People v. Stechly ( 2007 )


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  •                         Docket No. 97544.
    IN THE
    SUPREME COURT
    OF
    THE STATE OF ILLINOIS
    THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS, Appellee, v.
    ROBERT STECHLY, Appellant.
    Opinion filed April 19, 2007.
    JUSTICE FREEMAN delivered the judgment of the court, with
    opinion.
    Justices Fitzgerald and Burke concurred in the judgment and
    opinion.
    Justice Kilbride concurred in part and dissented in part, with
    opinion.
    Chief Justice Thomas dissented, with opinion, joined by Justice
    Karmeier.
    Justice Garman dissented, with opinion.
    OPINION
    Following a stipulated bench trial in the circuit court of Cook
    County, defendant Robert Stechly was convicted of predatory
    criminal sexual assault of a child (720 ILCS 5/12–14.1(a)(1) (West
    1998)), criminal sexual assault (720 ILCS 5/12–13(a)(1), (a)(2) (West
    1998)), and aggravated criminal sexual abuse (720 ILCS
    5/12–16(c)(1)(i) (West 1998)). Defendant’s convictions arose from
    an incident in December 1998 involving M.M., the five-year-old
    daughter of defendant’s girlfriend. As a result of the convictions, the
    circuit court sentenced defendant to six years’ imprisonment.
    Defendant appealed, arguing that the circuit court erred in admitting
    the child’s statements pursuant to the hearsay exception for sexual
    abuse victims under the age of 13 (725 ILCS 5/115–10 (West 1998)),
    and in concluding that the child was unavailable to testify at trial. The
    appellate court affirmed (No. 1–01–2869 (unpublished order under
    Supreme Court Rule 23)), and defendant petitioned for leave to
    appeal to this court. Subsequently, the United States Supreme Court
    decided Crawford v. Washington, 
    541 U.S. 36
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d 177
    ,
    
    124 S. Ct. 1354
    (2004), which held that the testimonial hearsay
    statements of a witness who is absent from trial may not be admitted
    against a criminal defendant unless the witness is unavailable to
    testify and the defendant had a prior opportunity for cross-
    examination. Defendant filed a supplemental petition for leave to
    appeal in which he cited Crawford. We allowed defendant’s petition
    for leave to appeal. 210 Ill. 2d R. 315.
    BACKGROUND
    In 1999, defendant was indicted on charges of predatory criminal
    sexual assault of a child (720 ILCS 5/12–14.1(a)(1) (West 1998)),
    criminal sexual assault (720 ILCS 5/12–13(a)(1), (a)(2) (West 1998)),
    and aggravated criminal sexual abuse (720 ILCS 5/12–16(c)(1)(i)
    (West 1998)). According to the indictment, the charges stemmed
    from an incident that occurred on or about December 20, 1998.
    Prior to trial, the State requested a hearing to determine whether
    the victim’s hearsay statements were sufficiently reliable to be
    admitted under section 115–10 of the Code of Criminal Procedure. At
    this hearing, the State offered the testimony of three recipients of the
    child’s hearsay statements. Joan G., the child’s mother, testified that,
    on January 13, 1999, M.M.’s babysitter, Brenda Galete, came to
    Joan’s place of employment and told Joan that they needed to take the
    child to the hospital. Brenda did not tell Joan what happened, and
    Joan did not know why they were going to the hospital. Joan went
    with Brenda, and sat next to M.M. in the backseat of Brenda’s car.
    During the ride to the hospital, Joan asked M.M. what was wrong,
    and M.M. described an incident of sexual abuse by “Bob.” M.M. also
    said “Bob” warned her that if she told her mother about the abuse, he
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    would “hurt” M.M. Joan understood “Bob” to be defendant, who at
    the time lived in Joan’s apartment building in Alsip, Illinois, and was
    involved with Joan in a relationship. According to Joan, on a Monday
    about two weeks before Christmas 1998, defendant babysat M.M. in
    his apartment while Joan was at work. Subsequently, Joan noticed
    that her daughter was “acting awful strange” and “acting peculiar.”
    For example, around Christmastime, when Joan suggested that she
    and M.M. go to defendant’s apartment to visit, M.M. “got very upset”
    and said she did not want to go there. Joan suspected that either
    defendant or the child’s father had done something sexual to M.M.
    About December 21, 1998, Joan confronted defendant with her
    suspicions, but he denied doing anything to M.M.
    Upon arriving at Christ Hospital, Joan and M.M. went to the
    emergency room. While they were there, Ann Grote, a clinical
    specialist in charge of the hospital’s child-abuse team, came to the
    emergency room and spoke with Joan. Grote, a registered nurse,
    testified at the reliability hearing that, following her conversation with
    Joan, she decided to interview M.M. According to Grote, the child’s
    mother told her that the perpetrator was “the babysitter,” a man with
    whom Joan was involved in a relationship. Grote took M.M. to her
    office in Hope Children’s Hospital, which adjoined Christ Hospital,
    and interviewed the child in a playroom that was connected to Grote’s
    office. Grote testified that the child described an incident of sexual
    abuse by “Bob.” The details were essentially the same as those
    recounted by Joan in her testimony. According to Grote, M.M. said
    “Bob” told her not to tell about the abuse, and he warned M.M. that
    he “would be mad” if she told her mother. After the interview, Grote
    returned M.M. to the emergency room for an examination. Grote also
    spoke to Joan, telling her that a report would be filed and that Grote
    would contact the police department and would verify that the Illinois
    Department of Children and Family Services (DCFS) had been
    notified.
    Grote testified further that the next day, January 14, 1999, she
    spoke to Investigator Michael Fogarty of the Alsip police department
    and arranged for a second interview with M.M. at about 3 p.m. that
    day. The interview took place in the same playroom, which was
    equipped with a microphone and was connected to a second room by
    a one-way mirror. In the second room were Investigator Fogarty and
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    an assistant State’s Attorney. Grote began the interview with M.M.
    by asking the child if she could remember why she had come to the
    hospital the previous day. M.M. answered that “it was because of
    what Bob had done to her.” According to Grote, M.M. then related
    essentially the same incident that she had described the day before.
    Also testifying at the reliability hearing was Perry Yates, a social
    worker at the school where M.M. attended kindergarten. At about
    8:30 a.m. on January 14, 1999–the date of Grote’s second interview
    with M.M.–Yates received a telephone call at his office from M.M.’s
    mother, who gave him “some information.” Yates then asked Joan if
    he could speak to M.M. individually, and Joan said “that would be
    fine.” In his testimony at the hearing, Yates explained his reason for
    asking to speak with M.M. “The information that the mother had
    disclosed put me in a position where I had to make a mandated report
    [to DCFS].” Yates had a “legal obligation to check it out.” Yates
    began the interview with M.M. by asking her what she could tell him
    about Robert Stechly. M.M. responded by describing an incident of
    sexual abuse, the details of which were similar to those recounted by
    Joan and Grote. Yates stated:
    “It was kind of a long rambling narrative[,] which is
    unusual for the age of the child. She was very coherent, she
    gave a very comprehensive step by step report to me that was
    fairly alarming.”
    With regard to when the alleged incident occurred, M.M. told Yates
    that it happened “before Santa Claus came.” On cross-examination,
    Yates conceded that, while he had mentioned the name “Robert
    Stechly” in his initial question to M.M., she did not mention
    defendant by name during the interview.
    At the conclusion of the hearing, the circuit court found that “the
    time, content, and circumstances” of the hearsay statements “provide
    sufficient safeguards of reliability to be admissible.” Pursuant to
    section 115–10(b)(2), the court held that the statements “shall be
    admissible contingent upon one of two things occurring: [e]ither the
    child testifying at trial, or a judicial determination of unavailability,
    and there is corroborative evidence of the act” that was the subject of
    the statements.
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    The State filed a motion in limine seeking a judicial determination
    regarding the victim’s availability to testify. The sole witness at the
    hearing on this motion was Nancy Machonkin, a clinical child
    psychologist. Machonkin testified that she was hired by the victim’s
    father in March 1999 to evaluate M.M. to determine what impact the
    alleged abuse had on the child and the type of treatment M.M. might
    need. Machonkin met with M.M. five times over a monthlong period
    in the spring of 1999 and, after these five sessions, concluded that
    there was no need for treatment. Machonkin met with M.M. again in
    October 2000, this time in anticipation of M.M.’s possibly testifying.
    M.M.’s father told Machonkin that there was a possibility that the
    State might require M.M. to testify, and he wanted Machonkin to
    determine what impact that might have on the child. In her testimony
    at the availability hearing, Machonkin stated that in all the sessions
    she had with M.M., Machonkin was never able to persuade M.M. to
    talk about the sexual abuse allegations. In the spring 1999 sessions,
    each time Machonkin tried to broach the alleged abuse, M.M. would
    state: “I don’t want to tell. I don’t want to talk about it. I’m not going
    to talk about it.” M.M. gave a similar response in the October 2000
    session when Machonkin suggested the possibility of testifying in
    court regarding the alleged abuse. M.M. stated: “It’s nasty. I’m
    scared. I don’t want to tell. I don’t want to talk about it.”
    Machonkin testified further that, if M.M. were forced to testify,
    she would likely experience trauma symptoms such as anxiety, sleep
    disturbance, and difficulties in concentrating and paying attention.
    According to Machonkin, it would not be in the child’s best interest
    to testify. Machonkin stated that, in her professional opinion, M.M.
    was unavailable to testify. On cross-examination, Machonkin
    acknowledged that there were steps the court might take to minimize
    the stress associated with testifying. For example, M.M. could (1)
    visit the courtroom when it was empty, (2) talk to the judge in
    chambers, or (3) meet beforehand with the persons who would be
    asking the questions. While Machonkin indicated that it might take
    a year or more for M.M. to become acclimated to the courtroom, and
    even then there would be no guarantees, Machonkin also stated that
    M.M. might possibly become acclimated to the courtroom in as little
    as two weeks.
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    At the conclusion of the availability hearing, the circuit court
    declared M.M. legally unavailable. The court noted that M.M. had
    been “repeatedly interviewed by an experienced and seasoned child
    psychologist” and that M.M. had “steadfastly refused to discuss the
    incident in question with this child psychologist.” The court
    concluded:
    “[T]his uncommunicative child would likely suffer
    significant emotional harm if she were to participate in this
    trial. Such participation would inject [sic] this child to fear
    and anxiety to a degree that would further traumatize her.
    Accordingly, the Court declares this child to be legally
    unavailable for trial.”
    Defendant filed a motion to reconsider the ruling declaring M.M.
    unavailable to testify. The circuit court denied the motion.
    Prior to the stipulated bench trial, defendant’s case was tried
    before a jury. Four of the witnesses for the State at the jury trial were
    the same witnesses who had testified at the reliability and availability
    hearings. Their testimony before the jury was essentially consistent
    with their testimony at the pretrial hearings. However, some
    additional information was provided in the trial testimony. M.M.’s
    mother, Joan, stated that, as far as she could recall, defendant babysat
    M.M. only once. Joan also testified that, in addition to questioning
    defendant in December 1998 about whether he had sexually abused
    M.M., Joan asked M.M. (sometime in December before Christmas)
    if her father or anyone else had ever touched her inappropriately.
    M.M. said no one had. Joan testified that her nephew, Bob Reilly,
    lived in an apartment in Joan’s building, but Joan insisted that her
    nephew did not babysit for M.M. In addition, Joan’s testimony at trial
    differed slightly from her testimony at the reliability hearing
    regarding the conversation with M.M. en route to the hospital.
    Whereas at the pretrial hearing Joan testified that M.M. identified her
    abuser as “Bob,” and she “understood that to be Bob Stechly,” at trial
    Joan testified that M.M. actually told her that “Robert Stechly”
    performed the actions in question, identifying defendant by his full
    first and last names. Ann Grote, the specialist in charge of the
    hospital’s child-abuse team, stated that, with regard to her second
    interview with M.M., Officer Christopher Radz of the Alsip police
    department was also in the room adjacent to the playroom, along with
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    Officer Fogarty and an assistant State’s Attorney. Perry Yates, the
    social worker at M.M.’s school, gave additional details about the
    telephone call he received from M.M.’s mother the morning of
    January 14, 1999. According to Yates, the information that M.M.’s
    mother gave him that morning was that there were allegations that
    M.M. had been sexually abused and that defendant had “touched”
    M.M. or “done something” to her. Nancy Machonkin, the clinical
    child psychologist, explained why, after meeting with M.M. five
    times in spring 1999, Machonkin concluded that no treatment was
    necessary. Prior to the sessions with Machonkin, M.M. had exhibited
    “symptoms” including sexualized behavior, undressing and dressing
    dolls, and kissing and hugging unfamiliar adults. However, M.M.’s
    father and grandmother told Machonkin that, following the spring
    1999 sessions with Machonkin, M.M. had ceased to exhibit such
    symptoms. Machonkin also testified that, while M.M. appeared to
    have moved past the alleged abuse, at least for the time being, the
    child also was dealing with a new living situation. M.M.’s father had
    recently obtained temporary legal and physical custody of M.M., and
    the child was “dealing with transitioning, adjusting [to] living with
    her father and grandmother full time.”
    Also testifying for the State at the jury trial were Officer
    Christopher Radz of the Alsip police department and Kent Delgado,
    a Cook County assistant State’s Attorney. Radz stated that, as part of
    his investigation of the alleged sexual abuse of M.M., he had
    observed a “victim sensitive interview” of the child on January 14,
    1999, at Hope Children’s Hospital. (This was Grote’s second
    interview with M.M.) Radz explained that he and Investigator Fogarty
    and an assistant State’s Attorney were situated behind a one-way
    mirror while the child sat on the floor of a playroom and spoke to
    Grote. Radz was able to watch and listen to the interview. That
    evening, Radz and some other officers found defendant at a pizza
    parlor where defendant worked part-time. Radz arrested defendant
    and transported him to the Alsip police station, arriving there shortly
    after 7 p.m. Defendant was informed of his Miranda rights, and he
    signed a Miranda rights waiver form.
    Delgado, the assistant State’s Attorney, testified that he arrived at
    the Alsip police station at about 8:30 or 8:45 p.m. on January 14,
    1999. At about 11 p.m., after discussing the case with officers and
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    investigators, and after reading their reports, Delgado spoke to
    defendant. According to Delgado, defendant told Delgado about the
    incident, and agreed to put his statement in writing. At the jury trial,
    Delgado read defendant’s statement, in which defendant admitted to
    the abuse. However, according to defendant’s statement, he was
    asleep when the abuse occurred and mistakenly thought M.M. was
    Joan. When he realized it was M.M. and not Joan, defendant ended
    the incident. He told M.M. that it was an accident and told her not to
    tell anyone because if her mother found out, she would be mad at
    M.M.
    The main witness for the defense at the jury trial was Brenda
    Galete, the babysitter who had insisted, on January 13, 1999, that
    M.M. be taken to the hospital. Galete testified that she began
    babysitting for M.M. in November 1998 (prior to defendant’s
    babysitting for M.M. in December 1998). At that time, Galete noticed
    that M.M. was “very afraid of men,” she was “always fidgety,” and
    she would never leave Galete’s side. M.M. also acted “very strange
    around her mother.” Galete testified that she babysat for M.M. “at
    least a couple [of] times a week,” and that Joan had other people
    babysitting as well. Galete stated, contrary to Joan’s testimony, that
    Joan’s nephew, Bob Reilly, who lived in Joan’s apartment building,
    “babysat a lot” for M.M.
    Galete testified further that, three or four days before January 13,
    1999, the day when M.M. went to the hospital, Galete mentioned to
    Joan that M.M. was “acting strange” and that Galete thought there
    had been “some kind of sexual abuse.” On January 13, M.M. told
    Galete about the incident of sexual abuse by “Bob.” According to
    Galete, M.M. “never really specified which Bob.” In her testimony at
    the jury trial, Galete stated: “There are too many Bobs babysitting.”
    Galete was the first person M.M. told about the incident. As a result
    of her conversation with M.M., Galete went to Joan’s place of
    employment and insisted that they take M.M. to the hospital. Galete
    stated that, while they were in the car en route to the hospital, Galete
    did not remember hearing Joan ask M.M. what happened. According
    to Galete, if Joan asked M.M. questions while they were in the car,
    Galete did not hear what Joan was asking. This testimony differed
    from that of Joan, who stated that she did discuss the incident with
    M.M. while they were in the car. On cross-examination, Galete stated
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    that she thought “there [were] other people that molested” M.M.
    Galete told the police that she thought Joan was molesting M.M.
    The defense also called two expert witnesses, a clinical
    psychologist and a psychiatrist. In addition, defendant testified in his
    own behalf. Robert Shapiro, the clinical psychologist, was sharply
    critical of the interviewing techniques used by Grote and Yates. In
    Shapiro’s view, Grote should have asked more questions to determine
    the identity of “Bob.” According to Shapiro, Grote obtained enough
    information from M.M. to conclude that the child had been sexually
    abused “by someone,” but the information was “totally inadequate to
    determine who did the abuse.” Shapiro also testified that, in his
    opinion, Yates’ interview with M.M. was not reliable. Shapiro noted
    that Yates used defendant’s name, “Robert Stechly,” in his opening
    question to M.M. According to Shapiro, this question was improperly
    leading. Shapiro stated: “You’re already throwing out a name. It’s
    leading to the child.”
    Gregory Teas, the psychiatrist, testified that defendant had
    difficulties with abstract thinking and did not understand the
    ramifications of signing a statement. Teas also asserted that, in the 45
    hours prior to defendant’s signing the statement at the Alsip police
    station, defendant had gotten only one to three hours of sleep. In
    Teas’ view, this sleep deprivation, coupled with defendant’s lack of
    mental appreciation of the circumstances, played a role in defendant’s
    decisionmaking the night he signed the statement. Defendant’s main
    interest at the time he signed the statement, Teas asserted, was in
    going home. “[H]e trusted the authorities[;] he felt that he did nothing
    wrong.” According to Teas, defendant signed what he considered to
    be a false statement because “he thought it was a fair thing to do to
    get some sleep and so that the truth could come out the next day,
    through further investigation.”
    In his testimony at the jury trial, defendant acknowledged that he
    babysat for M.M. on one occasion, approximately the first Monday
    in December 1998, but he denied that any sexual abuse took place.
    Defendant denied touching M.M. on that or any other date. He also
    denied having M.M. touch him in any inappropriate place. With
    regard to the interrogation at the Alsip police station on the night of
    January 13, 1999, defendant testified that he denied committing the
    offense. However, by the time Assistant State’s Attorney Delgado
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    began questioning him, defendant said he was getting tired of telling
    the authorities that he “didn’t do it” and “trying to prove himself.”
    Defendant told Delgado and Fogarty: “[I]f this is what you guys think
    happened, I don’t care, write it down if you want to.” Defendant
    signed the statement, even though he knew it was not true.
    Following the presentation of evidence, the jury was instructed
    and began deliberations. The jury subsequently sent a note to the
    judge stating: “Split on all counts.” The judge asked each of the jurors
    the following question: “In your considered opinion, could further
    deliberations possibly result in a verdict?” Each juror answered “no.”
    The judge declared a mistrial.
    Defendant waived his right to a second jury trial, and requested
    a bench trial instead. The parties then stipulated that, if they were to
    call witnesses at the bench trial, they would call the same witnesses
    who testified at the jury trial, and their testimony would be the same
    as it was at the jury trial. The judge stated that he “well
    remember[ed]” the facts of the case and the testimony of each
    witness. He added that he had taken “copious notes during the course
    of the jury trial” and had reviewed those notes. The judge found
    defendant guilty on all counts.
    Defendant moved for a new trial, arguing that (1) the evidence
    was insufficient to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and
    (2) the court erred in (a) declaring the victim unavailable for trial and
    (b) allowing Ann Grote, Perry Yates, and Joan G. to testify as to the
    victim’s hearsay statements. According to defendant, the hearsay
    testimony of these three witnesses was neither reliable nor credible
    evidence. The motion for a new trial was denied. The court sentenced
    defendant to six years in prison.
    On appeal, defendant raised two arguments. First, he contended
    that the trial court erred in admitting M.M.’s hearsay statements.
    According to defendant, the State failed to meet its statutory burden
    of showing that the hearsay statements were reliable. See 725 ILCS
    5/115–10 (West 1998). Defendant noted that the State failed to call
    Brenda Galete, the babysitter who was the initial outcry witness, to
    testify at the reliability hearing. In defendant’s view, Galete’s
    testimony “was critical to showing all the circumstances that led to
    the subsequent [hearsay] statements and for determining their
    reliability.”
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    Defendant also argued that the trial court erred in declaring M.M.
    unavailable to testify. According to defendant, the testimony of
    psychologist Nancy Machonkin, the sole witness at the unavailability
    hearing, was insufficient to establish that M.M. was unable to testify
    at trial.
    The appellate court affirmed the judgment of the circuit court. No.
    1–01–2869 (unpublished order under Supreme Court Rule 23). With
    regard to defendant’s argument that the State should have called
    Galete, the initial outcry witness, to testify at the reliability hearing,
    the appellate court stated: “The outcry witness, to whom the child
    victim first reports the sexual assault, is not required to testify in
    order for the child’s statements to be deemed reliable.” No.
    1–01–2869 (unpublished order under Supreme Court Rule 23).
    The appellate court also rejected defendant’s unavailability
    argument. The court concluded, contrary to defendant’s contention,
    that Machonkin’s testimony was sufficient to show that M.M. was
    unavailable to testify. The appellate court held: “[T]he trial court did
    not abuse its discretion in determining, on the evidence presented,
    that M.M. was legally unavailable for trial.”
    DISCUSSION
    Before this court, defendant renews the reliability and availability
    arguments that he advanced in the appellate court below. Defendant
    contends that the State failed to meet its burden of establishing the
    reliability of M.M.’s hearsay statements, and the circuit court
    therefore erred in admitting these statements. Defendant also argues
    that the circuit court erred in declaring M.M. unavailable to testify.
    The State responds that the circuit court was well within its discretion
    in finding the statements reliable and finding M.M. unavailable to
    testify, and urges that we affirm the circuit court’s rulings on these
    issues.
    In addition, defendant advances an alternative argument that was
    not presented to the appellate court. Defendant now contends that the
    admission of M.M.’s hearsay statements violated his sixth
    amendment right to confront the witnesses against him, and therefore
    these statements should not have been admitted. He bases his
    argument on the Supreme Court’s decision in Crawford v.
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    Washington, 
    541 U.S. 36
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d 177
    , 
    124 S. Ct. 1354
    (2004),
    which was decided after the appellate court rendered its decision in
    this case. There, the Supreme Court held that the “testimonial”
    hearsay statements of a witness who does not testify at trial are
    inadmissible against a criminal defendant unless the witness is
    unavailable to testify and the defendant had a prior opportunity for
    cross-examination. In the case at bar, defendant argues that M.M.’s
    statements were testimonial hearsay as contemplated in Crawford.
    Defendant contends that, because he had no opportunity to cross-
    examine M.M., the admission of her statements violated the
    confrontation clause under Crawford.
    The State raises a host of counterarguments to defendant’s
    Crawford-based confrontation clause claim. The State contends
    initially that we ought not even consider the argument, for two
    reasons: defendant waived the argument by failing to raise it below,
    and defendant forfeited the protection of the confrontation clause
    because his conduct was responsible for M.M.’s unavailability for
    trial. On the merits of the confrontation clause claim, the State argues
    that the statements made by M.M. were not “testimonial” and thus did
    not trigger the confrontation clause’s protection, because M.M. was
    not aware that her statements could be used in future prosecution and
    because none of the statements were made directly to representatives
    of law enforcement. Finally, the State argues that any confrontation
    clause violation which we may find to have occurred was in any event
    harmless.
    As a general rule courts avoid deciding constitutional questions
    when other, nonconstitutional grounds exist for resolving the case.
    See, e.g., People v. Lee, 
    214 Ill. 2d 476
    , 482 (2005); In re Detention
    of Swope, 
    213 Ill. 2d 210
    , 218 (2004), quoting In re S.G., 
    175 Ill. 2d 471
    , 479 (1997). Thus we ordinarily first would turn to defendant’s
    arguments regarding reliability and availability, before addressing
    Crawford and the confrontation clause. However, as the State notes,
    defendant’s reliability and availability arguments are both couched in
    constitutional terms. Moreover, the far-reaching changes Crawford
    and its progeny have wrought to confrontation clause analysis may
    well impact our consideration of these other issues as well.
    Accordingly, we believe the most efficient route will be to turn first
    to defendant’s new argument: that introduction of M.M.’s statements
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    to her mother, Grote, and Yates violated his rights under the
    confrontation clause.
    I. Defendant’s Confrontation Clause Claim
    A. Introduction
    The sixth amendment to the United States Constitution, which
    was adopted in 1791, provides that
    “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the
    right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the
    State and district wherein the crime shall have been
    committed, which district shall have been previously
    ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause
    of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against
    him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in
    his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his
    defence.” U.S. Const., amend. VI.
    That portion of the sixth amendment which provides that “[i]n all
    criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right *** to be
    confronted with the witnesses against him” is known as the
    confrontation clause. This right extends to the states through the
    fourteenth amendment. Pointer v. Texas, 
    380 U.S. 400
    , 406, 
    13 L. Ed. 2d
    923, 927-28, 
    85 S. Ct. 1065
    , 1069 (1965). See also Ill. Const.
    1970, art. I, §8 (amended 1994) (“In criminal prosecutions, the
    accused shall have the right *** to be confronted with the witnesses
    against him or her”).
    In 1980, the United States Supreme Court established a general
    framework for confrontation clause analysis in Ohio v. Roberts, 
    448 U.S. 56
    , 
    65 L. Ed. 2d 597
    , 
    100 S. Ct. 2531
    (1980). There, the Court
    held that
    “when a hearsay declarant is not present for cross-
    examination at trial, the Confrontation Clause normally
    requires a showing that he is unavailable. Even then, his
    statement is admissible only if it bears adequate ‘indicia of
    reliability.’ Reliability can be inferred without more in a case
    where the evidence falls within a firmly rooted hearsay
    exception. In other cases, the evidence must be excluded, at
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    least absent a showing of particularized guarantees of
    trustworthiness.” 
    Roberts, 448 U.S. at 66
    , 65 L. Ed. 2d at 
    608, 100 S. Ct. at 2539
    .
    The Roberts framework for confrontation clause analysis lasted for
    nearly two decades, and section 115–10 of our Code of Criminal
    Procedure of 1963 was tailored to suit the constitutional requirements
    therein delineated. See 725 ILCS 5/115–10 (West 2000).
    B. Crawford and Davis
    However, in 2004 the Supreme Court fundamentally altered its
    approach to confrontation clause analysis. In Crawford v.
    Washington, 
    541 U.S. 36
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d 177
    , 
    124 S. Ct. 1354
    (2004),
    the Court considered the appeal of a criminal defendant who was
    convicted based in part on statements his wife made during an
    interview while in police custody. The defendant’s wife did not testify
    at trial, because of defendant’s invocation of spousal privilege.
    However, the trial court admitted her out-of-court statements, over
    defendant’s confrontation clause objection, after determining that
    they bore “particularized guarantees of trustworthiness.”
    The Court overruled Roberts and held that the admission of the
    statement against defendant violated the confrontation clause. The
    Court began by revisiting the historical origins of the confrontation
    clause, noting that it was a reaction against the civil law practice of
    admitting at trial statements made outside of court, in response to
    questioning by justices of the peace or other officials. 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 43-50
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    187-92, 124 S. Ct. at 1359-63
    . The
    Court labeled the political trials of the sixteenth and seventeenth
    centuries the most “notorious” examples of this practice 
    (Crawford, 541 U.S. at 44
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    188, 124 S. Ct. at 1360
    ), and
    specifically noted the trial of Sir Walter Raleigh. There, Lord
    Cobham, Raleigh’s alleged accomplice, accused Raleigh in both an
    out-of-court examination and a letter, both of which were admitted at
    Raleigh’s trial as evidence against him. The judges rejected Raleigh’s
    pleas for Cobham to be brought to court to testify in person, and the
    jury convicted Raleigh and sentenced him to death. Crawford, 541
    U.S. at 
    44, 158 L. Ed. 2d at 188
    , 124 S. Ct. at 1360. The Court in
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    Crawford went on to note subsequent reforms in English law, as well
    as practices in the Colonies.
    The Court’s historical review led the Court to two conclusions
    regarding the confrontation clause:
    “First, the principal evil at which the Confrontation
    Clause was directed was the civil-law mode of criminal
    procedure, and particularly its use of ex parte examinations as
    evidence against the accused. ***
    ***
    The historical record also supports a second proposition:
    that the Framers would not have allowed admission of
    testimonial statements of a witness who did not appear at trial
    unless he was unavailable to testify, and the defendant had
    had a prior opportunity for cross-examination.” 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 50-54
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    192-94, 124 S. Ct. at 1363-65
    .
    These two propositions led the Court to conclude that the protections
    provided by the Roberts framework were insufficient in the context
    of “testimonial” statements. 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 61-62
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    199, 124 S. Ct. at 1370-71
    . Rather, “[w]here testimonial
    statements are at issue, the only indicium of reliability sufficient to
    satisfy constitutional demands is the one the Constitution actually
    prescribes: confrontation.” 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 68-69
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    203, 124 S. Ct. at 1374
    . However, the Crawford Court explicitly
    declined to define what exactly makes a statement “testimonial.” See
    
