Dakota James McNeil v. State ( 2022 )


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    March 16, 2022
    In the Court of Appeals of Georgia
    A21A1769. MCNEIL v. THE STATE.
    RICKMAN, Chief Judge.
    After a jury trial, Dakota McNeil was convicted of aggravated sexual battery,
    rape, child molestation, and incest for acts committed against the victim, his niece.
    He filed a motion for new trial, which the trial court denied. On appeal, he argues that
    the trial court erred by denying his motion for new trial because the evidence was
    insufficient to support his conviction and he received ineffective assistance of trial
    counsel in several respects. We find no reversible error and affirm.
    1. Scope of the appellate record.
    As an initial matter, we address the scope of the record that we may consider
    in ruling on this appeal. We do this because the appellate briefs cite materials that are
    not part of the appellate record.
    In his order denying McNeil’s motion for new trial, the trial judge expressly
    stated that he did not consider certain records of the Department of Family and
    Children Services (“DFACS”), which were in the trial court’s possession after an in
    camera review, because those records had not been tendered or admitted into
    evidence or otherwise made a part of the trial court’s record. Nevertheless, McNeil
    asked the trial court to transmit the DFACS records to this Court on appeal. The State
    did not oppose McNeil’s request, and so the trial court provided the DFACS records
    to the clerk of court and ordered that the clerk transmit them to this Court under seal,
    “along with the official record.”
    Although the DFACS records are part of the materials sent to us by the trial
    court, we still must determine their “relevancy for appeal purposes[.]” McHugh Fuller
    Law Group v. PruittHealth-Toccoa, 
    297 Ga. 94
    , 99 (2) n. 4 (772 SE2d 660) (2015).
    And on appeal we may “consider only the facts and evidence that were before the trial
    court when it ruled upon [McNeil’s motion for new trial].” Sherod v. State, 
    334 Ga. App. 314
    , 315 n. 9 (779 SE2d 94) (2015). The trial court determined that the DFACS
    records were not part of the evidence that was before it at the time of its ruling; and,
    while McNeil has offered some criticism of the trial court’s treatment of those
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    records,1 he has not challenged on appeal that aspect of the trial court’s ruling.
    Consequently, we cannot consider the DFACS records in deciding this appeal.2 See
    Bailey v. State, 
    313 Ga. App. 824
    , 827 n. 1 (723 SE2d 55) (2012).
    2. Sufficiency of the evidence.
    “When a defendant challenges the sufficiency of the evidence supporting his
    criminal conviction, the relevant question is whether, after viewing the evidence in
    the light most favorable to the prosecution, any rational trier of fact could have found
    the essential elements of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt.” (Citation and
    punctuation omitted.) Dunlap v. State, 
    351 Ga. App. 685
     (1) (832 SE2d 667) (2019)
    (quoting Jackson v. Virginia, 
    443 U. S. 307
    , 319 (III) (B) (99 SCt 2781, 61 LE2d
    560) (1979)).
    So viewed, the evidence showed that at various times when the victim was
    between the ages of three and seven, she lived with her maternal grandparents. During
    much of that time, the victim was in the legal custody of DFACS and in the physical
    1
    The only criticism of the trial court’s treatment of the DFACS records that
    McNeil voices on appeal is the trial court’s failure to provide the parties with copies
    of those records after the in camera review. He does not enumerate that failure as
    error.
    2
    Consequently, we also cannot consider McNeil’s allegation of ineffective
    assistance of trial counsel premised upon information contained in those records.
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    custody of either her grandparents or various foster parents. Many other members of
    the victim’s extended family also lived in the grandparents’ household at various
    times while the victim was there, including McNeil, who was the victim’s uncle.
    McNeil preyed upon children at the grandparent’s home, which seemingly had
    a rotating door of children of various ages, with minimal adult supervision. The
    victim stated that McNeil began sexually abusing her before she reached the age of
    five, and did so on a regular and consistent basis.
    Multiple witnesses testified that beginning when she was three or four years
    old, the victim would regularly “hump” and “grind” her vagina against her hands,
    stuffed animals, furniture of all kinds, and various men as she would actively seek to
    sit in their laps. At age four, the victim was referred to a private psychologist by a
    DFACS caseworker for exhibiting extreme behaviors consistent with childhood
    trauma and anxiety, including constant bed wetting, aggression, defiance, and anger.
    The victim described that the abuse always took place at night, and McNeil
    threatened to hurt her if she told anyone about it.
    In early September 2012, when the victim was seven years old, her
    grandparents surrendered physical custody of her to DFCAS. A few days later,
    another member of the household, the victim’s sixteen-year-old cousin, disclosed that
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    McNeil had sexually abused her in the grandparent’s home. The cousin stated that the
    abuse began when she was five years old, continued “all the time” until she was 13-
    years-old, and always occurred at night when McNeil snuck into her bed. She also
    testified that McNeil threatened to hurt her if she told anyone. She claimed to be so
    scared of McNeil that she placed barriers in front of her bedroom door or “hop[ped]
    beds” to sleep with others, and that she finally disclosed the abuse after she began
    throwing up in her sister’s bed out of fear of McNeil’s impending arrival. The
    cousin’s outcry was met with anger on the part of the victim’s grandfather, who
    expressly stated that he did not believe the cousin, and it resulted in the cousin being
    returned to a group home upon the grandfather’s insistence.
    The cousin’s disclosure was prompted by yet another incident in which McNeil
    had sexually molested a child at the grandparent’s house. That child, a friend of the
    cousin, lived nearby and had sexual intercourse with McNeil when she was 14-years-
    old.
    In 2012, the victim was subjected to a forensic interview associated with the
    cousin’s disclosure. During that interview, she expressly denied that McNeil had
    inappropriately touched her.
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    By mid-2013, the victim was living with foster parents who adopted her the
    following year. In 2014, before her adoption was finalized, the victim had an
    emotional outburst during a Sunday school lesson on lying and keeping secrets. The
    outburst was atypical for the victim.
    In May 2014, on the day she received her new birth certificate reflecting her
    adoption, the victim disclosed to her adoptive mother that McNeil had sexually
    abused her. She said that was why she had been upset during Sunday school. The
    victim told her adoptive mother, “he hurt me,” and provided specific details about the
    abuse. The victim said that McNeil had threatened to hurt her if she told anyone. She
    further explained that she had not said anything earlier because, before she received
    her new birth certificate, she had been afraid she would have to return to her
    grandparents’ house.
    The next day the victim repeated that disclosure to her private psychologist,
    whom she had continued to see periodically since being referred by DFACS several
    years prior. The psychologist testified that the victim appeared relieved after making
    the disclosure, and opined that the timing of the outcry was “critical” in that the
    victim had a sense of safety and security with her new family.
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    The victim’s adoptive mother reported the disclosure to law enforcement, and
    later in May 2014, the victim gave a second forensic interview with the same person
    who had interviewed her in 2012. In the second interview, the victim again repeated
    her disclosure. She stated that McNeil touched her genitals with his hands and penis,
    inserted his finger and penis into her vagina, and inserted his penis into her anus. He
    also made the victim touch his penis and anus. She also stated that she had been
    scared to disclose the abuse during her earlier interview in 2012 because she was
    afraid of McNeil.
