River City Fraternal Order of Police Lodge No. 614, Inc. v. louisville/jefferson County Metro Government ( 2021 )


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  •                    RENDERED: APRIL 9, 2021; 10:00 A.M.
    TO BE PUBLISHED
    Commonwealth of Kentucky
    Court of Appeals
    NO. 2020-CA-0266-MR
    RIVER CITY FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE
    LODGE NO. 614, INC.                                              APPELLANT
    APPEAL FROM JEFFERSON CIRCUIT COURT
    v.              HONORABLE BRIAN C. EDWARDS, JUDGE
    ACTION NO. 18-CI-006171
    LOUISVILLE/JEFFERSON COUNTY METRO
    GOVERNMENT; and KENTUCKY LABOR
    CABINET                                                           APPELLEES
    OPINION
    AFFIRMING
    ** ** ** ** **
    BEFORE: CALDWELL, KRAMER, AND MAZE, JUDGES.
    KRAMER, JUDGE: The overarching question presented in this appeal is whether
    the appellee, Louisville/Jefferson County Metro Government, by and through its
    police department (“LMPD”), committed an unfair labor practice by requiring one
    of its employees, Sgt. David Mutchler, who was a member and – at the time of
    these events – President of appellant River City Fraternal Order of Police, Lodge
    No. 614, Inc. (“FOP”) to submit to an investigative interview from LMPD’s
    Professional Standards Unit (“PSU”). This question was adjudicated by the
    Kentucky Labor Cabinet (“Cabinet”) and reviewed by the Jefferson Circuit Court;
    and both tribunals answered in the negative. Upon review, we affirm.
    We begin with a discussion of the relatively brief interview itself,
    which occurred on August 2, 2017, and concerned a disciplinary matter. Mutchler,
    testifying not as a party but as a witness, did so in relevant part as follows:
    Q: August 2. All righty. And it is 10:47. Okay.
    Sergeant Mutchler, thanks for having me over. Ah, as
    you are aware the Chief initiated an investigation into
    Lieutenant Donny George as filing of a hostile working
    environment. This investigation is to determine whether
    these documents that were submitted were deceptive in
    nature, okay? Ah, during the course of the investigation,
    there was a memo that turned up by Sergeant Armand
    [sic] White and that, ah, he indicated that he did not
    authorize the filing of this hostile working environment
    by Lieutenant Donny George. In his memo he indicated
    that he spoke with you as the FOP President regarding
    this situation. Ah, do you recall having a conversation
    with Sergeant White, ah, regarding this incident?
    MUTCHLER: Um, yes. Ah, and I do need to say that,
    um, I am obviously complying with the department and
    the Chief’s orders to provide this statement. Um, and
    I’m, I will obviously do that. Ah, but I do wanna note
    that, ah, the statement is under protest as we believe, ah,
    the lodge believes that, ah, request for representation and
    conversations with the collective bargaining
    representative, ah, are somewhat privileged. But yes, I
    do recall a conversation with, ah, with Sergeant White.
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    Q: Okay. In his memo, ah, and just let the record show
    I’m looking at the, the memo right now. In his memo he
    states that, um, they spoke to you by phone and he stated
    that, that Sergeant Mutchler, he said, did say that, “He
    thought if I had a problem I would’ve come to him
    directly.” Let, let me ask you this. At any time during
    your conversation with Sergeant White, did he indicate
    that he did not authorize the filing of this hostile working
    environment or did he indicate that this was filed without
    his permission?
    MUTCHLER: I do not recall that we actually spoke
    about the hostile work environment filing I guess is, is
    the proper word. Um, I spoke with him, ah, and I did
    mention to him that normally, ah, officers would reach
    out on their own if they had some sort of issue. Um, but
    it’s not, I mean, it’s happened before where officers have
    called or COs have called on other officers, on another
    officer’s behalf. Um, ah, what I recollect from the
    conversation is generally that, um, he just wanted to be in
    a situation where he knew who was going to be giving
    him his orders and his job tasks so he could follow that,
    ah, and that he did, you know, was, didn’t want to be
    involved in conflicts with those above his rank.
    Q: Mm-hm.
    MUTCHLER: Um, he just wanted to do his job,
    basically. Um, I don’t recall if, I don’t recall the
    chronology as far as, I don’t remember when I was
    informed that there even was a filing of a, of a hostile
    work environment. I just knew that I had spoken with
    Sergeant White, and previously [sic] speaking to him I
    had spoken with Lieutenant George but I, I don’t
    remember, I don’t recall that we did that, if that was
    discussed or not and I am definitely not saying that that
    didn’t come up.
    Q: Mm-hm.
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    MUTCHLER: But I don’t recall in the conversation if he
    mentioned the hostile working environment or, or even
    mentioned that he didn’t want it to be filed. I don’t,
    unfortunately I talk to hundreds of people and I just don’t
    recall whether that even came up.
    Q: Okay.
    MUTCHLER: Um, but it’s very possible that it did.
    Q: Mm-hm.
    MUTCHLER: I have to say that. I just, I simply don’t
    recall.
    Q: Okay. Ah, that’s all I have for you. Thank you so
    much for letting me come down and I will conclude this
    interview at 1052 hours.
    In short, PSU asked Mutchler three questions: (1) Did he recall
    having a conversation with Sgt. Armin White? (2) If so, was the conversation
    about a “hostile working environment” complaint that Lt. Donny George filed on
    his behalf? And if so, (3) had Sgt. White stated whether he had authorized George
    to file it on his behalf? Essentially, Mutchler’s answers to those three questions
    were: (1) yes; (2) I can’t remember; and (3) I can’t remember.