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 68
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    203, 124 S. Ct. at 1374
    .
    The Court noted a few possible definitions but rather than attempting
    a comprehensive definition, simply held that whatever the definition
    of “testimonial hearsay” might be, “interrogations by law
    enforcement officers fall squarely within” it. 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 53
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    194, 124 S. Ct. at 1365
    . The Court held that the
    recorded statement at issue in Crawford, “knowingly given in
    response to structured police questioning, qualifies” as having been
    the product of an interrogation “under any conceivable definition.”
    
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 53
    n.4, 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 194 
    n.4, 124 S. Ct. at 1365
    n.4. See also 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 52
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    193, 124 S. Ct. at 1364
    (“Statements taken by police officers in the course
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    of interrogation are also testimonial under even a narrow standard”);
    
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 68
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    203, 124 S. Ct. at 1374
    (“Whatever else the term covers, it applies at a minimum to prior
    testimony at a preliminary hearing, before a grand jury, or at a former
    trial; and to police interrogations,” which are “the modern practices
    with closest kinship to the abuses at which the Confrontation Clause
    was directed”).
    More recently, the Court returned to the confrontation clause and
    added to the Crawford jurisprudence. In Davis v. Washington, 547
    U.S. __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d 224
    , 
    126 S. Ct. 2266
    (2006), the Court
    considered statements from two distinct appeals in which criminal
    defendants raised confrontation clause challenges to out-of-court
    statements which had been admitted at their trials. In the first case,
    the statements were made in the context of an emergency call to a 911
    operator. In the second case, the statements were made to police
    officers at the scene of a domestic altercation, after the altercation had
    ended. The Court concluded the statements to the officers at the scene
    of the domestic disturbance were testimonial (Davis, 547 U.S. at __,
    
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    241-42, 126 S. Ct. at 2278
    ), but the statements to the
    911 operator were not (Davis, 547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 240-
    
    41, 126 S. Ct. at 2276-77
    ). The differing results were not based on
    any distinction between police officers and 911 operators per se,
    because the Court assumed for purposes of analysis that 911 operators
    were agents of law enforcement. Davis, 547 U.S. at __ n.2, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 238 
    n.2, 126 S. Ct. at 2274
    n.2. Rather, the Court clarified or
    modified its holding in Crawford to hold that statements to law
    enforcement officials are not always testimonial. The Court held that
    whether such statements were testimonial depended on the
    intent–more specifically, objective manifestations of intent–of the
    police when taking the statement:
    “Statements are nontestimonial when made in the course of
    police interrogation under circumstances objectively
    indicating that the primary purpose of the interrogation is to
    enable police assistance to meet an ongoing emergency. They
    are testimonial when the circumstances objectively indicate
    that there is no such ongoing emergency, and that the primary
    purpose of the interrogation is to establish or prove past
    events potentially relevant to later criminal prosecution.”
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    Davis, 547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    237, 126 S. Ct. at 2273-74
    .
    C. The Case at Bar
    1. Waiver
    As previously noted, the State argues initially that defendant has
    waived any confrontation clause claims by not raising them below.
    We reject this argument. “Crawford announced a new rule regarding
    the effect of the confrontation clause on the admission of hearsay
    statements in criminal prosecutions.” People v. Sisavath, 118 Cal.
    App. 4th 1396, 1400, 
    13 Cal. Rptr. 3d 753
    , 756 (2004); see also
    People v. Compan, 
    100 P.3d 533
    , 537 (Colo. App. 2004). “ ‘A new
    rule for the conduct of criminal prosecutions is to be applied
    retroactively to all cases, state or federal, pending on direct review or
    not yet final.’ ” 
    Sisavath, 118 Cal. App. 4th at 1400
    , 13 Cal. Rptr. 3d
    at 756, quoting Griffith v. Kentucky, 
    479 U.S. 314
    , 328, 
    93 L. Ed. 2d 649
    , 661, 
    107 S. Ct. 708
    , 716 (1987); People v. Ford, 
    198 Ill. 2d 68
    ,
    72-73 (2001). It would be manifestly unfair to hold defendant to have
    waived claims by not raising them at trial when those claims are
    based on a rule which was only announced during the pendency of his
    appeal to this court.
    2. Forfeiture by Wrongdoing
    The State argues in the alternative that defendant should not be
    permitted to raise a confrontation clause claim because he himself is
    to blame for M.M.’s unavailability. The State’s argument is based on
    the equitable doctrine of forfeiture by wrongdoing. As the Supreme
    Court stated in 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 62
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    199, 124 S. Ct. at 1370
    , “the rule of forfeiture by wrongdoing (which we
    accept) extinguishes confrontation claims on essentially equitable
    grounds.” According to this rule, “one who obtains the absence of a
    witness by wrongdoing forfeits the constitutional right to
    confrontation.” Davis, 547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 244, 126 S.
    Ct. at 2280. See also Reynolds v. United States, 
    98 U.S. 145
    , 158, 
    25 L. Ed. 244
    , 247 (1879) (“The Constitution gives the accused the right
    to a trial at which he should be confronted with the witnesses against
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    him; but if a witness is absent by his own wrongful procurement, he
    cannot complain if competent evidence is admitted to supply the
    place of that which he has kept away”).
    The parties differ on the application of this doctrine. Defendant
    argues that his confrontation rights are forfeited only if he intended
    to cause the witness to be unavailable for trial. He contends that there
    is no evidence that he intended to preclude M.M. from testifying
    against him and, accordingly, he should retain his right to confront
    her. The State advocates for a broader approach, arguing that the
    doctrine of forfeiture by wrongdoing accepted by the Court in
    Crawford “does not require an intent to prevent the witness from
    testifying.” The State contends that the doctrine focuses on the
    defendant’s wrongdoing and its result, rather than on the defendant’s
    motive. The State argues that M.M. is unavailable for trial solely
    because of defendant’s assault and, accordingly, he has forfeited his
    right to confront her, regardless of whether he had any intent to
    prevent her from testifying.
    Courts are split on the intent requirement. Some courts have held
    that intent is an element of the doctrine (see, e.g., People v. Melchor,
    
    362 Ill. App. 3d 335
    (2005), appeal allowed, 
    218 Ill. 2d 551
    (2006)
    (table); Commonwealth v. Edwards, 
    444 Mass. 526
    , 540, 
    830 N.E.2d 158
    , 170 (2005); State v. Alvarez-Lopez, 
    136 N.M. 309
    , 315, 
    98 P.3d 699
    , 705 (2004)), but as the State and the dissent note, the majority
    of decisions are to the effect that the defendant’s intent is not
    relevant. See Gonzalez v. State, 
    195 S.W.3d 114
    , 119 n.25 (Tex.
    Crim. App. 2006), quoting J. Kroger, The Confrontation Waiver Rule,
    76 B.U.L. Rev. 835, 854, 875-77 (1996).
    Depending on one’s understanding of the theoretical
    underpinnings of the rule, support can be found for both views. The
    doctrine serves the public policy of protecting “the integrity of the
    adversary process by deterring litigants from acting on strong
    incentives to prevent the testimony of an adverse witness.” Steele v.
    Taylor, 
    684 F.2d 1193
    , 1202 (6th Cir. 1982). See also United States
    v. Thompson, 
    286 F.3d 950
    , 962 (7th Cir. 2002) (noting that “[t]he
    primary reasoning behind this rule is *** to deter criminals from
    intimidating or ‘taking care of’ potential witnesses against them”).
    When the rule is considered in this light, it makes sense to limit its
    application to those situations in which the defendant intended to
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    procure the witness’ unavailability. It is, after all, impossible to deter
    those who do not act intentionally. However, the Supreme Court has
    stated that the doctrine of forfeiture by wrongdoing is rooted in the
    equitable “maxim that no one shall be permitted to take advantage of
    his own wrong” 
    (Reynolds, 98 U.S. at 159
    , 25 L. Ed. at 248). This
    understanding of the foundation of the rule lends support to the
    conclusion that any wrongdoing which results in a witness’
    unavailability should vitiate the confrontation right, because
    otherwise the defendant would benefit from his wrongful conduct.
    However, although the foundation supplied in Reynolds may be
    capable of supporting a very broad rule, the doctrine the Supreme
    Court actually applied in that case was extremely narrow. The rule the
    Court endorsed in Reynolds permits admission only of prior
    “testimony, taken on a former trial between the same parties upon the
    same issues.” Even such evidence was held admissible only when the
    defendant “corruptly” or “wrongfully” kept the witness away.
    
    Reynolds, 98 U.S. at 158-59
    , 25 L. Ed. at 247-48. Moreover,
    Reynolds unequivocally imposed an “intent” requirement.
    Notwithstanding the broad basis for the rule, when the Reynolds
    Court discussed the guarantees of the confrontation clause, it stated
    that the Constitution grants an accused “the privilege of being
    confronted with the witnesses against him; but if he voluntarily keeps
    the witnesses away, he cannot insist on his privilege. If, therefore,
    when absent by his procurement, their evidence is supplied in some
    lawful way, he is in no condition to assert that his constitutional rights
    have been violated.” (Emphasis added.) 
    Reynolds, 98 U.S. at 158
    , 25
    L. Ed. at 247. The statement that the accused forfeits his
    confrontation rights when he “voluntarily” keeps the witnesses away
    is a clear expression of intent. Regardless of whether a broader rule
    could exist as a matter of equity, the rule laid down by the Supreme
    Court in Reynolds contemplates an accused intentionally procuring a
    witness’ absence.
    The Supreme Court’s much more recent decision in Davis
    indicates that this remains the law. In reaffirming the rule, Davis
    stated:
    “We may not, however, vitiate constitutional guarantees when
    they have the effect of allowing the guilty to go free.
    [Citation.] But when defendants seek to undermine the
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    judicial process by procuring or coercing silence from
    witnesses and victims, the Sixth Amendment does not require
    courts to acquiesce. While defendants have no duty to assist
    the State in proving their guilt, they do have the duty to
    refrain from acting in ways that destroy the integrity of the
    criminal trial system.” (Emphasis added and omitted.) Davis,
    547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    244, 126 S. Ct. at 2280
    .
    The Court here clearly states that not all conduct which happens to
    result in a witness’ unavailability will constitute forfeiture by
    wrongdoing. Rather, only that conduct through which a defendant
    “seek[s] to undermine the judicial process” or “destroy the integrity
    of the criminal trial system” qualifies. This strongly connotes a
    requirement of intent. An act of assault, however heinous and
    reprehensible in its own right, is not without more an attempt to
    “undermine the judicial process.” It becomes such only when the
    assault is motivated at least in part by an intent to interfere with or
    impede the process of a trial at which all witnesses with relevant
    knowledge appear and testify and are subject to cross-examination.
    Another statement in Davis reinforces our conclusion. Federal
    Rule of Evidence 804(b)(6) provides an exception to the hearsay rule
    when the declarant is unavailable and the prior out-of-court statement
    is “offered against a party that has engaged or acquiesced in
    wrongdoing that was intended to, and did, procure the unavailability
    of the declarant as a witness.” Fed. R. Evid. 804(b)(6). The State and
    the dissent concede, as they must, that Rule 804(b)(6) contains an
    intent requirement, but argue that the equitable doctrine of forfeiture
    by wrongdoing is broader than Rule 804(b)(6). However, in Davis the
    Supreme Court stated that Rule 804(b)(6) “codifies the forfeiture
    doctrine.” Davis, 547 U.S. at ___, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    244, 126 S. Ct. at 2280
    . Accord United States v. Gray, 
    405 F.3d 227
    , 241 (4th Cir.
    2005); United States v. Dhinsa, 
    243 F.3d 635
    , 653 (2d Cir. 2001);
    United States v. Ochoa, 
    229 F.3d 631
    , 639 (7th Cir. 2000);United
    States v. Cherry, 
    217 F.3d 811
    , 815 (10th Cir. 2000); Commonwealth
    v. Edwards, 
    444 Mass. 526
    , 
    830 N.E.2d 158
    (2005); State v. Henry,
    
    76 Conn. App. 515
    , 533, 
    820 A.2d 1076
    , 1087 (2003). In other
    words, Rule 804(b)(6) and the equitable doctrine are coextensive,
    because the former is a legislative enactment of the latter. See Black’s
    Law Dictionary 252, 1420 (7th ed. 1999) (“codification” is “[t]he
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    process of compiling, arranging, and systematizing the laws of a
    given jurisdiction, or of a discrete branch of the law, into an ordered
    code”; a “codifying statute” is “[a] law that purports to be exhaustive
    in restating the whole of the law on a particular topic, including prior
    caselaw as well as legislative provisions”). Thus, according to the
    Supreme Court–and the numerous other courts to have so held–Rule
    804(b)(6) and its intent requirement reflect the common law equitable
    doctrine.
    Considering Rule 804(b)(6) when analyzing the common law
    equitable doctrine of forfeiture by wrongdoing does not conflict with
    the statement in Crawford that the protection afforded by the
    confrontation clause does not depend on “the vagaries of the [r]ules
    of [e]vidence.” See United States v. Garcia-Meza, 
    403 F.3d 364
    , 370
    (6th Cir. 2005), quoting 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 61
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at
    
    199, 124 S. Ct. at 1370
    . This takes the statement from Crawford
    entirely out of context. Crawford was concerned with rejecting the
    notion that a defendant’s confrontation clause rights are adequately
    protected so long as the rules against hearsay are satisfied. Rule
    804(b)(6) was not at issue in Crawford; it was not even mentioned.
    Moreover, our point here is not that Rule 804(b)(6) has the power to
    force the common law and constitution to conform to its dictates, but
    rather that Rule 804(b)(6) was intended to be a reflection of the
    common law, to describe how the common law in fact operates. That
    is what a “codification” is. See Black’s Law Dictionary 252 (7th ed.
    1999).
    The dissent contends that the advisory committee’s notes
    establish that Rule 804(b)(6) is “designed to deter” witness
    tampering, “especially in the area of gang or organized crime.” Slip
    op. at 69 (Thomas, C.J., dissenting, joined by Karmeier, J.). The
    committee notes at the time subsection (b)(6) was adopted provide:
    “Rule 804(b)(6) has been added to provide that a party
    forfeits the right to object on hearsay grounds to the
    admission of a declarant’s prior statement when the party’s
    deliberate wrongdoing or acquiescence therein procured the
    unavailability of the declarant as a witness. This recognizes
    the need for a prophylactic rule to deal with abhorrent
    behavior ‘which strikes at the heart of the system of justice
    itself.’ United States v. Mastrangelo, 
    693 F.2d 269
    , 273 (2d
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    Cir. 1982), cert. denied, 
    467 U.S. 1204
    (1984). The
    wrongdoing need not consist of a criminal act. The rule
    applies to all parties, including the government.” Fed. R.
    Evid. 804, Notes of Advisory Committee on Rules–1997
    Amendments.
    Nothing here indicates that the rule was intended to be as limited in
    application as the dissent suggests. See also 4 S. Saltzburg, M. Martin
    & D. Capra, Federal Rules of Evidence Manual §804.02(16), at
    804–35 (9th ed. 2006) (noting that although the rule was “derived
    from cases that have held that a criminal defendant forfeits his right
    to confrontation if he causes or acquiesces in the witness’
    unavailability,” the rule “is not limited to criminal cases” but applies
    to “any party” who procures a witness’ absence, including parties in
    civil cases and the prosecution in a criminal case). Regardless, given
    the Supreme Court’s statement that the rule “codifies” the common
    law doctrine, any statement by the advisory committee suggesting
    otherwise would seem irrelevant.
    What, then, of the numerous cases finding intent irrelevant to the
    doctrine? In short, they are all distinguishable. First, nearly all such
    cases predate Davis and the statements therein, e.g., that the doctrine
    contemplates an effort to “undermine the judicial process” and that
    Rule 804(b)(6) “codifies,” i.e., reflects, the common law doctrine. See
    United States v. Garcia-Meza, 
    403 F.3d 364
    (6th Cir. 2005); United
    States v. Emery, 
    186 F.3d 921
    (8th Cir. 1999); United States v. Miller,
    
    116 F.3d 641
    (2d Cir. 1997); United States v. Mayhew, 
    380 F. Supp. 2d
    961 (S.D. Ohio 2005); Gonzalez v. State, 
    155 S.W.3d 603
    , 610-11
    (Tex. App.–San Antonio 2004), aff’d, 
    195 S.W.3d 114
    (Tex. Crim.
    App. 2006);1 People v. Hale, 
    277 Wis. 2d 593
    , 
    691 N.W.2d 637
    (2005); People v. Bauder, 
    269 Mich. App. 174
    , 
    712 N.W.2d 506
    (App. 2005); State v. Meeks, 
    277 Kan. 609
    , 
    88 P.3d 789
    (2004);
    People v. Moore, 
    117 P.3d 1
    (Colo. App. 2004); Commonwealth v.
    Salaam, 65 Va. Cir. 405 (2004). Of the few cases which postdate
    1
    Although the decision affirming the Texas appellate court was filed two
    days after Davis, the Court of Criminal Appeals of Texas declined to
    address whether intent was required for forfeiture by wrongdoing, because
    the court held that the requisite intent could be inferred in the
    circumstances of the case at bar. 
    Gonzalez, 195 S.W.3d at 124-25
    .
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    Davis, none even acknowledge the statement therein that Rule
    804(b)(6) “codifies” the common law rule. See United States v.
    Natson, No. 4:05–cr–21 (M.D. Ga. November 22, 2006); Grayson v.
    Carey, No. CIV S–03–1694–MCE–KJM (August 9, 2006) (findings
    and recommendations by United States Magistrate Judge Kimberly
    J. Mueller), adopted by district court, No. 2:03–cv–1694–MCE–KJM
    (September 8, 2006); People v. Vasquez, No. 04CA0729 (Colo. App.
    November 30, 2006), cert. granted, No. 07SC50 (March 26, 2007);
    State v. Brooks, No. W2004–02834–CCA–R3–CD (Tenn. Crim. App.
    August 31, 2006), appeal granted, No. W2004–02834–SC–R11–CD
    (January 22,                2007).         But      see     Brooks,
    No.W2004–02834–CCA–R3–CD (Tipton, J., concurring and
    dissenting) (noting this language from Davis and stating that “if
    Justice Scalia’s statement in Davis regarding the rule codifying the
    doctrine represents his usual clarity, I do not think we can ignore the
    defendant’s intent in considering whether the forfeiture doctrine
    applies”). Second, so far as our research has discerned, every case
    holding intent irrelevant has involved the defendant’s murdering the
    witness. As our appellate court has observed, “the prevailing view, in
    situations other than the unique situation detailed above, [is that] the
    intent or motive of a defendant in engaging in the conduct he does is
    relevant to whether the forfeiture by wrongdoing rule is invoked.”
    