    Based on the victim’s statements in the 2014 forensic interview, McNeil was
    arrested. After that disclosure, the victim’s bed wetting stopped, her physical acting-
    out diminished, and her academic performance improved.
    McNeil asserts that this evidence does not support his convictions, but he
    offers no meaningful argument for why the evidence was insufficient. We find that
    the evidence authorized the jury to find that McNeil was guilty of the crimes of which
    he was accused. See OCGA § 16-6-1 (a) (2) (“A person commits the offense of rape
    when he has carnal knowledge of . . . [a] female who is less than ten years of age.
    Carnal knowledge in rape occurs when there is any penetration of the female sex
    organ by the male sex organ.”); OCGA § 16-6-4 (a) (1) (“A person commits the
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    offense of child molestation when such person . . . [d]oes any immoral or indecent act
    to or in the presence of or with any child under the age of 16 years with the intent to
    arouse or satisfy the sexual desires of either the child or the person[.]”); OCGA § 16-
    6-22 (a) (6) (“A person commits the offense of incest when such person engages in
    sexual intercourse or sodomy . . . with a person whom he or she knows he or she is
    related to either by blood or by marriage as follows: . . . Uncle and niece or nephew
    of the whole blood or the half blood.”); OCGA § 16-6-22.2 (b) (“A person commits
    the offense of aggravated sexual battery when he or she intentionally penetrates with
    a foreign object the sexual organ or anus of another person without the consent of that
    person.”).
    3. Ineffective assistance of trial counsel.
    McNeil argues that he received ineffective assistance of trial counsel in several
    respects. Specifically, he argues that his trial counsel was ineffective for failing to
    secure an expert witness to challenge the reliability of the victim’s disclosure that
    McNeil had sexually abused her; present evidence of the victim’s allegedly false prior
    allegations of abuse; object to bolstering testimony by the lead investigator; and
    object to speculative testimony by the State’s expert witness.
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    To prevail on his ineffective assistance of counsel claim, McNeil “must show
    both that his counsel’s performance was deficient and that the deficient performance
    so prejudiced him that, but for the deficiency, there is a reasonable probability that
    the outcome of the trial would have been different.” Hagan v. State, 
    353 Ga. App. 534
    , 536 (3) (839 SE2d 1) (2020) (citation and punctuation omitted); see Jones v.
    State, 
    359 Ga. App. 688
    , 691 (2) (859 SE2d 845) (2021) (“A reasonable probability
    is a probability sufficient to undermine confidence in the outcome.”) (citation and
    punctuation omitted.) This is a difficult test to meet, and “[s]imply because a
    defendant has shown that his trial counsel performed deficiently does not lead to an
    automatic conclusion that he was prejudiced by counsel’s deficient performance.”
    (Citation and punctuation omitted.) Snipes v. State, 
    309 Ga. 785
    , 790 (3) (848 SE2d
    417) (2020). Snipes, 309 Ga. at 790 (3). The failure to satisfy either prong of the test
    is fatal to a claim of ineffective assistance, and it is not incumbent on this Court to
    consider the other prong. See id. In our review of the trial court’s ruling, “we accept
    the trial court’s factual findings and credibility determinations unless clearly
    erroneous, but we independently apply the legal principles to the facts.” (Citation and
    punctuation omitted.) Wright v. State, 
    291 Ga. 869
    , 870 (2) (734 SE2d 876) (2012).
    We will address each of McNeil’s arguments in turn.
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    (a) McNeil claims that his trial counsel was ineffective for failing to hire an
    expert witness in order to challenge the reliability of the victim’s 2014 disclosure that
    he had sexually abused her. At the motion for new trial hearing, he presented expert
    testimony that there were flaws in the 2014 forensic interview in which the victim
    disclosed the abuse, particularly in light of the victim’s earlier denial. The expert
    opined that the interviewer asked certain questions and engaged in certain behaviors
    that could have improperly cued the victim to make false allegations, and that certain
    statements made by the victim may have suggested coaching by her adoptive mother.
    We need not consider whether trial counsel was deficient for failing to present
    expert testimony because even if we presume that counsel was deficient on that front,
    McNeil has not met his burden of proving that, but for that deficiency, there is a
    reasonable probability the outcome of his trial would have been different. See Jones,
    359 Ga. App. at 691 (2).
    When making this assessment, we must “measure the evidence that should have
    been—but was not—presented to the jury against the totality of the evidence that was
    presented.” (Citation and punctuation omitted.) Woods v. State, 
    312 Ga. 405
     (III) (1)
    (862 SE2d 526) (2021). “This requires us to consider the strength of the allegedly
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    omitted evidence, its importance in the context of the trial, and the relative strength
    of the totality of the evidence.” (Citation and punctuation omitted.) 
    Id.
    At the motion for new trial hearing, McNeil’s expert pointed to certain
    behaviors by the forensic interviewer that he opined could have improperly cued the
    victim into making false allegations. But such testimony at trial would have in no way
    undermined the admissible evidence of the victim’s spontaneous statements in which
    she described McNeil’s abuse to her adoptive mother and her psychologist, both of
    which were made before the allegedly flawed interview took place.
    The expert also opined that certain words used by the victim in the forensic
    interview suggest that she may have been influenced or coached by her adoptive
    mother. But again, the victim’s allegations of abuse were corroborated by other
    admissible evidence, including the behaviors she exhibited that were consistent with
    childhood trauma and abuse, e.g., bed wetting, anger, aggression, and “grinding.” The
    commencement of those behaviors was consistent with the victim’s recollection of
    when the abuse began, and the fact that the behaviors all but stopped upon the
    victim’s disclosure is further substantiating evidence. The timing of her 2014
    disclosure was explained by both the victim herself and the circumstances of her
    adoption. Moreover, the evidence presented by the other acts witnesses, particularly
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    that of the victim’s cousin who experienced abuse that was strikingly similar to that
    of the victim, was strongly corroborative not just of the victim’s allegations, but also
    of McNeil’s identity as the perpetrator.
    Balancing the relative weight of the evidence, we conclude that when
    compared to the totality of the evidence presented at trial—including the victim’s
    spontaneous statements to her adoptive mother and her psychologist, her anger and
    sexualized behaviors consistent with childhood trauma and the timing of those
    behaviors, the timing of the victim’s disclosure, and the notably similar other acts
    evidence that points to McNeil as the perpetrator—the strength of the omitted
    expert’s testimony and its importance in the trial is relatively weak. We simply
    disagree with the dissent as to the degree to which the expert’s testimony would have
    undermined the admissible trial evidence.
    In sum, given the strong evidence in support of McNeil’s guilt, it is not
    reasonably probable that the outcome of the trial would have been different but for
    his counsel’s failure to present the expert testimony. See Hood v. State, 
    308 Ga. 784
    ,
    786-790 (2) (843 SE2d 555) (2020); Kirkland v. State, 
    334 Ga. App. 26
    , 36-37 (5) (c)
    (778 SE2d 42) (2015); see also Robinson v. State, 
    277 Ga. 75
    , 77 (2) (586 SE2d 313)
    (2003).