    As the substance of what is set forth above tends to indicate, Mutchler
    was interviewed as part of a PSU investigation relating to a “hostile working
    environment” complaint that Lt. George – an LMPD officer and one of Sgt.
    White’s supervisors – submitted to his superiors, purportedly on Sgt. White’s
    behalf in January 2017. During PSU’s investigation of the complaint, however,
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    Sgt. White denied making the complaint or authorizing Lt. George to file any
    complaint on his behalf. Consequently, PSU focused its investigation upon
    whether Lt. George had filed a false report.
    As the substance of the August 2, 2017 interview further indicates,
    PSU investigators only sought to interview Mutchler for a limited reason.
    Specifically, Sgt. White stated to PSU investigators that he had had a brief
    telephone conversation with Mutchler relating to this matter at some point after
    January 2017, but that he did not recall saying anything to Mutchler during their
    conversation about a purported hostile work environment or about any complaint
    to that effect. By interviewing Mutchler, PSU wished to corroborate Sgt. White’s
    statement.
    As indicated at the onset of this opinion, however, whether Lt. George
    did or did not file a false report is irrelevant. Rather, the present appeal is
    exclusively concerned with what Mutchler stated at the onset of his PSU interview:
    I do wanna note that, ah, the statement is under protest as
    we believe, ah, the [FOP] believes that, ah, request for
    representation and conversations with the collective
    bargaining representative, ah, are somewhat privileged.
    In other words, Mutchler (and the FOP) believed that the LMPD acted
    improperly at the August 2, 2017 interview because it had required him to divulge
    privileged information, i.e., information protected by a “union business” privilege.
    Moreover, on June 26, 2017 – in anticipation of that interview, and with a full
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    knowledge of its scope – the FOP filed a “charge of unfair labor practice” with the
    Kentucky Labor Cabinet. There, the FOP set forth its position, stating in relevant
    part:
    [A]n effort to interrogate the Lodge President regarding
    actions in his role representative of officers in
    disciplinary matters, constituted unlawful coercion
    pursuant to provisions of KRS[1] 67C.400, et seq. (the
    Kentucky statutes establishing collective bargaining
    between FOP 614 and Louisville Metro), including
    specifically KRS 67C.406(1)(a) and KRS 67C.402(1),
    which provisions are based on analog provisions of the
    National Labor Relations Act.
    ...
    Louisville Metro’s actions as described above constitute
    unlawful coercion as prohibited by and made an unfair
    labor practice in KRS 67C.400 et seq.
    As an aside, the bulk of the FOP’s arguments before this Court and
    below have primarily focused upon the following two propositions: (1) Based
    upon “provisions of the National Labor Relations Act,” a “union business”
    privilege has been recognized in jurisdictions outside of Kentucky; and (2) because
    KRS 67C.406(1)(a) and KRS 67C.402(1) share similarities with those “provisions”
    of the National Labor Relations Act, a “union business” privilege should now be
    recognized in Kentucky.
    1
    Kentucky Revised Statute.
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    Regarding what the “union business privilege” is and why it applied
    here, however, the FOP has never provided any substantive analysis. Instead, and
    from all appearances of its various pleadings below and brief before this Court, the
    FOP has simply adopted Mutchler’s lay understanding of what it is and why it
    applied. As illustrated by his October 5, 2017 testimony before the Cabinet
    regarding the FOP’s charge of “unfair labor practice” against LMPD, Mutchler
    described his understanding of this “privilege” in relevant part as follows:
    MUTCHLER: I think that discussions that I have with
    members as the FOP president as their elected
    representative, I think a large majority, if not all of those
    are privileged.
    Q: All of them? You think all of them are?
    MUTCHLER: I said all or a large majority.
    Q: No matter what the circumstances leading to that
    conversation are?
    MUTCHLER: No. Obviously I may even seek legal
    assistance regarding that. If a member called me up and
    said they just killed their wife, I don’t think that’s
    privileged. So I think it would depend on the
    circumstance. But if it involved administrative issues
    where they’re speaking to me whether officially or
    peripherally about representation, I do believe that that
    should be privileged.
    Q: Do you think that’s true whether that person is the
    subject of an investigation or not?
    MUTCHLER: I think that when they’re contacting me
    because they may be or may soon be the subject of an
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    investigation and they want representation and they need
    to give me a general idea of what’s going on so I can
    direct them to the appropriate representation, I think that
    should be privileged. I think once that occurs, and they
    found the representation they need, and then they’re told,
    hey, you are officially told you’re under investigation and
    don’t discuss this, I think that my role is, for the most
    part over in that circumstance until of course, you know,
    it comes up again. For instance, if an officer is
    disciplined and they appeal that discipline obviously I
    assist in representing them at the merit board. Or if
    anything else occurs that they need representation for
    peripherally, I would be, but I don’t, there’s no need for
    me to know details, extreme details of something. I don’t
    ask for that and I’m usually not given that. I just need to
    know how I need to get them the representation. I think
    that part should be privileged, yes.
    Q: So I think your position is, with limited exceptions,
    the conversations you’re having with membership in your
    capacity as FOP president should be subject to a
    blanket-type of privilege; is that right?
    MUTCHLER: I think so, yes.
    ...
    Q: Do you agree that Sergeant White/Lieutenant White
    was in a position to waive any conversations he may
    have had with you, any privilege that may have applied?
