Morsell v. Symantec Corporation ( 2020 )


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  •                            UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
    FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA                        :
    ex rel. LORI MORSELL, et al.,                   :
    :
    Plaintiffs,                              :       Civil Action No.: 12-800 (RC)
    :
    v.                                       :       Re Documents Nos.: 105, 118, 124
    :
    SYMANTEC CORPORATION,                           :
    :
    Defendant.                               :
    MEMORANDUM OPINION
    GRANTING DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO STRIKE
    THE EXPERT DESIGNATION AND EXPERT TESTIMONY OF CHARLES HARRIS AND
    GRANTING IN PART AND DENYING IN PART THE UNITED STATES’ MOTION TO EXCLUDE
    PERSONS DESIGNATED BY SYMANTEC TO PROVIDE EXPERT TESTIMONY
    This case began as a qui tam action by Lori Morsell, an employee at the Defendant
    corporation who came to believe that her employer had violated certain contractual obligations to
    the United States. She filed an action as Relator under the False Claims Act (“FCA”) against
    Symantec Corporation, which is now known as NortonLifeLock, Inc. (“Norton” or
    “Symantec/Norton”). The United States (“the Government”) intervened, along with California
    and Florida, and Ms. Morsell elected to assert claims on behalf of New York State. In brief,
    these governments claim that, in the process of setting pre-negotiated maximum prices for
    government purchasers with the General Services Administration (“GSA”), the Defendant
    overcharged them by misrepresenting the existence of certain prices and discounts that were
    available to its private customers and by consequently failing to offer government purchasers the
    same low prices these customers received. See generally Mem. Op. Granting in Part and
    Denying in Part Def.’s Mot. for Summ. J. and Granting in Part and Denying in Part the United
    States’ Mot. for Summ. J. (“MSJs Op.”), ECF No. 184.
    This opinion addresses a pair of motions concerning three experts that the parties have
    put forward. The Defendant has moved to strike the expert designation and testimony of the
    Government’s expert Charles Harris. Symantec Corp.’s Mot. to Strike the Expert Designation
    and Expert Test. of Charles Harris and Supp. Statement of P. & A. (“Def.’s Mot.”), ECF No.
    124. The United States has moved to exclude two persons designated by the Defendant to
    provide expert testimony, Bill Gormley and Larry Allen, Jr. U.S. Mem. of P. & A. in Supp. of
    its Mot. to Exclude Persons Designated by Symantec to Provide Expert Test. (“U.S. Mot.”), ECF
    No. 106-2. Both motions were opposed, and both are now ripe for decision.
    In both motions, the moving party makes essentially the same argument: that its
    adversary is attempting to introduce improper expert testimony that consists of legal conclusions
    and argumentation rather than proper expert analysis rooted in reliable principles and methods.
    To a large extent, the Court agrees, though not entirely. The Court agrees with Norton that the
    Government’s expert is improper and will exclude him. The Court agrees with the Government
    that much of what Norton’s experts will say is likewise improper. However, some of their
    proposed testimony is proper, so they will not be excluded outright.
    I. BACKGROUND
    A detailed version of the undisputed facts of this case is available in the Court’s recent
    Memorandum Opinion addressing the parties’ motions for summary judgment and partial
    summary judgment. MSJs Op. at 3–19. For purposes of this opinion the Court will only
    describe some of the basic disputes in this case that are most relevant to the proposed testimony
    at issue in these motions.
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    The central dispute in this case concerns the Defendant’s obligations under a Multiple
    Awards Schedule (“MAS”) that it negotiated with GSA and entered into in 2006 and early 2007.
    These contracts enable GSA to streamline federal government procurement by providing pre-
    negotiated maximum prices and other terms that govern all subsequent purchases covered by the
    contract. The MAS program is authorized under two statutes: Title III of the Federal Property
    and Administrative Services Act of 1949, 
    41 U.S.C. § 251
     et seq., and Title 40, 
    40 U.S.C. § 501
    .
    The program is additionally governed by Title 48 of the Code of Federal Regulations, which is
    also known as the Federal Acquisition Regulation (“FAR”), 
    48 C.F.R. § 8.402
     et seq. See U.S.
    Mot. for Partial Summ. J. (“U.S. MSJ”) Ex. 6, GSA MAS Program Desk Reference (“Desk
    Reference”) at 13, ECF No. 130-6. Additional regulations establishing procedures to be
    followed by contracting GSA officers are found in the GSA Acquisition Regulation (“GSAR”),
    
    48 C.F.R. § 501.101
     et seq., the entirety of which is also incorporated into the GSA Acquisition
    Manual (“GSAM”), U.S. MSJ Ex. 9, GSAM (July 2004), ECF No. 130-9.
    GSA regulations prescribe standard questions contained in a MAS solicitation, in
    response to which an offeror must disclose certain information in a Commercial Sales Practices
    Format, known as the offeror’s “CSPs.” GSAM at 515-7 (“Commercial Sales Practices Format”
    or “CSPs Form”); 
    id. at 515-8
    , fig.515.4-2 (Instructions for the Commercial Sales Practices
    Format). The CSPs Form instructions provide that an offeror seeking a MAS contract must
    provide information that is “current, accurate, and complete” as of fourteen calendar days prior
    to submission. 
    Id. at 515-8
    . The offeror is also told “[y]ou must . . . disclose any changes in
    your price list(s), discounts and/or discounting policies which occur after the offer is submitted,
    but before the close of negotiations,” and, “[i]f your discount practices vary by model or product
    line, the discount information should be by model or product line as appropriate.” 
    Id.
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    The GSAM does not require GSA officers to obtain the offeror’s best price in every
    single case, but it emphasizes that this is always the goal. Negotiators are required to “seek to
    obtain the offeror’s best price (the best price given to the most favored customer),” but with the
    understanding that “the Government recognizes that the terms and conditions of commercial
    sales vary and there may be legitimate reasons why the best price is not achieved” in any given
    negotiation. 
    Id. at 538-1
     (GSAR § 538.270). A contracting officer “may award a contract
    containing pricing which is less favorable than the best price the offeror extends to any
    commercial customer for similar purchases” if the officer determines that “prices offered to the
    Government are fair and reasonable” and that the “[a]ward is otherwise in the best interest of the
    Government.” Id. Nonetheless, the officer must always “compare the terms and conditions of
    the [offeror’s response to the] MAS solicitation with the terms and conditions of agreements with
    the offeror’s commercial customers. Id.
    GSA officials are instructed to include in all contracts two clauses designed to ensure that
    the prices negotiated for government purchasers are appropriately advantageous and that they
    remain so. The first of these is a Price Adjustment Clause (“PAC”) reserving to the Government
    the right to reduce unilaterally the price of a contract if the Government determines the offeror
    failed to provide “current, accurate, and complete” information, or to disclose changes that
    occurred after its initial submission. GSAM at 552-12. This reduction can equal the amount of
    the overpayment plus interest. Id. The second is a Price Reduction Clause (“PRC”), which is
    designed to account for changes in the offeror’s pricing over the life of the MAS contract. Id. at
    552-39. The PRC requires that GSA and the offeror agree on a customer or category of
    customers that will serve essentially as a baseline for the government’s discounts. See id. The
    offeror must keep the contracting officer appraised of prices being offered to that customer or
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    category of customers throughout the life of the MAS contract, and PRC ensures that the
    Government’s prices are reduced if this customer or category of customers is given lower pricing
    or increased discounts. Id. The PRC identifies certain events which trigger price reductions
    when they occur, and certain exceptions to these triggers. Id. at 552-39–552-40.
    The operative First Amended Omnibus and Restated Complaint (the “Omnibus
    Complaint”), ECF No. 70, outlines nine counts brought by the Government, two each from
    California and Florida, and three from Morsell on behalf of New York state. The Government’s
    first five claims are brought under the FCA. The remaining four arise under common law.