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    (b) McNeil contends that his trial counsel rendered ineffective assistance
    because he failed to call the victim’s minor brother as a trial witness. The brother was
    approximately a year older than the victim, and the victim told both her adoptive
    mother and her psychologist that he had also “messed with her” sexually. The victim
    stated during her 2014 forensic interview that her brother, who was nine at that time,
    began touching her sometime after McNeil’s abuse had begun.
    During the motion for new trial hearing, the victim’s brother denied having
    touched his sister inappropriately. McNeil contends that his trial counsel should have
    called the brother as a trial witness and presented his testimony as evidence that the
    victim had allegedly made prior false allegations of abuse.
    McNeil’s counsel was not asked and did not testify as to his reasons for
    declining to call the victim’s minor brother during the motion for new trial hearing.
    “[I]n the absence of such testimony, we must presume that his counsel acted
    strategically.” (Citation and punctuation omitted.) King v. State, 
    320 Ga. App. 90
    , 97
    (4) (c) (ii) (739 SE2d 654) (2013).
    Moreover, the victim’s adoptive mother and her psychologist both testified
    about the victim’s disclosure that her brother had touched her inappropriately, and the
    jury watched the victim’s 2014 forensic interview in which she discussed it. Before
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    evidence of an allegedly false prior allegation can be admitted, “the trial court must
    make a threshold determination outside the presence of the jury that a reasonable
    probability of falsity exists.”Smith v. State, 
    259 Ga. 135
    , 137 (377 SE2d 158) (1989),
    overruled in part by State v. Burns, 
    306 Ga. 117
     (829 SE2d 367) (2019).3 As set forth
    by the trial court, “[a] court would likely not find a reasonable probability of falsity
    based merely upon what the Defendant has presented—that [the brother] denies the
    accusation.” See Williams v. State, 
    266 Ga. App. 578
    , 580 (1) (597 SE2d 621) (2004)
    (“Of course, the fact that an accused states that the accusation against him is false is
    hardly evidence sufficient to raise a reasonable probability of falsity.”) (citation and
    punctuation omitted). Consequently, McNeil cannot show that he was prejudiced by
    trial counsel’s failure to pursue a futile attempt to call the victim’s brother as a
    witness. See Burger v. State, 
    323 Ga. App. 787
    , 789 (1) (748 SE2d 462) (2013).
    (c) McNeil asserts his trial counsel was ineffective because he failed to object
    to improper bolstering and/or speculative testimony from the State’s witnesses.
    3
    There is dissension in this Court as to the impact that the Supreme Court’s
    decision in Burns had on the trial court’s extra-statutory threshold procedural of
    finding a reasonable probability of falsity. See Vallejo v. State, __ Ga. App. __ (865
    SE2d 640) (2021). This case was tried prior to Burns; regardless, post-Vallejo, the
    threshold requirement that the trial court first find a reasonable probability of falsity
    remains intact unless or until the Supreme Court says otherwise. See 
    id.
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    McNeil’s trial counsel testified at the motion for new trial hearing that his failure to
    object to the testimony was not trial strategy.
    (i) The lead detective, who observed both of the victim’s forensic interviews
    but participated in neither, was questioned about his observations of the victim’s
    demeanor during her first forensic interview. After describing that the victim became
    reserved and quiet when being questioned about the alleged abuse, the detective was
    asked what her demeanor indicated to him. The detective responded that, based upon
    his training and experience, he “felt like [the victim] was being deceptive about the
    sexual abuse that had occurred.”4
    It is well established that “[a] witness’s credibility may not be bolstered by the
    opinion of another, even an expert, as to whether the witness is telling the truth.
    Credibility of a witness is a matter solely within the province of the jury.” (Citation
    and punctuation omitted.) Zerbarini v. State, 
    359 Ga. App. 153
    , 163 (2) (855 SE2d
    87) (2021); see OCGA § 24-6-620.
    As held by the trial court, the challenged testimony amounted to an improper
    comment on the victim’s credibility and was objectionable. See OCGA§ 24-6-620;
    4
    Although McNeil quotes additional trial testimony in his appellate brief, his
    corresponding argument pertains only to the language quoted above.
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    Al-Attawy v. State, 
    289 Ga. App. 570
    , 572-573 (1) (657 SE2d 552) (2008). By stating
    that he did not find the victim credible when she denied abuse by McNeil during the
    first forensic interview, the detective bolstered her later allegations of abuse during
    the second interview.
    Nevertheless, McNeil has not shown that he was prejudiced by counsel’s
    failure to object to the testimony. See Zerbarini, 359 Ga. App. at 163 (3) (recognizing
    that the effect of improper bolstering should be considered in the context of the
    totality of the evidence presented against a criminal defendant). Both of the victim’s
    forensic interviews were played for the jury, and there was corroborating evidence
    supporting the victim’s claims. Thus, “the State presented other evidence from which
    the jury could assess [the victim’s] credibility,” minimizing any prejudicial effect of
    [the witness’s] . . . bolstering.” Zerbarini, 359 Ga. App. at 164 (3) (a).
    Moreover, the jurors were instructed that they alone must determine the
    credibility of the witnesses and that they were not required to accept the testimony of
    any witness, expert or otherwise. They were also charged that their “assessment of a
    trial witness’s credibility may be affected by comparing or contrasting that testimony
    to statements or testimony of that same witness before the trial started,” and it was for
    them “to decide whether there is a reasonable explanation for any inconsistency in a
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    witness’s . . . statements.” Finally, the trial court instructed that, “[a]s with all issues
    of witness credibility, you, the jury, must apply your common sense and reason to
    decide which testimony you believe and which testimony you will not believe.” Thus,
    no reasonable possibility exists that the detective’s bolstering statement affected the
    outcome of the trial. See Al-Attawy, 289 Ga. App. at 573 (1); see also Chavez v. State,
    
    329 Ga. App. 207
    , 210 (1) (764 SE2d 447) (2014).
    (ii) Later in the trial, the victim’s psychologist testified that it was not
    uncommon, based on her experience as a psychologist and therapist, for victims of
    sex abuse to have more than one perpetrator. When asked to explain the reason for
    that, she responded:
    Well, I think there are several possibilities. I wonder in this case if [the
    victim’s brother] had observed [McNeil] abusing [the victim] or knew
    of that somehow and felt that, oh, okay, I can do it, too. I don’t know. I
    haven’t talked with him. . . . I haven’t had an opportunity to explore the
    reason for that, but . . . I have also wondered if he might himself have
    been abused. Because every child abuser that I’ve had experience with
    has been a victim before they became a perpetrator.
    We agree that the challenged testimony was speculative and objectionable. See
    Mitchell v. State, 
    355 Ga. App. 7
    , 11 (2) (842 SE2d 322) (2020) (“Although an expert
    may testify to [her] opinion, when the basis of [her] opinion is given and it appears
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    that it is wholly speculative or conjectural, it must follow that [her] opinion is without
    foundation and has no probative value.”) (citation and punctuation omitted).