    MUTCHLER: Well, first I became aware of the waiver
    via Lodge counsel, Mr. Leightty and no, I don’t believe
    that regardless what personally Sergeant White or
    Lieutenant White may feel, I don’t believe he has the
    authority to waive for the Lodge.
    Q: Who do you think has the authority to waive any,
    let’s just say the privilege of the Lodge while we’re all
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    sitting here today? Who do you think has the authority to
    waive it?
    MUTCHLER: I don’t think it should be waived at all.
    Q: Ever, by anyone?
    MUTCHLER: I can’t sit here and think of every
    circumstance that could potentially happen that none of
    us may accept, but I mean, for the most part I think it’s a
    privilege that shouldn’t be waived. Obviously I made a
    comment earlier, you know, I mean, if somebody comes
    to me and tells me that they’ve committed crimes
    obviously there’s potential it should be waived. I would
    obviously contact Lodge counsel about that. On
    administrative matters I believe that I’m the elected
    representative for them, and that they should be able to
    have candid conversations with me and that I should not
    be able to waive for them and they should not be able to
    waive for the Lodge.
    (Emphasis added.)
    As emphasized, Mutchler understood a “union business privilege”
    blanketly applied to (and thus, in a disciplinary context, exempted him from
    testifying about) discussions he has had with union membership while functioning
    in his role as a union representative. Mutchler also believed this privilege could
    not be voluntarily waived by any individual union member, defining the only
    “potential” exception to this privilege as, “if somebody comes to me and tells me
    that they’ve committed crimes.”
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    Since Mutchler testified, the FOP has somewhat refined its
    understanding of this “privilege.” In its brief before this Court, the FOP
    summarizes it as follows:
    Appellant submits that because a labor organization
    cannot fulfill its statutory duty to represent members
    regarding “conditions of employment”—which include
    matters of discipline [FN]—and any of its agents who are
    employees of LMPD (as FOP president Mutchler was)
    would be forced to warn any represented employee
    seeking assistance regarding a disciplinary [sic] against
    disclosing the facts of the situation because, in effect, I
    can be compelled by LMPD to divulge what you disclose
    to me there must be protection against coerced
    disclosures of the agent’s communications with
    employees in the course of disciplinary matters.
    [FN] See, e.g., Nat’l Licorice Co. v. NLRB,
    
    309 U.S. 350
    (1940), affirming an NLRB
    order that an employer cease bypassing
    negotiation with the union regarding
    disciplinary discharge.
    The term “privilege” has been applied to this protection
    in many of the cases, and throughout this case. However,
    the protection is so specific and limited that “privilege”
    may be an exaggerated description:
    • The “privilege” applies only in the collective-
    bargaining context, and only when the union agent
    in question is employed by LMPD—non-LMPD
    employees are of course not subject to LMPD
    orders. (As it happens, the current FOP 614
    president, Ryan Nichols, is retired from LMPD
    and thus immune from any coercive power of
    LMPD.)
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    • It applies only to information the union agent has
    gathered in order to assist an officer in “anticipated
    or ongoing disciplinary proceedings.”[FN]
    [FN] See, e.g., Bell v. Village of
    Streamwood, 
    806 F. Supp. 2d 1052
    , 1056
    (N.D. Ill. 2011), discussed infra.
    • The “privilege” has no application to court
    proceedings, or administrative proceedings other
    than the disciplinary proceeding for which the
    communications were made.
    The main point is that this limited privilege is necessary
    for the purposes of the applicable collective bargaining
    statutes to be effected, and therefore the Legislature must
    be deemed to have intended it.
    With that said, perhaps the best clue to what the “union business
    privilege” actually is, and why no such privilege could have applied here, is found
    in the second footnote of the FOP’s own argument, i.e., its citation to Bell v.
    Village of Streamwood, 
    806 F. Supp. 2d 1052
    (N.D. Ill. 2011). There, the “union
    business privilege” was defined as follows:
    Union representatives . . . may have various duties,
    including representing union members in disciplinary
    proceedings and internal investigations. In the course of
    representing a union member accused of some
    wrongdoing, a union representative may receive
    confidential information. This role is not unlike that of
    an attorney. As with the attorney-client privilege, there is
    a strong interest in encouraging an employee accused of
    wrongdoing to communicate fully and frankly with his
    union representative, in order to receive accurate advice
    about the disciplinary process. See U.S. Dept. of Justice
    v. Fed. Labor Relations Auth., 
    39 F.3d 361
    , 368-69 (D.C.
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    Cir. 1994) (recognizing an employee-union
    representative privilege in the context of labor law). The
    Court therefore holds that an employee-union
    representative privilege will extend to communications
    made (1) in confidence; (2) in connection with
    “representative” services relating to anticipated or
    ongoing disciplinary proceedings; (3) between an
    employee and his union representative; (4) where the
    union representative is acting in his or her official
    representative capacity. Cf. United States v. BDO
    Seidman, LLP, 
    492 F.3d 806
    , 815 (7th Cir. 2007)
    (defining attorney-client privilege). Like the attorney-
    client privilege, the employee-union representative
    privilege is limited in that it extends only to
    communications, not to the underlying facts. Discussing
    a relevant fact with a union representative will not shield
    it from discovery. See Upjohn Co. v. United States, 
    449 U.S. 383
    , 395, 
    101 S. Ct. 677
    , 
    66 L. Ed. 2d 584
    (1981)
    (holding the attorney-client privilege protects the
    disclosure of communications but does not protect the
    client from disclosing the underlying facts.)