    California and Florida each bring two claims under their respective state law–equivalents to the
    FCA. Morsell does the same for New York and adds an additional claim based on state
    contracts.
    The FCA enables a qui tam plaintiff, known as a Relator, to initiate a civil action on
    behalf of the United States to recover monies paid on account of false or fraudulent claims. See
    
    31 U.S.C. § 3730
    ; United States v. Kellogg Brown & Root Servs., Inc., 
    800 F. Supp.2d 143
    , 146–
    47 (D.D.C. 2011). The FCA as amended creates several forms of liability. Among these is
    liability for “any person who . . . knowingly presents, or causes to be presented, a false or
    fraudulent claim for payment or approval,” 
    31 U.S.C. § 3729
    (a)(1)(A), as well as for “any person
    who . . . knowingly makes, uses, or causes to be made or used, a false record or statement
    material to a false or fraudulent claim,” 
    id.
     § 3729(a)(1)(B). Count I alleges that the Defendant
    knowingly presented false claims in violation of § 3729(a)(1)(A). Omnibus Compl. ¶¶ 288–95.
    Count II alleges that the Defendant knowingly made false statements material to false claims in
    violation of § 3729(a)(1)(B). Id. ¶¶ 296–302. Count III alleges that the Defendant caused
    independent resellers to make false claims, again in violation of § 3729(a)(1)(A), id. ¶¶ 303–11,
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    and Count IV alleges that the Defendant caused resellers to make false statements material to
    false claims in violation of § 3729(a)(1)(B), id. ¶¶ 312–19. Count V, brought under another
    provision of the FCA, § 3729(a)(1)(G), alleges that the Defendant knowingly concealed and
    improperly avoided paying its obligations to the government (reverse false claims). Id. ¶¶ 320–
    25. The Government’s five common-law claims are for negligent misrepresentation, id. ¶¶ 326–
    31 (Count VI), breach of contract, id. ¶¶ 332–37 (Count VII), unjust enrichment, id. ¶¶ 338–40
    (Count VIII), and payment by mistake, id. ¶¶ 341–43 (Count IX). California, Florida, and
    Morsell on behalf of New York each allege that the Defendant violated their respective state
    false claims statutes. See id. ¶¶ 344–410 (Counts X through XVI).
    As plead in the Omnibus Complaint and as argued by the Government throughout this
    litigation, most of these claims depend at least in part on whether Symantec/Norton breached its
    contractual obligations to make “current, accurate, and complete” CSPs disclosures, GSAM at
    552-12 (PAC), and on whether it breached the PRC. Count VII is a common law breach of
    contract claim in which the Government sues directly over these alleged breaches, Omnibus
    Complaint ¶¶ 332–37, but the same breaches underly other claims. For example, the FCA claim
    in Count I alleges that Symantec submitted claims to the Government that were “materially
    false” for reasons including “implied representations regarding its compliance with the material
    terms of the Contract, including that the initial disclosures were accurate and complete and that it
    continued to abide by the Contract’s PRC.” Omnibus Compl. ¶¶ 290–91. Whether the
    Defendant fulfilled its contractual obligations regarding CSPs disclosures and whether it
    breached the PRC are therefore among the central legal questions in this case, upon which much
    of the Defendant’s liability will depend.
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    II. LEGAL STANDARD
    The Defendant’s motion is styled as a motion to strike Harris’s expert designation and to
    exclude his expert testimony, while the Government’s is styled as a motion to exclude the
    Defendant’s experts. The distinction between a motion to strike and a motion to exclude makes
    for little practical difference in the Court’s consideration of the motions. A motion to exclude an
    expert or an expert’s testimony asks the Court to disallow that expert from testifying in front of
    the jury at trial. See United States v. Machado-Erazo, 
    901 F.3d 326
    , 336–37 (D.C. Cir. 2018). A
    motion to strike an expert’s testimony and designation in advance of trial is framed in a
    backward-looking manner and focuses somewhat more on material already in the record, but it
    seeks the same relief regarding testimony at trial. See United States v. Davis, 
    863 F.3d 894
    , 907–
    08 (D.C. Cir. 2017). For both motions, the question is whether the proposed testimony—much
    of which has been previewed in the experts’ reports—is proper expert testimony that could be
    presented at trial.
    Federal Rule of Evidence 702 provides that qualified expert testimony is admissible if
    “(a) the expert’s scientific, technical, or other specialized knowledge will help the trier of fact to
    understand the evidence or to determine a fact in issue; (b) the testimony is based on sufficient
    facts or data; (c) the testimony is the product of reliable principles and methods; and (d) the
    expert has reliably applied the principles and methods to the facts of the case.” Fed. R. Evid.
    702. A witness may qualify as an expert through knowledge, skill, experience, training or
    education. 
    Id.
     “In general, Rule 702 has been interpreted to favor admissibility.” Khairkhwa v.
    Obama, 
    793 F. Supp. 2d 1
    , 10 (D.D.C. 2011) (citing Daubert v. Merrell Dow Pharm., Inc., 
    509 U.S. 579
    , 587 (1993)). “The degree of ‘knowledge, skill, experience, training or education’
    required to qualify an expert witness ‘is only that necessary to [e]nsure that the witness’s
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    testimony “assist” the trier of fact.’” Id. at 11 (quoting Mannino v. Int’l Mfg. Co., 
    650 F.2d 846
    ,
    851 (6th Cir. 1981) (noting that the weight of the evidence is a matter to be assessed by the trier
    of fact)). “[I]t is not necessary that the witness be recognized as a leading authority in the field
    in question . . . .” 29 Charles Alan Wright & Arthur R. Miller, Federal Practice & Procedure §
    6264.1 (2015). “[T]he ‘help’ requirement [from Rule 702] is satisfied where the expert
    testimony advances the trier of fact’s understanding to any degree.” Id.
    “The Rule requires trial courts to assume a ‘gatekeeping role,’ ensuring that the
    methodology underlying an expert’s testimony is valid and the expert’s conclusions are based on
    ‘good grounds.’” Chesapeake Climate Action Network v. Export-Import Bank of the U.S., 
    78 F. Supp. 3d 208
    , 219 (D.D.C. 2015) (quoting Daubert, 
    509 U.S. at
    590–97). “The trial court’s
    gatekeeping obligation applies not only to scientific testimony but to all expert testimony.”
    Groobert v. President & Dirs. of Georgetown Coll., 
    219 F. Supp. 2d 1
    , 6 (D.D.C. 2002) (citing
    Kumho Tire Co. v. Carmichael, 
    526 U.S. 137
    , 148 (1999)). The court’s analysis is “flexible”
    and it has “the same broad latitude when it decides how to determine reliability as it enjoys in
    respect to its ultimate reliability determination.” Kumho Tire Co., 
    526 U.S. at
    141–42 (citing
    General Electric Co. v. Joiner, 
    522 U.S. 136
    , 143 (1997)). Trial courts may apply a variety of
    factors in assessing reliability, including whether the expert’s technique can be tested or has been
    subject to peer review, the existence and maintenance of standards and controls, and whether the
    technique has been generally accepted in the scientific community. See Groobert, 
    219 F. Supp. 2d at
    6 (citing Daubert, 
    509 U.S. at
    593–94).
    Pursuant to Rule 702, Daubert, and its progeny, when determining the admissibility of
    expert testimony, the Court must consider: (1) whether the testimony is based upon sufficient
    facts and data; (2) whether the testimony is the product of reliable principles and methods, i.e.
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    whether the reasoning and methodology underlying the expert’s opinion is scientifically valid;
    and (3) whether the witness has applied the principles and methods reliably to the facts of the
    case. See generally Ambrosini v. Labarraque, 
    101 F.3d 129
    , 133 (D.C. Cir. 1996). Once the
    court is satisfied that the witness is an expert within the meaning of Rule 702, “[u]nder Daubert
    the district court is required to address two questions, first whether the expert’s testimony is
    based on ‘scientific knowledge,’ and second, whether the testimony ‘will assist the trier of fact to
    understand or determine a fact in issue.’” Meister v. Med. Eng’g Corp., 
    267 F.3d 1123
    , 1126
    (D.C. Cir. 2001) (quoting Daubert, 
    509 U.S. at 592
    ).