    But again, McNeil was not prejudiced by his counsel’s failure to object to the
    testimony. The witness herself acknowledged the speculative nature of her testimony
    as she said it, explicitly noting that she was not aware of whether the brother had
    observed McNeil abusing the victim, that she had not spoken to the brother, and that
    she had not had the opportunity to explore whether he himself might have been
    abused. Thus, McNeil has not met his burden of proving that he was prejudiced by
    his counsel’s failure to object to the challenged testimony. See Percell v. State, 
    346 Ga. App. 219
    , 226 (4) (c) (ii) (816 SE2d 344) (2018).
    (d) Lastly, we consider the cumulative effect of prejudice resulting from any
    assumed deficiencies in counsel’s performance. See Schofield v. Holsey, 
    281 Ga. 809
    ,
    811 (II) n.1 (642 SE2d 56) (2007), overruled on other grounds by State v. Lane, 
    308 Ga. 10
    , 17 (1) (838 SE2d 808) (2020) (“[I]t is the prejudice arising from counsel’s
    errors that is constitutionally relevant, not that each individual error by counsel
    should be considered in a vacuum.”) (citation and punctuation omitted), Here, in light
    of the other evidence of McNeil’s guilt, “the cumulative prejudice from any assumed
    deficiencies discussed in [Division 3] is insufficient to show a reasonable probability
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    that the results of the proceedings would have been different in the absence of the
    alleged deficiencies.” (Citation and punctuation omitted.) Mitchell v. State, 
    308 Ga. 1
    , 9 (2) (f) (838 SE2d 820) (2020); see also Thomas v. State, 
    311 Ga. 706
    , 719 (3) (d)
    (859 SE2d 14) (2021). It follows that the trial court did not err by denying McNeil’s
    motion for new trial.
    Judgment affirmed. Miller, P. J., Doyle, P. J., Dillard, P. J., and Mercier,
    Reese, Brown, Gobeil, Markle, Hodges, Pipkin and Pinson, JJ. concur. McFadden,
    P. J., concurs fully in Divisions 1 and 2, and dissents in Division 3. Senior Appellate
    Judge Herbert E. Phipps concurs fully in Divisions 1 and 2, and dissents in Division
    3 in a separate writing. Barnes, P. J. concurs fully in Divisions 1 and 2, and joins
    with both McFadden, P. J., and Senior Appellate Judge Herbert E. Phipps in their
    dissents.
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    In the Court of Appeals of Georgia
    A21A1769. MCNEIL v. THE STATE.
    MCFADDEN, Presiding Judge, concurring in part and dissenting in part.
    I would hold that McNeil received ineffective assistance of counsel. Trial
    counsel failed to secure an expert witness on forensic interviews. Appellate counsel
    did secure such a witness, and that witness testified at the new-trial hearing and
    challenged not only the forensic interview in which McNeil’s niece, J. D., described
    being molested, but also her initial outcry, and the opinion testimony elicited by the
    prosecution to explain away J. D.’s exculpatory response in an earlier interview. In
    other words he challenged all of the prosecution evidence that bears directly on the
    crimes for which McNeil has been convicted. So we must “measure the evidence
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    [introduced at the new-trial hearing] against the totality of the evidence that was
    presented.” Woods v. State, 
    312 Ga. 405
    , 411 (3) (a) (862 SE2d 526) (2021) (citation
    and punctuation omitted). The majority does not perform the analysis required under
    Woods, and to the limited extent it undertakes to do so, it misstates the facts.
    So I would reverse the denial of McNeil’s motion for new trial and dissent from
    Division 3 of the majority opinion. I agree that the evidence was sufficient, so I
    concur in Division 2. I also concur in Division 1, regarding the scope of the appellate
    record.
    To demonstrate ineffective assistance of counsel, an appellant must make two
    showings: deficient performance and prejudice.
    Under the familiar test of Strickland v. Washington, [
    466 U.S. 668
    , 678 (III) (104 SCt 2052, 80 LE2d 674) (1984)], to prevail on a
    claim of ineffective assistance of counsel, the party asserting the claim
    must demonstrate both deficient performance of counsel and prejudice
    as a result of it. . . . [T]he showing of prejudice calls for a demonstration
    that a reasonable probability exists that, but for [trial] counsel’s deficient
    performance, the outcome of the appeal would have been different.
    Gramiak v. Beasley, 
    304 Ga. 512
    , 513 (I) (820 SE2d 50) (2018). That is a high bar.
    But McNeil has made those showings.
    1. Deficient performance.
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    It is true that “[t]he selection of an expert witness is a ‘paradigmatic example’
    of the type of strategic choice that, when made after thorough investigation of the law
    and facts, is ‘virtually unchallengeable.’” Davis v. State, 
    342 Ga. App. 889
    , 896 (2)
    (806 SE2d 3) (2017) (citation omitted; emphasis supplied). Generally, whether to
    present expert opinion testimony, including testimony about how forensic interviews
    should be conducted, “is a matter of trial strategy which, if reasonable, cannot be the
    basis for a successful ineffective assistance of counsel claim.” Brown v. State, 
    292 Ga. 454
    , 457 (2) (738 SE2d 591) (2013) (citation omitted). See also Lawton v. State,
    
    340 Ga. App. 903
    , 904 (2) (798 SE2d 264) (2017); Towry v. State, 
    304 Ga. App. 139
    ,
    147 (2) (f) (695 SE2d 683) (2010).
    Nevertheless, “expert testimony offered by the defense may be necessary in
    some circumstances to adequately challenge the [s]tate’s experts.” Tezeno v. State,
    
    343 Ga. App. 623
    , 633 (2) (b) (808 SE2d 64) (2017). The standard we must apply in
    determining whether trial counsel’s decision not to present expert testimony was
    reasonable strategy is set out in Strickland v. Washington itself and has been
    reaffirmed many times since.
    [S]trategic choices made after thorough investigation of law and facts
    relevant to plausible options are virtually unchallengeable; and strategic
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    choices made after less than complete investigation are reasonable
    precisely to the extent that reasonable professional judgments support
    the limitations on investigation. In other words, counsel has a duty to
    make reasonable investigations or to make a reasonable decision that
    makes particular investigations unnecessary. In any ineffectiveness case,
    a particular decision not to investigate must be directly assessed for
    reasonableness in all the circumstances, applying a heavy measure of
    deference to counsel’s judgments.
    Strickland, 
    466 U.S. at 690-691
     (III) (A) (emphasis supplied). See also, e.g., Poole
    v. State, 
    291 Ga. 848
    , 858 (8) (734 SE2d 1) (2012); Martin v. Barrett, 
    279 Ga. 593
    ,
    593-594 (619 SE2d 656) (2005); Douglas v. State, 
    327 Ga. App. 792
    , 795 (2) (a) (761
    SE2d 180) (2014).