    Melchor, 362 Ill. App. 3d at 351
    .2 The reason that it is nevertheless
    accurate to state that the majority of cases have found intent irrelevant
    is simply a numbers game–most cases to consider the question have
    involved the murder of the witness. 
    Henderson, 35 Kan. App. 2d at 253
    , 29 P.3d at 654-55, appeal granted, No. 04–92251–AS
    (September 19, 2006).
    2
    Of particular relevance to this case, intent has been required in
    prosecutions for domestic violence (State v. Wright, No. AO3–1197 (Minn.
    January 25, 2007)), a type of case which Davis acknowledged is
    “notoriously susceptible to intimidation or coercion of the victim to ensure
    she does not testify at trial” (Davis, 547 U.S. at ___, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 243-
    
    44, 126 S. Ct. at 2279-80
    ), as well as child sexual abuse (State v.
    Henderson, 
    35 Kan. App. 2d 241
    , 253, 
    129 P.3d 646
    , 655 (2006), appeal
    granted, No. 04–92251–AS (September 19, 2006)), the type of crime at
    issue in the instant case.
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    Moreover, although the above authority is distinguishable on the
    bases we have discussed, it might also be reconcilable with the
    general rule that intent is required. Notwithstanding that some cases
    contain broader language, the above cases have essentially held that
    the prosecution need not prove that the defendant committed murder
    with the intent of procuring the victim’s absence. This is consistent
    with presuming such intent when the wrongdoing at issue is murder.
    When a defendant commits murder, notwithstanding any protestation
    that he did not specifically intend to procure the victim’s inability to
    testify at a subsequent trial, he will nonetheless be sure that this
    would be a result of his actions. Murder is, in this sense, different
    from any other wrongdoing in which a defendant could engage with
    respect to a witness–more than a possibility, or a substantial
    likelihood, a defendant knows with absolute certainty that a murder
    victim will not be available to testify. Although we express no
    opinion on the topic, as it is not before us on this appeal, the total
    certainty that a murdered witness will be unavailable to testify could
    theoretically support presuming intent in the context of murder, while
    requiring proof of intent in all other situations.
    Regardless, we find the cases involving murder distinguishable.
    As our appellate court has noted, outside of the context of murder, the
    authorities uniformly require proof of intent. See Melchor, 362 Ill.
    App. 3d at 351. Our review of Reynolds and Davis leads us to agree
    with this conclusion. Accordingly, we hold that the State must prove
    that the defendant intended by his actions to procure the witness’
    absence to invoke the doctrine of forfeiture by wrongdoing.
    The State argues, however, that even if intent is relevant, the
    doctrine still ought to be applied in the case at bar because defendant
    did indeed intentionally procure the witness’ absence. The State notes
    that both the victim’s mother and Grote testified that the victim had
    told them defendant had warned her not to recount the incident. The
    victim’s mother said that the victim told her that defendant had said
    he would hurt her if she discussed it. Although defendant only
    specifically cautioned the victim against telling her mother about the
    incident, the State argues that defendant’s threats and warnings were
    intended to and did intimidate the victim generally, as evinced by the
    victim’s statements to Machonkin that she did not want to testify
    because, in part, she was “scared.”
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    There is sufficient evidence here that we cannot dismiss this
    argument out of hand. However, the applicability of the forfeiture-by-
    wrongdoing rule requires a factual determination that this court is ill-
    equipped to make in the first instance. The State did not rely on the
    theory of forfeiture by wrongdoing at trial because the circuit court
    ruled the evidence admissible–and because, of course, Crawford was
    not decided until this case was already on appeal. But if defendant is
    to be permitted to raise his confrontation clause claim for the first
    time on appeal, the State must equally be permitted to raise the
    responsive argument of forfeiture by wrongdoing. Accordingly, we
    believe the appropriate procedure is to remand the cause to the circuit
    court for a hearing on forfeiture by wrongdoing.
    The Supreme Court has given some guidance regarding such
    hearings. Although the Court has not itself explicitly endorsed a
    specific burden of proof, the Court did note in Davis that both federal
    and state courts tend to hold that the State’s burden of proof in a
    hearing on forfeiture by wrongdoing is a preponderance of the
    evidence. Davis, 547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    244, 126 S. Ct. at 2280
    . The Court also observed with apparent approval a state court
    ruling permitting consideration of “ ‘hearsay evidence, including the
    unavailable witness’s out-of-court statements’ ” at such hearings.
    Davis, 547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    244, 126 S. Ct. at 2280
    ,
    quoting 
    Edwards, 444 Mass. at 545
    , 830 N.E.2d at 174. We agree
    with both of these propositions, and direct that they be followed on
    remand.
    However, it would be a waste of judicial resources for us to
    remand without first considering the merits of the underlying
    confrontation clause claim. The issue has been fully briefed before
    this court, and if the confrontation clause claim is invalid, after all,
    there is no reason for the circuit court to waste judicial resources in
    attempting to evaluate whether defendant waived it. Accordingly, we
    turn to the merits of defendant’s confrontation clause claims.
    3. Merits
    a. General Analytical Framework
    After Crawford, a testimonial statement of a witness who does
    not testify at trial is never admissible unless (1) the witness is
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    unavailable to testify, and (2) the defendant had a prior opportunity
    for cross-examination. 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 53
    -54, 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at
    
    194, 124 S. Ct. at 1365
    . Moreover, Davis made clear that the
    confrontation clause has no application to nontestimonial statements.
    Davis, 547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    237, 126 S. Ct. at 2273
    (“It is
    the testimonial character of the statement that separates it from other
    hearsay that, while subject to traditional limitations upon hearsay
    evidence, is not subject to the Confrontation Clause” (emphasis
    added)); Davis, 547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    238, 126 S. Ct. at 2274
    (noting that Crawford had “suggested” that the confrontation
    clause applies only to testimonial hearsay and stating that “[a]
    limitation so clearly reflected in the text of the constitutional
    provision must fairly be said to mark out not merely its ‘core,’ but its
    perimeter”).
    Thus, the threshold question in confrontation clause analysis is,
    Are the statements at issue “testimonial”? If not, the confrontation
    clause places no restriction on their introduction (although they are
    still subject to “traditional limitations upon hearsay evidence” (see
    Davis, 547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    237, 126 S. Ct. at 2273
    )). If
    the statements are testimonial, the next question is, Will the declarant
    testify? If so, the confrontation clause again places no restriction on
    the introduction of the declarant’s prior hearsay statements, as the
    defendant will have the opportunity to cross-examine–confront–the
    declarant. 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 59
    n.9, 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 197 
    n.9, 124 S. Ct. at 1369
    n.9. Finally, if the statements are testimonial and the
    declarant will not testify, then the statements are inadmissible unless
    both (a) the declarant is unavailable to testify, and (b) the defendant
    had a prior opportunity to cross-examine the declarant. 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 53
    -54, 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    194, 124 S. Ct. at 1365
    .
    b. “Testimonial Statements”
    The Court has thus far declined to define a “testimonial”
    statement. 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 68
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    203, 124 S. Ct. at 1374
    . Rather, as previously noted, the Court’s approach has been
    to steer away from generalized, abstract pronouncements and instead
    to focus on the particular statements under consideration.
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    However, although Crawford “did not set forth a detailed
    framework for addressing whether a statement is ‘testimonial’ ”
    (Davis, 547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    246, 126 S. Ct. at 2282
    (Thomas, J., concurring in the judgment and dissenting in part)), the
    Court did analyze the text of the confrontation clause itself, and in so
    doing suggested a two-part test for determining when a statement is
    testimonial. The Court began with the language of the confrontation
    clause, noting that it gives a defendant the right to be “confronted
    with the witnesses against him.” The Court looked to an early version
    of Webster’s dictionary, which defined “witnesses” as those who
    “ ‘bear testimony.’ ” 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 51
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    192, 124 S. Ct. at 1364
    , quoting 1 N. Webster, An American Dictionary of
    the English Language (1828). In turn, the Court noted, “testimony”
    was defined as a “ ‘solemn declaration or affirmation made for the
    purpose of establishing or proving some fact.’ ” 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 51
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    192, 124 S. Ct. at 1364
    , quoting 1 N. Webster,
    An American Dictionary of the English Language (1828). Thus, those
    “witnesses” whom the confrontation clause gives a defendant the
    right to confront are those who bear “testimony,” i.e., solemn
    declarations for the purpose of establishing or proving some fact
    germane to the defendant’s prosecution.3
    a) Solemnity
    Thus, there would appear to be two components to a “testimonial”
    statement. First, it must be made in solemn fashion. 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 51
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    192, 124 S. Ct. at 1364
    ; Davis, 547 U.S.
    at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    240, 126 S. Ct. at 2276
    (quoting Crawford and
    noting that “[t]he solemnity of even an oral declaration of relevant
    3
    Although the Court did not dwell overly long on this formulation in
    Crawford, it does appear clear that the Court intended this discussion as a
    textual analysis of the confrontation clause. See 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 42
    -
    43, 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    187, 124 S. Ct. at 1359
    (referring to above discussion
    as an understanding of the meaning of the phrase “witnesses against”). The
    importance of the discussion is further illustrated by the fact that the Court
    repeatedly returned to this definition and its two components in its
    subsequent discussions of “testimonial.” See generally Davis, 547 U.S. __,
    
    165 L. Ed. 2d 224
    , 
    126 S. Ct. 2266
    .
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    past fact to an investigating officer is well enough established by the
    severe consequences that can attend a deliberate falsehood”). In fact,
    the requirement of solemnity is a matter with regard to which the
    Davis majority and dissent were in agreement. See Davis, 547 U.S.
    at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    246, 126 S. Ct. at 2282
    (Thomas, J.,
    concurring in the judgment and dissenting in part) (“the plain terms
    of the ‘testimony’ definition we endorsed [in Crawford] necessarily
    require some degree of solemnity before a statement can be deemed
    ‘testimonial’ ”). The majority and dissent differed on whether the
    statements at issue in that case satisfied the solemnity requirement,
    with the majority reasoning that solemnity was established by the
    potential “severe consequences” of lying to a police officer (Davis,
    547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    240, 126 S. Ct. at 2276
    ), whereas the
    dissent would have required the statements to be made in a setting
    with a higher degree of formality, possibly only if Miranda warnings
    had been issued (Davis, 547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    246-47, 126 S. Ct. at 2282-83
    (Thomas, J., concurring in the judgment and
    dissenting in part)).
    b) Intended to Establish a Particular Fact
    The second requirement is that the statement must be intended to
    establish a particular fact. With respect to this requirement, the focus
    is on whether, at the time the statement was made, the witness was
    acting in a manner analogous to a witness at trial, describing or giving
    information regarding events which had previously occurred. See
    Davis, 547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    237, 126 S. Ct. at 2273-74
    (statements in response to police questioning are nontestimonial when
    primary purpose of questioning is to “enable police assistance to meet
    an ongoing emergency”; responses to police questions are testimonial
    when “there is no such ongoing emergency, and [ ] the primary
    purpose of the interrogation is to establish or prove past events
    potentially relevant to later criminal prosecution”); Davis, 547 U.S.
    at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    242, 126 S. Ct. at 2278
    (statements which,
    after the fact, “deliberately recounted, in response to police
    questioning, how potentially criminal past events began and
    progressed,” are testimonial “because they do precisely what a
    witness does on direct examination” (emphasis in original)).
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    1) Intent of Questioner vs. Intent of Declarant
    Regarding this second prong, the parties differ on whose
    perspective–whose “intent”–is dispositive. Defendant argues that a
    statement is testimonial if it is elicited “for the primary purpose of
    obtaining evidence with which to prosecute the offender.” In other
    words, defendant would have us look to the perspective, the intent, of
    the person eliciting the statement. The State, by contrast, urges us to
    focus exclusively on the perspective of the declarant. In the State’s
    view, the objective circumstances at the time that a testimonial
    statement is given must be such that the declarant would reasonably
    expect that his statements might be used in future judicial
    proceedings–that he would recognize that he is, in effect, “bearing
    witness” against the accused.
    Each approach has its difficulties. Defendant’s exclusive focus on
    the intent of the listener raises the obvious problem of statements
    which were not “elicited.” For example, although in Crawford the
    Court described the trial of Sir Walter Raleigh as one of the “most
    notorious instances” of the type of abuse against which the
    Confrontation Clause was designed to defend 
    (Crawford, 541 U.S. at 44
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    188, 124 S. Ct. at 1360
    ), Davis acknowledged
    that Lord Cobham’s letter against Raleigh “was plainly not the result
    of sustained questioning” (emphasis omitted) (Davis, 547 U.S. at __
    n.1, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 237 
    n.1, 126 S. Ct. at 2274
    n.1). The State’s
    exclusive focus on the declarant’s intent, on the other hand, could
    lend itself to abuse by the State, by increasing use of statements
    gathered without the declarant’s knowledge–for instance undercover
    interviews of witnesses.
    a) Statements Produced Through Police Interrogation
    Crawford and Davis have begun to map out the contours of
    “whose intent matters.” Because both cases involved statements
    produced by police interrogations, the matter is clearer in that context.
    In Crawford, the Court stated that “Statements taken by police
    officers in the course of interrogations are [] testimonial under even
    a narrow standard.” 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 52
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    193, 124 S. Ct. at 1364
    . This broad formulation is devoid of reference to
    the intent of the declarant, which implies that rather than the
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    declarant’s intent, the police intent to obtain information for
    prosecution is all that is relevant. In Davis, the Court explained that
    this was precisely its meaning:
    “When we said in Crawford [citation] that ‘interrogations by
    law enforcement officers fall squarely within [the] class’ of
    testimonial hearsay, we had immediately in mind (for that was
    the case before us) interrogations solely directed at
    establishing the facts of a past crime, in order to identify (or
    provide evidence to convict) the perpetrator.” Davis, 547 U.S.
    at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    239-40, 126 S. Ct. at 2276
    .
    In Davis, the Court recognized that not all police interrogations were
    for the purposes of gathering information for prosecution, however,
    and modified the broad rule it announced in Crawford:
    “Statements are nontestimonial when made in the course of
    police interrogation under circumstances objectively
    indicating that the primary purpose of the interrogation is to
    enable police assistance to meet an ongoing emergency. They
    are testimonial when the circumstances objectively indicate
    that there is no such ongoing emergency, and that the primary
    purpose of the interrogation is to establish or prove past
    events potentially relevant to later criminal prosecution.”
    Davis, 547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    237, 126 S. Ct. at 2273-74
    .
    The Court also noted that police focus could potentially shift from
    emergency assistance to future prosecution, such that during the
    course of a given interrogation some statements in response to
    questioning could be testimonial and others not. Davis, 547 U.S. at
    __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    241, 126 S. Ct. at 2277
    . See also In re T.T., 
    351 Ill. App. 3d 976
    , 992-93 (2004) (holding that child’s statements to
    doctor for the purpose of medical diagnosis and treatment were
    nontestimonial, but identification of attacker in same interview was
    testimonial).
    It is clear, therefore, that when the statements under consideration
    are the product of questioning by the police (or those whose “acts
    [are] acts of the police” (Davis, 547 U.S. at __ n.2, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at
    238 
    n.2, 126 S. Ct. at 2274
    n.2)), we must focus on the intent of the
    questioner in eliciting the statement. Moreover, our evaluation of that
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    intent must rely on objective circumstances, not testimony from the
    officer as to his actual subjective intent. Davis, 547 U.S. at __, 165 L.
    Ed. 2d at 
    237, 126 S. Ct. at 2273-74
    .
    b) Suggested Requirement of Police Involvement
    The Court has not yet had occasion to apply the confrontation
    clause to statements other than those made in response to police
    interrogation. Indeed, the Court left open the questions not only
    “when” but “whether” statements made to persons other than law
    enforcement personnel are “testimonial.” (Emphasis added.) Davis,
    547 U.S. at __ n.2, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 238 
    n.2, 126 S. Ct. at 2274
    n.2.
    Stepping into the breach, the State argues that only statements
    made to law enforcement personnel can be testimonial. In support of
    its government-involvement requirement, the State points to
    Crawford’s focus on the historical background of the confrontation
    clause in determining the clause’s original meaning. Based on this
    historical review, Crawford arrived at a narrow list of four “modern
    practices with closest kinship to the abuses at which the
    Confrontation Clause was directed.” 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 68
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    203, 124 S. Ct. at 1374
    . These practices included: “prior
    testimony at a preliminary hearing, before a grand jury, or at a former
    trial; and *** police interrogations.” 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 68
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    203, 124 S. Ct. at 1374
    . The State argues that a statement
    is testimonial only “if it is produced by virtue of one of these ‘modern
    practices,’ ” each of which features government involvement in the
    production of a testimonial statement. In the State’s view, “statements
    made to nongovernment officials simply cannot constitute
    ‘testimonial’ statements under the Crawford paradigm.” We disagree.
    In listing the “modern practices” to which the State refers,
    Crawford stated:
    “We leave for another day any effort to spell out a
    comprehensive definition of ‘testimonial.’ Whatever else the
    term covers, it applies at a minimum to prior testimony at a
    preliminary hearing, before a grand jury, or at a former trial;
    and to police interrogations. These are the modern practices
    with closest kinship to the abuses at which the Confrontation
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    Clause was directed.” (Emphasis added.) 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 68
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    203, 124 S. Ct. at 1374
    .
    This passage clearly states that the term “testimonial” applies, at a
    minimum, to these “modern practices.” By prefacing this assertion
    with the phrase, “Whatever else the term covers,” the Court implies
    that “testimonial” could include statements generated in ways other
    than these “modern practices.” The State’s assertion that a testimonial
    statement must have been produced by virtue of one of these practices
    finds no support in this passage in Crawford.
    Moreover, while there is language in Crawford emphasizing the
    role of government officers in creating testimony, Crawford imposes
    no per se rule that a testimonial statement must be made to a
    government agent. R. Friedman, Grappling With the Meaning of
    “Testimonial”, 71 Brook. L. Rev. 241, 262 (2005). Nor does Davis,
    which specifically cautioned that the Court’s opinion ought not to be
    read as implying that statements in the absence of police interrogation
    are “necessarily nontestimonial.” Davis, 547 U.S. at __ n.1, 165 L.
    Ed. 2d at 237 
    n.1, 126 S. Ct. at 2274
    n.1.
    Indeed, the trial of Sir Walter Raleigh suggests the opposite
    conclusion. As previously noted, part of the evidence against Raleigh
    was a letter by Lord Cobham, which “was plainly not the result of
    sustained questioning.” (Emphasis omitted.) Davis, 547 U.S. at __
    n.1, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 237 
    n.1, 126 S. Ct. at 2274
    n.1. Nevertheless,
    Crawford cited the Raleigh trial as a “notorious” example of the civil
    law abuses against which the confrontation clause was directed
    