    “Expert testimony that consists of legal conclusions cannot properly assist the trier of
    fact” in either “‘understand[ing] the evidence’ or . . . ‘determin[ing] a fact in issue.’” Burkhart v.
    Wash. Metro. Area Transit Auth., 
    112 F.3d 1207
    , 1212 (D.C. Cir. 1997) (quoting Fed. R. Evid.
    702)); see also United States ex rel. Mossey v. Pal-Tech, Inc., 
    231 F. Supp. 2d 94
    , 98 (D.D.C.
    2002) (“[E]xpert testimony consisting of legal conclusions will not be permitted because such
    testimony merely states what result should be reached . . . .”). Thus, while “an expert may offer
    his opinion as to facts that, if found, would support a conclusion that the legal standard at issue
    was satisfied,” an expert “may not testify as to whether the legal standard has been satisfied.”
    Burkhart, 
    112 F.3d at
    1212–13 (emphasis added). This limitation, the Circuit has explained, is
    consistent with the Federal Rules’ advisory committee notes, which explain that an expert may
    not offer “‘opinions which would merely tell the jury what result to reach,’ or which are ‘phrased
    in terms of inadequately explored legal criteria.’” 
    Id. at 1212
     (quoting Fed. R. Evid. 704
    advisory committee’s note). “[T]he line between an inadmissible legal conclusion and
    admissible assistance to the trier of fact in understanding the evidence or in determining a fact in
    issue is not always bright.” 
    Id.
     An expert’s testimony is likely to constitute a legal conclusion
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    where “it track[s] the language of the applicable statute” and uses terms that “ha[ve] a
    specialized legal meaning that [are] more precise than the lay understanding of the term.” 
    Id.
     In
    Burkhart itself, for example, the D.C. Circuit held that the district court abused its discretion by
    permitting an expert witness to testify that the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority
    and a transit police officer had violated the ADA by failing to provide the plaintiff—who was
    deaf—with communication that was “as effective” as the communication provided to other
    individuals. 
    Id. at 1213
    .
    “The burden is on the proponent of [expert] testimony to show by a preponderance of the
    evidence that the proffered expert witness is qualified, that his proposed testimony would be
    useful to the finder of fact, and that the testimony is reliable.” Sykes v. Napolitano, 
    634 F. Supp. 2d 1
    , 6 (D.D.C. 2009) (citing Meister v. Med. Eng’g Corp., 
    267 F.3d 1123
    , 1127 n.9 (D.C. Cir.
    2001)). Even if the proposed testimony is proper and relevant, the Court may nonetheless
    exclude it “if its probative value is substantially outweighed by a danger of one or more of the
    following: unfair prejudice, confusing the issues, misleading the jury, undue delay, wasting time,
    or needlessly presenting cumulative evidence.” Fed. R. Evid. 403; see Bazarian Int’l Fin.
    Assocs., LLC v. Desarrolos Aerohotelco, C.A., 
    315 F. Supp. 3d 101
    , 128 (D.D.C. 2018)
    (analyzing expert testimony under Rule 403).
    III. ANALYSIS
    A. Defendant’s Motion to Exclude the Government’s Expert
    Norton has moved to strike the expert designation and to exclude the expert testimony of
    the Government’s expert Charles Harris. See Def.’s Mot. at 5. 1 According to the Expert
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    Because the Defendant’s motion does not include page numbers, the Court’s citations to this
    motion reference the page numbers generated by the Court’s CM/ECF system.
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    Summary he produced, he has been an audit manager at GSA since 2003 and has worked as a
    GSA auditor, with minimal interruption, since 1987. See Def.’s Mot. Ex. 1, Expert Summary of
    Charles E. Harris (“Harris Rep.”) at 1–2, ECF No. 124-1. Harris says he “ha[s] a detailed
    understanding of the manner in which GSA audits [MAS] contracts, including to identify
    transactions that violate the [PRC].” 
    Id. at 1
    . According to the Government, “[t]estimony by a
    career GSA auditor with decades of experience reviewing MAS contracts and contractors’
    transactional data to flag potential PRC violations will assist the trier of fact to make the factual
    determinations necessary to calculate damages to the United States” and “will allow the trier of
    fact to understand why GSA would flag individual commercial transactions as potential PRC
    violations.” U.S. Opp’n to Def.’s Mot. (“U.S. Opp’n”) at 4, ECF No. 138.
    Harris describes the data he reviewed as follows: He was asked by the Government’s
    counsel to review Norton/Symantec sales data assembled by another Government expert, Dr.
    Allison Holt. See Harris Rep. at 2. Dr. Holt had filtered out certain types of transactions, using
    “conservative assumptions” about the Defendant’s liability. 
    Id.
     The data that Harris received
    from Dr. Holt “included only those sales on which a commercial customer received a non-
    standard discount from Symantec,” 
    id. at 3
     (footnote omitted), and Dr. Holt had “compiled data
    from various available datasets to gather note fields and other pieces of transactional data . . . that
    might be relevant to consider in identifying whether any sales transaction violated Symantec’s
    PRC,” 
    id. at 4
    . The Government’s counsel directed Harris’s attention to certain excerpted fields
    from this larger dataset, but provided him “[t]he complete collection of data assembled by Dr.
    Holt” for his review.” 
    Id.
    After the data was all processed in this way, Harris’s analysis began, and primarily
    involved addressing two questions. First, he evaluated “[w]hether [he] believed that a
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    transaction triggered a price reduction under the PRC in light of the terms of Symantec’s [Final
    Proposal Revision (“FPR”)] and any other items [he] would typically review in a pre- or post-
    award audit.” 
    Id. at 5
    . Second, in relation to the same materials, he would make an assumption,
    favorable to Symantec, that certain deals were excluded from PRC coverage, and would then
    consider again “whether [he] believed a transaction triggered a price reduction.” 
    Id.
    Specifically, during this second stage of analysis, Harris assumed that Symantec/Norton’s
    October 2006 Supplement responding to an Administrative Letter from GSA had exempted
    certain types of deals from PRC coverage when it explained that these particular types of deals
    were deals for which Symantec would give “better rates and/or terms and conditions” than it was
    offering the Government. Id.; U.S. MSJ Ex. 82 at 49 (the “October 2006 Supplement”), ECF
    No. 131-32. 2 Harris’s Summary concludes with his determination that certain transactions he
    flagged “triggered a price reduction under the PRC in light of Symantec’s FPR” and that “had
    these transactions been identified in a pre-or post-award audit of Symantec’s GSA contract a
    GSA auditor would have referred them for contractual actions to the relevant Contracting
    Officer.” Harris Rep. at 8. Assuming the suggested carve-out did not change these conclusions.
    
    Id.
     at 8–9.
    Norton argues that Harris’s testimony should be excluded and his expert designation
    stricken because these opinions are legal conclusions and thus not admissible as expert
    testimony. Def.’s Mot. at 11–15. The Court agrees. Harris would testify, in essence, that it is
    his expert opinion that Norton/Symantec committed violations of the PRC. This testimony
    2
    Harris’s Expert Summary cites to a different version of the relevant document, see Harris Rep.
    at 5, but the Court was not able to locate a version of the October 2006 Supplement with the
    Bates stamp numbering Harris cites. The cited version is attached to the United States’ Motion
    for Partial Summary Judgment and, as far as the Court can tell, it is identical to the document
    Harris used, at least with regard to reflecting the basis for the alleged carve-out.