    We held that such testimony had been necessary in Goldstein v. State, 
    283 Ga. App. 1
    , 6-9 (3) (b) (640 SE2d 599) (2006). There trial counsel provided ineffective
    assistance, we held, by failing to present expert testimony to challenge opinions of
    the state’s expert witnesses in a child molestation case. In support of his ineffective
    assistance claim, the defendant in Goldstein presented deposition testimony from an
    expert witness rebutting medical opinions given by the state’s experts. See id. at 7-8
    (3) (b). We held that trial counsel’s failure to investigate the issues raised by the
    state’s experts and to “seek and present expert testimony to rebut that presented by
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    the [s]tate was a crucial omission.” Id. at 8-9 (3) (b). We noted that, “[b]ecause trial
    counsel did not call a single expert witness to testify for the defense, the opinions
    expressed by the [s]tate’s expert witnesses went completely unchallenged except by
    cross-examination.” Id. at 6 (3) (b). And we found that, “[f]or no strategic reason, the
    jury was left with the impression that the opinions of the [s]tate’s expert witnesses
    were unassailable.” Id. at 8 (3) (b).
    (a) Proffered testimony of defense expert.
    At trial, the state presented opinion testimony from several witnesses. Trial
    counsel presented no expert testimony. As in Goldstein, McNeil supported his motion
    for new trial with expert testimony that could have been introduced at trial.
    Much of the state’s expert testimony at trial was focused on whether the jury
    should believe J. D.’s exculpatory 2012 interview or her inculpatory 2014 interview.
    J. D. had been asked in a 2012 forensic interview if McNeil had sexually molested
    her. She replied that he had not. But in a 2014 outcry and subsequent forensic
    interview she reported that he had molested her and had been doing so well before
    2012.
    The state’s forensic interviewer provided expert testimony on forensic
    interviewing, evaluation of victims of sexual abuse, delayed disclosures, and the
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    dynamics of child sexual abuse. She opined at some length on the reasons why a child
    like J. D. might initially fail to disclose abuse. The forensic interviewer also opined
    that J. D.’s statements in the 2014 interview concerning her failure to disclose the
    abuse earlier and her behavior in that interview were consistent with her having been
    abused, and she opined that there was no indication in the 2014 interview that J. D.
    had been “coached.”
    J. D.’s treating psychologist also testified as an expert witness for the
    prosecution in matters including child sexual abuse. She also opined about the
    reasons for J. D.’s delayed disclosure.
    And the investigating detective, who had watched both of J. D.’s forensic
    interviews, opined, based on his training and experience, that in the 2012 interview
    J. D. “was being deceptive about the sexual abuse that had occurred.” The majority
    correctly holds, in Division 3 (c) (ii), that this testimony was objectionable.
    As in Goldstein, “[b]ecause trial counsel did not call a single expert witness to
    testify for the defense, the opinions expressed by the [s]tate’s expert witnesses went
    completely unchallenged except by cross-examination,” 283 Ga. App. at 6 (3) (b), and
    “[f]or no strategic reason, the jury was left with the impression that the opinions of
    the [s]tate’s expert witnesses were unassailable.” Id. at 8 (3) (b).
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    Worse, McNeil’s trial counsel did not meaningfully cross-examine any of these
    witnesses about whether J. D.’s 2014 disclosure should be believed over her 2012
    denial. He did not cross-examine J. D.’s treating psychologist at all.
    But at the hearing on his motion for new trial, McNeil’s appellate counsel
    demonstrated that there was a great deal that could have been done to meaningfully
    challenge those experts. She “proffered . . . expert testimony [on forensic
    interviewing] and demonstrated that the testimony would have been relevant to the
    issues, favorable to [him], and otherwise admissible.” Puckett v. State, 
    342 Ga. App. 518
    , 527 (2) (804 SE2d 648) (2017). The defense expert witness opined that there
    were serious flaws in the inculpatory 2014 forensic interview — particularly in light
    of J. D.’s earlier denial — and that there are reasons to be skeptical of J. D.’s outcry.
    He challenged opinions of the state’s experts regarding the process of disclosure.
    The expert witness testified that J. D.’s denial of abuse in the 2012 interview
    was significant. He did acknowledge that “the science shows that many children do
    not just spontaneously disclose sexual abuse. That they don’t talk about it. And so
    nondisclosure, just not talking about it, is not uncommon. In fact, it’s pretty darn
    common.” On the other hand, he explained, “it’s a different situation when a child is
    specifically asked about being sexually molested, and if they have been molested that
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    can often be the trigger or a trigger for them to disclose that molestation. So it’s a
    different thing to deny being molested than simply not to disclose it[.]”
    And he noted that, at that time, J. D. was living in foster care rather than the
    grandparents’ house and would have felt “safe” to disclose the abuse.
    And J. D. had spoken in an “affectionate tone” about McNeil during the 2012
    interview and had indicated that she liked being baby sat by him. The expert witness
    found those “very positive reactions to him being mentioned” significant, even
    though “some victims are positive in response to their perpetrator,” because here
    “[t]he eventual allegation was very dramatic [and alleged] a lot of physical harm.”
    And he deemed it significant that the 2012 forensic interview was the third
    time J.D. had denied abuse by McNeil.
    On the other hand, the defense expert testified to several significant problems
    with the inculpatory 2014 interview. “[I]t is important for the interviewer to be
    supportive of the child especially if there’s an outcry.” But “interviewers should be
    absolutely neutral.” The interviewer had asked leading questions and engaged in
    behaviors that, he explained, could have improperly cued J. D. to make a false
    allegation. Many of the specific details in J.D.’s forensic interview were “in response
    to the interviewer bringing up the topics.” She had steered J. D. back to talking about
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    McNeil when J. D. had started to talk about being abused by her brother. The
    interviewer had proposed answers to J. D. when she was unsure, such as suggesting
    “every night” when J. D. said did not know how many times McNeil had touched her.
    She had used anatomical pictures, which the defense expert criticized as leading. And
    she had nodded “yes” while asking J.D. if anyone had touched her.
    Both the interviewer and J. D.’s adoptive mother had praised J. D. for
    disclosing. The interviewer did so several times during the 2014 interview, including
    immediately before J. D. began to describe the abuse. The defense expert explained
    that the act of praising a child’s disclosure could affect the validity of the disclosure
    and that the adoptive mother’s praise could have reinforced a belief that abuse had
    occurred — even if it had not.
    The defense expert witness also opined that aspects of J. D.’s behavior during
    the 2014 interview cast doubt on the reliability of her disclosure. Certain aspects
    suggested J. D. had been coached or influenced. J. D. had referred to McNeil by his
    first name rather than the nickname that she had used for him during her first forensic
    interview; and J. D. had repeated her adoptive mother’s beliefs about the reasons
    McNeil had abused her.
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    In addition, the expert witness pointed to instances in which J. D. seemed to
    parrot back the interviewer’s language, which he opined was the result of
    inappropriate interviewing techniques. He also pointed to substantive aspects of J.