    The expectation of confidentiality is critical to the
    employee-union representative privilege. Without
    confidentiality, union members would be hesitant to be
    fully forthcoming with their representatives,
    detrimentally impacting a union representative’s ability
    to advise and represent union members with questions or
    problems. Absent an expectation of confidentiality, there
    is little need to protect the communications.
    Id. at 1056-57
    (emphasis added).
    Thus, contrary to Mutchler’s understanding (which the FOP has
    always adopted in this matter), the “union business privilege,” where it has been
    recognized, is not a “blanket-type of privilege” that applies to every conversation
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    that a union representative has with a union member. Rather, where it has been
    recognized, it has been deemed comparable to the “attorney-client” privilege.
    And, in the words of another Court that discussed more of the legal
    underpinnings of this “privilege”:
    [It] appears to originate from a decision by the Federal
    Labor Relations Authority (“FLRA”) in U.S. Department
    of the Treasury Customs Service Washington, D.C.
    (Respondent) & Nat’l Treasury Employees Union
    (Charging Party), 38 F.L.R.A. 1300 (Jan. 8, 1990). In
    that case, the privilege was recognized for the benefit of
    the employee: “that the employee be free to make full
    and frank disclosure to his or her representative in order
    that the employee have adequate advice and a proper
    defense.”
    Id. at 1308
    (emphasis added). In the few cases
    that have recognized this privilege, the privilege has been
    asserted for the benefit of protecting employee
    disclosures, not those of the union representative. See
    U.S. Dep’t of Justice v. Fed. Labor Relations Auth., 
    39 F.3d 361
    , 368-69 (D.C. Cir. 1994); Bell v. Vill. of
    Streamwood, 
    806 F. Supp. 2d 1052
    , 1058 (N.D. Ill.
    2011); Long Beach Naval Shipyard Long Beach,
    California (Respondent) & Fed. Emps. Metal Trades
    Coun-cil AFL-CIO (Charging Party/union), 44 F.L.R.A.
    1021, 1038 (Apr. 29, 1992). The union representative-
    bargaining unit member privilege is analogous to the
    attorney-client privilege, whose purpose is also to [sic]
    “to encourage full and frank communication between
    attorneys and their clients.” Upjohn Co. v. United States,
    
    449 U.S. 383
    , 389, 
    101 S. Ct. 677
    , 
    66 L. Ed. 2d 584
                (1981). And just as the attorney-client privilege “is that
    of the client, not that of the attorney,” Am. Standard Inc.
    v. Pfizer Inc., 
    828 F.2d 734
    , 745 (Fed. Cir. 1987), if there
    is a union representative-bargaining unit member
    privilege, it belongs to the employee and not the union
    representative.
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    Martin v. Department of Homeland Security, 810 F. App’x 867, 871 (Fed. Cir.
    2020) (some emphasis added).
    In short, it is unsurprising that the FOP’s understanding of whom the
    “union business privilege” belongs to derives from the testimony of Mutchler – a
    lay witness – rather than any form of legal authority. The “union business
    privilege,” in the limited cases where it has been recognized, does not belong to the
    union or its representative. Just as the attorney-client privilege belongs to the
    client, the union business privilege belongs to the employee.
    Id. Recall, when Mutchler
    testified during the administrative proceedings
    before the Cabinet, he was asked about and acknowledged that there had been a
    “waiver” from Sgt. White of “any privilege” that might have applied to any
    conversation they may have had relative to this matter. Specifically, on June 23,
    2017, Sgt. White executed a written waiver stating:
    This letter is to notify the Professional Standards Unit
    that I Sergeant Armin White waive any client privilege
    that may or may not exist regarding my conversations
    with the FOP Lodge 614 regarding Professional
    Standards Unit case 17-034.
    I consent to the Professional Standards Unit investigators
    speaking to FOP Lodge 614 regarding my conversations
    with FOP President Sgt. David Mutchler.
    To be clear, Mutchler and the FOP have never disputed that Sgt.
    White’s waiver, set forth above, was knowing, voluntary, and intentional. See
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    Mullins v. Picklesimer, 
    317 S.W.3d 569
    , 578 (Ky. 2010) (discussing elements of
    waiver). Indeed, Sgt. White testified during the administrative proceedings before
    the Cabinet that it was knowing, voluntary, and intentional; and, the FOP did not
    question his testimony at all. Instead, the FOP’s argument has always been one of
    authority, i.e., that the “union business privilege” belonged to the FOP, not Sgt.
    White.
    In its own review of this matter, the Cabinet determined in its
    dispositive order that LMPD did not commit an unfair labor practice by requiring
    Mutchler to submit to the PSU interview because: (1) “there is no indication that
    Sgt. Mutchler was asked to divulge any information that may have been considered
    confidential”; and, in any event, because (2) there is no established union business
    privilege in Kentucky. The Jefferson Circuit Court made the same determinations.