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    would be a legal conclusion because it “states what result should be reached.” Mossey, 
    231 F. Supp. 2d at 98
    . It crosses over the line between testimony “as to facts that, if found would
    support a conclusion that the legal standard at issue was satisfied” and is instead testimony
    stating “whether the legal standard has been satisfied.” Burkhart, 
    112 F.3d at
    1212–13. “An
    expert witness may not deliver legal conclusions on domestic law, for legal principles are outside
    the witness’ area of expertise under Federal Rule of Evidence 702.” Weston v. Wash. Metro.
    Area Transit Auth., 
    78 F.3d 682
    , 684 n.4 (D.C. Cir. 1996).
    Harris’s testimony would be comparable to the testimony excluded by the D.C. Circuit in
    Burkhart. See Burkhart, 
    112 F.3d at
    1212–13. As the Court has explained, whether Symantec
    breached the PRC is among the questions directly posed by Count VII of the Omnibus
    Complaint, alleging breach of contract. Omnibus Compl. ¶¶ 332–37. An affirmative answer
    would also fulfill the falsity element that the Government is required to prove for most of its
    other claims. As this Court has said before:
    While courts have at times permitted greater leeway and allowed expert testimony,
    couched in legal conclusions, when such testimony would assist the factfinder in
    navigating the complex legal regime at issue, those courts have been careful to
    caution that an expert may not testify about how the application of those legal
    standards should cut in the particular case before them.
    National Association for the Deaf v. District Hospital Partners, L.P., No. 14-cv-1222, 
    2016 WL 447444
    , at *6 (D.D.C. Feb. 4, 2016) (citing United States v. Bilzerain, 
    926 F.2d 1285
    , 1294–95
    (2d Cir. 1990); United States v. Offill, 
    666 F.3d 168
    , 174 (4th Cir. 2001)). Harris’s report and
    proposed testimony would tell the jury exactly what result to reach on this contested issue in this
    particular case.
    The Government argues otherwise, but it does not draw a convincing distinction between
    impermissible expert testimony offering legal conclusions and the testimony that it would have
    Harris introduce. In opposing Norton’s motion to exclude, the Government says Harris will
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    testify only as to “whether he believed that a Symantec transaction triggered the PRC . . . such
    that he would have flagged the transactions” in the course of a pre- or post-award Audit. U.S.
    Opp’n at 6. The government says he would be qualified based on his “vast experience reviewing
    contracts and transactional data in the course of conducting PRC compliance audits, as well as
    extensive familiarity with the PRC itself and its application.” 
    Id. at 4
    ; see Fed. R. Evid. 702
    (allowing qualification based on “other specialized knowledge”). This would put Harris’s
    testimony at a level of remove. He would testify as to his typical practice as an auditor and to
    whether Symantec transactions resemble those he would normally identify as possible violations,
    rather than testifying directly as to whether the Defendant’s activity was a violation. This kind
    of testimony could be proper if it served to illuminate the Government’s understanding of the
    PRC, and thus to help resolve the factual dispute over what the parties mutually intended when
    they agreed to the contract. See MSJs Op. at 45–50 (holding that unresolved disputes of material
    fact concerning the parties’ mutual understandings of the PRC prevented summary judgment for
    the Government on its claim that Symantec breached the PRC). But the Government’s careful
    phrasing of Harris’s proposed testimony in its opposition brief is inconsistent with the text of
    Harris’s actual report, in which he writes quite definitively that “It is my opinion . . . that these
    [flagged] transactions triggered a price reduction under the PRC in light of the terms of
    Symantec’s FPR.” Harris Rep. at 8.
    The Government tried to draw a similar line during Harris’s deposition. The
    Government’s counsel asked Harris, “Is it your understanding that your role at trial will be to tell
    the Jury, ‘Ladies and gentlemen, this is how you should interpret the contract’?” to which Harris
    answered “No.” Def.’s Mot. Ex. 2, Deposition Tr. of Charles Harris (“Harris Tr.”) at 177–78,
    ECF No. 124-2. By way of contrast, counsel next asked, “Instead, is it your understanding that
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    your role at trial will be something along the lines of, ‘Ladies and gentlemen, this is the
    understanding I have of the contract that I applied to the sales data’?” to which Harris answered
    “Yes.” 
    Id. at 178
    . The Court acknowledges there is some distinction between these two
    formulations, and that some of the latter might be proper expert testimony under Rule 702.
    However, distinguishing between the two formulations requires drawing a finer line than the
    Court thinks the jury can safely be asked to draw without becoming confused or misled. The
    Court will therefore exclude under Rule 403 whatever borderline proper testimony Harris might
    be able to provide. “In jury trials, the danger of prejudice from the presentation of expert
    testimony is significant because of the potential for the jury to accept an expert witness’s
    testimony automatically.” Edmonds v. United States, No. 05-cv-540, 
    2009 WL 969938
    , at *1
    (D.D.C. Apr. 7, 2009) (citing United States v. Addison, 
    498 F.2d 741
    , 744 (D.C. Cir. 1974));
    United States v. Anderson, 
    851 F.2d 384
    , 393 (D.C. Cir. 1988) (“Courts have frequently noted
    that there is often an inherent danger with expert testimony unduly biasing the jury because of its
    aura of special reliability and trust.” (citation, quotation marks and alterations omitted)). The
    Court thinks that in this instance there is a serious risk that the jury will credit Harris too
    automatically based on his work as a GSA auditor.
    Furthermore, Harris’s report and proposed testimony implicitly reaches legal conclusions
    about the meaning of the contract. The Court has ruled twice now that the PRC is ambiguous on
    its face, as the terms “commercial class of customers” and “discount relationship” are both
    subject to more than one reasonable interpretation. United States ex rel. Morsell v. Symantec
    Corp., 
    130 F. Supp. 3d 106
    , 138 (D.D.C. 2015) (denying the Government’s first motion for
    partial summary judgment); MSJ Op. at 45–50 (denying summary judgment on the issue of PRC
    breach in ruling on the Government’s second motion for partial summary judgment). Harris’s
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    two-stage analysis accounts for ambiguity in “commercial class of customers,” by testing both
    alternatives for what it might mean. He does not, however, account for the fact that “discount
    relationship” is ambiguous. Nor does he explain what assumptions he is making about how it
    should be understood. Harris’s report then, implicitly and impermissibly provides a definition
    for “discount relationship” and interprets the contract accordingly. See, e.g., Mossey, 
    231 F. Supp. 2d at 98
     (excluding an expert report that “provide[d] definitions of legal and regulatory
    terms coupled with [the expert’s] conclusions on how these terms affect[ed] [the] contract”
    because this would not “help the trier of fact better ‘understand the evidence’ or ‘determine a fact
    in issue,’” (quoting Fed. R. Evid. 702)). If Harris were allowed to testify about conclusions he
    reached using a particular understanding of the disputed term “discount relationship,” there
    would be a serious risk of misleading the jury into thinking either that the meaning of the term is
    not a subject of dispute or that Harris’s (legal) opinion about what the term means ought to be
    credited.
    Importantly for the Rule 403 analysis, the Court finds that the probative value of Harris’s
    proposed testimony is significantly diminished by the availability of Dr. Holt’s testimony. As
    explained, Harris’s work in this case entailed only reviewing data that Dr. Holt had “compiled
    from various datasets . . . and distilled to isolate transactions that may have violated Symantec’s
    PRC.” Harris Rep. at 2. Harris was not involved in deciding what data he would review or how
    it was presented. See Harris Tr. at 74–75. Dr. Holt, on the other hand, dedicates nearly three
    pages of her initial report to explaining how she distilled the relevant data to identify transactions
    that may have triggered the PRC. U.S. MSJ Ex. 73, Expert Rep. of Allison I. Holt, Ph.D. at 29–
    32, ECF No. 131-23. Norton has not moved to exclude or to strike Dr. Holt’s testimony, and she
    would be able to explain how the Government identified alleged PRC violations. She could do
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    this based solely on her statistical expertise, and there would be a reduced risk of her testimony
    misleading the jury as compared with Harris’s, which might carry an inappropriate air of added
    authority based on his status as a GSA auditor. Because Dr. Holt’s testimony is available to the
    Government, Harris’s would add little probative value to offset the significant risk of prejudice it
    would introduce.
