage.” (Reeves v. Hanlon (2004) 
    33 Cal.4th 1140
    , 1148.) The
    plaintiff also “must show the defendant’s knowledge that the
    interference was certain or substantially certain to occur as a
    result of his or her action.” (Ibid.) To prevail on a cause of action
    for inducing breach of contract, a plaintiff must prove (1) the
    existence of a valid contract with a third party; (2) the defendant
    had knowledge of the contract and intended to induce its breach;
    (3) the contract was in fact breached; (4) the breach was caused
    by defendant’s unjustified or wrongful conduct; and (5) the
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    plaintiff suffered damages as a result. (Little v. Amber Hotel Co.
    (2011) 
    202 Cal.App.4th 280
    , 291.)
    The trial court found that Norman had not demonstrated a
    probability of success for these causes of action because she “did
    not submit evidence that Big Breakfast failed to perform or
    breached its contractual relationship as a result of the
    defendants’ actions.” The court noted that Big Breakfast worked
    with Norman, Ross, and others to develop Tragic, and pitched it
    to six potential financiers. The court stated that Norman “did not
    submit evidence that Big Breakfast would have successfully
    placed Plaintiff’s series with a network or production company if
    the defendants had not started working on ‘Mixed-ish’ or that Big
    Breakfast abandoned her contract because of ‘Mixed-ish’ or any
    actions by the defendants.”
    The evidence supports this finding. Norman’s agreement
    with Big Breakfast was to help develop Tragic and pitch it to
    financiers. The evidence shows that Big Breakfast did so.
    Norman does not directly address this on appeal. Rather,
    Norman contends that “within one month of Mixed-ish being
    publicly announced, BB terminated its relationship with
    Norman.” The evidence shows, however, that Norman’s
    agreement with Big Breakfast expired according to its own terms
    in March 2019—a date the parties agreed upon in October 2018,
    when they extended the term sheet originally signed in
    November 2017. Norman has not presented any evidence that
    defendants’ actions affected the expiration of the agreement.
    Norman also contends Big Breakfast breached the agreement by
    “giv[ing] away the confidential elements of” Tragic. Assuming for
    the sake of argument this occurred and could be considered a
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    breach of contract, the evidence does not suggest the moving
    defendants induced that breach.
    In addition, Norman asserts on appeal that the
    “contractual provision that Defendants are alleged to have
    interfered with and/or induced the breach of is Norman’s right to
    receive compensation,” and the “interference and breach are that
    [Tragic], in the disguise of Mixed-ish, was made without Norman
    being compensated.” As discussed above, the two series are not
    substantially similar. Thus, Norman has not demonstrated a
    probability of prevailing on her causes of action for intentional
    interference with contract or inducing breach of contract.
    We therefore find that Norman failed to meet her second-
    step burden of demonstrating a probability of success.
    Defendants’ anti-SLAPP motions should have been granted in
    full. We therefore reverse the trial court’s ruling as it pertains to
    Ross and Artists First, and remand the matter with instructions
    to the trial court to grant the motion as to them.
    D.     Attorney fees
    1.     Background
    Section 425.16, subdivision (c)(1) states in part, “[A]
    prevailing defendant on a special motion to strike shall be
    entitled to recover that defendant’s attorney’s fees and costs.”
    Following the trial court’s order on the anti-SLAPP motions,
    Barris, Dobbins, and ABC filed a single motion seeking separate
    attorney fee amounts: ABC requested $168,845.93, Barris
    requested $126,114.27, and Dobbins requested $52,330.34. They
    asserted that the trial court had granted their motions in full,
    and therefore they were entitled to recover their full attorney
    fees. Ross and Artists First filed a separate fee motion; Ross
    requested $52,594.87 and Artists First requested $36,311.47.
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    They noted that they had partially prevailed on their claims,
    because the trial court struck four of the six causes of action
    asserted against Ross, and three of the five causes of action
    asserted against Artists First. 21 In total, defendants requested
    $436,196.88 in attorney fees.
    Norman opposed defendants’ motions. She called
    defendants’ requests “astronomically unreasonable” and
    suggested that the court strike them altogether. Norman also
    argued that the work was duplicative among all the defendants,
    and that fees were not recoverable for the portions of the motions
    that were not successful. Defendants filed replies in support of
    their motions.
    In a written ruling dated May 27, 2022, the trial court
    granted defendants’ motions for fees in part. The court noted
    that the parties agreed defendants were the prevailing parties,
    but disagreed as to the reasonableness of the fees requested and
    the allocation of those fees.