    D.’s disclosure that, in his opinion, were inconsistent with the abuse she had
    described, such as J. D.’s statement that she felt no pain from the abuse, even though
    it made her bleed, and J. D.’s statement that McNeil’s penis did not change when it
    was touched.
    The expert witness expressed concern about J. D.’s memory of the 2012
    interview. J. D. had been asked during her exculpatory 2012 interview if McNeil had
    touched her. During her 2014 interview, however, she denied having ever been asked
    that question. But she remembered other details of that 2012 interview.
    The state thoroughly cross-examined the defense expert and elicited his
    agreement to several points. But the state made no effort to show that his testimony
    was not credible or that it should be wholly disregarded. And the trial court’s order
    denying the motion for new trial makes no finding as to the defense expert’s
    credibility.
    (b) Wide recognition of the importance of defense testimony about the
    suggestibility of child testimony.
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    And indeed many courts, including the United States Supreme Court and our
    Supreme Court, have long recognized the validity of the defense expert’s fundamental
    concern: child witnesses are suggestible, and improper interviewing techniques can
    damage the reliability of a child’s statements or testimony.
    The United States Supreme Court has explained that suggestive interview
    techniques can render child witness statements unreliable. Idaho v. Wright, 
    297 U. S. 805
    , 826 (III) (110 SCt 3139, 111 LEd2d 638) (1990). See also Kennedy v. Louisiana,
    
    554 U.S. 407
    , 443-444 (IV) (B) (128 SCt 2641, 171 LEd2d 525) (2008) (“Studies
    conclude that children are highly susceptible to suggestive questioning techniques
    like repetition, guided imagery, and selective reinforcement. See Ceci & Friedman,
    The Suggestibility of Children: Scientific Research and Legal Implications, 86
    Cornell L.Rev. 33, 47 (2000) (there is ‘strong evidence that children, especially
    young children, are suggestible to a significant degree — even on abuse-related
    questions’); Gross, Jacoby, Matheson, Montgomery, & Patil, Exonerations in the
    United States 1989 Through 2003, 95 J.Crim. L. & C. 523, 539 (2005) (discussing
    allegations of abuse at the Little Rascals Day Care Center); see also Quas, Davis,
    Goodman, & Myers, Repeated Questions, Deception, and Children’s True and False
    Reports of Body Touch, 12 Child Maltreatment 60, 61-66 (2007) (finding that 4- to
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    7-year-olds ‘were able to maintain (a) lie about body touch fairly effectively when
    asked repeated, direct questions during a mock forensic interview’)”).
    The New Jersey Supreme Court has recognized a “consensus . . . within the
    academic, professional, and law enforcement communities, confirmed in varying
    degrees by courts, to warrant the conclusion that the use of coercive or highly
    suggestive interrogation techniques can create a significant risk that the interrogation
    itself will distort the child’s recollection of events, thereby undermining the reliability
    of the statements . . . concerning such events.” State v. Michaels, 642 A2d 1372, 1379
    (II) (A) (N. J. 1994).
    Other decisions from various federal and state courts acknowledging the
    problem of a child witness’s susceptibility to suggestive interviewing techniques are
    compiled in Washington v. Schriver, 255 F3d 45, 57 (B) (3) (2d Cir. 2001).
    Child sexual abuse cases present heightened concerns about a child victim’s
    susceptibility to suggestive questioning techniques “because the central narrative and
    account of the crime often comes from the child herself. She and the accused are, in
    most instances, the only ones present when the crime was committed.” Kennedy v.
    Louisiana, 
    supra,
     
    554 U. S. at 444
     (IV) (B). So it is in the case before us. While cross-
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    examining the defense expert, the state elicited his agreement that there are usually
    no witnesses and often no physical injuries in child sexual abuse cases.
    Our Supreme Court has held that an expert witness’s opinion on the reliability
    of a child witness’s statements in a molestation case “involves an area of expertise
    beyond the ken of the average layman[.]” Barlow v. State, 
    270 Ga. 54
     (507 SE2d 416)
    (1998). That Court explained, testimony that a child victim was questioned
    inappropriately
    represents evidence only an expert could give on matters not within the
    knowledge of a juror. . . . Special interviewing processes are necessary
    to get information from child victims, who are often immature,
    inarticulate, frightened, and confused about the abuse they have
    received. Most jurors lack the knowledge of accepted practices in
    interviewing child victims[.]
    
    Id. at 54
     (citation and punctuation omitted). A defense witness’s expert testimony that
    an interviewer used inappropriate techniques — like the expert testimony that McNeil
    elicited at his new-trial hearing — is “a direct response to expert testimony offered
    by the state” on that issue. 
    Id. at 55
     (citations and punctuation omitted).
    (iii) Trial counsel’s failure to consult an expert witness was not a reasonable
    strategic choice.
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    In our review of the trial court’s ruling on McNeil’s ineffective assistance of
    trial counsel claim, “we accept the trial court’s factual findings and credibility
    determinations unless clearly erroneous, but we independently apply the legal
    principles to the facts.” Wright v. State, 
    291 Ga. 869
    , 870 (2) (734 SE2d 876) (2012)
    (citation and punctuation omitted).
    And in this case, we must apply the standard set out in Strickland v.
    Washington, that “strategic choices made after less than complete investigation are
    reasonable precisely to the extent that reasonable professional judgments support the
    limitations on investigation.” Strickland, 
    466 U. S. at 690-691
     (III) (A).
    By that standard, trial counsel’s failure to consult an expert was wholly
    unreasonable and entitled to no deference. He did not investigate the need for a
    forensic interviewing expert and offered no strategic justification for his failure to
    even consult one. To the contrary, he testified that he simply does not use forensic
    interviewing experts. In ten years as a public defender he has never asked for money
    for any expert or investigator. He had participated in a defense that employed a
    forensic expert only once — a privately retained case in which his co-counsel had
    wanted to use an expert. In fact he testified that his contacts at the Public Defender
    Standards Council “don’t like to pay me my out-of-pocket expenses for transcripts.”
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    Apart from his established practice of not advocating for his clients with the council,
    trial counsel’s only substantive justification for not consulting an expert in this case
    was a conversation with jurors after the case in which the expert had been used at the
    instance of his co-counsel — and in which the jury had acquitted. So we must
    conclude that in this case trial counsel did not undertake a careful determination of
    whether he needed an expert witness.
    And, as noted above, he did not engage in a thorough or sifting cross-
    examination of any of the state’s witnesses on the reliability of J. D.’s 2014
    disclosures in light of her 2012 denial, and he did not cross-examine either J. D. or
    her treating psychologist at all. Trial counsel did criticize the 2014 forensic interview
    in his closing argument, but “counsel’s statements in closing argument were not
    evidence, as Georgia law has long held. Indeed, the trial court so instructed the
    jury[.]” McKie v. State, 
    306 Ga. 111
    , 114 (829 SE2d 376) (2019) (citation omitted).
    So trial counsel’s closing argument did not provide the jury with evidence to counter
    testimony from the state’s expert witnesses on this issue. It follows that we must
    conclude that this is not a case in which trial counsel had explored the possibility of
    presenting expert testimony but ultimately made a reasonable decision not to do so.