    Finally, although the Government suggests that Harris’s testimony “will assist the trier of
    fact to make the factual determinations necessary to calculate damages,” U.S. Opp’n at 4
    (emphasis added), the Court does not understand Harris’s work to be an integral part of the
    Government’s damages calculation. The Government explains that a third expert, “Dr. David
    Gulley . . . calculated damages to the United States resulting from the transactions contained in
    Dr. Holt’s analysis.” Id. at 1. “Dr. Gulley,” the Court is told, “use[d] the transactions that
    Harris . . . identified” as ones that would have been flagged “to calculate the Government’s
    damages.” Id. at 2. Dr. Gulley’s report—partially produced to the Court as an exhibit during
    summary judgment briefing—references calculations made “[b]ased on the dataset of PRC-
    triggering transactions that [Dr. Gulley] received from Charles Harris.” U.S. Opp’n to Sym.
    MSJ Ex. 245 at 8, ECF No. 142-11. Still, the Court fails to see how Harris’s work was a
    necessary step in the damages calculation. Harris played no role in selecting what data he
    reviewed, and assumed that every transaction he reviewed violated the PRC. Harris Tr. at 177
    (confirming Harris’s assumption “that every deal [he] reviewed contained a special discount that
    disturbed the price discount relationship at least as the government believes it”).
    It appears that Harris was essentially a middleman between Dr. Holt and Dr. Gulley, and
    that he simply agreed with counsel that that the transactions Dr. Holt had identified looked like
    the kinds of transactions he would have flagged. These transactions were passed along to Dr.
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    Gulley with Harris’s imprimatur. Rather than having Harris testify to liability, and possibly
    confuse a jury with his purported expertise, the Government could instead show Dr. Gulley the
    transactions identified by Dr. Holt and ask him to assume liability. This would avoid confusing
    the legal question of liability with the factual questions to which experts may properly testify.
    The Government has explained that Harris’s “opinions are being proffered in connection with a
    complex damages analysis,” U.S. Opp’n at 14, but it has not argued that the damages calculation
    is impossible without his input. Because, as the Court understands it, there is an alternative
    means of introducing testimony concerning damages—though it may require an update to Dr.
    Gulley’s report—the exclusion of Dr. Harris will not prejudice the government by seriously
    undermining its ability to present a calculation of damages. 3
    B. The Government’s Motion to Exclude Defendant’s Experts
    The Government has moved to exclude the testimony of two experts retained by Norton.
    Because the Government challenges their testimony on similar grounds, and because their
    testimony does, in fact, present many of the same problems, the Court will address these experts
    together. Ultimately the Court holds that some of their testimony is proper and some is
    improper. Rather than attempt to review these experts’ reports and testimony line-by-line, the
    Court will endeavor to identify those arguments by the Government that are meritorious and will
    highlight some portions of the proposed testimony that are either proper or improper. In so
    doing, the Court hopes to identify the contours of proper testimony by these witnesses and to
    3
    If the Government believes Harris’s calculations are necessary to present the damages
    calculations made by Dr. Gulley, the Court would entertain a motion for reconsideration on this
    narrow basis.
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    streamline their testimony for trial, but to avoid constraining the Defendant’s ability to put
    forward a case at trial by limiting these experts’ testimony to statements already in the record. 4
    The first of Norton’s experts that the Government challenges is Bill Gormley. U.S. Mot.
    According to his expert report, Gormley worked for GSA for nearly thirty years, during which he
    “extensively reengineered the Schedules program,” “developed the first government-wide e-
    commerce tools,” and helped develop the CSP solicitation format. See U.S. Mot. Ex. 20, Expert
    Rep. of Bill Gormley (“Gormley Rep.”) at 3–4, ECF No. 106-22. Gormley left GSA in 2000 and
    has since worked as a consultant and as a high ranking official in at least two government
    purchasing industry groups. Id. at 4.
    Gormley’s expert report includes general background about GSA and the MAS Schedule
    contract program as well as more specific conclusions based on a review of the documentary
    record produced in this case. Id. at 5 (“Background of the GSA Schedules Program”), 8 (“The
    Negotiation and Award of GSA Schedules”), 12 (“Symantec’s Offer and Negotiation”). His
    opinions regarding the GSA-Symantec negotiating process are fairly specific including, for
    example, that “Symantec’s CSP Disclosures adequately disclosed its discounting practices” and
    that “[a] reasonable contracting officer would have understood that Symantec did not intend that
    non-standard discounts would trigger the PRC” and “could have decided to exclude certain of
    Symantec’s buying programs from the price negotiations.” Id. at 4–5 (summarizing opinions).
    Gormley explains that his opinions “are based on a review of the documents that were made
    4
    The Defendant additionally filed a Motion for Leave to Supplement the Record in Support of
    its Opposition to the Government’s Motion, ECF No. 118, with arguments based on deposition
    testimony taken after it filed its Opposition to the Government’s Motion. This Motion for Leave
    to Supplement the Record is granted.
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    available and upon [his] education, training, knowledge, experience[,] and expertise regarding
    GSA and GSA Schedules.” Id. at 4.
    Norton’s second expert is Larry Allen, Jr. U.S. Mot. Allen is the founder and president
    of a consulting firm and “often represent[s] GSA Schedule contract holders whom [he] assist[s]
    in a wide variety of GSA Schedule compliance matters.” U.S. Mot. Ex. 22, Expert Rep. of
    Edward Larry Allen, Jr. (“Allen Rep.”) at 1, ECF No. 106-24. Allen says he has “counseled
    GSA Schedule contractors . . . on all aspects of seeking, negotiating, and administering a GSA
    Schedule contract,” and that this includes “conduct[ing] compliance reviews” focusing on “the
    many complex terms and conditions of a MAS contract, including the [PRC].” Id. at 2. He has
    “worked with government contract attorneys on GSA Schedule contract audits” and “with
    companies to develop, update, and assess their GSA Schedule contract compliance programs.”
    Id. Allen has been an industry representative on a GSA MAS Advisory Panel, id. at 3–4, and
    also led an industry lobbying group for over ten years, id. at 4–5.
    Like Gormley, Allen’s expert report includes a combination of broad observations about
    GSA contracting and specific evaluations of this case. See, e.g., id. at 8 (“Overview of an
    Effective GSA Schedule Compliance Program”), 19 (“Symantec’s Understanding of its . . . PRC
    Responsibilities was Reasonable and Never Contradicted by GSA”). The portions of his report
    that do not focus on the facts of this case differ from comparable sections of Gormley’s report in
    that they are much more focused on criticizing GSA. Allen’s report includes, for example, a
    nine-page section with the heading “Compliance Challenges Created by GSA’s Lack of
    Guidance to Contractors Regarding Schedule Compliance,” which explains, among other things,
    that “[i]n [Allen’s] experience, the lack of clear definitions and meaningful guidance from GSA,
    combined with the wide range of goods and services sold through GSA Schedule contracts,
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    makes it extremely difficult for Schedule contract holders to decipher their compliance
    obligations.” Id. at 10–19; 13–14. Allen’s opinions about this case are similar to Gormley’s and
    include that “[p]rior to the award of its GSA Schedule contract, Symantec diligently sought to
    understand the rules governing the MAS program” and that “[i]n seeking to obtain a GSA
    Schedule Contract, Symantec submitted detailed CSP disclosures, with extensive supporting
    data, sufficient to allow a reasonable GSA [contracting officer] to negotiate a fair and reasonable
    GSA Schedule contract with Symantec.” Id. at 7 (“Summary of Opinions”).