    Now on appeal, as noted, the FOP once again directs most of its
    arguments toward the proposition that we should recognize a union business
    privilege in Kentucky. While that is an interesting question, we cannot answer it
    on the case before us because even if such a privilege could be recognized (which
    we have strong reservations about), it belonged to Sgt. White. And, he did not
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    deem his conversation with Mutchler confidential and waived any privilege in
    writing.2
    It is enough to say, however, that while opinions differ on this subject
    across many jurisdictions,3 the Kentucky Supreme Court has promulgated no rule
    recognizing such a privilege; nothing in KRS Chapter 67C explicitly recognizes
    any such privilege; and, simply inferring a privilege from a statute is, as our
    caselaw amply demonstrates, a strongly disfavored practice. See Kentucky Rule of
    Evidence (KRE) 501 (providing that privileges can be granted by the Constitution,
    rules promulgated by the Kentucky Supreme Court, or by statute); see also Collins
    v. Braden, 
    384 S.W.3d 154
    , 159 (Ky. 2012) (explaining “the almost universally
    accepted rule that testimonial privileges are generally disfavored and should be
    strictly construed.” (citation omitted)). If the FOP wishes to pursue the recognition
    and protection of the privilege, that is more appropriately the prerogative of the
    legislative branch or the Kentucky Supreme Court. Hence, given this and in light
    of Sgt. White’s wavier, any further discussion of case law from other jurisdictions
    as cited by the FOP is a futile endeavor.
    2
    The FOP also asks this Court to consider whether the privilege might have applied, had LMPD
    questioned Mutchler about any conversations Mutchler may have had with Lt. George –
    someone who did not execute a waiver of any kind of privilege. We decline to do so because it
    is not our prerogative to render advisory opinions. See Bingham Greenebaum Doll, LLP v.
    Lawrence, 
    567 S.W.3d 127
    , 129-30 (Ky. 2018).
    3
    See, e.g., Michael D. Moberly, Extending a Qualified Evidentiary Privilege to Confidential
    Communications Between Employees and Their Union Representatives, 5 NEV. L.J. 508 (2004).
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    In sum, a reviewing court may only overturn the decision of an
    agency if the agency acted arbitrarily or outside the scope of its authority, if the
    agency applied an incorrect rule of law, or if the decision itself is not supported by
    substantial evidence on the record. Ky. State Racing Comm’n v. Fuller, 
    481 S.W.2d 298
    , 300-07 (Ky. 1972). Here, the FOP’s sole contention is that the
    Cabinet misapplied the law discussed above. We disagree. For the reasons
    discussed above, we therefore AFFIRM.
    MAZE, JUDGE, CONCURS AND FILES SEPARATE OPINION.
    CALDWELL, JUDGE, DISSENTS AND FILES SEPARATE
    OPINION.
    MAZE, JUDGE, CONCURRING: I fully agree with the reasoning
    and the result of the majority opinion. I write separately to emphasize the reasons
    why this is not the case to recognize a union business privilege. First and
    foremost, as the majority opinion aptly states, Sgt. White made a knowing and
    voluntary waiver of any privilege. I agree with the majority that the FOP has no
    standing to assert a privilege.
    Furthermore, our legislature has the exclusive authority to adopt
    privileges on matters outside of courtroom proceedings. Commonwealth, Cabinet
    for Health and Family Servs. v. Chauvin, 
    316 S.W.3d 279
    , 286 (Ky. 2010). When
    courts are called upon to address the issue, the issue is generally whether the
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    General Assembly expressed a clear intent to establish a privilege, either through
    the express language of the statute or by necessary implication. In Chauvin, the
    General Assembly enacted legislation limiting the disclosure of KASPER4
    information.
    Id. Similarly, in Manns
    v. Commonwealth, 
    80 S.W.3d 439
    (Ky.
    2002), the Court discussed a statutory provision restricting disclosure of juvenile
    records. And in Sisters of Charity Health Systems., Inc. v. Raikes, 
    984 S.W.2d 464
    (Ky. 1998), the legislation limited the disclosure of peer-review hospital records in
    medical malpractice suits. In each of these cases, the Court inferred the General
    Assembly’s intent to create a privilege from statutory language excluding certain
    specifically identified records from disclosure.
    Here, the FOP does not cite to any specific statutory language creating
    an exception from disclosure of identified information. Rather, the FOP argues
    that this Court should infer the existence of a privilege as a necessary implication
    of the collective bargaining scheme in KRS Chapter 67C. The FOP points out that
    other jurisdictions have inferred the existence of a union business privilege from
    similar statutory language. The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB)
    recognized the existence of an implied union business privilege under the National
    Labor Relations Act in Cook Paint and Varnish Co., 258 N.L.R.B. No. 166, 
    258 N.L.R.B. 1230
    , 
    1981 WL 21122
    (1981). However, the NLRB has been delegated
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    broad authority to enforce the Act’s provisions prohibiting employers from
    engaging in any unfair labor practice affecting commerce. May Dep’t Stores Co. v.
    N.L.R.B., 
    326 U.S. 376
    , 390, 
    66 S. Ct. 203
    , 211-12, 
    90 L. Ed. 145
    (1945). The
    FOP does not identify any similar delegation of authority to the Labor Cabinet.
    Nevertheless, the FOP points out that courts in other states have
    adopted similar interpretations of their collective bargaining statutes. But to date,
    only two states, New York and Alaska, have applied the Cook Paint reasoning to
    their statutes. See City of Newburgh v. Newman, 
    421 N.Y.S.2d 673
    , 
    70 A.D.2d 362
    (N.Y. App. Div. 1979), and Peterson v. State, 
    280 P.3d 559
    (Alaska 2012).
    Illinois has expressly adopted a statutory union agent – union member privilege.
    Bell v. Vill. of Streamwood, 
    806 F. Supp. 2d 1052
    (N.D. Ill. 2011) (citing 735 ILL.