    (Crawford, 541 U.S. at 44
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    188, 124 S. Ct. at 1360
    ),
    abuses characterized by the admission of “testimonial” out-of-court
    statements as evidence against the accused, without benefit of cross-
    examination.
    There is an additional objection to the State’s requirement of
    government involvement. The State’s argument relies heavily on the
    premise that there is a strong historical basis for such a requirement.
    But learned historians have described the theory that there must be
    government involvement as “profoundly ahistorical.” R. Friedman &
    B. McCormack, Dial-In Testimony, 150 U. Pa. L. Rev. 1171, 1248
    (2002). In England, state prosecutors did not become the norm for
    ordinary crime until the nineteenth century. Friedman, 71 Brook. L.
    Rev. at 261. Prior to that time, most prosecutions were private
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    lawsuits. 150 U. Pa. L. Rev. at 1248. “Until the state assumed the
    management of crime in the nineteenth century and professional
    police forces took over the pursuit and apprehension of suspects, the
    gathering of evidence, and the preparation of cases *** these matters
    were left largely to the private initiative of the victim.” J.M. Beattie,
    Crime and the Courts in England 1660-1800 35 (1986). And “the
    right to confront was established long before [the nineteenth century];
    indeed, in the sixteenth century Thomas Smith described the criminal
    trial as an ‘altercation’ between accuser and accused.” Friedman, 71
    Brook. L. Rev. at 261. Thus the State’s main argument in support of
    its requirement of government involvement–that this requirement was
    rooted in historical practice that predated the adoption of the sixth
    amendment–has little basis in legal history.
    Notwithstanding the foregoing, the State points to decisions
    where, according to the State, the courts concluded that “statements
    made to nongovernment officials simply cannot constitute
    ‘testimonial’ statements under the Crawford paradigm.” Many of
    these decisions deal only cursorily with the issue of whether a
    testimonial statement requires government involvement. These
    decisions contain little, if any, analysis regarding this question, and
    we find them unpersuasive.
    A decision cited by the State that does contain some analysis of
    this issue is United States v. Savoca, 
    335 F. Supp. 2d 385
    (S.D.N.Y.
    2004). There, a defendant sought to exclude statements given by his
    codefendant to his live-in girlfriend. The court concluded that the
    statements were not testimonial and therefore were not barred under
    Crawford. The court cited several reasons for this conclusion, one of
    which was that the statements were not made to a government
    official. According to the court, Crawford was meant to apply only to
    testimonial statements that were “made in the context of some
    governmental action.” 
    Savoca, 335 F. Supp. 2d at 392
    . The court
    based this conclusion on the premise that all of the examples of
    testimonial statements listed in Crawford were “made to an authority
    figure in an authoritarian environment.” 
    Savoca, 335 F. Supp. 2d at 393
    .
    We disagree with Savoca’s premise and reasoning. First, even if
    the premise were correct, and all of the examples did share the trait
    the court observed, they were merely examples–the Court never stated
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    any governmental involvement requirement and indeed, in Davis,
    made clear that it had not done so. See Davis, 547 U.S. at __ n.2, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 238 
    n.2, 126 S. Ct. at 2274
    n.2 (“our holding today makes
    it unnecessary to consider whether and when statements made to
    someone other than law enforcement personnel are ‘testimonial’ ”).
    Moreover, we disagree with Savoca’s premise that all of the examples
    are statements “made to an authority figure in an authoritarian
    environment” (
    Savoca, 335 F. Supp. 2d at 393
    ), because one of the
    examples was a simple affidavit. Surely, although some notaries
    public might be “authority figures” they certainly are not all, nor do
    they all work in environments which can fairly be described as
    “authoritarian.” The universal rule Savoca sought to infer simply is
    not there.
    The Court has not as yet given any indication that testimonial
    statements must be made to a government officer, and our own
    review of the authorities and the historical background–specifically
    Raleigh’s case–leads us to the conclusion that statements can be
    testimonial even if not made directly to agents of the state.
    c) Statements Made Outside of Police Interrogation
    Accordingly, the question remains how to determine whether
    statements are testimonial when they are made outside this context.
    We believe that the only proper focus is on the declarant’s intent:
    Would the objective circumstances have led a reasonable person to
    conclude that their statement could be used against the defendant?
    The Davis Court’s focus on the interrogator’s motive when the
    statements are the product of police interrogation is not inconsistent
    with focusing on the intent or motive of the declarant in other cases.
    See, e.g., State v. Scachetti, 
    711 N.W.2d 508
    , 513 (Minn. 2006)
    (central question is “ ‘whether either a declarant or a government
    questioner is acting, to a substantial degree, in order to produce a
    statement for trial’ ”), quoting State v. Bobadilla, 
    709 N.W.2d 243
    ,
    252 (Minn. 2006). Davis itself made clear that even with regards to
    questions elicited in the course of a police interrogation, “it is in the
    final analysis the declarant’s statements, not the interrogator’s
    questions, that the Confrontation Clause requires us to evaluate.”
    Davis, 547 U.S. at __ n.1, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 237 
    n.1, 126 S. Ct. at 2274
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    n.1. Moreover, it is important to remember that in Davis the Court
    was dealing only with statements produced in response to police
    questioning. The Court clearly left for another day any discussion of
    rules for evaluating “whether and when statements made to someone
    other than law enforcement personnel” (Davis, 547 U.S. at __ n.2,
    
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 238 
    n.2, 126 S. Ct. at 2274
    n.2) or statements “made
    in the absence of any interrogation” (Davis, 547 U.S. at __ n.1, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 237 
    n.1, 126 S. Ct. at 2274
    n.1) might be “testimonial.”
    We believe that by focusing on the interrogator’s intent, the Court
    was most likely acknowledging the reality that when a declarant is
    supplying information in response to direct police questioning, the
    declarant is rarely “in the driver’s seat.” Although ultimately it is the
    declarant’s intent to which the confrontation clause looks, it is
    governmental abuse against which the clause is designed to guard.
    Thus, given that the ultimate question is whether the statement is
    being made “ ‘for the purpose of establishing or proving some fact’ ”
    (
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 51
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    193, 124 S. Ct. at 1364
    ,
    quoting 1 N. Webster, An American Dictionary of the English
    Language (1828)), like “what a witness does on direct examination”
    (emphasis omitted) (Davis, 547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    242, 126 S. Ct. at 2278
    ), it is the government’s motives that are paramount
    when the government is directly involved in eliciting the statements
    at issue. This does not determine the proper focus when evaluating
    statements other than those produced by a government interrogation,
    however.
    Before Davis was decided, many authorities concluded that the
    declarant’s intent was paramount in all evaluations of whether a
    statement was testimonial. Authorities have noted that at least two of
    the three proposed definitions of “testimonial” in Crawford focus on
    the declarant’s perspective in giving the statement. See, e.g., M.
    Raeder, Remember the Ladies and the Children Too: Crawford’s
    Impact on Domestic Violence and Child Abuse Cases, 71 Brook. L.
    Rev. 311, 318 (2005); cf. People v. Vigil, 
    127 P.3d 916
    , 925 (Colo.
    2006) ( “the ‘common nucleus’ shared by the Supreme Court’s three
    formulations of testimonial evidence [citation] centers upon the
    declarant’s reasonable expectations”). The declarant-centered
    approach is favored by Professor Richard Friedman of the University
    of Michigan Law School, one of the scholars whose works Crawford
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    relied upon (see, e.g., 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 61
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    198, 124 S. Ct. at 1370
    ) “in framing its re-definition of the Confrontation
    Clause.” United States v. Cromer, 
    389 F.3d 662
    , 673 (6th Cir. 2004).
    Friedman, who has been closely associated with the testimonial
    approach to the confrontation clause 
    (Cromer, 389 F.3d at 673
    ),
    argues in favor of a definition of “testimonial” based on the
    declarant’s anticipation that the statement would likely be used in
    prosecution. Friedman, 71 Brook. L. Rev. at 251-52, 255-59.
    Friedman asserts: “To be testimonial, it must appear from the
    perspective of the witness that the statement is transmitting
    information that will, to a significant probability, be used in
    prosecution.” Friedman, 71 Brook. L. Rev. at 259.
    An earlier version of this definition was adopted by the Sixth
    Circuit Court of Appeals in Cromer. After referring to pre-Crawford
    work by Friedman, Cromer concluded that his proposed definition of
    “testimonial” was “both well-reasoned and wholly consistent with the
    purpose behind the Confrontation Clause.” 
    Cromer, 389 F.3d at 674
    .
    According to Cromer, the “proper inquiry” in a testimonial analysis
    “is whether the declarant intends to bear testimony against the
    accused.” 
    Cromer, 389 F.3d at 675
    . This intent, Cromer held, “may
    be determined by querying whether a reasonable person in the
    declarant’s position would anticipate his statement being used against
    the accused in investigating and prosecuting the crime.” 
    Cromer, 389 F.3d at 675
    . See also 
    Vigil, 127 P.3d at 925
    (quoting favorably
    Cromer’s explanation of this “proper inquiry”) (collecting cases).
    We agree with Professor Friedman and the Cromer court that
    outside of the context of statements produced in response to
    government interrogation, it is the declarant’s perspective which is
    paramount in a testimonial analysis.
    1) Objective Manifestations vs. Subjective Intent
    However, even in this context we believe Davis can offer some
    guidance. There, the Court did not look to the actual subjective intent
    of the police officer conducting the interrogation leading to the
    statements in question. Rather, the Court clearly stated that the proper
    inquiry is what “the circumstances objectively indicate” the purpose
    of the interrogation to be. Davis, 547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 237,
    
    -36- 126 S. Ct. at 2273-74
    . There is no reason to believe that the
    applicability of the confrontation clause would depend on objective
    manifestations of intent when the statement is the product of police
    interrogation but would depend on actual subjective intent outside of
    this context. Accordingly, in our view, the proper question is not
    whether the declarant actually did intend or foresee that his statement
    would be used in prosecution. Rather, the question is whether the
    objective circumstances indicate that a reasonable person in the
    declarant’s position would have anticipated that his statement likely
    would be used in prosecution. See 
    Cromer, 389 F.3d at 675
    ;
    Friedman, 71 Brook. L. Rev. at 252.
    2) Child Declarants
    The fact that the instant case involves a child declarant
    complicates the issue, however. See Lagunas v. State, 
    187 S.W.3d 503
    , 519 (Tex. Ct. App. 2005) (“Courts around the nation have
    struggled with the application of Crawford to child witnesses”).
    Application of the objective approach to child witnesses raises the
    question of whether the child’s age ought to be taken into account. In
    other words, when we speak of an “objective person” in the
    declarant’s position, does that mean an objective witness the same
    age as the child, or an objective adult? There is authority for both
    views. One case holding that age should not enter into the equation
    is 
    Sisavath, 118 Cal. App. 4th at 1402
    n.3, 13 Cal. Rptr. 3d at 758 
    n.3
    (rejecting the notion that “an ‘objective witness’ should be taken to
    mean an objective witness in the same category of persons as the
    actual witness–here, an objective four year old”). Citing Sisavath, the
    Maryland Court of Appeals has also concluded that a child’s age
    should not play a part in resolving whether a statement is testimonial.
    See State v. Snowden, 
    385 Md. 64
    , 90-91, 
    867 A.2d 314
    , 329 (2005)
    (concluding that “an objective test, using an objective person, rather
    than an objective child of that age, is the appropriate test for
    determining whether a statement is testimonial in nature”).
    Both Snowden and Sisavath based their holdings on the important
    rights of criminal defendants which the confrontation clause serves
    to protect. However, the statements at issue in both cases were made
    in response to structured questioning which was clearly intended to
    produce testimony for trial. In Sisavath, for instance,
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    “[The interview] took place after a prosecution was initiated,
    was attended by the prosecutor and the prosecutor’s
    investigator, and was conducted by a person trained in
    forensic interviewing. Under these circumstances, it does not
    matter what the government’s actual intent was in setting up
    the interview, where the interview took place, or who
    employed the interviewer. It was eminently reasonable to
    expect that the interview would be available for use at trial.”
    
    Sisavath, 118 Cal. App. 4th at 1403
    , 13 Cal. Rptr. 3d at 758.
    Similarly, in Snowden,
    “[The interviewer’s] participation in this matter was
    initiated, and conducted, as part of a formal law enforcement
    investigation. The children were interviewed at the behest of
    Detective Davey of the Montgomery County Police
    Department, who was actively involved in the investigation.
    ***
    *** Any argument as to the logistics or style of the
    interviews blatantly disregards the undeniable fact that the
    express purpose of bringing the children to the facility to be
    interviewed was to develop their testimony for possible use at
    trial.” (Emphasis added.) 
    Snowden, 385 Md. at 84-85
    , 867
    A.2d at 325-26.
    Because both Snowden and Sisavath predated Davis, the courts
    focused on the declarant’s intent in making the statements at issue
    and believed that ignoring the declarant’s age was the only way to
    protect the rights of the defendant. In the wake of Davis, however, the
    “objective circumstances” of the statements at issue in those cases
    would almost certainly lead courts to their being found testimonial
    without looking to the declarant’s intent. Accordingly, we find
    Sisavath and Snowden to be of minimal guidance. After Davis, the
    means those courts chose–to disregard the age of the declarant–is no
    longer required to achieve the end the courts sought to serve–to
    protect the confrontation clause rights of defendants when police or
    their proxies question child victims.
    On the other hand, numerous courts have held that in the case of
    a child’s statement, age is among the circumstances which are
    relevant to evaluating whether the declarant would have reasonably
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    anticipated that his statement would be available for use at
    subsequent trial. See, e.g., 
    Scachetti, 711 N.W.2d at 514
    (victim’s
    statements in earlier case were not testimonial because “the three-
    year-old victim was not acting to preserve testimony for trial because
    children of that age are ‘simply unable to understand the legal system
    and the consequences of statements made during the legal process’ ”),
    quoting 
    Bobadilla, 709 N.W.2d at 255-56
    ; 
    Vigil, 127 P.3d at 925
    (“an
    assessment of whether or not a reasonable person in the position of
    the declarant would believe a statement would be available for use at
    a later trial involves an analysis of the expectations of a reasonable
    person in the position of the declarant. Expectations derive from
    circumstances, and, among other circumstances, a person’s age is a
    pertinent characteristic for analysis”); In re D.L., 2005–Ohio–2320,
    ¶20 (a child’s statements are testimonial under Crawford if “ ‘the
    circumstances surrounding the contested statements led the three-
    year-old to reasonably believe her disclosures would be available for
    use at a later trial, or that the circumstances would lead a reasonable
    child of her age to have that expectation’ [citation]”); 
    Lagunas, 187 S.W.3d at 519
    (holding that a child’s age and emotional state are
    factors to be considered in determining whether her statements were
    testimonial); State v. Brigman, 
    171 N.C. App. 305
    , 312-13, 
    615 S.E.2d 21
    , 25-26 (2005) (taking child’s age into account in
    determining that her statements were nontestimonial).
    In addition to the above authority, Professor Friedman has written
    directly on the issue of child witnesses:
    “the younger and less mature and understanding a child is, the
    less likely her statement should be considered testimonial,
    subject to the Confrontation Clause, and therefore, all other
    things being equal, the more likely the statement should be
    admitted. This conclusion, however, is really not paradoxical
    at all. Even statements by very young children may be highly
    probative. But very young children are not yet at a stage
    where they can be expected to take the responsibility of being
    a witness–the responsibility of speaking under oath, subject
    to questioning by the accused, under the implicit injunction,
    ‘Look me in the eye and say that.’ With respect to very young
    children–I will not try to say here just how young–we should
    admit their statements for what they are worth, without
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    pretending that the children have the capacity to act like
    adults.” (Emphasis omitted.) R. Friedman, The Conundrum of
    Children, Confrontation, and Hearsay, 65 Law & Contemp.
    Prob. 243, 251-52 (2002).
    In accordance with the weight of authority, as well as Professor
    Friedman’s analysis, we believe that the better view is to treat the
    child’s age as one of the objective circumstances to be taken into
    account in determining whether a reasonable person in his or her
    circumstances would have understood that their statement would be
    available for use at a later trial.
    Like other courts which have considered the issue of what makes
    a statement testimonial, we believe it would be fruitless to attempt to
    provide an exhaustive list of factors which may potentially enter into
    the “testimonial” calculus and the weight to be accorded them. See,
    e.g., United States v. Summers, 
    414 F.3d 1287
    , 1302 (10th Cir. 2005);
    
    T.T., 351 Ill. App. 3d at 991-92
    (“Vague standards are manipulable,
    and *** if the State could simply use the surrogate testimony of social
    workers provided that certain formalities–like a scheduled interview
    at a government office in a question-and-answer format–were absent,
    then prosecutors would have less motivation to acclimate the child
    witness to the courtroom setting”). As Crawford and Davis make
    clear, this determination must be made on a case-by-case basis. Each
    case must be resolved on its own merits, and a pertinent factor in one
    case may not carry much weight in another. In this case, because the
    parties differ on the issue of whether the age of a child declarant may
    ever be taken into consideration, and because there is a divergence of
    opinion on the topic amongst the courts of our sister states, we have
    held that factor may be considered. This is not to say that age will
    necessarily be determinative in every case. We have simply held that
    it is among the circumstances potentially relevant to evaluating
    whether the objective circumstances of the statement would have led
    a reasonable declarant to understand that his or her statement could
    be used in a subsequent prosecution of the defendant.
    c. Application
    We turn now to an examination of the hearsay statements at issue
    in the case at bar to determine whether they are testimonial. As noted,
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    M.M.’s statements to three persons were admitted at trial. Those
    individuals were Joan G., M.M.’s mother; Ann Grote, a nurse/clinical
    specialist in charge of the child-abuse team at Hope Children’s
    Hospital; and Perry Yates, the school social worker at Lawn Manor
    Primary Center, where M.M. was in kindergarten in 1998-99. We first
    review the circumstances under which the statements were made.
    On January 13, 1999, Brenda Galete drove M.M. to Joan’s place
    of employment. Galete went inside to get Joan, and told her that
    M.M. was to be taken to the hospital. Joan went with Galete to the
    car, sat next to to M.M., put her arm around her, and asked her what
    was wrong. M.M. told Joan that “Bob had done something to her.”
    During the drive to the hospital, M.M. described the incident of
    sexual abuse. She also told Joan that her assailant had told M.M. he
    would hurt her if she told her mother about what had happened.
    When they arrived at Christ Hospital, Joan and M.M. went to the
    emergency room. While they were there, Ann Grote, the clinical
    specialist in charge of the hospital’s child-abuse team, came to the
    emergency room and met Joan and M.M. The responsibilities of
    Grote’s position were to receive all referrals regarding any type of
    abuse, “whether it be physical or sexual abuse.” Because there was
    potentially a two- to three-hour wait before M.M. could be examined,
    Grote took Joan and M.M. to her office in another building where
    Grote could speak to M.M., then bring M.M. back to the emergency
    room so she could be examined.
    Joan waited in a nearby area while Grote took M.M. into a
    playroom that was connected to Grote’s office. Grote began her
    interview with M.M. by asking her why she had come to the hospital.
    M.M. said “she was there because of what Bob had done to her.”
    M.M. described for Grote the incident of sexual abuse that she had
    previously described to her mother. M.M. told Grote that she “didn’t
    want to do it” but that Bob “made her do it.” M.M. added that she
    “didn’t like” Bob and she was “mad[ ] at him.” At the conclusion of
    this interview, Grote took Joan and M.M. back to the emergency
    room, where M.M. was then examined by a doctor. After bringing
    M.M. back to the emergency room, Grote informed Joan that she
    would file a report, contact the police, and verify that the Department
    of Children and Family Services was notified.
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    The next day, January 14, 1999, Perry Yates, the social worker at
    M.M.’s school, received a telephone call from Joan G. Yates testified
    that the information Joan gave him “put [him] in a position where
    [he] had to make a mandated report based on the information that the
    mother had given [him].” Yates testified that he “had a legal
    obligation to check it out.” Yates received Joan’s permission to speak
    to M.M. individually, and he brought M.M. to his office, where he
    interviewed her. Yates began the interview by asking M.M., “[W]hat
    can you tell me about Robert Stechly[?]” M.M. then described
    essentially the same incident of sexual abuse that she had recounted
    for Grote and her mother.
    Later that same day, at about 3 p.m., M.M. returned to the hospital
    for another interview with Grote. This interview was observed by an
    assistant State’s Attorney and two police officers, who were seated
    behind a one-way mirror. Grote began the interview by asking M.M.
    if she could remember why she had come to the hospital the previous
    day. M.M. “said she could remember[;] it was because of what Bob
    had done to her.” M.M. again described the incident of sexual abuse.
    At trial, Grote was asked if M.M. told her how she felt at the time of
    the incident. Grote stated: “She said she was mad, she said that she
    didn’t like it, she didn’t want to do it, but he told her she had to.” At
    Grote’s suggestion, M.M. took two anatomically correct dolls,
    undressed the male doll, and demonstrated the actions she had told
    Grote that defendant had forced her to perform.
    We will begin with the clearest case: M.M.’s second conversation
    with Grote. At this time M.M. had already told Grote what happened.
    Based on what she had heard, Grote contacted the police department,
    and then conducted a second interview to review the same facts for
    the benefit of two police officers standing hidden behind a one-way
    mirror. The objective circumstances leave no room for doubt that at
    this time Grote was acting on behalf of the police in order to gather
    information for possible prosecution. Under Davis, this was
    unquestionably a testimonial statement.
    We believe that M.M.’s first conversation with Grote and her
    conversation with Yates were also testimonial statements under
    Davis. Both Grote and Yates conducted their interviews of M.M. after
    Joan apprised them of some of what M.M. had told her–in other
    words, once they were aware that abuse may have occurred. Although
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    Grote was a registered nurse, nothing in the record indicates that she
    conducted the first interview for purposes of treatment in this case.
    Grote did testify that one of her responsibilities was making sure that
    the appropriate follow-up medical procedures took place with the
    alleged child abuse victims in the hospital, but she also testified that
    in this case she told Joan after the first interview only that she would
    be notifying “the appropriate authorities,” i.e., the Department of
    Children and Family Services and the police. Grote testified further
    that after the second interview, she did not know what happened with
    M.M., because her “piece was done.” Yates testified that he only
    initiated the conversation because what Joan told him led him to
    conclude that he “had to make a mandated report” and “had a legal
    obligation to check it out.” The record does not reflect any action by
    either Grote or Yates subsequent to their interviews other than
    informing the Department and/or the police of what they had learned.
    We believe that the objective circumstances indicate that the primary
    purpose of these interviews was to gather information for purposes of
    an investigation and possible prosecution of criminal conduct.
    We do not hold that any person who conducts an interview in
    order to gather information for a possible future prosecution is
    necessarily acting as an “agent of law enforcement” at the time, such
    that his acts may be said to be “acts of the police.” In this case,
    however, we believe that Grote and Yates were so acting. It is
    significant that in this case neither Grote nor Yates appears to have
    taken any action as a result of their interviews of M.M. other than
    contacting the authorities–the Department of Children and Family
    Services, law enforcement, or both. Their interviews appear to have
    been for the sole purpose of gathering information in order to pass it
    along to the authorities.
    Our conclusion is supported by the fact that at the time of their
    interviews of M.M., Grote and Yates were both “mandated reporters.”
    See 325 ILCS 5/4 (West 2000) (mandated reporters include, inter
    alia, any “hospital administrator and personnel engaged in
    examination, care and treatment of persons,” “school personnel,”
    “registered nurse,” and “social worker”). This means that by virtue of
    their positions, they both had a legal obligation, under penalty of
    criminal law, to report to the Department of Children and Family
    Services once they had reasonable cause to believe that a child known
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    to them in their professional capacity was abused or neglected. 325
    ILCS 5/4 (West 2000). Mandated reporters are required to “testify
    fully in any judicial proceeding resulting from such report, as to any
    evidence of abuse or neglect, or the cause thereof.” 325 ILCS 5/10
    (West 2000). Moreover, the Department is required, “to the fullest
    extent possible,” to
    “cooperate with and *** seek the cooperation and
    involvement of all appropriate public and private agencies,
    including *** law enforcement agencies, [and] courts of
    competent jurisdiction ***.” 325 ILCS 5/7.1 (West 2000).
    Thus, by virtue of their status as mandated reporters both Yates and
    Grote were legally required to report to the Department and then to
    testify, and the Department itself was also required to cooperate with
    law enforcement. These facts substantially buttress our conclusion
    that in this case, in conducting their interviews of the victim M.M.,
    Grote and Yates were acting as agents of law enforcement for
    purposes of confrontation clause analysis. See 
    T.T., 351 Ill. App. 3d at 989-91
    (taking into account statutes governing mandated reporters
    in holding that child’s statement to social worker was testimonial for
    purposes of confrontation clause analysis). We are not holding that
    every mandated reporter acts as an agent of law enforcement in every
    interview, but merely that Grote’s and Yates’ status as mandated
    reporters supports our conclusion in this case based on the fact that
    their actions appear to have had no other purpose than to obtain
    information to pass on to the authorities.
    However, M.M.’s statement to her mother is of a different nature.
    First, Joan was not acting as an agent of law enforcement. According
    to Joan’s testimony, at the time this statement was made, Joan had
    only been told that her daughter needed to go to the hospital. Joan
    immediately left work and was sitting next to M.M. in the backseat
    of the car on the way there. When Joan asked M.M. “what happened,”
    she surely would only have feared hearing how her child had been
    injured. Nothing suggests that Joan would have had any hint that
    M.M.’s response would recount a criminal act. Even assuming that
    Galete’s contrary version of events was true, and that Galete did tell
    Joan of M.M.’s allegation of abuse before the ride to the hospital, we
    believe Joan’s primary motivation was simple parental concern. On
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    the facts of this case, Joan was in no way acting on behalf of law
    enforcement, attempting to gather evidence for a future prosecution.
    Accordingly, we must look at the statement from the perspective
    of M.M., the declarant. M.M. was five years old. She was sitting next
    to her mother in the backseat of a car on a ride to a hospital. Her
    mother asked her what had happened. From M.M.’s perspective, she
    was explaining to her mother the reason for the trip to the hospital.
    We see nothing in these circumstances to support the conclusion that
    an objective declarant in M.M.’s position would have anticipated that
    her statement to her mother likely would be used in prosecution. We
    note that it is also debatable whether M.M.’s statement in this context
    was infused with sufficient solemnity to be deemed testimonial. See
    Davis, 547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    240, 126 S. Ct. at 2276
    ;
    Davis, 547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    246-47, 126 S. Ct. at 2282-83
    (Thomas, J., concurring in the judgment and dissenting in part).
    Accordingly, M.M.’s two statements to Grote and her statement
    to Yates were testimonial. Because defendant had no prior
    opportunity to cross-examine M.M. with regard to these statements,
    their admission was a violation of the confrontation clause under
    Crawford. M.M.’s hearsay statement to her mother, on the other
    hand, was not testimonial. Accordingly, the admission of this
    statement was not error under Crawford.
    We feel compelled once more to note the limited extent of our
    holding. We do not conclude in this case that statements made to
    family members can never be testimonial, nor that statements given
    to social workers or medical personnel or other mandated reporters
    are always testimonial. Instead, we decide merely that, under the
    circumstances in this case, M.M.’s hearsay statements to Grote and
    Yates were testimonial, and her statement to her mother was not.
    The State protests that neither Grote nor Yates, the school social
    worker, functions as “an arm of the prosecution” merely because they
    are mandated reporters, and calls our attention to In re C.J., 
    166 Ill. 2d
    264 (1995). The State argues that we there clearly held that
    Department employees are not state agents simply because they are
    required to investigate suspected abuse and neglect. The State calls
    our attention to the specific statement that we “reject out of hand any
    notion that [Department] child protective service investigators,
    simply by virtue of their mandate to investigate reports of suspected
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    child abuse and neglect, are a prosecutorial arm of the State.” C.J.,
    