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    It is true that, in many cases, we found the decision not to consult an expert to
    be part of a reasonable trial strategy. But in such cases, our decisions have followed
    Strickland and examined whether trial counsel’s strategy was reasonable and founded
    on reasonable investigation. For example, in Lawton v. State, 
    340 Ga. App. 903
    , 904
    (2) (798 SE2d 264) (2017), we did hold that trial counsel’s decision to attack a
    forensic interview through cross-examination rather than expert testimony was a
    reasonable strategy. But in Lawton trial counsel had engaged in a reasonable
    investigation.
    At the motion for new trial hearing, trial counsel testified that to
    determine whether he needed to hire an expert witness, he reviewed the
    video recordings and he had another lawyer review them independently
    to get another opinion. After reviewing the recordings, he and the other
    attorney determined that an expert was unnecessary. Counsel based his
    conclusion on his experience of trying these kinds of cases, his
    attendance at seminars on this topic, and his experience of having
    listened to such experts testify in other cases.
    Lawton, 340 Ga. App. at 904-905 (2).
    Similarly, in St. Germain v. State, 
    358 Ga. App. 163
    , 164 (1) (a) (853 SE2d
    394) (2021), trial counsel had decided against calling previously retained experts after
    concluding the experts might not make good trial witnesses; and we held that these
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    were reasonable, strategic decisions. In Williams v. State, 
    358 Ga. App. 152
    , 155-156
    (a) (853 SE2d 383) (2021), trial counsel had retained an expert in forensic
    interviewing but that expert had reached an opinion that “would not have discredited
    the interview”; and we held it was a reasonable, strategic decision for trial counsel not
    to call the expert as a trial witness. In Haynes v. State, 
    326 Ga. App. 336
    , 343-344 (3)
    (a) (756 SE2d 599) (2014), we found no deficient performance where trial counsel
    decided not to call an expert witness on interviewing techniques shortly after
    speaking with the expert, noting that “reasonable, competent trial counsel could have
    made the strategic decision not to call the expert based on what counsel learned in his
    interview of the expert. In O’Neal v. State, 
    304 Ga. App. 548
    , 551-552 (2) (a) (696
    SE2d 490) (2010), trial counsel decided against calling previously retained experts
    after concluding the experts might not make good trial witnesses; and we held that
    these were reasonable, strategic decisions. And in Towry v. State, 
    304 Ga. App. 139
    ,
    147 (2) (f) (695 SE2d 683) (2010), trial counsel, who “had handled more than a dozen
    felony child molestation cases, had training in forensic interviewing, and had himself
    conducted interviews of children in his former career as a police officer,” chose not
    to call an expert because he concluded from his own review of a recorded interview
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    that nothing in the interviewer’s technique “had been improper or had misled [the
    child victim] so as to warrant the presentation of an expert.”
    Instead, this is a case where trial counsel did not investigate such testimony.
    And McNeil’s appellate counsel has demonstrated that such testimony could have
    been of significant benefit to McNeil. We have found in some such cases that trial
    counsel rendered deficient performance. See, e. g., McLaughlin v. State, 
    338 Ga. App. 1
    , 11-14 (1) (b) (789 SE2d 247) (2016) (physical precedent) (trial counsel’s failure
    to act to obtain expert witness testimony on battered person syndrome was not
    strategic and amounted to deficient performance where trial counsel appreciated that
    such evidence would support the defendant’s sole defense of justification but did not
    further investigate it because he mistakenly believed that he could not seek to
    continue the trial while he procured such evidence); Darst v. State, 
    323 Ga. App. 614
    ,
    623 (2) (a) (ii) (746 SE2d 865) (2013) (physical precedent) (finding trial counsel was
    deficient in failing to consult with or hire an expert witness to testify that the two
    victims’ behavior was inconsistent with having been molested by the defendant,
    where trial counsel “admitted that he had not made a conscious strategic decision to
    do so [and that] the use of an expert witness at trial simply had not occurred to him”).
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    We must consider whether trial counsel’s performance was objectively
    unreasonable — whether “a reasonable lawyer might have done what the actual
    lawyer did[,] whether for the same reasons given by the actual lawyer or different
    reasons entirely.” Shaw v. State, 
    292 Ga. 871
    , 875 (3) (a) n. 7 (742 SE2d 707) (2013).
    Under the circumstances of this case there is no evidence of any reasonable strategy
    for not challenging J. D.’s disclosure with expert evidence. As in Goldstein, supra,
    
    283 Ga. App. 1
    , this is a case in which pivotal opinion testimony presented by the
    state — on whether to believe J. D.’s exculpatory 2012 statement or her inculpatory
    2014 statement — went essentially unchallenged. So the jury was left “with the
    impression that the opinions of [those] witnesses were unassailable[,]” id. at 8 (3) (b)
    — when they could have been meaningfully rebutted. So, as we held in Goldstein, we
    should hold in this case that there was no strategic reason for trial counsel’s failure
    to present expert testimony.
    2. Prejudice.
    “[T]o prove prejudice, [McNeil] must show that there is a reasonable
    probability that, but for counsel’s unprofessional errors, the result of the proceeding
    would have been different. A reasonable probability is a probability sufficient to
    undermine confidence in the outcome.” Woods, 312 Ga. at 410-411 (3) (a) (citation
    38
    and punctuation omitted). To make that determination we must “measure the evidence
    that should have been — but was not presented to the jury against the totality of the
    evidence that was presented. This requires us to consider the strength of the . . .
    omitted evidence, its importance in the context of the trial, and the relative strength
    of the totality of the evidence.” Id. at 411 (3) (a) (citation and punctuation omitted).
    see also Cartwright v. Caldwell, 
    305 Ga. 371
    , 379-381 (2) (b) (825 SE2d 168)
    (2019); Goldstein, 283 Ga. App. at 8-9 (3) (b).
    The majority fails to do what Woods requires. To the limited extent that the
    majority attempts to do so, it glosses over facts unfavorable to its position. And the
    majority elides the key point: the expert testimony that should have been presented
    would have challenged the credibility of all of the evidence derived from J. D.’s
    outcries and interview. Without the evidence so derived, the remaining evidence
    would have been insufficient to sustain McNeil’s convictions.
    And as detailed above, the defense expert would have undermined the evidence
    of J. D.’s outcry to her adoptive mother, which was immediately followed by her
    outcry to her psychologist. He pointed to indications in the 2014 interview that J. D.
    had been coached or influenced. He noted that J. D. had repeated her adoptive
    mother’s beliefs about the reasons McNeil had abused her. He opined that the
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    difference in the way J. D. had referred to McNeil in the 2012 and 2014 interviews
    “certainly could be a reflection of her current environment and the influences there.”
    And the doubts he raised about J. D.’s description of the abuse (the inconsistency
    between the violent abuse she described and her statement that it had not been
    physically painful and the improbability of her report that there had been no change
    his penis ) apply to the outcries to her adopted mother and psychologist as well as the
    forensic interview. In short, while the defense expert did not testify — and I would
    not hold — that J. D.’s spontaneous statements should be disregarded, there is a
    reasonable probability that his testimony would have created reasonable doubt about
    those statements.