    The court stated that the “legal issues were not particularly
    novel or difficult,” because “well-established law governed most of
    the issues.” The court also noted that Norman’s “many causes of
    action and many claims asserted within the causes of action, as
    well as the multiple defendants, made these three anti-SLAPP
    motions more difficult than a typical anti-SLAPP motion. Also,
    [Norman’s] requests to take discovery related to the anti-SLAPP
    motions added to the motion practice, expense, and timeline for
    deciding the motions.”
    21    Defendants also filed memoranda of costs, which Norman
    moved to tax. The court partially granted the motion to tax. The
    costs are not at issue in this appeal.
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    The court noted that the “attorneys on both sides presented
    their arguments more skillfully than the average attorney.” It
    continued, “That being said, Defendants took a maximalist
    approach to this litigation.” The court noted that while a client
    may demand top-notch work, “that does not mean the adversary
    in the litigation is required to pay for such an all-out effort.” The
    court therefore found that not all of the time billed by defendants’
    counsel was “reasonable and necessary.”
    The court discussed defendants’ motions and “deluge of
    evidence,” and noted that “[t]he bulk of the evidence supported
    Defendants’ arguments that [Tragic] and Mixed-ish were
    different, Mixed-ish was created independently and the allegedly
    stolen ideas pre-existed in Black-ish. . . . Defendants did not
    prevail on these fact-intensive arguments. In granting the
    motions, the court did not rely on much of the factual evidence
    presented.” Out of the approximately 934 hours of work billed by
    defense counsel, the court held that “500 hours was more than
    enough time in connection with the anti-SLAPP motions,
    including the discovery and fee motions.”
    Turning to the allocation of fees, the court found that the
    allocations defendants stated in their motions were not supported
    by the evidence. The court stated, for example, “Even though the
    one cause of action against Dobbins was a small part of the
    complaint and the anti-SLAPP motion requiring little evidence,
    Defendants allocated to him one-third of the time spent on
    drafting the anti-SLAPP motion.” The court also noted that the
    amount allocated to Ross was relatively low, even though “Ross is
    at the center of this case” and she “moved to strike six causes of
    action” which were “fact-intensive.” The court noted that “most
    of the factual issues concerning the creation and development of
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    [Tragic] . . . and the alleged used of [Tragic] in Mixed-ish remain
    to be litigated and decided.” The court concluded, “Having
    conducted a thorough analysis, the Court awards fees of $125,000
    in total in favor of Defendants. Because defense counsel did not
    maintain separate billing records for each Defendant, defense
    counsel is in a better position to determine how to allocate that
    award among Defendants.”
    The court mailed the ruling to the parties on May 27, 2022.
    Norman served defendants a notice of the ruling on June 2, and
    defendants served Norman notice of the ruling on June 3.
    Defendants submitted proposed judgments, and the court
    entered the following judgments on November 14, 2022:
    judgment in favor of Barris, including $35,714.29 in attorney
    fees; judgment in favor of Dobbins, including $8,928.57 in
    attorney fees; and judgment in favor of ABC, including
    $17,857.14 in attorney fees. The judgments therefore included
    $62,500.00—half of the total $125,000 the court allowed for
    attorney fees.
    On December 7, 2022, Norman filed a notice of appeal,
    stating that she was appealing from the November 14 judgments.
    2.      Motion to dismiss
    Defendants moved to dismiss Norman’s appeal, asserting
    that the trial court’s May 27, 2022 order awarding attorneys’ fees
    was directly appealable as a collateral order, and therefore
    Norman’s December 7, 2022 notice of appeal was untimely.
    Defendants argue, “At the latest, Appellant had 60 days after
    service of Respondents’ June 3, 2022 ‘Notice of Entry’ of the May
    27, 2022 Order to appeal. (Cal. Rules of Court, rule
    8.104(a)(1)(B).)”
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    Norman opposes the motion to dismiss. She argues that
    the May 27 attorney fee order “was not and could not be final
    (and thus appealable) . . . because the Order itself provided
    Respondents were to allocate the amount of fees awarded by the
    Superior Court between themselves – (one of the primary bases
    for this Appeal) and, thus, the Order did not dispose of all issues
    raised by the Attorney Fee Motion” She argued in the
    alternative that the appeal was timely as to Barris, Dobbins, and
    ABC, but not yet ripe as to Ross and Artists First, under the
    reasoning of Doe v. Luster (2006) 
    145 Cal.App.4th 139
     (Doe),
    which held that an attorney fee ruling following an anti-SLAPP
    ruling is not an appealable order under section 425.16 and 904.1.