    166 Ill. 2d
    at 269.
    The case is distinguishable. First, in this case, we have not found
    Grote and Yates to have been acting on behalf of law enforcement
    merely based on their status as mandated reporters. Our conclusion is
    instead based primarily on the circumstances surrounding the
    statements they took from M.M., especially the fact that they appear
    to have done nothing as a result of taking those statements other than
    contacting the authorities. The fact that they are mandated reporters
    merely buttresses our conclusion. Moreover, C.J. was an appeal from
    a circuit court ruling dismissing a delinquency petition because a
    Department investigator had destroyed potentially exculpatory
    material. We held it would be entirely unfair to impute responsibility
    for the destroyed evidence to the State’s Attorney, especially in light
    of the fact that there was “no evidence to support the conclusion that
    the [Department] investigator here functioned, intentionally or
    otherwise, as an aid in the prosecution of this case.” C.J., 
    166 Ill. 2d
    at 270. The situation here is different–in this case the question is
    whether it is fair for a criminal defendant to be tried based on hearsay
    statements without the opportunity to confront the declarant, when the
    persons taking the statements took no action other than to pass them
    on to the authorities, and moreover the persons taking the statements
    had a legal obligation to transmit them to the Department (325 ILCS
    5/4 (West 2000)) and subsequently to testify in any case arising
    therefrom (325 ILCS 5/10 (West 2000)), and the Department had a
    legal obligation to cooperate with law enforcement agencies to the
    fullest extent possible (325 ILCS 5/7.1 (West 2000)). In addition to
    the statement from C.J. to which the State draws our attention, we
    also said in that case that “where DCFS acts at the behest of and in
    tandem with the State’s Attorney, with the intent and purpose of
    assisting in the prosecutorial effort, DCFS functions as an agent of
    the prosecution.” (Emphasis added.) C.J., 
    166 Ill. 2d
    at 270, citing
    People v. Robinson, 
    157 Ill. 2d 68
    (1993) (imputation of such
    knowledge requires an individualized focus on the factual
    circumstances). We do not believe that the framers intended to permit
    the government to evade the requirements of the confrontation clause
    by the simple expedient of placing responsibility for investigation
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    with a separate agency of government with a legal responsibility to
    cooperate with law enforcement.
    The State also argues that, if the statements at issue in the case at
    bar are deemed testimonial, the admission of these statements was
    harmless beyond a reasonable doubt. We disagree.
    Crawford violations are subject to harmless-error analysis.
    People v. Patterson, 
    217 Ill. 2d 407
    (2005). The test is whether it
    appears beyond a reasonable doubt that the error at issue did not
    contribute to the verdict obtained. 
    Patterson, 217 Ill. 2d at 428
    . There
    are
    “three different approaches for measuring error under this
    harmless-constitutional-error test: (1) focusing on the error to
    determine whether it might have contributed to the
    conviction, (2) examining the other evidence in the case to see
    if overwhelming evidence supports the conviction, and (3)
    determining whether the improperly admitted evidence is
    merely cumulative or duplicates properly admitted evidence.”
    
    Patterson, 217 Ill. 2d at 428
    , citing People v. Wilkerson, 
    87 Ill. 2d 151
    , 157 (1981).
    Under none of the three approaches can the error in this case be
    considered harmless. The evidence in question consists of several
    adults who were unacquainted or only slightly acquainted with M.M.
    testifying as to her out-of-court statements regarding the precise
    conduct at issue. The statements were quite clear and were relatively
    consistent with each other and with the statement M.M. made to her
    mother. This was strong evidence which a fact finder would surely
    have taken into account. As we have noted, “[t]he statements of a
    victim identifying her attacker and describing the attack are extremely
    powerful evidence of a defendant’s guilt. It would be difficult to
    argue that such statements did not contribute to [a guilty] verdict.”
    
    Patterson, 217 Ill. 2d at 436
    . Nor is it fair to characterize the
    improperly admitted evidence as “merely cumulative” of Joan’s
    testimony. It is true that M.M.’s two statements to Grote and
    statement to Yates were substantially similar to her statement to Joan.
    However, the fact that the testimony was coming from adults who had
    no personal stake in the matter at hand, no acquaintance with Joan or
    defendant, and little or no acquaintance with M.M., and the strong
    similarity of the statements, gave them a power beyond simple
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    duplication of Joan’s testimony as to what her daughter told her.
    Additionally, both Grote and Yates testified as to M.M.’s
    demonstration of the conduct at issue through the use of dolls,
    another fact reinforcing the believability of those statements and
    distinguishing them from M.M.’s statement to Joan. Moreover, and
    especially critically, the conversation between M.M. and Yates began
    with Yates simply asking M.M. what she could tell him “about
    Robert Stechly.” That M.M. recounted the events in question in
    response to a generic query about the defendant is crucial evidence.
    The defense at trial was not that there was a question whether M.M.
    was the victim of abuse–defendant’s expert agreed that she most
    likely was–but that there was a reasonable doubt as to the identity of
    her abuser. The improperly admitted statements cannot fairly be
    considered to be merely duplicative of properly admitted evidence.
    This leaves the question whether the properly admitted evidence
    in the case constitutes “overwhelming evidence support[ing] the
    conviction,” the sole remaining way in which this testimony might be
    found not to have contributed to the finding of guilt, and therefore be
    deemed harmless. Here we part company with the dissent. The dissent
    would find the error harmless because the properly admitted
    evidence, specifically the testimony of Joan, the testimony of Grote,
    and defendant’s confession, is overwhelming. The dissent relies
    principally on defendant’s statement to the police as well as Joan’s
    testimony that in the car on the way to the hospital M.M. told her that
    “Robert Stechly” was the person who abused her. The dissent also
    notes that the abuse was described nearly identically in Galete’s and
    Joan’s trial testimony regarding what M.M. told them and in
    defendant’s statement to the police. Examination of the record reveals
    some troubling inconsistencies in this evidence, however, which lead
    us to conclude that the evidence was not so overwhelming as to
    render it clear beyond a reasonable doubt that the constitutional error
    was harmless.
    For example, although M.M.’s description of the abuse to Galete
    was very similar to what the child told her mother, there is a reason
    that Galete was a witness for the defense, rather than for the
    prosecution. Specifically, Galete testified that Bob Reilly, the victim’s
    cousin, frequently babysat the victim, contradicting Joan’s testimony
    that he never did so. Galete testified that M.M. only identified the
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    abuser as “Bob,” and Galete further testified that she had informed
    the police that she believed that people other than defendant,
    including Joan, the child’s mother, had sexually assaulted her. Thus
    not only did Galete directly contradict Joan’s testimony on the key
    point of whether Bob Reilly had babysat M.M.–Joan testified that he
    had never done so–Galete also implicitly made clear that she believed
    that M.M. had not told the complete truth about her abuse.
    Moreover, although Joan testified that on the date that the victim
    was taken to the hospital Galete refused to tell her what was wrong,
    Galete testified that she did tell Joan that the victim had been sexually
    molested and that Joan “really didn’t show any feeling in response.”
    Finally, Galete testified that she did not hear any conversation
    between the victim and her mother in the car on the way to the
    hospital. Although she admitted that she was in the front seat and the
    victim and her mother were in the back, this does call into question
    the foundation of one of the primary pieces of competent evidence on
    which the dissent relies, namely, Joan’s testimony regarding her
    conversation with M.M. on the way to the hospital. Galete’s father,
    who was driving the car to the hospital, also testified that he heard no
    conversation between Joan and M.M. Galete’s testimony that she did
    tell Joan about the abuse before they drove M.M. to the hospital is
    also supported by the testimony of Grote. Grote testified that when
    M.M. was brought to the hospital Joan recounted that M.M. had told
    Galete about having been abused. Grote testified that Joan did not tell
    her that M.M. had directly spoken to Joan about the matter, even
    though that conversation in the car would have occurred only minutes
    before. Joan never told Grote that she had spoken with M.M. in the
    car.
    Moreover, Joan’s testimony that M.M. identified her assailant as
    “Robert Stechly”–using not only defendant’s last name, but his full
    first name–was in direct conflict with Joan’s testimony at the section
    115–10 hearing. There, Joan testified only that the child told her
    “Bob” had assaulted her. Joan testified four separate times on direct
    examination as to what M.M. told her “Bob” had done, and on cross-
    examination, engaged in the following exchange:
    “Q. [defense counsel:] Now, in the car when you were on
    the way to the hospital, she told you what had happened,
    details of the incident?
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    A. Yes.
    Q. Did she tell you who?
    A. She told me in the back of the car that day.
    Q. Who it was?
    A. Who did that, yes.
    Q. Who had sexual contact?
    A. Yes.
    Q. And she said Bob?
    A. Yes.
    Q. And you understood that to be Bob Stechly?
    A. Yes sir.” (Emphases added.)
    This calls into serious question Joan’s trial testimony that the child
    referred to defendant by his full first and last names. In this regard it
    is also noteworthy that no other witness ever testified that the child
    used defendant’s full name, even though it would arguably have been
    more logical for the child to identify her assailant by his full name to
    a stranger, rather than to her mother, who was the defendant’s
    girlfriend.
    Defendant’s confession, it is true, is surely strong evidence
    against him. However, at trial, defendant recanted his confession,
    claiming that he only made it because he was tired and believed that
    the truth would later come out. He introduced expert testimony to the
    effect that he was unable to understand his Miranda rights. In
    argument at defendant’s bench trial, defense counsel noted, “I think,
    if you listen to him on the stand, he does have, how should I say, he
    does suffer from a mental disability, unfortunately.” The members of
    this court are, of course, wholly unable to evaluate the accuracy of
    this description, as we were not present at defendant’s trial to observe
    his demeanor, but we note that the State did not dispute this
    characterization in its argument in response.
    The dissent implies a great deal of skepticism for defendant’s
    recantation, but whether or not we personally find the recantation
    believable on the cold record before us is not the question we must
    answer, as we are not members of defendant’s jury. The question
    before us is: Was the properly admitted evidence against
    defendant–consisting primarily of his confession, and the testimony
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    of the mother and Galete–such compelling and overwhelming
    evidence of guilt that it is clear beyond a reasonable doubt that the
    improperly admitted evidence made no difference to the fact finder?
    That evidence being the testimony of impartial, neutral adults that the
    child told the exact same story as she told her mother three more
    times, demonstrating the conduct at issue with dolls–and that one of
    these recountings of what transpired was in response to the general
    question “what can you tell me about Robert Stechly”?
    We must answer this question in the negative. The child’s
    consistent repetition of the story strongly reinforced its believability.
    This reinforcement could easily have overridden any doubt which
    might have arisen in light of the significant conflicts and
    inconsistencies between Galete’s testimony, the testimony of the
    victim’s mother, and defendant’s confession. The fact that M.M.’s
    statement to Yates was the product of a generic inquiry regarding
    defendant is evidence that it would be truly impossible for a fact
    finder not to have taken into account in this trial which turned on the
    identity of M.M.’s abuser. We cannot conclude that the properly
    admitted evidence was so overwhelmingly in favor of guilt that it is
    clear beyond a reasonable doubt that the child’s repetition of the story
    on three separate occasions played no part in the fact finder’s
    conclusion.
    Our conclusion that the evidence against defendant was not
    overwhelming is buttressed by the fact that the jurors at defendant’s
    first trial were unable to agree on a verdict. See People v. Gibson,
    
    136 Ill. 2d 362
    , 382-83 (1990) (“The jurors at the defendant’s first
    trial were unable to agree on a verdict in the case, and the resulting
    mistrial illustrates fully the closeness of the evidence in the case”).
    The dissent argues that it is inappropriate to consider the fact that
    defendant’s jury was unable to reach a verdict, suggesting that to do
    so is equivalent to the approach taken by the appellate court in People
    v. Nitz, 
    219 Ill. 2d 400
    (2006). The situation in Nitz is not even
    remotely similar to the case at bar. There, the appellate court analyzed
    a jury’s mix of guilty and not-guilty verdicts and “speculated” as to
    how the jury might have ruled on a question with which it was not
    presented after “purporting to read the minds of the trial jurors.” 
    Nitz, 219 Ill. 2d at 413-14
    . Here, by contrast, we are making the entirely
    unremarkable assertion that the fact that a jury of defendant’s peers
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    was unable to reach a verdict as to his guilt tends to show that the
    evidence against him was not utterly overwhelming. This fact is
    especially pertinent in light of the fact that the jury heard and took
    into account the strong and compelling evidence that we have now
    concluded was improperly admitted. Even with that evidence before
    it, the jury could not reach a verdict. Thus, it is a fair inference that
    the properly admitted evidence may not have been entirely
    overwhelming. Nor does the riposte that the circuit court was able to
    reach a finding carry much weight, in light of the fact that like the
    jury, the court had before it and considered the evidence we have now
    found inadmissible. In this case it would be inappropriate to apply the
    presumption that in a bench trial judges base their findings only on
    competent evidence (People v. Todd, 
    178 Ill. 2d 297
    , 330 (1997);
    People v. Tye, 
    141 Ill. 2d 1
    , 26 (1990)), in light of the fact that at the
    time of defendant’s trial, Crawford had not yet been decided and thus
    the statements to Grote and Yates were competent, admissible
    evidence so far as the trial judge knew.
    We cannot conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that the
    admission of these hearsay statements did not contribute to the
    finding obtained. The properly admitted evidence was certainly
    sufficient to sustain defendant’s conviction, however, so there is no
    double jeopardy bar to retrying defendant on these charges. People v.
    Daniels, 
    187 Ill. 2d 301
    , 310 (1999). If the evidence is as
    overwhelming as the dissent believes, defendant will very likely be
    convicted once again. Moreover, defendant’s convictions may be
    upheld without a retrial if on remand the circuit court concludes that
    defendant lost his confrontation rights pursuant to the doctrine of
    forfeiture by wrongdoing. But unless that doctrine is applicable, the
    admission of these statements was error of sufficient severity as to
    defy a characterization of harmlessness.
    Accordingly, we remand to the circuit court for a hearing on
    forfeiture by wrongdoing. In this hearing, the State’s burden of proof
    is a preponderance of the evidence. See Davis, 547 U.S. at ___, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    244, 126 S. Ct. at 2280
    (and authorities cited therein).
    The circuit court may take into consideration “ ‘hearsay evidence,
    including the unavailable witness’s out-of-court statements.’ ” Davis,
    547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    244, 126 S. Ct. at 2280
    , quoting
    
    Edwards, 444 Mass. at 545
    , 830 N.E.2d at 174. The question is
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    whether defendant sought “to undermine the judicial process by
    procuring or coercing silence from” M.M. Davis, 547 U.S. at __, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    244, 126 S. Ct. at 2280
    . If the court concludes that
    defendant did forfeit his confrontation clause claim by wrongdoing,
    then the conviction and sentence may be reinstated; otherwise,
    defendant must receive a new trial. At that trial, the statements to
    Yates and Grote must be excluded from evidence unless M.M.
    testifies.
    II. Section 115–10
    Having concluded that M.M.’s hearsay statement to her mother is
    not testimonial, we must address defendant’s argument that this
    statement did not meet the requirements of section 115–10 of the
    Code of Criminal Procedure (725 ILCS 5/115–10 (West 1998)),
    which is the statutory hearsay exception for sexual abuse victims
    under the age of 13. Under section 115–10, a child’s out-of-court
    complaints of a sexual offense may be admitted if (1) the time,
    content, and circumstances of the statement provide sufficient
    safeguards of reliability, and (2) the child either (a) testifies at the
    proceeding, or (b) is unavailable as a witness and there is
    corroborating evidence of the act which is the subject of the
    statement. In the case at bar, the trial court found that the time,
    content, and circumstances of M.M.’s hearsay statements, including
    her statement to her mother, provided sufficient safeguards of
    reliability to be admissible. The trial court also found that M.M. was
    legally unavailable for trial.
    Before this court, defendant argues that the State failed to meet its
    burden of establishing the reliability of M.M.’s hearsay statements,
    and the circuit court therefore erred in admitting these statements.
    Defendant also argues that the circuit court erred in declaring M.M.
    unavailable to testify. The appellate court below affirmed the circuit
    court’s findings as to reliability and availability. We agree with the
    appellate court that, with regard to M.M.’s statement to her mother,
    the reliability and unavailability requirements of section 115–10 were
    met. A trial court’s rulings on evidentiary matters will not be reversed
    absent a clear abuse of discretion. People v. Hall, 
    195 Ill. 2d 1
    , 20-21
    (2000). Fear and youth are factors to be considered in determining
    whether a child witness is unavailable. 
    T.T., 351 Ill. App. 3d at 984
    .
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    Reliability is judged based on the totality of the circumstances
    
    (Wright, 497 U.S. at 819-20
    , 111 L. Ed. 2d at 
    654-55, 110 S. Ct. at 3148-49
    ), but relevant factors include consistent repetition, use of
    terminology unexpected of a child of similar age, and lack of motive
    to fabricate. People v. McMillan, 
    231 Ill. App. 3d 1022
    , 1026 (1992).
    There was ample evidence supporting the circuit court’s rulings
    regarding reliability and unavailability, and we find no abuse of
    discretion in the circuit court’s ruling admitting M.M.’s statement
    under section 115–10.
    The partial concurrence argues that the circuit court abused its
    discretion in finding M.M. unavailable, relying on People v. Johnson,
    
    118 Ill. 2d 501
    (1987). That case is distinguishable in critical respects.
    First, Johnson involved only Supreme Court Rule 414, a rule of
    general application to all criminal cases. In contrast, section 115–10
    deals specifically with “the difficulty in convicting persons accused
    of sexually assaulting young children.” People v. Holloway, 
    177 Ill. 2d
    1, 9 (1997). The Johnson court expressly limited its holding
    importing the standards of Federal Rule 804 to proceedings involving
    Rule 414: “the mere unwillingness of an otherwise available witness
    to testify simply does not rise to the high level of the Federal Rule
    804 standards. Hence, it cannot constitute excusable unavailability for
    purposes of our Rule 414.” (Emphasis omitted and added.) 
    Johnson, 118 Ill. 2d at 509-10
    . Neither Johnson, nor either of the post-Johnson
    cases on which the partial concurrence relies, involved section
    115–10. See People v. Caffey, 
    205 Ill. 2d 52
    , 100-01 (2001) (adult
    witness asserting privilege); People v. Ramey, 
    152 Ill. 2d 41
    , 70-73
    (1992) (adult witness asserting lack of memory). This court has never
    invoked Federal Rule of Evidence 804 or relied on Johnson in
    reviewing the admission of statements pursuant to section 115–10.
    Indeed, Johnson could not have been intended to apply to statements
    admitted pursuant to section 115–10 because at the time Johnson was
    decided, section 115–10 did not permit introduction of the out-of-
    court statement of an “unavailable” child witness. People v. Rocha,
    