    The majority’s prejudice analysis briefly acknowledges the defense expert’s
    testimony but then sets it aside, declaring that the “the strength of the omitted expert’s
    testimony and its importance in the trial was relatively weak.” . The bulk of the
    majority’s prejudice analysis simply sets out the state’s case, focusing on the gravity
    of the criminal conduct described and giving the state the benefit of every available
    inference.
    But the majority does not meaningfully consider whether the defense expert’s
    testimony could have rebutted those inferences or undermined that evidence. The
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    importance in the trial of that omitted evidence is illuminated by a key fact the
    majority fails to acknowledge. All of the evidence bearing directly on McNeil’s guilt
    or innocence of the crimes of which he was convicted is hearsay reporting what J. D.
    had said.
    As for the strength of the defense witness’s testimony. he was not, as noted
    above, meaningfully impeached. As a Ph.D., his credentials are superior to the
    prosecution experts’. His explanations were clear. He carefully avoided
    overstatement, and readily conceded points that were due to be conceded.
    “[M]easur[ing] the evidence that should have been — but was not — presented
    to the jury against the totality of the evidence that was presented,” Woods, 
    312 Ga. 411
     (3) (a), requires us to address the credibility of the defense expert’s testimony.
    As noted above, it was not impeached or discredited. And as detailed above, the
    principles and considerations he explained have been widely recognized for many
    years, including by our Supreme Court and the Supreme Court of the United States.
    Consequently there was a reasonable probability that a jury would credit that expert
    testimony and entertain a reasonable doubt about J. D.’s outcry and inculpatory
    responses.
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    The remaining evidence does corroborate the inculpatory evidence. Indeed it
    more than suggests that McNeil is guilty of one or more comparable offenses. But it
    would not be sufficient to sustain these convictions. The evidence that J. D. exhibited
    behaviors, particularly sexualized behaviors, suggestive of childhood trauma is some
    evidence that J. D. had suffered a trauma that is likely to have been molestation. But
    it is not evidence that McNeil was the perpetrator. The evidence that McNeil
    committed “another offense of child molestation . . . may be considered for its bearing
    on any matter to which it is relevant,” OCGA § 24-4-414 (a), but it is not in itself
    evidence that McNeil committed the crimes of which he was convicted. It follows that
    there is “a reasonable probability . . . that, but for [trial] counsel’s deficient
    performance, the outcome of the appeal would have been different.” Gramiak, 304
    Ga. at 513 (I).
    It is important to remember that the probative force of inculpatory evidence is
    distinct from the gravity of its content. As the majority opinion makes clear, the
    evidence before us is dismaying and the conduct described is reprehensible. But that
    is all the more reason to cut square corners. We are a court for the correction of
    errors, a processor of process, not a fact finder. We best serve the interest of justice
    when we assure that the process due has been followed.
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    There is a reasonable probability that an impartial jury would have credited the
    defense expert’s testimony and so concluded that there is reasonable doubt about the
    reliability of the inculpatory evidence. There is also a reasonable probability that the
    jury, possibly reassured by the corroborating evidence, would have chosen to believe
    the inculpatory evidence, notwithstanding the defense expert’s testimony. But that
    decision is for a jury.
    I am authorized to state that Presiding Judge Anne Elizabeth Barnes joins me in this
    dissent.
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    In the Court of Appeals of Georgia
    A21A1769. MCNEIL v. THE STATE.
    PHIPPS, Senior Appellate Judge, concurring in part and dissenting in part.
    I concur fully in Divisions 1 and 2 of the majority opinion. I agree with the
    majority’s analysis of the scope of the appellate record and the sufficiency of the
    evidence. However, I disagree with the majority’s conclusion that the defendant failed
    to demonstrate ineffective assistance of counsel. Therefore, I respectfully dissent
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    from Division 3 of the majority opinion and join fully in Presiding Judge McFadden’s
    opinion. Finally, I write separately to emphasize that the evidence here is not, as the
    majority concludes, so strong that McNeil cannot prove any alleged deficiency in his
    counsel’s performance prejudiced his defense.
    The State’s case rested primarily on the victim’s outcry and subsequent
    forensic interview. There was no physical evidence. In addition, the outcry occurred
    several years after the alleged molestation took place, the victim denied McNeil
    molested her in a prior forensic interview, and, as the majority acknowledges, the
    living quarters where the molestation allegedly occurred “had a rotating door of
    children of various ages, with minimal adult supervision” and plenty of access to the
    victim. Given that the State presented evidence from two other girls who testified
    McNeil had molested them, it was vitally important to McNeil’s defense that he
    discredit the victim’s outcry and 2014 forensic interview. This was especially
    important in this case because the State presented a forensic interview expert to
    explain why the jury should believe the victim’s inculpatory 2014 interview rather
    than her exculpatory 2012 interview, why the victim delayed her outcry, and other
    issues touching on the victim’s credibility. This evidence went unchallenged, and
    challenging the evidence likely could have influenced the outcome of the trial.
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    Without the evidence derived from the victim’s outcry and forensic interview,
    the remaining, entirely circumstantial evidence merely shows a victim with behavioral
    signs suggesting that she may have been molested, a defendant who had molested at
    least one other girl, and a chaotic household with numerous individuals who had
    access to the victim. That circumstantial evidence is not sufficient to prove McNeil
    committed the acts for which he was charged in this case. And it definitely is not
    strong or overwhelming evidence.
    Calling the evidence strong because the circumstantial evidence was
    corroborated by the victim’s outcry essentially ignores the fact that a defense expert
    would have called into question much (if not all) of the direct evidence, thereby
    leaving largely (if not only) the circumstantial evidence. And the circumstantial
    evidence, while deeply troubling, is a far cry from “strong.” Put another way, to the
    extent that the evidence (as a whole) was strong, it was so precisely because defense
    counsel failed to present expert testimony to rebut the core of the State’s evidence.
    I therefore disagree with the majority’s conclusion that “the strength of the omitted
    expert’s testimony and its importance in the trial is relatively weak” and the “strong
    evidence” of guilt outweighs this weak evidence.
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    I believe “there is a reasonable probability that, but for counsel’s [failure to
    secure a forensic interview expert to rebut the State’s expert], the result of the
    proceeding would have been different.” Strickland v. Washington, 
    466 U. S. 668
    , 694
    (III) (B) (104 SCt. 2052, 80 LE2d 674) (1984). Trial counsel “did not make the
    adversarial testing process work,” and “the omitted evidence in this case is of
    sufficient probative value to require a new trial.” Goldstein v. State, 
    283 Ga. App. 1
    ,
    9 (3) (b) (640 SE2d 599) (2006) (citations and punctuation omitted). I therefore
    would reverse the denial of McNeil’s motion for new trial on the basis that his trial
    counsel was ineffective.
    I am authorized to state that Presiding Judge Anne Elizabeth Barnes joins me in this
    dissent.
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