    We deny defendants’ motion to dismiss. “The right to
    appeal in California is generally governed by the ‘one final
    judgment’ rule, under which most interlocutory orders are not
    appealable.” (In re Baycol Cases I & II (2011) 
    51 Cal.4th 751
    , 754
    (In re Baycol Cases), citing § 904.1.) Courts are “reluctant to
    depart from its principles and endorse broad exceptions that
    might entail multiple appeals absent compelling justification. . . .
    Accordingly, ‘exceptions to the one final judgment rule should not
    be allowed unless clearly mandated.’” (Id. at p. 757.)
    The ruling on an anti-SLAPP motion falls under an
    exception to the one final judgment rule pursuant to statute.
    Section 425.16, subdivision (i) states, “An order granting or
    denying a special motion to strike shall be appealable under
    Section 904.1.” And section 904.1, subdivision (a)(13) allows an
    appeal “[f]rom an order granting or denying a special motion to
    strike under Sections 425.16.”
    Some cases have found that this statutory exception does
    not extend to rulings on attorney fee motions following an anti-
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    SLAPP motion. In Doe, 
    supra,
     145 Cal.App.4th at p. 150, for
    example, the court held, “If the motion for fees under section
    425.16, subdivision (c), is filed after the trial court rules on the
    special motion to strike—as it was in the case at bar—the order
    awarding or denying those fees is not an ‘order granting or
    denying a special motion to strike’; and no plausible argument
    can be made that such an order is immediately appealable under
    section 425.16, subdivision (i).” (See also Baharian-Mehr v.
    Smith (2010) 
    189 Cal.App.4th 265
    , 274 (Baharian-Mehr) [“we
    agree with the holding in Doe that a separate attorney fee order
    should not be heard on interlocutory appeal”].)
    The court in City of Colton v. Singletary (2012) 
    206 Cal.App.4th 751
    , 781 (City of Colton), another anti-SLAPP case,
    agreed that the “plain language of section 904.1 does not include
    an award of attorney’s fees among the exceptions to the one final
    judgment rule.” However, City of Colton held that “since the
    attorney fee order is (1) independent of the main causes of action,
    and (2) involves the payment of money by the appellant, we
    conclude it qualifies for the collateral order exception, and is
    directly appealable.” (206 Cal.App.4th at p. 782.)
    The collateral order exception “allows an appeal to be taken
    ‘[w]hen a court renders an interlocutory order collateral to the
    main issue, dispositive of the rights of the parties in relation to
    the collateral matter, and directing payment of money or
    performance of an act.’” (Longobardo v. Avco Corp. (2023) 
    93 Cal.App.5th 429
    , 432, quoting In re Marriage of Skelley (1976) 
    18 Cal.3d 365
    , 368.) “To qualify as appealable, the interlocutory
    order must be a final determination of a matter that is
    collateral—i.e., distinct and severable—from the general subject
    of the litigation. [Citations.] The order is deemed final if further
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    judicial action is not required on the matters dealt with by the
    order.” (Koshak v. Malek (2011) 
    200 Cal.App.4th 1540
    , 1545.)
    Here, defendants argue that because the fee order can be
    deemed a collateral order, under the “one shot rule” Norman was
    obligated to appeal directly from that order rather than waiting
    for a judgment. As explained by the Supreme Court, “California
    follows a ‘one shot’ rule under which, if an order is appealable,
    appeal must be taken or the right to appellate review is forfeited.
    (See § 906 [the powers of a reviewing court do not include the
    power to ‘review any decision or order from which an appeal
    might have been taken’ but was not] . . . .) If [an] order was
    appealable, it follows that it had to be timely appealed or the
    right to challenge its particulars be forever lost.” (In re Baycol
    Cases, 
    supra,
     51 Cal.4th at p. 762 fn. 8.) Defendants argue that
    because Norman did not timely appeal from the order, and
    instead waited until judgments were entered, Norman missed her
    “one shot.”
    We decline to find that the collateral order doctrine and the
    one shot rule together bar Norman’s appeal. First, some case
    authority, including Doe quoted above, specifically states that a
    fee order such as this one is not appealable under section 425.16.
    As a matter of fairness, we decline to dismiss Norman’s appeal as
    untimely while case law on the issue is in conflict. In the absence
    of clear authority to the contrary, Norman and her counsel were
    entitled to rely on Doe’s reasoning that an appeal directly from
    the attorney fee order was not permitted under section 425.16.