    1. Opinions Concerning Contract Interpretation
    The Government first presents several arguments for why testimony that it characterizes
    as “Allen and Gormley’s interpretations of the basis of award category and discount relationship
    in the Contract” between GSA and Symantec should not be admitted. U.S. Mot. at 20. Their
    first argument in this regard is familiar. The Government argues that Gormley and Allen, as
    experts, cannot offer interpretations of the contract between GSA and Symantec because
    interpretation of contracts and the underlying regulations is a legal issue. Id. at 21–23. Norton’s
    response is to say that Gormley and Allen will not “offer their own interpretations” of the
    contract but will instead speak only to “agency and industry usage.” Def. Symantec Corp.’s
    Mem. of P. & A. in Opp’n to U.S. Mot. (“Def.’s Opp’n”) at 32, ECF No. 108. Both parties state
    the law more or less correctly. An expert “should not be permitted to testify regarding the
    meaning of [a] contract between the parties” but may be “permitted to testify regarding the
    meaning of contract terms when the meaning depends on industry practice.” SEC v. Johnson,
    
    525 F. Supp. 2d 66
    , 70 (D.D.C. 2007) (citations omitted). The D.C. Circuit has specifically said
    that an expert may testify as to “the common usage of . . . terms in the government contracts
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    industry.” United States v. Safavian, 
    528 F.3d 957
    , 967 (D.C. Cir. 2008). The relevant question,
    then, is on which side of this line Gormley’s and Allen’s testimony would fall.
    Much of what Gormley and Allen said in their reports and depositions is improper
    testimony regarding the meaning of the contract between the parties. At his deposition, Allen
    agreed that, as far as he was aware, “there is . . . not an industry standard that defines something
    different than what the solicitation says” for the term “customer.” U.S. Mot. Ex. 21, Allen Tr.
    (“Allen Tr.”) at 173, ECF No. 106-23. Gormley likewise acknowledged that “commercial class
    of customers” was not “an industry term of art” and that he did not consult any “industry
    standard definition.” U.S. Mot. Ex. 19, Gormley Tr. (“Gormley Tr.”) at 315–16, ECF No. 106-
    21. To the extent their testimony would rely on any particular definitions of these terms, then,
    such testimony is inappropriate—like Harris’s—because “provid[ing] definitions of legal and
    regulatory terms coupled with [the expert’s] conclusions on how these terms affect [the]
    contract” does not help the jury. Mossey, 
    231 F. Supp. 2d at 98
    . Similarly, Allen opines on what
    “Symantec understood the Commercial Class of Customers [Basis of Award]” to entail, citing
    the deposition transcript of Symantec’s lead negotiator, Kim Bradbury. Allen Rep. at 19. This is
    improper testimony as to the meaning of the contract between the parties. Furthermore, by
    interpreting Bradbury’s testimony this opinion also arguably usurps the role of the jury as the
    finder of fact. See United States v. Libby, 
    461 F. Supp. 2d 3
    , 7 (D.D.C. 2006) (holding in a
    criminal case that “[e]xpert testimony will . . . be precluded if [it] would usurp the jury’s role as
    the final arbiter of the facts, such as testimony on witness credibility and state of mind”).
    Elsewhere in its Motion, the Government asks the Court to exclude as impermissible
    “Gormley’s opinions as to what a reasonable contracting officer could have done or would have
    understood are unreliable and would not assist a jury.” U.S. Mot. at 43. The Government argues
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    that opinions like “[a] reasonable contracting officer would have understood that Symantec did
    not intend that non-standard discounts would trigger the PRC,” Gormley Rep. at 5, are simply “a
    rephrasing of . . . inadmissible contract interpretation opinions,” U.S. Mot. at 43. There is a
    subtle difference between stating outright what a contract means and stating how it could
    reasonably be interpreted, but nonetheless the Court agrees with the broader point that this
    testimony would not help the jury because it is too similar to the improper testimony just
    outlined. “Expert testimony, like all other evidence, may be excluded under Rule 403 if it would
    confuse or mislead the trier of fact . . . .” Edmonds, 
    2009 WL 969938
    , at *1; see Fed. R. Evid.
    403.
    Although testimony about reasonability or about the meaning of the contract between the
    parties is improper, other opinions offered by these experts do appear to be properly grounded in
    their experiential understandings of “the common usage of . . . terms in the government contracts
    industry.” Safavian, 
    528 F.3d at 967
    . Gormley and Allen may properly testify in this regard.
    For example, Gormley may properly testify that “[i]n [his] experience, a broad Basis of Award
    customer or category of customers like ‘all commercial customers’ . . . is not typical in GSA
    Schedules held by large companies.” Gormley Rep. at 18. Likewise Allen can testify that “[he]
    ha[s] seen contractors and [contracting officers] agree on a wide variety of [bases of awards],
    including single customers, groups of customers, pricing programs, and pricelists.” Allen Rep. at
    20. Testimony like this is based on the experts’ personal experiences in the industry and does
    not purport to directly interpret the contract or to know what was in the minds of GSA or
    Symantec. See Johnson, 
    525 F. Supp. 2d at
    69 n.3 (admitting testimony regarding industry
    custom “drawn from many years of experience” and “significant research”). The Government
    will be free to challenge this testimony on cross-examination and can point to the specific facts
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    and documents produced in this case that may be at odds with the experts’ more general
    experiential testimony. Moreover, GSA fact witnesses may testify about their experiences to the
    extent they are different.
    The Government puts forward a few additional arguments against any contract
    interpretation testimony, arguing that Allen and Gormley’s contract interpretation testimony
    should additionally be excluded because it is not based in accepted standards or methods, lacks
    reliability, and does not qualify under the standard for experiential experts. 5 U.S. Mot. at 25–27.
    The focus on “standards or methods” is somewhat misplaced, because, as the Government seems
    to recognize, an expert “may . . . be qualified on the basis of his or her practical experience or
    training.” Rothe Dev., Inc. v. Dep’t of Def., 
    107 F. Supp. 3d 183
    , 196 (D.D.C. 2015) (quoting
    Robinson, 75 F. Supp. 3d at197–98). Rule 702 requires that an expert be qualified to testify on
    the basis of “knowledge, skill, experience, training, or education[,]” and thus the rule
    encompasses “not only experts in the strictest sense of the word, e.g., physicians, physicists, and
    architects, but also the large group sometimes called skilled witnesses, such as bankers or
    landowners testifying to land values.” Fed. R. Evid. 702 advisory committee’s note (1972)
    (internal quotation marks and citation omitted).
    “[I]n a variety of cases involving experts whose experience forms the basis of their
    opinions,” courts have allowed expert testimony based on a “methodology” involving
    “observ[ing] the relevant evidence and appl[ying] their specialized knowledge to the case at
    5
    The Government additionally argues that “[t]he methods employed by Allen and Gormley
    are . . . contradicted by publications made by GSA and the private industry.” U.S. Mot. at 27.
    The Court is relatively less concerned about this than about some of the other problems the
    Government identifies because expert testimony with a weak basis in fact can be addressed
    through cross-examination. See Robinson v. District of Columbia, 
    75 F. Supp. 3d 190
    , 200–01
    (D.D.C. 2014); see also United States v. Williams, 
    212 F.3d 1305
    , 1310 (D.C. Cir. 2000).
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    hand.” Heller v. District of Columbia, 
    952 F. Supp. 2d 133
    , 141 (D.D.C. 2013) (quotations
    omitted); see also, e.g., 
    id. at 142
     (admitting testimony based on “each expert’s professional
    judgment obtained through long experience in the field”). To the extent that any contract
    interpretation testimony is grounded in this kind of experiential methodology and is not improper
    legal opinion, the Court will permit it. This may describe only a narrow category. Again the
    broader principle is that testimony about industry usage or common practice is acceptable and
    testimony specific to the Defendant’s contract is not, because Allen and Gormley have general
    industry experience rather than any particular knowledge of this Contract, or of the inner
    workings of any particular contracting officer’s mind.
    2. Opinions Concerning the Sufficiency of CSPs Disclosures
    Second, the Government argues that the Court should exclude any opinions from
    Gormley or Allen as to whether Symantec’s CSP disclosures were “adequate” or “sufficient.”