    COMP. STAT. ANN. 5/8-803.5). And three other states, California, New Hampshire,
    and Massachusetts, have declined to apply the Cook Paint reasoning to their
    collective bargaining statutes. American Airlines, Inc. v. Superior Court, 114 Cal.
    App. 4th 881, 891, 
    8 Cal. Rptr. 3d 146
    (2003); In re Grand Jury Subpoena, 
    155 N.H. 557
    , 560–561, 563, 
    926 A.2d 280
    , 283 (2007); and Chadwick v. Duxbury
    Pub. Schs., 
    475 Mass. 645
    , 655, 
    59 N.E.3d 1143
    , 1151 (2016).
    Thus, the weight of precedent does not overwhelmingly favor the
    interpretation of KRS Chapter 67C advocated by the FOP. In any event, Kentucky
    law does not favor broad assertions of privilege because they contravene the
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    fundamental principle that the public has a right to every man’s evidence. 
    Raikes, 984 S.W.2d at 468
    . For this reason, our courts generally refrain from recognizing
    privileges merely by implication of statute. See Caldwell v. Chauvin, 
    464 S.W.3d 139
    , 159-60 (Ky. 2015) (holding that the federal Health Insurance Portability and
    Accountability Act (HIPAA) does not create a privilege prohibiting interviews of
    nonexpert treating physicians). I am convinced that this Court is not authorized to
    adopt such a broad reading of the statute. Rather, that prerogative is left to either
    the Kentucky General Assembly or our Supreme Court, not to an intermediate
    appellate court. As a result, even if the proposed privilege had not been clearly
    waived, I would decline to recognize the existence of a union business privilege in
    this case.
    CALDWELL, JUDGE, DISSENTING: I respectfully dissent. In the
    narrow context of determining whether unfair labor practices occurred in the
    course of internal disciplinary proceedings and investigations, Kentucky Revised
    Statutes (KRS) 67C.400 et seq. implicitly creates a limited “privilege” such that
    the FOP representative cannot be compelled to disclose the content of
    communications with union members about internal disciplinary proceedings to the
    employer. Further, while I believe the majority opinion is correct that this limited
    “privilege” would belong to the employee and not the union, the Kentucky Labor
    Cabinet did not make a finding that the employee had validly waived this privilege.
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    Therefore, I would reverse the Jefferson Circuit Court’s judgment and remand with
    directions to vacate the Cabinet’s denial of the unfair labor practice charge and
    remand to the Cabinet to determine if the “privilege” was validly waived.
    Of note, while both parties and the courts have used the term
    “privilege,” and it is not inaccurate, it also imbues a meaning of consequence far
    more reaching than what I perceive is sought. I would express no opinion as to
    whether a union business privilege exists other than as implicitly arising under
    KRS 67C.400 et seq. in the specific context discussed herein. In other words, I
    would not reach whether Kentucky law generally recognizes a union business
    privilege nor whether a union business privilege arises under any other statute,
    regulation, or other legal authority. I would simply recognize that the
    communications between an employee and his union representative regarding
    internal disciplinary proceedings in the specific context here are confidential. And
    I would recognize that it is an unfair labor practice in this context for an employer
    to compel disclosure of those communications under threat of further disciplinary
    actions or other coercive measures. For ease of reference, I will refer to a “union
    business privilege” to signify the protection from disclosure of confidential
    communications between union representatives and members regarding internal
    disciplinary proceedings—again, in the specific context here (i.e., application of
    KRS 67C.400 et seq.).
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    I must disagree with the circuit court’s opinion, and the concurring
    majority opinion, accepting the Cabinet’s argument that it lacked authority to
    recognize a union business privilege because “KRS 67C.402 and KRS 67C.406
    contain no language which would lead to the creation of a union business privilege
    between a union representative and its members.” And while I do not
    fundamentally disagree with the circuit court’s view of the legislature as having
    power to create privileges, I construe the legislature’s adoption of KRS 67C.400, et
    seq. to necessitate by implication the creation of this limited union business
    privilege, particularly in light of authority in existence at the time of its adoption—
    such as Cook Paint and Varnish Co., 258 N.L.R.B. No. 166, 
    258 N.L.R.B. 1230
    (1981). Despite any lack of specific language explicitly recognizing a privilege or
    the confidentiality of certain communications, I believe such a privilege is implied
    reading all words and phrases in the governing statutes in their proper context. In
    short, I disagree with the Cabinet’s conclusion that the existence of this privilege is
    precluded by a lack of explicit language specifically referring to a “privilege” or
    information deemed “confidential.”
    KRS 67C.402(1) states:
    Police officers of a consolidated local government shall
    have, and shall be protected in the exercise of, the right
    of self-organization, to form, join, or assist any labor
    organization, to bargain collectively through
    representatives of their own choosing on questions of
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    wages, hours, and other conditions of employment free
    from interference, restraint, or coercion.
    Our legislature has long called for liberal construction of statutes, “with a view to
    promote their objects and carry out the intent of the legislature . . . .” KRS
    446.080(1) (enacted in 1942). Further, in construing statutes, we must consider all
    words or phrases in a statute and not ignore some words or phrases. Pearce v.
    University of Louisville, by and through its Board of Trustees, 
    448 S.W.3d 746
    ,
    751 (Ky. 2014); Krieger v. Garvin, 
    584 S.W.3d 727
    , 729 (Ky. 2019).