    191 Ill. App. 3d 529
    , 537 (1989).
    Moreover, this court in Johnson invited legislative action to
    address reluctant child witnesses, thus suggesting that a specific
    statute to address that situation might merit a different result:
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    “[W]e feel compelled to acknowledge the special
    difficulties presented by cases such as these, where the
    witness in question is a young child whose fear and reticence
    is probably nonvolitional and hence understandable.
    However, it is our view that any attempts to resolve these
    difficulties must be initiated by the legislature.” 
    Johnson, 118 Ill. 2d at 510
    .
    As our appellate court has noted, the amendment to section 115–10
    to permit the introduction of children’s out-of-court statements when
    the child is unavailable appears to be precisely the legislative
    resolution for which this court called in Johnson. Rocha, 
    191 Ill. App. 3d
    at 537. In cases involving section 115–10, our appellate court has
    declined to apply the broad Johnson holding that unwillingness can
    never constitute unavailability. See, e.g., People v. Coleman, 205 Ill.
    App. 3d 567, 582-83 (1990); Rocha, 
    191 Ill. App. 3d
    at 536-37. This
    holding finds support in decisions of this court which have
    distinguished section 115–10 from other, analogous statutes. See
    People v. Bowen, 
    183 Ill. 2d 103
    , 114 (1998) (“Bastien is not
    dispositive of this case, because of fundamental differences in both
    the provisions and purposes of section 115–10 and former section
    106A–2”). In the context of child witnesses, numerous other
    jurisdictions have concluded that unwillingness or inability to testify
    should constitute unavailability. See Rocha, 
    191 Ill. App. 3d
    at 537-
    38, and cases cited therein. Our appellate court has concluded that by
    the amendment to section 115–10 the legislature intended “to include
    within the meaning of ‘unavailable’ witnesses those children who are
    unable to testify because of fear, inability to communicate in the
    courtroom setting, or incompetence.” Rocha, 
    191 Ill. App. 3d
    at 539.
    See also 
    T.T., 351 Ill. App. 3d at 984
    . We agree with these opinions.
    Notwithstanding our holding in Johnson that unwillingness to testify
    cannot constitute unavailability to testify for purposes of Rule 414,
    we believe that in the separate specific context of section 115–10,
    unavailability includes those child witnesses who are unable to testify
    because of fear.
    The circuit court should not make an unavailability determination
    lightly, of course, but that brings us to the second critical difference
    between this case and Johnson. There, the circuit court received no
    expert testimony or evidence as to the child’s unavailability. Indeed,
    the circuit court never even made a finding that the children were
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    unavailable to testify. In the instant case, by contrast, Machonkin
    testified as an expert witness at the availability hearing. She stated
    that in her professional opinion, forcing M.M. to testify would inflict
    upon her “trauma symptoms.” It is true that Machonkin
    acknowledged that there were steps the court could take to attempt to
    decrease the likelihood that the child would suffer psychological
    harm. However, she stated that it could take up to a year for such
    techniques to work and they might never work, a distinct possibility
    in light of the fact that Machonkin herself had never been able to
    persuade the victim to discuss what had happened.
    Under these circumstances, we cannot find the circuit court to
    have abused its discretion in finding M.M. unavailable to testify.
    CONCLUSION
    We agree with the appellate court that the circuit court’s decision
    that M.M.’s hearsay statement to her mother was admissible under
    section 115–10. However, we disagree with the appellate court that
    the circuit court properly found M.M.’s hearsay statements to Grote
    and Yates were admissible. Because the admission of the statements
    to Grote and Yates was not harmless error, we reverse the appellate
    court’s judgment affirming defendant’s conviction and sentence. This
    cause is remanded to the circuit court for a hearing on the issue of
    forfeiture by wrongdoing and for further proceedings in conformity
    with this opinion.
    Appellate court judgment reversed;
    cause remanded with directions.
    JUSTICE KILBRIDE, concurring in part and dissenting in part:
    In my opinion, the statutory hearsay exception contained in
    section 115–10 of the Code of Criminal Procedure of 1963 (725 ILCS
    5/115–10 (West 1998)), was not satisfied because the evidence
    presented at the hearing did not establish that M.M. was unavailable
    to testify. M.M.’s hearsay statements should have been excluded on
    that basis.
    Moreover, in addressing the confrontation clause claim, I believe
    the plurality applies an incorrect standard for determining whether an
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    out-of-court statement by a child declarant is testimonial. I would
    hold that the critical inquiry in determining whether a statement is
    testimonial is whether a reasonable adult in the declarant’s position
    would have anticipated that his or her statement likely would be used
    in a criminal prosecution. A reasonable adult in M.M.’s position
    would have believed her statements to her mother, the registered
    nurse, and the school social worker identifying defendant as the
    perpetrator would be used in a prosecution against defendant. Thus,
    M.M.’s statements to each of those people were testimonial and
    should not have been admitted without satisfying the requirements of
    the confrontation clause.
    In my view, the plurality’s analysis of both the section 115–10
    issue and the confrontation clause claim is faulty. I, however, agree
    with the plurality’s ultimate holding on the confrontation clause claim
    that defendant’s convictions must be reversed and the cause
    remanded for a hearing on forfeiture by wrongdoing. Accordingly, I
    concur in the judgment with respect to the confrontation clause claim
    and respectfully dissent on the section 115–10 issue.
    I. Section 115–10
    The threshold issue in this case is whether M.M.’s statements are
    admissible under the statutory hearsay exception in section 115–10.
    See People v. Lee, 
    214 Ill. 2d 476
    , 482 (2005) (courts should avoid
    addressing a constitutional question if a case can be decided on other
    grounds). Under section 115–10, a child’s out-of-court statements
    concerning a sexual offense are admissible if: (1) there are sufficient
    safeguards of reliability; and (2) the child either testifies or is
    unavailable to testify and there is corroborating evidence of the act
    that is the subject of the statement. 725 ILCS 5/115–10(b) (West
    1998).
    Here, the plurality has failed to apply this court’s established
    precedent to the unavailability determination. This court’s decision
    in People v. Johnson, 
    118 Ill. 2d 501
    (1987), as well as subsequent
    cases relying on Johnson, strongly support a finding that the circuit
    court abused its discretion in finding M.M. unavailable to testify.
    In Johnson, the defendant was charged with aggravated indecent
    liberties with a child. The trial court ordered the testimony of the five-
    year-old victim and her seven-year-old brother to be recorded on
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    videotape outside the presence of the jury. 
    Johnson, 118 Ill. 2d at 505
    .
    During her testimony, the victim became frightened and stopped
    speaking. At that point, the trial court granted the State’s motion to
    remove defendant from the courtroom during her testimony. 
    Johnson, 118 Ill. 2d at 505
    . Defendant was allowed to view the testimony on
    a video monitor outside the courtroom. 
    Johnson, 118 Ill. 2d at 505
    .
    After defendant was removed, the parties completed the direct, cross,
    and redirect examination of the victim. 
    Johnson, 118 Ill. 2d at 505
    .
    The testimony of the victim’s brother was recorded outside the
    presence of the jury, but with defendant present. 
    Johnson, 118 Ill. 2d at 506
    .
    The appellate court held that the videotaping procedure was
    authorized under Supreme Court Rules 414 and 206(f) (87 Ill. 2d Rs.
    414, 206(f)). 
    Johnson, 118 Ill. 2d at 507
    . Rule 414 allows the trial
    court to order a deposition for use at trial in criminal cases when a
    substantial possibility exists that the testimony will be “ ‘unavailable
    at the time of hearing or trial.’ ” Johnson, 
    118 Ill. 2d 507
    , quoting 87
    Ill. 2d R. 414(a). Thus, the critical issue in Johnson was whether the
    children were “unavailable” to testify within the meaning of Rule
    414. 
    Johnson, 118 Ill. 2d at 508
    .
    This court rejected the appellate court’s determination that the
    children were unavailable to testify because the trial court believed
    they would be fearful or unable to speak in front of the jury. 
    Johnson, 118 Ill. 2d at 508
    . This court held that unavailability “is a narrow
    concept, subject to a rigorous standard.” 
    Johnson, 118 Ill. 2d at 509
    .
    The court looked to Federal Rule of Evidence 804 for examples of
    sufficient reasons for finding a witness unavailable. Under Federal
    Rule 804, a witness may be declared unavailable due to privilege,
    persistent contemptuous refusal to testify, lack of memory, death, or
    illness. 
    Johnson, 118 Ill. 2d at 509
    . Mere unwillingness or reluctance
    to testify does not constitute excusable unavailability under Federal
    Rule 804. 
    Johnson, 118 Ill. 2d at 509
    . Therefore, this court held that
    unwillingness to testify cannot be the basis for a finding of
    unavailability under Supreme Court Rule 414. 
    Johnson, 118 Ill. 2d at 509-10
    . This court concluded that “a witness’ mere reluctance to
    testify cannot be accepted as a good enough reason to permit the use
    of out-of-court testimony.” 
    Johnson, 118 Ill. 2d at 510
    .
    Subsequent to Johnson, this court has continued to look to
    Federal Rule of Evidence 804 in determining whether a witness is
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    unavailable to testify. See People v. Caffey, 
    205 Ill. 2d 52
    , 100-01
    (2001); People v. Ramey, 
    152 Ill. 2d 41
    , 70-73 (1992). In this case,
    however, neither the appellate court nor the plurality has applied our
    established precedent.
    The plurality asserts that Johnson “is distinguishable in critical
    respects.” Slip op. at 53. But the distinctions noted by the plurality do
    not affect the core issue, the meaning of the term “unavailable” in the
    context of a child witness. Johnson is indistinguishable on that point
    because it involved whether child witnesses were unavailable to
    testify. The plurality also states that this court has never relied on
    Johnson in reviewing the admission of statements under section
    115–10. Slip op. at 54. My research has not revealed any prior
    decision of this court specifically defining the standard for
    unavailability under section 115–10. That explains the plurality’s
    reliance only upon appellate court cases for the applicable standard
    for reviewing the statements at issue here. The fact that this court has
    not previously relied on Johnson in this context is perhaps
    understandable given that this court has not addressed the definition
    of unavailability under section 115–10.
    Further, the plurality claims that “the amendment to section
    115–10 to permit the introduction of children’s out-of-court
    statements when the child is unavailable appears to be precisely the
    legislative resolution for which this court called in Johnson.” Slip op.
    at 54. If the legislature intended to redefine unavailability of child
    witnesses in response to Johnson, however, one would expect an
    express statement in the statute redefining that term. Yet, there is
    nothing in section 115–10 indicating that a different standard for
    unavailability should be used than the one employed by this court in
    Johnson. See 725 ILCS 5/115–10 (West 1998). The amendment to
    section 115–10 does not indicate a legislative intent to alter the
    definition of unavailability in the context of child witnesses. To the
    contrary, the amendment without any change to the accepted standard
    in Johnson indicates the legislature’s approval of this court’s
    construction of that term.
    I would also note that the plurality’s ultimate conclusion on the
    standard to be applied is confusing. The plurality wavers between
    stating unwillingness to testify is sufficient to constitute unavailability
    and asserting inability to testify is required. Slip op. at 55. In fact, the
    plurality’s final word on the matter is “[n]otwithstanding our holding
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    in Johnson that unwillingness to testify cannot constitute
    unavailability to testify for purposes of Rule 414, we believe that in
    the separate specific context of section 115–10, unavailability
    includes those child witnesses who are unable to testify because of
    fear.” (Emphasis in original.) Slip op. at 55. The plurality fails to
    recognize that unwillingness to testify and inability to testify are
    entirely different standards. In fact, the apparent standard adopted by
    the plurality of inability to testify caused by fear is consistent with
    Johnson because it requires more than mere reluctance or
    unwillingness. See 
    Johnson, 118 Ill. 2d at 509-10
    .
    I would hold that the core rule in Johnson that unwillingness or
    reluctance to testify cannot constitute unavailability is applicable
    here. I agree that fear and other similar factors are proper in
    determining whether a child witness is unavailable to testify. To meet
    the standard in Johnson, however, there must be an inability to testify
    because of fear or another factor, not mere reluctance or
    unwillingness. As this court stated in Johnson, “mere reluctance to
    testify cannot be accepted as a good enough reason to permit the use
    of out-of-court testimony.” 
    Johnson, 118 Ill. 2d at 510
    .
    Here, the sole witness at the availability hearing was Nancy
    Machonkin, a clinical child psychologist hired by M.M.’s father to
    determine the potential impact of testifying upon M.M. As noted in
    the plurality opinion, Machonkin testified that M.M. expressed
    unwillingness and reluctance to testify. M.M. told Machonkin that she
    did not want to talk about the alleged abuse and would not talk about
    it. Slip op. at 5. Although Machonkin testified that M.M. would likely
    experience anxiety, sleep disturbance, and difficulty in concentrating
    if she were forced to testify, on cross-examination Machonkin
    acknowledged that there were steps the court could take to minimize
    the stress of testifying. Significantly, Machonkin testified that M.M.
    could possibly become acclimated to the courtroom in as little as two
    weeks by visiting the courtroom when it was empty, talking to the
    judge in chambers, and meeting the people who would be asking her
    questions.
    Based on Machonkin’s testimony, the trial court found M.M.
    unavailable to testify. The court noted that M.M. had refused to
    discuss the incident with Machonkin, and concluded that testifying
    would subject M.M. to fear and anxiety that would further traumatize
    her.
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    The evidence presented at the availability hearing essentially
    shows that M.M. expressed an unwillingness and reluctance to testify.
    There was no showing that M.M. was unable to testify because of fear
    or any other factor. In fact, Machonkin testified that the stress of
    testifying could potentially be overcome in as little as two weeks by
    acclimating M.M. to the courtroom and the trial process.
    Nevertheless, no effort was made to acclimate M.M. All of M.M.’s
    statements were admitted based solely on the trial court’s acceptance
    of Machonkin’s untested conclusion that testifying would subject
    M.M. to fear and anxiety. In contrast, in a case relied upon heavily by
    the plurality, the trial court determined that the child witness was
    unavailable only after she stopped testifying during direct
    examination, and after the trial court and the prosecutor made
    extensive efforts to get her to resume testifying. 
    T.T., 351 Ill. App. 3d at 985-86
    .
    In this case, M.M. did not testify at trial. I also note that the trial
    court did not have M.M. testify at the availability hearing to make a
    direct observation of her reported fear and anxiety. The trial judge did
    not even speak to M.M. in chambers to observe her demeanor.
    Instead, the court simply deferred to Machonkin’s opinion that it was
    not in M.M.’s best interest to testify and that she was unavailable,
    despite the concession that M.M.’s stress could potentially be
    overcome in as little as two weeks. The evidence here shows a mere
    untested reluctance to testify. Reluctance alone is insufficient to
    support a finding of unavailability under the standard adopted by this
    court in Johnson.
    The trial court’s ruling was unsupported by application of this
    court’s precedent. In my view, the failure to apply this standard was
    an abuse of discretion. The statutory hearsay exception in section
    115–10 was not satisfied because the evidence does not establish that
    M.M. was unavailable to testify. M.M.’s hearsay statements should
    not have been admitted under section 115–10, and the trial court’s
    ruling was prejudicial error. Thus, it is unnecessary to address
    whether admission of M.M.’s statements violated the confrontation
    clause. The plurality has, nonetheless, chosen to base its holding on
    defendant’s confrontation clause claim. Therefore, I will also address
    that issue.
    II. Confrontation Clause Claim
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    In Crawford v. Washington, 
    541 U.S. 36
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d 177
    , 
    124 S. Ct. 1354
    (2004), the Supreme Court reaffirmed the importance of
    the constitutional right to confrontation. The Court held that a
    testimonial hearsay statement of a witness who is unavailable to
    testify may not be admitted against a criminal defendant unless the
    defendant had a prior opportunity to cross-examine the witness.
    
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 68
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    203, 124 S. Ct. at 1374
    .
    The Crawford Court explicitly declined to give a comprehensive
    definition of “testimonial statements.” See 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 68
    ,
    
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    203, 124 S. Ct. at 1374
    . Nonetheless, as noted by the
    plurality, many authorities have concluded that the focus in
    determining whether a statement is testimonial is always on the
    declarant’s intent in giving the statement. Slip op. at 35. Significantly,
    “[t]he declarant-centered approach is favored by Professor Richard
    Friedman of the University of Michigan Law School, one of the
    scholars whose works Crawford relied upon [citation] ‘in framing its
    re-definition of the Confrontation Clause.’ ” Slip op. at 35, quoting
    United States v. Cromer, 
    389 F.3d 662
    , 673 (6th Cir. 2004). Professor
    Friedman has asserted that “[t]o be testimonial, it must appear from
    the perspective of the witness that the statement is transmitting
    information that will, to a significant probability, be used in
    prosecution.” R. Friedman, Grappling With the Meaning of
    “Testimonial,” 71 Brook. L. Rev. 241, 259 (2005). The plurality
    agrees that the declarant’s perspective is the focus in a testimonial
    analysis outside the context of statements produced by government
    interrogation. Slip op. at 36.
    The plurality, however, concludes that the Supreme Court’s recent
    decision in Davis v. Washington, 547 U.S. ___, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d 224
    ,
    
    126 S. Ct. 2266
    (2006), modified or clarified the analysis with respect
    to statements made to government officials. Slip op. at 16. According
    to the plurality, Davis held that the intent of a police officer in taking
    a statement determines whether the statement is testimonial. Slip op.
    at 16. I disagree with that conclusion.
    In Davis, the Supreme Court held that:
    “Statements are nontestimonial when made in the course
    of police interrogation under circumstances objectively
    indicating that the primary purpose of the interrogation is to
    enable police assistance to meet an ongoing emergency. They
    are testimonial when the circumstances objectively indicate
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    that there is no such ongoing emergency, and that the primary
    purpose of the interrogation is to establish or prove past
    events potentially relevant to later criminal prosecution.”
    Davis, 547 U.S. at ___, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    237, 126 S. Ct. at 2273-74
    .
    In my view, this holding does not indicate a shift in the focus to the
    intent of the police officer in taking the statement. Rather, the holding
    indicates that the perspective of the declarant is still the focus of the
    inquiry. The circumstances presented by the police interrogation are
    viewed from the perspective of the declarant, and the question is what
    those circumstances objectively indicate to the declarant concerning
    the primary purpose of the interrogation.
    In Davis, the Court stated that “even when interrogation exists, it
    is in the final analysis the declarant’s statements, not the
    interrogator’s questions, that the Confrontation Clause requires us to
    evaluate.” Davis, 547 U.S. at ___ n.1, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 237 
    n.1, 126 S. Ct. at 2274
    n.1. The plurality acknowledges that “ultimately it is
    the declarant’s intent to which the confrontation clause looks.” Slip
    op. at 35. I would hold that the focus in determining whether a
    statement is testimonial remains on the declarant’s intent.
    The plurality also concludes that a child’s age “is among the
    circumstances potentially relevant to evaluating whether the objective
    circumstances of the statement would have led a reasonable declarant
    to understand that his or her statement could be used in a subsequent
    prosecution of the defendant.” Slip op. at 38. In my opinion, the cases
    holding that a child’s age should not be considered in determining
    whether a statement is testimonial are persuasive and should be
    followed. See People v. Sisavath, 
    118 Cal. App. 4th 1396
    , 1402 n.3,
    
    13 Cal. Rptr. 3d 753
    , 758 n.3 (2004); State v. Snowden, 
    385 Md. 64
    ,
    90-91, 
    867 A.2d 314
    , 329 (2005).
    In Sisavath, the court rejected the notion that “an ‘objective
    witness’ should be taken to mean an objective witness in the same
    category of persons as the actual witness–here, an objective four year
    old.” 
    Sisavath, 118 Cal. App. 4th at 1402
    n.3, 13 Cal. Rptr. 3d at 758
    
    n.3. Instead, the court found that the Supreme Court likely meant that
    a statement is testimonial if its use in a criminal prosecution is
    reasonably foreseeable to an objective observer. Sisavath, 118 Cal.
    App. 4th at 1402 
    n.3, 13 Cal. Rptr. 3d at 758
    n.3.
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    In Snowden, the court recognized that the confrontation clause is
    designed to protect the fundamental rights of the accused. 
    Snowden, 385 Md. at 90
    , 867 A.2d at 329. The court noted that the interest in
    protecting victims from testifying may never outweigh the explicit
    confrontation clause guarantee of the right to be confronted with the
    witnesses at trial. 
    Snowden, 385 Md. at 90
    , 867 A.2d at 329, citing
    Coy v. Iowa, 
    487 U.S. 1012
    , 1019-21, 
    101 L. Ed. 2d 857
    , 866-67, 
    108 S. Ct. 2798
    , 2802-03 (1988). The court, therefore, concluded that “an
    objective test, using an objective person, rather than an objective
    child of that age, is the appropriate test for determining whether a
    statement is testimonial in nature.” 
    Snowden, 385 Md. at 90
    -91, 867
    A.2d at 329.
    Under the plurality’s holding, the protections of the confrontation
    clause will not apply to an entire category of out-of-court statements
    by young children. The plurality holds that a child’s age may be
    considered in determining whether a reasonable declarant would
    understand that his or her statement could be used in a subsequent
    prosecution. Slip op. at 40. Very young children, however, are simply
    not aware of the existence of the criminal justice system and are,
    therefore, incapable of anticipating that their statements likely would
    be used in a prosecution. Thus, under the plurality’s decision, the
    confrontation clause will not apply to statements of children under the
    age where they become aware of the criminal justice system, at least
    when the statement is made to someone other than a government
    agent.
    This result cannot be squared with the confrontation clause. The
    confrontation clause provides that a criminal defendant “shall enjoy
    the right *** to be confronted with the witnesses against him.” U.S.
    Const., amend. VI. The plain language of this constitutional provision
    indicates that it applies to all witnesses. There is no express exception
    for testimony of child witnesses, and the Constitution contains no
    provision creating a testimonial privilege for them. Child witnesses
    often provide the critical evidence in criminal prosecutions. The
    plurality’s holding simply does not comport with either the express
    language of the confrontation clause or the Supreme Court’s decision
    in Crawford.
    I would note that there are ways to satisfy a defendant’s right to
    confrontation while mitigating any potential impact of testifying on
    a child witness. In this case, Nancy Machonkin, a clinical child
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    psychologist, testified that M.M. could possibly become acclimated
    to the courtroom in a short time by visiting the courtroom when it was
    empty, talking to the judge, and meeting the attorneys and other
    participants in the trial. Defendant suggests that M.M.’s anxiety or
    fear might have been reduced by allowing her to testify with her
    mother nearby or by testifying in a room other than the courtroom.
    Further, M.M. could have been allowed to testify by closed-circuit
    television if certain requirements were met. See 725 ILCS 5/106B–5
    (West 1998). Testimony by closed-circuit television was an option in
    this case that may have greatly reduced any adverse effects of
    testifying. See 725 ILCS 5/106B–5 (West 1998). Although these and
    other steps may possibly be taken to acclimate a child to testify, the
    interest in protecting children from testifying may not outweigh the
    explicit constitutional right to be confronted with the witnesses at
    trial. 
    Snowden, 385 Md. at 90
    , 867 A.2d at 329, citing Coy v. Iowa,
    