    U.S. Mot. at 34–37. The Government explains that both of the Defendant’s experts agree that
    the PAC, which requires “current, accurate, and complete” disclosures, GSAM at 552-12, sets a
    standard for CSPs disclosures, U.S. Mot. at 34–35 (citing Allen Tr. at 44–45; Gormley Tr. at 80,
    374). The Government then makes assertions along the lines of “Symantec’s CSP Disclosures
    adequately disclosed its discounting practices,” Gormley Rep. at 4, or “Symantec submitted
    detailed CSP disclosures . . . sufficient to allow a reasonable GSA [contracting officer] to
    negotiate[,]” Allen Rep. at 7. At the same time, though, the experts claim to be “offering no
    opinions as [to] the accuracy or completeness of Symantec’s CSPs.” U.S. Mot. at 35 (citing
    Allen Tr. at 45–46; Gormley Tr. at 81, 215–16, 255–59, 373–74). The Government says that the
    experts’ opinions about the CSPs’ sufficiency are based on an incorrect or nonexistent standard.
    
    Id.
     at 36–37. Norton argues in response that testimony as to sufficiency or detail of the
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    disclosures will be relevant for purposes of determining whether any deficiencies in the CSPs
    were material. See Def.’s Opp’n at 34.
    The Court agrees with the Government that Allen and Gormley’s opinions concerning the
    adequacy or sufficiency of Symantec’s CSPs will be almost entirely irrelevant. The relevant
    question in this case is whether the CSPs were “current, accurate, and complete.” See GSAM at
    552-12. To be sure, if Allen and Gormley had spoken directly to that question, the Government
    would have moved to exclude the testimony as offering a legal conclusion, and the Court would
    likely have agreed. The shift to speaking in terms of sufficiency, adequacy, or level of detail
    does not suffice to salvage this expert evaluation of the CSPs because it makes experts’
    testimony about the CSPs confusing and likely prejudicial.
    This testimony will not be allowed because it is likely to confuse and mislead the jury.
    See Edmonds, 
    2009 WL 969938
    , at *1; Fed. R. Evid. 403 (“Although relevant, evidence may be
    excluded if its probative value is substantially outweighed by the danger of unfair prejudice,
    confusion of the issues, or misleading the jury, or by considerations of undue delay, waste of
    time, or needless presentation of cumulative evidence.”). As the Court has stated, there is a
    “significant” risk during a jury trial that “the jury [will] accept an expert witness’s testimony
    automatically.” 
    Id.
     (citing Addison, 
    498 F.2d at 744
    ). The jury is likely to hear and interpret
    testimony averring the quality of Symantec’s CSPs as testimony that the CSPs met the regulatory
    and contractual standard of “current, accurate, and complete.” Allen and Gormley use language
    that is almost synonymous with the legal standard. It is unrealistic to ask jurors to carefully
    distinguish between, for example, the notion that the CSPs “adequately disclosed . . . discounting
    practices” and the notion that Symantec’s CSPs were “accurate and complete.”
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    Additionally, neither Allen nor Gormley appears sufficiently familiar with Symantec’s
    pricing and discount policies to testify about whether they were disclosed in sufficient detail by
    the CSPs. Each disclaimed any expertise regarding the specifics of Symantec’s pricing. Allen
    Tr. at 21; Gormley Tr. at 73. The Government also argues that the experts failed to review a
    number of relevant materials in the record regarding Symantec’s pricing and discounting
    practices. U.S. Mot. at 36–37. Were this the only shortcoming with their testimony on CSPs,
    the Court might say the issue could be better addressed through cross-examination. See supra
    n.5 (citing Williams, 
    212 F.3d at 1310
    ). As it stands, though, the lack of demonstrated
    knowledge of Symantec’s policies cuts against the probative value of the testimony under the
    Rule 403 balancing test.
    Although the Court will not allow testimony directly commenting on whether Symantec’s
    CSPs were sufficient, adequate, or detailed, Allen and Gormley do have experience sufficient to
    qualify them to make some comments regarding CSP disclosures generally. See Rothe Dev.,
    Inc., 107 F. Supp. 3d at 196 (discussing expert qualifications based on experience). Gormley
    helped develop the CSPs format while at GSA. Gormley Rep. at 3–4. He also worked as a GSA
    contracting officer. Id. at 3. This experience qualifies him to offer testimony on, for example,
    what CSP disclosures generally look like or on how GSA uses them. Allen’s experience is less
    direct. He does not say he has ever reviewed or worked with CSPs, but he says he “assisted
    GSA with the creation of the CSP format” and that his firm offered comments while the format
    was being developed. Allen Rep. at 6. This experience is not quite as strong a basis for expert
    testimony as Gormley’s experience is, but it is enough that the Court cannot say Allen lacks any
    basis to opine on CSPs generally.
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    The bottom line when it comes to CSPs testimony by Allen and Gormley is very similar
    to the bottom line regarding contract interpretation. These experts are qualified based on their
    experience in the industry to offer general opinions on typical practice, but may not say or even
    intimate that Symantec’s CSPs met any particular standard. Gormley can explain, for example,
    the purposes behind CSP disclosure requirements, and can describe how a contracting officer
    uses them, based on his experience. Gormley Rep. at 8–9. He may also testify, as he did in his
    report, based on his “experience,” to “longstanding practice” at GSA. Id. at 19. He may not,
    however, testify as to what a contracting officer could or would make of Symantec’s particular
    disclosures, or offer comparative testimony describing how Symantec’s disclosures compare to
    those of “typical vendor[s].” See, e.g., id. at 16. Based on the career experience he describes in
    his report, the Court has reason to question whether Allen has the experience necessary to say
    properly as much about CSPs as Gormley, but Allen may also give similar general testimony
    about industry practice. The Government will have the opportunity to cross examine both
    experts and to challenge their degrees of experience and familiarity with different aspects of the
    MAS contracting process. See Williams, 
    212 F.3d at 1310
     (“[T]rial judges generally rely on the
    structural check of cross-examination in permitting opinion testimony with a weak
    foundation . . . .”).
    3. Remaining Opinions
    The Government’s remaining arguments are an assortment of challenges to the remaining
    sections of Gormley’s and Allen’s testimony. The Government asks the Court to exclude
    “Allen’s personal opinions on the sufficiency of GSA’s training concerning the MAS program.”
    U.S. Mot. at 37. His report explains in detail what Allen describes as “compliance challenges
    created by GSA’s lack of guidance to contractors regarding schedule compliance.” Allen Rep. at
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    10; see 
    id.
     at 10–19. The Court agrees with the Government that this testimony is irrelevant to
    this case and should be excluded under Rule 401. U.S. Mot. at 39 (citing Fed. R. Evid. 401
    (“Evidence is relevant if: (a) it has any tendency to make a fact more or less probable . . . ; and
    (b) the fact is of consequence in determining the action.”)). This case is about whether the
    Defendant violated its obligations under a contract that it entered into with GSA, it is not about
    whether GSA does enough to educate potential contractors about what they will be getting into if
    they participate in the MAS program. At no point has the Defendant raised any sort of
    affirmative defense that would absolve it of liability based on insufficient compliance guidance
    from GSA. Nor does the Defendant explain in its Opposition how this testimony would be
    relevant.
    Furthermore, the suggestion that Symantec did not know what it was getting into is
    completely at odds with the picture the Defendant painted for the Court in its recent Motion for
    Summary Judgment. The Defendant’s brief supporting that motion began by arguing that the
    “most glaring and irremediable flaw” in the Government’s case was “their failure to take into
    account the knowledge, expertise, or discussions by the two women who negotiated the contract”
    who were both “thoroughly versed in GSA contracting requirements, expertise they acquired
    through years of negotiating and administering GSA Schedule contracts.” Symantec Corp.’s
    Statement of P. & A. in Supp. of its Mot. for Summ. J. (“Sym MSJ”) at 1, ECF No. 126-2. The
    Defendant also told the Court that its lead negotiator, Bradbury, was “an experienced GSA
    Schedule contract administrator” who had “‘received . . . a lot of training about government
    contracting’ and ‘worked in government contracts for [her] entire career,’ which started in
    1981.” Def. Symantec Corp.’s Statement of Undisputed Material Facts in Supp. of its MSJ ¶ 10,
    ECF No. 126-3 (alterations in original) (citations omitted).