    Second, defendants cite no cases in which the collateral
    order doctrine and the one shot rule have been combined to
    render untimely an appeal filed after entry of judgment. Rather,
    the court in City of Colton—which defendants assert is “directly
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    on point”—used the collateral order rule to find that the court did
    have jurisdiction to decide the fee award ruling. (See City of
    Colton, 
    supra,
     206 Cal.App.4th at p. 782.) Similarly, the court in
    Baharian-Mehr, although not relying on the collateral order
    doctrine, stated that when “the issue of whether the anti-SLAPP
    motion should have been granted is properly before the appellate
    court, it would be absurd to defer the issue of attorney fees until
    a future date, resulting in the probable waste of judicial
    resources. When the first issue is properly raised, appellate
    jurisdiction over both issues under section 425.16, subdivision (i)
    is proper.” (Baharian-Mehr, supra, 189 Cal.App.4th at p. 275.)
    Another case cited by defendants, Apex LLC v. Korusfood.com
    (2013) 
    222 Cal.App.4th 1010
    , 1016, also held that jurisdiction
    was proper under the collateral order doctrine. These cases do
    not employ the collateral order doctrine to bar appellants from
    appealing following a final judgment.
    These cases do not support a finding that the collateral
    order doctrine, combined with the one shot rule, supports a
    motion to dismiss an appeal filed after entry of judgment under
    the circumstances here. We therefore deny defendants’ motion to
    dismiss Norman’s appeal of the judgments entered against
    Barris, Dobbins, and ABC. 22
    3.    Analysis
    Turning to the substance of Norman’s challenge to the fee
    award, she asserts that defendants’ fee requests were so
    22    To the extent Norman’s notice of appeal was intended to
    challenge the fee award as it pertains to Ross and Artists First, it
    was either untimely (based on the date of the court’s fee award
    order) or not yet ripe (because the fee awards had not been
    reduced to judgments).
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    excessive that they should have been reduced to zero, and that
    this court should further reduce the award based on an allocation
    formula Norman proposes. We find no error, and affirm.
    An award of attorney fees under section 425.16 is reviewed
    for abuse of discretion. (Frym v. 601 Main Street LLC (2022) 
    82 Cal.App.5th 613
    , 619; Ketchum v. Moses (2001) 
    24 Cal.4th 1122
    ,
    1130.) When reviewing an attorney fee award, the appellate
    court indulges all inferences in favor of the trial court’s order and
    presumes the trial court’s attorney fee award is correct. (569
    East County Boulevard LLC v. Backcountry Against the Dump,
    Inc. (2016) 
    6 Cal.App.5th 426
    , 433-434 (569 East County).) “‘Fees
    approved by the trial court are presumed to be reasonable . . . .’”
    (Laffitte v. Robert Half Internat. Inc. (2016) 
    1 Cal.5th 480
    , 488.)
    First, Norman contends the trial court “should not have
    awarded any fees because defendants’ request is grossly
    exorbitant.” She argues that defendants were not entitled to any
    fees due to the “breathtaking amount of their requested fees” as
    well as their “blatant attempt to shift the fees from the main
    Partially-Prevailing Defendants (Ross and AF) to the peripheral
    Prevailing Defendants (Barris, Dobbins, and ABC).”
    Norman relies on Christian Research Institute v. Alnor
    (2008) 
    165 Cal.App.4th 1315
     (Christian Research Institute), and
    argues that defendants “should face the consequences outlined in
    Christian Research Institute: rejection of the entire request.” The
    case does not support her argument. There, the appellate court
    affirmed the trial court’s award of attorney fees that represented
    “25 hours for the motion, 40 hours for the appeal, and 6 hours of
    attorney time for the fee motion.” (Id. at p. 1320.) Moreover,
    nothing in Christian Research Institute suggests that a trial court
    abuses its discretion by awarding fees under section 425.16 if
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    defendants’ fee request is excessive. In cases such as Christian
    Research Institute and 569 East County, supra, 
    6 Cal.App.5th 426
    , which Norman also cites, when courts find a fee request to
    be excessive, they award less than the requested amount of
    attorney fees—which is exactly what the trial court did here.
    Norman has not demonstrated that the trial court abused its
    discretion in doing so.
    Second, Norman asserts that the trial court abused its
    discretion by allowing defendants to apportion the fee award
    among themselves. She argues that the way defendants
    apportioned the fees—with half represented in the judgments in
    favor of Barris, Dobbins, and ABC—was unfair. Norman asserts
    that defendants were entitled to attorney fees of “no more than
    $50,000” among them. 23 She urges this court to reduce the
    award and reapportion the fees using her own complicated
    formula and six-step analysis, which involve determining which
    party prevailed on which “issues,” and eliminating fees for any
    duplicative work on those issues.