    So, when construing KRS 67C.402(1)’s language “to bargain
    collectively through representatives of their own choosing on questions of wages,
    hours, and other conditions of employment free from interference, restraint, or
    coercion” there is simply no logical way to not include internal disciplinary
    proceedings as an “other condition[] of employment.” (Emphasis added.) In fact,
    when considering “other conditions of employment” outside of those relating to
    wages and hours, it is difficult to think of one more significant than conduct codes
    and rules regarding internal disciplinary measures.
    As FOP points out, many provisions KRS 67C.400 et seq. are nearly
    identical to provisions of the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA).5 Thus, I find
    5
    See KRS 67C.402(1) & (3), providing:
    (1) Police officers of a consolidated local government shall have, and shall be
    protected in the exercise of, the right of self-organization, to form, join, or assist
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    persuasive outside authority construing the NLRA or other similar statutory
    provisions to recognize a limited union business privilege in the context here. See
    Cook Paint and Varnish 
    Co., supra
    ; City of Newburgh v. Newman, 
    421 N.Y.S.2d 673
    , 
    70 A.D.2d 362
    (N.Y. App. Div. 1979).
    While Kentucky courts may not be required to follow Cook Paint or
    federal or other state court cases construing the NLRA or similar statutes to
    determine if a union business privilege exists, we may certainly consider whether
    we find such outside authority persuasive, particularly when there is no Kentucky
    any labor organization, to bargain collectively through representatives of their
    own choosing on questions of wages, hours, and other conditions of employment
    free from interference, restraint, or coercion.
    ...
    (3) Labor organizations recognized by a consolidated local government as the
    exclusive representative or so designated in accordance with the provisions of this
    section shall be responsible for representing the interest of all police officers in
    the unit without discrimination.
    Compare 29 U.S.C. (United States Code) § 157, providing in part: “Employees shall have the
    right to self-organization, to form, join, or assist labor organizations, to bargain collectively
    through representatives of their own choosing, and to engage in other concerted activities for the
    purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection . . .” with KRS 67C.406(1)(a),
    providing: “Except as provided in KRS 336.130(3), consolidated local governments, their
    representatives, or their agents are prohibited from: Interfering, restraining, or coercing police
    officers in the exercise of the rights guaranteed in KRS 67C.402[.]”
    Compare 29 U.S.C. § 158(a)(1), providing: “It shall be an unfair labor practice for an employer-
    - to interfere with, restrain, or coerce employees in the exercise of the rights guaranteed in
    section 157 of this title” with KRS 67C.410(1), providing: “Violations of the provisions of KRS
    67C.406 shall be deemed to be unfair labor practices remedial by the cabinet . . .”
    Cf. 29 U.S.C. § 160(a), providing: “The Board is empowered, as hereinafter provided, to prevent
    any person from engaging in any unfair labor practice (listed in section 158 of this title) affecting
    commerce.”
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    case directly on point. Kentucky’s appellate Courts have often cited federal case
    law construing federal statutes that are similar to Kentucky statues to interpret said
    statutes. This has occurred even when our state statutes make no explicit reference
    to those similar federal statutes. See, e.g., Commonwealth, Dep’t of Agriculture v.
    Vinson, 
    30 S.W.3d 162
    , 169 (Ky. 2000); Kentucky New Era, Inc. v. City of
    Hopkinsville, 
    415 S.W.3d 76
    , 80 n.3 (Ky. 2013).
    Further, I agree with FOP that it makes sense to infer that
    communications between union representatives and union members are
    confidential and prohibited from coerced disclosure, in certain contexts, in order to
    allow union representatives to effectively perform their statutory duties under KRS
    67C.400 et seq. I do not believe Sgt. Mutchler was far off point with his lay
    understanding of what a union business privilege would entail. And, while courts
    interpret statutes, statutes are written by the legislature for all people, not just
    lawyers. It is not unheard of for a common understanding to be the intent of
    legislation.
    It is perhaps best said in Cook Paint:
    [T]he very facts sought were the substance of
    conversations between an employee and his steward, as
    well as the notes kept by the steward, in the course of
    fulfilling his representational functions. Such
    consultation between an employee potentially subject to
    discipline and his union steward constitutes protected
    activity in one of its purest forms. To allow Respondent
    here to compel the disclosure of this type of information
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    under threat of discipline manifestly restrains employees
    in their willingness to candidly discuss matters with their
    chosen, statutory 
    representatives. 258 N.L.R.B. at 1232
    . The Federal Labor Relations Authority6 relied heavily on
    the analysis in Cook Paint to explicitly recognize a “privilege” just like the limited
    union business privilege I urge recognizing here in U.S. Department of the
    Treasury Customs Service Washington, D.C. and National Treasury Employees
    Union, 38 F.L.R.A. 1300, 1308-09 (Jan. 8, 1990).
    Though Louisville/Jefferson County Metro Government (LMG)
    points out that various federal and state courts have determined that no union
    business privilege existed even where federal or state statutes may resemble the
    NLRA, many of these decisions concerned a significantly different context than
    here. Rather than concerning court review of an administrative agency action
    about whether questioning of a union representative amounted to an unfair labor
    practice, often these decisions involved discovery disputes in civil litigation. See
    Degrandis v. Children’s Hospital Boston, 
    203 F. Supp. 3d 193
    (D. Mass. 2016);
    Chadwick v. Duxbury Pub. Schs., 
    475 Mass. 645
    , 
    59 N.E.3d 1143
    (2016). In
    contrast, in the context of determining whether an unfair labor practice resulted
    from compelling disclosure of communications between union representatives and
    6
    The Federal Labor Relations Authority is the independent federal administrative agency that
    administers the labor-management relations program for non-postal federal employees.