    487 U.S. 1012
    , 1019-21, 
    101 L. Ed. 2d 857
    , 866-67, 
    108 S. Ct. 2798
    ,
    2802-03 (1988).
    In sum, I believe that the same test should be applied to all
    witnesses in determining whether a statement is testimonial. That test
    is whether the circumstances objectively indicate that a reasonable
    adult in the declarant’s position would anticipate that his or her
    statement likely would be used in a criminal prosecution.
    I agree with the plurality that M.M.’s statements to Ann Grote and
    Perry Yates were testimonial. Those statements were made in a
    sufficiently solemn setting to be considered testimonial. The objective
    circumstances indicate that the primary purpose of those interviews
    was to collect information for a possible criminal prosecution. Based
    on the objective circumstances, a reasonable adult would have
    anticipated that the statements would be used in a criminal
    prosecution.
    I disagree, however, with the plurality’s determination that
    M.M.’s statement to her mother, Joan G., was not testimonial. The
    record shows that M.M. informed her babysitter, Brenda Galete, of
    the sexual abuse by “Bob.” Galete went to Joan’s place of
    employment. After locating Joan, Galete informed her that M.M.
    needed to be taken to the hospital because Galete believed M.M. was
    being sexually molested. Joan got into the backseat of the car with
    M.M. Galete did not hear any conversation between Joan and M.M.
    on the ride to the hospital.
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    Joan testified that Galete came to her workplace and stated they
    needed to take M.M. to the hospital. Galete did not tell Joan the
    reason that M.M. needed to go to the hospital. Joan got into the
    backseat of the car, put her arm around M.M., and asked her, “What’s
    wrong?” M.M. stated that “Bob had done something to her.” M.M.
    then described the incident of sexual abuse by “Bob.”
    First, I believe that these statements were made with sufficient
    solemnity to be considered testimonial. M.M. was driven to her
    mother’s workplace. Her mother got off of work, came to the car, and
    sat in the backseat with M.M. Her mother, who is undoubtedly an
    authority figure to M.M., asked her, “What’s wrong?” M.M. certainly
    would have understood that she may be subject to discipline if she did
    not treat this matter seriously after having her mother take time off of
    work. These facts indicate that this was an important matter. The
    seriousness of the situation was apparent. Thus, I would find that the
    solemnity requirement was established.
    The next question, then, is whether the circumstances objectively
    indicate that a reasonable adult in M.M.’s position would anticipate
    that her statement likely would be used in a prosecution. The focus is
    on whether “the witness was acting in a manner analogous to a
    witness at trial, describing or giving information regarding events
    which had previously occurred.” Slip op. at 28. In response to her
    mother’s question, M.M. described an incident of sexual abuse by
    “Bob.” Thus, M.M. gave information concerning an event that had
    previously occurred. Her statement did not focus on her physical
    condition or any injury she may have suffered. A reasonable adult in
    M.M.’s position would recognize that the acts she was describing
    constituted a serious criminal offense. Based on these facts, I would
    find that a reasonable adult in M.M.’s position would anticipate that
    her statement likely would be used in a prosecution.
    I would, therefore, find that M.M.’s statements to her mother,
    Grote, and Yates were testimonial. The admission of those statements
    violated the confrontation clause because defendant did not have a
    prior opportunity to cross-examine M.M.
    I agree with the plurality that admission of the statements in
    violation of the confrontation clause cannot be deemed harmless
    error. I also agree with the portion of the plurality opinion addressing
    forfeiture by wrongdoing.
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    III. Conclusion
    In my opinion, this appeal should have been decided based solely
    on the section 115–10 issue. See 
    Lee, 214 Ill. 2d at 482
    (constitutional
    questions should be avoided if a case can be decided on other
    grounds). The hearsay exception in section 115–10 was not satisfied
    because the evidence did not establish that M.M. was unavailable to
    testify. M.M.’s statements to her mother, Grote, and Yates should
    have been excluded as inadmissible hearsay. Defendant’s convictions
    should be reversed and the cause remanded for a new trial without
    admission of those hearsay statements.
    I also disagree with the plurality’s analysis of the confrontation
    clause claim. While the plurality holds that only the statements to
    Grote and Yates were testimonial, I would hold that those statements
    as well as the one to M.M.’s mother were testimonial and should not
    have been admitted without satisfying the requirements of the
    confrontation clause. Nonetheless, I agree with the plurality’s
    ultimate judgment on the confrontation clause claim reversing
    defendant’s convictions and remanding the cause for a hearing on
    forfeiture by wrongdoing.
    In this case, the other members of this court are divided and
    without my vote for one of their positions it would not be possible to
    secure the constitutionally required concurrence of four judges for a
    decision (see Ill. Const. 1970, art. VI, §3). This appeal would be
    dismissed with the effect being the same as an affirmance by an
    equally divided court of the decision under review. See People v.
    Griffith, 
    212 Ill. 2d 57
    , 58 (2004), citing Perlman v. First National
    Bank of Chicago, 
    60 Ill. 2d 529
    , 530 (1975). In my opinion, affirming
    the appellate court’s decision upholding defendant’s convictions is
    not the appropriate result, particularly given that Crawford was not
    decided until after the appellate court rendered its decision.
    Defendant, therefore, did not have the opportunity to present his
    claim based upon Crawford in the appellate court, and he would be
    denied any relief on that claim if the appellate court judgment were
    simply affirmed. Thus, I reluctantly concur specially in the judgment
    on the confrontation clause claim reversing defendant’s convictions
    and remanding the cause for a hearing on forfeiture by wrongdoing.
    I respectfully dissent on the section 115–10 issue.
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    CHIEF JUSTICE THOMAS, dissenting:
    I agree with the plurality’s conclusion that the child’s statement
    to her mother was admissible. I also agree with the conclusion that
    the child’s statements to Grote and Yates were “testimonial” under
    the Crawford/Davis framework.
    I dissent because I believe that the plurality wrongly holds that the
    child’s statements to Grote and Yates amounted to reversible error
    and were not harmless in light of the overwhelming evidence against
    defendant that was properly admitted. I also disagree with the
    plurality’s analysis of the forfeiture-by-wrongdoing issue. I believe it
    should have been unnecessary to address the forfeiture issue given
    that the admissions of the improper statements were harmless error.
    Assuming arguendo that the forfeiture issue had to be addressed,
    however, I would find that the cause should be remanded for a
    determination of whether defendant forfeited his confrontation rights
    by his own wrongdoing, but I would not limit that inquiry, as the
    plurality does, to the consideration of whether defendant intended to
    threaten the victim into not testifying. For all of these reasons and as
    more fully explained below, I respectfully dissent.
    I. Forfeiture by Wrongdoing
    The plurality concludes that the doctrine of forfeiture by
    wrongdoing focuses on a defendant’s intent rather than his
    wrongdoing. Under the plurality’s view, a defendant should be able
    to escape the common law forfeiture doctrine if his motive for
    assaulting the victim did not include preventing the victim from later
    testifying as a witness. I do not believe that this is a correct
    application of the doctrine.
    There is no requirement of intent when it is the defendant’s
    assault or murder of the victim that causes the witness’ unavailability.
    United States v. Garcia-Meza, 
    403 F.3d 364
    , 370 (6th Cir. 2005)
    (“There is no requirement that a defendant who prevents a witness
    from testifying against him through his own wrongdoing only forfeits
    his right to confront the witness where, in procuring the witness’s
    unavailability, he intended to prevent the witness from testifying”);
    People v. Giles, No. S129852 (March 5, 2007).
    In Giles, the Supreme Court of California recently conducted an
    extensive discussion of the common law forfeiture doctrine and held
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    that a defendant forfeits his confrontation rights if the witness is
    genuinely unavailable to testify and “the unavailability [is] caused by
    defendant’s intentional criminal act.” Giles, slip op. at 25. The Giles
    court further held that there is no requirement that the defendant
    intend to prevent the witness from testifying when committing the
    criminal act. Giles, slip op. at 18. In so holding, the California
    Supreme Court adopted the reasoning of its Court of Appeal, stating
    that
    “ ‘[f]orfeiture is a logical extension of the equitable principle
    that no person should benefit from his own wrongful acts. A
    defendant whose intentional criminal act renders a witness
    unavailable for trial benefits from his crime if he can use the
    witness’s unavailability to exclude damaging hearsay
    statements by the witness that would otherwise be admissible.
    This is so whether or not the defendant specifically intended
    to prevent the witness from testifying at the time he
    committed the act that rendered the witness unavailable.’ ”
    Giles, slip op. at 18-19.
    Other courts have applied forfeiture in cases where the defendant is
    charged with the same homicide that rendered the witness
    unavailable, rather than with some underlying crime about which the
    victim was going to testify. See United States v. Emery, 
    186 F.3d 921
    ,
    926 (8th Cir. 1999); United States v. Miller, 
    116 F.3d 641
    , 667-68 (2d
    Cir. 1997); State v. Meeks, 
    277 Kan. 609
    , 615, 
    88 P.3d 789
    , 794
    (2004).
    The plurality claims that the lone policy behind the forfeiture
    doctrine is to deter witness intimidation and that this purpose is not
    served if the doctrine is applied in the absence of an intent to prevent
    testimony because it is “after all, impossible to deter those who do not
    act intentionally.” Slip op. at 18. But the true purpose behind the
    common law doctrine of forfeiture by wrongdoing is broader than the
    plurality recognizes and should not be confused with the federal
    statutory hearsay exception, which does have the limited purpose of
    addressing witness intimidation. In that regard, Federal Rule of
    Evidence 804(b)(6) provides a statutory hearsay exception for “[a]
    statement offered against a party that has engaged or acquiesced in
    wrongdoing that was intended to, and did, procure the unavailability
    of the declarant as a witness.” Fed. R. Evid. 804(b)(6). Obviously,
    this provision requires an intent to prevent the witness from
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    testifying. The historical impetus behind the rule indicates that it was
    designed to deter the incentive to tamper with witnesses (Fed. R.
    Evid. 804(b)(6), Advisory Committee’s Note), especially in the area
    of gang or organized crime, which was thought to be on the increase
    in the 1980s and early 1990s just prior to the rule’s promulgation (L.
    Birdsong, The Exclusion of Hearsay Through Forfeiture by
    Wrongdoing–Old Wine in a New Bottle–Solving the Mystery of the
    Codification of the Concept into Federal Rule 804(b)6, 
    80 Neb. L
    .
    Rev. 891, 905-07 (2001)). See also People v. Giles, slip op. at 9-10
    (Federal Rule 804(b)(6) is simply an expression of the rule applied in
    the glut of witness tampering cases that began to appear in the 1960s
    and 1970s when the federal government began placing greater
    emphasis on the prosecution of organized crime and drug activity).
    In contrast to the statutory hearsay exception of the federal rule,
    the common law doctrine of forfeiture by wrongdoing has a broader
    grasp. The United States Supreme Court in Crawford v. Washington,
    
    541 U.S. 36
    , 62, 
    158 L. Ed. 2d 177
    , 199, 
    124 S. Ct. 1354
    , 1370
    (2004), noted that “the rule of forfeiture by wrongdoing (which we
    accept) extinguishes confrontation claims on essentially equitable
    grounds.” Crawford never mentioned Rule 804(b)(6), but instead
    referred to the common law doctrine, reaching all the way back to the
    132-year-old case of Reynolds v. United States, 
    98 U.S. 145
    , 25 L.
    Ed. 244 (1879). Reynolds emphasized that the common law rule “has
    its foundation in the maxim that no one shall be permitted to take
    advantage of his own wrong.” Reynolds, 98 U.S. at 
    159, 25 L. Ed. at 248
    . By reaching back to the common law underpinnings of the
    doctrine rather than simply referring to the federal rule, Crawford is
    strong support for the position that intent to prevent a witness from
    testifying is not always required for application of the common law
    forfeiture doctrine.
    Steele v. Taylor, 
    684 F.2d 1193
    , 1202 (6th Cir. 1982), explained
    that the common law forfeiture doctrine has dual purposes: in
    addition to being a strong incentive to prevent witness tampering, it
    is also based on something similar to the equitable doctrine of clean
    hands. Steele elaborated on the broader purposes of the doctrine as
    follows: “The law prefers live testimony over hearsay, a preference
    designed to protect everyone, particularly the defendant. A defendant
    cannot prefer the law’s preference and profit from it, as the Supreme
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    Court said in Reynolds, while repudiating that preference by creating
    the condition that prevents it.” 
    Steele, 684 F.2d at 1202
    .
    The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals emphatically debunked the
    notion that a defendant must always intend to prevent a witness from
    testifying before losing his confrontation rights on account of his
    wrongdoing, explaining that
    “[t]hough the Federal Rules of Evidence may contain such a
    requirement [of intent], see Fed. R. Evid. 804(b)(6), the right
    secured by the Sixth Amendment does not depend on, in the
    recent words of the Supreme Court, ‘the vagaries of the Rules
    of Evidence.’ 
    Crawford, 124 S. Ct. at 1370
    . The Supreme
    Court’s recent affirmation of the ‘essentially equitable
    grounds’ for the rule of forfeiture strongly suggests that the
    rule’s applicability does not hinge on the wrongdoer’s motive.
    The Defendant, regardless of whether he intended to prevent
    the witness from testifying against him or not, would benefit
    through his own wrongdoing if such a witness’s statements
    could not be used against him, which the rule of forfeiture,
    based on principles of equity, does not permit.” 
    Garcia-Meza, 403 F.3d at 370-71
    .
    The plurality claims that the forfeiture doctrine applied in
    Reynolds was “extremely narrow” and that the case “unequivocally
    imposed an ‘intent’ requirement.” Slip op. at 19. The plurality is
    wrong on both counts.
    The doctrine applied in Reynolds was not narrow. Rather, the
    Court merely employed language targeted to address the specific facts
    presented to it, before turning to the broader purposes of the forfeiture
    doctrine. The plurality relies on the specific language to the exclusion
    of the general, and thereby misinterprets the forfeiture doctrine.
    In Reynolds, the defendant was indicted on a bigamy charge in the
    Territory of Utah. The government wanted to call one of defendant’s
    alleged wives as a witness, but when the subpoena was delivered, the
    defendant told the officer that the subject was not home, that he
    would not tell the officer where she was, and that she would not
    appear in the case. Unable to locate the witness on a return visit the
    next day, the government immediately attempted to introduce her
    prior testimony from a former bigamy trial involving the same
    defendant. The court allowed the testimony, and the defendant was
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    convicted. The defendant eventually appealed to the United States
    Supreme Court, contending that the admission of the testimony
    violated his confrontation rights.
    The Supreme Court affirmed the defendant’s conviction, noting
    that
    “[t]he Constitution gives the accused the right to a trial at
    which he should be confronted with the witnesses against
    him; but if a witness is absent by his own wrongful
    procurement, he cannot complain if competent evidence is
    admitted to supply the place of that which he has kept away.
    The Constitution does not guarantee an accused person
    against the legitimate consequences of his own wrongful acts.
    It grants him the privilege of being confronted with the
    witnesses against him; but if he voluntarily keeps the
    witnesses away, he cannot insist on his privilege. If, therefore,
    when absent by his procurement, their evidence is supplied in
    some lawful way, he is in no condition to assert that his
    constitutional rights have been violated.” 
    Reynolds, 98 U.S. at 158
    , 25 L. Ed. at 247.
    The above-quoted language is specific to the facts and does not
    attempt to explain the general parameters of the common law
    forfeiture doctrine in all cases. Later in its analysis, however,
    Reynolds did turn to the general, equitable basis for the rule:
    “The rule has its foundation in the maxim that no one shall be
    permitted to take advantage of his own wrong; and,
    consequently, if there has not been, in legal contemplation, a
    wrong committed, the way has not been opened for the
    introduction of the testimony. We are content with this long-
    established usage, which, so far as we have been able to
    discover, has rarely been departed from. It is the outgrowth of
    a maxim based on the principles of common honesty, and, if
    properly administered, can harm no one.” Reynolds, 98 U.S.
    at 
    159, 25 L. Ed. at 248
    .
    Unlike the plurality, most courts have not interpreted Reynolds as
    fashioning an “intent” requirement. See, e.g., United States v. Garcia-
    Meza, 
    403 F.3d 364
    (6th Cir. 2005); United States v. Emery, 
    186 F.3d 921
    (8th Cir. 1999); United States v. Miller, 
    116 F.3d 641
    (2d Cir.
    1997); United States v. Natson, 
    444 F. Supp. 2d 1296
    (M.D. Ga.
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    2006); Grayson v. Carey, No. 2:03–cv–1694–MCE–KJM (E.D. Cal.
    2006); People v. Giles, No. S129852 (March 5, 2007); Gonzalez v.
    State, 
    155 S.W.3d 603
    , 610 (Tex. App.–San Antonio 2004); State v.
    Meeks, 
    277 Kan. 609
    , 
    88 P.3d 789
    (2004); People v. Vasquez, No.
    04CA0729 (Colo. App. November 30, 2006), cert. granted, No.
    07SC50 (March 26, 2007); State v. Brooks, No.
    W2004–02834–CCA–R3–CD (Tenn. Crim. App. August 31, 2006)
    (unpublished order), leave to appeal granted (January 26, 2007);
    People v. Bauder, 
    269 Mich. App. 174
    , 184-85, 
    712 N.W.2d 506
    ,
    513-14 (2005); State v. Moore, 
    117 P.3d 1
    (Colo. App. 2004);
    Commonwealth v. Salaam, 65 Va. Cir. 405 (2004). Giles is
    representative of the above-authority in noting that Reynolds “did not
    suggest that the rule’s applicability hinged on [the defendant’s]
    purpose or motivation in committing the wrongful act.” Giles, slip op.
    at 8.
    The plurality vigorously argues that the federal rule codified the
    common law rule in all respects, thereby settling the question of
    whether intent is always required in every case. For this proposition,
    the plurality relies upon language from Davis v. Washington, 547
    U.S. ___, ___, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d 224
    , 244, 
    126 S. Ct. 2266
    , 2280 (2006),
    where the Court stated in passing that it was taking “no position on
    the standards necessary to establish *** forfeiture, but federal courts
    using Federal Rule of Evidence 804(b)(6), which codifies the
    forfeiture doctrine, have generally held the Government to the
    preponderance-of-the-evidence standard.”
    The language relied upon by the plurality is clearly dicta in so far
    as it can be claimed to support a requirement of intent. Davis did not
    in any way purport to settle the question of whether intent is required
    when it is the assault or murder of the witness that causes the
    witness’s unavailability. It was not even argued in Davis that the
    witness was unavailable due to any specific conduct on the part of the
    defendant. Nor was it argued that the witness was unavailable as a
    result of a direct assault or murder of the victim. Rather, the
    government, joined by various amici, made only a general argument
    that domestic violence cases require greater flexibility in the use of
    testimonial statements because the crime is “notoriously susceptible
    to intimidation or coercion of the victim to ensure that she does not
    testify at trial.” Davis, 547 U.S. at ___, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 244, 126 S.
    Ct. at 2279-80. It was in responding to this general argument that the
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    Court noted that “when defendants seek to undermine the judicial
    process by procuring or coercing silence from witnesses and victims,
    the Sixth Amendment does not require courts to acquiesce.” Davis,
    547 U.S. at ___, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    244, 126 S. Ct. at 2280
    . There is
    nothing remarkable about this statement given the context in which
    it was made and that all prior precedent is in agreement.4 Thus, Davis
    does not “strongly connote” a requirement of intent, as the plurality
    claims, when it is the assault or murder of the witness that directly
    causes the witness’ unavailability. See slip op. at 20.
    The plurality leaves out from its block quote of Davis (see slip op.
    at 19) the rest of the paragraph it is quoting from, which goes on to
    state: “We reiterate what we said in Crawford: that ‘the rule of
    forfeiture by wrongdoing ... extinguishes confrontation claims on
    essentially equitable grounds.’ [Citation.] That is, one who obtains
    the absence of a witness by wrongdoing forfeits the constitutional
    right to confrontation.” Davis, 547 U.S. at ___, 
    165 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    244, 126 S. Ct. at 2280
    . The plurality does note this principle at the
    beginning of its analysis, but then abandons it. Unfortunately, the
    language the plurality abandons is the core principle on which the
    forfeiture-by-wrongdoing doctrine rests. That it encompasses the
    more narrower concern of witness intimidation does not negate its
    broader application.
    Cases that have been decided after Davis do not interpret its
    language the same way that the plurality does. Recent cases have held
    that Davis does not impose a requirement that a defendant intend to
    prevent a witness from testifying in every case before the common
    law forfeiture doctrine may be applied. Giles, slip op. at 8, 18 (Davis
    reaffirmed the equitable nature of the forfeiture doctrine and does not
    require an intent requirement in nonwitness-tampering cases); United
    4
    The Supreme Court of California in Giles recently considered this
    language from Davis and concluded that it “only describes the traditional
    form of witness tampering cases–in the context of the domestic violence
    cases therein where the victims did not testify at trial–without limiting the
    forfeiture doctrine to witness tampering cases. More important, Davis
    reaffirmed the equitable nature of the forfeiture by wrongdoing doctrine
    and declared that Crawford, in overruling 
    Roberts, supra
    , 
    448 U.S. 56
    , did
    not destroy the ability of courts to protect the integrity of their proceedings.
    