    Norman’s arguments have become moot. She relies on
    Mann v. Quality Old Time Service, Inc. (2006) 
    139 Cal.App.4th 328
    , 344-345 (Mann), which states, “[A] defendant should not be
    entitled to obtain as a matter of right his or her entire attorney
    fees incurred on successful and unsuccessful claims merely
    because the attorney work on those claims was overlapping.
    23    Defendants correctly point out that Norman provides no
    basis for this amount in her opening brief. In her reply brief,
    Norman argues it constitutes a reduction in fees similar to the
    percentages of reduction in Christian Research Institute, supra,
    
    165 Cal.App.4th 1315
     and 569 East County, 
    supra,
     
    6 Cal.App.5th 426
    .
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    Instead, the court should first determine the lodestar amount for
    the hours expended on the successful claims, and, if the work on
    the successful and unsuccessful causes of action was overlapping,
    the court should then consider the defendant’s relative success on
    the motion in achieving his or her objective, and reduce the
    amount if appropriate.” Following this appeal, however,
    defendants are fully successful—there are neither unsuccessful
    defendants nor unsuccessful causes of action, and therefore no
    basis for apportioning fees based on the defendants’ relative
    success. The reasoning of Mann does not apply.
    Moreover, Norman’s argument is not supported by any
    other statute or case law. She cites no authority suggesting that
    on a special motion to strike, when counsel works simultaneously
    for multiple clients on overlapping legal issues, the trial court is
    required to apportion fees in any particular manner. In other
    contexts, apportionment is not necessarily required. (See, e.g.,
    Brown Bark III, L.P. v. Haver (2013) 
    219 Cal.App.4th 809
    , 830
    [“allocation among jointly represented parties ‘is not required
    when the liability of the parties is “so factually interrelated that
    it would have been impossible to separate the activities . . . into
    compensable and noncompensable time units”‘“]; Calvo Fisher &
    Jacob LLP v. Lujan (2015) 
    234 Cal.App.4th 608
    , 625 [attorney
    fees need not be allocated where the “claims were so intertwined
    as to make it impracticable, if not impossible, to separate the
    attorneys’ time”].) Thus, Norman has not met her burden to
    demonstrate that the trial court abused its discretion in its fee
    award to Barris, Dobbins, and ABC. 24
    24    Defendants have not challenged the fee ruling, and
    therefore we address the court’s ruling only as it pertains to the
    arguments Norman asserts on appeal.
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    Finally, we note that Norman’s opening brief in this appeal
    was correctly characterized by defendants as “bombastic,” and
    filled with “ad homimem attacks.” Norman, represented by her
    counsel, Plonsker Law LLP, engaged in a heated tirade against
    defendants’ billing practices, referring to defendants’ requests,
    evidence, and arguments as “exorbitant,” “incredible,”
    “audacious,” misguided,” “confusing,” “incomprehensible,”
    “unbelievabl[e],” “haphazard,” “flagrant,” “false and evidence-
    free,” “shenanigans,” “based on whole-cloth inventions,” an
    “abuse[ of] trust,” and lacking in “logic, reason, or support.” The
    brief opines that defendants’ counsel submitted evidence in the
    manner they did because they were “[o]bviously embarrassed to
    reveal how much they actually charged their clients,” trying to
    “pretend there is some deep logic” for the way fees were
    apportioned, and intended to improperly “shift the padded fees”
    to certain defendants. The brief suggests the trial court was
    “unimpressed” and “all but accused [defendants] of dishonesty.”
    These quotes constitute a mere sampling; there are many more
    instances of similar derogatory phrasing scattered throughout
    Norman’s 60-page opening brief.
    We find the unnecessary commentary in Norman’s brief
    lacking in professionalism. We expect civility and decorum from
    counsel who appear in this court, and this brief falls short of that
    expectation. We trust counsel will meet these standards in the
    future.
    DISPOSITION
    The judgments in favor of Barris, Dobbins, and ABC are
    affirmed. The trial court’s order denying the special motion to
    strike under section 425.16 as to Ross and Artists First is
    reversed. The matter is remanded to the trial court with
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    instructions to grant the special motions to strike in full as to
    Ross and Artists First. Defendants are entitled to their costs on
    appeal.
    CERTIFIED FOR PARTIAL PUBLICATION
    COLLINS, J.
    We concur:
    CURREY, P. J.
    MORI, J.
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Document Info

Docket Number: B316971

Filed Date: 4/23/2024

Precedential Status: Precedential

Modified Date: 5/15/2024