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    The Government also challenges “Allen’s opinions regarding Symantec’s general
    compliance program and methods to track price list changes.” U.S. Mot. at 40; see 
    id.
     at 40–43.
    This refers to two different portions of Allen’s testimony. The Government’s reference to
    opinions regarding the “general compliance program” refers to Allen’s discussion of Department
    of Justice guidance. Allen Rep. at 10; see U.S. Mot. at 40 (citing Allen Tr. at 304–08). The
    Court agrees with the Government that this testimony is not relevant. Allen has acknowledged
    that these compliance programs are “not specifically tailored to the schedules program” and that
    they do not set standards for complying with any of the regulatory obligations at issue in this
    case. Allen Tr. at 305–08. And even if marginally relevant, it would be excluded under Rule
    403 as its presentation would result in “undue delay, [and] wasting [of] time.” Fed. R. Evid. 403.
    Allen’s opinions on “Symantec’s . . . methods to track price list changes,” U.S. Mot. at
    40, refers to a different section of his report. This section describes “thorough and significant
    steps” taken by Symantec in preparation of seeking a GSA Schedule contract, including
    acquiring Veritas Software Corp. and tasking Bradbury with preparing Symantec’s proposal.
    Allen Rep. at 25–26. He then devotes over a dozen pages of his report to explaining his opinion
    “that Symantec’s policies, practices, systems, and personnel, collectively met or exceeded
    reasonable industry standards for GSA Schedule contract compliance.” Id. at 33; see id. at 33–
    48. This opinion is based on his review of documents and deposition testimony produced in this
    case, and is “informed by [Allen’s] knowledge and experience.” Id. at 33. The Government
    does not challenge this testimony as irrelevant, but as based in no reliable methodology, and as
    not appreciative of the full factual record of the case. See U.S. Reply in Further Supp. of its Mot.
    to Exclude (“U.S. Reply.”) at 16 n.9, ECF No. 109; U.S. Mot. at 42–43. The latter objection is
    immaterial because the Government could confront Allen during cross-examination with any
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    portions of the factual record that it believes he has overlooked, Williams, 
    212 F.3d at 1310
    , but
    the Court shares the Government’s concern about the lack of a proper foundation for opinion
    testimony regarding whether Symantec met “reasonable industry standards.”
    An expert need not employ a rigorous analytical methodology if the expert is instead
    “qualified on the basis of his or her practical experience or training.” Rothe Dev., Inc., 107 F.
    Supp. 3d at 196 (quoting Robinson, 75 F. Supp. 3d at 197). But “[i]f the witness is relying solely
    or primarily on experience, then the witness must explain how that experience leads to the
    conclusion reached, why that experience is a sufficient basis for the opinion, and how that
    experience is reliably applied to the facts.” Fed. R. Evid. 702 advisory committee’s note; see
    also Arias v. DynCorp., 
    928 F. Supp. 2d 10
    , 15–16 (D.D.C. 2013). Testimony of the sort that
    Allen would provide must therefore be based on something more than mere reference to
    “experience.” In United States v. Second Chance Body Armor, 
    289 F. Supp. 3d 145
     (D.D.C.
    2018), for instance, expert testimony was excluded in part because the expert “d[id] not cite any
    accepted industry standards or relevant articles in either of his reports, relying instead solely on
    documents and testimony from th[e] case.” 
    Id. at 176
    . Similarly, when evaluating negligence,
    courts generally do not accept expert testimony on what is reasonable practice in a given industry
    based solely on an expert’s own evaluation. See, e.g. Beckwith v. Interstate Mgmt. Co., 
    82 F. Supp. 3d 255
    , 262–64 (D.D.C. 2015) (declining to credit an expert declaration purporting to
    articulate a standard of care in the hotel industry because it contained only “generalized
    references to industry standards” but did not articulate “the substantive content of any standard
    of care” (quotation and internal citations omitted)). In that context, “[t]he expert must proffer a
    specific, articulable (and articulated) standard.” Briggs v. Wash. Metro. Area Transit Auth., 481
    
    31 F.3d 839
    , 846 (D.C. Cir. 2007) (applying D.C. law) (quotation marks and internal citations
    omitted).
    Allen’s testimony about whether Symantec’s methodologies meet reasonable industry
    standards will be excluded because it lacks a reliable basis. Allen testified that he did not look to
    industry publications or peer-reviewed journals for the “reasonable industry standards” he
    discusses in his report, but identified such standards based only on his own experience. Allen Tr.
    at 364–65. He also fails to connect his evaluation of Symantec’s methods to his past experience
    in the industry—the relevant sections of his Report only discuss Symantec and reference Allen’s
    experience only in passing. See Allen Rep. at 25–48. It cites only to documents in the record
    and does not even include any discussion of industry practices outside of Symantec’s own. This
    testimony will therefore be excluded.
    Finally, the Government challenges remaining opinions offered by Gormley not covered
    by its previous objections. U.S. Mot. at 43–44. The first of these, concerning “Gormley’s
    opinions as to what a reasonable contracting officer could have done or would have understood,”
    
    id. at 43
    , has already been addressed. The second challenges “Gormley’s opinions on what is
    reasonable to infer from the facts of the case.” 
    Id. at 44
    . The Government does not identify any
    particular testimony that it seeks to exclude on this basis, but the Court agrees, as it must, with
    the cited Circuit precedent stating that “where the jury is just as competent to consider and weigh
    the evidence as is an expert witness and just as well qualified to draw the necessary conclusions
    therefrom, it is improper to use opinion evidence for the purpose.” Gilmore v. Palestinian
    Interim Self-Government Auth., 
    843 F.3d 958
    , 973 (D.C. Cir. 2016) (quoting Henkel v. Varner,
    
    138 F.2d 934
    , 935 (D.C. Cir. 1943)). The determining factor for whether Gormley is able to
    testify as to inferences he has drawn will be the qualifying language in the quoted rule: it
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    depends on whether the jury is “just as competent” to draw the same inference. 
    Id.
     In its Reply,
    the Government suggests that one piece of inferential reasoning that it would like excluded
    involves conclusions Gormley draws from the phrase “see attached” in an email. U.S. Reply at
    18 (citing Def.’s Opp’n at 28 (citing Gormley Rep. at 22)). The Court agrees that this inference
    seems to depend on general familiarity with email communications much more than it does on
    any industry-specific expertise. This is consequently not proper expert testimony. The Court
    cannot say, though, that Gormley may draw no inferences from the facts of the case, because it
    seems entirely possible that his experience with GSA Schedule contracts might allow him to
    draw some inferences that the jury could not reach on its own. The Government will, of course,
    have the opportunity to challenge any inferences through cross-examination and to cast doubt on
    those not truly based in expertise.
    III. CONCLUSION
    For the foregoing reasons, the Defendant’s Motion to Strike the Expert Designation and
    Expert Testimony of Charles Harris, ECF No. 124, is GRANTED; the United States’ Motion to
    Exclude Persons Designated by Symantec to Provide Expert Testimony, ECF No. 105, is
    GRANTED IN PART AND DENIED IN PART; and the Defendant’s Motion for Leave to
    Supplement the Record in Support of its Opposition to the United States’ Motion to Exclude,
    ECF No. 118, is GRANTED. An order consistent with this Memorandum Opinion is separately
    and contemporaneously issued.
    Dated: March 30, 2020                                            RUDOLPH CONTRERAS
    United States District Judge
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