    (Davis, supra
    , 126 S. Ct. at p. 2280.)” Giles, slip op. at 19 n.5.
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    States v. Natson, 
    444 F. Supp. 2d 1296
    (M.D. Ga. 2006) (the common
    law forfeiture doctrine is broader than the federal hearsay exception,
    as it provides that a defendant who eliminates a witness forfeits any
    constitutional right to confront that witness regardless of defendant’s
    motive); People v. Vasquez, No. 04CA0729 (Colo. App. November
    30, 2006) (neither Davis nor Reynolds impose a requirement of intent
    under the common law forfeiture by wrongdoing doctrine adopted by
    Crawford); State v. Brooks, No. W2004–02834–CCA–R3–CD (Tenn.
    Crim. App. August 31, 2006) (unpublished order) (unlike the
    statutory hearsay exception, the common law forfeiture by
    wrongdoing doctrine is applied regardless of defendant’s intent in
    committing a homicide), leave to appeal granted (Jan. 26, 2007);
    Grayson v. Carey, No. 2:03–cv–1694–MCE–KJM, slip op. at 2, 18-
    19 (E.D. Cal. August 10, 2006) (once a court has found as a
    preliminary matter that the defendant’s conduct caused the witness’
    absence, the Reynolds court would recognize that there is no error in
    admitting the absent witness’ testimony even where the defendant
    argues that his assault of the victim was without “premeditation or
    malice”). Given that the use of the word “codifies” in Davis was
    obviously dicta and that it was not written to address any argument
    about an “intent” requirement, it is not surprising that these five post-
    Davis cases did not find the language significant or even feel the need
    to mention it when discussing Davis.
    The plurality acknowledges that the vast majority of courts hold
    intent irrelevant when it is the murder of the witness that causes the
    witnesses unavailability and the defendant is on trial for that very
    murder. The plurality claims that these cases are distinguishable
    because they all predate Davis. But Giles, Natson, Vasquez, Brooks
    and Grayson–all holding intent irrelevant–were all decided after
    Davis.
    The plurality also claims that the present case is distinguishable
    because the witness was not murdered, but only assaulted, and murder
    is different because “a defendant knows with absolute certainty that
    a murder victim will not be able to testify” and intent can therefore be
    presumed. See slip op. at 24. The plurality cites no authority for this
    proposition, probably because it makes no sense. Many times the
    conduct that leads to a homicide is committed without an “absolute
    certainty” that the conduct will result in death, yet alone that it will
    result in the would-be witness being unable to testify. It is disturbing
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    that under the plurality’s approach, if a defendant assaulted a victim
    by hitting him over the head and the victim subsequently died from
    his injuries, statements made by the victim before he died would be
    admissible at the murder trial. But if instead of dying the same victim
    went into a coma and remained permanently on life support, any
    statements made before the victim went into the coma would not be
    admissible at a trial for battery or attempted murder. Additionally, the
    plurality’s argument on this point is inconsistent with its claim that
    the federal rule of evidence “codified” the common law doctrine.
    The plurality also emphasizes that most, if not all, of the cases to
    hold intent irrelevant involved the death of the victim. But this is
    obviously because it is a much rarer case for the victim to somehow
    survive a defendant’s attack and yet be unavailable to testify within
    the meaning of the sixth amendment. Wisely, the chief authority I
    discuss above does not limit the forfeiture rule’s application to cases
    involving the death or murder of the victim. See United States v.
    Garcia-Meza, 
    403 F.3d 364
    (6th Cir. 2005) (defendant’s wrongdoing
    must merely prevent the witness’ unavailability); People v. Giles, slip
    op. at 25 (the rule applies when the witness is “genuinely unavailable
    to testify” and “the unavailability is caused by the defendant’s
    intentional criminal act”).
    Aside from domestic violence cases, most crime victims that are
    not killed would want to testify against their assailants, provided they
    are left physically and mentally capable of doing so. Domestic
    violence cases are different, however, because those cases have a low
    victim-cooperation rate, which is usually due to either a general fear
    of the defendant or some remaining partiality on the victim’s part
    toward the defendant. It is not that the assault itself has left the victim
    physically or mentally incapacitated. In sum, there is often an
    insufficient causal connection between the wrongdoing and the
    unavailability for application of the forfeiture doctrine in domestic
    violence cases absent a showing that the defendant intended to
    prevent the witness from testifying in connection with his conduct. It
    is also questionable whether a domestic violence victim who simply
    refuses to testify without any reason offered by the State is truly
    “unavailable” within the meaning of the confrontation clause. For all
    of these reasons, it is not surprising that the cases that find intent
    irrelevant usually involve the murder of the victim.
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    In a footnote, the plurality does cite one nonhomicide case where
    the forfeiture doctrine was at issue–State v. Henderson, 
    35 Kan. App. 2d
    241, 253, 
    129 P.3d 646
    , 654 (2006), leave to appeal granted, No.
    92251 (September 19, 2006)–a child sex abuse case where the court
    required intent. See slip op. at 23 n.2. But Henderson is easily
    distinguishable from the situation before us. The child in Henderson
    was unavailable solely because of her age–she was only three years
    old and was unable to understand the proceedings, the questions
    asked, and her duty to testify truthfully. Unlike the present case, there
    was no causal connection established between the defendant’s assault
    and the witness’ unavailability. See 
    Henderson, 35 Kan. App. 2d at 253
    -54, 129 P.3d at 655 (the court noted that “[c]ausation between
    the action of the defendant and the witness’ absence appears key” and
    the State did not cite any authority showing that the doctrine of
    forfeiture had been applied solely due to age). Thus, Henderson is
    actually consistent with my argument.
    The plurality cites People v. Melchor, 
    362 Ill. App. 3d 335
    , 351
    (2005), appeal allowed, 
    218 Ill. 2d 551
    (2006) (table), to imply that
    it might support a rule that does not require “intent” if the defendant’s
    wrongdoing results in the death of the victim. Melchor noted in dicta
    that a defendant on trial for the actual murder of the witness whose
    out-of-court testimony the prosecution wishes to present should
    clearly not be allowed to escape the forfeiture-by-wrongdoing
    doctrine based on his lack of a motive to prevent testimony when he
    killed the victim. Melchor observed that “[s]uch a rule is certainly
    logical; otherwise, defendants would be able to profit from their own
    wrongdoing. ‘ “[W]hen confrontation becomes impossible due to the
    actions of the very person who would assert the right, logic dictates
    that the right has been waived.” ’ ” 
    Melchor, 362 Ill. App. 3d at 351
    ,
    quoting Devonshire v. United States, 
    691 A.2d 165
    , 168 (D.C. App.
    1997). Melchor went on to state that this exception to the intent
    requirement should only be applied in the situation described above
    and not where the defendant is “not on trial for killing the individual
    whose testimony the prosecution sought to admit.” Melchor, 362 Ill.
    App. 3d at 351.
    There is no principled basis, however, for distinguishing between
    situations where the witness is unavailable because of a murder
    committed by a defendant from situations where the witness is
    unavailable because of an assault committed by a defendant. A
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    witness can be just as unavailable to testify regardless of whether a
    defendant’s assault leaves the witness dead, or in a comatose state on
    life support, or in some way mentally or emotionally incapable of
    testifying. See Parrot v. Wilson, 
    707 F.2d 1262
    (11th Cir. 1983)
    (witness suffering from mental condition was properly declared
    unavailable where it was unlikely her condition would improve in the
    next six months).
    The key inquiry should be on whether or not it is the defendant’s
    wrongdoing that has prevented the witness from testifying when it is
    the defendant’s assault or murder of the would-be witness that causes
    her unavailability. The equitable doctrine of forfeiture by wrongdoing
    simply does not allow a defendant to profit from wrongdoing that
    prevents a witness’ testimony in such a case, and this is true
    regardless of motive and regardless of whether the victim is left dead
    or alive. All that should be required is a direct causal connection
    between the wrongdoing (the assault) and the unavailability. The
    plurality’s contrary approach in requiring a specific intent to prevent
    testimony when committing the crime allows a defendant to convert
    a constitutional shield into a sword.
    The two federal cases cited by the plurality are not helpful to its
    position. See 
    Steele, 684 F.2d at 1202
    ; United States v. Thompson,
    
    286 F.3d 950
    (7th Cir. 2002). Steele, discussed above, noted the dual
    purposes of the common law doctrine in a case where a defendant
    purposely intimidated a witness, so the court did not have occasion to
    address whether intent was required for application of the doctrine.
    Thompson is also inapplicable. There, the court never addressed
    the common law doctrine of forfeiture by wrongdoing. Instead, the
    court only entertained the government’s limited argument based on
    Federal Rule of Evidence 804(b)(6), which by its plain language
    requires intent. See 
    Thompson, 286 F.3d at 961-62
    . Furthermore,
    Thompson was decided over two years before Crawford “accepted”
    the common law doctrine and noted that the sixth amendment right
    does not depend on “the vagaries of the rules of evidence.” 
    Crawford, 541 U.S. at 61
    , 
    158 L. Ed. 2d
    at 
    199, 124 S. Ct. at 1370
    .
    For similar reasons, the two out-of-state cases relied upon by the
    plurality–Commonwealth v. Edwards, 
    444 Mass. 526
    , 
    830 N.E.2d 158
    (2005), and State v. Alvarez-Lopez, 
    136 N.M. 309
    , 
    98 P.3d 699
    (2004)–also do not support its position. In Edwards, the
    Massachusetts Supreme Court held that when a defendant colludes
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    with a witness to procure the witness’ unavailability, the defendant
    forfeits his confrontation rights the same as if he had intimidated the
    witness. 
    Edwards, 444 Mass. at 539-40
    , 830 N.E.2d at 170. The court
    did not consider whether a defendant must intend to prevent a witness
    from testifying when it is the assault or murder of the victim that
    renders the victim unavailable to testify. In Alvarez-Lopez, the New
    Mexico Supreme Court considered the forfeiture doctrine only in the
    context of Federal Rule of Evidence 804(b)(6). 
    Alvarez-Lopez, 136 N.M. at 314
    , 98 P.3d at 704. Moreover, the situation there is easily
    distinguishable because it did not involve an assault or murder of the
    victim, but instead the “wrongdoing” at issue was that the defendant
    made himself a fugitive from justice for seven years. Thus, the court
    found that there was a lack of a sufficient causal connection between
    the defendant’s “wrongdoing” and the witness’ unavailability.
    
    Alvarez-Lopez, 136 N.M. at 314
    , 98 P.3d at 704. A lack of a causal
    connection is not an issue, however, where it is the defendant’s direct
    assault or murder of the witness that causes the unavailability.
    Some might suggest that if forfeiture by wrongdoing is applied to
    cases where the defendant is on trial for the very crime that has
    rendered the witness unavailable, the trial court will be required to
    essentially conclude, as a predicate for admissibility of the evidence,
    that the defendant is guilty of the very crime with which he is
    accused. The supreme courts of the states of California and Kansas
    have recently rejected this precise argument. See People v. Giles, No.
    S129852 (March 5, 2007); State v. Meeks, 
    277 Kan. 609
    , 615, 
    88 P.3d 789
    , 794 (2004). This so-called “bootstrapping problem” does not
    undermine the equitable reasons for the forfeiture doctrine, does not
    present the trial court with any undue procedural difficulty, nor does
    it preclude it from determining the preliminary facts necessary for an
    evidentiary ruling merely because they coincide with an ultimate issue
    in the case. See Giles, slip op. at 22. A court can determine forfeiture
    as a preliminary factual issue as it would with any other hearsay
    statement, and assuming the grounds for forfeiture have been proven
    by a preponderance of the evidence, the court will admit the evidence.
    Giles, slip op. at 22. This ruling will not infringe in any way upon the
    ultimate question for the jury’s resolution–whether the defendant is
    guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of the crime charged. Giles, slip op.
    at 22. I agree with the Meeks and Giles courts’ assessments and would
    adopt their analyses.
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    For all of the above reasons, I would remand for an evidentiary
    hearing on the forfeiture question, but I would not limit it to a
    determination of whether defendant threatened the victim into not
    testifying, as the plurality does. Instead, I would have the inquiry
    center on whether the witness was unavailable due to defendant’s
    wrongdoing. Here, the record is replete with facts indicating a causal
    connection between defendant’s wrongdoing and the unavailability
    of the witness. Dr. Machonkin testified that the victim of tender age
    was psychologically traumatized because of the assault, that her
    symptoms would reemerge if she should be called to testify, and that
    in the doctor’s expert opinion, the victim was legally unavailable to
    testify. Under these facts, whether defendant forfeited his
    confrontation rights with respect to the victim’s statements because
    of his own wrongdoing should be a factual question to be determined
    by the trial court in the first instance.
    Having explained how I would resolve the forfeiture-by-
    wrongdoing issue differently than the plurality, I further note that I
    would not have addressed the issue in the first place because I would
    have found that the admissions of the child’s statements to Grote and
    Yates were harmless. Thus, I would affirm defendant’s conviction
    without any remand for further proceedings or a new trial.
    II. Harmless Error
    The plurality acknowledges that Crawford violations are subject
    to a harmless error analysis and that the test to be applied is “whether
    it appears beyond a reasonable doubt that the error at issue did not
    contribute to the verdict obtained.” Slip op. at 47. This court has
    identified three approaches for measuring error under that test, which
    are as follows: (1) focusing on the error to determine whether it might
    have contributed to the conviction; (2) examining the other evidence
    in the case to see if overwhelming evidence supports the conviction;
    and (3) determining whether the improperly admitted evidence was
    merely cumulative or duplicates properly admitted evidence. People
    v. Patterson, 
    217 Ill. 2d 407
    , 428 (2005), citing People v. Wilkerson,
    
    87 Ill. 2d 151
    , 157 (1981). The plurality believes that the evidence
    was close and that it could not decide beyond a reasonable doubt that
    the improper evidence did not contribute to the verdict. But I believe
    that the opposite conclusion is apparent when considering the other
    evidence that was properly admissible.
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    The plurality concludes, as I do, that the child’s statement to her
    mother on the way to the hospital was correctly admitted. See slip op.
    at 44-45. With respect to that statement, the mother testified that she
    held her daughter close in the backseat of the car and asked her what
    had happened. The child responded that she and “Robert Stechly”
    were laying in bed and had taken a nap. The child then described an
    incident of sexual abuse committed by defendant against her, stating
    that “there was white stuff coming out of his pee pee,” and that he
    pushed her head down to make her taste it. The child also told her
    mother that defendant said that if she told about the incident, he
    would hurt her. Thus, it is not surprising that the child spoke quietly
    enough so that the conversation was not heard in the front seat of the
    car. The other statements to Grote and Yates were essentially
    cumulative of the one to the mother.
    The plurality’s fixation on the fact that the child did not refer to
    defendant by his full name to babysitter Galete attempts to obfuscate
    that the child did clearly identify her assailant to her mother. The
    plurality’s argument on this point is inconsistent. On the one hand,
    the plurality is trying to emphasize that there are other people named
    Bob in the child’s life, but then when the child specifically identifies
    a particular Bob, the plurality wants to discredit that identification by
    claiming that it is “not logical” for the child to identify her assailant
    by his full name to someone she knows. I fail to see the logic in the
    plurality’s argument. But more importantly, the plurality does not
    persuasively explain why defendant’s confession does not clear up
    any possible doubt.
    The plurality admits the strong similarity between the properly
    allowed statements to the mother and Galete and the improperly
    admitted statements to Grote and Yates, but in an odd non sequitur
    concludes that the similarity renders the statements noncumulative.
    See slip op. at 47. It claims that a new trial is warranted because the
    similarity of the statements served to strongly reinforce their
    believability. Slip op. at 51.
    The plurality’s conclusion is peculiar because it completely
    ignores that the believability of the child’s statement to her mother
    was strongly reinforced by other competent testimony and evidence
    presented in the case. The plurality seems to be creating a new
    harmless error standard that holds that if some compelling additional
    evidence of defendant’s guilt is thrown out, a defendant is entitled to
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    have his conviction reversed even if the remaining evidence is
    overwhelming and the discarded evidence is cumulative. This, of
    course, is not and should not be the law.
    Turning to the other compelling and properly admitted evidence
    in the case in addition to the child’s statement to the mother, I note
    that defendant himself presented the testimony of Brenda Galete, the
    child’s babysitter during the relevant period. Her testimony
    corroborated the testimony of the mother, and certainly reinforced the
    believability of the child’s statements. On cross-examination, Galete
    testified that on January 13, 1999, she had a conversation with the
    child in which the child told her that “Bob” had “pushed her head
    down on his penis and made her lick stuff from his penis and that it
    was sour and bitter.” The child did not like the taste of it so she
    washed her mouth out. The child also said that she was afraid and
    repeatedly said that she did not want to do it. Galete then relayed all
    this information to police investigator Radz. Galete further testified
    that the child did not specify which “Bob” had abused her. Finally,
    Galete noted that two years had now passed since her conversation
    with the child and with investigator Radz, and Galete could not now
    remember whether she had told the investigator whether or not the
    “Bob” the child referred to was the mother’s boyfriend. Radz,
    however, testified that Galete had told him that the “Bob” the child
    referred to was the mother’s boyfriend. It was undisputed that
    defendant was the mother’s boyfriend at the relevant time.
    The plurality acknowledges that the child’s description of the
    crime to babysitter Galete was very similar to what the child told her
    mother, which was also very similar to the details confessed to by
    defendant. But the plurality ignores this great similarity by venturing
    off to remark that there was “a reason that Galete was a witness for
    the defense, rather than for the prosecution.” Slip op. at 48. I agree
    that there was a reason Galete was called as a witness for the defense.
    But that reason is not the one the plurality implies. Galete was called
    by the defense because she was unsure whether the child’s reference
    to “Bob” as her abuser referred to defendant. Even though Galete’s
    testimony favored the prosecution in light of the whole record,
    defendant took the chance of calling her in hopes of supporting his
    incredible trial testimony that he only confessed to the crime in
    accurate detail because he thought the police would discover the real
    truth later. Defendant’s detailed confession to the serious and
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    embarrassing conduct involved here is enough to dispel all doubts
    that defendant was the “Bob” the child identified.
    The plurality adopts defendant’s argument that there was some
    confusion over whether defendant was the “Bob” referred to in the
    child’s statements. But I believe that defendant’s written confession
    to police, which was properly admitted, dispels beyond a reasonable
    doubt any possible confusion about whether defendant was the
    perpetrator of the crime. Before making oral and written confessions
    to the police that acknowledged sexual contact with the child,
    defendant was informed of his Miranda rights several times, which
    included the following warning: “What you say can and will be used
    against you in a court of law.” See Miranda v. Arizona, 
    384 U.S. 436
    ,
    469, 
    16 L. Ed. 2d 694
    , 720-21, 
    86 S. Ct. 1602
    , 1625 (1966) (the right
    to remain silent must be accompanied by the explanation that
    “anything said can and will be used against the individual in court”).
    Defendant testified that he understood the rights explained to him and
    that he voluntarily gave his written confession. This is not a case
    where defendant challenged his confession as involuntary. Before
    giving his written confession, defendant broke down and wept and
    acknowledged that he sexually assaulted the child. Defendant’s
    written statement then recounted an incident of oral sex with the
    child, but outrageously claimed that it was instigated by the child
    after they awoke from a nap. He admitted, however, that he told the
    child that she could lick his penis. Defendant further claimed that he
    told the child to get defendant’s penis out of her mouth when he
    realized that it was the child and not her mother. He then took the
    child to the washroom and made her use mouthwash to get “the stuff”
    out of her mouth.
    By the time of trial, defendant changed his story to deny any
    sexual contact and claimed that he only confessed because he was
    tired, wanted to go home, and figured the police would discover the
    real truth later. This trial testimony, however, was impeached by a
    sworn statement defendant made in court on February 1, 2000, in
    which he stated that everything in his written confession to police was
    true and that that was why he signed it. Defendant’s new story at trial
    was also of course impeached by defendant’s knowledge at the time
    he made his confession that anything he said to police would be used
    against him in court. Given the testimony of the mother, babysitter
    Galete and the defendant’s own confession, I see no basis for the
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    plurality’s failure to conclude that the error in the admission of the
    statements to Grote and Yates was anything other than harmless
    beyond a reasonable doubt.
    The plurality attempts to cast doubt on defendant’s detailed
    confession (and also apparently defendant’s later swearing in open
    court that his confession was true) by citing defense counsel’s
    comment that defendant suffered from a “mental disability” and
    therefore could not understand his Miranda rights. See slip op. at 50.
    There are three problems with this point. First, it is beyond dispute
    that arguments of counsel are not evidence and should not be
    considered as such. Second, the plurality’s argument does nothing to
    explain why defendant’s ratification of his confession in open court
    was not legitimate. And third, the evidence at trial did not support
    defense counsel’s argument that defendant could not understand his
    Miranda rights because of cognitive difficulties.
    Defendant himself admitted he could read. Defendant’s own
    expert testified that defendant had average grades in school, and
    while an adult took truck-driving classes, graduating with excellent
    grades. There were two court-appointed experts, and they both
    testified on behalf of the State that defendant had the ability to
    understand and waive Miranda rights. One of the experts
    administered an IQ test where defendant scored only slightly below
    average and nothing indicated that defendant’s written or verbal skills
    were impaired. Moreover, one of the court-appointed experts also
    testified that defendant’s confession in blaming the victim and
    presenting a fantastic explanation was classic pedophile behavior.
    Even though the excluded evidence was merely cumulative of the
    properly admitted evidence and the properly admitted evidence was
    overwhelming, the plurality flails at the air to come up with some
    reason why the improper evidence should not be considered
    cumulative and why the proper evidence should not be considered
    overwhelming. It points to the fact that some of the improper
    evidence included demonstrations with dolls and that one of the
    victim’s recollections was in response to the question, “Can you tell
    me about Robert Stechly?” But even if this evidence could be viewed
    as adding additional strength to the State’s case, it does not mean that
    this court should deem it as “contributing to the finding” for purposes
    of a harmless error analysis. Under the plurality’s approach, a new
    trial would be warranted whenever evidence that is additionally
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    damaging to the defense is excluded no matter the overwhelming
    nature of the remaining evidence.
    Finally, the plurality attempts to justify its reversal based on the
    circumstance that the first trial in this case ended in a mistrial.
    However, the second trial was conducted by way of a stipulated bench
    trial, and there is no indication at all that the trial court had any
    trouble concluding that defendant was guilty beyond a reasonable
    doubt. Furthermore, as our recent decision in People v. Nitz, 
    219 Ill. 2d
    400, 413-14 (2006), makes clear, in deciding questions of plain or
    harmless error, we do not look to the actual jurors and their subjective
    mind-sets, but rather we are to look objectively at what a rational trier
    of fact would do when confronted with the properly admitted
    evidence. Thus, the fact that a mistrial was declared because some
    other jury or fact finder in a different proceeding could not agree on
    a verdict is completely irrelevant to our harmless error analysis. The
    plurality’s consideration of the subjective mind-set of a previous trier
    of fact amounts to an abandonment of its responsibility to look at the
    evidence objectively.
    While a reviewing court in making its harmless error
    determination should not become a “second jury” to determine
    whether a defendant is “guilty,” a court should ask in a typical
    appellate-court fashion, “whether the record contains evidence that
    could rationally lead to a contrary finding.” Neder v. United States,
    
    527 U.S. 1
    , 19, 
    144 L. Ed. 2d 35
    , 53, 
    119 S. Ct. 1827
    , 1839 (1999).
    An otherwise valid conviction should not be set aside if the reviewing
    court may confidently say, on the whole record, that the constitutional
    error was harmless beyond a reasonable doubt. Delaware v. Van
    Arsdall, 
    475 U.S. 673
    , 681, 
    89 L. Ed. 2d 674
    , 684, 
    106 S. Ct. 1431
    ,
    1436 (1986). Given the two properly admitted, almost identical
    statements of the child, along with defendant’s detailed confession
    and his admission in open court that the confession was true, added
    with defendant’s improbable explanation for having confessed to a
    serious–and certainly embarrassing–felony offense, I believe that the
    error was harmless.
    Because the properly admitted evidence was overwhelming, it is
    not significant that the trial court considered the cumulative
    statements to Grote and Yates as competent evidence. The child’s
    properly admitted statements to her mother and Galete, along with
    defendant’s confession, cleared up any doubt that he committed the
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    crime. Thus, I fail to see why the admission of the statements to Grote
    and Yates should not be deemed harmless error under an objective
    analysis of the properly admitted evidence.
    JUSTICE KARMEIER joins in this dissent.
    JUSTICE GARMAN, also dissenting:
    I join in Chief Justice Thomas’ dissent with respect to his
    harmless error analysis. I do not, however, join in his analysis of the
    forfeiture-by-wrongdoing issue. In my view, the admissible evidence
    was sufficient to support defendant’s convictions. Accordingly, it is
    unnecessary to address any of the other issues raised in this appeal.
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