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    members about internal disciplinary proceedings, other authorities have recognized
    the limited privilege I urge recognizing here. See Cook Paint; City of Newburgh;
    U.S. Department of 
    Treasury, supra
    .
    As for waiver of any such privilege, LMG correctly argues that
    privileges may be waived. But though LMG points to Sgt. White’s signing a
    document indicating he intended to waive any privilege applicable to him, the
    Cabinet did not make a definitive finding that Sgt. White waived the privilege.
    And FOP has asserted Sgt. White did not even have an opportunity to consult
    counsel before signing the document.
    As FOP argues, the purpose of the privilege is to encourage individual
    union members to make candid disclosures to their union representatives,
    regarding the individual union member as the holder; therefore, it makes sense to
    prohibit disclosure of communications with the representative unless the individual
    member waives the privilege. And FOP has not cited any authority to support its
    argument that the union or union representative is the holder of the privilege.
    Although there is not a plethora of published authority on the
    question, an unpublished federal appellate court decision held that a union
    business-type privilege would be held by the represented employee and not by the
    union representative. See Martin v. Department of Homeland Security, 
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    App’x 867 (Fed. Cir. 2020). On the issue of waiver, I agree with the majority that
    it is the employee, and not the union, that holds the union business privilege.
    However, neither the circuit court’s opinion, nor the majority’s,
    definitively states whether a union business privilege existed. Instead, they
    incorrectly distinguished this case from Cook Paint based on Sgt. White’s not
    being subject to investigation and having waived the privilege—contrary to the
    Cabinet’s findings—to find that any privilege did not apply or was waived.
    The circuit court states on page five of its opinion and order that Sgt.
    White “was not the subject of the PSU investigation.” But the Cabinet’s factual
    findings included a statement that the PSU investigator had testified that “Sgt.
    White had been served a notice by the time of the interview and was therefore
    considered by the PSU to be under investigation.” And the Cabinet further
    explained in a footnote that: “Officers generally receive a ‘48-Hour Notice’ before
    they are questioned if they face the possibility of disciplinary action in relation to
    the subject matter of the questioning.” Sgt. White received such a 48-Hour Notice.
    In short, Sgt. White was the holder of the privilege recognized herein
    pertaining to his communications with his union representative (Sgt. Mutchler)
    about internal disciplinary matters. But the Cabinet made no finding whether he
    validly waived any privilege. As the circuit court functioned as an appellate court
    in reviewing the Cabinet’s decision under KRS 13B.140(1), it should have
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    reviewed only the findings actually made by the Cabinet rather than making its
    own findings on matters not decided by the Cabinet. And this Court similarly
    should not make the initial determination about whether the privilege was waived.
    See Klein v. Flanery, 
    439 S.W.3d 107
    , 122 (Ky. 2014) (“As an appellate court, we
    review judgments; we do not make them.”); Calhoun v. CSX Transp., Inc., 
    331 S.W.3d 236
    , 245 (Ky. 2011) (“In this Commonwealth, it is axiomatic that appellate
    courts are not fact-finders . . . the Court of Appeals exceeded its scope of review
    when it made factual findings regarding the validity of some of Appellants’
    evidence.”).
    Even though Sgt. White initialed a form purporting to waive any
    privilege applying to him, signing a waiver form does not always mean that a
    waiver is valid. See Humphrey v. Commonwealth, 
    153 S.W.3d 854
    , 858 (Ky. App.
    2004) (despite juvenile’s signing form indicating he was waiving his right to a
    preliminary hearing before transfer to circuit court, “based on the record, we are
    not convinced that the waiver was valid.”). FOP suggested to the decision-makers
    below that Sgt. White did not validly waive a privilege as it emphasized he did not
    consult with union representatives or counsel before signing the waiver form. But
    the Cabinet did not determine whether the waiver was valid—a matter which can
    involve questions of fact as well as law. See generally 5 C.J.S. Appeal and Error §
    824 (2021) (waiver of attorney-client privilege generally mixed question of law
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    and fact). Rather than attempt to make our own findings of fact or conclusions of
    law regarding the validity of Sgt. White’s waiver, I believe it is more appropriate
    to remand to the Cabinet to address this matter.
    So, I would recognize a limited union business privilege in this
    specific context, and I would reverse the trial court with directions to vacate the
    denial of the unfair labor practice charge and to remand to the Cabinet for the
    limited purpose of determining whether Sgt. White validly waived this union
    business privilege.
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    BRIEFS AND ORAL ARGUMENT     BRIEF FOR APPELLEE,
    FOR APPELLANT:               LOUISVILLE/JEFFERSON
    COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT:
    David Leightty
    Louisville, Kentucky         Michael J. O’Connell
    Jefferson County Attorney
    J. Daniel Landrum
    Wendy C. Hyland
    Assistant Jefferson County Attorneys
    Louisville, Kentucky
    ORAL ARGUMENT FOR
    APPELLEE,
    LOUISVILLE/JEFFERSON
    COUNTY METRO GOVERNMENT:
    Wendy C. Hyland
    Assistant Jefferson County Attorney
    Louisville, Kentucky
    BRIEF AND ORAL ARGUMENT
    FOR APPELLEE, KENTUCKY
    LABOR CABINET:
    John R. Rogers
    Frankfort, Kentucky
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